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Title: Football All stars 2020
Post by: seafoid on January 15, 2021, 10:04:03 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-dominate-football-all-star-nominations-with-13-1.4458681

Dublin dominate football All Star nominations with 13
Brian Fenton, Ciaran Kilkenny and Cillian O’Connor on Footballer of the Year shortlist
about 3 hours ago
Ian O'Riordan

There is one less county represented than last year and another worthy 13 again for Dublin, with Cavan and Tipperary also taking a special share of nominations for the 2020 All Star football team.

Players from 10 counties are represented (one less than 2019), Dublin’s 13 nominations (the same as last year) among the 45-strong shortlist reflecting their record sixth successive All-Ireland win, with players nominated throughout every area of the pitch.

Sponsored by PwC and presented by the GAA in association with the Gaelic Players Association (GPA), beaten finalists Mayo are next with 12 contenders for the outright All Star team: it is intended that a televised presentation of the 2020 All Star awards will take place late next month, in line with Covid-19 restrictions.

After winning a first Ulster title since 1997, Cavan have been rewarded with seven nominations, including their inspirational goalkeeper Raymond Galligan, who helped seal the first round Ulster win over Monaghan, and also veteran midfielder Gearóid McKiernan. Cavan’s only previous All Star football winners were Ollie Brady (1978) and Dermot McCabe (1997).


Tipperary’s memorable march to a first Munster senior football title since 1935 is also reflected in four nominations for defenders Kevin Fahy and Bill Maher, with Colin O’Riordan among the midfield contenders and captain Conor Sweeney named among the forward contenders. Their last All Star in football was Michael Quinlivan in 2016.

Iain Corbett’s standout exploits for Limerick in their league and championship displays in 2020 is honoured with an inclusion among the 18 top defenders - a nomination for the county footballers for the first time since John Galvin in 2010. There are three nominations for Ulster finalists Donegal, two for Galway and with Armagh’s Aidan Forker, Cork midfielder Ian Maguire and Kerry attacker David Clifford also included.


Dublin’s Brian Fenton and Ciaran Kilkenny are joined by Mayo forward Cillian O’Connor in the shortlist for the Footballer of the Year Award, which will be chosen by their peers. For Fenton, the 2018 winner, it’s the chance to match Trevor Giles from Meath, the only other player to win the award twice (in 1996 and 1999), Fenton also in line to collect his fifth All Star. Last year’s footballer of the year Stephen Cluxton is in line to win his seventh award.


The vote for the Young Footballer of the Year Award will be an all-Mayo affair, with emerging stars Oisín Mullin (Kilmaine), Eoghan McLaughlin (Westport) and Tommy Conroy (the Neale) shortlisted.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Maroon Manc on January 15, 2021, 10:05:16 AM
How does Clifford get a nomination?
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Rossfan on January 15, 2021, 10:08:25 AM
I'd hoped Covid had out an end to this annual farce.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: toby47 on January 15, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2021, 11:04:25 AM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly

League performances. Cork and Dublin have dominated the league for the last 10/11 years but before that the league winners got a token nomination as a matter of course and they were more than token nominations before the backdoor was introduced, players actually got All Stars based on the league.

Doesn't make sense if the likes of Paul Conroy is also getting nominated.

McCurry much more worthy of a nomination than either of those two for me.

Clifford had a howler against Cork and Conroy barely played any league and just one Championship game. McCurry was Tyrone's best player against Donegal and their best player int the league.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2021, 11:39:53 AM
Bar Clifford, who probably had a good league season, his championship performance wouldn't have been his best performance.

Can't argue too much with the rest, the best teams of the year got some reps in

Usually the league isn't really the main driver in these nominations, but with games going to knockout, its bound to have a say in some.



Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2021, 11:52:29 AM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly

League performances. Cork and Dublin have dominated the league for the last 10/11 years but before that the league winners got a token nomination as a matter of course and they were more than token nominations before the backdoor was introduced, players actually got All Stars based on the league.

Doesn't make sense if the likes of Paul Conroy is also getting nominated.

McCurry much more worthy of a nomination than either of those two for me.

Clifford had a howler against Cork and Conroy barely played any league and just one Championship game. McCurry was Tyrone's best player against Donegal and their best player int the league.
Take it up with the selection committee, I'm talking about Clifford and only stating the fact that the League winners always get at least 1 nominee and it wasn't unusual for them to get a spot in the team before the back door.

I'm saying the logic doens't really stack up. You're saying it does?
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: J70 on January 15, 2021, 11:55:22 AM
From a Donegal perspective, its nice to see Peader Mogan get get recognized for his promise so early in his career, but the complete systems failure in the Ulster final left such a bitter taste in the mouth, I'm almost embarrassed we've got three nominations (nothing against Langan and Thompson who also played well in the other two games).

Shouldn't be a non-Cavan Ulster man anywhere near an All Star 15 this year.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2021, 12:01:51 PM
From a Donegal perspective, its nice to see Peader Mogan get get recognized for his promise so early in his career, but the complete systems failure in the Ulster final left such a bitter taste in the mouth, I'm almost embarrassed we've got three nominations (nothing against Langan and Thompson who also played well in the other two games).

Shouldn't be a non-Cavan Ulster man anywhere near an All Star 15 this year.

There won't be anyone outside the provincial winners getting one. Galway played one game, Cork were awful, Meath got hockeyed. Donegal have a few deserved nominees but won't get one.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: dublin7 on January 15, 2021, 12:19:23 PM
Ciaran Kilkenny should win POTY but Cillian O'Connor is a good bet to win it. Fenton and Kilkenny will split the votes and COC as the only non dub could benefit
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: tonto1888 on January 15, 2021, 01:06:37 PM
Good to see Forker getting a nomination
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Taylor on January 15, 2021, 01:28:28 PM
Ciaran Kilkenny should win POTY but Cillian O'Connor is a good bet to win it. Fenton and Kilkenny will split the votes and COC as the only non dub could benefit

In fairness COC deserves it.

His performance in the semi final was as good a performance for many a year.

Fenton a very close second
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2021, 01:43:12 PM
Ciaran Kilkenny should win POTY but Cillian O'Connor is a good bet to win it. Fenton and Kilkenny will split the votes and COC as the only non dub could benefit

In fairness COC deserves it.

His performance in the semi final was as good a performance for many a year.

Fenton a very close second

Performances against a Div 3 Tipp side really stick out alright.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2021, 02:31:26 PM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly

League performances. Cork and Dublin have dominated the league for the last 10/11 years but before that the league winners got a token nomination as a matter of course and they were more than token nominations before the backdoor was introduced, players actually got All Stars based on the league.

Doesn't make sense if the likes of Paul Conroy is also getting nominated.

McCurry much more worthy of a nomination than either of those two for me.

Clifford had a howler against Cork and Conroy barely played any league and just one Championship game. McCurry was Tyrone's best player against Donegal and their best player int the league.

Galway just didn't have the games after the Sligo game was cancelled. Conroy was excellent against Mayo but Galway were gone after one game. He was probably man of the match against Dublin in the final league game. Only had the one championship match which is a pity as he really was at the top of his game in the latter half of the year. Especially coming off a double leg break.

Ultimately two great displays against both the All-Ireland finalists late in the year got him the nod. And in this abbreviated season that was probably enough.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 15, 2021, 02:33:18 PM
I think Cavan will get 3 maximum.

Galligan is a cert in goals I think
Thomas Galligan interestingly nominated as a forward but I think he will make it
Then one of either Padraig Faulkner or Ciaran Holla Brady

Very odd to see Clifford get nominated
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2021, 02:35:51 PM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly

League performances. Cork and Dublin have dominated the league for the last 10/11 years but before that the league winners got a token nomination as a matter of course and they were more than token nominations before the backdoor was introduced, players actually got All Stars based on the league.

Doesn't make sense if the likes of Paul Conroy is also getting nominated.

McCurry much more worthy of a nomination than either of those two for me.

Clifford had a howler against Cork and Conroy barely played any league and just one Championship game. McCurry was Tyrone's best player against Donegal and their best player int the league.

Galway just didn't have the games after the Sligo game was cancelled. Conroy was excellent against Mayo but Galway were gone after one game. He was probably man of the match against Dublin in the final league game. Only had the one championship match which is a pity as he really was at the top of his game in the latter half of the year. Especially coming off a double leg break.

The league game was a dead rubber.

So he effectively gets an all star nomination for one decent game in the year. How many league games did he play?

I think it's a very dubious nomination. At least with Walsh you can say ok, he had a decent league campaign if that's the criteria.

If league form is a factor then certain players can feel very hard done by to be left out.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Estimator on January 15, 2021, 02:57:22 PM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly

League performances. Cork and Dublin have dominated the league for the last 10/11 years but before that the league winners got a token nomination as a matter of course and they were more than token nominations before the backdoor was introduced, players actually got All Stars based on the league.

Doesn't make sense if the likes of Paul Conroy is also getting nominated.

McCurry much more worthy of a nomination than either of those two for me.

Clifford had a howler against Cork and Conroy barely played any league and just one Championship game. McCurry was Tyrone's best player against Donegal and their best player int the league.

Angelo, you've some obsession with Darren McCurry..

Decided to have a look at his league and C'Ship stats* and be I'd be very worried if you think that he deserves a nomination. Yeah, he scored his fair share of frees, but we know from your opinion on C O'C, that's just stat padding. 

Three times he was held scoreless from play in the NFL, he totalled 1-5 from play in 7 games.

In the C'Ship he was taken off after 50mins. In fairness, it was a surprise that he was taken off given the fact that he'd scored twice from play for the first time since the opening round of the league.

Div 1 - NFL
1-6 (total) v Meath 1-2 (from play)
0-3 v Monaghan 0-0
0-6 v Kerry 0-1
0-7 v Galway 0-1
0-1 v Dublin 0-0
1-1 v Donegal 0-0
0-4 v Mayo 0-1

Total: 2-28
Play: 1-05
Deadball: 1-23

C'ship
0-3 v Donegal 0-2

*You might want to check these in case I made a mistake somewhere.

I also have Conroy scoring more from play in less games in league as well as scoring more from play in their one C'Ship game.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2021, 03:01:57 PM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly

League performances. Cork and Dublin have dominated the league for the last 10/11 years but before that the league winners got a token nomination as a matter of course and they were more than token nominations before the backdoor was introduced, players actually got All Stars based on the league.

Doesn't make sense if the likes of Paul Conroy is also getting nominated.

McCurry much more worthy of a nomination than either of those two for me.

Clifford had a howler against Cork and Conroy barely played any league and just one Championship game. McCurry was Tyrone's best player against Donegal and their best player int the league.

Angelo, you've some obsession with Darren McCurry..

Decided to have a look at his league and C'Ship stats* and be I'd be very worried if you think that he deserves a nomination. Yeah, he scored his fair share of frees, but we know from your opinion on C O'C, that's just stat padding. 

Three times he was held scoreless from play in the NFL, he totalled 1-5 from play in 7 games.

In the C'Ship he was taken off after 50mins. In fairness, it was a surprise that he was taken off given the fact that he'd scored twice from play for the first time since the opening round of the league.

Div 1 - NFL
1-6 (total) v Meath 1-2 (from play)
0-3 v Monaghan 0-0
0-6 v Kerry 0-1
0-7 v Galway 0-1
0-1 v Dublin 0-0
1-1 v Donegal 0-0
0-4 v Mayo 0-1

Total: 2-28
Play: 1-05
Deadball: 1-23

C'ship
0-3 v Donegal 0-2

*You might want to check these in case I made a mistake somewhere.

I also have Conroy scoring more from play in less games in league as well as scoring more from play in their one C'Ship game.

McCurry played as a roving half forward this season, clear you didn't watch many Tyrone games. He was MOTM against Kerry and our best player against Donegal.

How much did Conroy score from play in the league games? His only league game I recall was a dead rubber against a Dublin B team and coming on as a sub against a 13 man Tyrone side.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2021, 03:45:21 PM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly

League performances. Cork and Dublin have dominated the league for the last 10/11 years but before that the league winners got a token nomination as a matter of course and they were more than token nominations before the backdoor was introduced, players actually got All Stars based on the league.

Doesn't make sense if the likes of Paul Conroy is also getting nominated.

McCurry much more worthy of a nomination than either of those two for me.

Clifford had a howler against Cork and Conroy barely played any league and just one Championship game. McCurry was Tyrone's best player against Donegal and their best player int the league.

Angelo, you've some obsession with Darren McCurry..

Decided to have a look at his league and C'Ship stats* and be I'd be very worried if you think that he deserves a nomination. Yeah, he scored his fair share of frees, but we know from your opinion on C O'C, that's just stat padding. 

Three times he was held scoreless from play in the NFL, he totalled 1-5 from play in 7 games.

In the C'Ship he was taken off after 50mins. In fairness, it was a surprise that he was taken off given the fact that he'd scored twice from play for the first time since the opening round of the league.

Div 1 - NFL
1-6 (total) v Meath 1-2 (from play)
0-3 v Monaghan 0-0
0-6 v Kerry 0-1
0-7 v Galway 0-1
0-1 v Dublin 0-0
1-1 v Donegal 0-0
0-4 v Mayo 0-1

Total: 2-28
Play: 1-05
Deadball: 1-23

C'ship
0-3 v Donegal 0-2

*You might want to check these in case I made a mistake somewhere.

I also have Conroy scoring more from play in less games in league as well as scoring more from play in their one C'Ship game.

McCurry played as a roving half forward this season, clear you didn't watch many Tyrone games. He was MOTM against Kerry and our best player against Donegal.

How much did Conroy score from play in the league games? His only league game I recall was a dead rubber against a Dublin B team and coming on as a sub against a 13 man Tyrone side.

Here's that Dublin B team he played...

DUBLIN: Stephen Cluxton; Cian Murphy, David Byrne, Michael Fitzsimons; Eoin Murchan, John Small, Robbie McDaid; Brian Fenton, James McCarthy; Brian Howard, Ciaran Kilkenny, Eric Lowndes; Paddy Small, Con O’Callaghan, Dean Rock.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 15, 2021, 04:29:49 PM
How does Clifford get a nomination?

my thoughts exactly

League performances. Cork and Dublin have dominated the league for the last 10/11 years but before that the league winners got a token nomination as a matter of course and they were more than token nominations before the backdoor was introduced, players actually got All Stars based on the league.

Doesn't make sense if the likes of Paul Conroy is also getting nominated.

McCurry much more worthy of a nomination than either of those two for me.

Clifford had a howler against Cork and Conroy barely played any league and just one Championship game. McCurry was Tyrone's best player against Donegal and their best player int the league.

Angelo, you've some obsession with Darren McCurry..

Decided to have a look at his league and C'Ship stats* and be I'd be very worried if you think that he deserves a nomination. Yeah, he scored his fair share of frees, but we know from your opinion on C O'C, that's just stat padding. 

Three times he was held scoreless from play in the NFL, he totalled 1-5 from play in 7 games.

In the C'Ship he was taken off after 50mins. In fairness, it was a surprise that he was taken off given the fact that he'd scored twice from play for the first time since the opening round of the league.

Div 1 - NFL
1-6 (total) v Meath 1-2 (from play)
0-3 v Monaghan 0-0
0-6 v Kerry 0-1
0-7 v Galway 0-1
0-1 v Dublin 0-0
1-1 v Donegal 0-0
0-4 v Mayo 0-1

Total: 2-28
Play: 1-05
Deadball: 1-23

C'ship
0-3 v Donegal 0-2

*You might want to check these in case I made a mistake somewhere.

I also have Conroy scoring more from play in less games in league as well as scoring more from play in their one C'Ship game.

McCurry played as a roving half forward this season, clear you didn't watch many Tyrone games. He was MOTM against Kerry and our best player against Donegal.

How much did Conroy score from play in the league games? His only league game I recall was a dead rubber against a Dublin B team and coming on as a sub against a 13 man Tyrone side.

Here's that Dublin B team he played...

DUBLIN: Stephen Cluxton; Cian Murphy, David Byrne, Michael Fitzsimons; Eoin Murchan, John Small, Robbie McDaid; Brian Fenton, James McCarthy; Brian Howard, Ciaran Kilkenny, Eric Lowndes; Paddy Small, Con O’Callaghan, Dean Rock.

A dead rubber game, absolutely nothing to play for either side
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: greatpoint on January 15, 2021, 06:25:16 PM
The hyping of Clifford never ceases, regardless of his performance level.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: thewobbler on January 15, 2021, 06:52:21 PM
I’d just give it to the Dublin team. Howard for whoever he came in for.

Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2021, 07:00:42 PM
I’d just give it to the Dublin team. Howard for whoever he came in for.

Provincial finalists/winners nominations for sure, those teams dumped out before that shouldn’t get a look in, Tipp will get one seeing the year it was and the history behind it.

But Dublin should get 9/10,  Tipp and Cavan one each, leaving Mayo with 3/4
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Crete Boom on January 15, 2021, 07:15:02 PM
Leaving aside all the other arguments surrounding Dublin, would it really be too far to give them the full 15 all stars based on their champioship performances or maybe 14 out 15 all stars?
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 15, 2021, 11:36:37 PM
Leaving aside all the other arguments surrounding Dublin, would it really be too far to give them the full 15 all stars based on their champioship performances or maybe 14 out 15 all stars?
That's a reasonable suggestion but I don't think you could follows it thorough, based on this year's final. IN some cases, who'd get the award, the main who started or the sub who replaced him?
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 15, 2021, 11:52:33 PM
8 or 9 for Dublin. 3 or 4 for Mayo. 2 for Cavan and 1 for Tipperary I'd say.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: RedHand88 on January 16, 2021, 11:00:58 AM
The hyping of Clifford never ceases, regardless of his performance level.

Did you not see his fantastic wide against Cork where he almost scored a goal?
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: greatpoint on January 16, 2021, 09:05:23 PM
The hyping of Clifford never ceases, regardless of his performance level.

Did you not see his fantastic wide against Cork where he almost scored a goal?

Kerry have pretty much fallen off the edge of a cliff in terms of their All-Ireland winning tradition the past decade. The dissonance around that drives the hype a bit I'm sure.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 09:21:23 AM
Cavan get 12 out of 15 of the Irish News Ulster All Stars last night with Thomas Galligan named player of the year. Now as delighted as I am to see such a return I think 12 is a bit over the top. But sure I suppose manys a year we got nothing so you have to take it.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on January 22, 2021, 09:24:35 AM
Yeah agreed. Every game they had was tight so it wasn't like every player was overly dominant. 6 or 7 maybe would maybe have been about right.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 09:27:42 AM
Yeah agreed. Every game they had was tight so it wasn't like every player was overly dominant. 6 or 7 maybe would maybe have been about right.

I think so. It seems the All Stars in general are more of a way to reward a team effort than actually picking the best 15 players in any year. Its great when you are getting them but a but shit if you are a great player on a struggling team.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: imtommygunn on January 22, 2021, 09:33:24 AM
Sure antrim got 15 in the hurling which was a bit much and one of the 15 isn't a starter. (though a very good impact sub to be fair to him).
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Estimator on January 22, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
How did McManus get one?
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: DuffleKing on January 22, 2021, 11:29:37 AM

This lark is a public online vote - shambles. Best social media army gets selected.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Estimator on January 22, 2021, 11:46:21 AM

This lark is a public online vote - shambles. Best social media army gets selected.

Yeah, just had look at the awards
12/15 Down Camogs selected
11/15 Armagh Ladies
15/15 Antrim hurlers
12/15 Cavan footballers
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Itchy on January 22, 2021, 12:46:42 PM

This lark is a public online vote - shambles. Best social media army gets selected.

Thats even stranger because the Irish news would have very low circulation in cavan and I follow a lot of cavan gaa on twitter etc and didn't notice any campaign going on.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Cavan19 on January 22, 2021, 12:58:43 PM

This lark is a public online vote - shambles. Best social media army gets selected.

Thats even stranger because the Irish news would have very low circulation in cavan and I follow a lot of cavan gaa on twitter etc and didn't notice any campaign going on.

Never seen anything myself didn't even know there was a online vote.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: mrdeeds on January 22, 2021, 03:09:33 PM

This lark is a public online vote - shambles. Best social media army gets selected.

Thats even stranger because the Irish news would have very low circulation in cavan and I follow a lot of cavan gaa on twitter etc and didn't notice any campaign going on.

Never seen anything myself didn't even know there was a online vote.

I saw it in social media.
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: Angelo on January 23, 2021, 12:32:08 PM
Haven't seen the Ulster All Stars but I presume the 3 non-Cavan players were Langan, Mogan and Mooney?
Title: Re: Football All stars 2020
Post by: BennyCake on January 23, 2021, 12:35:02 PM
Haven't seen the Ulster All Stars but I presume the 3 non-Cavan players were Langan, Mogan and Mooney?

McFadden, McManus, Brennan.