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Title: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 28, 2007, 06:02:17 PM
Someone suggested setting up an American Sports Thread the other day so here goes. To start with, a clip that shows american football can be like rugby after all!..

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220&categoryId=2564308&n8pe6c=2&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1
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Post by: Square Ball on October 28, 2007, 07:21:46 PM
al lot of laterals there,
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 28, 2007, 08:15:41 PM
It's no Cal vs Stanford
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Post by: lfdown2 on October 29, 2007, 11:21:43 AM
can pats be stopped?
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 29, 2007, 12:15:58 PM
No
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Post by: lfdown2 on October 29, 2007, 12:19:31 PM
insightful
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Post by: deiseach on October 29, 2007, 12:58:43 PM
If so, it's going to be a good year for Boston.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 29, 2007, 01:03:24 PM
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can pats be stopped?
definitely, they can be caught on a bad day, brady can get injured, its been a bad year for QBs but the only team realistically capable of beating them in a fair game is the Colts next week. Its the first time ever that two teams that are a minimum of 7-0 are meeting up.
Going to be a cracker, I have my sofa booked for the game. It'll be interesting to see just how good the colts pass defense is.
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Post by: deiseach on October 29, 2007, 01:05:48 PM
Mr April - very droll. But I recall Peyton Manning was being disparaged as gridiron's Mr October. Perhaps A-Rod can come through like he did

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 29, 2007, 01:32:43 PM
anyone know was the dolphins/giants game in wembly a sell out yesterday? all the papers say so yet there were loads of seats covered with canvas all around the sides. also looks like their going to have to do something with the pitch, got really cut up towards the end. great to see the game there tho...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 29, 2007, 01:37:29 PM
they sold all the seats that were available - looked to be lots of empty seats  though - so it was technically a sell-out
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Post by: J70 on October 29, 2007, 01:38:27 PM
The word over here is that they doubt if the British public will be anxious for much more American football given the dismal fare on show at Wembley yesterday! One awful team and another perhaps flattering to deceive so far. Manning was fairly poor apparently.

Mind you, the only the thing they're talking about on the sports channels in NY is A-Rod! Not Boston, not the game in London, not Chad Pennington! A lot of Yankees fans seem happy he may be leaving. Never does it in the playoffs apparently. The fact that they wouldn't have made the playoffs this year without him, or that he is probably heading for a third MVP with them, doesn't seem to matter. Who will they blame next year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 29, 2007, 01:42:34 PM
All seems very fishy that this is announced the day the Red Sox wins the World Series
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Post by: J70 on October 29, 2007, 01:48:35 PM
All seems very fishy that this is announced the day the Red Sox wins the World Series

During the eighth inning no less
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 29, 2007, 01:51:23 PM
Fishy my ass. His agent Boras practically runs the league. He has a huge amount of players on his roster, but this was a very calculated move to get the press on the A-Rod band wagon this morning, given the poor display from the Rockies.
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Post by: FL/MAYO on October 29, 2007, 01:58:32 PM
If the NFL wanted to showcase their game it would have made more sense to put next weeks game between the Colts and Pats on in London. These teams have been the best teams in the NFL over the last five years. The game yesterday in Wembley was so boring it was difficult to watch and the Yanks think soccer is boring.
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Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 29, 2007, 02:04:17 PM
If the NFL wanted to showcase their game it would have made more sense to put next weeks game between the Colts and Pats on in London. These teams have been the best teams in the NFL over the last five years. The game yesterday in Wembley was so boring it was difficult to watch and the Yanks think soccer is boring.

I think they brought over those teams because both are very well known over in this side of the world when compared to the Colts or the Pats.  Also the awful weather and pitch didnt help things.  Still think they should have another one even two matches in Europe next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 29, 2007, 02:06:09 PM
the problem they have with the pats & colts is that a lot of the teams have contracts with their stadia that mean that they MUST play their 8 home games at that stadium. If not they end up homeless. The NFL has announced that it intends that every team will play a minimum of 1 game outside the US in the next 3 years.
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Post by: Puckoon on October 29, 2007, 03:21:25 PM
can pats be stopped?

I dont think they can be stopped this year. Not sure of a defence that can handle Brady and co, 10 catches for 10 touchdowns for Mike Vrabel! :o
Was talking to the old man yesterday he says "Christ that american football is a boring game"
Was talking to an american friend a couple days ago he says "You know, that soccer is a boring game to watch, unless one of your kids is playing in it"

the problem they have with the pats & colts is that a lot of the teams have contracts with their stadia that mean that they MUST play their 8 home games at that stadium. If not they end up homeless. The NFL has announced that it intends that every team will play a minimum of 1 game outside the US in the next 3 years.

The dallas cowboys owner wasnt too excited about that idea.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 29, 2007, 03:48:24 PM
there is a lot of confusion and debate among american commentators about whether or not NFL abroad is a good thing.  Some think it is good to raise the profile of the game, others think it is a waste of time and resources, especially at this early stage of the season.

I don't think NFL will ever have an equivalent in the european countries like soccer does in the US.  Soccer is played at underage level in the school systems over here but NFL will never be played in EU.

I personally think there is a huge market for the NFL in Ireland and the UK.  The tickets sold out so quickly and rumors that there were 500,000 requests to the website for tickets would back that up. Its a great game when you understand it and give it a chance, but for me it is and always will be a sport we like to watch - not play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 29, 2007, 08:11:58 PM
couldnt have put it better iceman. having said that i'd love to know how many kids in america actually play american football. i know the kids in high school and college play it and there are a no. of lesser leagues than the nfl but i bet its not a huge participation sport. i'm convinced nfl teams would work in london/berlin and paris if the nfl wanted to do it without having any other regular leagues in those cities. its a great game to watch once you get to know the rules (yesterdays game was never going to be great as the dolphins are poor enough)...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 29, 2007, 08:32:20 PM
couldnt have put it better iceman. having said that i'd love to know how many kids in america actually play american football. i know the kids in high school and college play it and there are a no. of lesser leagues than the nfl but i bet its not a huge participation sport. i'm convinced nfl teams would work in london/berlin and paris if the nfl wanted to do it without having any other regular leagues in those cities. its a great game to watch once you get to know the rules (yesterdays game was never going to be great as the dolphins are poor enough)...
You are dead right magickingdom. The reason most kids play soccer and baseball over here as youths is the elitism of American Football. Around here there are limited opportunities to play the game outside of high school and college. By that stage you need to be good enough to make the varsity team otherwise your ride has ended. There are a number of flag football competitions here and there, which by nature are non contact but its nowhere near the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 30, 2007, 03:39:56 AM
Bret Favre throws for an 82 yard touchdown in overtime to beat the broncos in denver :o. 38 and still the most fun to watch in the NFL.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:43:24 AM
i hated the verbal blowjob they gave him before the match though
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Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2007, 03:45:52 AM
If tonites game between Green Bay and Denver was played in London all of Europe would be hooked on the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 30, 2007, 03:50:11 AM
I missed that part gabriel. Did you hear his own quote about his game? That its the beauty and the beast of his career that he has always thought he could make a play out of anything. At least he acknowledges his faults. He is some player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2007, 04:04:12 AM
i hated the verbal blowjob they gave him before the match though

If John Madden was announcing the game you would of actually heard him slurping ;D

It seems Favre is Maddens fantasy man, the love is a little to strong  ;)

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Post by: thejuice on October 30, 2007, 11:03:02 AM
Yes the choice of teams for the London game was a little mis-guided. But It was far from boring. I had a great time at it. really enjoyed it. Wembley is cool stadium and from what I could see it was full to the roof.

One thing I'd like to point out is the there already is are American Football leagues in the UK and in Ireland. Over 100 teams in BAFL not including college. Ireland we have about 10 and its growing. The biggest problem with the Irish league is how to deal with the swelling numbers of people participating. Its very much a labour of love for those involved, much like GAA people we give so much of our spare time and money to run games organise buses ambulances refs...etc. But get out there and play it, it is a great sport to play.

www.irish-american-football.org
www.bafl.org


Another question. HOw many TD's will will Brady finisih with. Hill-Billy Brett reckons he could have 60. and if so, is he perhaps the best ever QB, 3 SB rings and possibly a 4th on the way. OK it helps that he's surrounded by talent but is he better than Montana, Marino, Unitas, Manning or even Ryan Leaf( :P)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 30, 2007, 11:08:03 AM
Okay, American football fans. Am I right in assuming that an 82 yard throw for a touchdown in overtime, while spectacular, is likely to give a coach a coronary? The chances of it being intercepted at that range are high. A coach would surely insist that they take as long as it takes to grind up to field goal range. Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 30, 2007, 11:15:52 AM
The ball might have been caught at 20 yds and ran for the next 62. but I didnt see it yet, will watch highlights tonight. But sometimes you have to throw along bomb, especially with time ticking. Anyway its Brett Farve were talking about he knows what he's at.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 30, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
can anyone post a link to a clip of it?
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Post by: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 11:42:49 AM
can anyone post a link to a clip of it?

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803bd71c
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 11:45:39 AM
Deiseach, that would be the conventional wisdom, run the ball and keep running until you are in fieldgoal range, or else dump off a couple of 5 yard passes and try to get a few yards after the catch (YAC). I don't know if this was a long bomb or a big run after the catch.

The other thing is that the defence nearly always expects run or short pass in overtime, and if they do, then they usually play their 2 safeties up to put at least 8 or 9 men 'in the box' which is the area just behind the line of scrimmage. It's traditional run stopping practice. If they do that, then it's usually 1 on 1 outside, and no QB worth his salt will throw an INT in 1 on 1 coverage. Usually interceptions are because the ball is tipped, or else a Safety or Linebacker is anticipating pass and either gets in the way, or goes double teaming the receiver.

If they are expecting run, and Favre does a play action fake, i.e. pretending to hand the ball to a runner before spinning around to throw, the chances of a big play, especially in those circumstances, are much greater, and the chances of an INT goes down as well.

So, without seeing it, I would reckon it was a defence playing run, a good play action fake to suck the safeties in further, and a long pass to a single coverage, or wide open receiver. That's what I'd do :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 11:46:49 AM
I just saw the clip that Balboa posted. Am I good or what? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 30, 2007, 12:39:59 PM
Was watching the game last night, favre threw for 2TDs both the same play one to either side and both on the first play of the drive. By the way this was after denver managed to sneak a field goal with 6 seconds left to get into OT. I thought denver should have been more aware that favre would try it again, but no, all the same some throw, inch perfect
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 30, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
Deiseach, that would be the conventional wisdom, run the ball and keep running until you are in fieldgoal range, or else dump off a couple of 5 yard passes and try to get a few yards after the catch (YAC). I don't know if this was a long bomb or a big run after the catch.

The other thing is that the defence nearly always expects run or short pass in overtime, and if they do, then they usually play their 2 safeties up to put at least 8 or 9 men 'in the box' which is the area just behind the line of scrimmage. It's traditional run stopping practice. If they do that, then it's usually 1 on 1 outside, and no QB worth his salt will throw an INT in 1 on 1 coverage. Usually interceptions are because the ball is tipped, or else a Safety or Linebacker is anticipating pass and either gets in the way, or goes double teaming the receiver.

If they are expecting run, and Favre does a play action fake, i.e. pretending to hand the ball to a runner before spinning around to throw, the chances of a big play, especially in those circumstances, are much greater, and the chances of an INT goes down as well.

So, without seeing it, I would reckon it was a defence playing run, a good play action fake to suck the safeties in further, and a long pass to a single coverage, or wide open receiver. That's what I'd do :D

Well that's as clear as mud. Are you saying that the way the Denver defence lined up was to prevent a running game so the throw to the receiver was not as risky a move as it normally is, or (to my untrained eye) looked on that video?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 30, 2007, 01:04:56 PM
Stayed up to watch the game last night, but the fact I only got two hours sleep the night before came against me and I fell asleep at the start of the 2nd Qtr and only woke with about 3 minutes to play in the 4th.  Was fully awake then and thought not so bad after Elam tied the game up with the field goal.  As one of the lads said last night that must have been one of the quickest overtime in years.  One play and it was game over.

Will this be Favres last season?  I mean at 38 he is hardly young and I remember people talking about him retiring last season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 01:05:41 PM
He only stayed on so he could break the TD record - i think this will be the last season for the maestro
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Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 01:17:49 PM
In a nutshell yes :D  If you look at the video again, count the number of lads up close to the line of scrimmage. There's 8 lads there, not counting the 2 corner backs 'marking the wide receivers' at the top and botton of the screen. That means there is only 1 safety down the field defending the pass, and he lined up favouring the right side of the field. You can see him coming into shot trying to make up the distance when the ball goes to Jennings. I think he is #40. If that was a passing down the other safety would be back as well, and he would be helping out that corner back.

I'm rambling again :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
has favre been with green bay all his career and has he ever won the superbowl?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 01:28:05 PM
Yes, he won the Superbowl in 1997 against the Patriots. Lost it the next year against Denver, when John Elway finally got his first.
Favre was drafted in 1991 by the Atlanta Falcons, but only played a very small bit for them. the next off-season, he was traded to the Packers in exchange for a first round draft pick. He took over as starting QB early in that season, and has been there ever since.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 01:37:51 PM
has favre been with green bay all his career and has he ever won the superbowl?

Beat Patriots in '96, he was with Falcons for a season i think but i dunno if he played much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 01:39:46 PM
Watched a Larcrosse match on NASN the other night....Strange sport
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 30, 2007, 01:48:25 PM
Watched a Larcrosse match on NASN the other night....Strange sport

Very strange.  The jerseys they wear seem so big and baggy like Hockey jerseys.  Strange observation I know!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
Watched a Larcrosse match on NASN the other night....Strange sport

is that the game with netted sticks and they move the ball up the field by throwing it from player to player if it is yea its a strange sport
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 30, 2007, 01:58:36 PM
World Series ceist

I watched and enjoyed some of the games in the World Series, but the one thing that confused my was the rotation of the pitchers. For example in the 4th game, when Lester got tired for Boston, they brought on DelCarmen and Timlin for about an innings each, whereas to my untrained eye they would have been miles better off using Matsuzaka and Schilling for an innings or two instead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 30, 2007, 02:04:50 PM
the issue with pitchers is rest, most require 4 days (or usually 5) before they can go in the rotation again. With schilling and matsuzaka having thrown in that time it would be risking their arm to let them throw. The boys that come in after lester are middle relievers and are specialists, they throw in many cases only a few pitches to get out a specific type of batter. At this stage in the game its very much like a chess match. Pitchers and batters are chosen by the manager for specific match ups given the situation the game is in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 02:05:41 PM
Watched a Larcrosse match on NASN the other night....Strange sport

is that the game with netted sticks and they move the ball up the field by throwing it from player to player if it is yea its a strange sport

Thats it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 02:05:58 PM
Lacrosse is a great sport - some say that's where the sport of hurling came from
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 02:07:56 PM
Do you chaps prefer to "pitch" or "catch" ?  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 02:10:50 PM
I prefer to play 3rd base myself
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 30, 2007, 02:20:43 PM
Okay, American football fans. Am I right in assuming that an 82 yard throw for a touchdown in overtime, while spectacular, is likely to give a coach a coronary? The chances of it being intercepted at that range are high. A coach would surely insist that they take as long as it takes to grind up to field goal range. Or am I missing something?

Deisach, AZOfally has rightly answered your question. One extra titbit however. When favre is your quarterback, youd better have a decent ticker in you, otherwise youll suffer alot. When he is good he is spectacular, when he sucks, he sucks big time. He is always looking for the big play. Infact, in his press conference last night (which seemed to go on forever) he pretty much said they had designed the play to hit the tight end up the middle, as the corners were playing inside, and the safeties were playing outside. When he got the ball, he noticed that the faked play action had worked so well, that denver were playing a single safety against the wide reciever and "He just knew that the perfect throw would enable the wide reciever to make the play".
Simple I guess. :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 30, 2007, 02:22:13 PM
Thanks heganboy. Throwing that ball must be more tiring than it looks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:34:15 PM
They put some force into that Hound, especially on something like a fastball. A major league fastball pitcher would throw anywhere from the low to high 90s and sometimes above. Some pitchers are more subtle, and try to throw a lot of different pitches like change ups, curveballs and sliders, but the amount of pitches they throw, combined with the effort expended makes throwing a lot of pitches (which starters tend to do) with little rest, hard to do.

Also, there is the mentality thing as well. Relief pitchers are trained, and mentally tuned in, to enter games in full swing, when serious economy and accuracy are needed. Sometimes starters make bad relievers because they are used to setting the tempo themselves, and pitching their way into games.

As an aside, I once saw a game where the pitcher broke his arm throwing a pitch. The torque and pressure on the bone as he brought his arm forward just snapped the bone. It's happened a couple of times, but I remember that game well. I think Tampa Bay were playing.

Also, as an indication of how hard those lads throw in reality, this is what happens when a Randy Johnson 95mph  fastball meets a pigeon :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251290349714298106 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251290349714298106)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 02:40:38 PM
put it into perspective - this is a simulation of what your reaction time would need to be to hit a 90mph fastball

http://www.exploratorium.edu/baseball/reactiontime.html

0.18 seconds - to hit a homer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:45:58 PM
Yeah Gab, and thats not trying to figure out is it high, low, inside, outside etc etc. And only at 90 mph.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 02:47:39 PM
that clip of the bird getting walloped was class, not because the bird got hit but the puff of feathers that came with it! what are the chances of that happening again?

anyone on the thread interested in the NBA, or basketball in general?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 02:48:24 PM
I'm going to the Raptors opening game tomorrow night
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 30, 2007, 02:50:13 PM
hav to say i think nba is terrible from what iv seen of it its a shoot out from the line with the odd bounce thrown in, though college is a different story, think its great!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:50:25 PM
the NBA is my least favoured 'major' North American sport. I don't like the players or their attitudes, and most of the games are just up-down, up-down affairs until the last 2 minutes when it gets good, and people start playing defence.

College Basketball is much better in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 30, 2007, 02:55:19 PM
They put some force into that Hound, especially on something like a fastball. A major league fastball pitcher would throw anywhere from the low to high 90s and sometimes above. Some pitchers are more subtle, and try to throw a lot of different pitches like change ups, curveballs and sliders, but the amount of pitches they throw, combined with the effort expended makes throwing a lot of pitches (which starters tend to do) with little rest, hard to do.

Also, there is the mentality thing as well. Relief pitchers are trained, and mentally tuned in, to enter games in full swing, when serious economy and accuracy are needed. Sometimes starters make bad relievers because they are used to setting the tempo themselves, and pitching their way into games.

As an aside, I once saw a game where the pitcher broke his arm throwing a pitch. The torque and pressure on the bone as he brought his arm forward just snapped the bone. It's happened a couple of times, but I remember that game well. I think Tampa Bay were playing.

Also, as an indication of how hard those lads throw in reality, this is what happens when a Randy Johnson 95mph  fastball meets a pigeon :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251290349714298106 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251290349714298106)
I still dont believe that even with only 24 hours rest that Matsuzaka would not have thrown better than either DelCarmen or Timlin did.
Though having never seen a game of baseball before this World Series, I may not be an expert!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on October 30, 2007, 02:56:54 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:58:15 PM
That sounds like slow pitch softball. Are you sure you weren't drunk? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 02:58:54 PM
don't get to see much Collega ball over here but i have heard it is 10 times better than the NBA, more heart and soul put into it!!
will have to see how much NASN costs here, cable tv channel, as it shows all the football/baseball/basketball from around the states, at all levels.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 02:59:07 PM
Anyone watch Ice Hockey? I like watching it in the Winter Olympics and there was a game for the Sega Megadrive years back that i spent hours upon hours playing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 03:00:39 PM
love ice hockey, a great game to watch. i know there is no comparison to the NHL, but been to see the Belfast Giants once or twice, and that is a good nights craic!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:04:14 PM
Anyone watch Ice Hockey? I like watching it in the Winter Olympics and there was a game for the Sega Megadrive years back that i spent hours upon hours playing

I'm a Maple Leafs supporter for my sins - am starting to play it this winter now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 03:04:29 PM
StPauls. I'm a bit of an expert on NASN :D I've had it since it launched. It currently costs €18 a month as part of the Setanta Package on Sky, i.e. you get all the Setanta Channels as well. I think it's £13 sterling a month?

They show College Football and Basketball a lot, tons of Baseball and Ice Hockey and a load of other stuff like NASCAR (spit) and the 'magazine' shows like NFL today, NHL Face Off etc etc which are great to keep up to date.

Laoislad, Ice Hockey is great as well, but I haven't really gotten into it this season yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 03:08:08 PM
Have to say there is hardly a sport in the world that i wouldn't watch apart from WWF but thats hardly a real sport is it ? But i really could never get into Basketball,Maybe because im only 5ft8"  and i felt inferior but i just can't take to it at all
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 03:11:38 PM
Have to say there is hardly a sport in the world that i wouldn't watch apart from WWF but thats hardly a real sport is it ? But i really could never get into Basketball,Maybe because im only 5ft8"  and i felt inferior but i just can't take to it at all

Do any of youse remember Spud Webb, 5ft 7 and could dunk the shit out of it......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 03:12:41 PM
Wasn't Mugsy Bogues another one. I do remember that Spud lad. Did he win the Slamdunk competition once?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 03:13:22 PM
Have to say there is hardly a sport in the world that i wouldn't watch apart from WWF but thats hardly a real sport is it ? But i really could never get into Basketball,Maybe because im only 5ft8"  and i felt inferior but i just can't take to it at all

Do any of youse remember Spud Webb, 5ft 7 and could dunk the shit out of it......

You a mind reader Balbao i was about to ask what was the name of the basketball player who was around 5ft 6 or 7 and who used to win the Dunking competetions
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:13:28 PM
Earl Boykins of the Milwaukee Bucks is a very very handy player - and he's only 5'5

and who can forget Spud Webb - all 5'7 of him winning the Slam Dunk contest back in the day

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CitnrHyoONU
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:13:56 PM
great minds lads

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 03:16:17 PM
How about this dunk 'featuring' Spud Webb..

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZWDyn5-CA (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZWDyn5-CA)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 03:25:19 PM
man, that Nate Robinson dunk was unreal, has an inch or 2 to spare as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 03:26:03 PM
Jesus that was some leap ,now if only he came over to mayo as promised in 2006 instead of staying for that bloody Dunk competion that 56 year wait for sam would be over ,sure he wouldn't give Donaghy a touch of a ball ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:28:04 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B3x17ICa4JQ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on October 30, 2007, 03:36:26 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??

 That was probably a Knuckle baller throwing that type of pitch. The ball looks like it is in slow motion but it actually jumps all over the place, very difficult to hit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 03:40:00 PM
Ah yeah, I thought 5Sams meant a big high lob like in softball. Those Knuckleballers are cat altogether. Tim Wakefield was great at them...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=13u6aU2yR5k (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=13u6aU2yR5k)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:49:18 PM
there's some sidearm pitchers now that look like it's coming underarm
Title: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on October 30, 2007, 04:09:20 PM
I think this is what I saw!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eephus_pitch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Corporal on October 30, 2007, 05:22:40 PM
Heading to New York for a week in March time shortly after Easter and heading to see the Knicks' home game against the Miami Heat, cannot wait!!  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hitzelsperger on October 30, 2007, 05:37:54 PM
been to 3 baseball games and everyone has had a grand slam in them...great aul craic and serious amout of beer drunk b4 the 7th inning cut off!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 30, 2007, 06:49:32 PM
I go to about 6 Milwaukee Bucks games a year and they are great craic. TV does not do the NBA justice however.

Favre is amazing even at 38 years old and he is probably the third best QB in the league this year with Manning and Brady Being one  and two.

College basketball is far superior in terms of interest and the NCAA is the best sporting competition in America by far in either professional or collegiate sports.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 07:18:43 PM
Isn't there a sport could be American but might not,Where the players of which there are two i think who are in a arena similar to a handball/squash court and they have what i can only describe as long wooden bats shaped like a gondola and with this they fire a ball at the wall and the other fella has to catch it in his stick and fire it back at the wall...
Or have i finally got one electric shock to many and my brain has turned to mush  ???

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 07:23:50 PM
That's Jai Alai

It's mainly spanish though I think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 07:31:12 PM
That's Jai Alai

It's mainly spanish though I think

Good man Gab so I'm not going crazy....
Here is a better description on Wiki,Where it is described as "the fastest game on earth"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jai_alai

Also here is a youtube of said sport

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfByJcWY4r4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 07:36:21 PM
That's Jai Alai

It's mainly spanish though I think

sounds like the scene from the movie Tron, where he is playing the game to try and survive in the cyber world!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 30, 2007, 07:54:07 PM
SAFE ESCAPE, AND NOT FROM CAVAN FOOTBALL

The superlative performances of Cavan's Paul Brady and Cork's Tony Healy at the Simple Green US Open of Handball in California last week have been deservedly applauded.

Brady's victory and Healy's thirdplace finish in the tournament with a first prize of $25,000 have lifted the profile of the sport in Ireland. The presence of a former American footballer in the doubles portion of the competition, however, spawned the most headlines Stateside.

Jake Plummer was an NFL quarterback for 10 years. At the end of last season, he walked away from the Denver Broncos and the sport, leaving behind an annual salary in excess of $8m. His reasons were simple. He wanted to get out before he had incurred so many heavy hits from linebackers that he'd be in pain for the rest of his life. With the financial freedom of a rich 32-yearold, Plummer returned to his native Idaho and threw himself back into his "rst love: handball. That was the game his father . . . a state champion . . . had passed onto him and his brothers as kids. "After going to his tournaments as kids, hanging around and watching him play, we all eventually started playing. I'm the worst of the bunch. My brother Eric has won numerous state titles and my other brother Brett, won the Idaho singles title last year. But I've been playing a lot more lately."

Club football in Cavan may be hairy at times. But at least Paul Brady doesn't have to worry about onrushing linebackers.



From the sunday tribune, did plummer really 'walk' away from an $8m contract? lotta bucks to leave behind...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2007, 08:06:21 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??

5 Sams
Sounds like the pitcher threw a Knuckle Ball Pitch  (real name). The pitcher grips the ball with his knuckles just above the finger nail and lets loose.
The rotation that comes from this pitch is insane, it can drop or move left/right more than 12 inches. But the real problem with the pitch is control, half the time you don't where the ball is going to end up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 01:06:30 PM
I see TV3 have got the Irish rights to the NFL.  Great news I though until I seen their "NFL Game Day" show is not on until 12:15am.  Too bad they couldnt put it on at a better time and try to get people interested in the sport.  Also they wont be showing any live games as far as I know, well other than the Superbowl in Arizona.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on November 01, 2007, 01:19:42 PM
I see TV3 have got the Irish rights to the NFL.  Great news I though until I seen their "NFL Game Day" show is not on until 12:15am.  Too bad they couldnt put it on at a better time and try to get people interested in the sport.  Also they wont be showing any live games as far as I know, well other than the Superbowl in Arizona.

Brilliant,

trevor Welsh and Aidan Cooney and a load of lads squeezed in behind a desk
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Don on November 01, 2007, 03:49:41 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??

5 Sams
Sounds like the pitcher threw a Knuckle Ball Pitch  (real name). The pitcher grips the ball with his knuckles just above the finger nail and lets loose.
The rotation that comes from this pitch is insane, it can drop or move left/right more than 12 inches. But the real problem with the pitch is control, half the time you don't where the ball is going to end up.

Tim Wakefield of the Red Sox one of the last remaining few guys that pitch this way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 01, 2007, 04:30:27 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??

5 Sams
Sounds like the pitcher threw a Knuckle Ball Pitch  (real name). The pitcher grips the ball with his knuckles just above the finger nail and lets loose.
The rotation that comes from this pitch is insane, it can drop or move left/right more than 12 inches. But the real problem with the pitch is control, half the time you don't where the ball is going to end up.

Tim Wakefield of the Red Sox one of the last remaining few guys that pitch this way

is that the pitch that El duque Hernandez does ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2007, 05:08:04 PM
I think Hernandez has the knuckleball in his repertoire, but it's not his only pitch. I think he is more of a standard pitcher, although he has a huge high leg kick before the pitches. He has a nasty, nasty curveball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hitzelsperger on November 01, 2007, 05:13:27 PM
El Duques curve ball is quality, seen him in action last summer...not many hit one of his curvers on the inside!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2007, 05:16:14 PM
It's one of the class things in baseball, watching a big league hitter absolutely frozen stiff, or better yet buckling at the knees, when he faces a brutal curve ball. Some of them are just nasty. the ability/inability to hit a curveball / breaking ball is probably the biggest differentiator between someone who is going to make a career as a hitter in the majors, and someone who is destined for a life of minor league bus trips.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 01, 2007, 07:52:10 PM
I see TV3 have got the Irish rights to the NFL.  Great news I though until I seen their "NFL Game Day" show is not on until 12:15am.  Too bad they couldnt put it on at a better time and try to get people interested in the sport.  Also they wont be showing any live games as far as I know, well other than the Superbowl in Arizona.

will this effect sky sports showing live games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 08:16:01 PM
I see TV3 have got the Irish rights to the NFL.  Great news I though until I seen their "NFL Game Day" show is not on until 12:15am.  Too bad they couldnt put it on at a better time and try to get people interested in the sport.  Also they wont be showing any live games as far as I know, well other than the Superbowl in Arizona.

will this effect sky sports showing live games?

No, not that I know of anyway.  I'd watch it on Sky Sports before TV3 anyway, knowing TV3, it will be a poor effort, Sky do a very good job imo.  Not that it matters because I dont think TV3 will be showing any other full matches anyway, think they are only showing the highlights show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 01, 2007, 10:18:10 PM
I think we are pretty spoilt as regards NFL action on Sky, 2/3 live matches, NFL Network several times a week,Americas Game on Saturday morning etc. A long way from an hours highlights on Channel 4 all those years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 11:19:45 PM
I think we are pretty spoilt as regards NFL action on Sky, 2/3 live matches, NFL Network several times a week,Americas Game on Saturday morning etc. A long way from an hours highlights on Channel 4 all those years ago.

We are spoilt.  That NFL show thats on Tuesday to Saturday, Highlights show on Monday and Tuesday, that "Who Is" show, some playbook show and as you say Americas Game, which I rarely get to see but is very interesting.  Sky are doing a great job, even if that Nick Halling lad annoys me for some reason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 01, 2007, 11:22:56 PM
Sky are doing a great job, even if that Nick Halling lad annoys me for some reason.

He tries so hard to be American in his mannerisms. Gary Imlach is much more at ease with, well, not being American.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 02, 2007, 10:03:31 AM
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even if that Nick Halling lad annoys me for some reason.

I thought it was just me. Deisach is right - he tries too hard to be a yank.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 02, 2007, 10:06:57 AM
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even if that Nick Halling lad annoys me for some reason.

I thought it was just me. Deisach is right - he tries too hard to be a yank.

Aye he is a bit of a pleb, ,Mike Carlson, who used to be on Channel 5 is far better, there isnt really anything he doesent know and he is pretty funny.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2007, 10:07:56 AM
Definitely not you. It's one of the reasons I use the red button, to skip to the other game whenever he opens his pie hole. It's one thing I love about NASN, no faux-yank British commentators or analysts, just the normal American pre-game and post game studios and guests. It's not exactly Opening night at the Paladium either, but at least they are Yanks, talking to Yanks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on November 02, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
I saw the big furry fellow, Cecil on Sunday.

Who was the other tool they used to have on last year as an analyst, he was terrible, Jesse or somthing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 02, 2007, 11:52:08 AM
I saw the big furry fellow, Cecil on Sunday.

Who was the other tool they used to have on last year as an analyst, he was terrible, Jesse or somthing

Ther big furry fella isnt too bad because he played the game he can give a bit of insight, he was an Offensive Lineman i think. Kevin Cadle is an absolute balloon, you get at least 5 times a show when his autocue breaks down and he just stares at the camera...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 02, 2007, 12:05:23 PM
Nick Halling: ugh, when I heard him say while commentating on a Bengals game he said "TJ Whosyamama" for TJ Housmanzadah. I almost got sick. Give it up lad. Cant wait to see TV3's coverage, just for a laugh. wonder will they do an ITV (John Barnes!, Gabby, Martin Johnson). Is it on air yet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 02, 2007, 12:56:53 PM
ANYWAY!!!!

More Importantly, This weekend.

Indianapolis Colts Vs New England Patriots

Brady Vs Manning

Moss Vs Harrison

Unbeaten Vs Unbeaten

I cant wait!!!

Slightly favour Patriots. Colts are beating everyone whereas Patriots have detroyed everyone. But Colts have won this duel the last 3 times. I think this will come down to creating serious pressure on the QB. the WR are almost impossible to cover. And dont worry too much about the running game. Get in Brady or Mannings face and force mistakes. Not easy against 2 solid O-Lines but thats all they can do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2007, 01:04:02 PM
Is it in Indy this weekend? I think it is. I actually fancy the Colts. When you've been blowing out everybody, sometimes it's hard to win a close game. I think it could be high scoring though. I'll say Indy 35 - 31
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 02, 2007, 01:23:49 PM
Nick Halling: ugh, when I heard him say while commentating on a Bengals game he said "TJ Whosyamama" for TJ Housmanzadah. I almost got sick. Give it up lad. Cant wait to see TV3's coverage, just for a laugh. wonder will they do an ITV (John Barnes!, Gabby, Martin Johnson). Is it on air yet?

Watched the show last night and its just a straight show from America showing highlights.  Whether TV3 will have their own show with their own people I doubt it very much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on November 02, 2007, 01:25:00 PM
Nick Halling: ugh, when I heard him say while commentating on a Bengals game he said "TJ Whosyamama" for TJ Housmanzadah. I almost got sick. Give it up lad. Cant wait to see TV3's coverage, just for a laugh. wonder will they do an ITV (John Barnes!, Gabby, Martin Johnson). Is it on air yet?

i think Nick Halling is a good commentator,
Him and Kevin Cadle do a good job  in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on November 02, 2007, 01:54:21 PM
I like Kevin and Nick aswell.

Remember when itv had the superbowl. they had martin johnson and some lad that played for the philadelphia eagles in the studio. Johnson was an excellent analyst. He was pointing out about the strengths and weaknesses of the offensive line, bad play calling etc and stuff you might not have noticed. Yer man from the eagles, he looked like yer man out of outkast, and didn't have much to contribute. i can't think of his name
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on November 02, 2007, 02:39:13 PM
Nick Halling: ugh, when I heard him say while commentating on a Bengals game he said "TJ Whosyamama" for TJ Housmanzadah. I almost got sick. Give it up lad. Cant wait to see TV3's coverage, just for a laugh. wonder will they do an ITV (John Barnes!, Gabby, Martin Johnson). Is it on air yet?

Whosyamama is a pet name Chad Johnson gave TJ a while back so Halling probably thought he was being funny by repeating it. Unfortunately #85 is a hard act to follow.

Title: PGA Tour
Post by: magickingdom on November 02, 2007, 09:14:47 PM
the patriots have covered the spread in every game this year (+5 this w/e) so go hit the bookies!

pga q school is on this w/e also and if anyone wants to follow bray's keith nolan's effort to get a card its here

http://pgatq.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/pgatq7/event/pgatq713/contest/1/leaderboard.htm?sort=place

he's in good shape after 3 rounds - tied 9th. top 26 plus ties get to the 2nd stage (3 stages in all)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 04, 2007, 04:04:56 PM
big game is on sky sports 2 tonight at 9.15. heard on newstalk that 'total access' in the states did a non-stop 36 hour build up! heres a 2 min 50 sec one..


http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803db328
Title: Re: PGA Tour
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 04:13:00 PM
the patriots have covered the spread in every game this year (+5 this w/e) so go hit the bookies!

pga q school is on this w/e also and if anyone wants to follow bray's keith nolan's effort to get a card its here

http://pgatq.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/pgatq7/event/pgatq713/contest/1/leaderboard.htm?sort=place

he's in good shape after 3 rounds - tied 9th. top 26 plus ties get to the 2nd stage (3 stages in all)

I am a patriots fan and have been for many years, they are the best team ever in my opinion and if they did manage to win tonight they will go undefeated in all likelyhood.

That said the Colts are brilliant themselves and I see them beating the Pats today, probably by a field goal, this will be some kind of game, a high scoring affair will suit the Patriots better than the colts.

Prediction. Colts 24 Pats 21.
Title: Re: American sports thread.
Post by: Puckoon on November 04, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
the patriots have covered the spread in every game this year (+5 this w/e) so go hit the bookies!

pga q school is on this w/e also and if anyone wants to follow bray's keith nolan's effort to get a card its here

http://pgatq.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/pgatq7/event/pgatq713/contest/1/leaderboard.htm?sort=place

he's in good shape after 3 rounds - tied 9th. top 26 plus ties get to the 2nd stage (3 stages in all)

I am a patriots fan and have been for many years, they are the best team ever in my opinion and if they did manage to win tonight they will go undefeated in all likelyhood.

That said the Colts are brilliant themselves and I see them beating the Pats today, probably by a field goal, this will be some kind of game, a high scoring affair will suit the Patriots better than the colts.

Prediction. Colts 24 Pats 21.

Im a fatalist fan myself when my teams are playing, but I cant see anyone beating the patriots. Brady is just immense this year. Randy moss, Vrabel, all in all too much firepower.
Ill stand to be corrected in a couple of hours however. Hopefully not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 04:28:42 PM
At the start of the year I put a hundred on the Pats to win the superbowl and the Red sox to win the World series. When I found saw that the Celtics picked up ray Allen I knew they were going to break the bank to get Garnett so i stuck a hundred on them as well, they will take some stopping.

No matter what happens i am up money and who knows, the way the Bruins are going Boston could hold all four titles in the four top sports, how great would that be. 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 04, 2007, 04:37:17 PM
The Pats are playing great at the minute but it will be hard to keep this level up until the Superbowl, peaked too early? Also Moss has not exactly excelled in the playoffs to date.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 04, 2007, 04:38:44 PM
Hey, Stew,

How come you're so taken with Boston?  Thought you were in Wisconsin.

BTW, the Buckeyes handed it to the Badgers yesterday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 05:52:55 PM
Hey, Stew,

How come you're so taken with Boston?  Thought you were in Wisconsin.

BTW, the Buckeyes handed it to the Badgers yesterday.

I am but when I got married we emigrated and lived in Salem, Mass for a couple of years until i got sick and had to go home. I saw the great celtic team play, Bird, McHale, The Chief, DJ and Danny Ainge, what a privilige that was.

The packers dont impress me much but I like to see them win, the daughter loves the pack.

as for the Buckeyes, they didnt do much until halfway through the third quarter and injuries killed the badgers. I would be a badgers fan and love the basketball team but with my kid going to Milwaukee in all likelyhood I will have to switch allegiances and become a UWM fan. :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 04, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 04, 2007, 09:53:27 PM
Hell of a start, only 3 points in the first quarter but both teams are knocking lumps out of each other.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 11:02:19 PM
The officials are fecking this game up! they are homers, that call on the pats was a disgrace, the pass inteference one, it only cost them three points but in a game like tis that could be the difference maker.

These two teams are probably the best two teams ever to meet in the regular season. Amazing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 04, 2007, 11:06:46 PM
bad call there, having said that the colts defence are all over brady... some game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 04, 2007, 11:55:08 PM
I may still stand corrected!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 05, 2007, 12:07:45 AM
Patriots will win this game.

Wes Walker is a better addition to the team then Moss.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 05, 2007, 12:10:48 AM
Been keeping tabs on this one on Yahoo(!). The detail on those game trackers on American websites is incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 02:28:23 AM
Nick Halling predicts the Pats to go 19-0.

Whats wrong with the Broncos this year, 3-5 and got a right hammering against the Lions... :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 02:33:42 AM
Been keeping tabs on this one on Yahoo(!). The detail on those game trackers on American websites is incredible.

Noticed that on the NFL website.  Shows every little detail of every play on every drive.

Anyone watching Cowboys/Eagles now?  Cowboys lead 14-7 and have just got the ball back, McNabb throws an interception.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on November 05, 2007, 04:29:33 AM
Been keeping tabs on this one on Yahoo(!). The detail on those game trackers on American websites is incredible.

Noticed that on the NFL website.  Shows every little detail of every play on every drive.

Anyone watching Cowboys/Eagles now?  Cowboys lead 14-7 and have just got the ball back, McNabb throws an interception.

Ya I watched it play-by-play on nfl.com as well. Eagles don't look at all good this year, I wonder did the Andy Reid fiasco affect them that much?

Just watched the highlights of Adrian Peterson against the chargers, he is unreal. What a draft pick by the Vikings. He's guaranteed Offensive rookie of the year already.

Good to see the Falcons back to winning ways but Leftwich is badly needed instead of Harrington.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 05, 2007, 04:41:30 AM
Nick Halling predicts the Pats to go 19-0.

Whats wrong with the Broncos this year, 3-5 and got a right hammering against the Lions... :o

Whats wrong with the lions!!! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 05, 2007, 02:07:43 PM
Lions are playing great, happy for them, they're no longer the whipping boys of the NFL. Packers won again too. Brett Farve, Superbowl, Final Year??????

Anyone else notice the cold handshake Tony Dungy got from Bill Bellichick after the game. I think after he got fined for cheating he's got pissed off and is wrecking revenge on the league, ie running up late scores. But still dont know what he'd have against Dungy, he seems a reasonable guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 05, 2007, 02:59:53 PM
Bill Bellichick isnt renowned for his manners juice. Hes a great coach, but hes not a nice man by all accounts. He would have had the same reaction before the cheating scandal.

Yesterday however was the first time Ive seen him not wearing that grey hooded sweatshirt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 03:08:20 PM
he was inside the Dome  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 05, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
Big win for the Pats last night especially as if both teams keep winning it could mean they have home-field advantage when they most likely play the Colts again in AFC championship game on January 20.

For most the game the Colts were the ones making the running but the Pats hung in there and when they got the scent of blood in the 4th quarter they were brutally efficient in closing the game out. The Colts had enough of the game though that will make them believe they can beat the Patriots but it won't be easy if they have to travel to Boston to do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 05, 2007, 03:57:27 PM
I dont tknow if it is going to be the procession to the Super Bowl for the Patriots that people think. Indy are not too far away from them and will have a fully fit Marvin Harrison to come back. As for Bellichick, i think he is just a grumpy f*cker with everyone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 04:07:29 PM
The Pats will lose their next game - mark my words
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 05, 2007, 04:21:25 PM
The Pats will lose their next game - mark my words

At the Bills? I don't see it but you never know.

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I dont tknow if it is going to be the procession to the Super Bowl for the Patriots that people think. Indy are not too far away from them and will have a fully fit Marvin Harrison to come back. As for Bellichick, i think he is just a grumpy f*cker with everyone.

I can't see anyone other than the Colts beating the Pats to be honest and now they may well have to go and do it in Boston as well. They could still do it though.

The Cowboys look pretty good but they are not at the level of the other two just yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 05, 2007, 04:48:19 PM
I thought the Colts would win a tight game, and it looked as if I was going to be right for a long time. That was a crucial one for the Pats to pull out though. As mentioned, they should get home field for the playoffs now, I can't see them losing twice between now and week 17. They'd have to do that and the Colts win out for the Colts to have the home field because of the head to head tiebreaker.

Marvin Harrison would have made a difference there last night, the Colts were in scoring range a few times where another WR threat would have been a big help. Gonzalez getting banged up early didn't help matters either. The Patriots are a class act though in fairness, at least on the field. Between Maroney, Falk, Watson, Moss and Welker they have a pile of weapons. Wes Welker reminds me of Wayne Chrebet of the Jets a few years ago. Underrated but lethal at getting the important catches. He's a great runner as well though.

Last night could have been a seminal moment in the destination of the Superbowl I think. If the Patriots do keep winning, I can't see anyone going to Foxboro and beating them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 04:57:44 PM
the big question is - who is the sacrificial lamb coming out of the NFC to play them in the Superbowl?

Cowboys? Giants? Packers?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 05, 2007, 05:01:43 PM
I hope its the packers, and I hope by some miracle of fate that favre throws a bomb in the last minute of regulation for a packers come from behind win! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 05, 2007, 05:44:12 PM
I'm an Eagles fan - they are crap this year but I am still an Eagles fan - T.O's TD celebration had me screaming at the TV last night!
Pats had a great win, tough physical game - great to watch Brady v Manning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 06:34:05 PM
the big question is - who is the sacrificial lamb coming out of the NFC to play them in the Superbowl?

Cowboys? Giants? Packers?

I'd say it will be the Cowboys.  Dont rate the Giants, they lost to both the Cowboys and the Packers and who of any worth have they beaten? Redskins, Eagles, Jets, Falcons, 49ers and phins.  None of those teams are having much of a season other than maybe the 'skins.  Still not sure about the Packers either.  Saints seem to be back on form with four straight wins but I still think it will be the Cowboys.  Dosnt really matter though, no team in the NFC are anywhere close to the top two in the AFC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 05, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org




anyone got a link to a clip of that? havent been able to find it anywhere...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 06:51:07 PM
here ya go - it was only on the NFL website

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803debd0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 06:53:20 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org



thejuice, are you involved in this, do you play yourself?  Seems interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 05, 2007, 07:27:44 PM
here ya go - it was only on the NFL website

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803debd0

thanks for that. unbelievable!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 05, 2007, 07:55:12 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org



thejuice, are you involved in this, do you play yourself?  Seems interesting.

I played for the Dublin Dragons for a few years before I moved across the water. Played for the college over here and am hoping to join up with the local team here. Its a bollox trying to balance playing GAA and Gridiron though. They either clashing or your just too broke up to play. Teams are openly recruiting are setting up flag football for the youngsters. When I move home again I will line out for the Dragons unless by then there is a team in the Royal county.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on November 05, 2007, 07:58:04 PM
Lions are playing great, happy for them, they're no longer the whipping boys of the NFL. Packers won again too. Brett Farve, Superbowl, Final Year??????

Anyone else notice the cold handshake Tony Dungy got from Bill Bellichick after the game. I think after he got fined for cheating he's got pissed off and is wrecking revenge on the league, ie running up late scores. But still dont know what he'd have against Dungy, he seems a reasonable guy.

Dungy compared Belichick to Barry Bonds after the spygate affair. Overall, I think Dungy is just too sweet to be wholesome. BB in fairness went over and did the perfunctory handshake and 'great game Tony' bit but you know he was not one of his many fans.

Overall, as an ex Boston ex-Pat myself, I am sooo psyched to use the local parlance about the Patriots. Won good money on them when I backed them on 2001 before the snow game against the Raiders (thank you tuck rule). Have been a big fan since in how they do business more than anything else. I knew they would get moss to toe the line, but he is an incredible athlete, now that he locked in as a disciple..

Indy can beat them in the AFC decider, but I hope they go 19-0 so BB can extend the middle finger to the NFL in style..

Allen drained an overtime 3 for the C's in Toronto last night... They look good, dont think they will win no. 17 but they could win the east this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 08:03:11 PM
Allen drained an overtime 3 for the C's in Toronto last night... They look good, dont think they will win no. 17 but they could win the east this year.

watched the game - it was very scrappy - we were lucky enough to take it to overtime.
that being said - Boston with the big 3 could go far - but only if they all avoid injury as your bench is wafer thin
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 05, 2007, 08:31:17 PM
What about them Browns? Brady Quinn will not be starting this year. I dont think any time has been as poor in the last 7 years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 10:03:33 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org



thejuice, are you involved in this, do you play yourself?  Seems interesting.

I played for the Dublin Dragons for a few years before I moved across the water. Played for the college over here and am hoping to join up with the local team here. Its a bollox trying to balance playing GAA and Gridiron though. They either clashing or your just too broke up to play. Teams are openly recruiting are setting up flag football for the youngsters. When I move home again I will line out for the Dragons unless by then there is a team in the Royal county.

Is it hard to get into?  Like you know the way if you never played soccer before you could still go out there and get the hang if it pretty easily, and in a way its the same with hurling and football.  Is it different with American Football?  It seems like it would be pretty hard to get the hang of, I was wondering because I wouldnt mind giving it a go, but have no experience or anything but there seems to be a few teams out there looking for players.  Any advice?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 06, 2007, 08:55:56 AM
Sorry GY Joe, but what do you mean by this??

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but I hope they go 19-0 so BB can extend the middle finger to the NFL in style..

The Patriots may well go 19-0, and if they do in these days in the NFL it will be an unreal achievement, but how would that justify giving 2 fingers to anybody? They got caught rotten cheating. Belichick can count himself lucky he wasn't suspended for the season, or that the Patriots didn't forfeit at least that game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 06, 2007, 09:24:51 AM
RE:Galwaybhoy

(I wouldnt say hurlings easy to get the hang of  :P , not for a Meath man anyway)

There are a team setting up in Galway if your still living there. Think they're in the city. Its not too hard to get into, if you already know how the game is played from TV, ie the different roles and positions. JUst as long as you know the general rules, i think most important is understanding the Holding rule and the Offside rule. there the ones that catch the beginners out the most. the other most important thing is to listen to the coaches and also you'll be given a play book, and you must learn it in your spare time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 06, 2007, 11:34:04 AM
RE:Galwaybhoy

(I wouldnt say hurlings easy to get the hang of  :P , not for a Meath man anyway)

There are a team setting up in Galway if your still living there. Think they're in the city. Its not too hard to get into, if you already know how the game is played from TV, ie the different roles and positions. JUst as long as you know the general rules, i think most important is understanding the Holding rule and the Offside rule. there the ones that catch the beginners out the most. the other most important thing is to listen to the coaches and also you'll be given a play book, and you must learn it in your spare time.

Well I'd know the main rules of the game, but wouldn't know much tactical wise.  I dont play any sport at the moment and would be interested in giving this a go, but dont fancy joining a team where everyone else has huge experience of the sport, but if teams are willing to train beginners then I would love to try it out.  Ya I heard there was a team setting up in Galway, I'm an hour from the city but I would have no problem driving in and out.  Might look it up further.  Thanks for the information juice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on November 06, 2007, 01:26:09 PM
Sorry GY Joe, but what do you mean by this??

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but I hope they go 19-0 so BB can extend the middle finger to the NFL in style..

The Patriots may well go 19-0, and if they do in these days in the NFL it will be an unreal achievement, but how would that justify giving 2 fingers to anybody? They got caught rotten cheating. Belichick can count himself lucky he wasn't suspended for the season, or that the Patriots didn't forfeit at least that game.

Granted they were caught cheating. When I say the NFL  I mean the establishment, other coaches, NFL management, some media etc. They were caught, but dont tell me other teams have not being doing it. The attempt to call into question the Pats other 3 SB wins, to somehow tarnish them has given BB his causes belli (whatever the latin term is for reason to attack) and he is doing it with relish. The US media, are now painting them as the evil empire like the Yanks, I'd say he enjoys that to be honest. Like I sais, I like the way they operate. I dont thhink that taping signals gave them the edge in 3 SB seasons, but I think BB is going to prove it with interest going 19 and oh... Watch and enjoy..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 06, 2007, 02:40:19 PM
Well I'd know the main rules of the game, but wouldn't know much tactical wise.  I dont play any sport at the moment and would be interested in giving this a go, but dont fancy joining a team where everyone else has huge experience of the sport, but if teams are willing to train beginners then I would love to try it out.  Ya I heard there was a team setting up in Galway, I'm an hour from the city but I would have no problem driving in and out.  Might look it up further.  Thanks for the information juice.


No team would turn anyone away, irrespective of knowledge, fitness or size. every year people start out without any experience of the game, I've trained with lads who didnt have a clue what they were at. If you've watched the game, or play Madden on your PS2 or whatever, you know as much as anyone who goes out for the first time. By the way its played to NCAA rules and not NFL rules.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 06, 2007, 05:22:42 PM
good intro here:
http://www.expertvillage.com/interviews/learn-beginner-football.htm

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 06, 2007, 07:57:42 PM
Sorry GY Joe, but what do you mean by this??

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but I hope they go 19-0 so BB can extend the middle finger to the NFL in style..

The Patriots may well go 19-0, and if they do in these days in the NFL it will be an unreal achievement, but how would that justify giving 2 fingers to anybody? They got caught rotten cheating. Belichick can count himself lucky he wasn't suspended for the season, or that the Patriots didn't forfeit at least that game.

seen this on a couple of threads but dont really know the story. what did bellichick and the pats do?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2007, 08:03:34 PM
they apparently had someone videotaping the Oppositions defensive coach and seeing what plays he was planning
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 06, 2007, 08:59:26 PM
thats hardly cheating as we'd know it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 06, 2007, 09:34:25 PM
well except that the coaches signal the plays in every time, patriots learn their signals and know what plays are coming next, its cheating...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2007, 09:16:17 AM
Anyone see James Harrison for Pittsburgh on Monday night. While I wouldnt say he single handedly ruined the Ravens offensive drives he had a big part to play in the Steelers big win. The hit he dealt out on Ed Reed on the punt return was cool. Also Willis McGahee took himself out of the game trying to block him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 07, 2007, 09:17:30 AM
Exactly. In a game like American football, this is one of the bad ones. Everyone knows that American Football is largely driven by players executing plays called in by coaches, and not a lot of improvisation unless a play breaks down. If the Patriots had taped and learned the Defensive Coaches hand signals into the defensive team, then they could simply radio the QB to tell him - this is a blitz, this is a cover 2, this is a zone blitz etc etc. It's very serious, in terms of the 'spirit of the game'. It's like in baseball where it is seriously frowned upon for a batter to try and look down to sneak a peak at the catcher's signals to the pitcher.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 07, 2007, 05:02:20 PM
they apparently had someone videotaping the Oppositions defensive coach and seeing what plays he was planning
The reason nothing was done is that (while it was underhand and a bit sneaky) it wasn't cheating. There was no way that they could video the plays, check what the opposition were doing, radio it to a coach and then onto the field, in time for Brady to actually do anything with it. The only way it would have worked would have been if the opposition had used the same signals for the same plays, the following year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2007, 09:02:56 PM
they apparently had someone videotaping the Oppositions defensive coach and seeing what plays he was planning
The reason nothing was done is that (while it was underhand and a bit sneaky) it wasn't cheating. There was no way that they could video the plays, check what the opposition were doing, radio it to a coach and then onto the field, in time for Brady to actually do anything with it. The only way it would have worked would have been if the opposition had used the same signals for the same plays, the following year.

They'll play the Jets again this year, but its not like they need to cheat, I could beat the Jets. But seriously, it helps them recognise plays, so when the same play is called again, Brady could be informed, I might not be a whole defensive formation but it might be the secondary coverage that could be given away by recording the signals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 07, 2007, 09:06:50 PM
The only thing may stop Pats going 16-0 is playing Giants in Meadowlands who may have a playoff place on the line and Pats may be resting some starters.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on November 07, 2007, 09:08:56 PM
The reason nothing was done is that (while it was underhand and a bit sneaky) it wasn't cheating.
Sources: Goodell determines Pats broke rules by taping Jets' signals (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677)
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets' coaches, according to league sources.
The NFL has a rule against taping the opposing teams sideline. The Patriots broke that rule. A good word to describe the act of breaking the rules is cheating.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on November 08, 2007, 10:12:19 AM
The only thing may stop Pats going 16-0 is playing Giants in Meadowlands who may have a playoff place on the line and Pats may be resting some starters.....

As long as the Patriots remain unbeaten they won't be resting anybody. The perfect season has only happened once in the NFL so they will want to equal it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2007, 10:13:20 AM
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The reason nothing was done is that (while it was underhand and a bit sneaky) it wasn't cheating. There was no way that they could video the plays, check what the opposition were doing, radio it to a coach and then onto the field, in time for Brady to actually do anything with it. The only way it would have worked would have been if the opposition had used the same signals for the same plays, the following year.

Sammy, I thought they taped them in other games beforehand as well?

In anycase, the hand signals from the sideline are usually quite limited. They don't be nearly as complex as the offensive signals or playcalls that come in. It wouldn't take a long time to ascertain the basic hand signal for cover 2, zone blitz, fake blitz, all out blitz or whatever. I bet within 2 defensive series, the Patriots could have given Brady a fairly good heads up as to what the defense was going to run in general.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2007, 12:15:51 PM
I reckon the Steelers will give the Pats a good game, even in Foxboro, if its a cold wet day Steelers might as well be at home, and it'll be early december so there'll be a good chance of that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 07:35:10 PM
Can the New England Revolution keep the Boston sports bandwagon rolling?

They play in the MLS Eastern Conference final tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 08, 2007, 07:56:30 PM
American sports = football, baseball, basketball

ice hockey  & American soccer = non events...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 08:08:35 PM
basketball = Canadian  :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 08, 2007, 09:01:45 PM
interesting article in todays times by george kimball on the 'cheating' pats. them colts aint no angels either...


While cruising to their NFL-best 9-0 record this season, the Patriots have been the subject of much disapprobation. After a Patriots operative was caught videotaping the New York Jets' defensive signals during a September game at the Meadowlands, the league fined coach Bill Belichick a record $500,000 and owner Robert Kraft $250,000 and ordered the forfeiture of the Pats' number one pick in next spring's NFL draft.

The episode continues to cast a pall over what has been a dramatically successful New England march through the schedule. With seven games to play, the Patriots are 9-0 and would appear to have a reasonable chance of posting the second perfect record in NFL history. But some, including Don Shula, the Hall of Fame coach whose 1972 Miami Dolphins went 17-0 to set the standard, have suggested that were this year's New England team to top that feat, the achievement would be so tainted by "Cameragate" it should be marked with an asterisk, like Barry Bonds's home-run record.

While Shula's intimations of "cheating" were widely circulated, it might be noted that the legendary coach offered no criticism of Belichick's refusal to call off the dogs in the Redskins game. After all, those 17 Miami wins in 1972 included a 52-0 victory over the Patriots.

Last Sunday, however, the tables were turned. It was not Belichick, but Tony Dungy, the straight-arrow, Bible-quoting Indianapolis coach, and the defending world champion Colts who stood accused of playing fast and loose with the rules - first by jamming the transmission of the coach-to-quarterback signal to Tom Brady's helmet, and then by ratcheting up the already-deafening crowd noise at Indianapolis's RCA Dome by electronically pumping in artificial crowd noise. "I can tell you that from a functional standpoint, the coach-to-quarterback (transmission) was basically useless," groused Belichick after the game. "We had to use hand signals to send in the plays."

In what was advertised as the most hotly anticipated regular-season game in NFL history, Brady rallied the Patriots from a 10-point deficit to a 24-20 win, but at the beginning of the fourth quarter television viewers were jolted out of their seats when the boisterous voice of the crowd abruptly segued into a whirring noise that would be familiar to anyone whose CD player has skipped. It seemed plain the home team had been caught enhancing the volume.

Since the RCA Dome is generally considered one of the more hostile environments in the nation, many wondered why the Colts had bothered. As with the Patriots' sideline camera, it was not as if they needed help.

The Patriots lodged a protest with NFL security. But a day later the league absolved the Colts, suggesting the glitch had been the result of a malfunction in the CBS television truck.

Readers can judge for themselves. The "unusual audio moment" is available at http://ballhype.com/story/indy_cheats/. It promises to be the most-viewed sporting YouTube moment since a sideline cameraman caught Mark Mangino using the F-word more than a dozen times in a sideline tirade directed at one of his players two months ago.

© 2007 The Irish Times
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 08, 2007, 09:12:49 PM
Another question for American sports geeks. Why was the Patriots going for a touchdown on a fourth down when they were thirty-something points ahead such a source of anger? Is there some unwritten rule that you only go for field goals when the game is well and truly won?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 08, 2007, 09:16:24 PM
Another question for American sports geeks. Why was the Patriots going for a touchdown on a fourth down when they were thirty-something points ahead such a source of anger? Is there some unwritten rule that you only go for field goals when the game is well and truly won?

There is generally a feeling of disrespect when it appears as though a team is running up the score against another team. Some people suggest that a team winning so heavily should use its replacements at that point. Bellichicks answer when asked if they were purposely running up the score was classic. Paraphrased it went something like this:
'We're 36 points up, what do you want us to do? Kick a fieldgoal?"

The redskins coach said that he had "no problems with anything the patriots did"

btw, If im a geek, its not because I like american sports. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 09:17:34 PM
it was seen as disrespectful and running up the score.

Imagine you were playing a GAA team who scored 4-5 in the first 10 minutes and they kept on going for goals thoughout the game - instead of easing off and taking points - would you be pissed off?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 08, 2007, 09:23:52 PM
it was seen as disrespectful and running up the score.

Imagine you were playing a GAA team who scored 4-5 in the first 10 minutes and they kept on going for goals thoughout the game - instead of easing off and taking points - would you be pissed off?

I dont buy that viewpoint, especially in america with the amount of money spent on players. I might be pissed off, but I couldnt in good conscience have any issue with the team we were playing. Id be more pissed off at my own team.  Any redskin fan who was pissed at that, is just looking at excuses outside of their own teams poor performance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 08, 2007, 09:58:03 PM
I dont see why people have a problem with "running up the score", if you dont like it do something about it. American sport is obsessed with apperaring "classy". I know anytime we have been hurling and we start to pull away from a team you want to beat them by as many as possible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 09:59:50 PM
I don't see the problem with it either
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 08, 2007, 10:17:41 PM
liverpool scored 8 the other night and no one had a problem with it, dont mention kilkenny in the hurling and come to think of it mayo people didnt make a big deal out of it these past few years either! (and before anyone jumps on me kerry got walloped by meath not that long ago). seriously tho imagine the sackings that would happen if a team eased up.. and somehow lost.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2007, 10:25:57 PM
I was just about to mention the Cats there magickingdom. I have no problems whatsoever with the beatings they hand out to people when they can, even the 31 point drubbing we got off them a few years ago. In a strange sort of way I think it shows *more* respect to the other team rather than less.

The great thing about it, as the optimist, is that when we seriously start to challenge Kilkenny, and even start beating them again, we will know that every time we play them they are trying to beat us by as much as they can. It's a proper yardstick you can measure yourself against because you can trust them to always beat you by whatever they are able to beat you by.

If I was playing the Patriots, and I felt they were easing off the gas to spare me embarrasment, I would be more insulted and upset with them. Do the best you can, always. Winning by 10, or losing by 10, keep going.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 08, 2007, 10:39:24 PM
I remember Kilkenny were playing Antrim in the NHL a few years ago and were running up a ridiculous score, something like 3-31, it actually could have been a lot worse because apparentley the Kilkenny forwards were clean through for goals and were tapping it over the bar, basically they took pity on the Saffrons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 08, 2007, 10:43:16 PM
interesting article in todays times by george kimball on the 'cheating' pats. them colts aint no angels either...


While cruising to their NFL-best 9-0 record this season, the Patriots have been the subject of much disapprobation. After a Patriots operative was caught videotaping the New York Jets' defensive signals during a September game at the Meadowlands, the league fined coach Bill Belichick a record $500,000 and owner Robert Kraft $250,000 and ordered the forfeiture of the Pats' number one pick in next spring's NFL draft.

The episode continues to cast a pall over what has been a dramatically successful New England march through the schedule. With seven games to play, the Patriots are 9-0 and would appear to have a reasonable chance of posting the second perfect record in NFL history. But some, including Don Shula, the Hall of Fame coach whose 1972 Miami Dolphins went 17-0 to set the standard, have suggested that were this year's New England team to top that feat, the achievement would be so tainted by "Cameragate" it should be marked with an asterisk, like Barry Bonds's home-run record.

While Shula's intimations of "cheating" were widely circulated, it might be noted that the legendary coach offered no criticism of Belichick's refusal to call off the dogs in the Redskins game. After all, those 17 Miami wins in 1972 included a 52-0 victory over the Patriots.

Last Sunday, however, the tables were turned. It was not Belichick, but Tony Dungy, the straight-arrow, Bible-quoting Indianapolis coach, and the defending world champion Colts who stood accused of playing fast and loose with the rules - first by jamming the transmission of the coach-to-quarterback signal to Tom Brady's helmet, and then by ratcheting up the already-deafening crowd noise at Indianapolis's RCA Dome by electronically pumping in artificial crowd noise. "I can tell you that from a functional standpoint, the coach-to-quarterback (transmission) was basically useless," groused Belichick after the game. "We had to use hand signals to send in the plays."

In what was advertised as the most hotly anticipated regular-season game in NFL history, Brady rallied the Patriots from a 10-point deficit to a 24-20 win, but at the beginning of the fourth quarter television viewers were jolted out of their seats when the boisterous voice of the crowd abruptly segued into a whirring noise that would be familiar to anyone whose CD player has skipped. It seemed plain the home team had been caught enhancing the volume.

Since the RCA Dome is generally considered one of the more hostile environments in the nation, many wondered why the Colts had bothered. As with the Patriots' sideline camera, it was not as if they needed help.

The Patriots lodged a protest with NFL security. But a day later the league absolved the Colts, suggesting the glitch had been the result of a malfunction in the CBS television truck.

Readers can judge for themselves. The "unusual audio moment" is available at http://ballhype.com/story/indy_cheats/. It promises to be the most-viewed sporting YouTube moment since a sideline cameraman caught Mark Mangino using the F-word more than a dozen times in a sideline tirade directed at one of his players two months ago.

© 2007 The Irish Times

I was  watching that NFL show on Sky Sports yesterday and this came up.  The Colts done nothing wrong, the TV channel that showed the game have said it was some sound problem on their part.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 08, 2007, 10:47:59 PM
interesting article in todays times by george kimball on the 'cheating' pats. them colts aint no angels either...


While cruising to their NFL-best 9-0 record this season, the Patriots have been the subject of much disapprobation. After a Patriots operative was caught videotaping the New York Jets' defensive signals during a September game at the Meadowlands, the league fined coach Bill Belichick a record $500,000 and owner Robert Kraft $250,000 and ordered the forfeiture of the Pats' number one pick in next spring's NFL draft.

The episode continues to cast a pall over what has been a dramatically successful New England march through the schedule. With seven games to play, the Patriots are 9-0 and would appear to have a reasonable chance of posting the second perfect record in NFL history. But some, including Don Shula, the Hall of Fame coach whose 1972 Miami Dolphins went 17-0 to set the standard, have suggested that were this year's New England team to top that feat, the achievement would be so tainted by "Cameragate" it should be marked with an asterisk, like Barry Bonds's home-run record.

While Shula's intimations of "cheating" were widely circulated, it might be noted that the legendary coach offered no criticism of Belichick's refusal to call off the dogs in the Redskins game. After all, those 17 Miami wins in 1972 included a 52-0 victory over the Patriots.

Last Sunday, however, the tables were turned. It was not Belichick, but Tony Dungy, the straight-arrow, Bible-quoting Indianapolis coach, and the defending world champion Colts who stood accused of playing fast and loose with the rules - first by jamming the transmission of the coach-to-quarterback signal to Tom Brady's helmet, and then by ratcheting up the already-deafening crowd noise at Indianapolis's RCA Dome by electronically pumping in artificial crowd noise. "I can tell you that from a functional standpoint, the coach-to-quarterback (transmission) was basically useless," groused Belichick after the game. "We had to use hand signals to send in the plays."

In what was advertised as the most hotly anticipated regular-season game in NFL history, Brady rallied the Patriots from a 10-point deficit to a 24-20 win, but at the beginning of the fourth quarter television viewers were jolted out of their seats when the boisterous voice of the crowd abruptly segued into a whirring noise that would be familiar to anyone whose CD player has skipped. It seemed plain the home team had been caught enhancing the volume.

Since the RCA Dome is generally considered one of the more hostile environments in the nation, many wondered why the Colts had bothered. As with the Patriots' sideline camera, it was not as if they needed help.

The Patriots lodged a protest with NFL security. But a day later the league absolved the Colts, suggesting the glitch had been the result of a malfunction in the CBS television truck.

Readers can judge for themselves. The "unusual audio moment" is available at http://ballhype.com/story/indy_cheats/. It promises to be the most-viewed sporting YouTube moment since a sideline cameraman caught Mark Mangino using the F-word more than a dozen times in a sideline tirade directed at one of his players two months ago.

© 2007 The Irish Times

I was  watching that NFL show on Sky Sports yesterday and this came up.  The Colts done nothing wrong, the TV channel that showed the game have said it was some sound problem on their part.

Actually I see it says that in the article, I would have noticed if I had bothered to read the end of it. ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 11, 2007, 12:07:01 AM
Huge and I mean Huge upset today in NCAA Football

University of Illinois 28  Ohio State 21

The Buckeyes came into the game as the number one team in the country and left flabergasted and pissed off.

Go ILLINI.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 11, 2007, 02:58:43 AM
I don't follow the college football too closely but I hear that there is a crazy amount of upsets this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 03:58:51 PM
Huge and I mean Huge upset today in NCAA Football

University of Illinois 28  Ohio State 21

The Buckeyes came into the game as the number one team in the country and left flabergasted and pissed off.

Go ILLINI.



The buckeyes didnt leave anywhere, they got beaten at home - by unranked opposition. :o Was a great game.

The seeding system is strange over here, but so far, the number 1 team, and 4 teams who were at a time ranked number 2, have all been beaten by unranked opposition. USC being beaten by stanford might have been the upset of the season so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2007, 08:45:04 PM
St Louis and the Dolphins are looking like they're about to win a game this weekend. Rams are kickin the sheet out of the Saints. Phins are tied with Buffalo 10-10. Packers are 34-0 up on the Vikings. Peterson sadly cant repeat last weeks performance. The Pack just got the most comical of touchdowns. Brett throws a pass short and 2 Vikes go for it, coliding with each other and sending the ball up in the air to be caught easily by the intended WR waiting in the end zone.

Pity the Irish have fallen so much. 1-9 such a bad season they're having.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 08:59:53 PM
Great performance by Favre and the packers, but the much vaunted run defence of the vikings has been missing today. Greenbay have had a field day on offence, even with the run game. 4 or 5 shovel passes by Favre, play fakes galore - was enjoying it immensley until fox switched coverage to a more competitive game.
Redskins at home to the eagles. Brian westbrook touchdown run with 3 minutes left on the clock for the eagles to take the lead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2007, 09:07:43 PM
Saints have pulled the game back. scored 22 points in the 4th qtr. need a TD and 2 point conversion to tie. will be some comback if they do it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2007, 09:08:40 PM
............but they didnt
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 09:19:35 PM
Not leavin the sofa all day. Hope this giants/cowboys game lives up to its billing.


Edit: So far so good. Tony Curtis touchdown, assuming the extra point - 7-0 cowboys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 11, 2007, 09:36:45 PM


The seeding system is strange over here, but so far, the number 1 team, and 4 teams who were at a time ranked number 2, have all been beaten by unranked opposition. USC being beaten by stanford might have been the upset of the season so far.

does anyone actually understand it? last year was a bit of a mess...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 11, 2007, 10:29:46 PM
Ah well,same old Browns. Had a chance to beat Steelers and blew it, Anderson threw for 3 TD's but only 127 yards. He has to be the biggest surprise of the year and if he keeps this play up the Browns may have to think of trading Brady Quinn for a 1st Round pick next year as they need help on defensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 11, 2007, 10:40:29 PM
Not leavin the sofa all day. Hope this giants/cowboys game lives up to its billing.


Edit: So far so good. Tony Curtis touchdown, assuming the extra point - 7-0 cowboys.


17-17 at half-time. Good game so far but a few schoolboy penalties.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 11:38:44 PM
Not leavin the sofa all day. Hope this giants/cowboys game lives up to its billing.


Edit: So far so good. Tony Curtis touchdown, assuming the extra point - 7-0 cowboys.


17-17 at half-time. Good game so far but a few schoolboy penalties.

Her indoors kicked me out to walk the dogs. Plus the neighbours dog. That makes 3. >:(

Back now, king of the sofa once again!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on November 12, 2007, 11:46:27 AM
What a catch!! Crazy game, will take it though!!



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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 12, 2007, 12:54:45 PM
that game was crazy last night

after 10 minutes Rivers was 0 for 3 but still leading 16 nothing

 :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 12, 2007, 09:22:20 PM
crazy game? what about them colts 23-0 down and come back to 21-23... they got a new streak going now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2007, 02:27:35 PM
Saw this online this morning and looked pretty cool

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=684920

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HOW IT WAS DONE: Using time-lapse photography, Journal Sentinel photographer Tom Lynn offers a day in the life of a game at Lambeau Field. Tom began by stationing a Canon EOS Mark II digital camera, mounted with a 16mm lens, atop the southwest corner of the stadium, encapsulating the entire bowl of the stadium with the field at its core. Powered by an external battery pack, the camera automatically fired every 20 seconds, shooting from 9:45 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., capturing the stadium as it filled with fans, as the game unfolded, and as the stadium emptied. The entire process captured 1,194 total images, which have been compressed into this two-minute video.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 16, 2007, 08:30:59 PM
things have taken a turn for the worst for barry bonds... (about time too)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7097583.stm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 17, 2007, 01:38:15 AM
Big game for Nevada tonight against BCS bowl and Heismann candidates Hawaii and Colt Brennan.


LETS GO WOLF PACK LETS GO
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 17, 2007, 08:51:10 AM
7 seconds on the clock, Hawaii hit a 45 yard field goal to win by two points. Granted their second string quarterback was playing, but still it would have been nice to beat them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 17, 2007, 04:33:02 PM
Buckeyes @ Wolverines in a half hour  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 17, 2007, 04:39:42 PM
Do you think the wolverines can cause an upset?

Some season for notre dame, ESPN billed the loser of their game with Duke as "The worst team in the country"
Some fall from grace.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 17, 2007, 04:44:54 PM
Michigan have been awful this season - can't see it changing today

Re: ND - they've a team full of freshmen and juniors

wait to you see them in 2 years time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 18, 2007, 10:37:08 PM
Anyone hoping the Skins do one on the Cowboys. I dont dislike the Cowboys I just want the Skins to win.

Indy just scrapped by the Chiefs with a FG in the last 3 seconds.
The Packers do it again.
The Phins threatened to upset their perfect season but the Eagles made sure
100yard interception by browns vs Ravens

4 QBs with over 300 passing yards on the losing side
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 18, 2007, 11:02:25 PM
I would say they were on the losing side because they were shasing the game, i take it none of them had a 100 yard rusher in the game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 18, 2007, 11:03:29 PM
Id have to say the Cowboys are in my top three of least favourite teams, added to the fact that I liked the redskins as a kid, I can only hope for one result here. The greenbay machine keeps on rollin' with the battle of the two oldest quarterbacks ever to play together in NFL history.


Gabriel, Michigan were awful yesterday, shocking way for the coach to go out.

Boston college came from behind well to beat clemson in a decent second half last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 18, 2007, 11:35:44 PM
What a good weekend of sports:

The Buckeyes beat Michigan

The Browns beat Baltimore

Crossmaglen survived Dromore
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 19, 2007, 11:49:53 AM
Brady had 5 TD's last night, anyone know what his total for the season is now. Im guestimating about 37-38, reckon he could end up with about 50+. And the only player who could come close to that again is Brady himself, if the talent he has around him stays on for another season.

And if he did pull off more than 50+ TDs, and win a Superbowl, would that make him the best QB ever. Or would any QB as good or almost as good being surrounded by as much talent. Dan Marino made the Dolphins achieve more than they should have I feel. and still held the TD record for a long time. But 4 Superbowls is hard to argue with.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 19, 2007, 11:51:56 AM
4 superbowls in the modern era would be very hard to argue with. I can't help feeling though that the likes of Randy Moss, Ben Watson, Wes Welker etc make a great quarterback look even better.

I'd still rank Joe Montana and possibly John Elway ahead of Brady at the moment, but not by much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 19, 2007, 12:09:11 PM
I never thought anybody would be better than Montana but Brady is getting very close. If he can go 19-0, then the discussion is over, he will be the greatest QB ever. Also he's only just turned 30, so he has another few good years left. By the time he retire he could have set records that will never be equalled.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 19, 2007, 12:51:40 PM
I never thought anybody would be better than Montana but Brady is getting very close. If he can go 19-0, then the discussion is over, he will be the greatest QB ever. Also he's only just turned 30, so he has another few good years left. By the time he retire he could have set records that will never be equalled.

Best team perhaps, Brady does not play Defense or Special Teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 12:56:27 PM
The astonishing thing (well, one of many) about Brady is that he was the 199th pick in the draft and only made it into the team because Drew Bledsoe was injured. As the Americans would say, go figure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 19, 2007, 01:55:29 PM
The astonishing thing (well, one of many) about Brady is that he was the 199th pick in the draft and only made it into the team because Drew Bledsoe was injured. As the Americans would say, go figure.

Its all down to hard work. Supposedly does alot of extra hours training and examining plays and opposition. I know there are alot of people out there who dont like him, due to publicity(esp, the one where he slept with 3 super models, at the same time or on seperate occasions i dont know, lucky b**tard) but everything he's got he's worked for and the reason he's that damn good is down to his work ethic.

If anyone watches America's Game on Saturday morning, there was a great piece on the Pats when they won thier first SB, Brady was still very much not rated nor were the Pats. Brady found his coaches QB notes, it had the run-down on him and Bledsoe and whoever else was on the roster but for Brady they had a long list saying, "He's too slow" "doesnt read the game quickly enough" and so he took it on himself to speed up his game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 02:07:05 PM
Another one for you fellas who understand gridiron (ye should probably charge me a consultancy fee): what was so improbable about Brady's moving the ball into field goal range at the end of his first Super Bowl win? I've read about it a lot but it still doesn't make sense to me . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 19, 2007, 02:09:15 PM
Brady is the second best quarterback of all time behind Favre. i am no packer fan but favre has destroyed all records and brady is on pace to eclipse even him.


Montana was a great player on a great team, to me he is fourth all time behind Elway and brady and Favre. Favre has not often had the surrounding cast in his time but he is a natural born winner and I have never seen his equal.

manning would be 5th at this stage, the game between the two big guns this year proved that Brady, although not at his best could still get the job done whereas manning has sputtered since and the team is struggling.

Favre has an average packeer team 9-1 at age 38, now that is amazing but Brady is the leagues best player by a country mile. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 19, 2007, 02:14:52 PM
Another one for you fellas who understand gridiron (ye should probably charge me a consultancy fee): what was so improbable about Brady's moving the ball into field goal range at the end of his first Super Bowl win? I've read about it a lot but it still doesn't make sense to me . . .

Several factors went into this. they were playing a juggernaut in St Louis and were expected to get hammered, he was up against the clock and had only one time out left, he had to throw the ball wide so the receivers could step out of bounds to stop the clock and he marched upfield to give Vinateiri a chance to win it for them.

I am a pats fan and always have been, what was more amazing to me was the win in the AGFC championship game against the raiders, that will forever be the cornerstone thatdefines Brady's greatness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2007, 02:15:27 PM
Another one for you fellas who understand gridiron (ye should probably charge me a consultancy fee): what was so improbable about Brady's moving the ball into field goal range at the end of his first Super Bowl win? I've read about it a lot but it still doesn't make sense to me . . .

They had no time-outs left I believe - they moved down the field in 90 seconds
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 19, 2007, 02:21:04 PM
Alright deiseach. Excuse my usual long windedness.

Brady's drive in that game was noteworthy because he brought them from their own 17 yard line to the Rams 30, which was 53 yards, in 1 minute 17 seconds, with no timeouts under intense pressure. When you are operating with no timeouts, it is incumbant on the QB to make big plays because, unlike college football, the clock will not stop unless the receiver goes out of bounds with the ball under his own power, i.e. runs out of bounds to stop the clock, or else with a penalty or incomplete pass. Obviously too many incomplete passes means you won't make the requisite yards, while penalties will back you up.

Also, in that situation, a running play is more or less off the radar, because the defences will likely tackle the man in bounds, thus running time off the clock as the ball is reset, people get in position etc. So, to recap, under intense pressure in the last minute of a Superbowl, Brady had to throw passes which would allow his receiver get out of bounds after the catch, while the Rams defence were waiting for this to happen.

It was a supreme piece of play-calling, execution and clock management. When they reached the 30 with his last pass, a 16 yarder to Wiggins, Wiggins never got out of bounds, so Brady had to hurry his lads up to the line, get them all set and spike the ball (intentional incomplete pass, with no sack threat) with about 3 seconds left. For a young man in his first Superbowl, it was ice cool and a fantastic drive.

There have been other brilliant Drives to win Superbowls, Montana had one against Cincinatti I think, when he marched up the field to win the game on a pass to Taylor, if I remember rightly, but none with such a raw QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2007, 02:26:33 PM
You are correct about that Montana drive AZ - it's still shown on some sport shows here as one of the best moments in NFL history
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2007, 02:27:25 PM
and here's the drive itself

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QtktAeu2tQQ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 02:28:21 PM
Long windedness is good. Thanks for that, AZ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 19, 2007, 02:29:49 PM
I think AZoffaly covered everything I was going to say. The big thing about it is, the defense know that your options are limited at this stage. They wont have to worry about stopping the run so much, can back off a bit and make sure the sidelines are well covered. For a guy playing in his first Superbowl, its even more remarkable. Most lads would cack themselves. It was reminiscent of Kevin Foleys goal against the Dubs in 91  ;D

Two great QBs of the future were on display last night. Tony Romo and Jason Cambell. Romo is reminding me of Brett Favre, Cambell could have led the Skins to an unlikely win but for some rookie errors and great pressure from Ware at DE for the Cowboys. Cambell doesnt have a target like Terrell Owens that Romo has, not that the Skins WR corps are bad, Randel -El and McCardell are good players but not like TO where its nearly always a serious mis-match. (By the way does anyone think TO has changed, he is preaching being a team-player and thanking God, but did hint at being "under-apprechiated". Does that translate into "Im not getting paid enough" or what)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 19, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
I'm a Brady fan, mostly because he's been winning me money this year, however I think that brady has a huge advantage over every other quarterback in the league right now, his receiving unit is unbelievable. It is so far ahead of every other team in the league its not funny. This is not an argument against Brady, some of his play this year has been great (the faked spike made me laugh out loud)however if you look at a group of maybe 5/6 others there's maybe not as much in it. Favre has been great this year, but he has ridden his luck many times for game winners, peyton has had huge numbers of passes dropped by mediocre receivers, and his number one target is injured. Big ben is playing very well and his pocket play is improved no end. Romo is having a laugh, similar story to brady plucked from obscurity and now likely to make at least the nfc championship game (helps that he has TO on form). And just to add a controversial one, Eli Manning, palying in the goldfish bowl that is the Giants obsessed new york media, he came in as the number one pick and refused to play for the team that drafted him, forcing a trade to new york. Has dealt well with coaching and is having a great year despite crap receiving unit and a poor offensive line. Tikki barber opening his giant mouth about eli was the best thing to happen to him all year.
So to summarise (finally) Tom Brady best QB in the league? Maybe, just maybe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 19, 2007, 04:08:12 PM
Brady is the second best quarterback of all time behind Favre. i am no packer fan but favre has destroyed all records and brady is on pace to eclipse even him.


Montana was a great player on a great team, to me he is fourth all time behind Elway and brady and Favre. Favre has not often had the surrounding cast in his time but he is a natural born winner and I have never seen his equal.

manning would be 5th at this stage, the game between the two big guns this year proved that Brady, although not at his best could still get the job done whereas manning has sputtered since and the team is struggling.

Favre has an average packeer team 9-1 at age 38, now that is amazing but Brady is the leagues best player by a country mile. ;D

Stew, you absolutely nailed my own opinion right on the head. Favre has done most of his record breaking on his own. Imagine if he had Bradys receiving options for one or two seasons past.

For me Brady is a born winner, when you watch him make a small mistake, he reacts like its the biggest mistake in the superbowl. He fights against himself and his will to succeed and win has played a large part in him becomming on of the best all  time quarterbacks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 19, 2007, 04:09:00 PM
I'm a Brady fan, mostly because he's been winning me money this year, however I think that brady has a huge advantage over every other quarterback in the league right now, his receiving unit is unbelievable. It is so far ahead of every other team in the league its not funny. This is not an argument against Brady, some of his play this year has been great (the faked spike made me laugh out loud)however if you look at a group of maybe 5/6 others there's maybe not as much in it. Favre has been great this year, but he has ridden his luck many times for game winners, peyton has had huge numbers of passes dropped by mediocre receivers, and his number one target is injured. Big ben is playing very well and his pocket play is improved no end. Romo is having a laugh, similar story to brady plucked from obscurity and now likely to make at least the nfc championship game (helps that he has TO on form). And just to add a controversial one, Eli Manning, palying in the goldfish bowl that is the Giants obsessed new york media, he came in as the number one pick and refused to play for the team that drafted him, forcing a trade to new york. Has dealt well with coaching and is having a great year despite crap receiving unit and a poor offensive line. Tikki barber opening his giant mouth about eli was the best thing to happen to him all year.
So to summarise (finally) Tom Brady best QB in the league? Maybe, just maybe


Brady is light years ahead of everyone else this year, he is on pace to destroy the most coveted record in football and his td to interception ratio is incredible. He has a tremendous wr unit but this is the first year he has ever had such a potent unit and his first two superbowl wins were won with average wide receivers.

Forget the best in the league........maybe and see him for what he is and what he will be if he wins it all again this year, the best ever qb in NFL ever.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 19, 2007, 05:00:14 PM
I'm a Brady fan, mostly because he's been winning me money this year, however I think that brady has a huge advantage over every other quarterback in the league right now, his receiving unit is unbelievable.

It is this year. Previously though the Pats have had a fairly modest set of receivers but Brady still won Superbowls with them. I don't think he's the flashiest QB ever or even the most naturally gifted but the guy is just a machine. No QB works harder than he does. None of them are as smart as he is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 19, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
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the best ever qb in NFL ever

Brady may well achieve more than any other QB ever in the NFL, bit does that make him the best ever? For me best ever is most talented, not who achieves the most in the league. Maurice Fitz was way better than Pat Spillane, but Pat has more medals. better example may be (and this from an Armagh man) Frank McGuigan and Justin McNulty, Justy has a celtic cross in his pocket, doesn't make him the better player...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on November 19, 2007, 05:59:31 PM
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the best ever qb in NFL ever

Brady may well achieve more than any other QB ever in the NFL, bit does that make him the best ever? For me best ever is most talented, not who achieves the most in the league. Maurice Fitz was way better than Pat Spillane, but Pat has more medals. better example may be (and this from an Armagh man) Frank McGuigan and Justin McNulty, Justy has a celtic cross in his pocket, doesn't make him the better player...

Well, Heganboy, at some point you have to get off the fence on this. Yes, there maybe were QBs who are more talented than Thomas Brady. There is an argument that Manning is better, and I can see why they say that, for the long bomb, he is the man. Sweet pinpoint passes that look gorgeous. But I think that what lads are saying here i.e "iceman, machine, smart, presence, calculations..."  etc etc etc should really tell you that the man is more than the sum of his parts. He is the best.

Its been great for me this year as a Boston sports fan to see the level of interest in the NFL and in particular Brady and the Pats because from the day he came in for Bledsoe, I just thought that this kid had 'something'. And that Superbowl winning drive that AZ described against the Rams was incredible for a rookie. Remember John Madden saying that they should spike the ball and look to win in OT!!!
I happen to think that last year was his best season.. up to now anyway,  Pioli and Belicheck recognised that and got him the bullets that his guns deserved and you see the results.
The American press in General still didnt rate Brady after that 2001 win, I could not get over that lack of excitement about a guy who I thought was unreal. Doesnt matter what sport you follow, class usually distinguishes itself and from day one he had class written all over him... The best bit, he just keeps getting better..

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 19, 2007, 07:29:10 PM
and here's the drive itself

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QtktAeu2tQQ

that was class, montana, rice, taylor and bill walsh all legends. i was lovin it till 4.30 in and who do i see but steve young ahHHHH! the greatest qb ever (brady has a bit to go) and the most overratted qb ever on the one team...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 02:11:02 AM
Blistering start by denver here. 14-0 5 mins left in first quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 20, 2007, 04:33:30 AM
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the best ever qb in NFL ever

Brady may well achieve more than any other QB ever in the NFL, bit does that make him the best ever? For me best ever is most talented, not who achieves the most in the league. Maurice Fitz was way better than Pat Spillane, but Pat has more medals. better example may be (and this from an Armagh man) Frank McGuigan and Justin McNulty, Justy has a celtic cross in his pocket, doesn't make him the better player...

Heganboy montana had arguably the best receiver to play the game in his prime, it is only this year that Brady has had a team of studs and he has been amazing. he has three rings so far, will win a fourth this year and he is only 30. This guy has it all, he is a lot like Favre, not flashy but a tremendous force out there where it matters most. between the ears, and he is better than Favre by far in that category.

This is a golden era for quarterbacks in this league. manning is phenominal as is Favre and Brady, Romo is coming along nicely and there are several really young quarterbacks that are top notch.

The packers have a man on deck who will be as good as any out there in two yers time. aaron rogers, you heard it here first. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 11:49:40 AM
Jason Cambell from the Skins is going to be a great QB. Its quite funny when you look at all the last no 1 draft picks that were QBs. Some of the m raise a few eyebrows.

2007 JaMarcus Russell         Oakland Raiders
2006 Mario Williams             Houston Texans
2005 Alex Smith                 San Francisco 49ers
2004 Eli Manning                San Diego Chargers
2003 Carson Palmer            Cincinnati Bengals
2002 David Carr                 Houston Texans
2001 Michael Vick               Atlanta Falcons
2000 Courtney Brown         Cleveland Browns
1999 Tim Couch                Cleveland Browns
1998 Peyton Manning         Indianapolis Colts
1997 Orlando Pace             St. Louis Rams
1996 Keyshawn Johnson     New York Jets
1995 Ki-Jana Carter             Cincinnati Bengals
1994 Dan Wilkinson            Cincinnati Bengals
1993 Drew Bledsoe            New England Patriots
1992 Steve Emtman           Indianapolis Colts
1991 Russell Maryland           Dallas Cowboys
1990 Jeff George                 Indianapolis Colts
1989 *Troy Aikman              Dallas Cowboys  
1988 Aundray Bruce              Atlanta Falcons
1987 Vinny Testaverde         Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1986 Bo Jackson                  Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1985 Bruce Smith                 Buffalo Bills
1984 Irving Fryar                  New England Patriots
1983 *John Elway               Baltimore Colts
1982 Kenneth Sims             New England Patriots
1981 George Rogers            New Orleans Saints
1980 Bill Sims                      Detroit Lions
1979 Tom Cousineau            Buffalo Bills
1978 *Earl Campbell              Houston Oilers
1977 Ricky Bell                     Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1976 *Lee Roy Selmon         Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1975 Steve Bartkowski         Atlanta Falcons  
1974 Ed 'Too Tall' Jones      Dallas Cowboys  
1973 John Matuszak            Houston Oilers
1972 Walt Patulski              Buffalo Bills
1971 Jim Plunkett              New England Patriots
1970 *Terry Bradshaw        Pittsburgh Steelers
1969 *O.J. Simpson            Buffalo Bills
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 20, 2007, 12:17:16 PM
Dont forget Ryan Leaf, selected behind Manning, biggest bust with Couch probably.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 20, 2007, 01:48:41 PM
If you go by a teams first round selection, I think the last 8 for the Chicago Bears have been cut or released by their second or third year :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 20, 2007, 01:57:56 PM
The Browns drafted Couch and Courtney Brown, both first overall picks, now out of the league (Brown was with Broncos last year, they cut him), Jeff Faine was a first round pick, cut. William Green was also cut, i think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 02:52:33 PM
The Browns drafted Couch and Courtney Brown, both first overall picks, now out of the league (Brown was with Broncos last year, they cut him), Jeff Faine was a first round pick, cut. William Green was also cut, i think.

Wonder will Brady Quinn get a look in at all, Anderson is doing a good job. Is Charlie Frye still on their roster??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2007, 02:56:58 PM
Frye is backing up Matt Hasselback in Seattle now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 02:59:21 PM
how many quarterbacks are available for draft each year ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 20, 2007, 02:59:48 PM
I saw an interesting article on ESPN that they may look into trading Quinn for a 1st Round pick in the '08 draft as Quinn would be rated higher than any QB's that are due to be in the '08 draft, so they would go with Anderson and use the pick to help their woeful defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 03:11:55 PM
how many quarterbacks are available for draft each year ?

Theres no limit on them. Just a limited number of good ones. Of all the players that leave college only a small fraction end up in the NFL and fewer still become successful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 20, 2007, 03:12:45 PM
how many quarterbacks are available for draft each year ?

That depends on how many are good enough to make an NFL roster. It varies from year to year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
What happens all the players that don't make the nfl there must be loads of player who once their college career is over thats it no more  football for them. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2007, 03:19:50 PM
There’s the Canadian Football League and the Arena Football League

More lower leagues as well - but you'll find most of them get an ordinary job
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 03:22:10 PM
What happens all the players that don't make the nfl there must be loads of player who once their college career is over thats it no more  football for them. 

Some if not all will have some form of college education. Thats a requirement I think. As Ive never been in the states longer than a week I really dont know if they quit altogether, but im sure theres a senior mens league somewhere for people who want to keep playing. But I would imagine it wouldnt come close to what they'd have been used to in high school or college in terms of spectators
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:29:03 PM
What happens all the players that don't make the nfl there must be loads of player who once their college career is over thats it no more  football for them. 

Some if not all will have some form of college education. Thats a requirement I think. As Ive never been in the states longer than a week I really dont know if they quit altogether, but im sure theres a senior mens league somewhere for people who want to keep playing. But I would imagine it wouldnt come close to what they'd have been used to in high school or college in terms of spectators

i suppose you can see why the college football is taking so seriously for most of them its their only chance to play on front of such large crowds
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:32:02 PM
Im not sure if there is a major mens league in most or many cities for the people who finish after college. I guess they just go on to work, maybe they coach at high schools or something. One thing is for sure, any time I sit down at a poker table and come across someone who played college ball - they dont need an invitation to recount their glory days for everyone in the room. Sometimes its worth listening to, sometimes, yawn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:36:23 PM
Im not sure if there is a major mens league in most or many cities for the people who finish after college. I guess they just go on to work, maybe they coach at high schools or something. One thing is for sure, any time I sit down at a poker table and come across someone who played college ball - they dont need an invitation to recount their glory days for everyone in the room. Sometimes its worth listening to, sometimes, yawn.

Texas holdem puckoon?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 03:37:07 PM
Just remembered, Did anyone see the video messege from Kevin Everett before the BIlls-pats game. It was a nice touch, but didnt exactly rally the troops. Good to see he's doing well. They say he'll be able to live somewhat of a normal life now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:39:09 PM
Mostly deel. Little omaha now and then when I can find a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:45:58 PM
Mostly deel. Little omaha now and then when I can find a game.

having a game at home this weekend with the lads looking forward to it a few drinks watch the football and not loose to much money i hope ;). Never heard of Little omaha might have to start a poker thread on the different types of games puckoon
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2007, 03:46:23 PM
Just remembered, Did anyone see the video messege from Kevin Everett before the BIlls-pats game. It was a nice touch, but didnt exactly rally the troops. Good to see he's doing well. They say he'll be able to live somewhat of a normal life now.

Yeah - that was a nice touch - it was good to see a close-up of Teddy Bruschi as well - who had a stroke a few seasons back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:50:03 PM
Mostly deel. Little omaha now and then when I can find a game.

having a game at home this weekend with the lads looking forward to it a few drinks watch the football and not loose to much money i hope ;). Never heard of Little omaha might have to start a poker thread on the different types of games puckoon

 :D I mean, I play a little omaha. Not a game called little omaha. The game is just omaha, although there are varying types. :D
Best way to not lose too much money at a home game deel is to make it a tournament style. Have everyone fork over 40$ into the pot at the start, give everyone the same amount of chips, and pay the top two or three.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:52:03 PM
Mostly deel. Little omaha now and then when I can find a game.

having a game at home this weekend with the lads looking forward to it a few drinks watch the football and not loose to much money i hope ;). Never heard of Little omaha might have to start a poker thread on the different types of games puckoon

 :D I mean, I play a little omaha. Not a game called little omaha. The game is just omaha, although there are varying types. :D
Best way to not lose too much money at a home game deel is to make it a tournament style. Have everyone fork over 40$ into the pot at the start, give everyone the same amount of chips, and pay the top two or three.

 :D :D :D i have you now little puckoon
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 20, 2007, 06:53:43 PM
baseball is a great card game... if you want to make/lose it all in a short time! basically its poker but you get dealt 8 cards three turned up, 3s and jokers are wild, if you get dealt a 3 turned up you must double the pot to stay in.. can be expensive if it goes wrong!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 02:33:07 PM
The 25th Anniversary of The Play. sometime this week.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=YAxu9Rfm77M
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 21, 2007, 02:36:33 PM
The 25th Anniversary of The Play. sometime this week.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=YAxu9Rfm77M

what was the story with that Juice?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 02:42:50 PM
Stanford (in white) had just scored a TD to take the lead in the dying seconds, after completing a remarkable comeback. and that kick-off was the final play of the game. The California bears got in for a touchdown after making 5 lateral passes to keep the ball alive. The reason the Stanford band had ran onto the field was because they thought the ball had gone dead at the first tackle. I think Joe Montana or was it John Elway that was QB for Stanford that day. Im sure someone might correct me on that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 02:47:26 PM
It was elway, and he made a huge mistake. He called a timeout with 8 seconds left, for stanford to hit the winning fieldgoal. Had he ran down the clock a bit, The bears might not have been able to recover the football before the final whistle.
Great play though, its always on the top ten sporting moments over here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 02:50:53 PM
Right so it was a Field Goal not a TD. I've only seen a small video of it on TV about a year ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 21, 2007, 03:01:49 PM
It was def Elway - Montana was at Notre Dame

there was some very similar to that happen this year as well

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 03:05:23 PM
I just wikipediaed it, some interesting facts.

Elway for years was very very bitter about the touchdown being given to Cal, there was some debate as to whether one of the cal players was grounded before releasing the lateral pass.

One of the cal players involved in the play is now serving 45- to life for murdering his wife and 3 year old kid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Play)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 03:08:52 PM

there was some very similar to that happen this year as well

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220

FFS, if i was on that team in purple I'd be sick. Itwas like a game of basketball the way that ball was going about.


there was some debate as to whether one of the cal players was grounded before releasing the lateral pass.

One of the cal players involved in the play is now serving 45- to life for murdering his wife and 3 year old kid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Play)

There you are now, for any of you who dont believe in karma!  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 03:23:57 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312382,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312382,00.html)

Jets in trouble for fans abusing women and asking them to flash their breasts during games at the meadow lands.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 03:42:14 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312382,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312382,00.html)

Jets in trouble for fans abusing women and asking them to flash their breasts during games at the meadow lands.

In the game at wembley there  was aJets fan who got ejected for punching another spectator. That same Jets fan was beside me while the teams were coming out of the tunnell for the second half. He was shouting at Michael Strahan, calling him "a dirty f**got". I told him to give it up, but he looked at me like I was dirt,( I was  wearing a Giants top).

I dont know if the Jets have bad fans or what. But thats pretty horrible that women are goaded into exposing themselves, but worse still for any woman with some self respect who doesnt comply to be spat on or verbally abused is terrible. Cleveland Browns have a bad reputation as well I believe. Dont know if the Oakland Raiders' fans Black Hole is a spot for trouble but opposing teams generally dont celebrate too close to the spectators there. No Lambeau leaps in there unless your wearing Silver and Black, even still I wouldnt dare.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 03:43:40 PM
There are oakland raider fans, who are petrified of oakland raider fans. Crazy bunch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 21, 2007, 03:44:48 PM
I hear the Eagles fans have a reputation too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 21, 2007, 03:47:44 PM
Philly fans are the biggest bunch of dicks in American sports  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 21, 2007, 03:48:50 PM
Philly fans are the biggest bunch of dicks in American sports  ;D

Aye so i believe, my mate worked in Philly for a few years and he said they were a shower of scumbags.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 21, 2007, 03:49:10 PM
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Blinkered America is already among the thugs (http://sport.guardian.co.uk/americansports/comment/0,10160,1660848,00.html)

They like to glamorise European soccer hooligans, but nobody in US sports seems to realise that they've got a homegrown problem of their own, argues Steven Wells

The original premise for this article was to wander around Philadelphia on the day that the hated Dallas Cowboys gridiron team came to town, verbally assaulting Texans. "Who are ya?" and "Where's ya top boyz, zen?" I'd yell until my antics were noticed by Eagles hooligans who would initiate me into their "crew" - and thus start me on a journey of violence, homo-erotic male bonding and - ultimately - self-discovery. A bit like Bill Buford's Among the Thugs or that film Green Street. Only in reverse.

It didn't work out like that - not least because nobody walks around Philadelphia wearing Dallas colours. Ever. Nobody, not even a Texan, would be that insane. And that might in turn explain why I couldn't find a single hooligan - not just in Philadelphia but anywhere in the United States of America.

That's the wonder of American sports. There are fistfights, showers of beer (and faeces, canned dog food and coins), portable toilets kicked over with opposition fans inside them, knifings, deafening verbal abuse, full-scale riots, cars set alight, disabled fans stripped and their clothing destroyed, players puking because they've breathed in the pepper spray used by police to dissuade two sets of fans from kicking the sweet bejesus out of each other - and not a single hooligan in sight. Amazing when you think about it.

But first, here's a few brief extracts from America's ongoing and ever growing fascination with "soccer" hooliganism.

"We all know that in Europe you're not really considered a sports fan until you've been crushed to death against a chain-link fence," chuckles US TV satirist Steven Colbert.

"I just came from a soccer game, We got destroyed," says a beat-up looking dude in the Metro newspaper strip Girls & Sports.
"That must have been a pretty physical game," says a friend.
"Actually," says the severely bruised dude, "I was in the stands." Ba-dum-tish! (That same issue carried a 60-word article about how the city of Boston paid $5.1m to the parents of a female student killed by police during the riot that followed the Red Sox winning baseball's World Series in 2004.)

In August I saw Chelsea play Milan in Giants Stadium, New Jersey. As is usual when the soccer superpowers come to town, the atmosphere was carnivalesque. There were Chelsea and Milan, Poland, Portugal and England shirts with nobody so much as exchanging a dirty look.

Compare that to an incident at a 1980s Philadelphia Eagles game (as recounted in Jere Longman's new book about the Eagles, If Football's A Religion, Why Don't We Have A Prayer?). Two Philadelphia fans assist a fan in a wheelchair to the top of a steep ramp. They notice that he's wearing a Dallas shirt, so they turn him round and say: "Take off the jersey or you're going for a ride." The terrified Cowboy strips off his shirt - and the Eagles fans rip it to shreds.

Meanwhile, back at Giants Stadium, things do indeed turn nasty, but it's nothing to do with soccer. On the concourse, a tiny New York Giants gridiron fan spots a giant in a Phialdelphia Eagles shirt and goes nuts. "Eagles suck! How many Super Bowls you won? Huh, huh?" he yaps, spraying beer-spit everywhere, standing on tip-toes and prodding the big guy hard in the chest. The soccer fans part on either side of the increasingly violent bickering.

There's not much soul-searching about sports hooliganism within the US - and what little there is tends to focus on the behaviour of African-American basketball players rather than predominantly white football fans. For no matter how many college games end in drunken mob violence (as many do), no matter how many American city centres see running battles between sports fans and riot police, the US sports media continues to present hooliganism as something utterly un-American. (This blinkered provincialism has parallels with the 1996 decision by the US State Department to "red flag" parts of south London as no-go areas for American tourists, claiming that Millwall was as dangerous as Guatemala - which, at the time, was overrun by right-wing death squads.)

When it comes to hooliganism, the US media really is the pot calling the kettle black. Riots at US sports events occur far more frequently than they do in the UK. And yet, in American popular culture, the "hooligan" is almost without exception portrayed as a soccer fan (and nearly always as English).

Which might explain the success in the US of the movie Green Street. This, as I'm sure you know, is the story of how American Frodo Baggins is taught how to beat up idiots by a Brad Pitt lookalike West Ham hoolie with the worst cockney accent since Sir John Gielgud played Arthur Mullard in the Young Vic's disastrous 1991 stage adaptation of Yus My Dear. The US reviews of Green Street read like anthropological essays - discussions of a curious and disturbing phenomenon so utterly alien to the American way of life that it can only be understood as a quirky custom pursued by distant barbarians.

Typical of this world-view is an article by Mickey Charles on sportsnetwork.com. He starts with an overview of US sports rowdiness: "There are riots in the streets after a championship comes to town in any sport. Looting, burning cars, terrorising women and ripping their clothes off as part of the ceremony seems to have reached obscene levels ..."

But he then concludes that this is no big deal compared to the psycho-antics of those crazy Europeans. "In England ... the fans rushing on to the field don't want to embrace the players. They are carrying knotted ropes used historically for lynching, rocks, beer bottles poised to be thrown and whatever else is not nailed down. Frenzied followers of one team chase down those of the opponents, not to congratulate for a good effort, but to dismember."

The ill-informed double standard would be breathtaking if it weren't so commonplace. OK, so US sports has no equivalent of the Lazio Ultras or the ICF. But try wearing a Dallas jersey into the Eagles' "Nest of Death". Actually, don't. In 1997, Veterans stadium - the Eagles' old stomping ground - had a fully functional court inserted into its basement after a game against San Francisco saw an estimated 60 fights. The judge, who actually heard cases during the game, was seldom less than fully employed.

Things haven't been improved by the Eagles' move to their new stadium. Last year's NFC Divisional play-off game against the Minnesota Vikings saw an immense number of scraps. Vikings fan Joe Liwienski had earlier attended the much publicised "basketbrawl' game in Michigan, where Indiana Pacers basketball players shamefully rucked with Detroit Pistons fans in the stands. "This was 10 times worse," he said.

"The European hooligan thing is really overdone by the US media - it's much worse here," admits Philly sports fan Al Petrillo. "Eagles games are out of control. It's like a rite of passage, you get shit-faced drunk and out of control. The FU's start flying and then the fists start flying. There was this guy, an old guy in Redskins attire, maybe in his sixties. They roughed him up, broke his leg and sent him back to Washington."

Petrillo has also worked security at Philadelphia Flyers ice hockey games where, he claims, violence is just as rife. "Especially in the play-offs. There's fights at every game. There was this guy in a [New Jersey] Devils jersey, just sat there minding his own business. A Flyers fan walked past him then just turned around and just beat the piss out of him."

A fan of English soccer, Petrillo has attended games at Highbury and Stamford Bridge. "I didn't see anything, not a thing - zero fistfights. I even saw the coach with the opposition team arrive - nothing, no banging on the sides, nothing. In the streets before, during, after the game - I felt completely 100% safe and secure."

Meanwhile, back in Philadelphia, the clash with hated rivals Dallas is hyped in the local press - but no mention is made of hooliganism. Which is odd if only because of this tie's history. In 1981, the Eagles faithful bombarded the visiting Dallas team with snowballs - some of which allegedly contained batteries. Ex-Philadelphia mayor and current Pennsylvania State governor (and fanatical Eagles fan) Ed Rendell is widely believed to have thrown the (battery-free) snowball that smacked the Dallas coach in the head - a story that Rendell has always denied but which has done nothing to damage his electability. In 1968, Eagles fans even pelted Santa Claus with snowballs - an incident that is invariably quoted when out-of-towners try to paint Philadelphia as the NFL's equivalent of Millwall. Which, of course, they frequently do.

"The stadium is beyond civilisation," a Vikings fan told a local paper, before going on to compare the Eagles fans to the werewolves in the movie Wolfen. The Atlanta Falcons coach advised fans to dress only in green, otherwise "they'll get the shit beat out of them. They might be throwing batteries at us. They might be dumping dog shit on us," he told reporters. "It's going to be awesome".

"I have never seen a more classless, vulgar, belligerent group of jack-asses in my entire life," wrote Dolphins fan Brian Fien after 20,000 "screaming green morons" visited Miami. The reputation of the Eagles fans is so bad that, when they failed to boo a little blind boy with cerebral palsy when he faltered while singing the national anthem during a brutal snowstorm, they were congratulated by ESPN.com.

"We thrive on the fact that everybody can't stand us," Eagles fan Shaun Young told Jere Longman. "We're a bunch of filthy, dirty, nasty, drinking bums. In a sense we take pride in that. We don't want you here. We want you to be afraid to come."

Rich Burg, press officer for the Philadelphia Eagles was very concerned by this article. He refused Guardian Unlimited access to the game against the Dallas Cowboys ("we do not provide credentials for media to access our fans inside the stadium") and suggested that we write the article from the car park.

Sour grapes? Maybe. But at an Eagles game in 2002, reporters were dragged out of the stands by security for daring to talk to the fans. Which all suggests that the Eagles press office might be ashamed of fans like Shaun - the guys who pay their wages. Not that they should be. Shaun's not a hooligan. And neither are (most of) his fellow Eagles fanatics. But then neither are most English "soccer" fans. Honest.

Of course, that depends on how you define "hooligan". But sadly there's no national debate about hooliganism in the US press. There's no discussion about the wisdom of selling alcohol inside stadiums or of letting home and away fans sit together. Nobody in US sports seems to even realise that they've got a long-term, deeply rooted and entirely homegrown hooligan problem.

Whenever American football fans riot or ice hockey fans beat the hell out of one another, whenever the supporters of basketball or baseball teams go on a cop-taunting, car-torching, window-smashing victory spree, the violence is invariably treated as a local disturbance or an historical anomaly. And whenever college football fans engage in riotous behaviour that would be considered a national scandal if it happened in Britain (as they frequently do), no one seems terribly inclined to call it hooliganism.

Meanwhile lazy US satirists compare rioting French Islamic youth to soccer hooligans, Bucky the monkey-hating cat in the nationally syndicated Get Fuzzy strip raises a chuckle by dressing up as a Hartlepool FC "English hooligan", and the Simpsons scriptwriters seem unable to mention soccer without inserting a gag about how the sport turns its supporters into mindless thugs.

The truth is that both Bill Buford and Frodo Baggins could have stayed at home to get their slumming hoolie kicks.

Meantime, I think it's time for the pot to shut the f**k up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 21, 2007, 03:56:29 PM
They are right about Millwall though, dont think its actually a place though, is Lewisham the area? My Da lives in West London and said any blacks he knows are shit scared to go near it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 04:28:22 PM
Wow, that article really opened my eyes. I knew there was certain rivalries and what not, which lead to the occasional fight in the stands but didnt think it would be that bad. The worst aspect about it is the complete blind eye or acceptance of it by the media. You certainly dont see it mentioned  on NFLTA or on NFL.com

Funnily enough "fan apprechiation day" is coming up in the NFL, and to my understanding is a day where fans get a load of free stuff and get to meet players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 21, 2007, 04:41:48 PM
They are right about Millwall though, dont think its actually a place though, is Lewisham the area? My Da lives in West London and said any blacks he knows are shit scared to go near it.

Your right Balbao Millwalls football ground is in lewisham my dad used to live there 30 odd years ago along with a lot of irish ,went back for a funeral 2 years ago and couldn't get over the pace rough is not the word. Lewishams most famous son is probably rio ferdinand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 22, 2007, 06:43:26 PM
Favre is owning the Lions atm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 22, 2007, 09:09:01 PM
Yeah, its like their scoring on every drive.

New team being set up in Roscrea Co. Tipp for the Irish League. currently playing 8 a side.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 22, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
Green bay 10-1. Favre interviewed:

Interviewer: "Ok Brett, admit now on national TV that greenbay at 10-1 are a good team"

Favre: 'We're not a bad team"


Man=Legend. I never have as much fun watching football as I do when he is playing and on form.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2007, 11:09:50 PM
caught the tail end of a piece on the news about a crash involving family members of a football player (i think) today. anyone got any more on that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 23, 2007, 10:36:34 AM
Green bay 10-1. Favre interviewed:

Interviewer: "Ok Brett, admit now on national TV that greenbay at 10-1 are a good team"

Favre: 'We're not a bad team"


Man=Legend. I never have as much fun watching football as I do when he is playing and on form.

Yeah, he's a real down home, hilly billy, (if you saw and heard him after he broke Dan Marinos record, "Put 'er in the 'ol vice"!!!) he's a great character. When he was asked last night after the game to sum up his 300+ passing performance; "I throw it, they catch it, its nothing spectacular" was how he put it bluntly. he's just playing with a certain abandon, it seems to have just clicked for him.  Its most likey his last season and talk about going out in a blaze of glory.


but this packers team are more than just about him, they have young lads who are playing great right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on November 26, 2007, 11:04:16 PM
Sean Taylor of Washington Redskins in a coma after being shot in his home last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 04:41:51 AM
The Steelers win 3-0 over the Miami Dolphins tonight in the MNF game

Yes folks 3 nothing - on a field goal scored with just 20 seconds to go in the game

How did I watch that crap?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on November 27, 2007, 04:49:40 AM
The Steelers win 3-0 over the Miami Dolphins tonight in the MNF game

Yes folks 3 nothing - on a field goal scored with just 20 seconds to go in the game

How did I watch that crap?

I pity you. The Dolphins are just awful. They need a new QB so bad.

Has there ever been a 0-0 game (before overtime) in the NFL? It was looking mighty close tonight!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 05:14:34 AM
they said there was a 0-0 game in 1942 (there was no overtime in those days though)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 27, 2007, 06:45:10 AM
Miamis quarterback actually had the better of it tonight. Infact Miami played pretty well until I fell asleep (2 mins left in the game). The bookmakers had the under in this game at 38 points combined between both teams I(as sports centre reported the torrential rain the under dropped from 42-38 (still a generous points total for a game played in those conditions) - with 9-1 against the dolphins to win (which I thought they could almost do as the game progressed)! 9-1 in a two horse race in a professional sports game appears to be very generous odds so I asked this old guy why it was so high between two professional teams. He said " You like soccer? Its like San Jose State going to play scotland" :o I didnt quite know what to say to that.
Its been almost 32 years since a team went the entire season without winning a game - miami now sit at 0-11.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on November 27, 2007, 10:01:01 AM
LT back on form gates notching up scores Rivers coming godd (all be it in 1 game) can the chargers put the start of the season behind them and challenge??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 27, 2007, 10:04:59 AM
The Steelers win 3-0 over the Miami Dolphins tonight in the MNF game

Yes folks 3 nothing - on a field goal scored with just 20 seconds to go in the game

How did I watch that crap?

I actually thought it was so bad that it was watchable just to see what happened next. Late in the 4th quarter neither QB had passed for 100 yards and the commentator said something like Brady gets 100 yards every two plays.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2007, 10:56:29 AM
Changing tack for a second, the weirdest NCAA Football regular season in years reaches a climax next week when the Bowl Selections are announced.  While this season has shown anything can happen, it's fairly obvious that if new numbers 1 and 2, Missouri and West Virginia, both win on Saturday, they'll be ranked #1 and #2 and thus play the BCS Championship Game.

The 'Bowl Season' is always great craic around Christmas time, and generally most teams with a winning record get invited to one or other of the many bowl games. The big ones are the BCS Bowls, ie the Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl, along with the new 'BCS Championship Game'. (Up until 2006 the BCS game doubled up as one of the 4 'BCS bowls', rotating around each of them.) The Bowl games are associated with a particular place, Rose Bowl = Pasedena, Fiesta = Arizona, Sugar = New Orleans Orange = Miami. The BCS Game gets played on one of those 4 sites about a week after the Bowl Game has been played there, and rotates among the sites.

Most bowls have an arrangement with the conferences that their 1st or second or third or whatever placed team will play in their bowl game, ASSUMING they do not make one of the BCS bowls, or the BCS game itself.

The current BCS top 10 rankings are :

1 Missouri 1 2779 .9751 2 1454 .9693 25 23 24 25 25 25 .990 1 .9781 4
2 West Virginia 2 2753 .9660 1 1467 .9780 24 25 25 24 24 24 .970 2 .9713 3
3 Ohio State 3 2638 .9256 3 1383 .9220 23 24 23 22 21 23 .910 3 .9192 5
4 Georgia 4 2368 .8309 4 1232 .8213 21 17 22 23 20 20 .830 5 .8274 7
5 Kansas 6 2170 .7614 T-5 1161 .7740 22 22 16 19 23 21 .840 4 .7918 2
6 Virginia Tech 7 2164 .7593 T-5 1161 .7740 17 19 19 21 22 22 .810 6 .7811 8
7 LSU 5 2215 .7772 7 1134 .7560 20 21 21 20 18 18 .790 7 .7744 1
8 USC 9 2059 .7225 9 1073 .7153 18 20 13 14 16 16 .640 T-10 .6926 11
9 Oklahoma 8 2132 .7481 8 1126 .7507 14 10 15 13 13 17 .550 12 .6829 10
10 Florida 11 1757 .6165 11 898 .5987 15 15 18 17 17 14 .640 T-10 .6184 12

The Bowl Games for 2007 are (Some teams are already known due to their positions in their conferences etc)

San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia
Mountain West vs. Navy  San Diego  Dec. 20, 9 p.m.  ESPN HD  

R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl
Sun Belt No. 1 vs. Memphis  New Orleans  Dec. 21, 8 p.m.  ESPN2 HD  

Papajohns.com Bowl
Southern Miss vs. Big East No. 5  Birmingham, Ala.  Dec. 22, 1 p.m.  ESPN2 HD  


New Mexico
WAC vs. Mountain West  Albuquerque, N.M.  Dec. 22, 4:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Pioneer Las Vegas
Pac-10 No. 4/5 vs. Mountain West No. 1  Las Vegas  Dec. 22, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Sheraton Hawaii
WAC vs. C-USA  Honolulu  Dec. 23, 8 p.m.  ESPN  

Motor City
Big Ten No. 7 vs. MAC No. 1/2  Detroit  Dec. 26, 7:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Pacific Life Holiday
Pac-10 No. 2 vs. Big 12 No. 3  San Diego  Dec. 27, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Texas
Big 12 No. 8 vs. Houston  Houston  Dec. 28, 8 p.m.  NFL Network  

Champs Sports
ACC No. 4 vs. Big Ten No. 4/5  Orlando, Fla.  Dec. 28, 5 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Emerald
Pac-10 No. 4 vs. ACC No. 5/6/7  San Francisco  Dec. 28, 8:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Meineke Car Care
Big East No. 3 vs. ACC No. 5/6/7  Charlotte, N.C.  Dec. 29, 1 p.m.  ESPN HD  

AutoZone Liberty
C-USA No. 1 vs. SEC No. 6/7  Memphis, Tenn.  Dec. 29, 4:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Valero Alamo
Big Ten No. 4/5 vs. Big 12 No. 4/5  San Antonio  Dec. 29, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  

PetroSun Independence
SEC No. 8 vs. Big 12 No. 7  Shreveport, La.  Dec. 30, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Bell Helicopter Armed Forces
Mountain West vs. Pac-10 No. 6  Fort Worth, Texas  Dec. 31, 12:30 p.m.  ESPN  

Roady's Humanitarian
WAC vs. ACC No. 8  Boise, Idaho  Dec. 31, 2 p.m.  ESPN2  

Brut Sun
Pac-10 No. 3 vs. Big 12/Big East  El Paso, Texas  Dec. 31, 2 p.m.  CBS  

Gaylord Hotels Music City
ACC No. 5/6/7 vs. SEC No. 6/7  Nashville, Tenn.  Dec. 31, 4 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Chick-fil-A
ACC No. 2 vs. SEC No. 5  Atlanta  Dec. 31, 7:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Insight
Big 12 No. 6 vs. Big Ten No. 6  Tempe, Ariz.  Dec. 31, 6 p.m.  NFL Network  

Outback
Big Ten No. 3 vs. SEC No. 3/4  Tampa, Fla.  Jan. 1, 2008, 11 a.m.  ESPN HD  

AT&T Cotton
Big 12 No. 2 vs. SEC No. 3/4  Dallas  Jan. 1, 2008, 11:30 a.m.  FOX  

Gator
ACC No. 3 vs. Big 12 No. 4/Big East No. 2  Jacksonville, Fla.  Jan. 1, 2008, 1 p.m.  CBS  

Capital One
Big Ten No. 2 vs. SEC No. 2  Orlando, Fla.  Jan. 1, 2008, 1 p.m.  ABC HD  

Rose Bowl presented by Citi
BCS vs. BCS  Pasadena, Calif.  Jan. 1, 2008, 4:30 p.m.  ABC HD  

Allstate Sugar
BCS vs. BCS  New Orleans  Jan. 1, 2008, 8:30 p.m.  FOX  

Tostitos Fiesta
BCS vs. BCS  Glendale, Ariz.  Jan. 2, 2008, 8 p.m.  FOX  

FedEx Orange
BCS vs. BCS  Miami  Jan. 3, 2008, 8 p.m.  FOX  

International
MAC No. 3 vs. Big East No. 4  Toronto  Jan. 5, 2008, Noon  ESPN2 HD  

GMAC
C-USA No. 2 vs. MAC  Mobile, Ala.  Jan. 6, 2008, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  


Allstate BCS Championship Game
BCS No. 1 vs. BCS No. 2  New Orleans  Jan. 7, 2008, 8 p.m.  FOX  



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2007, 11:39:05 AM
The Steelers win 3-0 over the Miami Dolphins tonight in the MNF game

Yes folks 3 nothing - on a field goal scored with just 20 seconds to go in the game

How did I watch that crap?

After staying up Sunday night to watch the Eagles/Pats I decided not to stay up and watch this as I thought the Steelers would win handy.  Miami have a good chance to get there first victory next weekend as they play the New York Jets who are also shite.

Also sad to report that Sean Taylor died in hospital.  RIP.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
Oh shit!!, damn, i really like Sean Taylor. I cant believe it, he was a class player, ok not the most likeable of people perhaps, he's had his trouble but, thats awful news. He was one of the few really hard hitters in the league. RIP Sean Taylor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
Anyone staying up to watch Greenbay/Dallas Thursday night?  This should be a really good game.

I see Sky are replaying NFL America's game today, how come Total access isnt being shown?  Normally a very good show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on November 27, 2007, 01:02:23 PM
Anyone staying up to watch Greenbay/Dallas Thursday night?  This should be a really good game.

I see Sky are replaying NFL America's game today, how come Total access isnt being shown?  Normally a very good show.

Is "Americas Game" usually repeated, i usually watch it on Saturday morning when i get the chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2007, 01:07:41 PM
Anyone staying up to watch Greenbay/Dallas Thursday night?  This should be a really good game.

I see Sky are replaying NFL America's game today, how come Total access isnt being shown?  Normally a very good show.

Is "Americas Game" usually repeated, i usually watch it on Saturday morning when i get the chance.

I dint think its usually repeated, not at this time during the day.  Normally at this time they show Total Access which brings you news from around the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 03:49:43 PM
Oh shit!!, damn, i really like Sean Taylor. I cant believe it, he was a class player, ok not the most likeable of people perhaps, he's had his trouble but, thats awful news. He was one of the few really hard hitters in the league. RIP Sean Taylor.

Yeah - I liked Taylor as a player well - and apparently he was turning his life around - getting away from the whole "thug image"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 27, 2007, 03:55:42 PM
All over ESPN here this morning. I guess he was working hard - but how can you have an intruder in your house 8 days ago leaving a machete on your bed - and still be there without better security when someone comes in and shoots you? Terrible shame he didnt take better measures as I dont think it was just some random incident that has led to his death.
He was some player alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2007, 03:57:15 PM
i think Taylors death might have been the reason for Total Access being cancelled. But im only speculating.

Americas game is great, although, why is it on at the ungodly hour of 9am on a saturday. the Steelers from the 70's were great. A team full of characters, but with great talent. Terry Bradshaw, Mean Joe, Jack Lambert, Lynn Swann John Stallworth and Larry Zonga are all legends, all residing in Canton forever.

you can bet your life ill be watching Cowboys Vs Packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 04:09:41 PM
Quote
International
MAC No. 3 vs. Big East No. 4  Toronto  Jan. 5, 2008, Noon  ESPN2 HD 

I'll be heading to that

Cincinnati vs Western Michigan was a great game last year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 28, 2007, 02:38:02 AM
Cowboys vs Packer Predictions

Cowboys 34  Packers 27

Romo 235yds passing 2 tds
Favre 287yds passing 2 tds 1int

Barber 116 yds rushing 2 tds
Grant  78 yds rushing 1 td

TO      103 yds rec 1 td
Witten 76 yds rec 1 td
Driver   119 yds rec 1td
Jennungs  72 rec yds 1td

Dallas D 1td 4 turnovers
GB    D        2 turnovers

PS don't like either team


 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 30, 2007, 01:19:27 AM
Anyone up watching this now.  Just started.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 30, 2007, 01:29:57 AM
Well I wont be f**king watching it as its only available on the NFL network station. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on November 30, 2007, 01:37:55 AM
Well I wont be f**king watching it as its only available on the NFL network station. >:( >:( >:(
There is a live stream available at nfl.com
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on November 30, 2007, 01:43:54 AM
Well I wont be f**king watching it as its only available on the NFL network station. >:( >:( >:(
There is a live stream available at nfl.com
edited to add: Isn't really live coverage of the game, just talking in the studio and occasional highlights from the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 30, 2007, 02:00:24 AM
Favre threw an awful interception.

Touchdown for the Cowboys. They lead 13-3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 30, 2007, 02:04:50 AM
Rushing touchdown for Grant.  13-10 now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 30, 2007, 04:36:48 AM
My picks were not too far off, actually a great game tonite.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2007, 09:09:11 AM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 30, 2007, 01:11:00 PM
TO's celebrations are always good.  Very good game, managed to stay fully awake for once.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2007, 05:36:58 PM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 30, 2007, 05:58:47 PM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker

Can't say I'm a big fan of him either. Obviously he's a real talent but the man is in love with himself. I notice Nick Halling on Sky can't stand him.

Sometimes I can take to cocky players in any sport but TO isn't one of them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on November 30, 2007, 09:32:04 PM
One thing i will say about TO is he can back it up, a lot of fellas that have done very little still mouth the way he does.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 30, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker

Can't say I'm a big fan of him either. Obviously he's a real talent but the man is in love with himself. I notice Nick Halling on Sky can't stand him.

Sometimes I can take to cocky players in any sport but TO isn't one of them.
Its not so much the cockiness as the downright selfishness and divisivness he showed during the end of his time at phillidelphia.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 01, 2007, 08:15:13 AM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker

Can't say I'm a big fan of him either. Obviously he's a real talent but the man is in love with himself. I notice Nick Halling on Sky can't stand him.

Sometimes I can take to cocky players in any sport but TO isn't one of them.
Its not so much the cockiness as the downright selfishness and divisivness he showed during the end of his time at phillidelphia.

It was interesting that Ian Allen, the Sky Sports analyst and former Eagle said quite a few of the Eagles were saying the same things that TO was about Mc Nabb but were not as outspoken as him so never said anything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 01, 2007, 10:28:13 PM
One of the fellas charged with the murder of Sean Taylor used to cut his grass and do chores for him !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 01, 2007, 11:35:59 PM
Quick tip for tonites game Oklahoma  vs Missouri    Take Oklahoma giving up 3 pts  game is being played in Texas.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 02, 2007, 09:14:12 PM
some end to the washington/buffalo game, buffalo clinched with a 36 yard field goal in the dying seconds. after first nailing a 51 yard field goal buffalo had to retake after washington called a time out. on the retake washington called another time out but were penalised 15 yards for unsporting conduct for trying to freeze the kicker with consecutive time outs, buffalo easily make the 36 yarder to win 17-16. emotional day in washington with the tribute to sean taylor with the skins starting with only 10 players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 02, 2007, 09:29:43 PM
Magickingdom, you beat me to it.

Joe Gibbs , a cranky old fart, showed some class by sending 10 players out on the field for the defense and leaving Taylors spot open.

But then the old age creeps back into his head and calls back to back time outs to give Buffalo an easier field goal(weather conditions)

Gibbs is like one of those seniors you see driving around and you wonder how the hell can that happen.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on December 03, 2007, 01:56:54 AM
What were the Siants at.  If ever a team snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  Id say the Bucs couldnt believe their luck.

Bengals @ Steelers on now.  Another awful wet day.  Bengals lead 7-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 03, 2007, 04:25:25 AM
Complete NCAA FOTBALL Bowl Listings

www.collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=673438

(wish I knew how to cut and paste :-[)

Looks like some very good games and the Bookies licking their chops.

Best bets look like Oklahoma, Boise State, South Florida, Illinois and Rutgers.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 03, 2007, 06:38:22 PM
I'll be at that Rutgers Bowl game  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 03, 2007, 08:30:17 PM
Patriots -19 for this evenings game. -13 at half time. Might have to put a bit on this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 03, 2007, 10:25:00 PM
You heard it here first, Steelers to beat Pats next week......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 01:20:51 AM
Took the pats at -18.5. Hopefully the wind isnt too much of a factor. Banking on a couple of things to hold up for the bet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 01:33:21 AM
You think that'll come through puckoon? very doubtful, steelers have one of the best defences in the league
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 01:38:24 AM
The ravens, this evenings game. Not next weeks game.
That said, Im banking on two streaks tonight, the ravens losing 6 straight and not putting many points on the board, and the pats running it up. Belichick hates the ravens coach, I dont think he will take the foot off the brake, plus the pats didnt play well last week - he will have been riding them hard this week in practice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 01:44:23 AM
Ah was wonderin why the spread was so much, all the talk about the steelers game forgot about this one. Aye, randy also due a big one after being quiet the last day. Brady should get better protection as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 01:52:51 AM
Ravens defense holds the patriots up in the red zone, field goal should make it 3-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 01:53:58 AM
How did he drop that?Brady did well to keep it alive
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 02:03:46 AM
This is what I was afraid of ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 04, 2007, 02:09:17 AM
Ray Lewis has the D all pumped up, Puckoon does not look good in the early minutes.

Balt now in the red zone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 02:13:52 AM
I think the pats will come good in the second half. I really thought about taking the ravens at +12 for the first half. I probably should have. I still think the pats will boss it later in the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 02:15:09 AM
Ravens 7, Pats 3
You're sweatin puck ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 02:18:01 AM
Should be noted that I couldnt win an arguement, never mind a bet. :D

Fecking ravens are making all the moves here. Typical of my luck! :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 03:03:25 AM
big play there. interception by ravens and then a fumble on the return.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 03:08:48 AM
Should be a cracking second half of football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 03:33:19 AM
Anyone wanna buy a 20$ bet on the patriots to win by 19 for a dollar?! :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on December 04, 2007, 03:45:01 AM
 Fairly dangereous taking those big spreads on the likes of the Pats at this stage of the season,
i think they've shown enough of their offensive hand all year, so from this point on i'd say they'll
hold their cards close to their chest and be happy with home field advantage in the play offs and no more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 04, 2007, 04:49:06 AM
The Pats have someone watching over them. They should hae lost, another good game though.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 04:52:21 AM
Such drama, such luck - Patriots have really ridden their luck in this one. Edge of the seat final drive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 04, 2007, 09:13:19 AM
I wonder did the Pats peak too early in the year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 04, 2007, 12:29:54 PM
It wouldnt do them any harm to lose a game, go into their shell for a few games so to speak and then come out all guns blazing for the play-offs. But personally i'd rather they didnt, and someone knocked them off their high horse in the knock-out stages. Falcons have dropped to the same record of the Rams, (3-9) will hopefully pick up a decent QB in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on December 04, 2007, 04:36:09 PM
Phew, I say, I say.... PHEW  ;D

The better they get, the luckier they get. Baltimore brought the house last night... Patriots got off the mat (Maybe with the aid of a long count from the refs) and smashed the Ravens right back in the mouth.  Sign of a good team.. They willl have another close one against the steelers next week, their running game is even better.

Anything to shut the '72 Dolphins up.. With 3 superbowls, TB deserves to have his name etched on the greatest team OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 05, 2007, 10:54:25 AM
i see that favre got the sports illustrated sportsperson of the year award
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
In a season when he’s broken the records for most wins by a QB and most touchdown passes by a QB – and will likely pass Dan Marino’s passing yard record sometime in the next 2 games – it’s kinda fitting. It’s like he’s been rolling  back this years this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 02:21:14 PM
any Dolphin fans getting this for Christmas?

visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 05, 2007, 02:21:44 PM
I have a feeling he is going to finish this season with a 3/4 interception game, hope im wrong but there is always that possibility.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 05, 2007, 02:25:55 PM
There's always that possibility with Favre, and I think that if the Pack have to head to Dallas for a playoff game, that could well be the outcome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 05, 2007, 04:09:26 PM
any Dolphin fans getting this for Christmas?

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Now that is funny, must send it to my neighbour he is a season ticket holder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on December 05, 2007, 05:53:58 PM
Dan Marino Hosts Hour-Long HBO Special Celebrating Favre's Interceptions (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/dan_marino_hosts_hour_long_hbo)

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NEW YORK—Dan Marino, the former Dolphins quarterback, former multiple NFL all-time record holder, and current co-host of HBO's Inside The NFL, was the host, producer, and head writer of the hour-long HBO special Mr. 278, which aired Monday and commemorates Brett Favre breaking the all-time record for interceptions.

"Join me in saluting Brett Favre for breaking the all-time interception record of 277 set by George Blanda—truly a milestone for the ages," Marino intoned during the opening montage, which featured Favre throwing some of his most memorable picks. "Some say records were made to be broken—personally, I've never believed that—but in any case the career interception mark was believed to be unreachable. It takes a player with an unusual combination of not knowing when to retire, not knowing when to stop trying to rack up the completions, and not knowing when to stop trying to throw touchdowns. And it seems that lucky player is everyone's big hero quarterback, Brett Favre."

"I once held all the major records, but I never came close on interceptions," Marino added. "Also, I want to make it clear that I still have the records for passing yards in a season and in a career, but I have to hand it to Brett: He is now the interception record holder. Congratulations there, buddy."

Marino began work on Mr. 278 late in the 2006 season, when it became apparent that Favre was on pace to break Blanda's interception record, as well as Marino's for touchdown passes, sometime in the 2007 season. When HBO producers balked at the idea of expanding their original planned 30-second supporting segment, Marino offered to work the show without pay and secured advertising commitments from NutriSystem, Papa John's Pizza, and Isotoner gloves.

"I played in the NFL for many good years, which is why I set records for attempts, completions, and total seasons with 3,000 yards passing," Marino's voice can be heard to say as an on-screen graphic displayed the dozens of defensive players who had intercepted a Favre pass. "I even set a record for consecutive 3,000-yard seasons. Brett Favre has broken all of those, largely since he decided not to retire yet. And now, he has one of the most memorable records of all: interceptions."

Marino then interviewed more than 30 current and former NFL players who had participated in Favre's record interception streak, including Brain Urlacher, Deion Sanders, Troy Vincent, and John Lynch. Marino devoted special attention to Sean Taylor, who was on the receiving end of Favre's record-breaking 278th interception, an ill-advised downfield sideline attempt thrown off the back foot, which Taylor neatly high-pointed.

Marino also interviewed players who had intercepted Favre passes in college, during Favre's high school career in Mississippi, and during Packers training camp. In one poignant segment, Marino tracked down advertising copywriter Leroy Holsapple, the man who may have first intercepted Favre when, as an 8-year-old, he picked off a wild toss across the middle of the field during a 1979 Pop Warner game.

"We've seen a lot of interceptions tonight," Marino said in conclusion as another painstakingly edited Favre interception montage, the ninth and last in the program, played behind him. "Were all of them were his fault? Maybe not—it's not for us to say. Am I jealous of his record? Maybe. I never considered myself to be all that concerned with statistics, and with my plus-168 TD-to-interception record, I'll never know what it's like to be "Mr. 278," the all-time interception king. Because the man who holds that record, perhaps forever, is Brett Favre."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 06:18:39 PM
hahaha - quality
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on December 05, 2007, 06:27:40 PM
Can't beat a a bit of Onion
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 06:39:13 PM
Can't beat a a bit of Onion

Red onion >>>>>>> any other onion
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 07, 2007, 12:35:55 AM
You can watch the Bears vs Redskins online tonite.

Go to    www.nfl.com/live

It Starts 8:15 ET

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 08, 2007, 11:03:49 AM
If I get out the door tomorrow, this is my parlay for sundays games:

Seahawks-7 at home to the cardinals
Giants +2.5 away to the eagles
Broncos-7 at home to the chiefs

EDIT: Got greedy and threw the cowboys-11 in there too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 09, 2007, 10:58:38 PM
Looks like my greed got the better of me.

All my bets covered except dallas. :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 10, 2007, 12:38:07 AM
I put down 200.00 on the Vikes and Seahawks (parlay)  nice 560.00 return.


What about Tom Brady's performace today?  The man has ice water running through him. League MVP.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 10, 2007, 02:04:33 AM
200 a little too much for me, just did a 50$ 4 team parlay, which stood to earn 550$, had the cowboys not been such arseholes. What made it worse was the fact that it was the first game of the ticket that let me down, I didnt even get a good rush out of it, and I HATE the cowboys.

Such is gambling!

Nice bet DH, where are you based?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on December 10, 2007, 08:29:01 AM
Another unbelievable performance by the Pats. Whether or not Brady is the greatest QB ever, might still be open for debate but I think the tag of greatest team ever is now decided.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 10, 2007, 09:29:28 AM
Hi All,

Back to College Bowls for a moment, I've created a group in Yahoo Sports (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl)) to pick the College Bowl Games this Christmas. Just log in and 'join a group' the league ID is 22725 Password is sundevils.

Cheers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 10, 2007, 04:16:35 PM
Sammy, calm down, they're not there yet (but they are showing all the signs) unbeaten season required for greatest team ever. Afc championship game will be the crunch of the season. Interesting to see how the colts respond to their beatin earlier in the season.

And how good was that trick play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 10, 2007, 04:26:41 PM
Vick gets sentenced to 23 months.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3148549
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2007, 04:27:25 PM
Would be interseting alright if the Pats were to go the regular season 16-0 (which they almost certainly will now) and yet slip up somewhere in the playoffs or in the Superbowl itself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 10, 2007, 05:13:32 PM
I heard it will be the biggest points spread ever when the Patriots play the Dolphins in a couple of weeks.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 10, 2007, 09:22:50 PM
200 a little too much for me, just did a 50$ 4 team parlay, which stood to earn 550$, had the cowboys not been such arseholes. What made it worse was the fact that it was the first game of the ticket that let me down, I didnt even get a good rush out of it, and I HATE the cowboys.

Such is gambling!

Nice bet DH, where are you based?

I am in Chicago. I was already up 130 on a 50 - 2 team parlay so the most I would loose would have been 70. Now my nephews will get some nice christmas presents along with their Uncle ;).


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 11, 2007, 12:47:33 AM
Hi All,

Back to College Bowls for a moment, I've created a group in Yahoo Sports (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl)) to pick the College Bowl Games this Christmas. Just log in and 'join a group' the league ID is 22725 Password is sundevils.

Cheers

Do you need to have a yahoo account to join this? Id like to give it a go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 11, 2007, 01:35:15 AM
I have brady in fantasy football, him and the packer defence have me in the playoffs and this league was 200.00 to get in.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 12, 2007, 11:59:16 AM
f**k the Cowboys, really wanted the Lions to have a break through but they've regressed in the last 6 weeks. need some O-line men. Kitna's a good QB and Calvin Johnson is a great WR, just need to give JK some more time.

Still Cowboys are a great team, has to be said. If they're down by less than a TD with 2 mins on the clock Romo is the man to get it done. Nothing phases him. Even with TO having a quiet game, Jason Whitten is well able to pick up the load. And Jones at RB is well able to move it on the ground.

As for the Pats, they're rigt now up there with the 70's Steelers, 80's SF49ers and 90's Cowboys. But if they go undefeated to a SB win, yes they will be the best ever.

Also Bobby Petrino quit the Falcons last night. Didnt even see out his first season in the NFL. They're are well and truely fucked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 12, 2007, 12:03:04 PM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker

Can't say I'm a big fan of him either. Obviously he's a real talent but the man is in love with himself. I notice Nick Halling on Sky can't stand him.

Sometimes I can take to cocky players in any sport but TO isn't one of them.
Its not so much the cockiness as the downright selfishness and divisivness he showed during the end of his time at phillidelphia.

It was interesting that Ian Allen, the Sky Sports analyst and former Eagle said quite a few of the Eagles were saying the same things that TO was about Mc Nabb but were not as outspoken as him so never said anything.

Just wondering when did TO join Dallas and what did he say about Mc Nabb?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 12, 2007, 01:54:52 PM
The Pats are certainly a great team but i have to say there are some god awful teams in the NFL at the minute, the Pats basically had 6 gimmes this year, Dolphins, Jets & Bills within their own division. I have a sneaky feeling Dallas would have a good chance against them in the Superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2007, 02:37:26 PM
Just wondering when did TO join Dallas and what did he say about Mc Nabb?

He signed with Dallas in March 2006


The McNabb thing

"That afternoon Owens made a number of controversial statements during an interview with Graham Bensinger for ESPN. In the interview, Owens voiced his frustrations of the Eagles not recognizing his 100th career TD. He referred to the Eagles as a classless organization for the way they behaved. The Eagles have since stated that the Club does not recognize individual achievements.

When asked whether or not he agreed with a comment made by ESPN analyst and good friend Michael Irvin, Owens agreed to the statement, saying that he thought the Eagles would be undefeated if Brett Favre were on the team instead of Donovan McNabb. Owens went on to expand on the point, calling Brett Favre a warrior. Many people took offense at this, since it appeared as though Owens was claiming that McNabb, who was playing with a sports hernia among other injuries, was not a warrior. This interview effectively ended Owens' career in Philadelphia."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 12, 2007, 10:57:15 PM
Going to post this weeks pro football spreads as Im at home and bored as all hell. Feel free to voice your favouite picks.

Thursday Dec 13
Denver broncos (-1.5) away to the houston texans  - Total: 46


Saturday Dec 15
Cincinnati Bengals (-8.5) away to the San Fran 49ers Total: 43


Sunday Dec 16

Arizona Cardinals away to new orleans Saints (-4)   Total 47

Atlanta Falcons away to Tampa Bay Bucs (-12)      Total 39

Baltimore Ravens (-3.5) away to Miami Dolphins      Total 37.5

Buffalo Bills away to Cleveland Browns (-5.5)          Total 46

Green Bay Packers (-9.5) away to St Louis Rams     Total 44.5

Jacksonville Jaguars away to Pittsburgh Steelers (-4) Total 39.5

New York Jets away to New England Pats (-24)

Seattle Seahawks (-7) away to Carolina Panthers     Total 38

Tennesee Titans (-4) away to Kansas City Chiefs      Total 35

Indianapolis Colts (-10.5) away to Oakland Raiders      Total 45

Detroit Lions away to San Diego Chargers (-11)         Total 45.5

Phillidelphia Eagles away to Dallas Cowboys (-10.5)     Total 48.5

Washington Redskins away to New York Giants (-5)    Total 40.5



Monday Dec 17

Chicago Bears away to Minnesota Vikings (-9)              Total 44.5


So far I like the steelers, the seahawks, the titans and I have a feeling that the Ravens will cover too.





Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 13, 2007, 02:32:45 AM
ESPN showing an hourlong special of their sportscentre commercials - this is a good one

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHl-WrefNE (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHl-WrefNE)


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=nzNE5oV-xjg&feature=related (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=nzNE5oV-xjg&feature=related)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 13, 2007, 04:37:42 AM
Get your money on the Jets. Surely even they can beat a 24 point spread!

Or maybe not...

I hope they have new signals this time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 05:05:47 AM
if they get within 40 - I'll be surprised
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 13, 2007, 05:36:29 AM
I guess I wouldnt be surprised if they were beaten by a basketball score, but would you put money on it? Starting off 24 points behind?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 13, 2007, 06:14:01 AM
I am taking Balt and Saints on a two team parlay    (200=520   100=260   50=130 ) 200 here


Packers and the over for 100

net profit  780 ;)

fingers crossed.
 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 03:34:46 PM
There's a huge day in store today - as the report into steroid use in baseball is revealed.

The author if the report should be familiar to all of us - Senator George Mitchell

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 13, 2007, 03:45:58 PM
There's a huge day in store today - as the report into steroid use in baseball is revealed.

The author if the report should be familiar to all of us - Senator George Mitchell

Already speculation about who will be named has started.

Source says information on Clemens will be in Mitchell's report (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153129)

A former New York Yankee strength trainer says information he supplied to the George Mitchell investigation regarding supplying Roger Clemens with steroids is included in the Mitchell report...
Also, The Bergen (N.J.) Record, citing a baseball industry official, says "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the Mitchell report.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 13, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
I will be going to the Dolphins game Sunday, I am surprised the spread is only 3.5 thought the Ravens would be favoured by more.
Bloody Mary at 9am to start the day then a bit of tailgating,  hopefully we will celebrating our first victory with a cigar and whiskey when we get home. Forecast is for 80 Degrees with a chance of rain, should be a good days crack. If we don't win this week we will just have to beat the Patriots in New England the following week (guessing the spread will be close to 40 for that one) ...some chance. The Bengals the last week might be our only chance for a win. Who would ever have thought that the Dolphins could go 0 and 16 times have changed down here bring back Marino.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 05:18:33 PM
It's starting to leak out. Here's the one that's circulating now in advance of the release of the Mitchell Report

"Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron
Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante
Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron,
Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson
Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan
Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez,
Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay
Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren
Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire,
Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose
Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Pior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols,
Brian Roberts,Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott
Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian
Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt
Williams and Kerry Wood."


Edit: Adding link to WNBC story
http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 13, 2007, 05:22:11 PM
Who took that free Kick that you have as an avatar GH sweet strike
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 05:30:07 PM
Dwayne DeRosario - it was MLS Goal of the Year in 2005 I think

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-z6iPk_9vM

the commentary  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on December 13, 2007, 06:26:53 PM
 :D :D :D

"nothing fancy"!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on December 13, 2007, 06:39:25 PM
Dwayne DeRosario - it was MLS Goal of the Year in 2005 I think

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-z6iPk_9vM

the commentary  :D :D :D :D


OH HOLY SMOKES.... :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on December 13, 2007, 06:44:48 PM
He is some man for the spectacular goals

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0f6angcM0&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rCT5ak8D8w0&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VLUvAwTDK1g&feature=related
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 13, 2007, 07:48:17 PM
The Mitchell Report is available at ESPN and other US news sites.

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 07:51:35 PM
Pujols ain't on the list

Names start at Page 179 if you want to know
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 13, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
The list

Marvin Benard, Barry Bonds, Bobby Estalella, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Benito Santiago, Gary Sheffield, Randy Velarde, Lenny Dykstra, David Segui,
Larry Bigbie, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Tim Laker, Josias Manzanillo, Todd Hundley, Mark Carreon, Hal Morris, Matt Franco, Rondell White,
Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Jason Grimsley, Gregg Zaun, David Justice, F.P. Santangelo, Glenallen Hill, Mo Vaughn, Denny Neagle,
Ryan Franklin, Chris Donnels, Todd Williams, Phil Hiatt, Todd Pratt, Kevin Young, Mike Lansing, Cody McKay, Kent Mercker, Adam Piatt,
Miguel Tejada, Jason Christiansen, Mike Stanton, Stephen Randolph, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Paul Lo Duca, Adam Riggs, Bart Miadich, Fernando Vina, Kevin Brown,
Eric Gagni, Mike Bell, Matt Herges, Gary Bennett, Jr., Jim Parque, Brendan Donnelly, Chad Allen, Jeff Williams, Howie Clark, Exavier "Nook" Logan,
Daniel Naulty, Rick Ankiel, David Bell, Paul Byrd, Jose Canseco, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Jose Guillen, Jerry Hairston, Jr.,
Darren Holmes, Gary Matthews, Jr., John Rocker, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, Steve Woodard
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 13, 2007, 09:17:12 PM
Get your money on the Jets. Surely even they can beat a 24 point spread!

Or maybe not...

I hope they have new signals this time.

the jets are bad but their not that bad, they have to be worth a punt. i was in ny the past two weeks and the jets and patriots were playing the same time last sunday. we were eating in a bar and everyone was watching the patriot game and ignoring the jet game!! also see some of the jets fans are still causing trouble at the games despite all the efforts to get them to cop on. on the boxing front ricky hattons supporters gave the us national anthem the boos which did not go down to well in the pub i watched it in..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 14, 2007, 02:17:14 AM
Any American Sports worth seeing in Florida over the Christmas holidays?
Where in Florida

College football bowl games

Champs Sports: Boston College vs. Michigan State    Orlando, Fla.    Dec. 28, 5 p.m.
Capital One: Michigan vs. Florida    Orlando, Fla.    Jan. 1, 2008, 1 p.m.
FedEx Orange: Virginia Tech vs. Kansas    Miami    Jan. 3, 2008, 8 p.m.

NFL: Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Miami
NHL: Tampa Bay , Florida (Miami)
NBA: Orlando, Miami
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 14, 2007, 06:34:13 PM
Any American Sports worth seeing in Florida over the Christmas holidays?

Five times, when will you be in Florida and where will you be staying?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 14, 2007, 07:48:59 PM
We will be staying in Port Charlotte from 20th to 30th. Its an hour and a half from Tampa.

Probably a little far from Orlando or Miami.

Your only hope then would be Tampa Bay Lightning (ice hockey, cue heganboy's protestations that it is not a real sport :) )

Thu, Dec 20    Toronto    7:30 PM
Sat, Dec 22    Carolina    7:30 PM
Thu, Dec 27    Montreal    7:30 PM
Sat, Dec 29    Philadelphia    1:00 PM

or

Tampa Bay Buccaneers , American Football if you are around on the Sunday

SUN, DEC 30 Carolina at Tampa Bay    1:00 PM
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 14, 2007, 08:04:19 PM
We will be staying in Port Charlotte from 20th to 30th. Its an hour and a half from Tampa.

Probably a little far from Orlando or Miami.

Your only hope then would be Tampa Bay Lightning (ice hockey, cue heganboy's protestations that it is not a real sport :) )

Thu, Dec 20    Toronto    7:30 PM
Sat, Dec 22    Carolina    7:30 PM
Thu, Dec 27    Montreal    7:30 PM
Sat, Dec 29    Philadelphia    1:00 PM

or

Tampa Bay Buccaneers , American Football if you are around on the Sunday

SUN, DEC 30 Carolina at Tampa Bay    1:00 PM

Its a pity you were not here Sunday as I had a spare ticket to watch the mighty Miami Dolphins.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 15, 2007, 12:49:52 AM
I will be going to the Dolphins game Sunday, I am surprised the spread is only 3.5 thought the Ravens would be favoured by more.
Bloody Mary at 9am to start the day then a bit of tailgating,  hopefully we will celebrating our first victory with a cigar and whiskey when we get home. Forecast is for 80 Degrees with a chance of rain, should be a good days crack. If we don't win this week we will just have to beat the Patriots in New England the following week (guessing the spread will be close to 40 for that one) ...some chance. The Bengals the last week might be our only chance for a win. Who would ever have thought that the Dolphins could go 0 and 16 times have changed down here bring back Marino.

6 of the dolphins losses have been by a fieldgoal. I dont think they are much more than +3.5 underdogs in this game. I think the weather in foxboro could well make a punt on the jets worthwhile - not for me though...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 15, 2007, 10:47:07 AM
Was watching "who is ?" on Sky last weekend, Devin Hester is about to beat Brian Mitchells NFL record for most return touchdowns (kickoff & punt)......The amazing thing is Hester is in his 2nd season, it took Mitchell 13 seasons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 15, 2007, 12:03:10 PM
Was watching "who is ?" on Sky last weekend, Devin Hester is about to beat Brian Mitchells NFL record for most return touchdowns (kickoff & punt)......The amazing thing is Hester is in his 2nd season, it took Mitchell 13 seasons.

Hester is something else SS , the buzz of anticipation around Soldier Field before he receives the ball is unreal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 15, 2007, 02:50:59 PM
I will be going to the Dolphins game Sunday, I am surprised the spread is only 3.5 thought the Ravens would be favoured by more.
Bloody Mary at 9am to start the day then a bit of tailgating,  hopefully we will celebrating our first victory with a cigar and whiskey when we get home. Forecast is for 80 Degrees with a chance of rain, should be a good days crack. If we don't win this week we will just have to beat the Patriots in New England the following week (guessing the spread will be close to 40 for that one) ...some chance. The Bengals the last week might be our only chance for a win. Who would ever have thought that the Dolphins could go 0 and 16 times have changed down here bring back Marino.

6 of the dolphins losses have been by a fieldgoal. I dont think they are much more than +3.5 underdogs in this game. I think the weather in foxboro could well make a punt on the jets worthwhile - not for me though...

Fingers crossed with Fins tomorrow. The Jets might be worth a few dollars with that spread but I hear the Pats what to show them up after the spying scandal earlier in the year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 15, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
We will be staying in Port Charlotte from 20th to 30th. Its an hour and a half from Tampa.

I know Port Charlotte well. Its a nice quiet town, but not a lot happens there, and virtually nothing of note sportswise! The Texas Rangers used to have spring training there up until a couple of years ago (so you'd get friendly games against the likes of the Yankees), but the town hasn't been able to attract any other major league teams since they left for Arizona. There were rumours of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays moving their training there from 2009, but I'm not sure if that is confirmed.

If you're down Fort Myers direction, Sanibel and Captiva are worth a visit, particularly if you're into wildlife (the JD Ding Darling preserve is great for birds and alligators). Also, there is a Henry Ford-Thomas Edison museum in Fort Myers based around their old winter residences (they literally lived across the street from each other). There is (or at least used to be) a manatee sanctuary along the Caloosahatchee River in Fort Myers. They have manatees and other animals on exhibit, and they run tours along the river and the mangroves to see them in the wild (alligators too). The Babcock Ranch, a few miles inland from Port Charlotte/Punta Gorda, does wildlife tours of the forests and swamps.

The whole Charlotte Harbor area is excellent for water sports or sailing, particular if you have friends who have a boat or if you want to do a bit of canoeing or something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 15, 2007, 11:34:04 PM
Pucks Pro Parlay Picks:

Packers (-8.5)
Titans (-3.5)
Seahawks (-7.5)
Colts (-10.5)

Im sure Ill get shafted on at least one, but sure its only 20$ and pays 10-1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 16, 2007, 12:03:19 AM
Was watching "who is ?" on Sky last weekend, Devin Hester is about to beat Brian Mitchells NFL record for most return touchdowns (kickoff & punt)......The amazing thing is Hester is in his 2nd season, it took Mitchell 13 seasons.

Hester is something else SS , the buzz of anticipation around Soldier Field before he receives the ball is unreal

Puzzles me why teams keep kicking to him!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:15:15 PM
quite fancy the Jets to cover the spread today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 16, 2007, 05:36:09 PM
quite fancy the Jets to cover the spread today

I hope Brady goes nuts, he needs to, my fantasy team is shite without him and the packers D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:57:02 PM
He'll have bother throwing in that snow today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 16, 2007, 05:57:45 PM
quite fancy the Jets to cover the spread today

Its a huge spread. I think if the wind keeps up they will have a good shot at it.

Would love to see the dolphins win too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:58:57 PM
Dolphins will win today  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 16, 2007, 06:14:45 PM
Touchdown Patriots! Going to get ugly!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 06:16:20 PM
anyone watching Buffalo - Cleveland?

the weather there  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 16, 2007, 06:51:13 PM
LOL @ the snow in this game.

FFS they are playing in a couple of inches of the stuff. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 16, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
Go Jets!! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 16, 2007, 06:59:12 PM
10-7 to Patriots, come on Jets!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 16, 2007, 08:07:05 PM
Here are my bets this week

200   Giants(-5) and Saints (-3 1/2)

100  Balt  (-3 1/2)   and  Packers  (-8)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 16, 2007, 08:38:12 PM
They've just stopped the Jets-Patriots game until the fans stop throwing snowballs onto the field! ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 16, 2007, 10:26:09 PM
quite fancy the Jets to cover the spread today

Its a huge spread. I think if the wind keeps up they will have a good shot at it.

Would love to see the dolphins win too.

hope you had dollars on that puckoon!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 16, 2007, 10:28:10 PM
No, and the feckin seagulls rogered me as well. >:(


Ah well, such is life.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 16, 2007, 11:20:34 PM
ive played in inches of water but not inches of snow, id hate it, the pain of it getting hit in the cold must be horrendous. well done to the phins, spared their blushes. they really looked relieved to have won it. Browns are looking strong. Brett passed Marinos total passing yard record
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 16, 2007, 11:22:56 PM
The Browns defense is their big weak point, the offense can score on anyone. Jamal Lewis is getting stronger as the season is progressing. Jags are probably the most dangerous team entering the playoffs......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 17, 2007, 01:21:56 AM
Its a nasty evening in NY. Its got very windy and cold over the past hour - not the best conditions for the Giants-Redskins game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 17, 2007, 02:45:36 AM
Poor game at Giants Stadium. Redskins 6, Giants 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 17, 2007, 03:19:04 AM
Here are my bets this week

200   Giants(-5) and Saints (-3 1/2)

100  Balt  (-3 1/2)   and  Packers  (-8)




Could be screwed on both counts DH.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 17, 2007, 03:53:35 AM
Dolphins will win today  :D

 8) 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 17, 2007, 09:35:26 AM
fair play, i wouldnt have backed them against the Ravens, but Im glad they didnt go 0-16 it would have done serious damage to the franchiase.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 17, 2007, 02:49:14 PM
fair play, i wouldnt have backed them against the Ravens, but Im glad they didnt go 0-16 it would have done serious damage to the franchiase.

Great since of relief down there yesterday. The Fins offense is terrible, the lad that scored the winning touchdown was from the practice squad and he looked better than some of the starters at least he could catch the ball. Hot and humid before the game with some rain, by the time we got home the temperature had dropped into the fifties nice and cool for a change. You would swear the Dolphins had won the Super Bowl the way people celebrated in the car park afterwards the Raven fans were even amused by the whole thing. Great day out though..the head is a bit tender this morning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 17, 2007, 03:11:02 PM
You can't help but smile about that Dolphins win yesterday

As someone said on another board

"Being 1-15 is nowhere near as sad as being the club who lost to a 1-15 team."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 17, 2007, 04:45:55 PM
Here are my bets this week

200   Giants(-5) and Saints (-3 1/2)

100  Balt  (-3 1/2)   and  Packers  (-8)



How can the giants let Eli try to win their games?  They have a starting running back as big as most offensive lineman and blazing speed. Start running then the passing game will be so much easier. A complete fiasco in their home stadium.

Best thing about betting is there is always next week ;)

On a side note how must TO feel being shown up by his old QB in Dallas. Fair play to the Eagles and McNabb.



Could be screwed on both counts DH.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 19, 2007, 11:52:16 PM
Pro-bowl votes in, and just to show what a pile shite the judging system is not a single member of the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are 10-4 and contending for a playoff spot, or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are 9-5 and captured the NFC South crown, was selected.

Yet, the 1-13 Miami Dolphins have one representative: Defensive end Jason Taylor.

At 12-2, the Dallas Cowboys have had an outstanding season. But is it really deserving of 11 Pro Bowlers, three more than the 14-0 New England Patriots and seven more than the 12-2 Green Bay Packers? I don't think so.

For that matter, how do the 8-6 Minnesota Vikings end up with seven selections, three more than the winner of their division, Green Bay? It makes no sense.

The 3rd choice at QB on the AFC is Big Ben and not Derrick Anderson which I think is wrong.

And no Wes Welker, for me he's been the one making the hard yards for the Pats in their passing game. Not doubting Moss' contribution but you dont see him going across the middle very much. Welkers done the donkey work for that team and deserves a spot.

I think its more of a popularity contest than anything else.

In other news TO tells Jessica Simpson to back of from Tony Romo that shes partially to blame for his shit game Vs the Eagles last weekend, funny stuff.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80542306&template=without-video&confirm=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 20, 2007, 09:42:07 AM
Agree Juice, No Fred Taylor???? Rothlisberger is lucky to be in too, think Anderson is more deserving. I think the fact that 11 year old kids are allowed to vote does not help. Ogden is there on reputation alone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 20, 2007, 07:06:40 PM
Havnt gotten down to the bookies, anyone feeling good about any teams this weekend? Put the heap on the dolphins? :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 21, 2007, 12:45:25 AM
Steelers vs Rams tonite     www.nfl.com/live

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 21, 2007, 01:30:27 AM
Steelers vs Rams tonite     www.nfl.com/live


Steelers 7 Rams 0
Even though Steelers have scored early, i think this could be a top quality game, Rams could give them a real run for their money. Jackson will make some good yards on the ground.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 21, 2007, 11:27:08 AM
Looked like a good ol game but i was shattered, and dozed off despite my best efforts to stay awake. Willy Parker will be a big loss if he misses the play-offs. As much as I like the Steelers I'd rather the Browns got through.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 22, 2007, 08:28:43 PM
Cowboys vs Panthers    8ET  www.nfl.com/live

Cowboys are 10 1/2 points over the Panthers

The over is 42.5

Take TO and the Cowboys  and also the over.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 22, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Giants -3
Colts-7
Packers -8.5
Detroit kansas over 43.5

20$ parlay.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 22, 2007, 11:25:43 PM
BYU  vs  UCLA     BYU-7  take them

UCLA QB  might not play
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 23, 2007, 02:48:26 PM
Good article in todays Sunday Tribune re drugs in baseball by dave hannigan...
 

The senator scrapes the surface to reveal what dopes baseball players have become 
 

THE strangest thing happened last week. An athlete accused of taking steroids actually confessed to doing so. It didn't take a positive test to force his hand either. There was no ridiculous demand for the jury of public opinion to wait for the B sample to come back. Just an accusation against him that yielded some plain, old-fashioned honesty of a kind you probably thought had disappeared from the sporting landscape forever. Better yet, the frank admission came laced with true remorse, genuine perspective, and a sincere commitment to educate youngsters about the dangers of performanceenhancing substances.

"I stole people's jobs, " said former New York Yankees pitcher Dan Naulty in a searing assessment of the difference drugs made to his career. "That's the part for me that was so wrong. I have to explain to my boys that I took people's jobs by cheating, and that penetrated my soul a number of years ago and still haunts me today. The poor choice I made for the chance of being a majorleague baseball player I was so young and dumb I didn't think about anything except the light at the end of the tunnel, and that light was the fame that baseball was going to provide me."

Despite chemical enhancement, Naulty never achieved that much fame.

A journeyman pitcher who appeared in just 130 games in the majors back in the '90s, he's achieved a notoriety far beyond his wildest dreams over the past ten days. It's not just because accused steroid-users don't usually come clean with this sort of candour, it's because he is the only one of the 90 baseball players cited in George Mitchell's recent report into steroid use who has given a full and plausible account of his actions.

The rest have resorted to a combination of half-truths, badly thought-out equivocations and scarcely credible denials that reek more of the Mahon Tribunal than the Major Leagues.

Half a dozen of the biggest names mentioned have denied steroid use but admitted using Human Growth Hormone for brief periods when struggling to come back from injuries. Other excuses have veered so far this side of unbelievable that it remains just for somebody to come out and admit he once accidentally sat on a needle full of anabolics in a darkened locker room and didn't realise what they were until he saw his biceps enlarge.

"In 2003, when I took one shot of steroids, I immediately realised that this was not what I stood for or anything that I wanted to continue doing, " said Baltimore Orioles' second baseman Brian Roberts, in a typically difficult to believe apology. "I never used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing drugs prior to or since that single incident. I can honestly say before God, myself, my family and all of my fans that steroids or any performance-enhancing drugs have never had any effect on what I have worked so hard to accomplish in the game of baseball."

Even if the fallout from the publication of his findings has been at times surreal, the former Northern Ireland peace envoy deserves enormous credit. He produced something of real substance despite encountering roadblocks at every turn during his 21-month investigation. The Major League Baseball Players' Association (MLBPA) refused to co-operate and with all but a handful of the current players scared to answer calls, Mitchell and his team still garnered weighty evidence from Kirk Radomski, a former New York Met clubhouse assistantturned steroid supplier, and Brian McNamee, a former New York Yankees strength and conditioning coach.

It wasn't enough to expose the true extent of steroid use but did offer a glimpse at how endemic it must have been. To those hoping baseball might finally try to clean up its tawdry act, this pair the were the unlikely heroes of the 409-page narrative. Even if their co-operation was a result of federal pressure relating to other charges, Radomski and McNamee supplied graphic testimony about the decade leading up to the introduction of proper testing in 2004. Of course, the sport's ingrained attitude to the topic is such that one ESPN analyst who you might have figured would laud their contribution to unmasking the liars described them as "sewer rats".

One of the sewer rats gave up the biggest name of all when McNamee recalled injecting Roger Clemens . . . the greatest pitcher of his generation . . . with steroids. Much like Barry Bonds, Clemens' career trajectory always had a disturbing arc to it. As he reached his mid-30s, he began to improve and get stronger at an age when most pitchers start to fade. Despite his best friend, training partner and fellow New York Yankee icon Andy Pettite admitting that the HGH accusations against him in the report were correct, Clemens strenuously denied every allegation, a screed stretching for eight and a half pages in Mitchell's report.

"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life, " said the 45-year-old Texan who came out of retirement to pitch for the Yankees last summer. "Those substances represent a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take. I am disappointed that my 25 years in public life have apparently not earned me the benefit of the doubt, but I understand that Senator Mitchell's report has raised many serious questions. I plan to publicly answer all of those questions at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment."

Notwithstanding the numerous American sports fans who care not a jot whether their heroes cheat, the cynicism regarding drugs has reached such a level that most sane observers laughed aloud as they read the text of Clemens' denial. Apart from all the circumstantial evidence, his statement came after analysis showed a massive improvement in his performances after the exact point in 1998 when McNamee claims he began dabbling with pharmaceuticals.

Never the most popular player outside the clubs he pitched for on his way to 354 wins, Clemens' dilemma was put in sharp focus by one of his peers.

"So as a fan my thought is that Roger will find a way in short order to organise a legal team to guarantee a retraction of the allegations made, a public apology is made, and his name is completely cleared, " wrote Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling in his blog 38pitches. com. "If he doesn't do that then there aren't many options as a fan for me other than to believe his career 192 wins and 3 Cy Youngs (awarded to the best pitcher each season) he won prior to 1997 were the end. From that point on the numbers were attained through using PED's (Performance Enhancing Drugs)" Clemens may have his day on Capitol Hill before he gets a day in court. Almost as soon as the Mitchell Report was printed up, it emerged Congress would be holding more hearings into steroids and baseball next month. Anybody summoned to appear before that committee must do so under oath and beneath the unforgiving glare of live television cameras.

The last time that a group players were put under that harsh spotlight retired slugger Mark McGwire did so much damage to his reputation he has scarcely been seen in public since. Any Clemens' appearance would also come freighted with talk about the possibility of him perjuring himself.

During a fractious week and a half since Mitchell held his press conference to announce his findings, the one thing everybody agrees on is his report only scratches the surface of this problem. He fingered 90 individuals but most estimates put the number of users between 1995 and 2005 at maybe ten times that number. In a sport where statistics are the sine qua non, that one now trumps all.

 
 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 25, 2007, 06:49:07 AM
Giants -3
Colts-7
Packers -8.5
Detroit kansas over 43.5

20$ parlay.


What about them f**king bears then. >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 25, 2007, 10:18:10 AM
Giants -3
Colts-7
Packers -8.5
Detroit kansas over 43.5

20$ parlay.


What about them f**king bears then. >:(

Sorry Puck
Lovie Smith said the season is not successful unless they sweep the Pack.
Made 300 on the game to cancel out a few bd picks this week.
End of the season is tough making picks with teams resting/evaluating players.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 29, 2007, 08:03:50 PM
So it all comes down to tonight  8) 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 29, 2007, 08:05:10 PM
Id like to see them do it - but Id like the giants to make them play well to accomplish the feat. I took the over at 46.5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 29, 2007, 09:10:21 PM
going to stay up for that for as long as i can! hope the pats do it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 29, 2007, 11:08:09 PM
The game will be live on www.nfl.com/live 6pm eastern.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2007, 11:52:01 PM
Has it been done before?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 29, 2007, 11:59:41 PM
Has it been done before?

The Dolphins are the only undefeated team....come on the Giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 12:27:22 AM
Game starts 8 15 eastern.

Think both teams going to be full strength, looking forward to it! Come on Giants! :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 01:28:23 AM
Is that Eli or Peyton :o Good start by Giants!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 30, 2007, 01:36:27 AM
Just keep scoring!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 02:41:25 AM
Go Giants! Really enjoying this :)
Brady and Co aint going to get it easy!
Hopefully a close finish in store :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 30, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
Penn state and Texas A&M is worth a quick flick every now and then on espn. 17-14 penn state at the half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 02:57:33 AM
Keeping an eye on it, Penn States coach is a bit of a character!
Seems to be a good game alright!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 03:48:58 AM
hows about that then!
Thats pure class! Moss should have had it the first time. Looking good for the unbeaten now :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 30, 2007, 04:06:23 AM
The patriots are immense. No other word for it. Coming back from 28-16 like that - Brady is relentless, hes been hit more times than a CBS pupil tonight and hes bounced up and delivered every time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 30, 2007, 04:09:11 AM
Unreal throw for moss TD....Don't no how he dropped the first one!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 30, 2007, 04:19:32 AM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 30, 2007, 04:23:55 AM
Congrats to the perfect Pats. Looked in trouble for a while tonight but pulled through like the winners they are. Unbeliveable outfit.

Can they top it off with the Superbowl now and become truly the greatest of all time?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 04:37:14 AM
Well done Pats!
It will all count for nothing but if they dont go on to win the Super bowl. Remember the Dolphins went on to win it in their unbeaten season!
Eli Manning by the way was dirt in the second half, still they covered the spread ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2007, 09:10:56 AM
A long shot but the Chargers to win it. Last year they entered the play-offs on a 10-game streak only to peak too soon. This year it has been spot on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 30, 2007, 09:28:26 AM
Fair play to the Pats - I'm not really bothered about the play-offs now

The only thing that interests me is the possibility of Favre vs Brady in the Superbowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 30, 2007, 12:28:52 PM
an amazing season for the pats, brady never quits, even tho they deserve it they got that little bit of luck you need to be perfect. some season by randy moss too tho jerry rice will always be a legend...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 31, 2007, 09:54:28 AM
 AFC PLAYOFF PICTURE

New England 1. New England Patriots (16-0) – Won AFC East and earned home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Indianapolis 2. Indianapolis Colts (13-3) – Won AFC South and earned first-round bye.

San Diego 3. San Diego Chargers (11-5) – Won AFC West and earned first-round home playoff game.

Pittsburgh 4. Pittsburgh Steelers (10-6) – Won AFC North and earned first-round home playoff game.

Jacksonville 5. Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) – Earned wild-card berth and No. 5 seed.

Tennessee 6. Tennessee Titans (10-6) – Defeated the Colts to clinch the final wild-card spot.

Here are the first-round matchups in the AFC:

Jacksonville at Pittsburgh: Saturday, Jan. 5, 8 ET (NBC)
Tennessee at San Diego: Sunday, Jan. 6, 4:30 ET (CBS)

First-round byes: New England and Indianapolis

NFC PLAYOFF PICTURE

Dallas 1. Dallas Cowboys (13-3) – Won NFC East and earned home-field advantage because of head-to-head victory over Packers.

Green Bay 2. Green Bay Packers (13-3) – Won NFC North and earned first-round bye.

Seattle 3. Seattle Seahawks (10-6) – Won NFC West and earned first-round home game.

Tampa Bay 4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7) – Won NFC South and earned first-round home game.

New York 5. New York Giants (10-6) – Earned wild-card berth and No. 5 seed.

Washington 6. Washington Redskins (9-7) – Defeated the Cowboys to earn the final wild-card spot.

Here are the first-round matchups in the NFC:

Washington at Seattle: Saturday, Jan. 5, 4:30 ET (NBC)
N.Y. Giants at Tampa Bay: Sunday, Jan. 6, 1 ET (Fox)

First-round byes: Dallas and Green Bay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 31, 2007, 11:20:39 AM
on a side note jerry rice set his record with just 12 games. but still fair play to the pats they're and awesome team and fair play to the giants for making a game of it, hey could easily rested their starters. None of the wild card teams look strong enough to worry any of the top seeded teams. Farve getting to the Superbowl would be a nice way for him to finish his career. but its a long shot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 31, 2007, 12:59:11 PM
on a side note jerry rice set his record with just 12 games. but still fair play to the pats they're and awesome team and fair play to the giants for making a game of it, hey could easily rested their starters. None of the wild card teams look strong enough to worry any of the top seeded teams. Farve getting to the Superbowl would be a nice way for him to finish his career. but its a long shot.

Dunno if it is that big of a longshot, Cowboys are playing like a heap of shite and i know people are saying its hard to get motivated with nothing to play for but they may not be able to just switch it back on again. I actually think the Pats are going to fall short this year. Colts for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 31, 2007, 04:43:30 PM
Fair play to the Pats - I'm not really bothered about the play-offs now

The only thing that interests me is the possibility of Favre vs Brady in the Superbowl

Im praying for a Farve Brady superbowl.


Anyways, so there is a lot of talk on the sports networks now concerning the Patriots season and whether it will be a failure if they dont win the super bowl. After going 16-0 in the regular season, I dont see how it couldnt be a failure. Whats the point in having a regular unbeaten season, and being the best team in the nation - then going out of the playoff picture? Do any of you think the Pats can not win the superbowl and not have their season described as a failure? Bear in mind - Im not forgetting they went 16-0 - but whats the point if you dont go all the way?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 31, 2007, 07:41:22 PM
pats are actually unbeaten in 19 games in a row now, the record is 21, held by the 2003/4 pats so thats next on the line. i agree that the season will be seen as a failure if they dont win the superbowl now so i really hope they do it..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 31, 2007, 11:49:02 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 01, 2008, 12:53:28 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.

Fair Play to Chris Henry from getting up, though I think it was his pride that helped him up, his bell was ringing I'd say. By the way I'd say Darrel Reid can expect a fine for that in the post sometime this week. Any time I got hit helmet to helmet its never nice, it does protect you but it does leave you woosey if your hit hard enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 01, 2008, 01:19:02 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.

wow that could've been lethal..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2008, 03:31:22 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.

 :D Is Henry f**king blind? How could you not see that man coming! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 01, 2008, 10:10:01 PM
Just something I've been thinkin' about while watching NFL, now I've never been to one, missed the one before the Phins-Giants game, but tailgating parties look like a lot of fun, and I was thinking it would be great before a GAA match. Its taking the "hang-sangidges" to another level. When parking in Clonliffe college, pop open the boot get out the BBQ, open a few cans of beer (bring a slab of beer), fry some sausages, have music beltin' out the car radio, get as many other fans involved as possible, then head for the game, cuts out the pub and on a hot day would be great, bring some deck chairs, beats playing in the traffic outside Quinns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 01, 2008, 11:00:12 PM
Just something I've been thinkin' about while watching NFL, now I've never been to one, missed the one before the Phins-Giants game, but tailgating parties look like a lot of fun, and I was thinking it would be great before a GAA match. Its taking the "hang-sangidges" to another level. When parking in Clonliffe college, pop open the boot get out the BBQ, open a few cans of beer (bring a slab of beer), fry some sausages, have music beltin' out the car radio, get as many other fans involved as possible, then head for the game, cuts out the pub and on a hot day would be great, bring some deck chairs, beats playing in the traffic outside Quinns.

Juice - its not just NFL - college games are just as big for tailgating pre and post game. I cant get into my office on gameday from about 8am to 3 hours after the games the wolfpack play. Its unreal. RVs, camper vans, flat out BBQing, beer bouncy castles for the kids, live bands... the list goes on, its endless. Its alot of craic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2008, 11:04:42 PM
Hope the Illinois Fans enjoyed theirs!

End of Quarter 1
USC 14
Illinois 0 :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 02, 2008, 12:19:13 AM
Good start to second half for Illinois!
USC 21
Illinois 9

Been a poor game so far!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 02, 2008, 01:54:38 AM
Illini Fan here  :'(

But a better betting man took USC and the over ;D

Big game tommorrow  West Virginia vs Oklahoma


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 02, 2008, 01:56:55 AM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.

Fair Play to Chris Henry from getting up, though I think it was his pride that helped him up, his bell was ringing I'd say. By the way I'd say Darrel Reid can expect a fine for that in the post sometime this week. Any time I got hit helmet to helmet its never nice, it does protect you but it does leave you woosey if your hit hard enough.

Juice, the hit was legal there will be no fine. American football is more collision than contact.


 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 02, 2008, 09:15:55 AM
Helmet to Helmet tackles in the NFL result in a fine as far as im aware. Tho not in college football.

RE: Puckoon, yes I was aware of that, but anyway does anyone else think it would be great in the GAA environment, only problem is we dont get the same weather (in some cases ie chicago its a good thing)


By the way, Rookie of the Year? its seems to be a between Adrian Peterson and Joe Thomas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 02, 2008, 03:42:06 PM
haven't watched any bowl games so far

caught that outdoor ice hockey game played in the Bills NFL stadium - looked pretty neat
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 02, 2008, 04:14:14 PM
haven't watched any bowl games so far

caught that outdoor ice hockey game played in the Bills NFL stadium - looked pretty neat

Gabe watched the first period of that game. Ice seemed to need too much work for a NHL game. Although it brought back memories of skating as a kid on the ponds and "old time hockey".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 03, 2008, 10:40:05 AM
Thank you for making my year New England.... Another Unbelievable Comeback!!
Brady... iceman cometh in the 4th qtr...    Moss... reborn under the star of the flaming redhead!

What a team, what an organisation. I wish that some of our county managers would study their personnell operations at some stage. Obviously from a motivation perspective, they are getting the right people to do the best for them almost 100% of the time.. Feck it, I'm gonna get my boss to start following them!!

Now.. What about the Celtics.. 27 wins 3 losses... Tying the franchise record. I remember some doubters here on this board, I had my reservations, but there is no denying it now, they and the Pistons are favorites for the East, and the recent road trip out west where they went 4-0 in 5 nights shows they can mix it with anyone..

I read Bob Ryans blog in the Globe.. Boston Celtics and Patriots  are 43 for 3 since the Red Soxs turned the ALCS on its head from 3-1 down in October. wow....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 03, 2008, 10:42:56 AM
celtics doing well, lakers showing great form this season also. kobe playing like a team man, sharing the load. christmas day against the suns was as good a lakers performance as ive seen in a while.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 01:18:34 PM
Quote
what an organisation

who cheat
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2008, 01:32:55 PM
celtics doing well, lakers showing great form this season also. kobe playing like a team man, sharing the load. christmas day against the suns was as good a lakers performance as ive seen in a while.

Spare a thought for us Knicks fans!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Cam Cameron of the Miami Dolphins = sacked
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 03, 2008, 04:10:25 PM
Cam Cameron of the Miami Dolphins = sacked

Bill Parcells is going to bring in his own people, thats how he works. I think he can turn them around quickly, just gutted he didnt go to the Falcons. Brian Billick getting the boot was a surprise though a 9-game losing streak is horrendous in any sport, there was a severe disiplinary meltdown and Ray Lewis did openly criticise him. So i guess i shouldnt have been so surprised
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 03, 2008, 07:20:16 PM
Quote
what an organisation

who cheat

who optimise opportunities. the pats are class...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 08:31:57 PM
....less, full stop
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 03, 2008, 09:21:32 PM
celtics doing well, lakers showing great form this season also. kobe playing like a team man, sharing the load. christmas day against the suns was as good a lakers performance as ive seen in a while.

Spare a thought for us Knicks fans!

I know! Did you see what Isiah Thomas said last night. He said that he was going to take the knicks to a Nba title and that he would be there for it! ::)
He has turned the Knicks into the biggest laughing stock in the NBA ffs!

FIRE ISIAH!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on January 03, 2008, 11:02:41 PM
Cam Cameron of the Miami Dolphins = sacked

Bill Parcells is going to bring in his own people, thats how he works. I think he can turn them around quickly, just gutted he didnt go to the Falcons. Brian Billick getting the boot was a surprise though a 9-game losing streak is horrendous in any sport, there was a severe disiplinary meltdown and Ray Lewis did openly criticise him. So i guess i shouldnt have been so surprised

They will probabily trade Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas for a couple of draft picks, it is going to be a long rebuilding job down here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 03, 2008, 11:05:04 PM
Cam Cameron of the Miami Dolphins = sacked

Bill Parcells is going to bring in his own people, thats how he works. I think he can turn them around quickly, just gutted he didnt go to the Falcons. Brian Billick getting the boot was a surprise though a 9-game losing streak is horrendous in any sport, there was a severe disiplinary meltdown and Ray Lewis did openly criticise him. So i guess i shouldnt have been so surprised

They will probabily trade Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas for a couple of draft picks, it is going to be a long rebuilding job down here.

Dont think you would get much for Zach Thomas, they will probably trade down from the #1 spot in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 04, 2008, 11:18:53 AM
Quote
what an organisation

who cheat

Gabriel, obviously more qualified people than you think that the issue is/has been blown out of all proportion. Commensurate with the stratospheric standing of New England in the NFL is the critiscism they get when they fu3k up. Especially from the media... Who dislike Bellichek intensely. However, that and spygate did not stop them from voting him coach of the year last night..

So maybe you can acknowledge that there is no question of them having cheated their way to 16-0 this season.  Maybe you wont, do we care.. No. It must be killing you though, big time. Now that thought is amusing... ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2008, 01:19:41 PM
blown out of all proportion or not - they did cheat

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80251b7e&template=with-video&confirm=true

Quote
NEW YORK -- Roger Goodell's hard line on discipline, aimed so far at players, came down this time on a coach and a team.

New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

The commissioner also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't. If the Patriots lose their first-rounder next season they still will have a first-round pick, obtained from San Francisco in the deal that brought Moss from Oakland.


"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell said in a letter to the Patriots.

Reached at his home, Patriots owner Robert Kraft declined to comment.

The videotaping came to light after a camera was confiscated from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 win last Sunday at Giants Stadium.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 04, 2008, 03:18:07 PM
blown out of all proportion or not - they did cheat

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80251b7e&template=with-video&confirm=true

Quote
NEW YORK -- Roger Goodell's hard line on discipline, aimed so far at players, came down this time on a coach and a team.

New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

The commissioner also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't. If the Patriots lose their first-rounder next season they still will have a first-round pick, obtained from San Francisco in the deal that brought Moss from Oakland.


"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell said in a letter to the Patriots.

Reached at his home, Patriots owner Robert Kraft declined to comment.

The videotaping came to light after a camera was confiscated from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 win last Sunday at Giants Stadium.


Not arguing that they were the first to be sanctioned for videotaping. They were caught cheating at halftime in the Jets game, the first game of the season.
Obviously, they have not used taping since. So the 16-0 is clean cut dominance - can you acknowledge that at least...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2008, 09:35:23 PM
Selections for weekend in bold -

Washington Redskins at Seattle Seahawks - Redskins Redskins are playing their best football at the right time.
Jacksonville Jaguars at Pittsburgh Steelers -  Jaguars Doubt if Steelers can stop Taylor & Jones- Drew

New York Giants at Tampa Bay Buccanneers - Giants If Manning plays smart they should win.
Tennessee Titans at San Diego Chargers - Chargers Too many weapons, no offense for Titans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
Seahawks - are 7 and 1 at home this season
I think the Jags as well - too much running

Giants - are 7 and 1 on the road this season
Chargers - just cos
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2008, 09:43:18 PM
Seahawks - are 7 and 1 at home this season
I think the Jags as well - too much running

Giants - are 7 and 1 on the road this season
Chargers - just cos

Aye that probably is the toughest one to call, that record is padded by playing in a shit division though & they cant run the ball lately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:05:51 AM
Hopefully the bowl game (Rutgers vs Ball State) finishes good and early tomorrow so I can get to the pub and see the NFL games
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 05, 2008, 06:11:31 AM
Rutgers are 11 point favourites. Im not touching it. Seattle are -3 against the redskins, cant pick that one either. The Chargers are -10 against Tennesse and the Jags are -2.5 against pittsburgh. Cant pick any of them on those spreads. The bowl games have killed most parlays, but thankfully I took the lakers and the pistons to recoup my losses this week.

Bellichick won coach of the year or something like that today? I kinda half heard while feedin the bab.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:15:19 AM
AP Coach of the year - he had to get it really

doesn't stop me from thinking he's an awful arsehole though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 05, 2008, 06:16:31 AM
AP Coach of the year - he had to get it really

doesn't stop me from thinking he's an awful arsehole though


 Why do you say that Gabe?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:18:54 AM
his team did finish 16-0 - who else could get it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 05, 2008, 06:19:39 AM
You are absolutely right gabriel, he is, but he also wants to be one and plays it up a little lot.

I think he meant why do you think he is an awful arsehole.



BTW, the lakers are kicking ass and taking names at the minute. Going to be interesting later in the season. Big game tomorrow for Boston and Detroit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:23:23 AM
i know what he meant  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 05, 2008, 06:25:16 AM
ahem, right oh! Ill shuffle off now then :-[
 ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 05, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
i think your off the mark with the pats there gabriel. anyway if they do go on to win the superbowl they will have one tough run it with maybe the colts and dallas to play yet if things go to plan..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2008, 11:13:54 PM
10-0 Seahawks at HT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:01:20 AM
13-0 after 3rd Q
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
13-7. Redskins turning the screw and just turned it over. Can see OT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 06, 2008, 12:07:25 AM
13-0 after 3rd Q

14-13 Skins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:16:26 AM
Washington a team possessed.
Missed a simple FG though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:26:22 AM
W 14-13 S - 6 mins. Seattle in play.

Great finish.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:27:00 AM
TD SEATTLE!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:29:56 AM
Seattle 21-14. 6 Mins.

Great shot of Seattle QB celebrating before the ball had even been received by Hackett . 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 12:32:47 AM
TD interception seattle. 28-14. I bet the over in this game (39 points). Im going to contrast with emoticons how I felt at the end of the 3rd quarter  :'( to how I feel after that interception touchdown by seattle. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:34:04 AM
Brilliant. Trufant intercepts and runs 78 yards for TD.

28-14
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 12:51:15 AM
Another interception - Seattle touchdown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 01:11:21 AM
35-14. Crazy 4th quarter.

As for tomorrow - - GO CHARGERS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 06, 2008, 01:22:09 AM

  Had a wee flutter on the Seahawks myself today ;D
  back to Lambeau field for Holmgren, should be a good one 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 06, 2008, 01:30:10 AM
Good start to the Jag/Steelers game too 7-7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 06, 2008, 03:47:45 AM
Steelers making a comeback, looks like a great 4th quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 06, 2008, 04:44:29 AM
Stayed up for this one. Great game. Jags v Pats next week should be a barnburner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 06, 2008, 08:30:29 AM
shouldn't even be that close - the refs were sooooooooooooo por-steelers it wasn't even funny
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 06:31:18 PM
Touchdown Tampa >:(

Giants 0
Buccs 7

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 06:57:01 PM
Giants touchdown!
Giants 7
Buccs 7
Waiting on Giants and Chargers for a nice wee lifter! ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 07:21:34 PM
Half time
Giants 14
Buccs  7
Not a great game but i expect it go right to the wire!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 06, 2008, 08:24:17 PM
24 to 7 - 8 minutes left - should be enough
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 08:37:22 PM
24-14, just over three mins left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 08:46:04 PM
Tampa touchdown will kill me!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 06, 2008, 08:49:46 PM
Tampa touchdown will kill me!!

Whta was the spread?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 08:50:27 PM
game over!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 08:52:23 PM
Nice interception ;D
Tampa were 3 pt Fav, was worried had thought for a while there the giants were!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 08:54:41 PM
Now waiting for Chargers got them at 9 :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 09:25:44 PM
Thats not a bad spread carmen - the chargers were 10 in reno this morning. I didnt get in to do my bet because of the stupid weather.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 09:39:56 PM
They started at 8 1/2
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 09:42:08 PM
Have big hot dog, big crisps and root beer.

Bring it on LT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 06, 2008, 09:43:54 PM
Thats not a bad spread carmen - the chargers were 10 in reno this morning. I didnt get in to do my bet because of the stupid weather.

no online gambling in the good ole USA!!

dallas/giants should be good next sunday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 10:34:49 PM
i used bodog.com for online gamblin over there is it not still going?

not the most excitig game, cant run against that titan def!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 10:50:17 PM
SD finding it tough going. 0-3 towards end of 2Q

Scores hard to come by.

Charger Girls are great though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 10:57:59 PM
6-0 Tennessee at HT.

They seem to be adept at that and shut out SD earlier in the year at HT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 11:11:41 PM
watchin on some danish net tv, is gates out?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 06, 2008, 11:21:08 PM
Yep
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 11:40:03 PM
TD SD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 11:40:50 PM
SD 10 TT 6 3rd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 11:43:47 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 11:52:05 PM
titans miss fg 10-6 4yh qu!

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 11:53:29 PM
Thats criminal. Good lord those charger girls are great. I wish it would rain a little harder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hardstation on January 06, 2008, 11:54:31 PM
If Ulster Scots can get a grant, you boys are a sure thing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:03:51 AM
Come on Chargers!
 :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 07, 2008, 12:12:49 AM
LT TD extra point good!

17 - 6

spread covered?!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 12:14:50 AM
Yeah. Dont know that it was more than chargers-10 anywhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:16:07 AM
Say nothing yet lads!  :-X
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:20:23 AM
Roger Clemens interveiw on 60 minutes tonight should be interesting!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 12:24:04 AM
Definitely heading over there. Those Charger Girls probably don't know the delights of the Washingbay.

Can't understand how that was a LT touchdown. Was he not stopped?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:26:32 AM
Definitely heading over there. Those Charger Girls probably don't know the delights of the Washingbay.

Can't understand how that was a LT touchdown. Was he not stopped?
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Funny i thought that myself! His forward movement was stopped short for sure!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 07, 2008, 12:27:06 AM
im no expert at all but though he was stopped he wasnt down therefore still in play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:30:14 AM
That interception should do it now ;D
I thought the rule was that you mark it were the forward motion is stopped, but i guess the titans would have challenged it had they thought it was short!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 07, 2008, 12:31:48 AM
did they not challenge it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 12:32:15 AM
Caught this:

Quote
A player is stopped when his knees touch the ground either because he was tackled by a defensive player or because he fell.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:34:16 AM
Caught this:

Quote
A player is stopped when his knees touch the ground either because he was tackled by a defensive player or because he fell.
Thats that then!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 12:35:17 AM
I think they awarded it for the second reach, after he had been stopped. In the play before, where he was brought down at the 1 yard line, was I the only person that noticed the titans coach physically alluding to his players that the player with the visor (i.e.LT) was going to be the receiver?! ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 12:36:54 AM
Also this though:
Quote
A down ends, and the ball becomes dead, after any of the following:

    * The player with the ball is forced to the ground (tackled) or has his forward progress halted by members of the other team (as determined by an official).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:37:19 AM
Found this

What is the NFL rule on forward motion?
How does the ref decide where to spot the ball when the player is stopped standing up and driven backwards before his knee touches the ground?

What is the forward motion rule, and when is it invoked?
 
 
By rule, the linesmen (and there are two of them) is looking at the ball and will place it at it's furthest point forward on the carry. Now if the player is standing straight up carrying the ball or leaning it does not matter. So if he is standing like you mentioned, his progress is stopped and he is being pushed back. At this time his forward movement is stopped and the play is whistled dead. The ball will be brought to it's most forward position.

So forward movement being stopped and knee on the ground can equal the same thing in spotting the ball.
 
Easiest question to ever answer on here they place the ball as far as the player goes, so if he carries for ten yards then is pushed back they mark him to the furthest point he achieved Report It

Wherever he stopped going forward, or whenever he started getting pushed back. The rule is that if a player has been forced backwards, they give him the ball wherever he or she stopped going FORWARD.
Forward progress is a judgment call.

As such, it varies from game to game, and ref to ref. Basically, he gives the runner as much yardage as where he is stopped. I'd imagine it takes years to develop the skills to watch these guys run, then decide where on the field they stopped.
 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 07, 2008, 12:47:35 AM
Grr Im annoyed at that one, much rather have seen the Titans win it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 07, 2008, 01:01:11 AM
Next weekend

AFC

Jaguars @ Patriots

Chargers @ Colts

NFC

Seahawks @ Packers

Giants @ Cowboys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 07, 2008, 02:48:12 AM
You are absolutely right gabriel, he is, but he also wants to be one and plays it up a little lot.

I think he meant why do you think he is an awful arsehole.



BTW, the lakers are kicking ass and taking names at the minute. Going to be interesting later in the season. Big game tomorrow for Boston and Detroit.

you are right puck he plays it up. The players respect him and want to play for him, proven day in day out. You cant be a complete arsehole if you are so consistently getting the best from your team. Gabriel Im afraid you are talking thru green tinted glasses..

Speakng of green, check out the NBA article. The rebirth of Boston Celtic basketball is a tide that is lifting all boats... Boston 92 Detroit 85
http://www.nba.com/global/traffic_records_071213.html (http://www.nba.com/global/traffic_records_071213.html)
Please God, send us a Celtics v Lakers Finals in June!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 03:56:25 AM
Anyone watching the 60 minutes interview with Roger Clemence - the man looks as guilty as sin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 07, 2008, 03:10:09 PM
was I the only person that noticed the titans coach physically alluding to his players that the player with the visor (i.e.LT) was going to be the receiver?! ???

Yeah, it took me a sec to cop on as to what that meant, but it seems the titans didnt. So does anyone reckon the Giants can beat the Cowboys. They figured out the Bucs easily enough, but whether they can stop the Dallas offense is the big question. The Giants just arent as explosive as the Cowboys and that for me might be the difference. That said the Cowboys had a dip in form in the last few weeks, but that was after their play-off berth was assured.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2008, 03:17:21 PM
Selections for weekend in bold -

Washington Redskins at Seattle Seahawks - Redskins Redskins are playing their best football at the right time.
Jacksonville Jaguars at Pittsburgh Steelers -  Jaguars Doubt if Steelers can stop Taylor & Jones- Drew

New York Giants at Tampa Bay Buccanneers - Giants If Manning plays smart they should win.
Tennessee Titans at San Diego Chargers - Chargers Too many weapons, no offense for Titans.

3 outta 4 aint bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2008, 04:34:22 PM
Seahawks - are 7 and 1 at home this season
I think the Jags as well - too much running

Giants - are 7 and 1 on the road this season
Chargers - just cos

4/4 is better 8) 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 05:27:06 PM
Boys, picking is childs play! Hit the spreads, ill post next weeks and see how we all get on. :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 07, 2008, 07:25:29 PM
Anyone watching the 60 minutes interview with Roger Clemence - the man looks as guilty as sin.

 
He nearly shit himself with the mention of the lie detector test :D
His trainer has absolutley nothing to gain by lying and everything to gain
by telling the truth imo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 07, 2008, 07:47:34 PM
poor auld roger- the weird thing is he's lying to protect his "legacy" no financial impact, no suspension, and no jail time as far as I can make out...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 07, 2008, 10:31:15 PM
nice tribute to the new england patriots in yesterdays indo, better than the 1970s brazil even...


Brady's bunch play the beautiful game

Our national interest in American Football may have diminished somewhat since the days when any overweight youngster had a better than average chance of being called, 'The Refrigerator', but if you've been ignoring the NFL lately you've just missed one of the greatest team sporting achievements of all-time.


It's not just that the New England Patriots have become only the second team of modern times to go through a regular season unbeaten, it's that they've done so by playing football at a level without previous analogue.

When the Miami Dolphins set the record in 1972, they were a by-word for grim, almost military efficiency, something memorably pointed out by Hunter S Thompson in a legendary article on that season's Superbowl. The Patriots, on the other hand, are more fun to watch than Brazil 1970. I can't quite remember a team in any sport being quite so consistently exhilarating.

Their 38-35 win over the New York Giants last weekend not only gave them the unbeaten record, it also left them with the all-time record points tally. Meanwhile, quarterback Tom Brady's fourth-quarter touchdown pass to wide receiver Randy Moss was a double whammy which left Brady with the record for touchdowns thrown in a season and Moss with the one for touchdowns received.

For good measure, the record was achieved on the team's most difficult night of the season. An inspired Giants team led 28-16 at one stage, the biggest lead any team held over the Patriots all season. It didn't make any difference to the boys from Boston who once more swashbuckled their way to victory.

The good news, if you've fallen behind on your NFL viewing, is that the Patriots now go into the play-offs. There is always the possibility of an upset against the likes of reigning champions Indianapolis Colts, but Brady and the Patriots are famous for actually moving up a gear at the business end of the season, hence their three Superbowl victories in 2002, 2004 and 2005.

Do yourself a favour and watch them in action. Because when a team is this good, they transcend the boundaries of the actual game they're playing and become the property of everyone who appreciates excellence and beauty.

- Eamonn Sweeney

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 08, 2008, 05:00:24 PM
Roger Clemens filed a deformation suit against former trainer yesterday. He did a live interview on ESPN (i think) where he played a recorded transcript of a taped telephone call he had with trainer Brian McNamee. Its getting hot now boys.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3185494 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3185494)


Quote

Roger Clemens repeatedly denied using steroids during a telephone conversation with Brian McNamee, but the former trainer would not confirm or deny his claims.

On Monday in Houston, Clemens and his lawyer played a tape of a 17-minute conversation between the pitcher and trainer last week as Clemens continues his defense against allegations in the Mitchell report that he used performance-enhancing drugs.

McNamee told the Mitchell Commission that he injected the seven-time Cy Young Award winner with steroids and human growth hormone 16-21 times in 1998, 2000 and 2001. Clemens asserts that the trainer injected him with only the painkiller lidocaine and the vitamin B-12.


"For the life of me I'm trying to figure out why you told guys I did steroids," Clemens said to McNamee on the tape.

"I understand that," McNamee responded.

Over and over, Clemens makes statements like, "I just want the truth out there and like I said, I can't believe what is being said," and, "Just the stuff I'm reading and hearing, so much of it is untrue and it's just tearing everyone apart."

But McNamee never says that he lied to the Mitchell Commission regarding Clemens' alleged steroid use. He does repeatedly ask what he can do for Clemens -- 21 times to be exact.

"I'm telling the truth and I want it out there," Clemens said, and McNamee responded, "Tell me what you want me to do. I'll go to jail. I'll do whatever you want."

At no point in the conversation does McNamee say that he would be willing to say that Clemens did not take steroids, and Clemens does not ask him to.

Asked why Clemens never directly answered the "what do you want me to do" question, his attorney, Rusty Hardin, said:

"The last thing Roger wanted, just as we did, was any suggestion that we were trying to interfere or coerce a federal witness. So, yeah, all he kept saying [was] nothing. Except you hear him throughout saying, 'Tell the truth.'"

McNamee did not know the conversation was being recorded. Under state law in New York and Texas, only one party has to give consent for a phone conversation to be taped.

Richard Emery, one of McNamee's lawyers, told The New York Times on Monday that the tape is authentic, but he also expressed outrage that Clemens had taped the conversation.

"It's war now," he said, according to the newspaper. "This guy will stop at nothing."

McNamee is obviously distraught in the profanity-laced conversation. Saying his son is sick and that he has no money, McNamee added, "it is what it is, and it's not good. And I want it to go away. And I'm with you. I'm in your corner. I don't want this to happen. But I'd also like not to go to jail, too. But it has nothing to do with you."

Emery said Brian McNamee Jr., 10, has celiac disease, which damages the small intestine and interferes with absorption of nutrients from food.

"It's outrageous and disgusting for them to for their own cynical purposes, to perpetuate a continuing lie, to use this child and splay his disease and disability all over the press for the world to know," Emery said. "It just shows they'll go to any lengths."

As for his money problems, McNamee said: "I'm not doing a book deal. I got offered seven figures to go on TV. I didn't do it. I didn't take it. I didn't do anything. All I did was what I thought was right -- I never thought it was right, but I thought that I had no other choice, put it that way."

McNamee says a number of times that he would "like to sit down in person with you."

Clemens does not agree to meet, instead saying, "Just give me a little time."

Another of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, told Andrew Marchand of ESPN 1050 radio in New York that "the tape adds absolutely nothing."

He also said that McNamee will not speak again until he testifies Jan. 16 to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

As for his reaction to learning that McNamee had spoken with Clemens, Ward said, "I was surprised. I wasn't pleased."

After the tape was played, Hardin said Clemens was willing to speak to Congress. Clemens and McNamee were invited to Washington to testify.

Clemens' former teammates Andy Pettitte and Chuck Knoblauch also have been asked to testify. Pettitte hired Jay Reisinger, the lawyer who represented Sammy Sosa before the committee three years ago.

Kirk Radomski also was asked to appear before the committee. In the Mitchell report, McNamee said he obtained the drugs he used to inject Clemens from the former Mets clubhouse attendant or Clemens supplied them.

"I'm going to Congress and I'm going to tell the truth," Clemens said. "I'm going to tell everything that I know about the situations and steroids and anything else that I have knowledge about, which isn't a lot."

The committee planned to ask Clemens' representatives for the complete recording of the telephone conversation played at the news conference, said Karen Lightfoot, communications director for the panel's chairman, California Democrat Henry Waxman.

Laying out a timeline of events, Hardin said on Monday that they did find out before the release of the Mitchell report that McNamee had made incriminating statements about Clemens. They decided not to respond, Hardin said, because it was not clear if the report would name names.


  • EnlargeAP Photo/David J. Phillip


Roger Clemens, left, and his lawyer, Rusty Hardin listen to the tape.

They also had another hope.

"Roger thought that since it was so untrue, perhaps Brian McNamee would change his mind," Hardin said.

The New York Daily News also reported on Monday that days before the scheduled release of the Mitchell report, Clemens' investigators asked McNamee whether he would be willing to recant.

McNamee reportedly called Clemens and Pettitte to warn them that he had spoken to the government. During an interview on "60 Minutes" which aired on Sunday night, Clemens denied knowing that he would be named by Mitchell.

McNamee said during the call to Clemens that in 2004 he warned Jim Murray, who works for Clemens' agents, to be prepared for a link to Radomski to come out.

"Any suggestion by Brian McNamee that he gave the name of Kirk Radomski to anyone at our firm is erroneous," Hendricks Sports Management said in a statement.

Clemens filed a defamation lawsuit against McNamee Sunday night in Harris County District Court in Texas, listing 15 alleged statements McNamee made to Mitchell. Clemens claimed the statements were "untrue and defamatory."

"We are ready to go to Congress and we are ready to countersue," Ward said, adding that they will first try to get Clemens' suit thrown out before they decide for sure if they will sue.

Also Sunday, McNamee told SI.com that Clemens was "in no way an abuser of steroids."

"He took them in late July, August, and never for more than four to six weeks max," he was quoted as saying. "Within the culture of what was going on, he was just a small part of it. A lot of guys did it. You can't take away the work Roger did. You can't take away the fact that he worked out as hard as anybody."

Hardin said he is recommending that Clemens not take a lie-detector test.

"I think he's the one guy who could probably beat the test," McNamee told SI.com. "He might actually believe that he's telling the truth."

Monday was the first time Clemens answered questions from a group of reporters.

His anger at reporters for the way he has been portrayed was clear when he mentioned the Hall of Fame. There has been speculation that the allegations in the Mitchell report would hurt his chances for induction.

"Do you think I played my career because I care about the Hall of Fame? … If you have a vote … you keep your vote," he said and walked off shortly afterward.

Clemens angrily denied taking performance-enhancing drugs on Sunday as well. His appearance came after weeks of criticism that he wasn't publicly denying the allegations.

Hardin said on Monday the legal team told the pitcher to wait.

"We knew that once this came out, there would surely be congressional hearings," Hardin said.

Hardin also wanted to make clear that Clemens and his legal team were not questioning the integrity of former senator George Mitchell.

"We are not making any allegations of misconduct by the government or the Mitchell Commission," he said.

On Monday, Mitchell said the characterization of the interview as a 'Cold War interrogation,' in which McNamee was read a statement and asked to confirm it, was false, according to the New York Daily News.


"At the outset of each of the interviews, the federal law enforcement officials told McNamee that he should just tell the truth and warned him that he faced criminal jeopardy if he made any false statements," Mitchell said, according to the Daily News. "Also at each of the interviews, I told him that all I asked of him was the truth, nothing more and nothing less. He said that he understood and would comply.

"Occasionally, members of my investigative staff or some of the federal law enforcement officials who were present asked questions or sought clarification. There was no 'Cold War era' reading of McNamee's prior statements by any federal official, as alleged," Mitchell said, according to the Daily News.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
he's guilty
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2008, 09:58:23 PM
he's guilty

......as sin. Trainer does not really have anything to gain from lying.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 09, 2008, 01:13:03 AM
he's guilty

After watching 60 minutes, Id agree.
After watching his ESPN press conference, im not so sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 09, 2008, 02:11:19 AM
he's guilty

 Those are dangerous words around here these days lads ::) :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 09, 2008, 10:57:08 AM
Just wondering lads has any one here ever been to a play off game or even the superbowl or is that just mission impossible?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2008, 11:07:42 AM
Your man on TV3 who does the sport was talking about the NFL last night and the lead up to the superbowl.  Cant wait for the weekend until the New England Patriots take on the Jacksonville Tigers as New England want to get to their first Superbowl in two years... ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
jaguars?!

would love nothing more than pats to reach the afc final and chargers to kick their a** (colts first of course!)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2008, 02:56:42 PM
Just wondering lads has any one here ever been to a play off game or even the superbowl or is that just mission impossible?

Considering the last 2 Superbowls were played in stadia smaller than croker, and the population difference, I'd say its very difficult to get tickets. Would do anything to go to a Superbowl or Championship game.

I reckon Jaguars have a good shot at the pats. They have the best running game in the league, and David Gerrard is a great QB. But they'll have to have a flawless game and their D will need to be immense. Anyone know what the lowest the Pats have scored in a game this season?

On a side note, from a sporting point of view, Boston seems to be the place to be. Three major American trophies could be heading that way this year, I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 09, 2008, 02:58:48 PM
Just wondering lads has any one here ever been to a play off game or even the superbowl or is that just mission impossible?

Considering the last 2 Superbowls were played in stadia smaller than croker, and the population difference, I'd say its very difficult to get tickets. Would do anything to go to a Superbowl or Championship game.

I reckon Jaguars have a good shot at the pats. They have the best running game in the league, and David Gerrard is a great QB. But they'll have to have a flawless game and their D will need to be immense. Anyone know what the lowest the Pats have scored in a game this season?

On a side note, from a sporting point of view, Boston seems to be the place to be. Three major American trophies could be heading that way this year, I think.

Id say they have the best shot of most of the teams left, however - If you give Bill Belichick 2 weeks preparation and a flawless injury roster I would be very very scared for the jags. The man is a perfectionist machine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2008, 03:03:54 PM
Anyone know what the lowest the Pats have scored in a game this season?

20 points vs the Jets in Week 15
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 09, 2008, 03:10:52 PM
Had the pats home field advantage the years they won the superbowls?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2008, 03:20:10 PM
of the 3 times they won the AFC Championship game - only one was held in New England - the other 2 were in Pittsburgh
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 09, 2008, 03:25:30 PM
I've been to playoff games in New York, in baseball and football, its really not that difficult to source the tickets, the problem can be the price. There are state laws about how much over the odds you can pay but they just don't seem to be enforced. If you're willing to pay you can get tickets on stubhub or ebay.
Of course the corporate ticket is the easiest answer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2008, 03:27:20 PM
I've been to a play-off NBA and NHL game

although hegan thinks NHL isn't a proper American sport  ???
Title: Superbowl in London
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2008, 05:17:15 PM
Anyone going to be around London for the Superbowl?? last year we went to Cheers, its was deadly, got fairly hammered that night. Couldnt remember the second half, had to ask me cousin the next morning, "the Colts did win right". Made the mistake of wearing a Buffalo Bills jersey(im not a fan) , got the piss taken out of me by everyone.

Chances of getting into Superbash are slim, its a lottery on NFLUK. But if you cant get to that, Cheers is good. Anyone know of any other places around London that have something on for the Superbowl?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 09, 2008, 05:35:39 PM
Quote
although hegan thinks NHL isn't a proper American sport

NHL = 2D hurling with girly pads and misshapen hurls played on ice ffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
jaguars?!

would love nothing more than pats to reach the afc final and chargers to kick their a** (colts first of course!)

Yes I know, I'm just pointing out the mistakes that your man on TV3 made last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 06:13:24 PM
dead on thought you knew!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 12, 2008, 12:58:21 PM
what about them pats tonight? vegas has them at 1/6 to win the superbowl. cant touch them at that price..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 09:42:28 PM
bad start for Green Bay :o
Seattle 7
Green Bay 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 09:44:01 PM
Turned it over again :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 09:52:44 PM
Seattle 14
Green Bay 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
TD Green Bay Farve looks good!
Seattle 14
Green Bay 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 10:22:33 PM
TD Green Bay! Grant makes amends for his two fumbles, Great game :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2008, 11:11:39 PM
best 1st half in a long long time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyrone exile on January 12, 2008, 11:29:04 PM
Td green bay
17-35
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 12:21:23 AM
If the patriots game tonight is as good as this one, Ill be a rich, I mean happy man.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyrone exile on January 13, 2008, 01:45:53 AM
 :D well i cant see any kind of upset in that game!
that should never been a touchdown for jacksonville
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 13, 2008, 03:05:37 AM
You hav to love that 'statue of liberty' play for Welker's Td. Patriots 21 Jaguars 14
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 04:11:30 AM
Beautiful day at the sports book for Puck.

The packers and seagulls took the packers and the over

Jaguars Vs Patriots took the jags (+14) and the over.

50$ parlay at 10-1.

Now I got some money to lose tomorrow on those two ugly games. Colts -9 against the chargers and the cowboys -7.5 against the giants?


Can anyone reasonably pick either of those?   ???


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 13, 2008, 10:26:46 AM
Take the over and Indy.

or

Indy and NYG   Romo tends to fold under pressure right now(short career).

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 03:46:34 PM
Im definitely looking at the over, but I cant give any team -9 points against LT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 03:58:26 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 13, 2008, 03:59:46 PM
Have the Giants and the Chargers taken! Hoping for two tight matches. Impressed with Green Bay yesterday not so much with New England although it says alot about them that they can still win so easily.
Giants got to test TO s ankle early, Cowboys not the same without him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 04:16:25 PM
Have the Giants and the Chargers taken! Hoping for two tight matches. Impressed with Green Bay yesterday not so much with New England although it says alot about them that they can still win so easily.
Giants got to test TO s ankle early, Cowboys not the same without him!


Well If your name didnt give it away - that did the trick right there ;)


O'Neill you think the chargers are going to win it outright, or cover a 9 point spread?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 06:11:12 PM
so sports fans, did tom brady sell the dive to pick up a 15yd penalty in the 3rd quarter?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 06:57:35 PM

O'Neill you think the chargers are going to win it outright, or cover a 9 point spread?

Ach I've been a Chargers fan from around 1990. Realistically, this game could be their Everest - though I still have a dream they'll take out the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:09:57 PM
anyone know where to watch it online?

myp2p.eu not workin!!

just watchin nfl game centre
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Square Ball on January 13, 2008, 07:11:35 PM
Beautiful day at the sports book for Puck.

The packers and seagulls took the packers and the over

Jaguars Vs Patriots took the jags (+14) and the over.

50$ parlay at 10-1.

Now I got some money to lose tomorrow on those two ugly games. Colts -9 against the chargers and the cowboys -7.5 against the giants?


Can anyone reasonably pick either of those?   ???




what is and the over, is a parley a double?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Square Ball on January 13, 2008, 07:16:14 PM
the chargers v colts game is on myp2p http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=4648&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=4648&part=sports)

watching it on Ohio Sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Square Ball on January 13, 2008, 07:17:18 PM
sopcast channel 39130
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:20:34 PM
says 39130 not valid and for some reason cant access through myp2p keeps going to soccer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:22:31 PM
got it cheers square ball wasnt the same watchin on nfl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:30:03 PM
RAGING

 >:( >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 07:37:08 PM
despite a poor 1st half I fancy indy. Chargers D are playing brilliantly. Fair play to manning for the tackle on the interception, it was ballsy. Harrison looks rusty, interesting 2nd half ahead. Chargers running is excellent. More evenly matched than I thought...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
what a throw, peyton who?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 07:56:07 PM
Chargers have played a strong 4th quarter this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 07:59:05 PM
manning has had 2 tipped passes intercepted, nasty
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:00:47 PM
...on the 2 yrd line. First time the Chargers Defence looked helpless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 08:03:06 PM
colts just lost the defensive player of the year- my guess broken arm, I've seen that look before on my own arm.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:20:57 PM
Great atmosphere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:23:03 PM
Did LD start?

SD 21 Colts 17

End of 3rd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 13, 2008, 08:25:47 PM
Great atmosphere.

the place is hopping.. some game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
LT?

injured in 2nd i think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:34:20 PM
SD hanging on it seems. Colts look more likely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 08:45:22 PM
Parlay is like an accumulator - where all bets need to come in. 3 out of 4 is no good.
The over is the combined score of both teams in the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 13, 2008, 08:49:27 PM
anywhere on line i could watch the giants game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:58:16 PM
Can't take this.

SD 28 Colts 24. 5 mins.

No Rivers nor LT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 09:10:07 PM
2 minutes and looks like chargers have it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 13, 2008, 09:17:05 PM
Game over, chargers hav it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
Yahooooo!!

No pressure next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 09:22:17 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

unreal game!to win without rivers (who was immense while on) and LT is brilliant!!!

now for Revenge!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
Bolts v Cheats next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 13, 2008, 09:24:36 PM
Bolts v Cheats next week.
ooo, harsh!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 09:26:07 PM
It's in NE?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2008, 09:28:08 PM
It's in NE?

Yep, Pats (AFC) and Cowboys (NFC) have homefield advantage for duration of playoffs due to having best regular season record in respective conferences.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 13, 2008, 09:29:57 PM
Patriots will be happy with that. Chargers and Colts beat the hell out of each other. Some walking wounded amongst the Chargers.

How big a tool is Rivers though? Mouthing off to the fans at the end. Roaring abuse at Jay Cutler a few weeks ago. That fella can't keep his gob shut.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 09:32:50 PM
id say the line was takin some abuse, all the same shouldn't hav bothered with them!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 09:34:08 PM
strange one but...

anyone know where to watch nfl in pas de la casa andorra??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2008, 09:37:10 PM
id say the line was takin some abuse, all the same shouldn't hav bothered with them!
As does every travelling team each week in the NFL......He is a tool.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 13, 2008, 09:56:05 PM
Patriots will be happy with that. Chargers and Colts beat the hell out of each other. Some walking wounded amongst the Chargers.

How big a tool is Rivers though? Mouthing off to the fans at the end. Roaring abuse at Jay Cutler a few weeks ago. That fella can't keep his gob shut.

hes a muppet..

Bolts v Cheats next week.

bolts v perfection you mean
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 10:29:36 PM
The record is perfecr by fair means or foul...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2008, 11:05:52 PM
compromise then

Bolts vs  Perfect Cheats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2008, 11:15:02 PM
another good first half

the games have all been excellent so far this weekend
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 14, 2008, 12:21:17 AM
and finally the giants sack romo...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 14, 2008, 12:28:24 AM
Stayed away from the football games.

Put a little money on the NBA instead. Should be a half decent evening watching ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 14, 2008, 12:51:10 AM
yet another great game... well done the giants, romo took some beating in the last quarter. delighted to see jerry jones crestfallen face at the end..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 14, 2008, 12:56:12 AM
Next weekend.

Chargers @ Patriots

Giants @ Packers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 14, 2008, 12:57:45 AM
In fairness, the Giants stole that they were outplayed the entire game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 14, 2008, 01:07:22 AM
In fairness, the Giants stole that they were outplayed the entire game...

Bollocks. I backed both winners today. The pack are hosting the NFC championship game next week and we have been offered four grand to give up the house for next weekend as we live ten minutes from lambeau.

The cheats are going to the superbowl as are the pack. The pats will win it but it will be very close.

Heganboy, the giants won despite several home town calls and I am delighted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 14, 2008, 01:20:31 AM
stew, I am delighted the Giants won too, however the number of dropped passes that the Cowboys had in wide open space was unreal. Giants D put no pressure on Romo the entire first half. Manning's second scoring drive was fantastic (the 48 second run). However Dallas controlled the ball (due in no small part to the injuries the Giants D picked up) and Barber had a stormer.

Looking forward to the Green Bay match up.

If you don't like the Pats (like me for example) I think that Green Bay have a better chance of stopping them than NYG however the Coughlin decision to go full barrel after the pats in the last game of the season could pay off in spades if they get them in the Superbowl. 2 Mannings in a row?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 14, 2008, 04:04:24 AM
Two months ago people in New York were dispairing of Manning ever maturing into a reliable, mature quarterback. Its amazing how quickly things can change!

Great win for the Giants. The defense had to put in some serious overtime, but Manning came up with the opportunities when they mattered. Romo looked like he was about to lose it completely in the fourth quarter, especially after he threw the ball out of play when no one was near him! Its fairly certain that Favre and, presumably Brady, will be a bit better in their decision making when the pressure is on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 14, 2008, 05:30:11 AM

  Have to agree, it's Brady's to lose now at this point, can't say I'd be too
 disappointed being that he's a home town boy an all.
 Surprised at the begrudging surrounding the Pats, a finely oiled machine
 that will stop at nothing to beat that dolphin's record and fair play to them imo!
 I was looking for a Jax win myself but they simply weren't good enough and i can't
 see the chargers getting it done either especially with injuries staring them in the face now.
 It would be great to see Favre pick up another one but he'd have it all to do..
 Giants - Pats superbowl i think!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 14, 2008, 09:31:48 AM
TO - Greenbay will win the NFC I think.

If they do, and they can keep it close in the superbowl, anything can happen down the stretch with favre. He needs to not force it and he will do well. In addition, Green Bay have the defensive backs to put a little squeeze on the Pats reveivers. Anything can happen, but thats how I see it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2008, 10:30:33 AM
yet another great game... well done the giants, romo took some beating in the last quarter. delighted to see jerry jones crestfallen face at the end..

Surgically enhanced crestfallen face. Cowboys picked a bad time of the year to start playing garbage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 14, 2008, 02:22:26 PM
All Hail Tom Brady... All Hail New England Patriots.. :D

The Chargers will be a tough match-up. A very different team to the one that NE beat 38-14 earlier this year. Revenge is on the Chargers side, but the Pats O-line will relish another chance to shut LT up again if he plays.

Perfection here we come....

Kudos to Brett Favre and the Pack. Also to the Giants, I agree with the previous poster who said it was great to see Jerry Jones' crestfallen mug after the game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 14, 2008, 02:31:45 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2008, 02:47:57 PM
Great games this weekend. A few random thoughts.

Green Bay v New York Giants. In the Frozen Tundra, (great to see the snow piling down like that. Old-school) I would expect Favre to pick the Giant's secondary apart. The Pack are young and psyched, and Favre is used to being knocked around, so even if Umenyura (sp?), Strahan and co get pressure/sacks/hits in on him, he won't implode like Romo did. Favre is an old-stlye, smack them in the mouth and then tap them on the arse type player. Also the experience of bouncing back from two nightmares in the opening two possesions will stand to Grant, who really looks like a galloping tailback. The Giant's secondary is banged up, and I couldn't believe that Witten and Owens didn't get more of the ball. Favre will make sure the likes of Driver and Jennings are given a chance to exploit matchups. Manning is playing good, safe, football. That's vital in the playoffs, but the likes of Bigby, Woodson, Harris and Pickett will be teeing up on the Giant's receivers all day. If the Giant's can run the ball through Jacobs and Bradshaw and can control the clock, keeping Favre cooling his jets on the sideline, then Favre might start taking risks out of impatience, but if the Packers defence can force Manning into throwing the ball, and can eliminate the 6 and 7 minute drives, even if they give up a few scores, I think the Pack are back.

Green Bay by 6


New England Patriots v San Diego Chargers

Great performance and victory by the Chargers on Sunday, but at what cost? It seems cruel that with Lorenzo Neal approaching fitness again, they may lose Philip Rivers and LeDanian Tomlinson. You can score on this Patriots' defence, as the Giants and Jaguars have shown, but it's a big ask to score enough to beat them in Foxboro without LT and the Mouth Rivers. Billy Volek was great in a bad situation on Sunday, but can anybody really see him leading a team to a playoff win in New England? Antonio Gates should be a bit fitter next weekend, and Chris Chambers and Jackson are a legitimate threat in the air. I just can't see them scoring enough. Big game for Junior Seau in fairness, playing against the team he's going to be representing in the Hall of Fame.

New England by 11
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 14, 2008, 04:18:17 PM
Great weekend of games. Delighted for the Giants, though I worry for them next weekend. Manning is slowly coming into his own, well done to the Chargers showing they can get it done without Rivers(whats his problem) and LT. I think next week will be the end of the line for both of them. Didnt see the 2nd half of the pats-jags game, was drunk and tired. Like AZ said i reckon Farve wont craic under the pressure from Strahan and Umenyura. and playing in the snow will suit the packers though New YOrks not exactly sun baked either. The Giants have kept winning on the road and that alone is impressive. And winning against a strong offense like Dallas with back-up-back-up secondary.

I think this has been a great NFL season, by the way. lot of good games and no shortage of surprises. If Favre gets a Hollywood ending to his career it would be great. or even Strahan, who will probably call it a day after this season.

And what about the futures of Tony Dungy (likely retirment)? Payton Manning( i think his contract is up), Chad Johnson (who said he wants to be on a potential Superbowl team, envious of Moss and TO I'd say, though whether he takes a pay cut and joins a winning team or goes wherever the money is will tell you where his real priorities lie)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2008, 04:26:19 PM
I'm sure Manning will be designated a Franchise player. i can't see the Colts allowing him to leave.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 14, 2008, 06:52:00 PM
Great games this weekend. A few random thoughts.

Green Bay v New York Giants. In the Frozen Tundra, (great to see the snow piling down like that. Old-school)

cant beat football in the snow az, theres some snow at the end of this clip of the pack/seattle game



http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=TUPgtl737N0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2008, 06:54:05 PM
Early weather forecast for Green Bay at the weekend

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 12.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 14, 2008, 08:30:08 PM
Anyone see Terrell Owens after the game? ;D

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mow7gXW0uog&feature=related (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mow7gXW0uog&feature=related)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 14, 2008, 08:49:37 PM
Up his hole  :D :D
Him and his mate Clayton done some mouthing last week about the Giants! Wonder what they have to say today?
And now must go lift my money ;D

Have the Giants and the Chargers taken! Hoping for two tight matches. Impressed with Green Bay yesterday not so much with New England although it says alot about them that they can still win so easily.
Giants got to test TO s ankle early, Cowboys not the same without him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 14, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
Early weather forecast for Green Bay at the weekend

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 12.

That's 12 Fahrenheit, I presume? ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 14, 2008, 10:00:48 PM
New York is hopping today over the Giants. Most of the area teams have been utter shite of late (the Knicks are losing 3/4 of their games; the Mets imploded in the last two weeks of the season; the Yankees can't make any headway in the playoffs; the less said about the Jets, the better!), so this result was a big deal in the city. Should be good craic next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2008, 10:10:10 PM
Early weather forecast for Green Bay at the weekend

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 12.

That's 12 Fahrenheit, I presume? ;D

correct
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 15, 2008, 09:25:52 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/canepa/20080115-9999-1s15canepa.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/canepa/20080115-9999-1s15canepa.html)

one for the bolts fan, think that you and me oneill
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 15, 2008, 09:50:17 PM
And no better wemen:

http://www.chargers.com/charger_girls/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on January 16, 2008, 10:45:27 AM

And what about the futures of Tony Dungy (likely retirment)? Payton Manning( i think his contract is up), Chad Johnson (who said he wants to be on a potential Superbowl team, envious of Moss and TO I'd say, though whether he takes a pay cut and joins a winning team or goes wherever the money is will tell you where his real priorities lie)

The Bengals can't afford to let Johnson go because they would take a big hit on the salary cap. I think Johnson is also pissed off the Bengals are drawing up a big contract for Houshmandzadeh and his nose seems to be put out of joint that he isn't getting enough love from the Bengals staff and the fans. As a Bengals fan I hope he stays but if he is traded some team is going to have to give up plenty for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
The Colts would be a good fit for #85. He wants to play on a championship calibre team, and the Colts are thin enough at Wide Receiver, especially if Harrison is starting to break down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 16, 2008, 10:51:48 AM
The saints badly need 1 as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 16, 2008, 10:53:36 AM
i'm hoping its a pats v greenbay final would love to see brady v's farve , Is Favre still on a contract next year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2008, 11:02:07 AM
There was talk of a few weeks back of Bengals trading Johnson to the Broncos for Javon Walker, the Broncos would certainly get the best of that trade if it happened. Johnson may be a mouth but he does produce every year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on January 16, 2008, 11:38:08 AM
CJ definitely won't be traded this year. He knows that himself. It is another typical soundbite to the media. Chad craves attention and with the Bengals not involved in the post-season he is not getting the platform to be in the spotlight.

As I said before there is no way the Bengals will trade Chad due the salary cap situation.

However, you can any other of the Johnsons on our team if you want  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Besides, if he really wanted a Championship calibre team, he's not going to go to Denver. but your probably right he's looking for attention.

But with the problems the Bengals have on Defense i doubt they'll be getting to the play-off too soon. pity becuase i really like their offense, CJ, TJ and Palmer are formidable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on January 16, 2008, 01:26:21 PM
Besides, if he really wanted a Championship calibre team, he's not going to go to Denver. but your probably right he's looking for attention.

But with the problems the Bengals have on Defense i doubt they'll be getting to the play-off too soon. pity becuase i really like their offense, CJ, TJ and Palmer are formidable

The good thing is the defense can't get any worse. They have a new defensive co-ordinator and a promising young secondary so if they can pull out a couple of good defensive linemen and keep their linebackers off the treatment table (perhaps even getting Thurman back from suspension) they should be fit to mount a better challenge in the next few years. There are no great teams in the AFC North so any of the 4 teams could conceivably win the division next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2008, 01:39:15 PM
Besides, if he really wanted a Championship calibre team, he's not going to go to Denver. but your probably right he's looking for attention.

But with the problems the Bengals have on Defense i doubt they'll be getting to the play-off too soon. pity becuase i really like their offense, CJ, TJ and Palmer are formidable

In fairness a lot of players will use the following criteria for moving teams, (1) Money (2) talent of team, in that order.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 16, 2008, 05:37:08 PM
The Dolphins get their man - Tony Sparano  (http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/top_story.asp?contentID=5636)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 17, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
UK GETS ANOTHER NFL GAME 2008!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://www.nfluk.com/news-display.php?id=2867

lets hope they get 2 good teams and they sort the pitch out this time.
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Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2008, 08:47:22 PM
Yeee-Haw. Deadly. I hope that between London and Germany there is at least 1 game in europe every season. Great stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2008, 09:19:40 PM
Great news, there will be another scramble for tickets no doubt. There would need to be two competitive teams though, no more Miami's please......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2008, 10:55:56 PM
4 Questions: Chargers right on schedule
By Michael Silver,

They just had completed one of the best regular seasons in NFL history, securing home-field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs while cultivating a healthy swagger. "We really feel like this is our year," Pro Bowl running back Jerome Bettis told me late in the 2004 season. "The Super Bowl goes through Pittsburgh."

What went down in Steeltown three years ago doesn't necessarily mean that the Chargers can start getting their Super Bowl rings fitted, but the heavy underdogs in Sunday's AFC championship game at least can take comfort in recent historical precedent.

Once the '04 postseason began, the 15-1 Pittsburgh Steelers suddenly looked choppy and flat. They sweated out a couple of Doug Brien missed field goals to eke out an overtime victory over the New York Jets in the divisional round, then got blown off Heinz Field by the New England Patriots in the AFC championship game, continuing an extended run of playoff futility.

If they couldn't win a Super Bowl that year, many cynics reasoned, those Steelers as we knew them would never get it done.

A year later, it was all set up for the Indianapolis Colts, who won their first 13 games to lock up the AFC's top seed. But in Indy's first playoff game, the Colts were stunned by a No. 6 seed, an upstart which barely had snuck into the playoffs. That spoiler, which would go on to win a third consecutive postseason game on the road before capturing Super Bowl XL? The previously written-off Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Colts, mired in a long run of postseason disappointments, seemed to have missed their best chance for a championship.

In '06 the pattern continued: The Chargers rolled to a league-best 14-2 record and locked up the No. 1 seed. In their first game they blew a lead and got stung by the Patriots, who in turn lost the AFC championship game – to the eventual Super Bowl champion Colts.

Does this mean the Chargers will take down the 17-0 Patriots in Foxborough on Sunday and go on to capture their first Super Bowl championship? With its three most important offensive skill players banged up and one of the most formidable foes in league history blocking its path, San Diego will need an exceptional effort to get it done.

Even if the Patriots prevail, however, we once again are witnessing a team that seems to be peaking a year later than we expected. By pulling out a stunning 28-24 divisional-round victory over the Colts at the RCA Dome last Sunday, the Chargers undid a reputation as "frontrunners" who "don't rise to the occasion."

While most of the rest of us wondered how a team that had struggled so mightily through the season's first 10 games was capable of such a macho performance, the Chargers' players were far less surprised. To them, they finally had lived up to the obvious potential they'd displayed a year earlier, when they went into every game from the middle of the season on expecting to win.

"It means nothing to be in the AFC championship game," outside linebacker Shaun Phillips said after the victory over the Colts. "It means something to win it. Yes, we thought we were going to be in this spot from Week 1 until now. We've got the best team in the league. We got off to a slow start, but everybody needs time to get things rolling."

I'm not sure why three consecutive presumed powers have taken an extra year to achieve the anticipated postseason success, but I do have a few theories:

• In this age of real-time hype and unprecedented media overkill, some players – particularly younger ones – are increasingly susceptible to buying into an aura of invincibility that doesn't exist in today's NFL. In our breathless urge to coronate champions in March, August and October (and, conversely, to write off teams after one shaky performance), perhaps we also cultivate a complacent mindset in some of the men who play the game. I know it may sound somewhat far-fetched, but it is human nature to lose one's edge when overly praised – and football is a physically and mentally taxing sport in which even the slightest subconscious letdown can translate into a missed tackle or extra yard.

• Having stared into the abyss, all three of these teams approached their next postseason opportunities with a discernible lack of fear. In other words, because they had dealt with defeats that were almost universally viewed as calamitous, the players in question didn't seem overly stressed about the potential ramifications of an encore performance. The '05 Steelers were aggressive and focused in winning three road games to get to the Super Bowl. The '06 Colts confronted their biggest nightmare – the prospect of yet another playoff elimination by the Patriots, who jumped out to a 21-3 lead in the AFC championship game – and were unblinkingly poised in completing a dramatic comeback. This year's Chargers trailed at halftime in their playoff opener and came back to defeat the Titans. Several people who spent time around the team in Indy each used the same word to describe the players' mood: loose. The Chargers certainly seemed that way as they pulled out a victory over the Colts that featured six lead changes. If they lose at New England on Sunday, it won't be because they're overwhelmed by the magnitude of the moment.

• In each case, the quarterback learned that he didn't have to carry the team for it to have success. Thrust unexpectedly into the starting lineup as a rookie in '04, the Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger smartly executed a conservative scheme that put the onus on the team's veteran skill players and punishing defense – until the playoffs, when he admittedly tried to do too much. A year later, Big Ben didn't force many passes in the postseason and ended up winning the Super Bowl despite playing one of his worst statistical games. For all of Peyton Manning's prolific performances prior to '06, he also won a championship after understanding the importance of playing a subordinate role at key times. Indy's running game and defense were the driving forces in two of its first three postseason triumphs in '06. Now, the Chargers' Philip Rivers, a second-year starter, is on a hot streak that began after he seemed to stop pressing in trying to pull the team out of an early-season funk. He also has diversified his approach to playing the position: Last season Rivers struggled down the stretch as the pressure mounted and seemed overly locked in on halfback LaDainian Tomlinson and tight end Antonio Gates. Thus far in the '07 playoffs, Rivers has spread the ball around to his wideouts and seems more willing and able to get the ball to the open man.

With all of that said, this year's Patriots are the exception to every rule, and it's tough to imagine that this curious run of belated No. 1 seed success will continue. If New England wins on Sunday, I will conclude that while these theories may have some validity, another of my time-tested tenets – never bet against Tom Brady in a big game – carries far more weight.

Either way, in light of what went down last Sunday, watch out for the 2008 Dallas Cowboys.

AND THEN THERE WERE FOUR

Speaking of the Cowboys, it pains me to note that there likely will be no more handy-dandy Jessica Simpson references in this regular Wednesday feature, at least until it resumes sometime over the offseason. I'll miss her, along with Mike Holmgren's snow-drenched 'stache and my relentless Pro Bowl campaign for Fred Taylor, who blessedly will go to Hawaii after all.

I'll also dearly miss those emails from people in Dallas and Indy debating which team rightfully should be No. 2 in my rankings.

Now, for our quartet of survivors:

1. New England Patriots: Isn't it about time for their amazing offensive line to get another national TV commercial?

2. Green Bay Packers: If Brett Favre does it again on Sunday, will it magically start snowing in Glendale, Ariz., on Feb. 3?

3. San Diego Chargers: What are the odds that Philip Rivers and Rodney Harrison have a couple of heartfelt "conversations" at Gillette Stadium on Sunday?

4. New York Giants: Will Tony Romo be nicknaming their defensive line "The Paparazzi"?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 18, 2008, 01:53:02 PM
An unbelievable goal from last night

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9wk_wuWmJRs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 19, 2008, 07:27:15 PM
Back favourites to reach Superbowl XLII

A re-run of the 1997 Superbowl looms as New England and Green Bay aim for Phoenix
Paolo Bandini



And then there were four. The gridiron feast that is divisional play-off weekend is behind us, and now we reach the business end of proceedings - starting with Sunday's Conference Championship games. Last week the NFC's top seed and the AFC's second seed were beaten on their own turf, but the latest odds suggest few people are expecting a repeat of such upsets this time around. Here are my predictions:

San Diego Chargers @ New England Patriots

In the week of Kevin Keegan's return to Newcastle on this side of the Atlantic, what could be more fitting than the Chargers travelling to New England for the AFC Championship game Stateside? After the Patriots took them down in the divisional play-offs last year, the Chargers would love it, just love it, if they could derail the Patriots' perfect season. The Patriots-Colts rivalry may be more widely feted, but make no mistake - these two teams have a serious distaste for one another.

The Chargers were cut deep by last season's defeat. Entering the play-offs with a league-best 14-2 record, San Diego blew a seven-point, fourth-quarter lead against New England to lose 24-21, despite having intercepted Tom Brady three times. Several Chargers players accused the Patriots of taunting them after the game, while running back Ladanian Tomlinson - normally one of the league's most softly-spoken and level-headed stars - had to be restrained as he railed at New England's players on the pitch. In post-game interviews he accused the Patriots of "a lack of class", saying they took their lead from head coach Bill Belichick.

But for all the previous between these two teams, the Chargers' hopes of springing a surprise will likely come down to far more mundane issues - most crucially injuries.

A full-strength Chargers team could at least give the Patriots a game. They may have been blown out by the Pats 38-14 in week two, but then they were still adjusting to new head coach Norv Turner, and have come on immeasurably to win 13 of their last 15 games (including play-offs) after a 1-3 start. In Tomlinson they have a running back who has proven he can run over better Belichick defences than this one; in Philip Rivers a quarterback who made the Pro Bowl last year; on defence their 48 takeaways led the league. They would need to be at their very best, and the Patriots would have to be below theirs, but an upset would not be inconceivable.

But the Chargers are not at full-strength. Rivers has sprained knee ligaments and is yet to train this week; tight end Antonio Gates - the club's leading receiver - played last week with a dislocated toe, but the injury is reported to have worsened; Tomlinson, although expected to play, will be limited by a hyperextended knee. Michael Turner and Darren Sproles provide talented depth at running back, but there are no such brilliant reserves behind Gates and Philips. Despite his impressive cameo last week, backup quarterback Billy Volek is a mediocre journeyman, and simply not going to beat a team that may be the greatest of the Super Bowl era.

Many more themes and factors could come into play - the success of San Diego's aggressive 3-4 in keeping Tom Brady under pressure; the performance of Randy Moss after a long-term acquaintance accused him of battery; the possibility of snow on the day of the game - but none will matter unless at least Rivers and Tomlinson can play - and play at close to their best. If not, the Chargers, just like Kevin, will surely find that sometimes wanting something just isn't enough.

Prediction: Chargers 24-35 Patriots

New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers

It's tempting to view this year's NFC Championship game as the tale of two quarterbacks. On the one hand Eli Manning - Peyton's much maligned kid brother; an inconsistent fourth year signal caller who is yet to convince many Giants fans he can live up to the family name. On the other hand Brett Favre - one of the NFL's greatest ever at the position; holder of innumerable passing records and one-time Super Bowl winner, and currently enjoying his best season, statistically speaking, since that championship year.

Both have defied expectations to reach this point - Manning by throwing four touchdowns during the Giants' final regular season game against the Patriots, and then turning in superlative back-to-back play-off performances; Favre by rebounding from two of the worst seasons of his career. On Sunday, however, something has to give.

The omens don't bode well for Eli. The weather forecast for the game currently has the temperature likely to be between -18 and -14°C at Lambeau Field, and for as much as Favre loves the cold, Eli seems to hate it. In the snow last week Favre threw for three touchdowns and recorded the best quarterback rating (137.6) he has ever achieved in a play-off game. Manning, on the other hand, has played six regular-season games in temperatures below 5°C, and put up an average rating of 58.6, completing less than half of his passes and mustering just four touchdowns.

Worse yet, the Giants are thin at cornerback following a spate of injuries. Aaron Ross returned to practice on Wednesday following the shoulder injury that hampered him in last week's win over the Dallas Cowboys, but Sam Madison and Kevin Dockery are yet to do so. If Favre manages to rein in the gung-ho instincts that sometimes persuade him to make ill-advised heaves down the field, he is capable of picking the Giants' depleted secondary apart, just as he did during the Packers' 35-13 rout of the Giants in week two.

Of course, the matchup isn't all about the two quarterbacks. The Giants' offence has been founded on its running game - their 134.2 yards per game were the fourth-highest in the league - and Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw will hope to play a central role against a Green Bay rush defence that is no better than average. Then again, the Giants' D will have their own hands full dealing with Ryan Grant, who racked up 201 yards in the snow last week against Seattle and might just have a chip on his shoulder after the Giants deemed him surplus to requirements when the Packers came knocking in preseason.

Giants fans might also point out that they're 9-1 on the road this season, their only loss having come against the Cowboys in week one, and even then only after quite a tussle.

Somehow, though, it's hard to shake the feeling that this one will be a bridge too far for Eli. Deprived of tight end Jeremy Shockey - his favourite target - since mid-December after the tight end broke his leg, Manning has begun to come out of his shell, to start spreading the ball about and to show that he might just have the talent to succeed in this league after all. But on an icy Sunday in Wisconsin he's going to miss the safety blanket Shockey provides. Favre, on the other hand, can generate the heat Green Bay need all on his own.

Prediction: Giants 10-27 Packers

From Guardian
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: HowdyDoody on January 19, 2008, 09:09:15 PM
Freezin here n boston
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 20, 2008, 09:02:44 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/croker-nfl-game-could-be-on-cards-1269662.html

Pittsburgh Steelers may be returning to Croker!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 07:47:26 PM
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
Charge!

We're coming your way,
We're gonna dazzle you with our super play.
The time has come,
You know we're shooting for number one.
With thunderbolts and lightning
We'll light up the sky,
We'll give it all we've got, and more
With the Super Charger try!

San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
Charge!

We've got a plan,
We're gonna do it for our super fans.
All we seek,
Is the goal line to victory.
We'll ignite you, excite you
With high voltage play.
We won't let up a minute,
We're going all the way - all the way!

San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
Charge!

We're coming your way
With the Super Chargers' play.
We're coming at you.
Now we're coming through!

San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
Charge!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on January 20, 2008, 08:02:47 PM
enjoy the matches lads!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 08:28:39 PM
No score, half way through 1st Q. No major plays yet. Gates and LT have set out some time already. Rivers seems to be playing freely. Brady disappointing so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2008, 08:48:14 PM
Kansas, Tampa, Seattle and New Orleans in contention to be home team in 2008 regular season game in UK.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 08:54:58 PM
End of 1Q  - SD 3 NE 0

Patriots touchdown start of 2nd 7-3.

LT still on line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 09:03:48 PM
7-6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 20, 2008, 09:18:53 PM
4-6 now

Chargers need a TD before the end of the half as the Pats get the ball first in the 3rd quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
I would get that tube Rivers out of there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 09:30:08 PM
Rivers having a stinker alright but the game is still their for the taking! Come on Chargers!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 09:52:17 PM
I'd still stick with Rivers for the 3rd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:05:43 PM
14-12.

SD can't seem to score TDs in the Red.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 10:18:48 PM
Interception! ;D This could be a big drive now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:19:24 PM
Brady's been intercepted 2 or 3 times now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:20:37 PM
cant believe what i'm watching, sd can actually win this game. brady just intercepted for the 3 time, hope it doesnt fall apart now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 10:20:59 PM
And hes throwing under no real pressure but the coverage is good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
anyone know the weather in green bay today?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 10:23:22 PM
 Rivers is frustrating to watch >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:24:35 PM
anyone know the weather in green bay today?

1 degree. Windchill -25. No snow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:26:05 PM
anyone know the weather in green bay today?

1 degree. Windchill -25. No snow.

that'll hurt!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hardstation on January 20, 2008, 10:26:35 PM
Is that where stew lives?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 10:26:49 PM
At least its not snowing :P poor b**tards!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Is that where stew lives?

Stew'd need one of my hats.

NE shut out for 2 of the 3 quarters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 20, 2008, 10:28:59 PM
anyone know the weather in green bay today?

1 degree. Windchill -25. No snow.

that'll hurt!

With the windchill, that is about -32 celsius!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hardstation on January 20, 2008, 10:30:09 PM
Jaysus, how could you live there?
Clash of helmets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:31:00 PM
Can't see them keeping Brady out this time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hardstation on January 20, 2008, 10:32:33 PM
TD NE.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 20, 2008, 10:34:02 PM
game over
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:34:46 PM
JOY IN THE HOOD td ne! 9 points its over.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:35:13 PM
Feck Sake.

That's that. 4th Q has been SD's quarter all season.  Can't see them getting TD and FD needed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:57:15 PM
Fair play Pats. Hope they do it,

However, if LT had been fit, the opportunities were there. GB will fancy it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
Missed LT and Gates, Jackson and Chambers are good, not great receivers. Pats are beatable, but not this year  dont think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
Injurys caught up with the Chargers and I think the same will happen with the Giants! Hope not but Go Big Blue!!! ;D
Couldnt face going to the bar to watch it dont think i could enjoy it, would rather be able to listen to the commentry plus got a good load on already god bless the Guinness Draught in a can ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 11:13:58 PM
god bless the Guinness Draught in a can ;)

Had a couple/5 watching her too. Must be a Charger thing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 11:25:40 PM
Fair play to the Yanks. Jaysus have you seen the commentary team? Outside, in hats and coats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 11:35:26 PM
Did you ever see the bate of it ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 21, 2008, 02:06:08 AM

  If the Giants don't get it done tonight it certainly won't have been
  lack of effort on Plaxico Burress' part  8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2008, 02:09:59 AM
One more score for baby pucks nappies!

Didnt see the pats game, but this isnt bad so far. Got a tenner on Driver at 7-1 for the first td. I also put a 10er on LT, and Plaxico, so its not that profitable.. :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2008, 02:15:05 AM
Comedy of errors that play!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hardstation on January 21, 2008, 02:24:32 AM
Croke Park got a mention there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hardstation on January 21, 2008, 02:34:59 AM
Holy Ghost! :o
Some boyo texted in saying that Croke Park would be a great place for a game. (There was a game there before, my da was doing security at it)

Anyway, some other boyo texted in saying, "Why are you talking about games in the UK?"
The English lad went mad, saying, "Nobody mentioned the UK, this person needs to listen more."

Jeepers!
I'm watching Sky Sports 2.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 21, 2008, 02:52:05 AM
One more score for baby pucks nappies!

Didnt see the pats game, but this isnt bad so far. Got a tenner on Driver at 7-1 for the first td. I also put a 10er on LT, and Plaxico, so its not that profitable.. :(



Did the bookie look at ye like you were growing horns with the mention of the tenner :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2008, 03:28:31 AM
One more score for baby pucks nappies!

Didnt see the pats game, but this isnt bad so far. Got a tenner on Driver at 7-1 for the first td. I also put a 10er on LT, and Plaxico, so its not that profitable.. :(



Did the bookie look at ye like you were growing horns with the mention of the tenner :D


Not as much as he did when I put one on a player whos participation was a game time decision. I must have had a few at the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 21, 2008, 03:29:57 AM
   Fair play to the Giants going into Greenbay to win that, i felt bad for the kicker to miss
   that FG attempt but by Jaysus did he redeem himself, i had a few $$ on them so it's all good ;D
                                                                                             
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 21, 2008, 03:33:23 AM
New York's going to some craic for the next two weeks!

Thoroughly deserved in my opinion. The Giants defense was unbelievable. Nobody expected this this season. Fair play to Eli Manning as well - he's shut up a lot of people this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 21, 2008, 03:53:59 AM
New York's going to some craic for the next two weeks! Thoroughly deserved in my opinion. The Giants defense was unbelievable. Nobody expected this this season. Fair play to Eli Manning as well - he's shut up a lot of people this season.

Super Bowl Sunday should be some craic this year ;D What a win J70 is right about the defense what a game they played hearts still racing!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2008, 09:10:57 AM
I was happy enough watching the games last night. Had a double on the Chargers +14.5 and the Giants + 6.5, another nibble on the Under at 44.5 in the Pats - Chargers game, and another winning bet on the Giants to win the game at 13/8 in running when it went 3-0 to them.  (Tried to get on at 2/1 and it kept getting suspended).

Only losing bet was a tenner on Bradshaw to score the first TD in the Giant's game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 21, 2008, 09:30:25 AM
Holy Ghost! :o
Some boyo texted in saying that Croke Park would be a great place for a game. (There was a game there before, my da was doing security at it)

Anyway, some other boyo texted in saying, "Why are you talking about games in the UK?"
The English lad went mad, saying, "Nobody mentioned the UK, this person needs to listen more."

Jeepers!
I'm watching Sky Sports 2.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/croker-nfl-game-could-be-on-cards-1269662.html


That was stupid, its like some people have an identity problem, I dont think Nick or Kevin for that matter implied that UK and Ireland are the same. BUt as we know with some people it only takes even the slightest chance it was implied to set them off. Anyway nothing to do with NFL

C'mon the Giants, there was a while where i really doubted Eli Mannings ability. but he's proved me wrong and Im quite happy with that. I wonder what Tom Coughlin was saying to Tynes after he missed that FG. Tynes just ignored him I think. That lad McQuaters, I could have killed him, you'd think after fumbling the 1st time he'd have learned his lesson about protecting the ball, but toi do it again, my god. I was screaming at the telly when he caught it, he wasnts even holdingthe ball against hi body. Mind you he wasnt the only one on the Ginats with suspect hands, but ill blame the cold for that.

Giants have as good a chance as anyone of beating the Pats. Pity Favre didnt get a chane to go to the Superbowl again but the Packers didnt play good enough, and didnt deserve it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2008, 06:53:07 PM
A little story about the hero last night

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/us_sport/football/article3177383.ece

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As he slips on his Celtic shirt inside an empty Giants stadium and stares into the distance, Lawrence Tynes is imagining how his life might have played out differently. He was 10 years old when his father Larry, then a United States Navy Seal based at RAF Machrihanish on the Mull of Kintyre, moved his family to Florida, his home state, but Scotland was all young Lawrence had known. The 29-year-old New York Giants kicker dreamt not about the Super Bowl appearance that may be only two games away but of wearing the famous hoops of Celtic, his team, his passion for whom has never ebbed.

Paradise remained a place in the East End of Glasgow as the years passed in the Sunshine State, and Tynes yearned to be back amid the tumult of the Old Firm. “I went to a small Catholic primary school, St Kieran’s in Campbeltown, and I was a mad Celtic fan,” he reveals, not a hint of his Scottish roots perceptible in his accent. “Me and my brothers, Mark and Jason, walked to school every day and always had a football. We lived for it and I couldn’t wait to pull on my Celtic jersey before we played. I was nine or 10 years old when I saw my only game at Celtic Park against Hearts. We won and it was brilliant. My brother Jason, an army reservist who works for the government in Charlotte [North Carolina], has seen them play about 10 times over the years but I’ve not been to Parkhead since that day. It’s strange how your life can change.”

For years the Tynes brothers resisted change, becoming known as the “Lucky Charm Boys” in their new neighbourhood of Milton, near Pensacola. “Because of our accents, the other kids thought we were Irish,” he recalls. At Milton High School, Tynes set a record that still stands, scoring seven goals in one game and soccer, as it was called, continued to provide the brothers with a spiritual compass, a sense of home.

Then Mike McMillon, a PE teacher, spotted potential in Lawrence and invited him to play a different game, suggesting he had talent as a kicker and in the defensive free safety position. “But I was better at kicking, so I stuck with that,” Tynes says.

At Troy State University he completed a degree in criminal justice and planned to become a lawyer before joining the FBI. But Troy State won the Southland Conference Championships in three out of four years and Tynes was signed by Kansas City Chiefs in 2001 before being released at the end of training camp.

After playing for Scottish Claymores for a year he joined Ottawa Renegades in the Canadian Football League in 2003 before Kansas City resigned him in 2004. He remained at Arrowhead stadium until the end of 2006 and joined the Giants at the start of this season on a one-year deal worth $428,850. In the National Football League (NFL) kickers are not among the most glamorous or highly paid positions.

“Kickers have long been bullied,” Matthew Waxman explains in Sports Illustrated. “While the beef slug it out in the trenches, games are often won or lost on the swung leg of a guy in a pristine uniform who looks like Eric from [American television show] Entourage in ballet shoes. And kicking is viewed as having a low degree of difficulty, largely because Tom Dempsey, who has the record for the longest field goal, kicked a 63-yarder with half a foot [he was born without toes on his right, kicking foot].”

But this is the part of the season when kickers are worth every cent, often determining the result with a last-minute field goal attempt. The fifth-seeded Giants came through the regular season with a 10-6 win-loss record and finished strongly, securing their playoff position with a 38-21 win at Buffalo on December 23 before producing an inspired performance against the all-conquer-ing New England Patriots, losing 38-35 but gaining widespread respect for their effort to prevent the Patriots posting a perfect 16-0 regular season. In their 24-14 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last weekend, quarterback Eli Manning completed 20 of 27 passes for 185 yards and two touchdowns and an efficient defensive display secured for the Giants their first postseason victory since 2000.

Dallas Cowboys will be formidable opposition at Texas stadium, however, despite having failed to exceed their scoring average since November 29 while falling short of 250 total yards in two of their past three games. Quarterback Tony Romo has thrown just one touchdown pass and five interceptions in his previous three games. Terrell Owens will play but it remains to be seen if his sprained left ankle will carry the weight of expectation and allow the wide receiver to make a telling impact.

“If the game comes down to a field goal in the dying seconds, I’ll be ready,” declares Tynes, who has converted 24 of 28 kicks this season, a success rate that represents the best return of his career. “Kicking is a fickle business and you’re remembered only for the big ones you score or the ones you miss. The expectation is that you will kick between the posts every time. I take deep breaths and tell myself, ‘Go out and be a hero’. The best part of the game is to see grown men jumping up and down because of something that came off your foot. When you miss there’s nothing worse. It’s like when your parents say they’re disappointed in you.”

Tynes would love to play an important role for the Giants in the playoffs. His wife, Amanda, gave birth to twin boys Calab and Jaden six months ago, having gone into labour two months premature.

Mother and sons are doing well now, a source of incredible joy, but the pain of his brother Mark’s imprisonment in 2003 for dealing in marijuana is never far away. “I talk to my brother three times a week and I always know where he’s at and how he’s feeling,” says Tynes. “It’s difficult for my parents and the rest of my family, but we’re trying to get through it.”

Tynes and the Giants will be trying to find a way through the Cowboys today. He has accepted an invitation to be New York City’s Tartan Day Parade Grand Marshall in April and nothing would fill him with greater pride than to march down Sixth Avenue a Super Bowl winner – with the Celtic hoops no doubt on display.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2008, 02:39:05 PM
Brady hurt?

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 03:07:13 PM
Good article on tynes Gh, Just wondering did any of ye boyos who went to wembley think that the giants had any chance of making the superbowl ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 22, 2008, 03:20:47 PM
no, to be honest I didnt think they'd get past Dallas or the Packers or for that matter by week 8 they werent looking like play-off contenders
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2008, 03:26:55 PM
I actually thought they would be dangerous for any team and thought they would beat the Pats in the final regular season game, aminly because of their defense and the pressure they can put on the QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 22, 2008, 04:04:55 PM
that was the most exciting NFL game I have witnessed this year.  The dram and action right down to the last minute could not have been more nerve wrecking or better.

Well done to the Giants and I actually do think they are in with a chance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 05:01:06 PM
that was the most exciting NFL game I have witnessed this year.  The dram and action right down to the last minute could not have been more nerve wrecking or better.

Well done to the Giants and I actually do think they are in with a chance

Ye it was some game Iceman the tension at the end was unreal the pressure on the Kicker was something else, Burress was brilliant for the giants himself and Harris ( i think)  were mouthing at each other for the whole match at one time during the match the sideline  commentator said Burress went to the green bay bench and said " take him off me he can't mark me ".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 22, 2008, 06:04:27 PM
Harris came off looking a bit foolish in the end after all the mouthing. The Packers should have given him some help anyway, as Burress was hammering him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 22, 2008, 06:42:27 PM
the giants have won 10 in a row on the road, thats some achievement and bty the game in green bay was apparently the 3rd coldest in nfl history! (windchill -25). dont rule them out!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 22, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
the Brady picture has the press going mad here- some speculation that its a grab the headlines ploy to make the Giants complacent. He did have an off day Sunday, but whether it was down to injury is anyones guess
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2008, 06:49:38 PM
there's another picture taken last night - that shows no boot on his foot
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 22, 2008, 09:54:13 PM
An unbelievable goal from last night

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9wk_wuWmJRs

Rick Nash has scored some sick goals, but this must be the sickest...He dangled the puck for an age..Awesome 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 23, 2008, 01:35:58 AM
The Packers and packer nation are absolutely gutted. I watched the game in disbelief as McCarthy didnt react to what was happening on the field and i was amazed that he didnt go after manning from the get go and also that he didnt try and help his cornerback who was getting destroyed over there.

Noo York will get hammered in the superbowl. This will be the crowning glory on a perfect season for the pats, I think they will absolutely gut the giants and the they are two td favourites at the minute, I think they will win by 21 or more. The giants are very average and the scene is set for brady and Moss to show their brilliance come Sunday week.

I have long ben a pats fan however given the they cheated this year it would be poetic justice if new york overcame their woeful injury situation to beat tham, that said c'mon the pats.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2008, 08:49:10 AM
Interesting article on ESPN..........


The Roger Clemens Award for "Best story that was ignored by the national media"
The great Brett Favre completely collapsed in the Giants-Packers game, throwing multiple balls up for grabs, single-handedly killing his team, and then everyone gave him the kid gloves treatment afterward. Favre had an incredible season and exceeded everyone's expectations. It was a wonderful ride, but come on. Didn't Troy Aikman and Joe Buck have to discuss Favre's Level 5 stinkbomb during the telecast beyond just alluding to it a couple of times? What about Peter King, who didn't even mention Favre's grisly performance in his normally comprehensive MMQB column? With all the breaks Green Bay got in that game, if Favre had given his team even a C-plus, the Pack would have won. You know he was bad when the Giants planned on kicking off in OT even if they won the coin flip.

(Note: The media spent four months spoon-feeding us this urban legend that Favre wasn't a gunslinger anymore, he was managing games now, he wasn't going to kill his team by taking dumb chances -- I wrote about how dumb this story line was as far back as Week 4 -- when the reality was Favre was playing the same way he always did, only he was playing exceptionally well and had better teammates. Unfortunately, for Packers fans, that minus-4 weather ended up freezing his Fountain of Youth and he killed their Super Bowl hopes. In my opinion, Favre never changed the way he played this season. Not even one iota. He just played well until Week 19. Which reminds me ...)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 23, 2008, 07:17:41 PM

I have long ben a pats fan however given the they cheated this year it would be poetic justice if new york overcame their woeful injury situation to beat tham, that said c'mon the pats.  ;D

got to get over that stew, if they did cheat they paid the price as set by the nfl so it should be forgotton about. having said that the giants are on a roll with nothing to lose up against the pats with EVERYTHING to lose..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2008, 07:35:12 PM
there is no "if" about it - they were caught cheating
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 23, 2008, 08:59:21 PM
there is no "if" about it - they were caught cheating

and they paid the price. why do people still think they can hold it against them?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 24, 2008, 08:32:15 AM
there is no "if" about it - they were caught cheating

and they paid the price. why do people still think they can hold it against them?

cos they didnt pay enough of a price, perhaps losing a superbowl would do. or eternal damnation to the lower echelon of teams like what happened to the Raiders after their years of cheating
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on January 24, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
the Brady picture has the press going mad here- some speculation that its a grab the headlines ploy to make the Giants complacent. He did have an off day Sunday, but whether it was down to injury is anyones guess

Complacent????......Belichick has two weeks to suss out out the Giants and no better man to do it. It would be a serious dim-witted coach or team that went into a game against the Pats complacent! Brady had a bad day Sunday alright (bad by his standards.....) but even on one leg and with a broken arm, Id take him ahead of Eli. Anyone think Eli will implode Super Bowl Sunday?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2008, 12:40:24 PM
I wouldn't think that Manning will implode to be honest. It could happen alright, it's happened to better QBs than him, but if the Giants give him protection, I don't think he'll implode. I think it's equally unlikely that he will beat you either, I can't see him throwing for 340 yards and 4 TDs if the running game collapses. The only way I can see the Giants coming close to winning this game is to rack together TD SCORING drives taking 8-12 minutes a time.  They need to run the ball, and keep running it. Let Eli pick up the 3 yard 3rd down conversions with swing passes to Burress, Boss or Toomer, and keep everything conservative.

If they can do that, their own defense will get a chance to rest, even if the Patriots score when they come out, and the Patriots may start trying to go for the big one too early, which is dangerous too.

I'm waiting to see the spread, but if it's anything like the Chargers (+14.5) I'll be all over the Giants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on January 24, 2008, 12:48:51 PM
Eli's lucky to have Brandon Jacobs.....a solid runner who will take alot of the pressure off him. He's kept it simple in the play-offs and its served him well but I reckon the Patriots will get at him like no team has in the post-season. Will be interesting to see if he handles the pressure of the occasion as well as that of Pats. You're right....the only way to stop Brady, Welker, Moss & Moroney is to keep them off the pitch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2008, 12:54:09 PM
I suppose it depends on whether the running game works. If Jacobs, Bradshaw and Ward can do a bit of damage on the ground, then chances are the Pats will have to pull in their horns whenever the Giants use playaction. There'll be less all out blitzes. If the Giants can't run the ball, Eli will get savaged, but I still wouldn't call that an implosion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on January 24, 2008, 04:59:08 PM
There's a good preview of the game, and of the two teams' seasons, here:

http://www.sportsinteraction.com/sportsbook/index.cfm?section=sb08preview

I stuck a few notes on the Giants on Monday - very impressed with how they won at Lambeau. But you know, that offensive line of New England is so strong, and Belichick has a full fortnight to do his scheming - it looks like I might as well have sent me twenty sheets to the Missions. :( Maybe I'll change my mind again before Sunday week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2008, 05:20:05 PM
What's the spread? I can see the Giants making it awkward, but I can't see them beating the Pats, at least not at the moment. I know what they'll have to do to win, but I doubt if they can pull it off 100%
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 24, 2008, 05:51:54 PM
Right now the spread is -12 and the over/under is 54.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 24, 2008, 07:04:19 PM
the Brady picture has the press going mad here- some speculation that its a grab the headlines ploy to make the Giants complacent. He did have an off day Sunday, but whether it was down to injury is anyones guess

Complacent????......Belichick has two weeks to suss out out the Giants and no better man to do it. It would be a serious dim-witted coach or team that went into a game against the Pats complacent! Brady had a bad day Sunday alright (bad by his standards.....) but even on one leg and with a broken arm, Id take him ahead of Eli. Anyone think Eli will implode Super Bowl Sunday?

If as I suspect the Pats try and rattle him by going after him all day long he will be complete and utter shite, he hears footsteps, has wing mirrors and is a very average quarterback, he has had a good post season thus far but he will be shite on the biggest stage of them all. I expect the pats to blitz all night long, if you give him no time he will be worse than useless,

Prediction.

Pats 35 giants 10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 24, 2008, 07:41:31 PM
Stew,
I respectfully disagree, Eli is playing some fantastic stuff at the minute and their O-Line is fit and playing very well. Look at the game last Sunday for example Eli had a hell of a game, and there were 4-5 dropped passes plus another 3-4 that weren't viewed as dropped but really should have been caught. Manning doesnt panic- he's too laid back, and I feel since Shockey has left the huddle the team is looking to Eli as the leader and they have now responded to his civil, calm methodical approach, rather than Shockey's blood and thunder approach.
If the Pats start going after Manning from the get go, Jacobs will start plugging those holes very quickly. and dont forget Bradshaw hasn't been seen by the Pats D yet.

Now does all this add up to a Giants win- I don't think so, but the spread is coming down, 9 is offered most places today and thats down from 14 on Sunday. I'm actually looking forward to the Superbowl for the game rather than the ads for the first time in years. New York is buzzing there is a sense of possibility, the week 17 game was a belter, NE had a lot on the line and won, the Giants playing for nothing scared them. You would expect that Belichick learned more than Coughlan, however the most interesting guy may actually be Steve Spagnuolo the Giants Defence coach. He has really brought that team along well over the last 6-7 weeks and could have learned his lesson. Based on last weeks games, Manning played a better more measured game than Brady, and he has stepped up against all the big names in the last 4 weeks, I think that the Giants will fall down based on receivers. Plaxico even if he has a game like last week is not enough to match up against Moss, Stallworth and Welker. The weak spot in the Giants D is the middle of the D 8-9 yards behind the line, Welker's specialty area.
My brain says Patriots by 6, hoping for a Giants 3 pointer in OT...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bridgegael on January 24, 2008, 08:15:12 PM
i think Eli will finally step out from his big bros shadow at the superbowl,  leading them to a  six point victory!  hopefully!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 24, 2008, 09:24:36 PM
What do the Chargers fans on here think of Eli, i take it you are all on for the Pats after Eli fucked youse over at the 2004 draft. I saw footage of it earlier today on NFL Total Access, when he was called out with the Chargers jersey he stood shaking his head like a spoilt wee pussy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 24, 2008, 10:01:46 PM
I've heard that it was his auld fella that was the big influence in Manning being swapped with Rivers. Apparently he didn't want his son ending up at a dead-end team like he himself did back when he played in New Orleans. The Chargers didn't turn out too bad in the end though!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2008, 05:08:28 PM
What the latest on Brady are they just hiding him from the media or has he an injury problem?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 27, 2008, 02:58:39 PM
it's all mind games

anyhow - it looks like O'Neill will be happy - it's San Diego and New Orleans at Wembley in Ocotber

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20080126-1632-london.html

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 28, 2008, 09:20:43 AM
What do the Chargers fans on here think of Eli, i take it you are all on for the Pats after Eli fucked youse over at the 2004 draft. I saw footage of it earlier today on NFL Total Access, when he was called out with the Chargers jersey he stood shaking his head like a spoilt wee pussy.

Well, surely he should be allowed have some say in what team he ends up with. I wouldnt have said he was acting spoilt, what was he meant to do anyway. Join the Chargers even if he didnt want to.

What the latest on Brady are they just hiding him from the media or has he an injury problem?

I'd say he'll be be playing either way, he'd have to be fatally wounded before he would consider not playing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2008, 09:52:39 AM
What do the Chargers fans on here think of Eli, i take it you are all on for the Pats after Eli fucked youse over at the 2004 draft. I saw footage of it earlier today on NFL Total Access, when he was called out with the Chargers jersey he stood shaking his head like a spoilt wee pussy.

Well, surely he should be allowed have some say in what team he ends up with. I wouldnt have said he was acting spoilt, what was he meant to do anyway. Join the Chargers even if he didnt want to.

What the latest on Brady are they just hiding him from the media or has he an injury problem?

I'd say he'll be be playing either way, he'd have to be fatally wounded before he would consider not playing.

Aye but you dont really have a choice in the draft, there have been better players than him have went to teams they probably didnt want to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 09:56:36 AM
That's the whole point of the draft system. To try and ensure competitiveness and as level a playing field as possible. The Yanks have a term for it, parity. That's why the worst teams get to draft first, which allows them to address any specific issues they may have.

A lot of the time, the teams with picks 1, 2 and 3 may try and trade their position in the draft for 2 or more draft picks from a later team, especially if the higher ranked college players are not in positions they really need, or if the player himself is making lukewarm noises about the possibility of being drafted by them.

The draft is a good system though, and it was bad form of Eli Manning that time. He should have asked the chargers to pass on him, or trade their pick. If he did that, and they still didn't do it, well then he should have gone there and set about improving them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 28, 2008, 10:38:56 AM
yeah, I know how the draft works. But if i was going into the draft for instance, and i was picked by the Raiders, I would probably try and get the hell out of it asap, wouldnt want to have anything to do with them while Al Davis is still there. It would be a waste of a good part of your career.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 10:40:58 AM
I know you know it juice, sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was trying to explain it. I was trying to say in response to this

Quote
Well, surely he should be allowed have some say in what team he ends up with. I wouldnt have said he was acting spoilt, what was he meant to do anyway. Join the Chargers even if he didnt want to.

that the whole point of the draft is that the betterment of the league and it's teams is more important than the players wishes about where he plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 28, 2008, 10:53:08 AM
Yes thats all well and good, but is a player supposed to bite his lip and just dedicate a few years of his career in what he may see as either a lost cause or somewhere he just doesnt want to go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 28, 2008, 10:54:17 AM
Is it true that Brady was only a 5th round draft  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 10:57:39 AM
Yes thats all well and good, but is a player supposed to bite his lip and just dedicate a few years of his career in what he may see as either a lost cause or somewhere he just doesnt want to go.

In short, yes. Most people would say that it's his job to make the team better, or at least shine in a bad team so that a good team will take him. Either way, they'll be looked after financially. The thing to remember is that the player works for the NFL, not for the individual team, really. You might have preferences as to where you go, but all in all, the NFL usually sides with the teams here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 11:02:53 AM
Is it true that Brady was only a 5th round draft  :o

No Dinny, that's rubbish.

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick out of Michigan in 2000 (199th pick overall).

Quarterbacks drafted higher included:

Chad Pennington - New York Jets - 1st Round
Giovanni Carmazzi - SF 49ers - 3rd Round
Chris Redman - Baltimore Ravens - 3rd Round


Marc Bulger also went in Round 6 that year. Obviously the QBs weren't seen as top notch in 2000.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
Due to the nature of the NFL a quick turnaround in a teams fortunes can happen, in the NFC South the teams have finished last each year have won it the next year for 4 years in a row i think. Look at the Green Bay Packers, before Favre went there in the early 90's they were prennial whipping boys, the Colts were also poor when Manning went as the 1st pick, the Colts and Chargers have benefitted from outstanding front office/drafting.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
Due to the nature of the NFL a quick turnaround in a teams fortunes can happen, in the NFC South the teams have finished last each year have won it the next year for 4 years in a row i think. Look at the Green Bay Packers, before Favre went there in the early 90's they were prennial whipping boys, the Colts were also poor when Manning went as the 1st pick, the Colts and Chargers have benefitted from outstanding front office/drafting.......

Exactly Minder, and that's the NFL ethos, because they hate to see teams continually taking a beating every season, like the Cardinals. :D The Cardinals' problem is they always finish about 5th worst team in the league, so they never get the real superstar draftees.

Anyway, the NFL loves the draft because as you say, teams like Indianapolis, Saint Louis, New Orleans, Cincinnatti etc can be turned around with one good pick. That's why they hate to see players trying to buck the system.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on January 28, 2008, 11:16:59 AM
I watched the film Invincible (based on the story of Vince Papale) on a long haul flight last week and it got me all into american football again.

The Giants were lucky enough to get past the Packers. Preiction - Patriots by 15.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2008, 11:34:55 AM
Due to the nature of the NFL a quick turnaround in a teams fortunes can happen, in the NFC South the teams have finished last each year have won it the next year for 4 years in a row i think. Look at the Green Bay Packers, before Favre went there in the early 90's they were prennial whipping boys, the Colts were also poor when Manning went as the 1st pick, the Colts and Chargers have benefitted from outstanding front office/drafting.......

Exactly Minder, and that's the NFL ethos, because they hate to see teams continually taking a beating every season, like the Cardinals. :D The Cardinals' problem is they always finish about 5th worst team in the league, so they never get the real superstar draftees.

Anyway, the NFL loves the draft because as you say, teams like Indianapolis, Saint Louis, New Orleans, Cincinnatti etc can be turned around with one good pick. That's why they hate to see players trying to buck the system.

Nobody drafted as badly as the Browns when they came back into the league, Couch and Courtney Brown, both No1 picks, both now out of the league. I remember reading a scouting magazine that rated every player in the league, some NFL scouts said Couch would turn out to be better than Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2008, 11:19:20 AM
Just to let anyone know that watches "Americas Game" on Sky Sports on Saturday morning they are on all this week in run up to Super Bowl,check your tv guide, some are repeats but i have Sky + at the ready anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2008, 11:39:02 AM
ye watched "America's game " yesterday all about the 81 ( i think) San Francisco 49ers great stuff altogether, what hit me was how much they hated the Cowboys. It said at the end that they won 5 superbowls in 14 Years.Just wondering how many did Montana win with them ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 29, 2008, 11:53:17 AM
I think Montana won 4 superbowls with the niners. He was MVP 3 times.

Steve Young was the QB for the other win I think after Montana left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 29, 2008, 12:44:39 PM
Ill always prefer the 70's Steelers over the 49ers. They had some Characters on that team, Mean Joe, Jack Lambert, Lynn Swann, Terry Bradshaw.

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 29, 2008, 07:17:04 PM
ye watched "America's game " yesterday all about the 81 ( i think) San Francisco 49ers great stuff altogether, what hit me was how much they hated the Cowboys. It said at the end that they won 5 superbowls in 14 Years.Just wondering how many did Montana win with them ?



joe cool won 4 superbowls, i lived in sf for a few years and they sure hated those cowboys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 29, 2008, 10:22:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3220894

The Mets get Johan Santana
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 30, 2008, 08:52:47 AM
Mention of Johan Santana is the perfect cue for Fantasy Baseball. Is anyone interested in this again this year? Season will start end of March,...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 30, 2008, 09:57:17 AM
Mention of Johan Santana is the perfect cue for Fantasy Baseball. Is anyone interested in this again this year? Season will start end of March,...

is there any point Az especially if bombidal is taking part, sure he is bound to win it ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 30, 2008, 09:58:40 AM
I notice he still hasn't changed his signature. He's hanging on grimly :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 30, 2008, 10:06:25 AM
ye the loss loss seems to have hit him hard he seems to be delusional :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 30, 2008, 01:35:00 PM
I'm up for it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 30, 2008, 02:05:13 PM
Im still in mourning over last season's Guiliani style collapse, blazing into an early lead getting cocky and then blowing it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 31, 2008, 02:39:47 PM
So what are the plans for Superbowl, I got Monday morning off work, gonna get a bunch of the lads arond, and stay up, with a few bottles of booze, finger fod and what not. I wanna go over to the States and see what its like first hand, would be great to be able to watch NFL during the day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 02:42:00 PM
I've Monday off work as well. There's a pub in the village being returned to the owner at the end of a lease this week, so the lad with the lease in bowing out in style. Lock in, superbowl, free porter and sweepstakes on scorelines at 1st Quarter, half and full times.

Should be a bit of craic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 02:43:09 PM
Going into a bar at about 1pm - doors being locked - bit of Texas Hold 'Em until game time

$70 all the food and beer you can handle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 03:11:14 PM
Going into a bar at about 1pm - doors being locked - bit of Texas Hold 'Em until game time

$70 all the food and beer you can handle

I remember watching the superbowl in 'Famous Sam's' in Phoenix. About 50 telly's and that game where you predict the next play. (Short pass left, run right, run middle etc). There was 4 of us there, myself and 3 lads over from Ireland visiting. We started at about 1pm and left at 9 o'clock that night. Some session. The girl behind the bar gave us the big inflatable miller 'Superbowl' blimp, because we drank and ate so much. We probably tipped her way too much as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 03:36:25 PM
We do something like this in the local pub - each person buys a box for $10 and their name is put into it - and there's 100 boxes - so there's a prize pool of $1000.

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The person who has the box with the correct score at the end of each quarter wins - so say the score after the first quarter is 10 - 7 to the Giants - then the winner is the box who has 0 in the Giants score and 7 in the Patriots score (see the tick mark)

The numbers along the top and bottom are not drawn (randomly out of a hat) until all the boxes are full.

Prizes are dished out at the end of each quarter - $200 after 1, another $200 at half time, another $200 after 3 - and $400 for the final score

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 03:42:59 PM
Yep Gab, that's what we're doing in the pub in Newport as well. €5 a square. €100 at the end of the 1st quarter, €100 at half time and €300 for the end of the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 31, 2008, 03:45:40 PM
Ive got 1 of them boxes to Gab..in a bar in New York...1000 dollar box..went half's on it with another lad...1st-15000..half-20000... 3rd-15000 and full time is 50000  :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 04:00:11 PM
thats some serious money Dev
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 31, 2008, 04:01:05 PM
thats some serious money Dev

I think its 50000 smarties though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 31, 2008, 04:04:36 PM
All the bars round Yonkers/Bronx have boxes...start of at 100 dollar right up to 10,000 a box
1000dollar box isn't to bad just pay of x amount a week from september...would be nice to hit the full time score :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 31, 2008, 06:58:32 PM
*ahem* its not dollars it points your honour...

a guy I work with is in a 10k per box game, no half time score, winner takes the lot. Its been sold out the last 3 years and there's a waiting list to get on it. They're thinking of doing 2 games this year...
million points for the winner tax free...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 31, 2008, 07:06:00 PM

  $5000 is the biggest around these parts that i'm aware of,
   50 g's for 4th quarter.....nice
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 31, 2008, 07:12:27 PM
Another way to gamble for you degenerates is strip cards. Take an envelope turn it longways right numbers 0-9 with a blank space line next to each number. Everyone signs their name and you can do it per quarter or half and final. The amount per person can be from 5-100 depending how much you want to cough up. Everyone sticks their money into the envelope and sits back to win.

 Make sure the numbers are in no set order, something like Gab put up.

So if you have 8 and the end of your quarter or half or final and the score is 12 to 6 you add up the last numbers which would be 8.

Winner takes all.

Simple and easy.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 31, 2008, 07:50:06 PM
*ahem* its not dollars it points your honour...

a guy I work with is in a 10k per box game, no half time score, winner takes the lot. Its been sold out the last 3 years and there's a waiting list to get on it. They're thinking of doing 2 games this year...
million points for the winner tax free...
 
Sorry points ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 31, 2008, 07:51:44 PM
They do the same for All Ireland Finals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 01, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Good news for Gab, the NFL is going to have a game in Toronto for the next 5 years.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2008, 08:55:50 AM
Register for tickets for Wembley '08 on NFLUK.COM.

I'm already in. 4 requested. Now the long wait till May when it's announced.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on February 02, 2008, 02:02:51 PM
Fair play to them this year they got a good game. Should be high scoring and the likes of Bush and LT for the PR.
Not missing this one
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2008, 03:26:07 PM
Im in too, hopefully the weather is a bit better this time. Looking forward to seeing a bit of Bush in London that weekend......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 03, 2008, 02:28:13 AM
Is there anyone who thinks the giants have a chance?

I think the giants will sneak it hopefully 32-31 ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 03, 2008, 07:45:36 AM
Good news for Gab, the NFL is going to have a game in Toronto for the next 5 years.



pity you have to buy all 8 games

$2,000 up front

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 03, 2008, 07:47:16 AM
Is there anyone who thinks the giants have a chance?

I think the giants will sneak it hopefully 32-31 ;)

24-21

Tynes with an OT FG
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Shortso79 on February 03, 2008, 11:26:14 AM
Is Britney playing at half time  ??? ;D


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 03, 2008, 11:47:51 AM
Apparently they've commited to the next 3 years for games in the UK. ho-ray, registered my interest to go to the next game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 03, 2008, 02:49:34 PM
Super Bowl Sunday is here!!!! Cant wait now for kick off and then a giants win ;)
Heading into manhattan soon for the game.  The latest reports surfacing about the Patriots * and there camera men may actually go against the Giants and badly!


* caught cheating. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bensars on February 03, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Havent been following it, but i see that NY giants +12.5 poits are even money on betfair.

Maybe some of our american posters can tell me if this is a good bet ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 03, 2008, 04:28:26 PM
Some people think its a great bet. New England won by three the last time they played. That said, New England can dump 40+ points on anyone, so I cant make my mind up on wether to bet the game or not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bensars on February 03, 2008, 04:53:50 PM
Cheers Puckoon, i leave it then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 03, 2008, 05:46:27 PM
Was going to pick the Giants to cover the spread but now all the dirt is coming out bout the Patriots* it could really fire up them up!
Anyway I am off now, Strahan Jersey is on and the Irish Breakfast in me  LETS GO BIG BLUE!!!!! Win lose or draw i am going to enjoy this day no matter ;)

* caught cheating.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2008, 07:55:47 PM
Put  a few quid on Patriots to cover the spread (-12) just so i become less neutral, booked tomorrow off work so looking forward to it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2008, 08:18:40 PM
NE 28 NY 13
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2008, 08:21:32 PM
Latest rumours that Patriots filmed the Rams walk through, and in particular their two minute drill, before the Super Bowl in 2002.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2008, 10:03:22 PM
Alicia Keys needs "assaulted with a friendly weapon"..... :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 03, 2008, 10:04:15 PM
Some people think its a great bet. New England won by three the last time they played. That said, New England can dump 40+ points on anyone, so I cant make my mind up on wether to bet the game or not.

the pats whole season is on the line tonight, everything they have 'achieved' is on the line and no matter what anyone says that will be some presure on brady. if he throws another 3 interceptions tonight he might not get away with it..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 03, 2008, 10:36:02 PM
I capitulated.

Main Bet: Giants +12 and under 55 50$ parlay

Side Bet: Giants +12, under 55, more than 3 fieldgoals in game and more than 4 sacks.
10$ parlay.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 03, 2008, 11:01:15 PM
COME ON THE GIANTS  :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on February 04, 2008, 01:03:24 AM
Bollocks, half time and Pats not going well  :'(. Strahan, Osi et al are putting the heat on Brady. Offence not working at all bar the odd burst frm Laurence Moroney. Just as well Eli's boys are not firing on all cylinders either.......... If Giants keep dropping though, they will pay eventually
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 04, 2008, 01:07:34 AM
Yea the Giants are putting a lot of pressure on Brady.....things are set up nice for Eli to take it home  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 04, 2008, 01:13:11 AM
Yea the Giants are putting a lot of pressure on Brady.....things are set up nice for Eli to take it home  ;)
would love to see it but im not sure you can contain new england for the whole game,would love to see strahan get a ring
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 04, 2008, 03:23:47 AM
And Eli takes it home wooohooooo....what a finish still cant believe Giants have won it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 04, 2008, 04:16:48 AM
Jan 13th

Quote
the Coughlin decision to go full barrel after the pats in the last game of the season could pay off in spades if they get them in the Superbowl. 2 Mannings in a row?

feeling quite smug right now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 04, 2008, 04:48:22 AM
Credit where credit is due. Well done. Co-worker owes me lunch at the "mens club". She is paying. :D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 04, 2008, 06:09:11 AM
I capitulated.

Main Bet: Giants +12 and under 55 50$ parlay

Side Bet: Giants +12, under 55, more than 3 fieldgoals in game and more than 4 sacks.
10$ parlay.

Puck,
Nice bet!!! 

Took the same - NYG and Under for 500.00 parlay - looking at a happy man and my birthday on top of it :D :D :D

Well done to the Giants and especially the coaching staff.

Think I won enough to fly back to see Cross win the All-Ireland.




Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 04, 2008, 10:27:25 AM
fell asleep before i could see the big finish unfortunately but glad to see Eli finally did the business!

From what i saw Michael Strahan was fantasic. i can remember when i was in Canada last summer, there was talk of him retiring!! lucky he didnt...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2008, 04:14:35 PM
They are quick with those ads.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=74lQMtwTtNY&eurl=http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=29482 (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=74lQMtwTtNY&eurl=http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=29482)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 05, 2008, 05:30:38 PM
Really enjoyed the final great game ,i can't believe NY were 3/1 to win the fecking thing i definitely would have put a few squid on them to win. i thought it was unusual every time they zoomed in on Peyton Manning he was on his own, Pamela seemed to have a few around her ;) Did you see the Lad who won the superbowl last year been interviewed and saying how he hated the patriots so much just like the English hate the germans and Argentinians  :o :o
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Post by: SammyG on February 05, 2008, 05:55:21 PM
Absolutely fantastic game (apart from the fecking result  :'( ). Probably the best defensive performance I've seen in 20 odd years of watching American Football.

On the bright side, Brady's still young and the Pats will be back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2008, 06:14:31 PM
Absolutely fantastic game (apart from the fecking result  :'( ). Probably the best defensive performance I've seen in 20 odd years of watching American Football.

On the bright side, Brady's still young and the Pats will be back.

The Pats are in a weakish division. They will be back in the play-offs again next season. Just need to inject some youth into their offensive and defensive lines. They will be a threat again next year. No doubt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 05, 2008, 07:19:57 PM
depends who they hold on to, but yes the Pats and Indy will be the 2 teams to beat next year. Giants and Cowboys will be there or there abouts, Green Bay may have blown their shot this year. and of course one random team that you didn't expect Cleveland maybe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 05, 2008, 07:41:15 PM
great game, have to say i was gutted for brady in the end. thought the giants were blessed on their final drive and dodged a load of bullets during the game but to the victor the spoils.. good video here of what the day is like (kinda like all ireland sunday!)

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/04/superbowl.memories/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on February 05, 2008, 08:27:05 PM
Front page of NFL.COM had a picture of Tedy Bruschi and the headline 18 and D'oh!!!

Bar stewards the lot of them (but still funny)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 05, 2008, 08:29:14 PM
Very good. I'd say the lad that leaked the cover of that book '19-0, story of the perfect Patriots' is currently attempting to remove Bill Bellichek's shoe from his back passage :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 05, 2008, 09:04:10 PM
one heading in new york '18 wins and 1 giant loss'  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 05, 2008, 10:19:55 PM
What a weekend  :) Just back from the ticker tape parade, what a sight it was too :o  What a great game it turned out to be with the Giants Defence standing out, and what about the catch from Tyree, actually that whole drive at the end will be remembered for a long time! Go Big Blue ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2008, 05:11:43 AM
What a weekend  :) Just back from the ticker tape parade, what a sight it was too :o  What a great game it turned out to be with the Giants Defence standing out, and what about the catch from Tyree, actually that whole drive at the end will be remembered for a long time! Go Big Blue ;D

I thought I saw an eejit in a Carrickmore shirt on ESPN.
Anyways, lent is here, no more sports betting for Puck. :-\ On a brighter note, signed off tonight with a 6 teamer for 20$ parlay that will be returning 820$ in the morning! Like Hannibal says -"I love it when a plan (finallly after many failed attempts) comes together. God Bless College basketball - and Rocky top Tennessee.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2008, 07:10:34 AM
Shaq to the Suns for Shawn Marion if ESPN is to be believed
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2008, 08:39:45 AM
.....kinda like all ireland sunday!

Yeah, especially with Hugh Heffner and the bunnies, do often see em on the Hogan for the Meath games....... :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on February 06, 2008, 02:29:32 PM
lads re the london game, any of you head last year?

whats the chances of getting tickets on nfl uk when you preregister if yous know
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2008, 02:34:24 PM
There was quite a few GAA Board lads there last year. I think I counted 6 or 7 at one stage from the posts coming up to it.

By rights, and the laws of supply and demand, there's no way we should all have gotten tickets based on 500,000 applications. Maybe we were all lucky, or maybe they overstated the demand. I think everyone on this board was a member of nfluk.com by the way.

Hopefully we'll all get them again, as the demand might be a little less this year, after last year and with the promise of 2009 and 2010 as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2008, 03:03:04 PM
My missus has told me i am not going this time as it cost a fortune the last time but i will be there if i get a ticket, it may come down to choosing between the All Ireland Hurling weekend and the NFL game........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2008, 03:14:12 PM
AZ, id have thought with the success of this season (as a whole) and the thrilling climax (try not to giggle) that the demand this season will be high?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2008, 03:17:59 PM
It could be Puckoon, but there was a huge novelty factor last year, and the fact that no one was sure if/when it would be back again.

I'm sure there will still be a high demand, but I suspect it may be a little softer this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2008, 03:23:00 PM
Fair enough - my cousin has a season pass for the 49ers, and Ive been promised a couple of tickets for a game of my choice. Not sure if I should wait a few more years.


On another note, people from omagh have been called Biffos before.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2008, 03:24:58 PM
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On another note, people from omagh have been called Biffos before.

Well that's just piggybacking, we are the BIFFOS.

I was a season ticket holder with the Cardinals. How's that for dedication :D

Although it had it's benefits. At least I got to see the last ever TD pass from Steve Young to Jerry Rice, just before Aneas Williams gave Young his final and decisive concussion. It was a Monday night game at Sun Devil Stadium.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on February 06, 2008, 05:30:35 PM
Is the probowl on tonight does anyone know and what time?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2008, 05:43:19 PM
it's on Sunday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2008, 09:08:14 PM
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On another note, people from omagh have been called Biffos before.

Well that's just piggybacking, we are the BIFFOS.

I was a season ticket holder with the Cardinals. How's that for dedication :D

Although it had it's benefits. At least I got to see the last ever TD pass from Steve Young to Jerry Rice, just before Aneas Williams gave Young his final and decisive concussion. It was a Monday night game at Sun Devil Stadium.


Is that the game where Lawrence Phillips looked like Barry Sanders for the Niners,i think he is in the clink now, that was probably the start of a downward spiral for them they finished 4-12 that year i think.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2008, 09:49:21 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2008, 10:19:47 PM
Saw a good bit of coverage on NFL Access, when Eli was in the locker room after the game Peyton came in to congratulate him and they were talking about the blitzing packages and safety cover the Pats had on that last drive, i think most other players would have been lying with a cigar and a bottle of champagne......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 06, 2008, 10:59:04 PM
great pictures gab, thanks for that...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 07, 2008, 01:48:41 AM
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Super Bowl betting
Amount bet in Nevada sports books
2008: $92 million
2007: $93.1 million
2006: $94.5 million
2005: $90.8 million
2004: $81.2 million
2003: $71.7 million
2002: $71.5 million
How the sports books did
2008: Lost $2.57 million
2007: Won $12.9 million
2006: Won $8.8 million
Largest win: $15.4 million, 2005
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Nevada sports books and casinos lost a record $2.57 million on Super Bowl bets, according to statistics released Tuesday by the State Gaming Control Board.

The 17-14 victory by the underdog New York Giants over the heavily favored New England Patriots was just the second time Nevada books lost money on the Super Bowl since the Gaming Control Board started tracking Super Bowl bets in 1992, GCB analyst Frank Streshley said. In 1995, the state lost $400,000 when the San Francisco 49ers beat the San Diego Chargers, 49-26.

"It was a very difficult day," said Kenny White, chief

operating officer for the Las Vegas Sports Consultants, a group of bookmakers who set Nevada's betting line.

Many bookmakers were unfazed by the record losses as Super Bowl winners probably stayed in Nevada casinos and used their winnings to play other games, White said.

"We lost $2.5 million, but with the game ending at 7:30, I can guarantee you that the casino handle that night was probably better than any other Sunday of the year," White said.

"This is not going to close us up," said Chris Andrews of Leroy's Race & Sports Book, which has more than 60 outlets across Nevada. "I am certain that there are weekends over the course of the season that the collective books of Nevada lost more than that."

The Giants' late touchdown drive that included one of the most spectacular catches in Super Bowl history cost the state dearly, White said.

"If the Pats get the ball back and win the game 14-10, I think the state wins about $15 million," White said. "So that is a $17.5 million swing."

Many bookmakers hoped that the matchup of teams from two large Eastern television markets would attract $100 million for the first time. But the handle of $92 million was the smallest since $90 million in 1995.

Some bookmakers blamed the nation's economy.

"I don't have a good answer for that," Andrews said. "I can tell you that our business was pretty strong. It might have been that just a couple of heavy hitters at a couple of locations that showed up last year didn't show up this year. That is very possible because that is how (handle) records get set."

White said Las Vegas sports books lacked that Super Bowl buzz of prior years in the days leading up to the game.

"I think it was the economy, because most of the people that I talked to felt that it was a little slow compared to last year," he said. "Friday was a dead day for a lot of the casinos in town (Las Vegas). That was surprising because it is usually very, very lively on Fridays. And Saturday, it was more like a regular NFL day where we had a pretty good house but nothing spectacular."

Money-line bets (picking only a winner) and the 14- to 12-point spread were the keys to the heavy losses, Streshley said.

"I was told that one out of the 30 people who were betting the money line were betting the Patriots and the other 29 were betting New York," Streshley said. "So a substantial amount of people bet the money line, and going into the game, it was 3½, so if you bet one dollar (on the Giants), you'd win $3.50 versus having to put own $4 on the Patriots to win $1.

"Plus, the opening line started at 14 and immediately went to 12½ so initially, that tells you right there that people were betting on the Giants."

Many people bet with their hearts and many despised the Patriots, who sought to become the second NFL team in history to be undefeated, bookmakers said.

"Almost everybody that walked up to the window seemed to be betting the money line and the Giants," White said. "And that is the main area where the books lost. The totals were very good and the props (proposition bets) were excellent and the futures ended up being very good."

"But the main thing is that people really had a dislike for the Patriots for some reason," White said. "That surprised me. I thought that they would be rooting for history, but that was not the case."


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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 07, 2008, 03:45:39 AM
serves the feckers right
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 07, 2008, 09:47:21 PM
would have thought they'd have lost a lot more than $2.5m....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 13, 2008, 04:50:15 AM
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Zednik in stable condition after having surgery on cut neck
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Updated: February 11, 2008, 7:20 PM ET
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 Zednik Cut by Skate in Panthers LossBUFFALO, N.Y. -- Florida Panthers forward Richard Zednik underwent surgery to close a deep gash on the right side of his neck and was in stable condition Sunday night after he was cut by a teammate's skate during a game.

"The surgery was successful and he's resting comfortably in the hospital," Panthers spokesman Brian Goldman said.

Blood gushed from Zednik's neck after he was hurt midway through the third period of Buffalo's 5-3 victory, creating a frightening moment that delayed the game for about 15 minutes. There was also a brief discussion about postponing the game altogether.

Zednik was behind the play and skating into the right corner of the Sabres' zone, when teammate Olli Jokinen was upended by Sabres forward Clarke MacArthur. Jokinen fell head-first to the ice, and his right leg flew up and struck Zednik directly on the side of the neck.

Clutching his neck, Zednik raced to the Florida bench, leaving a long trail of blood. When he arrived, he nearly fell into the arms of a team trainer, who quickly applied a towel to the cut. Zednik was then helped off the ice by the trainer and teammate Jassen Cullimore, and escorted to the Panthers' dressing room.

"We shouldn't have finished the game," Jokinen said. "I saw the replay, that it was my skate that hit him in the throat. I think we were all in shock. I've never seen anything like that. There are bigger things than [finishing the game]. It was terrifying.

"I didn't think anyone on our team was thinking hockey out there after an injury like that. If it was my call, I would have gone to the hospital with him."



Panthers spokesman Justin Copertino said Zednik was transported by ambulance to Buffalo General Hospital. Copertino said the team was making arrangements to have Zednik's wife, Jessica, fly from South Florida to Buffalo by a charter flight Sunday night.

The team was scheduled to return to Miami, but assistant general manager Randy Sexton and assistant trainer Dave Zenobi planned to stay behind with Zednik, Copertino said.




Buffalo defenseman Jaroslav Spacek skates past a trail of blood left when Florida's Richard Zednik hurried off the ice Sunday in Buffalo, N.Y.
Zednik's injury left players and coaches on both benches stunned, and a silent hush fell over the crowd at HSBC Arena.

NHL vice president Colin Campbell consulted with Sabres general manager Darcy Regier and referee Bill McCreary in a tunnel after Zednik was loaded into an ambulance. Campbell, who was not available for comment, attended the game in part because his son, Gregory, plays for the Panthers.

In a statement, the NHL said that Campbell talked to commissioner Gary Bettman and decided to continue the game after knowing that Zednik was stable, that trainers had stopped the bleeding, and that the teams were willing to go on.

The league said: "The thoughts and prayers of the NHL family are with Richard Zednik, his loved ones, his teammates and the Florida Panthers organization."

"I can fully understand if they wanted to cancel the whole game," Sabres coach Lindy Ruff said. "It was pretty solemn. There wasn't a lot being said [on the bench]. There was just more concern for Richard than anything else.

"When you see something like that, it isn't about playing anymore. But I said, 'We're going to finish the game and it's going to be what it's going to be.'"

As crews scraped the blood from the ice and the surface was cleaned by Zambonis during the extended delay, the public address announcer said: "Richard Zednik is in stable condition and on his way to a Buffalo hospital."

The crowd stood in applause during the announcement.


Several Florida players were shaken after seeing the gruesome injury.

"It's something you never want to see," Panthers center Stephen Weiss told The Miami Herald. "It's the worst thing I've ever seen in hockey. The worst went through my mind ... Just his face [when he was] coming off [the ice], was just, you know, something you don't want to see. I don't know how to explain it, but it was a scary look. He looked very scared."

Florida goalie Tomas Vokoun described the situation off the ice.

"I walked in and saw him on the stretcher," Vokoun told The Herald. "I was very concerned when he came off. He was obviously very scared. He was conscious, I guess, that's what the trainer said. His eyes were closed, but he was moving and moaning."


Zednik's injury was eerily reminiscent of an injury sustained by Sabres goaltender Clint Malarchuk about 19 years ago at Buffalo's Memorial Auditorium. On March 22, 1989, Malarchuk severed his jugular vein when St. Louis Blues forward Steve Tuttle was upended while skating toward the crease, slicing Malarchuk with a skate.

"I was back here watching, and I knew what it was right away," Sabres longtime equipment manager Rip Simonick told The Buffalo News. "Just like that night."

Malarchuk required over 300 stitches but spent only one night in the hospital, returning to practice after four days. On April 2, he played the final five minutes in the season finale, less than two weeks after his injury.

Panthers defenseman Steve Montador recalled seeing Zednik in a state of shock as he got to the bench.

"He looked pale, he was obviously standing and to a degree, coherent. But he didn't look as focused as you or I right now. He was staring at nothing," Montador said. "That's a pretty brave guy to realize what's going on: Grab your neck and get off the ice."

Zednik has 15 goals and 11 assists this season.

It was the second serious injury caused by a skate this weekend.

On Saturday, NHL linesman Pat Dapuzzo needed dozens of stitches to close a cut on his face after he was hit by the skate of Philadelphia Flyers forward Steve Downie in a game against the N ew York Rangers.

Dapuzzo, scheduled to retire at the end of the season, didn't return after the second-period injury.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 13, 2008, 07:00:01 AM
I saw that on espn brutal to look at, the man is very lucky to be alive.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 14, 2008, 10:51:46 PM
http://www.nypost.com/video/?channel=PostSportsFeed&clipid=1458_237375&bitrate=300&format=flash

pretty humourous 18-1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 15, 2008, 02:44:09 AM
Any thoughts on the Clemens affair.

To my mind he's ties himself in knots. the points below combine to swing it for me

I think he's going to have to cop to it, though he seems like he's ready to brass it out...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 16, 2008, 01:55:02 AM
Was working late this week and missed most coverage on it. Clemens lied IMO, Pettites admission plus Clemens wife admitting to taking the growth hormones finally convinced me! Mc Namee though aint no saint, cop turn drug dealer! Why would he keep the syringes etc for so long?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 16, 2008, 03:02:02 AM
Any thoughts on the Clemens affair.

To my mind he's ties himself in knots. the points below combine to swing it for me
  • Andy Petit says Clemens said he did it
  • he has messed up dates consistently in his story (ies)
  • Why would he tell the truth about the other 59 names and then just add Clemens his big mate
  • Clemens' wife took HGH
  • McNamee has the syringes and swabs which he has handed over
  • The abscess in his ass is consistent with steroid injection - no recorded cases of it happening with b12 ever

I think he's going to have to cop to it, though he seems like he's ready to brass it out...


After 60 minutes - I thought he was guilty as sin

After his public press conference on ESPN where he played the taped phone conversation with McNamee - I thought he was innocent

Now I feel like he really believes he didnt do it. He is in denial. Maybe if I say enough times that I didnt do it, then I wont have done it. It looks ridiculous but Ill keep on denying it. My mates did it, my trainer says he gave it to me, my wifes admitted to doing it but Im clean



Oh and I forgot Im as big as a f**king house and what I shouldnt be wearing to court is a suit that highlights my monstrous size. :o


I enjoyed Clemens lawyer today on McNamees lawyer:


"He needs to stop smoking his own dope"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 20, 2008, 03:35:17 AM
Anyone watch Andy Pettites press conference at Yankee spring camp?


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 20, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
Clemens is as guilty as sin and then hangs his wife out to dry - Classy guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 20, 2008, 07:13:37 PM
aye- I watched the Pettite press conference, he sort of came out and said, Im sorry I did it when it wasn't against MLB rules, I did it to recover from injury more quickly and Im really sorry. He also came out and said "mac told the truth about me" He also said he felt for Clemens, but specifically did not back him up.

Clemens is going down...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 21, 2008, 04:17:15 AM
NBA
Shaq face to face with Kobe again for his new team, and Jason Kidd back in Dallas. Who do you fancy for the play offs and the title?


Phoenix have a great shot if Shaq can take care of himself and integrate into the team

Lakers with Bryant on form and Andrew Bynum back will be a match for most teams

Dallas??? Dont score enough

San Antonio look too old, infact they are the oldest team in the NBA

Pistons or Celtics??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 21, 2008, 08:46:41 AM
The Suns have taken a gamble here. Shawn Marion was very popular in Phoenix, and although he's been surpassed by Amare Stoudamire for the publicity in the past season or so, he was a very important part of the Suns run and gun offence. Shaq will bring a completely different dimension to the Suns, the big man at Centre, both offensively and defensively, but he is old, hurt and how hungry is he?

Shaq 6 years ago would have been the final piece in the jigsaw. Shaq now? Not so sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 21, 2008, 05:08:46 PM
Well I suppose he would have to put a positive spin on this, but Steve Nash seems pretty happy about the whole thing. Said that shaq told him he wouldnt let him down. If he can regain some hunger, work on the free throws and stay fit - it will be interesting to say the least. Its quite an open looking end to the season so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 21, 2008, 05:31:31 PM
Can see a Lakers - Celtics Final myself
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 21, 2008, 06:25:18 PM
Any thoughts on the Clemens affair.

To my mind he's ties himself in knots. the points below combine to swing it for me
  • Andy Petit says Clemens said he did it
  • he has messed up dates consistently in his story (ies)
  • Why would he tell the truth about the other 59 names and then just add Clemens his big mate
  • Clemens' wife took HGH
  • McNamee has the syringes and swabs which he has handed over
  • The abscess in his ass is consistent with steroid injection - no recorded cases of it happening with b12 ever

I think he's going to have to cop to it, though he seems like he's ready to brass it out...


Clemens to me is as guilty as sin, and I think the vast majority of the public agree with me. He always was an arrogant git although I always liked him when he was with Boston and pulled for him in Toronto.

His wife took HGH and he had no knowledge of it??? I find that hard to believe.
The most damning component of the whole situation is Andy petites testimony, that killls any credibility Clemens had.


By the way, some of those congressman are so out of touch with reality it is hard to believe they got elected. One guy lambasted mcnamee without having his story straight and by doing so told everyone he thought Clemens was truthful despite the fact that his team mate acknowledged that he and Clemens had talked openly about their use of steroids and HGH.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 21, 2008, 09:45:27 PM
big NBA trade today - could shake the East up

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 22, 2008, 12:09:18 AM
Cleveland seem to have come out winners in this trade! Wallace and Szczerbiak along with Le Bron should give them enough now to challenge Boston!
And still nothing from the Knicks >:(  Nobody will take any of their overpaid flops !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 22, 2008, 12:26:46 AM
would you blame them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 22, 2008, 02:00:05 AM
That was some comeback for Notre Dame! :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 22, 2008, 03:55:35 AM
Good trade for the Cavs.  Would have liked a bona fide point guard, but Wallace should be tough on the boards, and Wally "I'd like to buy a vowel" will give LeBron more room with his 3-point shooting.  Boston still the favorites in the East, but the three remaining games against the Pistons should be exciting.  Will the Cavs. have enough players left to play against Washington? I'll have to buy a program to keep track of the roster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 22, 2008, 05:06:30 AM
And still nothing from the Knicks >:(  Nobody will take any of their overpaid flops !

I presume the Knicks didn't get any interest in the end - last night's "heroics" in Philly probably put paid to any slight interest there was.

Its hard to know where they go from here - Thomas obviously has to go, as do the likes of Jerome James (how much is he earning?), Marbury, Jeffries and probably most of the squad except for Crawford, the younger lads like Lee, Balkman, Morris and maybe Collins (if he's ever going to be given a role), and perhaps Randolph. Curry, after showing some promise last year, has been awful this season, perhaps because of Randolph taking over some of his role, but regardless, he offers nothing in defense. Not sure about Nate Robinson - he's done very well at times in Marbury's absense, but like Crawford, blows a bit hot and cold. They're probably stuck with most of them anyway, given the contracts. They'll probably leave Thomas in place so that they can finish as low as possible at this stage to help them in the draft!



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 27, 2008, 08:08:47 PM
just heard on cnn that the justice dept is going to investigate wheather clemens committed perjury, that should take them all of 5 minutes. move over barry bonds you got company..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 27, 2008, 08:12:13 PM
It has to be in the affirmative.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on February 27, 2008, 08:27:06 PM
Still don't understand why Clemens wanted to go to Congress. If everything went for him, he didn't gain anything and if it went tits up (which it has) he's looking at jail time. I don't know if he was very badly advised or if he was just so arrogant that he thought he could blag it.

Probably the greatest pitcher ever (and certainly the greatest of the modern era) but you have to wonder whether his record means anything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 28, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
Still don't understand why Clemens wanted to go to Congress. If everything went for him, he didn't gain anything and if it went tits up (which it has) he's looking at jail time. I don't know if he was very badly advised or if he was just so arrogant that he thought he could blag it.

Probably the greatest pitcher ever (and certainly the greatest of the modern era) but you have to wonder whether his record means anything.

dont know if you've ever read george kimball sammy (boston sports writer (you a red sox fan and all!)) but he argues that clemens biggest problem is he's thick, most of the rest of his problems stem from that. as for his record, its junk imo..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rdw on February 28, 2008, 10:32:41 PM
Still don't understand why Clemens wanted to go to Congress. If everything went for him, he didn't gain anything and if it went tits up (which it has) he's looking at jail time. I don't know if he was very badly advised or if he was just so arrogant that he thought he could blag it.

Probably the greatest pitcher ever (and certainly the greatest of the modern era) but you have to wonder whether his record means anything.
HIs place in the Hall of fame relied on him being pardoned or at least admonished of guilt.
The stupid misguided arrrogant p***k.
Don't drop the soap Roger.
Title: Clemens case referred to Dept of Justice
Post by: heganboy on February 29, 2008, 04:44:54 PM
 The senate committee says there are 7 "inconsistencies" in his testimony
taken from http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-splott295595820feb29,0,6818107.story

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On the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform's Web site, the letter that refers Roger Clemens' case to the Department of Justice is posted along with a staff memo prepared for the chairman, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.). It breaks down the perjury case against Clemens in fascinating detail, almost as if it were a Cliffs Notes version of the Feb. 13 congressional hearing. Here is a summary of the memo's seven points made by Clemens under oath "that appear to be contradicted by other evidence before the committee or implausible."

1. CLEMENS SAID HE'S NEVER TAKEN STEROIDS OR HGH

Brian McNamee testified that he injected Clemens with performance-enhancing drugs in 1998, 2000 and 2001, which Clemens vehemently denied. However, Chuck Knoblauch and Andy Pettitte said McNamee told the truth about their use of performance-enhancing drugs. Therefore, the memo states, "There is little reason to believe that Mr. McNamee would provide truthful testimony about Mr. Pettitte and Mr. Knoblauch, but false testimony about Mr. Clemens.''
 
The memo also points out the contradiction that was perhaps most damning of all to Clemens: that his close friend, Pettitte, testified under oath that Clemens told him in 1999 or 2000 that he used HGH, and then in 2005 told Pettitte that is not accurate.

Under a "medical evidence'' sub-category, the memo focuses on an abscess Clemens developed on his buttocks in 1998, which McNamee believes was a result of a steroid shot he rushedDr. Mark Murphy, chief of musculoskeletal radiology at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, said an injury that appeared on an MRI was "more compatible with a Winstrol injection'' than a B-12 shot, as Clemens said.

2. CLEMENS SAID MCNAMEE INJECTED HIM WITH LIDOCAINE


Clemens said in his deposition that McNamee "gave me lidocaine once'' in my "lower back.'' However, McNamee said, "I never injected Roger Clemens or anyone else with lidocaine.'' The memo points out that Blue Jays trainer Tommy Craig and assistant trainer Scott Shannon testified that, essentially, a lidocaine shot by a trainer is unheard of.

3. CLEMENS TESTIFIED TEAM TRAINERS GAVE HIM PAIN INJECTIONS


Clemens testified that trainers from all four teams he played for gave him pain injections. However, the memo reports that trainers from the Blue Jays, Astros and Red Sox denied that in separate depositions. Only Yankees trainer Gene Monahan admitted to giving Clemens one injection, "a light dose of Toradol,'' which is a pain medication.

4. CLEMENS TESTIFIED THAT HE RECEIVED MANY B-12 INJECTIONS


The memo said, "When asked if he had received these injections from team doctors, nurses or team trainers, he replied, 'All of the above.''' However, the memo reports that they received Clemens' medical records dating from 1995 and that there is only one record of a B-12 injection, on the July 28, 1998 medical report regarding Clemens' abscess.

5. CLEMENS TESTIFIED HE NEVER DISCUSSED HGH WITH MCNAMEE


The memo called Clemens out for what they say are blatant lies. "In his deposition, Mr. Clemens was asked repeatedly whether he had spoken with Mr. McNamee about human growth hormone. He denied . . . These answers were not truthful.'' That's because Clemens later says he learned McNamee injected Clemens' wife, Debbie, with HGH after the fact, and "had two specific conversations with Mr. McNamee about HGH.''

6. CLEMENS TESTIFIED HE WAS NOT AT JOSE CANSECO'S HOUSE FROM JUNE 8 TO JUNE 10, 1998

Clemens was most adamant about this in his deposition. McNamee testified Clemens was there. However, the memo points out that the testimony by Clemens' nanny places him at the Canseco house. At the committee's hearing, Clemens testified that he was "not totally positive'' that he did not go to the Canseco home after playing golf to drop off his wife before going to the ballpark. The implication was that Clemens curiously changed his story.

7. CLEMENS SAID HE WAS "NEVER TOLD" ABOUT SEN. MITCHELL'S REQUEST


The memo references Clemens' interview with Mike Wallace on "60 Minutes'' in which he explained that he did not speak with Sen. George Mitchell because he "listened to counsel.'' But according to the memo, "In his deposition before the Committee, Mr. Clemens gave a different and contradictory explanation, stating at least six times under oath that he had no idea that Senator Mitchell was seeking to interview him.''
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 29, 2008, 08:22:54 PM
Still don't understand why Clemens wanted to go to Congress. If everything went for him, he didn't gain anything and if it went tits up (which it has) he's looking at jail time. I don't know if he was very badly advised or if he was just so arrogant that he thought he could blag it.

Probably the greatest pitcher ever (and certainly the greatest of the modern era) but you have to wonder whether his record means anything.

Nail hit on head sammy, arrogance has killed him.

As for him being the greatest pitcher ever, I would have to disagree, Koufax was the best ever however longevity is not in his favour. Clemens has gotten better with age and I think we all know why. I thought clemens was a tremendous pitcher when the Red Sox let him go and thought they had made a huge mistake. They brought Pedro in and they never missed a beat, how many titles would Boston have won if they had kept both?

Nolan Ryan is also up there. For me Clemens is number three on the list of best pitchers ever until it comes out that he lied, at that point I dont think he should even be considered. I consider him a liar and a fool, and worst of all, a walking advertisement of all that is wrong with professional sports in America.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 03, 2008, 06:07:09 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3274467

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The Pittsburgh Steelers and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger have agreed to a new eight-year, $102 million contract.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 04, 2008, 03:11:25 PM
Brett Favre hangs them up

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7870944/Favre-has-decided-to-call-it-a-career

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 04, 2008, 05:48:02 PM
Brett Favre hangs them up

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7870944/Favre-has-decided-to-call-it-a-career



Green Bay is in a state of shock, the state of Wisconsin is in shock.

Gab Hurl. You got to see them man in his final year, he will go down as one of the best three players ever to play the game.

It was time for him to move on. Aaron Rogers, the backup quarterback is going to be a stud, he will get the job done for Green Bay.

Nobody is talking about this but I wouldnt be surprised if Favre decides to unretire just before the end of training camp and I could see him in a Dolfins uniform. Call me a cynic but I dont think he has played his last down in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 04, 2008, 06:49:53 PM
I think Brett took a brave and wise decision. The last of the QBs who played for fun, and loved to take a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 04, 2008, 09:37:11 PM
Aye, he was great to watch, had that kind or gunslinger, chance-taker kinda vibe about him. even in the way he spoke. Great player, and perhaps deserved more than 1 superbowl but hey more than Dan Marino. He'll be in the hall of fame before you know it.

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
Reality check for all you Favre fans.......

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.


Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

In his 17 seasons, Brett Favre set numerous NFL records, including most yards passing (61,655) and most touchdowns (442).



But do those numbers, combined with Favre's three MVP awards and one Super Bowl victory, put him among the top 10 quarterbacks of all time?


After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.
In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.


If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.



But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.



Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 09, 2008, 10:18:33 PM
f**king detractors. How many times have they been hit by a linebacker and still bounced up and scored a touchdown?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on March 09, 2008, 10:31:31 PM
his debut for green bay as a starter was on 27 sept 1992 and he began every single game played by the packers until now, thats 253 consecutive starts (almost 100 more than the next qb on the list). enough said..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2008, 10:34:29 PM
excellence in durability no doubt. . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on March 18, 2008, 06:22:57 PM
March madness is coming up, I know we had a pick your bracket competition in the past. Can anyone remember which site we used?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2008, 06:23:55 PM
cbssportsline was it?

Can you bet on this? I fancy Georgetown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on March 19, 2008, 08:15:35 AM
I was on here a few months ago espousing the virtues of the Boston Celtics.. It was more in hope than evidence despite their NBA best start at the beginning of the season. Now at the business end, I am delighted to say that they are even better than anybody thought..
They just beat San Antonio (The champs) and Houston (22 wins in a row before last night) and have Dallas to come in the toughest road trip EVER in the Texas Triangle (Rated by many)

The GREEN MACHINE IS BACK
Celtics 94, Rockets 74
 (AP)
Breaking news: Celtics end it
The Celtics sent the hot Rockets back to earth last night. The second-longest winning streak in NBA history - 22 games - ended when the Celtics brought down the Rockets, 94-74, at the Toyota Center, handing Houston its first loss since Jan. 27. (Boston Globe, 12 a.m.)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 19, 2008, 11:42:19 AM
Anyone keeping an eye on the NFL draft, I havent myself really, plenty going on in the GAA NFL right now.
Would anyone be so kind to give me a run down on who's the movers and shakers this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 19, 2008, 12:12:11 PM
It's a slow enough draft in terms of the 'skills' positions this year. A lot of the top prospects are defensive ends or tackle or linebackers, and offensive linemen. The current sort of top 5 projections are looking at only Arkansas Running back (1,807 yards in 2007) and maybe Matt Ryan (QB - Boston College) as being in there as skills players.
The other players up there on most boards are Virginia DE Chris Long, Michigan Tackle Jake Long, Glenn Dorsey, DT from Louisiana State and Ryan Clady, an Offensive Tackle from Boise State.

I was reading a mock draft on cbssportline.com where this is the first round picks (assuming no trades, which there will be)

1. Miami Dolphins - Chris Long, Defensive End, Virginia to bolster the D line and help out Jason Taylor.
2. Saint Louis Rams - Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, Michigan
3. Atlanta Falcons - Glenn Dorsey, Defensive Tackle, Louisiana State. They might go for Ryan (QB) instead, but the feeling is they need to shore up the run defense.
4. Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden, Running Back, Arkansas. The only skill player in the top 5 of this mock, they reckon the Raiders will take him to give them a geniune RB.
5. Kansas City Chiefs - Ryan Clady, Offensive Tackle, Boise State. Will be picked to shore up the useless Chiefs line.

6. New York Jets - Vernon Gholston, Outside Linebacker, Ohio State. Will be drafted as a pass rushing Linebacker, and also has the speed to cover receivers in the slot.
7. New England Patriots (trade with San Francisco) - Leodis McKelvin, Cornerback, Troy State. They've lost Asante Samuel, so need a good corner.
8. Baltimore Ravens - Matt Ryan, Quarterback, Boston College - He may not fall so far, so the Ravens may need to trade, or Atlanta may pick him.
9. Cincinatti Bengals - Sedrick Ellis - Defensive Tackle, USC. - They need help on the run stop.
10. New Orleans Saints - Keith Rivers - Outside Linebacker - USC, - Another fast, powerful linebacker who can blitz and cover.

Other than the top 10.

11. Buffalo - Malcolm Kelly, WR Oklahoma.
12. Denver - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
13. Carolina - Derick Harvey, DE, Florida
14. Bears - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
15. Lions - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
16. Cardinals!!!!- Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Cornerback, Tennessee State.
17. Vikings - Philip Merling - DE Clemson
18. Texans - Jonathan Stewart - RB Oregon
19. Eagles - Limas Sweed, WR Texas
20. Buccs - Mike Jenkins, CB South Florida
21. Redskins - Calais Campbell, DE Miami
22. Cowboys, (trade from Cleveland) - DeSean Jackson, WR California
23. Steelers Aqib Talib, CB Kansas
24. Titans - Devin thomas, WR Michigan State
25. Seahawks - Kentwan Balmer, DT North Carolina
26. Jaguars - Brenden Albert, Guard/Tackle Virginia
27. Chargers - Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois
28. Felix Jones - RB Arkansas
29. 49ers (from Colts) Early Doucet, WR, LSU
30. Antoine Carson, CB, Arizona
31. New England Patiots forfeit the pick (Bellichek-gate)
31. Giants, Kenny Philips, Safety Miami
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on March 19, 2008, 01:47:01 PM
As I get older I get sadder and I spent a fair bit of time this year watching the combine. There may be a few surprises this year, some players did themselves huge favours at the combine that will see their positions shift, I'd say Jake Long may be one of the beneficiaries of this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 19, 2008, 02:26:24 PM
Thanks AZ,

Just looking at the Falcons Im just wondering where are they going to even start. They have Joey Harrington  back at QB, which isnt a great start. Chris Redmen gave a glimmer of hope last season in one game. But yes the run-D was attrocious as well.

Any idea was Ryan Clady on the Boise State team that won the Bowl game against OU. That was one hell of a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 19, 2008, 02:27:26 PM
I'm sure he was. That was 06/07 wasn't it? I think he's a senior this year, so he was probably a junior back then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 19, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Here you go Juice. He was a redshirt Freshman in 04, played in 05, 06 and 07. 6' 6'' and 319 lbs (nearly 23 stone weight). That's a lot of beef on the hoof.

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COLLEGE - (2007) Named first-team All-America by the AFCA and the Sporting News, second-team All-America by the Walter Camp Football Foundation and SI.com and third-team All-America by Rivals.com...Named first-team All-Western Athletic Conference....Named Boise State’s co-offensive lineman of the year...Key cog in the  Broncos offensive line that helped Boise State’s offense finish the regular season ranked fifth in the country in scoring, sixth in passing efficiency, ninth in total offense and 31st in rushing offense...Named to the PLAYBOY All-America Football Team...Named preseason first-team All-America by the Sporting News and second-team All-America by Nationalchamps.net...Named to Outland Trophy and Rotary Lombardi Watch Lists...Picked as a member of the preseason All-WAC team by the Sporting News and Blue Ribbon Yearbook...

 

(2006) Named second-team All-America by SI.com...Named first-team All-WAC...Started all 13 games at left tackle for the Broncos...Had a dominating season that helped Boise State finish the season second in the nation in scoring (39.69 ppg), second in rushing touchdowns (39), sixth in the nation in rushing (214.15 ypg), and 10th in the nation in total offense (420.62 ypg), while leading the WAC in rushing and finishing second in scoring and third in total offense...Named to SI.com Midseason All-America first team and CollegeFootballNews.com second team...Named to the Outland Trophy Watch List...Named to The Sporting News and Blue Ribbon Preseason All-WAC Teams...

 

(2005) Named first-team Freshman All-America by ESPN.com, second-team Freshman All-America by Rivals.com and CollegeFootballNews.com and third-team Freshman All-America by the Sporting News...Started 11 of Boise State’s 13 games at right tackle... Helped the Broncos finish ninth in the country in scoring (36.08), 19th in rushing (202.46) and fifth in rushing touchdowns (36)...

 

(2004) Redshirted for the Broncos...Originally signed with Boise State in February 2004.

 

HIGH SCHOOL - A 2004 graduate Eisenhower High School in Rialto, California...A first-team All-CVL selection, as well as a first-team All-County pick and a first-team All-CIF Division I honoree...Finished with 60 tackles, five sacks, and one fumble recovery...High school coach was Julius McChristian.

 

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 19, 2008, 03:13:51 PM
Here is PFW's mock draft.

QB Ryan, OT Long still projected to go 1-2

By Nolan Nawrocki
March 15, 2008


The following mock draft was excerpted from PFW’s soon-to-be-published 2008 Draft Preview book, with fresh commentary based on discussions with NFL sources.

 
1. Miami Dolphins — QB Matt Ryan, Boston College
The premium on the QB position gives Ryan an edge at the top spot. Jake McCown was signed to allow the Dolphins to compete from Day One, but expect Ryan to be in the starting lineup by season’s end, a la JaMarcus Russell for the Raiders a year ago, after he builds some confidence and becomes familiar with the playbook.

2. St. Louis Rams — OLT Jake Long, Michigan
The Rams swung and missed on Alan Faneca in free agency and must find a way to keep the pocket clean for Marc Bulger to make Scott Linehan’s offense go. With Orlando Pace aging and injury-prone, Long is a no-brainer. He could start at either right tackle or left guard from Day One and be prepared to take over for Pace when he retires.

3. Atlanta Falcons — DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU
The release of DT Rod Coleman created a void in the middle for Mike Smith’s preferred 4-3 defense. Dorsey is a very safe pick for a first-time general manager.

4. Oakland Raiders — DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State (Jr.)
Al Davis has been and always will be a numbers guy, and Darren McFadden will certainly remain in the mix after running a blistering 40 at the Combine. However, with Tommy Kelly kicking inside full time to replace Warren Sapp, Tyler Brayton departing in free agency and Derrick Burgess having only one year left on a contract that he has outplayed, Davis needs to give more serious thought to strengthening the defensive line. Considered by some longtime evaluators to be the most naturally gifted player in the draft, Gholston should benefit from an outstanding pro-day workout that could help solidify a top-five spot.

5. Kansas City Chiefs — OLT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh
The Chiefs typically send a contingent of personnel executives to evaluate first-round selections, and their presence at Ryan Clady’s workout was minimal. While the fifth overall slot seems very rich for Otah, his powerful style best fits Herm Edwards’ preferred smashmouth style, as well as that of new offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.

6. New York Jets — OLB Chris Long, Virginia
Long brings tremendous versatility to a Jets defense that has lacked the versatile personnel required to seamlessly switch up their front the same way Eric Mangini did in New England.

7. New England Patriots (from San Francisco) — RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas (Jr.)
Fumbling issues can often be corrected, and Bill Belichick has proven he could take players with questionable character such as Corey Dillon and Randy Moss and manage them properly with the help of a strong veteran locker room of leaders. It may still prove to be too risky a proposition for the Pats, given McFadden’s off-field transgressions and his loyalty to a family that has created trouble for him. However, Belichick and Scott Pioli are nonconformists who think outside the box and enjoy going against the grain, and McFadden’s body of work will be very tempting to consider.

8. Baltimore Ravens — CB-RS Leodis McKelvin, Troy
The image of the Ravens’ corners getting scorched in coverage was all too familiar a year ago. McKelvin’s special return ability is what should make him the first corner drafted.

9. Cincinnati Bengals — OLT Ryan Clady, Boise State (Jr.)
The Bengals struggled to stay healthy on the offensive line a year ago and have an aging, increasingly injured pair of bookends in Willie Anderson and Levi Jones. They must look hard at the trenches on both sides of the ball, and Clady could bring more long-term value than Sedrick Ellis.

10. New Orleans Saints — CB-KR Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
The Saints were victimized early and often with Jason David in the lineup, and they were not willing to outbid the Eagles for Asante Samuel. Sean Payton has shown an affinity for small-school talent and has made stars out of Marques Colston and Jahri Evans.

11. Buffalo Bills — DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
The Bills recognize value and are thin inside after cutting Larry Tripplett. Ellis will command double-teams inside and would be a great fit for Perry Fewell’s defense.

12. Denver Broncos — WLB Keith Rivers, USC
The Broncos cut Ian Gold and have not been as strong at the LB position since Al Wilson departed a year ago. Rivers brings versatility to play any LB position and could start from Day One alongside D.J. Williams.

13. Carolina Panthers — RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon (Jr.)
Although he recently underwent surgery to correct a broken bone in his foot, Stewart’s draft status likely will not be affected much. His combination of size, strength and speed is rare.

14. Chicago Bears — OLT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt
With John Tait better-suited for the right side, which Fred Miller has now vacated, Williams would be a natural fit and could upgrade what had become an overaged unit.

15. Detroit Lions — CB-RS Aqib Talib, Kansas (Jr.)
The Lions cut Fernando Bryant from a secondary that was victimized heavily through the air a year ago. They need to create more pressure up front, but Talib’s size and instincts make him most naturally suited for a zone scheme. Rashard Mendenhall may not escape the top 15, however, after the Lions cut Kevin Jones, failed to land Julius Jones and signed Tatum Bell to only a one-year deal.

16. Arizona Cardinals — RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois (Jr.)
Cornerback could be a more pressing need, but with few options available and Edgerrin James losing a step, Ken Whisenhunt will be looking to strengthen a power running game.

17. Minnesota Vikings — DE Derrick Harvey, Florida (Jr.)
Injuries have depleted the Vikings’ depth on the edges, and after coming up short on a deal for Justin Smith, they will be looking very closely at pass rushers early.

18. Houston Texans — OT Gosder Cherilus, Boston College
Cherilus comes versed in the zone-blocking scheme that B.C. head coach Jeff Jagodzinski learned under new Texans assistant Alex Gibbs. Gary Kubiak has shown he prefers to build in the trenches.

19. Philadelphia Eagles — DE Phillip Merling, Clemson (Jr.)
The Eagles could be a prime candidate to trade up and nab an offensive tackle, but after releasing Jevon Kearse and failing to reap returns on Darren Howard in free agency last year, they might continue to stack the line with versatile pass rushers the way their NFC East rival Giants have.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — WR-RS DeSean Jackson, California (Jr.)
Jackson is too small and injury-prone for many teams to consider in the first round, but his speed and return ability could easily fool a team into making him the first receiver drafted.

21. Washington Redskins — DE Calais Campbell, Miami (Fla.) (Jr.)
After hiring fiery former Miami (Fla.) DL coach John Palermo, under whom Campbell had his best season as a sophomore, the Redskins are a natural fit, especially given their need to create more pass-rush pressure.

22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland) — RB Felix Jones, Arkansas (Jr.)
Jerry Jones remains a candidate to package Marion Barber and a first-round pick this year and next in an effort to trade up to land Darren McFadden, who would give the Cowboys an exciting new set of triplets and help open his stadium in style. If he has to settle for keeping Barber and selecting the Hog back sharing his last name to replace the one that just left (Julius), his backfield could be more balanced.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers — OLG-OLT Branden Albert, Virginia (Jr.)
The Steelers were not able to keep Pro Bowl OLG Alan Faneca, but they could find another potential Pro Bowler by drafting his replacement in the first round.

24. Tennessee Titans — WR Limas Sweed, Texas
Sweed won some big games with Vince Young and has a built-in rapport that should allow him to acclimate to the offense more quickly than many other receivers.

25. Seattle Seahawks — OLT Sam Baker, USC
With Walter Jones turning 34 and Ray Willis having failed to pan out, the Seahawks need to think about keeping Matt Hasselbeck healthy.

26. Jacksonville Jaguars — MLB Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma (Jr.)
Mike Peterson has struggled to stay healthy the past two seasons, and Jack Del Rio could use another tough-minded linebacker who can bring a swagger to the defense.

27. San Diego Chargers — SS Kenny Phillips, Miami (Fla.) (Jr.)
Marlon McCree has departed for the Broncos, and Clinton Hart was barely serviceable, leaving a void in the secondary alongside last year’s second-rounder Eric Weddle. Like last year, if the Chargers want to find a starting safety, they are going to have to reach for one in a very average class.

28. Dallas Cowboys — WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma (Jr.)
Jerry Jones is intent on finding more playmakers for his franchise quarterback, and Kelly’s size and secure hands make him a great fit in Jason Garrett’s offense.

29. San Francisco 49ers (from Indianapolis) — WR-KR Devin Thomas, Michigan State (Jr.)
The Niners are devoid of playmakers and need to give fourth-year quarterback Alex Smith more weapons. Thomas could be used in many ways like a running back in Mike Martz’s offense.

30. Green Bay Packers — CB-KR Mike Jenkins, South Florida
Jenkins has the man cover skills sought in the Packers’ defense and would be drafted sooner if not for questions about his character. He could be worth a gamble in this spot by a confident decision-maker such as Ted Thompson.

(—) New England Patriots — Forfeited pick

31. New York Giants — CB Patrick Lee, Auburn
Despite drafting Aaron Ross a year ago, the Giants must continue to get younger in the secondary, and Lee provides the special-teams value as a gunner to contribute immediately and could make an impact in the slot.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on March 21, 2008, 12:00:23 PM
It gets better for Boston every day  ;D
A Texas 3 step sweep...
GO CELTICS

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080321
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on March 21, 2008, 01:38:27 PM
I'd be hoping Miami take Ryan with the first pick, leaving Chris Long for the Jets. He looks unreal and the Jets need someone to replace Vilma. Even if Miami take Long with the first pick, hopefully the Jets would get Gholston, who is also touted as a future star. Either way, should be a good draft for the Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on April 03, 2008, 04:54:22 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-klosterman.html?ref=basketball (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-klosterman.html?ref=basketball)


Good article on how one player if he is good enough can effect the entire ethos of a team for good..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 07, 2008, 04:31:33 PM
PFW's new mock draft

First round

1. Miami Dolphins
OT Jake Long, Michigan

It doesn’t matter who the quarterback is if he doesn’t have time to throw. With Long protecting the blind side, QB Josh McCown may not have to run for his life for the first time in his career. The time-tested, proven way to build a football team is in the trenches, and Bill Parcells knows that as well as anyone.

2. St. Louis Rams
DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU

The Rams’ track record of drafting defensive tackles in the first round has been very suspect. However, the team’s brain trust is wise enough not to let past mistakes cloud its judgment of a legitimate talent with great passion.

3. Atlanta Falcons
QB Matt Ryan, Boston College

If the Falcons are to put the past behind them, nothing could do it better than a new face of the franchise at the most important position. Ryan has all the tools to become great.

4. Oakland Raiders
DE Vernon Gholston*, Ohio State

The Raiders’ ground game was not the problem last year, when they ranked sixth in the league in rushing. With Tyler Brayton (free agency) and Warren Sapp (retirement) gone, Tommy Kelly returning from a serious injury and a disgruntled Derrick Burgess having outplayed his contract, Gholston will provide the most help.

5. Kansas City Chiefs
RB Darren McFadden*, Arkansas

The Chiefs desperately want to trade down, but Carl Peterson has never shied away from the strategy of taking the best player overall. With the looming pressure to win immediately and Larry Johnson coming off injury, he may have to restrain himself from filling bigger needs at tackle and cornerback if forced to stay at the No. 5 slot.

6. New York Jets
RB Jonathan Stewart*, Oregon

Signing Calvin Pace filled a void at the OLB position. The Jets signed Alan Faneca and Damien Woody to establish a power-running game. All the offense lacks is a smashmouth back. After having surgery on his toe, Stewart is expected to be fully ready for training camp and could bring the blend of power and speed that’s missing from the Jets’ offense.

7. New England Patriots (from San Francisco)
OLB-DE Chris Long, Virginia

The Patriots have not drafted a linebacker in the first round since Bill Belichick came to New England, but Long’s versatility will be too attractive to pass up. A strategist like Belichick could utilize him in many ways.

8. Baltimore Ravens
CB-RS Leodis McKelvin, Troy

Age and injuries have wounded the Ravens’ secondary. McKelvin could step in from Day One and start.

9. Cincinnati Bengals
NT Sedrick Ellis, USC

The Bengals tried hard to acquire help inside via free agency but were not able to make a splash. Ellis could provide new defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer with scheme versatility, allowing him to move between the 3-4 and 4-3.

10. New Orleans Saints
CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State

His speed will be very attractive to a team with a major void at cornerback and a history of drafting speed. Small-school talent has paid big dividends for Sean Payton.

11. Buffalo Bills
WR Devin Thomas*, Michigan State

One-year wonders always pose some risk, but Thomas has playmaking ability that could open up the offense for Trent Edwards and complement Lee Evans very nicely.

12. Denver Broncos
OLT Ryan Clady*, Boise State

Clady’s lack of upper-body strength, low Wonderlic score and questionable passion for the game could push him down the board, but strength is not as important as athletic ability in the Broncos’ zone-blocking scheme.

13. Carolina Panthers
DRE Derrick Harvey*, Florida

With Mike Rucker likely in his final year in Carolina, Harvey could benefit from a year as Rucker’s backup and see considerable action in rotational duty as a rookie.

14. Chicago Bears
ORT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh

Otah’s powerful style suits the Bears’ running game. His lack of foot speed could prevent him from being drafted higher.

15. Detroit Lions
RB Rashard Mendenhall*, Illinois

With a pressing need in the backfield following the release of Kevin Jones, Mendenhall could step into the starting lineup from Day One and be asked to shoulder the workload.

16. Arizona Cardinals
DE Phillip Merling*, Clemson

With no runner or cornerback worthy of the 16th pick, Merling could best help a pass rush that lost Calvin Pace, having shown the toughness to play through a sports hernia injury that he suffered during the second half of his junior season.

17. Minnesota Vikings
WR Mario Manningham*, Michigan

With Troy Williamson sent packing, Tarvaris Jackson needs a legitimate downfield threat to open up the offense. The Vikings have always been willing to overlook a wart or two in the character department in order to secure a great talent.

18. Houston Texans
OT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt

An excellent fit for Alex Gibbs’ zone-blocking scheme, Williams’ lack of strength and explosion could be concealed with all the leaning and cutting the Texans’ line is asked to do.

19. Philadelphia Eagles
OT-OG Branden Albert*, Virginia

With versatility to help inside or outside, Albert could be very attractive to an Eagles brain trust that may be looking to move up to land a tackle.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WR Limas Sweed, Texas

Jon Gruden’s offense could receive a spark from a big, strong, acrobatic receiver like Sweed.

21. Washington Redskins
DE Calais Campbell*, Miami (Fla.)

New DL coach John Palermo has proven he could get the most out of Campbell and should be able to get him to cut some weight to regain the burst he showed as a sophomore when Palermo coached him in Coral Gables.

22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland)
RB Felix Jones*, Arkansas

With Marion Barber in tow, Jones could be a very good complement and make a big contribution in the return game.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers
OT Gosder Cherilus, Boston College

Cherilus possesses the power and strength that defines the Steelers’ ground game. With Marvel Smith struggling to stay healthy, Cherilus could easily be pressed into duty early.

24. Tennessee Titans
WR Malcolm Kelly*, Oklahoma

Questions about the health of Kelly’s knees and a lack of speed may keep him from getting drafted sooner. Vince Young could take major strides with a sure-handed, big target whom he could trust to attack the many jump balls he tosses.

25. Seattle Seahawks
OLT Sam Baker, USC

The Seahawks need to begin thinking about replacing Walter Jones. Giving his replacement some time to learn from one of the game’s greats could pay big dividends down the line.

26. Jacksonville Jaguars
DE Lawrence Jackson, USC

With Jack Del Rio exerting more influence in the draft room, a former Trojan like himself could help upgrade an aging pass rush in need of help off the edges.

27. San Diego Chargers
NT Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina

Balmer could be a few years away from contributing, which is acceptable on a very talented roster. His overall strength makes him ideally suited to play in a 3-4 front.

28. Dallas Cowboys
CB-PR Aqib Talib*, Kansas

A Pacman Jones experiment may or may not work out, and Talib could bring a similar swagger and much more size to the secondary to help match up with the likes of Plaxico Burress.

29. San Francisco (from Indianapolis)
LB Keith Rivers, USC

The lack of need at the LB position could keep Rivers from being drafted sooner and work out very favorably for the Niners. Rivers’ versatility could be a plus in San Francisco.

30. Green Bay Packers
TE Martellus Bennett*, Texas A&M

With the Packers having released Bubba Franks and in need of a blocking tight end who could also pose matchup problems in the passing game, Bennett could help ease the transition of Aaron Rodgers in his first year as the starting quarterback.

31. New England Patriots

Forfeited pick

32. New York Giants
CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida

Despite drafting Aaron Ross in the first round last year, the Giants need more depth in the secondary, and Tom Coughlin has gotten the most out of players who don’t like to practice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on April 07, 2008, 05:40:59 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-klosterman.html?ref=basketball (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-klosterman.html?ref=basketball)


Good article on how one player if he is good enough can effect the entire ethos of a team for good..

Could someone post Tom Humphs article on Len Bias' death on the board. That knocked the Celtic nation back years. Tom if your looking in, can you score tickets for the playoff's seeing as I gave you an idea for an article...!

Keep up the good work. No doubt the story of the season will be the Boston Celtics this year!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on April 14, 2008, 10:57:41 AM


http://www.nba.com/aroundtheassociation/newlookceltics_atareview.html (http://www.nba.com/aroundtheassociation/newlookceltics_atareview.html)

The big 3 and the changes that they have wrought on the Celtics this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 15, 2008, 03:48:19 PM
New mock draft

1. Miami Dolphins — OLT Jake Long, Michigan
The safest pick in the draft, the Dolphins will not go wrong with the behemoth from Michigan.

2. St. Louis Rams — DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU
With rookie DTs Clifton Ryan and Adam Carriker performing well last season, the Rams have a bigger need at defensive end. Vernon Gholston could prove to be the best fit and the biggest difference maker, but he may not be as ready from Day One as Chris Long. The Rams are still doing their homework, with the Dolphins breaking their hearts by pursuing Jake Long. All that appears certain is that St. Louis will draft a defensive lineman. However, until the Rams’ doctors get a closer look at Dorsey in his upcoming two-day visit at the facility, a decision will not be made. Dorsey currently carries the most interest from the Rams’ brass, but with Carriker having finished the season at the three-technique position, Rams coaches need to figure out a plan before proceeding. Adding Dorsey could create a glut inside and leave the edges devoid of speed. Vernon Gholston could make a late run.

3. Atlanta Falcons — QB Matt Ryan, Boston College
With Long and Dorsey off the board, the decision becomes easy for new Falcons bossman Thomas Dimitroff. He may just have to package a pick or two to get back into the first round to make sure he can land more protection for his future franchise quarterback.

4. Oakland Raiders — RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas*
Al Davis cannot help himself, and he could be faced with a bit of a dilemma if Vernon Gholston remains on the board. However, with character not being a factor in his decision, the Raiders’ owner will side with the big-play weapon who will put fans in the seats, best help the enormous investment he made in JaMarcus Russell and make the most immediate impact.

5. Kansas City Chiefs — DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State*
This pick may not make a lot of sense on the surface, but with the Chiefs involved in trade talks, do not be surprised if they add the draft’s most physically impressive specimen to their defensive line. Despite a more pressing need at cornerback, Herm Edwards is a defensive-minded coach who knows championships are won with a fierce pass rush.

6. New York Jets — OLB Chris Long, Virginia
Drafting a projection in the top 10 is a risky proposition, regardless of how safe of a pick Chris Long would appear to be. After the Jets blocked the Dolphins from signing ex-Cardinals free-agent OLB Calvin Pace, Long could finally give the Jets the pieces they have lacked in the 3-4 front to bring pressure on defense. Al Groh’s recommendation should carry a lot of weight in New York, and Long’s versatility is a big plus. Nonetheless, it could be very difficult to pass on a power back like Jonathan Stewart, especially with McFadden already off the board.

7. New England Patriots (from San Francisco) — DE Derrick Harvey, Florida*
Harvey is a power pass rusher with enough of a frame to beef up and bolster the Patriots’ defensive line. He looked much more impressive at his pro day than he did at the Combine in LB drills. The big question facing the Patriots is whether Harvey is smart enough to handle learning a new game plan every week.

8. Baltimore Ravens — CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy
The Ravens are a prime candidate to trade down, but if forced to stay put, the draft’s top cornerback will be too difficult to pass up.

9. Cincinnati Bengals — DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
Being able to acquire Jets DT Dewayne Robertson could still change the Bengals’ outlook, but it appears unlikely at this point, and Ellis provides the youth needed in the middle.

10. New Orleans Saints — RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon*
GM Mickey Loomis graduated from Oregon and is well aware of Stewart’s rare talent. The Saints did not get the production out of the backfield that Loomis had hoped from Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush, and McAllister could easily be sent packing. Loomis has shown in the past, when he was part of the regime that drafted McAllister in the first round while Ricky Williams was on the roster, how much the Saints value the RB position. Sean Payton believes in drafting value, and that could make it difficult to pass Stewart at this spot.

11. Buffalo Bills — WR Devin Thomas, Michigan State*
Thomas’ one year of production makes teams nervous about drafting him too high. However, the Bills need to find a complement for Lee Evans and another target to support the growth of Trent Edwards. Thomas, at this point, could look better than any of the cornerbacks.

12. Denver Broncos — OLT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt
With Jay Cutler having played with Chris Williams for two years at Vanderbilt and Mike Shanahan wanting to protect his investment in Cutler, Williams could climb ahead of Ryan Clady in the draft order.

13. Carolina Panthers — OLT-OG Branden Albert, Virginia*
Albert is smart, explosive and versatile and could step into the starting lineup immediately at left tackle, upgrade the offensive line and swap spots with Travelle Wharton if he struggles initially.

14. Chicago Bears — OLT Ryan Clady, Boise State*
The Bears have a glaring need on the offensive line and will have to consider their options between Jeff Otah and Ryan Clady if Clady slides. Otah better fits the Bears’ power running game.

15. Detroit Lions — LB Jerod Mayo, Tennessee*
To make the Tampa-2 defense go, a linebacker with great range is critical, and Mayo could add the Derrick Brooks element to the Lions’ "D."

16. Arizona Cardinals — RB Rashad Mendenhall, Illinois*
After questionably passing on Adrian Peterson a year ago, the Cardinals need to find a young back to replace the aging Edgerrin James, and Mendenhall looks more attractive at this point than the best cornerback.

17. Minnesota Vikings — OT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh
With Bryant McKinnie facing legal trouble and the ORT position having been an area of weakness, Otah could step in immediately and add an element of power to pave more holes for the NFL’s most exciting runner.

18. Houston Texans — CB Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State
With a run having taken place on offensive tackles, the Texans will be forced to look at their need at cornerback, where they struggled to stay healthy a year ago.

19. Philadelphia Eagles — WR Limas Sweed, Texas
A prime candidate to trade up and secure a left tackle of the future, the Eagles also need to find more playmakers for Donovan McNabb, and Sweed’s combination of size, work habits and big-play ability could be very attractive at this spot, especially with Jon Gruden drafting next and facing a very similar predicament with a very similar West Coast offense.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida
The Buccaneers are looking to be more creative on defense and need a cornerback who can man-cover. Gruden and Bruce Allen have shown they will sacrifice character for elite talent.

21. Washington Redskins — DE Phillip Merling, Clemson*
Merling has the size and motor desired in the Redskins’ defense and could be more attractive than the slow-footed Calais Campbell at this point.

22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland) — RB Felix Jones, Arkansas*
Jerry Jones’ mission is to support the growth of his quarterback, and Felix Jones should definitely take some pressure off Romo. Despite not having been featured as a pass catcher, Jones catches the ball very well.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers — OT Gosder Cherilus, Boston College
The Steelers have always been and will continue to be a smashmouth blocking team, and Cherilus fits very well with what they want to establish.

24. Tennessee Titans — DT Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina
Any general manager who gives Albert Haynesworth a multiyear megadeal is asking to be fired, and the Titans have to be prepared to replace the mercurial defensive tackle. DL coach Jim Washburn has shown he can get the most out of underachievers.

25. Seattle Seahawks — TE Dustin Keller, Purdue
Keller could become a playmaking weapon in Mike Holmgren’s spread offense, capable of lining up in the slot and making plays all over the field.

26. Jacksonville Jaguars — DE Calais Campbell, Miami (Fla.)*
Jack Del Rio has been successful with big men who do not always test the greatest. Campbell’s upside will keep teams interested late in the first round.

27. San Diego Chargers — LB Keith Rivers, USC
The Chargers are not likely to remain in this position and could deal the pick to a team looking to move up to land a quarterback or offensive tackle. Not having picks in the next three rounds, they could be best-served moving down. However, if they stay put, they will recognize Rivers’ value and not hesitate to pull the trigger.

28. Dallas Cowboys — CB Aqib Talib, Kansas*
Jerry Jones has shown he is willing to give second and third chances to troubled players, and Talib’s size, swagger and athletic ability will be attractive to the owner, as could his ability to dabble on offense.

29. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) — ILB Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma*
Pairing Lofton with Patrick Willis could secure the middle of the Niners' defense and give them one of the best LB groups in the NFL at a position that could not be more important in a 3-4 front.

30. Green Bay Packers — OG-OT Sam Baker, USC
Baker could step in at guard from Day One a la the Patriots’ Logan Mankins, fill a pressing need and be groomed to take over on the edge, although his lack of arm length could make him best-suited inside.

— New England Patriots — Pick forfeited.

31. New York Giants — CB Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech*
Most teams were disappointed at the Combine when Flowers ran poorly. The Giants, holding the last pick in the first round, will be more pleased that a good football player is falling to them.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 16, 2008, 01:11:02 PM
IAFL Update

2008 SCHEDULE

Week     Date            Away Team                       @            Home Team                K.O.
 
0           March 16th   Univ. of Limerick Vikings       @            D.C.U. Saints               1pm
 
1           March 30th   Belfast Bulls                        @            Cork Admirals               2pm
                               Dublin Rebels                      @            Belfast Trojans             2pm
                               Carrickfergus Knights            @            D.C.U. Saints               2pm

2           April 6th       Belfast Trojans                    @            Univ.Limerick Vikings     2pm
                               Dublin Rhinos                       @           Carrickfergus Knights     2pm
                               Tallaght Outlaws                  @           Cork Admirals                2pm
 
3           April 13th      Univ.Limerick Vikings            @           Belfast Bulls                  2pm
                                Dublin Rebels                      @           Dublin Rhinos                2pm
                                D.C.U. Saints                      @           Tallaght Outlaws           2pm
 
4           April 20th      Cork Admirals                      @           Dublin Rebels                2pm
                                Belfast Bulls                        @           Belfast Trojans              2pm
 
5           April 27th      Dublin Rhinos                      @           D.C.U. Saints                2pm
                                Belfast Trojans                    @           Carrickfergus Knights      2pm
                                Tallaght Outlaws                 @           Univ.Limerick Vikings      2pm
 
6           May 4th         D.C.U. Saints                     @           Dublin Rebels                 2pm
                                 Cork Admirals                     @          Univ. Limerick Vikings       2pm
                                 Carrickfergus Knights           @          Belfast Bulls                   2pm
 
7           May 11th       Tallaght Outlaws                 @           Dublin Rhinos                2pm
                                 Belfast Trojans                   @           Belfast Bulls                  2pm
 
8           May 18th        Cork Admirals                     @         Tallaght Outlaws             2pm
                                  Dublin Rhinos                    @           Dublin Rebels                2pm
                                  Carrickfergus Knights          @          Belfast Trojans               2pm
 
9           May 25th        Univ. Limerick Vikings          @          Cork Admirals                  2pm
                                 Dublin Rebels                      @          D.C.U. Saints                 2pm
                                  Belfast Bulls                       @          Carrickfergus Knights       2pm
 
10         June 1st          Univ. Limerick Vikings          @          Tallaght Outlaws            2pm
                                  Endicott College (NY)         @           IAFL North                    2pm
 
11         June 8th          D.C.U. Saints                     @          Dublin Rhinos                 2pm
 
12         June 15th        Cork Admirals                    @           Carrickfergus Knights       2pm
                                   Belfast Bulls                      @           Dublin Rebels                 2pm
                                   Belfast Trojans                  @           Dublin Rhinos                 2pm
 
13         June 22nd        Tallaght Outlaws               @            Belfast Trojans              2pm
                                   Dublin Rebels                    @            Univ. Limerick Vikings     2pm
 
14          June 29th        Dublin Rhinos                   @            Cork Admirals                 2pm
                                   Carrickfergus Knights         @            Tallaght Outlaws             2pm
                                   D.C.U. Saints                    @            Belfast Bulls                   2pm

              July 6th                                           Bye week
  
  
              July 13th                                         Bye week
  
 WC         July 20th          Wildcard #2                    v             Wildcard #1                  2pm
 
SEMI        July 27th         Division Winner #3            @           Division Winner #2           2pm
                                     Wildcard Winner              @            Division Winner #1          2pm
 
              August 3rd                                     Bye Week
 
FINAL      August 10th                         SHAMROCK BOWL XXII             Venue TBA        2pm
 

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The Irish American Football League (IAFL) has now published its league fixtures for 2008. Nine teams from various parts of the country will compete for the Shamrock Bowl. The regular season will start on 16th March 2008 when defending Champions, Univ. of Limerick Vikings visit the Dublin City Univ. Saints. This game will also serve as the 2008 College Championship game. The regular season will finish in late June with the top 5 teams advancing to the play-offs which will take place during July. Shamrock Bowl XXII, the National Championship game, will take place on Sunday 10th August 2008.

The IAFL has retained its divisional structure. Each team will play 8 regular season games - 4 games within their division and 4 games against teams in other divisions. For the first time ever, the IAFL has introduced a scheduling formula which, like the NFL, grades the strength of schedule for each team according to their league positions in the previous season. The Divisional line-up for 2008 is as follows:

IAFL North:
Belfast Bulls, Belfast Trojans, Carrickfergus Knights.

IAFL Central:
Dublin Rebels, DCU Saints, Dublin Rhinos.

IAFL South:
Univ. of Limerick Vikings, Cork Admirals, Tallaght Outlaws.



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NEW DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE.

The IAFL has started up a new development league for 2008. This league, called the DV-8s league will be used to assist new formed teams in getting kitted football experience before entering the main IAFL league and also to allow existing teams to field “B” teams of mainly rookie players to help get them experience. Whereas American football is usually played with 11 players on the field at any time, the DV-8s league will have only 8 players on the field at any time – not unlike Arena football in the USA. This means that new teams with smaller squads who are not strong enough to compete in the main league can play in the DV-8s league as a squad size of c.20 players would be sufficient to be competitive. There are also some other rule changes to facilitate the development of new players including a rule which states that each team must have a minimum of 5 players with less than 2 years experience on the field at any time. Like the main IAFL league, the DV-8s league will be full kitted, full contact adult American football. The schedule for the DV-8s league will be released early in 2008. The participants include 3 teams new to the IAFL, 1 team which has dropped down from full IAFL level and 2 “B” teams. All of the new teams are expected to step up to full IAFL level within 2 years.

DV-8s Line-up:

Craigavon Cowboys
Edenderry Soldiers
Trinity College Thunderbolts
Dublin Dragons
Cork Admirals “B” team.
Dublin Rebels “B” team.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 18, 2008, 09:53:48 PM
Great coverage on Espn.com of the draft, past and present. Below is a link to the top 50 Busts, there is also a section on the top 50 Steals. Ryan Leaf & Tom Brady top the respective lists unsurprisingly.........

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3325687
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 19, 2008, 05:21:22 AM
Is there any hope for the knicks next year? at least there's a new coach coming to town
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 19, 2008, 03:52:14 PM
Is there any hope for the knicks next year? at least there's a new coach coming to town

At least Thomas is out now, thats a start in the right direction. If they can get Derrick Rose in the draft and try and learn to defend they may have some chance of making the playoffs as the east isnt the strongest right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 23, 2008, 05:31:17 AM
Jake Long signs with Miami as the #1 pick,  58 million deal- not bad just out of college.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on April 23, 2008, 05:40:59 AM
Jake Long signs with Miami as the #1 pick,  58 million deal- not bad just out of college.

I thought the draft wasn't until Saturday?

I hope the falcons don't take Ryan, hope they take Dorsey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 24, 2008, 03:05:59 PM
The Phins just declared that they would pick Jake Long, I dont know why they would so early but its up to them. I think they should have traded down. $58m is a lot for some one who has yet to snap a ball in the NFL. Apparently he is already the highest paid O-Lineman in the NFL by getting picked #1 overall. I think the #1 pick is a bit of a poison chalice, JaMarcus Russell is on the same money as LaDanian Tomlinson, how is that right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2008, 03:10:22 PM
The Phins just declared that they would pick Jake Long, I dont know why they would so early but its up to them. I think they should have traded down. $58m is a lot for some one who has yet to snap a ball in the NFL. Apparently he is already the highest paid O-Lineman in the NFL by getting picked #1 overall. I think the #1 pick is a bit of a poison chalice, JaMarcus Russell is on the same money as LaDanian Tomlinson, how is that right?

They didnt trade down because nobody wanted to trade up for two reasons, the money involved for a #1 pick and there is no "cant miss" player in this draft. It is viewed as quite a thin draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on April 24, 2008, 03:24:02 PM
Is there any hope for the knicks next year? at least there's a new coach coming to town

The word is the new GM from Indiana will lookat Tom Thibideau who is with Boston this year. I know they got Garnett who has just been named defensive POY but the difference in defence since last year has been astounding.

Its looking more and more like a Celtics v Lakers final...


http://www.nba.com/playoffs2008/index.html (http://www.nba.com/playoffs2008/index.html)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 24, 2008, 04:18:52 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the baseball season is getting into full stride. The Dbacks are going well in the NL west, and Brandon Webb is already a 5 game winner as they have a 6 game lead. If they can keep going it will be another good season for them


American League
American League East
Boston            15    8
Baltimore    12    9
New York      12     10
Tampa Bay    10      11
Toronto        10     12

AL Central
Chicago    11    9
Minnesota      10     11
Kansas City    9    11
Detroit    9    13
Cleveland    8    12

AL West
Los Angeles    13    9
Oakland    13    9
Seattle    11    11
Texas    7    15    

National League
National League East
Florida    13    8
New York    11    9
Philadelphia    11    11
Atlanta    10    11
Washington    6    16

AL Central
Chicago    15    6
Milwaukee    13    8
St. Louis    13    9    
Houston    10    12    
Pittsburgh    9    12    
Cincinnati    9    13    

AL West
Arizona    15    6
Colorado    9    12
Los Angeles    9    12
San Diego    9    13
San Francisco    9    13
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 24, 2008, 07:00:08 PM
Cubs get their 10,000 win against the Rockies- only second team in history to do it. Now a world series to go with the 100 year void.

White Sox and Cubs leading their divisions, crosstown world series would be incredible.

 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 24, 2008, 07:05:42 PM
Cubs get their 10,000 win against the Rockies- only second team in history to do it. Now a world series to go with the 100 year void.

White Sox and Cubs leading their divisions, crosstown world series would be incredible.

 

hate the cubbies, love the sox.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 24, 2008, 10:53:41 PM
Is there any hope for the knicks next year? at least there's a new coach coming to town

At least Thomas is out now, thats a start in the right direction. If they can get Derrick Rose in the draft and try and learn to defend they may have some chance of making the playoffs as the east isnt the strongest right now.

The Knicks might be able to finish seventh or eight in the east, they would probably get bounced right away though.

The Celtics will dominate the east for the next three years or so if they keep Ray Allen and KG and PP.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2008, 03:21:02 PM
Nfl Draft live tonight on Sky Sports 3 at 8pm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 26, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
thats what I plan watching all day today!! :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 26, 2008, 07:45:59 PM
this weekends USA today has a good article on the nfl draft if anyone in ireland wants to get a grip on it..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 26, 2008, 08:35:06 PM
Any link to watch it live?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
Any link to watch it live?

www.nfl.com/draft/live
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2008, 08:51:55 PM
So far

Dolphins - Jake Long
Rams - Chris Long
Falcons - Matt Ryan
Raiders - Darren McFadden
Chiefs - Glenn Dorsey
Jets - Vernon Gholston

Patriots just traded down to the Saints

Saints pick Sedrick Ellis
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
Cant believe the Falcons took Matt Ryan, they have no O line to keep him off his arse and nobody to throw the ball too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2008, 09:28:25 PM
Jaguars - Derrick Harvey
Bengals - Keith Rivers
Patriots - Jerod Mayo
Bills - Leodis McKelvin
Broncos - Ryan Clady
Panthers - Jonathan Stewart
Bears - Chris Williams

Lions trade down to Chiefs

Chiefs pick Branden Albert
Cardinals - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Lions - Gosder Cherilus
Ravens - Joe Flacco
Panthers - Jeff Otah
Buccaneers - Aqib Talib
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on April 27, 2008, 08:45:37 AM
Lads,

i've a question.

The lads on the tv said last night that a right tackle typically earns more cash then a left tackle. Why is this? Surely they are just big lads shoving lads about?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 27, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
Well the left tackle usually protects the QB's blind side from the defensive ends, so would the left tackle not be more valuable?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
Aye Claw i think thats what he meant,the right tackle would only be more important if the QB was left handed
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on April 28, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
That was it - that makes some sense too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 28, 2008, 10:33:41 AM
All because of Lawrence Taylor, actually reading a book called The Blind Side which is about this exact topic. its a good read even for those not into Gridiron
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 16, 2008, 02:51:35 PM
Brandon Webb is killing guys right now - he's 9-0 and it's still May
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 16, 2008, 03:48:39 PM
He's really stepped up to the mark these past few years in fairness. If he can stay healthy, he could drive the Dbacks to another West title at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2008, 03:12:51 PM
Matt Ryan signs a $72 million dollar 6-year deal with the Dirty Birds

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12118_3591406,00.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 21, 2008, 07:32:16 PM
Chicago have the nmber one pick in the NBA draft!

With all the young talent on their roster, if Pax makes the right moves and the Bulls can pick up a good coach the future is seriously bright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on May 21, 2008, 11:19:39 PM
Matt Ryan signs a $72 million dollar 6-year deal with the Dirty Birds

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12118_3591406,00.html

Hes battling Redman and Joey for the starter spot, anyone think he will be under centre week 1?
Not too many high QB picks start as rookies,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 22, 2008, 03:20:14 AM
Matt Ryan signs a $72 million dollar 6-year deal with the Dirty Birds

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12118_3591406,00.html

Hes battling Redman and Joey for the starter spot, anyone think he will be under centre week 1?
Not too many high QB picks start as rookies,

the falcons will be running alot this year with turner (LT's backup from SD), so I can't see him starting week1 more likely week 6-8.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on May 22, 2008, 12:08:51 PM
They say the money Ryan is on is more than Tom Brady and on a Par with Peyton Manning. If I was Brady I'd stroll into the Chairmans office with my three rings and several MVP awards and ask how this dude who has never played a game gets more money than him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2008, 12:14:09 PM
It's unreal for a rookie straight out of college to get that sort of money alright, especially in a salary cap environment. You'd pick up a few decent receivers or running backs, with a couple of years experience, for that money.

Still that's the way these rookie deals are going these days.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 22, 2008, 02:21:41 PM
That is always the way with rookie deals, if the #3 pick in 2007 got $50 mill then the #3 pick in '08 is going to get more. It is also a reason why a lot of teams are becoming more interested in trading down in the draft due to the money involved and the fact the player has never played a down. Prime example - Ryan Leaf.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2008, 04:10:24 PM
By the way, the lottery for the rest of us schmucks (unlike Deel Rover) for tickets for the Chargers - Saints game is on today. Best of luck. If you get spares, and I don't remember me :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2008, 04:11:21 PM
FCUK ME!! That was weird. Just as I typed my previous post, my outlook flashed up an inbox, and lookee here :D

Congratulations! Buy Tickets for NFL International Series 2008!

Dear NFL fan

Ticketing PIN Code: ########

Congratulations! You have been selected from a random lottery to be among the first fans able to purchase tickets for the 2008 International Series game at Wembley Stadium on Sunday October 26th between the New Orleans Saints and San Diego Chargers.

You will be able to purchase up to a maximum of four tickets for this game which features two of the NFL's most exciting teams going head to head on UK turf.

The sale will take place on Thursday May 29th, starting at 10:00 a.m. Tickets will be available for up to 72 hours from that time. Tickets will be available on a first-come, first-served basis. There will be more applicants than seats available, so please purchase early to avoid disappointment. Last year in the opening sale 40,000 tickets went in less than 90 minutes, so please be prompt to avoid disappointment.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Lone Shark on May 22, 2008, 04:59:39 PM
Mise freisin. Bring it on. We might even get more than 23 points this time!!

 ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 22, 2008, 05:33:43 PM
Today I managed to snag 8 tickets - 13 rows from the field on the 30 yard line for the Bills vs the Chargers on the weekend after my birthday.

The week before the London game

Happy Days!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on May 22, 2008, 10:04:09 PM
I wasnt so lucky, any spares?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 12:22:01 AM
More tickets on sale tomorrow(thursday) at 10am, dont forget unlike someone last year who I know who forget to get out of bed to book tickets, lucky
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on May 29, 2008, 10:09:07 AM
In a queue last 10 mins.. anyone get them yet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:12:16 AM
I got my 4..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on May 29, 2008, 10:12:31 AM
got some rossie, yep
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 10:17:39 AM
Got 4 tickets, £70, prices gone up on last year. Rejected my credit card 4 times, I was shitting myself. but its done now, phew.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on May 29, 2008, 10:19:16 AM
hi juice, they must have sold out on the cheapy ones before you got in
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:19:54 AM
I took the £55 pound option because I realised last year that there was no bad seat in Wembley..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on May 29, 2008, 10:22:41 AM
Good stuff got them..
2nd tier 206-208. In the corner but ideal to see Colston catch one at back on endzone..  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 10:24:15 AM
the seats I paid £65 for last year are now £80

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on May 29, 2008, 10:25:50 AM
Actually in section 109.. Wheres everyone else?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:26:05 AM
Yeah, I had them seats last year (117) I'm in 507 this year :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on May 29, 2008, 10:27:14 AM
jasus, that's interesting juice. i think the 55 euro sterling ones were 55 last year aswell.

is everyone doing the box office collection!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 29, 2008, 10:29:15 AM
I wont be going this year as i am for Turkey in August and All Ireland Hurling final in September, i didnt get picked in this lottery but if i get the chance to get any in the future sales i will let anyone have them that is unsuccessful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:30:50 AM
I'm doing box office anyway. I got out very early last year, collected the tickets, and then went up to the Green Man for pints. I hope it's not as wet this year, because the plan will be the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 10:32:34 AM
Im in 527 just over Mid-field, sweet! Getting mine delivered to the house.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:34:36 AM
nice one juice. To be honest, I thought the views from most vantage points at Wembley were excellent. It's smaller in side than you think, and doesn't tower for miles up, so I'd say everyone should have a fairly good view.

Looking forward to it already. Anyone heading for the Green Man? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 10:39:55 AM
I have so much going on before hand I cant even think about it now, I have Bruce Springsteen in Cardiff in 2 weeks, Iron Maiden in Twickenham in July and Wacken Festival in Germany to sort out first, but when it rolls around I'll be ecstatic!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
Apparently tickets were gone after 90 minutes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 02:02:26 PM
That was some hockey game last night - in fact it was the best hockey game I've seen since I moved here
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 03, 2008, 02:46:27 PM
Hmmmpppffff   Hockey...


heh heh
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 02:47:07 PM
How are things down in the cellar there ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 03, 2008, 03:15:16 PM
I am still willfully ignoring sports that think its a good idea to go into situations where the temperature is below freezing in order to "play". Snowballs is as close as I get, or sliding down a hill at a farm on a fertilizer bag stuffed with hay...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
I meant the Yankees  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 04, 2008, 06:00:11 PM
So - that Joba kid?  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 04, 2008, 07:38:26 PM
what about them celtics! cant wait for tomorrow night and it all gets started. of all championships to win the nba must be one of the hardest and to think that boston once won 8 in a row. amazing achivement...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 04, 2008, 10:11:04 PM
Gab ,
those yankees huh? 2 and a third isn't really what we were hoping for from the kid at our house, but then what can you do? Makes a change looking up at your coat tails....
HB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 04, 2008, 10:12:37 PM
what about them celtics! cant wait for tomorrow night and it all gets started. of all championships to win the nba must be one of the hardest and to think that boston once won 8 in a row. amazing achivement...

Should be a great series - personally Im rooting for the lakers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2008, 03:18:46 PM
Well Done to the Red Wings
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 05, 2008, 03:48:38 PM
What channels are the Celtics v Lakers on tonight?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2008, 04:47:20 PM
Channel 5
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 05, 2008, 09:19:08 PM
fcek dont have channel 5, any other station have it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2008, 09:39:44 PM
check here

http://www.channelsurfing.net/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 05, 2008, 09:51:48 PM
thanks gab, i'll try that...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 06, 2008, 06:27:17 AM
Go Celtics  98 - 88
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on June 06, 2008, 09:55:32 AM
Great win for the Celtics last night.  Thought Pierce's reappearance was quite a 'Larry Bird' moment and it really lifted the team.  Think they really need to win on Sunday.  Going to LA for 3 games at 1-1 would be a nightmare.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 06, 2008, 02:05:01 PM
that "injury" was a bit dubious if you ask me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on June 06, 2008, 02:26:30 PM
Hey, whatever works ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 08, 2008, 06:04:30 PM
Anyone up for a NFL fantasy league on NFL.com for 2008?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 08, 2008, 09:32:35 PM
Anyone up for a NFL fantasy league on NFL.com for 2008?

yeah boy!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on June 09, 2008, 10:59:02 AM
Phew, talk about throwing away a lead.  The Celtics nearly blew it last night, but got that all important win.  Now if they can win one in LA, it will give them 2 chances to wrap it up at home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 09, 2008, 01:44:01 PM
mc_grens

there has been a yahoo league on the board now for the last 3/4 years. If you're suggesting this one in addition to the other then I'm up for it, but you're a little bit early...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 09, 2008, 09:12:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3433557

Strahan hangs 'em up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 09, 2008, 09:14:38 PM
I just wanted to find out if anyone was up for one. If its OK and there's room I'll join the Yahoo one when the time comes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: blast05 on June 10, 2008, 12:34:50 PM
Quote
fcek dont have channel 5, any other station have it?

nba.com are showing the finals live in a small few backwards little countries where no TV network is covering the games - like Angola, Turkmenistan, Liberia  ..... oh and Ireland. The game can be watched in full for up to 24 hours after.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 10, 2008, 07:01:46 PM
Quote
fcek dont have channel 5, any other station have it?

nba.com are showing the finals live in a small few backwards little countries where no TV network is covering the games - like Angola, Turkmenistan, Liberia  ..... oh and Ireland. The game can be watched in full for up to 24 hours after.

ha ha saw that alright! fair play to the nba tho..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 11, 2008, 12:37:14 AM
yeah, hardly surprised Strahan has retired, I guess you cant quit at a better time than after the Superbowl and after giving on of your best perfomances in that game. He finished with over 140 sacks which is really impressive. one of my favourite players in the league. Great character. He'll have a spot on TV if he wants it. Was watching Total Access tonight and they had highlights from himself an Warren Sapp's piece. Sapp criticised Strahan when he broke the single season record because Brett Favre supposedly gave it to him buy calling a roll-out in the 4th qtr with less than 2mins on the clock and up by 17points.
Funnily enough Favre, Sapp and Strahan may all be inducted in the Hall of Fame together in 2013.

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 12, 2008, 11:23:08 AM
I see the Lakers pulled one back.  According to reports, Kobe was on fire.  Boston still 2 - 1 up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on June 13, 2008, 10:02:08 AM
What a come back by the Celts last night.  Was ready to turn off after the first quarter, but they really turned it around.  Looks like number 17 is in the bag.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 13, 2008, 10:10:20 AM
Unreal, they were down 24 at one stage.  Classic stuff.  The last 3 games between the 2 teams have ended in 6point victories.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 16, 2008, 01:14:20 AM
what about them celtics! can they do it tonight....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 16, 2008, 08:44:30 AM
No!  They lost. 103-98.  Series is heading back to Boston for game 6 on Tuesday.  Still 3 - 2 up.  Would hate to see Celtics loose it at home  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 17, 2008, 05:44:12 PM
Reggie Bush & LaDainian Tomlinson will be in Wembley tomorrow to promote Octobers game if anyones knocking about that way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 18, 2008, 04:42:44 AM
Celtics are back- 118 -84 up with 3 minutes left in the game. Crowd in the garden is mental. The prty is breaking out already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 18, 2008, 04:58:15 AM
all over in Boston,
Celtics take the championship with a blowout 39 point win final score Boston 131 LA 92. Pierce Allen and Garnett all massive in the final game, Kobe couldn't do it on his own and got no help from the rest of the Lakers who had their heads down after the first quarter. Between these 2 teams they have more than half of the 62 NBA championships, unbelievabe record when you think about it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 18, 2008, 06:04:53 AM
Go celtics - Great stuff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 26, 2008, 07:26:07 PM
i see shaq's gone and caused a stir for his 'rap' at kobie in a ny disco

http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1626146951



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 27, 2008, 10:02:10 AM
I read a headline from the Arizona Republic saying that Sherrif Arpiro (of pink inmate's jumpsuit fame) has removed Shaq as an honorary deputy or something. Diesel just got put off the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on June 27, 2008, 11:27:47 AM
NFL London flights and tickets sorted!!!!!


LT!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 27, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
I read a headline from the Arizona Republic saying that Sherrif Arpiro (of pink inmate's jumpsuit fame) has removed Shaq as an honorary deputy or something. Diesel just got put off the road.

he got the boot for using the n word in the above video...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 13, 2008, 08:25:36 PM
Brett! Stay retired please!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on July 14, 2008, 01:59:22 PM
At least he is not going back to the Packers Juice, he would have put them in an awful situation if he did. Where do you reckon he'll go, Ravens?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 14, 2008, 03:10:06 PM
Could be or the Vikings, They are contenders for the Superbowl and Im not sure if Tarvaris Jackson is ready. Having Brett there to step in and lead the way might be no harm. Also its his best chance of finsihing his career with a 2nd Super-bowl ring. But to be honest I think he should stay retired. I cant see him winning the big one really
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 16, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
Did anyone see the Home Run Derby the other night. Josh Hamilton gave some exhibition of the long ball. 28 or 29 in the first round! unbelieveable. It was so predictable he'd run out of steam in the final though, especially with a 71 year old pitching to him :D That poor auld lad threw more pitches than a starting pitcher in some complete games :D

Justin Morneau won it in the end, 5-3 in the final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 16, 2008, 03:00:24 PM
Brett! Stay retired please!

Agree Juice, i just hope we dont have to go through another tearful farewell news conference. He went out on a relative high in having a great season personally, not many athletes have the wit to leave on their own terms. The whole charade is also unfair on Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 16, 2008, 03:51:31 PM
Why don't the Packers just let him go to somewhere else? Fair enough if they feel Rodgers is the future, but surely they could cut him, or trade him for peanuts?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 16, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
they don't want to trade him - especially to a division rival where he can come into Lambeau - have a stormer of a game showing the Coaches/Management up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 16, 2008, 03:57:09 PM
they don't want to trade him - especially to a division rival where he can come into Lambeau - have a stormer of a game showing the Coaches/Management up

So they want do do a Malcolm Glazer on it? Have him rot away on the bench, or else retire. He should retire, he should walk away with his head high, but in fairness to him, if he's changed his mind, he's entitled to do so. And if they don't rate him anymore, they should let him go, or trade him. Surely they could get him a team that's not a divisional rival. They might even get something for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 31, 2008, 08:45:14 PM
Getting excited now waiting for the preseason - really really looking forward to monday night football, and going to wolf pack stadium with an autumn chill in the air. Big hits and short skirts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZaXzC_4Rrg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZaXzC_4Rrg&feature=related)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on July 31, 2008, 10:44:07 PM
monday night football is the best invention ever puck! after the weekend always looked forward to pizza and the game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 31, 2008, 10:46:11 PM
It puts a whole new spin on mondays. Thats for sure. Should be a great season. Have to find a good bet for this year. Last year the packers made me plenty of money, and the lakers too. I wonder who this years cash cow will be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on July 31, 2008, 11:02:32 PM
It puts a whole new spin on mondays. Thats for sure. Should be a great season. Have to find a good bet for this year. Last year the packers made me plenty of money, and the lakers too. I wonder who this years cash cow will be.

I like Dallas in their 1st 6-8 games, San Diego their 1st 4, the Bears after their 1st 2 games and 1st seven for Indy.

Lots of parlay plays this year $$$$$$ ;)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 05, 2008, 04:54:43 PM
"Are you ready for some football?
A Monday night Invasion!!"

I loved this theme song every week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmDW5p8X9xs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmDW5p8X9xs&feature=related)


See Brett Favre was reinstated on the weekend, back at practice competing for the starting job. Harsh on Aaron Rogers, who looked awful in a few carefully selected clips from the scrimmage  in Green Bay. Brett is a media favourite alright!

Good game for a pre-season week in the Hall of Fame game. Colt Brennan the rookie from Hawai'i looked good, even with his funny quasi-sidearm action, for his period on the field. (Great name by the way. If he makes it in the NFL, especially as a gunslinger type QB, you can imagine the marketing :D).

The Mighty Cardinals (ahem) are on Thursday night on Sky as well.

Jaysus the NFL makes the autumn worth it. College Football kicking off soon as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 07, 2008, 12:31:34 AM
Barcelona  vs  NY Red Bulls
could get ugly Barca two up already :)

http://www.justin.tv/barcelonaec (http://www.justin.tv/barcelonaec)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 07, 2008, 12:33:55 AM
make that 3 :D 25 mins gone
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on August 07, 2008, 02:30:15 AM
Quote
See Brett Favre was reinstated on the weekend, back at practice competing for the starting job. Harsh on Aaron Rogers, who looked awful in a few carefully selected clips from the scrimmage  in Green Bay. Brett is a media favourite alright!



Tampa Bay and Mr Gruden here we come...
he'll be closer to home at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 07, 2008, 05:03:35 AM
Move over Joe Namath there is a new Jets QB

ESPN News is reporting Brett Favre traded to the J-E-T-S      NY Jets

Favre will be a good addition to the NYJ with Jones in the backfield, Cotchery and Coles at WR.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 07, 2008, 05:25:18 AM
Can someone explain to me what the hell is going on with Favre?

Last years NFC game quarterback, still a great player - and of the 32 teams in the NFL, only 2 were interested in signing him???

Have the buffallo bills or the miami dolphins, or even the 49ers got an embarrassment of riches somewhere that we dont know about?



20 million on the table last week from Greenbay to sign for them and NOT play... I wish I could be insulted with 20 million.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 07, 2008, 08:37:23 AM
Move over Joe Namath there is a new Jets QB

ESPN News is reporting Brett Favre traded to the J-E-T-S      NY Jets

Favre will be a good addition to the NYJ with Jones in the backfield, Cotchery and Coles at WR.



You can go to     www.NFL.com     for all the details.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on August 07, 2008, 12:07:30 PM
BEST NEWS EVER! FAVRE TO JETS! WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 07, 2008, 01:33:22 PM
I know one poster will be happy - he made sure to text me at 2am this morning about the trade
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on August 07, 2008, 01:43:20 PM
interesting- obviously a pennington upgrade but how long will it take the team to settle?
not really much of a studley offence, Lavernius Coles and who else?
Giants to be the best team in NYC (NJ) again this year I'm afraid
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 09, 2008, 08:30:49 PM
anyone traveling to the states and wanting to take in an nfl game should check this out


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It has tickets for games featuring the New York Jets (from €86.50), Miami Dolphins (from €37.50), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from €64.50), Oakland Raiders (from €65) and San Francisco 49ers (from €74.50)

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 12, 2008, 04:35:52 PM
Lads, who is going to the American Football in Wembley? Will we meet up for a jar?

I'll probably be around the environment of the Porterhouse in Covent Garden on the Saturday night, and will head out early to the Green Man on Sunday.

I know it's early for this, but a plan is a plan :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 19, 2008, 02:49:05 AM
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVJgoOvvo0 (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVJgoOvvo0)



MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL! YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 19, 2008, 10:03:22 AM
Anyone see the Bucs play the Pats at the weekend, without Tom Brady the Patriots have nothing at QB, The back-ups are terrible. On the other hand the Bucs have 2 many QBs. And after Brady getting ate alive in the Superbowl, none of the O-line look up to much.

OK it was pre-season and they werent starters but with the almost inevitable injuries to the O-line things dont look promising. And Laurence Moroney was going down on contact and not moving the pile at all. Where as his opposite HB for the bucs was getting plenty of YAC's and breaking tackles. The D-line got bossed about for the Pats as well, with the exception of their new middle-linebacker who did well, cant think of his name tho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on August 19, 2008, 03:25:34 PM
I see Chris Henry has been handed one more 'Last Chance' in Cincinnati.

As a Bengals fan I am not sure what to think of this. On on hand he is a talented receiverand is very productive, but on the other hand I thought the team had been moving away from the dubious characters they have employed in recent years.

I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 19, 2008, 03:26:08 PM
I see Chad Johnson is dinged up as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 19, 2008, 04:29:50 PM
TJ Housmanzada(?) and Rudi Johnson arent 100% either and havent played a part in the pre-season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on August 19, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Looks like Chad is taking to the pool..

http://football.about.com/b/2008/08/15/chad-johnson-could-out-swim-michael-phelps.htm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 21, 2008, 05:55:09 PM
Gene Upshaw passes away at 63

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=5BA93C606BE5F5D6673326BFECEF2EDB?id=09000d5d80a28802&template=with-video&confirm=true

Gene Upshaw, the Hall of Fame guard who during a quarter century as union head helped get NFL players free agency and the riches that came with it, has died. He was 63.

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hitzelsperger on August 21, 2008, 06:44:02 PM
Looks like Chad is taking to the pool..

http://football.about.com/b/2008/08/15/chad-johnson-could-out-swim-michael-phelps.htm

Next he'll be claiming he can beat Usain Bolt over 100m.  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on August 21, 2008, 09:30:04 PM
Lads, who is going to the American Football in Wembley? Will we meet up for a jar?

I'll probably be around the environment of the Porterhouse in Covent Garden on the Saturday night, and will head out early to the Green Man on Sunday.

I know it's early for this, but a plan is a plan :D

wouldnt mind meeting for a pint at some stage though it is slightly early and id need to see what the story is!!cant wait for it, 2nd nfl game last one was chargers browns which chargers won handy i see this being a tighter game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on August 22, 2008, 09:17:28 PM
jets giants preseason tomorrow giants side 50yd line row 16 with parking pass

thats what i'm talkin about baby!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 22, 2008, 10:08:47 PM
Heading out to it myself. Looking forward to it :)
Would be hoping that both teams will be at full strength for the first half anyway, although both teams may have a few injuries at the wide receiver position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 24, 2008, 09:45:35 AM
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SAN DIEGO -- Chargers Pro Bowl linebacker Shawne Merriman said Saturday he has two torn ligaments in his left knee and has been told by doctors that he could suffer a possible career-ending injury if he attempts to play without having surgery.

Merriman said he has tears in both the posterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligaments. He said doctors agree that he needs surgery to repair the damage.

"It could be career-threatening if I did [play]," Merriman said. "It's a possibility. That possibility is still open."

A course of action has not been decided. Merriman, who will consult with a doctor in Miami early next week before making a decision, has been told reconstructive surgery would keep him out for the 2008 season. Another option is a less-invasive surgery that would allow him to play at some point in the season.

"They've all said the same things about the injury," Merriman said. "[They're] kind of surprised that I've been playing with it up to this point."

The Chargers open the regular season Sept. 7 against the Carolina Panthers. Merriman wants to play this season.

Shawne Merriman has two torn ligaments in his left knee.
"That's first and foremost," Merriman said. "That's what I want to do. That's why this decision is even out there still and not already made, because I want to play, period. The question is what should I do? How long should I play with it?

"It's a thousand different options at this point and I'm just trying to make the best one."

Merriman left the team Tuesday to seek opinions from other doctors, a trek that included a visit with renowned surgeon James Andrews on Wednesday in Birmingham, Ala. He said he is seeking as many opinions as he can for a reason.

"I'm just trying to make the best decision possible for the team and for my career," Merriman said.

Coach Norv Turner has remained optimistic all week that Merriman will be able to play this season. He again expressed that hope Saturday.

"Right now, in talking to him, his mind-set is he's doing everything he can to get ready for Carolina, our opener," Turner said. "He just wants to get a little bit more information on his knee."

Merriman has made the Pro Bowl in each of his three NFL seasons. He has 39½ sacks in that span, more than any other NFL player.

Massive blow for the bolts. And for me! I have him in the Montana conerence. I was afraid of this, dropped my back up DB to pick up Justin Tuck from Free Agency. Might put the skids under San Diego's Super Bowl push.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 25, 2008, 02:38:42 AM
Can my luck get any worse?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 25, 2008, 10:52:30 AM
Osi Umenyiora OUT FOR SEASON

balls, i'll have to trade him ASAP
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 25, 2008, 11:03:09 AM
Big blow for the New York Football Giants. Some lads are picking them to finish 4th in the NFC East this year! That would be some kick in the nuts. Losing Strahan and Omenyiora is a big blow to their D-Line though. I wonder will Strahan be asked to come out of retirement? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 25, 2008, 11:06:36 AM
thats the rumour on NFL.com, but i dont think its likely
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 25, 2008, 02:41:35 PM
Osi Umenyiora OUT FOR SEASON

balls, i'll have to trade him ASAP

Juice - you simply have to drop him, like I had to. Who will trade you for a player out for the season.
I also have the NYG defence, although Ive got detroit in reserve.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 28, 2008, 10:09:29 PM
i see from george kimballs irish times column today that the last yankees/red sox games in yankee stadium start tonight. wrecking ball due up shortly!

i mentioned this on the book thread but will throw it in here too. a great read is the above george kimballs 'america at large' a decade of his irish times columns. got it a few weeks ago and theres some great tales in it. all proceeds go to temple st childerns hospital


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 28, 2008, 10:10:58 PM
Can my luck get any worse?

Merriman is playing this year, how effective he will be is another matter with a gammy knee.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on August 28, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
a lot of chat about a strahan return
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 28, 2008, 10:13:01 PM
a lot of chat about a strahan return


I read that they rang him in Greece, where he is on holiday, and he isnt interested. They have plenty of depth on the Defensive line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 28, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
He turned them down two days ago, but it could just be a smokescreen to bend them over the ATM one last time before he says Yes.

Even if he comes back - he wont play until week 5-6 at the earliest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on August 29, 2008, 09:38:56 AM
dont worry about lights out, I predict we shall see plenty of thon stupid dance the year!! ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 29, 2008, 09:56:28 AM
Hope so. I drafted him cos I thought he'd lead the league in sacks this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 30, 2008, 03:41:51 AM
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Ocho Cinco 2.0
By GEOFF HOBSON
August 29, 2008
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Posted: 5:05 p.m.
By the power vested in Broward County, Florida, Chad Johnson's name is now legally "Chad Javon Ocho Cinco," in what he calls a reinvention of the Ocho gig.

"Ocho Cinco 2.0" is what Johnson is calling it, but what the NFL is calling it remains to be seen. Could Johnson be looking for "Ocho Cinco" to go across the back of his No. 85 jersey?

"Hint, hint," he said of the marketing potential. "It's something I don't think anyone has ever done before. Have I ever had a reason for why I do what I do? I'm having fun."


Johnson
Johnson "changed" his name to Ocho Cinco for warmups before a game against the Falcons in 2006 and before Carson Palmer ripped off the nameplate to reveal C. Johnson. That was a violation of NFL uniform rules and he was reportedly fined $5,000.

Now he's done it legally in a move first reported by ProFootballTalk.com. And according to the document from the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit, the name change won't "invade the property rights of others, whether partnership, patent, good will, privacy, trademark, or otherwise."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in an e-mail Friday that the league is looking into it.

Don Hinchey of The Bonham Group, an internationally influential sports and entertainment company based in Denver, estimates Johnson could make this legal name change work for as much as "in the low seven figures."

"He's definitely got some cachet. He's really turned it into kind of a brand name. The media has picked it up and that can help him extend it. He's edgy enough and unpredictable enough that that would appeal to a lot of people on a jersey."

The highest selling jersey on NFLshop.com from Aug. 1 to Aug. 26, of course, was Brett Favre. The only receivers in the top 25 were Terrell Owens and Randy Moss. Could an Ocho jersey fire up sales, for which players get less than 10 percent on each jersey sale?

"He's a tremendously talented guy and very magnetic, but he's also volatile," Hinchey said. "I see him as almost like a football Dennis Rodman. But I think if he stays away from that, I think it's a pretty smart move. He's got some good market sense."

Johnson's popularity took a hit in the offseason with trade demands, holdout threats, and boycott of the voluntary practices. But since the start of training camp he has been all for it, saying and doing all the right things, and he remained a popular player during the camp at Georgetown College.

He has been especially hard-working since he suffered a torn labrum in his left shoulder Aug. 17 and while there is the possibility his shoulder could pop out of the socket and end his season, he is proud of his weightlifting.

"Today I did my normal routine, I just went right down the row (of weight machines)," Johnson said Friday after sitting out Thursday's game. "Everything was at 100 pounds. I felt good. Tell Cincinnati I love them and to come along for the ride. It's going to be fun."

Johnson won't say what he has up his sleeve. But he said it's not going to change much.

"You can call me anything you want," he said.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 01, 2008, 02:55:37 PM
As the season starts on Thursday i think everyone should get their spake in. Predictions for Conferences, Super Bowl Winner and Rookie of the Year please......

AFC - San Diego Chargers
NFC - Dallas Cowboys
Super Bowl San Diego Chargers

Rookie Of The Year - Mc Fadden - Oakland Raiders
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 01, 2008, 07:42:12 PM
As the season starts on Thursday i think everyone should get their spake in. Predictions for Conferences, Super Bowl Winner and Rookie of the Year please......

AFC - San Diego Chargers
NFC - Dallas Cowboys
Super Bowl San Diego Chargers

Rookie Of The Year - Mc Fadden - Oakland Raiders

AFC             Jacksonville
NFC             New Orleans
Super Bowl   New Orleans

Rookie         Matt Ryan Atlanta

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 01, 2008, 11:01:45 PM
AFC- Bolts
NFC Cowboys

Superbowl- Bolts

Rookie- Matt Ryan
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 02, 2008, 10:40:06 AM
I'm going to go a step further. Can't wait for Thursday night, and especially London in October. Go Cardinals!

NFC
North
1st - Minnesota
2nd - Pack
3rd - Da Bears
4th - Detroit

South
1st - N'Yaleans
2nd - Carolina
3rd - Manchester United
4th - Atlanta

East
1st - Cowboys
2nd- 'Skins
3rd - Noo Yawk Giants
4th - Eagles

West
1st - Cardinals (yeah right)
2nd - Seahawks
3rd - Rams
4th - San Fran.

AFC
North
1st - Browns
2nd - Steelers
3rd - Ravens
4th - Bungles

South
1st - Colts
2nd - Jags
3rd - Texans
4th - Titans

East
1st - Pats
2nd - Noo Yawk J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
3rd - Buffalo
4th - Dolphins

West
1st - Bolts
2nd - Black Hole
3rd - Broncos
4th - Chiefs


AFC Wildcards
Jags & Jets

NFC Wildcards
The PAck and the 'Skins


AFC Champions
San Diego Chargers

NFC Champions
New Orleans Saints

Superbowl Champions
San Diego Chargers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 02, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
Its almost immpossible to predict.

AFC: San Diego

NFC: Green Bay Packers

Superbowl: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......Packers, why not.

Rookie: Chris Johnson: Tennessee

or JaMarcus Russell  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 02, 2008, 01:36:06 PM
AFC : San Diego
NFC: Minnesota Vikings

Superbowl: Minnesota Vikings

DROY: Glenn Dorsey
OROY: Matt Ryan

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on September 02, 2008, 02:13:17 PM
AFC

Division Winners:
Patriots
Pittsburgh
Colts
San Diego

Wild cards:
Cleveland
Jags

NFC
Cowboys
Seattle
Saints
Vikings
Wild cards: Philly Carolina

AFC Champs: Colts
NFC Champs: Philly (hope its Saints tho)

Superbowl: Colts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 02, 2008, 02:52:05 PM
AFC: San Diego Chargers

NFC: Dallas Cowboys

Superbowl: Chargers

Rookie of the Year: Jonathan Stewart (Carolina Panthers)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 02, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
UCLA produced a great defensive performance last night to beat Tennessee (#18) by a field goal in over time. In the first half the UCLA third choice quarterback hit 4 interceptions and had a nightmare half. He was a different player in the second, driving UCLA down the field twice for touchdowns.

Tennessee defense was also good, but struggled going forward.


USC again look amazing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 02, 2008, 03:15:27 PM
Jaysus, I can't wait for Thursday night.

The pot of chilli will be made on Thursday morning before I go to work - let her sit all day
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 02, 2008, 03:17:07 PM
UCLA produced a great defensive performance last night to beat Tennessee (#18) by a field goal in over time. In the first half the UCLA third choice quarterback hit 4 interceptions and had a nightmare half. He was a different player in the second, driving UCLA down the field twice for touchdowns.

Tennessee defense was also good, but struggled going forward.


USC again look amazing.

That USC program is amazing. Pete Carroll is doing, ahem, trojan work down there.

They have the coolest mascot as well, with the white horse, the trojan gear and the big sword that he plunges into the endzone. I was hoping himself and the Virginia cavalier would have a big sword battle or something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 02, 2008, 04:01:47 PM
The USC defense is like something Ive yet to see in colleges football. The virginia quarterback didnt know what day of the week it was for most of the first half.

This new fella at UCLA - Rick Neuheise seems to have instilled a bit of grit in the Bruins. Still a long way off from challenging USC, but nice to see a good performance coming out of the other side of LA.

Interestlingly both his previous schools were sanctioned for illegal recruiting after he left them...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on September 02, 2008, 06:46:36 PM
Jaysus, I can't wait for Thursday night.

The pot of chilli will be made on Thursday morning before I go to work - let her sit all day

sounds like a great plan gab!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 03, 2008, 02:59:26 PM
I've a league match thursday night, gonna be wrecked but im staying up to watch the opener. Might have a few beers and then a strong coffee at work on friday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 03, 2008, 03:02:38 PM
I've a league match thursday night, gonna be wrecked but im staying up to watch the opener. Might have a few beers and then a strong coffee at work on friday

What time is kick off? Im sure it will be repeated on Friday on Sky Sports. Will NFL Total Access still be on throughout the season on Sky Sports i wonder or was it just a schedule filler.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on September 03, 2008, 03:08:46 PM
I think that total access is due to continue throughout the season.

Did anybody go for any of the gamepass options for the new season?

I went for the new HD version with the follow your team option.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 04, 2008, 10:19:58 AM
Extra Tickets on sale for the Wembley game today @ 6pm through ticketmaster.com
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 04, 2008, 02:14:09 PM
It all starts again tonight, cant wait!
Redskins  v   Giants     7.00pm  Giants Stadium
 + 4 1/2    - 4 1/2

41 1/2 over

Giants and the under! ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on September 04, 2008, 02:32:18 PM
Betting preview

http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/us_sports/betting/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=betting/08/09/03/manual_102519.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2008, 02:49:59 PM
This could be in the 'What the f**k' thread, but i think it's hilarious.

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Detroit RB Johnson says Tatum Bell took luggage

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ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP)—Detroit running back Rudi Johnson said Wednesday that the player who was waived to make room for him on the Lions’ roster—Tatum Bell — took his luggage from team headquarters.

“All this happened when he got released,” Johnson said. “He came in to get some stuff out of his locker and that’s when he scooped up the bags.”

After being cut by the Cincinnati Bengals, Johnson came to Detroit to work out for the team and meet with Lions president Matt Millen on Monday. During the meeting, which ended with Johnson agreeing to a free-agent contract, the two Gucci bags that he had received as a Pro Bowl gift were taken from inside the team’s headquarters.

A message seeking comment was left Wednesday with Bell’s agent, Kennard McGuire.

Johnson met with the Detroit media for the first time Tuesday, and talked about Bell in a positive manner—saying they had discussed the Lions and that Bell, also a running back, had given him advice on the team and the city.

However, shortly after Johnson praised Bell, team security director Ricky Sandoval showed him footage from the team’s surveillance system.

“Ricky showed me the tape Tuesday afternoon,” Johnson said. “What makes this crazy is that I’ve talked to him after games, and I talked to him a couple hours prior to this—I guess it was before he found out he was going to be released.”

Johnson said a woman returned the bags to the practice facility Tuesday evening, but that the contents were gone.

“I got the bags back—empty,” he said. “So he’s got a bunch of my underclothes. What he’s going to do with that, I don’t know. He’s got some socks and boxers.”

Johnson said he was also still missing about $200 in cash along with his ID and the credit cards, but said that he did not plan to involve the authorities.

“I don’t need the police for this,” he said. “I got my bags back and the credit cards are canceled.”

Johnson did speak with Bell after the bags were returned.

“I didn’t want to talk to him, but I let him know where I stand,” he said. “He knows how I feel about it, and it isn’t anything positive.”

Lions coach Rod Marinelli declined to comment on the issue after Wednesday’s practice, but the team issued a short, uncredited statement before Johnson confirmed the reports that had started on the Internet Tuesday night.

“We are aware of the media reports regarding former player Tatum Bell,” the statement said. “Our sole focus continues to be on our regular season opener in Atlanta. We will not have any further comment on the media reports involving Tatum Bell.”
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on September 04, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D

Bell probably fumbled the bags a few times before he got home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 10:13:10 AM
well lads did any of ye stay up to watch the match last night? the giants won by 16-7 the man i was looking out for was plaxico and he duly earned me 13 points for the fantasy football
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 10:19:57 AM
I watched it until 10-0, then I got sensible. The Giant's looked very good early, I assume they slowed up a bit to end with 17.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on September 05, 2008, 10:24:52 AM
It all starts again tonight, cant wait!
Redskins  v   Giants     7.00pm  Giants Stadium
 + 4 1/2    - 4 1/2

41 1/2 over

Giants and the under! ;)


Good call Carmen
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 05, 2008, 10:27:26 AM
I watched it though I dozed through the second half. The Giants looked amazing on their first drive. But they stalled in the redzone after that. Brandon Jacobs had a solid game. He really levelled Landry. Jason Campbell came into it eventually when he got some better protection.

The Giants D-line didnt look slowed by the loss of Osi and Strahan although Kywanuka injured his ankle on the last play of the game. You can see that the Redskins had eventually got things going and started figuring out how to stop the Giants.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on September 05, 2008, 01:08:33 PM
I watched it until 10-0, then I got sensible. The Giant's looked very good early, I assume they slowed up a bit to end with 17.


Me too!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 01:50:29 PM
I watched it though I dozed through the second half. The Giants looked amazing on their first drive. But they stalled in the redzone after that. Brandon Jacobs had a solid game. He really levelled Landry. Jason Campbell came into it eventually when he got some better protection.

The Giants D-line didnt look slowed by the loss of Osi and Strahan although Kywanuka injured his ankle on the last play of the game. You can see that the Redskins had eventually got things going and started figuring out how to stop the Giants.



That was class. It was like a 4x4 running through/over a picket fence. Deadly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 01:57:13 PM
lads when did yere hands on the tickets for the match last year ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 05, 2008, 02:36:19 PM
I cant remember when they arrived, it might be an idea to skip back through this thread to this time last year I'm sure there'll be mention of it. Although was there a thread for the Wembley game itself?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 04:38:14 PM
lads when did yere hands on the tickets for the match last year ?

I collected mine from the box office on the morning of the game. No hassles, no worries about losing them or getting lost in the post.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 04:58:02 PM
lads when did yere hands on the tickets for the match last year ?

I collected mine from the box office on the morning of the game. No hassles, no worries about losing them or getting lost in the post.


was that an option when you were booking az or did you do it later ? i'm sure  i requested mine to be posted out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 05:01:38 PM
Option when buying them, I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
Deel i got mine posted last year,if i remember right they come about two weeks before the game,to stop you flogging on ebay maybe i dunno but dont panic just yet
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 05:09:14 PM
thanks minder are you heading this year ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2008, 08:04:18 PM
thanks minder are you heading this year ?
No unfortunately not,heading to dublin tomorrow with a few half wits for the hurling. Missus is 30 in November too so cant do it all!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 05, 2008, 10:16:37 PM
It all starts again tonight, cant wait!
Redskins  v   Giants     7.00pm  Giants Stadium
 + 4 1/2    - 4 1/2

41 1/2 over

Giants and the under! ;)


Good call Carmen

Good start to the season for The Giants, and me! :)
Jacobs is a machine, Landry probably only coming around today! Burress impressed aswell seeing the last time he played with Manning was the Super Bowl!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2008, 10:18:55 PM
It all starts again tonight, cant wait!
Redskins  v   Giants     7.00pm  Giants Stadium
 + 4 1/2    - 4 1/2

41 1/2 over

Giants and the under! ;)


Good call Carmen

Good start to the season for The Giants, and me! :)
Jacobs is a machine, Landry probably only coming around today! Burress impressed aswell seeing the last time he played with Manning was the Super Bowl!

I would say he had a spring in his step after signing a $35million dollar contract yesterday...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 05, 2008, 10:21:28 PM
I guess it might help :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: fntn on September 06, 2008, 01:28:13 AM
hey AZ,

got my tickets sorted for cards @ jets on week 4.

u want me to shout some abuse at 'hot-tub-leinart'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 06, 2008, 07:08:12 PM
HUGE upset in the making right now. Ohio 14 Ohio State 6

Go on Bobcats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 06, 2008, 07:10:50 PM
Long left? What station?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 06, 2008, 07:15:44 PM
Dont worry got it
Ohio state miss extra point  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 07, 2008, 02:35:47 AM
Im almost sure Ive heard it all now..

Commentators on ESPN working the USA Vs Cuba world cup qualifer, just likened the role of Landon Donavan to that of Roy Keane at Manchester United.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on September 07, 2008, 01:18:39 PM
who won puck?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 07, 2008, 03:45:16 PM
USA 1 Cuba 0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2008, 12:20:50 AM
anyone watching the Chargers Vs Panthers???? Delhomme with the winner 2 secs left
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 08, 2008, 12:37:30 AM
Tragedy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 08, 2008, 12:48:07 AM
Yea unreal finish to that game. Cowboys were fairly impressive against Cleveland I thought even though Browns' defence is fairly putrid. Only saw highlights of Dolphins v Jets but it looked like Favre was up to his old tricks again. Man i love opening weekend!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on September 08, 2008, 02:19:02 AM
looks like brady is gone for the season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2008, 09:52:43 AM
well thats my fantasy team fucked. First Osi and now Brady.

Still a good opening day, how about them Falcons, Michael Turner!, Matt Ryan didnt do bad for a rookie
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2008, 09:54:02 AM
And the Cards! 1 and 0 baby, 1 and 0!!

:D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 08, 2008, 09:56:21 AM
Bears beating Colts on the road, the biggest shock of them all
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2008, 10:04:07 AM
Well the Colts could say they were on the road to their new home  :P still a shock, I didnt stay up for it, was Kyle Orton much good? Bills beating the Seahawks as well!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2008, 10:05:37 AM
With Saint Louis getting waxed by Philly, The Cardinals are top of the NFC West. Blow it up ref!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 08, 2008, 10:09:25 AM
Go on da Bears! Great start and looks like the mean D might be back on track. No offensive turnovers which shows again that though limited, Orton is a better option than the fumbler Grossman.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 08, 2008, 01:01:51 PM
Bears looked good last night but i thought the big performance of the day was from Buffalo!  If Brady is indeed gone for the year then Buffalo could be serious players in the AFC east.
 Eagles werent bad either!
Looking forward to packers, vikings tonight!Peterson is great to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2008, 02:48:45 PM
Pats are in the process of getting Chris Simms to fill Tom Brady's boots. What about Daunte Culpepper??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 08, 2008, 08:43:57 PM
He's officially done for the season

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/09/08/brady.ap/index.html

Quote
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) -- New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is out for the season with a left knee injury that will require surgery.

The 2007 NFL Most Valuable Player will be placed on injured reserve, the Patriots said Monday, one day after his knee was injured in the first quarter of a 17-10 victory over the Kansas City Chiefs.

A statement issued before coach Bill Belichick's news conference said Brady will have surgery, ending his 128-game starting streak.

Brady left Sunday's game against Kansas City after he was hit by Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard. Brady was not available for comment, but reports circulated around the league that he had torn his anterior cruciate ligament.

"We feel badly for Tom about the injury," Belichick said. "You hate to see anyone go down. No one has worked harder or done more for this team than Tom has."

Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on September 09, 2008, 11:14:00 AM
He's officially done for the season

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/09/08/brady.ap/index.html

Quote
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) -- New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is out for the season with a left knee injury that will require surgery.

The 2007 NFL Most Valuable Player will be placed on injured reserve, the Patriots said Monday, one day after his knee was injured in the first quarter of a 17-10 victory over the Kansas City Chiefs.

A statement issued before coach Bill Belichick's news conference said Brady will have surgery, ending his 128-game starting streak.

Brady left Sunday's game against Kansas City after he was hit by Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard. Brady was not available for comment, but reports circulated around the league that he had torn his anterior cruciate ligament.

"We feel badly for Tom about the injury," Belichick said. "You hate to see anyone go down. No one has worked harder or done more for this team than Tom has."

Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on September 09, 2008, 07:35:52 PM
cant believe that - what a pity hes gone for the season. class player
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on September 10, 2008, 11:48:27 AM
dont worry about lights out, I predict we shall see plenty of thon stupid dance the year!! ;D

d'oh

pobally for the best all the same!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 11, 2008, 11:54:57 PM
Gonna throw out some picks for week 2

Bears to beat the Panthers
Titans to beat the Bengals
Packers beat Detroit
Jags beat the Bills
Kansas beat Raiders
Vikings beat Colts
Giants beat Rams
Saints beat Redskins
Seahawks beat 49ers
Bucs beat the Falcons
Cards beat the Phins
Broncos beat Chargers
Ravens beat Texans
Pats beat Jets (even without Brady)
Steelers beat Browns
Eagles and Cowboys...............hmmmmmmmm, Eagles...............................no wait Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 12, 2008, 01:41:01 PM
Are ye in that Pigskin pick 'em thing?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 12, 2008, 02:03:46 PM
nope,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyrone86 on September 13, 2008, 11:04:44 PM
USC v Ohio State - worth staying in for on a Saturday night!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 14, 2008, 01:16:47 AM
USC v Ohio State - worth staying in for on a Saturday night!

Have the pizza and waiting for kickoff.

Notre Dame big win vs Michigan today in South Bend 35-17

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 14, 2008, 02:07:38 AM
What about the mormons handing UCLA their asses in a 59-0 defeat. Holy crap I didnt see that one coming.

Nevada beaten 69-17 at missouri. :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 14, 2008, 04:30:49 AM
The Buckeyes just no were close! Dont think anyone will come close, Totally dominant performance from the Trojans.


USC 35
Ohio State 3

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 14, 2008, 04:24:06 PM
So we in for any surprises today?
Just about to get my bet done, having a little trouble picking!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 14, 2008, 05:11:04 PM
So we in for any surprises today?
Just about to get my bet done, having a little trouble picking!
Probably not surprises as much, but a couple of strong teams could be overturned. Chargers are in trouble with injuries, LT, Shawn Merriman etc. Sproles and Hester are good back-ups though but Cutler is firing well and selvin young should do well on the ground, so I'd go for the bucs.
Jets v Patriots should be a cracker, Cassel in his first game vs Favre in his two hundred and fifty somethingth. Cassel wasnt bad in the pre season though, and Jets are still finding their feet so pats should be good.

I also think the Lions could upset the packers for some reason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 14, 2008, 05:28:11 PM
Pucks Parlay



Cheifs -4
Colts -2
Saints pick
Packers -3
Jags -5
Arizona/Miami under 39
Chargers -1
Steelers -6

10$ stake pays $1490


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 14, 2008, 05:38:53 PM
Right the Four picked are

Giants -8.5
Kansas -3.5
Broncos -1
Vikings +1.5

The Vikings I think can take the Colts today in Minnesota with there running game.  Chicago run all over them last week. Though Manning was rusty last week he may have had enough time now to produce what he his capable of.
Have fancied Denver in this one myself especially since Merriman decided to go for his op! Denver looked really good last week and should be to strong!
Long day ahead! Love it!  

By the way Pick 4 Pays @ 8/1   with the wee bookie at the end of the bar ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 15, 2008, 12:34:36 AM
Bet Stuffed :(
Anyone watching the Broncos :o What a game they just went for two to win game and got it!
Not over yet but!
Sproules TD unreal!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 15, 2008, 12:36:24 AM
UNREAL finish, some balls on the coach to make that call. Rivers has a 12 seconds left, I doubt he can do it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 15, 2008, 12:37:25 AM
Nearly, Inches!
This is why its so good!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 15, 2008, 12:40:19 AM
Unbelievable call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 15, 2008, 12:40:47 AM
Holy Shit!! Enjoyed that :)

Dodgy decision i thought when Cutler fumbled near end!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 15, 2008, 12:42:26 AM
Chargers 0-2....need a run to start. Thought they were back in '07 mode in the last 2 quarters - left themselves too much to do though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 15, 2008, 12:43:05 AM
Terrible decision, is there a reason why Chargers didnt challenge it? Were they out of timeouts?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 15, 2008, 12:46:09 AM
They were out of TO alright, that may have something to do with it! But what did the Ref look at when he reveiwed it?  It was very clear from any replay I saw!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 15, 2008, 01:20:32 AM
The play was reviewed. When there is under 2 min left the review call comes directly from the Ref upstairs. The ref stated the play was a fumble but he blew the whistle ending the play after the fumble. Tough call against SD but the rules state once the whistle is blown the play is dead. Ed Hockely(sp)stated he blew the whistle even though it was a fumble, Ed is one of the best refs or the best ref in the NFL so it shows everyone can make a mistake.
Denver better go out and do some charity work for the charity the received today.

On the flipside Shanahan has the biggest nut sack to go for the win instead of the tie.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2008, 09:36:42 AM
Great games on Sky yesterday. The Chargers-Broncos was a great one, but not much defence. The Chargers will be sickened though, the interception/fumble recovery by Champ Bailey that the replay machine was broken for, and the Ref blowing the play dead after Cutler fumbled.

What a call by Shanahan to go for 2 though. He must have thought 'feck it, we should have lost anyway', but if they hadn't made it, he'd be pilloried today.

Vikings should have beaten the Colts as well. Unbelievable to hear the Vikings fans booing Tavaris Jackson after every incompletion, even when they were winning. What must that do to a young QB? Adrian Peterson looks class again, but they need to turn field goals into touchdowns if they're going to make a run.

Favre did a Favre on it last night as well. I know that's what your going to get with him when he goes into gunslinger mode, but he really does throw crazy interceptions, and to give the Patriots a short field like that was criminal. I don't think Cassells was going to march 60 or 70 yards for a score against the Jets D. What happened Moroney? Did he get hurt, or has he sunk to 3rd in the depth chart behind Morris and Faulk?

Finally, the Lions, they are gas altogether. Get right back into the game, and take the lead, then boom. FG, and 3 INTs by Kitna and they get a hammering.

And the Cardinals are 2-0!! And with the 49ers beating Seattle last night in Seattle, the Cards have a 2 game lead over the Seahawks and Rams, with the 49ers, whom the Cards have beaten in SF, 1-1.

Is this the year?

NLF is great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 15, 2008, 10:42:24 AM
NLF is great.


I prefer the NFL but its your choice  ;)

I was too pissed to stay awake, I remember watching Favre throwing an INT and the next time I open my eyes I'm watching Teleshopping. looks like I missed a great weekend of football, I'll try catch the highlights later
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2008, 10:46:06 AM
NLF is great.


I prefer the NFL but its your choice  ;)

I was too pissed to stay awake, I remember watching Favre throwing an INT and the next time I open my eyes I'm watching Teleshopping. looks like I missed a great weekend of football, I'll try catch the highlights later

The NFL isn't bad, but the National Linedancing Federation is something else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 16, 2008, 01:52:40 AM
anyone else up watching the Eagles Vs Cowboys? 3-0 to the eagles at the minute.

anyone watching the Eagles vs Cowboys, Romo fumbles in the EZ and now DeSean Jackson threw the ball away after catching a bomb from McNabb before he passed the goal-line, f**king idiot, started celebrating too early. what a tool.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 02:53:51 AM
What a moron, Desean Jackson, threw the football down before crossing the goalline on a 60+ bomb for a TD.

High scoring 27-21 with 7:30 left in 1st half, a real shootout in Dallas :D

 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 16, 2008, 02:57:25 AM
NFL >>>>>>>> Soccer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 03:00:20 AM
NFL >>>>>>>> Soccer

???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:15:30 AM
Great game going!!
Come on Eagles hold on!!!!!! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:21:55 AM
10 mins to go!
Make the call Harp!
Westbrook got to be one of the best RB in league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 16, 2008, 04:27:15 AM
great game a real see-saw battle,

and wheres TO been this half? that seems to be the way things go, great start then he goes missing, perhaps its the coverage changes to cover him more
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:38:33 AM
This aint over yet! Great  stuff!  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:46:18 AM
A small glimmer of hope!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 16, 2008, 04:47:57 AM
Eagles on the winning drive?? I dont think they'll do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 04:48:06 AM
think the Eagles will pull it off here after the punt.

Hate Jerry Jones and want to see him with that sour puss face after a loss.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 04:50:08 AM
Westbrooks neck has to be 3 inches longer  with every Dallas player grabbing his facemask.......ouch.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:50:40 AM
Stupid penalty!
Come on Mc Nabb
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:53:38 AM
Great Defence! Feckers
Hail Mary Time!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:54:47 AM
 :o :o
What the hell was that!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 04:55:16 AM
HORRIBLE play call.

Great game all the same.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 16, 2008, 04:57:21 AM
the defense just didnt fall for it, poor decision.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 16, 2008, 06:30:27 PM
The nicest feeling in the world - is to not be sweating a game in the second half.

Puck put the house on the over yesterday - bet was in at half time. Makes up for that donkey parlay that let me down at the weekend.


The Eagles moved the ball well, but were handed a couple of relatively easy TDs. Romo's fumble was not a smart move - but what about deshaun Jackson - what an ass. Can you imagine what would be said in the locker room after that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 21, 2008, 09:56:14 PM
Dolphins 38
Patriots 13

hows about that. Giants got it done against the Bengals in OT, as did the Bucs Vs Bears. Brian Westbrook out with a bad ankle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 25, 2008, 04:34:39 PM
Detroit fans rejoice!!

Matt Millen got the sack. In what must have been the daftest appointment in the history of sport back in 2001 to make a man who has no-experience of the job or business side of the NFL the GM of the Detroit Lions, he took them from a middling team to being one of the worst in NFL history.

In spite of the NFL's structure which helps weaker teams get the best players, the Lions flew in the face of that picking WR after WR believing that it was only a matter of time before QB Joey Harrington would start getting the results like his golf playing cousin Padraig.

But the truly remarkable thing about Millens reign is how long it lasted despite the terrible results.

Lions under Matt MIllen

Draft picks under Matt Millen (2001-07)
Total selections: 53
Still with team: 18
Out of NFL: 30
Pro Bowl players: 2

Win-Loss Ratio: 31-84
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on September 25, 2008, 07:28:58 PM
cowboys look like a cert this year
can't see the jets going anywhere - though hope Favre sticks around for another season
not sure if the giants are just warming up - Plaxico hasn't been on form yet and after their performance against the bengals I can't see them threatening
Eagles looked good but with westbrook out where do they go?

after the football is over at home the football here definitely makes the winter a little more bearable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 26, 2008, 03:15:07 AM
USC getting their butts kicked by OREGON STATE ??? ???

14-0  almost end of 1st half

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 26, 2008, 03:46:28 AM
21 zip at half time! USC getting owned at the line!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 29, 2008, 09:21:56 AM
Few shocks last night.

Jason Campell and the Skins beat the Cowboys in Irving. Great stuff. Kansas City beat the Bronco's convincingly and the Titans keep on winning!! Its really turning out to be an intriguing season, 4 contenders in the NFC East but no team looking invincible. Who would have guessed at the Bills being undefeated after 4 weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 29, 2008, 09:24:22 AM
S.O.C.


(Same ol' Cardinals)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 29, 2008, 09:41:08 AM
how many times did Kurt Warner turn over the ball??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 29, 2008, 09:45:28 AM
how many times did Kurt Warner turn over the ball??

He had 4 fumbles and lost 3 of them and threw 3 int's...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 30, 2008, 02:27:49 PM
A sobering bit of news. That Jacksonville Offensive Tackle that was shot before the season has survived, but his condition isn't anything to be shouting about. Poor divil.

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In this Aug. 7, 2006 file photo, Jacksonville Jaguars offensive lineman Richard Collier takes part in warm-up drills during the Jaguars football training camp in Jacksonville, Fla. Doctors say Collier is paralyzed below the waist and that they amputated one of his legs. Collier was shot and critically wounded earlier this month as he sat in a vehicle outside an apartment building with a former teammate. Doctors say he has 14 bullet wounds, but is now in stable condition. No one has been arrested.
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP)—Jacksonville Jaguars offensive tackle Richard Collier, shot while sitting in a car outside an apartment complex earlier this month, is paralyzed below the waist and his left leg was amputated, his doctor said Monday.

Collier was on a ventilator for about three weeks and has no memory of the shooting, said Dr. Andy Kerwin, a surgeon for the University of Florida at Shands Jacksonville hospital.

“His overall condition has improved greatly,” Kerwin said. “We expect him to be discharged soon.”

Kerwin said Collier suffered 14 bullet wounds to the back, left groin, left legs and right buttock. In addition, a bullet severed his spinal cord, causing the paralysis. The amputation was the result of damage to his left leg and groin, where blood clots formed. Five bullets alone were removed from his urinary bladder and the 26-year-old player also had bouts of pneumonia, infections and renal failure.

Still, his condition has been upgraded to good from critical.

Collier will undergo physical therapy to learn how to move from his bed to a wheelchair. He will never walk again, the doctor said.
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Collier’s agent Jeff Jankovich said the player’s family wanted to make sure Collier understood what had happened to him before releasing details to the public. He said they even kept the Jaguars in the dark.

“He has extreme grief for a lifetime of dreams he won’t be able to fulfill,” the agent said.

Jankovich refused to say specifically when Collier would be released, citing security concerns.

Collier and former teammate Kenneth Pettway were waiting for two women outside an apartment complex early Sept. 2 when a gunman fired into the vehicle, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office. Pettway was not injured.

The motive behind the attack on Collier is unknown, but investigators said earlier he appeared to be targeted. Police have made no arrests in the shooting.

Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio and several players attended the news conference.

“It’s a tragedy this young man was caught up in this violence,” Del Rio said. “It’s a great tragedy for a young man who had such a promising future.”

Offensive tackle Tony Pashos said the attack on Collier has been difficult for his teammates. “I think about him a lot,” he said.

Collier was in his third year with the NFL after graduating from Valdosta State.

He was the third NFL player shot in the past 18 months. Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor was fatally shot during what police said was a botched burglary attempt at his Miami-area home in November. Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was killed when his rented limousine was sprayed with bullets minutes after leaving a New Year’s party at a club in 2007.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 30, 2008, 03:29:03 PM
Poor lad, heart goes out to him. I guess its just a sympton US society and it can be very hard for players who might have in the  past been mixed up in gang activity to shake it off. Im not saying that Richard Collier was involved in any of it but I guess one could could easily jump to that conclusion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 01, 2008, 11:44:03 AM
Just sacked baby........Letter given to Lane Kiffin on 12 September by Al Davis. What a circus....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80b4423a&template=with-video&confirm=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 01, 2008, 02:39:28 PM
The Madness of King Al,

He's the Robert Mugabe of the NFL! He cant let go of the power even though its destroying the thing he loves so much.

I recommend you read "Your OK Its Only A Bruise" by Rob Huizenga the Raiders team doctor during the 80's. You'll get an insight to how Al is not only a megalomaniac but also a vindictive ******.

I feel sorry for Raiders fans, I do like them, but I cant see them ever succeeding while Davis has his fingers in all the pies.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 03, 2008, 10:48:07 AM
Anyone who went to Wembley last year, can you tell me whats the storey with tickets getting delivered to Ireland. How long before the event did they arrive. I checked Ticketmaster but they havent dispatched yet. was hoping they'd arrive before the 11th. Just hope someones home when they arrive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 03, 2008, 10:56:53 AM
Anyone who went to Wembley last year, can you tell me whats the storey with tickets getting delivered to Ireland. How long before the event did they arrive. I checked Ticketmaster but they havent dispatched yet. was hoping they'd arrive before the 11th. Just hope someones home when they arrive.

Juice i think it was about 14 days before the match if i remember right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 03, 2008, 11:27:14 AM
Did anyone else going to the game apply for the tailgate party tickets on the Sunday morn?
Food beer music and the Saints cheerleaders..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 03, 2008, 11:46:39 AM
seen it, didnt bother, was thinking a tailgating party in london may be slightly less appealling than one in san diego, sounds good all the same il just prob head for a slap of pints!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 03, 2008, 01:40:38 PM
Did anyone else going to the game apply for the tailgate party tickets on the Sunday morn?
Food beer music and the Saints cheerleaders..

didnt know you needed seperate tickets for it, was hoping to go along
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 03, 2008, 02:23:17 PM
Did anyone else going to the game apply for the tailgate party tickets on the Sunday morn?
Food beer music and the Saints cheerleaders..

didnt know you needed seperate tickets for it, was hoping to go along

This is the email i got about it juice
 

NFL UK is excited to announce that there will be a free New Orleans-themed Tailgate Party at Wembley Stadium from 11:00am to 4:00pm prior to this year’s International Series game between the New Orleans Saints and San Diego Chargers at Wembley Stadium on Sunday October 26th. The Tailgate Party is open to all International Series Game ticket holders.

To apply for your tickets for this fantastic event, all you need to do is email tailgateuk@nfl.com and include your name and Ticketmaster order number. You can find your Ticketmaster order number in the Ticket confirmation email you received from customer.services@ticketmaster.co.uk following your ticket purchase. Your code should be in the following formats: 
Click here to see an example of how Ticketmaster’s order number would be presented on your confirmation email.

If your application is granted, you will receive the same number of Tailgate Party tickets as your Ticketmaster order for the Game. Tailgate tickets will be sent out in the same package as your Game tickets in early-October.

The 20,000 person party will be the biggest organized tailgate event ever to take place in the UK, and will include New Orleans-based jazz bands, NFL Experience games and a Mardi Gras parade.

Live on stage will be a variety of famed New Orleans jazz to get the party in full swing.

Also appearing at the Tailgate Party will be Saints’ cheerleaders, who will perform on stage for fans prior to taking the field.

In addition to the New Orleans-themed entertainment, there will be exciting food and drink options available to attendees. Authentic New Orleans recipes like jambalaya and étouffe will be on offer in addition to traditional football fare like hotdogs and hamburgers.

Coors Light – the Official beer sponsor of the NFL -- will be providing a beer garden for NFL fans to meet-up and enjoy some ice cold, Rocky Mountain refreshment before kick-off of the big game between the Saints and Chargers.

Also available for fans attending the event will be a large Reebok NFL merchandise marquee, which will include an array of NFL gear including replica jerseys, caps, t-shirts, helmets, footballs and special commemorative International Series souvenirs.

If you want to spend time at the Tailgate Party sharpening your football skills there will be 11 NFL Experience games on site available to test your ability. Practice your throwing, blocking, catching, kicking, tackling and running with a variety of different fun games that will appeal to children and adults.

If playing football on screen is more your thing, then EA Sports will be there giving everyone an opportunity to play their latest and greatest NFL title: Madden NFL 09.  There will also be a limited number of walk-up spots available to compete in the UK’s Madden Challenge Finals, where you will have an opportunity to win great prizes -- including a Grand Prize trip to Beaches Turks & Caicos Resort and Spa in January 2009, to compete for a share of prizes totalling US$100,000 in the global Madden Challenge Finals!

The party gets underway at 11:00am, with three custom-designed Mardi Gras floats at 12:00pm which will arrive at the Tailgate site from the streets surrounding Wembley behind a rousing New Orleans marching band. Vibrantly coloured revelers on the floats will throw traditional New Orleans beads into the crowds to set the atmosphere alight and prepare fans for the big game in the stadium. Following behind the floats will be musicians including members of the Apache Mardi Gras Indian Tribe.
At 4:00pm the Tailgate Party will come to a close with the procession of the Mardi Gras floats from the Tailgate site into the stadium, where they will contribute to the pre-game entertainment.

The entertainment will spill over into the streets surrounding Wembley, with musical entertainment on Olympic Way and at Wembley Stadium Station, as well as the passing of the Mardi Gras parade floats through the surrounding streets before their arrival at the Tailgate party.

To apply for your tickets for this fantastic event all you need to do is email tailgateuk@nfl.com and include your name and Ticketmaster order number. You can find your Ticketmaster order number in the Ticket confirmation email you received from customer.services@ticketmaster.co.uk following your purchase of tickets. Your code should be in the following formats:

Click here to see an example of how Ticketmaster’s order number would be presented on your confirmation email.

If your application is granted, you will receive the same number of Tailgate Party tickets as your Ticketmaster order for the Game. Tailgate tickets will be sent out in the same package as your Game tickets in early-October.
 
 


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 05:35:54 PM
My pick 4 for today is;

Giants -7
Patriots -3
Cardinals -1 ?
Jaguars -4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 05, 2008, 06:34:28 PM
The Giants look absolutley awesome at the minute. Every bit the Superbowl champs. Eli Manning is making unreal passes under pressure. Jacobs is going well too. Falcons up 10-0 against the Pack, looking good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 11:17:53 PM
Bengals back in it against Cowboys!
Cards doing the stuff so far against the unbeaten Buffalo!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 05, 2008, 11:45:44 PM
Bengals - 16
Cowboys - 17

13mins left in 4th, C'mon Cinci
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 11:49:35 PM
feck i hate TO!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 11:58:35 PM
Bengals td :)
missed 2 pt conversion
24  22    Cowboys lead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 06, 2008, 12:29:24 AM
My pick 4 for today is;

Giants -7
Patriots -3
Cardinals -1 ?
Jaguars -4

Three up and one till go :)
Come on the Jags!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 06, 2008, 10:02:51 AM
I know the Lions are not good but 300+ passing yards for a Chicago QB with 2 TD's and NO INTERCEPTIONS! Go Bears! 3-2 and top of the division and could easily be 5-0. Importantly the defense is not on the field all the time. Could be a good year!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2008, 10:06:52 AM
3-2 Cards. Take that Bills!!. Oh, and Mr. Cadle and co, The Cardinals first win of the season was on the road in San Francisco. They just cannot travel west to East. The Cards are now 2-1 against the AFC East, and beat the 4-0 Bills, and the 2-2 dolphins, who beat the Pats and Chargers.

Having said that, it could still be the Same Ol' Cardinals yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 07, 2008, 07:08:41 AM
Check out the block that Reggie Bush recieves on his way to a punt return touch down (2.22) - LAID OUT!

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 07, 2008, 09:47:55 AM
Cardinals were impressive. Even without Boulden the passing game was working. They should consider themselves
play-off contenders this year.

But the player of the week for me is Seth Rosenfelds  :D

it was one of those "what the hell were you thinking" moments
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 07, 2008, 08:57:53 PM
Check out the block that Reggie Bush recieves on his way to a punt return touch down (2.22) - LAID OUT!

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights)

i love monday night football! some game that, how many big missed calls tho. bush is some player
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on October 07, 2008, 09:03:04 PM
Backed Minnesota for the Superbowl, thought they were doing ok, but their odds have went out
What is the story there?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 07, 2008, 09:47:58 PM
They're 2-3 and don't have a QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 09, 2008, 05:05:21 PM
TICKETS FOR WEMBLEY HAVE DISPATCHED! BE WARNED! RETURN TO YOUR HOME IMMEDIATELY AND AWAIT THE ARRIVAL OF THE FEDEX DELIVERY PERSON!

Thank You
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 09, 2008, 05:09:51 PM
excitment growing!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 09, 2008, 05:28:32 PM
thats great can't wait heading over satuday week coming back tuesday really lloking forward to the whole event
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 09, 2008, 05:31:55 PM
what's everyones plans?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
I'm heading over Saturday morning, the 25th, and back on Monday the 27th. I hope to follow a similar pattern to last year in terms of pre match porter and all. Saturday night in Covent Garden area, Porterhouse and on to a late bar.

Sunday morning, up to the Green Man, near Wembley, which was very good last year. Cheerleaders, Barbeque, Beer and Merchandise of all NFL teams, (which is unlikely at Wembley itself, last year they just had Dolphins and Giants' gear).

If ye are around, I'll be the Biffo in Arizona Cardinals gear!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 09, 2008, 06:47:29 PM
Aye, we'll probably head to the Green Man,

I thnk this is going to be a really good game the more I thnk about it. Neither team is playing perfect, lots of turnovers, big plays, 2  potentially explosive offence, 2 suspect defences.  Cant wait.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 11, 2008, 01:06:28 PM
are the dodgers dead? hope they can come back. it'd be great to see them play the red sox just to make manny go back to boston. he'll get some reception there ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 13, 2008, 12:44:55 AM
Great win for the Cardinals they deserved that!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 13, 2008, 01:22:35 AM
Aye, seems like an exciting finish. Cowboys, Redskins, Panthers,lose while the Eagles beat the 9ers, Falcons beat the Bears (Ryan 301yds, Top NFC South). The Colts absolutley stomped on the Ravens as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on October 13, 2008, 01:41:06 AM
Go on the Falcons!!! That's some win. 14-2 season ahead :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 13, 2008, 07:17:44 AM
Aye, seems like an exciting finish. Cowboys, Redskins, Panthers,lose while the Eagles beat the 9ers, Falcons beat the Bears (Ryan 301yds, Top NFC South). The Colts absolutley stomped on the Ravens as well.

4 games decided with 10 seconds or less thrilling weekend, Atlanta field goal killed my square for 1250.00 :'(



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2008, 09:34:37 AM
Savage result for the Cards. After giving away a 10 point lead with 2.40 remaining, I was sure they'd lose, but they even bucked the trend by losing the toss for OT, and still coming up with the win. Okeafor gave away a stupid offside penalty which allowed Folk the chance to make a 52 yard FG to tie, instead of a 57 yard attempt, but his sack on Romo in OT made up for it. Great win, and 4-2 heading for the bye week. Could it possibly be this year? As it stands they lead the NFC West, and have beated 2 AFC East teams, and 1 NFC East team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 13, 2008, 10:52:26 AM
Roller coaster final half a quarter watching da Bears last night. Stuffed on 4th and goal. Crazy missed FG by Atlanta after a monstrous return and a good stand by the Bears D. Then a drive that deserved to win the game put Bears in the lead only for Ryan's heroics to set up that winning FG and redemption for the Falcs kicker. Bears drop to 3-3 but could easily be better than that. NFC north is going to be tight. 3 home games coming and need to get fat on them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 13, 2008, 02:15:21 PM
Anyone's tickets for Wembley arrive yet? Ticketmaster sadly dont give a Fedex tracking number, it would have been useful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 13, 2008, 02:30:20 PM
What a day yesterday! Anyone who got a bet up with those results yesterday deserves some serious credit.

The cards, the rams, big upsets.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2008, 02:34:42 PM
The Cards have periodically done well against the Cowboys. I remember a few wins when I was a season ticket holder in the late 90s. The Cardinals actually beat the 'Boys in the playoffs in Dallas in 1998 with Jake Plummer, so I wasn't shocked with that result, although it was an upset. Arizona at home are quite good at times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 13, 2008, 02:36:47 PM
no doubt AZ, but with all the talk of this being the cowboys year I didnt see it coming! Let me know next time and ill cut you a share!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 13, 2008, 08:04:07 PM
Aye, seems like an exciting finish. Cowboys, Redskins, Panthers,lose while the Eagles beat the 9ers, Falcons beat the Bears (Ryan 301yds, Top NFC South). The Colts absolutley stomped on the Ravens as well.

4 games decided with 10 seconds or less thrilling weekend, Atlanta field goal killed my square for 1250.00 :'(


some kick under pressure all 48 yards of it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 13, 2008, 10:39:16 PM
Hopefully yesterdays excitment can carry into tonights Giants Browns game.  Giants going for 5-0! Are they the best in the league now?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 14, 2008, 02:29:03 AM
Hopefully yesterdays excitment can carry into tonights Giants Browns game.  Giants going for 5-0! Are they the best in the league now?

Only by record. The teams they beat have a combined record of 6-16.

Cinc   0-6
was   4-2
Stl     1-4
Sea    1-4

Week 8 they play at Pit then have Dal, Phi,Bal and AZ. If the win all those or only lose 1 game there, yes they are the best.

I know they can only play who they are scheduled against but it has been a cake walk so far.

In the mean time the Bears should be undefeated, look for a run at the end and the Bears tearing it up in the playoffs.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 14, 2008, 02:38:26 AM
Big injury in Big D.

Dallas quarterback Tony Romo could be out four weeks with a broken pinkie finger.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 14, 2008, 04:39:40 AM
GO BROWNS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 14, 2008, 05:01:02 AM
Giants 4-1 :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 14, 2008, 05:08:37 AM
At least the Red Sox were beat carmen  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 14, 2008, 05:19:57 AM
Yeah and LA :)
Anderson had some game for Cleveland! b**tard! >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 14, 2008, 10:18:43 PM
Pacman Jones suspended indefinatly, (month minimum)

Just gets worse for the Cowboys. The guy just cant keep out of trouble.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 15, 2008, 07:52:57 PM
How tough are football players?

Would Romo do this?


Mesa State College lineman has pinkie amputated
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Trevor Wikre was willing to forgo a finger for football.

The Mesa State College senior offensive lineman fractured his right pinkie so severely in practice on Tuesday, doctors told him he needed immediate surgery. His season and career would be finished.

Instead, Wikre told them to amputate the finger. He's now missing a good portion of his pinkie.

"I'm just short one," Wikre said with a chuckle. "But this game means that much to me. This team means that much to me."

Wikre will miss the Mavericks' game Saturday at Colorado School of Mines, but will be back the following week — albeit with his finger covered in a cast.

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"Football is something that's been in my blood," said Wikre, who's from Berthoud, Colo. "It's something I have a passion for. The game quits everybody eventually — you want to hang on to it as long as you can."

Wikre was going for a block in practice when he caught his finger in a teammate's jersey. At first, he didn't give the ailing pinkie a second thought, thinking the sensation he was feeling inside his glove was a piece of tape that had simply slipped off.

But when he removed his glove, the bone was jutting out, and he was immediately sent to the hospital.

Doctors informed Wikre he would need surgery to insert a pin and that he'd likely be out for up to six months as the finger healed. He couldn't bear the thought of his career ending so abruptly, so he decided to forsake the finger.

"This was the best way to get me back out there," Wikre said. "There are worse things in the world — a pinkie is not that bad in my mind."

The four-year starter is still a little sore that he can't play this weekend. Mesa State, a Division II school in Grand Junction, Colo., has won its last three games, and Wikre didn't want to mess up the mojo.

"We've got a great team," said Wikre, who was an all-Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference player last season. "We've got to keep this rolling."

Instead, he'll mentor his backup on the sideline, shouting encouragement and advice.

"I'll be that big supporter," he said.

The 6-foot-3, 280-pound Wikre said he'll never glance back at his decision with remorse.

What's done is done.

"Never look back on the decisions you make," he said. "Everybody thinks I'm crazy, but anybody that loves sports and has had this camaraderie knows what it's like."

That's why he was willing to part with his pinkie.

"This will be a great story down the line," Wikre said.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 15, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
FOUR NEW TEAMS APPLY FOR IAFL MEMBERSHIP   
 
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The IAFL has received membership applications from 4 new teams who hope to play in 2009. With the upcoming strategic plan expected to focus on expanding the sport into new areas of the country, it is encouraging that 3 of the applications come from places where American football has never being played before. Each of these teams will now undertake the new members audit and a final decision on their status will be made by the end of next month. Successful applicants will most likely start playing in the DV-8s league. The IAFL would like to encourage anyone who is interested in joining these teams to contact them at the email addresses listed below. The applicants are:

Carlow Chargers email: itcchargers@gmail.com

Erris Rams (Mayo) email: michael@secondcityracing.com

Tralee Titans email: traleetitans@gmail.com

UCD Sentinels email: ucdaf@hotmail.com


good to see the irish league growing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 16, 2008, 09:44:24 AM
FOUR NEW TEAMS APPLY FOR IAFL MEMBERSHIP   
 
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The IAFL has received membership applications from 4 new teams who hope to play in 2009. With the upcoming strategic plan expected to focus on expanding the sport into new areas of the country, it is encouraging that 3 of the applications come from places where American football has never being played before. Each of these teams will now undertake the new members audit and a final decision on their status will be made by the end of next month. Successful applicants will most likely start playing in the DV-8s league. The IAFL would like to encourage anyone who is interested in joining these teams to contact them at the email addresses listed below. The applicants are:

Carlow Chargers email: itcchargers@gmail.com

Erris Rams (Mayo) email: michael@secondcityracing.com

Tralee Titans email: traleetitans@gmail.com

UCD Sentinels email: ucdaf@hotmail.com


good to see the irish league growing

That would be great if they set up a team in Erris would definately be interested in Joining be fcuk all use to them i suppose as i'm not 14 or 15 stone but sure i could be on the special (drinking ) team i suppose
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 16, 2008, 09:51:42 AM
I played and Im just over 13 stone, and there are plenty lads smaller than me playing. One lad who I played with was 5 ft nothing but he was our best player, who absolutely hammered lads when he tackled. Size isnt that important in the Irish league.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 16, 2008, 02:02:02 PM
London NFL tickets arrived today.. Good stuff..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 16, 2008, 02:06:46 PM
London NFL tickets arrived today.. Good stuff..

get them on ebay fast Rossie ;) :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 19, 2008, 02:26:14 PM
what about them sox!!!! game 7 tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2008, 02:30:45 PM
Fair play to them, they have certainley got the swagger back now!
Should be a good one tonight! Come on Tampa ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 19, 2008, 09:44:14 PM
Reggie Bush WONT be travelling to London due to a recurring knee injury against Carolina. Nuts

And the Rams kick the Cowboys ass. How about that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2008, 09:50:34 PM
What is going wrong in Dallas?
See some of the experts are blaming the HBO series Hard Knocks for being a distraction!
I think they are more like the Dubs, and that it is the press that hypes them up so much!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 19, 2008, 10:21:45 PM
Too many bad characters in one place, allied with too many key injuries, Romo, Newman, etc.

Green Bay are looking seriously strong if this is a return to form for Grant rather than just a big game against a Bob Sanders-less Colts D.

And Jack City are having a serious week too I think!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 19, 2008, 10:58:02 PM
Absolutely nuts game in Soldier Field finally settled by a 4th interception by the battered Bears secondary in the final minute. Once again Orton had a fine game passing ad though the running game was patchy at best its good that there's a bit of offence going on. Unfortunately the famed Bears D is struggling. Injuries are not helping and if they can get their guys healthy then some meanness may return.

A vital win against a division rival. Need to build on it now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 20, 2008, 12:07:42 AM
Goooooo Jets :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 20, 2008, 12:10:37 AM
Raiders coach to blame this time!
Farve is something else, the abuse that man has taken during this game and to drive the Jets the length of the field in under a minute for the equalising kick!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 20, 2008, 12:41:10 AM
Raiders win in over time with a 57 yard field goal! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
Janikowski has a kick like a fecking mule.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 20, 2008, 09:37:48 AM
If memory serves me right i think he was a 1st round draft pick which is unheard of for a kicker. Also explains why the Raiders are the Raiders,wasting a 1st round pick on a kicker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
I think you are right Minder. He came out of Florida State, I think. He was a 'story' a few years ago. Parents in Poland or somewhere, etc etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 20, 2008, 10:10:23 AM
He has some kick alright, but a 1st round pick,  thats Al Davis for ya,

hopefully coaches will stop doing that stupid Time-out call before kicks,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 20, 2008, 10:11:08 AM
Bush missing the wembley game is a disaster.
Huge blow for both the fans and the marketing men
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 10:24:05 AM
It's a pity alright, but lets not lose the run of ourselves. The Saints will still have Brees, Colston, McAllister, Shockey et al, and no defense. The Chargers will have Rivers, LT, Chambers, Gates and no Defense. :D

It's all good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 20, 2008, 10:30:34 AM
Watching them last night Colston and Shockey are nowhere near match fit.
Still we should see more points than last year!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on October 20, 2008, 10:36:54 AM
We have Mike Karney to look forward to - he's Irish!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 11:19:46 AM
Watching them last night Colston and Shockey are nowhere near match fit.
Still we should see more points than last year!!

Yesterday's game was their first for a few weeks. They should be a bit better next weekend. I think this could be a good offensive game. A direct contrast with 13-10 last year. Added spice in that whoever loses the game will be 3-5, and in a big hole. 4-4 will still feel good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 20, 2008, 12:22:15 PM
I've never rated Jeremy Shockey highly, he is very prone to losing the ball. Giants are doing much better with Kevin Boss,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 20, 2008, 01:47:16 PM
How about them Tampa Bay Rays??

From worst team in the league last season to playing in the World Series this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 01:47:53 PM
And all since they dropped the 'Devil' from their name. Allelujah brother!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 20, 2008, 02:18:51 PM
aw did the red sox lose?
that's a real pity

 ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 20, 2008, 04:29:08 PM
Watched my first baseball game last night and quite enjoyed it, even if its a terrible sport.

Dissapointed the red sox lost.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 20, 2008, 05:22:23 PM
could never get into the baseball - find it very boring

love the NFL though and watch it all weekend - makes monday nights a bit easier too

very intrigued by the NFC east this year - none of the supposed "in form" teams are doing anything worth talking about
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 20, 2008, 08:57:26 PM
Watched my first baseball game last night and quite enjoyed it, even if its a terrible sport.

Dissapointed the red sox lost.

dont know what you've been missing puck!! great game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 21, 2008, 01:40:43 PM
very intrigued by the NFC east this year - none of the supposed "in form" teams are doing anything worth talking about

only the Giants  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 21, 2008, 03:35:42 PM
very intrigued by the NFC east this year - none of the supposed "in form" teams are doing anything worth talking about

only the Giants  ;D

I'm a Giants fan now by association - my wife is from Long Island originally.
I like to think they won last year because I was "rooting" for them (that never sounds right does it?)
I can't see the giants winning again this year - they win but they don't look good in doing so.  They aren't the team they were last year and I see a shock winner of the Superbowl this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 21, 2008, 03:39:38 PM
I think the giants would qualify as a shock win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 21, 2008, 03:43:11 PM
Giants are currently favs
6/1

Pittsburgh 13/2
Titans 8/1
Chargers 10/1 (crazy should be at 20s)
Skins 11/1
Dallas Colts Eagles 14/1

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 21, 2008, 10:42:19 PM
49ers have fired Mike Nolan, I really thought they were going to turn it around with JT O'Sullivan but it hasn't happened.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 21, 2008, 11:52:48 PM
49ers have fired Mike Nolan, I really thought they were going to turn it around with JT O'Sullivan but it hasn't happened.

Now Mike Singletary is their Head Coach, "Samuri" Mike will put them through the ringer to get some wins.

Mike was the star linebacker for the Super Bowl Champs Chicago Bears in 85, pitty he wasn't asked to coach in Chicago as an assistant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 23, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=125

I have to say, it doesnt look like the ref was trying to get out of the way to me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 23, 2008, 02:00:57 PM
Is the "International Series" at Wembley running for another two years? Went last year, cant go this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on October 23, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=125

I have to say, it doesnt look like the ref was trying to get out of the way to me.

ha ha superb!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on October 23, 2008, 02:16:08 PM
http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=125

I have to say, it doesnt look like the ref was trying to get out of the way to me.

Have to say it doesnt take much to put the quarterback down :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 23, 2008, 05:17:45 PM
Well you cant run through referee's, its a penalty even if its inadvertent. And that referee was an All-American linebacker in his day so its not like he ran into Michael Curley
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 23, 2008, 05:21:07 PM
what was the story there juice as you said it looks like the referee took him out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 23, 2008, 08:31:41 PM
what was the story there juice as you said it looks like the referee took him out

looked like that to me too. some crowd at that game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 23, 2008, 10:37:21 PM
Well if you read the full article they decided that the referee was only protecting himself, but I dont know looks like he went to meet him. However you notice that the QB turns up field just a few secs before the collision so perhaps at full speed that might have been the case.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 23, 2008, 10:40:31 PM
Camera angles it must be, but from that angle it looks as if the referee is initiating the contact with a raised right shoulder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 24, 2008, 12:06:14 PM
so any of ye fancy meeting for a pint over the weekend?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2008, 12:08:19 PM
If you're in the porterhouse on Saturday night, or the Green Man on Sunday, I'm always very open to having a pint and a chat :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 24, 2008, 12:28:01 PM
the drunk man in the cards top??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 24, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Will be in Green man in Wembley on Sunday as well.
Looks like the spot to be
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2008, 01:10:55 PM
If you're in the Fear Glas on Sunday, I'll be the one with the Edgerrin James Arizona Cardinals jersey. There's unlikely to be many of us! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 24, 2008, 01:52:59 PM
Well lads if ye are meeting up lets try and be more organsised than them 2 nordies and poor laoislad  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2008, 02:36:42 PM
If you're going to be around, send me a PM now and I'll PM you my phone number.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 24, 2008, 04:57:55 PM
I might be in the Green man, but I dont know what the schedule is. I'll be wearing a Falcons top anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 24, 2008, 06:35:10 PM
Heres a bit of interesting info, which country googles "american football" the most??   :D

http://www.google.com/trends?q=american+football
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 01:53:55 AM
What is wrong with the people who run baseball.  The so called world series game three to be played tonight is on the verge of being called off due to rain in Philly!
They have played over 2000 games during the summer and they make them play there final at the end of october in the cold and rain ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 26, 2008, 01:48:24 AM
And it doesn't rain in the summer?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 01:48:44 AM
You know what is worse me sitting for nearly two hours watching two fat guys sitting under a cover in the rain talking about the rain!!!
Here we go the third game in the baseball final is about to start, Philadelphia vs Tampa bay Series tied at 1 each! (not that anyone gives a toss!)
Nothing much else on?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 01:51:59 AM
The chances would be alot less!
Dont know about were you are, but here in NY you wouldnt put your wifes lover out in it! Fuckin Freezing and windy and wet! Reminds me of home :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 26, 2008, 02:31:10 AM
You know what is worse me sitting for nearly two hours watching two fat guys sitting under a cover in the rain talking about the rain!!!
Here we go the third game in the baseball final is about to start, Philadelphia vs Tampa bay Series tied at 1 each! (not that anyone gives a toss!)
Nothing much else on?

PSU vs OSU is a great game on ABC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 26, 2008, 08:20:02 PM
I think its safe to say LT is back!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 27, 2008, 02:29:30 PM
Just back form London, What a game, it was brilliant, Drew Brees was awesome, even though Rivers got more passing yards he could thread needles with his passes Although that safety, I dont know who's idea that was but it looked it was intentional. Penalties killed the Chargers I think the lost about 140yds through indisipline. Shame about Reggie not being there but it was still great. Seats were great just on the San Diego forty about half way up the upper tier.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 27, 2008, 09:28:43 PM
Did anyone hit the tailgate party?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2008, 11:40:47 AM
Great weekend, and I managed to meet nobody from the board, apart from Lone Shark, but I do meet him in Ferbane :D

Got sidetracked out in the Stoop on Saturday, and ended up getting jarred out there, which meant I was too late to get into the Porterhouse. I think I did see bombidal from the street though, as the bouncers were throwing people out at closing time :D . I believe the brother kept the family name intact though :D

Savage stuff though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 28, 2008, 11:46:30 AM
Quote
Although that safety, I dont know who's idea that was but it looked it was intentional.


Was defo intentional.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2008, 11:52:50 AM
It was intentional. It's a ploy you see being used a bit in the NFL, although not that often. Basically the thought process is that you don't want to risk a punt return for a TD, or a punt return that will give the opposition 2 plays within 30 yards of your end zone.

It was poorly executed though. Brees, by rights, should have made sure there was only about 2 or 3 seconds on the clock when he threw it out of the endzone. The way it went down gave the Saints the chance to return the 'Free Kick' and also get a Hail Mary off. They should have been in a position to do a kick to a non-returner and jump on him with only a couple of seconds left. Game over.

The first time I saw this was the Cardinals at home against the Giants I think. The Cards led by a touchdown with about 12 seconds on the clock, but had 4th down from their own 25. Plummer took the snap and ran like a rabbit to the endzone. The Giants all ran in after him and he scooted around until there was 2 seconds on the clock before stepping out of the back of the endzone.

The Free Kick was booted to a Giants linebacker on special teams, and he was tackled back at the Giants 40 with no time left, Game over. That's what they'd have been trying to do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 28, 2008, 11:58:42 AM
Yeah the more I thought about it, it made sense, a blocked punt would have been a disaster, but having said that, Imagine if that hail mary was caught. I was hoping the saints would win but I was cheering for a Chargers comeback in the last quater and we got one,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2008, 12:07:54 PM
As I said, the concept is sound, but the execution was dodgy. You need to be careful about putting points on the board for the opposition, and also be aware of the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 28, 2008, 12:45:45 PM
I don't know how much more time he could have burned off. Poor blocking meant they were really closing in on him when he tossed it away. Another second or two at best.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2008, 01:07:41 PM
Another second or two would have meant no Hail Mary play. At that stage every second counts, literally.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 28, 2008, 02:33:49 PM
By the way, what happened with the intro. Big mess up of it with the siants coming out at midfield. Not that it mattered but it was one of those moments that made you wonder about the organsiation of the event. Also was Joss Stone boo-ed before she sang GSTQ?

I did my best to join in on Star Spangled Banner but Ne-Yo ( :P ) was doing his best to over-sing it. And I didnt know all the words either. So I just hummed loudly in parts. I'll throw a few photos up when I can.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 28, 2008, 02:37:55 PM
By the way, Titans going 7-0, good going. Colts look like they wont threaten, they just arent connecting. The Pats are top their division and people were starting to say it on the tube going to Wembley, the Patriots are picking up momentum and are probably going to win the whole thing like we were afraid they would, only without Tom Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 29, 2008, 11:17:30 AM
You always got the feeling the teams dont want to be in London due to the travelling, logistics, giving up a home game etc.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80c09adc&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 29, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
Fair play to him for being honest. Probably not what Roger Goodell wanted to hear. It is a raw deal for both teams and considering the large operation that is NFL football teams its quite an achievement to move them over and back across the Atlantic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 29, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
You always got the feeling the teams dont want to be in London due to the travelling, logistics, giving up a home game etc.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80c09adc&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

He's right about the pitch anyway but the pitch has been a disgrace ever since they finished the new Wembley and not just for NFL. They haven't managed to get a consistent surface down on it yet. It keeps cutting up.

In comparison those boys would probably kneel down and kiss the Croke Park turf if they ever get to play on it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bombidal on October 29, 2008, 04:46:01 PM
Brees mis managed the clock a couple of times on their last possesion. Was a bit shocked to see him do it to be honest. I for one wasnt running out to get a good seat in the pub ! As I said on another thread quality weekend. Who do we want to see next year ? Colts v the packers or patriots would be great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 29, 2008, 05:42:46 PM
Was Wembley full? Would it have been possible to pick up tickets on the day?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 29, 2008, 06:51:08 PM
over 83k at it - dont know if thats full or not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bombidal on October 29, 2008, 08:46:38 PM
all the tickets were sold but I did see a few hundred spare seats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 09:42:27 AM
Arizona Cardinals 5-3, every one else in the Division (Worst in football maybe) is 2-6.

3 game lead with 8 games to go. Only the Cardinals could screw this up. Oh.. wait.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 03, 2008, 09:51:38 AM
Da Bears limped to a very unimpressive win against whipping boys the Lions and will need to up it several notches for next week against the Titans who look impressive. Sadly Orton's injury means its likely Grossman will lost the game on his own next week. People might raise eyebrows at that statement given he threw for a TD and ran one in himself in the second half but this was against the Lions and he was chronic besides. Matt Forte got the job done. Mike Brown's injury again depletes a Bears secondary that's had a wild amount of injuries. The defense just isn't the same as it was. Still 5-3 and heading the Division is not bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2008, 09:52:45 AM
Arizona Cardinals 5-3, every one else in the Division (Worst in football maybe) is 2-6.

3 game lead with 8 games to go. Only the Cardinals could screw this up. Oh.. wait.

No maybe about it........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 09:58:40 AM
AFC West is just as bad.

Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs and Raiders?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2008, 10:08:27 AM
AFC West is just as bad.

Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs and Raiders?

Chargers are one of the most talented teams in the NFL but are playing gash, i will give you the other three though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 03, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
Well done to the Bungles fior picking up their 1st win. I like them and I wish they'd win something but they seem to implode everytime they improve. I've always like Palmer and Housmanzada (and #85 I've liked but he's gone down a bit in my estimation). Giants rolled over the Cowboys quite comfortably. If one thing this season has taught us it is imperitive to have 2 good QBs.

"Romo, Romo, where art thou Romo?"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 10:25:03 AM
Cowboys might be done. Playing in the NFC East is punishment. It's like Ulster :D

The Cowboys are bottom of the NFC East at 5-3. Looks like the Giants will win that division, and you could conceivably bottom of that division with a winning record. The AFC West and NFC West might end up with 3 teams below .500, and a winner just above it.

In fairness to the NFC West, at least the division leader is 5-3, the division leader in the AFC West is 4-4!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 03, 2008, 09:44:09 PM
Cowboys might be done. Playing in the NFC East is punishment. It's like Ulster :D

The Cowboys are bottom of the NFC East at 5-3. Looks like the Giants will win that division, and you could conceivably bottom of that division with a winning record. The AFC West and NFC West might end up with 3 teams below .500, and a winner just above it.

In fairness to the NFC West, at least the division leader is 5-3, the division leader in the AFC West is 4-4!!


there is a good few games to go yet
cowboys as much as I hate them will be back - Romo should be available in another two weeks
giants defense were excellent this weekend - manning was ok and Jacobs is a wrecking ball - I doubt Francie Bellew could even stop him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2008, 10:05:16 PM
Just announced on ESPN that Brady Quinn will start for Cleveland Browns in week 10.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2008, 10:06:55 PM
Just announced on ESPN that Brady Quinn will start for Cleveland Browns in week 10.



Good stuff, i always thought Anderson was a one hit wonder. He will probably be traded in the spring.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2008, 10:09:57 PM
Just announced on ESPN that Brady Quinn will start for Cleveland Browns in week 10.



Good stuff, i always thought Anderson was a one hit wonder. He will probably be traded in the spring.

He will end up as a backup QB making over a million a year, not a bad gig.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2008, 04:57:44 AM
How boring are Pittsburgh!!! Some defence though.
Steelers 23
Redskins  6

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2008, 05:06:15 AM
By the way for anyone that is interested Ben Roethilsberger was replaced in the second half by Byron Leftwich. Shoulder injury.
Leftwich looked the part, played well!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2008, 08:04:13 AM
Brady Quinn got his start last night, did alright, 23 of 35 passes, 239yds 2TDs and no Ints. But they still lost and blew a 14 point lead  :-\ 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2008, 10:09:54 AM
Great stuff Caitlin:

http://deadspin.com/5075170/patriots-other-young-cheerleader-follows-well+traveled-path-to-stardom#viewcomments
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2008, 02:18:59 PM
Just gonna throw out my picks for Week 10

NO  SAINTS beat ATL FALCS  - though I hope not

TEN TITS beat CHI  BEARS 

JAC JAGS beat DET LIONS

HOU TEXS beat BAL RAVENS

SEA SEA beat MIA DOLS

NE PATS beat BUF BILLS

NY JETS beat STL RAMS

CAR PANTS beat OAK RAID

PIT STEELERS beat IND COLTS

SD CHARGERS
beat KC CHIEFS

NYG beat PHILLY EAGLES

ARI CARDS beat SF 49ERS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 08, 2008, 03:05:19 PM
Taking the Bears to beat the Titans along with Jets,Chargers and Cardinals.

Eagles vs Giants Sunday night should be interesting!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 09, 2008, 08:36:18 PM

NO  SAINTS beat ATL FALCS  - Wrong so far, thankfully

TEN TITS beat CHI  BEARS  - Right so far

JAC JAGS beat DET LIONS - Right so far

HOU TEXS beat BAL RAVENS - Right so far

SEA SEA beat MIA DOLS - wrong so far

NE PATS beat BUF BILLS - right so far

NY JETS beat STL RAMS - Very right so far,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 09, 2008, 09:26:28 PM
I would just like to say that Rex Grossman is useless and should never be let wear a Bears uniform again. What is he being paid to be that crap? Crunch game next week. Just have to hope Orton is fit to play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 09, 2008, 11:24:26 PM
I would just like to say that Rex Grossman is useless and should never be let wear a Bears uniform again. What is he being paid to be that crap? Crunch game next week. Just have to hope Orton is fit to play.

agree totally magpie! What a joke he is! :(
Can anyone else see Tennesse going unbeaten?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 10, 2008, 12:20:23 AM
Anyone watching Chargers Cheifs?
Why not take the tie for overtime? kept the chargers season alive!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on November 10, 2008, 08:50:29 AM
Anyone watching Chargers Cheifs?
Why not take the tie for overtime? kept the chargers season alive!

yeah, WTF was that about, bad call!!

was delighted though, if Kansas hadnt missed the extra point in the first half it would have made some difference!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 10, 2008, 09:21:34 AM
Was too tired to stay up but watched the highlights this morning. Surprised by the Colts win, Drew Brees, threw 400+ yds again, will probably beat Marino's record but Saints wont make the play-offs. Great win for the Falcons, we have a really tough time of it to make the play-offs with Tampa and Carolina in good form to.

Gaints keep winning, I would rate them higher than the Titans mostly because of who they've beaten,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 10, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
Quote
Anyone watching Chargers Cheifs?
Why not take the tie for overtime? kept the chargers season alive!

They are 1-7 away from home with a chance to win the match against divisional rival.
I thought fair play to them for going for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 11, 2008, 01:08:14 PM
anyone see the game last night? Brilliant
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 11, 2008, 03:29:56 PM
I didn't see it live, but I taped it to watch tonight. Go Cards!!!! 6-3, with 2 big games coming up against the Seahawks. The Dolphins holding on against the Hawks could be great for the Cardinals. They are 4 games ahead in the division now, but they have tough games upcoming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 11, 2008, 03:34:20 PM
I didn't see it live, but I taped it to watch tonight. Go Cards!!!! 6-3, with 2 big games coming up against the Seahawks. The Dolphins holding on against the Hawks could be great for the Cardinals. They are 4 games ahead in the division now, but they have tough games upcoming.

They have possibly the best Offense and certainly the best set of receivers in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 11, 2008, 03:35:00 PM
In all honesty - the NFC West is all but wrapped up for Arizona
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Fear Rua on November 11, 2008, 03:40:57 PM
I went to the Seahawks /Eagles game, great start for the home team, but really they are shite. Weiner dog racing at half time was interesting..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2008, 10:06:10 PM
NFC West is dire to be fair. 3 2-7 teams!

Any shoe-ins for the Pro-bowl?

Peterson, Turner, Portis, RB

Brees, Warner, Cutler for QB?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 11, 2008, 10:09:24 PM
Could Warner be NFC MVP????  ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on November 11, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2008, 10:56:10 PM
Warner MVP, anything is possible. Its just wierd not to see the names Brady or Manning up in the rankings

by the way anyone ever look on this website, its gas

http://www.bangcartoon.com/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 11, 2008, 11:02:28 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?




No particular ranking just the top teams but it does tend to change from year to year

Eastern Conference

New York Rangers
Pittsburgh Penguins
Boston Bruins
Buffalo Sabres
Montreal Canadiens
Washington Capitols

Western Conference

Detroit Redwings
Chicago Blackhawks
Minnesota Wild
San Jose Sharks
Anaheim Ducks
Vancouver Canucks

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 11, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?




The Toronto Maple Leafs  8) :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 12, 2008, 12:14:26 AM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?




The Toronto Maple Leafs  8) :D

Left them off on purpose Gabe   ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 13, 2008, 10:24:10 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c6fce4

NFL in Surround Sound,

Wear headphones!

Listen out for McNabbs fan at 4:13  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 13, 2008, 10:27:30 PM
First bet in a while for Puck tonight

Jets money line
Jets Patriots over 41
Miami over virginia tech -4.5
Cleveland Cavs money line
Pistons Warriors over 200.5

10$ parlay, may pay 230$. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 14, 2008, 12:49:13 AM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?

please refrain from mentioning ice hockey- this is a sports thread
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 14, 2008, 02:32:14 AM
The Pats are getting smoked
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 03:31:23 AM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?

please refrain from mentioning ice hockey- this is a sports thread

Heganboy,
Hockey is one of the best sports in the world
Constant action, big hits, incredible skating skills and they let you fight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 03:53:51 AM
The Pats are getting smoked

All squared up 24-24 with 10:00 minutes left        Good Game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 04:44:49 AM
The Pats are getting smoked

All squared up 24-24 with 10:00 minutes left        Good Game

Jets go up 7 then New England ties it up with 1 second left!!

Jets get ball overtime drive down to the 19 yard Feely attempts 34 yrd Field Goal

and it is GOOOOOOOOOD  Jets win  GREAT GAME

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 04:51:47 AM
First bet in a while for Puck tonight

Jets money line
Jets Patriots over 41
Miami over virginia tech -4.5
Cleveland Cavs money line
Pistons Warriors over 200.5

10$ parlay, may pay 230$. Here's hoping.

Miami snaked ya.
tough pulling off a 5 play parlay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 14, 2008, 09:45:24 AM
what a big miss tom brady is
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 15, 2008, 11:13:50 AM
what a big miss tom brady is

watched the match yesterday and in fairness to cassells he threw 3 tds for over 400 yards and had over 62 yards rushing so he couldn't do a lot more , however i do know that Brady is a big loss to my fantasy team :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 15, 2008, 12:34:47 PM
Jets V Giants super bowl...heard it here first  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 16, 2008, 11:17:55 PM
Eagles and the Bungles drew  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2008, 09:47:52 AM
7-3 Baby, 7-3. The Giants heading to Phoenix next weekend, which may well be 7-4, but the Cards are getting close to winning the NFC Worst for the first time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2008, 12:36:33 PM
Abject stuff from da Bears and a real head scratcher. How could they stop the Titans on the ground a week before but be totally ran over by the Packers? On the other side of the ball Orton wasn't at his best and inexplicably they stopped runnig the ball when they were having some success there. The Rams next week should offer a chance to steady the ship but the much vaunted and highly paid Bears D is in chaos. It seems the best man they had was Ron Rivera.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2008, 03:48:18 PM
I see Brandon Jacobs is out this weekend, Jamie Dukes and Rod Woodson giving the game to the Cards on NFLTA today as well.

Thinking about staying up for the Ohio-Pennsylvania game. Its always a hard fought game even if the Steelers are probably going to tear them a new ocho
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2008, 03:53:12 PM
Steelers look really good to me. What time will it be over at?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
probably 4:30am, Ill probably go straight to bed after work and get up at 1:30am.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 20, 2008, 03:56:03 PM
The Giants game will be a reality check for the Cardinals. It will either be a wake up call, thinking they are better than they are at 7-3, or a real boost in terms of preparing for the playoffs. If they could pull off a win against the 9-1 Giants it would be a great statement, and would probably mean winning the division after 11 games, which is a real rarity in the NFL, even by NFC Worst standards. The Cardinals have two problems as far as being a serious, serious team. The first is they need balance in the offence. It's brilliant having Breaston, Boldin and MacGearailt at wide receiver, with Urban chipping in as well, and Arrington and Hightower as threats from check down passing plays, but the running game will need to be able to pound out hard yards against good pass defences.

The second, and biggest problem, is on defence. They are aggressive and mad keen to hit the QB, which is great, but they give up an awful lot of big plays, especially in the air, and you cannot give teams 40+ yard TD passes too often. With their aggression they tend to leave a lot of 1 on 1 matchups on the outside with cornerbacks, and they get burned a lot. If the pressure game is not causing bad throws, bad things happen to the Cards.

I'll be picking the Giants in Pick 'em, but I'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 20, 2008, 03:57:43 PM
Steelers look really good to me. What time will it be over at?

That will be over at about 4.45. Usually about 3 hours for a regular season game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2008, 04:06:50 PM
Mmmmm. A bit too late methinks. The Juice's plan is a good one but can't see myself getting to sleep if I hit the cot at 6 ish. A good option if there was a game i was REALLY mad to see.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2008, 04:10:01 PM
Its hard to faze Eli Manning though. (wouldnt have said that 3 years ago) He has to be sacked and stopping the Gaints running game will be no mean feat, I myself would dissagree with Dukes and Woodson. I think the Giants DL will find it easier to get to Warner than the vice versa
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 20, 2008, 09:35:09 PM
anyone know about getting tickets for the ny jets on the day out at meadowlands? i'm trying to get tickets for the jets/bills game on dec 14 but there are only crap tickets online. just wondering would there be any tickets for sale outside the ground on the day or is that a no no at nfl games...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2008, 09:53:42 PM
My brother was able to get them handy enough when they played Arizona at the start of October - might be a bit tougher now that they are in the thick of the playoff hunt
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 20, 2008, 10:22:16 PM
thanks gab, i think thats what i'll try. going to the game with my brother but tickets online are all high up at this stage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 22, 2008, 04:29:55 PM
Well, here's hoping the Ohio State University sticks it to that team up north today, with snow up to my oxters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
see ohio st v michigan got voted best rivalry in the states lately (think it was usa today). there will be over 100,000 people at it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 23, 2008, 12:31:21 AM
see ohio st v michigan got voted best rivalry in the states lately (think it was usa today). there will be over 100,000 people at it

Bit of a mis-match
Ohio 42
Michigan 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 23, 2008, 08:14:00 PM
Bretts Jets going well against the undefeated Titans
Would be a massive win if they hold on!
Farve threw his 500 TD aswell!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 23, 2008, 09:14:16 PM
Anyone got a decent stream for the raiders game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 23, 2008, 09:22:03 PM
Moss - holy b'jaysus.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 23, 2008, 09:44:13 PM
Owens with 213 yds receiving today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 23, 2008, 10:42:33 PM
what about them jets!! some lucky calls tho..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on November 23, 2008, 11:34:24 PM
The Giants are some team....no Jacobs and no Plaxico and still comfortable against Cardinals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 09:52:11 AM
How about them Falcons! What a win. It was do or die and we got it done. WE had a great first half but Carolina came out in the 2nd half and just marched unhindered up the field for a TD. Then gutsy call going into the "hurry-up" offence to regain momentum with Matt Ryan doing an excellent job at the controls. For me he has been the most impressive rookie QB I've ever seen in my years watching the game. He was able to change it up on the fly and make tough 3rd down plays. On the ground Michael Turner who has been the big difference this season kept the ball moving down field with some big plays and he's unstoppable in goal-line situations.

Carolina came back with a running TD from Jake Delhomme. On the way up the field JD was finding Steve Smith on almost every play. But thankfully the falcons kept ahead of their division rivals with another great drive by Ryan and Turner. Player of the game Douglas caught a pass and broke away only to be brought down inside the 5. Harry Douglas finished the game with 1 rushing TD, 92 recieving yards, 188 rushing yds and a TD on a punt return. That return broke Carolina spirits and the Falcons ran in another TD to make it look comfortable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 24, 2008, 12:43:59 PM
Matt Ryan is seriously impressive alright. He should be something special for years to come.

Bears back on track with an easy win against the brutal Rams. Huge challenges ahead though. Next week away to Minnesota is huge. A win there would set things up well with the Packers (c'mon New Orleans tonight!) to come to Soldier Field in December. Bears have struggled with Adrian Peterson so will obviously need to step up there but not leave the depleted secondary exposed. Orton broke a franchise record for consecutive pass attempts with no interceptions and while unspectacular isn't losing games as his predecessor did. Hester getting more involved on offense but his return game is gone to hell.

Giants look awesome. Their city rivals the Jets continue their good season. Favre is some boy but the supporting cast including Bears old boy Thomas Jones is not too bad either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 01:07:29 PM
The current play-off picture

AFC:
Home Field Advantage
1. Titans
2. Steelers

Divison Champs:
3. Jets
4. Bronco's

Wild Card:
5. Ravens
6. Patriots

Still in with a shot:
Bills
Colts
Dolphins

NFC:
Home Field Advantage
1. Giants
2. Buccaneers

Division Champs:
3. Cardinals
4. Bears

Wild Card:
5. Panthers
6. Redskins

Still in with a shot:
Falcons
Cowboys
Vikings
Eagles
Packers*
Saints*

*remove 1 after tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2008, 01:21:29 PM
The Eagles are gone I'd say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 01:40:14 PM
Yeah, on form  i would say they are, though not mathematically.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2008, 01:45:59 PM
Well that was a reality check for the Cardinals alright. I have to say though, reality is not that bad a place for them. They've definitely come on, but the reasons why they won't be a major force were there again.

When you play a good defence, Warner gets hit and his passes are naturally a bit off, but it was a credit to him, and the receivers, that they kept going. They scored more against the Giants than most teams will. The balance is not there though. Hightower getting 2 TDs is lovely, but when you are averaging less than 3 yards a carry, your passing offense is going to be much more dominant in terms of play calling than it should be, and good defenses can shut that down, and worse, hurt the QB.

On the Defensive side, I think it was glaringly obvious again that the blitz packages that leave the corners one v one need to get there. If they don't get there, then the corners are not good enough to defend man on man. Yeah, they'll get the odd pick, but too often they look completely lost and regularly get taken for 15-20-30-40 yard plays.

Still 7-4, and improving. It's a big ask to win in Philly on Thursday, because Philly is east of the Mississippi!!!, but it would be great to wrap up the division next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 24, 2008, 01:48:15 PM
Quote
Packers*
Saints*

*remove 1 after tonight
You couldnt rule out the packers even if they lose tonight. Would still only be 1 game behind.
Its win or bust for the saints tho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 24, 2008, 01:51:18 PM
Quote
Packers*
Saints*

*remove 1 after tonight
You couldnt rule out the packers even if they lose tonight. Would still only be 1 game behind.
Its win or bust for the saints tho.

Yeah. The Pack will still be in the hunt if they lose tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2008, 01:55:35 PM
Still 7-4, and improving. It's a big ask to win in Philly on Thursday, because Philly is east of the Mississippi!!!, but it would be great to wrap up the division next weekend.

Heard some stat yesterday - that teams in the west are 0-15 when they play in the EST time zone this season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 01:59:38 PM
By the way, what was the storey with the "unopposed kick" last night. Never heard of that rule before. It was a disaster anyway
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
You are allowed take a free kick at any time after a punt if the kick returner makes a 'fair catch' sign. It's basically the equivalent of a rugby penalty, but the kicker can't use a tee. Rackers bottled that actually, tried to hit it too hard, he can kick 60 or 70 yards no bother, but off a tee.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2008, 04:06:03 PM
the last successful one in the NFL was in 1968


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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 24, 2008, 07:41:06 PM
By the way, what was the storey with the "unopposed kick" last night. Never heard of that rule before. It was a disaster anyway

You are allowed take a free kick at any time after a punt if the kick returner makes a 'fair catch' sign. It's basically the equivalent of a rugby penalty, but the kicker can't use a tee. Rackers bottled that actually, tried to hit it too hard, he can kick 60 or 70 yards no bother, but off a tee.

explains it here.. about half way down the page
http://www.extremeskins.com/archive/index.php/t-139607.html

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 25, 2008, 12:01:52 PM
Well The Saints keep their chances alive last night with a great performance. Drew Brees threw for 329 yds. I think he is still on track to break Dan Marino's single season passing yds record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 25, 2008, 12:14:41 PM
Drew has 5 games left, has passed for 3,574 yds,

Dan finished 1984 with 5,084 yds.

Drew has to throw for more than 302 yds in each of the next 5 games to beat it.

Does anyone know how many games did Marino play in 84? It wasnt 16 was it? Which makes it all the more remarkable, much like Jerry Rices records
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2008, 12:20:23 PM
Marino would have played 16 games Juice. 16 Game season was introduced in late 70's (barring strike years obviously)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 25, 2008, 12:22:41 PM
What do ye reckon of cassells lads he has put just put back to back 400 yards passing games together something even brady hasn't done , he is a free agent at the end of the year, can ye see him staying there when brady comes back?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 25, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
I reckon Brees could do it so. They have Tampa Bay who he passed for 343 yds against already this season, then the Falcons who he passed for 400+ yds (still lost  ;D ), then the Bears who have been suspect on defense, then Detroit who I would imagine he'll put up numbers on and finally and crucially against Carolina (231 yds), which will probably have a huge impact on the play-off situation in the NFC South and will mostl likely decide if Brees breaks the record.

As for Matt Cassell, if they win the big one which isnt beyond them by any means he might stay, Brady could well be dropped if they think his knee is going to make him injury prone in the future, I would be surprised if both were still there next year. Most likely though Matt will go elsewhere
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 25, 2008, 04:01:47 PM
Brees could break the record, but the saints need to go 5-0 to have a chance at the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 25, 2008, 04:36:09 PM
From hearing Brees interview last night he is more interested in making the play offs than the record.

I reckon if the Saints go 5-0 they will win the division as they have 3 division games in there and the other
teams will take wins off each other.
A big ask and 22/1 with PP if you fancy it.
Cant see it myself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 25, 2008, 05:34:57 PM
From hearing Brees interview last night he is more interested in making the play offs than the record.

I reckon if the Saints go 5-0 they will win the division as they have 3 division games in there and the other
teams will take wins off each other.
A big ask and 22/1 with PP if you fancy it.
Cant see it myself.

Im sure he is more interested in making the play-offs. Im sure Dan Marino was thinking the same. I cant see them making it either. They might not beat any of the teams left on their schedule except for the Lions
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 25, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
If they protect Drew Brees like they did last night, and he throws the way hes thrown all season, and they get a bit of luck - they will do it.

Unfortunately only one of those three possibilities is an actuality.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 25, 2008, 05:59:47 PM
Well - if Deuce goes down to this suspension for the drug thing and Bush isn't fully fit - they'll have no choice but to throw the thing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 25, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
Marino would have played 16 games Juice. 16 Game season was introduced in late 70's (barring strike years obviously)

1978 was the first 16 game season....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2008, 02:28:22 PM
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