Can someone tell me how this works??
Who is eligible to play for the regional teams and is it seen as a good thing down in Kerry?
Every player in Kerry, regardless of their actual home club has a chance of winning a senior championship every year (East Kerry etc).
Pretty much the gist of it ?
This might help...
www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/explainer-the-great-labyrinth-that-is-the-kerry-senior-championship-38674313.html
The following explainer should really be pieced together using Venn diagrams and shaded maps, such are the labyrinth of interwoven layers and overlaps that constitute the unique Kerry senior football championship.
To understand it, you really have to live it. Thus, those of us from outside can struggle to understand the intricacies of clubs, divisions and clubs within those divisions that align with different amalgamations.
From time to time other counties will study Kerry's tangled web and come to the conclusion that it can serve them well too, improve their standards just as it has driven Kerry standards over many years.
Until they try to spin it in their own ecosystem. District teams don't seem to cut it anywhere else, with the exception of Cork. Like stonework, some are just held together by time and it endures.
Kerry's primary competition is the senior football championship which concludes tomorrow when reigning champions Dr Crokes play East Kerry in Tralee.
But they also have an eight-team senior club championship – complemented by intermediate, junior and novice championships – which, as the title suggests, is for clubs only and is concluded prior to the inter-county championships.
Austin Stacks won that and, if Crokes fail to defend their title, will represent Kerry in the Munster club championship.
With just eight teams in its senior club championship, it makes the standard of Kerry intermediate football stronger than any other counties, many of whom have double the number of senior clubs. And, consequently, Kerry clubs have the strongest hand in the All-Ireland intermediate and junior club championships. All eight senior clubs also participate in the senior football championship in the autumn.
There they are joined by nine district teams or amalgamations made up of the remaining teams outside the senior clubs that compete in their own right.
Kerry football is divided into eight district boards – East, West, Mid, South, North, Tralee, St Brendan's and Kenmare District.
It's here that it gets really complicated for the outsider. The South Kerry division has nine teams – St Michael's Foilmore, St Mary's Cahirsiveen, Dromid Pearses, Renard, Skellig Rangers, Valentia, Waterville, Sneem and Derrynane. As none currently have senior status, the South Kerry team can draw from all nine.
The West Kerry division caters for five clubs – An Ghaeltacht, Lispole, Dingle, Castlegregory and Annascaul, but as Dingle have senior status, representing West Kerry this year fell to the other four.
North Kerry has 15 clubs in its jurisdiction but they spread out to play with three different teams in the Kerry SFC, Feale Rangers, Shannon Rangers and St Kieran's. Feale Rangers draw from Listowel, Finuge, Duagh, St Senan's, Moyvane and Clounmacon, while Shannon Rangers are served by Tarbert, Ballydonoghue, Asdee, Beale, Ballylongford and Ballyduff.
Three more 'north' clubs – Castleisland, Knocknagoshel and Brosna – play with St Kieran's, an amalgamation that crosses three divisions for the purpose of fielding another senior championship team in the north-east of the county. Ballymacelligott are Tralee District and Scartaglen, Currow and Cordal are 'east' but play senior football under the St Kieran's banner.
The Tralee District also contains clubs like Ballymacelligott, Kerins O'Rahillys, Austin Stacks and John Mitchels, but as Stacks and O'Rahillys are senior clubs, and Ballymac' play with St Kieran's, John Mitchels link up with St Brendan's, another divisional team which also draws from Na Gaeil, St Pat's Blennerville, Ardfert and Churchill, all from the Tralee area.
East Kerry has 13 clubs but with three already 'seconded' to St Kieran's and Killarney Legion, Dr Crokes, Kilcummin and Rathmore being senior clubs in 2019, the East Kerry team has been left to Firies, Fossa, Spa, Glenflesk, Gneeveguilla and Listry.
With Rathmore relegated, the likes of Paul Murphy and Shane Ryan will really strengthen East Kerry's hand in 2020. The Mid Kerry division draws from Beaufort, Cromane, Glenbeigh-Glencar, Keel, Laune Rangers, Milltown/Castlemaine.
Further south, Kenmare District comprises Kenmare Shamrocks, Templenoe, Kilgarvan and Tuosist but with Shamrocks and Templenoe both senior in 2020, it will weaken their hand. There are plans for all four clubs to disperse to other districts for competitive purposes in 2020.
For those who live it, it makes perfect sense and provides a games programme that no other county can match and a pathway for every player in every club to win a Kerry county senior medal.
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
Brilliant idea I think, although not really fair on teams from other counties when it comes to Munster/AI Championship. Also didn't know until yesterday that Kerry had a senior championship earlier in the year with just the club teams and that the winners of that go into Munster club if a regional team wins the championship.
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
They do. They just don't tend to do very well. The Intermediate champions in Dublin are the 33rd best team. Senior B is in effect an Intermediate championship now. Thomas Davis won that last year. You'd imagine they would have won Leinster Intermediate last year, had they been in it.
Quote from: shark on November 11, 2019, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
They do. They just don't tend to do very well. The Intermediate champions in Dublin are the 33rd best team. Senior B is in effect an Intermediate championship now. Thomas Davis won that last year. You'd imagine they would have won Leinster Intermediate last year, had they been in it.
Jaysus. 32 teams in the senior championship? Out of interest, how many club teams are there in Dublin?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 11, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
Brilliant idea I think, although not really fair on teams from other counties when it comes to Munster/AI Championship. Also didn't know until yesterday that Kerry had a senior championship earlier in the year with just the club teams and that the winners of that go into Munster club if a regional team wins the championship.
The club championship consists of only 8 teams I believe, it's a closed shop.
The Dublin format isn't great. The Intermediate winners play in the Senior B championship. A Provincial and All Ireland intermediate sounds better then winning a B Senior Championship.
It's a shambles of a format, makes a mockery of the thing.
So do they Kerry senior club champions just train away on the off-chance that a divisional side might win the senior football championship? Where do the east Kerry go for their post match celebrations?
Quote from: general_lee on November 11, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
So do they Kerry senior club champions just train away on the off-chance that a divisional side might win the senior football championship? Where do the east Kerry go for their post match celebrations?
Austin Stacks played their final county league game on Saturday...a facile 4-15 to 1-6 victory over already relegated St. Mary's Caherciveen. They were put out of the county championship on 29 September, losing to eventual champions East Kerry by 3-13 to 3-7.
East Kerry are sponsored by The Shire Bar in Killarney, so I imagine that's where celebrations started/ended.
There are rumours that the Kerry County Board are examining the entire district structure this year. Some realignment may occur, and it is possible the Kenmare District may cease to operate, with clubs being amalgamated into South and East Kerry and a Castleisland District may be born/reborn.
It is also heard that the 8 senior club number may be expanded, but not sure what the options being discussed are, or how far advanced the discussions have progressed.
I think it's a brilliant structure to be honest.
Quote from: shark on November 11, 2019, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
They do. They just don't tend to do very well. The Intermediate champions in Dublin are the 33rd best team. Senior B is in effect an Intermediate championship now. Thomas Davis won that last year. You'd imagine they would have won Leinster Intermediate last year, had they been in it.
And both beaten this weekend
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/boughal-and-craobh-exit-leinster-championship
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
It's also very unfair for Dublin and Cork clubs where their 33rd and 25th best club effectively are taking on the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc.
Tyrone, Mayo, Meath, etc. should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series.
The Dublin teams do enter the provincial c'ship but usually lose early on.
The Dublin intermediate champions Ballyboughal lost to the Kilkenny senior champions (senior) Mullinavat by a goal after going down 3-6 to 0-1 after 20 min!
Dublin are weak are these grades due to having so many senior clubs but also because of the super clubs which might have up to 6 adult teams.
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
I watched their senior final as well as both semis due to being televised, it was of extremely poor quality. The club scene there on that viewing is not great - surprisingly so if I'm being honest. St Vincents v St Judes was absolutely shocking.
Obviously however they have all correct with regards to IC scene.
Quote from: blanketattack on November 11, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
It's also very unfair for Dublin and Cork clubs where their 33rd and 25th best club effectively are taking on the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc.
Tyrone, Mayo, Meath, etc. should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series.
The Dublin teams do enter the provincial c'ship but usually lose early on.
The Dublin intermediate champions Ballyboughal lost to the Kilkenny senior champions (senior) Mullinavat by a goal after going down 3-6 to 0-1 after 20 min!
Dublin are weak are these grades due to having so many senior clubs but also because of the super clubs which might have up to 6 adult teams.
Dublin and Cork probably have the 2 biggest football playing populations so should have more than 16 senior clubs. The likes of Leitrim, Fermanagh would be more than entitled to only have 8. Kerry are the biggest anomaly though as they should have far more than 8 to keep the All Ireland intermediate and junior championships fair.
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 11, 2019, 03:22:30 PM
Dublin and Cork probably have the 2 biggest football playing populations so should have more than 16 senior clubs. The likes of Leitrim, Fermanagh would be more than entitled to only have 8. Kerry are the biggest anomaly though as they should have far more than 8 to keep the All Ireland intermediate and junior championships fair.
These competitions will never be fair. They were created by a Kerry GAA President to suit Kerry teams.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on November 11, 2019, 02:36:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
I watched their senior final as well as both semis due to being televised, it was of extremely poor quality. The club scene there on that viewing is not great - surprisingly so if I'm being honest. St Vincents v St Judes was absolutely shocking.
Obviously however they have all correct with regards to IC scene.
I thought that initially but there was a high level of intensity which impacted the quality imo. Players had no time on the ball to look up and make the pass.
Quote from: blanketattack on November 11, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Kerry should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series as they have a completely unfair advantage due to their Championship structure.
Effectively the 9th best club in Kerry would face the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc which is unfair.
What's the reason Dublin don't have representatives at inter and junior level in rte AI series.
It's also very unfair for Dublin and Cork clubs where their 33rd and 25th best club effectively are taking on the 17th best club in the likes of Tyrone, Mayo, Meath etc.
Tyrone, Mayo, Meath, etc. should not be allowed enter teams in the intermediate and junior All Ireland series.
The Dublin teams do enter the provincial c'ship but usually lose early on.
The Dublin intermediate champions Ballyboughal lost to the Kilkenny senior champions (senior) Mullinavat by a goal after going down 3-6 to 0-1 after 20 min!
Dublin are weak are these grades due to having so many senior clubs but also because of the super clubs which might have up to 6 adult teams.
The issue with both Dublin and Cork its they call their 2nd tier county championship a senior competition.
Dublin call their 1st tier Senior 1 and Cork call it Premier Senior.
Dublin call their 2nd tier Senior 2 and Cork call it Senior A.
Croke Park should tell counties - senior is reserved for the top tier competition - less of the false advertising.
I doubt there would be all that much opposition to the winners of Dublin's 2nd tier and Cork's 2nd tier entering the intermediate provincial competitions and their third tier entering the Junior provincials as opposed to the current system where their third tier teams enter the 2nd tier of provincial competitions.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 01:58:13 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 11, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
So do they Kerry senior club champions just train away on the off-chance that a divisional side might win the senior football championship? Where do the east Kerry go for their post match celebrations?
Austin Stacks played their final county league game on Saturday...a facile 4-15 to 1-6 victory over already relegated St. Mary's Caherciveen. They were put out of the county championship on 29 September, losing to eventual champions East Kerry by 3-13 to 3-7.
East Kerry are sponsored by The Shire Bar in Killarney, so I imagine that's where celebrations started/ended.
And Caherciveen, would they be a junior club? Is league football taken seriously in Kerry? Like how does a division 1 club keep its players motivated when one week they're playing a proper "senior" club and the next they're playing a junior club. Do they just field weakened teams?
Quote from: general_lee on November 11, 2019, 04:20:23 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 01:58:13 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 11, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
So do they Kerry senior club champions just train away on the off-chance that a divisional side might win the senior football championship? Where do the east Kerry go for their post match celebrations?
Austin Stacks played their final county league game on Saturday...a facile 4-15 to 1-6 victory over already relegated St. Mary's Caherciveen. They were put out of the county championship on 29 September, losing to eventual champions East Kerry by 3-13 to 3-7.
East Kerry are sponsored by The Shire Bar in Killarney, so I imagine that's where celebrations started/ended.
And Caherciveen, would they be a junior club? Is league football taken seriously in Kerry? Like how does a division 1 club keep its players motivated when one week they're playing a proper "senior" club and the next they're playing a junior club. Do they just field weakened teams?
That would be normal in a lot of counties. In mayo Colm Boyle's club Davitts are senior but play in division 3 of the league. While there are intermediate clubs in division 1, junior clubs in division 2 etc.
My ranking of the importance of Kerry's competitions to players:
1) County Championship
2) Club championships, senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior, novice
3) divisional championships
4) county league
5) divisional league
My opinion is all...some might switch 2 and 3.
From my experience, 1 & 3 are almost equal footing and ahead of 2. Unless you are a 'big' club, then 1 is obviously clear ahead. I know in Dromid, if you offered them a choice, it would be fairly 50-50 whether they'd like a South Kerry Championship, or to play with South Kerry and win a championship. And South Kerry has a very definite identity, as it's all more or less based around Cahirciveen. They all go to school there, shop there, nightclub there etc. the Geographic circumstances of the Iveragh penninsula contributes definitely. I'm not sure a Feale Rangers or Saint Brendans or even East Kerry would have that same sense of identity.
The Mary's chose not to play senior county championship I think, is that correct?
I see the point that some lads make about the inherent advantages a Kerry champion in the lower grades have, but I think those lads are assuming way too much about the importance of the County League. Clubs in Kerry are rated on their championship performance, and it's completely separate from the Championships.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 11, 2019, 07:18:31 PM
From my experience, 1 & 3 are almost equal footing and ahead of 2. Unless you are a 'big' club, then 1 is obviously clear ahead. I know in Dromid, if you offered them a choice, it would be fairly 50-50 whether they'd like a South Kerry Championship, or to play with South Kerry and win a championship. And South Kerry has a very definite identity, as it's all more or less based around Cahirciveen. They all go to school there, shop there, nightclub there etc. the Geographic circumstances of the Iveragh penninsula contributes definitely. I'm not sure a Feale Rangers or Saint Brendans or even East Kerry would have that same sense of identity.
The Mary's chose not to play senior county championship I think, is that correct?
I see the point that some lads make about the inherent advantages a Kerry champion in the lower grades have, but I think those lads are assuming way too much about the importance of the County League. Clubs in Kerry are rated on their championship performance, and it's completely separate from the Championships.
The 9th best club in Kerry get put through into the intermediate grade every year. I don't think Kerry should be allowed enter teams into the All Ireland series. You could maybe understand it if it was Leitrim, Longford or Fermanagh who have small picks but Kerry is a football mad county with a huge number of clubs, they should not be allowed manipulate the system. It's fine if they want to do their own thing with their county championship but it's not a level playing field when it comes to intermediate and junior provincial and All Ireland series.
Is there another county championship with under 10 clubs taking part?
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.
Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage. Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.
If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas. The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.
Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.
Other big counties having 8 senior clubs would only make the problem worse in the intermediate and junior all Ireland championships. Kerry are free to run their championship however they want but the likes of Templenoe shouldn't be allowed compete in an intermediate championship outside the Kerry.
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 11, 2019, 08:33:10 PM
Other big counties having 8 senior clubs would only make the problem worse in the intermediate and junior all Ireland championships. Kerry are free to run their championship however they want but the likes of Templenoe shouldn't be allowed compete in an intermediate championship outside the Kerry.
Why not?
Less than a decade ago Templenoe languished in division 5 of the Kerry county league...48 teams ahead of them.
Here's their rise through the club championship ranks in Kerry, remember that the only way to move up a grade is to win your current competition:
2013 Won Novice, promoted to Junior
2014 Lost Junior quarter final
2015 Won Junior, and won All-Ireland Junior title (beating Ardnaree Sarsfields from Mayo in the final by 4-13 to 1-9)
2016 Lost Intermediate final to Kenmare Shamrocks
2017 Lost Intermediate final to An Ghaeltacht
2018 Lost Intermediate semi-final to Kilcummin
2019 Won Intermediate (beating An Ghaeltacht in the final)
2020 Will play Senior club championship
From 2020 onwards does not paint a pretty picture as population is declining rapidly. It is almost a freak coincidence that a small rural club can provide 4 players to the county team panel. Without the 4 county men, Templenoe were relegated from div 1 this year...indeed they could not field a team one August weekend and had to forfeit...something unheard of in the top 3 or 4 divisions, let alone division 1.
If Kerry had 12 senior teams, then Templenoe would have won novice, junior and intermediate a few years earlier...that's the only difference in my view.
There are stories that Kerry will realign divisions and increase the number of senior clubs soon, but I cannot confirm, or even quote a source, on that.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 11, 2019, 08:33:10 PM
Other big counties having 8 senior clubs would only make the problem worse in the intermediate and junior all Ireland championships. Kerry are free to run their championship however they want but the likes of Templenoe shouldn't be allowed compete in an intermediate championship outside the Kerry.
Why not?
Less than a decade ago Templenoe languished in division 5 of the Kerry county league...48 teams ahead of them.
Here's their rise through the club championship ranks in Kerry, remember that the only way to move up a grade is to win your current competition:
2013 Won Novice, promoted to Junior
2014 Lost Junior quarter final
2015 Won Junior, and won All-Ireland Junior title (beating Ardnaree Sarsfields from Mayo in the final by 4-13 to 1-9)
2016 Lost Intermediate final to Kenmare Shamrocks
2017 Lost Intermediate final to An Ghaeltacht
2018 Lost Intermediate semi-final to Kilcummin
2019 Won Intermediate (beating An Ghaeltacht in the final)
2020 Will play Senior club championship
From 2020 onwards does not paint a pretty picture as population is declining rapidly. It is almost a freak coincidence that a small rural club can provide 4 players to the county team panel. Without the 4 county men, Templenoe were relegated from div 1 this year...indeed they could not field a team one August weekend and had to forfeit...something unheard of in the top 3 or 4 divisions, let alone division 1.
If Kerry had 12 senior teams, then Templenoe would have won novice, junior and intermediate a few years earlier...that's the only difference in my view.
There are stories that Kerry will realign divisions and increase the number of senior clubs soon, but I cannot confirm, or even quote a source, on that.
It's nothing against Templenoe, fair play to them for having a golden generation. The issue is with the 9th best club in Kerry competing at intermediate level outside the county.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.
Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage. Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.
If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas. The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.
Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.
But none do, to me it reeks of manipulation.
No county to my knowledge has a senior championship with less that 10 teams in it other than Kerry and Kerry is a county with a huge football tradition, a big population and a huge number of clubs. It's designed to manipulate their advantage at intermediate and junior level and in the AI series and I don't think they should be permitted to enter clubs in junior and intermediate AI level while they run their senior championship is such a closed shop manner.
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.
Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage. Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.
If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas. The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.
Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.
But none do, to me it reeks of manipulation.
No county to my knowledge has a senior championship with less that 10 teams in it other than Kerry and Kerry is a county with a huge football tradition, a big population and a huge number of clubs. It's designed to manipulate their advantage at intermediate and junior level and in the AI series and I don't think they should be permitted to enter clubs in junior and intermediate AI level while they run their senior championship is such a closed shop manner.
It is not "designed" to create an advantage in intermediate and junior level and in the AI series, but that may be a consequence of it.
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.
Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage. Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.
If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas. The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.
Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.
But none do, to me it reeks of manipulation.
No county to my knowledge has a senior championship with less that 10 teams in it other than Kerry and Kerry is a county with a huge football tradition, a big population and a huge number of clubs. It's designed to manipulate their advantage at intermediate and junior level and in the AI series and I don't think they should be permitted to enter clubs in junior and intermediate AI level while they run their senior championship is such a closed shop manner.
Also helps their county junior team a lot
Quote from: armaghniac on November 11, 2019, 09:50:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.
Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage. Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.
If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas. The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.
Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.
But none do, to me it reeks of manipulation.
No county to my knowledge has a senior championship with less that 10 teams in it other than Kerry and Kerry is a county with a huge football tradition, a big population and a huge number of clubs. It's designed to manipulate their advantage at intermediate and junior level and in the AI series and I don't think they should be permitted to enter clubs in junior and intermediate AI level while they run their senior championship is such a closed shop manner.
It is not "designed" to create an advantage in intermediate and junior level and in the AI series, but that may be a consequence of it.
I would feel it is. It's designed to give all their club sides an advantage on the AI scene.
Only 3 of their Clubs get to play in the "All Ireland scene" which is just a bonus add on thingy anyway.
The real competition for Club teams is their own County Championships.
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 11, 2019, 09:50:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 11, 2019, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.
Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage. Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.
If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas. The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.
Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.
But none do, to me it reeks of manipulation.
No county to my knowledge has a senior championship with less that 10 teams in it other than Kerry and Kerry is a county with a huge football tradition, a big population and a huge number of clubs. It's designed to manipulate their advantage at intermediate and junior level and in the AI series and I don't think they should be permitted to enter clubs in junior and intermediate AI level while they run their senior championship is such a closed shop manner.
It is not "designed" to create an advantage in intermediate and junior level and in the AI series, but that may be a consequence of it.
I would feel it is. It's designed to give all their club sides an advantage on the AI scene.
Open to correction but I think they "designed" this system before the inter and junior club AIs even existed. Sneaky kerry hoors
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Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.
Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage. Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.
If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas. The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.
Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.
But none do, to me it reeks of manipulation.
No county to my knowledge has a senior championship with less that 10 teams in it other than Kerry and Kerry is a county with a huge football tradition, a big population and a huge number of clubs. It's designed to manipulate their advantage at intermediate and junior level and in the AI series and I don't think they should be permitted to enter clubs in junior and intermediate AI level while they run their senior championship is such a closed shop manner.
It is not "designed" to create an advantage in intermediate and junior level and in the AI series, but that may be a consequence of it.
I would feel it is. It's designed to give all their club sides an advantage on the AI scene.
Open to correction but I think they "designed" this system before the inter and junior club AIs even existed. Sneaky kerry hoors
Yes indeed...and then it was Sean Kelly who brought in the club All-Ireland...plan took 80 years or so, but we got there.
How many Kerry GAA Presidents before Sean, you ask?
None.
Obviously.
I don't think there are many more than ten in Antrim.
What was their structure before the intermediate and junior all Ireland came in. If it was different they are rigging it otherwise they are not -simple as that!
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Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.
Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage. Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.
If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas. The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.
Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.
But none do, to me it reeks of manipulation.
No county to my knowledge has a senior championship with less that 10 teams in it other than Kerry and Kerry is a county with a huge football tradition, a big population and a huge number of clubs. It's designed to manipulate their advantage at intermediate and junior level and in the AI series and I don't think they should be permitted to enter clubs in junior and intermediate AI level while they run their senior championship is such a closed shop manner.
Fermanagh, Offaly and Carlow.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 04:58:08 PM
My ranking of the importance of Kerry's competitions to players:
1) County Championship
2) Club championships, senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior, novice
3) divisional championships
4) county league
5) divisional league
My opinion is all...some might switch 2 and 3.
More questions:
Are the divisional championships played between club teams in that Divisional area as oppose to between divisional sides?
Do club senior teams play in all these championships? Is there separate reserve teams or what?
Is there a divisional teams only competition?
Finally, is there a reason the County Championship is played this time of year? Weather being shite and all that.
To your last question Kerry were in the All Ireland Final which went to a replay .
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 10:30:00 PM
Also helps their county junior team a lot
There are only 5 counties who take part in the Junior All-Ireland who are restricted to intermediate and junior players (Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath)
Every other county can pick players from senior teams.
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I don't think there are many more than ten in Antrim.
What was their structure before the intermediate and junior all Ireland came in. If it was different they are rigging it otherwise they are not -simple as that!
They've had divisional clubs in Kerry way back before the intermediate and junior all-Ireland came in.
The first senior club All-Ireland was actually won by East Kerry.
I'm convinced that the divisional structures are a huge part in Kerry's intercounty success.
I was thinking about all this structure business today and I was wondering if there was any possibility of the GAA introducing a 4th (and possibly a 5th) level of club All-Ireland competitions.
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Also helps their county junior team a lot
There are only 5 counties who take part in the Junior All-Ireland who are restricted to intermediate and junior players (Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath)
Every other county can pick players from senior teams.
+ Kildare
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Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 11, 2019, 04:58:08 PM
My ranking of the importance of Kerry's competitions to players:
1) County Championship
2) Club championships, senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior, novice
3) divisional championships
4) county league
5) divisional league
My opinion is all...some might switch 2 and 3.
More questions:
Are the divisional championships played between club teams in that Divisional area as oppose to between divisional sides?
Do club senior teams play in all these championships? Is there separate reserve teams or what?
Is there a divisional teams only competition?
Finally, is there a reason the County Championship is played this time of year? Weather being shite and all that.
Divisional Championships are played within each division only and usually occur in November/December. The North Kerry championship is often described as the toughest football championship to win (and equally tough to play in, by some reports), although the quality has dipped in the last few years. This year, East Kerry championship is at quarter-final stage right now, with Dr. Crokes playing Kilcummin this Saturday 16 Nov. South Kerry's championship often concludes on St. Stephen's Day, much to the delight of visitors - AZ can add more on the local rivalries in that corner of the world.
Senior teams only in divisional championships. There are very few "reserve" teams in Kerry (referred to as B teams), with one major exception in Dr. Crokes B playing in Division 2 of the County League this year. Most B teams (and a Dr. Crokes C team) play in Division 5 of the county league and have no other games. Kerry clubs also have a Friday night junior league to play in, run by the County Board, but I'm not certain what qualifies or prevents a player in participating and not all clubs field a team. The county board are missing a trick in not getting those Friday night games on some sort of broadcast - "Friday Night Fights by Players Not So Light".
I might add that a club's senior team in Kerry is what you might call the first team - even if in division 5 of the county league. So the Kilgarvan senior team plays in the county novice championship...ok?
No divisional teams competition exists at this time, although back a few decades there was a "Kerryman Shield" competition to give the divisional sides competitive action before the county championship started up.
Regarding timing of the county championship, that is entirely driven by the county team's exit from the All-Ireland. Pre-Super 8's, the first round was always held the week after the Munster Final which greatly helped the back end of the championship.
This year saw the first round set for 14/15 September (All-Ireland final on 1 Sept), but the replay scuppered that. Instead Rounds 1, 2 and 3 were played on consecutive weekends starting the weekend after the All-Ireland replay. One Rd 3 game was postponed a week, but all quarter finals were played on 19/20 October. Semi-finals the following weekend, with one replay on 3 Nov. Final on 10 November and Munster club game for Kerry representatives (Austin Stacks) on 17 November, since they won the Club championship back in April (senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior and novice championships held and completed in April).
A Dr. Crokes player on the county team has played 6 county championship games since the All-Ireland replay on 15 September, and has an East Kerry quarter final this Saturday and they will be hoping for more games into December.
Weather has not caused any postponements so far, shite and all as it might be.
EDIT: I must add that each divisional area also runs a league competition, usually held in February/early March before the county league starts. In East Kerry, it is known as the East Kerry Super League...no premierships or any ordinary titles. A good preseason-type tournament that gets each club 4 or 5 games early in the year.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on November 11, 2019, 10:30:00 PM
Also helps their county junior team a lot
There are only 5 counties who take part in the Junior All-Ireland who are restricted to intermediate and junior players (Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath)
Every other county can pick players from senior teams.
+ Kildare
Apologies - I thought Kildare had applied to change this a few years back.
I was told by a Co Board source that Ros didn't enter a Junior team this year as we could only pick Junior/Inter Club players as we'd played Div 1 NFL.
Was that a new regulation or was it there all the time?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 12, 2019, 09:51:03 PM
I was told by a Co Board source that Ros didn't enter a Junior team this year as we could only pick Junior/Inter Club players as we'd played Div 1 NFL.
Was that a new regulation or was it there all the time?
Never heard this part of the regulation.
My understanding was that Central Council decided it on a county by county basis.
Didn't ever hear what criteria they used.
Could well be true, however I'd be a bit sceptical of this being used as an excuse as a number of the teams who have pulled out of playing Junior have ciited the cost as the reason and Roscommon's finances don't seem too healthy based on McStay's book. Roscommon were included in the draw for the Connacht Junior Championship in 2019 (drawn against Leitrim) I'd imgaine the loss the year before against Mayo didn't help matters.
Great answers thanks!
The amount of games in Kerry seems to be very good. The training to game ratio must be nice with so many competitions.
A final question - How many of these competitions would County players be involved in?
At a guess i'm thinking minimal involvement in the leagues, available for club, county and divisional championships?
Edit: It would appear that all the championships have a different order of importance but all carry prestige and are taken seriously?
Quote from: outinfront on November 13, 2019, 10:00:36 AM
Great answers thanks!
The amount of games in Kerry seems to be very good. The training to game ratio must be nice with so many competitions.
A final question - How many of these competitions would County players be involved in?
At a guess i'm thinking minimal involvement in the leagues, available for club, county and divisional championships?
Edit: It would appear that all the championships have a different order of importance but all carry prestige and are taken seriously?
County players will play in the club championships (senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior and novice) in April and in both county and divisional championships, which don't start until the county season is over.
The last round of the county league is usually after the county season is over as well, so a club with a county man will be stronger if promotion or relegation is in the balance.
For the average club player who doesn't make it to the divisional team, he will have the following minimum number of games:
Feb/March: 3 divisional league games (possible semi and final)
March-Sept: 11 county league games
April: 3 club championship group games (possible semi and final or 2 relegation games)
Oct-Dec: 1 divisional championship game minimum
So that's a minimum of 18 games a year. Being on a divisional team or being part of a senior club team guarantees at least two games in the county championship.
What is the difference between the club and the county championship? Unless I'm reading your post wrong and there is no difference
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What is the difference between the club and the county championship? Unless I'm reading your post wrong and there is no difference
The club championship is purely for clubs...divided into senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior and novice. The only way to progress upward is to win your level...of course there is relegation between levels as well. The winners of the intermediate and premier junior represent Kerry in the Munster club championships.
The county championship is for the 8 senior clubs and the divisional sides representing all the remaining clubs in the county. The county champions, if a club team, will represent Kerry in the Munster club championship. If a divisional side wins the county championship (like this year with East Kerry, a conglomerate of 6 clubs), the senior club champions, Austin Stacks in 2019, will represent Kerry in the Munster club championship.
So Austin Stacks now enter the Munster club because Dr Crokes lost to East Kerry at the weekend... utter toilet.
The gerrymandering of grades resulting in dominance of Intermediate and Junior club grades is tragic too.
Bit of a flat track bully vibe going on down there, a bunch of piss artists when its put up to them at all levels.
What a silly comment.
Quote from: tiempo on November 14, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
So Austin Stacks now enter the Munster club because Dr Crokes lost to East Kerry at the weekend... utter toilet.
The gerrymandering of grades resulting in dominance of Intermediate and Junior club grades is tragic too.
Bit of a flat track bully vibe going on down there, a bunch of piss artists when its put up to them at all levels.
It is designed to make football in the county as competitive as it possibly can be. The County Championship is especially competitive. Winning provincial/all-Ireland intermediates and juniors is way down the order of priorities. It may put them at a significant advantage but this is a bi-product not the aim of the system.
As already discussed, Dublin having a Senior A and Senior B championship greatly disadvantages the intermediate and junior teams that progress to provincials. Although this system is different from Kerry the purpose is to make the county's championships competitive. Intermediate and junior provincial success is not a priority.
That's what I take from it anyway. I think the system is excellent. There's David Clifford who plays for Fossa in intermediate (possibly junior?)championship has now won the major championship with East Kerry thanks to this divisional system. Whilst he is obviously a stand out player it does give other decent players who play with their clubs at lower standards a shout at getting into and winning 'the main event'.
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Quote from: tiempo on November 14, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
So Austin Stacks now enter the Munster club because Dr Crokes lost to East Kerry at the weekend... utter toilet.
The gerrymandering of grades resulting in dominance of Intermediate and Junior club grades is tragic too.
Bit of a flat track bully vibe going on down there, a bunch of piss artists when its put up to them at all levels.
It is designed to make football in the county as competitive as it possibly can be. The County Championship is especially competitive. Winning provincial/all-Ireland intermediates and juniors is way down the order of priorities. It may put them at a significant advantage but this is a bi-product not the aim of the system.
As already discussed, Dublin having a Senior A and Senior B championship greatly disadvantages the intermediate and junior teams that progress to provincials. Although this system is different from Kerry the purpose is to make the county's championships competitive. Intermediate and junior provincial success is not a priority.
That's what I take from it anyway. I think the system is excellent. There's David Clifford who plays for Fossa in intermediate (possibly junior?)championship has now won the major championship with East Kerry thanks to this divisional system. Whilst he is obviously a stand out player it does give other decent players who play with their clubs at lower standards a shout at getting into and winning 'the main event'.
Spot on. I wouldn't be one to give undue credit to Kerry but the way they run their club football is perfect. If you're a decent footballer in Kerry you won't be overlooked no matter who you play for, that's how you put your best possible county team out.
Remember they were doing this way before the tallest dwarf competitions appeared.
And it got them 37 All Irelands.
So how many 'clubs' could represent Kerry in Munster?
Im PRO with lancashire GAA. We hosted Kerry in the All Ireland Semi-Final in 2016. We held them to a draw at half time. They got three goals at start of second half to pull away. Adrian spillane got man of the match. . Jason Foley also played that day.
Two Kerry clubs, Skellig Rangers and brosna have beaten the Lancashire Champions, John mitchels twice, in All-Ireland's junior Championship Final by narrow margins.
Quote from: theticklemister on November 14, 2019, 05:43:37 PM
So how many 'clubs' could represent Kerry in Munster?
Im PRO with lancashire GAA. We hosted Kerry in the All Ireland Semi-Final in 2016. We held them to a draw at half time. They got three goals at start of second half to pull away. Adrian spillane got man of the match. . Jason Foley also played that day.
Two Kerry clubs, Skellig Rangers and brosna have beaten the Lancashire Champions, John mitchels twice, in All-Ireland's junior Championship Final by narrow margins.
They (Templenoe) played Ardnaree in the final that year and gave them a horrible embarrassing beating. As an area Templenoe were/are punching above their weight in the Kerry League and Championship. But to let what is essentially a Intermediate B team into the All Ireland Junior series is a farce.
Quote from: theticklemister on November 14, 2019, 05:43:37 PM
So how many 'clubs' could represent Kerry in Munster?
Im PRO with lancashire GAA. We hosted Kerry in the All Ireland Semi-Final in 2016. We held them to a draw at half time. They got three goals at start of second half to pull away. Adrian spillane got man of the match. . Jason Foley also played that day.
Two Kerry clubs, Skellig Rangers and brosna have beaten the Lancashire Champions, John mitchels twice, in All-Ireland's junior Championship Final by narrow margins.
One of the 8 senior clubs represents Kerry in Munster senior championship.
Kerry have 16 intermediate, 16 premier junior (the winner of which represents Kerry in the Munster junior championship), 16 junior teams and 12 novice teams.
That's 68 stand-alone clubs. Only senior, intermediate and premier junior winners go on to Munster, so technically 40 clubs are eligible to represent Kerry.
A good footballer from any of the 60 non-senior clubs will be able to play in the county championship with one of the 9 divisional sides, which is the whole point of having divisions.
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Quote from: theticklemister on November 14, 2019, 05:43:37 PM
So how many 'clubs' could represent Kerry in Munster?
Im PRO with lancashire GAA. We hosted Kerry in the All Ireland Semi-Final in 2016. We held them to a draw at half time. They got three goals at start of second half to pull away. Adrian spillane got man of the match. . Jason Foley also played that day.
Two Kerry clubs, Skellig Rangers and brosna have beaten the Lancashire Champions, John mitchels twice, in All-Ireland's junior Championship Final by narrow margins.
They (Templenoe) played Ardnaree in the final that year and gave them a horrible embarrassing beating. As an area Templenoe were/are punching above their weight in the Kerry League and Championship. But to let what is essentially a Intermediate B team into the All Ireland Junior series is a farce.
Beat lancashire and British champions, John Mitchels of Liverpool 2- 08 v 0-06. Tadgh morley was the captain. Gavin Crowley Player as did the spillanes if I remember rightly. They brought some support. I got to interview pat Spillane. Got
Quote from: Rossfan on November 14, 2019, 02:57:18 PM
And it got them 37 All Irelands.
The Kerry boys will tell you it's 38. ;)
15 Dec results in Kerry divisions:
North Kerry final: St. Senan's 2-6 Brosna 0-5
East Kerry final: Killarney Legion 1-18 Dr. Crokes 3-6
South Kerry semi-finals: St. Mary's 2-6 Valentia 1-8; Dromid Pearses 1-8 Renard 0-8
Remaining fixture:
South Kerry final: St. Mary's v Dromid Pearses next Sunday 22 Dec in Portmagee 2pm.
EDIT: Today in Rathmore, Austin Stacks beat Rathmore in the County League Div 1 final on penalties (4-3) after extra time. From next year onward, there will be no Div 1 final...team with most points after 11 games wins the league. Play-off if teams tied on points (no score difference rule).
I'll be down in Portmagee next Sunday at the Dromid game, hoping they can spring the upset. The Marys will be favourites, but they scraped by Valentia.
I may have missed this so apologies if I have. My question relates to the Kerry Divisional championships. Do all clubs in a Divisional area, regardless off status (senior/intermediate/junior/novice) enter? Are the championships a straight knockout competition?
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 18, 2019, 11:22:23 AM
I may have missed this so apologies if I have. My question relates to the Kerry Divisional championships. Do all clubs in a Divisional area, regardless off status (senior/intermediate/junior/novice) enter? Are the championships a straight knockout competition?
All clubs are in the divisional championship Seanie. Straight knock-out (no back door), but there is often some sort of seeding involved. In East Kerry, as I recall, the four semi-finalists one year get a bye to the quarter finals the following year and are kept separate in the quarter-final draw. That may or may not still be in place, but most divisions have some sort of seeding to allow a few preliminary games earlier in the year.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on December 18, 2019, 11:22:23 AM
I may have missed this so apologies if I have. My question relates to the Kerry Divisional championships. Do all clubs in a Divisional area, regardless off status (senior/intermediate/junior/novice) enter? Are the championships a straight knockout competition?
All clubs are in the divisional championship Seanie. Straight knock-out (no back door), but there is often some sort of seeding involved. In East Kerry, as I recall, the four semi-finalists one year get a bye to the quarter finals the following year and are kept separate in the quarter-final draw. That may or may not still be in place, but most divisions have some sort of seeding to allow a few preliminary games earlier in the year.
Thanks for that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 16, 2019, 02:44:43 PM
I'll be down in Portmagee next Sunday at the Dromid game, hoping they can spring the upset. The Marys will be favourites, but they scraped by Valentia.
Draw in Portmagee: St. Mary's 1-6 Dromid Pearses 0-9.
Awaiting Az's report...seems there was some after game activity on this one. No details so far, but could the photoshopped arm make a Christmas return for Dromid?
Edit: Replay on 19 January due to Kerry team holiday in the meantime.
So as far as I can see Divisional winners 2019:
North Kerry: St Senans
East Kerry: Legion
South Kerry: Dromid
West Kerry: Dingle
Mid Kerry: Milltown/Castlemaine
Are there divisional championships for Tralee, Kenmare and St Brendan's Districts?
Fantastic win for Dromid. I was at the drawn game, when Dromid started brightly, but fell behind against the wind and looked like they were in big trouble, only for Mary's to withdraw into their shell, and invite Dromid on. A couple of late frees forced the replay.
The replay looked like a very nip and tuck affair on twitter, and from reports. Extra time, though, and Dromid seemed to be the ones with the legs and with the possession. Great win for my brother in law at 43 or 44 years of age, came off the bench :)
Kerry GAA Football Schedule 2020
1. County Team
NFL: Jan 25 Dublin in Dublin; Feb 1 Galway in Tralee; Feb 9 Tyrone in Omagh; Feb 23 Meath in Killarney; Feb 29 Mayo in Castlebar; March 15 Monaghan in Iniskeen; March 22 Donegal in Killarney. Note: Div 1 final set for March 29.
Munster Championship: semi-final May. 24 v Cork in Cork. Note: Final set for June 21
AI Qualifiers: June 27 and July 4
Super 8's: July 12, July 19, August 1
All-Ireland series: Semi-final August 9, Final August 30.
2. Clubs
February: 16 and 23 District Leagues
March: 1st – District Leagues; 8 and 15 – Co. League Rds 1 and 2; 22nd – District Leagues, 29th – club championship if county not in NFL final.
April: 5th, 12th and 19th – Club championships group games; 25th – Senior Club final; 26th – Intermediate and Junior club semi-finals.
May: 3rd - Intermediate and Junior club Finals; 17th and 23rd – County League Rds 3 and 4.
June: 7th, 14th, 20th – Co League Rds 5, 6 and 7. 28th – Co League Rd 8 for dual clubs only.
July: 5th, 12th and 26th – Co League Rds 8, 9 and 10. 21st and 30th – U21 championship.
August: 6th and 13th – U21 semi-finals and final; 29th – County Championship qualifier if county not in All-Ireland Final.
September: 1st- County Championship qualifier if county in All-Ireland Final; 6th – Co League Rd 11 (final round); 13th, 20th and 27th – County Championship.
October: 4th – District championships; 11th – County Championship quarter-finals, 17th – District championships, 18th - County Championship semi-finals, 24th - District championships; 25th – County Championship Final, 31st - District championships.
November: 1st - County Championship Final Replay if necessary; 8th and 15th – District championship and Munster club; 22nd – District; 28th Munster Club finals; 29th - District.
December: 12th and 13th – All-Ireland Club semi-finals.
This could easily go in the WTF thread - I see last year's Munster SFC finalists will be masquerading as an intermediate club for the 2023 season...
Quote from: general_lee on October 23, 2022, 05:51:01 PM
This could easily go in the WTF thread - I see last year's Munster SFC finalists will be masquerading as an intermediate club for the 2023 season...
100% sir. A total farce. And TG4 to show East Kerry v Mid Kerry in the final next Sunday. They'd want to nip that craic. Kerins O'Rahillys after winning the other championship today and they'll enter Munster? Ok lads
TG4 would of been safer showing the Mayo final - two sides that haven't won it in quite some time - rather than a squad of intermediate / junior clubs fired together under the banner of East Kerry, who cannot enter the Munster competition.
Good luck to Austin Stacks in their laughable journey to All Ireland Intermediate Champions 2023.
Kerry structure their Championships to suit their circumstances and good luck to them.
Meanwhile in the Hyde an exciting end to a close contest as Strokestown bet Boyle with a last minute winner before the biggest SF Final crowd in many years.
Bad injury to Cian McKeon (knee) while Strokestown's Paddy Brogan also injured.
I wouldn't advise anyone to be looking for anything doing in Strokestown tomorra! ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on October 23, 2022, 08:06:43 PM
Kerry structure their Championships to suit their circumstances and good luck to them.
It's a fairly ridiculous set up in fairness. Stacks won 13 championship games at senior level this year, drew 2 and lost 3. They're somehow intermediate next year. Time Munster council stepped in, let Kerry enter a representative from their "Premier" Junior into the Munster intermediate for next year.