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Title: Football All stars 2021
Post by: hoynevalley on August 17, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: WhoDat on August 17, 2021, 07:49:04 AM
if mayo win the final and o'hora has a big game, he will get player of the year, imo. likewise, could be keegan if he has a big final. he was the best player on the pitch last weekend.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: toby47 on August 17, 2021, 08:12:47 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Lee Keegan would be incredibly unlucky to miss out on an all star this year
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: MayoBuck on August 17, 2021, 08:14:29 AM
David Clifford doesn't warrant one on performances so far, but his brother does
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Onthe40 on August 17, 2021, 09:26:37 AM
mccurry quietist v Monaghan

would need a big game v Kerry to be in the reckoning
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: rosnarun on August 17, 2021, 09:45:50 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Lee Keegan would be incredibly unlucky to miss out on an all star this year

Last Sunday was the first reak day to start looking at all start as probably 13 or so of them will come from the Last 4 so theres plenty of tiem any Kerry or tyrone players to make it.
2 good Games from Clifford now and he will be Player of the year dispite  Middling for till now .
I wonder does young player of the year  ahve to come from the seniors . Hession may i think would be our only contender gewise and that would be mainly based on a half a game or do untill now as he was sinding his feet in the other matches.
Jack byrant  or cormac egan would be worthy winners
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: MayoBuck on August 17, 2021, 10:05:27 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Lee Keegan would be incredibly unlucky to miss out on an all star this year

Last Sunday was the first reak day to start looking at all start as probably 13 or so of them will come from the Last 4 so theres plenty of tiem any Kerry or tyrone players to make it.
2 good Games from Clifford now and he will be Player of the year dispite  Middling for till now .
I wonder does young player of the year  ahve to come from the seniors . Hession may i think would be our only contender gewise and that would be mainly based on a half a game or do untill now as he was sinding his feet in the other matches.
Jack byrant  or cormac egan would be worthy winners

Oisín Mullin is still eligible for young player of the year. You have to be U21
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:10:11 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Paudie Clifford has been POTY this year so far with Sean O'Shea behind him. Keegan is well above Coen. However the AI final will largely decide these.

Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: 5times5times on August 17, 2021, 10:43:58 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Paudie Clifford has been POTY this year so far with Sean O'Shea behind him. Keegan is well above Coen. However the AI final will largely decide these.

2 POTY candidates, who have only had to beat 1x team now in Div4, 1x team still in Div2, 1x team who were in a relegation playoff for Div 3......

Whereas tyrone had Cavan (albeit now in Div 4 too), donegal then monaghan.....
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2021, 10:50:03 AM
McCurry definitely up there but will need to push on in the last two games (If they get 2). He’s always had a * beside his name about whether he can do it in the biggest games. No better opportunity than Kerry in a Semi final. He’s been excellent this year, much more consistent than previous years. Think he’ll have done enough for an All Star as Semi finalists usually get 1, but POTY for me at the minute is Ruane.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: WhoDat on August 17, 2021, 11:12:09 AM
i wouldn't have anyone from kerry in contention for player of the year right now. they've played no one.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Estimator on August 17, 2021, 11:12:44 AM
PP POTY odds at the minute have Mattie Donnelly at 20/1 and McCurry at 33/1.
Current list of favourites
Sean O'Shea
P Clifford
D Clifford
R O'Donoghue
P O'Hora
T Conroy/M Ruane/L Keegan All 3 are 10/1
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: hoynevalley on August 17, 2021, 02:52:52 PM
PP POTY odds at the minute have Mattie Donnelly at 20/1 and McCurry at 33/1.
Current list of favourites
Sean O'Shea
P Clifford
D Clifford
R O'Donoghue
P O'Hora
T Conroy/M Ruane/L Keegan All 3 are 10/1

Ruane would be great. Stood when chips down against Galway and one of many to step up against Dublin. 
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Armagh18 on August 17, 2021, 03:02:17 PM
Loads of Mayo lads there on Saturday put their hands up for all stars, O’Hora, Keegan and Ruane obviously, Hennelly as well. McCurry from Tyrone deserves one as well on the year so far as does Paudie Clifford. I wonder how many Dubs will win an all star?

From an Armagh perspective, would expect Rian O’Neill to be nailed on for a nomination.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Estimator on August 29, 2021, 09:59:44 AM
PP POTY odds at the minute have Mattie Donnelly at 20/1 and McCurry at 33/1.
Current list of favourites
Sean O'Shea
P Clifford
D Clifford
R O'Donoghue
P O'Hora
T Conroy/M Ruane/L Keegan All 3 are 10/1

McGeary has jumped to the top of the betting (on one site) for POTY - 11/4.

From a Kerry perspective the two lads who were top of the betting prior to the game (O'Shea and P Clifford) could now be under pressure to actually win an All-Star. D Clifford looks like the only Kerry forward that will definitely pick up an award. O'Sullivan probably the only Kerry defender.

The way this things are, if McShane has a big final, he'll definitely win one as well.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Can any Kerry players seriously be considered for an all star outside of Clifford? They bate nobody. One game they were asked to turn up and they didn’t. Hard to make a case for any of them really.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on August 29, 2021, 11:01:24 AM
Can any Kerry players seriously be considered for an all star outside of Clifford? They bate nobody. One game they were asked to turn up and they didn’t. Hard to make a case for any of them really.

No.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: yellowcard on August 30, 2021, 06:57:06 PM
Definites: McGeary, Ruane, Meyler
Probables: Hampsey, O’Hora, Donnelly
Token Kerry: Clifford
Token Dublin: Kilkenny
Outside chances: Fitzsimmons, Tom O’Sullivan, White, P Clifford & Sean O’Shea

The rest to be decided based on AI final performance.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 07:24:53 PM
Is this based on current odds? From a Tyrone point of view I'd have Hampsey slightly above Meyler and Mccurry ahead of Donnelly. All depends on the position switching too I suppose.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: knockitdown on August 30, 2021, 07:27:46 PM
Hard to pick a goalkeeper
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: hoynevalley on August 30, 2021, 07:55:17 PM
Hard to pick a goalkeeper

Robert Hennelly .Morgan played himself out of team Saturday.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 08:03:59 PM
It's a strange one as I see Morgan is at 20/1 for player of the year but Hennelly isn't listed. I can't see odds for all-star. It kind of makes sense though as Morgan s unpredictable and could play a blinder and be the match winner in the final whereas hennelly is more solid and looks safer for an all-star.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 03, 2021, 03:36:12 AM
It's a strange one as I see Morgan is at 20/1 for player of the year but Hennelly isn't listed. I can't see odds for all-star. It kind of makes sense though as Morgan s unpredictable and could play a blinder and be the match winner in the final whereas hennelly is more solid and looks safer for an all-star.

I had a similar thought re: Morgan. He could be the winning or the losing of the game
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on September 11, 2021, 09:33:21 PM
Morgan a certainty now I would suspect.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Estimator on September 11, 2021, 09:47:57 PM
Not too many Mayo men put their hand up for one today.
Morgan, McNamee, Hampsey, McGeary, Harte, Meyler, McCurry and McKenna all enhanced their chances. Outside chance for McShane despite not starting a C'ship game this year.
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Estimator on September 12, 2021, 09:02:31 AM
Sunday game team of the year:

GOALKEEPER
Niall Morgan - Tyrone

BACKS
Paddy Durcan - Mayo

Lee Keegan - Mayo

Padraig Hampsey - Tyrone

Niall Sludden - Tyrone

Kieran McGeary - Tyrone

Peter Harte - Tyrone

MIDFIELD
Matthew Ruane - Mayo

Conn Kilpatrick - Tyrone

FORWARDS
Conor Meyler - Tyrone

Paudie Clifford - Kerry

Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin

Darren McCurry - Tyrone

David Clifford - Kerry

Tommy Conroy - Mayo
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 13, 2021, 04:18:32 PM
Paudie Clifford certainly shouldn't be getting an All Star for his performances against second rate opposition in Cork & Tipp, would be ridiculous.

Title: Football allstars 2021
Post by: seafoid on September 13, 2021, 05:29:17 PM
Discuss

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1436823315901988864
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Estimator on September 13, 2021, 09:47:13 PM
Discuss:

https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30553/12406419/gaelic-football-team-of-the-year-2021-all-star-15-for-the-championship-season-as-tyrone-claim-all-ireland-title
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on September 13, 2021, 09:56:56 PM
Similar picks for RTE and Sky. Generous awards for Kilpatrick  and Flynn IMO. Plenty of others in contention but they can only pick 15 I suppose.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Jayop on September 13, 2021, 11:30:05 PM
I dont think McShane will get one but would he be the first man to get one without starting a game all championship???
Title: Re: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 12:16:48 AM
Sunday game team of the year:

GOALKEEPER
Niall Morgan - Tyrone

BACKS
Paddy Durcan - Mayo

Lee Keegan - Mayo

Padraig Hampsey - Tyrone

Niall Sludden - Tyrone

Kieran McGeary - Tyrone

Peter Harte - Tyrone

MIDFIELD
Matthew Ruane - Mayo

Conn Kilpatrick - Tyrone

FORWARDS
Conor Meyler - Tyrone

Paudie Clifford - Kerry

Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin

Darren McCurry - Tyrone

David Clifford - Kerry

Tommy Conroy - Mayo
The certainties there for me would be
Morgan
Keegan
Hampsey
McGeary
Ruane
Meyler
Clifford
Clifford
McCurry
Conroy

Ryan O'Donoghue would be a much more deserving recipient than Ciaran Kilkenny.

Fenton or Moran instead of Kilpatrick. Kilpatrick had a good final but I actually thought Kennedy was better in his time on the pitch.

I think Meyler would be the Tyrone man to move back into the defence rather than Sludden.

Think O'Hora still deserves one. Not sure about Durcan.

Harte probably just about deserves one.

Frank Burns wouldn't be a million miles off, nor McNamee or McKernan.

Mick Fitzsimons won't get one but was Dublin's best back.



Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Hound on September 14, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 09:36:38 AM
Ruane shouldn’t be considered.

Fantastic player. But he was blown away in the final.

It’s kind of refreshing this year that an absence of marquee forwards might see a half forward picked at full forward, and a half back picked at half forward. I doubt this has ever happened before - it usually works the other way.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
Kilpatrick had a good final but All Stars should be handed out on merit for performances over the course of the season and not simply on the basis of one good match. Too much weight is given over to the semi final and final performances when the reality is that by that stage certain top players are targeted by the opposition in order to try to blot them out of the match. How often have we seen some of the perceived lesser lights then benefit from this in an All Ireland final.

On the same basis I would have no problem if Daniel Flynn received an award but I don't think that he will.

Otherwise I think that both the RTE and Sky selections would be not very far off the final team.   
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 14, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Thats harsh on Conroy, had great moments in the games against Galway, Dublin & Tyrone. I certainly think he deserves an All Star. I can't make a case for anyone getting one ahead of Conroy, Clifford & McCurry.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Thats harsh on Conroy, had great moments in the games against Galway, Dublin & Tyrone. I certainly think he deserves an All Star. I can't make a case for anyone getting one ahead of Conroy, Clifford & McCurry.
What did he score against Tyrone and Kerry? 2 points in each game? As much as I rate him and love watching him, that’s not a good enough return for an all star standard inside forward. He also messed up the goal chance against Tyrone, McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: shark on September 14, 2021, 10:25:23 AM
Kilpatrick had a good final but All Stars should be handed out on merit for performances over the course of the season and not simply on the basis of one good match. Too much weight is given over to the semi final and final performances when the reality is that by that stage certain top players are targeted by the opposition in order to try to blot them out of the match. How often have we seen some of the perceived lesser lights then benefit from this in an All Ireland final.

On the same basis I would have no problem if Daniel Flynn received an award but I don't think that he will.

Otherwise I think that both the RTE and Sky selections would be not very far off the final team.

It's such a short season though when there is no backdoor. If there are any Kerry players involved in the conversation then surely Kildare and Donegal would have some too, seeing as they also won 2 out of 3 games played, beating 2 mid level teams each - the same as Kerry.
It's a nice enough thing for the players to win an all star I'm sure. But it's an individual award, where the ability to win the award is based on a collective effort enabling the eventual individual winners to play more games than non-winners. If Mayo had played Tyrone in the first round they'd probably get zero.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 10:40:04 AM
Kilpatrick had a good final but All Stars should be handed out on merit for performances over the course of the season and not simply on the basis of one good match. Too much weight is given over to the semi final and final performances when the reality is that by that stage certain top players are targeted by the opposition in order to try to blot them out of the match. How often have we seen some of the perceived lesser lights then benefit from this in an All Ireland final.

On the same basis I would have no problem if Daniel Flynn received an award but I don't think that he will.

Otherwise I think that both the RTE and Sky selections would be not very far off the final team.

It's such a short season though when there is no backdoor. If there are any Kerry players involved in the conversation then surely Kildare and Donegal would have some too, seeing as they also won 2 out of 3 games played, beating 2 mid level teams each - the same as Kerry.
It's a nice enough thing for the players to win an all star I'm sure. But it's an individual award, where the ability to win the award is based on a collective effort enabling the eventual individual winners to play more games than non-winners. If Mayo had played Tyrone in the first round they'd probably get zero.

I think you have to take League form into account given the nature of the shortened season. For me Kerry played the best football out of any side this season, it was reminiscent of the Dubs in 2014 when they went Harlem Globetrotters style and got caught in a semi final with one below par performance. I don't think either Donegal or Kildare players come close to the level of some of the individual performance that Kerry produced over the course of the season. I know people will say it is only the League but it still remains the best barometer of a teams overall level especially in a season of straight knockout football. Plus it was played in mid spring/early summer just prior to the championship beginning so it was taken seriously by every county. I have no problem with 2 Cliffords being selected, they were both easily among the top 6 forwards over the full course of the season. Same with Daniel Flynn although I don't think he will get selected. It probably will be Conroy.     
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 10:53:51 AM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.
He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 14, 2021, 10:57:04 AM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.
He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.

Skill wise at the minute he's been limited but his contributions in both games have been massive, do you win an All star based on that?
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 14, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
As a Tyrone man, I don’t think McShane deserves one. McCurry and Meyler are nailed on and prop both in contention for the POTY. Sludden would be my next option and he’s a maybe. None of the rest in the reckoning given some of the other displays.
In defence, Morgan, Hampsey, McNamee, Harte and McGeary I think will get ones. This is where our strength lies.
If Conn gets one in midfield he’ll be blessed. Good final and solid but unspectacular for the rest of the games. Might say more about a lack of midfield talent this year. Ruane only one stood out for me.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 11:59:57 AM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.
He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.
It’s moments like that that win all irelands. He scored what, 1-3 off the bench in the semi? He probably won’t win one but is in with a shout.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 14, 2021, 12:11:40 PM
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Thats harsh on Conroy, had great moments in the games against Galway, Dublin & Tyrone. I certainly think he deserves an All Star. I can't make a case for anyone getting one ahead of Conroy, Clifford & McCurry.
What did he score against Tyrone and Kerry? 2 points in each game? As much as I rate him and love watching him, that’s not a good enough return for an all star standard inside forward. He also messed up the goal chance against Tyrone, McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

Conroy got 0-3 against Galway, 0-3 against Dublin and 0-2 against Tyrone all from play.

McShane certainly has had a huge impact and can see why you'd mention him but apart from him I don't see anyone else in the running. Flynn is top class but he can't get one based on one good game against Dublin, some might say that's all Clifford did but his performance was spectacular against Tyrone and a level above Flynn's.

I don't see anyone else in the running.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 12:19:15 PM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.
He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.
It’s moments like that that win all irelands. He scored what, 1-3 off the bench in the semi? He probably won’t win one but is in with a shout.
Kevin McManamon made consistently greater contributions off the bench and never got within an arse's roar of an All-Star.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 12:34:14 PM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.
He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.
It’s moments like that that win all irelands. He scored what, 1-3 off the bench in the semi? He probably won’t win one but is in with a shout.
Kevin McManamon made consistently greater contributions off the bench and never got within an arse's roar of an All-Star.
True, but this year there’s probably not that many inside forwards who really stood out bar McCurry and Clifford. None of the Dublin lads deserve one, I suppose McCarron and McManus had good performances as did Flynn for Kildare. That last spot is probably between Flynn and Conroy with O’Donoughue and McShane with outside shouts. 
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 14, 2021, 01:14:13 PM
Way more games in those years though.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: rrhf on September 14, 2021, 01:42:33 PM
From a Tyrone perspective: Morgan, Harte, Hampsey, Mc Geary, Meyler and Mc Curry have all legitimate claims to player of the year and are nailed on all stars.  Sludden, Mc Namee, Mc Kernan are nailed on all stars, Donnelly, Burns and Mc Kenna will be very close and possibly Kilpatrick would be in with a  very decent shout.. This year those first 10 or 11 have been consistently excellent in all Tyrone's championship games. 
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: ONeill on September 14, 2021, 10:40:59 PM
I think you can justify Tyrone getting 1-7 but I don't think they'll do that. Unless they move a couple of them to the HF line.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 06:36:32 AM
I think you can justify Tyrone getting 1-7 but I don't think they'll do that. Unless they move a couple of them to the HF line.
Lee Keegan is nailed on
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: ardtole on September 15, 2021, 07:56:01 AM
Lee Keegan would be my player of the year. Was mayo's best player v Tyrone, was sky motm v Dublin. Superb all round player.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 08:07:49 AM
Keegan a cert and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 09:13:13 AM
Lee Keegan would be my player of the year. Was mayo's best player v Tyrone, was sky motm v Dublin. Superb all round player.
He’s probably mine as well. Could well win it if 2 of Morgan/Hampsey/McCurry/Meyler/McGeary get nominated alongside him.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: rodney trotter on September 15, 2021, 09:33:21 AM
Keegan was back to his best this year. He had a few injuries which were affecting his performance for a while.
In line for his 5th All Star.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Cobra on September 15, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
It is hard to overlook McGeary as POTY. However when Tyrone do win an AI they do there best not to select Tyrone players for this award.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: TabClear on September 15, 2021, 09:48:08 AM
It is hard to overlook McGeary as POTY. However when Tyrone do win an AI they do there best not to select Tyrone players for this award.

I would be in the Meyler camp for POTY. I think he has been absolutely outstanding all year on some difficult opponents but he will probably just miss out to McGeary. I think Meyler is Mr Consistent whereas McGeary has more "highlight" moments in matches terms of scores etc and this  will probably see him just edge it
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 15, 2021, 09:51:48 AM
Lee Keegan would be my player of the year. Was mayo's best player v Tyrone, was sky motm v Dublin. Superb all round player.

Keegan was poor enough against Galway and didn't play particularly well against Dublin for the first 45 minutes either. He was excellent since though, he doesn't deserve to player of the year. What a player though one of Mayo's best players in the 7 finals including the replay; The best player I've seen for Mayo.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 09:54:51 AM
Keegan was back to his best this year. He had a few injuries which were affecting his performance for a while.
In line for his 5th All Star.
Honestly thought when Con O’Callaghan was roasting him a couple of years back Keegan was finished. He has certainly proved me wrong since, one of my favourite players ever.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: CK_Redhand on September 15, 2021, 10:13:56 AM
It is hard to overlook McGeary as POTY. However when Tyrone do win an AI they do there best not to select Tyrone players for this award.
McDonnell 03. Canavan could have gotten it. Oneill and cavanagh 05 and 08. While the personal accolades are nice, I'm sure the players aren't too worried.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 15, 2021, 10:31:13 AM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: JoG2 on September 15, 2021, 10:51:53 AM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

 ;D
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: yellowcard on September 15, 2021, 11:11:40 AM
I think McGeary deserves it in front of Meyler. It will be interesting though if one Mayo and two Tyrone get nominated. Mayo benefited from this before when 2 Dubs and 1 Mayo were nominated and the Mayo players (Keegan & Moran) won since I think it was decided by player votes.   
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 11:16:49 AM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: sid waddell on September 15, 2021, 11:34:36 AM
Keegan was back to his best this year. He had a few injuries which were affecting his performance for a while.
In line for his 5th All Star.
Lee Keegan is not just the greatest footballer never to win an All-Ireland, he's one of the greatest footballers ever to play the game.

If the GAA were doing an update of their Teams of the Century/Millennium, he'd walk into the number 5 jersey. A decade ago I'd have said the same about Tomás O'Se, but Keegan has surpassed him, and his contemporary James McCarthy, who is also not a bad footballer at all at all.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: LeoMc on September 15, 2021, 12:52:08 PM
It is hard to overlook McGeary as POTY. However when Tyrone do win an AI they do there best not to select Tyrone players for this award.
Apart from ONeill and Cavanagh!
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 12:59:17 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.
Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him. 
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: RedHand88 on September 15, 2021, 01:01:23 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.
Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him.

I thought P Clifford was very good until the Tyrone game.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 01:04:20 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.
Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him.

I thought P Clifford was very good until the Tyrone game.
Yeah he was class up until he met a decent team…
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 15, 2021, 01:53:40 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.
Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him.

I thought P Clifford was very good until the Tyrone game.

Can you really give someone an All Star based on performances against Tipp & Cork.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 02:22:24 PM
I know Kerry tanked cork and cork are not the power they were but they’d have put it up to a good few teams. They played Clare too.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2021
Post by: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 02:39:47 PM
I know Kerry tanked cork and cork are not the power they were but they’d have put it up to a good few teams. They played Clare too.
Munster this year was like Leinster most years-decent teams shite the bed against the big boys.