Mayo v Armagh
MacHale Park
29/30 June
Armagh might have got a nice win at the weekend but I would say Mayo are two years ahead of Armagh in development. Wouldn't expect to see Mayo setup defensively so it will be a nice open game of football.
Feile is on in Connacht this weekend, so accommodation for any Armagh fans will be hard to come by. Also, there are games scheduled for McHale park on Saturday afternoon in Feile
The draw that I want except for I wanted it as away fixture.
McGeeney out. Quick turnaround for this one so need to get the McGeeney stuff out of the way quickly.
And while I'm on Oisin O'Neill to come in at midfield and Ross McQuillan to come in in nets
Quote from: smelmoth on June 24, 2019, 12:16:11 PM
McGeeney out. Quick turnaround for this one so need to get the McGeeney stuff out of the way quickly.
And while I'm on Oisin O'Neill to come in at midfield and Ross McQuillan to come in in nets
If only Armagh had a prospective manager that knew something about Mayo football.
If Oisin were fit, that would be great.
Quote from: rory on June 24, 2019, 12:09:46 PM
Feile is on in Connacht this weekend, so accommodation for any Armagh fans will be hard to come by. Also, there are games scheduled for McHale park on Saturday afternoon in Feile
Ballina then? Belmullet? Ballinrobe racecourse?
Should be a good game. The game against us in Portlaoise was needless to say the highlight, the only highlight, of last Summer. Both teams then were very open at the back which made for a high scoring game in 27 degree heat. Based on the score Armagh conceded against Cavan, you would have to say that is still a big issue. Against an attacking team like Mayo that commands a lot of possession, that could again lead to a big score conceded. Armagh began the season at around the same level as Down, but based on Monaghan result those games have likely brought them on, so should be close enough at the end. Extra time would not surprise.
Confirmed for 7pm Saturday in Castlebar.
Don't see any mayo ones yapping now with 7pm game... Hypocrites.
Quote from: weareros on June 24, 2019, 01:19:20 PM
Should be a good game. The game against us in Portlaoise was needless to say the highlight, the only highlight, of last Summer. Both teams then were very open at the back which made for a high scoring game in 27 degree heat. Based on the score Armagh conceded against Cavan, you would have to say that is still a big issue. Against an attacking team like Mayo that commands a lot of possession, that could again lead to a big score conceded. Armagh began the season at around the same level as Down, but based on Monaghan result those games have likely brought them on, so should be close enough at the end. Extra time would not surprise.
definitely think if our injuries clear up armagh have a good chance, we are playing a nice style of football which while somewhat open at the back allows our forward line to express themselves.
agreed subject to the referee it should be a good open game.
armagh by 3 8)
Would rather have avoided Mayo but on reflection it might be a good thing since making the super 8s following an easy draw would not be ideal for the development of this team. I think Armagh have a chance in this, the only downside is that it is away from home. Mayo apparently struggled to put a mediocre Down side away and gave up a few decent goal opportunities that if Down had taken may have led to a shock result. Mayo are worthy favourites and the Mayo of 2/3 years ago would blow Armagh away with their running power but I think they have lost some of this. Armagh on the other hand have found a few new younger players this season who play with no fear and I think we probably have a better forward line than Mayo's.
Quote from: our_fella on June 24, 2019, 01:39:01 PM
Don't see any mayo ones yapping now with 7pm game... Hypocrites.
You are correct, it would be more logical to have this game at 5pm, as the distance from Tyrone to Newbridge (5pm game) is a lot shorter than Armagh to Castlebar.
I am sure there will be some really daft logic that will be thrown out there by the fixtures committee.
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Confirmed for Sky Sports.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
My bad, I thought Tyrone was a lot closer.
Expect Tony McEntee will help Armagh navigate this one!
Good to see that after Mayo fans complaining about the throw in time last week that the GAA have listened to supporters complaints and have took into account the travel time involved for Armagh fans.......by fixing the game for 7pm!! So it will be the small hours before supporters arrive back home. You would think they would have learned the lesson from the week previously but sadly not.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Not much motorway on the Armagh-Castlebar run.
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Armagh is a fairly big place like, or do you mean the city itself?
The " look at us, arnt we great brigade" will find it difficult against Armagh.
Reckon it will be 1am Sunday morning at the earliest before we make it back home from Castlebar ... just hope the result is in our favour to make the journey seem shorter!
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 24, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
The " look at us, arnt we great brigade" will find it difficult against Armagh.
Take a look at your username when you get a minute...
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 24, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
The " look at us, arnt we great brigade" will find it difficult against Armagh.
Stick to the financial game as the comedy game doesn't suit you!
Quote from: balladmaker on June 24, 2019, 02:55:22 PM
Reckon it will be 1am Sunday morning at the earliest before we make it back home from Castlebar ... just hope the result is in our favour to make the journey seem shorter!
This game is a toss up, possibly Armagh favorites.
An aging Mayo team with a lot of injuries and a slowing back line V a young Armagh team with three excellent forwards.
I will be quite happy to be wrong.
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 24, 2019, 02:55:22 PM
Reckon it will be 1am Sunday morning at the earliest before we make it back home from Castlebar ... just hope the result is in our favour to make the journey seem shorter!
This game is a toss up, possibly Armagh favorites.
An aging Mayo team with a lot of injuries and a slowing back line V a young Armagh team with three excellent forwards.
I will be quite happy to be wrong.
Paddypower
mayo 4/11
Armagh 11/4
Draw 15/2
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Who the hell counts in feckin' kilometres? ::)
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2019, 02:40:45 PM
Good to see that after Mayo fans complaining about the throw in time last week that the GAA have listened to supporters complaints and have took into account the travel time involved for Armagh fans.......by fixing the game for 7pm!! So it will be the small hours before supporters arrive back home. You would think they would have learned the lesson from the week previously but sadly not.
Make the most of the weekend and stay down ffs. Armagh's season is usually over by the last weekend of June!
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Who the hell counts in feckin' kilometres? ::)
People in the 26....miles is the old colonial measure...
'Fortress' Castlebar. Armagh may well win this one given the fact it's in Castlebar.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Who the hell counts in feckin’ kilometres? ::)
people who want to the distance seem bigger
there isn''t the same whinge factor in 143 and 144.45 miles
wed baate them anytime anywhere
I asked earlier have Mayo ever lost a qualifier in MacHale Park? I was greeted with silence so I presume the answer was never.
I think this will likely be the end of the road for Armagh, hard enough to beat one Division 1 team away from home never mind two and Mayo are better than Monaghan. If Murnin,Grimley and James Morgan are out Armagh's chances of causing an upset will be much slimmer.
Quote from: maddog on June 24, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 24, 2019, 02:55:22 PM
Reckon it will be 1am Sunday morning at the earliest before we make it back home from Castlebar ... just hope the result is in our favour to make the journey seem shorter!
This game is a toss up, possibly Armagh favorites.
An aging Mayo team with a lot of injuries and a slowing back line V a young Armagh team with three excellent forwards.
I will be quite happy to be wrong.
Paddypower
mayo 4/11
Armagh 11/4
Draw 15/2
Those odds are daft, and are based on league stature as opposed to current form.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Who the hell counts in feckin' kilometres? ::)
21st Century people ;)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
I asked earlier have Mayo ever lost a qualifier in MacHale Park? I was greeted with silence so I presume the answer was never.
I think this will likely be the end of the road for Armagh, hard enough to beat one Division 1 team away from home never mind two and Mayo are better than Monaghan. If Murnin,Grimley and James Morgan are out Armagh's chances of causing an upset will be much slimmer.
We haven't played many qualifiers at McHale Park. The first qualifier game I remember going to at McHale park was Cavan in 2007 which we won although all I remember from that game was Pierce Hanley playing in that game. After that I think we have beaten Fermanagh and Kildare in McHale park in 2016 so my guess would be we have played three and won three qualifiers in McHale park since the back door came in. I am probably forgetting a game or two somewhere!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 24, 2019, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Who the hell counts in feckin' kilometres? ::)
People in the 26....miles is the old colonial measure...
Funny that, because any time I ask for directions in the south, the answer is always in miles.
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 24, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
I asked earlier have Mayo ever lost a qualifier in MacHale Park? I was greeted with silence so I presume the answer was never.
I think this will likely be the end of the road for Armagh, hard enough to beat one Division 1 team away from home never mind two and Mayo are better than Monaghan. If Murnin,Grimley and James Morgan are out Armagh's chances of causing an upset will be much slimmer.
We haven't played many qualifiers at McHale Park. The first qualifier game I remember going to at McHale park was Cavan in 2007 which we won although all I remember from that game was Pierce Hanley playing in that game. After that I think we have beaten Fermanagh and Kildare in McHale park in 2016 so my guess would be we have played three and won three qualifiers in McHale park since the back door came in. I am probably forgetting a game or two somewhere!!
Beat Derry recently also so a good record v Ulster teams at home.
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 24, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
I asked earlier have Mayo ever lost a qualifier in MacHale Park? I was greeted with silence so I presume the answer was never.
I think this will likely be the end of the road for Armagh, hard enough to beat one Division 1 team away from home never mind two and Mayo are better than Monaghan. If Murnin,Grimley and James Morgan are out Armagh's chances of causing an upset will be much slimmer.
We haven't played many qualifiers at McHale Park. The first qualifier game I remember going to at McHale park was Cavan in 2007 which we won although all I remember from that game was Pierce Hanley playing in that game. After that I think we have beaten Fermanagh and Kildare in McHale park in 2016 so my guess would be we have played three and won three qualifiers in McHale park since the back door came in. I am probably forgetting a game or two somewhere!!
Didn't Mayo play Roscommon in a qualifier in the very early days of them in Castlebar?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 24, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
I asked earlier have Mayo ever lost a qualifier in MacHale Park? I was greeted with silence so I presume the answer was never.
I think this will likely be the end of the road for Armagh, hard enough to beat one Division 1 team away from home never mind two and Mayo are better than Monaghan. If Murnin,Grimley and James Morgan are out Armagh's chances of causing an upset will be much slimmer.
We haven't played many qualifiers at McHale Park. The first qualifier game I remember going to at McHale park was Cavan in 2007 which we won although all I remember from that game was Pierce Hanley playing in that game. After that I think we have beaten Fermanagh and Kildare in McHale park in 2016 so my guess would be we have played three and won three qualifiers in McHale park since the back door came in. I am probably forgetting a game or two somewhere!!
Beat Derry recently also so a good record v Ulster teams at home.
Good shout, how could I forget that game. There was a great atmosphere in the stand that evening and I thought we were gone till Loftus buried that goal, then we conceded again, nearly lost and won it out in extra time!! I think Clarkie saved a penalty in that game!!
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 24, 2019, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 24, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
I asked earlier have Mayo ever lost a qualifier in MacHale Park? I was greeted with silence so I presume the answer was never.
I think this will likely be the end of the road for Armagh, hard enough to beat one Division 1 team away from home never mind two and Mayo are better than Monaghan. If Murnin,Grimley and James Morgan are out Armagh's chances of causing an upset will be much slimmer.
We haven't played many qualifiers at McHale Park. The first qualifier game I remember going to at McHale park was Cavan in 2007 which we won although all I remember from that game was Pierce Hanley playing in that game. After that I think we have beaten Fermanagh and Kildare in McHale park in 2016 so my guess would be we have played three and won three qualifiers in McHale park since the back door came in. I am probably forgetting a game or two somewhere!!
Didn't Mayo play Roscommon in a qualifier in the very early days of them in Castlebar?
The earliest qualifier game I remember going to was a loss to Westmeath in 2001 which was in the Hyde. I was living in the States for 2002 so I wasn't at any games that year and the only one that was on TV was the quarter final loss to Cork in Croker.
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 24, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 24, 2019, 02:55:22 PM
Reckon it will be 1am Sunday morning at the earliest before we make it back home from Castlebar ... just hope the result is in our favour to make the journey seem shorter!
This game is a toss up, possibly Armagh favorites.
An aging Mayo team with a lot of injuries and a slowing back line V a young Armagh team with three excellent forwards.
I will be quite happy to be wrong.
Paddypower
mayo 4/11
Armagh 11/4
Draw 15/2
Those odds are daft, and are based on league stature as opposed to current form.
Current form for both teams would be one loss and one defeat in the last two games
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Who the hell counts in feckin' kilometres? ::)
People who aren't imperialists. You always know a West Brit by their Miles, Stones and similar shite.
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: maddog on June 24, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 03:08:22 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 24, 2019, 02:55:22 PM
Reckon it will be 1am Sunday morning at the earliest before we make it back home from Castlebar ... just hope the result is in our favour to make the journey seem shorter!
This game is a toss up, possibly Armagh favorites.
An aging Mayo team with a lot of injuries and a slowing back line V a young Armagh team with three excellent forwards.
I will be quite happy to be wrong.
Paddypower
mayo 4/11
Armagh 11/4
Draw 15/2
Those odds are daft, and are based on league stature as opposed to current form.
Would ye quit the owl mind games already. Mayo are clear favourites playing at home against an Armagh side who have been blowing hot and cold for a few years and look to be missing 3 massive players through injury. Plus two of our main players are barely out of their teens, great lads but they've never faced men like O'Shea and Keegan before.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 24, 2019, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Who the hell counts in feckin' kilometres? ::)
People in the 26....miles is the old colonial measure...
Funny that, because any time I ask for directions in the south, the answer is always in miles.
By the time who have opened your mouth to ask directions, the canny southerner has already figured out you're from the 6 counties, haven't planned your journey, can't use google maps and most probably thinks a klick is the sound a timer makes.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 24, 2019, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 24, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
I asked earlier have Mayo ever lost a qualifier in MacHale Park? I was greeted with silence so I presume the answer was never.
I think this will likely be the end of the road for Armagh, hard enough to beat one Division 1 team away from home never mind two and Mayo are better than Monaghan. If Murnin,Grimley and James Morgan are out Armagh's chances of causing an upset will be much slimmer.
We haven't played many qualifiers at McHale Park. The first qualifier game I remember going to at McHale park was Cavan in 2007 which we won although all I remember from that game was Pierce Hanley playing in that game. After that I think we have beaten Fermanagh and Kildare in McHale park in 2016 so my guess would be we have played three and won three qualifiers in McHale park since the back door came in. I am probably forgetting a game or two somewhere!!
Didn't Mayo play Roscommon in a qualifier in the very early days of them in Castlebar?
Yes. Won that one.
I give Armagh a great chance here
This Mayo team doesn't seem to play well in Castlebar
Three Connacht defeats there in four years, a series of unimpressive qualifier performances against moderate opposition there, some bad league defeats there too
It's a bit like Waterford hurlers and Walsh Park
Mayo will let that Armagh forward division play and they could make hay
Wouldn't be at all surprised to see it go to extra-time however, and I doubt there will be more than one score in it at the end
One of these qualifiers is going to go to penalties sooner or later and this could be it
I sense an epic in the offing
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
Quote from: Main Street on June 24, 2019, 06:03:51 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 24, 2019, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on June 24, 2019, 01:55:43 PM
Omagh - Newbridge : 231 km
Armagh - Castlebar : 223 km
Who the hell counts in feckin' kilometres? ::)
People in the 26....miles is the old colonial measure...
Funny that, because any time I ask for directions in the south, the answer is always in miles.
By the time who have opened your mouth to ask directions, the canny southerner has already figured out you're from the 6 counties, haven't planned your journey, can't use google maps and most probably thinks a klick is the sound a timer makes.
Aye, right enough. I do always wear my "I'm from the North" t-shirt when I'm in the south ::)
Good post sid. Kinda how I feel myself about it. As for an epic, it could be - for a neutral!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2019, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 24, 2019, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 24, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
I asked earlier have Mayo ever lost a qualifier in MacHale Park? I was greeted with silence so I presume the answer was never.
I think this will likely be the end of the road for Armagh, hard enough to beat one Division 1 team away from home never mind two and Mayo are better than Monaghan. If Murnin,Grimley and James Morgan are out Armagh's chances of causing an upset will be much slimmer.
We haven't played many qualifiers at McHale Park. The first qualifier game I remember going to at McHale park was Cavan in 2007 which we won although all I remember from that game was Pierce Hanley playing in that game. After that I think we have beaten Fermanagh and Kildare in McHale park in 2016 so my guess would be we have played three and won three qualifiers in McHale park since the back door came in. I am probably forgetting a game or two somewhere!!
Didn't Mayo play Roscommon in a qualifier in the very early days of them in Castlebar?
Yes. Won that one.
That was a very one-sided game. Nigel Dineen got a goal into the Albany end in the second half that really didn't matter one way or the other, as the game was well gone by then. However, the Cake was in goal for the Ros, and when he saw Dineen score the goal, Cake ran towards the stand, tumbled the wildcat, and came up doing pistol salutes.
He was some buckaroo, the Cake. Great days.
Where would you go to watch the 5pm game within handy walking distance of McHale Park?
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 24, 2019, 11:07:18 PM
Where would you go to watch the 5pm game within handy walking distance of McHale Park?
Garbos , Beside the Bowling alley!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2019, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on June 24, 2019, 11:07:18 PM
Where would you go to watch the 5pm game within handy walking distance of McHale Park?
Garbos , Beside the Bowling alley!
Or upstairs in Castlebar Mitchels club house.
Armagh have a chance but I think Mayo will squeeze them and force long kick outs up the middle and they will dominate midfield. If Armagh are starved of ball they will struggle to get their excellent forwards into the match. Any other tactic from Mayo could see them in trouble.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
dropping Higgins is a big call?
id leave hime on but encourage hime to attack more . he seemed to be under order not to drive forward as much as normal in newry . which is probably his best asset
Quote from: rosnarun on June 25, 2019, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
dropping Higgins is a big call?
id leave hime on but encourage hime to attack more . he seemed to be under order not to drive forward as much as normal in newry . which is probably his best asset
Well then don't play him corner back! Corner back's first job should be to stick to his man and not give him an inch.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 25, 2019, 10:54:56 AM
dropping Higgins is a big call?
id leave hime on but encourage hime to attack more . he seemed to be under order not to drive forward as much as normal in newry . which is probably his best asset
It would be a big call alright but I think he's lost a little of his pace and also, maybe he could do with a wake up call. If we were to go with a sweeper, I'd pick him or McLoughlin for the role
I was quite confident that Armagh would beat a Monaghan team on a downward spiral. That same confidence doesn't extend to this match however.
It will definitely be an uphill struggle. I think this game might go a little like the Roscommon match last year. A bit of a shootout with some lovely scores being taken. Mayo just to edge it towards the end.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 25, 2019, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 25, 2019, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
dropping Higgins is a big call?
id leave hime on but encourage hime to attack more . he seemed to be under order not to drive forward as much as normal in newry . which is probably his best asset
Well then don't play him corner back! Corner back's first job should be to stick to his man and not give him an inch.
not at all higgnis at corner back has bee a huge attacking asset for mayo , it very much his unique role not quiet replicated by any other corner back and Mayo not be able to do a like for like replacement ,
playing forther up the fiel doe not suit him nearly as well as we daw from some of the experiments over the years .
Hes always had the pace to cover back as well, even up to roscommon this year
Quote from: rosnarun on June 25, 2019, 02:32:05 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 25, 2019, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 25, 2019, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
dropping Higgins is a big call?
id leave hime on but encourage hime to attack more . he seemed to be under order not to drive forward as much as normal in newry . which is probably his best asset
Well then don't play him corner back! Corner back's first job should be to stick to his man and not give him an inch.
not at all higgnis at corner back has bee a huge attacking asset for mayo , it very much his unique role not quiet replicated by any other corner back and Mayo not be able to do a like for like replacement ,
playing forther up the fiel doe not suit him nearly as well as we daw from some of the experiments over the years .
Hes always had the pace to cover back as well, even up to roscommon this year
Have to disagree - Higgins has been caught standing too far off his man for several years, not several weeks. He can be brilliant in the corner, but this tendency to get caught out has cost us, and is costing us more frequently now that he's probably lost some of the turn of pace.
Disappointed with the draw and I would have liked to see both teams in the Super 8.
But really looking forward to the game. Mayo are great value when they win, and possibly even better when they lose! Armagh a good mix of tough defenders and exciting forwards as well as a what looks like a potential star midfielder.
But I think a big game from Aidan O'Shea is on the cards, and Mayo to come from behind at half-time to win by 4.
If Ah Ref is correct, then more bother for Mayo with him rumouring Diarmuid O'Connor being unavailable.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 25, 2019, 02:32:05 PM
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Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
Would like to see us line up like this (assuming Horan isn't going to change tack and suddenly start playing a sweeper or even a semi-sweeper the way McLoughlin used to play)
Clarke
Barrett Harrison EOD
Keegan Plunkett Durcan
AOS DOC
McLoughlin Loftus McDonagh
Moran Coen Carr/Regan
dropping Higgins is a big call?
id leave hime on but encourage hime to attack more . he seemed to be under order not to drive forward as much as normal in newry . which is probably his best asset
Well then don't play him corner back! Corner back's first job should be to stick to his man and not give him an inch.
not at all higgnis at corner back has bee a huge attacking asset for mayo , it very much his unique role not quiet replicated by any other corner back and Mayo not be able to do a like for like replacement ,
playing forther up the fiel doe not suit him nearly as well as we daw from some of the experiments over the years .
Hes always had the pace to cover back as well, even up to roscommon this year
Did Philly McMahon not score 1-2 in an All-Ireland Final when marking Colm Cooper???? or does he not count?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If Ah Ref is correct, then more bother for Mayo with him rumouring Diarmuid O'Connor being unavailable.
He is correct unfortunately. Unbelievable amount of midfield options out injured now. May have to chance Mikey Murray who made his debut last week off the bench, or hope Vaughan is fit enough....
Quote from: Tubberman on June 26, 2019, 09:34:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If Ah Ref is correct, then more bother for Mayo with him rumouring Diarmuid O'Connor being unavailable.
He is correct unfortunately. Unbelievable amount of midfield options out injured now. May have to chance Mikey Murray who made his debut last week off the bench, or hope Vaughan is fit enough....
choice from Stephen coen , james McCormack a half fit Seamie /Vaughan or crowe or the Drake .
maybe Jason Doherty performing a Diarmauid type role
none ideal scenarios but I'd take Coen
Diarmuid O'Connor out for the rest of the season!
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/33916-mayo-captain-suffers-unlucky-break?fbclid=IwAR2HytILL8NEGvV98qVzmVPzG6cBp73U7bdNfdY1EYSn2IOqmeBfyHYJc9g (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/33916-mayo-captain-suffers-unlucky-break?fbclid=IwAR2HytILL8NEGvV98qVzmVPzG6cBp73U7bdNfdY1EYSn2IOqmeBfyHYJc9g)
:-\
At this stage we will have to send for Big Bird
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 26, 2019, 09:34:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If Ah Ref is correct, then more bother for Mayo with him rumouring Diarmuid O'Connor being unavailable.
He is correct unfortunately. Unbelievable amount of midfield options out injured now. May have to chance Mikey Murray who made his debut last week off the bench, or hope Vaughan is fit enough....
choice from Stephen coen , james McCormack a half fit Seamie /Vaughan or crowe or the Drake .
maybe Jason Doherty performing a Diarmauid type role
none ideal scenarios but I'd take Coen
Square pegs in round holes spring to mind.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 26, 2019, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 26, 2019, 09:34:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If Ah Ref is correct, then more bother for Mayo with him rumouring Diarmuid O'Connor being unavailable.
He is correct unfortunately. Unbelievable amount of midfield options out injured now. May have to chance Mikey Murray who made his debut last week off the bench, or hope Vaughan is fit enough....
choice from Stephen coen , james McCormack a half fit Seamie /Vaughan or crowe or the Drake .
maybe Jason Doherty performing a Diarmauid type role
none ideal scenarios but I'd take Coen
Square pegs in round holes spring to mind.
er got to put some one in . itd be a huge ask for Mickey Murray .
time to send for the 'real deal ' ?
On the plus side for Mayo, Vaughan and S O'Shea trained and are available for selection https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10052817/
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 26, 2019, 09:34:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If Ah Ref is correct, then more bother for Mayo with him rumouring Diarmuid O'Connor being unavailable.
He is correct unfortunately. Unbelievable amount of midfield options out injured now. May have to chance Mikey Murray who made his debut last week off the bench, or hope Vaughan is fit enough....
choice from Stephen coen , james McCormack a half fit Seamie /Vaughan or crowe or the Drake .
maybe Jason Doherty performing a Diarmauid type role
none ideal scenarios but I'd take Coen
For midfield in a championship qualifier, You are joking right.
Quote from: joemamas on June 26, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 26, 2019, 09:34:45 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2019, 09:06:18 AM
If Ah Ref is correct, then more bother for Mayo with him rumouring Diarmuid O'Connor being unavailable.
He is correct unfortunately. Unbelievable amount of midfield options out injured now. May have to chance Mikey Murray who made his debut last week off the bench, or hope Vaughan is fit enough....
choice from Stephen coen , james McCormack a half fit Seamie /Vaughan or crowe or the Drake .
maybe Jason Doherty performing a Diarmauid type role
none ideal scenarios but I'd take Coen
For midfield in a championship qualifier, You are joking right.
hes the best available . absolutlly dependable works like a dog , can play anywhere from 2 to 9 .
not my 1st choice midfielder , but unless Tom parsons/s o shea make a huge recovery I don't see a better option
DOC getting injured puts a serious dent in qualifying for the Super Duper 8's. Headquarters must be worried that there will be little or no interest in the last 8 the way things are going. Super Duper 8's without the Super Supported Mayo team would be another blow to financing Dublin GAA.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2019, 03:51:57 PM
DOC getting injured puts a serious dent in qualifying for the Super Duper 8's. Headquarters must be worried that there will be little or no interest in the last 8 the way things are going. Super Duper 8's without the Super Supported Mayo team would be another blow to financing Dublin GAA.
I never saw a sports administrator like the GAA with gaelic football
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-dublin-have-always-had-advantages-so-what-s-new-1.3937413
"From the GAA's perspective there is no ambivalence about the impact of the development work in Dublin. The games are holding their own in the most competitive environment in the country and its main urban area and year after year Croke Park has made it clear that they have no wish to make radical alterations to the Dublin project but instead to try to roll it out elsewhere.
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown"
Very disappointing for DOC
Armagh @ 11/4 are definitely worth a few quid for anyone from the orchard County
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 26, 2019, 09:38:06 PM
Very disappointing for DOC
Armagh @ 11/4 are definitely worth a few quid for anyone from the orchard County
Bookies rarely get the odds wrong but they have slipped up on Mayo a few times .
Every Mayo person knows the game is up. As it turns out injuries as well as age have done us for sure.
Mayo now remind me of my old ageing Labrador dogs. They used to look sprightly enough 10/11 years of age and could do pretty much what they always did. But it's like there s a time bomb attached to their DNA. They might make 13 but not many labs make 14.
Mayo reminds me of those old dogs. The fans/ owners want them to wind the clock back but that is impossible. The injuries to Parsons, Ruane and Diarmuid are health complications that just comes for the death in case fans/ owners are under any illusions that things might get better. Under the circumstances making the Super 8s would be a very good year.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2019, 11:39:52 PM
Every Mayo person knows the game is up. As it turns out injuries as well as age have done us for sure.
Mayo now remind me of my old ageing Labrador dogs. They used to look sprightly enough 10/11 years of age and could do pretty much what they always did. But it's like there s a time bomb attached to their DNA. They might make 13 but not many labs make 14.
Mayo reminds me of those old dogs. The fans/ owners want them to wind the clock back but that is impossible. The injuries to Parsons, Ruane and Diarmuid are health complications that just comes for the death in case fans/ owners are under any illusions that things might get better. Under the circumstances making the Super 8s would be a very good year.
Bedad moy, aisy on there or you will upset rosnarun! :D
I wasn't half as downbeat as that and it seemed to upset him.Come to thonk of it, you agreed sorta with him.
Dunno what's going on around the place at all.
Dunno what's going on with Team Mayo either but I'll hold off the obituary notices just yet.
I was happier leaving Newry than I was going there- not ecstatic or anything close to it but I did see some signs of hope. There could be a bit of life in them oul' Labradors yet.
The team is nowhere near good enough to trouble the Dubs but they were steeped in luck to survive during the qualifiers in years gone by. The game against Fermanagh is one of these games that comes to mind.
Okay, they haven't reproduced the form in the c'ships they showed against Kerry in both league games but they haven't completely lost the touch either.
I see a bit of hope in some of the younger members of the panel and a few that never managed to nail down a starting place yet.
Your townie, young Regan is one of them. Darren Coen and Conor Loftus as well as Fionn McDonagh are showing good form as some of the older lads are showing a bit of mileage on the clock.
There are two things I found unusual about Mayo starting off the championship this time around and both may give a glimmer of hope yet.
For starters, there are a lot more with a realistic chance of claiming a berth than in any other year I can remember and the most promising ones are forwards.
If Cillian returns and can get back some of his old drive, like his YPOTY days, he'd be a massive asset for any team. Right now, I think we got a good draw in Armagh. There would have been no good in getting one of the weaker sides in the draw. Provide the team knuckle down to business, we should survive a tough test and in better shape to face whoever comes next.
The ironic thing is that I can't see any of the others putting it up to Dublin this year, except Donegal as a very long shot. I'm not holding out too much hope for anything but I think we may have a bit to go yet.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2019, 11:39:52 PM
Every Mayo person knows the game is up. As it turns out injuries as well as age have done us for sure.
Mayo now remind me of my old ageing Labrador dogs. They used to look sprightly enough 10/11 years of age and could do pretty much what they always did. But it's like there s a time bomb attached to their DNA. They might make 13 but not many labs make 14.
Mayo reminds me of those old dogs. The fans/ owners want them to wind the clock back but that is impossible. The injuries to Parsons, Ruane and Diarmuid are health complications that just comes for the death in case fans/ owners are under any illusions that things might get better. Under the circumstances making the Super 8s would be a very good year.
Bedad moy, aisy on there or you will upset rosnarun! :D
I wasn't half as downbeat as that and it seemed to upset him.Come to thonk of it, you agreed sorta with him.
Dunno what's going on around the place at all.
Dunno what's going on with Team Mayo either but I'll hold off the obituary notices just yet.
I was happier leaving Newry than I was going there- not ecstatic or anything close to it but I did see some signs of hope. There could be a bit of life in them oul' Labradors yet.
The team is nowhere near good enough to trouble the Dubs but they were steeped in luck to survive during the qualifiers in years gone by. The game against Fermanagh is one of these games that comes to mind.
Okay, they haven't reproduced the form in the c'ships they showed against Kerry in both league games but they haven't completely lost the touch either.
I see a bit of hope in some of the younger members of the panel and a few that never managed to nail down a starting place yet.
Your townie, young Regan is one of them. Darren Coen and Conor Loftus as well as Fionn McDonagh are showing good form as some of the older lads are showing a bit of mileage on the clock.
There are two things I found unusual about Mayo starting off the championship this time around and both may give a glimmer of hope yet.
For starters, there are a lot more with a realistic chance of claiming a berth than in any other year I can remember and the most promising ones are forwards.
If Cillian returns and can get back some of his old drive, like his YPOTY days, he'd be a massive asset for any team. Right now, I think we got a good draw in Armagh. There would have been no good in getting one of the weaker sides in the draw. Provide the team knuckle down to business, we should survive a tough test and in better shape to face whoever comes next.
The ironic thing is that I can't see any of the others putting it up to Dublin this year, except Donegal as a very long shot. I'm not holding out too much hope for anything but I think we may have a bit to go yet.
Yeah. What I was talking about was this team in general though. Sure there are some good lads coming along but.....
A fit Tom Parsons could have been around a few years to transition the team. Cillian has been winged with injuries from the start of his career. Now we've lost Ruane and O Connor the Younger. They are hits that cannot be addressed in the short term. Summer championship is short term of course.
Being happier leaving Newry is a common phenomenon!
Mayo host Armagh tomorrow evening in Round 3 of the Football qualifiers at Intersport Elverys MacHale Park at 7pm.
James Horan makes four changes to this starting team with Michael Plunkett, Donal Vaughan, Fergal Boland & Mikey Murray all named to start. The players to miss out are Colm Boyle, Diarmuid O'Connor(injured), Jason Doherty & Darren Coen.
1. David Clarke – Ballina Stephenites
2. Chris Barrett – Belmullet
3. Brendan Harrison – Aghamore
4. Keith Higgins – Ballyhaunis
5. Lee Keegan – Westport
6. Michael Plunkett – Ballintubber
7. Patrick Durcan – Castlebar Mitchels(C)
8. Donal Vaughan – Castlebar Mitchels
9. Aidan O'Shea – Breaffy
10. Fionn McDonagh – Westport
11. Conor Loftus – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
12. Mikey Murray – Ballina Stephenites
13. Kevin McLoughlin – Knockmore
14. Andy Moran – Ballaghaderreen
15. Fergal Boland – Aghamore
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2019, 10:01:19 AM
Mayo host Armagh tomorrow evening in Round 3 of the Football qualifiers at Intersport Elverys MacHale Park at 7pm.
James Horan makes four changes to this starting team with Michael Plunkett, Donal Vaughan, Fergal Boland & Mikey Murray all named to start. The players to miss out are Colm Boyle, Diarmuid O'Connor(injured), Jason Doherty & Darren Coen.
1. David Clarke – Ballina Stephenites
2. Chris Barrett – Belmullet
3. Brendan Harrison – Aghamore
4. Keith Higgins – Ballyhaunis
5. Lee Keegan – Westport
6. Michael Plunkett – Ballintubber
7. Patrick Durcan – Castlebar Mitchels(C)
8. Donal Vaughan – Castlebar Mitchels
9. Aidan O'Shea – Breaffy
10. Fionn McDonagh – Westport
11. Conor Loftus – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
12. Mikey Murray – Ballina Stephenites
13. Kevin McLoughlin – Knockmore
14. Andy Moran – Ballaghaderreen
15. Fergal Boland – Aghamore
Interesting team, Darren Coen is very unlucky to miss out, unless he has picked up an injury. Delighted for Mikey Murray he has been playing great football for the Stephenites after a run of injuries. Good to see Loftus getting a run in the team and good to see Plunkett back in at CHB.
Happy with that team, full back line is still a concern, probably won't matter tomorrow as it's a team set up to dominate the middle and starve Armagh of possession.
My main concern would be half-forwards - in that we have 2 in the FF line, and have a very inexperienced starting HF line. Would have thought it would make more sense to start Darren Coen or James Carr (assuming COC still not available).
Maybe that will happen yet.
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 28, 2019, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2019, 10:01:19 AM
Mayo host Armagh tomorrow evening in Round 3 of the Football qualifiers at Intersport Elverys MacHale Park at 7pm.
James Horan makes four changes to this starting team with Michael Plunkett, Donal Vaughan, Fergal Boland & Mikey Murray all named to start. The players to miss out are Colm Boyle, Diarmuid O'Connor(injured), Jason Doherty & Darren Coen.
1. David Clarke – Ballina Stephenites
2. Chris Barrett – Belmullet
3. Brendan Harrison – Aghamore
4. Keith Higgins – Ballyhaunis
5. Lee Keegan – Westport
6. Michael Plunkett – Ballintubber
7. Patrick Durcan – Castlebar Mitchels(C)
8. Donal Vaughan – Castlebar Mitchels
9. Aidan O'Shea – Breaffy
10. Fionn McDonagh – Westport
11. Conor Loftus – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
12. Mikey Murray – Ballina Stephenites
13. Kevin McLoughlin – Knockmore
14. Andy Moran – Ballaghaderreen
15. Fergal Boland – Aghamore
Interesting team, Darren Coen is very unlucky to miss out, unless he has picked up an injury. Delighted for Mikey Murray he has been playing great football for the Stephenites after a run of injuries. Good to see Loftus getting a run in the team and good to see Plunkett back in at CHB.
Same as that. I thought Darren Coen would be a shoo-in but maybe he is injured.Interesting that four of the forwards are relative newcomers, Andy and Kevin Mac are the only ones you could call veterans. Hope Mikey rises to the occasion. I too heard he is in great form at the moment. Midfield is fine. Backs may be a problem. Loose marking could cost us dear. I think the HB line is sound and Chris Barrett is in flying form but he mightn't last the full stretch. I wonder why EOD is out of favour- stlll, JH knows more than I do. (But I do wonder at times! ;D)
I can only foresee one change. Darren Coen in at full forward, McLoughlin moving to half forwards, with Murray going to midfield instead of Vaughan.
However I'll be proven wrong I'd say.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2019, 11:56:01 AM
I can only foresee one change. Darren Coen in at full forward, McLoughlin moving to half forwards, with Murray going to midfield instead of Vaughan.
However I'll be proven wrong I'd say.
That seems more than 1 change to me Farr ;)
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2019, 11:39:52 PM
Every Mayo person knows the game is up. As it turns out injuries as well as age have done us for sure.
Mayo now remind me of my old ageing Labrador dogs. They used to look sprightly enough 10/11 years of age and could do pretty much what they always did. But it's like there s a time bomb attached to their DNA. They might make 13 but not many labs make 14.
Mayo reminds me of those old dogs. The fans/ owners want them to wind the clock back but that is impossible. The injuries to Parsons, Ruane and Diarmuid are health complications that just comes for the death in case fans/ owners are under any illusions that things might get better. Under the circumstances making the Super 8s would be a very good year.
The only teams to put it up to the Dubs since 2012 were Donegal , Kerry and Mayo
Donegal and Kerry both fell away and are on the way back
Mayo kept going but now look like they need a bit of time out
Quote from: seafoid on June 28, 2019, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2019, 11:39:52 PM
Every Mayo person knows the game is up. As it turns out injuries as well as age have done us for sure.
Mayo now remind me of my old ageing Labrador dogs. They used to look sprightly enough 10/11 years of age and could do pretty much what they always did. But it's like there s a time bomb attached to their DNA. They might make 13 but not many labs make 14.
Mayo reminds me of those old dogs. The fans/ owners want them to wind the clock back but that is impossible. The injuries to Parsons, Ruane and Diarmuid are health complications that just comes for the death in case fans/ owners are under any illusions that things might get better. Under the circumstances making the Super 8s would be a very good year.
The only teams to put it up to the Dubs since 2012 were Donegal , Kerry and Mayo
Donegal and Kerry both fell away and are on the way back
Mayo kept going but now look like they need a bit of time out
Mayo had their time out last year, a June championship exit and i doubt they will want history to repeat itself tomorrow. Kerry have a bit to go before getting back to the level of 3 years ago when they pushed Dublin all the way in that semi final. Donegal should be aim to go one better and reach the AI semi final this summer.
Back in 2012 Meath were still putting it up to Dublin and the Leinster final back then had attendance of close to 70,000.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2019, 10:55:28 AM
My main concern would be half-forwards - in that we have 2 in the FF line, and have a very inexperienced starting HF line. Would have thought it would make more sense to start Darren Coen or James Carr (assuming COC still not available).
Maybe that will happen yet.
Watched the limited highlights of both Mayo v Down and Armagh V Monaghan for the second time last night.
Armagh really try to run at you, especially their half back line, and given the success that Down had last week, you can expect loads of it. I think Boland will end up playing wing forward and spending a lot of time in the midfield area to counter some of that threat.
Hope to God we can win.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2019, 11:39:52 PM
Every Mayo person knows the game is up. As it turns out injuries as well as age have done us for sure.
Mayo now remind me of my old ageing Labrador dogs. They used to look sprightly enough 10/11 years of age and could do pretty much what they always did. But it's like there s a time bomb attached to their DNA. They might make 13 but not many labs make 14.
Mayo reminds me of those old dogs. The fans/ owners want them to wind the clock back but that is impossible. The injuries to Parsons, Ruane and Diarmuid are health complications that just comes for the death in case fans/ owners are under any illusions that things might get better. Under the circumstances making the Super 8s would be a very good year.
Jaysus moysider you are gone to the dogs.
The game is up i agree but still doesn't stop Mayo football, the show goes on albeit our expectations are back to a more normalized position for a county that hasn't won the big prize in nearly 70 years now . The lads coming through should be setting a target of reaching super 8 regular and I think that's as far as it goes an odd semi final would be great . Point is new crop not near as good as old crop but again it's no harm to them cause that was a savage side who were just a tad shy of winning it out.
Would not be surprised if we beat Armagh well though , very poor defenders imo liable to ship a big score . It looks like we are going to set up to dominate the middle third and starve them of possession
Quote from: larryin89 on June 28, 2019, 01:41:39 PM
The game is up i agree but still doesn't stop Mayo football, the show goes on albeit our expectations are back to a more normalized position for a county that hasn't won the big prize in nearly 70 years now . The lads coming through should be setting a target of reaching super 8 regular and I think that's as far as it goes an odd semi final would be great . Point is new crop not near as good as old crop but again it's no harm to them cause that was a savage side who were just a tad shy of winning it out.
Would not be surprised if we beat Armagh well though , very poor defenders imo liable to ship a big score . It looks like we are going to set up to dominate the middle third and starve them of possession
This much is true however I'd ask the question who on that Mayo forward line is liable to score big?
I'm quite worried about tomorrow, I could see a potential banana skin popping up again in the qualifiers again. However, if they make it out alive I can still see Mayo giving any team, Dublin included, a proper game in a once off. I also believe Mayo are still the best placed team to challenge the dubs. I see this year as a last roll of the dice, if not this year I think it could be a quiet decade.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 28, 2019, 01:41:39 PM
The game is up i agree but still doesn’t stop Mayo football, the show goes on albeit our expectations are back to a more normalized position for a county that hasn’t won the big prize in nearly 70 years now . The lads coming through should be setting a target of reaching super 8 regular and I think that’s as far as it goes an odd semi final would be great . Point is new crop not near as good as old crop but again it’s no harm to them cause that was a savage side who were just a tad shy of winning it out.
Would not be surprised if we beat Armagh well though , very poor defenders imo liable to ship a big score . It looks like we are going to set up to dominate the middle third and starve them of possession
when did mayo people become such a dour lot .
surely id were known for anything it our endless optimism and it has served us well for the last decade or so .
I all I hear now moan whinge and bitch from lads and lassies with one foot off the bandwagon.
people seem to forget mayo won the last national title that was up for offer , there is an ongoing maybe forced rebuilding process going on but any one that been brought on so far has not been found lacking
Mayo by 5
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 28, 2019, 03:17:10 PM
I'm quite worried about tomorrow, I could see a potential banana skin popping up again in the qualifiers again. However, if they make it out alive I can still see Mayo giving any team, Dublin included, a proper game in a once off. I also believe Mayo are still the best placed team to challenge the dubs. I see this year as a last roll of the dice, if not this year I think it could be a quiet decade.
Very few people think that way anymore. I suppose there are fans like moy said that are stuck in 2016, 2017 terms still. You seem like one of them.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2019, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 28, 2019, 03:17:10 PM
I'm quite worried about tomorrow, I could see a potential banana skin popping up again in the qualifiers again. However, if they make it out alive I can still see Mayo giving any team, Dublin included, a proper game in a once off. I also believe Mayo are still the best placed team to challenge the dubs. I see this year as a last roll of the dice, if not this year I think it could be a quiet decade.
Very few people think that way anymore. I suppose there are fans like moy said that are stuck in 2016, 2017 terms still. You seem like one of them.
To be fair you were stuck in 2004/2006 in 2016/2017 😋
Eamon Fitzmaurice has a nice article about Mayo and their style of play in Saturdays examiner, at last someone has the balls to say publicly what everyone knows.
Any sign of an Armagh team? What's the story with injuries to Grimley and Murnin?
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 28, 2019, 11:55:16 PM
Eamon Fitzmaurice has a nice article about Mayo and their style of play in Saturdays examiner, at last someone has the balls to say publicly what everyone knows.
Physical and on the edge?
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 29, 2019, 01:02:11 AM
Any sign of an Armagh team? What's the story with injuries to Grimley and Murnin?
Murnin was in the gym on Thursday night. Took the bike I was gonna use. Didn't see what else he was doing tho so have no idea if he is fit to start or not
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 28, 2019, 11:55:16 PM
Eamon Fitzmaurice has a nice article about Mayo and their style of play in Saturdays examiner, at last someone has the balls to say publicly what everyone knows.
Yerra, he could be right for all I know. ;D
Telling him he's a gobshite won't change anything even if it is the truth.
It's not really relevant to what he has had to say about Mayo'd gamesmanship but people in glasshouse really shouldn't throw stones.
Under his watch, Kerry were masters of technical fouling. Cynical in the extreme and they probably still are. If you noticed, Kerry seldom gave away frees withing scoring distance but would pull and draw away further outfield id the opposition mounted an attack that looked dangerous.
That doesn't alter the credibility or otherwise of what he has to say but his remarks about Lee Keegan is another matter.
Leeroy tried , in vain as it turned out, to distract a freetaker at a crucial stage of the most important game of his life.
That was gamesmanship without a doubt but it's hypocritical to latch onto that incident while ignoring the facts of life. Cynicism is a hallmark of modern football and it's dog eat dog out there on the field whenever a Gaelic match is played.
Alan Brogan saw nothing wrong with what Keegan did. He said he'd have done the same under the same circumstances. Philly McMahon said he'd fire his shirt at the freetaker if he thought he'd get away with it.
Crocodile tears have no place in modern day football.
And talking about hypocrisy, why has there been no mention from Keegan's critics about the gamesmanship of Cormac Costello , just after "Keegan's transgression?"
Costello prevented David Clarke taking a kickout by running up to the tee and booting the ball into the crowd.
Leeroy did not succeed in doing what he was trying to do whereas Costello certainly did.
So why demonise one while ignoring the other?
Don't think any sensible person will pay a lot of attention of what Eamonn "Sour Grapes" Fitzmaurice has to say about anything; his credibility is shot and , btw, so is yours if you think like he does.
Well said......it's called selective outrage
Mayo won the u20 all-ireland last year; how many them lads starting the day. Should be about 5 at least. Donegal renewed their team over a 3yr period without dropping out the top 5. No reason Mayo cant do the same.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
Mayo won the u20 all-ireland last year; how many them lads starting the day. Should be about 5 at least. Donegal renewed their team over a 3yr period without dropping out the top 5. No reason Mayo cant do the same.
Kildare won it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
Mayo won the u20 all-ireland last year; how many them lads starting the day. Should be about 5 at least. Donegal renewed their team over a 3yr period without dropping out the top 5. No reason Mayo cant do the same.
Mayo won the 2016 U21 All Ireland. E O’Donoghue; M Ruane, S Coen; F Boland, C Loftus, D O’Connor; M Plunkett. J Carr are now on the team/bench or be it two of them are now ruled out though injury.
U20 is a poor mans U21 competition. Donegal had a good U21 team in 2017 that arguably would have won that All Ireland if Donegal senior management didn't wear out those players by playing them in the McKenna cup and NFL that year. U21 level was was a great bridge to senior level though and now you have a replacement competition that is poorly scheduled and where a lot of its best U20 players aren't even playing for their counties.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
Mayo won the u20 all-ireland last year; how many them lads starting the day. Should be about 5 at least. Donegal renewed their team over a 3yr period without dropping out the top 5. No reason Mayo cant do the same.
Donegal have managed to renew their team relatively quickly but they had a lot of low points in the Gallagher era. 2017 saw them get absolutely destroyed by both Tyrone and Galway.
I think when a squad goes through a bit of a transition you are generally looking at 2-3 years where you will fall off to a certain scale. Donegal definitely fell off since McGuinness left - I certainly wouldn't have considered them genuine All Ireland contenders in that time - this year I would. This is the 5th year post McGuinness, Gallagher would have got a lot of stick when he was over Donegal but that's what happens when you have overhaul a squad of great players. He gave a lot of those youngsters their break around 2015/16 and 3/4 years later they are really beginning to look like top intercounty players. Guys like Hugh McFadden, Jamie Brennan, Langan, McMenamin, Ban Gallagher all have 3/4/5 years experience at this level and are all beginning to look the part.
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 02:12:25 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 29, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
Mayo won the u20 all-ireland last year; how many them lads starting the day. Should be about 5 at least. Donegal renewed their team over a 3yr period without dropping out the top 5. No reason Mayo cant do the same.
Donegal have managed to renew their team relatively quickly but they had a lot of low points in the Gallagher era. 2017 saw them get absolutely destroyed by both Tyrone and Galway.
I think when a squad goes through a bit of a transition you are generally looking at 2-3 years where you will fall off to a certain scale. Donegal definitely fell off since McGuinness left - I certainly wouldn't have considered them genuine All Ireland contenders in that time - this year I would. This is the 5th year post McGuinness, Gallagher would have got a lot of stick when he was over Donegal but that's what happens when you have overhaul a squad of great players. He gave a lot of those youngsters their break around 2015/16 and 3/4 years later they are really beginning to look like top intercounty players. Guys like Hugh McFadden, Jamie Brennan, Langan, McMenamin, Ban Gallagher all have 3/4/5 years experience at this level and are all beginning to look the part.
A lot of those players would have played under a Declan Bonner managed U21 team and maybe its a case he knows those players better than most and can get the best out of them?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 28, 2019, 03:17:10 PM
I'm quite worried about tomorrow, I could see a potential banana skin popping up again in the qualifiers again. However, if they make it out alive I can still see Mayo giving any team, Dublin included, a proper game in a once off. I also believe Mayo are still the best placed team to challenge the dubs. I see this year as a last roll of the dice, if not this year I think it could be a quiet decade.
Cannot see much point in talking about challenging the Dubs when we have no guarantee of making it out of the qualifiers.
Also, a big disadvantage of the qualifiers is the amount of injuries that could be picked up, not to mention possibly one or two suspensions as well.
If we are still standing at the end of the qualifiers we'll hopefully have a better idea of where the team stand.
Cillian is on the bench , so is James Carr.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 29, 2019, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 28, 2019, 11:55:16 PM
Eamon Fitzmaurice has a nice article about Mayo and their style of play in Saturdays examiner, at last someone has the balls to say publicly what everyone knows.
Yerra, he could be right for all I know. ;D
Telling him he's a gobshite won't change anything even if it is the truth.
It's not really relevant to what he has had to say about Mayo'd gamesmanship but people in glasshouse really shouldn't throw stones.
Under his watch, Kerry were masters of technical fouling. Cynical in the extreme
and they probably still are. If you noticed, Kerry seldom gave away frees withing
scoring distance but would pull and draw away further outfield id the opposition
mounted an attack that looked dangerous.
That doesn't alter the credibility or otherwise of what he has to say but his remarks about Lee Keegan is another matter.
Leeroy tried , in vain as it turned out, to distract a freetaker at a crucial stage of the most important game of his life.
That was gamesmanship without a doubt but it's hypocritical to latch onto that incident while ignoring the facts of life. Cynicism is a hallmark of modern football and it's dog eat dog out there on the field whenever a Gaelic match is played.
Alan Brogan saw nothing wrong with what Keegan did. He said he'd have done the same under the same circumstances. Philly McMahon said he'd fire his shirt at the freetaker if he thought he'd get away with it.
Crocodile tears have no place in modern day football.
And talking about hypocrisy, why has there been no mention from Keegan's critics about the gamesmanship of Cormac Costello , just after "Keegan's transgression?"
Costello prevented David Clarke taking a kickout by running up to the tee and booting the ball into the crowd.
Leeroy did not succeed in doing what he was trying to do whereas Costello certainly did.
So why demonise one while ignoring the other?
Don't think any sensible person will pay a lot of attention of what Eamonn "Sour Grapes" Fitzmaurice has to say about anything; his credibility is shot and , btw, so is yours if you think like he does.
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Is that where the game is going, kerry or Tyrone doing it justifies mayo doing it or any other team doing it, the answer I would have expected from anyone who loves our games is that this behaviour must stop. The longer we let it go the more acceptable it gets. I hear my own county supporters saying we need a lee keegan type player on our team, my answer is no way but I know in my heart it will happen.
Until the powers that be act it wont happen and while the attitude of supporters is what you reflected in your reply to my post remain then the powers that be wont act.
have a nice day.
Are BBC Radio 6 Counties providing match commentary?
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 29, 2019, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 29, 2019, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 28, 2019, 11:55:16 PM
Eamon Fitzmaurice has a nice article about Mayo and their style of play in Saturdays examiner, at last someone has the balls to say publicly what everyone knows.
Yerra, he could be right for all I know. ;D
Telling him he's a gobshite won't change anything even if it is the truth.
It's not really relevant to what he has had to say about Mayo'd gamesmanship but people in glasshouse really shouldn't throw stones.
Under his watch, Kerry were masters of technical fouling. Cynical in the extreme
and they probably still are. If you noticed, Kerry seldom gave away frees withing
scoring distance but would pull and draw away further outfield id the opposition
mounted an attack that looked dangerous.
That doesn't alter the credibility or otherwise of what he has to say but his remarks about Lee Keegan is another matter.
Leeroy tried , in vain as it turned out, to distract a freetaker at a crucial stage of the most important game of his life.
That was gamesmanship without a doubt but it's hypocritical to latch onto that incident while ignoring the facts of life. Cynicism is a hallmark of modern football and it's dog eat dog out there on the field whenever a Gaelic match is played.
Alan Brogan saw nothing wrong with what Keegan did. He said he'd have done the same under the same circumstances. Philly McMahon said he'd fire his shirt at the freetaker if he thought he'd get away with it.
Crocodile tears have no place in modern day football.
And talking about hypocrisy, why has there been no mention from Keegan's critics about the gamesmanship of Cormac Costello , just after "Keegan's transgression?"
Costello prevented David Clarke taking a kickout by running up to the tee and booting the ball into the crowd.
Leeroy did not succeed in doing what he was trying to do whereas Costello certainly did.
So why demonise one while ignoring the other?
Don't think any sensible person will pay a lot of attention of what Eamonn "Sour Grapes" Fitzmaurice has to say about anything; his credibility is shot and , btw, so is yours if you think like he does.
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Is that where the game is going, kerry or Tyrone doing it justifies mayo doing it or any other team doing it, the answer I would have expected from anyone who loves our games is that this behaviour must stop. The longer we let it go the more acceptable it gets. I hear my own county supporters saying we need a lee keegan type player on our team, my answer is no way but I know in my heart it will happen.
Until the powers that be act it wont happen and while the attitude of supporters is what you reflected in your reply to my post remain then the powers that be wont act.
have a nice day.
Maybe if someone wrote a balanced piece on what should be done instead of singling out 1 county to try and get a reaction?
He can write all he wants about us. There won't be to many columns filled about us this season. Suppose he has to get his two pence worth before we are yesterdays news for another season!
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 29, 2019, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 29, 2019, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 28, 2019, 11:55:16 PM
Eamon Fitzmaurice has a nice article about Mayo and their style of play in Saturdays examiner, at last someone has the balls to say publicly what everyone knows.
Yerra, he could be right for all I know. ;D
Telling him he's a gobshite won't change anything even if it is the truth.
It's not really relevant to what he has had to say about Mayo'd gamesmanship but people in glasshouse really shouldn't throw stones.
Under his watch, Kerry were masters of technical fouling. Cynical in the extreme
and they probably still are. If you noticed, Kerry seldom gave away frees withing
scoring distance but would pull and draw away further outfield id the opposition
mounted an attack that looked dangerous.
That doesn't alter the credibility or otherwise of what he has to say but his remarks about Lee Keegan is another matter.
Leeroy tried , in vain as it turned out, to distract a freetaker at a crucial stage of the most important game of his life.
That was gamesmanship without a doubt but it's hypocritical to latch onto that incident while ignoring the facts of life. Cynicism is a hallmark of modern football and it's dog eat dog out there on the field whenever a Gaelic match is played.
Alan Brogan saw nothing wrong with what Keegan did. He said he'd have done the same under the same circumstances. Philly McMahon said he'd fire his shirt at the freetaker if he thought he'd get away with it.
Crocodile tears have no place in modern day football.
And talking about hypocrisy, why has there been no mention from Keegan's critics about the gamesmanship of Cormac Costello , just after "Keegan's transgression?"
Costello prevented David Clarke taking a kickout by running up to the tee and booting the ball into the crowd.
Leeroy did not succeed in doing what he was trying to do whereas Costello certainly did.
So why demonise one while ignoring the other?
Don't think any sensible person will pay a lot of attention of what Eamonn "Sour Grapes" Fitzmaurice has to say about anything; his credibility is shot and , btw, so is yours if you think like he does.
[/quo
Is that where the game is going, kerry or Tyrone doing it justifies mayo doing it or any other team doing it, the answer I would have expected from anyone who loves our games is that this behaviour must stop. The longer we let it go the more acceptable it gets. I hear my own county supporters saying we need a lee keegan type player on our team, my answer is no way but I know in my heart it will happen.
Until the powers that be act it wont happen and while the attitude of supporters is what you reflected in your reply to my post remain then the powers that be wont act.
have a nice day.
Is this the man you are talking about ?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/lee-keegan-mayo-roscommon-132739
Treacy starting instead of McLoughlin.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 29, 2019, 04:18:54 PM
Are BBC Radio 6 Counties providing match commentary?
Doesn't look like it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl8w
but maybe it is
https://twitter.com/bbcchampionship/status/1144992331768184834
All-Ireland qualifiers- Round 3
Kildare v Tyrone 17:00 Mayo v Armagh 19:00
Live on BBC Radio Ulster 1341MW @ 16:45
Online
▶️https://bbc.in/2IWVQ9K
Expect Mayo to win 10/15 points. Armagh had their All Ireland beating Monaghan last week
There are 4 change to Mayo starting team, Colm Boyle, Ciaran Treacy, Jason Doherty & Darren Coen replace Michael Plunkett, Donal Vaughan, Kevin McLoughlin & Fergal Boland
Nice display of comedy defending from both sides in the first 8 minutes! :D
Lively opening ten minutes Mayo 1-1 Armagh 1-3
Armagh have more energy here. 2nd half could finish some of these Mayo players.
You sense a goal coming....
Tyrone never had this luck against Mayo. No Cillian O'Connor and Lee Keegan off injured.
How did Burns get a yellow there for Doherty just charging at him after his score?
Half time Mayo 1-6 Armagh 1-5. Home side in front but have lost Lee Keegan who went off injured on 33 minutes.
Paul Earley hates Mayo
Which is ok, except when you are supposed to be providing an unbiased commentary
Still all to play for.
Maybe another game with extra time for Armagh.
Deegan has given Mayo a few handy ones.
Armagh well in this all the same. I think a few of their defenders look to lack a bit of pace. Think it might catch them out eventually.
Quote from: joemamas on June 29, 2019, 07:44:17 PM
Paul Earley hates Mayo
Which is ok, except when you are supposed to be providing an unbiased commentary
Yes, Earley sub text comments are so anti Mayo, it's hard to listen to.
Armagh deserve to be level at least half time. It's about keeping pace for second half now and try not give away anymore soft goals.
Deegan giving away too many soft frees.
Clarke and Campbell have been unusually quiet in attack and need to start getting their heads into the game.
Blaine Hughes' lockouts have been terrible. There was a period where 4 kickouts were immediately returned back to Mayo.
Quote from: Solo_run on June 29, 2019, 07:56:30 PM
Deegan giving away too many soft frees.
Clarke and Campbell have been unusually quiet in attack and need to start getting their heads into the game.
Blaine Hughes' lockouts have been terrible. There was a period where 4 kickouts were immediately returned back to Mayo.
Deegan being Deegan
Armagh getting a lot of soft frees against them
45 mins played level game. Mayo 1-8 Armagh 1-8
51 mins played a 2nd Mayo goal. 2-10 to 1-9 they lead.
Legs are going in the Armagh defence.
Mayo just getting their scores that bit easier and that's why they will probably sneak this
Armagh up against it now.
Clarke hits the post. Other Clarke got a touch to it.
Clarke tried to do a Peter Canavan there but Keeper with a good save.
Another soft conceded. Armagh can't help themselves. Not a glove laid on mcloughlin as waltz in. Clarke should have buried that goal chance moments later.
61 minutes played. Mayo 2-11 Armagh 1-12
Armagh on the ascendancy.
Referee is trying to win this for mayo !
Armagh playing 16 men
68 minutes played Mayo 2-12 Armagh 1-13
O'Neill has been a bit wasteful.
Armagh have every right to be absolutley furious with Maurice Deegan here today. He's refereeing the game under different sets of rules for each side.
Every free has the physio on the field now. Ridiculous
Shields a liability, least he's not diving today I suppose.
Armagh absolutely love the late hard fist into the player disguised as a tackle after the foul has already been called. The management team were experts at it too. Is wasn't picked up off the grass
Armagh will probably have some major regrets here.
Two goal chances in 2nd half. One saved off the post and one over the bar.
Full time Mayo 2-13 Armagh 1-15. C O'Connor marks his return with a couple of points from frees. Armagh will be left with loads of what ifs, Clarke had good goal chance come off the post and they kicked 12 wides.
FFS are Mayo trying to lose this?
Beating Armagh by a point is no call for celebration.
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
Surely the ref would have gave them time to work it in
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
He just saw his name in lights and hoofed it.
Huge regrets from Armagh.
Combination of missed chances and some poor decision making. Deegan was certainly worth 4 or 5 points to Mayo, he was much quicker to blow for frees for Mayo, seemed to consistently give Mayo players 3 or 4 more seconds to release the ball than Armagh. Why does Grimley not take the frees for Armagh? He's far better more reliable at them than O'Neill.
Big win for Mayo though, should make the Super 8s now. They really flagged near the end though and the mounting injuries are a huge cause of concern for them.
Armagh have never been fit to tackle!
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
This is one of the few observations on Armagh you've made that Armagh people would agree with you. It made no sense.
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 08:45:46 PM
Huge regrets from Armagh.
Combination of missed chances and some poor decision making. Deegan was certainly worth 4 or 5 points to Mayo, he was much quicker to blow for frees for Mayo, seemed to consistently give Mayo players 3 or 4 more seconds to release the ball than Armagh. Why does Grimley not take the frees for Armagh? He's far better more reliable at them than O'Neill.
Big win for Mayo though, should make the Super 8s now. They really flagged near the end though and the mounting injuries are a huge cause of concern for them.
Deegan (and most referees) do this! The higher up the food chain, the easier the frees.
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
Yes the man taking the free kicked the ball backwards. The player with the ball ran to where the free was taken form and had a shot at goal. No ground gained nearer goal and player kicking the ball under more pressure than the freetaker!
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
McGeeney's utter incompetence in tight games was on full display today.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 08:38:39 PM
Armagh will probably have some major regrets here.
Two goal chances in 2nd half. One saved off the post and one over the bar.
You think? Mayo can thank their lucky stars that they came through that game by the skin of their teeth.
Dunno what you're Man was at with that last play. Took it short then hoofed the return? Very silly. Armagh have improved mostly because of Burns and O'Neill. Mayo who are average, were just a step too far for the apple mumching c***ts.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 08:38:39 PM
Armagh will probably have some major regrets here.
Two goal chances in 2nd half. One saved off the post and one over the bar.
You think? Mayo can thank their lucky stars that they came through that game by the skin of their teeth.
Maybe! Maybe they are just postponing the inevitable. Then again Cork, Cavan, Galway and Meath await. Nothing there to send shivers down ones spine!
Quote from: sidelineball on June 29, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
Armagh absolutely love the late hard fist into the player disguised as a tackle after the foul has already been called. The management team were experts at it too. Is wasn't picked up off the grass
Why don't you f**k off
If you gamble nothing to day constructive
Stay off the board
That was a decent game two fair teams
We left it in the pitch
Disappointing
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2019, 08:56:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 08:38:39 PM
Armagh will probably have some major regrets here.
Two goal chances in 2nd half. One saved off the post and one over the bar.
You think? Mayo can thank their lucky stars that they came through that game by the skin of their teeth.
Maybe! Maybe they are just postponing the inevitable. Then again Cork, Cavan, Galway and Meath await. Nothing there to send shivers down ones spine!
That was the real test. Galway and Cavan are tricky assignments but I'd expect Mayo to get past Cork or Meath fairly handy although you never know with Mayo.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 29, 2019, 08:51:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
McGeeney's utter incompetence in tight games was on full display today.
please explain how?
Ridiculous statememt
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2019, 08:56:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 08:38:39 PM
Armagh will probably have some major regrets here.
Two goal chances in 2nd half. One saved off the post and one over the bar.
You think? Mayo can thank their lucky stars that they came through that game by the skin of their teeth.
Maybe! Maybe they are just postponing the inevitable. Then again Cork, Cavan, Galway and Meath await. Nothing there to send shivers down ones spine!
That was the real test. Galway and Cavan are tricky assignments but I'd expect Mayo to get past Cork or Meath fairly handy although you never know with Mayo.
I expect Mayo's next game to be a part of a double header in Croke Park. Mayo love playing in Croke Park and Headquarters will want them to get to the Super 8's. We were a big loss to revenue last year! And revenue is badly needed to keep funding Project Dublin GAA.
Quote from: JP on June 29, 2019, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 29, 2019, 08:51:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
McGeeney's utter incompetence in tight games was on full display today.
please explain how?
Ridiculous statememt
Mc garnet is doing fine
We are going places
f**king mayo flag in front of Liam Gallagher at Glastonbury
I thought Deegan rode Armagh all day to be honest but ultimately their finishing wasn't up to snuff in the second half and that cost them the match, Mayo far more economical in front of the posts after half time, some great scores from Coen
Quote from: naka on June 29, 2019, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: sidelineball on June 29, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
Armagh absolutely love the late hard fist into the player disguised as a tackle after the foul has already been called. The management team were experts at it too. Is wasn't picked up off the grass
Why don't you f**k off
If you gamble nothing to day constructive
Stay off the board
That was a decent game two fair teams
We left it in the pitch
Disappointing
Don't worry. It will pass.
McLoughlin is some man to get away with multiple steps. Those small ones must be hard for refs to count.
A good first 15 from Armagh and then we threw off the shackles when we went 5 down and really should have won the match with the missed scores in the second half. Soupy, Clarke and Donaghy were excellent and I don't understand why we conceded the Mayo kickout for as long as we did. We had them under serious pressure coming out of defense by pushing up in the last 10 minutes and Mayo looked like a seriously weary team. As much as I admire this Mayo side I think that they have simply delayed the inevitable today as the injuries continue to mount.
As for Armagh, I expect that opinion will be divided on whether McGeeney gets another contract. I think he has done ok, we all know his strengths and weaknesses but 5 years is a long time in a job without any real tangible success. Hard to know if anyone would do any better.
Brilliant fightback by Armagh then they threw it all away. Regrets aplenty I'd say, there's no consoling that loss.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 09:19:14 PM
McLoughlin is some man to get away with multiple steps. Those small ones must be hard for refs to count.
Ah now he's got nothing on Stefan Campbell!
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2019, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2019, 08:56:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 08:38:39 PM
Armagh will probably have some major regrets here.
Two goal chances in 2nd half. One saved off the post and one over the bar.
You think? Mayo can thank their lucky stars that they came through that game by the skin of their teeth.
Maybe! Maybe they are just postponing the inevitable. Then again Cork, Cavan, Galway and Meath await. Nothing there to send shivers down ones spine!
That was the real test. Galway and Cavan are tricky assignments but I'd expect Mayo to get past Cork or Meath fairly handy although you never know with Mayo.
I expect Mayo's next game to be a part of a double header in Croke Park. Mayo love playing in Croke Park and Headquarters will want them to get to the Super 8's. We were a big loss to revenue last year! And revenue is badly needed to keep funding Project Dublin GAA.
The GAA doesn't care about competition but that is what puts arses on seats
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-all-things-must-pass-even-dublin-s-dominance-1.3618397
« For all the talk about how poor a spectacle football has become and especially in comparison to hurling, people generally attend matches when they think the contest will be competitive, and that was missing this year because Dublin's closest adversaries, Mayo and Kerry, had regressive years.
There is anxiety over the poorest semi-finals attendance in eight years and the lowest of any year featuring Dublin in the last four since the new stadium was built »
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:35:09 PM
Shields a liability, least he's not diving today I suppose.
First part is true however he doesn't dive
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 09:19:14 PM
McLoughlin is some man to get away with multiple steps. Those small ones must be hard for refs to count.
Ah, anyone worth his salt is at it! It's rife and one of my pet hates. Especially in front of goals.
A good game. Well done Mayo. Really hope you make it to the super 8s and beyond. We can talk about the ref, and I agree he gave some soft frees to mayo, but it wasn't him that tripped McLoughlin up off the ball taking a very hard to score free to a very hard to miss free. That out two in it and was ultimately the winning of the game for mayo.
We have undoubtedly improved this year but we need a keeper and a full back. Dunno what Grimley was at at the end. Really think we left that one behind, unlike Roscommon last year, and it'll be a while getting over it
Criminal the amount of possession we gave away. Stumbling onwards. Still in it just about. More anon.
I'll sum it up in two points imo:
1: Deegan gave Mayo their frees far handier than Armagh got theirs. Surely there has to be a referee's panel reviewing such ref. performances.
2: Armagh / Mayo backs & forwards started tangling when free was awarded further out, Deegan saw fit to move free from unlikely scoring position to likely scoring position, and that was that.
Armagh left that game behind (in part due to Maurice Deegan). As much as I'd now love to see Mayo win an All Ireland, that opportunity has passed for this group of players I feel.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 08:38:39 PM
Armagh will probably have some major regrets here.
Two goal chances in 2nd half. One saved off the post and one over the bar.
You think? Mayo can thank their lucky stars that they came through that game by the skin of their teeth.
Maybe! Maybe they are just postponing the inevitable. Then again Cork, Cavan, Galway and Meath await. Nothing there to send shivers down ones spine!
That was the real test. Galway and Cavan are tricky assignments but I'd expect Mayo to get past Cork or Meath fairly handy although you never know with Mayo.
I expect Mayo's next game to be a part of a double header in Croke Park. Mayo love playing in Croke Park and Headquarters will want them to get to the Super 8's. We were a big loss to revenue last year! And revenue is badly needed to keep funding Project Dublin GAA.
The GAA doesn't care about competition but that is what puts arses on seats
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/seán-moran-all-things-must-pass-even-dublin-s-dominance-1.3618397
« For all the talk about how poor a spectacle football has become and especially in comparison to hurling, people generally attend matches when they think the contest will be competitive, and that was missing this year because Dublin's closest adversaries, Mayo and Kerry, had regressive years.
There is anxiety over the poorest semi-finals attendance in eight years and the lowest of any year featuring Dublin in the last four since the new stadium was built »
Yeah, the Gaa will try and have Mayo in the Super 8's. If they are on the same side as Dublin that would be bonus territory. The Dublin and Mayo fans would turn up in numbers on memories of games of old. Dublin would enjoy putting the heal to our throat one last time. Mayo supporters would be still in cloud cuckoo land where they think it is still 2017 and we can mix it with the best. Sadly one would have to feel Mayo will get a harsh lesson this year if they meet Dublin, or even one of our (so called) contemporaries.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 29, 2019, 09:39:23 PM
I'll sum it up in two points imo:
1: Deegan gave Mayo their frees far handier than Armagh got theirs. Surely there has to be a referee's panel reviewing such ref. performances.
2: Armagh / Mayo backs & forwards started tangling when free was awarded further out, Deegan saw fit to move free from unlikely scoring position to likely scoring position, and that was that.
Armagh left that game behind (in part due to Maurice Deegan). As much as I'd now love to see Mayo win an All Ireland, that opportunity has passed for this group of players I feel.
Fair points. Armagh were ridden rock solid by the ref today. Mayo got the win and are through to the next round but they're like a punch drunk boxer taking hits and just waiting for someone to knock them out..
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Quote from: balladmaker on June 29, 2019, 09:39:23 PM
I'll sum it up in two points imo:
1: Deegan gave Mayo their frees far handier than Armagh got theirs. Surely there has to be a referee's panel reviewing such ref. performances.
2: Armagh / Mayo backs & forwards started tangling when free was awarded further out, Deegan saw fit to move free from unlikely scoring position to likely scoring position, and that was that.
Armagh left that game behind (in part due to Maurice Deegan). As much as I'd now love to see Mayo win an All Ireland, that opportunity has passed for this group of players I feel.
Fair points. Armagh were ridden rock solid by the ref today. Mayo got the win and are through to the next round but they're like a punch drunk boxer taking hits and just waiting for someone to knock them out..
As I said it's the way it works. The further you are up the food chain, the more decisions you will get (especially if you are playing at home).
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 29, 2019, 09:29:30 PM
A good game. Well done Mayo. Really hope you make it to the super 8s and beyond. We can talk about the ref, and I agree he gave some soft frees to mayo, but it wasn't him that tripped McLoughlin up off the ball taking a very hard to score free to a very hard to miss free. That out two in it and was ultimately the winning of the game for mayo.
We have undoubtedly improved this year but we need a keeper and a full back. Dunno what Grimley was at at the end. Really think we left that one behind, unlike Roscommon last year, and it'll be a while getting over it
The problem I have is there were plenty of off the ball fouls why did one result in a free being moved and none of the rest of them did. The play was dead at the time and Deegan could have had no idea whether or not O'Connor was going to shoot.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on June 29, 2019, 09:29:30 PM
A good game. Well done Mayo. Really hope you make it to the super 8s and beyond. We can talk about the ref, and I agree he gave some soft frees to mayo, but it wasn't him that tripped McLoughlin up off the ball taking a very hard to score free to a very hard to miss free. That out two in it and was ultimately the winning of the game for mayo.
We have undoubtedly improved this year but we need a keeper and a full back. Dunno what Grimley was at at the end. Really think we left that one behind, unlike Roscommon last year, and it'll be a while getting over it
The problem I have is there were plenty of off the ball fouls why did one result in a free being moved and none of the rest of them did. The play was dead at the time and Deegan could have had no idea whether or not O'Connor was going to shoot.
We can talk what ifs and why's all night. It was stupid from shields and I think he knew it
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Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
McGeeney's utter incompetence in tight games was on full display today.
please explain how?
Ridiculous statememt
Erm... Perhaps cos he's made a balls of virtually every tight game that has counted to date??
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Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 08:41:38 PM
What the f**k were Armagh at on that last play, ridiculous.
McGeeney's utter incompetence in tight games was on full display today.
please explain how?
Ridiculous statememt
Erm... Perhaps cos he's made a balls of virtually every tight game that has counted to date??
Did you deliberately misunderstand his post?
Mayo used their get out of jail card tonight but it would be foolish to write them off after that less than convincing performance/win as only last year Tyrone did similar v Meath and went on to reach the AI final.
Maurice Deegan probably needs to hang up the whistle and stick with weather forecasting. For as poor as he was it was the so called experienced Shields that wouldn't keep his gob shut on what turned out to be the match winning score.
Deegan was poor for Armagh
Watching the game was definitely disappointing that he picked sheilds
Because there were two teams at it
Genuinely Armagh were hard done by tonight watching it live
But such is football
wont knock Mc geeney he is doing ok
If Deegan deliberately set out to make the game all about himself then he can definitely consider his nights work a huge success.
Very enjoyable game; well done to both teams. Mayo for sure got some very soft frees. Lovely to see all the Feile groups there. Made a lovely atmosphere. Told my young fella at the start that watching Jamie Clarke is always a good experience and Jamie didn't make me eat my words - just class.
Deegan has been at it for years now.
It must take great restraint from players sometimes as he is laughing in your face as he screws you at every turn.
Quote from: StephenC on June 29, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
Very enjoyable game; well done to both teams. Mayo for sure got some very soft frees. Lovely to see all the Feile groups there. Made a lovely atmosphere. Told my young fella at the start that watching Jamie Clarke is always a good experience and Jamie didn't make me eat my words - just class.
Thought Clarke was desperate in 1st half and brilliant in 2nd
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Quote from: StephenC on June 29, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
Very enjoyable game; well done to both teams. Mayo for sure got some very soft frees. Lovely to see all the Feile groups there. Made a lovely atmosphere. Told my young fella at the start that watching Jamie Clarke is always a good experience and Jamie didn't make me eat my words - just class.
Thought Clarke was desperate in 1st half and brilliant in 2nd
I agree with you on this one. He had a stinker first half
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Shields a liability, least he's not diving today I suppose.
First part is true however he doesn't dive
Harsh. Man made silly mistakes today but he's been one of Armaghs most reliable players for a brave while now. And he is most certainly not a diver.
Armagh left that one behind them.
Quote from: Itchy on June 29, 2019, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: StephenC on June 29, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
Very enjoyable game; well done to both teams. Mayo for sure got some very soft frees. Lovely to see all the Feile groups there. Made a lovely atmosphere. Told my young fella at the start that watching Jamie Clarke is always a good experience and Jamie didn't make me eat my words - just class.
Thought Clarke was desperate in 1st half and brilliant in 2nd
A precocious talent but has made a county career reputation of running up blind alleys!
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Quote from: sidelineball on June 29, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
Armagh absolutely love the late hard fist into the player disguised as a tackle after the foul has already been called. The management team were experts at it too. Is wasn't picked up off the grass
Why don't you f**k off
If you gamble nothing to day constructive
Stay off the board
That was a decent game two fair teams
We left it in the pitch
Disappointing
I'm talking facts. Look out for it, next year obviously.
For Cillian O Connors last free, anyone see the stamp on McLoughlin after he was fouled
Very sneaky and lucky for Armagh that lad didn't get a red card
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2019, 08:38:39 PM
Armagh will probably have some major regrets here.
Two goal chances in 2nd half. One saved off the post and one over the bar.
You think? Mayo can thank their lucky stars that they came through that game by the skin of their teeth.
Maybe! Maybe they are just postponing the inevitable. Then again Cork, Cavan, Galway and Meath await. Nothing there to send shivers down ones spine!
That was the real test. Galway and Cavan are tricky assignments but I'd expect Mayo to get past Cork or Meath fairly handy although you never know with Mayo.
I expect Mayo's next game to be a part of a double header in Croke Park. Mayo love playing in Croke Park and Headquarters will want them to get to the Super 8's. We were a big loss to revenue last year! And revenue is badly needed to keep funding Project Dublin GAA.
Westlife are playing in Croke Park next weekend. So probably looking at
Mayo v Galway - Hyde Park
Mayo v Cavan or Meath - Tullamore or Portlaoise
Mayo v Cork - Limerick
Sky talking about a "double header" next weekend.
Then again they did 2 games at different venues today.
Laois v Cork could be played at any Tipperary Club ground.
Clare wont need much capacity either and Galways aren't noted for attending Qualifier games.
Tyrones are staying away in numbers this year so Cavan and the Rhubarbarians will be keeping the €€€s coming in.
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21 (https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21)
Just home from Castlebar. Initial thoughts, we left that one behind us and Deegan is a clown, a joke of a ref at this stage.
The pints in the Mitchels club beforehand were nice.
The best of luck to Mayo in the next round.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2019, 08:48:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 08:45:46 PM
Huge regrets from Armagh.
Combination of missed chances and some poor decision making. Deegan was certainly worth 4 or 5 points to Mayo, he was much quicker to blow for frees for Mayo, seemed to consistently give Mayo players 3 or 4 more seconds to release the ball than Armagh. Why does Grimley not take the frees for Armagh? He's far better more reliable at them than O'Neill.
Big win for Mayo though, should make the Super 8s now. They really flagged near the end though and the mounting injuries are a huge cause of concern for them.
Deegan (and most referees) do this! The higher up the food chain, the easier the frees.
Totally agree. Robbed Armagh.
Armagh much easier on the eye, gutted for them
Coen good for Mayo
Cant believe Moran was taken off
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That crosses the line. Filthy act and not one player steps in to prevent it. Shameful day for Armagh football.
I really hope that Armagh team sticks together. Clarke has to stay. They could challeenge seriously for an Ulster zTitle next year i think. Great to watch.
Serious amount of turnovers...workrate immense. They were better than Mayo today, rode by the ref. Gutted
Good game overall, is Keegan's injury bad?
Surprised that nobody has mentioned all the cheap turnovers Mayo coughed up late in the first half, 3 easy points not taken and the ball taken into contact instead
A few thoughts after that...
Very entertaining to watch. The big crowd made for a great atmosphere. I saw Conor Cox of Roscommon at the game and Stephen Rochford was on the pitch at the end.
Our match ups were wrong at the start. Harrison wasn't strong enough for Rian O'Neill and Higgins was getting a bit of a roasting from Grugan. Horan was proactive with this in fairness, putting Keegan back on O'Neill and moving Keith to half back. I feel that's the only position for Keith these days. Keegan a big loss but Stephen Coen did quite well defensively as a replacement. Boyle had his best game in ages.
We were well beaten in midfield. Don't want to bring the debate up again but Clarke's long kickouts are a lottery at best. In fact, they probably favour the opposition. I know he ran down a few blind alleys but Mikey Murray will be a quality player in time. Has a great side step.
Fionn McDonagh had a great opening but took too much out of the ball in the 2nd half. Surprised Andy got hooked so early after setting up the goal but McLoughlin made a big difference in the 2nd half. You'd wonder how the last 2 management teams deemed Darren Coen surplus to requirements...
A lot of people giving out about the ref but Armagh got 2 very soft frees towards the end of the game. The Armagh #7 was harassing Loftus on all 3 of his frees in the 1st half. He was the reason the scuffle broke out at half time. Delighted he got caught for tripping McLoughlin to bring that free forward in the 2nd half.
Hard to know where we'll go from here with all the injuries. Hopefully we avoid Galway in the draw.
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 30, 2019, 02:03:35 AM
Hard to know where we'll go from here with all the injuries. Hopefully we avoid Galway in the draw.
Mayo are due a win against Galway. No win at any level in 4 years against them. And the rumours from the Galway camp aren't great from what I hear.
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Hard to know where we'll go from here with all the injuries. Hopefully we avoid Galway in the draw.
Mayo are due a win against Galway. No win at any level in 4 years against them. And the rumours from the Galway camp aren't great from what I hear.
I'd still want to avoid ye if possible. It would be an extremely long winter if we finish with another loss to Galway.
As an aside, apparently we took 8 shots at goal in the 2nd half and scored 1-7. When Donie Vaughan is clipping them over off his left things are going well!
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That crosses the line. Filthy act and not one player steps in to prevent it. Shameful day for Armagh football.
Catch yourself on. It was a wee push in the back. That video doesn't show any context at all. We have no idea what went on before hand
Quote from: whitey on June 30, 2019, 12:17:42 AM
For Cillian O Connors last free, anyone see the stamp on McLoughlin after he was fouled
Very sneaky and lucky for Armagh that lad didn't get a red card
That was Donaghy. Normally I would give him the benefit of the doubt and say it was accidental but after the draw against Cavan it is a lot harder to do so
Good lively game with plenty of scores. Ref was Maurice Deegan, if ever there was a home town ref it was him.
Mayo very very lucky to be in the draw. I hate the word turnover as I prefer to use give the ball away or lose the ball. Christ almighty Mayo were criminal at it last night. I don't know how many times I fucked at them for doing it. You'd swear we lost.
We didn't however. Clarke had a great game, brilliant save to push the ball into the post. Commands the area far better than Hennelly. Seriously worried about our full back line. Barrett has lost so much pace it's frightening. Harrison has had three terrible games. Higgins is where he is at 34 years of age. Keegan, Boyle and Durcan had good games. Boyle was mighty, glad to be proven wrong when I criticise him so often. Hope Keegsn's injury isn't too serious but he'll hardly start next week. O'Shea and Murray were ok in midfield. Doherty's best game in a while, scored a great point. McDonagh started well but faded again. Loftus seemed to do ok. Treacy was poor, thought he should've been subbed instead of Andy. Andy did Ok, but management thought otherwise. Coen was brilliant.
McLoughlin was immense. Took his goal wonderfully with his right foot. Boland didn't do much I thought. Coen the cousin, lesser said the better. Vaughan did well too. Scored a point too. Regan not on long enough etc.
Hanging in there. Just.
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 30, 2019, 02:03:35 AM
A few thoughts after that...
Very entertaining to watch. The big crowd made for a great atmosphere. I saw Conor Cox of Roscommon at the game and Stephen Rochford was on the pitch at the end.
Our match ups were wrong at the start. Harrison wasn't strong enough for Rian O'Neill and Higgins was getting a bit of a roasting from Grugan. Horan was proactive with this in fairness, putting Keegan back on O'Neill and moving Keith to half back. I feel that's the only position for Keith these days. Keegan a big loss but Stephen Coen did quite well defensively as a replacement. Boyle had his best game in ages.
We were well beaten in midfield. Don't want to bring the debate up again but Clarke's long kickouts are a lottery at best. In fact, they probably favour the opposition. I know he ran down a few blind alleys but Mikey Murray will be a quality player in time. Has a great side step.
Fionn McDonagh had a great opening but took too much out of the ball in the 2nd half. Surprised Andy got hooked so early after setting up the goal but McLoughlin made a big difference in the 2nd half. You'd wonder how the last 2 management teams deemed Darren Coen surplus to requirements...
A lot of people giving out about the ref but Armagh got 2 very soft frees towards the end of the game. The Armagh #7 was harassing Loftus on all 3 of his frees in the 1st half. He was the reason the scuffle broke out at half time. Delighted he got caught for tripping McLoughlin to bring that free forward in the 2nd half.
Hard to know where we'll go from here with all the injuries. Hopefully we avoid Galway in the draw.
Armagh got a few soft scorable frees alright but it wasn't those type of decisions that were the issue.
I felt all game long Deegan would blow for a Mayo free 3 or 4 seconds before he blew for an Armagh one. In the first half he blew up Burns for overcarrying when he had barely taken his 4 steps and then dropped the ball once he got surround, in contrast he allowed Mayo players loads of time to play the ball when they became bottled up.
Armagh have been quite indisciplined in recent years, their tackling has left a lot to be desired but I though they were superb in both those aspects yesterday and did loads of good work with tackling and turnovers only for Deegan to wrongly blow for a Mayo free. The ball then went up the other end of the pitch and he was far more lenient with what he would let go.
There weren't any big decisions that really went against either side but he was refereeing both sides under different rules which is the most frustrating aspect for the players.
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:59:11 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 30, 2019, 02:03:35 AM
A few thoughts after that...
Very entertaining to watch. The big crowd made for a great atmosphere. I saw Conor Cox of Roscommon at the game and Stephen Rochford was on the pitch at the end.
Our match ups were wrong at the start. Harrison wasn't strong enough for Rian O'Neill and Higgins was getting a bit of a roasting from Grugan. Horan was proactive with this in fairness, putting Keegan back on O'Neill and moving Keith to half back. I feel that's the only position for Keith these days. Keegan a big loss but Stephen Coen did quite well defensively as a replacement. Boyle had his best game in ages.
We were well beaten in midfield. Don't want to bring the debate up again but Clarke's long kickouts are a lottery at best. In fact, they probably favour the opposition. I know he ran down a few blind alleys but Mikey Murray will be a quality player in time. Has a great side step.
Fionn McDonagh had a great opening but took too much out of the ball in the 2nd half. Surprised Andy got hooked so early after setting up the goal but McLoughlin made a big difference in the 2nd half. You'd wonder how the last 2 management teams deemed Darren Coen surplus to requirements...
A lot of people giving out about the ref but Armagh got 2 very soft frees towards the end of the game. The Armagh #7 was harassing Loftus on all 3 of his frees in the 1st half. He was the reason the scuffle broke out at half time. Delighted he got caught for tripping McLoughlin to bring that free forward in the 2nd half.
Hard to know where we'll go from here with all the injuries. Hopefully we avoid Galway in the draw.
Armagh got a few soft scorable frees alright but it wasn't those type of decisions that were the issue.
I felt all game long Deegan would blow for a Mayo free 3 or 4 seconds before he blew for an Armagh one. In the first half he blew up Burns for overcarrying when he had barely taken his 4 steps and then dropped the ball once he got surround, in contrast he allowed Mayo players loads of time to play the ball when they became bottled up.
Armagh have been quite indisciplined in recent years, their tackling has left a lot to be desired but I though they were superb in both those aspects yesterday and did loads of good work with tackling and turnovers only for Deegan to wrongly blow for a Mayo free. The ball then went up the other end of the pitch and he was far more lenient with what he would let go.
There weren't any big decisions that really went against either side but he was refereeing both sides under different rules which is the most frustrating aspect for the players.
Agreed. Because of Armagh's reputation of giving away easy frees due to indiscipline, bad tackling, refs. now feel that they have to blow an Armagh foul much easier .... absolute joke and was on view for all to see in MacHale Park last night.
Deegan needs called out on these decisions, there was just something not right with his performance last night.
Anyway, if Armagh had taken their second half goal chances, and other missed opportunities, they'd have won it very handy irrespective of the ref.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1145079034201673729/pl/Tu5Baa9w4V2whBky.m3u8?tag=13 (https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1145079034201673729/pl/Tu5Baa9w4V2whBky.m3u8?tag=13)
Armagh have had their critics within and outside the county in relation to their tackling. Last night they answered those critics, tacking has improved and the number of turnovers is evidence of some great work.
Likewise, McGeeney has been criticised for his game plan and the style of play but this championship run has shown that he has evolved the style of play to one which is very effective. He has never been a lucky manager and that Armagh team would have beaten any of the other four teams playing last night, Offaly, Laois, Westmeath and Clare. They would have been different games but Armagh are a top ahead of them. Similarly, given the poor display by Kildare, Armagh would have been fit for them.
Each year we see the qualifier draws produce some level of head scratching when games for TV seem to be drawn. With all the changes to the championship being proposed and based on league performance, surely a the time for seeding the draws is here. Each qualifier draw should be abandoned and the 8/16 teams ranked according to league position and then automatically have 1 play 8, 2 play 6, etc. Make the league count even more in the knockout competition and avoid elimination of better teams while weaker move on the the next round on a supposedly random basis.
We now look forward to some very lopsided games in the Super 8s when the top teams separate each other by how much they thump the weak sides thrown up by the qualifier draw.
If it sounds like sour grapes, believe it.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 30, 2019, 09:39:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:59:11 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 30, 2019, 02:03:35 AM
A few thoughts after that...
Very entertaining to watch. The big crowd made for a great atmosphere. I saw Conor Cox of Roscommon at the game and Stephen Rochford was on the pitch at the end.
Our match ups were wrong at the start. Harrison wasn't strong enough for Rian O'Neill and Higgins was getting a bit of a roasting from Grugan. Horan was proactive with this in fairness, putting Keegan back on O'Neill and moving Keith to half back. I feel that's the only position for Keith these days. Keegan a big loss but Stephen Coen did quite well defensively as a replacement. Boyle had his best game in ages.
We were well beaten in midfield. Don't want to bring the debate up again but Clarke's long kickouts are a lottery at best. In fact, they probably favour the opposition. I know he ran down a few blind alleys but Mikey Murray will be a quality player in time. Has a great side step.
Fionn McDonagh had a great opening but took too much out of the ball in the 2nd half. Surprised Andy got hooked so early after setting up the goal but McLoughlin made a big difference in the 2nd half. You'd wonder how the last 2 management teams deemed Darren Coen surplus to requirements...
A lot of people giving out about the ref but Armagh got 2 very soft frees towards the end of the game. The Armagh #7 was harassing Loftus on all 3 of his frees in the 1st half. He was the reason the scuffle broke out at half time. Delighted he got caught for tripping McLoughlin to bring that free forward in the 2nd half.
Hard to know where we'll go from here with all the injuries. Hopefully we avoid Galway in the draw.
Armagh got a few soft scorable frees alright but it wasn't those type of decisions that were the issue.
I felt all game long Deegan would blow for a Mayo free 3 or 4 seconds before he blew for an Armagh one. In the first half he blew up Burns for overcarrying when he had barely taken his 4 steps and then dropped the ball once he got surround, in contrast he allowed Mayo players loads of time to play the ball when they became bottled up.
Armagh have been quite indisciplined in recent years, their tackling has left a lot to be desired but I though they were superb in both those aspects yesterday and did loads of good work with tackling and turnovers only for Deegan to wrongly blow for a Mayo free. The ball then went up the other end of the pitch and he was far more lenient with what he would let go.
There weren't any big decisions that really went against either side but he was refereeing both sides under different rules which is the most frustrating aspect for the players.
Agreed. Because of Armagh's reputation of giving away easy frees due to indiscipline, bad tackling, refs. now feel that they have to blow an Armagh foul much easier .... absolute joke and was on view for all to see in MacHale Park last night.
]Deegan needs called out on these decisions, there was just something not right with his performance last night.
Anyway, if Armagh had taken their second half goal chances, and other missed opportunities, they'd have won it very handy irrespective of the ref.
Totally agree
I am neutral but have a soft spot for Mayo. Have loved watching them and especially Andy Moran, who is class personified. I feet they were best placed to challenge Dublin so wanted them in the Super 8s....but when the game started and those decisions did i actually thought there was something fishy about it...it was that bad. Like even at 1 stage Deegan blew for a square ball on ONeill...the ball was only kicked towards him and he wasnt in the square. That incident with Burns.....but the move forward frees are the same as giving a team a point. All teams are at thst holding etc....it was purely being selective and akin to just deciding "Mayo will win this"
Sticks in the craw of the neutral. That Armagh team has serious pace and play lovely football. The move for the goal, Clarkes scores, his goal attempt (no other keeper in the country wouldve saved it....class from D Clarke), Campbells scores, Grugans and ONeills,the interplay were like heroin...as good as youll see in our game. Mayos best moves were Morans ball for the goal and Coens class scores. Other than that they were poor to watch. Good ball for McLoughlins point (from another non free btw) but i think his goal was lucky...fair play he took on Donaghy but i actually think his right footed shot was just slapping his leg at it and may have even been a point attempt.
Gutted for Armagh. Hate that Clarke is away to London and may not Be back next year. He was such a loss last year. I thougnt he was ok in the 1st half, winning ball but couldnt get shot off...that happens. The pace and workrate of Hall and Nugent alied to the class of Clarke, ONeill and Campbell....leaves Armagh with as good a forward line as there is anywhere
Quote from: balladmaker on June 30, 2019, 09:39:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:59:11 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 30, 2019, 02:03:35 AM
A few thoughts after that...
Very entertaining to watch. The big crowd made for a great atmosphere. I saw Conor Cox of Roscommon at the game and Stephen Rochford was on the pitch at the end.
Our match ups were wrong at the start. Harrison wasn't strong enough for Rian O'Neill and Higgins was getting a bit of a roasting from Grugan. Horan was proactive with this in fairness, putting Keegan back on O'Neill and moving Keith to half back. I feel that's the only position for Keith these days. Keegan a big loss but Stephen Coen did quite well defensively as a replacement. Boyle had his best game in ages.
We were well beaten in midfield. Don't want to bring the debate up again but Clarke's long kickouts are a lottery at best. In fact, they probably favour the opposition. I know he ran down a few blind alleys but Mikey Murray will be a quality player in time. Has a great side step.
Fionn McDonagh had a great opening but took too much out of the ball in the 2nd half. Surprised Andy got hooked so early after setting up the goal but McLoughlin made a big difference in the 2nd half. You'd wonder how the last 2 management teams deemed Darren Coen surplus to requirements...
A lot of people giving out about the ref but Armagh got 2 very soft frees towards the end of the game. The Armagh #7 was harassing Loftus on all 3 of his frees in the 1st half. He was the reason the scuffle broke out at half time. Delighted he got caught for tripping McLoughlin to bring that free forward in the 2nd half.
Hard to know where we'll go from here with all the injuries. Hopefully we avoid Galway in the draw.
Armagh got a few soft scorable frees alright but it wasn't those type of decisions that were the issue.
I felt all game long Deegan would blow for a Mayo free 3 or 4 seconds before he blew for an Armagh one. In the first half he blew up Burns for overcarrying when he had barely taken his 4 steps and then dropped the ball once he got surround, in contrast he allowed Mayo players loads of time to play the ball when they became bottled up.
Armagh have been quite indisciplined in recent years, their tackling has left a lot to be desired but I though they were superb in both those aspects yesterday and did loads of good work with tackling and turnovers only for Deegan to wrongly blow for a Mayo free. The ball then went up the other end of the pitch and he was far more lenient with what he would let go.
There weren't any big decisions that really went against either side but he was refereeing both sides under different rules which is the most frustrating aspect for the players.
Agreed. Because of Armagh's reputation of giving away easy frees due to indiscipline, bad tackling, refs. now feel that they have to blow an Armagh foul much easier .... absolute joke and was on view for all to see in MacHale Park last night.
Deegan needs called out on these decisions, there was just something not right with his performance last night.
Anyway, if Armagh had taken their second half goal chances, and other missed opportunities, they'd have won it very handy irrespective of the ref.
Agree with all of this. I posted earlier in the week about refs giving frees against us that other teams don't get given against them
Anyway, we did have the chances to win that game and had we won you wouldn't have said it was undeserved. We didn't take those chances and that cost us a lot more than the ref. This one will take a while to get over
Quote from: Gold on June 30, 2019, 10:01:03 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 30, 2019, 09:39:23 AM
Quote from: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:59:11 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 30, 2019, 02:03:35 AM
A few thoughts after that...
Very entertaining to watch. The big crowd made for a great atmosphere. I saw Conor Cox of Roscommon at the game and Stephen Rochford was on the pitch at the end.
Our match ups were wrong at the start. Harrison wasn't strong enough for Rian O'Neill and Higgins was getting a bit of a roasting from Grugan. Horan was proactive with this in fairness, putting Keegan back on O'Neill and moving Keith to half back. I feel that's the only position for Keith these days. Keegan a big loss but Stephen Coen did quite well defensively as a replacement. Boyle had his best game in ages.
We were well beaten in midfield. Don't want to bring the debate up again but Clarke's long kickouts are a lottery at best. In fact, they probably favour the opposition. I know he ran down a few blind alleys but Mikey Murray will be a quality player in time. Has a great side step.
Fionn McDonagh had a great opening but took too much out of the ball in the 2nd half. Surprised Andy got hooked so early after setting up the goal but McLoughlin made a big difference in the 2nd half. You'd wonder how the last 2 management teams deemed Darren Coen surplus to requirements...
A lot of people giving out about the ref but Armagh got 2 very soft frees towards the end of the game. The Armagh #7 was harassing Loftus on all 3 of his frees in the 1st half. He was the reason the scuffle broke out at half time. Delighted he got caught for tripping McLoughlin to bring that free forward in the 2nd half.
Hard to know where we'll go from here with all the injuries. Hopefully we avoid Galway in the draw.
Armagh got a few soft scorable frees alright but it wasn't those type of decisions that were the issue.
I felt all game long Deegan would blow for a Mayo free 3 or 4 seconds before he blew for an Armagh one. In the first half he blew up Burns for overcarrying when he had barely taken his 4 steps and then dropped the ball once he got surround, in contrast he allowed Mayo players loads of time to play the ball when they became bottled up.
Armagh have been quite indisciplined in recent years, their tackling has left a lot to be desired but I though they were superb in both those aspects yesterday and did loads of good work with tackling and turnovers only for Deegan to wrongly blow for a Mayo free. The ball then went up the other end of the pitch and he was far more lenient with what he would let go.
There weren't any big decisions that really went against either side but he was refereeing both sides under different rules which is the most frustrating aspect for the players.
Agreed. Because of Armagh's reputation of giving away easy frees due to indiscipline, bad tackling, refs. now feel that they have to blow an Armagh foul much easier .... absolute joke and was on view for all to see in MacHale Park last night.
]Deegan needs called out on these decisions, there was just something not right with his performance last night.
Anyway, if Armagh had taken their second half goal chances, and other missed opportunities, they'd have won it very handy irrespective of the ref.
Totally agree
I am neutral but have a soft spot for Mayo. Have loved watching them and especially Andy Moran, who is class personified. I feet they were best placed to challenge Dublin so wanted them in the Super 8s....but when the game started and those decisions did i actually thought there was something fishy about it...it was that bad. Like even at 1 stage Deegan blew for a square ball on ONeill...the ball was only kicked towards him and he wasnt in the square. That incident with Burns.....but the move forward frees are the same as giving a team a point. All teams are at thst holding etc....it was purely being selective and akin to just deciding "Mayo will win this"
Sticks in the craw of the neutral. That Armagh team has serious pace and play lovely football. The move for the goal, Clarkes scores, his goal attempt (no other keeper in the country wouldve saved it....class from D Clarke), Campbells scores, Grugans and ONeills,the interplay were like heroin...as good as youll see in our game. Mayos best moves were Morans ball for the goal and Coens class scores. Other than that they were poor to watch. Good ball for McLoughlins point (from another non free btw) but i think his goal was lucky...fair play he took on Donaghy but i actually think his right footed shot was just slapping his leg at it and may have even been a point attempt.
Gutted for Armagh. Hate that Clarke is away to London and may not Be back next year. He was such a loss last year. I thougnt he was ok in the 1st half, winning ball but couldnt get shot off...that happens. The pace and workrate of Hall and Nugent alied to the class of Clarke, ONeill and Campbell....leaves Armagh with as good a forward line as there is anywhere
I don't see why he won't be back. It certainly hasn't been mentioned. Also, Harrison from down plays his club football for Neasden Gaels and has no problem playing with down
I'll agree with the Armaghs that Maurice Deegan is a brutal referee. He should have been put out to pasture long ago.
Deegan brutal. What a surprise. Is there any good referees out there?
Long drive yesterday to Castlebar and back but think Armagh play football that is worth watching. It was one of those days though. Who would believe Mayo would score 1.7 from 8 attempts in the second half. Rian O'Neill has a long county career in front of him and is unlikely to have as many wides again. A massive crowd from Mayo and the GAA will be happy they are still there. I find it funny though how players can ' get in the faces ' of their opponent and nothing happens and yet the slightest touch can lead to a free. Overall though Mayo had far superior game management than Armagh. In Armagh we can complain about this and that but in the end we didn't take a great chance to advance and we miss on the super 8s again.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 30, 2019, 10:19:41 AM
Deegan brutal. What a surprise. Is there any good referees out there?
Gough was good when he started out but seems to be getting too big a penchant for the headlines. The black card for Peter Harte the last day being an example, wants to be seen to make the big decisions even when there is a big chance he has got it wrong.
There's not too many referees I'd have confidence in but there's certainly a few worse than others. Deegan is the type of ref that will fill your heart with dread when he's down to officiate your game, unless you're from Kerry of course.
Cop yourselves on, Deegan didn't lose that game for Armagh, not by a longshot.
He'll have plenty of time to practice a better goal celebration now he's on his holidays.....cringe!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1145040011450077185
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 10:51:25 AM
He'll have plenty of time to practice a better goal celebration now he's on his holidays.....cringe!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1145040011450077185
This should be made a black card offence.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 10:51:25 AM
He'll have plenty of time to practice a better goal celebration now he's on his holidays.....cringe!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1145040011450077185
The only thing cringe is you
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 10:51:25 AM
He'll have plenty of time to practice a better goal celebration now he's on his holidays.....cringe!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1145040011450077185
The only thing cringe is you
So is this the sort of crap they teach at this Orchard Academy? Any wonder you're out of the championship every year before the 12th. ;D
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 10:51:25 AM
He'll have plenty of time to practice a better goal celebration now he's on his holidays.....cringe!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1145040011450077185
The only thing cringe is you
So is this the sort of crap they teach at this Orchard Academy? Any wonder you're out of the championship every year before the 12th. ;D
You are a sad little man/boy/woman/girl
Listened to McGeeney's radio interview on BBC, I know it was in the aftermath of a defeat in a game his team should have won, but I was left wondering if he's about to depart Armagh. I hope not, he has the team on an upward curve, the key is keeping that panel together now, no defections next year please!
Quote from: balladmaker on June 30, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
Listened to McGeeney's radio interview on BBC, I know it was in the aftermath of a defeat in a game his team should have won, but I was left wondering if he's about to depart Armagh. I hope not, he has the team on an upward curve, the key is keeping that panel together now, no defections next year please!
Rian O'Neill heading to WWF?
Quote from: balladmaker on June 30, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
Listened to McGeeney's radio interview on BBC, I know it was in the aftermath of a defeat in a game his team should have won, but I was left wondering if he's about to depart Armagh. I hope not, he has the team on an upward curve, the key is keeping that panel together now, no defections next year please!
I hope McGeeney stays...the intensity of Armagh was immense, his stamp was all over it
They could and should get promoted if they stick together and play like that
Quote from: Gold on June 30, 2019, 11:22:49 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 30, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
Listened to McGeeney's radio interview on BBC, I know it was in the aftermath of a defeat in a game his team should have won, but I was left wondering if he's about to depart Armagh. I hope not, he has the team on an upward curve, the key is keeping that panel together now, no defections next year please!
I hope McGeeney stays...the intensity of Armagh was immense, his stamp was all over it
They could and should get promoted if they stick together and play like that
It's a long time till January :-(
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 10:51:25 AM
He'll have plenty of time to practice a better goal celebration now he's on his holidays.....cringe!
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1145040011450077185
The only thing cringe is you
So is this the sort of crap they teach at this Orchard Academy? Any wonder you're out of the championship every year before the 12th. ;D
Wise up, man.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 30, 2019, 10:00:04 AM
Armagh have had their critics within and outside the county in relation to their tackling. Last night they answered those critics, tacking has improved and the number of turnovers is evidence of some great work.
Likewise, McGeeney has been criticised for his game plan and the style of play but this championship run has shown that he has evolved the style of play to one which is very effective. He has never been a lucky manager and that Armagh team would have beaten any of the other four teams playing last night, Offaly, Laois, Westmeath and Clare. They would have been different games but Armagh are a top ahead of them. Similarly, given the poor display by Kildare, Armagh would have been fit for them.
Each year we see the qualifier draws produce some level of head scratching when games for TV seem to be drawn. With all the changes to the championship being proposed and based on league performance, surely a the time for seeding the draws is here. Each qualifier draw should be abandoned and the 8/16 teams ranked according to league position and then automatically have 1 play 8, 2 play 6, etc. Make the league count even more in the knockout competition and avoid elimination of better teams while weaker move on the the next round on a supposedly random basis.
We now look forward to some very lopsided games in the Super 8s when the top teams separate each other by how much they thump the weak sides thrown up by the qualifier draw.
If it sounds like sour grapes, believe it.
I'd have said the high number of turnovers was at least partially based on Mayo continually trying to run the ball through the centre, right through the centre of Armagh's defence and into contact.
I thought Mayo's running game played right into Armagh's hands (no pun intended). Having said that Armagh's tackling did look better and Donaghy had one absolute peach of a turnover.
Geezer is no doubt an unlucky manager. From the off Deegan was giving us soft frees, I think Andy bought the first pointed free when really he wasn't fouled.
The game was played in a sporting manner apart from some handbags at half time. Armagh will be back and will fancy an ulster title next year.
Anyhow we are the walking wounded after that so Cork or Galway in the draw would finish us I reckon.
Quote from: highorlow on June 30, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
Geezer is no doubt an unlucky manager. From the off Deegan was giving us soft frees, I think Andy bought the first pointed free when really he wasn't fouled.
The game was played in a sporting manner apart from some handbags at half time. Armagh will be back and will fancy an ulster title next year.
Anyhow we are the walking wounded after that so Cork or Galway in the draw would finish us I reckon.
Agreed Mayo are finished.
Quote from: highorlow on June 30, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
Geezer is no doubt an unlucky manager. From the off Deegan was giving us soft frees, I think Andy bought the first pointed free when really he wasn't fouled.
The game was played in a sporting manner apart from some handbags at half time. Armagh will be back and will fancy an ulster title next year.
Anyhow we are the walking wounded after that so Cork or Galway in the draw would finish us I reckon.
We wouldn't turn ye over the way we are going this year.
Quote from: highorlow on June 30, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
Geezer is no doubt an unlucky manager. From the off Deegan was giving us soft frees, I think Andy bought the first pointed free when really he wasn’t fouled.
The game was played in a sporting manner apart from some handbags at half time. Armagh will be back and will fancy an ulster title next year.
Anyhow we are the walking wounded after that so Cork or Galway in the draw would finish us I reckon.
Deegan seems to be one of those refs that gets easily influenced by the roars of the home crowd. I'll be very surprised if Mayo didn't beat Cork while a game v Galway would be harder to call.
I did a lot of giving out about Deegan in the first half, Armagh were allowed take as many steps as they wanted.
Shields was the cause of two frees being brought from outside the scoring zone, the one in the first half when o'Shea grabbed him to push him back was particularly stupid
Too many of our lads underperforming, Harrison is getting cleaned on a regular basis, Barrett, Doc, although he was a bit better yesterday, McLoughlin was poor outside of the 1-1, Keegan was poor up until he went off. It's very worrying.
I saw nothing to suggest Murray is ready for inter county just yet, Treacy the same
The turn overs were criminal towards the end, started with Aidan passing a 10 yard free to Armagh. I think McGeeney missed a trick by not pushing up on our kick outs, they did it for five minutes in the first half and we were in bother and put us under serious pressure for the last 15
The positives were McDonaghs first half, Coen's point scoring and Horan's earlier changes
I'd love a crack at Galway, I f**king hate them. A win against them would put us in the Donegal Kerry group which I'd much prefer
Quote from: highorlow on June 30, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
Geezer is no doubt an unlucky manager. From the off Deegan was giving us soft frees, I think Andy bought the first pointed free when really he wasn't fouled.
The game was played in a sporting manner apart from some handbags at half time. Armagh will be back and will fancy an ulster title next year.
Anyhow we are the walking wounded after that so Cork or Galway in the draw would finish us I reckon.
With respect, but that's an awful lot of bollocks fitted into 1 post. I can only presume you watched on the TV while drinking a few pints in a bar.
Soft frees ?? .... i have never in all the games of football i have watched, ever seen a team persistently foul as much as Armagh did in the first half. FFS, Deegans hand was nearly up indicating an advantage for Mayo for half the bloody first half. If he had blown the whistle every time, then there would have been no play at all. Not a single repercussion for all this .... not even a tick. Cynical, dirty fouls. But good luck to them, they got it away with it ... but don't come out with a complete BS of a 1st half analysis saying Mayo got soft frees
And in the second half .... what were the 2 Armagh frees near the end of the game for - both of them close to the McHale Road sideline, one of which O'Neill kicked wide ???? No more or less soft than the frees that Cillian kicked. Or are we only allowed to highlight a debatable free if it is scored ?
Quote from: blast05 on June 30, 2019, 03:01:50 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 30, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
Geezer is no doubt an unlucky manager. From the off Deegan was giving us soft frees, I think Andy bought the first pointed free when really he wasn't fouled.
The game was played in a sporting manner apart from some handbags at half time. Armagh will be back and will fancy an ulster title next year.
Anyhow we are the walking wounded after that so Cork or Galway in the draw would finish us I reckon.
With respect, but that's an awful lot of bollocks fitted into 1 post. I can only presume you watched on the TV while drinking a few pints in a bar.
Soft frees ?? .... i have never in all the games of football i have watched, ever seen a team persistently foul as much as Armagh did in the first half. FFS, Deegans hand was nearly up indicating an advantage for Mayo for half the bloody first half. If he had blown the whistle every time, then there would have been no play at all. Not a single repercussion for all this .... not even a tick. Cynical, dirty fouls. But good luck to them, they got it away with it ... but don't come out with a complete BS of a 1st half analysis saying Mayo got soft frees
And in the second half .... what were the 2 Armagh frees near the end of the game for - both of them close to the McHale Road sideline, one of which O'Neill kicked wide ???? No more or less soft than the frees that Cillian kicked. Or are we only allowed to highlight a debatable free if it is scored ?
I would suggest you haven't seen many games of football then. So deegans hand was constantly up? What about it? It wasn't up rightly. The two frees at the end, one of them was for a push on Clarke anyway. I'm not blaming the ref for us losing by the way, we have only ourselves to blame tor that
Referees are human. They tend as i said earlier to give decisions to teams further up the food chain. Home crowds can influence them as well. Mayo have had their fair share of suffering when it comes to Dublin and Kerry over the last couple of years. It's the way of the world and will never change in the GAA. You just have to be that couple of points better to beat the better team, tight games will more than likely be won by the higher up county.
I find it strange Mayo talking of the future. There is going to a bit of decline before we can make some sort of challenge again. And we might never reach the heights this last group reached. The Dublin machine is the scariest thing i have seen in my 41 years of watching football. It's quiet depressing when you look at where Gaelic football was at 15 years ago.
As a matter of interest what would have happened had it been a draw after extra time?
(1) We are witnessing the slow demise of the great Mayo team (2) Blame the ref, always the loser's excuse.
U nothing to cry about refs if u saw the semi assault in the limerick tipp hurling game with the ref 4m from it and didn't even blow a free. A damn disgrace. .
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
(1) We are witnessing the slow demise of the great Mayo team (2) Blame the ref, always the loser's excuse.
Befair much of the criticism of the referee is coming from non Armagh people.
For what it is worth my problem with refereeing is that watching the referees over the Monaghan and Mayo matches you would think 2 different games are being played. We need greater consistency on how games are refereed. Maybe then the games will improve and players/ supporters will be less annoyed.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2019, 05:22:38 PM
U nothing to cry about refs if u saw the semi assault in the limerick tipp hurling game with the ref 4m from it and didn't even blow a free. A damn disgrace. .
That's a different sport
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
(1) We are witnessing the slow demise of the great Mayo team (2) Blame the ref, always the loser's excuse.
Who has blamed the ref? A lot of people, many from outside Armagh, have said he was poor. Which he was. We lost due to errors and missed chances tho
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
(1) We are witnessing the slow demise of the great Mayo team (2) Blame the ref, always the loser's excuse.
There's no one from Armagh thats blaming the the ref for that defeat. We're all calling him out for being absolutely shite which he was and plenty of neutrals and Mayo fans have said the same. We left it behind us on the day regardless of the ref.
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 30, 2019, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
(1) We are witnessing the slow demise of the great Mayo team (2) Blame the ref, always the loser's excuse.
There's no one from Armagh thats blaming the the ref for that defeat. We're all calling him out for being absolutely shite which he was and plenty of neutrals and Mayo fans have said the same. We left it behind us on the day regardless of the ref.
Absolutely. Two soft goals conceded, two glorious goal chances not taken, 13 wides and number of other efforts dropped short. Regardless of the referee performance It was game that Armagh should have won by a few points to spare.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
What's that got to do with anything? Or wheres the rest of that video?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 30, 2019, 05:18:42 PM
As a matter of interest what would have happened had it been a draw after extra time?
A penalty competition.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
I clicked on that thinking there would be a hand in the mouth or something but no a man got pushed;D
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
If you're talking about McCann he got punished and rightly so. Lots of unsavoury incidents happen in the heat of battle v opponents. Taking your frustration in losing out on a man of 50+, engaged in conversation, when facing the other direction takes a special moment of cowardice. Then to top it all he immediately hides behind the no 12. Pathetic.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
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Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
If you're talking about McCann he got punished and rightly so. Lots of unsavoury incidents happen in the heat of battle v opponents. Taking your frustration in losing out on a man of 50+, engaged in conversation, when facing the other direction takes a special moment of cowardice. Then to top it all he immediately hides behind the no 12. Pathetic.
And you saw everything that happened did you? A little shove is hardly taking out frustrations is it. I guess with school out we have 7 weeks of putting up with you
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
If you're talking about McCann he got punished and rightly so. Lots of unsavoury incidents happen in the heat of battle v opponents. Taking your frustration in losing out on a man of 50+, engaged in conversation, when facing the other direction takes a special moment of cowardice. Then to top it all he immediately hides behind the no 12. Pathetic.
And you saw everything that happened did you? A little shove is hardly taking out frustrations is it. I guess with school out we have 7 weeks of putting up with you
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
If you're talking about McCann he got punished and rightly so. Lots of unsavoury incidents happen in the heat of battle v opponents. Taking your frustration in losing out on a man of 50+, engaged in conversation, when facing the other direction takes a special moment of cowardice. Then to top it all he immediately hides behind the no 12. Pathetic.
And you saw everything that happened did you? A little shove is hardly taking out frustrations is it. I guess with school out we have 7 weeks of putting up with you
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
A trampish act. Don't make me laugh. A trampish act would be putting your fingers down the throat of some defenceless player on the ground. Now, who would do that. While it doesn't look good, nowhere close to trampish, I'm not gonna judge it on that small piece of video
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
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]What does the Mayo offical think he's doing. Armagh lads walking down the the tunnel and this clown thinks he's going to stop them
Just wondering what the Armagh lads who travelled to castlebar thought of machale park and the stand?
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
If you're talking about McCann he got punished and rightly so. Lots of unsavoury incidents happen in the heat of battle v opponents. Taking your frustration in losing out on a man of 50+, engaged in conversation, when facing the other direction takes a special moment of cowardice. Then to top it all he immediately hides behind the no 12. Pathetic.
And you saw everything that happened did you? A little shove is hardly taking out frustrations is it. I guess with school out we have 7 weeks of putting up with you
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
A trampish act. Don't make me laugh. A trampish act would be putting your fingers down the throat of some defenceless player on the ground. Now, who would do that. While it doesn't look good, nowhere close to trampish, I'm not gonna judge it on that small piece of video
I guess when you've a manager who thinks it's ok to shoulder barge an opposing player who is blind-sided at half time and an ex-captain who verbally abuses the girl carrying the flag during the band parade you begin to understand young Forker didn't lift such behaviour off the ground!
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 10:11:20 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 08:42:43 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
If you're talking about McCann he got punished and rightly so. Lots of unsavoury incidents happen in the heat of battle v opponents. Taking your frustration in losing out on a man of 50+, engaged in conversation, when facing the other direction takes a special moment of cowardice. Then to top it all he immediately hides behind the no 12. Pathetic.
And you saw everything that happened did you? A little shove is hardly taking out frustrations is it. I guess with school out we have 7 weeks of putting up with you
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
A trampish act. Don't make me laugh. A trampish act would be putting your fingers down the throat of some defenceless player on the ground. Now, who would do that. While it doesn't look good, nowhere close to trampish, I'm not gonna judge it on that small piece of video
I guess when you've a manager who thinks it's ok to shoulder barge an opposing player who is blind-sided at half time and an ex-captain who verbally abuses the girl carrying the flag during the band parade you begin to understand young Forker didn't lift such behaviour off the ground!
You're boring
Quote from: Randy on June 30, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Just wondering what the Armagh lads who travelled to castlebar thought of machale park and the stand?
Thoroughly enjoyed my visit, the result notwithstanding. The stand is much bigger in reality and than it appears on the TV and when it was full, as it was last night, it really adds to the atmosphere. The Mayo supporters were magnificent last night and are one of the reasons why I'd love to see them win an All Ireland.
For ourselves, one that got away. I've said it before that we have no killer instinct and we repeated what we did all year by spurning wonderful goal chances. You simply cannot do that at this level. I thought Mayo were a wee bit more cute than our lads - good at winning frees and running down the clock. I hasten to add that is an observation and not a complaint. I wish our lads could do that.
Although the result represented a crushing disappointment, it has been a very enjoyable year and there are reasons to look forward to 2020 with optimism, provided we can keep everyone on board.
McGeeney and the Armagh players are worthy of more respect and appreciation than I was giving them before the match. They play a very good brand of football (bit too much off the ball stuff but not a major thing) and when they pressed our kickout in last 15 they had us completely pinned in and we were struggling badly. They were unlucky on the night and i hope mcgeeney sticks around and they make the super 8s or even win ulster next year.
We are still in it. i thought super 8s would be a decent year before the injuries struck. Now, it's probably as much as we can hope for.
it's important for the squad to get there though or they risk falling away completely when the older heads retire and we're left with lads who don't have the experience of the big days.
Quote from: Randy on June 30, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Just wondering what the Armagh lads who travelled to castlebar thought of machale park and the stand?
Death trap
As I was entering the ground I couldn't work out why there was such a crush.
It turns out that every part of the stadium is accessed from one set of gates.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 30, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Was this the fault of the referee too?
https://twitter.com/untitledgaa/status/1145044385484218368?s=21
You still here? A clip with absolutely no context to it? What happened in the lead up to that? What was said or done?
So you're suggesting the that the Armagh no 5 may have been justified in committing that act of cowardice??
Reread what I read and answer properly. And as for acts of cowardice, have a look st your own players first
If you're talking about McCann he got punished and rightly so. Lots of unsavoury incidents happen in the heat of battle v opponents. Taking your frustration in losing out on a man of 50+, engaged in conversation, when facing the other direction takes a special moment of cowardice. Then to top it all he immediately hides behind the no 12. Pathetic.
See that's your first mistake, assuming it's McCann he's referring to .
Could be
McCann
Jordan
McMenamin
O'Neill
Take your pick
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 30, 2019, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Randy on June 30, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Just wondering what the Armagh lads who travelled to castlebar thought of machale park and the stand?
Death trap
As I was entering the ground I couldn't work out why there was such a crush.
It turns out that every part of the stadium is accessed from one set of gates.
Agreed. It's just one big bottle neck!
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 30, 2019, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Randy on June 30, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Just wondering what the Armagh lads who travelled to castlebar thought of machale park and the stand?
Death trap
As I was entering the ground I couldn't work out why there was such a crush.
It turns out that every part of the stadium is accessed from one set of gates.
It's worse going out I'd say. We walked out the gate at corner of pitch opposite the stand and it was malogen.
The final result was expected but the manner of it not. I thought we could go toe to toe for a while but they would pull away and win with a bit to spare. The way we came back at them and could have nicked it is very good for the future.
There were lots of positives. Jemar Hall, Paul Hughes, Brendan Donaghy, Soupy, Jamie, they all played really well. Others played in bursts and contributed. We have the nucleus of an excellent team and they played above expectations.
The is a downside though and I think yesterday for all it's positives was as clear an example of how far we are actually away from the top table as it was showing how close we are.
Defensively we tackled well but still gave away too many scoreable frees. Also indiscipline saw frees brought forward or frees for pulling off the ball closer to the goals. Also we need a keeper. I'm sorry but he is simply not good enough. Harsh as that may seem he does not inspire confidence and his kick outs are too scratchy. If there is nothing better in the county then something needs to change. I think it was very telling that the management asked at least one out field player to become a keeper, allegedly causing him to leave the panel.
Also we are 2 defenders short of a top tier team. James Morgan for all his faults is one of them and was coming into a bit of form when he got injured. He has been wrecked with injury and how he recovers will be interesting. An obvious loss for us in the club but you suck it up and get on. There needs to be at least 1 more defender out there. What is very telling is that if you take the Cross players out of the team there is only 1 player from the other recent county champions playing consistently from the start inAidan Forker. Genuinely I find this baffling. Cullyhanna too are the bridesmaids wfor the last number of years and they only have 1 player. I would hazard a guess that there are proven winners of these teams who are the equal to or better than what is there already but also know how to win big games.
In midfield Burns has had the year of a senior debutant, flashes of brilliance, periods of anonymity and a lot of inexperienced play. He has the potential to be an excellent midfielder but I fear that people have Jack O'Se'd him before he is even close to it. He has a great engine, great hands on him when he has the opportunity to catch it but can be a bit clueless sometimes and plays like he is still playing underage in that he puts the head down and runs into traffic a lot. A lot of blind alley running. Also physically he was bullied on Saturday. He was pulled into a few physical tussles and wasn't fit for it. Looking to the ref too much. You need to win those fights yourself. Experience will hopefully bring that into his game but its a harsh lesson that you learn from quickly or get out of the heat. Grimley is a decent midfielder who can chip in with some good scores and works hard. I think he too can be caught with his decision making, the last free and shot being a prime example. People are saying the management should have had more input but lets face it the players need to take responsibility on the field and the shot for nothing was wrong. A if Oisin Mc and an experienced Ben Crealy add significantly to this area.
In the forwards Hall, Soupy, Nugent, have been solid all year. This has been the best I have seen Jamie in a long time, pity from a selfish point of view he is going to London but that's his call. Grugan had a curates egg of a year. He played reasonably well at the weekend but I thought he has been very poor all year up to this. I genuinely do not think that the captaincy sits well with him and I think it saved his position on the team a few times. Like Burns Rian had the year of a debutant but he has the potential to be what he wants to be. To score 3-21 at 20 years of age in your debut year is exceptional but his decision making was questionable, particularly shot selection. That will come. What did impress me was his general coolness under pressure and his discipline in general. He has a temper and he held it. He could be the Micheal Murphy of this team and when his brother is fully fit I think that will release him. They both work really well off each other. He really has the potential to be the best. Put him in Dublin and he is young player of the year this year and championship top scorer. What needs to happen now is that the likes of Duffy, McQuillan, young Turbitt from CE and a few others need to be blooded consistently.
In terms of the management, they have had 5 years. From what I have heard another 2 years is there for Geezer to accept or reject. McCorry has made a difference but I would freshen up the rest of the management structure. Change can refresh and reinvigorate. I genuinely believe that there needs to someone from our club on the sideline, may seem as arrogance or bias but there is too much talent coaching within our club that would add greatly to the Armagh set up but is not being utilized. I think at key times at the weekend and over the championship as a whole mistakes have been made on the line. Hard decisions need to be made at times and I think they were not done fast enough or at all. Egos need to be left at the door when the team walks in and I include the managements in that. I do think sometimes that there is still a wee bit of 'coffee in Grounded in our training gear' about this group and that there is a lack of steel about some of it. A few hard homes truths at training would change that.
The reality is that we beat a poor Down team, lost to a Cavan team who were beaten with ease by Donegal, beat a Monaghan team on its last legs with a few key men not playing and beaten by a Mayo team struggling with injuries, form and who are notoriously brittle in the Qualifiers. We struggled in Division 2 and could easily have gone down. We are improving but its a long road to be at the levels that the effort and expense that are being expended warrant. The CB will give the manager another run at it, financially he is doing a serious amount of work for them so they cannot let him go but at least the results at least warrant another go at it. Honestly, if an Ulster Final wasn't at least made and a serious run at winning Division 2 this season then I would have to question should the whole management team stay on. Give them the change to do that. If they don't then I think its time for change.
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Quote from: highorlow on June 30, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
Geezer is no doubt an unlucky manager. From the off Deegan was giving us soft frees, I think Andy bought the first pointed free when really he wasn't fouled.
The game was played in a sporting manner apart from some handbags at half time. Armagh will be back and will fancy an ulster title next year.
Anyhow we are the walking wounded after that so Cork or Galway in the draw would finish us I reckon.
Deegan seems to be one of those refs that gets easily influenced by the roars of the home crowd. I'll be very surprised if Mayo didn't beat Cork while a game v Galway would be harder to call.
Maurice Deegan has undue influence on the outcome of matches he referees, especially in tight encounters. Yet he still gets appointed.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 01, 2019, 08:29:49 AM
The final result was expected but the manner of it not. I thought we could go toe to toe for a while but they would pull away and win with a bit to spare. The way we came back at them and could have nicked it is very good for the future.
There were lots of positives. Jemar Hall, Paul Hughes, Brendan Donaghy, Soupy, Jamie, they all played really well. Others played in bursts and contributed. We have the nucleus of an excellent team and they played above expectations.
The is a downside though and I think yesterday for all it's positives was as clear an example of how far we are actually away from the top table as it was showing how close we are.
Defensively we tackled well but still gave away too many scoreable frees. Also indiscipline saw frees brought forward or frees for pulling off the ball closer to the goals. Also we need a keeper. I'm sorry but he is simply not good enough. Harsh as that may seem he does not inspire confidence and his kick outs are too scratchy. If there is nothing better in the county then something needs to change. I think it was very telling that the management asked at least one out field player to become a keeper, allegedly causing him to leave the panel.
Also we are 2 defenders short of a top tier team. James Morgan for all his faults is one of them and was coming into a bit of form when he got injured. He has been wrecked with injury and how he recovers will be interesting. An obvious loss for us in the club but you suck it up and get on. There needs to be at least 1 more defender out there. What is very telling is that if you take the Cross players out of the team there is only 1 player from the other recent county champions playing consistently from the start inAidan Forker. Genuinely I find this baffling. Cullyhanna too are the bridesmaids wfor the last number of years and they only have 1 player. I would hazard a guess that there are proven winners of these teams who are the equal to or better than what is there already but also know how to win big games.
In midfield Burns has had the year of a senior debutant, flashes of brilliance, periods of anonymity and a lot of inexperienced play. He has the potential to be an excellent midfielder but I fear that people have Jack O'Se'd him before he is even close to it. He has a great engine, great hands on him when he has the opportunity to catch it but can be a bit clueless sometimes and plays like he is still playing underage in that he puts the head down and runs into traffic a lot. A lot of blind alley running. Also physically he was bullied on Saturday. He was pulled into a few physical tussles and wasn't fit for it. Looking to the ref too much. You need to win those fights yourself. Experience will hopefully bring that into his game but its a harsh lesson that you learn from quickly or get out of the heat. Grimley is a decent midfielder who can chip in with some good scores and works hard. I think he too can be caught with his decision making, the last free and shot being a prime example. People are saying the management should have had more input but lets face it the players need to take responsibility on the field and the shot for nothing was wrong. A if Oisin Mc and an experienced Ben Crealy add significantly to this area.
In the forwards Hall, Soupy, Nugent, have been solid all year. This has been the best I have seen Jamie in a long time, pity from a selfish point of view he is going to London but that's his call. Grugan had a curates egg of a year. He played reasonably well at the weekend but I thought he has been very poor all year up to this. I genuinely do not think that the captaincy sits well with him and I think it saved his position on the team a few times. Like Burns Rian had the year of a debutant but he has the potential to be what he wants to be. To score 3-21 at 20 years of age in your debut year is exceptional but his decision making was questionable, particularly shot selection. That will come. What did impress me was his general coolness under pressure and his discipline in general. He has a temper and he held it. He could be the Micheal Murphy of this team and when his brother is fully fit I think that will release him. They both work really well off each other. He really has the potential to be the best. Put him in Dublin and he is young player of the year this year and championship top scorer. What needs to happen now is that the likes of Duffy, McQuillan, young Turbitt from CE and a few others need to be blooded consistently.
In terms of the management, they have had 5 years. From what I have heard another 2 years is there for Geezer to accept or reject. McCorry has made a difference but I would freshen up the rest of the management structure. Change can refresh and reinvigorate. I genuinely believe that there needs to someone from our club on the sideline, may seem as arrogance or bias but there is too much talent coaching within our club that would add greatly to the Armagh set up but is not being utilized. I think at key times at the weekend and over the championship as a whole mistakes have been made on the line. Hard decisions need to be made at times and I think they were not done fast enough or at all. Egos need to be left at the door when the team walks in and I include the managements in that. I do think sometimes that there is still a wee bit of 'coffee in Grounded in our training gear' about this group and that there is a lack of steel about some of it. A few hard homes truths at training would change that.
The reality is that we beat a poor Down team, lost to a Cavan team who were beaten with ease by Donegal, beat a Monaghan team on its last legs with a few key men not playing and beaten by a Mayo team struggling with injuries, form and who are notoriously brittle in the Qualifiers. We struggled in Division 2 and could easily have gone down. We are improving but its a long road to be at the levels that the effort and expense that are being expended warrant. The CB will give the manager another run at it, financially he is doing a serious amount of work for them so they cannot let him go but at least the results at least warrant another go at it. Honestly, if an Ulster Final wasn't at least made and a serious run at winning Division 2 this season then I would have to question should the whole management team stay on. Give them the change to do that. If they don't then I think its time for change.
I find it very hard to disagree with anything in this post. I was comparing McGeeney's decision making versus Cavan the second day to Cody for Kilkenny, no sentiment just make the hard call, you're not performing and you get hooked, wether on 20 minutes or 60.
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
QuoteWith respect, but that's an awful lot of bollocks fitted into 1 post. I can only presume you watched on the TV while drinking a few pints in a bar.
Soft frees ?? .... i have never in all the games of football i have watched, ever seen a team persistently foul as much as Armagh did in the first half. FFS, Deegans hand was nearly up indicating an advantage for Mayo for half the bloody first half. If he had blown the whistle every time, then there would have been no play at all. Not a single repercussion for all this .... not even a tick. Cynical, dirty fouls. But good luck to them, they got it away with it ... but don't come out with a complete BS of a 1st half analysis saying Mayo got soft frees
And in the second half .... what were the 2 Armagh frees near the end of the game for - both of them close to the McHale Road sideline, one of which O'Neill kicked wide ???? No more or less soft than the frees that Cillian kicked. Or are we only allowed to highlight a debatable free if it is scored ?
Take a chill pill. I was at the game.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
What I find interesting about this game is the number of neutrals (on here and elsewhere), columnists and pundits who have mentioned how hard he was on Armagh.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
+1
I have to agree with your first paragraph. I can understand Armagh fans feeling they left the game behind but if Mayo had been Dublin or any of the other top teams, Armagh would have been beaten out the gate. That's a bit harsh but it's the objective truth, (IMO of course.)
Mayo had stepped up a gear coming into the closing stages and moved 5 points clear. They then did what Mayo supporters have become used to- they lost concentration and almost blew their chances as Armagh came back at them. That usually happens in every game Mayo is involved i and probably will happen next weekend too, unfortunately.
An RTE NEWS NOW copywriter got it bang on yesterday. The headline read, "Mayo almost manage to lose...." and I can't find fault with that.
As regards Maurice Deegan, Mayo supporters have had their own reasons for giving out about his decision making in a few championship games in recent years. I don't think anyone could say that he favoured us and I saw no reason why I would think he was any different on Saturday. It can be argued that we got a few hairline decisions but he didn't set out to make up for previous games or anything like that.
Arrmagh were just as cynical as Mayo but they didn't get away with as much because Mayo are more experienced at fouling.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
The ref was poor but, and I will be repeating myself, I've yet to see an Armagh fan blame him for us losing. We missed many chances, some very good chances at that, and we were indisciplined at times. That's what cost us the game
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
The ref was poor but, and I will be repeating myself, I’ve yet to see an Armagh fan blame him for us losing. We missed many chances, some very good chances at that, and we were indisciplined at times. That’s what cost us the game
when you lse a game by a point and the main subject of conversation is giving out about how bad the ref was uts a bit disingenuous to say 'were not saying the ref cost us the game'
what are you sayin youd only have lost by half a point if the referee had Given all the free armagh wanted?
After the game I didnt give out about the ref and during the match i dont think i lambasted too many of his decisions. Yeah he did things i didnt agree with but in the main we did some silly things that were ultimately our downfall (eg Shields getting the COC free moved up when he clearly didnt believe the first location was scorable).
The goalkeeping situation needs addressing before Christmas. There are surely better options.
There is definite progress with that Armagh side. We are still forward heavy. Midfield area has strengthened though with JOB, Grimley, Sheridan and O O'Neill. My concern would be with the half back line. It's an area that i do not feel we are getting enough out of.
Well impressed by Paul Hughes on Saturday night.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
The ref was poor but, and I will be repeating myself, I've yet to see an Armagh fan blame him for us losing. We missed many chances, some very good chances at that, and we were indisciplined at times. That's what cost us the game
when you lse a game by a point and the main subject of conversation is giving out about how bad the ref was uts a bit disingenuous to say 'were not saying the ref cost us the game'
what are you sayin youd only have lost by half a point if the referee had Given all the free armagh wanted?
Where did I say any of that? I said we lost because we didn't take our chances, some of which were very good chances. Also indiscipline cost us, esp shields causing a hard to score free to be turned into a hard to miss free. Nothing about the ref costing us in there now is there. The ref was poor, as many have said, and most of them from outside Armagh, but I don't see anyone blaming him for the loss
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
The ref was poor but, and I will be repeating myself, I've yet to see an Armagh fan blame him for us losing. We missed many chances, some very good chances at that, and we were indisciplined at times. That's what cost us the game
when you lse a game by a point and the main subject of conversation is giving out about how bad the ref was uts a bit disingenuous to say 'were not saying the ref cost us the game'
what are you sayin youd only have lost by half a point if the referee had Given all the free armagh wanted?
Not if you're capable of, and I'm going out on a limb here, reading the actual posts you plan to rant about.
Yes Armagh missed chances and made wrong decisions. But Deegan influences the outcome of games in a way few other refs do, with the exception perhaps of Joe McQullian.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
The ref was poor but, and I will be repeating myself, I’ve yet to see an Armagh fan blame him for us losing. We missed many chances, some very good chances at that, and we were indisciplined at times. That’s what cost us the game
when you lse a game by a point and the main subject of conversation is giving out about how bad the ref was uts a bit disingenuous to say 'were not saying the ref cost us the game'
what are you sayin youd only have lost by half a point if the referee had Given all the free armagh wanted?
Where did I say any of that? I said we lost because we didn’t take our chances, some of which were very good chances. Also indiscipline cost us, esp shields causing a hard to score free to be turned into a hard to miss free. Nothing about the ref costing us in there now is there. The ref was poor, as many have said, and most of them from outside Armagh, but I don’t see anyone blaming him for the loss
you sentence started off with 'The Ref was poor' and then then ' yet to see an Armagh fan blame him ' lots are including Mcgeeney . go back and count as a neutral . mayo would equally as many quibbles with the ref as armagh and more serious ones like as I stated the failure to black card Clarke after about 2 minutes and showing 2 yellow card every time an armagh player started a row with his marker and vice versa , ill give you the example of burns getting booked when Doherty jumped into him , reversed happen to Darren coen, letting campbell take 6 then 8 steps for a 'Great point ' in the last few minutes missing a stamp on an mayo player on the ground ETC ETC.
referees suck get over it
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 01, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Yes Armagh missed chances and made wrong decisions. But Deegan influences the outcome of games in a way few other refs do, with the exception perhaps of Joe McQullian.
You lost the game cos Mr "everybody look at me" John Cena decided to shoot when he should have been passing.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 11:36:56 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
The ref was poor but, and I will be repeating myself, I've yet to see an Armagh fan blame him for us losing. We missed many chances, some very good chances at that, and we were indisciplined at times. That's what cost us the game
when you lse a game by a point and the main subject of conversation is giving out about how bad the ref was uts a bit disingenuous to say 'were not saying the ref cost us the game'
what are you sayin youd only have lost by half a point if the referee had Given all the free armagh wanted?
Where did I say any of that? I said we lost because we didn't take our chances, some of which were very good chances. Also indiscipline cost us, esp shields causing a hard to score free to be turned into a hard to miss free. Nothing about the ref costing us in there now is there. The ref was poor, as many have said, and most of them from outside Armagh, but I don't see anyone blaming him for the loss
you sentence started off with 'The Ref was poor' and then then ' yet to see an Armagh fan blame him ' lots are including Mcgeeney . go back and count as a neutral . mayo would equally as many quibbles with the ref as armagh and more serious ones like as I stated the failure to black card Clarke after about 2 minutes and showing 2 yellow card every time an armagh player started a row with his marker and vice versa , ill give you the example of burns getting booked when Doherty jumped into him , reversed happen to Darren coen, letting campbell take 6 then 8 steps for a 'Great point ' in the last few minutes missing a stamp on an mayo player on the ground ETC ETC.
referees suck get over it
I said the ref was poor which he was. You agree with me and have given points to show it. I have said a few times we only have ourselves to blame for losing that game.
I remember the clarke incident. I thought at the time he may have been lucky not to get a black. I didn't see a replay and haven't, and won't, watch the game again. I don't watch games we lose over again. I have referred already in this thread to the Donaghy stamp. It's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt after the Cavan game.
He also let McLoughlin off with extra steps for his goal.
The overriding consensus by many, including neutrals, is he was hard on Armagh. That doesn't matter. We had the chances to win that game irrespective of the ref. If I thought the ref was the reason we lost I would say it. He wasn't tho so I won't.
Didn't see the McGeeney interview either by the way
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 01, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Yes Armagh missed chances and made wrong decisions. But Deegan influences the outcome of games in a way few other refs do, with the exception perhaps of Joe McQullian.
You lost the game cos Mr "everybody look at me" John Cena decided to shoot when he should have been passing.
Is he buckin your daughter or sister or something?
There's no doubt Armagh have improved but most likely would be the Super 8 whipping boys just like the Rossies were last year. They've dodged a bullet in that respect.
Quote from: general_lee on July 01, 2019, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 01, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Yes Armagh missed chances and made wrong decisions. But Deegan influences the outcome of games in a way few other refs do, with the exception perhaps of Joe McQullian.
You lost the game cos Mr "everybody look at me" John Cena decided to shoot when he should have been passing.
Is he buckin your daughter or sister or something?
I remember joe canning doing it a few years back
thought It was funny then
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 02:38:45 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 01, 2019, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 01, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Yes Armagh missed chances and made wrong decisions. But Deegan influences the outcome of games in a way few other refs do, with the exception perhaps of Joe McQullian.
You lost the game cos Mr "everybody look at me" John Cena decided to shoot when he should have been passing.
Is he buckin your daughter or sister or something?
I remember joe canning doing it a few years back
thought It was funny then
Great to see a young talent celebrating scoring goals on his debut season. That Armagh front 8 are a joy to behold in person. Hope Clarke & co stay about for next season and beyond.
Quote from: fearsiuil on July 01, 2019, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 02:38:45 PM
Honestly my favourite team to watch now
Pace everywhere and classy, classy scores.
How they ltakled so well and so hard and lost I do not know
Quote from: general_lee on July 01, 2019, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 01, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Yes Armagh missed chances and made wrong decisions. But Deegan influences the outcome of games in a way few other refs do, with the exception perhaps of Joe McQullian.
You lost the game cos Mr "everybody look at me" John Cena decided to shoot when he should have been passing.
Is he buckin your daughter or sister or something?
I remember joe canning doing it a few years back
thought It was funny then
Great to see a young talent celebrating scoring goals on his debut season. That Armagh front 8 are a joy to behold in person. Hope Clarke & co stay about for next season and beyond.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 01, 2019, 11:43:13 AM
After the game I didnt give out about the ref and during the match i dont think i lambasted too many of his decisions. Yeah he did things i didnt agree with but in the main we did some silly things that were ultimately our downfall (eg Shields getting the COC free moved up when he clearly didnt believe the first location was scorable).
The goalkeeping situation needs addressing before Christmas. There are surely better options.
There is definite progress with that Armagh side. We are still forward heavy. Midfield area has strengthened though with JOB, Grimley, Sheridan and O O'Neill. My concern would be with the half back line. It's an area that i do not feel we are getting enough out of.
Well impressed by Paul Hughes on Saturday night.
On the question of the goalkeeper, we need to be careful what we wish for. The article below sums up exactly what has happened since Hearty's retirement. Hughes was fantastic in his first year but a few wobbles later and we all have short memories. There was no silver bullet to the one point loss on Saturday. Some of our best performers kicked bad wides, we gave away some soft frees, indiscipline caused some to be moved into score-able areas and the referee done us no favours. Yes, Hughes could have done better on both goals and on kickouts, but presumably if there was a better keeper out there they would be in the fold. Others like O'Neill and Shields, made some terrible decisions but I don't see so much focus on them. I hope we don't end up doing to Blaine Hughes, what was done to McEvoy.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/armagh-closing-in-on-a-solution-to-goalkeeping-riddle-35999066.html
Eamonn Fitzmaurice also very complimentary of Armagh's keeper in his column today.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
A trampish act? Coming from the home of the trampish acts, that is laughable.
Quote from: APM on July 01, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 01, 2019, 11:43:13 AM
The goalkeeping situation needs addressing before Christmas. There are surely better options.
There is definite progress with that Armagh side. We are still forward heavy. Midfield area has strengthened though with JOB, Grimley, Sheridan and O O'Neill. My concern would be with the half back line. It's an area that i do not feel we are getting enough out of.
On the question of the goalkeeper, we need to be careful what we wish for. The article below sums up exactly what has happened since Hearty's retirement. Hughes was fantastic in his first year but a few wobbles later and we all have short memories. There was no silver bullet to the one point loss on Saturday. Some of our best performers kicked bad wides, we gave away some soft frees, indiscipline caused some to be moved into score-able areas and the referee done us no favours. Yes, Hughes could have done better on both goals and on kickouts, but presumably if there was a better keeper out there they would be in the fold. Others like O'Neill and Shields, made some terrible decisions but I don't see so much focus on them. I hope we don't end up doing to Blaine Hughes, what was done to McEvoy.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/armagh-closing-in-on-a-solution-to-goalkeeping-riddle-35999066.html
I think we look back at Hearty with rose tinted glasses. He made his fair share of blunders, remember against Donegal in Ballybofey when he was easily knocked and he dropped it into the net as an example. Remember how often he could kick it out over the sideline. It was no golden age.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 01, 2019, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
A trampish act? Coming from the home of the trampish acts, that is laughable.
[/quoteDont worry that OLD man he hit was a garda inspector if it kicked off he have 20 Cops kcking the crap out of him in a flash
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 01, 2019, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: APM on July 01, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 01, 2019, 11:43:13 AM
The goalkeeping situation needs addressing before Christmas. There are surely better options.
There is definite progress with that Armagh side. We are still forward heavy. Midfield area has strengthened though with JOB, Grimley, Sheridan and O O'Neill. My concern would be with the half back line. It's an area that i do not feel we are getting enough out of.
On the question of the goalkeeper, we need to be careful what we wish for. The article below sums up exactly what has happened since Hearty's retirement. Hughes was fantastic in his first year but a few wobbles later and we all have short memories. There was no silver bullet to the one point loss on Saturday. Some of our best performers kicked bad wides, we gave away some soft frees, indiscipline caused some to be moved into score-able areas and the referee done us no favours. Yes, Hughes could have done better on both goals and on kickouts, but presumably if there was a better keeper out there they would be in the fold. Others like O'Neill and Shields, made some terrible decisions but I don't see so much focus on them. I hope we don't end up doing to Blaine Hughes, what was done to McEvoy.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/armagh-closing-in-on-a-solution-to-goalkeeping-riddle-35999066.html
I think we look back at Hearty with rose tinted glasses. He made his fair share of blunders, remember against Donegal in Ballybofey when he was easily knocked and he dropped it into the net as an example. Remember how often he could kick it out over the sideline. It was no golden age.
Indeed, I also remember a few moments of madness - I think in Omagh in the qualifiers in 2011 there was at least one howler where he got caught in possession.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 01, 2019, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
A trampish act? Coming from the home of the trampish acts, that is laughable.
Classy
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 01, 2019, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: APM on July 01, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 01, 2019, 11:43:13 AM
The goalkeeping situation needs addressing before Christmas. There are surely better options.
There is definite progress with that Armagh side. We are still forward heavy. Midfield area has strengthened though with JOB, Grimley, Sheridan and O O'Neill. My concern would be with the half back line. It's an area that i do not feel we are getting enough out of.
On the question of the goalkeeper, we need to be careful what we wish for. The article below sums up exactly what has happened since Hearty's retirement. Hughes was fantastic in his first year but a few wobbles later and we all have short memories. There was no silver bullet to the one point loss on Saturday. Some of our best performers kicked bad wides, we gave away some soft frees, indiscipline caused some to be moved into score-able areas and the referee done us no favours. Yes, Hughes could have done better on both goals and on kickouts, but presumably if there was a better keeper out there they would be in the fold. Others like O'Neill and Shields, made some terrible decisions but I don't see so much focus on them. I hope we don't end up doing to Blaine Hughes, what was done to McEvoy.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/armagh-closing-in-on-a-solution-to-goalkeeping-riddle-35999066.html
I think we look back at Hearty with rose tinted glasses. He made his fair share of blunders, remember against Donegal in Ballybofey when he was easily knocked and he dropped it into the net as an example. Remember how often he could kick it out over the sideline. It was no golden age.
He did have a few errors but Hearty was generally very reliable and very good under the high ball. Decent shot stopper too.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2019, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
+1
I have to agree with your first paragraph. I can understand Armagh fans feeling they left the game behind but if Mayo had been Dublin or any of the other top teams, Armagh would have been beaten out the gate. That's a bit harsh but it's the objective truth, (IMO of course.)
Mayo had stepped up a gear coming into the closing stages and moved 5 points clear. They then did what Mayo supporters have become used to- they lost concentration and almost blew their chances as Armagh came back at them. That usually happens in every game Mayo is involved i and probably will happen next weekend too, unfortunately.
An RTE NEWS NOW copywriter got it bang on yesterday. The headline read, "Mayo almost manage to lose...." and I can't find fault with that.
As regards Maurice Deegan, Mayo supporters have had their own reasons for giving out about his decision making in a few championship games in recent years. I don't think anyone could say that he favoured us and I saw no reason why I would think he was any different on Saturday. It can be argued that we got a few hairline decisions but he didn't set out to make up for previous games or anything like that.
Arrmagh were just as cynical as Mayo but they didn't get away with as much because Mayo are more experienced at fouling.
I agree with the comments of the Armagh ref (even if he's made up), I've watched some of the game again and say that the showboating was the worst, at a time when the game was in the melting pot, he stopped the game and strolled around like a wannabe Napoleon fussing over nothing.
Quote from: general_lee on July 01, 2019, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 01, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Yes Armagh missed chances and made wrong decisions. But Deegan influences the outcome of games in a way few other refs do, with the exception perhaps of Joe McQullian.
You lost the game cos Mr "everybody look at me" John Cena decided to shoot when he should have been passing.
Is he buckin your daughter or sister or something?
Now don't be silly....he's from Tyrone, he's bucking his own sister
Quote from: APM on July 01, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
I hope we don't end up doing to Blaine Hughes, what was done to McEvoy.
Funny, with all this talk about Blaine Hughes, Philly McEvoy's name came into my own mind as well. I'd share your concern. There was a lot of talk about Geezer asking Jack Grugan to consider goals and Jack was having none of it and walked. However having watched Beggan and the Cavan keeper (name escapes me) this year, I do wonder if trying to include a top class long range free taker - probably as a goalkeeper - is the way to go.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 01, 2019, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
A trampish act? Coming from the home of the trampish acts, that is laughable.
Owen were you not the one on here preaching about whataboutary previously. You holding others to higher standards than yourself.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.
We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 02, 2019, 08:34:03 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 01, 2019, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 30, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Again you're alluding to the fact that no 5 may have been justified in his actions and somethiing may have happened beforehand that meant he deserved to be shoved. Why continue to grasp at straws and not just call it out for what everyone else can see .... a trampish act?
A trampish act? Coming from the home of the trampish acts, that is laughable.
Owen were you not the one on here preaching about whataboutary previously. You holding others to higher standards than yourself.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.
We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
Good point!
Armagh are like the England Women's team. Unheard of for years then after a couple of wins they are hyped up as world beaters!! ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2019, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
+1
I have to agree with your first paragraph. I can understand Armagh fans feeling they left the game behind but if Mayo had been Dublin or any of the other top teams, Armagh would have been beaten out the gate. That's a bit harsh but it's the objective truth, (IMO of course.)
Mayo had stepped up a gear coming into the closing stages and moved 5 points clear. They then did what Mayo supporters have become used to- they lost concentration and almost blew their chances as Armagh came back at them. That usually happens in every game Mayo is involved i and probably will happen next weekend too, unfortunately.
An RTE NEWS NOW copywriter got it bang on yesterday. The headline read, "Mayo almost manage to lose...." and I can't find fault with that.
As regards Maurice Deegan, Mayo supporters have had their own reasons for giving out about his decision making in a few championship games in recent years. I don't think anyone could say that he favoured us and I saw no reason why I would think he was any different on Saturday. It can be argued that we got a few hairline decisions but he didn't set out to make up for previous games or anything like that.
Arrmagh were just as cynical as Mayo but they didn't get away with as much because Mayo are more experienced at fouling.
Stepped up? Mayo got a goal out of nothing that should have been called up for steps and had a flattering 5 point lead. A lead that should have been wiped out within minutes if Jamie Clarke didn't hit such a poor shot along the ground to allow his namesake Clarke to save.
Mayo scored 1-7 from 8 attempts in that 2nd half when if ever have Mayo been that accurate? the Dubs would be proud with that type of strike rate. With all the wastefulness,errors and all the momentum for the closing stages it was Armagh in truth was the ones that managed to lose that game and very grateful Mayo lived to fight another day.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 03, 2019, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2019, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
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I have to agree with your first paragraph. I can understand Armagh fans feeling they left the game behind but if Mayo had been Dublin or any of the other top teams, Armagh would have been beaten out the gate. That's a bit harsh but it's the objective truth, (IMO of course.)
Mayo had stepped up a gear coming into the closing stages and moved 5 points clear. They then did what Mayo supporters have become used to- they lost concentration and almost blew their chances as Armagh came back at them. That usually happens in every game Mayo is involved i and probably will happen next weekend too, unfortunately.
An RTE NEWS NOW copywriter got it bang on yesterday. The headline read, "Mayo almost manage to lose...." and I can't find fault with that.
As regards Maurice Deegan, Mayo supporters have had their own reasons for giving out about his decision making in a few championship games in recent years. I don't think anyone could say that he favoured us and I saw no reason why I would think he was any different on Saturday. It can be argued that we got a few hairline decisions but he didn't set out to make up for previous games or anything like that.
Arrmagh were just as cynical as Mayo but they didn't get away with as much because Mayo are more experienced at fouling.
Stepped up? Mayo got a goal out of nothing that should have been called up for steps and had a flattering 5 point lead. A lead that should have been wiped out within minutes if Jamie Clarke didn't hit such a poor shot along the ground to allow his namesake Clarke to save.
Mayo scored 1-7 from 8 attempts in that 2nd half when if ever have Mayo been that accurate? the Dubs would be proud with that type of strike rate. With all the wastefulness,errors and all the momentum for the closing stages it was Armagh in truth was the ones that managed to lose that game and very grateful Mayo lived to fight another day.
Watched the game again in full last night.
Thoughts in no particular order.
The 2019 is poorer for not having Armagh in the super 8's. They are a very good football team, good midfield, three or four top class forwards, biggest takeaway, their ferocity in the tackle was amazing, pure textbook stuff, reminded me of Mayo in years gone by.
They turned Mayo over again and again, all over the field. Their coach's should be commended. I would have loved to have seen them in Croke Park, mind you not at Mayo expense.
Armagh also have a very passionate support base which i respect.
Main turning point, IMO Shields stupid trip on Kevin McLoughilin as COC was about to take a free 50 + yards out against the wind, Armagh had all the momentum, they had just scored two in two minutes and there was a point between them. It gave Mayo a gift of a point.
Did not think McLoughlin over carried.
David Clarke way to uncomfortable to be handling the ball outside the 14 yard line.
Keith Higgins for all his defensive flaws, started so many attacks he is still irreplaceable. Horan should just start him in half forwards.
Beginning to think that Boland may not be up to it at this level. he tries but...
Conor Loftus did not put his body on the line around halfway line after 20 mins, ( he may be carrying an injury), result Armagh point.
Lee Keegan right before he was substituted, got dispossessed on the Armagh 21 yard line, right after kicked an aimless pass across the armagh 21 yard line to absolutely nobody, not something you would expect from such a seasoned veteran. We will miss him, for sure, as a man to man marker.
Harrison tries very hard, playing out of position, he is not a full back (hardest position to play in the modern game ), does not have the physical presence for full back, he was knocked off the ball too easily by Jamie Clarke, who while excellent is not the biggest of forwards.
I will take some positives, Vaughan and COC back on the field.
A lot of new faces getting some championship game time.
Tracey and Murray getting game time, but both just not physically conditioned at this point for inter-county senior football.
McDonagh, Coen excellent, as was AOS.
I would be happy with a super 8 appearance at this point, given our injuries, but we have a big panel, at least that is what we were led to believe at then end of the league.
Unfortunate reality of 2019, is that we most likely blew it with the loss to Roscommon.
Hoping we can get through next Saturday.
Harrison was just given a sneak push in the back by Clarke , nothing against Clarke but don't hold it against Harrison
Quote from: rosnarun on July 03, 2019, 03:19:10 PM
Harrison was just given a sneak push in the back by Clarke , nothing against Clarke but don't hold it against Harrison
Quote from: joemamas on July 03, 2019, 02:46:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 03, 2019, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2019, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
I cant believe all the whinging people are doing about The ref here , Jame clarke should have been black carded after about 2 mins if you care to rewind the video now that would have changed the GAme. and peobable 2 more could have got them . almost every time mayo got a free they were blocked from taking it and theis firectly cost them 2 points which would have made all the difference .
I was sitting beside a former Armagh inter county ref who was a referees accessor , he had no problems with deegan apart from the bit of showboating when he alsmost for got to Show (grugan and Harrison?)
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I have to agree with your first paragraph. I can understand Armagh fans feeling they left the game behind but if Mayo had been Dublin or any of the other top teams, Armagh would have been beaten out the gate. That's a bit harsh but it's the objective truth, (IMO of course.)
Mayo had stepped up a gear coming into the closing stages and moved 5 points clear. They then did what Mayo supporters have become used to- they lost concentration and almost blew their chances as Armagh came back at them. That usually happens in every game Mayo is involved i and probably will happen next weekend too, unfortunately.
An RTE NEWS NOW copywriter got it bang on yesterday. The headline read, "Mayo almost manage to lose...." and I can't find fault with that.
As regards Maurice Deegan, Mayo supporters have had their own reasons for giving out about his decision making in a few championship games in recent years. I don't think anyone could say that he favoured us and I saw no reason why I would think he was any different on Saturday. It can be argued that we got a few hairline decisions but he didn't set out to make up for previous games or anything like that.
Arrmagh were just as cynical as Mayo but they didn't get away with as much because Mayo are more experienced at fouling.
Stepped up? Mayo got a goal out of nothing that should have been called up for steps and had a flattering 5 point lead. A lead that should have been wiped out within minutes if Jamie Clarke didn't hit such a poor shot along the ground to allow his namesake Clarke to save.
Mayo scored 1-7 from 8 attempts in that 2nd half when if ever have Mayo been that accurate? the Dubs would be proud with that type of strike rate. With all the wastefulness,errors and all the momentum for the closing stages it was Armagh in truth was the ones that managed to lose that game and very grateful Mayo lived to fight another day.
Watched the game again in full last night.
Thoughts in no particular order.
The 2019 is poorer for not having Armagh in the super 8's. They are a very good football team, good midfield, three or four top class forwards, biggest takeaway, their ferocity in the tackle was amazing, pure textbook stuff, reminded me of Mayo in years gone by.
They turned Mayo over again and again, all over the field. Their coach's should be commended. I would have loved to have seen them in Croke Park, mind you not at Mayo expense.
Armagh also have a very passionate support base which i respect.
Main turning point, IMO Shields stupid trip on Kevin McLoughilin as COC was about to take a free 50 + yards out against the wind, Armagh had all the momentum, they had just scored two in two minutes and there was a point between them. It gave Mayo a gift of a point.
Did not think McLoughlin over carried.
David Clarke way to uncomfortable to be handling the ball outside the 14 yard line.
Keith Higgins for all his defensive flaws, started so many attacks he is still irreplaceable. Horan should just start him in half forwards.
Beginning to think that Boland may not be up to it at this level. he tries but...
Conor Loftus did not put his body on the line around halfway line after 20 mins, ( he may be carrying an injury), result Armagh point.
Lee Keegan right before he was substituted, got dispossessed on the Armagh 21 yard line, right after kicked an aimless pass across the armagh 21 yard line to absolutely nobody, not something you would expect from such a seasoned veteran. We will miss him, for sure, as a man to man marker.
Harrison tries very hard, playing out of position, he is not a full back (hardest position to play in the modern game ), does not have the physical presence for full back, he was knocked off the ball too easily by Jamie Clarke, who while excellent is not the biggest of forwards.
I will take some positives, Vaughan and COC back on the field.
A lot of new faces getting some championship game time.
Tracey and Murray getting game time, but both just not physically conditioned at this point for inter-county senior football.
McDonagh, Coen excellent, as was AOS.
I would be happy with a super 8 appearance at this point, given our injuries, but we have a big panel, at least that is what we were led to believe at then end of the league.
Unfortunate reality of 2019, is that we most likely blew it with the loss to Roscommon.
Hoping we can get through next Saturday.
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Harrison was just given a sneak push in the back by Clarke , nothing against Clarke but don't hold it against Harrison
I was referring to some of the points he scored, not the goal.
I like Harrison, just dont believe he is a full back.
Then again we are not exactly blessed with options
Ex Armagh county player wants shot of McGeeney. Check out Thursdays Irish News.
If someone is going to come out with that at least they should put their name to it. A coward with no balls I doubt.
And also doesn't reflect well on the Irish news publishing it in the first place.
Anyone going to post what was said?
Agreed poor form from the paper publishing it without giving a name, sensationalises discontent within the county in my view.
Mc Geeney going nowhere. Why would he give up a lucrative full time job. Decent manager who raises money to pay for own post and funding the team. Will be in best interests of both parties that he stays.
McGeeney divides opinion and people know by now what his strengths and weaknesses are. I personally think he should stay for at least another year to see if he can progress the team and get them back to division one and competing for Super 8's. He is self financed and runs a very professional set up and has the absolutely loyalty of his players who are very well prepared but he has no great affinity for the club game which tends to annoy a lot of the grassroots supporters. A war through the papers does not reflect very well on anybody and I get the feeling that this will rumble on now with people already querying who wrote the letter. Aidan Forker had already used the same paper to bat for Geezer in the previous couple of days. He could have avoided all of this by stating that he was staying on directly after the match on Saturday but instead the void has now been filled by people questioning whether he should stay or go.
A PROMINENT former Armagh player has called on the Orchard county board to "be ruthless and make a change at the top" by getting rid of manager Kieran McGeeney.
In a letter to the Irish News, the former Orchard star, who did not wish to be named, said that while McGeeney had been "a great leader" as a player, his loyalty to those in the current Armagh setup had become a fault.
"It can be hard to put your finger on what exactly has gone wrong but one thing is clear, his time has run out," said the letter.
"At the time of his appointment many thought Geezer would use the opportunity to bring in a new backroom team. He didn't. It seems he is a seriously loyal man but his tenure shows he has been loyal to a fault.
"Had he freshened up his support staff maybe he would have had success at an earlier stage, maybe a coach and a fitness expert whom the players respected, but he stuck with the people he trusted.
"He also laboured with players who were loyal to him, putting them on before those who were better than they were. It was only when us supporters were roaring on to the pitch that he reluctantly dropped them. This loyalty served neither him nor the players."
The former player also hit out at Geezer's post-match interview following the weekend's narrow defeat in Mayo, where McGeeney questioned the referee's decision to only add four minutes of stoppage time at the end of the game.
Maurice Deegan's performance has been a major talking point across the board since last Saturday, but the former player believes blaming referees has been an ongoing narrative of McGeeney's reign.
"The post-match interview to Sky Sports was most revealing. What grinds me down is the hard luck stories.
"'Oh the referee was against us', 'we couldn't buy a free', etc, as if it the game wasn't riddled with mistakes on and off the pitch.
"Would it not have been better to push up on the Mayo kickouts when we had them on the rack? Or to change up the system of play to keep Mayo thinking, rather than counting the number of times that the referee got it wrong?"
A role as a director of football would have been more suitable for McGeeney, believes the ex-Orchard star.
"The penny finally dropped with me when in that Sky interview 'Geezer' said the county board are 'in the black' now and he went on to talk about a failed development structure which has only recently undergone a restructuring.
"When have you ever heard of a manager talking about the county's finances as if it was a priority for them? This statement epitomises what has been Geezers strengths within his time as senior manager.
"His strengths have been in the role of football director where he has been involved in restructuring the county board, the development squads, the finances, and so on.
"His one glaring omission has been a lack of absolute focus on the senior team, which I feel should have been his only priority.
"The county board need to be mature about the next decision they make. Don't hide behind loyalty or suggest that the clubs make the final call; it is the county board that makes the recommendation.
"Time to be ruthless and to make a change at the top. This team is capable of winning if they are properly guided.
"I want Armagh to be successful in 2020, not to be more of the same."
Reading that article I wouldn't even be too sure if it was actually a former player at all. If it is an anonymous letter it should never have been published on the back page, put it in the letters page with the rest of the public but don't make an article out of it.
It may be legit and it maks a lot of valid points but the fact that the 'author' has refused to add his name to it leaves it a bit worthless and the IN should have had the balls to insist upon the name going on it or not print at all. I have been openly critical of a number of matters over the years about the county on here and on the Armagh Forum but I will stand over what I say. I have openly said to people involved with the county set up where I see problems....I actually do not believe that Geezer is that issue....rather the back room is. McCorry has made a difference this year. I believe that the 'author' of the letter has the right idea of what Geezer should be, a director of football. I have always said he should be retained in such a capacity, similar to what Clive Woodward was in the English Rugby set up that won the World Cup. An organizer, a facilitator, a manager of coaches. Leave the coaching to the people that can coach.
Fair enough article and raises some good points. His tenure will eventually come to an end but the county board would be idiots to not have him involved in some operational capacity.
The line "He also laboured with players who were loyal to him, putting them on before those who were better than they were." reeks of the author feeling a clubmate should be on in front of other players in my eyes.
Hand on heart, Armagh haven't had a top panel in years, I would say this year was the first time in a long time they had options off the bench where that statement could be vindicated. O O'Neil this year would be a good example of that. Apart from this year, if players were on the bench with the panels they had then there would be very little complaints I would say.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 04, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
Anyone going to post what was said?
Agreed poor form from the paper publishing it without giving a name, sensationalises discontent within the county in my view.
tbf Irish news has really gone to the dogs
used to be a quality paper
no longer though
A conversation I had with a former Armagh player sitting beside me during the the first Cavan game has striking similarities to thoughts in that article, I agree with alot of it. But I wouldnt want to see McGeeney being dropped, he has alot to offer to the set-up with a young team who are obviously progressing.
Quote from: naka on July 04, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on July 04, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
Anyone going to post what was said?
Agreed poor form from the paper publishing it without giving a name, sensationalises discontent within the county in my view.
tbf Irish news has really gone to the dogs
used to be a quality paper
no longer though
That's a bit of an exaggeration!
Can hardly remember a time when it was a 'quality paper'.
The real question when it comes to those wanting to get rid of McGeeney is, who is the stand out candidate that really wants the job and is willing to step in?
McGeeney made the right step in bringing in Jim McCorry and giving him a say in matters on the field.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 04, 2019, 10:23:13 AM
McGeeney divides opinion and people know by now what his strengths and weaknesses are. I personally think he should stay for at least another year to see if he can progress the team and get them back to division one and competing for Super 8's. He is self financed and runs a very professional set up and has the absolutely loyalty of his players who are very well prepared but he has no great affinity for the club game which tends to annoy a lot of the grassroots supporters. A war through the papers does not reflect very well on anybody and I get the feeling that this will rumble on now with people already querying who wrote the letter. Aidan Forker had already used the same paper to bat for Geezer in the previous couple of days. He could have avoided all of this by stating that he was staying on directly after the match on Saturday but instead the void has now been filled by people questioning whether he should stay or go.
I was on the fence with McGeeney and still am, especially with the obvious issues of not winning our own or opposition kickouts, but he's really impressed me with some of our forward play in the championship especially, but this really sickens me about the man.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 04, 2019, 04:29:50 PM
The real question when it comes to those wanting to get rid of McGeeney is, who is the stand out candidate that really wants the job and is willing to step in?
McGeeney made the right step in bringing in Jim McCorry and giving him a say in matters on the field.
I'd agree that McCorry has improved things from a coaching and tactical perspective. McGeeney himself will have a team mentally and physically prepared to the nth degree.
To answer your first question I really don't see anybody obvious who fits both criteria. Tony McEntee is the most obvious one who has been mooted before but nobody knows if he would even be interested in the job. His record at club level is serioously impressive although he is unproven in management at county level other than as part of the Mayo backroom team where nobody really knows how influential he was.
So Tyrone demolish a Cavan team that ran Armagh out the door. If Armagh did manage to fluke their way into super 8s this year they would've ended up on -20 or more v a big team. Mayo result was a blessing in disguise.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 06, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
So Tyrone demolish a Cavan team that ran Armagh out the door. If Armagh did manage to fluke their way into super 8s this year they would've ended up on -20 or more v a big team. Mayo result was a blessing in disguise.
Tis a funny old game. Sure we left it behind us in Castlebar and Mayo made fools of Galway this week. Cavan just didn't turn up against Tyrone, although in fairness Armagh still another year away from being super 8 standard.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 07, 2019, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 06, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
So Tyrone demolish a Cavan team that ran Armagh out the door. If Armagh did manage to fluke their way into super 8s this year they would've ended up on -20 or more v a big team. Mayo result was a blessing in disguise.
Tis a funny old game. Sure we left it behind us in Castlebar and Mayo made fools of Galway this week. Cavan just didn't turn up against Tyrone, although in fairness Armagh still another year away from being super 8 standard.
Don't encourage the WUM.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 07, 2019, 09:15:08 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 07, 2019, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 06, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
So Tyrone demolish a Cavan team that ran Armagh out the door. If Armagh did manage to fluke their way into super 8s this year they would've ended up on -20 or more v a big team. Mayo result was a blessing in disguise.
Tis a funny old game. Sure we left it behind us in Castlebar and Mayo made fools of Galway this week. Cavan just didn't turn up against Tyrone, although in fairness Armagh still another year away from being super 8 standard.
Don't encourage the WUM.
100% this. You're dealing with a particularly determined WUM who posts in various guises. Definitely one to ignore.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 06, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
So Tyrone demolish a Cavan team that ran Armagh out the door. If Armagh did manage to fluke their way into super 8s this year they would've ended up on -20 or more v a big team. Mayo result was a blessing in disguise.
Mayo will make anybody feel good. You are right. Mayo played 2X v Galway in Limerick and gave a poorish enough Galway just enough to have regrets as well - when they shouldnt really really have any. Enough comfort maybe for Kevin Walsh to hang in there. I dont know Armagh enough to suggest anything about the future but would love to see Walsh replaced in Galway - speaking as a Mayo man.