Quarter Finals:
1) Waterford v Limerick on 31 October 7pm in Dungarvan;
2) Tipperary v Clare on 1 November 1pm in Thurles.
Semi Finals:
Cork v Kerry on 8 November at 4pm in Páirc Uí Chaoimh;
Winner qf 1) v Winner qf 2) on 7 November 1:15pm venue TBD
Final:
Semi final winners on 22 November 1:30pm venue TBD
Both those quarter finals have the potential to be tight enough affairs.
Limerick and Waterford both only had 1 game in the league [and Waterford barely managed that] so recent form is a bit questionable. Limerick's early season form of 6 wins in 6 seems a long time ago now.
Tipp's form in Division 3 looked a bit up-and-down compared to Clare's more solid form in Division 2, even if Clare only avoided relegation on head-to-head.
Cork will probably need a few goals to have any chance against Kerry - even though they got 3 last year they ended up losing.
Donegal 9a big part of this was surely Donegal's challenge match approach to the game) and Monaghan didn't see to create much in the way of goal chances against Kerry.
I wouldn't be surprised if Cork do a bit better at this given the amount of goals they have scored in Division 3 and I'd also have doubts about the Kerry defence if run at.
A season in Division 3 is woeful preparation for taking on Kerry.
Some risk if they don't get goals and Kerry do, I could see the possibility of an ugly enough scoreline.
Nothing more the Kerry lads would enjoy that running up the score against a Cork side if they get the chance.
Very hard to look beyond Kerry; if Cork do pull off an upset against them, they will be short odds to win Munster, although at this stage if it came down to a Cork v Clare final I have half an notion that Clare might give them a fright in the final. Close to impossible to see Cork going any further than winning Munster - whoever comes out of Connacht would surely have too much for them in an All-Ireland semi-final.
If there were Qualifiers Cork might have a chance as Kerry would be more focused on the closing stages.
But in a winner takes all game Kerry will be totally focused and very hard to see them slipping up.
Quote from: twohands!!! on October 28, 2020, 04:38:20 PM
Both those quarter finals have the potential to be tight enough affairs.
Limerick and Waterford both only had 1 game in the league [and Waterford barely managed that] so recent form is a bit questionable. Limerick's early season form of 6 wins in 6 seems a long time ago now.
Tipp's form in Division 3 looked a bit up-and-down compared to Clare's more solid form in Division 2, even if Clare only avoided relegation on head-to-head.
Cork will probably need a few goals to have any chance against Kerry - even though they got 3 last year they ended up losing.
Donegal 9a big part of this was surely Donegal's challenge match approach to the game) and Monaghan didn't see to create much in the way of goal chances against Kerry.
I wouldn't be surprised if Cork do a bit better at this given the amount of goals they have scored in Division 3 and I'd also have doubts about the Kerry defence if run at.
A season in Division 3 is woeful preparation for taking on Kerry.
Some risk if they don't get goals and Kerry do, I could see the possibility of an ugly enough scoreline.
Nothing more the Kerry lads would enjoy that running up the score against a Cork side if they get the chance.
Very hard to look beyond Kerry; if Cork do pull off an upset against them, they will be short odds to win Munster, although at this stage if it came down to a Cork v Clare final I have half an notion that Clare might give them a fright in the final. Close to impossible to see Cork going any further than winning Munster - whoever comes out of Connacht would surely have too much for them in an All-Ireland semi-final.
I would say it's close to impossible to see Cork getting to a Munster Final, never mind winning Munster. If they actually won Munster then they would only be very marginal underdogs in an All-Ireland semi. But they won't, surely.
Kerry are 1/5 to beat cork . Unfortunately I am an unsuccessful gambler but if even 70% of every 1/5 shot I ever did won I'd be a successful one . Point is Kerry are far from nailed on but most likely will .
Quote from: larryin89 on October 29, 2020, 06:13:58 PM
Kerry are 1/5 to beat cork . Unfortunately I am an unsuccessful gambler but if even 70% of every 1/5 shot I ever did won I'd be a successful one . Point is Kerry are far from nailed on but most likely will .
I can see why you are not a successfull gambler, do the maths on that last statement lar. ::)
Quote from: giveballaghback on October 29, 2020, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 29, 2020, 06:13:58 PM
Kerry are 1/5 to beat cork . Unfortunately I am an unsuccessful gambler but if even 70% of every 1/5 shot I ever did won I'd be a successful one . Point is Kerry are far from nailed on but most likely will .
I can see why you are not a successfull gambler, do the maths on that last statement lar. ::)
Lol yeah true but not true .
Example man united at 1/5 could let you down in an accumulator worth thousands , Celtic at 1/5 could also let you down for a fortune the next time and so forth , if seven out of every ten accumulators won for me where teams that were odds on it would of been boom boom boom . Be very interesting to see real stats for the likes .
But anyway Cork to win Munster .
Quote from: larryin89 on October 29, 2020, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on October 29, 2020, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on October 29, 2020, 06:13:58 PM
Kerry are 1/5 to beat cork . Unfortunately I am an unsuccessful gambler but if even 70% of every 1/5 shot I ever did won I'd be a successful one . Point is Kerry are far from nailed on but most likely will .
I can see why you are not a successfull gambler, do the maths on that last statement lar. ::)
Lol yeah true but not true .
Example man united at 1/5 could let you down in an accumulator worth thousands , Celtic at 1/5 could also let you down for a fortune the next time and so forth , if seven out of every ten accumulators won for me where teams that were odds on it would of been boom boom boom . Be very interesting to see real stats for the likes .
But anyway Cork to win Munster .
Studies have been done in this area. Short story - accumulators (while they can be fun) are a sure way to lose money over the long term. If you back at 1/5 then you need to win at least 9 times out of 10 to be in profit. Obviously an accumulator raises the odds, and thus the frequency in which one needs to win. But apparently the risk of one or more loser in the accumulator rises quicker than the reward for a win - thus favouring the bookie over the long run.
Cork will start well and may well be in the game after 50 mins. But Kerry will win by 5-8 points and beat Clare by a bit more in the final.
FT Limerick 2-14 Waterford: 0-9
Munster final v Tipperary. Will be tough game. Great preparation for semi final v Mayo.
Cork team named.
1. Micheal Martin (Nemo Rangers)
2. Sean Powter (Douglas)
3. Maurice Shanley (Clonakilty)
4. Kevin Flahive (Douglas)
5. Kevin O’Donovan (Nemo Rangers)
6. Sean Meehan (Kiskeam)
7. Mattie Taylor (Mallow)
8. Ian Maguire (St Finbarr’s)
9. Killian O’Hanlon (Kilshannig)
10. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
11. Colm O’Callaghan (Éire Óg)
12. Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues)
13. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Luke Connolly (Nemo Rangers)
Subs
16. Anthony Casey (Kiskeam)
17. Sam Ryan (St Finbarr’s)
18. Paul Ring (Aghabullogue)
19. Michael Hurley (Castlehaven)
20. Tadhg Corkery (Cill Na Martra)
21. Paul Walsh (Kanturk)
22. Kevin O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
23. Sean White (Clonakilty)
24. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
25. Mark Keane (Mitchelstown)
26. Damien Gore (Kilmacabea)
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 05, 2020, 09:50:26 PM
Cork team named.
1. Micheal Martin (Nemo Rangers)
2. Sean Powter (Douglas)
3. Maurice Shanley (Clonakilty)
4. Kevin Flahive (Douglas)
5. Kevin O'Donovan (Nemo Rangers)
6. Sean Meehan (Kiskeam)
7. Mattie Taylor (Mallow)
8. Ian Maguire (St Finbarr's)
9. Killian O'Hanlon (Kilshannig)
10. John O'Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
11. Colm O'Callaghan (Éire Óg)
12. Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues)
13. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Luke Connolly (Nemo Rangers)
Subs
16. Anthony Casey (Kiskeam)
17. Sam Ryan (St Finbarr's)
18. Paul Ring (Aghabullogue)
19. Michael Hurley (Castlehaven)
20. Tadhg Corkery (Cill Na Martra)
21. Paul Walsh (Kanturk)
22. Kevin O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
23. Sean White (Clonakilty)
24. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
25. Mark Keane (Mitchelstown)
26. Damien Gore (Kilmacabea)
I figure that the goalie for Cork is the Taoiseach's son?
Quote from: Helix. on November 05, 2020, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 05, 2020, 09:50:26 PM
Cork team named.
1. Micheal Martin (Nemo Rangers)
2. Sean Powter (Douglas)
3. Maurice Shanley (Clonakilty)
4. Kevin Flahive (Douglas)
5. Kevin O'Donovan (Nemo Rangers)
6. Sean Meehan (Kiskeam)
7. Mattie Taylor (Mallow)
8. Ian Maguire (St Finbarr's)
9. Killian O'Hanlon (Kilshannig)
10. John O'Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
11. Colm O'Callaghan (Éire Óg)
12. Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues)
13. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
15. Luke Connolly (Nemo Rangers)
Subs
16. Anthony Casey (Kiskeam)
17. Sam Ryan (St Finbarr's)
18. Paul Ring (Aghabullogue)
19. Michael Hurley (Castlehaven)
20. Tadhg Corkery (Cill Na Martra)
21. Paul Walsh (Kanturk)
22. Kevin O'Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
23. Sean White (Clonakilty)
24. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
25. Mark Keane (Mitchelstown)
26. Damien Gore (Kilmacabea)
I figure that the goalie for Cork is the Taoiseach's son?
He is indeed.
Limerick looking good 2-5 to 5 at ht.
All Tipp in 3rd Quarter 1-11 to 2-6.
1-12 to 2-9.
So its extra time. A Maurice Fitzgerald type equaliser for Tipp in 75th minute.
Tipp win by 1.
Awful miss from a mark by Limerick with the 2nd last kick of the game.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 07, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
Tipp win by 1.
Awful miss from a mark by Limerick with the 2nd last kick of the game.
We'll have nightmares tonight with that miss. Was so close to our first penalty shoot in senior championship.
This is awful
Puke football so far both teams very defensive!
Cork players caught sledging then Hurley touches the referee about as much as Rory Brennan did and there won't be a peep about it.
Imagine this rubbish was donegal v tyrone last week.
But not a peep said cause sure Kerry don't play blanket defense. Dilusonial
Ref is brutal
Well I think we're all in agreement it's pish!!
Systematic fouling from both sides is as blatant as I've seen as well... Tyrone level!!
Didn't think there was much wrong in that 'sledging' incident just seemed to be 2 lads celebrating a good tackle in a dangerous area.
If it's a hop ball for that the hurling lads are fucked!!!
If this was an Ulster game the outrage would be through the roof.
This is Kerry's usual level of cynicism though, lets see O'Rourke out with the propaganda.
Quote from: clarshack on November 08, 2020, 04:37:29 PM
Cork players caught sledging then Hurley touches the referee about as much as Rory Brennan did and there won't be a peep about it.
Sure it's awful ye can't rub the mans nose in it when he makes a mistake.
What is Corks problem with Crowley? They were really pumped about that for some reason.
Quote from: Sportacus on November 08, 2020, 04:43:34 PM
What is Corks problem with Crowley? They were really pumped about that for some reason.
Crowley spent the whole of the 2015 AI SF throwing digs at Sean Cavanagh and dragging out of him so I'd say he has form with Cork players too.
Biblical tackling according to Kevin Mc stay
Ger Canning: "You'd put your housekeeping money on him to get that"
Many fouls have been in this f**king match? Most cynical game of the year.
That wasn't a black card was it??
That is a ridiculous black card
Never a black.
Kerry in trouble.
Looks like Cork are the one short of a man
Great score from O'Shea from a long range free. He went short from frees in the same area on 7 or 8 occasions in the game so far which was bizarre.
Extra time here.
Will Moran miss any of it or just back to 15 on 15?
FT Cork 0-10 Kerry 0-10. Not the best of games quality wise but credit to Cork for bringing it to extra time
Interesting to see if Kerry will get called out on their negativity or cynicism.
This Munster puke is still 10 times more watchable and engrossing than Ulster puke.
Ulster puke is the pits of puke.
COR in full Kerry defence mode, an embarrassment of a pundit there.
O'Rourke talking some shite. The trip comes after the initial foul and the man going down therefore it's not a black card. Cantwell just straight up asked him if that matters.
Hard to know who to support. Would love to see Cork win but would they bate the Dubs?
Serious score there!
Unreal stuff from Clifford.
Then he misses 2 handy ones!
Cork haven't turned up in ET.
Very poor quality match even allowing for conditions. Pure arm wrestle of a contest with both teams setting up so defensively. Kerry just a bit more quality up front.
The black card sin bin time extends into ET?
i'd agree with Colm in hoping that it doesn't go to penalties.
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2020, 05:50:48 PM
Hard to know who to support. Would love to see Cork win but would they bate the Dubs?
Won't beat Mayo if they win Connacht in the All Ireland semi finals same goes for Kerry on this performance.
Quote from: trileacman on November 08, 2020, 05:13:50 PM
Many fouls have been in this f**king match? Most cynical game of the year.
ref needs to let it go
Cork are their own worst enemies in this game. A lot of very stray passing when not even under pressure.
Holy shit
LOL
Jaysus.
Some finish and Kerry got what they deserved, shockingly negative performance by both sides.
Jaysus that's the kind of drama we've missed at this stage for a good while. Any other year you'd still back Kerry to be in the AI semis, now they're out on their arses, and it's deserved.
Only themselves to blame, they had the chances to put it to bed earlier.
Just deserts. Kerry did not impress enough out there on the day as Munster champs, never mind potential AI champions.
As with Monaghan v Cavan, I'm delighted to see that result. When a team has clearly better footballers but chooses to go full attrition, they deserve to be beaten. It's better for the game of football.
—-
On another note, David Moran in the final ET period. Kicking it as far as he could every time. It was like he took a bang to the head and woke up in the 1960s.
Hopefully we get a break from the incessant hyping of Kerry and Clifford now.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
As with Monaghan v Cavan, I'm delighted to see that result. When a team has clearly better footballers but chooses to go full attrition, they deserve to be beaten. It's better for the game of football.
—-
On another note, David Moran in the final ET period. Kicking it as far as he could every time. It was like he took a bang to the head and woke up in the 1960s.
He's always liable to do that even though he's a class midfielder
The stupidity and decision making there from some of those Kerry players. :o
Cork no 6 should have been hung, draw and quartered if they lost that there not to take the shot on but it all worked out well.
For a county that likes to laud itself as football purists very few of those Kerry players were reluctant to kick the ball or take shots on.
Colm O'Rourke will be raging.
Kerry fucked that up big time and got what they deserved.
Cork showed serious hunger and Kerry weren't prepared for what was put up to them so that's what happens. Very rare you see those kind of upsets in the GAA fair play to them.
Having said that Kerry missed some handy handy frees!!
FT Cork 1-12 Kerry 0-13. Some drama at the end, A point effort than got held in up in the wind and turned into a match winning goal. Congrats to Cork TBH i thought Kerry would win by a bit to spare.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
As with Monaghan v Cavan, I'm delighted to see that result. When a team has clearly better footballers but chooses to go full attrition, they deserve to be beaten. It's better for the game of football.
—-
On another note, David Moran in the final ET period. Kicking it as far as he could every time. It was like he took a bang to the head and woke up in the 1960s.
Team with better players won that game lad, 2 years in a row.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
As with Monaghan v Cavan, I'm delighted to see that result. When a team has clearly better footballers but chooses to go full attrition, they deserve to be beaten. It's better for the game of football.
—-
On another note, David Moran in the final ET period. Kicking it as far as he could every time. It was like he took a bang to the head and woke up in the 1960s.
The 60s was a golden age for fuball
Down won their first all Irelands.
Tipp to win Munster??
The knives will be out for Peter Keane after that performance. Kerry probably should have won it with the sitters they missed.
Brilliant stuff!! Said to a mate 12/1 the draw looks good
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2020, 06:23:28 PM
Cork no 6 should have been hung, draw and quartered if they lost that there not to take the shot on but it all worked out well. kick the ball or take shots on..
Absolute cowardice from him that left them having to hope Connolly could stick one from 20 yards further out and another 20 yards towards the sideline. Absolute get out of jail free stuff from Cork but no more than Kerry deserved.
Quote from: Main Street on November 08, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
Just deserts. Kerry did not impress enough out there on the day as Munster champs, never mind potential AI champions.
That's knockout for you. The Qualifier system gives everyone a second chance and favours the top teams. Knockout does not.
Kerry have to be kicking themselves, probably in the easiest Province and no quarter finals this year. Like old school getting to an AI final with only a few games. Kerry believing their own hype and not doing the bread and butter stuff. Dublin would never lose a game like that. That will do serious damage to Kerry confidence going forward.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 08, 2020, 06:37:42 PM
Kerry have to be kicking themselves, probably in the easiest Province and no quarter finals this year. Like old school getting to an AI final with only a few games. Kerry believing their own hype and not doing the bread and butter stuff. Dublin would never lose a game like that. That will do serious damage to Kerry confidence going forward.
I think it might actually spur them on to be honest, to lose a game like that when overall favourite will make them think nothing is a given. A brutal lesson
Dublin will be happy tonight
Quote from: gallsman on November 08, 2020, 06:29:51 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2020, 06:23:28 PM
Cork no 6 should have been hung, draw and quartered if they lost that there not to take the shot on but it all worked out well. kick the ball or take shots on..
Absolute cowardice from him that left them having to hope Connolly could stick one from 20 yards further out and another 20 yards towards the sideline. Absolute get out of jail free stuff from Cork but no more than Kerry deserved.
100%. As Jimmy Greaves used to say, its a funny old game. If he had taken his shot and scored it was the lottery of a penalty shoot out. His cowardice meant a tougher shot and they got a winning goal from that.
Cork have beeen romping it at both underage levels last year, how many of those players are on the senior panel this year?
Quote from: Schkite on November 08, 2020, 06:19:56 PM
Jaysus that's the kind of drama we've missed at this stage for a good while. Any other year you'd still back Kerry to be in the AI semis, now they're out on their arses, and it's deserved.
Only themselves to blame, they had the chances to put it to bed earlier.
No harm to Kerry, it's a shite way to lose, but this is great to see. The championship has been missing this do or die drama for 20 years.
Time to scrap this two tier championship nonsense and this Super 8 bollix and have a proper knock out championship!
Quote from: kerryforsam20 on November 01, 2020, 08:48:47 PM
Munster final v Tipperary. Will be tough game. Great preparation for semi final v Mayo.
This aged well!! Time for a name change!!
It's great for the game but probably leaves us with a mismatch later on in the Championship. Delighted to see the Self proclaimed saviours of the game out on their arse.
Quote from: Itchy on November 08, 2020, 06:24:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
As with Monaghan v Cavan, I'm delighted to see that result. When a team has clearly better footballers but chooses to go full attrition, they deserve to be beaten. It's better for the game of football.
—-
On another note, David Moran in the final ET period. Kicking it as far as he could every time. It was like he took a bang to the head and woke up in the 1960s.
Team with better players won that game lad, 2 years in a row.
See Wobbler, when you try and complement Cavan, you're greeted with condescension (lad) and a contrary opinion.
Quote from: Angelo on November 08, 2020, 06:23:28 PM
The stupidity and decision making there from some of those Kerry players. :o
Cork no 6 should have been hung, draw and quartered if they lost that there not to take the shot on but it all worked out well.
He was U20 last year and this was his first championship game [either his 2nd or 3rd senior game with Cork] so I don't think he would have faced all that much criticism for not taking on the shot.
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 08, 2020, 06:28:33 PM
The knives will be out for Peter Keane after that performance. Kerry probably should have won it with the sitters they missed.
His term is up next year and I'd imagine he'll have to win the All-Ireland next year to get another term.
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Quote from: tippabu on November 08, 2020, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam20 on November 01, 2020, 08:48:47 PM
Munster final v Tipperary. Will be tough game. Great preparation for semi final v Mayo.
This aged well!! Time for a name change!!
Maybe he was talking about Cork?
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Did you miss the all Ireland final last year where kerry came within a whisker of beating Dublin?
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
It spoils the El classico final for the Dublin media! Where they can hark back to stories of the '70's again. About how Heffo made Dublin popular again and how Kerry won loads of AI's while all the rest of us.....well..... just looked on!
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Did you miss the all Ireland final last year where kerry came within a whisker of beating Dublin?
The first one where Dublin played most of the game a man down? Or the second one where Kerry were soundly beaten by 6 points?
Quote from: Main Street on November 08, 2020, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 08, 2020, 06:24:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
As with Monaghan v Cavan, I'm delighted to see that result. When a team has clearly better footballers but chooses to go full attrition, they deserve to be beaten. It's better for the game of football.
—-
On another note, David Moran in the final ET period. Kicking it as far as he could every time. It was like he took a bang to the head and woke up in the 1960s.
Team with better players won that game lad, 2 years in a row.
See Wobbler, when you try and complement Cavan, you're greeted with condescension (lad) and a contrary opinion.
Now now, back into our shadow like a good lad ;)
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:27:35 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Did you miss the all Ireland final last year where kerry came within a whisker of beating Dublin?
The first one where Dublin played most of the game a man down? Or the second one where Kerry were soundly beaten by 6 points?
Yes, the one where kerry missed a penalty. Tell me this, when was the last time a team came closer to knocking Dublin out of the championship?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2020, 06:29:26 PM
Brilliant stuff!! Said to a mate 12/1 the draw looks good
Like you have mates.
Some great games in this straight knock out championship, no second chances, we've definitely missed that drama since the backdoor came in. Well done Cork.
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:27:35 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Did you miss the all Ireland final last year where kerry came within a whisker of beating Dublin?
The first one where Dublin played most of the game a man down? Or the second one where Kerry were soundly beaten by 6 points?
Yes, the one where kerry missed a penalty. Tell me this, when was the last time a team came closer to knocking Dublin out of the championship?
2016 and 2017 when Dublin beat Mayo by a point in replay in 2016 final and by a point in 2017 final
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:27:35 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Close but not good enough! Kerry were not good enough. Mayo and Kerry have ran the post-2012 Dublin close on heaps of occasions. Donegal caught them on the hop in 2014. But it has been a procession since. Dublin would never have got caught in a game like the one Kerry got caught in this evening.
Dublin's chances of winning Sam have improved, but they were always favourites. Mayo, Donegal and maybe Galway will be bandied about. But they like all the rest are making up the numbers.
Did you miss the all Ireland final last year where kerry came within a whisker of beating Dublin?
The first one where Dublin played most of the game a man down? Or the second one where Kerry were soundly beaten by 6 points?
Yes, the one where kerry missed a penalty. Tell me this, when was the last time a team came closer to knocking Dublin out of the championship?
Quote from: Nanderson on November 08, 2020, 08:03:20 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:27:35 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Did you miss the all Ireland final last year where kerry came within a whisker of beating Dublin?
The first one where Dublin played most of the game a man down? Or the second one where Kerry were soundly beaten by 6 points?
Yes, the one where kerry missed a penalty. Tell me this, when was the last time a team came closer to knocking Dublin out of the championship?
2016 and 2017 when Dublin beat Mayo by a point in replay in 2016 final and by a point in 2017 final
I know!! Kerry 2019 had their faults (Tyrone should have beaten them for one thing) but the fact remains that they're the team who got closest to Dublin in the last 3 years and were probably best placed to challenge this year.
Donegal the next closest I'd say. Mayo or Galway both have two many questions imo
Why are people worried about other teams beating Dublin? Raise your standards and the rest will follow! Waiting on a team to underperform is madness. Kerry turned up thinking job done! Dublin turn up and beat teams from the start.
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Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Did you miss the all Ireland final last year where kerry came within a whisker of beating Dublin?
The first one where Dublin played most of the game a man down? Or the second one where Kerry were soundly beaten by 6 points?
Yes, the one where kerry missed a penalty. Tell me this, when was the last time a team came closer to knocking Dublin out of the championship?
As someone else has pointed out, Mayo 2017 & 2016. They came considerably closer and even did it without being a man up for most of the game.
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 08:12:08 PM
I know!! Kerry 2019 had their faults (Tyrone should have beaten them for one thing) but the fact remains that they're the team who got closest to Dublin in the last 3 years and were probably best placed to challenge this year.
Donegal the next closest I'd say. Mayo or Galway both have two many questions imo
How is that a fact? Mayo were closer in 2017 than Kerry were in 2019. The scoreboard doesn't lie.
The championship is not about the final you win all ireland by winning the tournament not just final.
You can't beat knockout football.
Score that goal in a normal year and no one will remember because Kerry will come through the back door. Score it in knockout format and it's a memory for decades. Time for change.
These division three teams aren't too shabby either. B Championship me arse.
Quote from: Sportacus on November 08, 2020, 08:28:28 PM
You can't beat knockout football.
Score that goal in a normal year and no one will remember because Kerry will come through the back door. Score it in knockout format and it's a memory for decades. Time for change.
These division three teams aren't too shabby either. B Championship me arse.
Nothing beats a game like the one the other night, Dublin v Westmeath
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You can't beat knockout football.
Score that goal in a normal year and no one will remember because Kerry will come through the back door. Score it in knockout format and it's a memory for decades. Time for change.
These division three teams aren't too shabby either. B Championship me arse.
Nothing beats a game like the one the other night, Dublin v Westmeath
Dublin are a freak. You can come up with a hundred formats and they still win. My point is knockout is where the passion is. It's what the GAA is about. I didn't say every game would be a classic.
Fair play to Cork but how did they win that game? They were so reluctant to go forward, pass sideways and back nobody wanted to take responsibility to take on the score. I still don't know if it was luck or judgement to lob in the high ball with seconds left, were they going for goal or trying for a point to go for penalties? Makes it very interesting now
Quote from: chrissears on November 08, 2020, 08:51:15 PM
Fair play to Cork but how did they win that game? They were so reluctant to go forward, pass sideways and back nobody wanted to take responsibility to take on the score. I still don't know if it was luck or judgement to lob in the high ball with seconds left, were they going for goal or trying for a point to go for penalties? Makes it very interesting now
The goal was a fluke but nobody outside Kerry will be complaining.
Fantastic win for Cork, Kerry complete architects of their own downfall though, I thought they were very poor and setup to play in a bizarre manner, understand the weather was a factor but still.
Would be nice if the commentators copped on a bit about Clifford as well, so OTT at this stage. It's ridiculous watching a match and hearing every single skill (even rudimentary skills) described as if a deity has descended from the heavens onto the pitch to perform it. He got a really fine point from the wing tonight but then McStay reckons it's the greatest point he's ever seen in his life, jesus f**king wept.
Clifford is a great player but give it a rest on the hype when it's not warranted, he had a lot of poor plays out there this evening as well.
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Fair play to Cork but how did they win that game? They were so reluctant to go forward, pass sideways and back nobody wanted to take responsibility to take on the score. I still don't know if it was luck or judgement to lob in the high ball with seconds left, were they going for goal or trying for a point to go for penalties? Makes it very interesting now
The goal was a fluke but nobody outside Kerry will be complaining.
Yeah Connolly was going for a point. He's the type of player who routinely takes on low percentage shots. And in fairness, gets a fair few of them.
Quote from: greatpoint on November 08, 2020, 06:21:32 PM
Hopefully we get a break from the incessant hyping of Kerry and Clifford now.
It's a bit nauseating but Clifford is a quality player. Kerry seem to set up around Clifford, he had moments today but the captaincy seems a weight on his young shoulders. Cork did a good job on him. I don't think that set-up suits Kerry, it's suppressing their other forwards. Kerry should be looking to play more through Sean O'Sea. Then Geaney and O'Donoghue were losses today, they have a spark that can make a difference in tight games.
Playing in front of no fans was something Cork are use to, definitely help today ;)
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Fair play to Cork but how did they win that game? They were so reluctant to go forward, pass sideways and back nobody wanted to take responsibility to take on the score. I still don't know if it was luck or judgement to lob in the high ball with seconds left, were they going for goal or trying for a point to go for penalties? Makes it very interesting now
The goal was a fluke but nobody outside Kerry will be complaining.
Yeah Connolly was going for a point. He's the type of player who routinely takes on low percentage shots. And in fairness, gets a fair few of them.
To be fair, he didn't have much choice. Time was up.
Time was almost up.. nothing like a smash and grab
Definitely going for point imo. Also the number six would have needed to have hit with his left and maybe doesn't have one.
This shows you what you miss with provincials not being true knockout.
That equalising point from Sweeney at the end was a cracker
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Not sure it has been discussed but the equalising sideline kick from Tipp looked like he was over the line when he kicked it!
It was a free. Not a sideline kick.
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Fair play to Cork but how did they win that game? They were so reluctant to go forward, pass sideways and back nobody wanted to take responsibility to take on the score. I still don't know if it was luck or judgement to lob in the high ball with seconds left, were they going for goal or trying for a point to go for penalties? Makes it very interesting now
Holding Kerry to 0-13 in 90 minutes hugely helped. Kerry no matter what they say afterwards was killed by complacency. Got a wake up call with the game brought into extra time but carried on their carefree attitude and was caught with their pants down.
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Dublin will be happy tonight
It's 2009 since Kerry last beat Dublin in the Championship, I don't think it will make much difference to them.
Did you miss the all Ireland final last year where kerry came within a whisker of beating Dublin?
The first one where Dublin played most of the game a man down? Or the second one where Kerry were soundly beaten by 6 points?
Yes, the one where kerry missed a penalty. Tell me this, when was the last time a team came closer to knocking Dublin out of the championship?
As someone else has pointed out, Mayo 2017 & 2016. They came considerably closer and even did it without being a man up for most of the game.
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 08, 2020, 08:12:08 PM
I know!! Kerry 2019 had their faults (Tyrone should have beaten them for one thing) but the fact remains that they're the team who got closest to Dublin in the last 3 years and were probably best placed to challenge this year.
Donegal the next closest I'd say. Mayo or Galway both have two many questions imo
How is that a fact? Mayo were closer in 2017 than Kerry were in 2019. The scoreboard doesn't lie.
" They came considerably closer"
Not sure how much closer you can get than a draw?
Do they add asterisks beside results now to say who had what sent off?
Macdanger is right, nobody has come closer than Kerry in the last three years to beating Dublin
Trump and Kerry gone in the same weekend, lovely
Funnily enough the way Kerry approached that game throughout reminded me of Hillary Clinton 2016 - they even got more scores than their opponent - 13 to Cork's 12 - but Cork got the one that counted
Kerry turned up today unprepared for a slogfest and Cork dragged them down to their level
If I was Peter Keane I'd have been flat out on the ground like Billy Morgan when Mikey Sheehy scored a seemingly winning goal in 1987
First time Cork have knocked Kerry out of the championship since 1999 - that was on a pissing wet day in Pairc Ui Chaoimh as well when current manager Ronan McCarthy literally dragged Maurice Fitzgerald, who was on the Kerry management team today, down to his level in a game which was choc full of shenanigans, it was naughty naughty
Cork have been making quiet improvement since they were relegated to Division 3 which is welcome for the game in general
But I can't see themselves or Galway having enough to challenge Dublin
Mayo might have, they are in genuine championship mode, and in this championship that's everything
Edit: 13 scores each, duh
If Dublin went out, what a cracking championship we would have! Can't see that happening though unfortunately.
But if it did, the calls for a return to a knockout championship would be deafening.
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Trump and Kerry gone in the same weekend, lovely
Funnily enough the way Kerry approached that game throughout reminded me of Hillary Clinton 2016 - they even got more scores than their opponent - 13 to Cork's 12 - but Cork got the one that counted
Kerry turned up today unprepared for a slogfest and Cork dragged them down to their level
If I was Peter Keane I'd have been flat out on the ground like Billy Morgan when Mikey Sheehy scored a seemingly winning goal in 1987
First time Cork have knocked Kerry out of the championship since 1999 - that was on a pissing wet day in Pairc Ui Chaoimh as well when current manager Ronan McCarthy literally dragged Maurice Fitzgerald, who was on the Kerry management team today, down to his level in a game which was choc full of shenanigans, it was naughty naughty
Cork have been making quiet improvement since they were relegated to Division 3 which is welcome for the game in general
But I can't see themselves or Galway having enough to challenge Dublin
Mayo might have, they are in genuine championship mode, and in this championship that's everything
Edit: 13 scores each, duh
Donegal are best contender imo.
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" They came considerably closer"
Not sure how much closer you can get than a draw?
Do they add asterisks beside results now to say who had what sent off?
Macdanger is right, nobody has come closer than Kerry in the last three years to beating Dublin
Did you only watch the drawn game and not bother with the replays or something? You consider losing twice by the minimum as further away than losing by 6 points?
I don't believe that they would add an asterisk for that but luckily we're on a GAA forum and not just reading down a spreadsheet of results, so our analysis can be a little bit more nuanced.
The last three Championships being 2017, 2018, 2019. Mayo 2017 were closer than Kerry 2019.
football better than hurling this year as hurling not single elimination knockout
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 08, 2020, 06:49:48 PM
It's great for the game but probably leaves us with a mismatch later on in the Championship. Delighted to see the Self proclaimed saviours of the game out on their arse.
I agree. Unless the west coast teams can up their standards it will be a procession.
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football better than hurling this year as hurling not single elimination knockout
Did you actually watch the games or is it better cause of the shocks?
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football better than hurling this year as hurling not single elimination knockout
Did you actually watch the games or is it better cause of the shocks?
The football on view this weekend was in most cases terrible spectacles
The weather has had a huge effect on this though.
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" They came considerably closer"
Not sure how much closer you can get than a draw?
Do they add asterisks beside results now to say who had what sent off?
Macdanger is right, nobody has come closer than Kerry in the last three years to beating Dublin
Did you only watch the drawn game and not bother with the replays or something? You consider losing twice by the minimum as further away than losing by 6 points?
I don't believe that they would add an asterisk for that but luckily we're on a GAA forum and not just reading down a spreadsheet of results, so our analysis can be a little bit more nuanced.
The last three Championships being 2017, 2018, 2019. Mayo 2017 were closer than Kerry 2019.
I suppose Trump won the election too?
Hard to argue against lads who chose to ignore facts but sure that's the internet isn't it
I'll leave you to it, good man
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football better than hurling this year as hurling not single elimination knockout
The best thing is I was able to read the Indo yesterday while watching Cork and Kerry and didnt miss a thing.
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football better than hurling this year as hurling not single elimination knockout
Did you actually watch the games or is it better cause of the shocks?
The football on view this weekend was in most cases terrible spectacles
And hurling has been glorified basketball with sticks. . . a score every 55 seconds in some games!!
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 08, 2020, 07:46:38 PM
First time since 1994 that Kerry will not be among the final eight teams** for the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship.
** Pre-2001 by reaching at least the Munster SFC Final, 2001 onwards by reaching at least the All-Ireland Quarter Finals.
after a quick search i reckon that is the first time since 1957 that Kerry will only have played one game in the Championship .. can anyone confirm?
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" They came considerably closer"
Not sure how much closer you can get than a draw?
Do they add asterisks beside results now to say who had what sent off?
Macdanger is right, nobody has come closer than Kerry in the last three years to beating Dublin
Did you only watch the drawn game and not bother with the replays or something? You consider losing twice by the minimum as further away than losing by 6 points?
I don't believe that they would add an asterisk for that but luckily we're on a GAA forum and not just reading down a spreadsheet of results, so our analysis can be a little bit more nuanced.
The last three Championships being 2017, 2018, 2019. Mayo 2017 were closer than Kerry 2019.
I suppose Trump won the election too?
Hard to argue against lads who chose to ignore facts but sure that's the internet isn't it
I'll leave you to it, good man
I've stated the relevant facts in the response you just quoted. Which facts did you reference pet?
What was notable about Kerry is the complete lack of football and footballers in that team.
Bar Clifford, O'Shea and Brosnan they were all primarily athletes or workhorses. They didn't seem to have anyone in the team bar those three and Spillane when he was introduced who looked like they were willing to take a shot on. I don't understand Sean O'Shea yesterday either, Kerry had I'd say about 10 frees in and around the 45 line, I think he might have had a shot at 2 of these, scoring 1. We all know that's within his range but he kept going short with them, it was bizarre when Kerry were struggling so bad to get their shots off.
Brosnan also looks like he is the new Barry John Keane, nice player but a guy who doesn't have the fight for a gritty game.
For all that minor success they have had they don't seem to have produced too many good footballers. I thought the referee did a decent job yesterday when both sides made little attempt to tackle the ball.
I though both black cards were brutal. Kerry played that game for 20 mins with 14 players because of him
O'Beaglaigh had a goal chance in the first 10 mins where he shot instead of squaring it to Brosnan for an easy tap in, could have all been different if he makes a better decision there
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I though both black cards were brutal. Kerry played that game for 20 mins with 14 players because of him
The Moran black card was fairly clearcut.
The other one was very soft.
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I though both black cards were brutal. Kerry played that game for 20 mins with 14 players because of him
The Moran black card was fairly clearcut.
The other one was very soft.
I thought Morans was very harsh, not a deliberate trip at all. a deliberate foul, yes, but deliberate trip, no way.
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I though both black cards were brutal. Kerry played that game for 20 mins with 14 players because of him
The Moran black card was fairly clearcut.
The other one was very soft.
I thought Morans was very harsh, not a deliberate trip at all. a deliberate foul, yes, but deliberate trip, no way.
Definite foot trip, not much doubt about it. The Cork midfielder was running past him and he puts the foot out in his path.
On your note about footballers in the Kerry team angelo what was as notable for me was that there were footballers on the bench and the manager chose the more defensive minded players instead. The two wing half forwards being a prime example. (As an aside Gooch couldn't even name the two players when he was previewing and had to look at his notes lol).
To me that game yesterday was a serious management failure as much as anything.
The goal chance they had early too which they missed - if that had went in flood gates might have opened. If O'Brien was on it would have been game over.
Are Geaney, ODonoghue injured? Stephen Obrien I presume was too, ore would've started...as his style would've suited yesterdays conditions all day long,running direct and winning frees.. 3 serious fwds on their day who are held and shoulders above 4-5 of Kerry players on show yesterday
I don't know about O'Brien. The Kerry pundits complaining seemed to think he was available but maybe not. Not sure about the other two but Geaney a huge loss and O'Donoghue while not as effective as he used to be is too.
The reckoning also was Spillane was the best in the kerry championship and should have been on from the start.
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I don't know about O'Brien. The Kerry pundits complaining seemed to think he was available but maybe not. Not sure about the other two but Geaney a huge loss and O'Donoghue while not as effective as he used to be is too.
The reckoning also was Spillane was the best in the kerry championship and should have been on from the start.
On RTÉ Radio 1, they made it sound like O'brien wasn't fit although they didn't explicitly say that.
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Quote from: Fionntamhnach on November 08, 2020, 07:46:38 PM
First time since 1994 that Kerry will not be among the final eight teams** for the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship.
** Pre-2001 by reaching at least the Munster SFC Final, 2001 onwards by reaching at least the All-Ireland Quarter Finals.
after a quick search i reckon that is the first time since 1957 that Kerry will only have played one game in the Championship .. can anyone confirm?
Your research is fairly weak...1993
That was a horrendous miss by the limerick boy at the end of that match. Wasn't a hard free and would have made it penalties.
Yeah it was a mark. Awful miss. As someone said - tipp *might* rattle cork. They do seem to have gone a bit backwards though.
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That was a horrendous miss by the limerick boy at the end of that match. Wasn't a hard free and would have made it penalties.
Think it was actually from a mark. I don't know what he tried to do but he hammered it up into the air as wide as a gate.
I'd say the Cork freetaker was glad they didn't have Hawkeye in PUC for his free with the last kick in normal time. Couldn't tell for certain but it was very close to going over the top of the upright
Colin O'Riordan cleared to play munster final. Big boost for ourselves
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That was a horrendous miss by the limerick boy at the end of that match. Wasn't a hard free and would have made it penalties.
Think it was actually from a mark. I don't know what he tried to do but he hammered it up into the air as wide as a gate.
I'd say the Cork freetaker was glad they didn't have Hawkeye in PUC for his free with the last kick in normal time. Couldn't tell for certain but it was very close to going over the top of the upright
i thought it looked wide at the time myself. could have done with a camera behind the goals.
Tipp are 4/1 in this, seems like generous odds esp with O'Riordan back
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 08:17:30 PM
Tipp are 4/1 in this, seems like generous odds esp with O'Riordan back
Seems to be overlooked by a fair few given how woeful Kerry were but Cork were no great shakes either.
The thing is Tipp were hardly up to all that much against Clare or Limerick and weren't great in the league.
Don't think 4/1 is value currently - maybe if the weather forecast is bad on the day.