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Re: Paddy O'Rourke's comments on intercounty demands
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2018, 11:33:07 PM »
Meath are not the Meath of old and probably due to a lack of underage success for years and club football that has only improved recently. Basically Meath have to walk before they can run. Meaths aims should be to reach the super 8s and try to gain promotion to div one this spring. If the rest of the Meath players attitude was like O Rourkes "this is not worth it" then Meath will only stay where they are and make no progress at all.

The question remains does the toil match the reward? I think in every county bar Dublin the answer is a resounding no. Even the players involved now probably regularly ask themselves if what the IC game has become is worth it.

Is the toil less for a Dublin  player ??

No, but the benefits are greater. Accommodating employers, hi-tech training facilities ....not to mention much smaller travel distances (for the ones actually working).

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Re: Paddy O'Rourke's comments on intercounty demands
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2018, 11:51:37 PM »
Lar the Tommy Murphy was a TOURNAMENT for teams from lower League divisions who had already been knocked out of Provincial and All Ireland Championships.
That 1984 thingy was  TOURNAMENT too.
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Re: Paddy O'Rourke's comments on intercounty demands
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2018, 07:51:14 AM »
Trileacman I'm wondering who's the 4th BIG in Leinster?
There's Dublin, Meath, Kildare and.....?

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Re: Paddy O'Rourke's comments on intercounty demands
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2018, 09:42:05 AM »
No doubt Corporate Park are pushing for the development of an elite level; eight teams playing round robin. But they have to be seen to as concerned with the remaining counties hence the different tiers.
On the other hand there is lip service to the club.
When are we going to stop deluding ourselves?

If the club is so important how can additional inter county fixtures allow for a meaningful programme of club games - where county players take part?

We cannot have more inter matches full stop.

People at the top need to cry halt and rebalance the club - county divide.

The 4 divisions of the NFL are really working very well BUT that doesn't mean that we need a 2ND 'NFL' DRESSED UP AS A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! Counties will get sick of playing each other - and that is why the bottom 16 do not want it.
Why do we keep trying to invent new competitions?
If we are serious about treating club players with respect we should pull back the inter county programme. people say that can't be done - of course it can.
The qualifiers, tiered championships, league championship suit the stronger outfits. They will continue to dominate.

If the league was marketed better, played in better weather it's status would improve, attendances would rocket. It would become a much more important and prestigious competition.
If it was played alongside a knockout championship players like Paddy O Rourke would have greater incentive - knock Dublin or Kerry or Mayo out and they are out! On any given day that could happen.

End result is we have less inter county competition - but greater quality and more competitive; a restricted season that reduces the advantage of the financially richer counties and brings hope back to all county squads.

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Re: Paddy O'Rourke's comments on intercounty demands
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2018, 10:06:55 AM »
Trileacman I'm wondering who's the 4th BIG in Leinster?
There's Dublin, Meath, Kildare and.....?
has to be Westmeath at the mo
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Re: Paddy O'Rourke's comments on intercounty demands
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2018, 11:03:34 AM »
No doubt Corporate Park are pushing for the development of an elite level; eight teams playing round robin. But they have to be seen to as concerned with the remaining counties hence the different tiers.
On the other hand there is lip service to the club.
When are we going to stop deluding ourselves?

If the club is so important how can additional inter county fixtures allow for a meaningful programme of club games - where county players take part?

We cannot have more inter matches full stop.

People at the top need to cry halt and rebalance the club - county divide.

The 4 divisions of the NFL are really working very well BUT that doesn't mean that we need a 2ND 'NFL' DRESSED UP AS A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! Counties will get sick of playing each other - and that is why the bottom 16 do not want it.
Why do we keep trying to invent new competitions?
If we are serious about treating club players with respect we should pull back the inter county programme. people say that can't be done - of course it can.
The qualifiers, tiered championships, league championship suit the stronger outfits. They will continue to dominate.

If the league was marketed better, played in better weather it's status would improve, attendances would rocket. It would become a much more important and prestigious competition.
If it was played alongside a knockout championship players like Paddy O Rourke would have greater incentive - knock Dublin or Kerry or Mayo out and they are out! On any given day that could happen.

End result is we have less inter county competition - but greater quality and more competitive; a restricted season that reduces the advantage of the financially richer counties and brings hope back to all county squads.
I don't understand the first half of your post.

Where are you getting the eight-team round robin thing from?  And the "different tiers"? You seem to be saying that Croke Park want this, yet they haven't pushed for it. And many people criticise them for not doing it, but you would criticise them for doing it, even though they aren't? How can they win?

There are additional intercounty fixtures but the time taken to complete the AI series, and the league, has been shortened. So what's the relevance of this point?

Counties will get sick of playing each other yet the provincials have survived this far with groups of nine, seven, six and eleven?

I'm not saying your overall view is wrong but I'm not sure where you're going with some of your specific points.

Already this thread has shown the problem that all the other similar threads show; there are a huge variety of opinions on how the intercounty season should look, in conjunction with the club calendar, and therefore it is near impossible to solve it. The only thing we can agree on is that it's Croke Park's fault and definitely not the county boards and club representatives at those boards' meetings.
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Re: Paddy O'Rourke's comments on intercounty demands
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2018, 11:12:44 AM »
Indeed its all Croke Parks fault while the poor dekegates to Conventions and Congresses arent allowed vot at all!!!
Ah sure nothing like a good rant!!
I wonder how Paddy O'Rourke's and other teams will "knock Kerry Mayo or Dublin out"  in whatever competition Give and go is proposing? If there are only 3 top teams miles ahead of the rest then they'll dominate anyway.
Does he or she seriously expect Meath or the equivalent to win the AI if you reduce the number of Co games and have more club games?
Does he propose having more club competitions?


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Re: Paddy O'Rourke's comments on intercounty demands
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2018, 12:58:59 PM »
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The 4 divisions of the NFL are really working very well BUT that doesn't mean that we need a 2ND 'NFL' DRESSED UP AS A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

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The qualifiers, tiered championships, league championship suit the stronger outfits. They will continue to dominate.

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If the league was marketed better, played in better weather it's status would improve, attendances would rocket. It would become a much more important and prestigious competition.

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If it was played alongside a knockout championship players like Paddy O Rourke would have greater incentive

All good points.