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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club IFC/JFC 2018
« on: October 10, 2018, 07:50:35 PM »
My club played Emyvale in the 2013 all ireland club semi, was shocked to see them back at junior level. Howíd that happen?

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 06, 2018, 10:32:17 AM »
4- the intercounty system doesnít work. There are too many small counties who are making up the numbers and need to realign with other neighboring small counties to become viable competition to the big teams. Ireland is now an urbanized economy so the county system doesnít work for small rural counties.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 06, 2018, 10:26:20 AM »
The reasons GAA will go professional are numerous but the main ones are

1- thats just how the global economy works in capitalism, income generators receive reward in line with the income they generate
2- every sport in the world works this way, to think the GAA is immune to this because its only played in ireland is nonsense. Ireland is a big economy and it will support the same economic eco system as any other global economy which means the big sports are professional sports.
3- the intercounty players always win any arguments they enter into; the cork hurlers and footballers, the Galway hurlers, the Waterford hurlers, the newbridge or nowhere. The intercounty players simply have too much economic power to ever lose any argument with GAA bureaucrats. This argument will be big and bitter when it happens but eventually the players will win because there is no show without them.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 06, 2018, 10:19:38 AM »
Your third point about the GAA could withstand the impact of a GAA players strike, you ask what cards do the GAA hold?

Well they hold the cards where they bring in 50-70 million a year to the central association, more millions to the county boards and provincial councils.

They bring in further millions, practically countless millions, to the economy in general. All the restaurants, pubs, hotels, petrol stations, gardai, match staff, GAA administration staff, train drivers, bus drivers and taxi drivers who get huge income from match days.

The GAA would have to lay off a huge chunk of staff because they wouldnít have the money to pay them if the players went on strike and there would be no work for them to do anyway.

So to suggest the GAA would be blaise about losing the intercounty game income is frankly a ridiculous notion.

It would become a big issue for the government never mind the GAA if the money tap from the intercounty game was turned off.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 06, 2018, 10:10:25 AM »
Zulu, i guess youíve made a couple of points there so Iíll try and give my take on the three main ones. You make a very good point about why would the average to poor intercounty players vote themselves out of existence.

I guess I would say a couple of things:
1- it would be interesting to know how the vote currently looks in terms of favour for professionalism in the intercounty GAA players body currently.
2- the money makers for the GAA are the best of the best players, a corner back for Wicklow or number 26 on the cork panel donít make money really for the association. The first XVs for about 10 - 12 counties are the ones that create income and draw the big crowds and tv audiences. Then after that the likes of maybe 3 players for the weaker counties are at a level where they are financial assets to the association. So what you have is two bodies within the players association. One that are there to ďmake up the numbersĒ in teams that donít create income to the GAA really. And the other slightly smaller group which do create substantial income and if they were to withhold their working capital it would damage the association. In a model like this where one association (the GPA) is meant to represent the interests of a distinct group but canít because the interests of the group are too varying is it natural that eventually there will be a split in the GPA?

 I think its a distinct possibility. An association like the GPA is only fit for purpose if it can represent the overwhelming interests of its members. If it canít then a breakaway of members who are the most crucial to the GAA in terms of income is possible.

3- even the players who wouldnít get professional contracts still currently have to make a big time commitment to playing intercounty, at least 20 hours a week. Given this commitment for what is essientially no reward they might not be as against professionalism as you think.

Moving on to the point about professional GAA meaning players cant make money from day jobs, another good point.

what i would say is it really depends on the length of the season of a professional league and it also depends on the salary available for pro GAA players.

The length of the professional league season if only half the year, this would allow a lot of time for players to have different flexible day jobs such as run small businesses like gyms or be part time personal trainers or GAA club trainers. It would also leave a huge amount of time to complete night courses and further education as a couple of professional rugby players are particularly accustomed to doing. Professional sports men is not a 12 month a year job like working in a office or a bank so there is still plenty of part time work and further education GAA professional players could engage in.

In terms of salary I think 60k-70k a year would have to be the level to make it a plausible option for the average elite GAA player. Maybe less. If you have 10 squads of 30 thats only 300 people earning 70k so 21 million, throw in coaches etc and youíre at about 23 million. The intercounty game brings in about 50-70 million a year to central GAA already in the amateur era. It brings in more millions to individual county boards. The GAA also have to pay the GPA about 5 million a year anyway in the amateur era which they shouldnít  in a professional era so the figures, rough as they are, look conducive to professionalism.

Youíre third point about...to be continued

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 05, 2018, 01:44:51 PM »

Why would the GPA be balloting members to dissolve County squads?

The GPA don't ballot members on dissolving county squads.

 

What they do do however is have their members complete a survey every year where they are asked if professionalism means that there will no longer be an intercounty structure are they in favour of professionalism (GPA are savvy, the realise a 32 team structure for professionalism is an impossibility).

 

For now the answer has always been no but one day that no will turn into a yes and then we will likely see a ballot on strike if the GAA don't immediately agree to discussions on a professionlism.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 05, 2018, 12:57:59 PM »
The GPA represents only inter-county players so I  donít understand what you mean

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 05, 2018, 12:21:47 PM »
If the GPA balloted their members on the possibility of disbanding all county squads until the players were given an opportunity to enter into formal discussions to take the game professional what do people think would happen?

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 04, 2018, 09:10:28 PM »
I am all for endorsement but only if there is a level of fair play and transparency, there is things the GAA could implement to even the financial differences and bring the association back towards the amateur organisation most of us grew up loving. Some of the ideas may seem radical but might take a bit of an overhaul and something dramatic to bring the grassroots back into the fold.

1. Player Endorsements - If Adidas want to pay Joe Canning 20k for an ad fine but it gets approved from Croke Park. The 20K goes into a pool with all other endorsements over the year and then is split evenly among 64 counties panels at the end of the year. All players sign a commitment each January that this the only way endorsements are to be done and anything outside of this is a breach of the rules resulting in suspensions.

2. Sponsorship - If AIG reckon Dublin worth 1 million a year and Simply Fruits deal is 50k a year to Armagh (dont know what actual figures just an example) fine but all 32 sponsorship deals are approved at central council and the pool of funds distributed between 32 counties. AIG still getting the big advertisement so the amounts paid wouldn't drop of.

3. Outside Managers - No club or county can have a manager/couch/trainer from outside that club/county. Will not totally eradicate the brown envelopes but will definitely reduce the mercenaries. If a club/county can not genuinely get a inside man then they make there case to the county board/Croke Park. It will encourage more underage managers in clubs/counties because they believe if they can prove themselves there is really a chance of stepping up.

4. Club Transfers - With the improving roads and transport links no transfer will be considered for adult players that are within 80 miles of the players home clubs unless like a transfer currently within in a county the club the player is leaving signs it. Any adult player is only entitled to one transfer in a lifetime thus meaning they cannot return to there own club they started with when the cash cow of the big clubs dry up or age catches up with them.( This does not apply to international transfers ).

5. America - Anyone who decides to go to play in the states for a summer cannot play club or county football in Ireland until January of the follow year. Might stop players going for the dollar for 2 months then back in September for club championship. People will argue about the students. They can still go earn there summer money but that comes at a cost with no club to fall back to. It might be harsh on some but will stop lads announcing the morning after the county is beat they are gone and wont hang around for the qualifiers.

A lot of people will probably think these are bullsh*t ideas but I just feel the whole association needs to try something different.

Holy fcuk..You really have very little time for peopleís personal liberty or freedom donít you?

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 04, 2018, 08:49:36 PM »
Were there not a few clubs in Dublin offering decent culchies a few quid to play for them??

But sure thatís nothing really to do with it in respect.

The best intercounty players generate income, millions a year, thatís why the game will go pro in the next few years.

So where does that income of millions go ? And what is it being used for? Some buck eejits on here

Goes to games development, improving stadia, salaries of staff.

Got to ask-  if Iím the buck eejit then why am I having to explain this to you?

So out of all that whatís left?

If the game goes pro it will work like all other pro sport, clubs will get cash fundraise and through club subs. And the elite teams will have to raise money through gate receipts, sponsors and tv and offer the best players contracts.

The GAA are a far less important organization as they havenít as many responsibilities to run every aspect of  the entire sport. County boards similarly run clubs but wonít have county teams to watch out for anymore.

The most important people in GAA these days are the best intercounty players. Without them thereís no full stadiums or tv deals. The organization will form in what ever direction they want it to go.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 04, 2018, 07:59:25 PM »
Were there not a few clubs in Dublin offering decent culchies a few quid to play for them??

But sure thatís nothing really to do with it in respect.

The best intercounty players generate income, millions a year, thatís why the game will go pro in the next few years.

So where does that income of millions go ? And what is it being used for? Some buck eejits on here

Goes to games development, improving stadia, salaries of staff.

Got to ask-  if Iím the buck eejit then why am I having to explain this to you?


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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 04, 2018, 07:52:55 PM »
a professional GAA is never going to happen

Why?

Revenue.
Exactly -money isn't there for it.
32 football teams and say top 16 hurling teams = 1,440 professional players who'd have to get about Ä70k each to make it worte their while giving up work for 10 years  = about Ä10m on wages.
Add in managers, coaches trainers, administrators,  bottle carriers,  tea ladies etc probably  Ä2m more.
Insurance,travel,....

There wonít be that many of teams. Nothing near. 10-12 teams in football.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 04, 2018, 07:51:43 PM »
Were there not a few clubs in Dublin offering decent culchies a few quid to play for them??

But sure thatís nothing really to do with it in respect.

The best intercounty players generate income, millions a year, thatís why the game will go pro in the next few years.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 04, 2018, 07:42:17 PM »
a professional GAA is never going to happen

Why?

Revenue

Also the fact that most of the administration is done voluntary...

You can say ďrevenueĒ but I donít understand what thatís meant to mean.

You happen to know what the county game is worth to the GAA in gate receipts, tv revenue and sponsorship?

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GAA Discussion / Re: PAY-FOR-PLAY
« on: October 04, 2018, 07:18:42 PM »
a professional GAA is never going to happen

Why?

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