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#1
Laois / Re: Laois Senior Hurlers 2023
July 16, 2023, 09:44:44 PM
Yea fair points I suppose! Hopefully it can be set up better for the 2nd round.
#2
Laois / Re: Laois Senior Hurlers 2023
July 16, 2023, 02:20:18 PM
Anyone else think it's a bit bizarre having our senior hurling championship on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday evenings?? Surely they could have planned for 2 x double headers, Saturday and Sunday.
Predictions are Camross, Rosenalis, Rathdowney errill and Abbeyleix to win first rounds. Although I expect all games to be tight, except for maybe the Camross game.
#3
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
January 28, 2021, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2021, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 28, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
They brought on a talented group to achieve their potential resulting in Laois hurling's biggest achievement in years

Sounds like some failure of management? To bring somebody in as part of your coaching team in order to get a job. And then to stand idly by as they proceeded to strangle the life out of a group you were personally responsible for "coaching" to a high performing level up to that point.
Very poor management.
Very poor.
Not good enough.

Absolutely. Spot. On. 👏🏻
#4
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
December 17, 2020, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
And we don't do that already? What an absolute joke. Asking lay volunteers to up the ante and attend a few courses and all of a sudden you're an expert. No kid deserves to be coached by some wannabe who fancies themselves as the next Jim McGuinness or Davy Fitz. Half of these courses time are taken up telling you how not to be a paedo. No thanks. All of that is great when it's backed up by proper coaching structures monitoring each kid and local mentor. Unfortunately, there's far too many of our kids being "coached" by classroom experts.

So many good ex players studied on that course in Carlow under Mick Dempsey. They are the ones who need to be targeted. And yes, it would cost money, and yes, we would have to fundraise. But it sure as hell beats the crap out of know nothings taking a few classes and suddenly knowing it all. Let's be a little bit professional in our approach, please.

Bullshit response high fielder, that "how not to be a paedo" course is the code of ethics course, which is mandatory, you obviously haven't done too many coaching courses yourself!
Where do you think Jim McGuinness and Davy started?! Or are they just born with coaching ability!? How do you think anybody becomes an expert in their chosen field? Just comes to them in a dream!?
And no, clearly we don't do that already! Cause we have f**k all coaches and our standard of hurling generally is poor!!
Also, incase you forgot, this is an amateur, volunteer organisation!!
#5
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
December 16, 2020, 11:43:27 PM
Just a comment on High Fielders view of, why bother doing anything to help until the County board or whoever get some plans in place... I'm simply talking about more people getting out there, getting involved, getting their own coach education, there's plenty of courses, the ones in Laois usually have to be pulled due to lack of numbers ffs!
If more people do this, we will end up with better coaches, better coaches means better players, and in turn we will have more/better players AND coaches available at development squad level. There's literally nothing stopping you from doing this, try and create a culture within your own club, get involved at the top table in your club and implement structures in the club.
I really don't understand this idea of throwing our hands up and wait for a gaa Bible to appear with all the answers.
Yes 100% the County board need to get better and progressive, but there's lots we can do to improve things while we wait for something or someone to pull it all together.
Something like Ogie mentioned there, clubs sharing the GDA and sharing the cost, great idea, and it's not coming from the county board, it's club driven!
I also think a second club needs to be set up in portlaoise, as was recommended in that waste of time strategic plan. Otherwise its inevitable portlaoise will be become a superpower eventually.
But all of the above have one thing in common, passionate people getting off their holes and getting involved!!
#6
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
December 14, 2020, 08:28:49 PM
Mike and Jason are doing the best they can with the resources they have. Anybody else see an email today from Mike Henchy looking for coaches/mentors for the development squads? It mentions they asked over 80 people to get involved last year with very little positive responses. Everyone loves coming on here for a whinge but very few want to get involved and help out. 
#7
Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
November 12, 2020, 10:00:58 PM
This is about more than Eddie Brennan. I hope Eddie stays and I hope the CB commit to getting him extra resources. But the point is, it's about the CB taking a new approach of forward thinking, forward planning, that the supports and resources will be there, and will continue to grow, when Eddie Brennan is gone, and when the next manager after him is gone. That's the point here. The CB need to grasp this quick or step aside and let other people drive it on.
I will say, the CB positions are not easy positions and respect to all who step up to do it. But stepping up to stand in for photos is not enough anymore, as a previous poster said, they need to be proactive, work hard in those CB positions to ensure there is better supports and resources that are growing on a continuous basis for the future. That's the point the CB here don't get IMO.
#8
Laois / Re: Leinster Senior Hurling Championship 2020
November 10, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
My tuppance worth lads, we had a Savage year last year and went from Joe McDonagh status to Liam McCarthy status, any manager in any sport in the world, after getting a promotion, would want to improve standards and improve resources. It's a no brainer! It looks like our county board don't have the ambition required to do this. They have form, Sugrue wanted to do the same, Cheddar wanted to do the same, what happened? They got told no, f**k off. Same thing is happening again. This recording is brilliant because it tells the truth in no uncertain terms, its also terrible because Brennan will probably walk now, it'll come down to the County board coughing up the resources, or he walks, and I reckon he'll end up having to walk. What manager will want to come in now after hearing what he'll be dealing with if he does.
#9
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
October 19, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
Blue&white you are right there, and I know I'm bashing the management here but this particular management team have had this group since u14/15, and they have been about one thing and one thing only, winning. Not developing a group of 30/40 as mentioned above. That's why there was a lot of dissent to them getting the minor job in the first place! And I think their whole approach has come back to bite them a bit Saturday.
Giovanni is right also, need to get the balance right, and get coach education to the fore, the S&C structures are in place now, or are a lot better. Really good coaches are very important too.
#10
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
October 19, 2020, 11:54:23 AM
Couldn't disagree with any of that keyser, would be great to have that kind of a set up. However I do believe there was an attempt at doing that last year, and out of 20 or so players only 3/4 turned up. Don't know the full details.
My logic isn't that S&C coaches aren't required I never alluded to that! course its not the same at 13 as it is at u20! they all progress their gym work as they rise through the squads, it's all individualised and managed very well, all players don't get the same work to do but they all develop and progress.
What I'm saying is if you leave u17 and don't make the U20 IC, in the absence of a program like you describe above, they HAVE to carry it on by themselves! But a few years ago they would not have been able to do that as efficiently as they can now leaving an u17 squad. The initial couple of posts suggested there was no S&C work going on which isn't the case. There will be 40 odd players at each development squad, not all of them will make it to u20 or senior IC, but they will have a base knowledge and habits built up is what I'm hoping, and will continue this on their own, or through club athletic development if the club has it in place. There are many players that hurl IC up to minor and never put on a Laois Jersey after that. I'm thinking of Laois hurling in general, not just the inter County. And this would help the late bloomers too as you've mentioned.
#11
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
October 18, 2020, 05:01:31 PM
High performance units?? Please expand?
I think what you are getting at is the issue of moving from u17 to u20 intercounty, there will be a few that will go straight from minor to u20, and those lads will have the connection and proper guidance you mention. But it's the same as the original minor (u18) going from there to the old grade of u21.
The difference now is there is the athletic development program in place, so players joining an u13 or u14 squad next year will be properly developed and educated in the gym. So when they leave the u17 grade they are well capable, and hopefully in the habit of, continuing their own physical development.
After that it's up to the clubs to do their part in setting up athletic development, with the help of the GDAs, Henchy is the games development manager, and a good one too. Coffey is S&C qualified.
As for getting the best people in as coaches, for sure that's the way to go, but the coach development is the key to that as good men are hard to find! And then get them to commit! Clubs need to push the coach education for their coaches too.
#12
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
October 18, 2020, 02:51:10 PM
By that stage the hope is they are properly trained in the gym and will be able to continue their development on there own! Once you leave minor you are an adult, they need to be able to look after themselves at that point!
Also, Mike Henchy and the GDAs are running courses for coaches and encouraging clubs to run their own athletic development programmes in clubs, with the help of the GDAs, how many clubs promote this or get their coaches to attend? A few but not enough!
#13
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
October 18, 2020, 02:13:28 PM
There is a fully functioning S&C/Athletic development program in place for all development squads now, up and running for the last 2 years, granted we are at least 10 years behind a lot of other counties in this regard but it is now up and running. And we also now have a fantastic gym in CoE to facilitate this. I know the U20s and the minors last year did plenty of gym work with a qualified S&C coach. Can't comment on this year's minors but it seems that wasn't the case.
Also lest we forget there was major disruption to preperations this year, but, you can say the same for offaly I guess! But what I've heard is that players and parents were very happy with the set up and the support players received during the summer lockdown.
I have no doubt this was led by McGrath, but I was surprised at how poor the decision making and skill execution was yesterday considering McGrath was involved for a fair bit of the year. Also surprised at the tactics and don't know who to place blame on for that. They played into Offalys hands.
Also it would have been very easy motivate Offaly yesterday. Think the goalie or someone else should have taken the penalty, if that had of gone in we could have turned it around and it may have ended differently. Instead Offaly were buoyed by the save and kicked on from there. We also missed 2 good goal chances in the first half. Small margins and fine lines.
#14
Laois / Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
September 09, 2019, 06:05:04 PM
Lads i thought it was widely known at this stage, without Dunne there is no McGrath, his buddy is paying for it, and vice versa, without McGrath there is no Dunne. Dunne knew there was no way he was getting the minor managers job without bringing something really good to the table. Because he is not good enough. Simple as that. McGrath has stated today his involvement will be minimal, a support role. And its fantastic to have him! And fair play to Dunne for pulling that out of his sleeve, but its been stated already, here and elsewhere, whoever has the deepest pockets can now be a manager whether you are right for the job or not. The county board had nothing to do with getting McGrath on board. If they did, they would at least try to get the best people possible around him. This is unfortunately not the case here.
Having McGrath in any capacity will be brilliant and no doubt a great influence, but i think its the way this is being done thats pissing people off.
#15
Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
February 01, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 01, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on January 31, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
Anyone ever see, or get their hands on, a copy of the plan purposed by cheddar??
I'm still waiting for you to return my copy

Ok 🤔

This plan has been referenced here many times, and i am sure it was good, but, no one actually seems to know what it was or if it even exists!!