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#1
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
September 29, 2021, 03:00:25 PM
Aye Ricey just moved to the Cavan set up.
#2
GAA Discussion / Re: The next 10 all Irelands
September 22, 2021, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2021, 05:15:39 PM
Who advocated abolishing the Provincial Championship or the Provincial Finals?
Isn't proposal B keeping them in watered down format with Finals??

Yes but played in Spring time according to Sid there.
#3
GAA Discussion / Re: The next 10 all Irelands
September 22, 2021, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 22, 2021, 04:35:01 PM
Would any serious hurling person advocate abolishing the Munster Hurling final?

Why would any serious football person in Ulster, or anywhere for that matter, advocate abolishing the Ulster football final and the Ulster Championship?

The time of year of these proposals is the No1 problem I have with them. Play the provincials over April/May, Play the championship after them. A game a week, no ballsing about.
#4
GAA Discussion / Re: The next 10 all Irelands
September 22, 2021, 04:43:08 PM
I still don't see how anyone can contend that getting 7 championship games at their level wont improve teams and encourage players to commit. Sure the D4 winner might get a tanking in a QF but that's sport, tough shit like. The 7 games should be bringing them on.
#5
GAA Discussion / Re: The next 10 all Irelands
September 22, 2021, 02:12:56 AM
Ya in fairness Sid your reply to me was a solid argument. I'm not so passionate about the current suggestion to argue against you so you win.  :)

The championship is broken, something needs done. Something that will both bring fairness to the top ulster counties who have to kill each other to get to the business end and something for the weaker counties to stop and reverse the decline.

I've previously posted detailed suggestions for a full calendar on boards.ie and I'm not going down that road again but I'm fully on board if someone comes up with something right.

Fwiw I think the no1 issue is still the unfair allocation of resources.
#6
GAA Discussion / Re: The next 10 all Irelands
September 21, 2021, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 21, 2021, 05:16:18 PM
Well if you're to hold that view that means you also have to hold the view that you can't win the All-Ireland from outside Division 1, you can't even compete. Inevitable defeat in the knockout stage will be your lot.

Which means the proposal is completely elitist.

We already see the yo-yo team phenomenon in action in the League. Teams get promoted from Division 2 and go straight back down. Promoted teams cannot break into the elite circle because the game is loaded against them.

So under Proposal B, the championship will be run for the benefit of the few, and f**k the rest.

When was the last time a team from outside D1 won it? All competitions are elitist if you mean do the best "elite" teams win it. I don't really understand your point, should we introduce a handicap system like golf and give a D4 team a 10 point headstart?? Here a D4 team wins their league, has a crack at a QF. The next year they're a D3 team playing at a better level. Again you skipped the big point I made and cut it from your quote about how I think 7 actual championship games guarenteed will stop players from weaker counties dropping off panels. I don't know why anyone would put in the work for 1/2 games a year. Waste of time.

Unless you completely strip any chance from the outset of the year for a team to be in the premier competition and simply have Sr, intermediate and Jr championships what other solution is there? As far as I'm aware the players from every county want the chance to be in the big one from the start of the year be that right or wrong.


Now if you're talking about leveling the playing field outside of the actual structure of the competitions then I'm all ears. Funding allocation is a joke right now, some county boards are being run by clowns, all that needs to be looked at too, but that being wrong doesn't mean the championship structure can't be made more fair.
#7
GAA Discussion / Re: The next 10 all Irelands
September 21, 2021, 05:06:30 PM
Ah there's not really going to be any long term advantage to playing in D2 if you really have ambitions of winning the all-ireland under that proposal.

If it was in next year the top 5 in D1 will have came through Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry, Dublin, Monaghan, Armagh, Mayo and Kildare. That's 7 brutal games and any team progressing through 7 games like that at a championship level would leave you in a serious position.

D2 will have Meath, Clare, Cork, Down, Derry, Cavan, Galway and Roscommon. With the greatest of respect to those teams, it's hardly ideal preparation for a quarterfinal against any of the top 5 teams who would come through d1.

As for giving the 2 winners from D3 and D4 a spot, I think it's great. They will have come through a tough run at their own level, will have had a chance to get things right and will already have their all-ireland medal in the pocket for their grade. A big game out in croker for one of them will be brilliant. Nothing to stop the likes of a Leitrim winning d4 and getting to an all-ireland QF. Surely a big game like that in Croker would be a serious carrot for those players and a guaranteed 7 games in the summer every year might keep a few guys interested.



The Provincials need to be retained but I've long said they should be played seperate from the AI series. It's just complete nonsense that you might have to win 4 games against D1 opposition to win Ulster and get to a SF/QF while the 3 other winners can stroll through. Yeah they might be less prepared but they will have been able to taper the training for the later stages.


#8
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
September 21, 2021, 04:36:50 PM
Quote from: tiempo on September 21, 2021, 11:25:48 AM
03, 05, 08, 21 combined

1. Morgan
2. Ricey
3. Cormac
4. Hampsey
5. McGeary
6 Gormley
7. Jordan
8. Cavanagh
9. Hub
10. Dooher
11. McGuigan
12. Meyler
13. McCurry
14. O'Neill
15. Canavan

Shoot me now  ;D

Jeez there's some cracker players left off that team but it's so strong. Mugsy has to play for me.
#9
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
September 21, 2021, 04:35:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScUzL33iDM

Class interview with Meyler. Very interesting guy to listen to.
#10
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 17, 2021, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 17, 2021, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee.  One is done and injuries are catching up with the other.  As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences.  Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement.  They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland.  Have dublin or kerry ever done this.  They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.

4 D1 teams and the reigning Ulster champs. It's a serious route to the final.

2008 we got beat by Down in Ulster, then played

Louth D3
Westmeath D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Mayo D1
Dublin D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Wexford D3 (had won promotion that year to D2)
Kerry D1

So even that year we only played 2 actual D1 teams but 2 teams who went up to D1 that summer.

I had clean forgot about Wexford in the semi that year. What a summer for them!!
Was that the year Mattie Ford destroyed us in the quarters? Another one we ballsed up and could have won.

Aye looks like it. According to Wiki this was his day out...

M Forde 1-5 (1f, 1sl)

He didn't win an All Star that year either//
#11
Quote from: An Watcher on September 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
I fancied Tyrone to beat Donegal irrespective of Murphy and McGee.  One is done and injuries are catching up with the other.  As for Kerry they were stuffing teams out the gate all-year and have won manys an all ireland with dodgy defences.  Mayo just did what mayo do 8n many finals.
Let's not belittle tyrones achievement.  They beat 4 division one teams on the way to this all ireland.  Have dublin or kerry ever done this.  They've probably won all irelands playing no division one teams.

4 D1 teams and the reigning Ulster champs. It's a serious route to the final.

2008 we got beat by Down in Ulster, then played

Louth D3
Westmeath D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Mayo D1
Dublin D2 (had won promotion that year to D1)
Wexford D3 (had won promotion that year to D2)
Kerry D1

So even that year we only played 2 actual D1 teams but 2 teams who went up to D1 that summer.

I had clean forgot about Wexford in the semi that year. What a summer for them!!
#12
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
September 17, 2021, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2021, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
Fergal Logan a free run at it with a team of Dooher, Holmes, McMahon and Pete Donnelly back in according to radio Ulster.

See quote and onwards. Most of us saw it as a good move. What's the plans next year?

Try to take over the world.
#13
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2021, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on September 16, 2021, 10:38:07 PM
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.

Totally agree. My point was really that Mayo aren't scoring enough in finals to win them. Missing clear cut goal chances saps the confidence of the whole team. 0.15 won't win too many finals but 2.15 would be hard to beat most times. Mckenna showed a level of composure that IMO was beyond any of the Mayo forwards.

Ahh got ya, yeah that's a totally fair shout.
#14
Score 2 of them and you'd have been a point up. It's much too simplistic to say that would have won the game (I know that's not exactly what you said). Tyrone could just have easily have reacted and pushed on and scored more. And likewise Tyrone missed some other simple chances, if we had have scored them we'd have won by a mile.

#15
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
September 16, 2021, 10:35:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on September 16, 2021, 09:36:56 PM
Does anyone know if you can watch the final back on sky online

I dunno but the full game is there on youtube in HD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0MVMs4nxx4