Time to open a new thread for the replay as the other one has turned into nonsense.
Lookit, for the great Dublin lads on here we know how ye feel after that game. The same happened to us last year and the feeling is shit and some of our own supporters after both games last year got a wee bit OTT.
The last game is done and dusted and with a better ref the next day I fancy a better match where both teams can show their potential.
Obviously I now think we have the upper hand but the Dubs will not be as bad again. Too close to call.
Any thoughts?
Hallelujah.
Honestly think the winners of the replay will be better set up for the final a fortnight later. Great momentum to bring into a big game.
Philly McMahon is a big fat bollix.
I expect Mayo to be better but I'm not sure about Dublin.
I think Dublin will need to try something a bit different this time around. There's been a lot of talk about the strength of our panel but essentially Gavin sends out the same team each day. I'd like to see him try to unsettle that Mayo defence with perhaps Fenton to full forward for a time or Jack McCaffrey at CHF. Something like Mayo tried in 2013 with Keith Higgins
Depends on the recovery. Still can't make up my mind whether the game will bring Dublin on or if its the end of this particular group. The optimist in me says it'll bring us on and because we have better forwards we'll win the next time but there's a nagging doubt in my mind that we will still be too focussed on Mayo and set up to counter balance them rather than trusting our guys to go and win the game. Though you could say that from a Dublin perspective it worked reasonably well until the penalty decision in the 70th minute.
Also if Connolly's suspension is upheld it will mean at least one change to the front 6 - so do we start Alan or McManamon or Brady?
Still lots to look forward to but I hope that the underlying nastiness that was there from the outset has been put to bed and both teams try to win the game rather than not lose it
If we can summon the superhero powers of Aidan and get a ref that dismisses Cillian away when's he's doing his job we may have a chance
I think the advantage is with Mayo now. If the game is tight the old Dublin doubts will creep in after throwing away a big lead last week and the fact that Mayo were effectively out of the championship after 62 minutes of the game will see them play with a bit more freedom this Saturday. Much oin the same way as Kerry went into last years semi final replay having looked dead and buried in the first match. Connolly will be a big blow for Dublin and all of a suddne Dublin look to have a threadbare squad. Dublin have a second rate midfield and if Mayo can put pressure on Cluxton again we've seen what can happen, Dublin can disintegrate. One or two of the Mayo forwards are going to have to up their game however rather than simply relying on O'Connor to keep them in the game with dead balls.
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I think the advantage is with Mayo now. If the game is tight the old Dublin doubts will creep in after throwing away a big lead last week and the fact that Mayo were effectively out of the championship after 62 minutes of the game will see them play with a bit more freedom this Saturday. Much oin the same way as Kerry went into last years semi final replay having looked dead and buried in the first match. Connolly will be a big blow for Dublin and all of a suddne Dublin look to have a threadbare squad. Dublin have a second rate midfield and if Mayo can put pressure on Cluxton again we've seen what can happen, Dublin can disintegrate. One or two of the Mayo forwards are going to have to up their game however rather than simply relying on O'Connor to keep them in the game with dead balls.
I'd agree. The Dubs have some superb footballers, but the squad, even the first 15 is littered with average enough players. Rock, average enough in open play, O'Sullivan, meh, McMahon, unless he has backup as he's an accident waiting to happen one on one. The players coming in off the bench, with the exception of K McM don't strengthen the team imo. Added to this the current form of Flynn and the absence of Connolly. Cluxton had a fair dose of the jitters himself and if you wobble this man, you wobble Dublin. If Mayo do open up (which is a risk in itself), will the mollycoddled Dubs have the heart for it?
In saying all that, its all on the day, Dublin could click and go to town on Mayo, though the last 10 mins will give the men from the West great heart on Sat. I for one canny wait for it.
Mayo by 1
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Mayo by 1
Paramedics jamboree in Ballina this weekend.
How many stitches did he get again?
Yeah, I feel we have a slight advantage after yesterday's game although I felt the same after last years SF as well so......
You have to expect our forwards can't be as bad again, some of the wides we kicked yesterday were criminal. The fact that we finished stronger yesterday should stand to us although there are going to be tired legs all round with just a 6-day turnaround.
Doc and McLoughlin in particular need to play better the next day, we need a couple of points each from both of them if we're to win
Why don't Mayo just go out all guns blazing from an attacking point of view instead of being so cautious?
Last year when they went gung-ho v Kerry they turned a 5 point deficit to a 5 point lead with 14 men, and made up a 7 pt deficit v Dublin doing the same.
Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2015, 12:08:23 PM
How many stitches did he get again?
Have you broken an hour for the 5k yet ?
Quote from: blanketattack on September 01, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Why don't Mayo just go out all guns blazing from an attacking point of view instead of being so cautious?
Last year when they went gung-ho v Kerry they turned a 5 point deficit to a 5 point lead with 14 men, and made up a 7 pt deficit v Dublin doing the same.
Fear of conceding a rake of goals
Actually on that point, Kevin McM was straight through on goal on Sunday and opted for a point rather than bursting the net, it's not like him
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Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2015, 12:08:23 PM
How many stitches did he get again?
Have you broken an hour for the 5k yet ?
Down to 22mins now INDIANA thanks for asking.
Did you ever use some of yer dole money to sponsor me for the Marathon?
Quote from: blanketattack on September 01, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Why don't Mayo just go out all guns blazing from an attacking point of view instead of being so cautious?
Last year when they went gung-ho v Kerry they turned a 5 point deficit to a 5 point lead with 14 men, and made up a 7 pt deficit v Dublin doing the same.
They tried that against Dublin in 2013, and withered like old men in the 2nd half. The first 20-25 mins of that game were as frantic as anything I've seen.
Problem they have is that if early all-out attack doesn't build up the necessary advantage, and Higgins, Boyle, Keegan and O'Loughlin blow up, then the replacements are a huge drop in quality.
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Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2015, 12:08:23 PM
How many stitches did he get again?
Have you broken an hour for the 5k yet ?
Down to 22mins now INDIANA thanks for asking.
Did you ever use some of yer dole money to sponsor me for the Marathon?
No I was going to sponsor some of the 60 year olds I know who can run faster then you
In terms of return on investment I'm getting more bang for my buck
Keep the running updates coming though it's always good for a laugh on a Monday morning
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Quote from: laoislad on September 01, 2015, 12:08:23 PM
How many stitches did he get again?
Have you broken an hour for the 5k yet ?
Down to 22mins now INDIANA thanks for asking.
Did you ever use some of yer dole money to sponsor me for the Marathon?
No I was going to sponsor some of the 60 year olds I know who can run faster then you
In terms of return on investment I'm getting more bang for my buck
Keep the running updates coming though it's always good for a laugh on a Monday morning
Will do.
You seem very tense and wound up.Maybe you should get out of your bedsit and go for a run youself.
Does wonders for ones state of mind.
You can thank me later.
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor bastard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
It depends what part of his eye the wound is. The stitches will likely be due to come out around 5-7 days after the incident so the wound will be extremely tender. Therefore he will require some form of dressing to enable him to play which may affect his vision. I'd say he is very doubtful myself and even if he plays he won't be in top condition.
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Quote from: blanketattack on September 01, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Why don't Mayo just go out all guns blazing from an attacking point of view instead of being so cautious?
Last year when they went gung-ho v Kerry they turned a 5 point deficit to a 5 point lead with 14 men, and made up a 7 pt deficit v Dublin doing the same.
They tried that against Dublin in 2013, and withered like old men in the 2nd half. The first 20-25 mins of that game were as frantic as anything I've seen.
Problem they have is that if early all-out attack doesn't build up the necessary advantage, and Higgins, Boyle, Keegan and O'Loughlin blow up, then the replacements are a huge drop in quality.
Ok, but they should do it for certain periods e.g. last 15 min before half time.
Also they should have done a basketball style attack the last day near the end. They were essentially playing v 13 with Alan Brogan dead man walking, so they should gave passed around until time was nearly up and then engineer space for a final shot. It means the whistle goes after the shot regardless of success or not. Should have been very achievable with 2 exta men.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 01, 2015, 02:23:11 PM
Also they should have done a basketball style attack the last day near the end. They were essentially playing v 13 with Alan Brogan dead man walking, so they should gave passed around until time was nearly up and then engineer space for a final shot. It means the whistle goes after the shot regardless of success or not. Should have been very achievable with 2 exta men.
I'm surprised we don't see more of that in football. You can see it a bit more in rugby union where teams grind their way into position and spurn chances because they know there's more time left on the clock, but it's still not as common as you might expect. Given that it is very common in rugby league, where the one point score for a drop goal is pretty much designed with a tied game in mind, I'd guess (based on no evidence whatsoever) that we haven't had set amounts for added time for long enough in either football or rugby union for it to become A Thing. The manager that pulls it off in football is going to be hailed as the greatest strategist since Hannibal - and the one who gets caught on the counter attack will be Paullus/Varro.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 12:09:18 PM
Yeah, I feel we have a slight advantage after yesterday's game although I felt the same after last years SF as well so......
You have to expect our forwards can't be as bad again, some of the wides we kicked yesterday were criminal. The fact that we finished stronger yesterday should stand to us although there are going to be tired legs all round with just a 6-day turnaround.
Doc and McLoughlin in particular need to play better the next day, we need a couple of points each from both of them if we're to win
Your forwards were just as bad against us in the 1/4 final when under little pressure.
Lads, lets not turn this thread into a nasty anti-Dublin thread, the other one is still open.
O Carroll will be back and he's looking forward to it and to see his good friend Cillian "sly" O Connor.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 12:09:18 PM
Yeah, I feel we have a slight advantage after yesterday's game although I felt the same after last years SF as well so......
You have to expect our forwards can't be as bad again, some of the wides we kicked yesterday were criminal. The fact that we finished stronger yesterday should stand to us although there are going to be tired legs all round with just a 6-day turnaround.
Doc and McLoughlin in particular need to play better the next day, we need a couple of points each from both of them if we're to win
Your forwards were just as bad against us in the 1/4 final when under little pressure.
Wrong. Doherty scored 3 points from play and McLoughlin 2 (i think). Some horrible misses in second half against Donegal (under no pressure) yes but nowhere near as bad as the last day. If those 2 lads and Cillian don't improve their shooting the next day we will fall short again. I'm expecting a big improvement in that area.
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Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
O'Connor's discipline would have to be questioned in big games, sent off in last year's replay with Kerry and should also have seen the line against Donegal in 2012 after throwing two digs at Thompson and McGee.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 01, 2015, 03:56:58 PM
O'Connor's discipline would have to be questioned in big games, sent off in last year's replay with Kerry and should also have seen the line against Donegal in 2012 after throwing two digs at Thompson and McGee.
Very true, worse offender than Philly and Connolly, the refs will have to keep a close eye on him.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
Then what happened?
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 01, 2015, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
That's the video is seen as well ???
up until the point Connolly threw the punch its should have been a yellow card each, with both of them equally at it.
Connolly's is a nailed on red card, I don't know how anyone can argue different
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
That's the video is seen as well ???
up until the point Connolly threw the punch its should have been a yellow card each, with both of them equally at it.
Connolly's is a nailed on red card, I don't know how anyone can argue different
IMO Keegan should have seen black but Connolly red was the right call, can't see how it could be overturned
The big man is back for the game on Saturday after completing his 1-year ban
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
That's the video is seen as well ???
up until the point Connolly threw the punch its should have been a yellow card each, with both of them equally at it.
Connolly's is a nailed on red card, I don't know how anyone can argue different
IMO Keegan should have seen black but Connolly red was the right call, can't see how it could be overturned
Agree with this. But I said the same about Kevin Keane's red! :-\
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Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
That's the video is seen as well ???
up until the point Connolly threw the punch its should have been a yellow card each, with both of them equally at it.
Connolly's is a nailed on red card, I don't know how anyone can argue different
IMO Keegan should have seen black but Connolly red was the right call, can't see how it could be overturned
Agree with this. But I said the same about Kevin Keane's red! :-\
I think he got off on a technicality
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
That's the video is seen as well ???
up until the point Connolly threw the punch its should have been a yellow card each, with both of them equally at it.
Connolly's is a nailed on red card, I don't know how anyone can argue different
IMO Keegan should have seen black but Connolly red was the right call, can't see how it could be overturned
Agree with this. But I said the same about Kevin Keane's red! :-\
I think he got off on a technicality
From a report I read, his red was downgraded to a yellow which would rule out a technicality?
Listen, nobody is facing retrospective action so let that be the end to them debates! So please leave that discussion behind. Keegan started at Connolly but it wasn't a red card offense (black card IMO) and Connolly lost his head and clearly punched him can't see how he'll get off but they're appealing it anyway so you never know. Terrible game in all honesty lots of cynical shite and stuff off the ball, impossible game to ref but MqCuillan didn't do a good job at all. Hopefully the replay will be a better (cleaner) game, but can we end the debates about who should and shouldn't have been sent off because noone is facing retrospective action so that's that.
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Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
That's the video is seen as well ???
up until the point Connolly threw the punch its should have been a yellow card each, with both of them equally at it.
Connolly's is a nailed on red card, I don't know how anyone can argue different
IMO Keegan should have seen black but Connolly red was the right call, can't see how it could be overturned
Agree with this. But I said the same about Kevin Keane's red! :-\
I think he got off on a technicality
From a report I read, his red was downgraded to a yellow which would rule out a technicality?
Oh I thought he got off because the ref described what he did to get sent off incorrectly? Maybe not
Ah jaysis lads will ye learn how to use the quote function...!
Missed last year's semi final replay. Mayo lost. Missing this year's semi finalreplay :'(
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 01, 2015, 04:33:49 PM
The big man is back for the game on Saturday after completing his 1-year ban
(http://www.independent.ie/incoming/article30551641.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/907180_2.jpg)
I hope I'm not sitting beside that beast on Saturday ............
1 change for Mayo on Saturday ? Tough guy Vaughan ?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 01, 2015, 04:33:49 PM
The big man is back for the game on Saturday after completing his 1-year ban
(http://www.independent.ie/incoming/article30551641.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/907180_2.jpg)
Seen him at the Donegal game. He's been to most Mayo games this year. So much for the ban. Impossible to police.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2015, 04:53:18 PM
Missed last year's semi final replay. Mayo lost. Missing this year's semi finalreplay :'(
Did you pick up an injury?
Donal Vaughan out for the replay
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2015, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 01, 2015, 04:33:49 PM
The big man is back for the game on Saturday after completing his 1-year ban
(http://www.independent.ie/incoming/article30551641.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/907180_2.jpg)
Seen him at the Donegal game. He's been to most Mayo games this year. So much for the ban. Impossible to police.
LOL-I saw him in Castlebar when I was back a few months ago and asked someone if he had been seen....and yes he's been seen at several Mayo matches....Maybe Connolly can use that in his appeal
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2015, 04:53:18 PM
Missed last year's semi final replay. Mayo lost. Missing this year's semi finalreplay :'(
Was at last year's semi final replay. Mayo lost. Wont miss this year's semi final replay (and it will make shag all difference to the result).
We are only observers, what we do, what we think, what we hope for, make no difference to the result. Maybe if a couple of thousand of us did not turn up the Mayo team would feel more intimidated by the opposition fans, but otherwise we have no influence on a stand alone basis.
The scramble for tickets at Croke park yesterday for the Dublin v Mayo match got me thinking how can we get genuine GAA fans into a social network where they can sell, buy and swap tickets safely without paying over the odds prices to touts. I know we already have toutless.com but anyone can join this group and then if you have a ticket to sell or swap you can advertise it here and then use private message with other members looking for tickets to say where you are and how much you want for the ticket. A lot of people at every match end up going into the stadium with spare tickets in their pocket that they couldn't get rid of. When selling tickets you have to make a judgement call of course is this person going to the game themselves or going to sell the ticket on for profit.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
Keegan punches him first . When you slow it down you see it. I can't see how Dermo won't get off unless they upgrade Keegan to a red card which would be a fair outcome .
Jesus the dub supporters do more crying than the Tyrone men
Serious concerns over Rory's participation I'm hearing. Vomiting in dressing room afterwards so if its a concussion as well as the stitches it's not looking good considering that he's said that after what happened in 2013 he'd stop playing if he got another one
Quote from: Declan on September 01, 2015, 06:52:01 PM
Serious concerns over Rory's participation I'm hearing. Vomiting in dressing room afterwards so if its a concussion as well as the stitches it's not looking good considering that he's said that after what happened in 2013 he'd stop playing if he got another one
No chance he plays, a big loss but I'd like to see a big man such as Bastick put on Aidan, I think basically Mayo will try the same tactic again of hold their energy reserves and lob the ball into him and hope he draws the free on the smaller men, I'd have a ball winner in on him to challenge this
Fenton and Cian to midfield and keep McCauley until later in the game
Connolly and OCarroll are huge losses
I'm not a huge fan of Philly, but he held him scoreless, so I'd say he'll go on him again - I'd say though both of them will be watched like hawks.
Quote from: Declan on September 01, 2015, 06:52:01 PM
Serious concerns over Rory's participation I'm hearing. Vomiting in dressing room afterwards so if its a concussion as well as the stitches it's not looking good considering that he's said that after what happened in 2013 he'd stop playing if he got another one
Absolutely disgraceful that a guy gets seriously injured. caught on camera and the GAA do nothing.
If there is any justice Connolly will get off
The O'Carroll incident had nothing to do with the Connolly incident.
That's serious moral equivalence there Indiana - having seen the Connolly Keegan incident I'd say the fairest result was both of them getting a red. Whatever happened to Rory (and for the record, I do think COC has a case to answer) I don't think anyone wants a disciplinary system where two separate incidents have any effect on the judgement of each. That's just an eye for an eye, the system is messed up enough as it is.
Quote from: easytiger95 on September 01, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
That's serious moral equivalence there Indiana - having seen the Connolly Keegan incident I'd say the fairest result was both of them getting a red. Whatever happened to Rory (and for the record, I do think COC has a case to answer) I don't think anyone wants a disciplinary system where two separate incidents have any effect on the judgement of each. That's just an eye for an eye, the system is messed up enough as it is.
I can't understand how Keegan didn't get a red. He clearly strikes when you slow it down.
He should be upgraded in my view
Quote from: INDIANA on September 01, 2015, 07:26:25 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 01, 2015, 06:52:01 PM
Serious concerns over Rory's participation I'm hearing. Vomiting in dressing room afterwards so if its a concussion as well as the stitches it's not looking good considering that he's said that after what happened in 2013 he'd stop playing if he got another one
Absolutely disgraceful that a guy gets seriously injured. caught on camera and the GAA do nothing.
If there is any justice Connolly will get off
If there's any justice he won't get off.
Anyone looking for justice should not be playing sport.
Aidan is a bit like Donaghy in that he'll win 90% of ball lobbed in on top of him. Kerry usually have someone running off his shoulder though. If Mayo can get a bit of support around the big man they would make hay.
Quote from: Declan on September 01, 2015, 06:52:01 PM
Serious concerns over Rory's participation I'm hearing. Vomiting in dressing room afterwards so if its a concussion as well as the stitches it's not looking good considering that he's said that after what happened in 2013 he'd stop playing if he got another one
Not nice to hear that, hope he's ok
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 01, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 01, 2015, 01:48:35 PM
Will O'Carroll be back for this match??
How would he be? FFS COC took the head off the poor b**tard with a forearm smash Conor McGregor would have been proud of.
I'd assume so, glass man must surely be able to recover in a week
Did you see the thump that O'Carroll got? It was shown on the Sunday Game. Cillian O'Connor swung his arm back with force as was clear from the way O'Carroll's head went back. Without a doubt that was a red card offence. And no amount of soft-soaping will make it otherwise.
As for Keegan and Connolly the video clip shown on the Sunday Game clearly shows that the first assault was made by Keegan when he to checked Connolly's run. That started a scuffle during which Keegan head locked Connolly and they both fell to the ground. While on the ground Keegan continued to hold Connolly in the headlock.
You do know the difference between a thump and a flailing arm?
There must be an alternate video doing the rounds for these incidents because the ones I've seen have ROC grabbing COC who gestured to the umpire/linesman and accidentally catches ROC.
The other has keegan and DC grappling each other to the ground after Keegan checked DC with a push, after which DC throws a clear punch, which COC roars at the linesman about.
That's the video is seen as well ???
up until the point Connolly threw the punch its should have been a yellow card each, with both of them equally at it.
Connolly's is a nailed on red card, I don't know how anyone can argue different
IMO Keegan should have seen black but Connolly red was the right call, can't see how it could be overturned
I agree with this. I was supporting Dublin and am a big fan of DC but I can't see where an overturning of the red card comes from
As a Mayoman I'd much prefer Connolly playing. Last year Keegan was redeemed at the last minute for the replay but made no impact in the match. It's difficult to prepare for a game if your mind is on an appeal up to late on Thurs.
Will Dublin start Rock? Or Alan Brogan (who looked dazed at the end of the game). Bastick looks to be in better form than McCauley though neither might last a game. All the talk has been of Dublin's reserve strength but this is mainly in the forward line and many players have looked well coming into games when weak opposition was already flagging. Personally, in the absence of Connolly, I would start McManamon and Brogan - leaving Rock out. But where would they find an impact sub.Was Costello even togged last Sunday.
As for Mayo. In the absence of Vaughan, Durkan must surely start...or is Cunniffe ready for action. If Cunniffe plays would we replace Drake with Durkan. Drakev did little wrong but made no impact. Do we hold big Barry and Andy again for when legs begin to tire. Definitely feel that we played our best football when we had three inside forwards.
Like last year...a completely new game. Kinsella will be card happy at the start and discipline will be fierce important again. I don't expect a huge change of tactics from either side. The team that can adapt on the day will win.
Best of luck to our lads. They owe us nothing but they owe themselves another tilt at Sam. Despite all the nonsense in the last thread the crack and banter at a Dublin game beats almost anything (hammering Galway is still hugely enjoyable!). Dubs have a fine team. Best of luck to both and here's hoping that there are no serious injuries.
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Serious concerns over Rory's participation I'm hearing. Vomiting in dressing room afterwards so if its a concussion as well as the stitches it's not looking good considering that he's said that after what happened in 2013 he'd stop playing if he got another one
Absolutely disgraceful that a guy gets seriously injured. caught on camera and the GAA do nothing.
If there is any justice Connolly will get off
If there's any justice he won't get off.
Best of luck with Cake and the muppet
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I can't see how Dermo won't get off unless they upgrade Keegan to a red card which would be a fair outcome .
On what basis can you not see how Connolly won't get off? Leaving aside what Keegan did or didn't do to provoke it (and yes he clearly targeted DC for the majority of the game) -> it was a clear punch/strike, no? I really don't see how that can be overturned.
In saying that from a neutral perspective it's a shame as would like to see both teams at full strength going at it again.
If O Carroll is out as well they are 2 major losses for Dublin.
Will Gavin start Bastick around the middle? I reckon Dublin would have won it if he hadn't got the black card.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2015, 09:51:14 PM
Will Gavin start Bastick around the middle? I reckon Dublin would have won it if he hadn't got the black card.
I agree with that. Dublin collapsed around the middle when he was carded. Had no physicality in that area then. I thought Fenton had a bad game myself. He wasted a lot of ball.
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I can't see how Dermo won't get off unless they upgrade Keegan to a red card which would be a fair outcome .
On what basis can you not see how Connolly won't get off? Leaving aside what Keegan did or didn't do to provoke it (and yes he clearly targeted DC for the majority of the game) -> it was a clear punch/strike, no? I really don't see how that can be overturned.
In saying that from a neutral perspective it's a shame as would like to see both teams at full strength going at it again.
If O Carroll is out as well they are 2 major losses for Dublin.
On the basis of he punched him
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I can't see how Dermo won't get off unless they upgrade Keegan to a red card which would be a fair outcome .
On what basis can you not see how Connolly won't get off? Leaving aside what Keegan did or didn't do to provoke it (and yes he clearly targeted DC for the majority of the game) -> it was a clear punch/strike, no? I really don't see how that can be overturned.
In saying that from a neutral perspective it's a shame as would like to see both teams at full strength going at it again.
If O Carroll is out as well they are 2 major losses for Dublin.
On the basis of he punched him
Yes. Exactly my point. I'm asking him why he cannot see Connolly
not getting off even though it was a clear punch.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 01, 2015, 05:43:04 PM
The scramble for tickets at Croke park yesterday for the Dublin v Mayo match got me thinking how can we get genuine GAA fans into a social network where they can sell, buy and swap tickets safely without paying over the odds prices to touts. I know we already have toutless.com but anyone can join this group and then if you have a ticket to sell or swap you can advertise it here and then use private message with other members looking for tickets to say where you are and how much you want for the ticket. A lot of people at every match end up going into the stadium with spare tickets in their pocket that they couldn't get rid of. When selling tickets you have to make a judgement call of course is this person going to the game themselves or going to sell the ticket on for profit.
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Great idea, should be that tickets can only be sold or bought for at cost
Hadn't come across Drake before Sunday. Would he generally be regarded as a forward, midfielder or defender?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 01, 2015, 09:51:14 PM
Will Gavin start Bastick around the middle? I reckon Dublin would have won it if he hadn't got the black card.
I'd have imagined so.
Pat and Noel getting off lightly in my book, they must be delighted the Dubs have taken all the attention.
Quote from: Hound on September 01, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
Hadn't come across Drake before Sunday. Would he generally be regarded as a forward, midfielder or defender?
Wing back under Horan in the league. Saw him playing midfield for Ballaghadereen in the club championship earlier in the summer. Wasn't in the 26 for the Donegal game. Didn't see that decision to start him coming.
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I can't see how Dermo won't get off unless they upgrade Keegan to a red card which would be a fair outcome .
On what basis can you not see how Connolly won't get off? Leaving aside what Keegan did or didn't do to provoke it (and yes he clearly targeted DC for the majority of the game) -> it was a clear punch/strike, no? I really don't see how that can be overturned.
In saying that from a neutral perspective it's a shame as would like to see both teams at full strength going at it again.
If O Carroll is out as well they are 2 major losses for Dublin.
On the basis of he punched him
Should O'Connor have got a red card for his deliberate strike on O'Carroll?
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Hadn't come across Drake before Sunday. Would he generally be regarded as a forward, midfielder or defender?
Wing back under Horan in the league. Saw him playing midfield for Ballaghadereen in the club championship earlier in the summer. Wasn't in the 26 for the Donegal game. Didn't see that decision to start him coming.
Maybe his brother in law swayed the management.
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I can't see how Dermo won't get off unless they upgrade Keegan to a red card which would be a fair outcome .
On what basis can you not see how Connolly won't get off? Leaving aside what Keegan did or didn't do to provoke it (and yes he clearly targeted DC for the majority of the game) -> it was a clear punch/strike, no? I really don't see how that can be overturned.
In saying that from a neutral perspective it's a shame as would like to see both teams at full strength going at it again.
If O Carroll is out as well they are 2 major losses for Dublin.
On the basis of he punched him
Yes. Exactly my point. I'm asking him why he cannot see Connolly not getting off even though it was a clear punch.
That's worded quite confusingly I thought you were saying on what basis would he not get off, like saying how do you think he won't get off
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I can't see how Dermo won't get off unless they upgrade Keegan to a red card which would be a fair outcome .
On what basis can you not see how Connolly won't get off? Leaving aside what Keegan did or didn't do to provoke it (and yes he clearly targeted DC for the majority of the game) -> it was a clear punch/strike, no? I really don't see how that can be overturned.
In saying that from a neutral perspective it's a shame as would like to see both teams at full strength going at it again.
If O Carroll is out as well they are 2 major losses for Dublin.
On the basis of he punched him
Should O'Connor have got a red card for his deliberate strike on O'Carroll?
Seeing as there never was a deliberate strike on O'Carroll... I'd say no but if you want to go there, there was a raft of possible black and red cards
Charlie Redmond interview
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Good man Charlie adding fuel to the fire.
When will ye dubs realise that all this moaning is playing right into our hands? There is a danger that yer lads could get so wound up come Saturday ye will forget to play ball.
Carry on though.
Quote from: highorlow on September 01, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
Good man Charlie adding fuel to the fire.
When will ye dubs realise that all this moaning is playing right into our hands? There is a danger that yer lads could get so wound up come Saturday ye will forget to play ball.
Carry on though.
What hands ? This isn't the final . You're not going to beat Kerry either way and neither are we . So enjoy your little moment at the weekend when we are missing 3-4 key players and claim it as a win
Watched the game back a few minutes ago and it was a very poor standard . Littered with bad passes, poor shooting and some awful hand passing
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 01, 2015, 11:17:35 PM
Charlie Redmond interview
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Charlie Redmond is The Aristocrat!!!
Completely unbiased opinion from Charlie; right!
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Charlie Redmond interview
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Thanks for that Squire. I dunno. It has become very nasty indeed when you get likes of Charlie getting so het up on a local station.
I agree with him about the umpires at the game. However he might have mentioned those umpires early negligence in not helping out McQuillan when O Carroll and particularly Cooper were committing fouls off the ball. Cooper could have been red-carded for foul on D O Connor. But if umpires had balls he would have been already on a yellow at that stage and Dublin would have been down to 14 at ht. The go at McStay and suggesting he should be got rid of was daft. He was ranting at that stage.
I would have expected a more reflective approach from a former player of his stature and a man of his maturity and experience but - like some of the Dublin posters on here - he appears to feel that stoking up resentment (he was playing for a Dublin audience) is the way to go.
I came on here to express how things might go tactically and what changes Mayo in particular might make. But there's no point.
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Quote from: highorlow on September 01, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
Good man Charlie adding fuel to the fire.
When will ye dubs realise that all this moaning is playing right into our hands? There is a danger that yer lads could get so wound up come Saturday ye will forget to play ball.
Carry on though.
What hands ? This isn't the final . You're not going to beat Kerry either way and neither are we . So enjoy your little moment at the weekend when we are missing 3-4 key players and claim it as a win
Watched the game back a few minutes ago and it was a very poor standard . Littered with bad passes, poor shooting and some awful hand passing
Agree. I was disappointed with a lot of our performance the last day and not optimistic about the replay. I understand what our management were trying to do but it maybe worked 60%. I think ye will be playing Kerry and ye will have a 50/50 chance on the day.
Our best chance was to steal it the last day and with a bit more composure we would have. But Hennelly was rash on last kick-out, Andy carried into traffic and before that Mikey Sweeney telegraphed a kick into a block. That was the game imo.
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Thanks for that Squire. I dunno. It has become very nasty indeed when you get likes of Charlie getting so het up on a local station.
I agree with him about the umpires at the game. However he might have mentioned those umpires early negligence in not helping out McQuillan when O Carroll and particularly Cooper were committing fouls off the ball. Cooper could have been red-carded for foul on D O Connor. But if umpires had balls he would have been already on a yellow at that stage and Dublin would have been down to 14 at ht. The go at McStay and suggesting he should be got rid of was daft. He was ranting at that stage.
I would have expected a more reflective approach from a former player of his stature and a man of his maturity and experience but - like some of the Dublin posters on here - he appears to feel that stoking up resentment (he was playing for a Dublin audience) is the way to go.
I came on here to express how things might go tactically and what changes Mayo in particular might make. But there's no point.
Charlie is a clown Moy, no point analysing what he has to say. Embarrassing stuff.
This talk of what lad should have been black carded, yellow carded etc is tiresome. I thought Murph on second captains summed it up nicely. It was an absorbing, full throttle game of football played at full pelt. The physicality was brilliant to see close up. Yes some players stepped over the mark (mainly dubs but some Mayo lads too) but take that physicality out of the game and you're left with sanitised shite.
Keegan is a stirrer no doubt but he was cute and in no way should have been sent off. Connolly was frustrated from being cleaned by him yet again (as predicted) and he had a brain fart. Cooper was doing much worse to McLoughlin all day but Kev kept his head, not easy, but he did it. It affected his game but at least he didn't do something stupid to get sent off.
As for the next day. I'd love to see us go at Dublin and play our natural game from the start but that takes a lot of energy and I think we could start cagey enough again. Dublin would love to play their natural game too but both teams have massive (begrudging) respect for each other so they can't take too many risks either.
I'd say we will push up on Cluxtons kick outs earlier and better next day. If Dublin don't have a new plan to counteract this and if our forwards improve even marginally then I think we'll win. Some Dublin lads have suggested moving O'Sullivan to midfield. If Gavin tries something a little bolder like that and it works then Dublin may have an advantage.
It's too close to call confidently yet again. I know I'm dying to watch these two go at it again and play against their first real competition of the year. I wish we could just enjoy the contest more and stop bitching about the cards. This is real sport and a proper contest, it puts any other sport I watched at the weekend in the hay penny place.
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Hadn't come across Drake before Sunday. Would he generally be regarded as a forward, midfielder or defender?
Wing back under Horan in the league. Saw him playing midfield for Ballaghadereen in the club championship earlier in the summer. Wasn't in the 26 for the Donegal game. Didn't see that decision to start him coming.
Maybe his brother in law swayed the management.
He was always a forward at underage and played there for Mayo minors in 2008. Has since been converted to a half back and sometimes midfielder at club level where his pace and athleticism are more useful. Has been 'going well in training' as the saying goes but was surprised/shocked to see him make his debut on a day like Sunday
Just listened to Charlie.Jesus christ almighty what planet is he on.Would have expected more from him being an ex county man
Was mostly right in what he said.
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Hadn't come across Drake before Sunday. Would he generally be regarded as a forward, midfielder or defender?
Wing back under Horan in the league. Saw him playing midfield for Ballaghadereen in the club championship earlier in the summer. Wasn't in the 26 for the Donegal game. Didn't see that decision to start him coming.
Maybe his brother in law swayed the management.
He was always a forward at underage and played there for Mayo minors in 2008. Has since been converted to a half back and sometimes midfielder at club level where his pace and athleticism are more useful. Has been 'going well in training' as the saying goes but was surprised/shocked to see him make his debut on a day like Sunday
Drake can play, no doubt about it but I think maybe H&C might have over analysed it there.
I'd give McLoughlin the Drake role for replay. More experience and better radar for playing the game from back to front and picking passes and runs. His positioning the last day rendered him ineffective for us. he played off the point of Aidan and Cillian inside. The set up didn t do any of them justice.
What to do? Dillon seems to be a gonner or otherwise he would have been used. Ideally we need 2 Andy Morans - one to start and one to finish! Can he do 70 and is he more important starting or finishing? Can we trust Freeman to start again? Play him beside Aidan with COC playing a bit deeper? Conroy is gone and Mikey Sweeney blew a great chance. Ronalson would appear to be a better option so don t know what's happening there.
You'd imagine using Andy Moran off the bench for impact again would be the way to go.
He seems to always make an impact when he comes on. Probably better to have him there at the finish? I wouldn't be as sure if any other forward subs having the same impact when introduced.
Moran usually does well but I thought he was poor enough initially. Missed some handy scores n should have squared the ball for a goal.
Mayo team to face Dublin
1. David Clarke; 2. Ger Cafferkey, 3. Donal Vaughan, 4. Keith Higgins; 5. Lee Keegan, 6. Chris Barrett, 7. Colm Boyle; 8. Séamus O'Shea, 9. Tom Parsons; 10. Diarmuid O'Connor, 11. Aidan O'Shea, 12. Kevin McLoughlin; 13. Barry Moran, 14. Cillian O'Connor, 15. Jason Doherty, 16. Eddie Kinsella
I hear also Aidan O Shea needed counselling this week, waking up in the middle of night after nightmares of waking up naked in Ballymun.
Charlie Redmond 100% right.
Pictures going around of Keegan on top of Connolly throwing a dig, upgraded red perhaps.
Hearing also O Connor will be given his very own whistle for the replay.
You heard wrong about AOS Aristo.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
Mayo team to face Dublin
1. David Clarke; 2. Ger Cafferkey, 3. Donal Vaughan, 4. Keith Higgins; 5. Lee Keegan, 6. Chris Barrett, 7. Colm Boyle; 8. Séamus O'Shea, 9. Tom Parsons; 10. Diarmuid O'Connor, 11. Aidan O'Shea, 12. Kevin McLoughlin; 13. Barry Moran, 14. Cillian O'Connor, 15. Jason Doherty, 16. Eddie Kinsella
I hear also Aidan O Shea needed counselling this week, waking up in the middle of night after nightmares of waking up naked in Ballymun.
Charlie Redmond 100% right.
Pictures going around of Keegan on top of Connolly throwing a dig, upgraded red perhaps.
Hearing also O Connor will be given his very own whistle for the replay.
Is this from the same place you're hearing that Dublin Co board are going after O'Connor, or the same place you heard AoS gouged someone, or the same place that you heard Connolly is definitely getting off. Ur Dublin lads have great sources.
Remember there was a lad on here a few years ago who claimed his cousin saw Messi or someone at United on transfer deadline day. That lad is blushing :-[
Whelan was on OTB last nite, very reasoned response and admitted that it is different when players from ur own county are involved because you know them. Seems like a sound buck
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 02, 2015, 08:50:06 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 08:44:22 AM
Mayo team to face Dublin
1. David Clarke; 2. Ger Cafferkey, 3. Donal Vaughan, 4. Keith Higgins; 5. Lee Keegan, 6. Chris Barrett, 7. Colm Boyle; 8. Séamus O'Shea, 9. Tom Parsons; 10. Diarmuid O'Connor, 11. Aidan O'Shea, 12. Kevin McLoughlin; 13. Barry Moran, 14. Cillian O'Connor, 15. Jason Doherty, 16. Eddie Kinsella
I hear also Aidan O Shea needed counselling this week, waking up in the middle of night after nightmares of waking up naked in Ballymun.
Charlie Redmond 100% right.
Pictures going around of Keegan on top of Connolly throwing a dig, upgraded red perhaps.
Hearing also O Connor will be given his very own whistle for the replay.
Is this from the same place you're hearing that Dublin Co board are going after O'Connor, or the same place you heard AoS gouged someone, or the same place that you heard Connolly is definitely getting off. Ur Dublin lads have great sources.
Remember there was a lad on here a few years ago who claimed his cousin saw Messi or someone at United on transfer deadline day. That lad is blushing :-[
Never heard of him.
Just wondering though, seriously now, will the officials be cracking down on Mayo's vicious off the ball attacks and verbal abuse? Will they be in the media telling more lies before the game.
Its all lining up for a cracker lads but be hard for Dublin to compete against 16 men, the media and the whole country.
But seriously lads best of luck, Im away from today so I wont be annoying you guys anymore, flying back in Saturday and then flying back out, cost me a fortune, Such is life being part of the best supporters in the country.
Do you promise you're away?
You've threatened that a few times but to no avail ;D
You commuting from your home planet aristocrat?
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QuoteHas been 'going well in training' as the saying goes but was surprised/shocked to see him make his debut on a day like Sunday
Drake has massive pace and is a good tackler, probably the main reasons for inclusion, i.e. to stop the maccarthy and maccaffery runs. Thought he should have shot at one stage but perhaps it would have been a difficult one to convert for his first championship point, other than that he have a great game all things considered.
Anyone else think Mickey Sweeney is worth starting in the forwards the next day? His speed in there will free space up for O'Shea, I'd have him inside with O'Shea making runs off the ball and stretching Dublin's sweeper.
Very funny lads, you just cant handle the truth when its put to you. Deiseach, I like that Ancient Aliens programme, some truth in it. ;)
All I want is for unbiased analysis and for the officiating to come down hard on Mayo's violent contact during matches.
Ok, Final final prediction: Score: Mayo 2-18 Dublin 0-09, Free Count, Mayo 42 Dublin 4 , Card count, Mayo 0, Dublin 12, Violent conduct count Mayo 14 Dublin 3, Starting players on the field count Mayo 16 Dublin 15.
Enjoy the game lads.
Quote from: maigheo on September 02, 2015, 01:02:53 AM
Just listened to Charlie.Jesus christ almighty what planet is he on.Would have expected more from him being an ex county man
Gave an alternate viewpoint to the tsunami of anti Dublin bile over the last few days.
Anyway, a King Canute effort given the amount of Kildare and Kerry journos etc tripping over themselves to put the boot in.
QuoteWhelan was on OTB last nite, very reasoned response and admitted that it is different when players from ur own county are involved because you know them. Seems like a sound buck
+1 Here's the interview - http://www.newstalk.com/ciaran-whelan-on-dublin-mayo-fallout (http://www.newstalk.com/ciaran-whelan-on-dublin-mayo-fallout)
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:29:59 AM
All I want is for unbiased analysis
You don't see the irony in that comment?
There is another thread about the previous match.
I suggest the focus for this thread should be for the replay.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 02, 2015, 08:24:01 AM
Moran usually does well but I thought he was poor enough initially. Missed some handy scores n should have squared the ball for a goal.
Yeah, he messed up 1-2 but scored 0-2 after that so it was a mixed bag. Definitely better coming off the bench imo
Quote from: galwayman on September 02, 2015, 08:17:41 AM
You'd imagine using Andy Moran off the bench for impact again would be the way to go.
He seems to always make an impact when he comes on. Probably better to have him there at the finish? I wouldn't be as sure if any other forward subs having the same impact when introduced.
Would agree with that. Andy is so important to have on at the end of the game, he doesn't seem to have 70 mins in him anymore so I wouldn't start him next day.
I'd agree Moy. I think Kev Mc would be a great option to do what Drake did the last day. That game might bring David on but I think Mc would be a natural sweeper or link player though as he reads the game well. Boyler should be given a marking job, that's his strength and I'd leave him to concentrate on that.
I wouldn't start Mikey Sweeney, just don't think he has the composure at this level. Impact sub when the game opens up maybe but I'd have Freeman, Ronaldson, Dillon and Regan ahead of him. Dillon must be totally out of form, we really needed him the last day and he didn't get off the bench for second game in a row. Would feel much more confident if he could contribute the next day.
Quote from: Canalman on September 02, 2015, 09:34:30 AM
Quote from: maigheo on September 02, 2015, 01:02:53 AM
Just listened to Charlie.Jesus christ almighty what planet is he on.Would have expected more from him being an ex county man
Gave an alternate viewpoint to the tsunami of anti Dublin bile over the last few days.
Anyway, a King Canute effort given the amount of Kildare and Kerry journos etc tripping over themselves to put the boot in.
Jaysus that's an impressive complex Canalman :) The Tyrone lads must be agog with admiration at the Dublin lads on here this past week. Their paranoia is only in the ha'penny place :)
They've definitely taken the lead in the bag o' spuds title race ;D
QuoteI'd have Freeman
He failed to go in 100% for a 50/50 ball towards the end.
Quote from: highorlow on September 02, 2015, 10:01:46 AM
QuoteI'd have Freeman
He failed to go in 100% for a 50/50 ball towards the end.
I thought he did quite well when brought in over the last two games, I'd have him ahead of Mikey Sweeney. Sweeney's attempt that was blocked down was too obvious, you could see it happening. Apart from that, I don't remember him being involved. Freeman offers more imo when on form, but that is always the big risk with him, form.
We need to kick the ball dead at the least from our attacks the next day and need to be more accurate into AOS.
The 1st 3 points for Dublin were from turnovers and failed conversions by us. We were 1-3 to 1 down on minute 13. We won the remainder of the 1st half by 6 to 4.
Maybe the same team again is whats needed and just to tidy up on our attacks.
Quote from: highorlow on September 02, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
We need to kick the ball dead at the least from our attacks the next day and need to be more accurate into AOS.
The 1st 3 points for Dublin were from turnovers and failed conversions by us. We were 1-3 to 1 down on minute 13. We won the remainder of the 1st half by 6 to 4.
Maybe the same team again is whats needed and just to tidy up on our attacks.
We've been dropping balls short all year from inside 35m, wtf is the story with that?
Quote from: ballinaman on September 02, 2015, 09:02:01 AM
You commuting from your home planet aristocrat?
Probably lives in Portlaoise,there are millions of Dub hoors down there.
Quote from: laoislad on September 02, 2015, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 02, 2015, 09:02:01 AM
You commuting from your home planet aristocrat?
Probably lives in Portlaoise,there are millions of Dub hoors down there.
So he does live on another planet.
Quote from: laoislad on September 02, 2015, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 02, 2015, 09:02:01 AM
You commuting from your home planet aristocrat?
Probably lives in Portlaoise,there are millions of Dub hoors down there.
I don't no, I live in the Dublin city beside one of the biggest clubs in Dublin, by the way, the amount of country people in Dublin is unreal you can see it with the flags hanging out the windows etc, we will swap them back, how about that, then put a border fence.
Another image as emerged of Keegan striking Connolly, still frame, floating around social media, wonder if the officials will come down hard on his antics the next day.
QuoteWe've been dropping balls short all year for 30 years from inside 35m, wtf is the story with that?
Can't fathom it. Poor decision making. It will be sorted the next day.
I think we only conceded 1 points by allowing the short kick out in the first half, the rest of the Dubs scores were from counter attacks where we coughed up possession.
Is Evan Regan fit? We need someone inside instead of COC that is faster. COC is great in the HF line and will deliver better ball into AIDO. He is also a long range point scorer, he is wasted inside in the FF line.
Parsons is a poor kicker and SOS won't be as bad the next day.
Quote from: highorlow on September 02, 2015, 12:33:58 PM
QuoteWe've been dropping balls short all year for 30 years from inside 35m, wtf is the story with that?
Can't fathom it. Poor decision making. It will be sorted the next day.
I think we only conceded 1 points by allowing the short kick out in the first half, the rest of the Dubs scores were from counter attacks where we coughed up possession.
Is Evan Regan fit? We need someone inside instead of COC that is faster. COC is great in the HF line and will deliver better ball into AIDO. He is also a long range point scorer, he is wasted inside in the FF line.
Parsons is a poor kicker and SOS won't be as bad the next day.
not a lot of options for Mayo.
Regan - never played all year since injury in Killarney. Hard to see him coming in now.
Conroy - gone.
Sweeney/Ronaldson - too small and OK for Conacht maybe but found out against Dublin.
Dillon - too slow. He has lost the pace.
That leaves just Freman and Andy Moran.
backs are as bad.
If both Vaughan and Cunniffe out then only subs are..
Coen, Drake, Harrisson, Durkin - all untested at this level. I say that although Drake and Durcan did play the last day it's their first season and they're not even close yet to being a guaranteed sub never mind starters.
A couple of the Dub posters here have lost a lot of credibility. But the rest haven't. The supporters I met after the match were terrific. My little lad (6) was completely overcome with emotion by the end (the rollercoaster finish overloaded him) and some Dublin lads came over talking to him asking what was wrong. You just don't get that interaction against other counties, never mind at other sports.
Both sets of supporters will feel that there are many bad mistakes that can be easily ironed out for Saturday and both will be optimistic. But for us it is all about getting the right gameplay in place, from the start, and then selecting the personnel to deliver it. And that is easier said than done. Do we push up and start Andy? He consistently makes the biggest impact when introduced so I would rather hold him till later. I would consider starting Freeman personally.
If we are going for our running game as plan A, or joint plan A with the long ball, then Patrick Durkan must be worth a look. He carried very well when he came on. Keeper is a big call. Hennelly did nothing wrong and made two big saves when called upon. As an aside it seems tough on a keeper who makes a diving save, not to be able to touch the ball while on the ground. The 2nd goal came from this situation and something similar happened to Clarke against Donegal, although he conceded a free.
We need more forwards involved in open play though. Considering how physical the last day was I am not sure it is the place for a Mikey Sweeney type player, or even Alan Dillon. Holmes seems to like playing big men close to goal so I am guessing Freeman, although they could do something from left field like they did with Drake. Maybe Regan, or Danny Kirby considering the physicality?
We definitely need more from our half forward line in terms of attacking themselves and/or supporting AOS. But then they are kept busy chasing the runners the other direction.
Hopefully we are talking more about football after this one, I have a funny feeling though that this could be very close again. What odds on another draw?
QuoteMy little lad (6) was completely overcome with emotion by the end (the rollercoaster finish overloaded him) and some Dublin lads came over talking to him asking what was wrong. You just don't get that interaction against other counties, never mind at other sports.
I presume he was wearing the dubs colours muppet ;) ;)
Quote from: Declan on September 02, 2015, 04:15:49 PM
QuoteMy little lad (6) was completely overcome with emotion by the end (the rollercoaster finish overloaded him) and some Dublin lads came over talking to him asking what was wrong. You just don't get that interaction against other counties, never mind at other sports.
I presume he was wearing the dubs colours muppet ;) ;)
Full Mayo kit!
I still have influence.
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 02, 2015, 04:15:49 PM
QuoteMy little lad (6) was completely overcome with emotion by the end (the rollercoaster finish overloaded him) and some Dublin lads came over talking to him asking what was wrong. You just don't get that interaction against other counties, never mind at other sports.
I presume he was wearing the dubs colours muppet ;) ;)
Full Mayo kit!
I still have influence.
If it was Kerry supporters they'd have bought him chips
http://www.joe.ie/sport/pic-a-kind-gesture-by-a-kerry-fan-to-a-young-dublin-fan-at-croke-park-on-sunday/506919
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=e-fTHFSjkPU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=e-fTHFSjkPU)
This was Cassidy's after the match. Somehow Shane Lowry was in the middle of it. Looks like great craic.
Quote
Full Mayo kit!
I still have influence.
Wouldn't expect anything less!!!
Aidan O'Shea is a fantastic player but he can't do it all on his own. He needs support and he rarely got any on Sunday. Of mayo are to win they need to address this. As a Dublin supporter I hope they don't mind. FWIW, outside if all the shite I thought McMAhon did a good job on Aidan
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 12:31:01 PM
I don't no, I live in the Dublin city beside one of the biggest clubs in Dublin
Coppers? The booze would explain your inability to make anything approaching a logical statement.
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2015, 05:05:34 PM
Aidan O'Shea is a fantastic player but he can't do it all on his own. He needs support and he rarely got any on Sunday. Of mayo are to win they need to address this. As a Dublin supporter I hope they don't mind. FWIW, outside if all the shite I thought McMAhon did a good job on Aidan
He did an excellent job marking him and even before O'Carroll went off it was Philly picking up Aidan and O'Carroll picking up Cillian so I would imagine if everyone is fit that will be how they will start the next day.
I think we might be better able to link our attacks by delaying the long ball into Aidan and leaving one of our half forward line in a more advanced position. Cillian will need to stay closer to Aidan as well to give him an option after he catches the ball and Aidan cannot just put the head down and try and beat the 2 or 3 Dubs that will surround him!!
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 02, 2015, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 02, 2015, 05:05:34 PM
Aidan O'Shea is a fantastic player but he can't do it all on his own. He needs support and he rarely got any on Sunday. Of mayo are to win they need to address this. As a Dublin supporter I hope they don't mind. FWIW, outside if all the shite I thought McMAhon did a good job on Aidan
He did an excellent job marking him and even before O'Carroll went off it was Philly picking up Aidan and O'Carroll picking up Cillian so I would imagine if everyone is fit that will be how they will start the next day.
I think we might be better able to link our attacks by delaying the long ball into Aidan and leaving one of our half forward line in a more advanced position. Cillian will need to stay closer to Aidan as well to give him an option after he catches the ball and Aidan cannot just put the head down and try and beat the 2 or 3 Dubs that will surround him!!
McMahon had two guys with him at all times when AOS got the ball. And even then it looked ropey at times, He didn't do well at all I thought. If he gets caught in anything approaching space with AOS they only thing he can do is foul.
Liability to my eyes, if AOS didn't react to the Kung fu he was trying on Sunday he's unlikely to do it on Saturday either.
Any word on Cunniffe?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057485708&page=15 (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057485708&page=15)
Chaos with the tickets apparently. Some people got multiple copies of their tickets.
QuoteQuote:
Originally Posted by mdwexford View Post
Just got my tickets delivered.
Got two envelopes with the exact same two tickets inside, strange.
I got 3 envelopes... so a real set and two identical copies of each. Gonna be chaos.
QuoteOriginally Posted by PARlance View Post
There are going to be some very serious issues on Saturday.
I've just received my four tickets for the Hill, they came with 8 replicas... same ticket numbers etc. There will be uproar and worse case... a serious overcrowding incident.
For their own sake the CCCC need uphold Diarmuid Connollys red because after Keane getting off if he gets off its getting towards the stage where they have to let everyone off
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 06:29:08 PM
For their own sake the CCCC need uphold Diarmuid Connollys red because after Keane getting off if he gets off its getting towards the stage where they have to let everyone off
Get real lad, double standards
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 02, 2015, 06:24:57 PM
Any word on Cunniffe?
I think he is doubtful
With Vaughan out aswell were getting short on numbers and options back there.Id imagine Durcan will replace Vaughan and Barrett will keep his place.Id play Mc Loughlin as the sweeper and start either Regan or Freeman alongside Aiden.Andy must be kept as the impact sub he lifts the crowd and the team when hes brought in.
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 02, 2015, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 02, 2015, 06:24:57 PM
Any word on Cunniffe?
I think he is doubtful
With Vaughan out aswell were getting short on numbers and options back there.Id imagine Durcan will replace Vaughan and Barrett will keep his place.Id play Mc Loughlin as the sweeper and start either Regan or Freeman alongside Aiden.Andy must be kept as the impact sub he lifts the crowd and the team when hes brought in.
Do ye really have the luxury of leaving Andy on the bench? Half of the starting forwards were totally anonymous attacking or defending on Sunday.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2015, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 02, 2015, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 02, 2015, 06:24:57 PM
Any word on Cunniffe?
I think he is doubtful
With Vaughan out aswell were getting short on numbers and options back there.Id imagine Durcan will replace Vaughan and Barrett will keep his place.Id play Mc Loughlin as the sweeper and start either Regan or Freeman alongside Aiden.Andy must be kept as the impact sub he lifts the crowd and the team when hes brought in.
Do ye really have the luxury of leaving Andy on the bench? Half of the starting forwards were totally anonymous attacking or defending on Sunday.
I think we do.I dont think Andy has a full 70 mins in him.Freeman and Regan would be more natural forwards so i would start 1 and use Mc Loughlin as the sweeper.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2015, 07:48:19 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 02, 2015, 06:59:01 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 02, 2015, 06:24:57 PM
Any word on Cunniffe?
I think he is doubtful
With Vaughan out aswell were getting short on numbers and options back there.Id imagine Durcan will replace Vaughan and Barrett will keep his place.Id play Mc Loughlin as the sweeper and start either Regan or Freeman alongside Aiden.Andy must be kept as the impact sub he lifts the crowd and the team when hes brought in.
Do ye really have the luxury of leaving Andy on the bench? Half of the starting forwards were totally anonymous attacking or defending on Sunday.
Hard to know the answer to that one.
Maybe start him, drop Doherty and keep him for second half along with Freeman.
Although the match is perfectly set for Freeman.
Could be his redemption or the finish of his career.
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Brutal picture in today's Connacht telegraph showing Connolly shoving Diarmuid O'Connors head into the ground. Happened before he got sent off.
Do ye really have the luxury of leaving Andy on the bench? Half of the starting forwards were totally anonymous attacking or defending on Sunday.
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Hard to know the answer to that one.
Maybe start him, drop Doherty and keep him for second half along with Freeman.
Although the match is perfectly set for Freeman.
Could be his redemption or the finish of his career.
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I dont think we can start dropping Doherty.Massive workrate and usually good for a point or two.Could we play Doherty closer to goal hes a brilliant finisher?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2015, 06:32:05 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 06:29:08 PM
For their own sake the CCCC need uphold Diarmuid Connollys red because after Keane getting off if he gets off its getting towards the stage where they have to let everyone off
Get real lad, double standards
How? Kevin Keanes red shouldn't have been overturned and Diarmuid Connollys red shouldn't be
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Like Cillian's dig on Connolly when he was lying on the ground. Careful what you wish for
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Brutal picture in today's Connacht telegraph showing Connolly shoving Diarmuid O'Connors head into the ground. Happened before he got sent off.
Can see it here.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/1048076/
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2015, 06:32:05 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 06:29:08 PM
For their own sake the CCCC need uphold Diarmuid Connollys red because after Keane getting off if he gets off its getting towards the stage where they have to let everyone off
Get real lad, double standards
How? Kevin Keanes red shouldn't have been overturned and Diarmuid Connollys red shouldn't be
Not to worry - even if Diarmuid's appeal fails he'll still be available for the final.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Like Cillian's dig on Connolly when he was lying on the ground. Careful what you wish for
Have you seen the gif above? ;D ;D ;D ;D There is as much chance of you and me getting banned for Saturday as there is for Cillian O'Connor.
'Dig'?
'Gouge'??
'11 stitches'???
It is so desperate at this stage it is comedy gold.
I see Aslan have been lined up to play before throw in. That'll get the Hill in full voice.
Terrible bias, GAA display their anti-Mayo agenda etc etc
Quote from: Tubberman on September 02, 2015, 09:06:03 PM
I see Aslan have been lined up to play before throw in. That'll get the Hill in full voice.
Terrible bias, GAA display their anti-Mayo agenda etc etc
How can i protect you in this crazy world.
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 04:10:55 PM
A couple of the Dub posters here have lost a lot of credibility. But the rest haven't. The supporters I met after the match were terrific. My little lad (6) was completely overcome with emotion by the end (the rollercoaster finish overloaded him) and some Dublin lads came over talking to him asking what was wrong. You just don't get that interaction against other counties, never mind at other sports.
Sorry muppet but that's just a load of balls.
Whatever about other sports but to say you wouldn't get that from someone from another county is nonsense.
That's only feeding into this notion that Dublin fans are the best supporters in Ireland. A notion promoted by Dublin fans themselves ::)
Like fcuk they are. You take out the boo boys,day trippers,sunshine followers and all them and you are left with a hardcore of good fans the same as you would get in any other county,no different no better.And yes you get all the above with other counties also before anyone has a canary.
Anyway that young lad of yours was probably only crying because he realised you were going to force him into wearing a Mayo jersey again next Saturday :)
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Like Cillian's dig on Connolly when he was lying on the ground. Careful what you wish for
Have you seen the gif above? ;D ;D ;D ;D There is as much chance of you and me getting banned for Saturday as there is for Cillian O'Connor.
'Dig'?
'Gouge'??
'11 stitches'???
It is so desperate at this stage it is comedy gold.
Ha ha we'll see how funny it is when you're pointing you car up the N17 on Saturday evening singing "what's another year"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vccwzuttIQY
I think that both teams have room for improvement, it's the one who improves more that will win obviously. I'm afraid that Dublin will have built up a siege mentality after the bad press they've got all week and they will come out all guns blazing once again. If Mayo play like they did for most of the game last week, then it's curtains. If however Mayo can stop Dublin getting early momentum, by pushing up on Cluxton's kickouts (that might not be enough if Bastick is starting) then it'll make it interesting to say the least.
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Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 04:10:55 PM
A couple of the Dub posters here have lost a lot of credibility. But the rest haven't. The supporters I met after the match were terrific. My little lad (6) was completely overcome with emotion by the end (the rollercoaster finish overloaded him) and some Dublin lads came over talking to him asking what was wrong. You just don't get that interaction against other counties, never mind at other sports.
Sorry muppet but that's just a load of balls.
Whatever about other sports but to say you wouldn't get that from someone from another county is nonsense.
That's only feeding into this notion that Dublin fans are the best supporters in Ireland. A notion promoted by Dublin fans themselves ::)
Like fcuk they are. You take out the boo boys,day trippers,sunshine followers and all them and you are left with a hardcore of good fans the same as you would get in any other county,no different no better.And yes you get all the above with other counties also before anyone has a canary.
Anyway that young lad of yours was probably only crying because he realised you were going to force him into wearing a Mayo jersey again next Saturday :)
I don't agree with you often but +100
Best I've seen this year were easily Fermanagh's supporters but most every county has a lot of good supporters when something similar could/would happen.
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Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Like Cillian's dig on Connolly when he was lying on the ground. Careful what you wish for
Have you seen the gif above? ;D ;D ;D ;D There is as much chance of you and me getting banned for Saturday as there is for Cillian O'Connor.
'Dig'?
'Gouge'??
'11 stitches'???
It is so desperate at this stage it is comedy gold.
Ha ha we'll see how funny it is when you're pointing you car up the N17 on Saturday evening singing "what's another year"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vccwzuttIQY
Once again a Dub proves he knows nothing about the Geography of Ireland. The N17 road is a national primary road in Ireland, and is part of the Atlantic Corridor route. It begins in County Galway and ends in County Sligo.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2015, 09:32:55 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 02, 2015, 09:23:40 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 04:10:55 PM
A couple of the Dub posters here have lost a lot of credibility. But the rest haven't. The supporters I met after the match were terrific. My little lad (6) was completely overcome with emotion by the end (the rollercoaster finish overloaded him) and some Dublin lads came over talking to him asking what was wrong. You just don't get that interaction against other counties, never mind at other sports.
Sorry muppet but that's just a load of balls.
Whatever about other sports but to say you wouldn't get that from someone from another county is nonsense.
That's only feeding into this notion that Dublin fans are the best supporters in Ireland. A notion promoted by Dublin fans themselves ::)
Like fcuk they are. You take out the boo boys,day trippers,sunshine followers and all them and you are left with a hardcore of good fans the same as you would get in any other county,no different no better.And yes you get all the above with other counties also before anyone has a canary.
Anyway that young lad of yours was probably only crying because he realised you were going to force him into wearing a Mayo jersey again next Saturday :)
I don't agree with you often but +100
Best I've seen this year were easily Fermanagh's supporters but most every county has a lot of good supporters when something similar could/would happen.
Maybe you should agree with me more often,it would mean you were right most of the time instead of always being wrong. ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2015, 09:35:54 PM
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Like Cillian's dig on Connolly when he was lying on the ground. Careful what you wish for
Have you seen the gif above? ;D ;D ;D ;D There is as much chance of you and me getting banned for Saturday as there is for Cillian O'Connor.
'Dig'?
'Gouge'??
'11 stitches'???
It is so desperate at this stage it is comedy gold.
Ha ha we'll see how funny it is when you're pointing you car up the N17 on Saturday evening singing "what's another year"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vccwzuttIQY
Once again a Dub proves he knows nothing about the Geography of Ireland. The N17 road is a national primary road in Ireland, and is part of the Atlantic Corridor route. It begins in County Galway and ends in County Sligo.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2015, 09:35:54 PM
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Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
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Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 02, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
Connolly 8/15 not to get off, 11/8 to get off.
There is a video doing the rounds showing Connolly nailing Diarmuid O'Connor as well. It is part of a compilation which is very biased in favour of the Mayo POV, but the clip with Connolly on DOC is unambiguous. There is just one protagonist. If the appeal board sees that, if anything the suspension might be increased.
Like Cillian's dig on Connolly when he was lying on the ground. Careful what you wish for
Have you seen the gif above? ;D ;D ;D ;D There is as much chance of you and me getting banned for Saturday as there is for Cillian O'Connor.
'Dig'?
'Gouge'??
'11 stitches'???
It is so desperate at this stage it is comedy gold.
Ha ha we'll see how funny it is when you're pointing you car up the N17 on Saturday evening singing "what's another year"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vccwzuttIQY
Once again a Dub proves he knows nothing about the Geography of Ireland. The N17 road is a national primary road in Ireland, and is part of the Atlantic Corridor route. It begins in County Galway and ends in County Sligo.
Not having the greatest time of it are you Indy.
And I wish I was on the N17, stone walls and the grass is green.. travelling with just my thoughts and dreams.
In other disciplinary news, both Dublin and Armagh have both been fined €6,500 after they lost their respective appeals for a charge of disruptive behaviour in a challenge match in June.
Quote from: muppet on September 02, 2015, 04:10:55 PM
A couple of the Dub posters here have lost a lot of credibility. But the rest haven't. The supporters I met after the match were terrific. My little lad (6) was completely overcome with emotion by the end (the rollercoaster finish overloaded him) and some Dublin lads came over talking to him asking what was wrong. You just don't get that interaction against other counties, never mind at other sports.
Both sets of supporters will feel that there are many bad mistakes that can be easily ironed out for Saturday and both will be optimistic. But for us it is all about getting the right gameplay in place, from the start, and then selecting the personnel to deliver it. And that is easier said than done. Do we push up and start Andy? He consistently makes the biggest impact when introduced so I would rather hold him till later. I would consider starting Freeman personally.
If we are going for our running game as plan A, or joint plan A with the long ball, then Patrick Durkan must be worth a look. He carried very well when he came on. Keeper is a big call. Hennelly did nothing wrong and made two big saves when called upon. As an aside it seems tough on a keeper who makes a diving save, not to be able to touch the ball while on the ground. The 2nd goal came from this situation and something similar happened to Clarke against Donegal, although he conceded a free.
We need more forwards involved in open play though. Considering how physical the last day was I am not sure it is the place for a Mikey Sweeney type player, or even Alan Dillon. Holmes seems to like playing big men close to goal so I am guessing Freeman, although they could do something from left field like they did with Drake. Maybe Regan, or Danny Kirby considering the physicality?
We definitely need more from our half forward line in terms of attacking themselves and/or supporting AOS. But then they are kept busy chasing the runners the other direction.
Hopefully we are talking more about football after this one, I have a funny feeling though that this could be very close again. What odds on another draw?
Hmmmm. He flipped at one high ball. Drilled one kick-out straight out to a Dub standing alone. His last kick-out was rash and could have cost the game. If he had gone short there was time to build through the hands with the extra man. Lacks composure afaic.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/pair-of-dublin-appeals-fail-ahead-of-connolly-case-694030.html
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
Going into the replay the dubs know what they have to do to win. If they can work hard on their defence to ensure no punching stamping pulling sledging snarling and biting they should concede less frees and therefore the win.
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/kevin-mcstay-dubs-have-some-big-calls-to-make-to-see-off-mayo-threat-31495664.html
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Agus your punching brigade ?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Punching his hand away trying to break free to continue his run and try to continue playing football, Keegan and O Connor attacked and assaulted Connolly off the ball, they got away with it, so should Connolly.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2015, 10:17:30 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Agus your punching brigade ?
What?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
McStay was openly a Dublin fan going back 30 years a stór.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
Did you hear him when Dublin were playing Kildare? He must have had a hard on any time Dublin did anything.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Punching his hand away trying to break free to continue his run and try to continue playing football, Keegan and O Connor attacked and assaulted Connolly off the ball, they got away with it, so should Connolly.
O'Connor didn't attack him, he pulled him off Keegan and started calling to the linesman, Keegan started at Connolly but it wasn't a red card offense, he got a yellow but I think it should have been a black. Lets just say hypothetically what you said was true, a punch is still a red card
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Punching his hand away trying to break free to continue his run and try to continue playing football, Keegan and O Connor attacked and assaulted Connolly off the ball, they got away with it, so should Connolly.
O'Connor didn't attack him, he pulled him off Keegan and started calling to the linesman, Keegan started at Connolly but it wasn't a red card offense, he got a yellow but I think it should have been a black. Lets just say hypothetically what you said was true, a punch is still a red card
I'm sure Kevin keane would agree. Ah wait now.....................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRhzRsAHQw
When's the Mayo team out?
Quote from: rrhf on September 02, 2015, 10:00:46 PM
Going into the replay the dubs know what they have to do to win. If they can work hard on their defence to ensure no punching stamping pulling sledging snarling and biting they should concede less frees and therefore the win.
They conceded frees to prevent scores from play and most likely a goal or two. Defenders at that level don't foul unless it is the best option.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 10:26:13 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Punching his hand away trying to break free to continue his run and try to continue playing football, Keegan and O Connor attacked and assaulted Connolly off the ball, they got away with it, so should Connolly.
O'Connor didn't attack him, he pulled him off Keegan and started calling to the linesman, Keegan started at Connolly but it wasn't a red card offense, he got a yellow but I think it should have been a black. Lets just say hypothetically what you said was true, a punch is still a red card
I'm sure Kevin keane would agree. Ah wait now.....................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRhzRsAHQw
He shouldn't have been let off... joke of a decision... doesn't mean Connolly should get off. By logic of Connolly should get off because Keane did, what happens the next time someone gets sent off for a punch? Should someone just get off because the person before him did?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:27:11 PM
When's the Mayo team out?
WhenO Shea been cleared by his counsellor to play.
Post Traumatic Nodding Head Syndrome is hard to shake off in a week
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 10:29:54 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:27:11 PM
When's the Mayo team out?
WhenO Shea been cleared by his counsellor to play.
Post Traumatic Nodding Head Syndrome is hard to shake off in a week
Happen you at one stage?
No but seriously, any idea what time the team should be out?
Quote from: Canalman on September 02, 2015, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Except of course when it is done by a Mayo player in 2015 or in slightly different circumstances in 2014.
Kevin Keanes red getting overturned was a joke of a decision but 2 wrongs don't make a right
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 02, 2015, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Except of course when it is done by a Mayo player in 2015 or in slightly different circumstances in 2014.
Kevin Keanes red getting overturned was a joke of a decision but 2 wrongs don't make a right
Easy to say that post the event my friend.
Mayo team named.
Drake named at #13. No change to team that started last week.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 02, 2015, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Except of course when it is done by a Mayo player in 2015 or in slightly different circumstances in 2014.
Kevin Keanes red getting overturned was a joke of a decision but 2 wrongs don't make a right
Easy to say that post the event my friend.
I said it at the time in 2014 &15 that neither Keane nor Keegan should have been let off
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2015, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
McStay was openly a Dublin fan going back 30 years a stór.
Eh, I wouldn't think he was a Dublin fan in 1985. Just a hunch mind.
Dermo the anger management kiddo is goner. Cheerio
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 02, 2015, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Except of course when it is done by a Mayo player in 2015 or in slightly different circumstances in 2014.
Kevin Keanes red getting overturned was a joke of a decision but 2 wrongs don't make a right
Keanes was an innocent Red Card. But a Red all the same. You cannot strike no matter how slight it is. You can't paint it any other way. The GAA have no standard anymore when it comes to Red Cards, especially with the powerful counties. I expect Connolly to be let off. In fairness he was a bit of a victim. For a now experienced player (who is now 28 and) he should have held his head. But like Keane he took the bate and now must sweat!
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA
Aye, disgraceful a bloke gets banned for punching an opponent.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA
Where'd you hear?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA.
It's going to the CAC. It's not over yet
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2015, 10:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 02, 2015, 10:32:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 02, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
A punch is a punch, a punch is a red card, it doesn't matter who started what, who did what, who should have been sent off or who else was let off - he punched him, its a red card offense, he shouldn't get off - accept that
Except of course when it is done by a Mayo player in 2015 or in slightly different circumstances in 2014.
Kevin Keanes red getting overturned was a joke of a decision but 2 wrongs don't make a right
Keanes was an innocent Red Card. But a Red all the same. You cannot strike no matter how slight it is. You can't paint it any other way. The GAA have no standard anymore when it comes to Red Cards, especially with the powerful counties. I expect Connolly to be let off. In fairness he was a bit of a victim. For a now experienced player (who is now 28 and) he should have held his head. But like Keane he took the bate and now must sweat!
I'm not painting over it, I said he shouldn't have been let off
I thought the hearing was tomorrow?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
Mayo team named.
Drake named at #13. No change to team that started last week.
Well you have to say H&C are consistent. They consistently name the same team they start in the previous game and they don't start the team that they name.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/diarmuid-connolly-to-miss-mayo-replay-after-rejected-appeal-694042.html
All over red rover for us now.
Eoghan o'Gara's loss really kicking in now imo.
Hope Mayo win it out now.
Still feel DC got harshly treated.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
Mayo team named.
Drake named at #13. No change to team that started last week.
Actually there is 1 change on the Mayo team, Eddie Kinsella for Joe Mcquillan
Quote from: Canalman on September 02, 2015, 10:49:57 PM
All over red rover for us now.
Eoghan o'Gara's loss really kicking in now imo.
Hope Mayo win it out now.
Still feel DC got harshly treated.
Is Alan Brogan out?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
Mayo team named.
Drake named at #13. No change to team that started last week.
Actually its 2 changes on the Mayo team, Eddie Kinsella for Joe Mcquillan
Dublin Joe was just overall suite on both sides
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
Mayo team named.
Drake named at #13. No change to team that started last week.
Actually its 2 changes on the Mayo team, Eddie Kinsella for Joe Mcquillan
3 Cillian O Connor got the nod over Eddie. It was felt appointing a Mayo player to ref would give us a fairer deal then a Laois ref. Which I'd imagine is true enough
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA
Looks like it alright.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html)
As for not a proper victory! Well we know all about a proper victory against us in Limerick last year. As I said before the victors get to write history. No one will remember DC was not playing if we win.
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 09:59:21 PM
Believe it or believe it not , the most bias human on the planet actually thinks Connolly should not be suspended for the replay writing in today's herald, he must have realised his bias errors on the Sunday game. What Mayo person wants a soft victory anyway with the best player in the country playing, other than superman of course. Kevin McStay closet Dubs fan?
McStay was openly a Dublin fan going back 30 years a stór.
Eh, I wouldn't think he was a Dublin fan in 1985. Just a hunch mind.
Yip he was. Interview before the 85 Leinster final he said that he wanted to play Dublin in semi because they were the glamour team in the game and team he always wanted to play against.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA.
It's going to the CAC. It's not over yet
And then the DRA after that if unsuccessful
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2015, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA
Looks like it alright.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html)
As for not a proper victory! Well we know all about a proper victory against us in Limerick last year. As I said before the victors get to write history. No one will remember DC was not playing if we win.
True but you still have to beat Kerry too after you dispense with us
Dublin will win.
Quote from: Bensars on September 02, 2015, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA.
It's going to the CAC. It's not over yet
And then the DRA after that if unsuccessful
Then the LOL
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2015, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA
Looks like it alright.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html)
As for not a proper victory! Well we know all about a proper victory against us in Limerick last year. As I said before the victors get to write history. No one will remember DC was not playing if we win.
Only messing with you man, of course it will, just disappointed that both teams won't be at full strength, it will be tough to beat Kerry for you lot now. We will have to rebuild next year and might not be back at this stage for a few years.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA.
It's going to the CAC. It's not over yet
You can take it as gospel therefore that it's NOT going to the CAC!!!
He has lost his appeal already , it over, he's out.
Connelly gone, OConnor and Keegan you pair of douches
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
Connelly gone, OConnor and Keegan you pair of douches
Is Connolly a douche?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 11:01:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2015, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA
Looks like it alright.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html)
As for not a proper victory! Well we know all about a proper victory against us in Limerick last year. As I said before the victors get to write history. No one will remember DC was not playing if we win.
Only messing with you man, of course it will, just disappointed that both teams won't be at full strength, it will be tough to beat Kerry for you lot now. We will have to rebuild next year and might not be back at this stage for a few years.
On the flip side if ye win nobody will know Dc did not play either as nobody remembers semi finals.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA.
It's going to the CAC. It's not over yet
You really have some great informants
Not sure this makes much difference. Talented and all as he is I don t think he has been great against us. Would have preferred if he got of. Resentment is a powerful motivation and if some of the stuff on here is anything to go by then the team will have it in spades. Maybe.
The Mayo team named can t start because Vaughan is deffo out. I d be surprised if Drake plays the same role but could start as a replacement for Vaughan. I thought Patrick Durkan was at home at this level the last day but I would hold him as impact. When the game gets stretched he could be sprung to drive on with his running ability. As I said before Kevin Mac would be better in the Drake role. I think we can assume that Regan and Dillon are not in the frame so I would go with Freeman inside with Aido and play O Connor deeper.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
Connelly gone, OConnor and Keegan you pair of douches
I know things here seem to have went mental since Sunday I can't see how you can find Connolly blameless after what he did and with his track-record. He's never been an angel. Deservedly banned, the only question is that more of these bans should be sticking rather than players getting off on loopholes and technicalities.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2015, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
Connelly gone, OConnor and Keegan you pair of douches
I know things here seem to have went mental since Sunday I can't see how you can find Connolly blameless after what he did and with his track-record. He's never been an angel. Deservedly banned, the only question is that more of these bans should be sticking rather than players getting off on loopholes and technicalities.
What's his track record got to do with Last Sunday. Nothing is the answer
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2015, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
Connelly gone, OConnor and Keegan you pair of douches
I know things here seem to have went mental since Sunday I can't see how you can find Connolly blameless after what he did and with his track-record. He's never been an angel. Deservedly banned, the only question is that more of these bans should be sticking rather than players getting off on loopholes and technicalities.
What's his track record got to do with Last Sunday. Nothing is the answer
If you don't think track-record plays into these things I dunno what to say. Frankie Dolan got a 48-week ban two years ago for a confrontation with Marty Duffy. If it was anyone else they'd have got a far shorter ban. Connolly had to be whiter than white or the organisation was going to come down on him like a ton of bricks.
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Not sure this makes much difference. Talented and all as he is I don t think he has been great against us. Would have preferred if he got of. Resentment is a powerful motivation and if some of the stuff on here is anything to go by then the team will have it in spades. Maybe.
The Mayo team named can t start because Vaughan is deffo out. I d be surprised if Drake plays the same role but could start as a replacement for Vaughan. I thought Patrick Durkan was at home at this level the last day but I would hold him as impact. When the game gets stretched he could be sprung to drive on with his running ability. As I said before Kevin Mac would be better in the Drake role. I think we can assume that Regan and Dillon are not in the frame so I would go with Freeman inside with Aido and play O Connor deeper.
If Vaughan is named in 26, but can't play then we're down a sub. Can't replace a player named in 26 unless it's a goalie I think? Seems a bit daft to limit ourselves like that for no gain.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2015, 11:26:15 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 02, 2015, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2015, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 02, 2015, 11:05:56 PM
Connelly gone, OConnor and Keegan you pair of douches
I know things here seem to have went mental since Sunday I can't see how you can find Connolly blameless after what he did and with his track-record. He's never been an angel. Deservedly banned, the only question is that more of these bans should be sticking rather than players getting off on loopholes and technicalities.
What's his track record got to do with Last Sunday. Nothing is the answer
If you don't think track-record plays into these things I dunno what to say. Frankie Dolan got a 48-week ban two years ago for a confrontation with Marty Duffy. If it was anyone else they'd have got a far shorter ban. Connolly had to be whiter than white or the organisation was going to come down on him like a ton of bricks.
He was sent off because of who he was. Nothing more . If that's another Dublin player it's a yellow. That's your refereeing standards- a joke
Quote from: Tubberman on September 02, 2015, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Not sure this makes much difference. Talented and all as he is I don t think he has been great against us. Would have preferred if he got of. Resentment is a powerful motivation and if some of the stuff on here is anything to go by then the team will have it in spades. Maybe.
The Mayo team named can t start because Vaughan is deffo out. I d be surprised if Drake plays the same role but could start as a replacement for Vaughan. I thought Patrick Durkan was at home at this level the last day but I would hold him as impact. When the game gets stretched he could be sprung to drive on with his running ability. As I said before Kevin Mac would be better in the Drake role. I think we can assume that Regan and Dillon are not in the frame so I would go with Freeman inside with Aido and play O Connor deeper.
If Vaughan is named in 26, but can't play then we're down a sub. Can't replace a player named in 26 unless it's a goalie I think? Seems a bit daft to limit ourselves like that for no gain.
Good point.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 02, 2015, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Not sure this makes much difference. Talented and all as he is I don t think he has been great against us. Would have preferred if he got of. Resentment is a powerful motivation and if some of the stuff on here is anything to go by then the team will have it in spades. Maybe.
The Mayo team named can t start because Vaughan is deffo out. I d be surprised if Drake plays the same role but could start as a replacement for Vaughan. I thought Patrick Durkan was at home at this level the last day but I would hold him as impact. When the game gets stretched he could be sprung to drive on with his running ability. As I said before Kevin Mac would be better in the Drake role. I think we can assume that Regan and Dillon are not in the frame so I would go with Freeman inside with Aido and play O Connor deeper.
If Vaughan is named in 26, but can't play then we're down a sub. Can't replace a player named in 26 unless it's a goalie I think? Seems a bit daft to limit ourselves like that for no gain.
That ll be team for the programme. The list produced by county secretary for match officials is what matters.
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2015, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 02, 2015, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Not sure this makes much difference. Talented and all as he is I don t think he has been great against us. Would have preferred if he got of. Resentment is a powerful motivation and if some of the stuff on here is anything to go by then the team will have it in spades. Maybe.
The Mayo team named can t start because Vaughan is deffo out. I d be surprised if Drake plays the same role but could start as a replacement for Vaughan. I thought Patrick Durkan was at home at this level the last day but I would hold him as impact. When the game gets stretched he could be sprung to drive on with his running ability. As I said before Kevin Mac would be better in the Drake role. I think we can assume that Regan and Dillon are not in the frame so I would go with Freeman inside with Aido and play O Connor deeper.
If Vaughan is named in 26, but can't play then we're down a sub. Can't replace a player named in 26 unless it's a goalie I think? Seems a bit daft to limit ourselves like that for no gain.
That ll be team for the programme. The list produced by county secretary for match officials is what matters.
Ah right, so 26 names given to croke park aren't actually published in advance?
Vaughan is out .............. Eddie Kinsella listed to start at 7 for Mayo ;)
Quote from: Tubberman on September 02, 2015, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2015, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 02, 2015, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 02, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Not sure this makes much difference. Talented and all as he is I don t think he has been great against us. Would have preferred if he got of. Resentment is a powerful motivation and if some of the stuff on here is anything to go by then the team will have it in spades. Maybe.
The Mayo team named can t start because Vaughan is deffo out. I d be surprised if Drake plays the same role but could start as a replacement for Vaughan. I thought Patrick Durkan was at home at this level the last day but I would hold him as impact. When the game gets stretched he could be sprung to drive on with his running ability. As I said before Kevin Mac would be better in the Drake role. I think we can assume that Regan and Dillon are not in the frame so I would go with Freeman inside with Aido and play O Connor deeper.
If Vaughan is named in 26, but can't play then we're down a sub. Can't replace a player named in 26 unless it's a goalie I think? Seems a bit daft to limit ourselves like that for no gain.
That ll be team for the programme. The list produced by county secretary for match officials is what matters.
Ah right, so 26 names given to croke park aren't actually published in advance?
Afaik no. You often find changes to starting 15 and subs before a game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2015, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 11:01:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 02, 2015, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 02, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Appeal unsuccessful. It won't be a proper victory for Mayo now. Corruption in the GAA
Looks like it alright.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-confirm-diarmuid-connollys-match-ban-31498247.html)
As for not a proper victory! Well we know all about a proper victory against us in Limerick last year. As I said before the victors get to write history. No one will remember DC was not playing if we win.
Only messing with you man, of course it will, just disappointed that both teams won't be at full strength, it will be tough to beat Kerry for you lot now. We will have to rebuild next year and might not be back at this stage for a few years.
On the flip side if ye win nobody will know Dc did not play either as nobody remembers semi finals.
Not for me, I can remember the Donegal semi 2011 as you know, and the semi v Kerry 2013, great game ever played. Think Mayo hold all the aces now and will by 4-6 points
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
If he's fit - he took an awful hit at the end of the game
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
With apologies to the other Dub posters........
Connolly goes missing against Mayo every time. Watch next Saturday and I bet any money you'll only see him if there is a fight. Fact! :D
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
Jees Moy you have it in for Hennelly. I am happy that we have two top keepers. Look at the Dubs, what would they do if Cluxton couldn't play?
If Connolly wasn't sent off he probably would have taken and scored that last free to win the game for Dublin last Sunday. Keegan and O Connor played a part in getting Connolly sent off however an experienced player like him should have known better not to react the way he did.
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Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
Jees Moy you have it in for Hennelly. I am happy that we have two top keepers. Look at the Dubs, what would they do if Cluxton couldn't play?
I don t have it in for Hennelly. Great shot stopper but sometimes he can be a bit rash. Loads of other Mayo's were dismayed by that last kick-out e.g. Still young for a Keeper but showing no signs of maturing in his decision making. High ball still a bit of concern.
Of course he's a fine keeper. At the level we re competing at everybody has to be one of the top players in their position/role.
Any other neutrals just starting to dislike all the top teams?
I'd kind of come to expect all-out cheating and cynicism from the likes of Kerry and Donegal but Dublin, who in 2013-14 at least seemed to be trying to have some principles, now turn out to be as bad if not worse than any of them. Mayo don't exactly have the moral high ground any more either after the Keane appeal and while it's hard to say for sure what COC's intent was, it's safe to say he doesn't regret splitting O'Carroll open and potentially ending his season.
I hate that if you point out that diving, trying to get off red cards on technicalities, trying to hurt/injure players on the ground is cheating, you're immediately told that you're horribly naive and the game at that level is about winning at all costs. Main thing is to have the AI medals in your pocket and any means justifies that end.
Problem with that logic is that if you take it to its conclusion, bribing a ref would be acceptable.
I'd just love to see a county in contention for the AI that stands for something beyond parochialism and winning at all costs. How good would it be to have a team that stands for something, like Barcelona in soccer.
Dublin seemed to have pretensions to be that county but what a joke that's turned out to be.
Moysider, i do not understand why you are going on about the last kick out.Mayo won possession from it and were driving up the field but Andy Moran lost the ball and the game ended soon after
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Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Quote from: maigheo on September 03, 2015, 03:13:34 AM
Moysider, i do not understand why you are going on about the last kick out.Mayo won possession from it and were driving up the field but Andy Moran lost the ball and the game ended soon after
I'm with Moysider on this one, Just because mayo won the kickout doesn't make it a good one. It was a hospital pass. He did something similar to Kevin Mc, where there was 20 yards open space in front of him and he gave a high ball, Kev got a very, very soft free for a push in the back. Doesn't make it a good kick out because we came away with the ball. We're at the top level here, one or two mistakes are ok but it's more than that with Hennelly and I really hope we have Clarke back the next day
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 03, 2015, 02:56:47 AM
Any other neutrals just starting to dislike all the top teams?
I'd kind of come to expect all-out cheating and cynicism from the likes of Kerry and Donegal but Dublin, who in 2013-14 at least seemed to be trying to have some principles, now turn out to be as bad if not worse than any of them. Mayo don't exactly have the moral high ground any more either after the Keane appeal and while it's hard to say for sure what COC's intent was, it's safe to say he doesn't regret splitting O'Carroll open and potentially ending his season.
I hate that if you point out that diving, trying to get off red cards on technicalities, trying to hurt/injure players on the ground is cheating, you're immediately told that you're horribly naive and the game at that level is about winning at all costs. Main thing is to have the AI medals in your pocket and any means justifies that end.
Problem with that logic is that if you take it to its conclusion, bribing a ref would be acceptable.
I'd just love to see a county in contention for the AI that stands for something beyond parochialism and winning at all costs. How good would it be to have a team that stands for something, like Barcelona in soccer.
Dublin seemed to have pretensions to be that county but what a joke that's turned out to be.
no, still Dublin and Tyrone.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:35:33 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2015, 08:07:37 AM
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Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Feckin hell horse but you have lost the plot altogether having a go at anyone with any sort of opinion.
You need to chill big time.
Anyway is ballinaman not a qualified Physiotherapist? From reading the running thread I'm pretty sure he is.
I reckon he knows what he's talking about so, wouldn't you??
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Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Feckin hell horse but you have lost the plot altogether having a go at anyone with any sort of opinion.
You need to chill big time.
Anyway is ballinaman not a qualified Physiotherapist? From reading the running thread I'm pretty sure he is.
I reckon he knows what he's talking about so, wouldn't you??
You don't understand how much Indiana knows - nobody can.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 03, 2015, 02:56:47 AM
Any other neutrals just starting to dislike all the top teams?
Tipperary are at the footballing gates. The living are going to envy the dead.
Oy!
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:35:33 AM
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Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Ballinaman is a qualified Physio who has worked with at least one intercounty set up recently as part of their medical team but sure that's the real world which doesn't really count in your make believe land of polishing imaginary All Ireland Medals , running the rule over all the top GAA journalists copy and of course steering the GAA disciplinary ship to the higher moral ground by advising the CCCC!!!!
Any qualified psychotherapists on this board for the Dubs?
But, but, but, anti Dublin bias! But, but, but, that's rugby! But but, but, how can I throw my toys out of the pram if you keep throwing all this "logic", "evidence" and "reason" at me?! But, but, but I want Dublin to win so nothing else matters!
Wise up Indiana.
Quote from: highorlow on September 03, 2015, 09:53:11 AM
Any qualified psychotherapists on this board for the Dubs?
Nah, just psychos.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:35:33 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2015, 08:07:37 AM
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Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Tell them Dr. Gary O'Driscoll, English Premier League doctors head, ex Lions and Irish rugby doc. Seemed to know what he was talking about.
Spoofer and a bullshitter
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 03, 2015, 09:56:18 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
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Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2015, 08:07:37 AM
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Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Tell them Dr. Gary O'Driscoll, English Premier League doctors head, ex Lions and Irish rugby doc. Seemed to know what he was talking about.
Spoofer and a bullshitter
;D
Quote from: Tubberman on September 03, 2015, 09:15:12 AM
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Feckin hell horse but you have lost the plot altogether having a go at anyone with any sort of opinion.
You need to chill big time.
Anyway is ballinaman not a qualified Physiotherapist? From reading the running thread I'm pretty sure he is.
I reckon he knows what he's talking about so, wouldn't you??
You don't understand how much Indiana knows - nobody can.
True because as we know, Indiana doesn't just know the known knowns, he knows the known unknowns and some even say he knows the unknown unknowns. It's cause he's in the know.
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True because as we know, Indiana doesn't just know the known knowns, he knows the known unknowns and some even say he knows the unknown unknowns. It's cause he's in the know.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
Did the same doctor who gave Rory O'Carroll "10 or 11 stitches" tell you that?
Worry about your own affairs Mayo buckos, your shameful false concern is putting Kerry in the shade, how's Vaughans shoulder
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 03, 2015, 10:29:20 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
Did the same doctor who gave Rory O'Carroll "10 or 11 stitches" tell you that?
Don't be so silly ffs. It was the lad who spoke to ROC and found out that O'Shea gouged him.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2015, 10:33:43 AM
Worry about your own affairs Mayo buckos, your shameful false concern is putting Kerry in the shade, how's Vaughans shoulder
The initial word out of the camp was he damaged his AC joint and would miss the replay , then it went quiet after that and then last night he was named on the starting 15?? So to be honest squire your guess is as good as mine as to whether he is fit to play on Sat!!
Hope we can regroup in some sort of state after the weekend. A good tilt at the centenary AI next year is a must. Will be some pressure on them to do it I think.
Moysider, why do you suggest that Evan regan is probably not under consideration? Has he played recent club championship games for ballina?
I think the reality is that we need to get a sharp quick forward up beside o'shea. An unknown like regan might be able to bring something different. Has he the physical strength to be able to handle himself against a very well conditioned dublin back line?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2015, 10:33:43 AM
Worry about your own affairs Mayo buckos, your shameful false concern is putting Kerry in the shade, how's Vaughans shoulder
Whats the story with O'Carroll and all the stitches he was supposed to require?
Did he get 12 stitches or not?
Quote from: Nihilist on September 03, 2015, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2015, 10:33:43 AM
Worry about your own affairs Mayo buckos, your shameful false concern is putting Kerry in the shade, how's Vaughans shoulder
Whats the story with O'Carroll and all the stitches he was supposed to require?
Did he get 12 stitches or not?
I'm sure it was the Sunday game that first mentioned the stitches???
Any if the Mayo lads know what way they will go about beating Kerry in the final? Should be a good game.
Quote from: gallsman on September 03, 2015, 09:56:03 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 03, 2015, 09:53:11 AM
Any qualified psychotherapists on this board for the Dubs?
Nah, just psychos.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Yeeehaw! You got it in one go!
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 11:06:47 AM
Any if the Mayo lads know what way they will go about beating Kerry in the final? Should be a good game.
I thought you were on holidays?
Is this your last post?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 03, 2015, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 11:06:47 AM
Any if the Mayo lads know what way they will go about beating Kerry in the final? Should be a good game.
I thought you were on holidays?
Is this your last post?
yes, once his mammy packs his trunki
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2015, 10:33:43 AM
how's Vaughans shoulder
I'd say we won't know that until 5pm Saturday evening. I doubt he'll start
Mayo lads I'm actually in Westport this weekend - golf weekend away - so won't make Croker. Any advise on a good hostelry that will welcome a durty dub? ;) ;)
Budget and location wise it's hard to beat the Wyatt, castlecourt is good also.
Waterside B&B down the quays does a savage breakfast
Quote from: Declan on September 03, 2015, 11:29:36 AM
Mayo lads I'm actually in Westport this weekend - golf weekend away - so won't make Croker. Any advise on a good hostelry that will welcome a durty dub? ;) ;)
All those culchies away in the big smoke. Admit it - you're casing the joint ;)
Quote from: Declan on September 03, 2015, 11:29:36 AM
Mayo lads I'm actually in Westport this weekend - golf weekend away - so won't make Croker. Any advise on a good hostelry that will welcome a durty dub? ;) ;)
Would the Golf Club not have a big screen?
Attack the post , not the poster, no need for name calling of myself or Indiana , I have not directly slagged off any poster on this site except maybe Teo Lurley.
It's a serious question, when the 16 men of Mayo beat Dublin by 8 or more points on Saturday, how will they deal with Kerry in the final? Wonder if mcquillen or Kinsella will start for Mayo?
Also , I heard O Connor got a brand new gold plated whistle for Saturday , anyone confirm ? Aidan superman o Shea is just finished his counselling sessions , no more philly mc nightmares, all the stars are aligning for Mayo now and its their all Ireland to lose.
QuoteWould the Golf Club not have a big screen?
Possibly but would rather be in town and have a few pints
QuoteAll those culchies away in the big smoke. Admit it - you're casing the joint ;)
Scurrilous deiseach ;)
Quote from: Declan on September 03, 2015, 11:29:36 AM
Mayo lads I'm actually in Westport this weekend - golf weekend away - so won't make Croker. Any advise on a good hostelry that will welcome a durty dub? ;) ;)
Morans on bridge street is good for a match. It's a small pub with a shop in the front. The telly will be small but I watch the Mayo v Tyrone game in there in '08 as well as a Dublin v Mayo league game in there once and there was always a good atmosphere.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 11:39:22 AM
Attack the post , not the poster, no need for name calling of myself or Indiana , I have not directly slagged off any poster on this site except maybe Teo Lurley.
It's a serious question, when the 16 men of Mayo beat Dublin by 8 or more points on Saturday, how will they deal with Kerry in the final? Wonder if mcquillen or Kinsella will start for Mayo?
Also , I heard O Connor got a brand new gold plated whistle for Saturday , anyone confirm ? Aidan superman o Shea is just finished his counselling sessions , no more philly mc nightmares, all the stars are aligning for Mayo now and its their all Ireland to lose.
You not away yet? You're a real tease with your promises.
Also do they do tin foil hats in dub colours? It's probably just you and Indiana need them but it would be good business for the hat and flag sellers if there are many more like you.
Very surprised Gardai etc didn't insist on a curtain raiser on Saturday. Would think that there will be delays in getting into CP so head in early all.
Hogan Stand and Canal Ends usually slower to get in to. Cusack stand no problems, Hill 16 lesser so.
Usual smartalec comments to follow.
Quote from: Canalman on September 03, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
Very surprised Gardai etc didn't insist on a curtain raiser on Saturday. Would think that there will be delays in getting into CP so head in early all.
Hogan Stand and Canal Ends usually slower to get in to. Cusack stand no problems, Hill 16 lesser so.
Usual smartalec comments to follow.
Ardfhear Canalman , go raibh maith agat.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 03, 2015, 12:31:51 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 03, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
Very surprised Gardai etc didn't insist on a curtain raiser on Saturday. Would think that there will be delays in getting into CP so head in early all.
Hogan Stand and Canal Ends usually slower to get in to. Cusack stand no problems, Hill 16 lesser so.
Usual smartalec comments to follow.
Ardfhear Canalman , go raibh maith agat.
Did we ever establish if they saved O'Carroll's eye??
Quote from: screenexile on September 03, 2015, 01:19:31 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 03, 2015, 12:31:51 PM
Quote from: Canalman on September 03, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
Very surprised Gardai etc didn't insist on a curtain raiser on Saturday. Would think that there will be delays in getting into CP so head in early all.
Hogan Stand and Canal Ends usually slower to get in to. Cusack stand no problems, Hill 16 lesser so.
Usual smartalec comments to follow.
Ardfhear Canalman , go raibh maith agat.
Did we ever establish if they saved O'Carroll's eye??
No - They've gone very quiet on that subject. Instead they have updated Cillian O'Connor as the ref and said Eddie Kinsella will be the 16th man for Mayo. Maybe they would prefer if there was no ref at all. Could justify their tactics then no problem.
A bit of a cliche but it'll boil down to whoever learns the most since the last day. Both teams will feel like they left it behind them and that they have plenty of room to improve.
Key things for Mayo to improve:
- Not giving away goal chances, I think Dublin scored from two of their three goal opportunities (McM pointed from the other)
- Getting more support to AOS
- Improving our passing, we had a couple of desperate passes straight to a Dublin player and at least two hail marys to AOS where he had no chance of winning it
- Not dropping shots short
- Not losing the head if the going gets rough
Key things for Dublin to improve:
- Discipline in the tackle
- Scoring more of the frees they get
- Not getting turned over
- Getting more ball to BB
- Not losing the head if the going gets rough
I think we'll put Keegan on KK to put him on the back foot, he was excellent in the first half the last day.
It will be interesting to see whether we change our strategy on their kickouts or not. I thought initially that we'd push up more on Saturday but as someone pointed out, we did ok up until we started kicking wides in the second half the last day so maybe we'll keep it tight to start with rather than playing loose and letting Dublin get up a head of steam. Then if we need to in the second half, we can go gung-ho if we're trailing.
Neither side have massive attacking options off the bench - we have Moran & Freeman while Dublin have Brogan and McM.
Tight one to call but I'll go with Mayo by 7 ;)
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 11:06:47 AM
Any if the Mayo lads know what way they will go about beating Kerry in the final? Should be a good game.
Sorry that was last years semi final replay. You'll have to learn to keep up with GAA matters.
Connolly up before CAC tonight, and if the suspension is upheld again they're likely to go before DRA tomorrow night:
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By John Fogarty
Diarmuid Connolly will return to Croke Park this evening to make his case to play in Saturday's All-Ireland semi-final replay against Mayo.
Connolly and Dublin yesterday evening made an unsuccessful bid in front of the Central Hearings Committee (CHC) to have his one-match ban rescinded.
Later, county officials will argue to the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) that the suspension should be thrown out.
The St Vincent's man was shown a straight red card by referee Joe McQuillan after he consulted with linesman Conor Lane about a tussle between Connolly and Mayo defender Lee Keegan, who was yellow carded as a result.
Dublin County Board chairman Sean Shanley told the Irish Examiner that they may look to pursue their challenge against Connolly's punishment to the Disputes Resolution Authority (DRA) if the CAC decide to uphold the CHC's decision. "It is a possibility, yes, if that happens," he said.
A convening of the DRA would then likely have to take place tomorrow evening in time for Connolly to be able to line out the following day.
Dublin are set to name Connolly in their starting 15 in the hope that he is freed to help take on Mayo at 5pm on Saturday.
However, doubts remain about the fitness of Rory O'Carroll after he sustained a serious cut to his head in an incident involving Cillian O'Connor in the third minute last Sunday.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/diarmuid-connolly-to-make-second-attempt-to-rescind-red-card-694162.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/diarmuid-connolly-to-make-second-attempt-to-rescind-red-card-694162.html)
Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
??? Could you point out this "hubris" when you get a chance?
Or are you just finding it a bit dull after your buddies outrage over the past couple of days seems to have worn them out?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 03, 2015, 04:39:12 PM
Connolly up before CAC tonight, and if the suspension is upheld again they're likely to go before DRA tomorrow night:
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By John Fogarty
Diarmuid Connolly will return to Croke Park this evening to make his case to play in Saturday's All-Ireland semi-final replay against Mayo.
Connolly and Dublin yesterday evening made an unsuccessful bid in front of the Central Hearings Committee (CHC) to have his one-match ban rescinded.
Later, county officials will argue to the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) that the suspension should be thrown out.
The St Vincent's man was shown a straight red card by referee Joe McQuillan after he consulted with linesman Conor Lane about a tussle between Connolly and Mayo defender Lee Keegan, who was yellow carded as a result.
Dublin County Board chairman Sean Shanley told the Irish Examiner that they may look to pursue their challenge against Connolly's punishment to the Disputes Resolution Authority (DRA) if the CAC decide to uphold the CHC's decision. "It is a possibility, yes, if that happens," he said.
A convening of the DRA would then likely have to take place tomorrow evening in time for Connolly to be able to line out the following day.
Dublin are set to name Connolly in their starting 15 in the hope that he is freed to help take on Mayo at 5pm on Saturday.
However, doubts remain about the fitness of Rory O'Carroll after he sustained a serious cut to his head in an incident involving Cillian O'Connor in the third minute last Sunday.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/diarmuid-connolly-to-make-second-attempt-to-rescind-red-card-694162.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/diarmuid-connolly-to-make-second-attempt-to-rescind-red-card-694162.html)
Jaysus he will be wrecked by the time Saturday evening comes around regardless if he's not playing
Will you ever go and register for the fantasy nfl, and stop talking shite here? :)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Ah in fairness it is just a mirror image of the Dublin hubris. Both counties fancy their chances. Dublin being talked up all year i suppose find it strange for the opposition not to be talking about how low the score can be kept when facing them. It's only natural that Dublin fans are offended when a county like Mayo who were suppose to be goners this year (a bit like Donegal last year) are talking the talk. But it's only talk. No harm to shout for your own. So long as it does not belittle your opponent or disrespect them.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2015, 04:53:41 PM
Will you ever go and register for the fantasy nfl, and stop talking shite here? :)
;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2015, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Ah in fairness it is just a mirror image of the Dublin hubris. Both counties fancy their chances. Dublin being talked up all year i suppose find it strange for the opposition not to be talking about how low the score can be kept when facing them. It's only natural that Dublin fans are offended when a county like Mayo who were suppose to be goners this year (a bit like Donegal last year) are talking the talk. But it's only talk. No harm to shout for your own. So long as it does not belittle your opponent or disrespect them.
It's been a tough week (still looking for tickets). I'm not always this grumpy. ;)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2015, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Ah in fairness it is just a mirror image of the Dublin hubris. Both counties fancy their chances. Dublin being talked up all year i suppose find it strange for the opposition not to be talking about how low the score can be kept when facing them. It's only natural that Dublin fans are offended when a county like Mayo who were suppose to be goners this year (a bit like Donegal last year) are talking the talk. But it's only talk. No harm to shout for your own. So long as it does not belittle your opponent or disrespect them.
It's been a tough week (still looking for tickets). I'm not always this grumpy. ;)
Hope you get sorted okay for tickets Hill 16 , and enjoy the match (but not too much )!!!
Sure the trawl thiis week for tickets will stand to you for the scramble that surely will follow if you win on Sat!!!!
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 03, 2015, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Ah in fairness it is just a mirror image of the Dublin hubris. Both counties fancy their chances. Dublin being talked up all year i suppose find it strange for the opposition not to be talking about how low the score can be kept when facing them. It's only natural that Dublin fans are offended when a county like Mayo who were suppose to be goners this year (a bit like Donegal last year) are talking the talk. But it's only talk. No harm to shout for your own. So long as it does not belittle your opponent or disrespect them.
It's been a tough week (still looking for tickets). I'm not always this grumpy. ;)
Hope you get sorted okay for tickets Hill 16 , and enjoy the match (but not too much )!!!
Sure the trawl thiis week for tickets will stand to you for the scramble that surely will follow if you win on Sat!!!!
Maith an fear ;)
Looking forward to the game on Saturday. There is more than likely to be a winner. And a loser. It's is important in the spirit of representing your county and the GAA family in general that both sets of fans are graceful and magnanimous in victory or defeat. I'm not telling anyone not to enjoy their teams triumph, just to be as to show decorum. Anyway Paudi hit the nail on the head here at 6:21.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPfW9mF5fc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPfW9mF5fc)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 06:31:40 PM
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 05:35:52 PM
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Ah in fairness it is just a mirror image of the Dublin hubris. Both counties fancy their chances. Dublin being talked up all year i suppose find it strange for the opposition not to be talking about how low the score can be kept when facing them. It's only natural that Dublin fans are offended when a county like Mayo who were suppose to be goners this year (a bit like Donegal last year) are talking the talk. But it's only talk. No harm to shout for your own. So long as it does not belittle your opponent or disrespect them.
It's been a tough week (still looking for tickets). I'm not always this grumpy. ;)
Hope you get sorted okay for tickets Hill 16 , and enjoy the match (but not too much )!!!
Sure the trawl thiis week for tickets will stand to you for the scramble that surely will follow if you win on Sat!!!!
Maith an fear ;)
Those animals from kerry will have snaffled all the feckin final tickets by now anyway
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Likewise Dublin to be fair.
No harm in asking but if anyone has one spare, let me know, based in Dublin but can collect on the day either ;)
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Quote from: Qwerty28 on September 03, 2015, 08:06:48 PM
No harm in asking but if anyone has one spare, let me know, based in Dublin but can collect on the day either ;)
Be careful with the doubled tickets tickets.ie have sent out.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Lol - as biased as you can get?
Can he do the same for the other footage of McMahon's dive and headbutt?
And also for Rory's stitches if you don't mind? At this stage it must be up to about 15 ?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Shame indeed
Quote from: Nihilist on September 03, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Lol - as biased as you can get?
Can he do the same for the other footage of McMahon's dive and headbutt?
And also for Rory's stitches if you don't mind? At this stage it must be up to about 15 ?
He is discussing the Keegan assault, nothing else so quiet down.
CSI:Dublin stuff there
Also you should check out the bloggers backstory, very good, been sober a few years now, was with Dublin as back up to cluxton for a very short period under Gilroy
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
Also you should check out the bloggers backstory, very good, been sober a few years now, was with Dublin as back up to cluxton for a very short period under Gilroy
Not exactly neutral so...
Sober paddys slomo is fairly definitive, Connolly was wronged here. Both teams were a disgrace to their counties and the gaa last Sunday, lets hope they make up for it this week with a good sporting game of football.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 03, 2015, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
Also you should check out the bloggers backstory, very good, been sober a few years now, was with Dublin as back up to cluxton for a very short period under Gilroy
Not exactly neutral so...
Do you dispute the story that the video tells?
Quote from: giveballaghback on September 03, 2015, 08:53:25 PM
Sober paddys slomo is fairly definitive, Connolly was wronged here. Both teams were a disgrace to their counties and the gaa last Sunday, lets hope they make up for it this week with a good sporting game of football.
Correct. If you believe the little subtitles above what is actually shown!
Connolly threw a punch despite the "slapped away".
It's the same video as was linked earlier, he just added a story to it! It shows nothing new.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 03, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Lol - as biased as you can get?
Can he do the same for the other footage of McMahon's dive and headbutt?
And also for Rory's stitches if you don't mind? At this stage it must be up to about 15 ?
He is discussing the Keegan assault, nothing else so quiet down.
In fairness everything he said was true except DC did punch him on the ground, he was targeted COC got a dig in and when shouting for the linesman but he hit out he had good reason for doing it but try tell the CAC that
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 03, 2015, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 03, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
Also you should check out the bloggers backstory, very good, been sober a few years now, was with Dublin as back up to cluxton for a very short period under Gilroy
Not exactly neutral so...
Do you dispute the story that the video tells?
No
(Except the last 'slapped away')
For all the talk on Connolly this, that and the other, what did he score from play the last day? 0-1 or something.
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
How is Rory O'Carroll? Is he going to be able to participate in any way on Sunday? Has he the stitches taken out?
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
Quote from: giveballaghback on September 03, 2015, 08:53:25 PM
Sober paddys slomo is fairly definitive, Connolly was wronged here. Both teams were a disgrace to their counties and the gaa last Sunday, lets hope they make up for it this week with a good sporting game of football.
Both sides were a disgrace . The carry on looking for "justice" is a disgrace.
We are now at a stage where nearly every sending off is appealed in the GAA.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
You Dublin fellas do some moaning, imagine if you actually lose! As a neutral, it's very amusing to see the revisionism that you have bought to what actually happened on Sunday.
Quote from: ashman on September 03, 2015, 09:46:42 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on September 03, 2015, 08:53:25 PM
Sober paddys slomo is fairly definitive, Connolly was wronged here. Both teams were a disgrace to their counties and the gaa last Sunday, lets hope they make up for it this week with a good sporting game of football.
Both sides were a disgrace . The carry on looking for "justice" is a disgrace.
We are now at a stage where nearly every sending off is appealed in the GAA.
We've been at that stage a long time now? Sure Westmeath spent a fortune in 2004 on getting Rory O'Connell of the hook. I'm sure there were examples previous to that?
QuoteHow is Rory O'Carroll? Is he going to be able to participate in any way on Sunday? Has he the stitches taken out?
The wound is healing ok I hear -he did get sick in the dressing room after the blow to the head but concussion protocols ok so should be ready for Saturday
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
You Dublin fellas do some moaning, imagine if you actually lose! As a neutral, it's very amusing to see the revisionism that you have bought to what actually happened on Sunday.
I agree, barely a post accepting they were over the top. They've posted the same old drivel on the hour every hour since Sunday evening.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 03, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
You Dublin fellas do some moaning, imagine if you actually lose! As a neutral, it's very amusing to see the revisionism that you have bought to what actually happened on Sunday.
I agree, barely a post accepting they were over the top. They've posted the same old drivel on the hour every hour since Sunday evening.
You're happy when you get everything your own way on this website.
Well the tide has turned now. We're going to war from now on
Any word on this appeal? Surely someone on here has the inside track ;)
Hows the pursuit of Cillian O'Connor going? Lads, ye're losing the run of yerselves. I'm sure the team is focused and ready to go, ye should be looking forward too.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 03, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
You Dublin fellas do some moaning, imagine if you actually lose! As a neutral, it's very amusing to see the revisionism that you have bought to what actually happened on Sunday.
I agree, barely a post accepting they were over the top. They've posted the same old drivel on the hour every hour since Sunday evening.
You're happy when you get everything your own way on this website.
Well the tide has turned now. We're going to war from now on
Now you're just embarrassing yourself!
Quote from: Tubberman on September 03, 2015, 09:15:12 AM
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Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Feckin hell horse but you have lost the plot altogether having a go at anyone with any sort of opinion.
You need to chill big time.
Anyway is ballinaman not a qualified Physiotherapist? From reading the running thread I'm pretty sure he is.
I reckon he knows what he's talking about so, wouldn't you??
You don't understand how much Indiana knows - nobody can.
That's why his mates call him Google. He knows everything about everything. ;D
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 03, 2015, 10:29:46 PM
Any word on this appeal? Surely someone on here has the inside track ;)
10/11 it will be heard before 1am on Paddy power
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 03, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
You Dublin fellas do some moaning, imagine if you actually lose! As a neutral, it's very amusing to see the revisionism that you have bought to what actually happened on Sunday.
I agree, barely a post accepting they were over the top. They've posted the same old drivel on the hour every hour since Sunday evening.
You're happy when you get everything your own way on this website.
Well the tide has turned now. We're going to war from now on
Now you're just embarrassing yourself!
Invest in some armour Benny. You're going to need it.
Have Dublin named a team yet?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 03, 2015, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 03, 2015, 09:15:12 AM
Quote from: annapr on September 03, 2015, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:35:33 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 03, 2015, 08:07:37 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 02, 2015, 11:47:48 PM
Dunno is Connolly missing that big of a deal. He scored what 1-2 but only one point from open play. Alan Brogan is the obvious replacement and Bernard plays better with him in the team. Also is a faster player than Connolly. Connolly maybe a little more power and stronger allright but sure look where that got him.
Alan Brogan looked like he was concussed after Hennelly had a rush of blood to his head and rushed that last kick out. Flynn caught Brogan and he was clearly out of it. Concussions are tricky. He ll want to play I m sure and management will want him to play. But concussions can creep up on ye in effects for some time after the initial trauma. Hope he's okay. Quality player.
There was no concussion . Alan is fine and raring to go.
No diagnostic test for concussion currently so can't say he did or did not suffer one.
I will pass on your concerns to the qualified medical professionals. Where did you study concussion protocols might I ask - just in case they ask ?
Do you want to send him a card or flowers as well?
Feckin hell horse but you have lost the plot altogether having a go at anyone with any sort of opinion.
You need to chill big time.
Anyway is ballinaman not a qualified Physiotherapist? From reading the running thread I'm pretty sure he is.
I reckon he knows what he's talking about so, wouldn't you??
You don't understand how much Indiana knows - nobody can.
That's why his mates call him Google. He knows everything about everything. ;D
Yes indeed ballinaman is a qualified physiotherapist. INDIANA, I suppose you want to know how I know this, well let's just say I went to school with ballinaman.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 03, 2015, 10:40:39 PM
Have Dublin named a team yet?
No but we can have a sing song to Aslan beforehand
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
How is Rory O'Carroll? Is he going to be able to participate in any way on Sunday? Has he the stitches taken out?
I've done my best to keep away from any of the nonsense on the thread, but I do find it very odd the way some have been belittling and joking about O'Carroll's injury. Not getting stitches doesn't disregard the fact that he suffered a serious facial injury that required him to leave the field after only 5 mins. And while the exact extent of the injury has not been made public, it clearly was severe enough for him not to be able to return to the field.
I doubt if anyone can protect you in this crazy world.
They're not slagging Rory O'Carroll, they're slagging the lads who came on talking about 13, 11, 10 stitches and pursuing Cillian O'Connor to the ends of the earth. That was a sore dose for O'Carroll, and I'd imagine he'll be lucky enough if he's involved on Saturday.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:40:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 03, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
You Dublin fellas do some moaning, imagine if you actually lose! As a neutral, it's very amusing to see the revisionism that you have bought to what actually happened on Sunday.
I agree, barely a post accepting they were over the top. They've posted the same old drivel on the hour every hour since Sunday evening.
You're happy when you get everything your own way on this website.
Well the tide has turned now. We're going to war from now on
Now you're just embarrassing yourself!
Invest in some armour Benny. You're going to need it.
Are you drunk? :-[
Go lie down, wait until Saturday and just enjoy the game. You are clearly cracking up under the pressure....a bit like your team does actually.
Quote from: Hound on September 03, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
How is Rory O'Carroll? Is he going to be able to participate in any way on Sunday? Has he the stitches taken out?
I've done my best to keep away from any of the nonsense on the thread, but I do find it very odd the way some have been belittling and joking about O'Carroll's injury. Not getting stitches doesn't disregard the fact that he suffered a serious facial injury that required him to leave the field after only 5 mins. And while the exact extent of the injury has not been made public, it clearly was severe enough for him not to be able to return to the field.
:-[ I honestly didn't know.
I haven't been able to keep up with the two threads (due to the fact there's so much shit posted by posters from both counties) so I must have missed it. I assume he will be ok for Sunday so? Or was the damage done to him that bad to keep him out for Sunday?
Dublin 10/11, Mayo 5/4
Someone to get a red card is even money
Quote from: Hound on September 03, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
How is Rory O'Carroll? Is he going to be able to participate in any way on Sunday? Has he the stitches taken out?
I've done my best to keep away from any of the nonsense on the thread, but I do find it very odd the way some have been belittling and joking about O'Carroll's injury. Not getting stitches doesn't disregard the fact that he suffered a serious facial injury that required him to leave the field after only 5 mins. And while the exact extent of the injury has not been made public, it clearly was severe enough for him not to be able to return to the field.
They are belittiling him because he's a Dub. It's the way this website works- we're just fair game.
That's fine by me- the rules have been defined here.
Agree totally with AZOffaly. Carrolls injury was the most accidental of all on Sunday (excepting the two Dubs who ran into each other). He got caught by a flailing arm and not an elbow as suggested by others. These things happen in games and are not the same as deliberate punches, kicks etc. I hope Carroll plays and as I posted earlier, I wouldnt be distraught if Connolly plays because (like Keegan last year) he'll find it hard to get focussed.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:40:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 03, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
You Dublin fellas do some moaning, imagine if you actually lose! As a neutral, it's very amusing to see the revisionism that you have bought to what actually happened on Sunday.
I agree, barely a post accepting they were over the top. They've posted the same old drivel on the hour every hour since Sunday evening.
You're happy when you get everything your own way on this website.
Well the tide has turned now. We're going to war from now on
Now you're just embarrassing yourself!
Invest in some armour Benny. You're going to need it.
Are you drunk? :-[
Go lie down, wait until Saturday and just enjoy the game. You are clearly cracking up under the pressure....a bit like your team does actually.
chillaxed Benny- . Just rocking out to the Saw Doctors Greatest Hits.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:59:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 03, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
How is Rory O'Carroll? Is he going to be able to participate in any way on Sunday? Has he the stitches taken out?
I've done my best to keep away from any of the nonsense on the thread, but I do find it very odd the way some have been belittling and joking about O'Carroll's injury. Not getting stitches doesn't disregard the fact that he suffered a serious facial injury that required him to leave the field after only 5 mins. And while the exact extent of the injury has not been made public, it clearly was severe enough for him not to be able to return to the field.
They are belittiling him because he's a Dub. It's the way this website works- we're just fair game.
That's fine by me- the rules have been defined here.
Ah come on Indy, the persecution complex doesn't wash. You could argue that 3 or 4 lads should have been in trouble after the first game, from both sides, but Connolly's red card is nailed on.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 11:00:17 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:40:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 03, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 03, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Does Sober Paddy have a video of Dermo's assault on Diarmuid O'Connor in the second half. This assault involved the knee, the elbow, the fist as he forced the 19 year old's head into the Croke Park turf before grabbing him by the throat. There was absolutely no retaliation. You don't need a secretly uncovered video. It was caught live on national tv cameras. No labels needed either. The nature and extent of the thuggery was self explanatory. There was a nice video of Jonny Cooper also.
Cillian O Connor is a lucky boy. Gave a man a closed eye and punched another player when he had his back turned and on the ground.
And he refereed the game as well. He's some man for one man
You Dublin fellas do some moaning, imagine if you actually lose! As a neutral, it's very amusing to see the revisionism that you have bought to what actually happened on Sunday.
I agree, barely a post accepting they were over the top. They've posted the same old drivel on the hour every hour since Sunday evening.
You're happy when you get everything your own way on this website.
Well the tide has turned now. We're going to war from now on
Now you're just embarrassing yourself!
Invest in some armour Benny. You're going to need it.
Are you drunk? :-[
Go lie down, wait until Saturday and just enjoy the game. You are clearly cracking up under the pressure....a bit like your team does actually.
chillaxed Benny- . Just rocking out to the Saw Doctors Greatest Hits.
N17 must be up there. ;)
Quote from: venter on September 03, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Moysider, why do you suggest that Evan regan is probably not under consideration? Has he played recent club championship games for ballina?
I think the reality is that we need to get a sharp quick forward up beside o'shea. An unknown like regan might be able to bring something different. Has he the physical strength to be able to handle himself against a very well conditioned dublin back line?
The reason that I have suggested that is because he was not in the 26 the last day. What difference is 6 days going to make?
He's played club 6 weeks ago and afaik he's had no setback with that injury. Unfair to speculate and anyway it would be a huge call for management to parachute him in now.
Unfortunately, the last day, when we had a chance or 2 to put Dublin away at the death, we didn't have the last forward impact from the bench able to deliver the kill shot. That may haunt us for a while.
But it looks like Dillon and Regan were not right for whatever reasons last Sunday and it's hard to see much change in 6 days.
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 11:03:14 PM
Quote from: venter on September 03, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Moysider, why do you suggest that Evan regan is probably not under consideration? Has he played recent club championship games for ballina?
I think the reality is that we need to get a sharp quick forward up beside o'shea. An unknown like regan might be able to bring something different. Has he the physical strength to be able to handle himself against a very well conditioned dublin back line?
The reason that I have suggested that is because he was not in the 26 the last day. What difference is 6 days going to make?
He's played club 6 weeks ago and afaik he's had no setback with that injury. Unfair to speculate and anyway it would be a huge call for management to parachute him in now.
Unfortunately, the last day, when we had a chance or 2 to put Dublin away at the death, we didn't have the last forward impact from the bench able to deliver the kill shot. That may haunt us for a while.
But it looks like Dillon and Regan were not right for whatever reasons last Sunday and it's hard to see much change in 6 days.
Mayo's bad misses in the third quarter when we were turning the screw at midfield could yet be the undoing of us. Dublin got the second goal soon after, if Mayo had got those four/five shots that went wide or dropped short I feel it would have set Mayo up earlier than the last ten minute comeback. It's all opinion however, as they didn't go over but I think they could be very costly.
Anyway, oÃche mhaith muintir gaaboard.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:59:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 03, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
How is Rory O'Carroll? Is he going to be able to participate in any way on Sunday? Has he the stitches taken out?
I've done my best to keep away from any of the nonsense on the thread, but I do find it very odd the way some have been belittling and joking about O'Carroll's injury. Not getting stitches doesn't disregard the fact that he suffered a serious facial injury that required him to leave the field after only 5 mins. And while the exact extent of the injury has not been made public, it clearly was severe enough for him not to be able to return to the field.
They are belittiling him because he's a Dub. It's the way this website works- we're just fair game.
That's fine by me- the rules have been defined here.
You're some hyprocrite.
Have you apologised to ballinaman yet? ;D
You made a show of yourself there..!
Ah leave him off, testing times for INDIANA. Tis only a game of ball like.
Quote from: annapr on September 03, 2015, 11:07:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 10:59:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 03, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2015, 09:31:57 PM
How is Rory O'Carroll? Is he going to be able to participate in any way on Sunday? Has he the stitches taken out?
I've done my best to keep away from any of the nonsense on the thread, but I do find it very odd the way some have been belittling and joking about O'Carroll's injury. Not getting stitches doesn't disregard the fact that he suffered a serious facial injury that required him to leave the field after only 5 mins. And while the exact extent of the injury has not been made public, it clearly was severe enough for him not to be able to return to the field.
They are belittiling him because he's a Dub. It's the way this website works- we're just fair game.
That's fine by me- the rules have been defined here.
You're some hyprocrite.
Have you apologised to ballinaman yet? ;D
You made a show of yourself there..!
Nothing to apologise for. I love the mystic meg diagnosis however - despite never having being in contact with the patient.
If he's that good- he could get a Dr Phil slot.
Have to admit aidan O se will be crucial to mayo success, but surely he is entitled to more protection from the referees. Dubs got away with blue murder last Sunday.
Quote from: rrhf on September 03, 2015, 11:21:42 PM
Have to admit aidan O se will be crucial to mayo success, but surely he is entitled to more protection from the referees. Dubs got away with blue murder last Sunday.
We've offered him the option of keeping a hair brush behind the goal so between plays he can style his fringe
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2015, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2015, 11:03:14 PM
Quote from: venter on September 03, 2015, 10:54:49 AM
Moysider, why do you suggest that Evan regan is probably not under consideration? Has he played recent club championship games for ballina?
I think the reality is that we need to get a sharp quick forward up beside o'shea. An unknown like regan might be able to bring something different. Has he the physical strength to be able to handle himself against a very well conditioned dublin back line?
The reason that I have suggested that is because he was not in the 26 the last day. What difference is 6 days going to make?
He's played club 6 weeks ago and afaik he's had no setback with that injury. Unfair to speculate and anyway it would be a huge call for management to parachute him in now.
Unfortunately, the last day, when we had a chance or 2 to put Dublin away at the death, we didn't have the last forward impact from the bench able to deliver the kill shot. That may haunt us for a while.
But it looks like Dillon and Regan were not right for whatever reasons last Sunday and it's hard to see much change in 6 days.
Mayo's bad misses in the third quarter when we were turning the screw at midfield could yet be the undoing of us. Dublin got the second goal soon after, if Mayo had got those four/five shots that went wide or dropped short I feel it would have set Mayo up earlier than the last ten minute comeback. It's all opinion however, as they didn't go over but I think they could be very costly.
Anyway, oÃche mhaith muintir gaaboard.
True. If we had nailed a few of those chances the second Dublin goal would not have been as devastating as it looked like it was going to be.
But the lack of composure at the end bothers me more. We had all the momentum and we had possession, field position and chances. We are a battle hardened outfit and should have finished the job when that late push had Dublin teetering on the brink.
Any time now we should hear if Connolly is cleared to play, ridiculous time for meetings.................. I'd say big Aidan is tucked in with sheamie and their favourite teddies ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38j7p5WWNV0
Soup dragons - I'm free
Good song
The appeal failed.
My Dublin source told me that Cillian O'Connor chaired the meeting. O'Connor also refused leave to appeal to the DRA saying 'I am busy enough with playing and reffing on Saturday'.
In other news a GaaBoard poster from Dublin has just declared war on most of Ireland. In response, most of Ireland is said to be in stitches.
Indeed, no joy, ah well no one passed on, looking forward to saturday
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 04, 2015, 01:06:13 AM
Indeed, no joy, ah well no one passed on, looking forward to saturday
Will they go to the DRA?
Quote from: muppet on September 04, 2015, 01:07:43 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 04, 2015, 01:06:13 AM
Indeed, no joy, ah well no one passed on, looking forward to saturday
Will they go to the DRA?
I hope not, let's focus on Saturday now. Similar to keegan last year I'd imagine you would be mentally fatigued come game time.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Sober paddy would want to go back on the beer
Quote from: muppet on September 04, 2015, 01:01:42 AM
The appeal failed.
My Dublin source told me that Cillian O'Connor chaired the meeting. O'Connor also refused leave to appeal to the DRA saying 'I am busy enough with playing and reffing on Saturday'.
In other news a GaaBoard poster from Dublin has just declared war on most of Ireland. In response, most of Ireland is said to be in stitches.
How many stitches?
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 04, 2015, 01:01:42 AM
The appeal failed.
My Dublin source told me that Cillian O'Connor chaired the meeting. O'Connor also refused leave to appeal to the DRA saying 'I am busy enough with playing and reffing on Saturday'.
In other news a GaaBoard poster from Dublin has just declared war on most of Ireland. In response, most of Ireland is said to be in stitches.
How many stitches?
Somewhere between 13-17 and it coould be more. He is said to be trying to keep face. Wouldn't you if you had all them stitches, it (face) must he really hanging off?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 04, 2015, 05:11:42 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Sober paddy would want to go back on the beer
"Power down" .... a new entry into the Oxford thesaurus for a punch !!
QuoteThe appeal failed.
My Dublin source told me that Cillian O'Connor chaired the meeting. O'Connor also refused leave to appeal to the DRA saying 'I am busy enough with playing and reffing on Saturday'.
In other news a GaaBoard poster from Dublin has just declared war on most of Ireland. In response, most of Ireland is said to be in stitches.
1st post i read this morning. Classic
Technically the right decision on connolly but I can well understand the Dubs being annoyed at the inconsistency of Keane getting off a few weeks back.
Dublin team to be named tonight I presume?
The only way the Dubs can win this match is doing away with their sweeper.
It wouldn't surprise me if Jim / the team decide this.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 03, 2015, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 03, 2015, 11:21:42 PM
Have to admit aidan O se will be crucial to mayo success, but surely he is entitled to more protection from the referees. Dubs got away with blue murder last Sunday.
We've offered him the option of keeping a hair brush behind the goal so between plays he can style his fringe
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the gloves are off in Mayo
Quote from: highorlow on September 04, 2015, 09:17:36 AM
The only way the Dubs can win this match is doing away with their sweeper.
It wouldn't surprise me if Jim / the team decide this.
We won't play a sweeper per se, but if Mayo play a sweeper then we'll have a spare man at the back and we'll leave him there, to effectively sweep! McCaffrey will still be given licence to roam - I noticed on the highlights that for our peno, the closest man to Flynn when he was fouled was Jack.
For Mayo kickouts, last week Andrews and the half forwards dropped back to bolster the midfield and encourage Mayo to go short. Presumably on the basis that in a battle of the skies Parsons and SOS would dominate Fenton and MDMA. Ironically Fenton won the only contested midfield battle between the 4, which was Hennelly's very first kick out I think, but fair to say the kickout favoured Fenton rather than him making a great catch. But Connolly missing weakens our aerial strength further and I would be surprised if Barry Moran doesn't start to further bolster Mayo in that department.
So I think we'll allow Mayo go short again, although presumably Mayo will be pushing up on Dublin kickouts and encouraging Cluxton to go long
If the bookies ran odds on who'd create the most scoring chances, I'd put a good few quid on Mayo. I'm hoping Dublin are in contention with 10 minutes to go, as no doubt the last 10 will be chaos again, but I do fear Mayo forwards will be more clinical from play this week and might have put it beyond us.
QuoteSo I think we'll allow Mayo go short again, although presumably Mayo will be pushing up on Dublin kickouts and encouraging Cluxton to go long
Maybe at the start of each half.
I can't understand why ye leave Bastick on the bench. He will start the next day ahead of MDMCA or Fenton?
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 04, 2015, 05:11:42 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Sober paddy would want to go back on the beer
"Power down" .... a new entry into the Oxford thesaurus for a punch !!
It's already in the North Korean version.
The only mention of 'strike' being in reference to Cillian O'Connor's vicious attack on Connolly.
At this stage I'm sick to death of appeals and disciplinary issues dominating the conversation. Diarmuid is a huge loss no doubt but lets just get on with it at this stage and see if we can win playing our own game. Rather die with the boots on as they say. To my mind its an era defining match for both teams as the losers will have underachieved for the talent that's been at their disposal over the last 5 years though at least Dublin can say they've won 2 AI.
Given the match last week and the track record over the last few years I still feel Dublin have enough to win it but only if we concentrate on our game.
Enjoy the game.
Paddy Power still has us as favourites so someone thinks we'll win.
Quote from: Declan on September 04, 2015, 10:08:54 AM
At this stage I'm sick to death of appeals and disciplinary issues dominating the conversation. Diarmuid is a huge loss no doubt but lets just get on with it at this stage and see if we can win playing our own game. Rather die with the boots on as they say. To my mind its an era defining match for both teams as the losers will have underachieved for the talent that's been at their disposal over the last 5 years though at least Dublin can say they've won 2 AI.
Given the match last week and the track record over the last few years I still feel Dublin have enough to win it but only if we concentrate on our game.
Enjoy the game.
Get out of here with that sensible talk!
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 04, 2015, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 04, 2015, 05:11:42 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 03, 2015, 08:07:42 PM
Watch the slow motion video.
http://soberpaddy.com/should-dermot-connolly-have-been-sent-off/
Sober paddy would want to go back on the beer
"Power down" .... a new entry into the Oxford thesaurus for a punch !!
It's already in the North Korean version.
The only mention of 'strike' being in reference to Cillian O'Connor's vicious attack on Connolly.
Do you think there was a significant difference in force between O'Connor's punch and Connolly's punch? They were both fairly mild taps, but technical strikes and technical red cards. However, had the ref the benefit of seeing the full incident replayed a couple of times from different angles, I'd guess he would have given yellow to both and probably black to Keegan.
But once the red is awarded, it can't be over-turned as it was strictly correct, unless there was some technical feck up, which didnt happen this time.
The CCCC probably should have said, sorry we messed up re Keane, he shouldn't have been downgraded, and we won't make that mistake again.
Sorted now. Feel sorryish for DC. Harsh dismissal.
A tough lesson for him to learn.
We're in big trouble now. Misfiring all over the pitch. A resurgent and cocky Mayo outfit out for blood.
To say the least, the Mayo boys at the club last night were confident of victory. Think they are right.
Quote from: highorlow on September 04, 2015, 09:52:30 AM
QuoteSo I think we'll allow Mayo go short again, although presumably Mayo will be pushing up on Dublin kickouts and encouraging Cluxton to go long
Maybe at the start of each half.
I can't understand why ye leave Bastick on the bench. He will start the next day ahead of MDMCA or Fenton?
Bastick hasn't got 70 minutes in him. I'm not sure he even has 50 minutes.
There was a great example v Monaghan in the league semi. Brilliant in the first half, and didnt get a kick in the 2nd.
Although Macauley has missed a good chunk of the season so I'm not sure he was 70 minutes at the intensity of this game in him either. Started ok last week but faded badly in the 2nd half, so its maybe 6 of one...
Quote from: Canalman on September 04, 2015, 10:38:23 AM
Sorted now. Feel sorryish for DC. Harsh dismissal.
A tough lesson for him to learn.
We're in big trouble now. Misfiring all over the pitch. A resurgent and cocky Mayo outfit out for blood.
To say the least, the Mayo boys at the club last night were confident of victory. Think they are right.
Ah, there are a few more twists and turns to this saga. From 50 minutes on tomorrow players will be out on their legs. The subs bench will be very important. Decision making of the tired mind will get harder. Spaces will open up. A player like McManamon coming on could cause havoc. I have to say that the distraction of the DC appeal won't have helped Dublin. I know last year we had the same sh1te with Keegan. Although he got off he had a stinker and I'm sure it affected preparation. With the short run in into this game Connolly's appeal should have been done and dusted on Monday morning. Any appeal on that dealt with that evening. And what ever the outcome, so be it and allow Dublin to get on with focusing on the game. Dragging it out all week only pisses of everyone (weather he won or lost the appeal). Usually when a key figure like Connolly is out of a game, this can often free up a player to step into his boot and do the business.
Think we can sneak him on without anyone noticing?
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Quote from: Hound on September 04, 2015, 10:26:30 AM
Do you think there was a significant difference in force between O'Connor's punch and Connolly's punch? They were both fairly mild taps, but technical strikes and technical red cards. However, had the ref the benefit of seeing the full incident replayed a couple of times from different angles, I'd guess he would have given yellow to both and probably black to Keegan.
But once the red is awarded, it can't be over-turned as it was strictly correct, unless there was some technical feck up, which didnt happen this time.
The CCCC probably should have said, sorry we messed up re Keane, he shouldn't have been downgraded, and we won't make that mistake again.
O'Connor's looked to be a slap of the 'hey get off him' variety. If he closed his fist for it, it was unwise, but hardly forceful.
Connolly's delivered a downward punch at a player on the ground, whatever about the force, it looks much uglier and was a huge escalation in what was a silly handbags situation up to then.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 04, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Paddy Power still has us as favourites so someone thinks we'll win.
Ye have to be favourites. On top of having the pedigree to win two AI's in the last 4 years, ye are also playing at home in front of a large following. Huge advantage. Not ye're fault. There is no where else on this Island the play the game. No sane bookie can look beyond those issues.
Quote from: Declan on September 04, 2015, 11:04:17 AM
Think we can sneak him on without anyone noticing?
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;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Stf9IQyH7A
All the money Dublin have and they couldn't even afford a decent legal team to get the ban overturned.
A lost cause now, hard enough to compete against the 16 men of the mighty Mayo but without the second best player in the country after Superman , Mayo 3-14 Dublin 1-09.
Enjoy the match lads.
Is that your final contribution ;D
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 04, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Paddy Power still has us as favourites so someone thinks we'll win.
When are Dublin not favourites with the bookies though?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 04, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Paddy Power still has us as favourites so someone thinks we'll win.
They've Dublin at 10/11, it's barely favourites, 10/11 is the same odds they'd give onei each outcome of a coin toss.
I wonder will we see banners like this on the hill tomorrow...
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Maybe "Mayo refugees welcome"
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 11:43:45 AM
A lost cause now, hard enough to compete against the 16 men of the mighty Mayo but without the second best player in the country after Superman , Mayo 3-14 Dublin 1-09.
Enjoy the match lads.
Come on where is the Dublin fight. Can't be hanging out the White flag like that? What would our brethren of '16 think? and ye that stand so proudly game after game on a Terrace dedicated to them. After all them couple of boys took on an Empire! Ye have to take on a couple of Country boys on ye're own turf and ye are running like frightened chickens. Come on now, chest out, head up and no more of your sh1te. Ciaran Whealn (aka the Roman march '06) would be ashamed of ya!
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2015, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 04, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Paddy Power still has us as favourites so someone thinks we'll win.
They've Dublin at 10/11, it's barely favourites, 10/11 is the same odds they'd give onei each outcome of a coin toss.
I still fancy Dublin. They have the likes of A Brogan and Kevin McMenenman to bring in alongside 5 other strong forwards. DC is a loss but they have the pieces to work around it. They'll also have 2 midfielders from the start which will help. Have Mayo found forwards who can score form play during the week ? Dubs by 4
Dublin to win this easily. They feel they're hard done by, (obviously they were the instigators in all the off the ball stuff, their player threw a punch at Keegan, their player dived, their player head butted O'Shea, their player threw a few punches at Boyle) I think they're used to getting their own way and they don't like when things go against them. This will fire them up though, they have Mayo on their own patch and I can't see them losing.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on September 04, 2015, 01:15:32 PM
Dublin to win this easily. They feel they're hard done by, (obviously they were the instigators in all the off the ball stuff, their player threw a punch at Keegan, their player dived, their player head butted O'Shea, their player threw a few punches at Boyle) I think they're used to getting their own way and they don't like when things go against them. This will fire them up though, they have Mayo on their own patch and I can't see them losing.
they were too fired up last weekend, their kamikaze tackling was incredibly rash, much like a big strong rugby player at his first ever football training session. They need to reign that in first and work from that as C O'C will punish them
Mayo by 10
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2015, 11:50:48 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 04, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Paddy Power still has us as favourites so someone thinks we'll win.
When are Dublin not favourites with the bookies though?
I don't think we'll be favourites against Kerry. Though having Connolly back by then will help.
Quote from: straightred on September 04, 2015, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2015, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 04, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Paddy Power still has us as favourites so someone thinks we'll win.
They've Dublin at 10/11, it's barely favourites, 10/11 is the same odds they'd give onei each outcome of a coin toss.
I still fancy Dublin. They have the likes of A Brogan and Kevin McMenenman to bring in alongside 5 other strong forwards. DC is a loss but they have the pieces to work around it. They'll also have 2 midfielders from the start which will help. Have Mayo found forwards who can score form play during the week ? Dubs by 4
This I agree with. I amn't sure Mayo will improve that much in a week, especially in the forwards. Depends if Bastick is brought in early or not. Bernard Brogan must be loving this week. He's not mentioned at all and could be back to his potent best this weekend.
Lee Keegan will pick him up, and both of them will be sent off inside 20 minutes.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 11:43:45 AM
A lost cause now, hard enough to compete against the 16 men of the mighty Mayo but without the second best player in the country after Superman , Mayo 3-14 Dublin 1-09.
Enjoy the match lads.
Agreed we've no hope now . With the fringe and " the best forward ...sorry free taker in Ireland and with Haircut 100 driving them from the back its hard to see a Dublin win
The Stars have aligned for Mayo. Mayo 3-15 Dublin 0-7 . Poor send off for Stevie but these things rarely end well
Fair comments all the way. I do think though that the best Mayo player on the pitch last Sunday was the referee. How did he award the penalty in the last two minutes? Everyone in the ground except him knew it was never a peno.
Quote from: straightred on September 04, 2015, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2015, 11:50:58 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 04, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Paddy Power still has us as favourites so someone thinks we'll win.
They've Dublin at 10/11, it's barely favourites, 10/11 is the same odds they'd give onei each outcome of a coin toss.
I still fancy Dublin. They have the likes of A Brogan and Kevin McMenenman to bring in alongside 5 other strong forwards. DC is a loss but they have the pieces to work around it. They'll also have 2 midfielders from the start which will help. Have Mayo found forwards who can score form play during the week ? Dubs by 4
If the Dublin lads would stop fouling them so close in I'd say they'll improve their score from play stats!
QuoteIf the Dublin lads would stop fouling them so close in I'd say they'll improve their score from play stats!
Wasn't so much fouling close it was the moaning that made Joe bring a lot of them forward to make them more scoreable. Foul away boys but keep it outside the 45 ;)
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This I agree with. I amn't sure Mayo will improve that much in a week, especially in the forwards. Depends if Bastick is brought in early or not. Bernard Brogan must be loving this week. He's not mentioned at all and could be back to his potent best this weekend.
We could have the Alan and Bernard show. Sneaky feeling Dublin will do it this time.
Quote from: kmac2603 on September 04, 2015, 01:45:33 PM
Fair comments all the way. I do think though that the best Mayo player on the pitch last Sunday was the referee. How did he award the penalty in the last two minutes? Everyone in the ground except him knew it was never a peno.
ah hem, you tackle the football, you do not ride roughshod over an opposition player, especially in the box and then punch him a couple of times from behind whilst he's unable to defend himself...no, that wouldn't be the wisest thing to do. Anyhoo, the Dublin penalty was definitely not a penalty, so, penalty wise, youse done rightly all things considered
We will pick up where we left off the last day and it will be us 5 up after 13 minutes.
It shouldn't surprise me at this stage as to the blinkered analysis of the last game. It's all about the Dubs won't be as bad again, Mayo need to find forwards etc.
People on the radio saying the Dubs were better for 60mins of the game. That's simply incorrect.
We came back from 5 down and from 7 down in that match and we persistently fouled in order for the Dubs to stop us getting goals.
I fancy us to blitz the Dubs early in both half's and rack up a match winning score. Mayo by 3 with us hanging on at the end this time for dear life.
Dubs for me. As another poster said the Dubs will have learned more from last week. Play the football you've played all year and leave the Tyrone tactics to Tyrone.
Dubs by 2
I think Mayo will perform much the same as they did the last day with maybe a couple of less wides. The thing is will Dublin play as bad in terms of the middle third??
With all the shite talk about the red card and should have been red cards every one has missed the fact that Dublin only created half the amount of scoring chances that they normally do ( I think it was 22 v an ave of 40) , so that is a 64% success rate which is very impressive considering the missed 4 placed balls.Will Mayo restrict them as much the next day? It will be a huge task!!!
I think if Gavin leaves on Dean Rock , who is out on his own ahead of everyone else when it comes to percentage of dead ball scores taken then they will add at least 4 or 5 points to there tally which could be enough to beat us the next day.
On the flip side we could and should start better than the last day where we were sluggish with lazy long balls into O'Shea and just taking 50% ( I think 52% is our season ave) of those scoring chances when we had our purple patch in the game we could be leading the Dubs by 2 or 3 points heading down the home stretch. After the crazy finish to last Sunday's game this might weigh heavy on the Dubs although the are amply equipped up front to chase a game they way we did!!
My feeling is that this could go to extra time if the Dubs struggle in midfield again but if they improve a significant amount in this area it will take an even bigger comeback by Mayo to keep this game in the melting pot. Also if we take advantage of any dominant period we should have during this game then I think we could squeeze home by 2 or 3 points in the end.
The more I think about it they more I think everyone should hunker down and prepare for extra time!!!!
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Quote from: Declan on September 04, 2015, 03:29:26 PM
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Everytime I see that clown in the blue paint it boils my blood.
The closest he was ever to a GAA club was when I let him into our car park when the Dubs won in 2013 and they were bringing Sam out and I wouldn't say he was ever at a match before two years ago.
In case anyone is interested, he's also off 'drink and drugs' for two years now.
FYI Mayo lads heading up the road Paddy Power have done you a solid here . . .
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Pity they didn't have it a few weeks ago for the Tyronies!!!!
QuoteThe closest he was ever to a GAA club was when I let him into our car park when the Dubs won in 2013 and they were bringing Sam out and I wouldn't say he was ever at a match before two years ago.
Doesn't surprise me
Quote from: Declan on September 04, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
QuoteThe closest he was ever to a GAA club was when I let him into our car park when the Dubs won in 2013 and they were bringing Sam out and I wouldn't say he was ever at a match before two years ago.
Doesn't surprise me
Every county has a few of them in fairness. THe Dubs are below the average in my experience considering the amount of fans they have going to games.
Who among us culchies is going to be the one to break it to the Dubs that we don't all hate them? Hell, plenty of us don't even dislike them.
If Mayo lose who would they support in the final?
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2015, 04:05:24 PM
If Mayo lose who would they support in the final?
The Durty Dubs.
A small number of additional tickets for the #DublinMayo replay have just gone on sale online only! #GAA @ tickets.ie
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Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2015, 04:05:24 PM
If Mayo lose who would they support in the final?
Dublin
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QuoteThe closest he was ever to a GAA club was when I let him into our car park when the Dubs won in 2013 and they were bringing Sam out and I wouldn't say he was ever at a match before two years ago.
Doesn't surprise me
Every county has a few of them in fairness. THe Dubs are below the average in my experience considering the amount of fans they have going to games.
There were two wizened Dubs (probably brothers) in cowboy hats and full regalia in the Upper Hogan in 2013 for the Dublin-Kerry 'Classico'. The world was either ending on they were singing their heads off. Though I suppose that's not much different to any supporters. Something about that accent though.
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Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Ah in fairness it is just a mirror image of the Dublin hubris. Both counties fancy their chances. Dublin being talked up all year i suppose find it strange for the opposition not to be talking about how low the score can be kept when facing them. It's only natural that Dublin fans are offended when a county like Mayo who were suppose to be goners this year (a bit like Donegal last year) are talking the talk. But it's only talk. No harm to shout for your own. So long as it does not belittle your opponent or disrespect them.
It's been a tough week (still looking for tickets). I'm not always this grumpy. ;)
Hope you get sorted okay for tickets Hill 16 , and enjoy the match (but not too much )!!!
Sure the trawl thiis week for tickets will stand to you for the scramble that surely will follow if you win on Sat!!!!
Maith an fear ;)
A hill ticket has come through so I'm fixed. :D
Hopefully everyone will stay safe tomorrow - on and off the pitch
COYBIB
Dublin by 7 I suspect
Lads, I know I know , last post on this , but just want to say best of luck to the Mayo lads on here tomorrow, should be a good one and enjoy the match .
Quote from: Rossfan on September 04, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
Dublin by 7 I suspect
Dublin will resort to Tyrone tactics, stifle actual footballers and advance easily to the AIF against Kerry. Dublin by 12.
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Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2015, 04:05:24 PM
If Mayo lose who would they support in the final?
Dublin
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Hmmm. Interesting.
And who would the Rossies and Galway supporters be shouting for in the final if Mayo win tomorrow?
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Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2015, 04:05:24 PM
If Mayo lose who would they support in the final?
Dublin
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Hmmm. Interesting.
And who would the Rossies and Galway supporters be shouting for in the final if Mayo win tomorrow?
Why do we have to be shouting? Most Roscommon and Galway supporters are more sophisticated than that.
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Ridiculous hubris from Mayo supporters considering that your team only scraped a draw last Sunday after being dead and almost buried until injury time. It will be one hell of a let down for you all if you don't win on Saturday.
Ah in fairness it is just a mirror image of the Dublin hubris. Both counties fancy their chances. Dublin being talked up all year i suppose find it strange for the opposition not to be talking about how low the score can be kept when facing them. It's only natural that Dublin fans are offended when a county like Mayo who were suppose to be goners this year (a bit like Donegal last year) are talking the talk. But it's only talk. No harm to shout for your own. So long as it does not belittle your opponent or disrespect them.
It's been a tough week (still looking for tickets). I'm not always this grumpy. ;)
Hope you get sorted okay for tickets Hill 16 , and enjoy the match (but not too much )!!!
Sure the trawl thiis week for tickets will stand to you for the scramble that surely will follow if you win on Sat!!!!
Maith an fear ;)
A hill ticket has come through so I'm fixed. :D
Hopefully everyone will stay safe tomorrow - on and off the pitch
COYBIB
Great stuff!! It would be sacrilegious if the gave you a ticket anywhere else Hill is Blue!!! Enjoy the match and the pints afterwards!!
High or low it's Willie Joe!!! Hon MAYO ta f**k!!!
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
Lads, I know I know , last post on this , but just want to say best of luck to the Mayo lads on here tomorrow, should be a good one and enjoy the match .
You too, your Grace. Enjoy the day. It's great to have football in September always.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 04, 2015, 06:25:11 PM
And who would the Rossies and Galway supporters be shouting for in the final if Mayo win tomorrow?
Tipp Minors ;D
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
Lads, I know I know , last post on this , but just want to say best of luck to the Mayo lads on here tomorrow, should be a good one and enjoy the match .
Fair play, I have read this a few times but don't see any Yerra.
Good luck tomorrow and may the best
Mayo team win.
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
Lads, I know I know , last post on this , but just want to say best of luck to the Mayo lads on here tomorrow, should be a good one and enjoy the match .
Fair play, I have read this a few times but don't see any Yerra.
Good luck tomorrow and may the best Mayo team win.
Or Mayo-WestRos-Bellaghy team as the case may be.
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
Lads, I know I know , last post on this , but just want to say best of luck to the Mayo lads on here tomorrow, should be a good one and enjoy the match .
You too, your Grace. Enjoy the day. It's great to have football in September always.
This is it. All joking aside, Dublin and Mayo fans should be like kids on Christmas Eve. 30 other counties would love to be looking forward to a semi (oh sailor!) mañana
I cannot wait for it. Might even have a wee beer
Yes, safe travelling to all who are attending. I for one wish I could but sure what can you do. I hope to see an improved Mayo performance and if they perform to their ability what else can you ask? I still have an uncomfortable feeling that Dublin have room to improve as well. May the best team win tomorrow (so long as it's Mayo!)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
Yes, safe travelling to all who are attending. I for one wish I could but sure what can you do. I hope to see an improved Mayo performance and if they perform to their ability what else can you ask? I still have an uncomfortable feeling that Dublin have room to improve as well. May the best team win tomorrow (so long as it's Mayo!)
Farr, the day you don't have uncomfortable feelings before a Mayo match I'll be turning on Midwest to see if an emergency broadcast system is in place before an impending apocalypse.
Going to be cutting it fine arriving tomorrow, sure when in Rome.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
Yes, safe travelling to all who are attending. I for one wish I could but sure what can you do. I hope to see an improved Mayo performance and if they perform to their ability what else can you ask? I still have an uncomfortable feeling that Dublin have room to improve as well. May the best team win tomorrow (so long as it's Mayo!)
Farr, the day you don't have uncomfortable feelings before a Mayo match I'll be turning on Midwest to see if an emergency broadcast system is in place before an impending apocalypse.
Going to be cutting it fine arriving tomorrow, sure when in Rome.
;D
Quote from: JoG2 on September 04, 2015, 09:19:09 PM
This is it. All joking aside, Dublin and Mayo fans should be like kids on Christmas Eve. 30 other counties would love to be looking forward to a semi (oh sailor!) mañana
I cannot wait for it. Might even have a wee beer
Yeah, but in our case (Mayo, as if you already didn't know) Santa never comes the next morning!
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
Lads, I know I know , last post on this , but just want to say best of luck to the Mayo lads on here tomorrow, should be a good one and enjoy the match .
You too, your Grace. Enjoy the day. It's great to have football in September always.
This is it. All joking aside, Dublin and Mayo fans should be like kids on Christmas Eve. 30 other counties would love to be looking forward to a semi (oh sailor!) mañana
I cannot wait for it. Might even have a wee beer
Not sure if Kerry would love to be looking forward to a semi.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 11:43:45 AM
A lost cause now, hard enough to compete against the 16 men of the mighty Mayo but without the second best player in the country after Superman , Mayo 3-14 Dublin 1-09.
Enjoy the match lads.
No seriously what's your actual prediction?
Horan on u t v i now.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
Yes, safe travelling to all who are attending. I for one wish I could but sure what can you do. I hope to see an improved Mayo performance and if they perform to their ability what else can you ask? I still have an uncomfortable feeling that Dublin have room to improve as well. May the best team win tomorrow (so long as it's Mayo!)
Farr, the day you don't have uncomfortable feelings before a Mayo match I'll be turning on Midwest to see if an emergency broadcast system is in place before an impending apocalypse.
Going to be cutting it fine arriving tomorrow, sure when in Rome.
;D
At JFK heading back from NY, that in itself not a big deal except I Just came back on Monday after draw. Maybe sans wife when I get back, but what the hell.
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Yes, safe travelling to all who are attending. I for one wish I could but sure what can you do. I hope to see an improved Mayo performance and if they perform to their ability what else can you ask? I still have an uncomfortable feeling that Dublin have room to improve as well. May the best team win tomorrow (so long as it's Mayo!)
Farr, the day you don't have uncomfortable feelings before a Mayo match I'll be turning on Midwest to see if an emergency broadcast system is in place before an impending apocalypse.
Going to be cutting it fine arriving tomorrow, sure when in Rome.
;D
At JFK heading back from NY, that in itself not a big deal except I Just came back on Monday after draw. Maybe sans wife when I get back, but what the hell.
Respect!
Look you can always get another wife. We re stuck with Mayo while we walk (or in your case fly) the earth.
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At JFK heading back from NY, that in itself not a big deal except I Just came back on Monday after draw. Maybe sans wife when I get back, but what the hell.
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Respect!
Look you can always get another wife. We re stuck with Mayo
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:D ;D
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2015, 09:28:13 PM
Yes, safe travelling to all who are attending. I for one wish I could but sure what can you do. I hope to see an improved Mayo performance and if they perform to their ability what else can you ask? I still have an uncomfortable feeling that Dublin have room to improve as well. May the best team win tomorrow (so long as it's Mayo!)
Farr, the day you don't have uncomfortable feelings before a Mayo match I'll be turning on Midwest to see if an emergency broadcast system is in place before an impending apocalypse.
Going to be cutting it fine arriving tomorrow, sure when in Rome.
;D
At JFK heading back from NY, that in itself not a big deal except I Just came back on Monday after draw. Maybe sans wife when I get back, but what the hell.
Respect!
Look you can always get another wife. We re stuck with Mayo while we walk (or in your case fly) the earth.
Unless you're from Ballagh. Then it's very optional.
I see you're off to Croker tomorra Syf.
Jases have you no shame or self respect :-[ :'(
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Yes, safe travelling to all who are attending. I for one wish I could but sure what can you do. I hope to see an improved Mayo performance and if they perform to their ability what else can you ask? I still have an uncomfortable feeling that Dublin have room to improve as well. May the best team win tomorrow (so long as it's Mayo!)
Farr, the day you don't have uncomfortable feelings before a Mayo match I'll be turning on Midwest to see if an emergency broadcast system is in place before an impending apocalypse.
Going to be cutting it fine arriving tomorrow, sure when in Rome.
;D
At JFK heading back from NY, that in itself not a big deal except I Just came back on Monday after draw. Maybe sans wife when I get back, but what the hell.
Respect!
Look you can always get another wife. We re stuck with Mayo while we walk (or in your case fly) the earth.
Unless you're from Ballagh. Then it's very optional.
Ballagh - the polygamy capital of Ireland.
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 04, 2015, 11:43:45 AM
A lost cause now, hard enough to compete against the 16 men of the mighty Mayo but without the second best player in the country after Superman , Mayo 3-14 Dublin 1-09.
Enjoy the match lads.
No seriously what's your actual prediction?
Dublin 3-16 Mayo 0-12
BREAKING NEWS: Diarmuid Connolly appeal to the DRA successful. He's clear to line out v @MayoGAA tomorrow. #UpTheDubs
Looks like the DRA have come up trumps for Connolly.
Wonder who's going to mark him? 8)
Quote from: Chimley on September 05, 2015, 05:38:48 AM
BREAKING NEWS: Diarmuid Connolly appeal to the DRA successful. He's clear to line out v @MayoGAA tomorrow. #UpTheDubs
Looks like the DRA have come up trumps for Connolly.
Seriously?
once again farce at gaa hq
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BREAKING NEWS: Diarmuid Connolly appeal to the DRA successful. He's clear to line out v @MayoGAA tomorrow. #UpTheDubs
Looks like the DRA have come up trumps for Connolly.
Seriously?
Nothing on RTE or Hoganstand yet, but Irish Times have it, but it contains zero detail and may only have come from the twitter rumour.
So still not sure its true, the tweet that started the rumour (from the official Dublin County Board twitter) came through at 5.02AM. Which is odd
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BREAKING NEWS: Diarmuid Connolly appeal to the DRA successful. He's clear to line out v @MayoGAA tomorrow. #UpTheDubs
Looks like the DRA have come up trumps for Connolly.
Seriously?
It's true
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/diarmuid-connolly-cleared-to-play-semi-final-against-mayo-1.2341615
edit to say, based on Times link, and not disputing Hound's musings above
I think Dublin could well give us a right hiding now :'(
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2015, 07:11:19 AM
I think Dublin could well give us a right hiding now :'(
I'd say!
Connolly can't possibly be properly prepared, although still a Connolly motoring at only 50% would be better than whatever alternative we were going to come up with.
As a few of us Dublin fans have been saying for a couple of years, especially when there was the nonsense talk of Dublin dominating for years to come, we have no replacements for Connolly and Flynn, and when they go we will be very much back in the pack. And so when they're off form we're not nearly as impressive looking.
Bloody hell, Connolly gets off. This changes everything, I would have said Mayo in his absence but not so sure now .
What an absolute farce. Seriously, they're at the stage where suspensions may as well be done away with.
Quote from: cicfada on September 05, 2015, 07:21:27 AM
Bloody hell, Connolly gets off. This changes everything, I would have said Mayo in his absence but not so sure now .
Paddy Power just changed their odds on Dublin from Evens to 4/5
It'll wipe out any over confidence in the Mayo camp, which might not be a bad thing for you guys
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2015, 07:11:19 AM
I think Dublin could well give us a right hiding now :'(
There is no way that Mayo were planning this game without Connolly being there. I'd have more fear of a Dublin side with a sense of injustice spurring them on.
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Quote from: cicfada on September 05, 2015, 07:21:27 AM
Bloody hell, Connolly gets off. This changes everything, I would have said Mayo in his absence but not so sure now .
Paddy Power just changed their odds on Dublin from Evens to 4/5
It'll wipe out any over confidence in the Mayo camp, which might not be a bad thing for you guys
How in the name of God could we have been over confident!.
its a huge boost for Dublin, no two ways about it. Anyway, just have to get on with it now and hopefully we have enough.
It's more unlikely now, but still doable.
Welcome back Dermo! :D
The odds on this thread going into meltdown for the day has shortened considerably too I bet. Safe travelling to all and I'll be back on here after the first half giving my own musings.
the mayo lad getting off after punching michael murphy has made a huge mess of things. thats two clear punches now where its been seen and both players sent off and both players cleared of suspension afterwards, how can they deem any other punches in the future to be more worthy of a suspension when these arent?
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Although I'm no fan of Connolly and his general attitude last week, I do feel sorry for him. Not knowing last night when going to bed if he was playing today is a compete joke. The GAA are a disgrace. Why are there 3 lines of appeal. What does the DRA consider that the CHC and CCCC don't. Why not go straight to the DRA. Why do they meet in the middle of the night, could they not have made this decision at a reasonable hour last night. Why are the GPA silent on an issue that is treating their players this way. Complete joke shop!
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2015, 07:11:19 AM
I think Dublin could well give us a right hiding now :'(
I'd say!
Connolly can't possibly be properly prepared, although still a Connolly motoring at only 50% would be better than whatever alternative we were going to come up with.
As a few of us Dublin fans have been saying for a couple of years, especially when there was the nonsense talk of Dublin dominating for years to come, we have no replacements for Connolly and Flynn, and when they go we will be very much back in the pack. And so when they're off form we're not nearly as impressive looking.
Pertinent point about Connolly's preparation but he always strikes me as been mentally strong, think he will be fine but their will be an affect on everyone. I actually think the decision and the circumstances now favour Mayo mentally. I have no doubt Mayo were prepared for this decision.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2015, 07:11:19 AM
I think Dublin could well give us a right hiding now :'(
I'd say!
Connolly can't possibly be properly prepared, although still a Connolly motoring at only 50% would be better than whatever alternative we were going to come up with.
As a few of us Dublin fans have been saying for a couple of years, especially when there was the nonsense talk of Dublin dominating for years to come, we have no replacements for Connolly and Flynn, and when they go we will be very much back in the pack. And so when they're off form we're not nearly as impressive looking.
Pertinent point about Connolly's preparation but he always strikes me as been mentally strong, think he will be fine but their will be an affect on everyone. I actually think the decision and the circumstances now favour Mayo mentally. I have no doubt Mayo were prepared for this decision.
Diarmuid Connolly never struck me as particularly mentally strong. Many teams have quite effectively used getting under his skin as a key tactic.
Valid point I mean performance wise he seems to deliver though even allowing for the trash talk and niggles bringing down the red mist.
The GAA is now in crisis . The Connolly appeal saga epitomises all that is wrong. I hope Dublin go on and win the All Ireland as they will be appropriate winners ( I won't say champions) of what is turning in to a vile code.
Mayo can't take any moral high ground either. Kerry have form in this area too.
Really don't care at this stage and may not watch today.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 05, 2015, 07:24:36 AM
What an absolute farce. Seriously, they're at the stage where suspensions may as well be done away with.
Keane much................... ::)
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Quote from: Tubberman on September 05, 2015, 07:24:36 AM
What an absolute farce. Seriously, they're at the stage where suspensions may as well be done away with.
Keane much................... ::)
Yes, he shouldn't have got off either. You'd do well to find anyone in Mayo who thought he should have.
And the criticism isn't aimed at Dublin (apart from blinkered supporters who actually think this is the correct decision), it's aimed at the ridiculous state of the GAA disciplinary system
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What an absolute farce. Seriously, they're at the stage where suspensions may as well be done away with.
Keane much................... ::)
Yes, he shouldn't have got off either. You'd do well to find anyone in Mayo who thought he should have.
And the criticism isn't aimed at Dublin (apart from blinkered supporters who actually think this is the correct decision), it's aimed at the ridiculous state of the GAA disciplinary system
I think you'll find a lot of Mayo fans were crying about it, saying Murphy should have gone as well for "striking" which of course was utter tripe.
Keane's ban shouldn't have been overturned, neither should Connolly's but Mayo fans can hardly complain. They probably paved the way for Connolly to get off, so tough shit.
Those two bans being overturned really undermine a referee who made the correct call on both occasions after consulting their linesmen and umpires.
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
What an absolute farce.
It's gonna get nasty today. Very nasty, I fear.
Some players may well be needing their jaw wired up after it.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 05, 2015, 09:26:31 AM
It's gonna get nasty today. Very nasty, I fear.
Some players may well be needing their jaw wired up after it.
Meanwhile Kerry are sitting back waiting to meet the remains of the winners in two weeks time. Dublin already have some walking wounded and mayo will likely be missing Vaughan for the remainder of the year.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 05, 2015, 09:26:31 AM
It's gonna get nasty today. Very nasty, I fear.
Some players may well be needing their jaw wired up after it.
That would be my fear too. It's going to be a war-zone today.
Whoever wins today is not going to the final as they'll likely have injuries and suspensions to deal with.
I'd expect something similar to the 1996 AI Final Replay.
Two teams who hate the sight of each other and two sets of fans in a similar boat now after the last week. Could well end up with punch ups in the Stand as well especially with alcohol on board. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
Anyway Connolly probably won't start as he was up till 3am this morning and Dublin internally had already announced their team with him not in it.
Hope Dermo starts for 2 reasons, he can't be 100% prepared and the dubs have no excuses.
The reasons for clearing him should be published by the g a a otherwise punching opponents is now part of the rules!
P.s. Keane's was a farce too but that was overturned on technical grounds.
Decision, nothing to do with the Keane decision
The Panel's decision related to lack of fair procedure afforded to Mr Connolly at an early stage in the GAA's internal disciplinary process which unfairly hindered the preparations for, and presentation of, his defence. Mr Connolly was thus free to play
A bad year for the GAA made worse.
The times were too short to present his evidence. So it's nothing to do with guilt or not of the strike its to do with the time to present his case.
We could all see the video evidence coming out as the week went on so I can see how that argument would stick. It's like getting a "stay" on proceedings.
But to be able to get a red card overturned because of that is a whole load of nonsense.
Apparently the DRA are sitting at half time in the unused cusack stand dressing rooms to hear the first half card appeals.
On the Sunday game Whelan said that a lot would depend on the disciplinary procedures during the week as he feared for Connolly Cooper and McMahon...........with all three likely to play surely the Dubs are strong favourites.........
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 05, 2015, 09:26:31 AM
It's gonna get nasty today. Very nasty, I fear.
Some players may well be needing their jaw wired up after it.
That would be my fear too. It's going to be a war-zone today.
Whoever wins today is not going to the final as they'll likely have injuries and suspensions to deal with.
I'd expect something similar to the 1996 AI Final Replay.
Two teams who hate the sight of each other and two sets of fans in a similar boat now after the last week. Could well end up with punch ups in the Stand as well especially with alcohol on board. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
Anyway Connolly probably won't start as he was up till 3am this morning and Dublin internally had already announced their team with him not in it.
I think, and I hope, that your attitude over the past week hasn't been typical of the majority of Dublin supporters
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Quote from: sid waddell on September 05, 2015, 09:26:31 AM
It's gonna get nasty today. Very nasty, I fear.
Some players may well be needing their jaw wired up after it.
That would be my fear too. It's going to be a war-zone today.
Whoever wins today is not going to the final as they'll likely have injuries and suspensions to deal with.
I'd expect something similar to the 1996 AI Final Replay.
Two teams who hate the sight of each other and two sets of fans in a similar boat now after the last week. Could well end up with punch ups in the Stand as well especially with alcohol on board. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
Anyway Connolly probably won't start as he was up till 3am this morning and Dublin internally had already announced their team with him not in it.
Although anything cold happen I expect the opposite to happen. After last weeks game both managements will be emphasising the need for discipline ad the players will be aware the referee may be anxious to stamp out any messing early. I expect a first 10 minutes of extremely fussy officiating. I hope the atmosphere isn't poisonous in the stands and everybody enjoys what should be a great game.
I am delighted. Connolly was completely wired the last day and is likely to be even worse today after the week he has had. Without even getting into his aggression, he was responsible for the two frees brought forward for mouthing to the ref. We didn't play Keane at all, but Gavin will start Connolly.
Those expecting nasty game can merely look at the same players who crossed the line the last time. There were around other 30 players on the pitch who never crossed any line anywhere. Why must we only highlight the negatives?
Yes the GAA disciplinary sytem is a complete farce. Hugh O'Flaherty is famous for his 'interventions'. ;D
But that is all part of the theatre.
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2015, 11:01:29 AM
I am delighted. Connolly was completely wired the last day and is likely to be even worse today after the week he has had. Without even getting into his aggression, he was responsible for the two frees brought forward for mouthing to the ref. We didn't play Keane at all, but Gavin will start Connolly.
Those expecting nasty game can merely look at the same players who crossed the line the last time. There were around other 30 players on the pitch who never crossed any line anywhere. Why must we only highlight the negatives?
Yes the GAA disciplinary sytem is a complete farce. Hugh O'Flaherty is famous for his 'interventions'. ;D
But that is all part of the theatre.
Whatever the reason, Keegan seems to grind his gears and takes his mind from the game. If Connolly starts, I think that particular battle will be a damp squib today as they will be watched like a hawk. They'll be like two subdued choirboys, but will probably have little influence on the game.
Quote from: maccer on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
Exactly. And why would parents want kids to choose a sport where the example from the top is to stand for nothing but winning at all costs? Not a shred of integrity left.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 05, 2015, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: maccer on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
Exactly. And why would parents want kids to choose a sport where the example from the top is to stand for nothing but winning at all costs? Not a shred of integrity left.
Rugby is now the first choice for many kids.
Connolly and Keegan will be the most watched players on the pitch today by all officials therefore I expect both of them to be very careful.
Remember if either of them sees red today one of them is in line to miss out on an All Ireland Final.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 05, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
Connolly and Keegan will be the most watched players on the pitch today by all officials therefore I expect both of them to be very careful.
Remember if either of them sees red today one of them is in line to miss out on an All Ireland Final.
After last night's antics I wouldn't even be sure if bringing a bat on the field and battering a player with it would result in a red card that had a suspension that sticks. Just ring the Dismissal Reversals Association and you're sorted.
I'm worried for Mayo today. I don't just mean on the scoreboard. Mayo players and fans, stay safe. Get the game over with and win or lose get out of Dublin sharpish.
Teo lurley with chat like that your a lolix
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 05, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
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Quote from: maccer on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
Exactly. And why would parents want kids to choose a sport where the example from the top is to stand for nothing but winning at all costs? Not a shred of integrity left.
Rugby is now the first choice for many kids.
Nonsense. This so called drift to Rugby is all agenda driven.
Soccer and Gaelic Football are still the kings in Irish sport.
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2015, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 05, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 05, 2015, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: maccer on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
Exactly. And why would parents want kids to choose a sport where the example from the top is to stand for nothing but winning at all costs? Not a shred of integrity left.
Rugby is now the first choice for many kids.
Nonsense. This so called drift to Rugby is all agenda driven.
Soccer and Gaelic Football are still the kings in Irish sport.
To quote Jerry Kiernan, nobody plays rugby.
Quote from: highorlow on September 05, 2015, 09:49:56 AM
Hope Dermo starts for 2 reasons, he can't be 100% prepared and the dubs have no excuses.
The reasons for clearing him should be published by the g a a otherwise punching opponents is now part of the rules!
P.s. Keane's was a farce too but that was overturned on technical grounds.
The Panel's decision related to lack of fair procedure afforded to Mr. Connolly at an early stage in the GAA's internal disciplinary process which unfairly hindered the preparations for, and presentation of, his defence. Mr Connolly was thus free to play in the replay of the above match on 5 September.
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2015, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 05, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 05, 2015, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: maccer on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
Exactly. And why would parents want kids to choose a sport where the example from the top is to stand for nothing but winning at all costs? Not a shred of integrity left.
Rugby is now the first choice for many kids.
Nonsense. This so called drift to Rugby is all agenda driven.
Soccer and Gaelic Football are still the kings in Irish sport.
Fair enough, Gaelic and soccer are the most popular field sports in this country but the numbers of kids joining rugby clubs around the country are growing steadily. You can put this down to the international dimension, the increased exposure thanks to television or he popularity of BOD and ROG, not to mention PO'C or whatever you like but the fact is that rugby is gaining in popularity.
For me, the consistency of the rules is a big factor. Rugger buggers don't need DRAs and CCCCs and Uncle Tom Cobley and all to sort out disputes about ref's decisions on the field of play.
I reffed a fair few underage games in my time and the only rule I bothered about was number 8; "The referee shall be sole judge of Law and Fact during a match."
(I think that's now Rule 6A4 but the concept remains the same.)
Only a masochist would want to be in Eddie Kinsella's boots today.
Every time he sticks the whistle in his gob, he knows he's likely to get abuse from somewhere and his decisions may be examined and analysed in detail on national TV or by a string of GAA appeals committees. He may be the referee but he isn't the final arbitrator when he makes a decision on the field of play and he knows it.
I know Joe Mac made a horse's haemes out of his job last Sunday but for every mistake that cost Mayo dearly, I'd say any Dub will have one to balance it.
Any middle-aged man shouldn't be expected to keep up with the play for the full duration of the game when all of the players can manage to take a breather once in a while.
Either clarify the rules or give the ref a segway, there's no other way out.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 05, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 05, 2015, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: maccer on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
Exactly. And why would parents want kids to choose a sport where the example from the top is to stand for nothing but winning at all costs? Not a shred of integrity left.
Rugby is now the first choice for many kids.
Only snobs play rugby and that's a fact . if you don't go to private school in Dublin you'll never see a rugby ball
Quote from: Teo Lurley on September 05, 2015, 11:28:37 AM
I'm worried for Mayo today. I don't just mean on the scoreboard. Mayo players and fans, stay safe. Get the game over with and win or lose get out of Dublin sharpish.
Dont talk nonsense.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 05, 2015, 09:26:31 AM
It's gonna get nasty today. Very nasty, I fear.
Some players may well be needing their jaw wired up after it.
That would be my fear too. It's going to be a war-zone today.
Whoever wins today is not going to the final as they'll likely have injuries and suspensions to deal with.
I'd expect something similar to the 1996 AI Final Replay.
Two teams who hate the sight of each other and two sets of fans in a similar boat now after the last week. Could well end up with punch ups in the Stand as well especially with alcohol on board. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
Anyway Connolly probably won't start as he was up till 3am this morning and Dublin internally had already announced their team with him not in it.
I think, and I hope, that your attitude over the past week hasn't been typical of the majority of Dublin supporters
Couldn't care less. Your only happy when you're able to dictate the agenda here and insult Dublin and the people who live there. We've had some of our verbally and racially abused by your fans on social media .
You don't like it when you get back in spades . Do you want some sauce for those chips ?
I don't give a rats ass on what technicality he got off on. Both of them should have been suspended and if that wasn't the case then neither should be suspended - and not just one because a mayo player after he strikes a dublin player on the ground and goes crying to the linesman about the previous incident .
It was laughable that it ever had to go to the DRA. I don't care if we win or lose today - justice was done and that's bigger then winning any football game
Have Dublin named a team yet? Who'll start instead of Rory O'Carroll? Has he left the hospital yet?
Jeez Indy you never cease to amaze me with your posts.Does this mean the war you were starting during the week is on hold for today?
The Mayo Bull must feel there is no justice!
Just heading for the Big Smoke. As a Mayoman I'm glad Connolly has been freed up to play. Had the situation been reversed I think most Mayo people would have felt hard done by if our player was banned after being dragged to the ground. All these lads are amateurs and have invested years of their lives giving us such pleasure. It is difficult sometimes to see the disciplinary standards applied in the highly paid Premier League, where lads play week in week out and get paid irregardless of suspensions etc, being applied to Gaelic football. I'm not condoning thuggery in any form but to be fair (and despite all the invective on the board this past week) the two most serious injuries last week were the accidental clash of the two Dubs(as was the case in Limerick last year) and the cut to Carroll which also looked accidental.
Best of luck to both teams.
Having been at every Mayo semi-final appearance since 1967 I don't care what kind of game it is as long as we come out the right side of the result. Safe journey to all travelling.
In time honoured fashion I will be supporting whichever team wins today (hopefully Mayo) in the final.
Really looking forward to this again today. Best wishes to both teams for a great game. Mayo by 2.
Didn't happen last week hopefully this game lives up to its high expectations of a classic. Dublin to win by 3 points
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Have Dublin named a team yet? Who'll start instead of Rory O'Carroll? Has he left the hospital yet?
Dermo isn't in the 26 so you can rest easy.
Hope your lads had a good stay in the Johnstown House yesterday? Central Council paying for that too?
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 12:33:36 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 05, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 05, 2015, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: maccer on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
Exactly. And why would parents want kids to choose a sport where the example from the top is to stand for nothing but winning at all costs? Not a shred of integrity left.
Rugby is now the first choice for many kids.
Only snobs play rugby and that's a fact . if you don't go to private school in Dublin you'll never see a rugby ball
I take it you are just messing. :D
There are kids from Patrician College in Finglas South who play with Ashbourne underage teams. There is or was until lately, kids from the Blanch/Coolmine area play with the Coolmine club and the community college there fielded team,s in the Leinster "A" competitions. (Again, it's a few years since I was involved but I don't think the situation has changed or I'd have heard of it)
I haven't been keeping up to speed with the underage scene in Dublin for a number of years but I've a nephew who played underage with a team in Tallaght and ASAIK, the team is still going strong and if it pals competitive games there must be others in the same boat.
Look, here in Donnycarney, right in front of Diarmuid Connolly's door, you'll see kids going about wearing Leinster jerseys.
Te wolf is at the door Indy, there is no point ignoring it.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 01:13:14 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Have Dublin named a team yet? Who'll start instead of Rory O'Carroll? Has he left the hospital yet?
Dermo isn't in the 26 so you can rest easy.
Hope your lads had a good stay in the Johnstown House yesterday? Central Council paying for that too?
I didn't ask about Dermo. I asked about Rory O'Carroll, with his concussion and 10-12 stitches. Who will start ahead of him? Surprised there hasn't been more talked about this during the week, actually.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 05, 2015, 01:13:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 12:33:36 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 05, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 05, 2015, 11:11:09 AM
Quote from: maccer on September 05, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
Who cares anymore?
how can underage mentors try to instill discipline on hard to manage teens when they can point to this. For an association that looked down their noses are soccer for years this is farcical. I give up.
but sure who cares the money is coming in and a horde will be delirious tonight
Exactly. And why would parents want kids to choose a sport where the example from the top is to stand for nothing but winning at all costs? Not a shred of integrity left.
Rugby is now the first choice for many kids.
Only snobs play rugby and that's a fact . if you don't go to private school in Dublin you'll never see a rugby ball
I take it you are just messing. :D
There are kids from Patrician College in Finglas South who play with Ashbourne underage teams.
I haven't been keeping up to speed with the underage scene in Dublin for a number of years but I've a nephew who played underage with a team in Tallaght and ASAIK, the team is still going strong and if it pals competitive games there must be others in the same boat.
Look, here in Donnycarney, right in front of Diarmuid Connolly's door, you'll see kids going about wearing Leinster jerseys.
Te wolf is at the door Indy, there is no point ignoring it.
They'll be finished with rugby when they are 18. They have no chance of playing for Leinster and when they see that it'll wear off. When mammy and daddy start seeing all the supplements they'll be told to take and the catastrophic schools rugby injuries that are never reported- they'll pack it in soon enough unless they are Robbie Henshaw. See in our club all the time- a heap of them go to Belvedere and when they are 17 they always come back
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 01:19:00 PM
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Have Dublin named a team yet? Who'll start instead of Rory O'Carroll? Has he left the hospital yet?
Dermo isn't in the 26 so you can rest easy.
Hope your lads had a good stay in the Johnstown House yesterday? Central Council paying for that too?
I didn't ask about Dermo. I asked about Rory O'Carroll, with his concussion and 10-12 stitches. Who will start ahead of him? Surprised there hasn't been more talked about this during the week, actually.
Rory is on his back from Lourdes. He's doing a fitness test with Pope Francis.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 01:19:00 PM
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Have Dublin named a team yet? Who'll start instead of Rory O'Carroll? Has he left the hospital yet?
Dermo isn't in the 26 so you can rest easy.
Hope your lads had a good stay in the Johnstown House yesterday? Central Council paying for that too?
I didn't ask about Dermo. I asked about Rory O'Carroll, with his concussion and 10-12 stitches. Who will start ahead of him? Surprised there hasn't been more talked about this during the week, actually.
Rory is on his back from Lourdes. He's doing a fitness test with Pope Francis.
Oh thank God, thank God. I'm glad some good has come of all this awful business and that poor man is returned from Death's door. I've been praying for him all week. This is such a relief.
Expect the game to be far better than last weeks. I think both teams over-thought the game last week and went at with an attitude of not losing it rather than going out to win it. I expect both teams to throw the shackles off a bit more today though the hitting will still be serious.
Disappointed by the tone of some of the posting on this game and by the general atmosphere around the game. We seem to be over-analysing stuff now with multiple photographic and video evidence being used to tarnish players who did a lot less than many lads in the past. Nothing happened on the field last week that 90% of lads who played football didn't do themselves at some point. It was pretty mild compared to what happened in the 70's, 80's and 90's for sure so calling lads thugs etc. is ridiculous and lads should temper their posts a bit.
There is an Ireland England rugby match, an All Ireland hurling final and two important Irish world cup qualifier matches on this weekend yet this game is overshadowing them all. Mayo and Dublin fans should be thankful they have teams that mean they are and will be in some of the biggest sporting occasions in Ireland year in year out. You have some of the best footballers of their generations and both of them deliver on the big stage year in year out. Enjoy it boys and girls, most of the rest of us would swap places with you in a heart beat.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on September 05, 2015, 11:28:37 AM
I'm worried for Mayo today. I don't just mean on the scoreboard. Mayo players and fans, stay safe. Get the game over with and win or lose get out of Dublin sharpish.
I hear bears are attracted to your menstruation. Idiot
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 01:13:14 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Have Dublin named a team yet? Who'll start instead of Rory O'Carroll? Has he left the hospital yet?
Dermo isn't in the 26 so you can rest easy.
Hope your lads had a good stay in the Johnstown House yesterday? Central Council paying for that too?
I didn't ask about Dermo. I asked about Rory O'Carroll, with his concussion and 10-12 stitches. Who will start ahead of him? Surprised there hasn't been more talked about this during the week, actually.
Rory is on his back from Lourdes. He's doing a fitness test with Pope Francis.
Oh thank God, thank God. I'm glad some good has come of all this awful business and that poor man is returned from Death's door. I've been praying for him all week. This is such a relief.
I'll pass on your concerns. He'll appreciate them.
How's Aidan's Fringe? Did it survive last week?
Any truth about the dubs having to drop their sub goalie to facilitate diarmuid?
Quote from: Zulu on September 05, 2015, 02:00:10 PM
Expect the game to be far better than last weeks. I think both teams over-thought the game last week and went at with an attitude of not losing it rather than going out to win it. I expect both teams to throw the shackles off a bit more today though the hitting will still be serious.
Disappointed by the tone of some of the posting on this game and by the general atmosphere around the game. We seem to be over-analysing stuff now with multiple photographic and video evidence being used to tarnish players who did a lot less than many lads in the past. Nothing happened on the field last week that 90% of lads who played football didn't do themselves at some point. It was pretty mild compared to what happened in the 70's, 80's and 90's for sure so calling lads thugs etc. is ridiculous and lads should temper their posts a bit.
There is an Ireland England rugby match, an All Ireland hurling final and two important Irish world cup qualifier matches on this weekend yet this game is overshadowing them all. Mayo and Dublin fans should be thankful they have teams that mean they are and will be in some of the biggest sporting occasions in Ireland year in year out. You have some of the best footballers of their generations and both of them deliver on the big stage year in year out. Enjoy it boys and girls, most of the rest of us would swap places with you in a heart beat.
Mighty post, Zoo.
I agree with you 100%.
It's pity things got a wee bit out of hand on this thread but let's hope there will be no reason for acrimony after today's game. May it be a hard, manly game and I'll back whoever wins today the best of luck for the final.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 01:13:14 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 05, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Have Dublin named a team yet? Who'll start instead of Rory O'Carroll? Has he left the hospital yet?
Dermo isn't in the 26 so you can rest easy.
Hope your lads had a good stay in the Johnstown House yesterday? Central Council paying for that too?
I didn't ask about Dermo. I asked about Rory O'Carroll, with his concussion and 10-12 stitches. Who will start ahead of him? Surprised there hasn't been more talked about this during the week, actually.
Rory is on his back from Lourdes. He's doing a fitness test with Pope Francis.
Oh thank God, thank God. I'm glad some good has come of all this awful business and that poor man is returned from Death's door. I've been praying for him all week. This is such a relief.
I'll pass on your concerns. He'll appreciate them.
How's Aidan's Fringe? Did it survive last week?
You've completely lost the plot ;D
Good luck Mayo.
Five minute delay, the Dub fans have to finish their cans of Dutch Gold first.
A few lazarus style recoveries here!
Referee letting plenty go, and the high ball into O'Shea not working , so far.
A player holding his face ?
Great start and some say COC doesn't contribute form play, great point.
Mayo are a bit devoid of ideas once they get over the 45. Still doing well though.o'shea far better outfield.
A wee dive there from the big lad ?.
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2015, 05:23:48 PM
A wee dive there from the big lad ?.
Ah come on, this is a class, fast paced game with some great scores - just enjoy it!!
Points fest - some lovely scores here.
Eddie not taking any shit !
Change needed on Paddy Andrews.
Ref doing a great job. Both teams mainly playing football mind.
Mayo need to stop hoofing big balls into AO'S
It isn't working & is causing them to lose momentum.
They are much better when they run at Dublin.
They need to move himout to chf.
What a great game of football ;D ;D ;D ;D
Some serious scores. Really enjoying this
The scoring here is brilliant. Great game.
Nothing between them.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
Great start and some say COC doesn't contribute form play, great point.
He's done shag all else. The brother is a much more natural footballer.
Great game by all involved.... Lets hope the numpties on next reflect that with their views on the game
Raging I couldn't go. Great game, mighty scores by both teams.
Mayo level but once they get by 45 they lack ideas bar a hoof in. I worry this may catch up wi them. :(
Paddy Andrews the best forward on show in that half you wouldn't think Connolly is even playing. Much better game than last week.
Connolly not really in the game at all.
Pull AOS out, but Barry Moran at FF. Give Dublin something to think about.
Fabulous stuff by Andrews so far, kind of reminds me of Linden's first half v Derry in 94
Kilkenny been v good as well
I think that mayo were the fitter team last week. That might tell but Dubs to play the McManamon card yet and this type of game is made for his runs. A couple of Dublin goals could be on the cards. In the balance
Black
Don't think that's a black IMO
To be fair it's not like Johnny. He's not that sort of player.
;)
Stupid, stupid, but not a black.
For God's sake, how did the officials come up with that?
Quote from: tyroneboi on September 05, 2015, 06:04:03 PM
Don't think that's a black IMO
Clear black card he pulled him down. Cooper was acting the maggot but he shouldn't have retalliated!!
Cooper is a little knack and always has been but that was stupid from O'Shea. He hasn't been contributing much so be interesting to see how much he's actually missed.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 05, 2015, 06:05:05 PM
For God's sake, how did the officials come up with that?
Cos the black is subjective. Most reckon that the ball should be near the scene of the crime.
But Eddie doesn't seem to agree.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
Great start and some say COC doesn't contribute form play, great point.
He's done shag all else. The brother is a much more natural footballer.
;D
4 up. 28 left.
Some contest in store.
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2015, 06:07:14 PM
Quote from: BluestackBoy on September 05, 2015, 06:05:05 PM
For God's sake, how did the officials come up with that?
Cos the black is subjective. Most reckon that the ball should be near the scene of the crime.
But Eddie doesn't seem to agree.
A deliberate pull down is a deliberate pull down. Black card!
Great goal Mayo goin well!!
Switch of hands goal should have been disallowed.
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Quote from: tyroneboi on September 05, 2015, 06:04:03 PM
Don't think that's a black IMO
Clear black card he pulled him down. Cooper was acting the maggot but he shouldn't have retalliated!!
I thought the whole idea was that the man being fouled would be in possesion!!!!!
So if there is a wee schemozzle and you're wrestling with your opponent and he goes to ground after you wrestle him to the ground, is that a black too ?.
Is Connolly still playing ?
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Great start and some say COC doesn't contribute form play, great point.
He's done shag all else. The brother is a much more natural footballer.
;D
I knew that would come back but he got away with blatant foul on the ball. On top of that, Moran took some number of steps!
Some game now.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Switch of hands goal should have been disallowed.
Will they bring that to the DRA?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Switch of hands goal should have been disallowed.
Does anybody know the rules in here?? Nonsense!
Yellow rather than black I'd have thought.
However if it's main effect is to move Aidan o'Shea out the field and end the wasteful long balls it could end up being a positive for Mayo.
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
So if there is a wee schemozzle and you're wrestling with your opponent and he goes to ground after you wrestle him to the ground, is that a black too ?.
The rule is clear if you deliberately pull someone to the ground its a black card. Doesn't mention anything about possession!!
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Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
So if there is a wee schemozzle and you're wrestling with your opponent and he goes to ground after you wrestle him to the ground, is that a black too ?.
The rule is clear if you deliberately pull someone to the ground its a black card. Doesn't mention anything about possession!!
So open to interpretation.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 05, 2015, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
So if there is a wee schemozzle and you're wrestling with your opponent and he goes to ground after you wrestle him to the ground, is that a black too ?.
The rule is clear if you deliberately pull someone to the ground its a black card. Doesn't mention anything about possession!!
So open to interpretation.
No... If you pull someone down its a black card!
Great game of football!!!
Quote from: screenexile on September 05, 2015, 06:13:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Switch of hands goal should have been disallowed.
Does anybody know the rules in here?? Nonsense!
My understanding is that you can switch hands once? If it wasn't a goal then it was probably a penalty.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 05, 2015, 06:15:30 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2015, 06:12:00 PM
So if there is a wee schemozzle and you're wrestling with your opponent and he goes to ground after you wrestle him to the ground, is that a black too ?.
The rule is clear if you deliberately pull someone to the ground its a black card. Doesn't mention anything about possession!!
So open to interpretation.
No... If you pull someone down its a black card!
Great game of football!!!
In each and every case ?
What a fluke !
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2015, 06:20:54 PM
What a fluke !
Nothing flukey about it. Brilliant reaction from brogan.
Feck sake. That dirty hallion too.
Throw ball all day long!!
Purple spell
2-2 in 3/4 mins
Some swing :o
Andy Moran is being carried on that team he's not up to the speed of that game...nice footballer but just not up to the speed required for this
Can't see a comback from this.
Quote from: thebar on September 05, 2015, 06:25:35 PM
Andy Moran is being carried on that team he's not up to the speed of that game...nice footballer but just not up to the speed required for this
Aside from the great work for the goal you mean??
Fitness levels are crazy.... Well above a professional soccer player
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2015, 06:27:17 PM
Fitness levels are crazy.... Well above a professional soccer player
Phenomenal!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2015, 06:27:17 PM
Fitness levels are crazy.... Well above a professional soccer player
I don't know what the fitness levels of a full time soccer player might be but the levels of fitness of these 2 teams is incredible. I'd love to see the gps readings.
Oops he did it again.
Cant see a comeback from this. Fair play Dublin!!
Jeez, McManaman can take a goal!
Great impact sub.. Great goal... Well done Dublin.. Showed their character
The guys who can't even be listened to after a draw will be some fun to listen to now.
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Quote from: thebar on September 05, 2015, 06:25:35 PM
Andy Moran is being carried on that team he's not up to the speed of that game...nice footballer but just not up to the speed required for this
Aside from the great work for the goal you mean??
His fitness level is not up to the level of those around him anyone can see that....for the goal he lay of the ball to the man in a better position...would expect that of any decent footballer in the same position
Overcarried, throw ball and foul on keeper. Just give them Sam now and don't bother playing the final.
Fair play to Dublin best team on the day. Gutted, abdolutely gutted for the lads. What can you do when there's no game plan in 2nd half.
Dublin have about 7 or 8 scoring forwards in squad. Mayo have nowhere near.just too good for them.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 05, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
Switch of hands goal should have been disallowed.
Does anybody know the rules in here?? Nonsense!
My understanding is that you can switch hands once? If it wasn't a goal then it was probably a penalty.
He didn't switch hands, he threw it from one hand to the other
Well done Dublin.
When you concede 3-15 you can have little complaint. Scoring 1-14 would win a lot of games but it takes more than that when playing the likes of Dublin.
Commiserations to Mayo. I'd loved to have seen them win the AI. But alas, back to the drawing board.
Fair play to Dublin, the better team on the day.
Once Mayo scored their goal they just stopped playing.
Congratulations to Dublin and hope they beat Kerry now.
Mayo badly lacking from the sideline. Dublin learned their lessons and the subs made a difference. Once mayo scored the goal, they could not make it stick. Dublin were there for the taking at that stage as they were struggling all over the pitch but no composure or discernible game plan allowed them to score two goals in a minute and that was game over. How they were let get those scores is down to organisation.
Mayo have their sob story over the red card being rescinded. As soon as they had that excuse to lose they were finished.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 05, 2015, 06:27:17 PM
Fitness levels are crazy.... Well above a professional soccer player
Show us your data.
Game won and lost on the bench.
Mayo had a poor plan, and eventually it told. Jim Gavin's substitutions were timely and turned the game.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 05, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
Mayo have their sob story over the red card being rescinded. As soon as they had that excuse to lose they were finished.
Classless bullshit
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 05, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
Mayo have their sob story over the red card being rescinded. As soon as they had that excuse to lose they were finished.
You, sir, are a w**ker and a coward .
Mayo goalkeeper cost them that game. Nevertheless dublin 1 gaa rules /Dra 0
Quote from: BennyCake on September 05, 2015, 06:36:56 PM
Overcarried, throw ball and foul on keeper. Just give them Sam now and don't bother playing the final.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Fair play to Dublin, great win and played very well, especially after going 4 down. Showed a bit of heart that I thought they lacked. Big decision by Kinsella to black card Seamus O'Se, I think it was a big loss to Mayo.
Well done to Dubs. After Mayo scored the goal they stopped playing and the Dubs stepped it up a gear. That Mayo side proved today they dont have the heart to win an All Ireland. Time for some new blood out west.
Congratulations to Dublin
Gutted, we had it under control before the goals and let it slip
Good luck in the final
Very very well done Dublin. Much better game today and deserved winners. Fenton and Andrews exceptional as was McMahon. Mayo just didnt really seem to know what they were trying to do with aidan o shea and wasted a lot of ball. Hard luck to them but im just delighted that was a very good game in a good spirit with very little bullshit from either side.
Oh and well done Eddie Kinsella. I thought he got nearly everything spot on.
A black card all day long, don't know why boys saying it wasn't. Dublin showed more ambition and drive in the second half.
The best team over the two games won well done to Dublin. Back to back semi final defeats for Mayo however they could be back to reach the final next year as Kerry will likely play Dublin in the other semi final.
Words come back to me now, from Ballina in the aftermath of our somewhat shocking thumping of Mayo in the League: "our chance is gone, in the last year or two..." said he. I fear it has, just not good enough, alas.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on September 05, 2015, 06:54:29 PM
A black card all day long, don't know why boys saying it wasn't. Dublin showed more ambition and drive in the second half.
Because it favoured the Dubs i suspect.
Great game that! Thought Mayo we're going to kick on but Dublin and Gavin showed great courage in the last 15 minutes. Ciaran Kilkenny was outstanding. Love watching a player who keeps his head up and always knows where the space is around him. Seamus O'Shea brilliant for nearly 40 minutes as well - a huge and unfortunate blow for Mayo to lose him.
Hard to feel sorry for mayo when they've so many sob stories. Do they just not have the balls for it. The game was there for them and they stopped
Which Mayo player was meant to be marking or tracking Philly McMahon?
Was it not aiden o'shea?
How often were they just kicking aimless brainless balls in the general direction of the Dublin square....?
Quote from: An Watcher on September 05, 2015, 07:13:37 PM
Hard to feel sorry for mayo when they've so many sob stories. Do they just not have the balls for it. The game was there for them and they stopped
Not about having the balls. Dublin just had far more firepower, ie much better forwards.
Hard luck to Mayo- magnificent over two games - though it will mean nothing to them and their fans. We have a deeper squad than them, simple as that. Gavin had more cards to play then the Mayo management, and to be fair, he played them well. All I can say is remember Dubs in 95 who used heartbreak as fuel. Ye will be back.
As for people saying we proved our character, we did that in 2011 and in 2013 - we have nothing left to prove on that score.
Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
Once they were over the 45 mayo had nothing. The boys further back carried them but it was just too much. Dublin could put 6 or 7 boys in there who'd be effective.
Quote from: Chimley on September 05, 2015, 05:55:38 PM
I think that mayo were the fitter team last week. That might tell but Dubs to play the McManamon card yet and this type of game is made for his runs. A couple of Dublin goals could be on the cards. In the balance
Would you have a go at the lotto numbers for next weekend. Spot on my friend
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 05, 2015, 06:49:33 PM
Fair play to Dublin, great win and played very well, especially after going 4 down. Showed a bit of heart that I thought they lacked. Big decision by Kinsella to black card Seamus O'Se, I think it was a big loss to Mayo.
Agree with this and if the black wasn't bad enough dublin sprung Michael Darragh from the bench and he ran amok. Dublin just about coped with losing their midfield last week - mayo didn't.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 05, 2015, 07:21:01 PM
Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
That would cillian o Connor who scored the same as brogan from play???
Mayo's lack of a coherent attacking plan and those terrible lapses for the goals their undoing. Dubs played well though and their bench was excellent. Connolly, Flynn, Bastick, Rock all anonymous really but MDMA, McManamon, Brogan, Fitzsimons all made an impact when brought on and that was the difference.
Keegan missed a really really easy chance that would have put Mayo 5 up and I think that ultimately disrupted Mayo's rhythm and left the door ajar for the Dubs... I didn't think they'd bust the door down though they finished ridiculously strong!
Great game roll on the final!
Quote from: BennyCake on September 05, 2015, 06:36:56 PM
Overcarried, throw ball and foul on keeper. Just give them Sam now and don't bother playing the final.
1.no more or less than moran did for mayo's goal.
2. throw ball - dont think so. would need to see a replay
3. foul - seriously ? get a grip
A titanic encounter over the 2 games and in the end, well deserved by the Dubs, they never let their heads lie after conceding the goal and worked hard to hit to hit their golden patch from which there was no comeback for Mayo.
Mayo had it in their grasp if they had guile when they got the goal. Started to make them more erratic up front rather than fill them with confidence afterwards.
Mayo destroyed themselves with their over-reliance on AOS at FF, pumping the ball into him when better and closer options were available. Two men on him at all times and usually a third was quick to help out. They moved AOS to the middle for the final quarter and the two men marking him came with, leaving COC and Andy/Freeman 2-on-2 inside but they never really had enough ball to capitalise.
More structure going forward and Mayo could easily have won. Suffed at Dublin's 45 regularly, I thought back to us in our D3 days for the standard of attacking invention Mayo offered today.
Connelly/Holmes haven't added much of anything to Mayo this year, AOS at FF was fine but these two games exposed that there was no improvement in attacking play and if anything there was an overall regression. All well and good bullying Sligo and a shot Donegal but this what when the new management were properly tested and they failed.
How Jason Doherty lasted the match without any impact as midfielder and back were cycled in and out is beyond me. Strange substitutions, in the end the only midfielder Mayo had left on the field was the one who started at FF all year.
I couldn't help but think Mayo wouldn't have been as undercooked going forward if McStay was managing them. He showed an adaptability that Mayo sorely lacked today. Their loss might be our gain..
Very fortunate Dublin win in the end. Mayo outplayed us for the first 55 minutes.
lee Keegan had an opportunity to put them 5 up. If he kicks that we aren't coming back. Small margins.
Backs were largely destroyed outside Mc Carthy and Philly who had O Se in his pocket.
Flynn is way off the pace. Rock not up to it and Bastick is a 20 minute man.
Fenton was brilliant I thought and Andrews was out of this world ably assisted by kilkenny.
Connolly shouldn't have played really was anonymous- I think the booing every time he touched the ball was a bit much.
Alan Brogan was outstanding as was Kev Mac when they came on. MDMA did better too.
Mayo just don't have the composure for some reason. The players are there but it's a question of whether they can make real time good decisions when the game is in the melting pot because they had that game won. I feel for their fans its rough going falling marginally short every year. But they have to improve on that.
I don't know whether having people associated with 1996 is good on the sideline. I think Mayo need someone like Pat Gilroy- someone of that ilk.
As regards the final. I can't see us winning it. Kerry have too many answers in too many positions. So that should will ensure some level of equilibrium is kept around the country.
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Quote from: BennyCake on September 05, 2015, 06:36:56 PM
Overcarried, throw ball and foul on keeper. Just give them Sam now and don't bother playing the final.
1.no more or less than moran did for mayo's goal.
2. throw ball - dont think so. would need to see a replay
3. foul - seriously ? get a grip
There was no conceivable way Brogan didn't throw the ball but it was difficult for ref to see so If give him the benefit of the doubt. Fair play to the majority of the Mayo lads taking the defeat in the right spirit. I hope that team comes back and cam unearth one or two forwards.
I actually thought O'Connor was excellent today given the limited ball he had but the ball into the forward line was clueless too often.
Really looking forward to the final!
Was Barry Moran injured?
Mayo kicked some seriously aimless ball into the FF line.
Very frustrating to watch.
Kicked some great long range scores in the first half but as Dublin found out against Donegal last year, you'll only get so many of them.
Robbie Hennelly lost the head a bit, I can't understand some of the subs and McLoughlin was terrible - congratulations to Dublin, they were the better team and deserved to win
Quote from: dublin7 on September 05, 2015, 07:21:01 PM
Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
that's really harsh. If you ever played the game or done a bit of coaching you'd know he's one of the top forwards in the country. If he got found out then what have to say about dean rock who had a far stronger supporting cast around him but for the 2nd week in a row went missing. O Connor is a bit like Conor Mcmanus - he carries a far bigger workload than he should have to.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 07:50:02 PM
Very fortunate Dublin win in the end. Mayo outplayed us for the first 55 minutes.
lee Keegan had an opportunity to put them 5 up. If he kicks that we aren't coming back. Small margins.
Backs were largely destroyed outside Mc Carthy and Philly who had O Se in his pocket.
Flynn is way off the pace. Rock not up to it and Bastick is a 20 minute man.
Fenton was brilliant I thought and Andrews was out of this world ably assisted by kilkenny.
Connolly shouldn't have played really was anonymous- I think the booing every time he touched the ball was a bit much.
Alan Brogan was outstanding as was Kev Mac when they came on. MDMA did better too.
Mayo just don't have the composure for some reason. The players are there but it's a question of whether they can make real time good decisions when the game is in the melting pot because they had that game won. I feel for their fans its rough going falling marginally short every year. But they have to improve on that.
I don't know whether having people associated with 1996 is good on the sideline. I think Mayo need someone like Pat Gilroy- someone of that ilk.
As regards the final. I can't see us winning it. Kerry have too many answers in too many positions. So that should will ensure some level of equilibrium is kept around the country.
we don't have the forwards
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 05, 2015, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 07:50:02 PM
Very fortunate Dublin win in the end. Mayo outplayed us for the first 55 minutes.
lee Keegan had an opportunity to put them 5 up. If he kicks that we aren't coming back. Small margins.
Backs were largely destroyed outside Mc Carthy and Philly who had O Se in his pocket.
Flynn is way off the pace. Rock not up to it and Bastick is a 20 minute man.
Fenton was brilliant I thought and Andrews was out of this world ably assisted by kilkenny.
Connolly shouldn't have played really was anonymous- I think the booing every time he touched the ball was a bit much.
Alan Brogan was outstanding as was Kev Mac when they came on. MDMA did better too.
Mayo just don't have the composure for some reason. The players are there but it's a question of whether they can make real time good decisions when the game is in the melting pot because they had that game won. I feel for their fans its rough going falling marginally short every year. But they have to improve on that.
I don't know whether having people associated with 1996 is good on the sideline. I think Mayo need someone like Pat Gilroy- someone of that ilk.
As regards the final. I can't see us winning it. Kerry have too many answers in too many positions. So that should will ensure some level of equilibrium is kept around the country.
we don't have the forwards
Nah. You don't have a plan. Once AOS at FF didn't work the players couldn't adapt. I'd put that on management as much as not having forwards. Anyone can kick the ball over the bar if the build up play is good - Mayo's was really poor today.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 05, 2015, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 07:50:02 PM
Very fortunate Dublin win in the end. Mayo outplayed us for the first 55 minutes.
lee Keegan had an opportunity to put them 5 up. If he kicks that we aren't coming back. Small margins.
Backs were largely destroyed outside Mc Carthy and Philly who had O Se in his pocket.
Flynn is way off the pace. Rock not up to it and Bastick is a 20 minute man.
Fenton was brilliant I thought and Andrews was out of this world ably assisted by kilkenny.
Connolly shouldn't have played really was anonymous- I think the booing every time he touched the ball was a bit much.
Alan Brogan was outstanding as was Kev Mac when they came on. MDMA did better too.
Mayo just don't have the composure for some reason. The players are there but it's a question of whether they can make real time good decisions when the game is in the melting pot because they had that game won. I feel for their fans its rough going falling marginally short every year. But they have to improve on that.
I don't know whether having people associated with 1996 is good on the sideline. I think Mayo need someone like Pat Gilroy- someone of that ilk.
As regards the final. I can't see us winning it. Kerry have too many answers in too many positions. So that should will ensure some level of equilibrium is kept around the country.
we don't have the forwards
You had them for 55 mins. Fenton got straight down the middle for two goals . Same as last week. Small margins
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
Well done Dublin. Kicked on when it mattered in contrast to us after Cillian goal. Will see how I feel after 15 pints of powtaar tonight....
Quote from: maigheo on September 05, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
It's a fair point. Mayo may have made the wrong choice last Autumn. Tactics today were brutal. No real push on Cluxton's kickouts to exploit Dublin's weak middle, no ideas past kicking it to AOS. Caught on the Dublin 45 so often. Management had a whole match last week to think around those things and they seemed to arrive with very little different today.
Also thought Aslan were class. Great to see Christy Dignam in fine form.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 05, 2015, 07:21:01 PM
Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
1-15 compared to 1-14 today and Mayo managed to score more from play in the replay. What let them down was defensively 3-15 is too much and Kerry are unlikely to concede as much in the final.
Mayo have got to 5 semi in a row but their record from there has been very poor, played 9 games, won 2 drew 2 and lost 5, just not good enough for this level and have no young players coming on. There was a consensus of opinion this year that the placing of AoS at full forward was a master stroke but anyone following the game in Connaught has seen him tried there many times at underage etc and the best you could say about him in that position is that he is a mullicker, the proverbial bull in a china shop, too predictable and easily marked, the penny will drop at last for Mayo, no point wasting money on that team,
where do they go from here? right back into the pack i suspect.
Thought MD McAuley was outstanding today when he come on. I wonder if he hadn't been black carded last week would Mayo have been able to force a replay.
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Quote from: maigheo on September 05, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
It's a fair point. Mayo may have made the wrong choice last Autumn. Tactics today were brutal. No real push on Cluxton's kickouts to exploit Dublin's weak middle, no ideas past kicking it to AOS. Caught on the Dublin 45 so often. Management had a whole match last week to think around those things and they seemed to arrive with very little different today.
Also thought Aslan were class. Great to see Christy Dignam in fine form.
After 53 minutes Syferus it looked like a good plan to me. Have you ever managed anyone?
Because with the best will in the world and the best plans- when a team hits you for 2 goals in 4 minutes there ain't much you can do about it on the sideline. It's not Football Manager you know.
Mayo players have to take some level of responsibility. It's the same bloody mistakes every year. And also lads like Aidan O Se need to turn up on big days too and not just against Sligo. They'd drive you to being an alcoholic
Quote from: Beard on September 05, 2015, 08:33:14 PM
Thought MD McAuley was outstanding today when he come on. I wonder if he hadn't been black carded last week would Mayo have been able to force a replay.
He was outstanding indeed.
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Quote from: maigheo on September 05, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
It's a fair point. Mayo may have made the wrong choice last Autumn. Tactics today were brutal. No real push on Cluxton's kickouts to exploit Dublin's weak middle, no ideas past kicking it to AOS. Caught on the Dublin 45 so often. Management had a whole match last week to think around those things and they seemed to arrive with very little different today.
Also thought Aslan were class. Great to see Christy Dignam in fine form.
After 53 minutes Syferus it looked like a good plan to me. Have you ever managed anyone?
Because with the best will in the world and the best plans- when a team hits you for 2 goals in 4 minutes there ain't much you can do about it on the sideline. It's not Football Manager you know.
Mayo players have to take some level of responsibility. It's the same bloody mistakes every year. And also lads like Aidan O Se need to turn up on big days too and not just against Sligo. They'd drive you to being an alcoholic
Agree with this assessment Indiana. I'm sick of the mistakes, year in, year out, the amount of goals Mayo have gifted to teams when they're ahead is bloody shocking. I'm not going to give a 'doom and gloom' verdict just now, but we are at a crossroads, and where we go from here, I'm not too confident about. Credit where credit's due, Gavin played his bench to a tee, and it worked.
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Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
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Quote from: maigheo on September 05, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
It's a fair point. Mayo may have made the wrong choice last Autumn. Tactics today were brutal. No real push on Cluxton's kickouts to exploit Dublin's weak middle, no ideas past kicking it to AOS. Caught on the Dublin 45 so often. Management had a whole match last week to think around those things and they seemed to arrive with very little different today.
Also thought Aslan were class. Great to see Christy Dignam in fine form.
After 53 minutes Syferus it looked like a good plan to me. Have you ever managed anyone?
Because with the best will in the world and the best plans- when a team hits you for 2 goals in 4 minutes there ain't much you can do about it on the sideline. It's not Football Manager you know.
Mayo players have to take some level of responsibility. It's the same bloody mistakes every year. And also lads like Aidan O Se need to turn up on big days too and not just against Sligo. They'd drive you to being an alcoholic
Agree with this assessment Indiana. I'm sick of the mistakes, year in, year out, the amount of goals Mayo have gifted to teams when they're ahead is bloody shocking. I'm not going to give a 'doom and gloom' verdict just now, but we are at a crossroads, and where we go from here, I'm not too confident about. Credit where credit's due, Gavin played his bench to a tee, and it worked.
Gavin got lucky that's all. I didn't see much in the way of a distinct plan from Dublin today. You handed it to us.
I think Mayo could have done what Dublin did after they went four ahead early in the second half--keep the ball. They weren't able to do this and kicked it aimlessly into Dublin's backline. Henelly's kickout was a mistake, of sorts, but how in the f**k were Mayo so exposed from that at the back? The ball was still kicked a good 50-60m so if Mayo were properly set up the most damage would have been a point. And that was undoubtedly the killer.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 05, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
It's a fair point. Mayo may have made the wrong choice last Autumn. Tactics today were brutal. No real push on Cluxton's kickouts to exploit Dublin's weak middle, no ideas past kicking it to AOS. Caught on the Dublin 45 so often. Management had a whole match last week to think around those things and they seemed to arrive with very little different today.
Also thought Aslan were class. Great to see Christy Dignam in fine form.
After 53 minutes Syferus it looked like a good plan to me. Have you ever managed anyone?
Because with the best will in the world and the best plans- when a team hits you for 2 goals in 4 minutes there ain't much you can do about it on the sideline. It's not Football Manager you know.
Mayo players have to take some level of responsibility. It's the same bloody mistakes every year. And also lads like Aidan O Se need to turn up on big days too and not just against Sligo. They'd drive you to being an alcoholic
Agree with this assessment Indiana. I'm sick of the mistakes, year in, year out, the amount of goals Mayo have gifted to teams when they're ahead is bloody shocking. I'm not going to give a 'doom and gloom' verdict just now, but we are at a crossroads, and where we go from here, I'm not too confident about. Credit where credit's due, Gavin played his bench to a tee, and it worked.
Gavin got lucky that's all. I didn't see much in the way of a distinct plan from Dublin today. You handed it to us.
Dublin got the rub of the green but they had the players who were able to take full advantage of the luck that came their way. Mayo when they hit the front made a few wrong moves that cost them dearly. And Kevin made his usual very telling contribution.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 05, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
It's a fair point. Mayo may have made the wrong choice last Autumn. Tactics today were brutal. No real push on Cluxton's kickouts to exploit Dublin's weak middle, no ideas past kicking it to AOS. Caught on the Dublin 45 so often. Management had a whole match last week to think around those things and they seemed to arrive with very little different today.
Also thought Aslan were class. Great to see Christy Dignam in fine form.
After 53 minutes Syferus it looked like a good plan to me. Have you ever managed anyone?
Because with the best will in the world and the best plans- when a team hits you for 2 goals in 4 minutes there ain't much you can do about it on the sideline. It's not Football Manager you know.
Mayo players have to take some level of responsibility. It's the same bloody mistakes every year. And also lads like Aidan O Se need to turn up on big days too and not just against Sligo. They'd drive you to being an alcoholic
It wasn't looking good at 53 minutes Indy. The goal was basically Andy deciding 'f**k this shit' and ramming his way through three defenders. Even when four up Mayo were struggling to assert themselves on the front foot.
On only a few occasions did Mayo create any penetration going forward, some good outside scores, the odd free. But that will never win matches. Inter-play and creating more than Hollywood chances are what win matches.
The AOS tactic totally failed today and given Dublin were doubling up last week it wasn't hard to see Dublin trying to flood him out of the game. Cluxton was under little pressure despite his total meltdown in the final ten the last day. Why leave the free man when you made so much hay pushing up last week?
Mayo did really well to be level at half-time, you could see Dublin were way better at finding their men and getting inside Mayo's defence than the reverse.
The game changed when mayo replaced their sweeper with a forward.
Absolute madness considering they were 4 up at that stage
Quote from: orangeman on September 05, 2015, 09:46:43 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2015, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 05, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
It's a fair point. Mayo may have made the wrong choice last Autumn. Tactics today were brutal. No real push on Cluxton's kickouts to exploit Dublin's weak middle, no ideas past kicking it to AOS. Caught on the Dublin 45 so often. Management had a whole match last week to think around those things and they seemed to arrive with very little different today.
Also thought Aslan were class. Great to see Christy Dignam in fine form.
After 53 minutes Syferus it looked like a good plan to me. Have you ever managed anyone?
Because with the best will in the world and the best plans- when a team hits you for 2 goals in 4 minutes there ain't much you can do about it on the sideline. It's not Football Manager you know.
Mayo players have to take some level of responsibility. It's the same bloody mistakes every year. And also lads like Aidan O Se need to turn up on big days too and not just against Sligo. They'd drive you to being an alcoholic
Agree with this assessment Indiana. I'm sick of the mistakes, year in, year out, the amount of goals Mayo have gifted to teams when they're ahead is bloody shocking. I'm not going to give a 'doom and gloom' verdict just now, but we are at a crossroads, and where we go from here, I'm not too confident about. Credit where credit's due, Gavin played his bench to a tee, and it worked.
Gavin got lucky that's all. I didn't see much in the way of a distinct plan from Dublin today. You handed it to us.
Dublin got the rub of the green but they had the players who were able to take full advantage of the luck that came their way. Mayo when they hit the front made a few wrong moves that cost them dearly. And Kevin made his usual very telling contribution.
The margins are tight but Dublin clearly deserved their victory, they worked hard for it and refused to bow when the game went for the taking , the "rub of the green" doesn't describe what happened, in any shape or form.
Pity for Mayo, they are a wonderful team and on individual football technical ability criteria, they are a street ahead of every other team except Kerry.
on individual football technical ability criteria, they are a street ahead of every other team except Kerry.
Quare praise.
Agree with this assessment Indiana. I'm sick of the mistakes, year in, year out, the amount of goals Mayo have gifted to teams when they're ahead is bloody shocking. I'm not going to give a 'doom and gloom' verdict just now, but we are at a crossroads, and where we go from here, I'm not too confident about. Credit where credit's due, Gavin played his bench to a tee, and it worked.
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No Farr we were at a crossroads last autumn and we made our move.Today was the result of that.When it comes to tactics or gameplan we are just beginning to scratch the surface.
Someone said that O'connor was like McManus of Monaghan........not even close as McManus is a massive threat from play and O'connor simply isn't............great free taker and good footballer O'connor and vital to the team but not a match winning forward.......
Dublin have far more scoring options. Connolly was quiet and up stepped Paddy Andrews with a man of the match display.
Hard luck to Mayo. I thought they peaked during the Horan era but didn't get an All Ireland. They have gone back since then
Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
Someone said that O'connor was like McManus of Monaghan........not even close as McManus is a massive threat from play and O'connor simply isn't............great free taker and good footballer O'connor and vital to the team but not a match winning forward.......
I thought that was O Connors best game for Mayo . And in fairness I can't stand him
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Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
Someone said that O'connor was like McManus of Monaghan........not even close as McManus is a massive threat from play and O'connor simply isn't............great free taker and good footballer O'connor and vital to the team but not a match winning forward.......
I thought that was O Connors best game for Mayo . And in fairness I can't stand him
It was Diarmuid O'Connor's best day alright. Far from Cillian O'Connor's though.
Hard luck Mayo bucks, I thought there were 2 serious brain farts today, sheamus OSheas choke hold, and your keeper lace tying, and then not putting his gloves back on properly, kicking the ball straight to us, and goal.......... Go easy on big Aidan, he can't do it all on his own, he is a fine player
Commisserations to all Mayo posters on here. Can only imagine how hard it was to have the elation of last week's finish turned about face today.
Without benefit of watching game again I thought Brian Fenton was excellent. MDMA turned game on its head in the second half imo.
Mayo will rue that chance dropped into Cluxton's hands when I think 4 up.
Also I have to praise Cluxton on his strength of character today. Excellent today imo.
Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
Someone said that O'connor was like McManus of Monaghan........not even close as McManus is a massive threat from play and O'connor simply isn't............great free taker and good footballer O'connor and vital to the team but not a match winning forward.......
He isn't fit, he needs a good 6 months rest but he's playing club and sigerson and county all year round
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Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
Someone said that O'connor was like McManus of Monaghan........not even close as McManus is a massive threat from play and O'connor simply isn't............great free taker and good footballer O'connor and vital to the team but not a match winning forward.......
I thought that was O Connors best game for Mayo . And in fairness I can't stand him
It was Diarmuid O'Connor's best day alright. Far from Cillian O'Connor's though.
I thought he was good today. Both of them by far mayos best forwards
Aidan o se where is his best position
14 it aint
Fair enough mayo forsam......look after him then because you need him going forward and unearth a couple of other good forwards.....I would love to see Mayo win it soon but unless they get a couple of quality forwards don't think it will happen....
Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2015, 11:55:06 PM
Commisserations to all Mayo posters on here. Can only imagine how hard it was to have the elation of last week's finish turned about face today.
Without benefit of watching game again I thought Brian Fenton was excellent. MDMA turned game on its head in the second half imo.
Mayo will rue that chance dropped into Cluxton's hands when I think 4 up.
Also I have to praise Cluxton on his strength of character today. Excellent today imo.
Why did Cluxton hold his face though after the O'Connor challenge?
The dice is loaded.
Mayo have a six day turn around after the draw. A day travelling back to Mayo plus a day returning back to Dublin, it's a joke , how can that be fair ?
Anyway fair play to Dublin and good luck against Kerry , I'm sure Kerry have burned the midnight oil syudying both games.
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2015, 11:40:08 PM
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Quote from: The Trap on September 05, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
Someone said that O'connor was like McManus of Monaghan........not even close as McManus is a massive threat from play and O'connor simply isn't............great free taker and good footballer O'connor and vital to the team but not a match winning forward.......
I thought that was O Connors best game for Mayo . And in fairness I can't stand him
It was Diarmuid O'Connor's best day alright. Far from Cillian O'Connor's though.
The young fella is some find alright.. one of the few positives to turn up this season. Cillian continues to perplex me. He has most of the attributes it takes to turn a good player into a great one but his tendency to get involved in scuffles and his lack of pace holds him back. The brother, by contrast, is nippy and to appears able to keep a cool head. For my money, he will be a better asset to Mayo than his big bro is at the moment.
Bad day for Mayo and I feel for all the Mayo posters on this board. I know it's a devastating feeling and it will feel even worse in the morning. But we GAA supporters are a resilient lot and once it moves into autumn and early winter we begin to look forward to next season and the sap begins to rise. We're all eternal optimists - we have to be.
Good game the day, Mayo fluffed the boat when in control and Dublin pushed hard in the last 15mins. i don't think they beat Kerry though unless they improve, the whole Connolly incident and getting off has overshadowed a very good game.
Said after the last day Mayo ain't got the forwards to win an all-ireland, Dublin has, nothing has changed in this regard
Absolutely no complaints with yesterday loss ... Beaten by a better team on the day. On a lighter note, & off the ball, I saw Keegan pick of the ground and hand Connolly his drink. Just thought it was a nice gesture and for all the up roar with last week, it shows no hard feelings.
Hard luck Mayo, it's the hope, it will always be the hope...
Commiserations Mayo.
Moran and Dillon are probably the only ones who'll pack it in, I still think you need a 'marquee forward'
Dublin the better team as the stats show, but we were in a great position after the goal and made a balls of it.
I haven't read back on the thread and don't intend to, so it's probably already been covered but I can't understand why Barry Moran was taken off for Freeman when we were ahead. Added to that Hennelly lost his composure and gifted them the first goal, put next one out over the sideline. Dublin capitialised on our shakiness and it was game over.
Best of luck in the final, great team and fine supporters for the most part (after the game at least)
True that Tubberman, also Parsons off near the end too. So we effectively finished the gwme without a functioning midfield. Madness.
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Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2015, 11:55:06 PM
Commisserations to all Mayo posters on here. Can only imagine how hard it was to have the elation of last week's finish turned about face today.
Without benefit of watching game again I thought Brian Fenton was excellent. MDMA turned game on its head in the second half imo.
Mayo will rue that chance dropped into Cluxton's hands when I think 4 up.
Also I have to praise Cluxton on his strength of character today. Excellent today imo.
Why did Cluxton hold his face though after the O'Connor challenge?
He got slapped in the face. Don't think there was any play acting going on.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 08:35:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 05, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Well done Dublin.Deserving winners today .Syferus ,would you ever fu-ck off in pushing your McStay agenda .Now is not the time
It's a fair point. Mayo may have made the wrong choice last Autumn. Tactics today were brutal. No real push on Cluxton's kickouts to exploit Dublin's weak middle, no ideas past kicking it to AOS. Caught on the Dublin 45 so often. Management had a whole match last week to think around those things and they seemed to arrive with very little different today.
Also thought Aslan were class. Great to see Christy Dignam in fine form.
After 53 minutes Syferus it looked like a good plan to me. Have you ever managed anyone?
Because with the best will in the world and the best plans- when a team hits you for 2 goals in 4 minutes there ain't much you can do about it on the sideline. It's not Football Manager you know.
Mayo players have to take some level of responsibility. It's the same bloody mistakes every year. And also lads like Aidan O Se need to turn up on big days too and not just against Sligo. They'd drive you to being an alcoholic
There was a lot of people saying by half time that they couldn't believe Mayo had learned nothing from the previous week Indiana. I thought that their plan was poor up to that point, and had been bailed out by some great long range score taking.
Also the Philly McMahon chance where he had 15m space in all directions was warning that the defensive set up up the middle was faulty.
Personally I thought Dublin were beginning to turn the game before Mayos goal, then the substitutes accelerated that. I thought Mayos management reacted very poorly to Seamy O'Shea's departure.
Why was Kevin McLoughlin left on until the last minute? Can't understand any of the substitutions made
Have to say jim galvin allowing phil McMahon to bomb forward was a smart move. AOS can't travel on that scale and mayo were exposed.
The quality of ball in to AOS was atrocious and easily read.
Another thing is that Keith Higgins is too pure a footballer for corner back.
Dublin will win final by their sheet athleticism.
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Commisserations to all Mayo posters on here. Can only imagine how hard it was to have the elation of last week's finish turned about face today.
Without benefit of watching game again I thought Brian Fenton was excellent. MDMA turned game on its head in the second half imo.
Mayo will rue that chance dropped into Cluxton's hands when I think 4 up.
Also I have to praise Cluxton on his strength of character today. Excellent today imo.
Why did Cluxton hold his face though after the O'Connor challenge?
He got slapped in the face. Don't think there was any play acting going on.
Didn't see any contact on his face in fairness, hate play acting.
Quote from: AMayoFan on September 06, 2015, 08:53:27 AM
Absolutely no complaints with yesterday loss ... Beaten by a better team on the day. On a lighter note, & off the ball, I saw Keegan pick of the ground and hand Connolly his drink. Just thought it was a nice gesture and for all the up roar with last week, it shows no hard feelings.
Before the ball was thrown in to start the game Connolly and Keegan exchanged handshakes. It was good to see and it set the tone of the tussle between them for the rest of the game.
The Mayo goalkeeper made a mistake tying his laces before the first goal. It all seemed rushed then he hit the kickout with 1 glove under his arm which meant he was off balance and didn't kick the ball as far as he would have wanted. He should have either waited till the ball was at the other end of the pitch and tied his laces or took his time and got both gloves on.
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Someone said that O'connor was like McManus of Monaghan........not even close as McManus is a massive threat from play and O'connor simply isn't............great free taker and good footballer O'connor and vital to the team but not a match winning forward.......
I thought that was O Connors best game for Mayo . And in fairness I can't stand him
It was Diarmuid O'Connor's best day alright. Far from Cillian O'Connor's though.
The young fella is some find alright.. one of the few positives to turn up this season. Cillian continues to perplex me. He has most of the attributes it takes to turn a good player into a great one but his tendency to get involved in scuffles and his lack of pace holds him back. The brother, by contrast, is nippy and to appears able to keep a cool head. For my money, he will be a better asset to Mayo than his big bro is at the moment.
I haven't watched much football this year (because really, it's a load of shite) but over the two games, what I noticed most about DOC was an ability to attack players head on, ride the challenge and come out the other side of it. Nothing flashy, just very composed. Think he looks a cracking player.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 05, 2015, 07:21:01 PM
Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
that's really harsh. If you ever played the game or done a bit of coaching you'd know he's one of the top forwards in the country. If he got found out then what have to say about dean rock who had a far stronger supporting cast around him but for the 2nd week in a row went missing. O Connor is a bit like Conor Mcmanus - he carries a far bigger workload than he should have to.
O'Connor is nothing like McManus, that's an insult to McManus who is targeted and has plans to the nth degree from opposition managers to stop him playing. Monaghan rarely win when McManus is kept quiet. Mayo have regularly won before when O'Connor has offered nothing from open play. I don't think you'll ever see that much of a plan from opposition managers to stop O'Connor, he's just not much of a threat from open play, a good finisher yes but not a guy whose going to cause problems if his team are struggling.
I think you look at what O'Connor did yesterday and you see a good point in the first half, he scored a goal where it should have been disallowed as he fouled the ball when one-on-one with the keeper and very little else from open play.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
Why was Kevin McLoughlin left on until the last minute? Can't understand any of the substitutions made
Good question.Very poor forward when they needed to score.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
Why was Kevin McLoughlin left on until the last minute? Can't understand any of the substitutions made
Good question.Very poor forward when they needed to score.
He goes missing a lot. Jason Doherty too.
Quote from: seafoid on September 06, 2015, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
Why was Kevin McLoughlin left on until the last minute? Can't understand any of the substitutions made
Good question.Very poor forward when they needed to score.
Agreed,decent player but not a forward.
Poor Mayo. I really wanted them to win Sam.
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Quote from: AMayoFan on September 06, 2015, 08:53:27 AM
Absolutely no complaints with yesterday loss ... Beaten by a better team on the day. On a lighter note, & off the ball, I saw Keegan pick of the ground and hand Connolly his drink. Just thought it was a nice gesture and for all the up roar with last week, it shows no hard feelings.
Before the ball was thrown in to start the game Connolly and Keegan exchanged handshakes. It was good to see and it set the tone of the tussle between them for the rest of the game.
Ah great stuff.
I think we really take a look at ourselves now. Coaching structures are a mess in Mayo. No continuity at all. Need to get players into coaching instead of the media. Keep making the same mistakes year in year out. County board are much more on the ball than they were but still massive worked needed.
Quote from: seafoid on September 06, 2015, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
Why was Kevin McLoughlin left on until the last minute? Can't understand any of the substitutions made
Good question.Very poor forward when they needed to score.
I thought the exact same myself. Had a nightmare yesterday. Cinstantly gave balls away.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 06, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
I think we really take a look at ourselves now. Coaching structures are a mess in Mayo. No continuity at all. Need to get players into coaching instead of the media. Keep making the same mistakes year in year out. County board are much more on the ball than they were but still massive worked needed.
The core of that Mayo team is based on some u21 all Ireland. 06? And those players will have to be replaced eventually. Galway might step up to the plate...
But what a rollercoaster of emotion for Mayo over the 5 years since Longford.
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Quote from: ballinaman on September 06, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
I think we really take a look at ourselves now. Coaching structures are a mess in Mayo. No continuity at all. Need to get players into coaching instead of the media. Keep making the same mistakes year in year out. County board are much more on the ball than they were but still massive worked needed.
The core of that Mayo team is based on some u21 all Ireland. 06? And those players will have to be replaced eventually. Galway might step up to the plate...
But what a rollercoaster of emotion for Mayo over the 5 years since Longford.
Higgins looked like he emptied the tank yesterday. He stayed on the pitch by himself for ages after whistle.
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Commisserations to all Mayo posters on here. Can only imagine how hard it was to have the elation of last week's finish turned about face today.
Without benefit of watching game again I thought Brian Fenton was excellent. MDMA turned game on its head in the second half imo.
Mayo will rue that chance dropped into Cluxton's hands when I think 4 up.
Also I have to praise Cluxton on his strength of character today. Excellent today imo.
Why did Cluxton hold his face though after the O'Connor challenge?
He got slapped in the face. Don't think there was any play acting going on.
Didn't see any contact on his face in fairness, hate play acting.
There was - and with mcmahon later. Had no bearing on anything but o'connor flails his hands about a lot when tackling and would need to watch it.
What age is higgins? Really is a half back. Hope we haven't seen the last of him?
I've no particular love for Mayo and don't buy into the "they deserve one" myth as they've had so many chances but I'd love to see Higgins win one. Great footballer and great athlete. Serious hurler too.
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Quote from: Canalman on September 05, 2015, 11:55:06 PM
Commisserations to all Mayo posters on here. Can only imagine how hard it was to have the elation of last week's finish turned about face today.
Without benefit of watching game again I thought Brian Fenton was excellent. MDMA turned game on its head in the second half imo.
Mayo will rue that chance dropped into Cluxton's hands when I think 4 up.
Also I have to praise Cluxton on his strength of character today. Excellent today imo.
Why did Cluxton hold his face though after the O'Connor challenge?
He got slapped in the face. Don't think there was any play acting going on.
Didn't see any contact on his face in fairness, hate play acting.
There was - and with mcmahon later. Had no bearing on anything but o'connor flails his hands about a lot when tackling and would need to watch it.
What age is higgins? Really is a half back. Hope we haven't seen the last of him?
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
Why was Kevin McLoughlin left on until the last minute? Can't understand any of the substitutions made
Good question.Very poor forward when they needed to score.
I thought the exact same myself. Had a nightmare yesterday. Cinstantly gave balls away.
He ended up just, quite literally, getting in the way
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Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
that's really harsh. If you ever played the game or done a bit of coaching you'd know he's one of the top forwards in the country. If he got found out then what have to say about dean rock who had a far stronger supporting cast around him but for the 2nd week in a row went missing. O Connor is a bit like Conor Mcmanus - he carries a far bigger workload than he should have to.
O'Connor is nothing like McManus, that's an insult to McManus who is targeted and has plans to the nth degree from opposition managers to stop him playing. Monaghan rarely win when McManus is kept quiet. Mayo have regularly won before when O'Connor has offered nothing from open play. I don't think you'll ever see that much of a plan from opposition managers to stop O'Connor, he's just not much of a threat from open play, a good finisher yes but not a guy whose going to cause problems if his team are struggling.
I think you look at what O'Connor did yesterday and you see a good point in the first half, he scored a goal where it should have been disallowed as he fouled the ball when one-on-one with the keeper and very little else from open play.
I thought he was fouled by the keeper tbu but I haven't seen a replay of it
Mayo "The Masters of Disaster"
Mayo are a bunch of spoofers, they haven't got the skill set that the Dubs or Kerry possess-so accept it Mayo fans -You are shite, and deserve every curse that comes your way.
Quote from: MCGARTHY on September 06, 2015, 12:33:16 PM
Mayo are a bunch of spoofers, they haven't got the skill set that the Dubs or Kerry possess-so accept it Mayo fans -You are shite, and deserve every curse that comes your way.
You're not here on the wind up anyway ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: MCGARTHY on September 06, 2015, 12:33:16 PM
Mayo are a bunch of spoofers, they haven't got the skill set that the Dubs or Kerry possess-so accept it Mayo fans -You are shite, and deserve every curse that comes your way.
Harsh, you need a bit of luck in this game, ala Donegal kick out to donaghy last year.
Keegan and Aidan OSe would start in any county team in the land
Every county has spoofers, band wagoners and gombeens
Quote from: dferg on September 06, 2015, 10:33:39 AM
The Mayo goalkeeper made a mistake tying his laces before the first goal. It all seemed rushed then he hit the kickout with 1 glove under his arm which meant he was off balance and didn't kick the ball as far as he would have wanted. He should have either waited till the ball was at the other end of the pitch and tied his laces or took his time and got both gloves on.
Turning point for me. I was near shouting through the TV for him to fuckin calm himself. Crowd got to him and he rushed it. Criminal. Could you imagine Cluxton rushing a kick after tying his boot and putting his glove back on? Probably sums up the mentality of this Mayo team unfortunately, to be four points up and be panicking rather than dictating the game at a point you'd expect them to take control is a mark of a mentally poor team in my view. It's a real shame, some really brilliant players in the side. Fair play to Dublin, never panicked, showed their class, absolutely ruthless in their comeback. I really fancy them to take Kerry.
Quote from: MCGARTHY on September 06, 2015, 12:33:16 PM
Mayo are a bunch of spoofers, they haven't got the skill set that the Dubs or Kerry possess-so accept it Mayo fans -You are shite, and deserve every curse that comes your way.
Would you ever feck on back to Resevoir Dubs and stop annoying us.It is bad enough having Syferus around here trying to inject Roscommon in to every discussion-we do not need another fool around here.
Haven't seen Keith Higgins take a roasting like he got in the first half yesterday.
I think Mayo need to move him to 6.
Great player- really deserves one all ireland at least
What were the Mayo management at when they took Moran off?
Keeper kicks it long, O'Shea is on Fenton and gets left for dead and is twenty yards behind him when the first goal is scored.
O'Shea is still far too slow for midfield and should only be used as a 3rd midfielder.
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
What were the Mayo management at when they took Moran off?
Keeper kicks it long, O'Shea is on Fenton and gets left for dead and is twenty yards behind him when the first goal is scored.
O'Shea is still far too slow for midfield and should only be used as a 3rd midfielder.
Midfield is the only position where AOS can properly mark someone. Just look at the couple runs Philly McMahon made. That's the risk Mayo take when playing him at FF or CF as they did a few years ago. Only similarity big men are the correct defensive match-up for him.
Quote from: Syferus on September 06, 2015, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
What were the Mayo management at when they took Moran off?
Keeper kicks it long, O'Shea is on Fenton and gets left for dead and is twenty yards behind him when the first goal is scored.
O'Shea is still far too slow for midfield and should only be used as a 3rd midfielder.
Midfield is the only position where AOS can properly mark someone. Just look at the couple runs Philly McMahon made. That's the risk Mayo take when playing him at FF or CF as they did a few years ago. Only similarity big men are the correct defensive match-up for him.
How many midfielders in the top counties are as slow as him though?
Fun i play Higgins at 6 myself, truth be told Mayo are not not far away and have not been for the past 5yrs, what they urgently need is 2 quality inside forwards who consistly score, this is their biggest problem, plus the inability to find a player that can play a sweeper properly
Wasn't O`Sheas fault for the McMahon runs, you want to keep him up if you playing him in the full forward line. Theres more than enough Mayo players in defence marking space and any one of them should have the nous to pick up any runners coming through and that's were they are at fault, Watch the brogan pass to McMahon for the point in the first half, all mayo players chasing the man with the ball and not picking up players running through, slack as f**k. Brolly was giving Boyle alot of blame for his inability to play sweeper and half the cause of all these gaps.
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 06, 2015, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
What were the Mayo management at when they took Moran off?
Keeper kicks it long, O'Shea is on Fenton and gets left for dead and is twenty yards behind him when the first goal is scored.
O'Shea is still far too slow for midfield and should only be used as a 3rd midfielder.
Midfield is the only position where AOS can properly mark someone. Just look at the couple runs Philly McMahon made. That's the risk Mayo take when playing him at FF or CF as they did a few years ago. Only similarity big men are the correct defensive match-up for him.
How many midfielders in the top counties are as slow as him though?
I don't think he's terribly slow for a big man but his tackling is a bit chronic. And when he has to turn he's lost in the dust. AOS has always been an excellent attacking player combined with a bit of a defensive liability.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 05, 2015, 07:50:02 PM
Very fortunate Dublin win in the end. Mayo outplayed us for the first 55 minutes.
lee Keegan had an opportunity to put them 5 up. If he kicks that we aren't coming back. Small margins.
Backs were largely destroyed outside Mc Carthy and Philly who had O Se in his pocket.
Flynn is way off the pace. Rock not up to it and Bastick is a 20 minute man.
Fenton was brilliant I thought and Andrews was out of this world ably assisted by kilkenny.
Connolly shouldn't have played really was anonymous- I think the booing every time he touched the ball was a bit much.
Alan Brogan was outstanding as was Kev Mac when they came on. MDMA did better too.
Mayo just don't have the composure for some reason. The players are there but it's a question of whether they can make real time good decisions when the game is in the melting pot because they had that game won. I feel for their fans its rough going falling marginally short every year. But they have to improve on that.
I don't know whether having people associated with 1996 is good on the sideline. I think Mayo need someone like Pat Gilroy- someone of that ilk.
As regards the final. I can't see us winning it. Kerry have too many answers in too many positions. So that should will ensure some level of equilibrium is kept around the country.
Agree with most of this. Bit faint in your praise of MDMA Indiana - thought he made a big difference when he came on, even allowing for Séamus O'Shea's black card. He'd want to cut that hair though.
The criticism of Cillian O'Connor is laughable. And on that point, I thought Rory O'Carroll would be out there covered in bandages like an Egyptian mummy after the slashing he got the last day, with great gouts of honest man's blood drenching the sacred sod. Amazing what medical science can do.
Well done to Dublin. No complaints. Better team/squad won. Best of luck in the final. I will be cheering for ye.
Nothing to do with yesterdays result. But the GAA is a total mess on the controlling of their games, from referees, to Black/yellow/red Cards, disciplinary issues and suspensions.
I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
Throw in a management team thats out of its depth and you have hit the nail on the head.
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 06, 2015, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
Throw in a management team thats out of its depth and you have hit the nail on the head.
You won't like our announcement on Tuesday so Dan :-X
Another tough loss and they aren't getting any easier to stomach. Even though we lost to a better balanced team with a stronger bench this is still a hard loss to fully accept. It was there for us and for whatever reason we can't seem to put a team to the sword. How are we still asking the same questions as we were last year? How did we not come up with a proper defensive system in the last 12 months.
Holmes and Connelly have done a decent job, they've tried a few things and seemed to energise the lads again. But how many of their ideas have worked when under pressure? O'Shea at FF is a good tactic but we never used him properly in the two Dublin games. Playing a sweeper is a good idea but we played the wrong player there and it didn't work when we needed it most. Donegal or Kerry would have closed that game down completely if 4 points up, we've had a year to work on that so H & C have to accept criticism for that failure. The substitutions were baffling. Big Barry and Tom were spent but could we afford to take both of them off with Seamus gone as well? Surely not. Hennelly had a cluxton-like meltdown when we needed a cool head. What was he at with his kick outs, especially the 'one gloved' kick out, crazy stuff from a lad who should know better.
To have so many questions at the end of what looked like a promising year is frustrating and hard to take.
Fair play and congrats to the dubs. A brilliant team to watch in full flow and some of the forward play yesterday was outstanding. Dublin are the only team that can match us athletically and because of their bench they can then out manoeuvre us in the final 10 minutes. The best team over the two games won. Normally I'd be ok with that but after this game it feels like we have more questions than answers (again).
Quote from: Syferus on September 06, 2015, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 06, 2015, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
Throw in a management team thats out of its depth and you have hit the nail on the head.
You won't like our announcement on Tuesday so Dan :-X
The Mallon brothers won't either
I could never imagine McStay cutting it as a top level county manager, seems far too much of a crybaby for me.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
In fairness, last year was our year. But the gods conspired against us banged Aidan's and Cillians head together and handed us the most biased Referee in the history of the GAA in an away provincial venue. You could not script it. But hey we'll go away lick our wounds and take stock. People say we got no one new this year. I beg to differ. Parsons is no longer a bit player. We also have blooded Durcan and Diarmuid O'Connor at a very high level. This week will have stood hugely to those players.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2015, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
In fairness, last year was our year. But the gods conspired against us banged Aidan's and Cillians head together and handed us the most biased Referee in the history of the GAA in an away provincial venue. You could not script it. But hey we'll go away lick our wounds and take stock. People say we got no one new this year. I beg to differ. Parsons is no longer a bit player. We also have blooded Durcan and Diarmuid O'Connor at a very high level. This week will have stood hugely to those players.
The younger O'Connor was starting last year. You also seem to have lost Jason Gibbons down the cracks.
Quote from: Syferus on September 06, 2015, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2015, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
In fairness, last year was our year. But the gods conspired against us banged Aidan's and Cillians head together and handed us the most biased Referee in the history of the GAA in an away provincial venue. You could not script it. But hey we'll go away lick our wounds and take stock. People say we got no one new this year. I beg to differ. Parsons is no longer a bit player. We also have blooded Durcan and Diarmuid O'Connor at a very high level. This week will have stood hugely to those players.
The younger O'Connor was starting last year. You also seem to have lost Jason Gibbons down the cracks.
He started one game last year - against Roscommon. There's no doubting he has become a very big player for us this year.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2015, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 10:44:27 AM
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 05, 2015, 07:21:01 PM
Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
that's really harsh. If you ever played the game or done a bit of coaching you'd know he's one of the top forwards in the country. If he got found out then what have to say about dean rock who had a far stronger supporting cast around him but for the 2nd week in a row went missing. O Connor is a bit like Conor Mcmanus - he carries a far bigger workload than he should have to.
O'Connor is nothing like McManus, that's an insult to McManus who is targeted and has plans to the nth degree from opposition managers to stop him playing. Monaghan rarely win when McManus is kept quiet. Mayo have regularly won before when O'Connor has offered nothing from open play. I don't think you'll ever see that much of a plan from opposition managers to stop O'Connor, he's just not much of a threat from open play, a good finisher yes but not a guy whose going to cause problems if his team are struggling.
I think you look at what O'Connor did yesterday and you see a good point in the first half, he scored a goal where it should have been disallowed as he fouled the ball when one-on-one with the keeper and very little else from open play.
I thought he was fouled by the keeper tbu but I haven't seen a replay of it
After watching the game again on television it seems clear that O'Connor was fouled by Cluxton and would have been entitled to a penalty had the goal not been awarded.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 06, 2015, 04:39:38 PM
After watching the game again on television it seems clear that O'Connor was fouled by Cluxton and would have been entitled to a penalty had the goal not been awarded.
ANd a black card for Cluxton
There is an in-built stupidity which will mean that Mayo won't be winning an all Ireland anytime soon. This goes to players, management and supporters. It's not about luck, fortune or anything else other than being stupid. They always manage to make the wrong decisions when the chance of success in in their grasp.
Quote from: regal on September 06, 2015, 05:27:41 PM
There is an in-built stupidity which will mean that Mayo won't be winning an all Ireland anytime soon. This goes to players, management and supporters. It's not about luck, fortune or anything else other than being stupid. They always manage to make the wrong decisions when the chance of success in in their grasp.
No, they were beat by a better team.
Mayo probably had a team good enough to pick up an AI and missed that chance. Many teams have been good enough to win it on a particular year but didn't.
This year Dublin are better than Mayo.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 06, 2015, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2015, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 10:44:27 AM
Quote from: straightred on September 05, 2015, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 05, 2015, 07:21:01 PM
Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
that's really harsh. If you ever played the game or done a bit of coaching you'd know he's one of the top forwards in the country. If he got found out then what have to say about dean rock who had a far stronger supporting cast around him but for the 2nd week in a row went missing. O Connor is a bit like Conor Mcmanus - he carries a far bigger workload than he should have to.
O'Connor is nothing like McManus, that's an insult to McManus who is targeted and has plans to the nth degree from opposition managers to stop him playing. Monaghan rarely win when McManus is kept quiet. Mayo have regularly won before when O'Connor has offered nothing from open play. I don't think you'll ever see that much of a plan from opposition managers to stop O'Connor, he's just not much of a threat from open play, a good finisher yes but not a guy whose going to cause problems if his team are struggling.
I think you look at what O'Connor did yesterday and you see a good point in the first half, he scored a goal where it should have been disallowed as he fouled the ball when one-on-one with the keeper and very little else from open play.
I thought he was fouled by the keeper tbu but I haven't seen a replay of it
After watching the game again on television it seems clear that O'Connor was fouled by Cluxton and would have been entitled to a penalty had the goal not been awarded.
Fouled after O'Connor had fouled the ball.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 06, 2015, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 06, 2015, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 10:44:27 AM
Quote from: straightred on September 05, 2015, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 05, 2015, 07:21:01 PM
Cillian O'CONNOR found out today. Can kick frees from anywhere, but in open play not a real top class forward. Mayo forwards in the 2nd half were as rubbish as they were the 1st day. Only difference no ref to give them easy frees. Once dubs stopped fouling Mayo forwards shown up for the poor finishers they are. Dubs subs made a huge difference. McManamon with another moment of magic. Mayo didn't have a forward who could do the same.
that's really harsh. If you ever played the game or done a bit of coaching you'd know he's one of the top forwards in the country. If he got found out then what have to say about dean rock who had a far stronger supporting cast around him but for the 2nd week in a row went missing. O Connor is a bit like Conor Mcmanus - he carries a far bigger workload than he should have to.
O'Connor is nothing like McManus, that's an insult to McManus who is targeted and has plans to the nth degree from opposition managers to stop him playing. Monaghan rarely win when McManus is kept quiet. Mayo have regularly won before when O'Connor has offered nothing from open play. I don't think you'll ever see that much of a plan from opposition managers to stop O'Connor, he's just not much of a threat from open play, a good finisher yes but not a guy whose going to cause problems if his team are struggling.
I think you look at what O'Connor did yesterday and you see a good point in the first half, he scored a goal where it should have been disallowed as he fouled the ball when one-on-one with the keeper and very little else from open play.
I thought he was fouled by the keeper tbu but I haven't seen a replay of it
After watching the game again on television it seems clear that O'Connor was fouled by Cluxton and would have been entitled to a penalty had the goal not been awarded.
+1
Stonewall penalty if COC hadn't scored.
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
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THERE IS NO RULE AGAINST SWITCHING HANDS!!!!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
As long as both hands are on the ball at the switch it's not a foul. You can't throw the ball from hand to hand.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 06, 2015, 06:09:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
As long as both hands are on the ball at the switch it's not a foul. You can't throw the ball from hand to hand.
Neither hand is on the ball when he switches it? Did you not see the replay of the goal?
Quote from: vallankumous on September 06, 2015, 06:09:21 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
As long as both hands are on the ball at the switch it's not a foul. You can't throw the ball from hand to hand.
Correct!!
Also he switched hands then threw the ball up and kicked it. Perfectly legitimate goal... Here's the rule:
When a player is in possession of the ball, it may be:(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer than the time needed to take four steps; (b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped; (c) bounced once, and once after each toe-tap; (d) changed from one hand to the other once, with the original holding hand maintaining contact until the change is completed; (e) played away with: (i) a fist (ii) an open hand-in which instance there shall be a definite underhand striking action (f) released for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with a fist or an open hand. The ball may be knocked from an opponent's
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:11:52 PM
Neither hand is on the ball when he switches it? Did you not see the replay of the goal?
Of all the game had to offer i'm not getting into this.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2015, 03:36:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 06, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
In fairness, last year was our year. But the gods conspired against us banged Aidan's and Cillians head together and handed us the most biased Referee in the history of the GAA in an away provincial venue. You could not script it. But hey we'll go away lick our wounds and take stock. People say we got no one new this year. I beg to differ. Parsons is no longer a bit player. We also have blooded Durcan and Diarmuid O'Connor at a very high level. This week will have stood hugely to those players.
The younger O'Connor was starting last year. You also seem to have lost Jason Gibbons down the cracks.
Ah, he got an hour or so against ye. And he was out of this debt at the time. Could have been cast away. Probably being Cillian's brother helped him. Anyway he has grown this year. A great addition like Durcan. And Parsons is like a new signing as they'd say in Soccer.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
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The complete misunderstanding of this rule bugs the shit out of me. This was not a foul. You get gulpins shouting this at every game at every level without ever knowing the rule itself. A bit like "show ball" which is another nonsense!
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2015, 07:08:36 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
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The complete misunderstanding of this rule bugs the shit out of me. This was not a foul. You get gulpins shouting this at every game at every level without ever knowing the rule itself. A bit like "show ball" which is another nonsense!
Indeed . . . Someone actually shouted "two man tackle" in the bar the other night!
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
I thought initially that he threw it from one hand to the other, which is a foul.
The GIF above does not show it clearly but I had a look at it again on another replay and he definitely did not throw the ball from one hand to the other, both hands where on the ball when he switched hands.
In my head I must have thought that the way he threw it up to kick it was when he changed hands but he didnt, and throwing it up to kick it in that way was perfectly legal
Legit goal, end of argument!
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
He did go down
Quote from: vallankumous on September 06, 2015, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
He did go down
And still got the shot off.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
Should Cluxton not have got a black card anyway? COC actually performing a great piece of skill to score the goal is irrelevant to the fact that he was taken down quite cynically.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
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Read the rule.
You can change hands with the ball as long as the original hand remains in contact with the ball until the change has been completed. In english that means you can't throw it from one hand to the other or there must be an instant where both hands are touching the ball during the change.
Anyway, back to the game. Well done Dublin, when you got the momentum you made it count, unlike us when we were 4 points up and flying, and also last week.
No point in any post-mortem for us at this stage. We have all winter for that.
Good luck to the Dubs in the final.
And well done to Eddie Kinsella.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2015, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
Should Cluxton not have got a black card anyway? COC actually performing a great piece of skill to score the goal is irrelevant to the fact that he was taken down quite cynically.
Ah, let it go! Probably yes. But it would have been really harsh. Time to talk about the final.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2015, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2015, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
Should Cluxton not have got a black card anyway? COC actually performing a great piece of skill to score the goal is irrelevant to the fact that he was taken down quite cynically.
Ah, let it go! Probably yes. But it would have been really harsh. Time to talk about the final.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I could care less about Mayo. :D I just genuinely wonder what the rule interpretation is on this instance. Cluxton clearly fouls him but the goal was scored, yes it would be harsh but it really shouldn't be open to that sort of interpretation. If the offence was committed then the card should be shown.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2015, 08:59:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2015, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 06, 2015, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
Should Cluxton not have got a black card anyway? COC actually performing a great piece of skill to score the goal is irrelevant to the fact that he was taken down quite cynically.
Ah, let it go! Probably yes. But it would have been really harsh. Time to talk about the final.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I could care less about Mayo. :D I just genuinely wonder what the rule interpretation is on this instance. Cluxton clearly fouls him but the goal was scored, yes it would be harsh but it really shouldn't be open to that sort of interpretation. If the offence was committed then the card should be shown.
Yeah, i agree the
intent is there to cynically stop a score. God knows the GAA are such a mess with rules they probably have not thought of the scenario where a player cynically fouled actually scores. And beyond that comment i don't care. Because the GAA don't care and will wing it until the next Tiernan McCann sorta media driven issue arises and issue a 8 week ban which will be overturned.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
Knowing our luck, Cluxton would have got a yellow and Cillian would have missed the penalty. :P
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I think Mayo are now further away from winning the All Ireland than two years ago. A few here feared they peaked in 2013 they could be right. Not good enough defensively more than a lack of scoring power is why this Mayo panel of players haven't won Sam in my opinion.
In fairness, last year was our year. But the gods conspired against us banged Aidan's and Cillians head together and handed us the most biased Referee in the history of the GAA in an away provincial venue. You could not script it. But hey we'll go away lick our wounds and take stock. People say we got no one new this year. I beg to differ. Parsons is no longer a bit player. We also have blooded Durcan and Diarmuid O'Connor at a very high level. This week will have stood hugely to those players.
The younger O'Connor was starting last year. You also seem to have lost Jason Gibbons down the cracks.
Ah, he got an hour or so against ye. And he was out of this debt at the time. Could have been cast away. Probably being Cillian's brother helped him. Anyway he has grown this year. A great addition like Durcan. And Parsons is like a new signing as they'd say in Soccer.
Heard from a very reliable source that Tom Parsons fractured his thumb mid week at training
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2015, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
Knowing our luck, Cluxton would have got a yellow and Cillian would have missed the penalty. :P
Nothing to do with luck I'm afraid.
Why did you not go with the young lads such as Durcan, drake and coen? Surely they would have been a better bet than the tried and failed vaughan, Doherty etc?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 06, 2015, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on September 06, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Coc would have been better off going down and getting a penalty and a black card for Cluxton.
Knowing our luck, Cluxton would have got a yellow and Cillian would have missed the penalty. :P
Nothing to do with luck I'm afraid.
Why did you not go with the young lads such as Durcan, drake and coen? Surely they would have been a better bet than the tried and failed vaughan, Doherty etc?
Drake is pretty much the same age as Vaughan.
Well that's it for another generation of the green and red. The new management did ok to an extent and so did the previous but counties with lesser quality have won the whole shebang. This management will probably go the full term and this group will have passed their shelf-life with them. That's the way it goes I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntveBZsYtlM
Tom Parsons is fierce like Eoin McLove from Fr Ted.
Johnny Cooper acting the thug again on Saturday, similar to Keegan the week before in that the aggressor basically got off. The referee should have more common sense in knowing that the rule he used to black card him was not really applicable in that particular scenario.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 07, 2015, 08:19:30 AM
Johnny Cooper acting the thug again on Saturday, similar to Keegan the week before in that the aggressor basically got off. The referee should have more common sense in knowing that the rule he used to black card him was not really applicable in that particular scenario.
yellow would have been the right call in the circumstances.
very enjoyably game of football. Mayo imploded when 4 points up, had a brain freeze when keep ball and empty the Dublin players tanks for 5/6 mins may well have done the trick
should be a good final.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on September 07, 2015, 08:19:30 AM
Johnny Cooper acting the thug again on Saturday, similar to Keegan the week before in that the aggressor basically got off. The referee should have more common sense in knowing that the rule he used to black card him was not really applicable in that particular scenario.
yellow would have been the right call in the circumstances.
very enjoyably game of football. Mayo imploded when 4 points up, had a brain freeze when keep ball and empty the Dublin players tanks for 5/6 mins may well have done the trick
should be a good final.
Cooper should also have been carded.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 07, 2015, 08:19:30 AM
Johnny Cooper acting the thug again on Saturday, similar to Keegan the week before in that the aggressor basically got off. The referee should have more common sense in knowing that the rule he used to black card him was not really applicable in that particular scenario.
"Acted the thug" might be a tad ott. Imo of course.
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Quote from: JoG2 on September 07, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 07, 2015, 08:19:30 AM
Johnny Cooper acting the thug again on Saturday, similar to Keegan the week before in that the aggressor basically got off. The referee should have more common sense in knowing that the rule he used to black card him was not really applicable in that particular scenario.
yellow would have been the right call in the circumstances.
very enjoyably game of football. Mayo imploded when 4 points up, had a brain freeze when keep ball and empty the Dublin players tanks for 5/6 mins may well have done the trick
should be a good final.
Cooper should also have been carded.
correct
Very enjoyable game of football. IMO this Mayo team are the best team never to win an All Ireland. Keggans miss was a killer, they looked in complete control till Brogan did that fortunate bit of magic. How SOS did not get yellow instead of black is the only blight on an otherwise very good performance by Kinsella. The likes of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are so far ahead of the rest, all will be back in next years semis again.
Very enjoyable game and made much easier to ref by the players attitudes compared to last week. Mayo really have a major problem mentally and also their lack of scoring forwards hurts them. Dubs finished the game fantastically well, reminiscent of our last two victories over Kerry to be honest, so hopefully we can do three in a row over the Kingdom. Bernard is having his best season in a blue jersey and Fenton has been a real find. Tickets scramble officially open
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 06, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
You can clearly see the ball has switched hands before any contact with O'Connor therefore it's a free out.
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The complete misunderstanding of this rule bugs the shit out of me. This was not a foul. You get gulpins shouting this at every game at every level without ever knowing the rule itself. A bit like "show ball" which is another nonsense!
Yes!!!! That is not switching hands. edit Sorry lads, I just saw ye've all agreed on this :) The reason I was so emphatic is because it annoys me too, and I saw someone on facebook giving out about it as well. Does my nut in.
As a point on SOS' black card. At no point in the rules does it mention anywhere that a pull down has to be during play. The rule is very simple and very clear, if you deliberately pull someone down it is a black card.
The SOS incident should be used as a textbook example to be honest. Just because Cooper is smarter than SOS is no reason he should just get a yellow. Cooper should have gotten a yellow as well of course but O'Shea should have more sense than that! Also Keegan should have got a black card for the same thing last week!
Quote from: screenexile on September 07, 2015, 10:54:18 AM
As a point on SOS' black card. At no point in the rules does it mention anywhere that a pull down has to be during play. The rule is very simple and very clear, if you deliberately pull someone down it is a black card.
The SOS incident should be used as a textbook example to be honest. Just because Cooper is smarter than SOS is no reason he should just get a yellow. Cooper should have gotten a yellow as well of course but O'Shea should have more sense than that! Also Keegan should have got a black card for the same thing last week!
Cooper should have got a black as per the rules too then going by your logic.
Of course the rules don't state in play if you are being pedantic about it, although everyone in the world knows that it is meant for offences during the course of play and not an off the ball incident (which shouldn't have been a black anyway as he threw his to the ground as opposed to dragging him down).
Quote from: Rudi on September 07, 2015, 10:13:34 AM
Very enjoyable game of football. IMO this Mayo team are the best team never to win an All Ireland. Keggans miss was a killer, they looked in complete control till Brogan did that fortunate bit of magic. How SOS did not get yellow instead of black is the only blight on an otherwise very good performance by Kinsella. The likes of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are so far ahead of the rest, all will be back in next years semis again.
Did Mayo ever think of paying a hitman?
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 07, 2015, 11:09:41 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 07, 2015, 10:54:18 AM
As a point on SOS' black card. At no point in the rules does it mention anywhere that a pull down has to be during play. The rule is very simple and very clear, if you deliberately pull someone down it is a black card.
The SOS incident should be used as a textbook example to be honest. Just because Cooper is smarter than SOS is no reason he should just get a yellow. Cooper should have gotten a yellow as well of course but O'Shea should have more sense than that! Also Keegan should have got a black card for the same thing last week!
Cooper should have got a black as per the rules too then going by your logic.
Of course the rules don't state in play if you are being pedantic about it, although everyone in the world knows that it is meant for offences during the course of play and not an off the ball incident (which shouldn't have been a black anyway as he threw his to the ground as opposed to dragging him down).
A pull down is a pull down regardless of a dragging or a throwing.
I personally don't see why there should there be a distinction between open play and not?
All about the way you say/write it. SO'S didn't pull Cooper down he grabbed him around the neck like a turkey and flung him to the ground. It's a yellow maybe even red card - the black card was brought in for more cynical play where as here O'Shea lost the plot momentarily due to Cooper up to his usual niggly ways.
Quote from: screenexile on September 07, 2015, 11:53:01 AM
A pull down is a pull down regardless of a dragging or a throwing.
I personally don't see why there should there be a distinction between open play and not?
Let me repeat: could O'Shea have been sanctioned were there no black card at all? Yes, of course, and it would have been at least a yellow (it wasn't a pull down by the way, it was a throw down).
THE BLACK CARD IS
NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR ANY EXISTING SANCTION.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 07, 2015, 10:54:18 AM
As a point on SOS' black card. At no point in the rules does it mention anywhere that a pull down has to be during play. The rule is very simple and very clear, if you deliberately pull someone down it is a black card.
The SOS incident should be used as a textbook example to be honest. Just because Cooper is smarter than SOS is no reason he should just get a yellow. Cooper should have gotten a yellow as well of course but O'Shea should have more sense than that! Also Keegan should have got a black card for the same thing last week!
Cooper should have got a black as per the rules too then going by your logic.
Of course the rules don't state in play if you are being pedantic about it, although everyone in the world knows that it is meant for offences during the course of play and not an off the ball incident (which shouldn't have been a black anyway as he threw his to the ground as opposed to dragging him down).
A pull down is a pull down regardless of a dragging or a throwing.
I personally don't see why there should there be a distinction between open play and not?
Maybe because the black card was brought in to stop cynical play and to allow more free flowing football. It wasn't really brought in to deter any of the handbags that go on at times off the ball.
Theres a big difference between a pull down and a throw too. Obviously though the wording of the rule has left it open, any kind of tackle which is made to deliberately disrupt a sequence of play should be a black card offence, not just a drag down.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 07, 2015, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 07, 2015, 11:53:01 AM
A pull down is a pull down regardless of a dragging or a throwing.
I personally don't see why there should there be a distinction between open play and not?
Let me repeat: could O'Shea have been sanctioned were there no black card at all? Yes, of course, and it would have been at least a yellow (it wasn't a pull down by the way, it was a throw down).
THE BLACK CARD IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR ANY EXISTING SANCTION.
Why do you say that Fear? A trip, for example, would have gotten you a yellow card in years gone by.
Fair point AZ, and yes, there are some offences where the black will supplant the yellow (a particularly memorable example from 2013 comes to mind ;) ).
I don't believe that this particular infraction (O'Shea's) comes in under that scope though.
The intention was really to avoid professional fouls or the cynical slowing down of play anywhere on the field. This doesn't really apply to off the ball.
That being said you do have a point. By the letter of the law it was a pull down and so he had to get a black. Just like neck high tackles are always yellow. Refs are just following rules.
Neil Gallagher did pretty much the same thing to Rory O'Carroll in last years SF and got a yellow.
Best of luck to the Dubs. The best team won. No complaints. At the game I was praying for the McMahon goal to be disallowed, even if it was I don't think it would have made a difference to the outcome. We were getting pulled apart around the middle of the field, our lads didn't have the legs this year for a quick turnaround replay. We might be placing too much emphasis on weights whereas the Dubs clearly work hard on stamina and speed.
If any other team under a new management got to a semi final they would be delighted. All things considered our management did ok and were unlucky that Regan got injured during the year. We have a few young lads coming through and it will be good to see them out early in the league. We need 10 fresh replacements to our squad and at least 5 new lads for the 1st fifteen that started the last day.
We also need to tweak our gameplan for the league next year and just stick to it.
The Dubs will probably be thanking us at the end of the month for giving them 2 of their tougher games all year. I feel they now have been tested harder than Kerry and should win the final.
Quote from: highorlow on September 07, 2015, 03:05:11 PM
Best of luck to the Dubs. The best team won. No complaints. At the game I was praying for the McMahon goal to be disallowed, even if it was I don't think it would have made a difference to the outcome. We were getting pulled apart around the middle of the field, our lads didn't have the legs this year for a quick turnaround replay. We might be placing too much emphasis on weights whereas the Dubs clearly work hard on stamina and speed.
If any other team under a new management got to a semi final they would be delighted. All things considered our management did ok and were unlucky that Regan got injured during the year. We have a few young lads coming through and it will be good to see them out early in the league. We need 10 fresh replacements to our squad and at least 5 new lads for the 1st fifteen that started the last day.
We also need to tweak our gameplan for the league next year and just stick to it.
The Dubs will probably be thanking us at the end of the month for giving them 2 of their tougher games all year. I feel they now have been tested harder than Kerry and should win the final.
I think 10 new players in the panel is a bit much to expect highorlow! Can you really say 10 of this years panel don't deserve to be there?
Quote from: highorlow on September 07, 2015, 03:05:11 PM
Best of luck to the Dubs. The best team won. No complaints. At the game I was praying for the McMahon goal to be disallowed, even if it was I don't think it would have made a difference to the outcome. We were getting pulled apart around the middle of the field, our lads didn't have the legs this year for a quick turnaround replay. We might be placing too much emphasis on weights whereas the Dubs clearly work hard on stamina and speed.
If any other team under a new management got to a semi final they would be delighted. All things considered our management did ok and were unlucky that Regan got injured during the year. We have a few young lads coming through and it will be good to see them out early in the league. We need 10 fresh replacements to our squad and at least 5 new lads for the 1st fifteen that started the last day.
We also need to tweak our gameplan for the league next year and just stick to it.
The Dubs will probably be thanking us at the end of the month for giving them 2 of their tougher games all year. I feel they now have been tested harder than Kerry and should win the final.
Not that it matters now but I think it's quite unlikely you'd have been pulled apart at MF the way you were if Seamus O'Shea was on.
QuoteI think 10 new players in the panel is a bit much to expect highorlow! Can you really say 10 of this years panel don't deserve to be there?
We might as well try and bring in new lads now. Four years with the same type / group of player without the ultimate prize hasn't worked.
Likely to be 3 lads retiring anyhow.
QuoteNot that it matters now but I think it's quite unlikely you'd have been pulled apart at MF the way you were if Seamus O'Shea was on.
I think it was more to do with the Dublin subs rather than SOS going off. Andy Moran caused havoc and effectively got us to a four point lead, he was the SOS replacement.
I'd say H & C regret not starting the same team again, we needed another Barry Moran for the last 15 mins.
Quote from: highorlow on September 07, 2015, 03:48:24 PM
QuoteI think 10 new players in the panel is a bit much to expect highorlow! Can you really say 10 of this years panel don't deserve to be there?
We might as well try and bring in new lads now. Four years with the same type / group of player without the ultimate prize hasn't worked.
Likely to be 3 lads retiring anyhow.
Dillon seems obvious but who else? I'd be surprised if Andy retires this year tbh.
Quote from: highorlow on September 07, 2015, 03:52:02 PM
QuoteNot that it matters now but I think it's quite unlikely you'd have been pulled apart at MF the way you were if Seamus O'Shea was on.
I think it was more to do with the Dublin subs rather than SOS going off. Andy Moran caused havoc and effectively got us to a four point lead, he was the SOS replacement.
I'd say H & C regret not starting the same team again, we needed another Barry Moran for the last 15 mins.
You could be right. I think it may have been a bit of both.
Hard luck Mayo.
Hard luck to the other folk as well who were cheering on Mayo to see Dublin beat, you may get your wish in the final but hopefully not.
Delighted we won, delighted.
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Congrats to Dublin. Better team on the day and took their chances well.
Hard luck to our lads though. 5 semis in a row now. Of the last 4 semis they were in 2 All Irelands and lost back to back semis after a replay. Tough going and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them pack it in. By all accounts it's serious hard graft at that level. Not sure we have that many replacements though.
Maybe Jason Gibbons should be there and Conroy (if he gets over the injury). And Regan should add to the inside line. Only other maybe is Stephen Coen but I'm not sure he has the pace at this level. And pace is what its about I think. Dublin have that in spades. Kerry have it as well in O'Donoghue and O'Sullivan. I'm not sure we do and I don't think you can coach it or train it.
Hope Andy doesn't go though. He's still good enough at this level imo.
A few things on the match,
-I don't buy the theory that Andy Moran didn't have 70 minutes in him. He's 32 and younger than the likes of Seán Cavanagh, Marc Ó Sé and a host of other inter-county players who routinely go the full 70. Both day's he came on, he was close enough to being our best forward from play. Fair enough, he gives an impact coming off the bench but we don't have the enough in the forward department to keep the likes of him out for the majority of a game.
-Goalkeeper- Look it's probably the most thankless position on the pitch. You can do 99 things right in a match but you'll be remembered for the one thing that went wrong. In saying that though, the first 2 Dublin goals came directly from poor Robbie kickouts. The 2nd one was unforgivable imo as Diarmuid was in an acre of space to his right and instead he hoofed it down the field (ala Kerry replay last year.) I think Robbie is a good keeper, he's just prone to the odd lapse at crucial moments and at this level you get massively punished. I noticed that Clarke took a full part in the warm-up of the drawn match and appeared OK to me. Leads me to believe that the switch was tactical, If so its a continuation of managements puzzling practice of switching goalkeepers, a practice that's been going on since the beginning of the league.
-Maybe changing the keeper, was another part of 'the horses for courses' approach that was adopted throughout the year. I think the approach backfired over the course of the 2 games. It appeared like players were unsure of their roll at times and it's hard to blame them when you are switching from a sweeper system to all out attack so regularly. I would cite Philly McMahon (and Fenton for the first goal) getting loose so easily as an example of Mayo players not knowing whose roll it was to do the tracking. Having one concrete plan/philosophy provides solidity and allows players to know exactly what their roll is on the pitch.
Having said all that, an All-Ireland Semi final replay in a managements first year is not a bad return. It's just frustrating when you believe, as I do, that we could have won that match had different decisions been made on the line. Well done to Dublin who were the better team over the 2 days. We will, as ever, be back and our day will come.
Maigh Eo Abú.
Anybody think there could be an actual Keith Higgins retirement?
Kerry would have absolutely taken us apart in the final had we won
Thanks and appreciated.
Quote from: Dubhaltach on September 07, 2015, 05:47:48 PM
A few things on the match,
-I don't buy the theory that Andy Moran didn't have 70 minutes in him. He's 32 and younger than the likes of Seán Cavanagh, Marc Ó Sé and a host of other inter-county players who routinely go the full 70. Both day's he came on, he was close enough to being our best forward from play. Fair enough, he gives an impact coming off the bench but we don't have the enough in the forward department to keep the likes of him out for the majority of a game.
-Goalkeeper- Look it's probably the most thankless position on the pitch. You can do 99 things right in a match but you'll be remembered for the one thing that went wrong. In saying that though, the first 2 Dublin goals came directly from poor Robbie kickouts. The 2nd one was unforgivable imo as Diarmuid was in an acre of space to his right and instead he hoofed it down the field (ala Kerry replay last year.) I think Robbie is a good keeper, he's just prone to the odd lapse at crucial moments and at this level you get massively punished. I noticed that Clarke took a full part in the warm-up of the drawn match and appeared OK to me. Leads me to believe that the switch was tactical, If so its a continuation of managements puzzling practice of switching goalkeepers, a practice that's been going on since the beginning of the league.
-Maybe changing the keeper, was another part of 'the horses for courses' approach that was adopted throughout the year. I think the approach backfired over the course of the 2 games. It appeared like players were unsure of their roll at times and it's hard to blame them when you are switching from a sweeper system to all out attack so regularly. I would cite Philly McMahon (and Fenton for the first goal) getting loose so easily as an example of Mayo players not knowing whose roll it was to do the tracking. Having one concrete plan/philosophy provides solidity and allows players to know exactly what their roll is on the pitch.
Having said all that, an All-Ireland Semi final replay in a managements first year is not a bad return. It's just frustrating when you believe, as I do, that we could have won that match had different decisions been made on the line. Well done to Dublin who were the better team over the 2 days. We will, as ever, be back and our day will come.
Maigh Eo Abú.
It's more andy moran's injuries than his age though. Seems to have lost a good bit of pace.
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Could also be that he was outplayed by someone 6 inches smaller and about 2 stone lighter
Hasn't been a week for O Se to remember
He was ineffective at full forward and proved he hasn't the legs for midfield when Brian Fenton who is the same height left him for dead for the 1st and 3rd goals
For all the talk of Mayo got wrong it was the switch of O Se to midfield that cost them the match . At least at full forward he had to be watched . At midfield he was a liability
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 07, 2015, 05:52:23 PM
Kerry would have absolutely taken us apart in the final had we won
What a stupid statement to make.How do you know that ?.Hear this kind of stuff from a lot of Mayo supporters like [shur it is better to get beaten early on because we would only get hammered in the final.If we did get to the final and Kerry beat us so what.How are we ever supposed to win a final if we do not get to a final.Does my head in.
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Yep, seemed to be words exchanged between them at the end of the game from what I saw. Didn't go any further as Dublin players kept interrupting to shake AOS's hands . Nothing in it.
AOS to his credit went out of his way to shake hands with alot of Dublin players, as did they. Classy way to finish out a championship on his part. Hope he gets his hands on Sam some day.
Only an observation, but got the impression after the game that any bitterness between two teams in the past well and trully over.
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 07, 2015, 05:52:23 PM
Kerry would have absolutely taken us apart in the final had we won
What a stupid statement to make.How do you know that ?.Hear this kind of stuff from a lot of Mayo supporters like [shur it is better to get beaten early on because we would only get hammered in the final.If we did get to the final and Kerry beat us so what.How are we ever supposed to win a final if we do not get to a final.Does my head in.
I'm not saying that, I'd much rather get beaten by Kerry in the final than Dublin in the semi, I'm not saying it would be better beat in the semi final I'm just saying they would have
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 07, 2015, 05:52:23 PM
Kerry would have absolutely taken us apart in the final had we won
Think you are very wrong there. Imo of course.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Could also be that he was outplayed by someone 6 inches smaller and about 2 stone lighter
Hasn't been a week for O Se to remember
He was ineffective at full forward and proved he hasn't the legs for midfield when Brian Fenton who is the same height left him for dead for the 1st and 3rd goals
For all the talk of Mayo got wrong it was the switch of O Se to midfield that cost them the match . At least at full forward he had to be watched . At midfield he was a liability
Well who would you have put in Midfield? Parsons played with a broken finger and was clearly feeling the effects of it in his handling of the ball in the last quarter. Sheamie was Black Carded. Moran was shagged. Who was there?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2015, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Could also be that he was outplayed by someone 6 inches smaller and about 2 stone lighter
Hasn't been a week for O Se to remember
He was ineffective at full forward and proved he hasn't the legs for midfield when Brian Fenton who is the same height left him for dead for the 1st and 3rd goals
For all the talk of Mayo got wrong it was the switch of O Se to midfield that cost them the match . At least at full forward he had to be watched . At midfield he was a liability
Well who would you have put in Midfield? Parsons played with a broken finger and was clearly feeling the effects of it in his handling of the ball in the last quarter. Sheamie was Black Carded. Moran was shagged. Who was there?
If the Mayo management hadn't got rid of Jason Gibbons the answer would have been obvious. But sure what can managers do, Indy?
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Connolly and Keegan shook hands and hugged
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 07, 2015, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Connolly and Keegan shook hands and hugged
In fairness Keegan would have known the week he went through.
Not surprised Aido didn't want to shake hands with McMahon. Horrendous stuff in the 1st game by all accounts. >:(
Quote from: ballinaman on September 07, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Not surprised Aido didn't want to shake hands with McMahon. Horrendous stuff in the 1st game by all accounts. >:(
Ah wasn't that bad
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/1050907/
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Quote from: ballinaman on September 07, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Not surprised Aido didn't want to shake hands with McMahon. Horrendous stuff in the 1st game by all accounts. >:(
Ah wasn't that bad
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/1050907/
Pushed him away after that and shook hands with other Dublin players, Cluxton was there.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2015, 08:06:56 PM
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Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Could also be that he was outplayed by someone 6 inches smaller and about 2 stone lighter
Hasn't been a week for O Se to remember
He was ineffective at full forward and proved he hasn't the legs for midfield when Brian Fenton who is the same height left him for dead for the 1st and 3rd goals
For all the talk of Mayo got wrong it was the switch of O Se to midfield that cost them the match . At least at full forward he had to be watched . At midfield he was a liability
Well who would you have put in Midfield? Parsons played with a broken finger and was clearly feeling the effects of it in his handling of the ball in the last quarter. Sheamie was Black Carded. Moran was shagged. Who was there?
The goose was cooked before the game. Why did you start Barry Moran. You put all your eggs into the one basket and left yourselves with nothing to bring on at midfield for the latter stages.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 07, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Not surprised Aido didn't want to shake hands with McMahon. Horrendous stuff in the 1st game by all accounts. >:(
Mc Mahon is a well known pup. But O Se is a man mountain and should be able to look after himself at this level.
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Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Could also be that he was outplayed by someone 6 inches smaller and about 2 stone lighter
Hasn't been a week for O Se to remember
He was ineffective at full forward and proved he hasn't the legs for midfield when Brian Fenton who is the same height left him for dead for the 1st and 3rd goals
For all the talk of Mayo got wrong it was the switch of O Se to midfield that cost them the match . At least at full forward he had to be watched . At midfield he was a liability
Well who would you have put in Midfield? Parsons played with a broken finger and was clearly feeling the effects of it in his handling of the ball in the last quarter. Sheamie was Black Carded. Moran was shagged. Who was there?
The goose was cooked before the game. Why did you start Barry Moran. You put all your eggs into the one basket and left yourselves with nothing to bring on at midfield for the latter stages.
I cant believe this clown is still posting on this site and even worse people responding to him. Indiana you let yourself down badly last week and proved beyond doubt to anyone who didn't already know that you are complete spoofer.
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Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Could also be that he was outplayed by someone 6 inches smaller and about 2 stone lighter
Hasn't been a week for O Se to remember
He was ineffective at full forward and proved he hasn't the legs for midfield when Brian Fenton who is the same height left him for dead for the 1st and 3rd goals
For all the talk of Mayo got wrong it was the switch of O Se to midfield that cost them the match . At least at full forward he had to be watched . At midfield he was a liability
Well who would you have put in Midfield? Parsons played with a broken finger and was clearly feeling the effects of it in his handling of the ball in the last quarter. Sheamie was Black Carded. Moran was shagged. Who was there?
The goose was cooked before the game. Why did you start Barry Moran. You put all your eggs into the one basket and left yourselves with nothing to bring on at midfield for the latter stages.
I cant believe this clown is still posting on this site and even worse people responding to him. Indiana you let yourself down badly last week and proved beyond doubt to anyone who didn't already know that you are complete spoofer.
And if you think any part of me is bothered in the slightest you're very mistaken. 31v1 never has and never will be any different.
It's not 31 v 1 when you play kerry.
Do you really think it's only 31 people on here who think you're a bluffer??? ;D
The level of verbal abuse he lowered too was vile.
It made jibing about suicides and mothers who died in car crashes look like a bit o craic
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2015, 09:39:50 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 07, 2015, 09:15:34 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2015, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on September 07, 2015, 06:25:39 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 07, 2015, 05:41:35 PM
Noticed that Aiden O Shea did not shake hands with McMahon after the game.Would not blame him after all the sledging from McMahon the first day.I guess what happens on the field did not stay on the field in this instance
Could also be that he was outplayed by someone 6 inches smaller and about 2 stone lighter
Hasn't been a week for O Se to remember
He was ineffective at full forward and proved he hasn't the legs for midfield when Brian Fenton who is the same height left him for dead for the 1st and 3rd goals
For all the talk of Mayo got wrong it was the switch of O Se to midfield that cost them the match . At least at full forward he had to be watched . At midfield he was a liability
Well who would you have put in Midfield? Parsons played with a broken finger and was clearly feeling the effects of it in his handling of the ball in the last quarter. Sheamie was Black Carded. Moran was shagged. Who was there?
The goose was cooked before the game. Why did you start Barry Moran. You put all your eggs into the one basket and left yourselves with nothing to bring on at midfield for the latter stages.
I cant believe this clown is still posting on this site and even worse people responding to him. Indiana you let yourself down badly last week and proved beyond doubt to anyone who didn't already know that you are complete spoofer.
And if you think any part of me is bothered in the slightest you're very mistaken. 31v1 never has and never will be any different.
Most of the Mayo posters here said before the weekend that they would back Dublin if we lost. Sure we all like to beat Dublin. Your are being paranoid. Barry Moran starting probably had a lot to do with Parson's broken finger.
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2015, 09:48:29 PM
The level of verbal abuse he lowered too was vile.
It made jibing about suicides and mothers who died in car crashes look like a bit o craic
Hyperbole of the highest order. You really are a waffler.
Unfortunately not. Not that I care. Just let all belonging to him down.
All that stuff eventually gets out.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/Moysider12/Rob%20Hennelly_zpso5rhnnu6.jpg)
Robbie Hennelly will not want to see this photo!!!!
Quote from: ballinaman on September 07, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Not surprised Aido didn't want to shake hands with McMahon. Horrendous stuff in the 1st game by all accounts. >:(
And what about O'Shea claiming after the first game, about being headbutted, when video evidence emerged later on, that clearly showed that he wasn't? McMahon is no choir boy, but claiming you were headbutted, to get someone into trouble retrospectively, is a pretty shitty thing to do. Lets not pretend that AO'S is an innocent angel either.
Why what O`Shea do that hes no angel? McMahon should been suspended for this game for an attempted headbutt
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Quote from: ballinaman on September 07, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Not surprised Aido didn't want to shake hands with McMahon. Horrendous stuff in the 1st game by all accounts. >:(
And what about O'Shea claiming after the first game, about being headbutted, when video evidence emerged later on, that clearly showed that he wasn't? McMahon is no choir boy, but claiming you were headbutted, to get someone into trouble retrospectively, is a pretty shitty thing to do. Lets not pretend that AO'S is an innocent angel either.
Cop on. McMahon could have split him if he wanted to but he did put his head in. An aggressive approach and ott. Remember AOS was just responding to a question from the press as well. Somebody even making a gesture of a head-butt is a no-no anywhere, anytime. The extent of the contact has nothing to do with it. What happened, happened. Why was he even sticking his head in anywhere anyway?
Anyway that is not the substantive issue between them. I think it is better to leave it at that.
The video evidence clearly shows O'Shea with his fist around the neck of Philly shirt, pulling him towards him. Go to the Indos website, they have the video on there for the world to see. As the GAA came out and said that Philly had no case to answer, you'd have to imagine that they saw it too. But some people just want to convince themselves that O'Shea is this harmless gentle giant, who can do no wrong.
Don't be silly. Do you really think that O Shea was that bothered about that bit of a skirmish and the head- butting nonsense? I saw him get whaled with cheap shots by whippersnappers in a club game a couple of months ago. He's well used to it every day he goes out.
I suspect you may have noticed that several Dublin players shook AOS hand at the end of the game the last day. Go figure. The vast majority of that Dublin team are class acts. They knew.
Unless there's a major upset in Leinster or Munster next year, Mayo can get to the All Ireland final without having to face Kerry or Dublin. Then one big performance as underdogs and Sam 2016 is their's !
Anyone who thinks Mayo are not capable of beating Dublin and/or Kerry are deluded. Tiny margins this year and last year. Only thing for it is to keep going.
When was the last time Mayo won the league? Going all out to win it next year might be a good idea.
Ya the thing about next year is that Mayo avoid Kerry & The Dubs (assuming the 3 of them retain their provincial titles which while not certain is likely) until the AI final.
And Mayo are still better than all of the others so they should be good enough to make the final again.
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Kerry would have absolutely taken us apart in the final had we won
What a stupid statement to make.How do you know that ?.Hear this kind of stuff from a lot of Mayo supporters like [shur it is better to get beaten early on because we would only get hammered in the final.If we did get to the final and Kerry beat us so what.How are we ever supposed to win a final if we do not get to a final.Does my head in.
Hah? What's stupid about that?
Going by what I saw in the two Dublin games, Kerry would ate Mayo without salt and unless the Dubs improve their discipline 100%, Kerry will finish them off also.
Kerry are not a better side than Mayo, the reverse in fact but where tactics and general cop on are concerned, Mayo lag far behind them.
Old failings since the Horan era are still there and until Mayo stop making elementary, unforced mistakes, we can forget about All-Irelands.
For instance, the Mayo defence is prone to leaking goals- often because backs fail to stick with their man or get drawn out of position time and time again. Philly McMahon the last day missed a sitter when he blazed over with no one around to tackle him. Now if that had been just about any of the others, he would have scored a very soft goal indeed.
Donaghy in Limerick last year got a soft one also. Brogan in 2013 etc. etc...the list goes on.
Boyle was supposed to be sweeper the last day.
He was nowhere to be seen when McMahon was put through and indeed he didn't seem to know what he was supposed to do. He was virtually anonymous throughout the game and it was easy to see that he had no idea of what a sweeper is supposed to do.
Aidan O'Sé made little impact on the game. Think back to Limerick last year and compare Aido on Saturday with Donaghy in the replay. Ball after ball dropped down on the big hoor and Caff was left on his own to try and deal with him.
By contrast, The Dubs had three ready to pounce any time O'Se got a pass. Now, if it takes three men to mark anyone, it follows that two of his colleagues will be free. I didn't see a single instance when a Mayo player positioned himself to get a breakdown from Aidan. Think of Donaghy and James O'Donahoe last year and you won't need a degree in rocket science to spot the difference.
This is the best Mayo side that I have ever seen and without doubt there's at least one All-Ireland in them but elementary mistakes aided by lack of tactical nous on the sideline has seen to it that we could be waiting a long time for that to happen.
Those two things (how to play a sweeper and how to use a big man on the square) are relatively easily coached Lar and if we can remedy those, we won't be too far away next year. Both tactics were new enough to this group so there's no reason we shouldn't be better at both come next year if the coaching is there. Decision making on the line is another story but who knows, maybe H&C will have learned from this year as well - that remains to be seen obviously.
Now that you mention Dublin's discipline – Gavin must be raging at his players for getting three more frees moved forward for complaining at the ref. Absolute madness and in a game of tight margins, it could be their undoing
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 08, 2015, 11:05:25 AM
Those two things (how to play a sweeper and how to use a big man on the square) are relatively easily coached Lar and if we can remedy those, we won't be too far away next year. Both tactics were new enough to this group so there's no reason we shouldn't be better at both come next year if the coaching is there. Decision making on the line is another story but who knows, maybe H&C will have learned from this year as well - that remains to be seen obviously.
Now that you mention Dublin's discipline – Gavin must be raging at his players for getting three more frees moved forward for complaining at the ref. Absolute madness and in a game of tight margins, it could be their undoing
They had he whole league to nail down a sweeper and they didn't. Clear example from the drawn game what not to do and they did it again. Do not pump shite balls into Aido, doesn't work. Did it again in 1st half. That's down to coaching.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 08, 2015, 11:05:25 AM
Those two things (how to play a sweeper and how to use a big man on the square) are relatively easily coached Lar and if we can remedy those, we won't be too far away next year. Both tactics were new enough to this group so there's no reason we shouldn't be better at both come next year if the coaching is there. Decision making on the line is another story but who knows, maybe H&C will have learned from this year as well - that remains to be seen obviously.
Now that you mention Dublin's discipline – Gavin must be raging at his players for getting three more frees moved forward for complaining at the ref. Absolute madness and in a game of tight margins, it could be their undoing
They had he whole league to nail down a sweeper and they didn't. Clear example from the drawn game what not to do and they did it again. Do not pump shite balls into Aido, doesn't work. Did it again in 1st half. That's down to coaching.
That's it. High loopy balls from any angle will do! In that case putting big Barry up there alongside AO'Shea had to be done , even for a spell. We were very predictable during both games and never forced Dublin to adapt during the game. Effectively making life easier on Galvin and allowing him to change tact as required.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 08, 2015, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 08, 2015, 11:05:25 AM
Those two things (how to play a sweeper and how to use a big man on the square) are relatively easily coached Lar and if we can remedy those, we won't be too far away next year. Both tactics were new enough to this group so there's no reason we shouldn't be better at both come next year if the coaching is there. Decision making on the line is another story but who knows, maybe H&C will have learned from this year as well - that remains to be seen obviously.
Now that you mention Dublin's discipline – Gavin must be raging at his players for getting three more frees moved forward for complaining at the ref. Absolute madness and in a game of tight margins, it could be their undoing
They had he whole league to nail down a sweeper and they didn't. Clear example from the drawn game what not to do and they did it again. Do not pump shite balls into Aido, doesn't work. Did it again in 1st half. That's down to coaching.
We didn't play a sweeper in the league, did we?? If we play next years league with a sweeper, it gives us time to work on it. Obviously the question is why we didn't play with a sweeper earlier in the year when we knew it would be needed but that doesn't mean it's a problem that can't be fixed now
Granted we played with a big man at FF for a good few games in the league and still don't seem to be able to kick in decent balls (COC excepted); it's even that difficult FFS
Just read McGuinness' piece in the Times today, makes for good reading IMO. Can't argue with most of what he said. The two standout points being our approach and set up when we had a four point lead and our over reliance on AOS as our main forward outlet. There was plenty of opinion in the lead up to both games on AOS at FF and how maybe we should vary it ie bring him out the field or start Barry in beside him or anything that might unsettle the Dublin defence and force a re think. But we stuck with the same strategy on both games, leaving him isolated and double or triple marked with no support, and kicking poor quality ball into him. I've said it a few times before, we are unable to consistently deliver long range passes of decent quality to cause problems to the opposition. One example from Saturday was late in the first half. Colm Boyle on the ball outside the Dublin 40. O'Shea gets out in front of his marker. Boyle kicks a pass toward him. It goes a good 4-5m over O'Shea's head. O'Shea gestures frustratingly at Boyle. If that ball came in front of O'Shea he would've been one on one with his marker in a bit of space. To solely blame O'Shea for his performances the last 2 days was unfair, he was hamstrung by poor support and skills execution from outfield and tactics from the sideline.
I think Boyle as sweeper was not the right call either. I would be a Boyle fan, it's his physicality, tenacity and bravery that make him the player that he is. But it's exactly that sort of chase and hit everything that moves approach that makes him unsuited to that role. Ability to cover space, hold position and game reading are what was required. In the first half of the semi final against Kerry in 2011 we used McLoughlin as the sweeper in front of Donaghy and Cooper and it was quite effective. In the second half he was brought out the field. Cooper got a goal early in the second half and that was that. McLoughlin has never played that role again since. You have to wonder at what point, if ever, we are going to learn from our mistakes. A new management this year yet the same problem of conceding goals at critical times has undone us. As well as that, while different in approach we stuck with singular strategy with no variation in our attack that was dealt with both days compounded it.
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2015, 12:43:28 AM
Well that's it for another generation of the green and red. The new management did ok to an extent and so did the previous but counties with lesser quality have won the whole shebang. This management will probably go the full term and this group will have passed their shelf-life with them. That's the way it goes I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntveBZsYtlM
This it the most accurate and depressing post ive ever read on this forum.Same shite about lessons will be learned.We never fecking learn.Tactically were light years away from Dublin Kerry Donegal and Tyrone.The game has changed and we refuse to change with it.
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Unfortunately not. Not that I care. Just let all belonging to him down.
All that stuff eventually gets out.
What was said in general terms?
Quote from: Glensman on September 08, 2015, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Unfortunately not. Not that I care. Just let all belonging to him down.
All that stuff eventually gets out.
What was said in general terms?
Don't think a public forum is the place for this. As moy said, you'll hear about it sometime.
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Unfortunately not. Not that I care. Just let all belonging to him down.
All that stuff eventually gets out.
The problem is moy, we've heard this before about previous 'incidents' which have turned out to have no basis in fact.
I'm thinking specifically about the scurrilous allegations made against Martin O'Connell after the final in '96.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 08, 2015, 02:34:32 PM
Quote from: Glensman on September 08, 2015, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Unfortunately not. Not that I care. Just let all belonging to him down.
All that stuff eventually gets out.
What was said in general terms?
Don't think a public forum is the place for this. As moy said, you'll hear about it sometime.
I have come to the conclusion that how you comport yourself in life, in work and in sport has a funny way of coming full circle for you. Its a long road that doesn't turn!
If Mayo had Jim Mcgunness or Jack o Connor over the last 5-6 years they would probably have 1 all Ireland in my opinion. A lot of games lost on the line.
Full of concern and compassion for Mayo this week....
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 08, 2015, 06:01:17 PM
If Mayo had Jim Mcgunness or Jack o Connor over the last 5-6 years they would probably have 1 all Ireland in my opinion. A lot of games lost on the line.
Your probably right.Lions led by lambs
Quote from: Hound on September 08, 2015, 10:33:33 AM
Unless there's a major upset in Leinster or Munster next year, Mayo can get to the All Ireland final without having to face Kerry or Dublin. Then one big performance as underdogs and Sam 2016 is their's !
Anyone who thinks Mayo are not capable of beating Dublin and/or Kerry are deluded. Tiny margins this year and last year. Only thing for it is to keep going.
When was the last time Mayo won the league? Going all out to win it next year might be a good idea.
They need another forward. No team has won the AI recently without two crack scoring forwards . Diarmuid O Connor looks a much better player then his brother and if they could find another one of him it could be the balance. Cillian needs to lose the hard man image- he's no good at it and it's affecting his game.
Other things that need to be said too. Keith Higgins is done in the full back line. Releasing him to centre back could be huge.
Chris Barrett and Cafferky coped very well in the full back line.
Half back line isn't a problem. Neither is midfield
They have the O Connors and Doherty who can kick scores but they need another one in the DOC mould.
Patrick Durcan looks a good player.
Where Aidan O Se's best position is - is beyond me. I remember Zulu saying 5/6 years ago saying he wouldn't make the grade at this level because he has no pace. And he may well be proven right on that. It's very hard to operate now without it. I still think it's FF or nothing.
Someone like Fenton/Moran at midfield would just run the legs off him further out the pitch. They are probably one scoring forward and a tactical tweak away from winning it. Problem is those are hard decisions and Mayo have never had a manager who has been prepared to take the flak that goes with putting your arse in the bacon slicer.
Fair points INDIANA
I've always felt Mayo were at least another good forward away from winning an All Ireland although last year they had enough quality to have beaten Kerry then Donegal in the final. I've not watched the game but did think there was plenty of space in that Dublin back line but Mayo didn't have the forwards to punish them.
I've seen a few of the Mayo posters state that they have the players to replicate what JMcG did with Donegal in 2012, I still think their one forward short of been able to do that.
There is no way that this management team will be pushed or anything. But they need to be honest with themselves and step aside if they don t think they are the best for this team in the short term. The last 2 games would suggest they haven t got it when it comes to the rarefied atmosphere close to the summit.
I think we ve got a manager and a motivator but no coach/tactician. Or at least not one able to make a mark at this level even with a top panel. I would also question some of their selections when they needed to make decisions. e.g. The decision to start an obviously uncomfortable Vaughan was very costly on the scoreboard.
The decision to start Barry Moran left us lightweight at the end, even if they could not foresee Seamie being lined. Still starting all our big men was iffy.
Most people would agree that Boyle did not do well as sweeper the first day, yet........
Keith should have been moved out long ago.
I was surprised if they went with Hennelly if Clarke was fit for replay. Clarke was obviously their first choice before he got injured v Donegal - and understandably so.
I don t think joint managers is the way to go anyway. And deep down these 2 cant feel great about how things went v Dubs if they are honest.
I can t see them do better next time either. You just can t flick a switch and change your ways and your football philosophy. Neither has any coaching pedigree either and there won t be any change there either.
Great game and credit to both teams. I think Mayo's big problem no less than their predictable forward play is that nearly all their best and key players don't have the legs for a fast game. They were done with 20 mins left whereas Dublin have molded a team of very athletic players. Kerry do have the players to live with them.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 08, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Unfortunately not. Not that I care. Just let all belonging to him down.
All that stuff eventually gets out.
The problem is moy, we've heard this before about previous 'incidents' which have turned out to have no basis in fact.
I'm thinking specifically about the scurrilous allegations made against Martin O'Connell after the final in '96.
I honestly have no recollection of allegations against O' Connell.
Quote from: NetNitrate on September 08, 2015, 10:59:49 PM
Great game and credit to both teams. I think Mayo's big problem no less than their predictable forward play is that nearly all their best and key players don't have the legs for a fast game. They were done with 20 mins left whereas Dublin have molded a team of very athletic players. Kerry do have the players to live with them.
Maybe, but not because they are more athletic. Kerry are a better bet than Mayo because they will have their homework done better and arrive with a better game plan. As a result they will play with more composure and conviction.
People have being down on COC but he is 70% fit at best (hasn t been able to train properly all year and pace wouldn t be his forte anyway) and nursed from game to game. He needs a break to get himself right.
His brother is a completely different type of player so like comparing chalk with cheese.
Kevin McLoughlin is well off his match fitness as well. When he is right, few players move as well as he can. They are human. Look at Paul Flynn as well. Playing below par for some reason but nobody questioning his quality, nor should we.
But niggles and long-term debilitating conditions are stuff that all sports people live with and play with. All those things don t become public for obvious reasons. Often fans have no idea what's going on and why a player might appear to be struggling a bit and off form.
I really don't get lads having a dig at Cillian all the time.
He scored 2-15 in the two games. I think he was 100% for his frees. And that is half fit. He is always rushed back from injury - remember the two dislocated shoulders? He is always man marked by the best defender on the other side. WTF more can the lad do?
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2015, 01:24:38 PM
I really don't get lads having a dig at Cillian all the time.
He scored 2-15 in the two games. I think he was 100% for his frees. And that is half fit. He is always rushed back from injury - remember the two dislocated shoulders? He is always man marked by the best defender on the other side. WTF more can the lad do?
Over the two games, it was a majestic display of freetaking.
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2015, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2015, 01:24:38 PM
I really don't get lads having a dig at Cillian all the time.
He scored 2-15 in the two games. I think he was 100% for his frees. And that is half fit. He is always rushed back from injury - remember the two dislocated shoulders? He is always man marked by the best defender on the other side. WTF more can the lad do?
Over the two games, it was a majestic display of freetaking.
He free taking was superb, but it shouldn't get you MOM awards or an all star. Doesn't do enough from open play. His younger brother DOC is a better player. One of the main reasons Mayo haven't won big games is they don't have a go to forward who can get a score from nowhere despite being tightly marked. Real lack of pace in the forwards especially in the FF line.
Brilliant freetaking imo should not be sneered at. No reason why COC imo shouldn't get an Allstar.
Plenty of players and teams without AI medals because of a lack of a great freetaker. Plenty others swaggering around with them because of a great freetaker.
Cillian O'Connor won't even get nominated ffs
Quote from: Keane on September 09, 2015, 03:37:21 PM
Cillian O'Connor won't even get nominated ffs
I doubt he won't be nominated.
COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
Darragh hits the nail on the head here: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-it-s-hard-to-feel-sympathy-for-mayo-1.2344699
Thought Mike Quirke in the examiner was a better article than Darragh OSe
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
I think the opposite is true. Rock a bit like COC. Can go missing in play but usually solid from placed balls. COC obviously a better player but Kerry have less options up front than Dublin.
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
I think the opposite is true. Rock a bit like COC. Can go missing in play but usually solid from placed balls. COC obviously a better player but Kerry have less options up front than Dublin.
Rock isn't nearly as solid from frees
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2015, 01:24:38 PM
I really don't get lads having a dig at Cillian all the time.
He scored 2-15 in the two games. I think he was 100% for his frees. And that is half fit. He is always rushed back from injury - remember the two dislocated shoulders? He is always man marked by the best defender on the other side. WTF more can the lad do?
He missed most of the latter part of this year's league with a knee problem, he was even rated as being doubtful in the build up to the Galway game. I'd say we have yet to to see COC play a full season injury free.
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2015, 01:24:38 PM
I really don't get lads having a dig at Cillian all the time.
He scored 2-15 in the two games. I think he was 100% for his frees. And that is half fit. He is always rushed back from injury - remember the two dislocated shoulders? He is always man marked by the best defender on the other side. WTF more can the lad do?
It's a debate I always have with several of your fellow county men, I don't rate him as highly as they do. He's a very good footballer, is outstanding from placed balls but doesn't score enough from open play in the big matches. In the 9 All Ireland semi finals and finals matches he's played in since 2011 he has 7 points from play. I know he's got a number of goals in those matches although most of them have been penalties.
He has age on his side and he's had his injury problems so maybe I'm been a bit harsh but only time will tell.
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Thought Alan Freeman would have had a bigger role with Mayo this year under a new management, or is his confidence still low from 2013 All Ireland final?
He knows where the posts are unlike a few other Mayo forwards, maybe lacks a bit of aggression.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 09, 2015, 06:46:54 PM
Thought Mike Quirke in the examiner was a better article than Darragh OSe
Agree. Between the two of them they nail our 2 biggest issues on the day. A goalkeeper meltdown and lack of coaching and tactical nous from the sideline.
We should be able to remedy the first issue but the second one is more problematic. Beyond repair imo.
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
I think the opposite is true. Rock a bit like COC. Can go missing in play but usually solid from placed balls. COC obviously a better player but Kerry have less options up front than Dublin.
Less options really?? I would be surprised if I heard a Dublin supporter make that argument. Now if Mannion, O'Gara, Costello (what's happened there?) were options then I could see an argument.
Kerry can pick six from Gooch, Donaghy, Michael Geaney, Darren O'Sullivan, Paul Geaney, Darren O'Sullivan, Stephen O'Brien, Donnacha Walsh, James O'Donoghue, BJ Keane, Johnny Buckley, Paul Galvin and Tommy Walsh!!
Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2015, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 09, 2015, 06:46:54 PM
Thought Mike Quirke in the examiner was a better article than Darragh OSe
Agree. Between the two of them they nail our 2 biggest issues on the day. A goalkeeper meltdown and lack of coaching and tactical nous from the sideline.
We should be able to remedy the first issue but the second one is more problematic. Beyond repair imo.
I'm not a fan of Pateen, but was it ever 'repaired' if you get me? The circumstances in which the pair were appointed last year was nothing short of disgraceful, and that interview, remember that! To be fair, all season, they seemed to be like 'lucky generals' and it is exactly what they are, for getting the team this far. I honestly thought that they had 'turned a corner' to borrow a phrase when they beat Donegal, yet the pundits were spot on. Donegal were a tired team with their medals and Mayo were badly shown up for most of the first game and couldn't finish the job off when 4 points up with 15 to go the last day. Dublin seemed to get their scores easier the both days too.
Just watched the game back there and took note of a few things:
- Starting B Moran was the losing of the game for me, we needed him to bring on to counteract the introduction of MDMA, particularly with the black card and the pace of the game
- The idea that Higgins was taken to the cleaners by Andrews is bullsh*t; 1st point he was on him but it was unstoppable as he had to stand off to cover KK from getting inside; 2nd one, he could have done better but it was still a good pt; 3rd, Caff was on him, could have done better; 4th, Caff again but was a class pt; final one, Barrett was on him but he came out to challenge MDMA and was unlucky not to win it. McM did take him for a point at the death as well though.
- I thought Barrett was excellent, played really tight no matter who he was marking
- Hard to say from the telly but our FB line seemed to rotate a lot, was this to keep Caff close to the square or what?
- In the first half, B Moran should have been picking up McMahon when he went forward, not Boyle who was on Flynn. It was a tough job though as McMahon was dropping back and then bursting forward
- AOS did ok, scored one and won 3 frees from which points were scored
- SOS was very good in the first half although the 9th Dublin point was from him trying to buy a free on the sideline
- Mayo fans booing Connolly were a disgrace
- Dublin were completely at sea until the goal, if we hadn't conceded that, they weren't coming back. Dublin got lucky with a terrible decision from Hennelly and a brilliant intervention from BB. The importance of Keegan's miss (which was at 45mins) is being overplayed
- The second goal was a throw but I think Dublin would have won anyway. Umpire should have noticed it though
- Dunno what he said to AOS but McMahon is an unlikeable c*nt. Fair play to Andrews, McCaffrey & Connolly who were making a big effort to shake his hand and disassociate themselves from whatever was said
Ken Early is some clown.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2015, 10:03:23 PM
Just watched the game back there and took note of a few things:
- Starting B Moran was the losing of the game for me, we needed him to bring on to counteract the introduction of MDMA, particularly with the black card and the pace of the game
- The idea that Higgins was taken to the cleaners by Andrews is bullsh*t; 1st point he was on him but it was unstoppable as he had to stand off to cover KK from getting inside; 2nd one, he could have done better but it was still a good pt; 3rd, Caff was on him, could have done better; 4th, Caff again but was a class pt; final one, Barrett was on him but he came out to challenge MDMA and was unlucky not to win it. McM did take him for a point at the death as well though.
- I thought Barrett was excellent, played really tight no matter who he was marking
- Hard to say from the telly but our FB line seemed to rotate a lot, was this to keep Caff close to the square or what?
- In the first half, B Moran should have been picking up McMahon when he went forward, not Boyle who was on Flynn. It was a tough job though as McMahon was dropping back and then bursting forward
- AOS did ok, scored one and won 3 frees from which points were scored
- SOS was very good in the first half although the 9th Dublin point was from him trying to buy a free on the sideline
- Mayo fans booing Connolly were a disgrace
- Dublin were completely at sea until the goal, if we hadn't conceded that, they weren't coming back. Dublin got lucky with a terrible decision from Hennelly and a brilliant intervention from BB. The importance of Keegan's miss (which was at 45mins) is being overplayed
- The second goal was a throw but I think Dublin would have won anyway. Umpire should have noticed it though
- Dunno what he said to AOS but McMahon is an unlikeable c*nt. Fair play to Andrews, McCaffrey & Connolly who were making a big effort to shake his hand and disassociate themselves from whatever was said
Certainly didn t help.
Bench was bare for this level. Only Andy can make an impact. With Cunniffe injured we d only Durkan can do a job at the back.
No replacements for the workers in hf line when they begin to tire either.
People with go on and on about a marquee forward but the lack of back up in middle third was glaring. Jason Gibbons is badly missed. Hopefully another DOC type will show up soon.
Dublin on the other hand could play a high tempo from the start knowing the bench could sustain it or crank it up even in last quarter. Even without the Hennelly collapse not sure we would have had the where-with-all to hang on. I don t think our game management would have been good enough in spite of the positive signs from the Donegal game.
As The Examiner article highlighted yet another management is not pulling its weight when they need to step up at this time of year. They didn t address problems or give us any edge with tactics between draw and replay.
Not convinced about the argument about a few new players making the difference. No point in giving a chef a few exciting new ingredients. If he's a shite cook he ll still make a mess of the meal.
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2015, 10:29:31 PM
Ken Early is some clown.
???
Actually, Dessie Dolan is completely clueless as a co-commentator. Nowhere near as annoying sounding as tom tom or carney though
Quote[Quote from: highorlow on Today at 10:29:31 PM
Ken Early is some clown.
What'd he say now?/quote]
Something scurrilous about the people of mayo I think, it was on that 2nd captains show, watching it half pissed so maybe I've misheard him.
Horan was on, reckons we will be back and it will eventually fall in place for us.
Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2015, 10:03:23 PM
Just watched the game back there and took note of a few things:
- Starting B Moran was the losing of the game for me, we needed him to bring on to counteract the introduction of MDMA, particularly with the black card and the pace of the game
- The idea that Higgins was taken to the cleaners by Andrews is bullsh*t; 1st point he was on him but it was unstoppable as he had to stand off to cover KK from getting inside; 2nd one, he could have done better but it was still a good pt; 3rd, Caff was on him, could have done better; 4th, Caff again but was a class pt; final one, Barrett was on him but he came out to challenge MDMA and was unlucky not to win it. McM did take him for a point at the death as well though.
- I thought Barrett was excellent, played really tight no matter who he was marking
- Hard to say from the telly but our FB line seemed to rotate a lot, was this to keep Caff close to the square or what?
- In the first half, B Moran should have been picking up McMahon when he went forward, not Boyle who was on Flynn. It was a tough job though as McMahon was dropping back and then bursting forward
- AOS did ok, scored one and won 3 frees from which points were scored
- SOS was very good in the first half although the 9th Dublin point was from him trying to buy a free on the sideline
- Mayo fans booing Connolly were a disgrace
- Dublin were completely at sea until the goal, if we hadn't conceded that, they weren't coming back. Dublin got lucky with a terrible decision from Hennelly and a brilliant intervention from BB. The importance of Keegan's miss (which was at 45mins) is being overplayed
- The second goal was a throw but I think Dublin would have won anyway. Umpire should have noticed it though
- Dunno what he said to AOS but McMahon is an unlikeable c*nt. Fair play to Andrews, McCaffrey & Connolly who were making a big effort to shake his hand and disassociate themselves from whatever was said
Certainly didn t help.
Bench was bare for this level. Only Andy can make an impact. With Cunniffe injured we d only Durkan can do a job at the back.
No replacements for the workers in hf line when they begin to tire either.
People with go on and on about a marquee forward but the lack of back up in middle third was glaring. Jason Gibbons is badly missed. Hopefully another DOC type will show up soon.
Dublin on the other hand could play a high tempo from the start knowing the bench could sustain it or crank it up even in last quarter. Even without the Hennelly collapse not sure we would have had the where-with-all to hang on. I don t think our game management would have been good enough in spite of the positive signs from the Donegal game.
As The Examiner article highlighted yet another management is not pulling its weight when they need to step up at this time of year. They didn t address problems or give us any edge with tactics between draw and replay.
Not convinced about the argument about a few new players making the difference. No point in giving a chef a few exciting new ingredients. If he's a shite cook he ll still make a mess of the meal.
Cunniffe was a loss, Vaughan's loss over the 2 games was even bigger IMO. Not having his athleticism and work rate for the full 70 over the 2 days meant we would struggle to stay with the pace of the game, especially in the last quarter. Using him from the start was a bad call because it forced an early switch where it would've been better to spend the lead up to the replay to plan without him.
The managements failures are even more concerning. Going into the first game and doing exactly what the opposition expects you to do is bad enough, repeating that with little or no variation is criminal. That they seemed to learn and adapt so little from the drawn game is a fairly damning indictment of the current set up.
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Don t care what this muppet's opinion is either ::)
Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
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Don t care what this muppet's opinion is either ::)
Bit harsh after what I thought was a decent post by bucko ;)
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2015, 10:29:31 PM
Ken Early is some clown.
Hmm. I had that figured a long, long time ago!
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
I think the opposite is true. Rock a bit like COC. Can go missing in play but usually solid from placed balls. COC obviously a better player but Kerry have less options up front than Dublin.
You have a serious horn for Kerry. Kerry have the following options for up front from the last day.
Stephen O'Brien, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, James O'Donoghue , Bryan Sheehan, Paul Geaney, Barry John Keane, Darran O'Sullivan, Paul Galvin, Tommy Walsh.
QuoteStarting B Moran was the losing of the game for me,
I heard Tom Parsons had a broken thumb so that could have been a reason for starting him. Also as another poster said the management didn't grad MacMahon by the neck and throw him to the ground leaving us short in midfield.
The management had a few tough decisions to make as is always the case with the replay. They will learn for next year. My only objection on the day to the starting team was not having a new forward in there to support AOS. Based on all our turnovers I don't think it would have made a difference.
It's important / crucial that we blend in new lads to our half forward and half back line line for next year, lads that will stand up and be counted on the big days. I'd prefer to see Higgins back in the forward line next year, he can take a point and has loads of pace, that's what we are missing up front.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 10, 2015, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
I think the opposite is true. Rock a bit like COC. Can go missing in play but usually solid from placed balls. COC obviously a better player but Kerry have less options up front than Dublin.
You have a serious horn for Kerry. Kerry have the following options for up front from the last day.
Stephen O'Brien, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, James O'Donoghue , Bryan Sheehan, Paul Geaney, Barry John Keane, Darran O'Sullivan, Paul Galvin, Tommy Walsh.
Lads the only people who are definitely ahead of a fit COC, in the FF line imho, from that list (Kieran O'Leary another?), would be fit JOD & the Gooch. Donaghy is long past it, except for the odd cameo against us and the rest, while obviously talented, are not consistent enough to hold down full time places in that Kerry FF line. Geaney may go on to be a serious player, but he is dispensable from a Kerry management POV at the moment, as we have seen this year.
Considering the talent and supply around the FF line, you would expect COC to make hay there.
Quote from: highorlow on September 10, 2015, 09:24:23 AM
QuoteStarting B Moran was the losing of the game for me,
I heard Tom Parsons had a broken thumb so that could have been a reason for starting him. Also as another poster said the management didn't grad MacMahon by the neck and throw him to the ground leaving us short in midfield.
The management had a few tough decisions to make as is always the case with the replay. They will learn for next year. My only objection on the day to the starting team was not having a new forward in there to support AOS. Based on all our turnovers I don't think it would have made a difference.
It's important / crucial that we blend in new lads to our half forward and half back line line for next year, lads that will stand up and be counted on the big days. I'd prefer to see Higgins back in the forward line next year, he can take a point and has loads of pace, that's what we are missing up front.
Unfortunately that's another year of commitment these players have to give. It's not good enough to say H&C will learn for next year. They should be able to adapt the game plan as the game unfolds. After some of the decisions over the 2 games against Dublin I have zero confidence in them to get this group over the line.
Quote from: bucko on September 09, 2015, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2015, 10:03:23 PM
Just watched the game back there and took note of a few things:
- Starting B Moran was the losing of the game for me, we needed him to bring on to counteract the introduction of MDMA, particularly with the black card and the pace of the game
- The idea that Higgins was taken to the cleaners by Andrews is bullsh*t; 1st point he was on him but it was unstoppable as he had to stand off to cover KK from getting inside; 2nd one, he could have done better but it was still a good pt; 3rd, Caff was on him, could have done better; 4th, Caff again but was a class pt; final one, Barrett was on him but he came out to challenge MDMA and was unlucky not to win it. McM did take him for a point at the death as well though.
- I thought Barrett was excellent, played really tight no matter who he was marking
- Hard to say from the telly but our FB line seemed to rotate a lot, was this to keep Caff close to the square or what?
- In the first half, B Moran should have been picking up McMahon when he went forward, not Boyle who was on Flynn. It was a tough job though as McMahon was dropping back and then bursting forward
- AOS did ok, scored one and won 3 frees from which points were scored
- SOS was very good in the first half although the 9th Dublin point was from him trying to buy a free on the sideline
- Mayo fans booing Connolly were a disgrace
- Dublin were completely at sea until the goal, if we hadn't conceded that, they weren't coming back. Dublin got lucky with a terrible decision from Hennelly and a brilliant intervention from BB. The importance of Keegan's miss (which was at 45mins) is being overplayed
- The second goal was a throw but I think Dublin would have won anyway. Umpire should have noticed it though
- Dunno what he said to AOS but McMahon is an unlikeable c*nt. Fair play to Andrews, McCaffrey & Connolly who were making a big effort to shake his hand and disassociate themselves from whatever was said
Certainly didn t help.
Bench was bare for this level. Only Andy can make an impact. With Cunniffe injured we d only Durkan can do a job at the back.
No replacements for the workers in hf line when they begin to tire either.
People with go on and on about a marquee forward but the lack of back up in middle third was glaring. Jason Gibbons is badly missed. Hopefully another DOC type will show up soon.
Dublin on the other hand could play a high tempo from the start knowing the bench could sustain it or crank it up even in last quarter. Even without the Hennelly collapse not sure we would have had the where-with-all to hang on. I don t think our game management would have been good enough in spite of the positive signs from the Donegal game.
As The Examiner article highlighted yet another management is not pulling its weight when they need to step up at this time of year. They didn t address problems or give us any edge with tactics between draw and replay.
Not convinced about the argument about a few new players making the difference. No point in giving a chef a few exciting new ingredients. If he's a shite cook he ll still make a mess of the meal.
Cunniffe was a loss, Vaughan's loss over the 2 games was even bigger IMO. Not having his athleticism and work rate for the full 70 over the 2 days meant we would struggle to stay with the pace of the game, especially in the last quarter. Using him from the start was a bad call because it forced an early switch where it would've been better to spend the lead up to the replay to plan without him.
The managements failures are even more concerning. Going into the first game and doing exactly what the opposition expects you to do is bad enough, repeating that with little or no variation is criminal. That they seemed to learn and adapt so little from the drawn game is a fairly damning indictment of the current set up.
Watched the game again for the first time on TV. Dublin are a different animal when they play that high tempo game. Having said that we stayed with them and led them for a long time. I agree about the Keegan missed point. It didn't make that much difference in the overall game. They scored a free and then Durcan scored a great score after to put us 4 up again after we had dominated possession for a long time.
Barry Moran was withdrawn for Freeman and AOS was brought back into midfield. Looking at it again it actually seems quite logical. We needed a better ball winner in there and B Moran was tiring and was never going to last the 70. We needed fresh legs and Freeman was the obvious option. But at that stage we were still controlling the game comfortably and Dublin were starting to push it really hard and were beginning to lose with a few key passes going badly astray in the forwards.
Then came the goals which were poor though. It was a bad kickout that led to the first one when Dublin were pushing on big time. The backs were all doing a man to man job (which was fair enough as the likes of Andrews and Brogan could and were all scoring from distance the last day). So no one tracked midfielder Fenton as he broke through. Dunno was it AOS or Parsons that was marking him but they were 5 yards off with the quick handpassing that Dublin do after winning the initial ball. A mishit shot from Fenton and Brogan finished well.
Second one was criminal though. Hennelly didn't cover himself in glory here either but Boyle I think shoulda done better. He was the free man but went in and committed to stopping the hand pass but didn't. But even if it was a throw there is no way Brogan should have gotten through that far and the FB line have to take responsibility for it as well.
Then Dublin went defensive on us, played keep ball and we couldn't and didn't have the energy to get it back. Last goal was well taken but he would have taken the point in a level match. Hard to know what more coulda been done. I thought the game plan was good actually. It was even said on commentary that Mayo were willing to let Dublin have the kickout because they believed they could take them on physically in the middle third. And for most of the game I think that was the right option and we won that battle. so I think the strategy of not pushing up completely on the kickout was correct.
I think we lost it with it not being as physical a game as the last one. That suited Dublin's running and passing game more than us. Also we were not ruthless enough up front. We didn't have that killer score when needed (even a point). Someone to win the ball or make the yard and bang one over. Durcans was good but we needed another when Dublin were pushing hard. It would have taken the momentum all out of them and forced them into an even higher tempo with more panic in front of our goal. But that's the way it goes. They got the crucial score and we didn't.
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2015, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 10, 2015, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
I think the opposite is true. Rock a bit like COC. Can go missing in play but usually solid from placed balls. COC obviously a better player but Kerry have less options up front than Dublin.
You have a serious horn for Kerry. Kerry have the following options for up front from the last day.
Stephen O'Brien, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, James O'Donoghue , Bryan Sheehan, Paul Geaney, Barry John Keane, Darran O'Sullivan, Paul Galvin, Tommy Walsh.
Lads the only people who are definitely ahead of a fit COC, in the FF line imho, from that list (Kieran O'Leary another?), would be fit JOD & the Gooch. Donaghy is long past it, except for the odd cameo against us and the rest, while obviously talented, are not consistent enough to hold down full time places in that Kerry FF line. Geaney may go on to be a serious player, but he is dispensable from a Kerry management POV at the moment, as we have seen this year.
Considering the talent and supply around the FF line, you would expect COC to make hay there.
I think COC is a very good player, but I'm not sure he'd walk onto a Kerry team, as Syf suggests. I didn't say he wasn't worth consideration alongside the names mentioned, but to say they lack options is patently not true.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 10, 2015, 11:09:54 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2015, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 10, 2015, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2015, 05:39:23 PM
COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
I think the opposite is true. Rock a bit like COC. Can go missing in play but usually solid from placed balls. COC obviously a better player but Kerry have less options up front than Dublin.
You have a serious horn for Kerry. Kerry have the following options for up front from the last day.
Stephen O'Brien, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, James O'Donoghue , Bryan Sheehan, Paul Geaney, Barry John Keane, Darran O'Sullivan, Paul Galvin, Tommy Walsh.
Lads the only people who are definitely ahead of a fit COC, in the FF line imho, from that list (Kieran O'Leary another?), would be fit JOD & the Gooch. Donaghy is long past it, except for the odd cameo against us and the rest, while obviously talented, are not consistent enough to hold down full time places in that Kerry FF line. Geaney may go on to be a serious player, but he is dispensable from a Kerry management POV at the moment, as we have seen this year.
Considering the talent and supply around the FF line, you would expect COC to make hay there.
I think COC is a very good player, but I'm not sure he'd walk onto a Kerry team, as Syf suggests. I didn't say he wasn't worth consideration alongside the names mentioned, but to say they lack options is patently not true.
I don't think any forward walks into that Kerry team. Any drop in performance would see any of them dropped.
COC doesn't have that competition for his with us. Nowhere hear it. But if he was fit and playing well I believe he would start for any county, including Kerry.
We're arguing a tangent now :) I agree with everything you say.
Quote from: Nihilist on September 10, 2015, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: bucko on September 09, 2015, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 09, 2015, 10:03:23 PM
Just watched the game back there and took note of a few things:
- Starting B Moran was the losing of the game for me, we needed him to bring on to counteract the introduction of MDMA, particularly with the black card and the pace of the game
- The idea that Higgins was taken to the cleaners by Andrews is bullsh*t; 1st point he was on him but it was unstoppable as he had to stand off to cover KK from getting inside; 2nd one, he could have done better but it was still a good pt; 3rd, Caff was on him, could have done better; 4th, Caff again but was a class pt; final one, Barrett was on him but he came out to challenge MDMA and was unlucky not to win it. McM did take him for a point at the death as well though.
- I thought Barrett was excellent, played really tight no matter who he was marking
- Hard to say from the telly but our FB line seemed to rotate a lot, was this to keep Caff close to the square or what?
- In the first half, B Moran should have been picking up McMahon when he went forward, not Boyle who was on Flynn. It was a tough job though as McMahon was dropping back and then bursting forward
- AOS did ok, scored one and won 3 frees from which points were scored
- SOS was very good in the first half although the 9th Dublin point was from him trying to buy a free on the sideline
- Mayo fans booing Connolly were a disgrace
- Dublin were completely at sea until the goal, if we hadn't conceded that, they weren't coming back. Dublin got lucky with a terrible decision from Hennelly and a brilliant intervention from BB. The importance of Keegan's miss (which was at 45mins) is being overplayed
- The second goal was a throw but I think Dublin would have won anyway. Umpire should have noticed it though
- Dunno what he said to AOS but McMahon is an unlikeable c*nt. Fair play to Andrews, McCaffrey & Connolly who were making a big effort to shake his hand and disassociate themselves from whatever was said
Certainly didn t help.
Bench was bare for this level. Only Andy can make an impact. With Cunniffe injured we d only Durkan can do a job at the back.
No replacements for the workers in hf line when they begin to tire either.
People with go on and on about a marquee forward but the lack of back up in middle third was glaring. Jason Gibbons is badly missed. Hopefully another DOC type will show up soon.
Dublin on the other hand could play a high tempo from the start knowing the bench could sustain it or crank it up even in last quarter. Even without the Hennelly collapse not sure we would have had the where-with-all to hang on. I don t think our game management would have been good enough in spite of the positive signs from the Donegal game.
As The Examiner article highlighted yet another management is not pulling its weight when they need to step up at this time of year. They didn t address problems or give us any edge with tactics between draw and replay.
Not convinced about the argument about a few new players making the difference. No point in giving a chef a few exciting new ingredients. If he's a shite cook he ll still make a mess of the meal.
Cunniffe was a loss, Vaughan's loss over the 2 games was even bigger IMO. Not having his athleticism and work rate for the full 70 over the 2 days meant we would struggle to stay with the pace of the game, especially in the last quarter. Using him from the start was a bad call because it forced an early switch where it would've been better to spend the lead up to the replay to plan without him.
The managements failures are even more concerning. Going into the first game and doing exactly what the opposition expects you to do is bad enough, repeating that with little or no variation is criminal. That they seemed to learn and adapt so little from the drawn game is a fairly damning indictment of the current set up.
Watched the game again for the first time on TV. Dublin are a different animal when they play that high tempo game. Having said that we stayed with them and led them for a long time. I agree about the Keegan missed point. It didn't make that much difference in the overall game. They scored a free and then Durcan scored a great score after to put us 4 up again after we had dominated possession for a long time.
Barry Moran was withdrawn for Freeman and AOS was brought back into midfield. Looking at it again it actually seems quite logical. We needed a better ball winner in there and B Moran was tiring and was never going to last the 70. We needed fresh legs and Freeman was the obvious option. But at that stage we were still controlling the game comfortably and Dublin were starting to push it really hard and were beginning to lose with a few key passes going badly astray in the forwards.
Then came the goals which were poor though. It was a bad kickout that led to the first one when Dublin were pushing on big time. The backs were all doing a man to man job (which was fair enough as the likes of Andrews and Brogan could and were all scoring from distance the last day). So no one tracked midfielder Fenton as he broke through. Dunno was it AOS or Parsons that was marking him but they were 5 yards off with the quick handpassing that Dublin do after winning the initial ball. A mishit shot from Fenton and Brogan finished well.
Second one was criminal though. Hennelly didn't cover himself in glory here either but Boyle I think shoulda done better. He was the free man but went in and committed to stopping the hand pass but didn't. But even if it was a throw there is no way Brogan should have gotten through that far and the FB line have to take responsibility for it as well.
Then Dublin went defensive on us, played keep ball and we couldn't and didn't have the energy to get it back. Last goal was well taken but he would have taken the point in a level match. Hard to know what more coulda been done. I thought the game plan was good actually. It was even said on commentary that Mayo were willing to let Dublin have the kickout because they believed they could take them on physically in the middle third. And for most of the game I think that was the right option and we won that battle. so I think the strategy of not pushing up completely on the kickout was correct.
I think we lost it with it not being as physical a game as the last one. That suited Dublin's running and passing game more than us. Also we were not ruthless enough up front. We didn't have that killer score when needed (even a point). Someone to win the ball or make the yard and bang one over. Durcans was good but we needed another when Dublin were pushing hard. It would have taken the momentum all out of them and forced them into an even higher tempo with more panic in front of our goal. But that's the way it goes. They got the crucial score and we didn't.
Jim McGuinness reckoned it was Cillian that was marking Fenton for the kickout and that he should have tracked him. Having watched the game again I'd be inclined to agree.
Boyle was not used correctly as a sweeper over the course of the two games. With our track record of conceding goals at exactly the wrong time, the sweeper should have been instructed to never leave the vicinity of the large rectangle. Instead we had Boyler drifting out as far as the 45. Again, management need to take some flak here.
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COC would walk into the Dublin team, but probably wouldn't get into the Kerry team
I think the opposite is true. Rock a bit like COC. Can go missing in play but usually solid from placed balls. COC obviously a better player but Kerry have less options up front than Dublin.
You have a serious horn for Kerry. Kerry have the following options for up front from the last day.
Stephen O'Brien, Johnny Buckley, Donnchadh Walsh, Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, James O'Donoghue , Bryan Sheehan, Paul Geaney, Barry John Keane, Darran O'Sullivan, Paul Galvin, Tommy Walsh.
Lads the only people who are definitely ahead of a fit COC, in the FF line imho, from that list (Kieran O'Leary another?), would be fit JOD & the Gooch. Donaghy is long past it, except for the odd cameo against us and the rest, while obviously talented, are not consistent enough to hold down full time places in that Kerry FF line. Geaney may go on to be a serious player, but he is dispensable from a Kerry management POV at the moment, as we have seen this year.
Considering the talent and supply around the FF line, you would expect COC to make hay there.
I don't see where he gets in. His brother is more talented