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Quote from: heffo on March 11, 2009, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: Reillers on March 11, 2009, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 11, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on March 11, 2009, 10:28:45 AM
and will this be the end of the strike?

surely not. The issue was with the board, not McCarthy, right?

so the board will appoint a new manager to manage a lot of spotty imposters?

not the 08 panel. Because they stand firm by their convictions. And their problem is Frank Murphy, but he hadn't quit.

So the strike continues

right?

This is what I was thinking as well.  It seems McCarthy was the problem, but because McCarthy had done nothing wrong and players should NEVER be allowed to pick the manager and just so as to justify their actions they had to say Frank Murphy was the problem and McCarthy was just a "pawn".  Well if thats true then surely these players who stand so strongly by their believes that they were risking their careers for the betterment of Cork hurling will now continue on their strike until Murphy is gone.  I somehow doubt very much they will.  Like the majority of people in the country I'm disgusted by the players actions, and their "moving of the goalposts" when it suits them.
1. my opinion has always stayed the same.

2.Gerald was the short term problem.

3.The clubs have the power to get rid of the CB. The clubs are the only ones who can get rid of FM.

4.There's not much more the players can do.


1. Your opinion has flip-flopped so much over the course of this issue. In fact on several occassions you've gone from emphatically denying something to admitting it in the same sentence.

2. Gerarld was the short term problem? What next, the county board? After that the clubs? Will they setup their own hurling association not unlike the WWE - they can then charge admission and keep it all themselves - they can split the money the way they have been doing - the higher your media profile the bigger share you get - dare speak up against this and you'll be the one getting paramilitary threats

3. "The clubs have the power to get rid of the CB. The clubs are the only ones who can get rid of FM. " - You spent 300 pages on this topic telling me this was impossible - so I've been right all along have I?

4. "There's not much more the players can do" - Oh they've done more than enough..

Was it not stated some time back that the clubs couldn't get rid of FM? That he was unsackable? That he was appointed from Croke Park and so nobody in Cork could sack him? If that's the case then how can the clubs now have the power to get rid of him? And even moreso, how can they be the only ones with the power to get rid of him?
#2
Quote from: heffo on March 09, 2009, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: m.muzzle on March 09, 2009, 01:42:46 PM
Quote from: Reillers on March 09, 2009, 01:03:29 PM

The players sat in front of the clubs, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only true voice in Cork GAA.
Now if any of ye were even remotely involved with the clubs over the years in Cork you'd know full well that they haven't had a voice for a very long time.


If the clubs didn't have a voice due to some/all of the delegates being in FM's pocket then why didn't the clubs have the delegate removed from their position and replace them with someone who would ensure their voice was heard at CB level?

Cmon it's simple - the delegates were afraid of the fearsome pensioner, the club officers were afraid of the delegates and were too cowardly to ask the delegates why they hadn't voted as mandated. The club members were too afraid to ask the club officers why they hadn't insisted the delegates vote to represent the views of their club members - the only ones not afraid were the heroic strikers..


I get the bit about the delegates being afraid of FM to an extent - well, maybe afraid is not the correct word, but I understand that he could make life difficult for a club if they didn't vote the way he wanted.

I just don't see why clubs would not replace the delegate when they didn't vote the way the clubs had mandated them to. And these delegates have been voting against their mandate for 30 odd years? Is there any reason why the delegates were not replaced? Do they hold power over the clubs the way FM has been reported to over the delegates themselves?
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Quote from: Reillers on March 09, 2009, 01:03:29 PM

The players sat in front of the clubs, I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only true voice in Cork GAA.
Now if any of ye were even remotely involved with the clubs over the years in Cork you'd know full well that they haven't had a voice for a very long time.


If the clubs didn't have a voice due to some/all of the delegates being in FM's pocket then why didn't the clubs have the delegate removed from their position and replace them with someone who would ensure their voice was heard at CB level?