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Eamonnca1

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Re: British Forces training at Curragh Camp?
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2017, 05:34:17 PM »
Am I right in saying there's no neutrality written into the free state constitution?

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Re: British Forces training at Curragh Camp?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2017, 05:43:29 PM »
If you take James Mc Clean as the litmus test,I doubt if he'd be happy
I wouldn't be happy either after that result!!

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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2017, 07:32:53 PM »
Am I right in saying there's no neutrality written into the free state constitution?

Where is this Free State you refer too?
We have declared for an Irish Republic. We will live under no other law

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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2017, 07:41:20 PM »
Am I right in saying there's no neutrality written into the Irish constitution?

You are correct. Military non-alignment has merely been a policy. Same as the Triple-Lock. There is a common misconception that they are both in the constitution.

Non-alignment makes a lot of sense, and allows flexibility. The triple-lock however is a pathetic mechanism, which basically says we as a state don't trust ourselves to make our own decisions. Yet, we will allow China and Russia to have a say.

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Re: British Forces training at Curragh Camp?
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2017, 07:47:00 PM »
What's this Triple lock?
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Re: British Forces training at Curragh Camp?
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2017, 08:12:16 PM »
What's this Triple lock?

For Irish troops to deploy overseas it needs “triple lock” approval. That entails Dail approval, governmental approval, and UN Security Council approval. The first two make complete sense of course. In 2003 Irish troops were to deploy to Macedonia under the EU banner (as they currently do in Bosnia and Mali, and did in Chad too recently). There was no UN Security Council mandate for the region as China vetoed. So, as a result of the Chinese veto we didn’t allow ourselves to deploy.

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2017, 08:26:20 PM »
Thanks Shark.
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2017, 12:11:57 PM »
Tony.

Any objection to the RAF being first responders if Russian aircraft get to close to the Irish coast?

Our paper airplanes wouldn't be much use.

I object because of the stupidity of the excuse rather than on on the grounds that the RAF have access.

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2017, 12:15:37 PM »


You are correct. Military non-alignment has merely been a policy. Same as the Triple-Lock. There is a common misconception that they are both in the constitution.

Non-alignment makes a lot of sense, and allows flexibility. The triple-lock however is a pathetic mechanism, which basically says we as a state don't trust ourselves to make our own decisions. Yet, we will allow China and Russia to have a say.

Yip the bad guys have a say, so do the good guys though.

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Re: British Forces training at Curragh Camp?
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2017, 09:02:01 PM »


You are correct. Military non-alignment has merely been a policy. Same as the Triple-Lock. There is a common misconception that they are both in the constitution.

Non-alignment makes a lot of sense, and allows flexibility. The triple-lock however is a pathetic mechanism, which basically says we as a state don't trust ourselves to make our own decisions. Yet, we will allow China and Russia to have a say.


Yip the bad guys have a say, so do the good guys though.

Who are the good guys? The ones who ploughed into Iraq without UN approval?
« Last Edit: November 20, 2017, 10:37:36 AM by johnneycool »

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Re: British Forces training at Curragh Camp?
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2017, 10:37:08 PM »
What's this Triple lock?

For Irish troops to deploy overseas it needs “triple lock” approval. That entails Dail approval, governmental approval, and UN Security Council approval. The first two make complete sense of course. In 2003 Irish troops were to deploy to Macedonia under the EU banner (as they currently do in Bosnia and Mali, and did in Chad too recently). There was no UN Security Council mandate for the region as China vetoed. So, as a result of the Chinese veto we didn’t allow ourselves to deploy.

As a policy does it exist at the whim of any party in government? Perhaps it is useful for parties not having to take real world decisions about participation in UN operations.

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Re: British Forces training at Curragh Camp?
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2017, 10:46:50 PM »
Is there any of the Dublin women going down to service the British troops like they did in 1916
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Re: British Forces training at Curragh Camp?
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2017, 03:13:08 PM »
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Who are the good guys? The ones who ploughed into Iraq without UN approval?

Yip the bad guys have a say, so do the good guys though.
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