Only one winner here, Harte will be a loss but Tyrone would have to play as badly as Mayo and Galway did against ros before we have any chance in this one.
Have you not heard though? He's getting all his black cards rescinded ;D
Was at the league game at Hyde Park in February. Roscommon were probably the better team that day and will prove quite difficult to overcome again next weekend.
They wont appeal them,they know they will beat ros without him and he will have a clean sheet going forward.
Grudge match of the year? 😂
We haven't a hope it seems.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 06, 2019, 11:55:06 PM
Grudge match of the year? 😂
If only he was still on the board! If anything will bring him out of retirement it's the Tyronies.
Quote from: clarshack on July 06, 2019, 11:32:26 PM
Was at the league game at Hyde Park in February. Roscommon were probably the better team that day and will prove quite difficult to overcome again next weekend.
You are making the critical error of comparing Tyrone in February with Tyrone in July!
I expect plenty of Rossie intinsity the next day
Cunningham takes underperforming teams, adds belief and workrate and
what happens after depends on the players.
https://youtu.be/rb52kJeCzoA
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 06, 2019, 11:33:51 PM
They wont appeal them,they know they will beat ros without him and he will have a clean sheet going forward.
Tyrone to appeal all three Peter Harte black cardsMickey Harte:
'I don't think any of the three he got were anything close to a black card'The sheet will be cleaned on appeal this week, sorry. ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 06, 2019, 11:33:51 PM
They wont appeal them,they know they will beat ros without him and he will have a clean sheet going forward.
Tyrone to appeal all three Peter Harte black cards
Mickey Harte: 'I don't think any of the three he got were anything close to a black card'
The sheet will be cleaned on appeal this week, sorry. ;)
I suppose all we can do is keep saying the rosary so. :(
I expect Harte to play. He is some player. I would question why yesterdays black was not a trip which is a black card. He stuck his foot in front of Cavan players feet and knocked him over. It was needless, awkward, game was well won but still a trip. But I expect GAA will cave.
I'd expect Tyrone to overrun Roscommon at Croke Park but the fact that Roscommon have home advantage should be worth a few points.
We seem to have hit a run of form now so I'd be confident of a win. We beat Roscommon and Cork by 18 and 16 points respectively last year. I think both have improved, Roscommon look to have a much more solid defensive structure this year and Cox has been a great find for them, they also seem more equipped physically.
I think next week could be a real battle but hopefully we'll come out the right side of it.
I'd like to see us go with the same team once again, I think you can see the impact of Meyler since he has came back into the side. He really sets the ball rolling with his movement and work rate, definitely the most underrated player in the squad.
Is McCann injured? No sign of him yesterday. McAliskey also didn't get any minutes yesterday.
Quote from: weareros on July 07, 2019, 04:21:54 PM
I expect Harte to play. He is some player. I would question why yesterdays black was not a trip which is a black card. He stuck his foot in front of Cavan players feet and knocked him over. It was needless, awkward, game was well won but still a trip. But I expect GAA will cave.
If that is a black card then it's really beyond a joke. You could scrutinize every foul where a player's leg clashes with the opponent and say Black Card.
Quote from: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
I'd expect Tyrone to overrun Roscommon at Croke Park but the fact that Roscommon have home advantage should be worth a few points.
We seem to have hit a run of form now so I'd be confident of a win. We beat Roscommon and Cork by 18 and 16 points respectively last year. I think both have improved, Roscommon look to have a much more solid defensive structure this year and Cox has been a great find for them, they also seem more equipped physically.
I think next week could be a real battle but hopefully we'll come out the right side of it.
I'd like to see us go with the same team once again, I think you can see the impact of Meyler since he has came back into the side. He really sets the ball rolling with his movement and work rate, definitely the most underrated player in the squad.
Is McCann injured? No sign of him yesterday. McAliskey also didn't get any minutes yesterday.
Are you one of those that believes in the wide open space of Croke park? The Hyde park pitch is of similar size i understand.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on July 07, 2019, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 07, 2019, 04:21:54 PM
I expect Harte to play. He is some player. I would question why yesterdays black was not a trip which is a black card. He stuck his foot in front of Cavan players feet and knocked him over. It was needless, awkward, game was well won but still a trip. But I expect GAA will cave.
If that is a black card then it's really beyond a joke. You could scrutinize every foul where a player's leg clashes with the opponent and say Black Card.
Yes, there's that (and he didn't 'knock anyone over'), plus the fact that that particular ref let much, much worse go throughout that game.
I wonder how will Tyrone cope with a full size good pitch?
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
I'd expect Tyrone to overrun Roscommon at Croke Park but the fact that Roscommon have home advantage should be worth a few points.
We seem to have hit a run of form now so I'd be confident of a win. We beat Roscommon and Cork by 18 and 16 points respectively last year. I think both have improved, Roscommon look to have a much more solid defensive structure this year and Cox has been a great find for them, they also seem more equipped physically.
I think next week could be a real battle but hopefully we'll come out the right side of it.
I'd like to see us go with the same team once again, I think you can see the impact of Meyler since he has came back into the side. He really sets the ball rolling with his movement and work rate, definitely the most underrated player in the squad.
Is McCann injured? No sign of him yesterday. McAliskey also didn't get any minutes yesterday.
Are you one of those that believes in the wide open space of Croke park? The Hyde park pitch is of similar size i understand.
The pitch at Croke Park might not be bigger but it certainly plays quicker and that is just a fact.
Quote from: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
I'd expect Tyrone to overrun Roscommon at Croke Park but the fact that Roscommon have home advantage should be worth a few points.
We seem to have hit a run of form now so I'd be confident of a win. We beat Roscommon and Cork by 18 and 16 points respectively last year. I think both have improved, Roscommon look to have a much more solid defensive structure this year and Cox has been a great find for them, they also seem more equipped physically.
I think next week could be a real battle but hopefully we'll come out the right side of it.
I'd like to see us go with the same team once again, I think you can see the impact of Meyler since he has came back into the side. He really sets the ball rolling with his movement and work rate, definitely the most underrated player in the squad.
Is McCann injured? No sign of him yesterday. McAliskey also didn't get any minutes yesterday.
Are you one of those that believes in the wide open space of Croke park? The Hyde park pitch is of similar size i understand.
The pitch at Croke Park might not be bigger but it certainly plays quicker and that is just a fact.
Do you have a link for such a fact?
Here is a little info on the new Hyde Park surface.
Quote
The rolls of playing turf are set to be sourced from "county turf" based in Scunthorpe Lincolnshire who are the same specialty turf farm which provides the turf to Croke Park.
It will be harvested, rolled up and transported to Ireland in temperature controlled trucks before being relaid on a prepared surface in Roscommon. At present no Irish company grows the particular blend of grass which Croke park officials, deem suitable for the playing of Gaelic Games.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 08:03:00 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 04:32:13 PM
I'd expect Tyrone to overrun Roscommon at Croke Park but the fact that Roscommon have home advantage should be worth a few points.
We seem to have hit a run of form now so I'd be confident of a win. We beat Roscommon and Cork by 18 and 16 points respectively last year. I think both have improved, Roscommon look to have a much more solid defensive structure this year and Cox has been a great find for them, they also seem more equipped physically.
I think next week could be a real battle but hopefully we'll come out the right side of it.
I'd like to see us go with the same team once again, I think you can see the impact of Meyler since he has came back into the side. He really sets the ball rolling with his movement and work rate, definitely the most underrated player in the squad.
Is McCann injured? No sign of him yesterday. McAliskey also didn't get any minutes yesterday.
Are you one of those that believes in the wide open space of Croke park? The Hyde park pitch is of similar size i understand.
The pitch at Croke Park might not be bigger but it certainly plays quicker and that is just a fact.
Do you have a link for such a fact?
Here is a little info on the new Hyde Park surface.
Quote
The rolls of playing turf are set to be sourced from "county turf" based in Scunthorpe Lincolnshire who are the same specialty turf farm which provides the turf to Croke Park.
It will be harvested, rolled up and transported to Ireland in temperature controlled trucks before being relaid on a prepared surface in Roscommon. At present no Irish company grows the particular blend of grass which Croke park officials, deem suitable for the playing of Gaelic Games.
I've seen it with my eyes and any county player will be the first to tell you that Croke Park plays faster than any other pitch.
Huge game for both teams, the loser is effectively out imo. Dublin will beat both and both should beat cork
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 08:03:00 PM
The rolls of playing turf are set to be sourced from "county turf" based in Scunthorpe Lincolnshire who are the same specialty turf farm which provides the turf to Croke Park.
It will be harvested, rolled up and transported to Ireland in temperature controlled trucks before being relaid on a prepared surface in Roscommon. At present no Irish company grows the particular blend of grass which Croke park officials, deem suitable for the playing of Gaelic Games.
Croke Park now use Dub grass from Naul, as it suited Dublin better.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 07, 2019, 09:04:17 PM
Huge game for both teams, the loser is effectively out imo. Dublin will beat both and both should beat cork
Tyrone could beat Dublin in Omagh especially if Dublin are already into the semi final by round 3 and rest players.
Out of the three black cards yesterday's was the most deserved, imo. He was really silly going into the tackle like that at that stage of the game. However, the Sunday game showed the one v Longford today and that was never a black card. I'll say he'll be playing this Saturday.
He'll be playing and our boys expect he will be too.
What are Roscommon going to do? Play on Tyrone's terms like Kildare and Cavan or come up with something different. Those 2 teams had no idea how to cope with the defensive shield or try and pull Tyrone out of position. I expect that Cunningham will not be so stupid though it is still Roscommon and they had no idea at this stage last year!
Hard to see anything other than a Tyrone win but by a much narrower margin than last year. Rossies with home advantage and I think they look a better side this year anyway should close the gap
Fourth match in a row for Tyrone at 5pm Saturday.
Looks like we should give a wall over in this one ::)
"It's still Roscommon"!!!!
What a comment.
We were winning All Irelands while them yokes were still living in caves >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2019, 11:58:38 AM
Looks like we should give a wall over in this one ::)
"It's still Roscommon"!!!!
What a comment.
We were winning All Irelands while them yokes were still living in caves >:(
Ah well, you should win no bother then.
1951 is a long time ago.
2018 record Roscommon 0-13 Donegal 0-20 Roscommon 2-16 Dublin 4-24 Roscommon 2-12 Tyrone 4-24........throw in Meath and Cork too and call it the Super 5's.
Quote from: The Trap on July 08, 2019, 02:11:17 PM
1951 is a long time ago.
1951 is Mayo you are thinking of. We are actually worse!
Quote from: The Trap on July 08, 2019, 02:11:17 PM
1951 is a long time ago.
2018 record Roscommon 0-13 Donegal 0-20 Roscommon 2-16 Dublin 4-24 Roscommon 2-12 Tyrone 4-24........throw in Meath and Cork too and call it the Super 5's.
A year can be a long time in football also.
2018 Donegal 1-13 Tyrone 2-17. 2019 Donegal 1-16 Tyrone 0-15
2018 Galway 0-16 Roscomon 2-6 2019 Galway 0-12 Roscommon 1-13
Quote from: Rossfan on July 08, 2019, 11:58:38 AM
Looks like we should give a wall over in this one ::)
"It's still Roscommon"!!!!
What a comment.
We were winning All Irelands while them yokes were still living in caves >:(
Harsh last sentence there Rossfan. NI was a very cold house for nationalists in the 1940s. And you know as well as I do all Irelands 60/70/80 years ago holds no water nowadays. Nada.
I actually hope Roscommon do make a game of it and it is interesting to watch right up to the end. What I was asking is how do you think they will play it?
Quote from: The Trap on July 08, 2019, 02:42:55 PM
I actually hope Roscommon do make a game of it and it is interesting to watch right up to the end. What I was asking is how do you think they will play it?
Roscommon deliver the same intensity as they did v Galway,Mayo then this game should be a competitive one, but if they are flat after a 4 week break then Tyrone will ease to victory
Tyrone held Cavan to 3 points in the first half. I think they have gone back to being very tough to break down and create good scoring chances. That can be very demoralising for most teams, especially when they get turned over and Tyrone pick off easy scores from distance. Look how many times McCurry was shooting from right up the middle from 30 or 40 yards.
A few years ago when the Dubs hammered us in the semi final, Sean Cavanagh and Co were saying Dublin are just at a different level and that they couldn't do much about it.
I think maybe there can be a similar gap between the next group of teams and the ones below that. Tyrone are playing quite differently now than how they did a few months ago.
They don't kick too many aimlessly hopeful high balls into McShane if he's for several players around him.
I wonder who the ref is?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 08, 2019, 05:15:23 PM
Tyrone held Cavan to 3 points in the first half. I think they have gone back to being very tough to break down and create good scoring chances. That can be very demoralising for most teams, especially when they get turned over and Tyrone pick off easy scores from distance. Look how many times McCurry was shooting from right up the middle from 30 or 40 yards.
A few years ago when the Dubs hammered us in the semi final, Sean Cavanagh and Co were saying Dublin are just at a different level and that they couldn't do much about it.
I think maybe there can be a similar gap between the next group of teams and the ones below that. Tyrone are playing quite differently now than how they did a few months ago.
They don't kick too many aimlessly hopeful high balls into McShane if he's for several players around him.
I wonder who the ref is?
Ref is Coldrick..
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html
Maybe the Tyrone huers aren't as bad as I thought.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 08, 2019, 06:39:29 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html
Maybe the Tyrone huers aren't as bad as I thought.
Quote"The matter is being dealt with in-house and we won't be making any further comment," he added.
Everyone who was singing will have to do one extra push up as punishment.
Plus 150 decades of the rosary.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 08, 2019, 06:39:29 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html
Maybe the Tyrone huers aren't as bad as I thought.
I wouldn't get carried away, there's a snitch in the squad.
Quote from: Main Street on July 08, 2019, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 08, 2019, 06:39:29 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html
Maybe the Tyrone huers aren't as bad as I thought.
I wouldn't get carried away, there's a snitch in the squad.
If it was Armagh squad he'd already be on a border road somewhere with his thumbs tied together.... :o
I wonder how Mickey Harte feels after getting publicly bitch slapped by Arlene Foster.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 08, 2019, 06:39:29 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html
Maybe the Tyrone huers aren't as bad as I thought.
What exactly is the problem here?
Quote from: Main Street on July 09, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
I wonder how Mickey Harte feels after getting publicly bitch slapped by Arlene Foster.
Surely a Monaghan fan knows what a bitch slapping feels like. Tyrone have been doing it to them consistently in the latter stages of the championship in recent years.
Quote from: Main Street on July 09, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
I wonder how Mickey Harte feels after getting publicly bitch slapped by Arlene Foster.
Has Arlene apologised for her councillors grinning in front of burning Irish flags? Mickey had nothing to apologise for but at least took the high moral ground - and DUP and Orange Order as usual will be the only ones coming out of this looking like the true bigots they are. Anyway, hope we can focus on football now.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 09, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 09, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
I wonder how Mickey Harte feels after getting publicly bitch slapped by Arlene Foster.
Surely a Monaghan fan knows what a bitch slapping feels like. Tyrone have been doing it to them consistently in the latter stages of the championship in recent years.
Been going on a long time now right enough.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 09, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 09, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
I wonder how Mickey Harte feels after getting publicly bitch slapped by Arlene Foster.
Surely a Monaghan fan knows what a bitch slapping feels like. Tyrone have been doing it to them consistently in the latter stages of the championship in recent years.
To be fair I think Tyrone have been lucky in drawing Monaghan time and time again in the QFs and last year's SF. I don't think they would have progressed any further had they played Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, or Galway in any of those games.
Quote from: greatpoint on July 09, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 09, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 09, 2019, 12:53:12 PM
I wonder how Mickey Harte feels after getting publicly bitch slapped by Arlene Foster.
Surely a Monaghan fan knows what a bitch slapping feels like. Tyrone have been doing it to them consistently in the latter stages of the championship in recent years.
To be fair I think Tyrone have been lucky in drawing Monaghan time and time again in the QFs and last year's SF. I don't think they would have progressed any further had they played Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, or Galway in any of those games.
Would the Mayo or Kerry of last year have gone and won a knockout game in Ballybofey to qualify for the semi finals?
Also Tyrone beat Monaghan who played Kerry of the park for long spells.
Arlene sure knows how to put the offensive tyronies into their rightfull place and to extract fulsome Uncle Tom apologies for aberrant behaviour.
Quote from: greatpoint on July 09, 2019, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 08, 2019, 06:39:29 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html
Maybe the Tyrone huers aren't as bad as I thought.
What exactly is the problem here?
They got caught
Not the Tyrone squad's (some of them anyway) finest hour.
Micky Harte has put the publicity if it to bed fairly quickly.
Certainly not helping the Ulster Council in reaching out etc.
Now maybe Arlene can concentrate on things like her party members supporting burning their neighbours' National flag and people being forced out of their homes by illegal organisations building illegal bonfires beside their houses, intimidation etc etc
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2019, 04:52:34 PM
Not the Tyrone squad's (some of them anyway) finest hour.
Micky Harte has put the publicity if it to bed fairly quickly.
Certainly not helping the Ulster Council in reaching out etc.
Now maybe Arlene can concentrate on things like her party members supporting burning their neighbours' National flag and people being forced out of their homes by illegal organisations building illegal bonfires beside their houses, intimidation etc etc
Problem there is you are positing the GAA as the opposite of loyalist kulture. Which means when something like this happens you leave the GAA open to that sort of whataboutery.
Silly boys, rat in tbe dressing room, cop on lads. End of
It's a mountain out of a molehill, fairly harmless and a few lads in their 20s on a bus having a laugh, the fact that this generation of youngsters feel the need to let the world know what they eat for breakfast is the reason it has come to light.
It's the spin it allows the unionists play really that is the issue.
If they were singing 'up to our necks in Orange blood', à la those bands marching by, then there might be an issue; they weren't, and there's not.
Sing it loud and sing it proud.
Amazing how yer man who says he's not Paul Kimmage only appears when there's a negative GAA story about. ::)
Between Hartes cards and marching bands there is a lot of external noise in that Tyrone camp this week. Focus might not be the best.
Not a sound from the Rossie camp and thats the way to have it.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 09, 2019, 09:03:47 PM
Between Hartes cards and marching bands there is a lot of external noise in that Tyrone camp this week. Focus might not be the best.
Not a sound from the Rossie camp and thats the way to have it.
You clearly know nothing about Hartes ability to foster a seige mentality.
Like the one against Donegal ::)
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 09, 2019, 09:16:47 PM
Like the one against Donegal ::)
What one was that? It's only needed at the business end of things.
That was some siege against the dubs the last 2 years ;D
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 09, 2019, 09:06:26 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 09, 2019, 09:03:47 PM
Between Hartes cards and marching bands there is a lot of external noise in that Tyrone camp this week. Focus might not be the best.
Not a sound from the Rossie camp and thats the way to have it.
You clearly know nothing about Hartes ability to foster a seige mentality.
He's been against more things recently than the DUP
Quote from: Rossfan on July 09, 2019, 08:20:49 PM
Amazing how yer man who says he's not Paul Kimmage only appears when there's a negative GAA story about. ::)
Have you any idea how mental you sound? Paul f**king Kimmage
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 09, 2019, 09:42:09 PM
That was some siege against the dubs the last 2 years ;D
It takes more than a siege against them boys.
Hopefully the support give this an airing at the weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORifieiZiP4
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 09, 2019, 09:42:09 PM
That was some siege against the dubs the last 2 years ;D
Got to be in it to win it. Let's see how the rossies fare against the dubs 😂
Quote from: Angelo on July 09, 2019, 10:01:05 PM
Hopefully the support give this an airing at the weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORifieiZiP4
If we make it to the final this year and there isn't a song released called "Come out you red hands", I'll be very disappointed.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 09, 2019, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 09, 2019, 09:42:09 PM
That was some siege against the dubs the last 2 years ;D
Got to be in it to win it. Let's see how the rossies fare against the dubs 😂
We got to see how they fared against the Dubs last summer when the Dubs reserves gave them a hiding. They really were an embarrassment last year, hopefully they can at least compete this year.
I wish Syf was here. I really do.
Careful what you wish for Farr ;D
Tyrones obviously expecting a stroll in the Hyde Saturday going by their comments here.
Maybe we should give a walkover and spare them the expense of travelling.
Will it be a sell out? I'm expecting this to be a lot closer than many are expecting.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 10, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
I wish Syf was here. I really do.
He's still in hiding after the grudge match of the year last season
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2019, 09:48:41 AM
Careful what you wish for Farr ;D
Tyrones obviously expecting a stroll in the Hyde Saturday going by their comments here.
Maybe we should give a walkover and spare them the expense of travelling.
Who said that?
What's the road like from Westport? Google saying an hour an a half - does that sound right?
Yep Rois, that's about right:
https://www.theaa.ie/routes/#/r/Westport+House,Quay+Road,Cloonmonad,Westport,County+Mayo,Ireland/Roscommon,County+Roscommon,Ireland/
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2019, 09:52:55 AM
Will it be a sell out?
GAA obviously don't expect so as it's general admission, find your own seat or spot on the terrace.
We can't have a Connacht Final because of turnstile issues etc and we're limited to 18,000. For the match against Laythrum all the H and S stuff was in full flow, allocated seats, separate entrances for stands and terraces etc. Attendance 8k.
Now for an AI Qtr Final it's all in and everyone for themselves.
If 18,001 turn up will the last lad be locked out?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2019, 09:52:55 AM
Will it be a sell out?
GAA obviously don't expect so as it's general admission, find your own seat or spot on the terrace.
We can't have a Connacht Final because of turnstile issues etc and we're limited to 18,000. For the match against Laythrum all the H and S stuff was in full flow, allocated seats, separate entrances for stands and terraces etc. Attendance 8k.
Now for an AI Qtr Final it's all in and everyone for themselves.
If 18,001 turn up will the last lad be locked out?
I agree with you there Rossfan. I'm sure the Hyde would have held the crowd for the Mayo Galway game too, I know there was 19000 and something at it, but I've been to Hyde Park and there were bigger crowds. I dunno, we're not all 20 stone and 7 ft tall.
Is it really general admission? Crazy if true. 20k turned out for Tyrone v Cyyyavan last week. What do they do if the same crowd turns out on Saturday??
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2019, 11:32:12 AM
Is it really general admission? Crazy if true. 20k turned out for Tyrone v Cyyyavan last week. What do they do if the same crowd turns out on Saturday??
Can easily hold 23-25k under H&S guidelines. In fact that is what it was set for against Donegal last year. Would say 17-18k will be actual turnout.
Cavan/Tyrone official attendance was 11,258.
Anyway the Hyde can hold about 28,000 but due to turnstiles and narrow access to stand side etc has a H&S limit of around 18k.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2019, 09:52:55 AM
Will it be a sell out?
GAA obviously don't expect so as it's general admission, find your own seat or spot on the terrace.
We can't have a Connacht Final because of turnstile issues etc and we're limited to 18,000. For the match against Laythrum all the H and S stuff was in full flow, allocated seats, separate entrances for stands and terraces etc. Attendance 8k.
Now for an AI Qtr Final it's all in and everyone for themselves.
If 18,001 turn up will the last lad be locked out?
They also have Kerry Mayo as general admission which should definitely close to sell out. However as a result of doing general admission they have to restrict the capacity down to something like 30/32,000 under health and safety. So Hyde park probably has a lower official capacity for this game than normal too. Would imagine there'll be a very big Roscommon support there?
The reason they gave in the article I saw for general admission in Killarney was because they couldn't accommodate all the season ticket holders in the stand.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2019, 11:32:12 AM
Is it really general admission? Crazy if true. 20k turned out for Tyrone v Cyyyavan last week. What do they do if the same crowd turns out on Saturday??
Super 8 last year the attendances were pretty poor and so was atmosphere at some of the games
Hop Ros can win, but they have very poor record against Tyrone. Actually they have poor record
against all top teams. Previous teams were just too nice. These lads seem a bit tougher.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2019, 11:32:12 AM
Is it really general admission? Crazy if true. 20k turned out for Tyrone v Cyyyavan last week. What do they do if the same crowd turns out on Saturday??
It's general admission as in you can go anywhere in the ground. But it's still all ticket.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2019, 11:32:12 AM
Is it really general admission? Crazy if true. 20k turned out for Tyrone v Cyyyavan last week. What do they do if the same crowd turns out on Saturday??
official attendance last week was 12000
Quote from: FermGael on July 10, 2019, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 10, 2019, 11:32:12 AM
Is it really general admission? Crazy if true. 20k turned out for Tyrone v Cyyyavan last week. What do they do if the same crowd turns out on Saturday??
official attendance last week was 12000
Apologies, you are correct. Wikipedia originally said 20k.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2019, 09:48:41 AM
Careful what you wish for Farr ;D
Tyrones obviously expecting a stroll in the Hyde Saturday going by their comments here.
Maybe we should give a walkover and spare them the expense of travelling.
And spoil their day out, a bit of sledgeing, a spin in the bus and a sing song. :o
Tyronies are tolerable until they win a game or two.
Quote from: Main Street on July 10, 2019, 03:18:27 PM
Tyronies are tolerable until they win a game or two.
Ah we're grand.
Are tickets readily available on the day?
Of all the posters on the board, it's always the Roscommon ones who seem to get ahead of themselves.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2019, 08:36:14 PM
Of all the posters on the board, it's always the Roscommon ones who seem to get ahead of themselves.
Don't see much of that here. But as the 5th smallest county in Ireland, with a rural, older population, we have opted to not accept our place in the world and dream of beating the big boys every now and then. After Mayo and Galway, hopefully Tyrone and the Dubs next ;
Quote from: weareros on July 10, 2019, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2019, 08:36:14 PM
Of all the posters on the board, it's always the Roscommon ones who seem to get ahead of themselves.
Don't see much of that here. But as the 5th smallest county in Ireland, with a rural, older population, we have opted to not accept our place in the world and dream of beating the big boys every now and then. After Mayo and Galway, hopefully Tyrone and the Dubs next ;
Latest census data says your the 6th....
Leitrim
Longford
Carlow
Fermanagh
& Monaghan
are smaller.....
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 10, 2019, 10:10:06 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 10, 2019, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 10, 2019, 08:36:14 PM
Of all the posters on the board, it's always the Roscommon ones who seem to get ahead of themselves.
Don't see much of that here. But as the 5th smallest county in Ireland, with a rural, older population, we have opted to not accept our place in the world and dream of beating the big boys every now and then. After Mayo and Galway, hopefully Tyrone and the Dubs next ;
Latest census data says your the 6th....
Leitrim
Longford
Carlow
Fermanagh
& Monaghan
are smaller.....
Ah don't forget Mayo take all Ballaghaderreen. We cannot even draw from our full population, small as it is already.
On the back of the last two performances we will be very confident, if we go in overconfident we could get a hop. Roscommon are more miserly this year, in the games against Mayo and Galway they conceded 0-17 and 0-12 respectively. They've hit goals in those games and not coughed up any so I think we need to go for the jugular from the off in this regard, get the early goal and put some doubts in their heads. If we stop Murtagh, Cox and Smith then I don't see where the Roscommon scores will come from. Our defending in the last two games has been very disciplined and cohesive, I thought there were a number of really soft frees awarded against us in the game at Newbridge which helped keep Kildare ticking over so would hope the referee doesn't try and appease the home support in that regard.
I think Tyrone by 4-7.
Hopefully Coldrick will clamp down on the usual Tyrone nasty stuff.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2019, 11:59:53 PM
Hopefully Coldrick will clamp down on the usual Tyrone nasty stuff.
Hopefully he will be wise to the dark arts of Roscommon football.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2019, 11:59:53 PM
Hopefully Coldrick will clamp down on the usual Tyrone nasty stuff.
Your desperation for a bite is entertaining.
This Tyrone team is not a nasty team .... it will very interesting to see how Roscommon deal with Niall Morgan's variety of kick-outs ... at the moment Tyrone are the best in the business in gaining and retaining possession (Dublin aside !!)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2019, 11:59:53 PM
Hopefully Coldrick will clamp down on the usual Tyrone nasty stuff.
He was linesman last week. He will have seen how cavan tried to batter and bludgeon their way into the game against a superior team, so will be wise to the Rossies trying the same dark arts this week.
Quote from: Angelo on July 10, 2019, 10:29:45 PM
On the back of the last two performances we will be very confident, if we go in overconfident we could get a hop. Roscommon are more miserly this year, in the games against Mayo and Galway they conceded 0-17 and 0-12 respectively. They've hit goals in those games and not coughed up any so I think we need to go for the jugular from the off in this regard, get the early goal and put some doubts in their heads. If we stop Murtagh, Cox and Smith then I don't see where the Roscommon scores will come from. Our defending in the last two games has been very disciplined and cohesive, I thought there were a number of really soft frees awarded against us in the game at Newbridge which helped keep Kildare ticking over so would hope the referee doesn't try and appease the home support in that regard.
I think Tyrone by 4-7.
What did Roscommon concede in Connacht this year v last year?
There is a sense of serious confidence coming out of Roscommon and rightly so. They've already knocked out Mayo (a team many would rank ahead of Tyrone) and Galway away from home. And they're coming back to Dr Hyde Park with the confidence of those wins and a title already won. And what makes them more dangerous is the fact they've already got this far in recent seasons so they'll in no way be satisfied with just winning a provincial title.
They are a very different team to the open nice footballing team Tyrone played last year. They play with a lot more intensity, physicality and are a lot more defensively minded at the back. Add in the form of Cox up front and you have a great blend there.
So this will be a big battle from Tyrone and they better be prepared for a real scrap and serious rise in intensity from recent weeks. Whoever wins this will be in pole position for a semi final spot, a really good game for both teams to look forward too.
Any word on Peter Harte's appeal? Is it being heard this evening?
With Central GAA's favourite Juggernaut in the group this game is as close to a knocknout game as you can get.
If all else is equal I fear we'll struggle with Tyrone's superior S&C honed over the years while we were engaging in schoolboy football under the previous regime.
Should be a great occasion and it seems the weather is going to do its bit as well.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2019, 10:46:52 AM
With Central GAA's favourite Juggernaut in the group this game is as close to a knocknout game as you can get.
If all else is equal I fear we'll struggle with Tyrone's superior S&C honed over the years while we were engaging in schoolboy football under the previous regime.
Should be a great occasion and it seems the weather is going to do its bit as well.
I think Tyrone will have too much for Roscommon. But I think it'll be a tighter affair than some anticipate. There is no way we'll see the margins of last year. Think it will actually be a fairly good game of football. Roscommon coming into the game will be keen to show development from last year as I'm sure their performance was disappointing and I think they have ability there. Haven't seen much of them this year bar some highlights but certainly seem to be a harder unit than last year.
Just think Tyrone seem to have progressively improved since Donegal. But if Peter's ban isn't overturned then it could be a very close match. He's hugely important to the team and his loss so early in the Donegal game was a big impact on how that game panned out imo.
F*ck the begrudgers, great to have a few games over the next couple of weeks. Hon the super 8's.
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https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/out-of-tune-tyrone-footballers-have-no-excuses-935856.html
Quote from: Angelo on July 11, 2019, 10:44:51 AM
Any word on Peter Harte's appeal? Is it being heard this evening?
he going to Dublin this evening for it.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 11, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/out-of-tune-tyrone-footballers-have-no-excuses-935856.html
Yep, an 'ordinary decent supremacist marching Orange band', how could they!
The irony, of course, that all offence here is post-ipso-facto -- very little to be offended by.
I'm sick of this shite about the Tyrone team and this song. Declan Bogue is out of line with his article. What's the issue here? That a team of Gaelic footballers who are Irish, have an affinity with Ireland and Irishness? Next week Declan Bogue calls water wet! It's complete faux outrage! The OO are getting a by-ball because they organised the Parade not to coincide with Mass! The whole thing is beyond parody.
Apologies to Robbie Burns but
Wid some power the giftie gie ye
Tae see yerselves as ithers see ye
Quote from: trailer on July 11, 2019, 12:36:27 PM
I'm sick of this shite about the Tyrone team and this song. Declan Bogue is out of line with his article. What's the issue here? That a team of Gaelic footballers who are Irish, have an affinity with Ireland and Irishness? Next week Declan Bogue calls water wet! It's complete faux outrage! The OO are getting a by-ball because they organised the Parade not to coincide with Mass! The whole thing is beyond parody.
Did limerick hurlers get the same treatment after their rendition of Sean South?
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 11, 2019, 12:59:17 PM
Did limerick hurlers get the same treatment after their rendition of Sean South?
If they did it at an actual loyalist parade, they deserve it, and worse.
Quote from: five points on July 11, 2019, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 11, 2019, 12:59:17 PM
Did limerick hurlers get the same treatment after their rendition of Sean South?
If they did it at an actual loyalist parade, they deserve it, and worse.
Not much opportunity to sing it at a loyalist parade in Limerick in fairness.
Limerick hurlers praised for organising to sing Sean South so it doesn't coincide with Orange parade.
Lads did nothing wrong. Sang a rebel song in a bus. Songs of protest are part of our heritage. Have influenced music all around the world. Bob Dylan ate Irish rebel songs for breakfast. Ridiculous stuff and let the Red Hand sing every rebel song under the sun from Strabane to the Hyde. This will be a great game and that should be all our focus.
Hear, hear, a chara!
Indeed, let us look forward to a cracking footballing encounter in Hyde Park this Saturday, without all this contrived indignation nonsense, and hoping our lads are smarting still from that firat half annihilation in Hyde in the League earlier this year -- retribution beckons! ;)
I think we need to ditch The Mountains of Pomeroy now too. That fcuker was an outlawed man. Can't be offending now.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:05:25 PM
I think we need to ditch The Mountains of Pomeroy now too. That fcuker was an outlawed man. Can't be offending now.
Trust you ya hoor ya, to bring poor downtrodden and maligned Renardine into the malevolent mix too, give us Strabane wans a break, would you? ;)
Quote from: five points on July 11, 2019, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 11, 2019, 12:59:17 PM
Did limerick hurlers get the same treatment after their rendition of Sean South?
If they did it at an actual loyalist parade, they deserve it, and worse.
Dry your eyes. Bogue has made a right p***k out of himself this week. A few lads singing a song about the bastards of the black and tans from literally 100 years ago now that were sent to Ireland to murder and terrorise our people. If anyone is offended by a nationalist singing that song they can go f**k as far away off as possible.
Sean South is a song about an attack on an RUC barracks 40 years after the black and tans were disbanded. It's mental that this is an issue and anyone like Bogue or Sean Cavanagh who made a dickhead out of himself on several fronts in an article today can go shite up a tree.
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Of course but now you have every idiot on southern radio and podcasts repeating his talking points since then. The false equivalence of a bunch of young fellas singing a very inoffensive song if you actually listen to it, in private on a bus compared to what we have to put up with for essentially a month every summer is stomach churning.
Agreed. At least after this Sat it's just fish and chip paper.
Can't see Mickey making any changes if Harte is reprieved. Possibly Hampsey if fit?
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:44:11 PM
Agreed. At least after this Sat it's just fish and chip paper.
Can't see Mickey making any changes if Harte is reprieved. Possibly Hampsey if fit?
Not sure. I wouldn't change much.
Forgot to add the funniest part of all this. Whoever runs the Tyrone twitter account clearly doesn't agree with Harte apologizing having liked this tweet. ;D ;D
https://twitter.com/collamcmahon/status/1148831657341988864
I also liked the opening of Tyrone gaa's latest tweet.......
The likes of Hampsey, Richie Donnelly, Mc Aliskey, etc., on the bench are massive plusses, and whether any of them starts?
I know fcuk all about Roscommon. What should we expect that is different from last year in Croke, bar home venue and a partisan pack of animals?
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 09:08:44 PM
I know fcuk all about Roscommon. What should we expect that is different from last year in Croke, bar home venue and a partisan pack of animals?
From what I've seen of them this year they've really come on. Playing big strong natural defenders in defense and look a lot fitter and better coached in that area. Cox is a huge addition to them too up top. Some of the points he's been taking are Stevie O'Neillesque.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 09:08:44 PM
I know fcuk all about Roscommon. What should we expect that is different from last year in Croke, bar home venue and a partisan pack of animals?
We are really nice people down here in Roscommon, we will give the tyrone choir boys a welcome they deserve something similar to the one we gave those said black and tans all those years ago but without the guns this time. ;) 8)
That deserves a laughing emoticon but i'll never stoop.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 09:08:44 PM
I know fcuk all about Roscommon. What should we expect that is different from last year in Croke,
Were about 3 times worse this year so ye should be winning by 6-36 to 1-7.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 09:08:44 PM
I know fcuk all about Roscommon. What should we expect that is different from last year in Croke, bar home venue and a partisan pack of animals?
Roscommon have won All-Irelands in successive years, something which puts them on a clear pedestal above Tyrone.
That is true. Same as Cavan.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 09:36:50 PM
That is true. Same as Cavan.
23 Ulsters and 2 all-irelands more than us didn't help them last week though which was a pity.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Declan Bogue has no credibility as a person never mind as a journalist.
Quote from: trailer on July 11, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Declan Bogue has no credibility as a person never mind as a journalist.
I don't know a thing about him outside of reading a few articles and hearing him on a few GAA radio shows or podcasts so I had very little respect built up for him before this uncle tomming but he's in negative equity now.
**Sorry for ranting so much about this in a match thread, but it boils my spuds**
Did Peter Harte get his black cards overturned?
nothing yet on twitter.
Quote from: trailer on July 11, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Declan Bogue has no credibility as a person never mind as a journalist.
What the fcuk does that shit mean? Bogue is possibly one of thee best GAA writers out there.
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 11, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Declan Bogue has no credibility as a person never mind as a journalist.
What the fcuk does that shit mean? Bogue is possibly one of thee best GAA writers out there.
That article is awful
Harte cleared to play
Where'd you get that from? Still no word on twitter
Teamtalk have confirmed it on Facebook.
Only the Longford one rescinded.....?
Pure BS
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
Not watched a lot of football this year so??
Better than watching sligo getting whooped in every game they played this year anyway :)
🤔🤔🤔🤔As opposed to every other top team
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
Have you been living under a rock?
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 11, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Declan Bogue has no credibility as a person never mind as a journalist.
What the fcuk does that shit mean? Bogue is possibly one of thee best GAA writers out there.
You might disagree with his
opinion piece in a newspaper but to question him as a person?! Cop on with yourself. I don't particularly agree with his summation but his writing is always excellent and having met the man several times I can say without any hesitation he is a gent and a true GAA man.
Quote from: The Bearded One on July 11, 2019, 11:55:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 11, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Declan Bogue has no credibility as a person never mind as a journalist.
What the fcuk does that shit mean? Bogue is possibly one of thee best GAA writers out there.
You might disagree with his opinion piece in a newspaper but to question him as a person?! Cop on with yourself. I don't particularly agree with his summation but his writing is always excellent and having met the man several times I can say without any hesitation he is a gent and a true GAA man.
Agreed, and quare craic. Top man.
Needless to say the bould Harte got one of his cards overturned as we expected.
Jayop. i think Sean Cavanagh done alot more for Tyrone; than your slabbering on here about Tyrone past year or so.!!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 12, 2019, 12:02:50 AM
Needless to say the bould Harte got one of his cards overturned as we expected.
Only one! disgrace. Especially after an objective analysis by Des and Sean C on The Sunday Game rubbished all 3!
In subsequent Sunday Game investigative journalism:
Des and Pat Spillane reveal how Munster is the toughest province and how Clare and Cork nearly felled the Kingdom
Des and Ciaran Whelan go undercover to unveil the monetary struggles of Dublin GAA and the sinister forces at work trying to keep them down
Disappointing for Tyrone morale that just one card rescinded. Peter Harte back to knife edge avoiding hard tackles even. Add this to the bus song and it's a far from ideal preparation.
Roscommon 7/2 is a big price.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
Tyrone are averaging 23 points a game across 6 matches. So it's fair to say they've been doing a lot more than just defending.
I think this will be a lot closer than people expect and I wouldn't be surprised if Roscommon win it. The biggest weakness Roscommon have is at MF, they got cleaned out there against Mayo (and Galway to a lesser extent from what I saw) and still managed to win. If Tyrone push up on the kickouts, they will struggle but if Tyrone play more conservatively, Roscommon will win imo.
Good luck to the neighbours anyway
Quote from: Jayop on July 11, 2019, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 11, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 11, 2019, 08:37:07 PM
Bogue did make a couple of good points. But you have to remember who his primary audience is too - The Belfast Telegraph readership.
Sometimes you have to tell the wife them jeans do look good on her, for selfish reasons.
Declan Bogue has no credibility as a person never mind as a journalist.
I don't know a thing about him outside of reading a few articles and hearing him on a few GAA radio shows or podcasts so I had very little respect built up for him before this uncle tomming but he's in negative equity now.
**Sorry for ranting so much about this in a match thread, but it boils my spuds**
British queens or lumper?
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 09:16:12 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
Quote from: westbound on July 12, 2019, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 09:16:12 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
Look at the stats for the highest points scored by a team in a championship season. Look where Tyrone 2017 and Tyrone 2018 are.
Living in hope more than expectation of a famous Ros win, but anyway.
Tyrone are a seasoned outfit, and know what it takes to get the job done at this stage of the championship. We aren't at that level yet, but if we want to be official members of the Big Boys Club, we have to start claiming scalps at this level. We seem to be a lot stronger than last year, and definitely more organized defensively, so at the very least I'd be confident that it won't end up a massacre like last year.
Winning Connacht as we did broke new ground for us this year, and the next step is get a win in the Super 8s. As usual before a big game for Ros, emotions swing from Ger Loughnane's 'We're going to do it' to 'We're doomed, I tells you'. Tyrone, as I said, are used to this. We have to get used to doing this.
Best of luck to the Rossies, and safe travel and welcome to Tyrone fans traveling. Hope yez enjoy the hospitality, but know that there won't be much hospitality within the white lines of the Hyde- again hopefully!!
Providing it doesn't become a blowout as has happened Ros so often in the past, it should make for a mighty battle, with a lot of intriguing match-ups in prospect. So much at stake for the winner, in that they can focus full attention on beating Cork for a semi-final berth- and that's far from a forgone conclusion, by the way, but it'd be nice not to be looking to beat Dublin to survive.
A Ros win would be up there with my happiest moments in sport- the only thing that would take the sheen off it would be a Cork win v the T1000s.
Best not think of that!!
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 10:05:39 AM
Quote from: westbound on July 12, 2019, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 09:16:12 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
Look at the stats for the highest points scored by a team in a championship season. Look where Tyrone 2017 and Tyrone 2018 are.
So are you saying that Tyrone in 2017 or 2018 have scored more than any team in any year?
Can you provide a link to the stats because I have better things to be doing. But if you are making such a claim you must have the evidence?
Quote from: hardstation on July 12, 2019, 09:17:42 AM
Tyrone would want to get Harte black carded soon. He wouldn't have been needed much for this game as Tyrone will win it comfortably enough. Play Cork without him maybe. Dublin game viewed as a dead rubber?
They certainly don't want him missing a semi-final or final.
100%, probably shouldn't have bothered appealing, lose him for the Ros game and then be at zero moving onwards might have made more sense
Quote from: westbound on July 12, 2019, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 09:16:12 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
It's not a stat it's a fact. No argument that Tyrone are scoring more, but every time the opposition get the ball is a stampede back to their own half by all with the possible exception of mcshane. Did you watch the Cavan game, I did for 20 minutes. As a neutral it's not pretty to watch.
Quote from: westbound on July 12, 2019, 12:05:36 PM
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Quote from: westbound on July 12, 2019, 09:26:17 AM
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Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
Look at the stats for the highest points scored by a team in a championship season. Look where Tyrone 2017 and Tyrone 2018 are.
So are you saying that Tyrone in 2017 or 2018 have scored more than any team in any year?
Can you provide a link to the stats because I have better things to be doing. But if you are making such a claim you must have the evidence?
I had a look at 2017 and Dublin's total scored and scoring average are both much higher than Tyrone's. In 2018 Tyrone played two games more than anyone else but their scoring average was still far below Dublin's.
It might be the highest number of points scored without winning anything? I know they're the first team to have lost three times in the Championship.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 12, 2019, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: westbound on July 12, 2019, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 12, 2019, 09:16:12 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 11, 2019, 11:22:04 PM
I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
It's not a stat it's a fact. No argument that Tyrone are scoring more, but every time the opposition get the ball is a stampede back to their own half by all with the possible exception of mcshane. Did you watch the Cavan game, I did for 20 minutes. As a neutral it's not pretty to watch.
So that they can win the ball back to launch another attack? When a team is averaging 23 points a game over 6 matches it's crazy for anyone to try to label them as being defensive.
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I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
It's not a stat it's a fact. No argument that Tyrone are scoring more, but every time the opposition get the ball is a stampede back to their own half by all with the possible exception of mcshane. Did you watch the Cavan game, I did for 20 minutes. As a neutral it's not pretty to watch.
So that they can win the ball back to launch another attack? When a team is averaging 23 points a game over 6 matches it's crazy for anyone to try to label them as being defensive.
When a team is averaging 14 or 15 men behind the ball it's crazy for anyone not to label them as defensive.
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When a team is averaging 14 or 15 men behind the ball it's crazy for anyone not to label them as defensive.
I don't know how, this side of metaphysics, a team can score 23 points or more and 'average 14 or 15 men behind the ball'. Looked at Dublin or Donegal lately, or is this just a blinkered buy-in to the critical hype?
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When a team is averaging 14 or 15 men behind the ball it's crazy for anyone not to label them as defensive.
I don't know how, this side of metaphysics, a team can score 23 points or more and 'average 14 or 15 men behind the ball'. Looked at Dublin or Donegal lately, or is this just a blinkered buy-in to the critical hype?
Speaking of metaphysics and to invoke the great Tyrone man in your picture, as I said before playing against Tyrone's defensive system, particularly when a forward carries the ball into contact is akin to De Selby's theory of reality as "a succession of static experiences each infinitely brief". Well that's how it was for Ros last year anyway. Hopefully we have learned.
We shall deploy the necessary, as the strategists should see fit, to thwart and frustrate the Rossie advances, to be sure :)
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When a team is averaging 14 or 15 men behind the ball it's crazy for anyone not to label them as defensive.
Do ya think there might be a game of football in the middle of all that stuf :o
I don't know how, this side of metaphysics, a team can score 23 points or more and 'average 14 or 15 men behind the ball'. Looked at Dublin or Donegal lately, or is this just a blinkered buy-in to the critical hype?
Speaking of metaphysics and to invoke the great Tyrone man in your picture, as I said before playing against Tyrone's defensive system, particularly when a forward carries the ball into contact is akin to De Selby's theory of reality as "a succession of static experiences each infinitely brief". Well that's how it was for Ros last year anyway. Hopefully we have learned.
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I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
Look at the stats for the highest points scored by a team in a championship season. Look where Tyrone 2017 and Tyrone 2018 are.
So are you saying that Tyrone in 2017 or 2018 have scored more than any team in any year?
Can you provide a link to the stats because I have better things to be doing. But if you are making such a claim you must have the evidence?
I had a look at 2017 and Dublin's total scored and scoring average are both much higher than Tyrone's. In 2018 Tyrone played two games more than anyone else but their scoring average was still far below Dublin's.
It might be the highest number of points scored without winning anything? I know they're the first team to have lost three times in the Championship.
I had all this worked out before. In 2017 Mayo broke the all time scoring record in a championship season. In 2018 Tyrone beat that record by a few points, but unfortunately Dublin also beat it that year, so as it stands Dublin have the highest scoring season of all time in 2018, Tyrone are second in 2018 and Mayo are in third in 2017.
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Jayop. i think Sean Cavanagh done alot more for Tyrone; than your slabbering on here about Tyrone past year or so.!!
Of course he has. He's a county legend and all round a legend of the game nationwide.
Does that mean he should be above criticism when he says something completely brainless like he did in his article this week on two subjects?
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Do ya think there might be a game of football in the middle of all that stuf :o
For your sake, you might be praying for that, sure! ;)
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Jayop. i think Sean Cavanagh done alot more for Tyrone; than your slabbering on here about Tyrone past year or so.!!
Of course he has. He's a county legend and all round a legend of the game nationwide.
Does that mean he should be above criticism when he says something completely brainless like he did in his article this week on two subjects?
Big Sean? he's prone to the odd acute outbreak of paranoia, that's nothing too serious in the context of a Tyronie, almost normal.
I feel attacked
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I can't wait to watch this one. 15 Tyrone players back defending, riveting stuff.
This Tyrone team is statistically the highest scoring team in the history of the Championship. Anyone who thinks they are a defensive team doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
What does the stat mean?
Have you evidence to back it up?
Look at the stats for the highest points scored by a team in a championship season. Look where Tyrone 2017 and Tyrone 2018 are.
So are you saying that Tyrone in 2017 or 2018 have scored more than any team in any year?
Can you provide a link to the stats because I have better things to be doing. But if you are making such a claim you must have the evidence?
I had a look at 2017 and Dublin's total scored and scoring average are both much higher than Tyrone's. In 2018 Tyrone played two games more than anyone else but their scoring average was still far below Dublin's.
It might be the highest number of points scored without winning anything? I know they're the first team to have lost three times in the Championship.
I had all this worked out before. In 2017 Mayo broke the all time scoring record in a championship season. In 2018 Tyrone beat that record by a few points, but unfortunately Dublin also beat it that year, so as it stands Dublin have the highest scoring season of all time in 2018, Tyrone are second in 2018 and Mayo are in third in 2017.
So statistically, Red hand is incorrect?
As the game gets closer I'm getting less confident as usual.
I think with the very clever and experienced Anthony Cunningham at the helm now, Roscommon will be a lo streetwise than they were at this stage last year.
It's one thing beating Div 1 teams in the spring time and early summer but I think the top teams seem to coast through the earlier rounds and focus getting to peak fitness and higher performance levels for mid July to August with a view to get into the Semis.
Many would say Tyrone got to a AI final last year with quite an easy run and the same could be said again last year as they made light work of Kildare and Cavan.
A home match to last years runners up is a huge opportunity for the Rossies to show their Connacht performances were flukes and if the intelligent Cunningham can learn from how not to play into Tyrone's defensive spider web they could indeed spring a surprise.
In recent games though Tyrone have had their game won at half time and with Colly Cavanagh back in the middle of the Web, means it's hard for teams to make come backs.
Cox at full forward will cause problems if given the right supply but Tyrone were particularly mean against Cavan and even let them take their short kick outs just so that they could flood the defence right away from restarts and not be caught by long kick outs over the top of the midfield.
I think it could be a tougher game than we might think but if Petey Harte can avoid the dreaded black card or worse then we should win.
As far as the numbers I had, yes.
2017 - Mayo = 17:164 (215 points) - 10 games
2018 - Tyrone = 17:164 (215 points) - 10 games
2018 - Dubs = 17:169 (220 points) - 8 games
So joint second highest ever championship score. Dubs average score is higher but they racked up unreal scores in the three Leinster games that year.
Interestingly Tyrone have potentially eleven games to play this year if they make the final which will be the most ever in a championship season. We're also 29 points ahead of the score total we had this time last year before the super 8 started so if Tyrone do make the final this year it would be hard to see them not beating their own previous score again. We're 56 points ahead of Dublin this year so far too having played twice as many games.
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As far as the numbers I had, yes.
2017 - Mayo = 17:164 (215 points) - 10 games
2018 - Tyrone = 17:164 (215 points) - 10 games
2018 - Dubs = 17:169 (220 points) - 8 games
So joint second highest ever championship score. Dubs average score is higher but they racked up unreal scores in the three Leinster games that year.
Interestingly Tyrone have potentially eleven games to play this year if they make the final which will be the most ever in a championship season. We're also 29 points ahead of the score total we had this time last year before the super 8 started so if Tyrone do make the final this year it would be hard to see them not beating their own previous score again. We're 56 points ahead of Dublin this year so far too having played twice as many games.
Thinking I saw that stat in the run-up to last year's final now. Would make sense that Dublin overtook them after the final.
So no, sorry, they aren't the most offensive team of all time, just the second most offensive team of all time.
None of that stuff can be accurate lads. Sure off the top of my head and going down memory lane, in the 1980 championship Roscommon scored:
9-19 v London
1-14 v Galway
3-13 v Mayo
2-20 v Armagh
1-6 (ouch) v Kerry
That's an average of 24 points per game.
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None of that stuff can be accurate lads. Sure off the top of my head and going down memory lane, in the 1980 championship Roscommon scored:
9-19 v London
1-14 v Galway
3-13 v Mayo
2-20 v Armagh
1-6 (ouch) v Kerry
That's an average of 24 points per game.
A total of 120 points.
The fact is that 220 points total is the top score of all time over a championship. That's 27.5 PPG if you want to go down that road.
All these totals will be beat over and over again with more and more games being added to the championship. God forbid if a decent Dublin side got put out of Leinster in a quarter final having played in the prelim then they would be looking at playing 11 games up to an all-ireland final. They would smash these records again.
The fact remains that to call this Tyrone team negative/defensive is a joke, given the scores they rack up.
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The fact remains that to call this Tyrone team negative/defensive is a joke, given the scores they rack up.
Kicked 4:57 this year against 3 teams that have been D1 in the last two seasons, so as close to top level opposition as you get before this stage. An average of 22.7 points per game against that level of opposition.
I was going to compare all the teams left in the super 8 for games against D1 teams 2018/19 but the figures are all arse about foot on Wikipedia for this years Connacht Championship which they actually have Mayo down as winning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship
Ros team named.
As started the last day except Hubert D in for the injured Conor Dev.
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Ros team named.
As started the last day except Hubert D in for the injured Conor Dev.
Team that was published.
Darren O'Malley - Michael Glaveys
David Murray - Padraig Pearses
Sean Mullooly - Strokestown
Conor Daly - Padraig Pearses
Niall Daly - Padraig Pearses
Conor Hussey - Michael Glaveys
Ronan Daly - Padraig Pearses
Tadgh O'Rourke - Tulsk
Shane Killoran - Elphin
Hubert Darcy - Padraig Pearses
Cathal Cregg - Western Gaels
Niall Kilroy - Fuerty
Diarmuid Murtagh - St Faithleachs
Conor Cox - Listowel Emmetts
Enda Smith - Boyle
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None of that stuff can be accurate lads. Sure off the top of my head and going down memory lane, in the 1980 championship Roscommon scored:
9-19 v London
1-14 v Galway
3-13 v Mayo
2-20 v Armagh
1-6 (ouch) v Kerry
That's an average of 24 points per game.
A total of 120 points.
The fact is that 220 points total is the top score of all time over a championship. That's 27.5 PPG if you want to go down that road.
All these totals will be beat over and over again with more and more games being added to the championship. God forbid if a decent Dublin side got put out of Leinster in a quarter final having played in the prelim then they would be looking at playing 11 games up to an all-ireland final. They would smash these records again.
The Dublin one is that, yes. I do think it should be PPG if you are trying to make a case on offensive power. Don't get me wrong, Tyrone's PPG at 21 is seriously impressive. But against that, more games also mean that the good teams are just hammering a lot of bad teams along the way. Dublin may not get their first serious challenge this year until their game in Omagh (and even that could be two B teams out) - although I do hope both Cork and Ros can put it up to them. Many of the points in these records are of the shooting fish in a barrel variety.
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None of that stuff can be accurate lads. Sure off the top of my head and going down memory lane, in the 1980 championship Roscommon scored:
9-19 v London
1-14 v Galway
3-13 v Mayo
2-20 v Armagh
1-6 (ouch) v Kerry
That's an average of 24 points per game.
A total of 120 points.
The fact is that 220 points total is the top score of all time over a championship. That's 27.5 PPG if you want to go down that road.
All these totals will be beat over and over again with more and more games being added to the championship. God forbid if a decent Dublin side got put out of Leinster in a quarter final having played in the prelim then they would be looking at playing 11 games up to an all-ireland final. They would smash these records again.
The Dublin one is that, yes. I do think it should be PPG if you are trying to make a case on offensive power. Don't get me wrong, Tyrone's PPG at 21 is seriously impressive. But against that, more games also mean that the good teams are just hammering a lot of bad teams along the way. Dublin may not get their first serious challenge this year until their game in Omagh (and even that could be two B teams out) - although I do hope both Cork and Ros can put it up to them. Many of the points in these records are of the shooting fish in a barrel variety.
lol you literally included a 9:19 hammering over London in your example.
This year Tyrone have played 3 D1 teams from this year and last already and have averaged 22.7 points per game against as close to top tier opposition as you can face at this stage of the season. If you're going to remove shooting fish in a barrel then you'd want to define that and apply that same logic to all historical totals.
For example the highest PPG total for any team that I can find is Kerry in 1979* with 29.8, but they had a score of 9:21 against Clare in the Munster semi-final. Should we discount that?
*An amazing year for Kerry, they also put 5:14 on Monaghan in the AI semi final and 3:13 on the Dubs in the final....
Edit: I'll also add that you can't really adjust for any records and you just have to take them as they are. People are moaning about C O'C potentially beating Gooch's record this weekend with 30 odd games to spare saying he's padded the total against Leitrim, Sligo, New York and London. That is true, but Tyrone players get to play against Antrim, Derry these days, Fermanagh before they went mad defensive. Kerry play against a load of crap below too and the Dubs get to play every other team in Leinster.
Records are whatever they are, points are kicked, goals are scored and you have to take it as it is.
The day has arrived and hopefully we can send the Tyrones home with their tails between their legs sadder and wiser.
It will be a mammoth task for our lads.
Are they up to the task? Time will tell.
I'm cautiously optimistic at best and sure it might end up a draw.
Crowd limit of only 16,890, reduced due to it being a General Admission free for all.
Meanwhile the Planning notice for the improvement works to the Hyde has been published in the papers so hopefully that process will go smoothly.
Sky sports coverage starting at 5 according to my box. Could that be right? No build up.
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Sky sports coverage starting at 5 according to my box. Could that be right? No build up.
Coverage is available on the red button from 4pm.
I can't see the Rossies being able to raise it to the necessary levels Tír Eoghain have hit in the last two games, in particular, though, and however, I'll be the first to concede should they do so, in how I've called it so wrong.
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Sky sports coverage starting at 5 according to my box. Could that be right? No build up.
The ratings in Britain last week were apparently abysmal.
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Sky sports coverage starting at 5 according to my box. Could that be right? No build up.
The ratings in Britain last week were apparently abysmal.
Wouldn't read too much into the 7000 figure it whatever it was. Doesn't count those in pubs, or watching through NowTV. I'm sure there were more than 7000 watching in Ireland as well.
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Sky sports coverage starting at 5 according to my box. Could that be right? No build up.
Coverage is available on the red button from 4pm.
Cheers. On my dodgy box I have the pictures of the pre match but sound from motor sports.
I was shitting meself too!!!
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Sky sports coverage starting at 5 according to my box. Could that be right? No build up.
Fish O Mania takes precedence.
What channel is it on. My dodgy box is so dodgy it doesn't give the listings
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What channel is it on. My dodgy box is so dodgy it doesn't give the listings
Sky Sports Arena
Body check on mcshane, should have been a black card, no?
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Body check on mcshane, should have been a black card, no?
I thought so. Not sure how a trip during a tackle is worse than a deliberate body check off the ball
Two yellows is a concern. Don't know what HP did for his one.
Lucky for Kennedy ref didn't give red for that tackle.
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Lucky for Kennedy ref didn't give red for that tackle.
Lol
Was the rossie number 15 who high tacked peter there now not on a yellow? I thought he was. Sure it should have been a yellow for a high tackle as per every game this year
Usual craic. Cards for everything for Tyrone and nada for the same thing the other way
Cregg reaction and crowd got McDonnell booked there.
Joke yellow card for McDonnell. Tyrone are refereed differently.
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Cregg reaction and crowd got McDonnell booked there.
It's pathetic from the ref.
There is a serious issue with how cards are issued. Christ if tyrone fart they get a card
Even commentator is calling it out. Never a free at the end
I honestly don't think the ref has got a single decision wrong in terms of a awarding a free but the cards issue has haunted us for years. We have to do far less to get them than every team we play against.
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Cregg reaction and crowd got McDonnell booked there.
It's pathetic from the ref.
You're hardly the voice of reason yourself ;).
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There is a serious issue with how cards are issued. Christ if tyrone fart they get a card
unbelievable.
Just let the crowd referee it sure ffs
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Even commentator is calling it out. Never a free at the end
Ah even if the cav tackle wasn't mcgeary rushing in was a foul. Don't think the fouls have been any problem either way. Just the cards.
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Cregg reaction and crowd got McDonnell booked there.
Cregg has done that his whole career
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Cregg reaction and crowd got McDonnell booked there.
It's pathetic from the ref.
You're hardly the voice of reason yourself ;).
Nope. I'm as biased as they come.
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Even commentator is calling it out. Never a free at the end
Earley wrong there IMO, Cavanagh tackled arseways to take Rossie out.
Ref has pretty much let everything go apart from high tackles, which also result in a card.
It might seem a little biased against Tyrone - but they keep doing it!
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I honestly don't think the ref has got a single decision wrong in terms of a awarding a free but the cards issue has haunted us for years. We have to do far less to get them than every team we play against.
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Agreed. Yes most of them are fouls but would question the card. Every high tackle this year has been a yellow but Peter harte gets a high tackle and no card is shown.
If that's a yellow card for McDonnell at the end then I'm away to take up tennis or something.
Mcshane being tripped was a black twice as much as anything harte did this year and they weren't over turned so the gaa clearly say a mistimed tackle with a hanging foot is a black.
It's not imo and I hope neither team pick up a black. Just don't like the uneven way they're issued.
A competitive contest so far. Tyrone lucky enough to be ahead at half time as on another day the rossies would have scored those goal chances and they missed a few straight forward frees also.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 13, 2019, 05:48:50 PM
A competitive contest so far. Tyrone lucky enough to be ahead at half time as on another day the rossies would have scored those goal chances and they missed a few straight forward frees also.
Aye on the balance of play the rossies could be disappointed to be behind. Very worried here.
I think its a stretch to say the second one was a decebt goal chance. He was coming in from a tight angle and had nothing to shoot at. You would have been asking serious questions of morgan if he goals from there.
Good standard of play here, worthy of the last 8.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 13, 2019, 05:53:14 PM
I think its a stretch to say the second one was a decebt goal chance. He was coming in from a tight angle and had nothing to shoot at. You would have been asking serious questions of morgan if he goals from there.
He could have passed it.
Based in the first half I would almost bet on it now that tyrone wont finish with a full team.
Christ 1 min into match even commentator says rossies are fouling as much as tyrone but havent got a card yet
2 off the ball blocks in this move alone
Lol that hop ball. Slám Cavanagh on the back of the head and take the ball. Getting ridiculous now.
Coldrick is at it big time here.
The Cavanagh one was the worst one yet!! This is shocking.
Some amount of head injuries for Roscommon. Amazingly without any actual head contact.
Coldrick is riding Tyrone, no yellows for roscommon for similar fouls, that yellow to Cavanaugh not even a free
Was thinking the same on head injuries, head never touched
No foul on Sludden one end and the same thing is a foul on Tyrone this end. Would make ye sick every f**king game.
Attendance: 14,465
Quote from: Jayop on July 13, 2019, 05:41:19 PM
I honestly don't think the ref has got a single decision wrong in terms of a awarding a free but the cards issue has haunted us for years. We have to do far less to get them than every team we play against.
I agree. Of course you could argue some decisions, as it's a GAA match, but overall he's been fair regarding awarding of frees.
The yellow cards have all been for high tackles. He's definitely got more than one wrong and Tyrone on the wrong end of those. But I wouldn't be too harsh on Colderick, he's just been conned by the Rossies 2 or 3 times when they've gone down holding their heads when there's been no head contact.
I've said the fouls by and large have all been correct. It's the cards issue every game we play now though.
Really poor finish. Load of room to the keeper's left
Finally Colderick didn't fall for one!
Tyrone going to start the lying down now though!
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 06:12:34 PM
Really poor finish. Load of room to the keeper's left
Was thinking he'll get a bit of stick in the club for that.
Game has died on its arse here. Heat effecting things I'd say.
So is that a black card? Foot trip as he went to pick up the ball?
Nah it should have been a yellow imo. Got nothing though as you'd expect.
If mcgoldrick refs a game again I would be surprised
Another clear push in the back on mcshane and nothing given. It's a bad day when the commentators call out the fouls
No black ;D ;D ;D
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No black ;D ;D ;D
If referees aren't going to apply it consistently then it's better to just abolish it.
Surely that is as clear as black card as there ever has been and still no card.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 06:32:08 PM
Surely that is as clear as black card as there ever has been and still no card.
The pull down on McShane? Very strange decisions, looked a stone wall black
Ross fans booing as if they've been hard done by is hilarious.
Very very poor effort put in by Enda Smith to win that last ball. Given up ghost or just not able for 70 mins?
Pretty awful goalkeeping by Morgan for the goal chance late on. Got away with it.
Well done Tyrone. Much the better team.
Ross the better team in the first half but seemed to tire badly after half time. Tyrone dominated possession and could have had a bigger final score but were a bit wasteful.
Big take away was yet again we got rode by the ref.
Tyrone won that in second gear. Rossies hopeless in the second half. Looked miles off the conditioning needed to compete at the top level.
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Surely that is as clear as black card as there ever has been and still no card.
The pull down on McShane? Very strange decisions, looked a stone wall black
Yes that is the one. Even mcshane was wondering what was going on. Shambles of a ref performance to be honest. Gaa obsessed with changing rules etc to make the game better but have refs like mcgoldrick who cant even apply the current rules correctly to 2 teams in a single game.
Feck ya Rossies. I had ye +4
Mcshane is just turned into a player I never thought he could be. Playing like Donaghy at his pomp right now.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 06:42:44 PM
Yes that is the one. Even mcshane was wondering what was going on. Shambles of a ref performance to be honest. Gaa obsessed with changing rules etc to make the game better but have refs like mcgoldrick who cant even apply the current rules correctly to 2 teams in a single game.
Coldrick, ffs don't let him away with the wrong name!
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 06:42:44 PM
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Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 06:32:08 PM
Surely that is as clear as black card as there ever has been and still no card.
The pull down on McShane? Very strange decisions, looked a stone wall black
Yes that is the one. Even mcshane was wondering what was going on. Shambles of a ref performance to be honest. Gaa obsessed with changing rules etc to make the game better but have refs like mcgoldrick who cant even apply the current rules correctly to 2 teams in a single game.
The whole refereeing shambles needs to be shaken up, with that lad at the front of the queue -- FFS! :-\
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 06:42:44 PM
Quote from: take_yer_points on July 13, 2019, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 06:32:08 PM
Surely that is as clear as black card as there ever has been and still no card.
The pull down on McShane? Very strange decisions, looked a stone wall black
Yes that is the one. Even mcshane was wondering what was going on. Shambles of a ref performance to be honest. Gaa obsessed with changing rules etc to make the game better but have refs like mcgoldrick who cant even apply the current rules correctly to 2 teams in a single game.
Very inconsistent. Seemed like a lot of challenges around the neck. Nothing all day and then pulls a yellow out for one. The McShane one stood out though.
That long ball from Morgan, catch by Sludden and point by Burns (I think) in the first half was a great passage of play. Not sure Sludden should've been allowed to catch that ball.
Cox, Murtagh and Smith were all kept on a leash and there's not really much in the Roscommon team apart from that.
Big games from Donnelly, Harte, Sludden and McShane.
Felt Rory Brennan and McNamee were very good at the back.
Sludden kept us in the game in the first half. Best half I've seen from him in a big game for ages.
Quote from: Rois on July 13, 2019, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 06:42:44 PM
Yes that is the one. Even mcshane was wondering what was going on. Shambles of a ref performance to be honest. Gaa obsessed with changing rules etc to make the game better but have refs like mcgoldrick who cant even apply the current rules correctly to 2 teams in a single game.
Coldrick, ffs don't let him away with the wrong name!
Lol my bad. Dam autocorrect
Quote from: BennyCake on July 13, 2019, 06:43:52 PM
Feck ya Rossies. I had ye +4
I had Tyrone -4. Bookie's always win!
Quote from: Jayop on July 13, 2019, 07:00:00 PM
Sludden kept us in the game in the first half. Best half I've seen from him in a big game for ages.
Niall is a marksman.
Coldrick is an awful referee.
Tyrone looking for an OO parade.
McShane serious baller
Morgan had a great game. Still shite a frees though.
Coldrick had a nightmare. Gave Tyrone some soft yellows but over the course of the game he rode Roscommon. Gave Tyrone so many soft phantom frees and Roscommon couldnt buy a free other end of the field.
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 13, 2019, 09:37:25 PM
Coldrick had a nightmare. Gave Tyrone some soft yellows but over the course of the game he rode Roscommon. Gave Tyrone so many soft phantom frees and Roscommon couldnt buy a free other end of the field.
f**k me. I guess you see what you want to see
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 13, 2019, 09:37:25 PM
Coldrick had a nightmare. Gave Tyrone some soft yellows but over the course of the game he rode Roscommon. Gave Tyrone so many soft phantom frees and Roscommon couldnt buy a free other end of the field.
Exactly, anything he gave ros did not matter, once tyrone went 4 up we were never going to get it back, we could not get any momentum today, that little bit of luck that can get a team going just did not come, have a bit to go yet on sc but cunningham only got the team in mid december, next Sat no gimme for tyrone,hope we can keep a respectable result against the dubs in our neutral venue game, hon the ros.
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 13, 2019, 09:37:25 PM
Coldrick had a nightmare. Gave Tyrone some soft yellows but over the course of the game he rode Roscommon. Gave Tyrone so many soft phantom frees and Roscommon couldnt buy a free other end of the field.
:o :o :o
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 13, 2019, 09:37:25 PM
Coldrick had a nightmare. Gave Tyrone some soft yellows but over the course of the game he rode Roscommon. Gave Tyrone so many soft phantom frees and Roscommon couldnt buy a free other end of the field.
This should be in the WTF thread.
Not the highest of quality of games but a decent competitive contest all the same and far cry from the total mis-match that was played in Croke Park last year between the two.
Tyrone just that little smarter and match sharper on the day. I thought Roscommon did more that enough to find themselves at least level at half time and any underdog have to take the goal chances that came their way 1st half to stand any chance of causing upset.
Tyrone played their best football in the 2nd half displaying serious strength and conditioning the longer that game went on and once they got Cathal McShane more into the game (held scoreless from play 1st half) there was only going to be one winner. On the balance of play over the 70 plus minutes i thought the 4 point margin was a fair reflection of that match
Tyrone were better tonight. Coldrick had a great game.
Good first half, but Rossies not close in reality. Anytime they threatened Tyrone we're into next gear. Every score matched.
Cunningham " it was a game of fine margins and a few calls went against us at a crucial time" :o ;D
I think what he was trying to say is Coldrick stopped favouring us late on when he saw we weren't going to win with his help anyway.
Couldn't make the game but on TV it appeared that the Rossie crowd were hyper manic in the first half. Any contact from a Tyrone man was howled at and demonised and clearly Coldrick bought every single crowd outrage early on. Stupid reffing. When Ros had any sign of an attack the crowd went crazy and it appeared to affect the Ros players in my option. They played with the emotion the crowd projected. Tyrone played clinically and calmly and stepped it up in second half and Ros couldn't live with it.
McShane is getting better every week. I accept we need to keep our defensive more protected but would love to see us leave at least one man up with him. Surely McCurry playing off him would leave us much more dangerous with only a slight impact on our defensive structures.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 13, 2019, 10:59:57 PM
Cunningham " it was a game of fine margins and a few calls went against us at a crucial time" :o ;D
I think what he was trying to say is Coldrick stopped favouring us late on when he saw we weren't going to win with his help anyway.
Give your head serious wobble. Ref rode Roscommon. Better team won but you don't stand a chance when ref favours Tyrone
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 13, 2019, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 13, 2019, 10:59:57 PM
Cunningham " it was a game of fine margins and a few calls went against us at a crucial time" :o ;D
I think what he was trying to say is Coldrick stopped favouring us late on when he saw we weren't going to win with his help anyway.
Give your head serious wobble. Ref rode Roscommon. Better team won but you don't stand a chance when ref favours Tyrone
Ease up on the Ketamine lad.
Ref didn't favour either team. Like all GAA matches he made mistakes. A couple of the Tyrone yellows were too harsh. Blowing the whistle for a Rossie free just as a Ros player was shooting at goal from close range was incorrect. Who knows whether the whistle affected the Ros player, but if that had hit the net, it would have been the worst decision of the match.
The rossie fans were far too pumped up for this match. 2 points scored within 10 minutes and each time you thought they won the match. It was a bit ridiculous and it clearly influenced one of the worst refs about. Everytime tyrone tackled the fans shouted like mad regardless of if it was an actual foul and tyrone got a yellow card. What was the final card count? Tyrone got at least 6 yellows.
Terrible, terrible display by the ref, biased from the start,
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 14, 2019, 12:16:14 AM
Terrible, terrible display by the ref, biased from the start,
Have to agree. If Tyrone keep getting refs like that no even dublin will stop them.easily worth 6 or 7 points a game when ref is your 16th man
And another for ignore
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 13, 2019, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 13, 2019, 10:59:57 PM
Cunningham " it was a game of fine margins and a few calls went against us at a crucial time" :o ;D
I think what he was trying to say is Coldrick stopped favouring us late on when he saw we weren't going to win with his help anyway.
Give your head serious wobble. Ref rode Roscommon. Better team won but you don't stand a chance when ref favours Tyrone
Spot on Ollie the better team won and Tyrone are a fine side. Some huge calls and phantom frees went against us, Tyrone had the 16th man tonight. That said they were the better side and said gobshite from Meath had a few strange calls against them too. Looked like a big penalty call in last 5 mins and did Tyrone score a goal that never was in second half looked like it to me.
Refereeing standards are only getting worse. That was shocking today against Tyrone.
If you all think Coldrick was poor today you must be comparing him to some phantom GAA referees. He was grand. Didn't have an undue influence on the result and in general was better than many other referees. Maybe if the rules were less interpretive and players played with a bit more honesty matches would pass with much less grief given to the man in the middle.
Quote from: Throw ball on July 14, 2019, 01:09:11 AM
If you all think Coldrick was poor today you must be comparing him to some phantom GAA referees. He was grand. Didn't have an undue influence on the result and in general was better than many other referees. Maybe if the rules were less interpretive and players played with a bit more honesty matches would pass with much less grief given to the man in the middle.
. would agree wholeheartedly with all of that. Guaranteed after 10 min of Kerry and Mayo somebody will come on here and say the ref is brutal despite not knowing the rules nor never having reffed a game in there lives.
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 13, 2019, 09:37:25 PM
Coldrick had a nightmare. Gave Tyrone some soft yellows but over the course of the game he rode Roscommon. Gave Tyrone so many soft phantom frees and Roscommon couldnt buy a free other end of the field.
What planet are you on? Absolutely ridiculous yellow cards for McDonnell and Cavanagh. Enda Smith was probably lucky not to get the line in the first minute of the game after striking out at HP McGeary on the ground. A number of the Roscommon frees were extremely soft and the Roscommon management team were even managing to influence the match officials from the sideline.
It was a typical case of match referee folding to a vocal home crowd. He gave you all the favours you wanted or needed.
Did Cavanagh touch the ball on the ground in the square after Morgan saved a shot at goal in the first half? Replays didn't focus on it so it was difficult to see
Quote from: take_yer_points on July 14, 2019, 07:20:40 AM
Did Cavanagh touch the ball on the ground in the square after Morgan saved a shot at goal in the first half? Replays didn't focus on it so it was difficult to see
No.
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 07:06:10 AM
Quote from: oliverkelly on July 13, 2019, 09:37:25 PM
Coldrick had a nightmare. Gave Tyrone some soft yellows but over the course of the game he rode Roscommon. Gave Tyrone so many soft phantom frees and Roscommon couldnt buy a free other end of the field.
What planet are you on? Absolutely ridiculous yellow cards for McDonnell and Cavanagh. Enda Smith was probably lucky not to get the line in the first minute of the game after striking out at HP McGeary on the ground. A number of the Roscommon frees were extremely soft and the Roscommon management team were even managing to influence the match officials from the sideline.
It was a typical case of match referee folding to a vocal home crowd. He gave you all the favours you wanted or needed.
+1
The amount of fouling that he let Tyrone away with was pathetic for an experienced referee and with another experienced (Ulster) ref as linesman.
Surely they should have known what to be looking out for.
Anyway better, stronger, fitter team won.
We needed to score a goal or 2 to win like we did v Galway and Mayowestros but a good save and Enda not seeing a free man.....
We've come a good way in a year but a good bit to go yet.
Can we go that extra bit or have we got it?
Next winter will see to that.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2019, 09:28:17 AM
The amount of fouling that he let Tyrone away with was pathetic for an experienced referee and with another experienced (Ulster) ref as linesman.
Surely they should have known what to be looking out for.
Think you need to get your eyes checked.
I wonder what the reaction of Roscommon fans would be to a referee who actually screws you as Coldrick was bowing to the baying of the home crowd at every turn yesterday. The Ben McDonnell yellow card was a classic example, Cregg goes down holding his head, the crowd go into a frenzy and McDonnell gets a yellow card for an innocuous looking tackle. McGeary and Cavanagh also ended up with yellow cards after the awards of frees which weren't even fouls. Enda Smith probably should have had a red and a couple of yellows before he even got booked.
Luckily it didn't matter in the end but Coldrick gave Roscommon everything yesterday.
Your number 9!!
Harte hauled him off immediately when he should have got a red.
Ironic that you mention Colm Cavanagh.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2019, 10:17:25 AM
Your number 9!!
Harte hauled him off immediately when he should have got a red.
Ironic that you mention Colm Cavanagh.
Why should Kennedy have got a red card? Coldrick was letting Roscommon players off with head high tackles all game long.
Rossfan red card my hole,Tyrone won game in second gear for most of the game.
Quote from: Jayop on July 13, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
Mcshane is just turned into a player I never thought he could be. Playing like Donaghy at his pomp right now.
Plunkett would be proud.
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 10:23:45 AM
Rossfan red card my hole,Tyrone won game in second gear for most of the game.
Yup. Tyrone were never in trouble at any point yesterday.
Reality check
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 10:23:45 AM
Rossfan red card my hole,Tyrone won game in second gear for most of the game.
You'll do nothing when you expect referees to do your bidding for you. RossFan clearly believes referees should bend the rules for Roscommon.
Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.
It's the deep rooted paranoia, it trumps any attempt for a rational perspective. Everybody is out to get Tyronies, the BBC, RTE, media, Brolly, Spillane, condescending Kerry supporters, refs, all refs, all refs past present and future.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.
Because we are generally the last Ulster team standing in the past 20 years. It brings about resentment and jealousy.
Why do your neighbours hate ye? Is it because you don't like a fair fight?
What chance does a referee have. When one has a decent game he still gets slaughtered. He made a few mistakes but he was generally fair to both teams. When you talk about the McDonnell yellow that is an example of the interpretive nature of the rules. The Roscommon player went down and held his head. In a split second the referee decided that the tackle was therefore a yellow. Too many times players try to con the referee by feigning head injuries. Is that the referees fault or the players? For the record I was roaring at the TV after that challenge for the Roscommon player to get up. After a couple of replays I saw he may well have hit his head on the ground. The referee has no chance.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.
Now we know why Ballaghaderreen declare for Mayo.
They have our sympathies.
Tyrone took Cregger out of the game with 2 big hits just before half time, got 2 yellows for it but the punishment does not fit the crime, very cynical from tyrone off the ball all match and totally ignored by all those great match officials.
That said Tyrone were the more controlled team and their 17 seasons in top flight football showed in match management, cuteness and experience.
If ros can keep this management team together they have 5 first choice players to return, McInerney, Comptom, C Murtagh Harney and Deveney, all missing for different reasons, also Cathal Heneghan who will be a very top class player. The future should be bright if we can keep it together but running a county team on a budget like the rossies have to do year in year out is not easy.
The McDonnell yellow was the clearest example of a ref bending to the crowds will. You'd swear to god that Cregg was viciously assaulted even though it was a harsh enough call to even give a free. A ref's job is to remain objective at all times but he's only human and clearly the crowd reaction primed him to make the wrong call.
Angelo makes an interesting point. Those watching on Sky would have heard Senan Connell reporting from the sideline that the Roscommon bench went straight up to Cavan Joe on the sideline to tell him to watch for the 20yard encroachment on Morgan's kickouts after they were rightly called up. The very next kixkout out Cavan Joe duly flagged up an infringement that was clearly wrong as the player was on the line not inside.
BTW, what a stupid rule. It should only apply to the player receiving the ball.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:51:57 AM
Tyrone took Cregger out of the game with 2 big hits just before half time, got 2 yellows for it but the punishment does not fit the crime, very cynical from tyrone off the ball all match and totally ignored by all those great match officials.
That said Tyrone were the more controlled team and their 17 seasons in top flight football showed in match management, cuteness and experience.
If ros can keep this management team together they have 5 first choice players to return, McInerney, Comptom, C Murtagh Harney and Deveney, all missing for different reasons, also Cathal Heneghan who will be a very top class player. The future should be bright if we can keep it together but running a county team on a budget like the rossies have to do year in year out is not easy.
McDonnell's tackle on Cregg was an innocuous foul, Cregg went down belatedly holding his head when there was absolutely no contact with it. He was hit fairly by Cavanagh in the next passage and Coldrick bizarrely gave him the free and booked McGeary for tackling him after it.
Cregg spent the whole game throwing himself to ground. The margin of victory would have been a lot wider had Coldrick reffed both sides under the same rules. I lost count about the amount of times Roscommon players swung a Tyrone man around by the neck and got away with a booking. HP McGeary was struck in the face when on the ground by Enda Smith in the first 50 seconds of the game after he had been fouled, it happened right in front of the linesman but nothing was done about it, McGeary to his credit got up off the ground fairly quickly and didn't make much of it but it was a certain red card had the referee seen it and done his job.
Quote from: Kurtz on July 14, 2019, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 10:23:45 AM
Rossfan red card my hole,Tyrone won game in second gear for most of the game.
Yup. Tyrone were never in trouble at any point yesterday.
Reality check
The game was very much in the melting pot 1st half and Roscommon could or should have led at the break, the fact they didn't came back to haunt and goals that was vital in the wins v Galway,Mayo didn't come v Tyrone.
I don't think losing to last years AI finalists by 4 points can be considered a reality check. Last years trimming v Tyrone in Croke Park certainly was and was one of the main reasons why Kevin McStay and his management stepped down.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.
My Da's bigger than your Da and he'll be round to you! :P
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 14, 2019, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: Kurtz on July 14, 2019, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 10:23:45 AM
Rossfan red card my hole,Tyrone won game in second gear for most of the game.
Yup. Tyrone were never in trouble at any point yesterday.
Reality check
The game was very much in the melting pot 1st half and Roscommon could or should have led at the break, the fact they didn't came back to haunt and goals that was vital in the wins v Galway,Mayo didn't come v Tyrone.
I don't think losing to last years AI finalists by 4 points can be considered a reality check. Last years trimming v Tyrone in Croke Park certainly was and was one of the main reasons why Kevin McStay and his management stepped down.
No it wasn't Rossies still waste too much possession
Scoring average is still not good enough to trouble top teams
Missed chances still don't count in any sport
Thought Coldrick had a decent enough game made a few mistakes, (what ref doesn't over the course of 70+mins) a couple of the yellows were harsh, but I would still agree that they were frees. He missed a couple of frees on both sides, but wouldn't agree that he rode either side.
The challenges by McDonnell and Cavanagh both looked awkward from the refs point of view. As someone said early Cregg hit his head off the ground after the challenge by McDonnell which probably did more damage than the hit.
Tyrone were clearly the better side from the off and never looked like they were going to be troubled. Bit like Dublin in the second game. Got scores easier and definitely had another gear in them.
In my opinion, the refereeing standards are set by the semi finals and final. Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal, Dublin are honing the acceptable levels of cynicism that are permitted on the big stage. At present, these are essential if you are to come within an arses hair of Dublin as they are now the masters of the so called 'Dark Arts'-3rd man taking out the tackler, blocking runs, miniscule tugs of the jersey-(this is not a dig at Dublin, by the way) If the GAA are serious about consistency, you start with the final as setting the standard (with the best officials and technology in the country) and then roll it out across the competition. We need to get away from 'sure it's the final' mentality.
Quote from: Whishtup on July 14, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
In my opinion, the refereeing standards are set by the semi finals and final. Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal, Dublin are honing the acceptable levels of cynicism that are permitted on the big stage. At present, these are essential if you are to come within an arses hair of Dublin as they are now the masters of the so called 'Dark Arts'-3rd man taking out the tackler, blocking runs, miniscule tugs of the jersey-(this is not a dig at Dublin, by the way) If the GAA are serious about consistency, you start with the final as setting the standard (with the best officials and technology in the country) and then roll it out across the competition. We need to get away from 'sure it's the final' mentality.
Mayo were masters of this all through the league
Refs pretty much ignored it. But if this is how the game will be played
Then so be it, the other teams need to do it too or they won't win anything
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.
Now we know why Ballaghaderreen declare for Mayo.
They have our sympathies.
Such juvenile nonsense that belongs on Facebook. Can ye not debate football like men and women. I'm from Ballaghaderreen and will be Ros til I die. As for the game, Tyrone were clearly the better team and congrats on the win. Barring a shock now, both Tyrone and Dublin should qualify but I live in hope that some something interesting will happen next weekend. We looked very sluggish. That could be the 5 week layoff which Connacht Council will need to do something about in planning games, or just that we are still not at the pace of the top teams. We had to work very hard for our scores and got some great ones and unfortunately missed some easy ones. Realistically we needed a couple of goals to win this one and to maintain a clean sheet. We were unlucky in the former and lucky in the latter. That said I was optimistic at halft time as the breeze began to pickup. I thought we might see more long range efforts like we did in the league with the breeze in our favor but Tyrone controlled the second half very well. Never got to grips with McShane who will give Player of the Year a fair rattle this year. The wait to beat Tyrone goes on. While closer, we are still a good bit off at championship level. But lets see what next weekend brings. I have a feel there is a twist in this group yet.
Hard to see any twist after yesterday.
Have to say any of the small Tyrone crowd I met yesterday seemed sound enough.
As we don't score enough points in our more defensive gameplan this year goals are vital as shown in the 3 Connacht games.
Even Leitrim had more points on the board against us till they fell away/packed it in in the closing stages.
Hard to see us changing our style next week whatever about the likely dead rubber in Páirc Uí Rinn/Chaoimh.
Quote from: Estimator on July 14, 2019, 12:41:00 PM
Thought Coldrick had a decent enough game made a few mistakes, (what ref doesn't over the course of 70+mins) a couple of the yellows were harsh, but I would still agree that they were frees. He missed a couple of frees on both sides, but wouldn't agree that he rode either side.
The challenges by McDonnell and Cavanagh both looked awkward from the refs point of view. As someone said early Cregg hit his head off the ground after the challenge by McDonnell which probably did more damage than the hit.
Tyrone were clearly the better side from the off and never looked like they were going to be troubled. Bit like Dublin in the second game. Got scores easier and definitely had another gear in them.
Did someone imagine Cregg hitting his head off the ground too? His head had no contact with either McDonnell or the ground.
This thread is great craic. Keep it going lads...
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Quote from: Kurtz on July 14, 2019, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 14, 2019, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: Kurtz on July 14, 2019, 10:26:56 AM
Quote from: skeog on July 14, 2019, 10:23:45 AM
Rossfan red card my hole,Tyrone won game in second gear for most of the game.
Yup. Tyrone were never in trouble at any point yesterday.
Reality check
The game was very much in the melting pot 1st half and Roscommon could or should have led at the break, the fact they didn't came back to haunt and goals that was vital in the wins v Galway,Mayo didn't come v Tyrone.
I don't think losing to last years AI finalists by 4 points can be considered a reality check. Last years trimming v Tyrone in Croke Park certainly was and was one of the main reasons why Kevin McStay and his management stepped down.
No it wasn’t Rossies still waste too much possession
Scoring average is still not good enough to trouble top teams
Missed chances still don’t count in any sport
No what wasn't, that Roscommon could have led at half time?
Possession stakes especially 1st half was good from Roscommon. Tyrone had more of vice grip on possession 2nd half. Scoring average is rarely high against well organized defences as Tyrone's defence is, for example Mayo's last championship game v Tyrone was won with scoring just 0-13.
Main reason why Roscommon couldn't be competitive v the top teams was because they were ropey in defence. The missed chances yesterday they didn't miss v Galway and Mayo was my point and those misses proved costly in the end.
Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 14, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
Now I know why ye're neighbours all detest ye.
They have my sympathies.
Now we know why Ballaghaderreen declare for Mayo.
They have our sympathies.
Such juvenile nonsense that belongs on Facebook. Can ye not debate football like men and women. I'm from Ballaghaderreen and will be Ros til I die. As for the game, Tyrone were clearly the better team and congrats on the win. Barring a shock now, both Tyrone and Dublin should qualify but I live in hope that some something interesting will happen next weekend. We looked very sluggish. That could be the 5 week layoff which Connacht Council will need to do something about in planning games, or just that we are still not at the pace of the top teams. We had to work very hard for our scores and got some great ones and unfortunately missed some easy ones. Realistically we needed a couple of goals to win this one and to maintain a clean sheet. We were unlucky in the former and lucky in the latter. That said I was optimistic at halft time as the breeze began to pickup. I thought we might see more long range efforts like we did in the league with the breeze in our favor but Tyrone controlled the second half very well. Never got to grips with McShane who will give Player of the Year a fair rattle this year. The wait to beat Tyrone goes on. While closer, we are still a good bit off at championship level. But lets see what next weekend brings. I have a feel there is a twist in this group yet.
People still use Facebook ?
you know they are mining your data right
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:51:57 AM
Tyrone took Cregger out of the game with 2 big hits just before half time, got 2 yellows for it but the punishment does not fit the crime, very cynical from tyrone off the ball all match and totally ignored by all those great match officials.
That said Tyrone were the more controlled team and their 17 seasons in top flight football showed in match management, cuteness and experience.
If ros can keep this management team together they have 5 first choice players to return, McInerney, Comptom, C Murtagh Harney and Deveney, all missing for different reasons, also Cathal Heneghan who will be a very top class player. The future should be bright if we can keep it together but running a county team on a budget like the rossies have to do year in year out is not easy.
McDonnell's tackle on Cregg was an innocuous foul, Cregg went down belatedly holding his head when there was absolutely no contact with it. He was hit fairly by Cavanagh in the next passage and Coldrick bizarrely gave him the free and booked McGeary for tackling him after it.
Cregg spent the whole game throwing himself to ground. The margin of victory would have been a lot wider had Coldrick reffed both sides under the same rules. I lost count about the amount of times Roscommon players swung a Tyrone man around by the neck and got away with a booking. HP McGeary was struck in the face when on the ground by Enda Smith in the first 50 seconds of the game after he had been fouled, it happened right in front of the linesman but nothing was done about it, McGeary to his credit got up off the ground fairly quickly and didn't make much of it but it was a certain red card had the referee seen it and done his job.
https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21 (https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21)
Said incident with HP McGeary and Smith.
Note the position of the linesman and ref.
Can't help but remember the noise whenever Tyrone players are involved in unsavory incidents. Won't be as much fuss about this I'm sure. Also hard to ignore the fact Tyrone players were given a lot of yellow cards for 'high tackles' and the initial foul by Smith is high up on HP. No card obviously.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 11:41:45 PM
The rossie fans were far too pumped up for this match. 2 points scored within 10 minutes and each time you thought they won the match. It was a bit ridiculous and it clearly influenced one of the worst refs about. Everytime tyrone tackled the fans shouted like mad regardless of if it was an actual foul and tyrone got a yellow card. What was the final card count? Tyrone got at least 6 yellows.
How can they have been "too pumped up" and yet influence the ref? Surely influencing the ref is the point of having a partisan home crowd. Sounds to me like the Ross fans did their bit
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Quote from: tyrone08 on July 13, 2019, 11:41:45 PM
The rossie fans were far too pumped up for this match. 2 points scored within 10 minutes and each time you thought they won the match. It was a bit ridiculous and it clearly influenced one of the worst refs about. Everytime tyrone tackled the fans shouted like mad regardless of if it was an actual foul and tyrone got a yellow card. What was the final card count? Tyrone got at least 6 yellows.
How can they have been "too pumped up" and yet influence the ref? Surely influencing the ref is the point of having a partisan home crowd. Sounds to me like the Ross fans did their bit
The point of having a home support is to cheer the team on, not to bully the referee into making bad calls.
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Tyrone took Cregger out of the game with 2 big hits just before half time, got 2 yellows for it but the punishment does not fit the crime, very cynical from tyrone off the ball all match and totally ignored by all those great match officials.
That said Tyrone were the more controlled team and their 17 seasons in top flight football showed in match management, cuteness and experience.
If ros can keep this management team together they have 5 first choice players to return, McInerney, Comptom, C Murtagh Harney and Deveney, all missing for different reasons, also Cathal Heneghan who will be a very top class player. The future should be bright if we can keep it together but running a county team on a budget like the rossies have to do year in year out is not easy.
McDonnell's tackle on Cregg was an innocuous foul, Cregg went down belatedly holding his head when there was absolutely no contact with it. He was hit fairly by Cavanagh in the next passage and Coldrick bizarrely gave him the free and booked McGeary for tackling him after it.
Cregg spent the whole game throwing himself to ground. The margin of victory would have been a lot wider had Coldrick reffed both sides under the same rules. I lost count about the amount of times Roscommon players swung a Tyrone man around by the neck and got away with a booking. HP McGeary was struck in the face when on the ground by Enda Smith in the first 50 seconds of the game after he had been fouled, it happened right in front of the linesman but nothing was done about it, McGeary to his credit got up off the ground fairly quickly and didn't make much of it but it was a certain red card had the referee seen it and done his job.
https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21 (https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21)
Said incident with HP McGeary and Smith.
Note the position of the linesman and ref.
Can't help but remember the noise whenever Tyrone players are involved in unsavory incidents. Won't be as much fuss about this I'm sure. Also hard to ignore the fact Tyrone players were given a lot of yellow cards for 'high tackles' and the initial foul by Smith is high up on HP. No card obviously.
Have to say it was frustrating at the time, but always easier to take when winning. I can imagine how annoyed you'd feel if the game had been decided on some of the calls. But debating a bad refereeing display on here is a bit like a circle, pointless. Move on for the next one. Cork obviously looked up for the Dub game given their start. I'm just hoping that has knocked the wind out of their sails a bit.
Last year we were all saying that we were badly missing a Marque forward to do the damage in the vein of a Murphy, McManus, (insert any number of dubs). Is McShane developed enough to offer Tyrone that? Certainly has the talent and has cut out the wastefulness (Mostly). McShane, Donnelly and Harte are three top class players if they can click. Also Sludden when on form can be brilliant. But it's took a while coming this year.
Fancy Kerry to run Dublin close this year.
Dirty act by Smith there. Wasn't there a Ros man earlier lamenting a lack of red card for big Kennedy when he made a significantly less dangerous connection to the head area?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 14, 2019, 10:18:57 PM
Dirty act by Smith there. Wasn't there a Ros man earlier lamenting a lack of red card for big Kennedy when he made a significantly less dangerous connection to the head area?
Kennedy attempted to tackle a lad with an open hand who was ducking and falling forward.
Smith must have been attempting to punch the ground but Hugh Pat's head got in the way.
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
You've a vivid imagination. Will the Roscommon media be running a match report this week on how they beat Tyrone as they bid to defend their All Ireland title or does the delusion extend only to the performance of the referee?
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
It's the exact same as the cavan player who punched meyler in the jaw, it's all forgotten about as it wasn't a Tyrone player doing it. Best just to keep these clips until some stupid person questions a potential foul by a Tyrone player then post it.
Any natural can clearly see what has been going on the last 2 weeks against Tyrone. Its clear that there will be more "missed"incidents against tyrone players in the next few weeks
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
How is it a foul after he hits the shot? It's a follow through.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 14, 2019, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
How is it a foul after he hits the shot? It's a follow through.
An elbow shoulder in the back as he was shooting is a penalty. Given the soft scorable frees he gave Tyrone all day, he somehow missed that. Worse it sent Smith sprawling against post injured and he was not the same player after that. Double advantage to Tyrone there.
It fits into the narrative to pin anything unsavoury on Tyrone and ignore all other incidents carried out by other teams.
Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2019, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 14, 2019, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
How is it a foul after he hits the shot? It's a follow through.
An elbow shoulder in the back as he was shooting is a penalty. Given the soft scorable frees he gave Tyrone all day, he somehow missed that. Worse it sent Smith sprawling against post injured and he was not the same player after that. Double advantage to Tyrone there.
It wasn't a foul. It was Smith's momentum and striking a ball off balance that brought him into the post. It's not netball.
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:22:35 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2019, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 14, 2019, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
How is it a foul after he hits the shot? It's a follow through.
An elbow shoulder in the back as he was shooting is a penalty. Given the soft scorable frees he gave Tyrone all day, he somehow missed that. Worse it sent Smith sprawling against post injured and he was not the same player after that. Double advantage to Tyrone there.
It wasn't a foul. It was Smith's momentum and striking a ball off balance that brought him into the post. It's not netball.
Not only was it a foul. He was fouled twice on that run. But in GAA big men who are strong runners have to be hauled to the ground before they will get a free.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 14, 2019, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
It's the exact same as the cavan player who punched meyler in the jaw, it's all forgotten about as it wasn't a Tyrone player doing it. Best just to keep these clips until some stupid person questions a potential foul by a Tyrone player then post it.
Any natural can clearly see what has been going on the last 2 weeks against Tyrone. Its clear that there will be more "missed"incidents against tyrone players in the next few weeks
The Sunday game did a piece on Roscommons persistent fouling and all Brolly could really say was "these Tyrone boys are looking for it".
Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2019, 11:27:55 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:22:35 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 14, 2019, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 14, 2019, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
How is it a foul after he hits the shot? It's a follow through.
An elbow shoulder in the back as he was shooting is a penalty. Given the soft scorable frees he gave Tyrone all day, he somehow missed that. Worse it sent Smith sprawling against post injured and he was not the same player after that. Double advantage to Tyrone there.
It wasn't a foul. It was Smith's momentum and striking a ball off balance that brought him into the post. It's not netball.
Not only was it a foul. He was fouled twice on that run. But in GAA big men who are strong runners have to be hauled to the ground before they will get a free.
Well imagined.
He broke a tackle and should have created a better angle for himself of fisted it across the goal.
He shouldn't have been on the pitch at that stage in the first place.
The Tyrone armchair brigade in fill flow this weekend.
Tyrone no 9 should have been carded.
Should have been a penalty for the late foul on Enda.
Enda probably unable to work this week due to the amount of bruising from non stop off the ball assaults by St. Micky's Choirboys.
Colm Cavanagh ...how many personal fouls.
Coldrick and McQuillan hang ye're heads in shame for copping out of enforcing the rules against the nastys.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 15, 2019, 01:44:38 AM
The Tyrone armchair brigade in fill flow this weekend.
Tyrone no 9 should have been carded.
Should have been a penalty for the late foul on Enda.
Enda probably unable to work this week due to the amount of bruising from non stop off the ball assaults by St. Micky's Choirboys.
Colm Cavanagh ...how many personal fouls.
Coldrick and McQuillan hang ye're heads in shame for copping out of enforcing the rules against the nastys.
Rossfan, no matter how hard you try, you are just a pound shop Syferus. I miss him.
tyrone are playing one of the big counties or should i say one of the big counties with pull in the gaa next weekend and I am sure this match will be reft differently than last saturdays.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 15, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
tyrone are playing one of the big counties or should i say one of the big counties with pull in the gaa next weekend and I am sure this match will be reft differently than last saturdays.
I certainly hope so.
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
You've a vivid imagination. Will the Roscommon media be running a match report this week on how they beat Tyrone as they bid to defend their All Ireland title or does the delusion extend only to the performance of the referee?
They are always like that, the most delusional fans in the country. Won Connacht this year and you had grown Rossie men crying like it was Leitrim circa 1994
Quote from: iorras on July 15, 2019, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
You've a vivid imagination. Will the Roscommon media be running a match report this week on how they beat Tyrone as they bid to defend their All Ireland title or does the delusion extend only to the performance of the referee?
They are always like that, the most delusional fans in the country. Won Connacht this year and you had grown Rossie men crying like it was Leitrim circa 1994
The above brought to you by a Mayoman. Doing delusion better than anyone for 70 odd years.
Quote from: weareros on July 15, 2019, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: iorras on July 15, 2019, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
You've a vivid imagination. Will the Roscommon media be running a match report this week on how they beat Tyrone as they bid to defend their All Ireland title or does the delusion extend only to the performance of the referee?
They are always like that, the most delusional fans in the country. Won Connacht this year and you had grown Rossie men crying like it was Leitrim circa 1994
The above brought to you by a Mayoman. Doing delusion better than anyone for 70 odd years.
nice to crying for joy after a final though😊..if Mayo weren't so cocky about Roscommon they'd wouldn't be worn out and in danger of crashing out to a fresh young Meath team..
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 11:28:50 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 14, 2019, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
It's the exact same as the cavan player who punched meyler in the jaw, it's all forgotten about as it wasn't a Tyrone player doing it. Best just to keep these clips until some stupid person questions a potential foul by a Tyrone player then post it.
Any natural can clearly see what has been going on the last 2 weeks against Tyrone. Its clear that there will be more "missed"incidents against tyrone players in the next few weeks
The Sunday game did a piece on Roscommons persistent fouling and all Brolly could really say was "these Tyrone boys are looking for it".
The Sunday game pointed out that tyrone got a free every time a finger was laid on them unlike ros who could not buy a free from coldrick.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 15, 2019, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 11:28:50 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 14, 2019, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
It's the exact same as the cavan player who punched meyler in the jaw, it's all forgotten about as it wasn't a Tyrone player doing it. Best just to keep these clips until some stupid person questions a potential foul by a Tyrone player then post it.
Any natural can clearly see what has been going on the last 2 weeks against Tyrone. Its clear that there will be more "missed"incidents against tyrone players in the next few weeks
The Sunday game did a piece on Roscommons persistent fouling and all Brolly could really say was "these Tyrone boys are looking for it".
The Sunday game pointed out that tyrone got a free every time a finger was laid on them unlike ros who could not buy a free from coldrick.
Or, Tyrone are better at not giving away soft frees in scorable positions
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 15, 2019, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 11:28:50 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 14, 2019, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
It's the exact same as the cavan player who punched meyler in the jaw, it's all forgotten about as it wasn't a Tyrone player doing it. Best just to keep these clips until some stupid person questions a potential foul by a Tyrone player then post it.
Any natural can clearly see what has been going on the last 2 weeks against Tyrone. Its clear that there will be more "missed"incidents against tyrone players in the next few weeks
The Sunday game did a piece on Roscommons persistent fouling and all Brolly could really say was "these Tyrone boys are looking for it".
The Sunday game pointed out that tyrone got a free every time a finger was laid on them unlike ros who could not buy a free from coldrick.
They pointed out that Roscommon gave away a number of needless, idiotic frees due to their shocking indiscipline. Brolly just got the number wrong, he claimed Tyrone got 5 frees in the first half when I think it was actually only 2 or 3.
Some scandalously uninformed horseshite being passed off on this thread and in the media in general as regards this game.
Coldrick ballsed up some yellow card decisions but on the balance of play got most things right the last day, it was far from the worst refereeing display I've ever seen and to be fair to those yellow cards it was exceptionally physical and hard-hitting with a fair degree of off the ball stuff from both sides. It was far from a easy game to ref and I fully expected a player from one of the sides to see a second yellow during the game, to be fair to Coldrick he just about managed to keep a lid on things without having to send anyone off.
I was very impressed by Tyrone and by default Roscommon on Saturday. As regards Ros they're a completely different animal to the side McStay had last year, he's just wasn't at the cut of top level management. Had the necessary level of cynicism needed to match the big boys and were clever in breaking down our blanket defence in the first half. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and couldn't help but think Cunningham is styling a fair bit of Roscommon's game on Tyrone's. The first half was like one team playing against a mirror. Both used zonal marking on kickouts and were prepared to concede one to the corner back before retreating in defensive formation at the halfway line. Both relied on a patient running game with an occasional longer kick pass into physically big but mobile inside forwards. Both had detailed man-markers to key men and both sides were pulling and dragging to impede players off the ball. Peter Harte and Enda Smith in particular were singled out for close "attention". It was no surprise really that it was blow for blow for 45 minutes before Tyrone got the upper hand.
There was a lot of pressure on Tyrone attacks which made the point scoring in the first half particularly notable. Sludden was amazing, picked his form up of the floor with 3 wonder points. Brennan and McNamee rode their luck a fair bit but all will be reasonably happy to have held their men to a point each from play. A goal would have been a really really telling score for either team and Ros looked the much more likely whilst the game was still in the melting pot. It's probably a testament to the defensive philosophies of the sides that this was the only Super 8 tie not to raise a green flag.
Harte, Donnelly and McShane really turned this tie in that period where we rattled 3-4 points in succession. I thought their contribution was really telling in that period which was a bonus because none of the 3 had really been having marque days until that point. Our handling and distribution was for the most part top class and for me that was the difference in the teams. Roscommon were guilty of spilling the ball on a few occasions especially in really dangerous positions and for me that's why we took the points. It's nothing to do with a 5 week layoff, lack of conditioning or "over emotion" (for fucks sake).
As regards the downsides; Harte, Morgan and McShane all missing frees really pissed me off. McShane's last miss was the worst because he should have put it down for Morgan but took on one outside his range and put it to waste despite being well within Morgans capability. Burns, once again, is a real curates egg. He appears incredibly slack in defence and at times one dimensional and greedy when attacking. Ballooned a ball wide from 50m in the opening minutes, on a day marked by clever and patient attacking by both sides it stood out as particularly brainless. However he has an engine to cover ground surpassed only by Meyler and Matty Donnelly and Harte has alot of faith in him, regularly giving him the 70 minutes so he's definitely seeing something important in him. He's definitely filling an important role for this side but I can't put my finger on what it is.
Meyler and Brennan have solidified this team two fold since their inclusion. I can't think of a singe game were Rory Brennan has put a foot wrong in a Tyrone shirt and it's mind-blowing that for so long and for so many people (including management) he has been seen as a dispensable option in the side. The anti-Harte brigade love to pillar him for dropping or overlooking Lee Brennan, Bradley, Ronan O'Neill and Coney but leaving R Brennan out of the side for so long is probably a much more worthy criticism that any of those. Morgan had a good day on kickouts and shot-stopping but there'll be days when were pressed much much harder than this and that defence can't get complacent and believe that they now have the restart mastered.
I've a lot of hope going forward and Ros should have too. Far too little credit is given in the mainstream media for any of our victories and this isn't a "world against Tyrone" tirade. We knocked out Cork, Donegal, Meath, Cavan and Roscommon (more or less) in last years championship and all 5 have showed in games since to actually be top footballing sides who can mix it with the best and beat the best. In every instance last year those victories were dismissed with the analysis "ah sure they're shite/they're on the downslope/they don't know what they're at". Taking on a in-form Rossie side away from home in front of a partisan crowd and coming away with a disciplined victory is a huge achievement and Ros should be far from disappointed by their performance. Tyrone's performance and result at the weekend was every bit as noteworthy as Kerry tanking an ageing, injured Mayo at home.
One last thing, HP McGeary was assigned to mark Geariod McKiernan the last day v Cavan and completely nullified one of Cavan's main performers. He stuck to him, hounded and harassed him around the park and completely put McKiernan off his game. It was no suprise to see him pick up Smith on Sunday given he had just a week previously nullified a players who's game is almost a carbon copy of Smiths. He strayed over the lines of the rule book whilst trying to mark Smith and was correctly given a yellow card. That doesn't excuse what Smith done. I was in the crowd and clearly seen that he struck Hugh Pat in the head whilst he was on the ground. How the ref but particularly the linesman standing in front of the incidence missed it is baffling. I could mitigate it by saying it mightn't have been a punch/I'm sure Smith regrets being so reckless/he doesn't seem to be a dirty player etc but all the same it was an unsporting action and should have been a red card at the time. There's none of the usual twitteratti / TSG hysteria accompanying this that would have been the case were it a player like Neil McGee/ Tiernan McCann/ Eoin Kerins which to me reaffirms my belief certain players/teams are held to different standards than the rest.
What did HP actually do to Smith to get his yellow? Wasn't shown on TV and it seemed like either they couldn't find video of it or they forgot to look.
Smith's punch was a fairly dirty act, McCann was rightly called out by everyone for his dirty actions against Donegal and what Smith did was every bit as bad but in all the analysis I've read or heard since the game apart from on here there's not been a single mention of it.
As for the ref, I said thoughout the game I thought he was reffing the game well in terms of calling fouls, didn't miss much and I don't think either side should complain about that but the Rossies will because they know they haven't a leg to stand on with the card count so have to come up with some nonsense to deflect.
Smtih should have had a red, another black should have been handed out late in the game for the throw of McShane to the ground. Probably the most blatent black I've ever seen and after seeing some of the cards we've had in the last few weeks it was terrible it was missed. Some of the other yellows we got were beyond a joke.
It's not just this game that has us boiling over this. It's constant these days and coming on the heels of the Cavan match where the card count was again farcical then you have to wonder is it more than just simple reffing errors.
Fine post trileacman.
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
What did HP actually do to Smith to get his yellow? Wasn't shown on TV and it seemed like either they couldn't find video of it or they forgot to look.
Smith's punch was a fairly dirty act, McCann was rightly called out by everyone for his dirty actions against Donegal and what Smith did was every bit as bad but in all the analysis I've read or heard since the game apart from on here there's not been a single mention of it.
As for the ref, I said thoughout the game I thought he was reffing the game well in terms of calling fouls, didn't miss much and I don't think either side should complain about that but the Rossies will because they know they haven't a leg to stand on with the card count so have to come up with some nonsense to deflect.
Smtih should have had a red, another black should have been handed out late in the game for the throw of McShane to the ground. Probably the most blatent black I've ever seen and after seeing some of the cards we've had in the last few weeks it was terrible it was missed. Some of the other yellows we got were beyond a joke.
It's not just this game that has us boiling over this. It's constant these days and coming on the heels of the Cavan match where the card count was again farcical then you have to wonder is it more than just simple reffing errors.
You obviously watched the match at home on tv. It's alot easier to call a yellow card fair/unfair having watched a succession of slow motion replays from your sofa. David Coldrick got one look at it happening at full pelt through a sea of bodies. They aren't easy calls to make. Add in the fact that players are going down clutching their head and faces for any contact of note and the difficulty in discerning the "truth" in a tackle is very difficult for anyone. To be fair to Coldrick he held back all day on issuing reds and blacks probably because he didn't see an instance where he could be 100% sure that it was definitely a black or definitely a red. It's a much greater injustice to have a player incorrectly sent off than to have a opposition player dealt with leniently.
I haven't seen the highlights yet barring Smiths strike on McGeary. For the record from the one look at the yellows I got on Saturday I couldn't definitively say that any of the cards dealt out were harsh with the exception of Ben McDonnells. Colly threw himself about recklessly all day and my heart was in my mouth watching him tackle because so many of them appeared rash and mistimed.
I'd completely disagree with what you said about McCann being rightly called out. I think there was a lot of hysteria around that incident that was unfair on an amateur player and I've seen it many times before in the GAA sadly. He deserved his ban but not the holier than thou condemnation from the "fur coat/no knickers" brigade. Conor Gormley, Diarmurd Connolly, Noel O'Leary, Francy Bellew, Neil McGee, Paul Galvin to name but a few have all been on the end of the "he's a disgrace/tr**p/coward/should be banned for life/never set foot on a pitch again" hand wringing. It's fuelled by two things; the sensationalism of certain Sunday Game analysts and old-fashioned Irish begrudgery. First it happens to a player from your country and old foes cry bloody murder so you bide your time until it's some other poor bstard's turn and then stick the boot into him.
Not sure the specific incident Patsy was carded for but he was hanging out of Smith for the early part of the game. It was certainly not a particularly unjust yellow. My only qualm with it was that Petey Harte is consistently targeted for special treatment of the ball, mainly because it's so effective, but I've yet to see a ref try to stamp it out. Matty Donnelly and McShane are physically powerful enough to counter such attention and the likes of Sludden have the yard of pace that make jersey pulling and holding so much more obvious to referees. Peter Harte doesn't have the size or pace to counter "off the ball" tactics but because he's such a vital cog in the Tyrone machine it's now a traditional tactic of nullifying Tyrone and it's very cynical. John Small does give him a horrid time off the ball when Tyrone play Dublin.
Quote from: trileacman on July 16, 2019, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
What did HP actually do to Smith to get his yellow? Wasn't shown on TV and it seemed like either they couldn't find video of it or they forgot to look.
Smith's punch was a fairly dirty act, McCann was rightly called out by everyone for his dirty actions against Donegal and what Smith did was every bit as bad but in all the analysis I've read or heard since the game apart from on here there's not been a single mention of it.
As for the ref, I said thoughout the game I thought he was reffing the game well in terms of calling fouls, didn't miss much and I don't think either side should complain about that but the Rossies will because they know they haven't a leg to stand on with the card count so have to come up with some nonsense to deflect.
Smtih should have had a red, another black should have been handed out late in the game for the throw of McShane to the ground. Probably the most blatent black I've ever seen and after seeing some of the cards we've had in the last few weeks it was terrible it was missed. Some of the other yellows we got were beyond a joke.
It's not just this game that has us boiling over this. It's constant these days and coming on the heels of the Cavan match where the card count was again farcical then you have to wonder is it more than just simple reffing errors.
You obviously watched the match at home on tv. It's alot easier to call a yellow card fair/unfair having watched a succession of slow motion replays from your sofa. David Coldrick got one look at it happening at full pelt through a sea of bodies. They aren't easy calls to make. Add in the fact that players are going down clutching their head and faces for any contact of note and the difficulty in discerning the "truth" in a tackle is very difficult for anyone. To be fair to Coldrick he held back all day on issuing reds and blacks probably because he didn't see an instance where he could be 100% sure that it was definitely a black or definitely a red. It's a much greater injustice to have a player incorrectly sent off than to have a opposition player dealt with leniently.
I haven't seen the highlights yet barring Smiths strike on McGeary. For the record from the one look at the yellows I got on Saturday I couldn't definitively say that any of the cards dealt out were harsh with the exception of Ben McDonnells. Colly threw himself about recklessly all day and my heart was in my mouth watching him tackle because so many of them appeared rash and mistimed.
I'd completely disagree with what you said about McCann being rightly called out. I think there was a lot of hysteria around that incident that was unfair on an amateur player and I've seen it many times before in the GAA sadly. He deserved his ban but not the holier than thou condemnation from the "fur coat/no knickers" brigade. Conor Gormley, Diarmurd Connolly, Noel O'Leary, Francy Bellew, Neil McGee, Paul Galvin to name but a few have all been on the end of the "he's a disgrace/tr**p/coward/should be banned for life/never set foot on a pitch again" hand wringing. It's fuelled by two things; the sensationalism of certain Sunday Game analysts and old-fashioned Irish begrudgery. First it happens to a player from your country and old foes cry bloody murder so you bide your time until it's some other poor bstard's turn and then stick the boot into him.
Not sure the specific incident Patsy was carded for but he was hanging out of Smith for the early part of the game. It was certainly not a particularly unjust yellow. My only qualm with it was that Petey Harte is consistently targeted for special treatment of the ball, mainly because it's so effective, but I've yet to see a ref try to stamp it out. Matty Donnelly and McShane are physically powerful enough to counter such attention and the likes of Sludden have the yard of pace that make jersey pulling and holding so much more obvious to referees. Peter Harte doesn't have the size or pace to counter "off the ball" tactics but because he's such a vital cog in the Tyrone machine it's now a traditional tactic of nullifying Tyrone and it's very cynical. John Small does give him a horrid time off the ball when Tyrone play Dublin.
Below is the link to the punch on the head. You only need 1 viewing to know it was a clear strike. The linesman and ref had the perfect view of it. But as ot happened early in the game the ref ignored it
https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21
Quote from: trileacman on July 16, 2019, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
What did HP actually do to Smith to get his yellow? Wasn't shown on TV and it seemed like either they couldn't find video of it or they forgot to look.
Smith's punch was a fairly dirty act, McCann was rightly called out by everyone for his dirty actions against Donegal and what Smith did was every bit as bad but in all the analysis I've read or heard since the game apart from on here there's not been a single mention of it.
As for the ref, I said thoughout the game I thought he was reffing the game well in terms of calling fouls, didn't miss much and I don't think either side should complain about that but the Rossies will because they know they haven't a leg to stand on with the card count so have to come up with some nonsense to deflect.
Smtih should have had a red, another black should have been handed out late in the game for the throw of McShane to the ground. Probably the most blatent black I've ever seen and after seeing some of the cards we've had in the last few weeks it was terrible it was missed. Some of the other yellows we got were beyond a joke.
It's not just this game that has us boiling over this. It's constant these days and coming on the heels of the Cavan match where the card count was again farcical then you have to wonder is it more than just simple reffing errors.
You obviously watched the match at home on tv. It's alot easier to call a yellow card fair/unfair having watched a succession of slow motion replays from your sofa. David Coldrick got one look at it happening at full pelt through a sea of bodies. They aren't easy calls to make. Add in the fact that players are going down clutching their head and faces for any contact of note and the difficulty in discerning the "truth" in a tackle is very difficult for anyone. To be fair to Coldrick he held back all day on issuing reds and blacks probably because he didn't see an instance where he could be 100% sure that it was definitely a black or definitely a red. It's a much greater injustice to have a player incorrectly sent off than to have a opposition player dealt with leniently.
I haven't seen the highlights yet barring Smiths strike on McGeary. For the record from the one look at the yellows I got on Saturday I couldn't definitively say that any of the cards dealt out were harsh with the exception of Ben McDonnells. Colly threw himself about recklessly all day and my heart was in my mouth watching him tackle because so many of them appeared rash and mistimed.
I'd completely disagree with what you said about McCann being rightly called out. I think there was a lot of hysteria around that incident that was unfair on an amateur player and I've seen it many times before in the GAA sadly. He deserved his ban but not the holier than thou condemnation from the "fur coat/no knickers" brigade. Conor Gormley, Diarmurd Connolly, Noel O'Leary, Francy Bellew, Neil McGee, Paul Galvin to name but a few have all been on the end of the "he's a disgrace/tr**p/coward/should be banned for life/never set foot on a pitch again" hand wringing. It's fuelled by two things; the sensationalism of certain Sunday Game analysts and old-fashioned Irish begrudgery. First it happens to a player from your country and old foes cry bloody murder so you bide your time until it's some other poor bstard's turn and then stick the boot into him.
Not sure the specific incident Patsy was carded for but he was hanging out of Smith for the early part of the game. It was certainly not a particularly unjust yellow. My only qualm with it was that Petey Harte is consistently targeted for special treatment of the ball, mainly because it's so effective, but I've yet to see a ref try to stamp it out. Matty Donnelly and McShane are physically powerful enough to counter such attention and the likes of Sludden have the yard of pace that make jersey pulling and holding so much more obvious to referees. Peter Harte doesn't have the size or pace to counter "off the ball" tactics but because he's such a vital cog in the Tyrone machine it's now a traditional tactic of nullifying Tyrone and it's very cynical. John Small does give him a horrid time off the ball when Tyrone play Dublin.
I always thought Peter Harte had good speed.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 16, 2019, 07:04:48 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 16, 2019, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
What did HP actually do to Smith to get his yellow? Wasn't shown on TV and it seemed like either they couldn't find video of it or they forgot to look.
Smith's punch was a fairly dirty act, McCann was rightly called out by everyone for his dirty actions against Donegal and what Smith did was every bit as bad but in all the analysis I've read or heard since the game apart from on here there's not been a single mention of it.
As for the ref, I said thoughout the game I thought he was reffing the game well in terms of calling fouls, didn't miss much and I don't think either side should complain about that but the Rossies will because they know they haven't a leg to stand on with the card count so have to come up with some nonsense to deflect.
Smtih should have had a red, another black should have been handed out late in the game for the throw of McShane to the ground. Probably the most blatent black I've ever seen and after seeing some of the cards we've had in the last few weeks it was terrible it was missed. Some of the other yellows we got were beyond a joke.
It's not just this game that has us boiling over this. It's constant these days and coming on the heels of the Cavan match where the card count was again farcical then you have to wonder is it more than just simple reffing errors.
You obviously watched the match at home on tv. It's alot easier to call a yellow card fair/unfair having watched a succession of slow motion replays from your sofa. David Coldrick got one look at it happening at full pelt through a sea of bodies. They aren't easy calls to make. Add in the fact that players are going down clutching their head and faces for any contact of note and the difficulty in discerning the "truth" in a tackle is very difficult for anyone. To be fair to Coldrick he held back all day on issuing reds and blacks probably because he didn't see an instance where he could be 100% sure that it was definitely a black or definitely a red. It's a much greater injustice to have a player incorrectly sent off than to have a opposition player dealt with leniently.
I haven't seen the highlights yet barring Smiths strike on McGeary. For the record from the one look at the yellows I got on Saturday I couldn't definitively say that any of the cards dealt out were harsh with the exception of Ben McDonnells. Colly threw himself about recklessly all day and my heart was in my mouth watching him tackle because so many of them appeared rash and mistimed.
I'd completely disagree with what you said about McCann being rightly called out. I think there was a lot of hysteria around that incident that was unfair on an amateur player and I've seen it many times before in the GAA sadly. He deserved his ban but not the holier than thou condemnation from the "fur coat/no knickers" brigade. Conor Gormley, Diarmurd Connolly, Noel O'Leary, Francy Bellew, Neil McGee, Paul Galvin to name but a few have all been on the end of the "he's a disgrace/tr**p/coward/should be banned for life/never set foot on a pitch again" hand wringing. It's fuelled by two things; the sensationalism of certain Sunday Game analysts and old-fashioned Irish begrudgery. First it happens to a player from your country and old foes cry bloody murder so you bide your time until it's some other poor bstard's turn and then stick the boot into him.
Not sure the specific incident Patsy was carded for but he was hanging out of Smith for the early part of the game. It was certainly not a particularly unjust yellow. My only qualm with it was that Petey Harte is consistently targeted for special treatment of the ball, mainly because it's so effective, but I've yet to see a ref try to stamp it out. Matty Donnelly and McShane are physically powerful enough to counter such attention and the likes of Sludden have the yard of pace that make jersey pulling and holding so much more obvious to referees. Peter Harte doesn't have the size or pace to counter "off the ball" tactics but because he's such a vital cog in the Tyrone machine it's now a traditional tactic of nullifying Tyrone and it's very cynical. John Small does give him a horrid time off the ball when Tyrone play Dublin.
Below is the link to the punch on the head. You only need 1 viewing to know it was a clear strike. The linesman and ref had the perfect view of it. But as ot happened early in the game the ref ignored it
https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21
Surprised that there's no media outrage over this.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 16, 2019, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 16, 2019, 07:04:48 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 16, 2019, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
What did HP actually do to Smith to get his yellow? Wasn't shown on TV and it seemed like either they couldn't find video of it or they forgot to look.
Smith's punch was a fairly dirty act, McCann was rightly called out by everyone for his dirty actions against Donegal and what Smith did was every bit as bad but in all the analysis I've read or heard since the game apart from on here there's not been a single mention of it.
As for the ref, I said thoughout the game I thought he was reffing the game well in terms of calling fouls, didn't miss much and I don't think either side should complain about that but the Rossies will because they know they haven't a leg to stand on with the card count so have to come up with some nonsense to deflect.
Smtih should have had a red, another black should have been handed out late in the game for the throw of McShane to the ground. Probably the most blatent black I've ever seen and after seeing some of the cards we've had in the last few weeks it was terrible it was missed. Some of the other yellows we got were beyond a joke.
It's not just this game that has us boiling over this. It's constant these days and coming on the heels of the Cavan match where the card count was again farcical then you have to wonder is it more than just simple reffing errors.
You obviously watched the match at home on tv. It's alot easier to call a yellow card fair/unfair having watched a succession of slow motion replays from your sofa. David Coldrick got one look at it happening at full pelt through a sea of bodies. They aren't easy calls to make. Add in the fact that players are going down clutching their head and faces for any contact of note and the difficulty in discerning the "truth" in a tackle is very difficult for anyone. To be fair to Coldrick he held back all day on issuing reds and blacks probably because he didn't see an instance where he could be 100% sure that it was definitely a black or definitely a red. It's a much greater injustice to have a player incorrectly sent off than to have a opposition player dealt with leniently.
I haven't seen the highlights yet barring Smiths strike on McGeary. For the record from the one look at the yellows I got on Saturday I couldn't definitively say that any of the cards dealt out were harsh with the exception of Ben McDonnells. Colly threw himself about recklessly all day and my heart was in my mouth watching him tackle because so many of them appeared rash and mistimed.
I'd completely disagree with what you said about McCann being rightly called out. I think there was a lot of hysteria around that incident that was unfair on an amateur player and I've seen it many times before in the GAA sadly. He deserved his ban but not the holier than thou condemnation from the "fur coat/no knickers" brigade. Conor Gormley, Diarmurd Connolly, Noel O'Leary, Francy Bellew, Neil McGee, Paul Galvin to name but a few have all been on the end of the "he's a disgrace/tr**p/coward/should be banned for life/never set foot on a pitch again" hand wringing. It's fuelled by two things; the sensationalism of certain Sunday Game analysts and old-fashioned Irish begrudgery. First it happens to a player from your country and old foes cry bloody murder so you bide your time until it's some other poor bstard's turn and then stick the boot into him.
Not sure the specific incident Patsy was carded for but he was hanging out of Smith for the early part of the game. It was certainly not a particularly unjust yellow. My only qualm with it was that Petey Harte is consistently targeted for special treatment of the ball, mainly because it's so effective, but I've yet to see a ref try to stamp it out. Matty Donnelly and McShane are physically powerful enough to counter such attention and the likes of Sludden have the yard of pace that make jersey pulling and holding so much more obvious to referees. Peter Harte doesn't have the size or pace to counter "off the ball" tactics but because he's such a vital cog in the Tyrone machine it's now a traditional tactic of nullifying Tyrone and it's very cynical. John Small does give him a horrid time off the ball when Tyrone play Dublin.
Below is the link to the punch on the head. You only need 1 viewing to know it was a clear strike. The linesman and ref had the perfect view of it. But as ot happened early in the game the ref ignored it
https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21
Surprised that there's no media outrage over this.
prob cause it wasnt an ulster player doing it. every bit as bad as McCanns
Surely Enda Smith must be facing a ban. In fact, Ciaran Whelan should take him by the scruff of the neck and make him apologise to the nation.
Edit. I forgot that punching someone in the face is manly, therefore is ok in the GAA.
And Enda didn't get a box in the face in the first minute.
And Killoran didn't get a box in the head.
And the whole Tyrone team are innocent choir boys led by St Mickey.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2019, 11:05:09 AM
And Enda didn't get a box in the face in the first minute.
And Killoran didn't get a box in the head.
And the whole Tyrone team are innocent choir boys led by St Mickey.
With a ref enforcing the rules of the game Tyrone would have finished with about 12 players. Roscommon had two stone wall penos not given either. Smith was foulded for his goal chance and Murtagh was nearly raped off the ball when a shot was dropping short,Its was right in front of coldrick who chose to ignore it as he did when Glennon was fouled before the ball arrived later in the game, Was atrocious reffereeing and laughably one sided in favor of Tyrone.
Whatever about the regular "small" decisions going mainly against us he refused to make the big calls against a big team.
He'll most likely get the AI Final so.
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 16, 2019, 07:04:48 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 16, 2019, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
What did HP actually do to Smith to get his yellow? Wasn't shown on TV and it seemed like either they couldn't find video of it or they forgot to look.
Smith's punch was a fairly dirty act, McCann was rightly called out by everyone for his dirty actions against Donegal and what Smith did was every bit as bad but in all the analysis I've read or heard since the game apart from on here there's not been a single mention of it.
As for the ref, I said thoughout the game I thought he was reffing the game well in terms of calling fouls, didn't miss much and I don't think either side should complain about that but the Rossies will because they know they haven't a leg to stand on with the card count so have to come up with some nonsense to deflect.
Smtih should have had a red, another black should have been handed out late in the game for the throw of McShane to the ground. Probably the most blatent black I've ever seen and after seeing some of the cards we've had in the last few weeks it was terrible it was missed. Some of the other yellows we got were beyond a joke.
It's not just this game that has us boiling over this. It's constant these days and coming on the heels of the Cavan match where the card count was again farcical then you have to wonder is it more than just simple reffing errors.
You obviously watched the match at home on tv. It's alot easier to call a yellow card fair/unfair having watched a succession of slow motion replays from your sofa. David Coldrick got one look at it happening at full pelt through a sea of bodies. They aren't easy calls to make. Add in the fact that players are going down clutching their head and faces for any contact of note and the difficulty in discerning the "truth" in a tackle is very difficult for anyone. To be fair to Coldrick he held back all day on issuing reds and blacks probably because he didn't see an instance where he could be 100% sure that it was definitely a black or definitely a red. It's a much greater injustice to have a player incorrectly sent off than to have a opposition player dealt with leniently.
I haven't seen the highlights yet barring Smiths strike on McGeary. For the record from the one look at the yellows I got on Saturday I couldn't definitively say that any of the cards dealt out were harsh with the exception of Ben McDonnells. Colly threw himself about recklessly all day and my heart was in my mouth watching him tackle because so many of them appeared rash and mistimed.
I'd completely disagree with what you said about McCann being rightly called out. I think there was a lot of hysteria around that incident that was unfair on an amateur player and I've seen it many times before in the GAA sadly. He deserved his ban but not the holier than thou condemnation from the "fur coat/no knickers" brigade. Conor Gormley, Diarmurd Connolly, Noel O'Leary, Francy Bellew, Neil McGee, Paul Galvin to name but a few have all been on the end of the "he's a disgrace/tr**p/coward/should be banned for life/never set foot on a pitch again" hand wringing. It's fuelled by two things; the sensationalism of certain Sunday Game analysts and old-fashioned Irish begrudgery. First it happens to a player from your country and old foes cry bloody murder so you bide your time until it's some other poor bstard's turn and then stick the boot into him.
Not sure the specific incident Patsy was carded for but he was hanging out of Smith for the early part of the game. It was certainly not a particularly unjust yellow. My only qualm with it was that Petey Harte is consistently targeted for special treatment of the ball, mainly because it's so effective, but I've yet to see a ref try to stamp it out. Matty Donnelly and McShane are physically powerful enough to counter such attention and the likes of Sludden have the yard of pace that make jersey pulling and holding so much more obvious to referees. Peter Harte doesn't have the size or pace to counter "off the ball" tactics but because he's such a vital cog in the Tyrone machine it's now a traditional tactic of nullifying Tyrone and it's very cynical. John Small does give him a horrid time off the ball when Tyrone play Dublin.
Below is the link to the punch on the head. You only need 1 viewing to know it was a clear strike. The linesman and ref had the perfect view of it. But as ot happened early in the game the ref ignored it
https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21
Smith a lucky lucky boy that not seen. Dirty act and he knew it when sidestepped the Tyrone lad running past him as was probably expecting a thump.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2019, 11:22:41 AM
Whatever about the regular "small" decisions going mainly against us he refused to make the big calls against a big team.
He'll most likely get the AI Final so.
Cian Ward who I see as one of the better GAA analysts on GAA Hour called it a stonewalled penalty. Tyrone will be outraged by their yellow cards but I would rather get the ref decisions that impact scoreline any-day and they got the benefit of the non penalty call and the soft storable frees. Having said that, best team won and onto Round 2.
That's quite a unique sight, to actually see a Tyrone player (Harte) on his knees after a tackle, holding his head in genuine pain.
I had to look at the incident about 20 times, gradually stripping off 19 engrained layers of disbelief. First impression (like most non Tyronies) was this was good theatre, supremely good method acting, in contrast for example to that clown McCann.
No doubt the howls of indignation have reached fever pitch in Tyrone, the ref!! the sunday game!! the pundits!!! all ignoring the incident and most everybody carries on assuming (with innocent prejudice) that Tyronies are the perennial sinners, the cynical masters of the GAA world.
Quote from: fearsiuil on July 16, 2019, 11:52:06 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 16, 2019, 07:04:48 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 16, 2019, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Jayop on July 15, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
What did HP actually do to Smith to get his yellow? Wasn't shown on TV and it seemed like either they couldn't find video of it or they forgot to look.
Smith's punch was a fairly dirty act, McCann was rightly called out by everyone for his dirty actions against Donegal and what Smith did was every bit as bad but in all the analysis I've read or heard since the game apart from on here there's not been a single mention of it.
As for the ref, I said thoughout the game I thought he was reffing the game well in terms of calling fouls, didn't miss much and I don't think either side should complain about that but the Rossies will because they know they haven't a leg to stand on with the card count so have to come up with some nonsense to deflect.
Smtih should have had a red, another black should have been handed out late in the game for the throw of McShane to the ground. Probably the most blatent black I've ever seen and after seeing some of the cards we've had in the last few weeks it was terrible it was missed. Some of the other yellows we got were beyond a joke.
It's not just this game that has us boiling over this. It's constant these days and coming on the heels of the Cavan match where the card count was again farcical then you have to wonder is it more than just simple reffing errors.
You obviously watched the match at home on tv. It's alot easier to call a yellow card fair/unfair having watched a succession of slow motion replays from your sofa. David Coldrick got one look at it happening at full pelt through a sea of bodies. They aren't easy calls to make. Add in the fact that players are going down clutching their head and faces for any contact of note and the difficulty in discerning the "truth" in a tackle is very difficult for anyone. To be fair to Coldrick he held back all day on issuing reds and blacks probably because he didn't see an instance where he could be 100% sure that it was definitely a black or definitely a red. It's a much greater injustice to have a player incorrectly sent off than to have a opposition player dealt with leniently.
I haven't seen the highlights yet barring Smiths strike on McGeary. For the record from the one look at the yellows I got on Saturday I couldn't definitively say that any of the cards dealt out were harsh with the exception of Ben McDonnells. Colly threw himself about recklessly all day and my heart was in my mouth watching him tackle because so many of them appeared rash and mistimed.
I'd completely disagree with what you said about McCann being rightly called out. I think there was a lot of hysteria around that incident that was unfair on an amateur player and I've seen it many times before in the GAA sadly. He deserved his ban but not the holier than thou condemnation from the "fur coat/no knickers" brigade. Conor Gormley, Diarmurd Connolly, Noel O'Leary, Francy Bellew, Neil McGee, Paul Galvin to name but a few have all been on the end of the "he's a disgrace/tr**p/coward/should be banned for life/never set foot on a pitch again" hand wringing. It's fuelled by two things; the sensationalism of certain Sunday Game analysts and old-fashioned Irish begrudgery. First it happens to a player from your country and old foes cry bloody murder so you bide your time until it's some other poor bstard's turn and then stick the boot into him.
Not sure the specific incident Patsy was carded for but he was hanging out of Smith for the early part of the game. It was certainly not a particularly unjust yellow. My only qualm with it was that Petey Harte is consistently targeted for special treatment of the ball, mainly because it's so effective, but I've yet to see a ref try to stamp it out. Matty Donnelly and McShane are physically powerful enough to counter such attention and the likes of Sludden have the yard of pace that make jersey pulling and holding so much more obvious to referees. Peter Harte doesn't have the size or pace to counter "off the ball" tactics but because he's such a vital cog in the Tyrone machine it's now a traditional tactic of nullifying Tyrone and it's very cynical. John Small does give him a horrid time off the ball when Tyrone play Dublin.
Below is the link to the punch on the head. You only need 1 viewing to know it was a clear strike. The linesman and ref had the perfect view of it. But as ot happened early in the game the ref ignored it
https://twitter.com/captainbullshi6/status/1150101239658455040?s=21
Smith a lucky lucky boy that not seen. Dirty act and he knew it when sidestepped the Tyrone lad running past him as was probably expecting a thump.
Of course he was expecting a thump, thats what Tyrone do. I will be heading in to Asda Strabane Friday evening and will be expecting a few thumps as well. ;D
Seriously when you talk to random GAA heads from other counties, the mere mention of Tyrone is met with a barge of "those dirty b~stards". It is what it is, Tyrone are a seriously fine side, but they are absouletly filthy.
Quote from: Rudi on July 16, 2019, 12:13:32 PM
Of course he was expecting a thump, thats what Tyrone do. I will be heading in to Asda Strabane Friday evening and will be expecting a few thumps as well. ;D
Seriously when you talk to random GAA heads from other counties, the mere mention of Tyrone is met with a barge of "those dirty b~stards". It is what it is, Tyrone are a seriously fine side, but they are absouletly filthy.
Right, that's it -- my mates and I shall be waiting at the Asda gates come Friday evening on your arrival!..
Bracketing us with the Dubs is just not on :P
Quote from: Main Street on July 16, 2019, 12:08:00 PM
That's quite a unique sight, to actually see a Tyrone player (Harte) on his knees after a tackle, holding his head in genuine pain.
I had to look at the incident about 20 times, gradually stripping off 19 engrained layers of disbelief. First impression (like most non Tyronies) was this was good theatre, supremely good method acting, in contrast for example to that clown McCann.
No doubt the howls of indignation have reached fever pitch in Tyrone, the ref!! the sunday game!! the pundits!!! all ignoring the incident and most everybody carries on assuming (with innocent prejudice) that Tyronies are the perennial sinners, the cynical masters of the GAA world.
If you looked at the incident about 20 times I'm surprised you didn't work out that it was HP McGeary. But crack on with your story.
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Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
You've a vivid imagination. Will the Roscommon media be running a match report this week on how they beat Tyrone as they bid to defend their All Ireland title or does the delusion extend only to the performance of the referee?
They are always like that, the most delusional fans in the country. Won Connacht this year and you had grown Rossie men crying like it was Leitrim circa 1994
The above brought to you by a Mayoman. Doing delusion better than anyone for 70 odd years.
what is an "aros" anyway and why should i wear one?
Quote from: weareros on July 15, 2019, 03:39:49 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:10:39 PM
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Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
You've a vivid imagination. Will the Roscommon media be running a match report this week on how they beat Tyrone as they bid to defend their All Ireland title or does the delusion extend only to the performance of the referee?
They are always like that, the most delusional fans in the country. Won Connacht this year and you had grown Rossie men crying like it was Leitrim circa 1994
The above brought to you by a Mayoman. Doing delusion better than anyone for 70 odd years.
Hmmm, we get excited when we win. Distraught when we lose. I think the two counties are a bit similar.
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Quote from: weareros on July 15, 2019, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: iorras on July 15, 2019, 03:09:20 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 14, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 14, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Imagine for a second if that was McCann who did what Smith did there. Imagine the social media outrage.
When tyrone are playing you dont need to imagine anything, it happens right in front of your eyes, Smith got fouled after he hit that shot that was saved by morgan, peno all day, also after the save from cregg a tyrone player picked the ball straight off the ground in the big square but sure the ref was a rossie ;D
You've a vivid imagination. Will the Roscommon media be running a match report this week on how they beat Tyrone as they bid to defend their All Ireland title or does the delusion extend only to the performance of the referee?
They are always like that, the most delusional fans in the country. Won Connacht this year and you had grown Rossie men crying like it was Leitrim circa 1994
The above brought to you by a Mayoman. Doing delusion better than anyone for 70 odd years.
Hmmm, we get excited when we win. Distraught when we lose. I think the two counties are a bit similar.
;D ;D ;D