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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: December 01, 2021, 10:53:43 PM »
In relation to Tipperary minor hurling squads which has been referenced above

There's about 60 in there at the moment. All doing gym program. Challenge matches started last week.

The selection process is open at all times with players chosen from development squads plus the 4 divisional teams which are in place from u13 up and are treated like individual teams with their own management and training programs

Management are expected to attend as many games as possible including school games with GDAís also offering recommendations

Thereís also a process in place for club coaches to feed player information into a central scouting type system as well.

In relation to S&C thereís is a team of 14 people involved which starts at u13 and goes up to minor with everything linked

Des Ryan from Setanta college is in charge of all this,with input from Damian Young

Setanta College provides all the resources,testing etc for the various teams
Ah a proper hurling development plan. Ye Tipp boys must be good at hurling.
Excuse my sarcasm but some contributers on here can't see the bigger picture not to mention the county board. The way minor and U20 panels have been selected in laois is nothing  short of a disgrace. That plan is everything you want in hurling development albeit catered for a county like Tipp.
Where is that going to leave Laois in 5 to 10 years time against the traditional counties.
The reason given for not doing the Divisional trials at U20 this year is because there wasn't enough time to do it properly and look at everyone. Oh my.
At least the u16s next year's minors seemed to have a good plan in place.
Great Post above  BTW

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: December 01, 2021, 10:28:56 PM »
don't know how to say this any clearer.

There are cherrypicked trials on Friday night. Friday. After Thursday. CherryTrials. Players will play a match that have been cherry picked/invited by the management not the clubs, who know best.. Not like Tipp, not like Kk... I'd write it a few more times for ya but I'm bored now.
Wishing your footballers all the best for Friday. Please say hello I'll be the one with the wig and glasses.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: December 01, 2021, 10:00:45 PM »
I'm delighted your footballers are going in to hurling trials, long may it last. And no it dosent happened every year, hence my negative comments over the last few years especially those farcical minor efforts. It's a place to express opinions all things gaa related. No?
And for the record My dual clubbed friend its invite only.. Confirmation from the horses mouth. I'll look to replace you come years end

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: December 01, 2021, 07:54:31 PM »
...but from what I heard its cherry picked again.

I don't know how to say this any clearer.

There are trials on Friday night. Friday. After Thursday. Trials. Players will play a match and people will watch it. And there will be another one night minimum too.

There is no cherry-picking.
The lads still underage from last year will be part of the panel plus whoever comes through the trials.
Was initially supposed to be Divisionals but couldn't quite get enough. Seems reasonable.

As Home Boys Home said, about 50-60 lads will get a chance between those There from last year and lads trialling.
Jaysus that's not bad. Give the lads a chance. We don't want a close shop approach. 

A lot of your posts are giving out about underage managements. It was minor a couple of years ago and u20s now.
Good man yourself. Your a great man to explain things.
Your eitheir a selector or have a young lad whose a cherry picked player. Fair fucks to you. I ll watch with interest to see if theirs 50 to 60 players trialling next Friday and thereafter for the following 2 weeks.
As regards my comments on previous minor teams. Well that worked out well for the county didn't it.. Great upcoming talent and horrendous results.
And before you accuse me of negatiivity. Try a few of the ideas I suggested going forward and please let the CB know
.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: December 01, 2021, 06:15:45 PM »
The u20 A hurling championship has just concluded and B Championship is still ongoing. These matches would be better than any trials and would surely have been attended by the management. Great win for my own club Abbeyleix in the A by the way.

There are not too many uncovered jewels out there in Laois that have not been in the system at some stage, you might have late developers but if so they will have featured for their clubs in senior intermediate or junior.

Anyway, I heard the management were contacting up to 30 players in addition to those that were involved last year and are still eligible. Whether it's via trials or training or a combination of both I'm not sure, but between the two groups you are going to have 50 or 60 lads under consideration which is a pretty wide net for Laois hurling.
I agree wholeheartedly with your first 2 points (albeit I was at a large amount of U20 games and no sign of manager) but from what I heard its cherry picked again.
.Surely the clubs individually should select who they want and how many they want to go in for trials initially at the start of any inter County panel. No young player should be denied that opportunity. Of course inter County is not for everyone but the clubs themselves are best placed and should be asked for there selection ftrom U20 down. It seems to work OK across the border.
And if that cooperation is there from the start no club has a right to crib later on in the process. It's something I feel strongly that's been holding Laois for many years.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 30, 2021, 07:39:49 PM »
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.

There are trials/divisionals starting Friday night.

I think the Divisional trials were ditched by management in favour of a hand picked 30.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 30, 2021, 05:41:16 PM »
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 25, 2021, 09:56:02 AM »
U15 last night

Laois A beat Wexford by 2 points

Laois B took a bit of trimming from the other Wexford team.

U14

Both laois teams took a hiding from the 2 kilkenny teams in Dunmore on Saturday last while we had another 2 Laois teams playing 2 Wicklow teams at the same time in the Centre of Excellence

Sounds like we have great numbers at that age group. Have we ever had 4 teams at one year before?

its the 4 divisional teams that are being put out and getting game time

at U15 both laois teams took a heavy beating from the 2 Wexford teams in the return games last Saturday

How are the regions picked? Is it geographical or are the players just split into four equal groups.
U14s are split geographically (North, South, East and West) , while u15s are A and B. In addition the u16s are back training with a bang in preparation for next year's minor championship.  Big crowds in attendance too.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 17, 2021, 09:30:43 PM »
Good win for Mountrath over Castlecomer yesterday in the schools hurling.


Portlaoise Cbs beaten by 4 points by Bagnelstown in the Senior Schools C yesterday

Given the population of that school and the number of clubs feeding into the school,itís abysmal to say the least the state that Gaelic games is in there

Across all levels in hurling they are in C and bar senior football where they are in the B,they are in the C at every other grade of football as well.

Compare and contrast with the Girls school on the same campus and what they have achieved across 3/4 codes

That truly is a very sad state of affairs. And it's only going to get worse. With no real plan in place for development of hurling in the town, it will have a huge knock on affect not just in Portlaoise but for any county hurling teams going forward. How has it come to be so bad. Is their anyone in that club willing to address the problems.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 13, 2021, 04:40:08 PM »
U20 Cship starting tomorrow you would be thinking Harps will have too much for Camross and Cbolla will have too much for Ctown.
Huge wins for The harps and castletown in today's U20 quarters. Surely that is a big surprise castletown beating CB. Thought they might get to the final meself

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Laois / Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2021
« on: November 07, 2021, 05:50:23 PM »
Borris/kilcotton must be sick. Great chance entering the last quarter but CB big players really stood up. They'll be the standard bearers for the next couple of years.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 04, 2021, 04:12:47 PM »
Heywood well beaten by Johnstown in first round of senior schools championship today. A strong Heywood team out containing a lot of laois minors over the last 2 years. A bad sign for Laois hurling unfortunately.

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 02, 2021, 07:59:47 PM »

U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels

This is utterly ridiculous.
The hopping from area team to area team is bordering on underhand.
If you arenít good enough , go to the B.
If you donít have the numbers, play a significant number of players up from the grade below.
If this absolutely isnít an option, join with an established partner.
I really think the CB need to tidy this up.

If you want to join up with somebody at a particular grade and it is a geographically sound join up- Fine.

If you donít need to join up at other grades- OK

However if you want to go with Club B at one grade. You absolutely cannot form an alternative arrangement with Club C at another grade.

This would work two ways.
It would certainly put pressure on stronger clubs with enough players of their own.
Happy to facilitate a smaller club at u17 to increase your own chances? Great. But, be aware, if you donít need them at u13 and they need to go elsewhere, you canít have them at u17.

Bed hopping serves nobody, but ultimately reduces our playing pool on an annual basis.


Excellent post

This whole bed hopping is a cancer on hurling development in this county

Itís one thing clubs trying to pull short sighted strokes in the hope of winning cups in marriage of convenience short term amalgamations while killing themselves by whittling down their own player base.

But ultimately the blame lies with the County Board for facilitating this ongoing farce

The likes of the Harps who do their business right were cheated out of a few recent minor titles by this sort of shameful carry on

I totally agree with both above posts.. How the county allow such amalgamations is a total kick in the arse to the games development. Every grade should be properly assessed at the start of the year. Even if they have to facilitate 11 a side championsbips, do it.
Nothing worse than the bed hopping that's been going on the last few years for underage titles

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 02, 2021, 04:55:46 PM »



some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20


Trumera are with RPG at u20 only.
No Trumera players with RPG at u15 or u17 this year.

So what club were Trumera players playing with at u15 and u17 this year then?

I know their u15s definitely played with mountrath. Not sure about the 17s

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: November 01, 2021, 10:02:39 PM »
How can Trumrea go to Cbolla?

They won a minor 3 years ago with mountrath and trumera unbelievably

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