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[greenday are probably the best of the modern bands and they barely rank beside the likes of bon jovi]

music in the usa definitely has a lot more guitars involved, greenday are probably the best of the modern bands and they barely rank beside the likes of bon jovi,whitesnake etc.  i have a few friends big into rock and they play bars but the rock stuff goes over the heads of the younger crowd.

This made me laugh, Bon Jovi is for people with zero taste in anything.

I always get a laugh out of music snobbery. People trying to be cool by rubbishing something mainstream.

Yes, Moloney has a 'history' with the Republican movement, in much the same way as Nally Stand has a 'history' with the British Army.  Is Moloney going to be allowed to express his 'agenda-driven' thoughts on the matter, like we're expected to allow Nally Stand to do?

I'd expect both NS and Moloney to be allowed to express their opinions. But i'd also expect that people would be allowed to challange them if they disagree.

A great post by Ed Moloney 
http://thebrokenelbow.com/

Sinn Fein would have to grow and develop – and be led – like a normal political party. The problem for Sinn Fein is that it is not a normal political party. It came to life as an offshoot of the IRA and it continues to behave, particularly in the way it handles its internal affairs, as an offshoot of the IRA, where obedience to an all-controlling leadership comes before all else.
The symptoms of this were visible in the years after the 2007 electoral setback with a series of resignations from party ranks in both parts of Ireland – perhaps twenty in all – and most damagingly in Dublin. Perhaps the most telling of these was the defection of Dublin councillor Killian Forde to the Labour Party in January 2010, a rising star who many predicted would go far. He chose his words carefully when he resigned but their import was unmistakable:

"The leadership of the party appeared to not recognise or were unwilling to accept that changes are long overdue. These changes were essential to transform the party into one that values discussions, accommodates dissent and promotes merit over loyalty and obedience. It is only logical that if you disagree with the direction of the party and are unable to change it there is no option but to leave."

He didn't put a name to the problem but we all know who he was talking about. Last week Gerry Adams was chosen as leader of the new, expanded Sinn Fein group in the Dail, replacing the dull but dependable Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin. He was picked for the job in the same way as Sadam Hussein was in Iraq, Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and Josef Stalin in Soviet Russia, with no rival or dissent worthy of the name and success absolutely assured. His selection has to be ratified by the Sinn Fein Ard Comhairle and it surely will be, as all his wishes have been.

Great post my eye. It could be completely reversed by someone who wanted to defend SF. They could highlight the strong leadership, lack of friction between members etc as a strength of SF.

Then to link Hussein, Mubarak and Stalin with SF on such a weak point just looks agenda driven.

[Also the Old IRA, Die Hards and National Army while committing heinous acts, their raison d'etre was defeat of the enemy as opposed to the Provos which seemed to be death, destruction and terror]

The IRA waged a campaign against the guards?

The Guards were legitimate targets, if you want to be precise

Who is doing yoir research for you?
IRA Vols were forbidden from engaging in any form of confrontation with the Guards and did not regard them as legitimate targets.

So when unarmed Guards died, that was just one of those things

It's a long way from the IRA "waging war" on the Gardaí isn't it though? And it's no more "one of those things" than unarmed victims of the Old IRA were "one of those things" when looked through the rose tinted glasses of the Mayo's of this world.

Does not legitimise it in one way, however that was the 1920's and this is 2011. You are not comparing like with like, not becasue of the activities of the Old or Provisional IRA (despite the Provos caused alot more civilian deaths) but due to the fact you would find it hard to find a FG or FF member who was involved in terrorism, I'm not so sure it would be as difficult with Sein Féin.

Also the Old IRA, Die Hards and National Army while committing heinous acts, their raison d'etre was defeat of the enemy as opposed to the Provos which seemed to be death, destruction and terror. The Provos claimed to fight for a cause, but to most people outside the rose tinted Provo family it came across as hate fueled mayhem.

But again, why are the people of the 26 counties accused by our northern cousins of living in the past, when it is clearly the people of the 6 who are obsessed about events that happened nearly a century ago. Of course I must be a Blueshirt facist because in the ever so recent 1930's  a tiny tiny tiny minority of one of the many groups that went on to form Fine Gael indulged in childish Roman salutes in an ex-army association set up to defend desenters against IRA mobs who attacked political rallies of those that dare disagree with them, while Dev used the National Army to protect his party followers and left the rest at the mercy of the RA.

I'd say it was the above highlighted line that got NS back up. As the majority of attacks were on the British security forces it could be argued that they were equally as involved at defeating the enemy as the "old IRA". Therefore it would be hard to accept the acts of one  and not the other.

Indeed it is. I'm no lover of SF or defender of the IRA but your debating over the last couple of pages has been poor. NS made a simple point that the majority of the IRA's attacks were on British security forces (Whether this was moral or not is another question). Instead of pointing to a source showing something to contradict this you have put up emotive pictures to try and slip away from his point. He never said all the attacks were against the seciurity forces. If he had your pictures may have had a relevance. But again considering he didn't, their pointless. 

[once again]

Might I once again ask you, have you anything other than pictures of specific acts or do you rely on sensationalist generalisations? The IRA carried out thousands of attacks. The vast majority of which were on british security forces. Do your photos disprove this?

You remind me of the mule
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EhQVo7lWS8

It is my opinion that I have satisfactorly dealth with this question. You can't use force to change a persons opinions. 26 County politics is going to be a very frustrating experience for Sinn Féin, I can see it all now 

In my opinion you most definitely haven't.

So if he talks sh*te that gives you the right to do the same?

No wonder you get abuse on here considering you spout crap so often. Then you wonder why people don't trust what you say!

Like I say, who f**king cares. People don't LIKE what I say, but I have never, ever been wrong on anything I posted.

As I say, I couldn't give a fúck anymore. TD are dead. Gone. I predicted this 4 years ago. But I'm not 'trusted'.

People on this site need to grow up and realise that members of the GAA like me who argued against batshit spending on nonsense were right. Look at today's Indo or Examiner. The GAA hierarchy are lining up to prepare you for the worst. The problems coming down the line will make the LoI look like a walk in the park.

You have been wrong on things you've posted, not least I don't believe that Rovers would have better attendance so you crying that your always right doesn't impress anyone when it's been shown you've lied. Hardy pointed out one of these earlier. So that's why your not "trusted". 
I've no doubt that there'll be hard times ahead for the GAA, much the same as any other organisation. But I know I'd have more faith in the GAA coming out of it stronger than the LOI.

So if he talks sh*te that gives you the right to do the same?

No wonder you get abuse on here considering you spout crap so often. Then you wonder why people don't trust what you say! 

Considering there has been no actual attendance figures that have been backed up by any links I'd struggle to believe that Rovers would have better attendance than any counties bar maybe one or two. And definitely not Div 1 county teams.

[They would get crowds that dwarf every other club on the island and more than most]

Who mentioned anything about a parade? So you are too embarrassed to admit only 200 turned out on a Monday to see the league title come home, wow what great fans. Can you answer the question for where you got your information for over 3,000 season ticket sales? Facts here are TD's have far more members than Shamrock Rovers and would have had more use for the stadium than you're lot.

Please answer the above ^^^^^

Rovers won the league on the last day of the season away from home. They have not had any games since then to parade the trophy. Was it a kids game or a function of some sort? I have no idea what you are talking about, and in fact I don't actually care.

A simple google search  - they sold their 2010 th ticket for 2010 in January 09. Two months before the season began.

http://www.airtricityleague.ie/index.php/community/cpo-objectives/shamrock-rovers

1,850 around the same time last year.

http://shamrockrovers.ie/news/latest-news?71cce52574d4d86948f2109dfa3ec02e=emyvbhnz&start=25

I anecdotally heard they shifted in the region of 3,000 season tickets last year and that evidence backs it up.

Now explain how a mid size GAA club would have 'more use' for a 7,000 seater venue than the largest professional soccer club on the island? They would get crowds that dwarf every other club on the island and more than most county sides. Bear in mind that you said this would be a 'fact'

Not true. League is soccer's major competition. The equalivent in GAA is the AI. And then any county team would have more than rovers best attendance!!
You don't help yourself when you come out with crap like that.

As mentioned my points are in reference to the OP. The opening post was in regards to an atheist getting his views attacked by a couple of fellow employees. He then moved on from this to take this to mean that atheists are now viewed as outcasts.
My point is that similar has happened iceman on this thread so he too could claim to be an outcast in the context of the OP. Indeed I have to say on this board more so than anywere else people who support organised religion have come "under attack" for their beliefs.

So no I don't believe it would make iceman incorrect. Much the same as I don't believe it makes you correct.

Fair enough. But I notice that nobody decided to quiz the opening poster on how or why he felt like an outcast because he was an Atheist, yet there has been a couple on here to quiz it when Iceman mentions that he feels like an outcast for similar reasons for being a catholic.

To me this kinda backs up Iceman's point.

As mentioned before I'm assuming Iceman means outcast in the terms of the OP. In which case he is correct.

But your wrong Myles. The Catholic church aren't against this. This is adult stem research. The catholic church only has issues with Embryonic Stem-Cell Research.
So your kinda taking this of track without a reason just to get another pop at the catholic church.

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so
Many others her age, she considered herself to be a very Liberal
Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in Favor of
Higher taxes to support more government programs, in other Words
Redistribution of wealth.


She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch
Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the Lectures that
She had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she
Felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to
Keep what he thought should be his.


One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to Higher
Taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The
Self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to Be the
Truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by Asking how
She was doing in school.


Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and
Let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that She was
Taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which
Left her no time to go out and party like other people She knew. She
Didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many
College friends,  because she spent all her time studying.


Her father listened and then asked , 'How is your friend Audrey
Doing?' She replied, ' Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are
Easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She Is
So popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited
To all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for
Classes because she's too hung over.'


Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's
Office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your
Friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA, and
Certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.' The
Daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired
Back, 'That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really
Hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard
Work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played
While I worked my tail off!'



The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to The
Republican party.'


If you ever wondered what side of the fence you sit on, this is a
great test!

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for Everyone.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

if a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!) 

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have
A good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended". 

To be honest, there's a lot of crap in that. For example:
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

Could be turned as follows:
If a liberal doesn't want to have an abortion, she doesn't have one
If a conservative doesn't want an abortion, she wants nobody to be able to have one


or
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

That one is just wrong.
If conservatives don't agree with rock music, they'll protest for censorship;

If a conservative doesn't want to attend a gay pride event; they don't want anyone else attanding it either.


The arguments hold no water.

that's not very funny.