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Title: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyroneman on July 01, 2019, 12:38:28 PM
An all Ulster match up, who'da thought it.

Won't be a stroll in the park for Tyrone, Cavan have been well fit for us in the past and wil be smarting after the Donegal hammering.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 12:50:30 PM
Throne tend to kick into gear at this stage of the championship and should on paper be ok.

That said there's no pressure on Cavan and it's essentially a free hit.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 01:00:36 PM
Cavan will probably want it in Clones as more likely Tyrone will take them to the cleaners in Croker if a double header.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 01, 2019, 02:24:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 01:00:36 PM
Cavan will probably want it in Clones as more likely Tyrone will take them to the cleaners in Croker if a double header.

It'll not be in Croke Park. Westlife are there Friday and Saturday.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: sekibanki on July 01, 2019, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 01:00:36 PM
Cavan will probably want it in Clones as more likely Tyrone will take them to the cleaners in Croker if a double header.
Cavan turned down Clones last year in favour of Brewster park, when the whole Newbridge or Nowhere put paid to the GAA's plans for a double-header
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: bogball88 on July 01, 2019, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: sekibanki on July 01, 2019, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 01:00:36 PM
Cavan will probably want it in Clones as more likely Tyrone will take them to the cleaners in Croker if a double header.
Cavan turned down Clones last year in favour of Brewster park, when the whole Newbridge or Nowhere put paid to the GAA's plans for a double-header
Did they turn it down? It was a home tie for them but Breffni was being redeveloped. I would have assumed in such an instance that they picked Brester as opposed to Clones? I could be wrong
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 01, 2019, 02:31:44 PM
Clones on Saturday confirmed.
U20s at 2.45pm and seniors at 5pm.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 01, 2019, 02:31:44 PM
Clones on Saturday confirmed.
U20s at 2.45pm and seniors at 5pm.

Nice.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: Rois on July 01, 2019, 02:41:22 PM
FFS. 

Will Sky be showing it?  I'll be in Croke Park.    :'(
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 02:44:42 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 01, 2019, 02:41:22 PM
FFS. 

Will Sky be showing it?  I'll be in Croke Park.    :'(

Yea they'll almost certainly have Tyrone v cavan and mayo v Galway.

Hope Westlife are good.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: sekibanki on July 01, 2019, 02:54:41 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on July 01, 2019, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: sekibanki on July 01, 2019, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 01:00:36 PM
Cavan will probably want it in Clones as more likely Tyrone will take them to the cleaners in Croker if a double header.
Cavan turned down Clones last year in favour of Brewster park, when the whole Newbridge or Nowhere put paid to the GAA's plans for a double-header
Did they turn it down? It was a home tie for them but Breffni was being redeveloped. I would have assumed in such an instance that they picked Brewster as opposed to Clones? I could be wrong
Yes, they picked Brewster as Breffni was unavailable. The initial rumour mill had guessed the match would be in Clones, I guesss that Cavan preferred the tighter pitch and somewhere where Tyrone feel slightly less at home.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 05:38:40 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 01, 2019, 02:41:22 PM
FFS. 

Will Sky be showing it?  I'll be in Croke Park.    :'(
Sky showing Cavan/Tyrone at 5 and the Connacht B Final at 7.
RTÉ showing Meath/Ckare on Sunday.
Cork v Laois doesn't seem to count.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: Itchy on July 01, 2019, 05:53:20 PM
Mickey Graham has lifted a couple of hoodoos this year

1- Beating one bogey team, Roscommon, in the league
2- Beating another bogey team Monaghan after a string of tight championship defeats in recent years
3- Getting us to an Ulster final, maintaining Cavans record of being in at least 1 ulster final in every decade since foundation of the GAA.

Now the biggest f**king hoodoo of them all, Tyrone. If he can sort this one out he will be some man.

I don't know what to expect to be honest, Tyrone looked powerful against Kildare and can Cavan lift themselves after the Ulster final (someone called it a hammering, it was 5 points hardly a hammering). Sick with that draw to be honest, I'd have been confident against any of the other teams. Bookies have us at 10/3 which says they not giving us much hope.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2019, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2019, 05:53:20 PM
Mickey Graham has lifted a couple of hoodoos this year

1- Beating one bogey team, Roscommon, in the league
2- Beating another bogey team Monaghan after a string of tight championship defeats in recent years
3- Getting us to an Ulster final, maintaining Cavans record of being in at least 1 ulster final in every decade since foundation of the GAA.

Now the biggest f**king hoodoo of them all, Tyrone. If he can sort this one out he will be some man.

I don't know what to expect to be honest, Tyrone looked powerful against Kildare and can Cavan lift themselves after the Ulster final (someone called it a hammering, it was 5 points hardly a hammering). Sick with that draw to be honest, I'd have been confident against any of the other teams. Bookies have us at 10/3 which says they not giving us much hope.

It was a hammering. Ten points would have been a much truer reflection of Donegal's dominance.

Don't feel bad, Tyrone fared the same against Donegal when their tactically inept, lifeless performance merited a double figure beating! That they scored three quick points in injury time to end up losing by only four doesn't change that

And we suffered the same against Dublin in the Super 8s last year. We lost by five points, but it was nowhere near a five point gulf in class or control of the game. Dublin did the bare minimum they needed to. They could have blown us out of the water.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: Fuzzman on July 01, 2019, 06:07:44 PM
Without sounding condescending, Cavan haven't had much luck in the draw this year.
They must have been very pleased to knock out Monaghan, one of the favourites for Ulster to then have a tough game with a much improved Armagh and then get taught a lesson by Donegal.
I'd say they would have much preferred anyone but another Ulster team.

It's a long long time since Cavan beat Tyrone and you imagine they won't have much chance this time with Tyrone out to prove a lot of people wrong after a poor show in previous rounds.

Cathal McShane continues to average five or six points a game and with Rian O'Neill and Adam Tyrell out of the running now, McShane will have a chance this Sat to go top scorer. A lot of people on here from Tyrone thought he wasn't good enough but the lad has kept his belief and shown he can play that lone forward role well and hold the ball up well for others to join the attack. He isn't scared to take his man on the odd time either and wins a lot of frees or as Lenny would say "Dives".
At least you'll soon have the NorthWest 200 to look forward to Len.
Hopefully Tyrone will provide Brolly and his puppets with a few more controversial incidents over the weeks ahead to keep up the ante "red hand defenders" struggle.

Tyrell   34
O'Neill   30
McShane   29
Costello   27
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: Jayop on July 01, 2019, 06:11:19 PM
Had Murphy been rightly sent off against Cavan they would have got a lot closer to Donegal.

I'm pissed with this tie tbh. I'd love to see Cavan progress to the super 8 but now of course I want to see Tyrone win. The missus was nearly crying with the draw (cavan woman).
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: J70 on July 01, 2019, 06:18:29 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 01, 2019, 06:11:19 PM
Had Murphy been rightly sent off against Cavan they would have got a lot closer to Donegal.

I'm pissed with this tie tbh. I'd love to see Cavan progress to the super 8 but now of course I want to see Tyrone win. The missus was nearly crying with the draw (cavan woman).

Assuming for the sake of argument you are correct that he deserved it and Murphy had in fact been sent off for his needless idiocy, then you'd be saying Cavan lost narrowly or even won only because Murphy had got the line.

What relevance does that have to Cavan's challenge now against a retooled and stronger Tyrone?

I don't think confidence or attitude is Cavan's issue here.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: Itchy on July 01, 2019, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 01, 2019, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 01, 2019, 05:53:20 PM
Mickey Graham has lifted a couple of hoodoos this year

1- Beating one bogey team, Roscommon, in the league
2- Beating another bogey team Monaghan after a string of tight championship defeats in recent years
3- Getting us to an Ulster final, maintaining Cavans record of being in at least 1 ulster final in every decade since foundation of the GAA.

Now the biggest f**king hoodoo of them all, Tyrone. If he can sort this one out he will be some man.

I don't know what to expect to be honest, Tyrone looked powerful against Kildare and can Cavan lift themselves after the Ulster final (someone called it a hammering, it was 5 points hardly a hammering). Sick with that draw to be honest, I'd have been confident against any of the other teams. Bookies have us at 10/3 which says they not giving us much hope.

It was a hammering. Ten points would have been a much truer reflection of Donegal's dominance.

Don't feel bad, Tyrone fared the same against Donegal when their tactically inept, lifeless performance merited a double figure beating! That they scored three quick points in injury time to end up losing by only four doesn't change that

And we suffered the same against Dublin in the Super 8s last year. We lost by five points, but it was nowhere near a five point gulf in class or control of the game. Dublin did the bare minimum they needed to. They could have blown us out of the water.

I measure hammering by the scoreline, not by what the scoreline might have been or should have been but your comments otherwise are fair 
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - Venue TBD, Date TBD, Time TBD
Post by: BennyCake on July 01, 2019, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 01, 2019, 02:41:22 PM
FFS. 

Will Sky be showing it?  I'll be in Croke Park.    :'(

I thought this would be a double header with Westlife at Croke Park.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Dire Ear on July 01, 2019, 07:28:27 PM
Cavan gave Tyrone their full of it in the U-21s a few years ago,  what happenad since?
Do Tyrone simply have a stronger squad of players;  consistant management?
Cavan have every chance if Tyrone play the way they did v Donegal
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Angelo on July 01, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Cavan will be a tough test but the performance against Kildare was encouraging so I'd hope we can get over it and from then on we have a great chance.

We are potentially two wins over Cavan and Roscommon from an AI semi final (I'd expect us to beat Cork/Laois comfortably). They're both improved sides from last year so we'll need to put in a performance but Saturday was a move in the right direction and if we're on our game we should get the wins.

It's a good position to be in and we just have to make sure the mindset is right and the focus is on game by game as it's very easy to look ahead.

Making sure the likes of Reilly, McKiernan, McVeety and Mackey have minimal impact on the game will be the key to negotiating Cavan. Tough break for Cavan as it's a big ask to beat Tyrone and I think they would have had little problem with either Laois or Clare and would be capable of being competitive in Croke Park.

From a competitive point of view, the Super 8s would be a much better spectacle if Galway, Mayo, Tyrone and Cavan were the sides to progress in this round but much like the last round - the 4 best teams drew each other.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: meathie on July 01, 2019, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 01, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Cavan will be a tough test but the performance against Kildare was encouraging so I'd hope we can get over it and from then on we have a great chance.

We are potentially two wins over Cavan and Roscommon from an AI semi final (I'd expect us to beat Cork/Laois comfortably). They're both improved sides from last year so we'll need to put in a performance but Saturday was a move in the right direction and if we're on our game we should get the wins.

It's a good position to be in and we just have to make sure the mindset is right and the focus is on game by game as it's very easy to look ahead.

Making sure the likes of Reilly, McKiernan, McVeety and Mackey have minimal impact on the game will be the key to negotiating Cavan. Tough break for Cavan as it's a big ask to beat Tyrone and I think they would have had little problem with either Laois or Clare and would be capable of being competitive in Croke Park.

From a competitive point of view, the Super 8s would be a much better spectacle if Galway, Mayo, Tyrone and Cavan were the sides to progress in this round but much like the last round - the 4 best teams drew each other.

Sorry maybe this is for another thread or maybe it's just from hearing this all day, but why the complete disrespect to the counties who have made it to where they all are? In fairness as it stands, why is it so much better that Galway or Cavan etc would be in super 8s rather than us or Clare or Cork or Laois? In reality what have these counties done/ proven to be more worthy than anyone else at this point? As it has played out so far Dublin, Donegal and maybe Tyrone are looking like likely contenders  but apart from that it's still all to play for....so condescending
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: omaghjoe on July 02, 2019, 06:18:17 AM
Quote from: meathie on July 01, 2019, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 01, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Cavan will be a tough test but the performance against Kildare was encouraging so I'd hope we can get over it and from then on we have a great chance.

We are potentially two wins over Cavan and Roscommon from an AI semi final (I'd expect us to beat Cork/Laois comfortably). They're both improved sides from last year so we'll need to put in a performance but Saturday was a move in the right direction and if we're on our game we should get the wins.

It's a good position to be in and we just have to make sure the mindset is right and the focus is on game by game as it's very easy to look ahead.

Making sure the likes of Reilly, McKiernan, McVeety and Mackey have minimal impact on the game will be the key to negotiating Cavan. Tough break for Cavan as it's a big ask to beat Tyrone and I think they would have had little problem with either Laois or Clare and would be capable of being competitive in Croke Park.

From a competitive point of view, the Super 8s would be a much better spectacle if Galway, Mayo, Tyrone and Cavan were the sides to progress in this round but much like the last round - the 4 best teams drew each other.

Sorry maybe this is for another thread or maybe it's just from hearing this all day, but why the complete disrespect to the counties who have made it to where they all are? In fairness as it stands, why is it so much better that Galway or Cavan etc would be in super 8s rather than us or Clare or Cork or Laois? In reality what have these counties done/ proven to be more worthy than anyone else at this point? As it has played out so far Dublin, Donegal and maybe Tyrone are looking like likely contenders  but apart from that it's still all to play for....so condescending

Compare Mayo or Tyrone pairings to Clares. They'd have been out long ago and they're actually in there with a decent chance of making the super 8s...pure luck that got them this far
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 02, 2019, 08:57:24 AM
Quote from: meathie on July 01, 2019, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 01, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Cavan will be a tough test but the performance against Kildare was encouraging so I'd hope we can get over it and from then on we have a great chance.

We are potentially two wins over Cavan and Roscommon from an AI semi final (I'd expect us to beat Cork/Laois comfortably). They're both improved sides from last year so we'll need to put in a performance but Saturday was a move in the right direction and if we're on our game we should get the wins.

It's a good position to be in and we just have to make sure the mindset is right and the focus is on game by game as it's very easy to look ahead.

Making sure the likes of Reilly, McKiernan, McVeety and Mackey have minimal impact on the game will be the key to negotiating Cavan. Tough break for Cavan as it's a big ask to beat Tyrone and I think they would have had little problem with either Laois or Clare and would be capable of being competitive in Croke Park.

From a competitive point of view, the Super 8s would be a much better spectacle if Galway, Mayo, Tyrone and Cavan were the sides to progress in this round but much like the last round - the 4 best teams drew each other.

Sorry maybe this is for another thread or maybe it's just from hearing this all day, but why the complete disrespect to the counties who have made it to where they all are? In fairness as it stands, why is it so much better that Galway or Cavan etc would be in super 8s rather than us or Clare or Cork or Laois? In reality what have these counties done/ proven to be more worthy than anyone else at this point? As it has played out so far Dublin, Donegal and maybe Tyrone are looking like likely contenders  but apart from that it's still all to play for....so condescending

Not condescending, it is a fact that you got a very fortunate draw. I believe Meath to be a very average team who are being hyped up by the media a bit this year to create the illusion of a contest in Leinster.  None of this is Meaths fault bit like monaghan last year beating half of div 4 to get to super 8s.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Rossfan on July 02, 2019, 09:21:59 AM
I think it's not unreasonable to say that the losers of Cavan/Tyrone and Herrins/Rhubarbs would be better teams than the winners of Meath/Clare or Cork/Laois.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: redhandefender on July 02, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Draw, ye heard it here 1st
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Main Street on July 02, 2019, 12:40:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 02, 2019, 08:57:24 AM
Quote from: meathie on July 01, 2019, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 01, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Cavan will be a tough test but the performance against Kildare was encouraging so I'd hope we can get over it and from then on we have a great chance.

We are potentially two wins over Cavan and Roscommon from an AI semi final (I'd expect us to beat Cork/Laois comfortably). They're both improved sides from last year so we'll need to put in a performance but Saturday was a move in the right direction and if we're on our game we should get the wins.

It's a good position to be in and we just have to make sure the mindset is right and the focus is on game by game as it's very easy to look ahead.

Making sure the likes of Reilly, McKiernan, McVeety and Mackey have minimal impact on the game will be the key to negotiating Cavan. Tough break for Cavan as it's a big ask to beat Tyrone and I think they would have had little problem with either Laois or Clare and would be capable of being competitive in Croke Park.

From a competitive point of view, the Super 8s would be a much better spectacle if Galway, Mayo, Tyrone and Cavan were the sides to progress in this round but much like the last round - the 4 best teams drew each other.

Sorry maybe this is for another thread or maybe it's just from hearing this all day, but why the complete disrespect to the counties who have made it to where they all are? In fairness as it stands, why is it so much better that Galway or Cavan etc would be in super 8s rather than us or Clare or Cork or Laois? In reality what have these counties done/ proven to be more worthy than anyone else at this point? As it has played out so far Dublin, Donegal and maybe Tyrone are looking like likely contenders  but apart from that it's still all to play for....so condescending

Not condescending, it is a fact that you got a very fortunate draw. I believe Meath to be a very average team who are being hyped up by the media a bit this year to create the illusion of a contest in Leinster.  None of this is Meaths fault bit like monaghan last year beating half of div 4 to get to super 8s.
Obviously it's not enough just to get to the super 8s, you have to perform once you get there and to anybody but but a blind embittered Cavan man, Monaghan performed with distinction.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Main Street on July 02, 2019, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 02, 2019, 09:21:59 AM
I think it's not unreasonable to say that the losers of Cavan/Tyrone and Herrins/Rhubarbs would be better teams than the winners of Meath/Clare or Cork/Laois.
I have only seen Meath and Cork play and they would compete if not beat the losers of other 2 qualifier.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Draw, ye heard it here 1st

Must be finished on the day which includes penalties if required. Now imagine reaching the last 8 in that manner?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Draw, ye heard it here 1st

Must be finished on the day which includes penalties if required. Now imagine reaching the last 8 in that manner?

Can we speculate who the 5 would be?

Harte, Mcshane, M Donnelly, Brennan, Morgan?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: BennyCake on July 02, 2019, 01:17:21 PM
Tyrone will win this by 6+ points
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: southtyronegael on July 02, 2019, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Draw, ye heard it here 1st

Must be finished on the day which includes penalties if required. Now imagine reaching the last 8 in that manner?

Can we speculate who the 5 would be?

Harte, Mcshane, M Donnelly, Brennan, Morgan?
Brennan?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: bogball88 on July 02, 2019, 02:35:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Draw, ye heard it here 1st

Must be finished on the day which includes penalties if required. Now imagine reaching the last 8 in that manner?

Can we speculate who the 5 would be?

Harte, Mcshane, M Donnelly, Brennan, Morgan?
The dazzler?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 02, 2019, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Draw, ye heard it here 1st

Must be finished on the day which includes penalties if required. Now imagine reaching the last 8 in that manner?

Can we speculate who the 5 would be?

Harte, Mcshane, M Donnelly, Brennan, Morgan?
Brennan?

Rory
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on July 02, 2019, 02:35:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Draw, ye heard it here 1st

Must be finished on the day which includes penalties if required. Now imagine reaching the last 8 in that manner?

Can we speculate who the 5 would be?

Harte, Mcshane, M Donnelly, Brennan, Morgan?
The dazzler?

Forgot about him actually.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 02, 2019, 05:39:18 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 02, 2019, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 02, 2019, 09:21:59 AM
I think it's not unreasonable to say that the losers of Cavan/Tyrone and Herrins/Rhubarbs would be better teams than the winners of Meath/Clare or Cork/Laois.
I have only seen Meath and Cork play and they would compete if not beat the losers of other 2 qualifier.

Seasons over for you ya moany fecker, scuttle off bow like a good lad.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
Hon Cavan
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 02, 2019, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
Hon Cavan

They have the All-Irelands in the bank, they have the Ulsters, they have the history. Tyrone are non-starters in comparison.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 10:30:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
Hon Cavan

Hup Throne.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Rossfan on July 03, 2019, 12:47:57 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 02, 2019, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 05:59:29 PM
Hon Cavan

They have the All-Irelands in the bank, they have the Ulsters, they have the history. Tyrone are non-starters in comparison.
Does that get added to the scoreboard? ;)
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
On form, based on both teams' performances against Donegal and Tyrone's  since, it's a comfortable 3 -7 point win for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 03, 2019, 12:32:07 PM
The view held by most is that Cavan under Michael Graham are much improved however last year in the qualifiers Cavan only lost by 3 points to Tyrone and i have my doubts if the margin of defeat will be that narrow this time.

Watching Tyrone last weekend against or be it a flat Kildare outfit they seem to click into action again, they did similar last year v Cork and it propelled them into the All Ireland final. 
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: cavanmaniac on July 03, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
Literally any other team would have been a satisfactory draw for Cavan, but if there's an all Ulster pairing possible, out of the hat she'll come. So deflating and such an anti climax, super 8s would have been a great developer for the team and manager. A typically impotent exit, following the usual script when we play Tyrone, could actually send us backwards a few steps. You'd hope that the bit of steel we've been able to show at times this summer will at least see us emerge with a an enhanced reputation, but as for the result it's a foregone conclusion I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: armaghniac on July 03, 2019, 01:17:36 PM
Cavan need to get stuck in from the start. Against Donegal they were like a rabbit in the headlights for a long while, allowing Donegal get a big lead.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Esmarelda on July 03, 2019, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on July 03, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
Literally any other team would have been a satisfactory draw for Cavan, but if there's an all Ulster pairing possible, out of the hat she'll come. So deflating and such an anti climax, super 8s would have been a great developer for the team and manager. A typically impotent exit, following the usual script when we play Tyrone, could actually send us backwards a few steps. You'd hope that the bit of steel we've been able to show at times this summer will at least see us emerge with a an enhanced reputation, but as for the result it's a foregone conclusion I'm afraid.
That's one of the most pessimistic posts I've ever read. Is this the feeling in Cavan generally?

If it is then the players living in Cavan will surely pick up on this vibe and may be beaten before they take the pitch.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cavan19 on July 03, 2019, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 03, 2019, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on July 03, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
Literally any other team would have been a satisfactory draw for Cavan, but if there's an all Ulster pairing possible, out of the hat she'll come. So deflating and such an anti climax, super 8s would have been a great developer for the team and manager. A typically impotent exit, following the usual script when we play Tyrone, could actually send us backwards a few steps. You'd hope that the bit of steel we've been able to show at times this summer will at least see us emerge with a an enhanced reputation, but as for the result it's a foregone conclusion I'm afraid.
That's one of the most pessimistic posts I've ever read. Is this the feeling in Cavan generally?

If it is then the players living in Cavan will surely pick up on this vibe and may be beaten before they take the pitch.

I'm afraid it is we really didn't want Tyrone  :-[ .

The bandwagon jumpers will have all gone to ground by now so i can see a small enough Cavan crowd travelling down the road also.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: J70 on July 03, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
Donegal went in against Tyrone this year as definite underdogs after three straight defeats in the previous three seasons. They're not Dublin. They're not unbeatable. Cavan have to give it a go, force them to go long with the kick-outs, put a man back in front of McShane and swarm just like Tyrone do.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fuzzman on July 03, 2019, 03:48:45 PM
For God sake J70, you're spoiling it for them. We're gonna have to go off now and think of a plan C and maybe even D.

Most of the Cavan lads are playing the "cute hoor" role very well and whilst most of us do think they don't have much of a chance, most of us older wans (Yeah most of us now) know that games rarely go as expected.

McShane seems to continue doing well despite most teams putting a man in front of him as well as his own marker. Petey Harte has been scoring heavily in the games he has stayed on the pitch though a lot is from frees. Good to see Mattie scoring a few last weekend and McCurry looks to have got his act together and looks hungry to prove people wrong.
McAliskey will be looking to turn up the heat on the others when he gets his chance and will want to get back where he was.

Richie Donnelly and Frank Burns can also kick points from far out which can be important against packed defences sitting inside their own 40.
Interesting wee article here which was written before the Donegal game
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-statistics-tyrone-s-new-three-pronged-attack-explained-1.3915956

Tyrone began 2019 with just 1-10 from play in their opening three league matches - the joint lowest combined total of any Division One team at that stage of the competition in the past decade. Two of them points were from their goalkeeper.

They went on to win their remaining four league matches - including a win over Dublin in Croke Park - before seeing off Derry and Antrim in reaching Saturday's Ulster semi-final against Donegal. In those six wins Tyrone accumulated 8-63 from play, an average of 1-12 per match.

So what changed? Tyrone decided to deploy midfielder Cathal McShane at full-forward and stick with it, with Mattie Donnelly floating around him. When team captain, Donnelly, decides to go out the field he's replaced inside by Peter Harte. Who otherwise looks to exploit the pockets of space from halfway to the edge of the D, created by Tyrone's inside double threat. And most importantly, they are kicking the ball into them.

Against Dublin in the 2018 final, Tyrone registered 16 wides to Dublin's six. They took on 13 shots from outside of the scoring zone, some from well outside of it, and they scored only one. A team who have perfected their transition game in recent years, Tyrone have struggled to create chances when held up and prevented from streaming through the defensive lines on the counter.

Now though, they have their alternative outlet, in the form of three very different players. It's hard to decipher much from last month's 14 point win over Antrim - by the 41st minute of that encounter Mickey Harte called ashore Harte, Donnelly and McShane in a triple substitution such was his confidence in securing the victory. However, their preliminary round win over Derry did ask more questions of them.

In that match 1-9 of the team's total of 1-19 was the result of a kickpass into one of their inside forwards. And that long ball tactic not only gives them an option to kick beyond a defensive block, it also asks questions of the opposition defence and forces them to protect their last line. All of which leaves space for Tyrone's best weapon - that lightning transition through the hands.
Last year's All-Ireland finalists have been boosted by the likes of Michael Cassidy, Ben McDonnell and Brian Kennedy competing for starting places, Niall Morgan has transformed into a sweeper goalkeeper - but Tyrone's biggest and most needed improvement from last summer has been in their forward line.
McShane has been the biggest success story of all, so far in this year's Championship he's scored 0-13 in two matches, 0-8 from play. He will contest, win and flick down aerial deliveries against any opponent, while he can also kick scores off both feet without hesitation. So far this summer he's scored three with his left, two with his fist and eight with his favoured right boot. This variation allows him to shoot on sight as he can't be marked off one side.

While the rest of the Tyrone attack/team will rotate positions throughout a match, it's rare that McShane will not be the furthest player forward in this new look formation. Against Derry and Antrim, he had two thirds of his touches inside the opposition 21 metre line. And had his hands on the ball inside the 13 metre line on seven occasions.

Making up what's often a two man full forward line, Donnelly joins McShane inside for large chunks of the match. Against Derry he had 22 possessions and was fouled for three tap over frees, while he scored three points against Antrim. And he ended the league campaign with 0-3 against Dublin and 1-4 against Galway.
Donnelly makes his runs from the full-forward position to the wings where his dynamism allows him to secure the ball on a one-on-one out in front, and also isolates defenders allowing him to take them on and create overlaps. A skill he is arguably the best at in the country.

When Donnelly comes out, which he seems to have free license to do, Harte goes in. The latter is Tyrone's top scorer so far this year in league and championship (including frees) but has yet to score from play this summer. Albeit he has spent most of his time out rather than in.

He had only 11 touches from play against Derry, yet made much more of an impact against Antrim where he created the opening goal for Tiernan McCann with a defence splitting run. In Tyrone's league win over Monaghan in particular, when he scored 1-6 (1-2 from play), Harte also showed how he can rip through a stretched backline wary of the long ball in behind.

The versatile attacker is capable of starting and finishing a counter attack due to his athleticism, ball carrying ability and the timing of his runs. He is also one of the main conductors between running that traditional transition game, and triggering Tyrone's new long kick option. Harte kicked long to Donnelly and McShane on five occasions between the Derry and Antrim wins.

Counting the kicks for only as long as Harte, Donnelly and McShane were on the pitch against Derry and Antrim, Richard Donnelly tops the list of 13 kickers with 10 long passes to his inside players. He has been thriving in his new role out around the middle, and in a team of players who have spent their footballing lives looking to carry rather than kick he appears to be the main player relied upon to get his head up and feed the talent.

The other is Frank Burns, of late he has filled the sweeper centre back role so often held by Mattie Donnelly, and he has also bombed on and kicked in eight kick passes.

Them passes can be long and high to McShane, out wide or in the corner to Donnelly - the two big men inside can win the ball and hold it whatever way it comes into them. They can keep it short too with Harte and runners aplenty ready to exploit the space. Essentially, Mickey Harte looks to have found a way to make three of his most unorthodox players thrive in a fluid yet structured system.

Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 03, 2019, 04:18:52 PM
Funny enough I reckon Faulkner will handle Mcshane fairly well. It's the likes of Peter Harte and your strong runners in half back line that will trouble us. The mental toughness or lack of it will have a major bearing on this game. But based on the Mickey Graham factor I give Cavan a chance.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 03, 2019, 04:33:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 04:22:13 PM
There's a Mickey Graham factor?

Why are you stalking this thread, shouldn't you be on the "shit dual counties with no home stadium thread"
But yeh, Mickey Graham won Leinster with a half parish from longford against a super club from Dublin so he does bring something else to the table.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 03, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
Donegal went in against Tyrone this year as definite underdogs after three straight defeats in the previous three seasons. They're not Dublin. They're not unbeatable. Cavan have to give it a go, force them to go long with the kick-outs, put a man back in front of McShane and swarm just like Tyrone do.
Cavan are not Donegal
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: skeog on July 03, 2019, 05:01:14 PM
Hope someone has lent Joe Brolly a fiver for the car parking in Clones.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: weareros on July 03, 2019, 05:17:51 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 03, 2019, 05:01:14 PM
Hope someone has lent Joe Brolly a fiver for the car parking in Clones.

If not, he should learn to haggle and barter a bit, Bangladesh style.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 03, 2019, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 04:46:09 PM
Stalking the thread with my first post on it.... ::)

Aye, the Mickey Graham factor, I'm sure Harte is shitting it. Heavens above!!

Never said he would be nor should he be. Just mentioned that Graham has brought something more to cavan than was there last year and also pointed out your obsession with threads on cavan over the years, I expect out of boredom as your own county normally have laid down many weeks before now despite all the population you have which ye fail to harness year after year.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cavan19 on July 03, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 06:58:34 PM


Maybe change the name to Tetchy.

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 03, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 06:58:34 PM


Maybe change the name to Tetchy.

;D ;D ;D
:D

Not bad HS.

Whatever he is, he's an out and out bollix who hasn't a gram of cop on.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cavan19 on July 03, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 03, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 06:58:34 PM


Maybe change the name to Tetchy.

;D ;D ;D
:D

Not bad HS.

Whatever he is, he's an out and out bollix who hasn't a gram of cop on.

Schools out for the summer lads.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 03, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 03, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 03, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 03, 2019, 06:58:34 PM


Maybe change the name to Tetchy.

;D ;D ;D
:D

Not bad HS.

Whatever he is, he's an out and out bollix who hasn't a gram of cop on.

Crying again like a little bitch main street. You will always be in our shadow,  get used to it.

Population of Antrim 600k, even allowing for unionists and take away 50% that's still  3 times more than Cavan. So tell us why you can't harvest that huge number? If only Ulsters were handed out for wearing Celtic jerseys and painting kerbs.


Now what are you two even doing on this thread?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Angelo on July 03, 2019, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 12:58:58 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on July 02, 2019, 11:58:52 AM
Draw, ye heard it here 1st

Must be finished on the day which includes penalties if required. Now imagine reaching the last 8 in that manner?

Can we speculate who the 5 would be?

Harte, Mcshane, M Donnelly, Brennan, Morgan?

Depends on who finishes I guess but I would say:

Harte
Sludden
Morgan
McCurry
McAliskey

I'd have a bit of a worry on letting the bigger lads take penalties.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: giveballaghback on July 04, 2019, 12:38:43 AM
So Tyrone are another racing cert? Just like Mayo were against The Rossies, or Tyrone were against Donegal, or Galway were against Ros or Monaghan against cavan and how many more favourites have fallen this year.
Cavan will be ready for this, the hype is gone now after the Ulster final, Graham will have them up and running Sunday and they will have learned from that Donegal game.
I expect a close game.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: BennyHarp on July 04, 2019, 07:46:59 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 04, 2019, 12:38:43 AM
So Tyrone are another racing cert? Just like Mayo were against The Rossies, or Tyrone were against Donegal, or Galway were against Ros or Monaghan against cavan and how many more favourites have fallen this year.
Cavan will be ready for this, the hype is gone now after the Ulster final, Graham will have them up and running Sunday and they will have learned from that Donegal game.
I expect a close game.

It seems to be mainly Cavan folk who think they have no chance. And anyone who thought Tyrone were "racing certs" v Donegal where clearly bluffers. I agree with you, a tight game is on the cards here, Cavan will have learned from the Donegal game and surely won't make the same mistakes when faced with a packed defence. However, I really hope Tyrone are planning to mix up their style as the games progress.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: mrdeeds on July 04, 2019, 10:34:24 AM
Oisin Pierson and Caoimhim Reilly out. It's time to start Mackey.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 04, 2019, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 04, 2019, 07:46:59 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 04, 2019, 12:38:43 AM
So Tyrone are another racing cert? Just like Mayo were against The Rossies, or Tyrone were against Donegal, or Galway were against Ros or Monaghan against cavan and how many more favourites have fallen this year.
Cavan will be ready for this, the hype is gone now after the Ulster final, Graham will have them up and running Sunday and they will have learned from that Donegal game.
I expect a close game.

It seems to be mainly Cavan folk who think they have no chance. And anyone who thought Tyrone were "racing certs" v Donegal where clearly bluffers. I agree with you, a tight game is on the cards here, Cavan will have learned from the Donegal game and surely won't make the same mistakes when faced with a packed defence. However, I really hope Tyrone are planning to mix up their style as the games progress.

Bookies have Tyrone @ 2/7 which I found very strange. They obviously have their mathematical calculations but I wouldn't have thought Tyrone were that nailed considering Galway are actually outsiders v Mayo. 
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 04, 2019, 11:29:44 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on July 03, 2019, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 03, 2019, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on July 03, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
Literally any other team would have been a satisfactory draw for Cavan, but if there's an all Ulster pairing possible, out of the hat she'll come. So deflating and such an anti climax, super 8s would have been a great developer for the team and manager. A typically impotent exit, following the usual script when we play Tyrone, could actually send us backwards a few steps. You'd hope that the bit of steel we've been able to show at times this summer will at least see us emerge with a an enhanced reputation, but as for the result it's a foregone conclusion I'm afraid.
That's one of the most pessimistic posts I've ever read. Is this the feeling in Cavan generally?

If it is then the players living in Cavan will surely pick up on this vibe and may be beaten before they take the pitch.

I'm afraid it is we really didn't want Tyrone  :-[ .

The bandwagon jumpers will have all gone to ground by now so i can see a small enough Cavan crowd travelling down the road also.

This post has cute hoor written all over it.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Angelo on July 04, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Same XV as against Kildare? What you reckon lads?

It was great to see Meyler back, he really adds a tempo and vibrancy to the side. It would be harsh to drop anyone on the back of that performance. I presume Cassidy is fit?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2019, 12:18:45 PM
I was worried going into the Donegal and a bit worried for last weekend unless we upped it a gear which is what we did.

I would be hopeful that this was the management's plan was to cruise along in 2nd gear until July and then start putting the foot down a bit coming into the super 8s. I'd say Mickey and Co would never admit it but I think coming through the back door suits our approach a lot better.
There has been a good few years when we won Ulster that we were caught cold in the quarterfinals unless we met a lower division team.
Donegal certainly didn't benefit last year from winning Ulster and it would appear they have a tough draw again this year with their game in Croker v Kerry as expected but their harder qualifier game away to Galway or Mayo.

I think teams in the top 6 are at a different level to those below that and teams like Kildare and Cavan who often yo yo up and down from Div 1 cannot deal with the speed, strength and conditioning of these top teams any more. Cavan certainly found that v Donegal in the first half.
I could be wrong but I can see another game like Kildare, as long as Petey and Mattie continue were they left off last week. McShane could well be a decoy to keep two defenders busy and so to bring others more space.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
And the top 6 are?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cavan19 on July 04, 2019, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
And the top 6 are?

There is a top 1 and then a few others below that.

Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 01:00:19 PM
True sadly as interest wanes.....
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 04, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on July 04, 2019, 10:42:38 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 04, 2019, 07:46:59 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 04, 2019, 12:38:43 AM
So Tyrone are another racing cert? Just like Mayo were against The Rossies, or Tyrone were against Donegal, or Galway were against Ros or Monaghan against cavan and how many more favourites have fallen this year.
Cavan will be ready for this, the hype is gone now after the Ulster final, Graham will have them up and running Sunday and they will have learned from that Donegal game.
I expect a close game.

It seems to be mainly Cavan folk who think they have no chance. And anyone who thought Tyrone were "racing certs" v Donegal where clearly bluffers. I agree with you, a tight game is on the cards here, Cavan will have learned from the Donegal game and surely won't make the same mistakes when faced with a packed defence. However, I really hope Tyrone are planning to mix up their style as the games progress.

Bookies have Tyrone @ 2/7 which I found very strange. They obviously have their mathematical calculations but I wouldn't have thought Tyrone were that nailed considering Galway are actually outsiders v Mayo.

5 or 6 point winners they reckon Tyrone will win by. Probably about be right as Cavan should give Tyrone a more competitive game than Kildare did last weekend.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 04, 2019, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
And the top 6 are?

Looks like one of the so called top 6 were already beaten by Cavan and knocked out of the championship by Armagh.  I find it mildly amusing how some think Tyrone can turn form on and off like a tap. In reality when Tyrone get any set back as they did v Donegal they have a manager with the ability and experience to change things up and bring that much needed improvement.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: southtyronegael on July 04, 2019, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 04, 2019, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
And the top 6 are?

Looks like one of the so called top 6 were already beaten by Cavan and knocked out of the championship by Armagh.  I find it mildly amusing how some think Tyrone can turn form on and off like a tap. In reality when Tyrone get any set back as they did v Donegal they have a manager with the ability and experience to change things up and bring that much needed improvement.
was it not the managers fault that Tyrone were beat by Donegal in the first place?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: lenny on July 04, 2019, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on July 04, 2019, 06:18:15 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 04, 2019, 01:19:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
And the top 6 are?

Looks like one of the so called top 6 were already beaten by Cavan and knocked out of the championship by Armagh.  I find it mildly amusing how some think Tyrone can turn form on and off like a tap. In reality when Tyrone get any set back as they did v Donegal they have a manager with the ability and experience to change things up and bring that much needed improvement.
was it not the managers fault that Tyrone were beat by Donegal in the first place?

I think the manager allowed a few of the backroom team to have a say in changing the gameplan but once they were beat it was back to his way, negative tactics, rosarys, mass before games etc.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Jayop on July 04, 2019, 10:50:06 PM
Mayo winning the league probably keeps them in any top 6 talk but another early exit this year from the championship and no super 8 will have them drop out. Strange team.

Other than that it's Dublin alone at the top. Then a gap back to kerry, Tyrone, Donegal, Galway and mayo in no particular order.

Cavan and roscommon just need a few scalps outside their own province and a decent stint in d1 to break into that. My own bias would have cavan a wee bit ahead but the rossies have their recent provincial titles and a win against Cavan in the d2 final a while back to point to.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: cavanmaniac on July 05, 2019, 02:35:40 AM
One of the main positives about playing Tyrone in a championship match is a vibrant, active thread like this with lots to read to shorten bus journeys.

After that, I'm struggling.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: mrdeeds on July 05, 2019, 09:45:02 AM
Mickey Harte's team talk: "lads it's Cavan."
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 05, 2019, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: Angelo on July 04, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Same XV as against Kildare? What you reckon lads?

It was great to see Meyler back, he really adds a tempo and vibrancy to the side. It would be harsh to drop anyone on the back of that performance. I presume Cassidy is fit?

Can't see too many changes after a good performance the last night. I don't think Kennedy has done enough to nail down a starting spot at this stage but Harte seems to be persisting with him, I assume he's hoping for gradual improvement as we'll need big men in the middle if want to pressure the big teams kickouts if go further in the championship. He also had a specific job for him v the Dubs in the league. If we were to see a change there you'd imagine if any of Hampsey, R Donnelly or McCann were fit enough they'd be the most likely to come into the team.

Hugh Pat comes in and out of the team but probably has did enough to keep his place for now. Cassidy didn't look great going of the last day and a week is a quick turnaround so wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't start.

Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fuzzman on July 05, 2019, 10:04:02 AM
A few of ye a bit tetchy there about me mentioning a top 6 as if the top 6 are all of the same standard.
As someone said Dubs out on their own as we ALL already know and then maybe Kerry and Mayo some would still say, just from previous years and then maybe Donegal and Tyrone.
But l think a lot of teams just hold back until the last 8 now before they start to show their true form.
Donegal would be most people's No 2 on current form this year but many of us would say Mayo are still the only team to really put it up to the Dubs the last 4 or 5 years.

Rossie's probably not too pleased about not getting enough credit for winning Connacht but their performance in the Super 8s will be a true reflection of where they are at. Should they beat Cork and Cavan they will through to a semi.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Rossfan on July 05, 2019, 10:49:18 AM
We'd be hoping to be competitive in the last 8 this year unlike last year.
As for not getting credit...sure we're used to that.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 05, 2019, 12:29:28 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on July 05, 2019, 02:35:40 AM
One of the main positives about playing Tyrone in a championship match is a vibrant, active thread like this with lots to read to shorten bus journeys.

After that, I'm struggling.

Tyrone are rightly strong favourites however there are some reasons for optimism from cavan perspective. Last year with a clueless manager we had Tyrone under pressure, in particular Gearoid McKiernan dominated ctr field so that is in him. Secondly I think our backs can match up fairly well to Tyrone forwards. Faulkner on mcshane, McLoughlin on mccurry and maybe Clarke to follow Harte. I also hear the lads knocking lumps out of each other in training. I'm expecting cavan to really give this a go. I don't believe Tyrone are as good as Donegal but I do believe they are a top 4 team. It's a massive chance for cavan to take a major scalp.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 05, 2019, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 05, 2019, 12:29:28 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on July 05, 2019, 02:35:40 AM
One of the main positives about playing Tyrone in a championship match is a vibrant, active thread like this with lots to read to shorten bus journeys.

After that, I'm struggling.

Tyrone are rightly strong favourites however there are some reasons for optimism from cavan perspective. Last year with a clueless manager we had Tyrone under pressure, in particular Gearoid McKiernan dominated ctr field so that is in him. Secondly I think our backs can match up fairly well to Tyrone forwards. Faulkner on mcshane, McLoughlin on mccurry and maybe Clarke to follow Harte. I also hear the lads knocking lumps out of each other in training. I'm expecting cavan to really give this a go. I don't believe Tyrone are as good as Donegal but I do believe they are a top 4 team. It's a massive chance for cavan to take a major scalp.

Great stuff a bhuachaill, that's what it's all about.

Honestly, I can't see Cavan doing what they haven't done since 1983 against ourselves, but by jeez there's always a place for such pollyanna passion, and we'll need to be at our tip-top, no mistake! :)
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Westside on July 05, 2019, 10:38:10 PM
Don't see a way for Cavan to win this game but I think we'll be closer to them than were to Donegal. Really hope we go out and absolutely tear into them. Shake things up and get in their faces. Another claw back of a potential hammering and 'moral victory' counts for SFA. We need to be in the game at the 50 minute mark and take some risks. If we let them waltz through our defensive third as we did to Armagh and Donegal and if we can't get our shit together on our own kickouts, Tyrone will run in a few goals and it'll all be over early.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: armaghniac on July 06, 2019, 05:27:59 PM
Cavan disappointing here. Tyrone are only moderate, but Cavan are not putting it up to them at all.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyrone08 on July 06, 2019, 05:29:19 PM
Never used to mind cavan but they are nothing but dirt dirty  tr**ps. How they havent got a man sent off yet I dont know. Melyer  has been battered a few times.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:29:53 PM
Meyler hitting the deck and faking injury. An absolute gypsy of a player!!!
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 06, 2019, 05:29:19 PM
Never used to mind cavan but they are nothing but dirt dirty  tr**ps. How they havent got a man sent off yet I dont know. Melyer  has been battered a few times.

Did you miss his swan dive you head banger
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyrone08 on July 06, 2019, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:30:26 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 06, 2019, 05:29:19 PM
Never used to mind cavan but they are nothing but dirt dirty  tr**ps. How they havent got a man sent off yet I dont know. Melyer  has been battered a few times.

Did you miss his swan dive you head banger

Was this the swan dive when he got punched in the jaw after ball had been played??
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: red hander on July 06, 2019, 05:40:27 PM
Men against boys. How is mcvitty still on pitch?. Glad we're still pissing off the inbreds
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Rudi on July 06, 2019, 05:41:12 PM
Watching this game as a neutral, complete and utter scutter.  Cavan clueless going forward, Tyrone bringing the game to new depths of cynicism,  a horrible horrible side ironically coached by a holy Joe. They are a collective cancer on the game, the referee has done nothing to stamp out their cynical play.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: square_ball on July 06, 2019, 05:41:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:29:53 PM
Meyler hitting the deck and faking injury. An absolute gypsy of a player!!!

You've had a nightmare there Walter.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyrone08 on July 06, 2019, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:29:53 PM
Meyler hitting the deck and faking injury. An absolute gypsy of a player!!!

Tell you what..get that cavan player to hit you in the jaw like he hit meyler
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: JoG2 on July 06, 2019, 05:42:02 PM
All very gutless from Cavan management and players. Beat before the ball was thrown in by the looks of it

Tight enough viewing so far

Quote from: red hander on July 06, 2019, 05:40:27 PM
Men against boys. How is mcvitty still on pitch?. Glad we're still pissing off the inbreds

The games that riveting you're on a message board!  ;)
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Game over. Going out to cut the lawn.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 06, 2019, 05:41:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:29:53 PM
Meyler hitting the deck and faking injury. An absolute gypsy of a player!!!

You've had a nightmare there Walter.

I'm not referring to the McVitty incident. The one under the stand was disgraceful but Meyler has previous for this shite for county and club.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyrone08 on July 06, 2019, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 06, 2019, 05:41:12 PM
Watching this game as a neutral, complete and utter scutter.  Cavan clueless going forward, Tyrone bringing the game to new depths of cynicism,  a horrible horrible side ironically coached by a holy Joe. They are a collective cancer on the game, the referee has done nothing to stamp out their cynical play.

😂😂 take off the sunglasses Steve wonder
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: sid waddell on July 06, 2019, 05:46:05 PM
McVeety has done enough to be sent off twice over.

This is an absolute schooling by Tyrone.

The final margin will be whatever they want it to be.

Now in the perfect position going into the business end of the championship and they'll be hard stopped going forward.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Ed Ricketts on July 06, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
What have Cavan been at for the last couple of weeks? They look completely wrecked. Tyrone players kicking over points with no Cavan men within 10 yards of them. Miles off the pace for a team with aspirations of playing at the business end of the championship.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: on the sideline on July 06, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Cavan are brutal slow at getting forward. Maybe just brutal full stop.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyrone08 on July 06, 2019, 05:50:57 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 06, 2019, 05:41:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:29:53 PM
Meyler hitting the deck and faking injury. An absolute gypsy of a player!!!

You've had a nightmare there Walter.

I'm not referring to the McVitty incident. The one under the stand was disgraceful but Meyler has previous for this shite for county and club.

Ah so ignore the  clear punch but comment on a supposed dive. Nice one
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:52:50 PM
I did comment on it lad. See above. Must be good signal in Clones.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyrone08 on July 06, 2019, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:52:50 PM
I did comment on it lad. See above. Must be good signal in Clones.

You said nothing about it. Your first comment was slating home for diving. Anyway hopefully action is taken later but I won't hold my breath
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Estimator on July 06, 2019, 05:56:36 PM
Cavan look like a side that want to avoid getting a couple of hammerings in the Super 8s. Hard to judge where Tyrone are at based on the last 3 performances, neither Longford, Kildare or Cavan have put up much resistance.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:58:21 PM
I'll stand my comment on his diving. It's a scourge on the game. Good luck in the last 8!
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Blowitupref on July 06, 2019, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 06, 2019, 05:56:36 PM
Cavan look like a side that want to avoid getting a couple of hammerings in the Super 8s. Hard to judge where Tyrone are at based on the last 3 performances, neither Longford, Kildare or Cavan have put up much resistance.
Not that hard to judge at all. A side flying fit,full of running and have found their strongest team. Should reach the AI semi finals at least on what i have seen of them in the last few games.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 06, 2019, 06:12:17 PM
Kyle Coney on.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: square_ball on July 06, 2019, 05:41:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:29:53 PM
Meyler hitting the deck and faking injury. An absolute gypsy of a player!!!

You've had a nightmare there Walter.

Indeed. But enjoyable to see.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: yellowcard on July 06, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
You'd wonder at the motivation levels of the likes of Cavan and Laois. They know that they have no chance of coming out of the super 8 groups whereas they would have a punchers chance in a one off tie. Two very one sided contests.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Throw ball on July 06, 2019, 06:20:55 PM
The lack of fight in Cavan is incredible. Tyrone system works well against most teams but how will it fair against the better teams.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: nrico2006 on July 06, 2019, 06:30:32 PM
Cavan are brutal.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Ed Ricketts on July 06, 2019, 06:36:48 PM
Barry Cassidy doesn't seem to have much of a grasp of cards.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Angelo on July 06, 2019, 06:39:49 PM
Harte will now have to appeal his three black cards this week.

As of now he is suspended for next week but the three black cards he received were of the ludicrous variety and it should not be an issue to win the appeal.

Barry Cassidy was utterly abysmal today.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: red hander on July 06, 2019, 06:40:48 PM
Ridiculous black card for Petey considering some of things that went on in first half
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2019, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: red hander on July 06, 2019, 06:40:48 PM
Ridiculous black card for Petey considering some of things that went on in first half

Really was. P Harte been on the receiving end of a few strange ones.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Angelo on July 06, 2019, 06:45:34 PM
Very impressive performance. I thought the attitude of Cavan was very bad, the discipline of key players like McVeety - should have been red carded twice in the opening 20 minutes, Clarke and Moynagh was very bad. All of them chucked it early on and looked like they wanted to get the line but Barry Cassidy being his usual halfwit self turned a blind eye to.

He actually booked McCurry when he was dragged to the ground by his marker and then had his marker wraps his hands around his throat.

There was a lot of filth from Cavan today, they didn't seem too interested in playing football.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Angelo on July 06, 2019, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 06, 2019, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: red hander on July 06, 2019, 06:40:48 PM
Ridiculous black card for Petey considering some of things that went on in first half

Really was. P Harte been on the receiving end of a few strange ones.

He's facing a ban now as a result but you'd imagine all 3 will be rescinded.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: irish345 on July 06, 2019, 06:47:43 PM
does that game make a mockery of the ulster championship
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: red hander on July 06, 2019, 06:48:31 PM
McCurry booking was laughable. Cassidy had a mare... And not for first time
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 06, 2019, 06:49:21 PM
Black card the way it's used is a scourge.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: mrdeeds on July 06, 2019, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: Angelo on July 06, 2019, 06:45:34 PM
Very impressive performance. I thought the attitude of Cavan was very bad, the discipline of key players like McVeety - should have been red carded twice in the opening 20 minutes, Clarke and Moynagh was very bad. All of them chucked it early on and looked like they wanted to get the line but Barry Cassidy being his usual halfwit self turned a blind eye to.

He actually booked McCurry when he was dragged to the ground by his marker and then had his marker wraps his hands around his throat.

There was a lot of filth from Cavan today, they didn't seem too interested in playing football.

Mcveety should have got one red. The other was a dive. McCurry also on that other incident had his two arms round Cavan man and fouled first.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: omaghjoe on July 06, 2019, 06:52:01 PM
Kinda hilarious to see some posters going stone mad about tyrone hammering another team and getting kicked around the place in the process....bitterness personified

Ref was shocking... cavan got away with murder out there and let's not forget Cassidys clear point that wasnt given.

Anyway playing well and onwards we go....
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: sid waddell on July 06, 2019, 06:54:17 PM
Cavan's performance there should knock any talk of a loser's competition on the head.

If a team can't get up for playing Tyrone to get to the Super 8 in the actual All-Ireland championship, one can only shudder at the thought of the sort of abject efforts that would be put in in a loser's competition.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 06:56:37 PM
A pathetic embarrassing showing from cavan. I genuinely thought we'd give Tyrone a scare today. If  Terry Hyland was in charge for that there would be people looking for his head.  Tyrone are miles ahead of us and the gap is widening not closing. Instead of standing up and being counted we gave up, killian Clarke did his best to get the line to avoid further shame. Woeful.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: red hander on July 06, 2019, 06:58:02 PM
Forgot about Cassidys point! Umpires are actually in a shit position to judge such things when you think about it. Should have been the refs call, but he was so bad today its no surprise he got it wrong, along with five or six other decisions. Good job it wasn't close.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Main Street on July 06, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 06, 2019, 06:40:01 PM
Ffs, even Antrim didn't get beaten by that much!!
Very poor from Cavan.
Perhaps the secret weapon, the Mickey Graham effect, was overhyped by a factor of 100.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 06, 2019, 06:40:01 PM
Ffs, even Antrim didn't get beaten by that much!!
Very poor from Cavan.
Perhaps the secret weapon, the Mickey Graham effect, was overhyped by a factor of 100.
We will never know as your two teams were booted out already.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: rrhf on July 06, 2019, 08:11:23 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 06, 2019, 06:49:21 PM
Black card the way it's used is a scourge.
It's a blemish on Gaelic football since it's inception... Seen a 13 year old being sent off in a county final by yet another incompetent misapplication in Tyrone this week. This card is one step too far for referees and is a scourge of our game. Those who argued for it to be brought in should be ashamed of themselves although their legal defence is the law of unintended consequences. In other words how could we have known any different as we know Jack shit..
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Main Street on July 06, 2019, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2019, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 06, 2019, 06:40:01 PM
Ffs, even Antrim didn't get beaten by that much!!
Very poor from Cavan.
Perhaps the secret weapon, the Mickey Graham effect, was overhyped by a factor of 100.
We will never know as your two teams were booted out already.
Booted but not shat upon.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: red hander on July 06, 2019, 08:51:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 06:56:37 PM
A pathetic embarrassing showing from cavan. I genuinely thought we'd give Tyrone a scare today. If  Terry Hyland was in charge for that there would be people looking for his head.  Tyrone are miles ahead of us and the gap is widening not closing. Instead of standing up and being counted we gave up, killian Clarke did his best to get the line to avoid further shame. Woeful.
This
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 06, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
The Rossies will be shitting themselves. Dublin and Tyrone to progress to the semi finals.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: marty34 on July 06, 2019, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: red hander on July 06, 2019, 06:58:02 PM
Forgot about Cassidys point! Umpires are actually in a shit position to judge such things when you think about it. Should have been the refs call, but he was so bad today its no surprise he got it wrong, along with five or six other decisions. Good job it wasn't close.

Just heard Mickey Harte saying, apart from the black card, that  Cassidy had a great gsme.  He even went as far as saying he congratulated him after the game!!!
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2019, 09:17:29 PM
As i said before the match Tyrone seemed to click into action during that Kildare match and its hard for teams like Cavan to stand a chance against them when in full flow however tonight they looked like a side that has been a state of depression since the draw was made. A nightmare draw for them really.


Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: yellowcard on July 06, 2019, 09:34:54 PM
Mickey Harte has proven his tactical astuteness again over the last few games and Tyrone have found their mojo again playing the style of football that suits them best. Hard running, counter attacking possession game. They don't have the quality of inside forwards up front to play any differently. If he manages to help navigate this Tyrone side through the super 8s again and into another AI final then the man is a tactical genius and is maximizing the talent at his disposal which is all you can do as a manager.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: clarshack on July 06, 2019, 09:42:43 PM
the highlight was the supporters that came in from the terracing to take penalties against the wee stewards at half time.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: omagh_gael on July 06, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
Barry Cassidy needs to go back to ref school for a black card education. Man's fecking deluded.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Mikhailov on July 06, 2019, 09:59:40 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 06, 2019, 05:58:21 PM
I'll stand my comment on his diving. It's a scourge on the game. Good luck in the last 8!

Walter, I agree 100% with you, diving is a scourge on football at the minute and the biggest culprit is your own county man. McKaigue buys fouls for fun, dives or goes to ground at contact in every opportunity and shit referees in Derry let him away with it. If Barry Cassidy and that quartet of umpires is the best Derry can offer then lord save us........
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: weareros on July 06, 2019, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 06, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
The Rossies will be shitting themselves. Dublin and Tyrone to progress to the semi finals.

We won't. We will beat ye both despite the injustice of having to play two away games and our neutral game against Dublin in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Hound on July 06, 2019, 10:20:06 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 06, 2019, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 06, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
The Rossies will be shitting themselves. Dublin and Tyrone to progress to the semi finals.

We won't. We will beat ye both despite the injustice of having to play two away games and our neutral game against Dublin in Croke Park.
Ironically it is the Roscommon complaints from the first year of the back door which has since ensured that every provincial winner must play in Croke Park.

I take it the Rossies would prefer to play the Dubs in Limerick, meaning, as Connacht champions, they do not get a Croke Park game? I agree that Roscommon, or whoever the relevant provincial champion is, should get the option of Croke Park or a stadium in a neutral province for their game against Dublin, if Dublin have nominated Croke Park as their home venue for Super 8.

Not sure what to read into Tyrone. Did absolutely everything asked of them today (and a lot more), so very impressive, but the defeat to Donegal leaves question marks.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: weareros on July 06, 2019, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 06, 2019, 10:20:06 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 06, 2019, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 06, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
The Rossies will be shitting themselves. Dublin and Tyrone to progress to the semi finals.

We won't. We will beat ye both despite the injustice of having to play two away games and our neutral game against Dublin in Croke Park.
Ironically it is the Roscommon complaints from the first year of the back door which has since ensured that every provincial winner must play in Croke Park.

I take it the Rossies would prefer to play the Dubs in Limerick, meaning, as Connacht champions, they do not get a Croke Park game? I agree that Roscommon, or whoever the relevant provincial champion is, should get the option of Croke Park or a stadium in a neutral province for their game against Dublin, if Dublin have nominated Croke Park as their home venue for Super 8.



This is an entirely different competition where a team could go out on score difference. In that respect two home games for Dublin, where it's known they will put up bigger scores in CP, and two away for Connacht Champions is a total sham. It's a big advantage to Tyrone too given Ros are their likely main challenger for the second spot, should they end up level on points.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
I wouldn't read too much into this result if you are in super 8s waiting on Tyrone. Cavan were so bad today they may as well have been playing Wicklow. I was critical of Meath against Dublin and today was just as bad. All our boys wanted to do was get sent off, not up for the real fight. I'm actually shocked by that today and I can tell you I've been around a long time and seen some awful shit.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: sid waddell on July 06, 2019, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 06, 2019, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 06, 2019, 10:20:06 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 06, 2019, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 06, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
The Rossies will be shitting themselves. Dublin and Tyrone to progress to the semi finals.

We won't. We will beat ye both despite the injustice of having to play two away games and our neutral game against Dublin in Croke Park.
Ironically it is the Roscommon complaints from the first year of the back door which has since ensured that every provincial winner must play in Croke Park.

I take it the Rossies would prefer to play the Dubs in Limerick, meaning, as Connacht champions, they do not get a Croke Park game? I agree that Roscommon, or whoever the relevant provincial champion is, should get the option of Croke Park or a stadium in a neutral province for their game against Dublin, if Dublin have nominated Croke Park as their home venue for Super 8.



This is an entirely different competition where a team could go out on score difference. In that respect two home games for Dublin, where it's known they will put up bigger scores in CP, and two away for Connacht Champions is a total sham. It's a big advantage to Tyrone too given Ros are their likely main challenger for the second spot, should they end up level on points.

Here's one for ya

Roscommon beat Tyrone by 1
Dublin beat Cork by 7
Tyrone beat Cork by 10
Dublin beat Roscommon by 6
Roscommon beat Cork (already eliminated) by 15
Tyrone beat Dublin by 4
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2019, 10:54:18 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 06, 2019, 10:20:06 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 06, 2019, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 06, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
The Rossies will be shitting themselves. Dublin and Tyrone to progress to the semi finals.

We won’t. We will beat ye both despite the injustice of having to play two away games and our neutral game against Dublin in Croke Park.
Ironically it is the Roscommon complaints from the first year of the back door which has since ensured that every provincial winner must play in Croke Park.

I take it the Rossies would prefer to play the Dubs in Limerick, meaning, as Connacht champions, they do not get a Croke Park game? I agree that Roscommon, or whoever the relevant provincial champion is, should get the option of Croke Park or a stadium in a neutral province for their game against Dublin, if Dublin have nominated Croke Park as their home venue for Super 8.

Not sure what to read into Tyrone. Did absolutely everything asked of them today (and a lot more), so very impressive, but the defeat to Donegal leaves question marks.

Main complaints i recall from Roscommon for the first year of the back door was having to play Galway again. Dublin like every other team in the last 8 should play just one Croke Park game and not 2.

I'd say Tyrone's defeat to Donegal matters as much as their defeat in Ulster to Monaghan meant last year and should they meet again i'd put my money on Tyrone to win.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: ONeill on July 06, 2019, 10:54:44 PM
What is it about Cavan and Monaghan shiteing themselves against Tyrone when it really matters? Always been that way.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: imtommygunn on July 06, 2019, 10:57:35 PM
They're pretty much not as good and they know it unfortunately. Too familiar with each other.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Rossfan on July 06, 2019, 11:56:42 PM
Poor Cavan. Felt sorry for them today.
I see the fkn Independent have  a headline "Tyrone set up Super 8 showdown with Dublin"
I suppose we should just give walkovers next 2 weeks and save our money for the trip to the new Páirc Ui Chaoimh.
When did we last play in the old one?
I'm racking the oul brain trying to recall...
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:11:39 AM
Was confident of the win, but never thought it would be as big as that. Can't believe how poor cavan were. They do not look like a team that were in a provincial final a few weeks ago, was clear they didn't think they had a chance themselves today.
They really came for their pound of flesh early on too with some of the dirty challenges and off the ball stuff.

McShane is unrecognisable from a few years ago, he's rapidly developed into Tyrones star man. Donnelly and Harte outstanding today too. Mickey Harte must have shown Morgan gaaboard during the week...

Didn't see what Hartes black card was for,  was it harsh?

Hard to pick anything bad out of that today, but we are persisting with the "old" tried and tested system of flooding defence, and we all know how that fared out in 2017. Is it really necessary to have mcshane back defending when you're 12 points up?

Dublin in Omagh is going to be some night.

Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 07, 2019, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:11:39 AM
Dublin in Omagh is going to be some night.

Won't be much of a night if Dublin and Tyrone win their round 1 and 2 games as they are expected to do,  it would make that game in Omagh more or less a dead rubber game and both resting players for the semi final.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:45:55 AM
Just saw the box Meyler got early on. Christ it's brutal. Way beyond anything which McCann did.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: cavanmaniac on July 07, 2019, 01:11:22 AM
Cavan claw their way up a few rungs of the ladder and get summarily whack-a-moled right back down by Tyrone...has a depressingly familiar look to it.

Major question marks over that group of players now, some lads out there ought to know, and show, better than that at this stage of their careers. Drawing Tyrone was a wretched, wretched turn of events for this team and manager at this stage but to emerge with literally not one scintilla of anything positive to cling to - there is the nightmare. Graham has some job on his hands now.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: From the Bunker on July 07, 2019, 01:14:31 AM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on July 07, 2019, 01:11:22 AM
Cavan claw their way up a few rungs of the ladder and get summarily whack-a-moled right back down by Tyrone...has a depressingly familiar look to it.

Major question marks over that group of players now, some lads out there ought to know, and show, better than that at this stage of their careers. Drawing Tyrone was a wretched, wretched turn of events for this team and manager at this stage but to emerge with literally not one scintilla of anything positive to cling to - there is the nightmare. Graham has some job on his hands now.

Look at the Roscommon model from last year. All is not lost!
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Main Street on July 07, 2019, 01:56:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 06, 2019, 10:54:44 PM
What is it about Cavan and Monaghan shiteing themselves against Tyrone when it really matters? Always been that way.
You're the coward of the county, you should know all about shittin' yourself.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: square_ball on July 07, 2019, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:45:55 AM
Just saw the box Meyler got early on. Christ it's brutal. Way beyond anything which McCann did.

But like O'Rourke would say it was a more manly act so it was grand.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyrone08 on July 07, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 07, 2019, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:45:55 AM
Just saw the box Meyler got early on. Christ it's brutal. Way beyond anything which McCann did.

But like O'Rourke would say it was a more manly act so it was grand.

Cant believe the lack of mentioning it has gotten from papers etc. If a tyrone player done this there would be an uproar like never before. Diving is bad but that was an actual unprovoked assault on meyler
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 07, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 07, 2019, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:45:55 AM
Just saw the box Meyler got early on. Christ it's brutal. Way beyond anything which McCann did.

But like O'Rourke would say it was a more manly act so it was grand.

Cant believe the lack of mentioning it has gotten from papers etc. If a tyrone player done this there would be an uproar like never before. Diving is bad but that was an actual unprovoked assault on meyler

If he done it on the street he'd be arrested.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Estimator on July 07, 2019, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:11:39 AM

Didn't see what Hartes black card was for,  was it harsh?


Seems like he was pinged for a trip. Similar to his previous black card against Donegal (open to correction on that).

To me Harte's technique is to plant his foot in front of the opposition player then follow with the shoulder charge. Nothing wrong with that unless it's misjudged (timing or speed or movement of attacker) and to the ref it looks like he has deliberately stuck his leg across attacking player and tripping him. Fully expect him to be playing next week.

Not sure how the linesman missed the challenge by McVeety. And a couple of yellows could have been blacks. The Cavan corner back ploughing straight into the Tyrone man on the sideline. Another ref could have deemed Cavanaghs challenge to be a black card.

Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cavan19 on July 07, 2019, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 07, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 07, 2019, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:45:55 AM
Just saw the box Meyler got early on. Christ it's brutal. Way beyond anything which McCann did.

But like O'Rourke would say it was a more manly act so it was grand.

Cant believe the lack of mentioning it has gotten from papers etc. If a tyrone player done this there would be an uproar like never before. Diving is bad but that was an actual unprovoked assault on meyler

If he done it on the street he'd be arrested.

Is if up online anywhere?
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: HokeyPokey on July 07, 2019, 12:21:22 PM
I think in fairness, nothing is ever made of 'incidents' unless it's a 'high profile team'. They'll only every really highlight something when it's Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal, Mayo, Kerry or whoever is high profile at the time. Given that they are amateurs, it's pretty unfair that someone (well paid) can broadcast criticism nationally about an amateur.

They really need to take a zero tolerance approach with a lot of things. One thing that does my head in is teams slowing up play by a foul and then stopping the free being taken quickly. They should take a rugby attitude where you are punished for repeated infringements. For a lot of players, this is their lives, so you can't really expect them not to do everything it takes. So the laws need to change.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: ONeill on July 07, 2019, 01:32:29 PM
Morgan had his Weetabix yesterday.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
I wouldn't read too much into this result if you are in super 8s waiting on Tyrone. Cavan were so bad today they may as well have been playing Wicklow. I was critical of Meath against Dublin and today was just as bad. All our boys wanted to do was get sent off, not up for the real fight. I'm actually shocked by that today and I can tell you I've been around a long time and seen some awful shit.

You can blame the 'Mickey Graham factor' for that rather shameful attitude of your lads yesterday, aided and abetted by rather woeful refereeing display, where a better referee would have nipped that right in the throw-in bud.

I can well understand the Cavan folks' bitter disappointment with that 'display' yesterday, they deserve so much better.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 03:31:18 PM
McVitty should be on the receiving end of a lengthy ban after his behaviour yesterday. Disgraceful stuff.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: giveballaghback on July 07, 2019, 04:14:29 PM
Tyrone supporters are now the football police, how ironic is that :-X
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
I wouldn't read too much into this result if you are in super 8s waiting on Tyrone. Cavan were so bad today they may as well have been playing Wicklow. I was critical of Meath against Dublin and today was just as bad. All our boys wanted to do was get sent off, not up for the real fight. I'm actually shocked by that today and I can tell you I've been around a long time and seen some awful shit.

You can blame the 'Mickey Graham factor' for that rather shameful attitude of your lads yesterday, aided and abetted by rather woeful refereeing display, where a better referee would have nipped that right in the throw-in bud.

I can well understand the Cavan folks' bitter disappointment with that 'display' yesterday, they deserve so much better.

I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Over the Bar on July 07, 2019, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
I wouldn't read too much into this result if you are in super 8s waiting on Tyrone. Cavan were so bad today they may as well have been playing Wicklow. I was critical of Meath against Dublin and today was just as bad. All our boys wanted to do was get sent off, not up for the real fight. I'm actually shocked by that today and I can tell you I've been around a long time and seen some awful shit.

You can blame the 'Mickey Graham factor' for that rather shameful attitude of your lads yesterday, aided and abetted by rather woeful refereeing display, where a better referee would have nipped that right in the throw-in bud.

I can well understand the Cavan folks' bitter disappointment with that 'display' yesterday, they deserve so much better.

I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.

And so you should, the filthy cowards.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 07, 2019, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
I wouldn't read too much into this result if you are in super 8s waiting on Tyrone. Cavan were so bad today they may as well have been playing Wicklow. I was critical of Meath against Dublin and today was just as bad. All our boys wanted to do was get sent off, not up for the real fight. I'm actually shocked by that today and I can tell you I've been around a long time and seen some awful shit.

You can blame the 'Mickey Graham factor' for that rather shameful attitude of your lads yesterday, aided and abetted by rather woeful refereeing display, where a better referee would have nipped that right in the throw-in bud.

I can well understand the Cavan folks' bitter disappointment with that 'display' yesterday, they deserve so much better.

I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.

And so you should, the filthy cowards.

In stark contrast to many other Ulster men who defend divers I might add.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: tyrone08 on July 07, 2019, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 07, 2019, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
I wouldn't read too much into this result if you are in super 8s waiting on Tyrone. Cavan were so bad today they may as well have been playing Wicklow. I was critical of Meath against Dublin and today was just as bad. All our boys wanted to do was get sent off, not up for the real fight. I'm actually shocked by that today and I can tell you I've been around a long time and seen some awful shit.

You can blame the 'Mickey Graham factor' for that rather shameful attitude of your lads yesterday, aided and abetted by rather woeful refereeing display, where a better referee would have nipped that right in the throw-in bud.

I can well understand the Cavan folks' bitter disappointment with that 'display' yesterday, they deserve so much better.

I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.

And so you should, the filthy cowards.

In stark contrast to many other Ulster men who defend divers I might add.

Have never seen 1 tyrone fan defend someone diving. But seems in your view it's better to blind side a player with a punch to the jaw than dive. V.strange view that
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 07:21:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on July 07, 2019, 06:57:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 07, 2019, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 06, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
I wouldn't read too much into this result if you are in super 8s waiting on Tyrone. Cavan were so bad today they may as well have been playing Wicklow. I was critical of Meath against Dublin and today was just as bad. All our boys wanted to do was get sent off, not up for the real fight. I'm actually shocked by that today and I can tell you I've been around a long time and seen some awful shit.

You can blame the 'Mickey Graham factor' for that rather shameful attitude of your lads yesterday, aided and abetted by rather woeful refereeing display, where a better referee would have nipped that right in the throw-in bud.

I can well understand the Cavan folks' bitter disappointment with that 'display' yesterday, they deserve so much better.

I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.

And so you should, the filthy cowards.

In stark contrast to many other Ulster men who defend divers I might add.

Have never seen 1 tyrone fan defend someone diving. But seems in your view it's better to blind side a player with a punch to the jaw than dive. V.strange view that

Where did i say that you idiot. In fact I've completely condemned the acts of the cavan players involved and called them cowards for doing it.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.

Your team came out after the break yesterday, and continued in the same knackerish vein -- if that's not down to management I don't know what is, frankly.

You call that a lecture? Poor diddums.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.

Your team came out after the break yesterday, and continued in the same knackerish vein -- if that's not down to management I don't know what is, frankly.

You call that a lecture? Poor diddums.

Your manager has put out generations of knackers on the field and blessed them with his rosary beads on the way. A total and utter f**king hypocrite. But that seems to be in the Tyrone DNA.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 08:37:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.

Your team came out after the break yesterday, and continued in the same knackerish vein -- if that's not down to management I don't know what is, frankly.

You call that a lecture? Poor diddums.

Your manager has put out generations of knackers on the field and blessed them with his rosary beads on the way. A total and utter f**king hypocrite. But that seems to be in the Tyrone DNA.

Tetchy© hardstation or what!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: ONeill on July 07, 2019, 09:17:29 PM
Ach we're all knackers.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 08:33:58 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 07, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
I dont blame Mickey Graham for the dirty digs from cavan players, I blame the players themselves. That shite is not Graham way and Any one who knows the man knows that. However, I must say it's seriously ironic to be lectured on dirty acts by a Tyrone fan. However unlike a lot of Tyrone fans I'll call out the cavan players for their cowardice yesterday and I won't trawl the bottom of the barrel to defend them.

Your team came out after the break yesterday, and continued in the same knackerish vein -- if that's not down to management I don't know what is, frankly.

You call that a lecture? Poor diddums.

Your manager has put out generations of knackers on the field and blessed them with his rosary beads on the way. A total and utter f**king hypocrite. But that seems to be in the Tyrone DNA.

Now now, I know you're hurting after yesterday's utter embarrassment, but there's no need to get on like that.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Rudi on July 07, 2019, 09:42:01 PM
Itchy is spot on, he has condemned the Cavan players for their actions and has mentioned the irony of Tyrone supporters lecturing him on sc**bag acts on the football field. One of the better posters on this board, from a county with die hard Gaa supporters unlike the Tyrone bandwagon ers.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2019, 10:05:02 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 07, 2019, 09:42:01 PM
Itchy is spot on, he has condemned the Cavan players for their actions and has mentioned the irony of Tyrone supporters lecturing him on sc**bag acts on the football field. One of the better posters on this board, from a county with die hard Gaa supporters unlike the Tyrone bandwagon ers.

Mea culpa, for sure -- he's firing out accusations there like confetti (without substantiating a single one), and for your very own information, the very first President of the Ulster Council was a Tír Eoghain man, no less than M.V. O'Nolan (from Strabane)... bandwaggoners my arse.

Sure wallow away in your embittered ignorance, why don't you.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Tyrdub on July 08, 2019, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Estimator on July 07, 2019, 11:29:43 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 12:11:39 AM

Didn't see what Hartes black card was for,  was it harsh?


Seems like he was pinged for a trip. Similar to his previous black card against Donegal (open to correction on that).

To me Harte's technique is to plant his foot in front of the opposition player then follow with the shoulder charge. Nothing wrong with that unless it's misjudged (timing or speed or movement of attacker) and to the ref it looks like he has deliberately stuck his leg across attacking player and tripping him. Fully expect him to be playing next week.

Not sure how the linesman missed the challenge by McVeety. And a couple of yellows could have been blacks. The Cavan corner back ploughing straight into the Tyrone man on the sideline. Another ref could have deemed Cavanaghs challenge to be a black card.

Normally I would agree with your description of PH's tackling, however on this occasion he lead with the other leg, a clear trip. I thought initially it was a black card, the slow mo on Sunday Game confirmed it. HOWEVER, I think he will still get off the suspension as I think the Longford card will get suppressed.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: macdanger2 on July 08, 2019, 11:04:03 AM
I think that the two trips were definite trips (in that the player fell because of Harte's foot) and the "pull down" against Longford was a a definite pull down. Whether it's a black card or not though depends on whether or not it's deliberate so in all 3 cases, it looked like his main aim wasn't to trip / pull down his man so I'd say that they weren't deliberate.

IMO, a black card should be for instances where a player makes zero effort to tackle rather than when he just makes a poor tackle
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 11:46:08 AM
Yeah that was a definite black card. I don't know that Harte intends the trip thing - I think he seems to plant one foot forward when he tackles for whatever reason and in 2 cases this has ended up tripping someone.  I haven't seen the Longford incident but Donegal and Cavan were like that.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: BennyHarp on July 08, 2019, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2019, 11:04:03 AM
I think that the two trips were definite trips (in that the player fell because of Harte's foot) and the "pull down" against Longford was a a definite pull down. Whether it's a black card or not though depends on whether or not it's deliberate so in all 3 cases, it looked like his main aim wasn't to trip / pull down his man so I'd say that they weren't deliberate.

IMO, a black card should be for instances where a player makes zero effort to tackle rather than when he just makes a poor tackle

I agree. The black card was specifically introduced to tackle cynical behaviour - not to send someone off due to a lazy or mistimed tackle. How anyone would think that a player would want to deliberatelycommit a cynical tackle with 1 minute to go, when his team 15 or so points up is beyond me. This decision by Cassidy, especially after watching Moyagh deliberately body check McGeary in plain view of the him and a linesman about 2 mins before is enough for me to suggest that the black card is a complete shambles.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fuzzman on July 08, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2019, 11:04:03 AM

IMO, a black card should be for instances where a player makes zero effort to tackle rather than when he just makes a poor tackle

I think bringing in the black card was necessary and has overall helped the game but maybe it needs refining a little bit now that we see how's it's implemented. It certainly has stopped the more obvious third man tackles and blocking off runs (although Cavan were getting away with that quite a bit of Saturday).
However, I agree with this above that it needs to be a bit more balanced in that yes it was a foul and maybe even a yellow but was it cynical? Was the player DEFINITELY trying to stop the player in purpose with no attempt to win the ball. I think most of Petey's ones were frees but I don't think you can say it was totally cynical as in trying to close out the game or drag down a man when he has already turned and beaten you? Often it was more clumsy and got his legs in the wrong place.

I can understand to a degree that Cavan had to get in Tyrone's faces and let them know they meant business which they definitely did and of course this came from their management panel. Those who know Mickey Harte know he's no angel and whilst he might not be telling players to dive, of course like any good manager he will be telling them to get stuck in and like you see in the big games like Mayo v Dublin, there will be all sorts going on.

As I said last week, I think the top 6 (or so) teams are at a very different level to those under them like Cork, Meath and Roscommon (dangerous to say I know). They just seem to suffocate those teams and make it very hard for them to get scores and then pick them off with much easier scores.
I'd say teams like Cavan, Monaghan and the Rossies must be fed up meeting Tyrone most years. Maybe Rossies will finally take their chance this weekend.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 12:43:00 PM
What time in a match and what the score is should have absolutely no bearing on a referee's decision.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: BennyHarp on July 08, 2019, 12:53:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 12:43:00 PM
What time in a match and what the score is should have absolutely no bearing on a referee's decision.

Yeah, i agree but if you put the word "deliberate" into the rule then you are automatically removing the decision being solely on the tackle and then your are required to subjectively measure intent - therefore other factors should be considered when a tackle is hardly an obvious card. The rule needs to be looked at again as it is not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 08, 2019, 08:25:11 PM
Looks like the Tyrone lads had a sing-song on the way home.......

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: BennyHarp on July 08, 2019, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 08, 2019, 08:25:11 PM
Looks like the Tyrone lads had a sing-song on the way home.......

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)

They were just watching Alan Partridge on the way home.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: omaghjoe on July 08, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Poor form to be fair....

No point in rubbing it in the Cavan lads faces after a hiding like thon.
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 10, 2019, 01:10:15 AM
To be fair I have that song on fair and often in the car. there's a German lad does a deadly version of it on you tube. A pity she doesn't give out as quick about bonfire causing danger to property. If it's good enough to be played on the BBC they hardly got much to complain about
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Fuzzman on July 12, 2019, 10:46:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
And the top 6 are?

Laughed when reading the Irish news just now where Cahair OKane said the 'big six' plus Meath and Cork.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//sport/gaafootball/2019/07/12/news/breakdown-if-the-world-stopped-now-who-d-be-in-the-allstar-full-forward-line--1661500/content.html
Title: Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2019, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 12, 2019, 10:46:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
And the top 6 are?

Laughed when reading the Irish news just now where Cahair OKane said the 'big six' plus Meath and Cork.

http://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//sport/gaafootball/2019/07/12/news/breakdown-if-the-world-stopped-now-who-d-be-in-the-allstar-full-forward-line--1661500/content.html

At least he named 6 teams. You talked about a top 6 and could only name 5 teams.