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#33841
I came across this pigeon interview by chance today. What a superb article it is.

22 Sept 01
Tom Humphries meets and chats with Meath manager Seán Boylan, who over the years has put the Fantasia into the county's never-ending story

There is no beginning.
At his ease, Seán Boylan walks you through his world. His little daughter, Doireann tags after him while the sun makes his hair silver in the morning. Here he stores the herbs. And he pauses for a story. Here he dries the herbs. Another story. No, two. Here, well hold on till I tell you. . . . .No beginning. His people have been here since 1798 practising this serene trade and before that they were in Tara doing the same thing. His life is a great ganglion of people and stories, each strand connected through Seán to something else, someone else.His head is a cavernous store of unlikely links and odd anecdotes which he gathers together under the general heading, comical scenes. As in, I'll tell ya it was a comical scene there for a while.Everest? When the lads went in 1993 Seán Boylan gave them a herb to make their tea with. It helped them cope with the altitude. "Gas thing," he says, "a Vincentian priest brought me father the original plant from the Himalayas all the way to Dunboyne back in the '30s".
The national struggle? His Father General Seán Boylan was interned in Frongoch for six weeks longer than anyone else and was up for execution next in the queue behind Ceannt before John Dillon made his speech to parliament. Once, long ago in the 1960s, an interviewer called to Seán to talk about the herbs. Seán inquired where he was coming from. The man was on his way from Roscommon.  "I was doing a little piece on an old by-election down there."
"Ah", says Seán, "North Roscommon 1917."
"Yes," says the man, "how did you know that?"
"Sinn Féin's first seat," said Seán. "My father was the election agent."
"I don't believe you."
"Well, I'll tell you this then. Joe McGuiness (the original prisoner candidate 'put him in to get him out') was replaced by a man called Martin Conlon. His wife Peig was my godmother."
"I don't believe you."
And the interviewer walked the earth for a long time afterwards telling people that Seán Boylan was the most monosyllabic man he'd ever met. "He didn't believe me," says Seán now settling over his cup of tea. "What did he expect? Aw, a comical scene." He is wantonly open to the wonder of the world around him. Famously, he is late for everything, reluctant to cut himself off from one experience to hurry himself to another. People and their stories always matter more than timetables and in Seán Boylan people and their stories converge like strands of a magic realist novel.  His parents, to whose care he devoted much of the middle part of his life, are fondly remembered in many of the stories he tells. Which brings us to the eternal mystery of Seán Boylan. How can a man who drags around the epithet "genial" like it were his birthmark, how can a manager with so little swash to his buckle turn out teams so backboned by steel. There is a toughness to Meath football and to Meath teams which doesn't merely spring from the character of the players, it is transfused into their blood. Once, years ago, he recalls heading up to Armagh to Paddy Quinn's house. For a man fascinated by politics it was like an anthropologist's heaven up there. In the one family you had IRA, Sinn Fein, civil rights, Peoples Democracy, Republican Fianna Fail. Everything.  "Halfway through the night," he says casually, "I knew I had pneumonia. I ended up in the Mater the next day. When I was in hospital I went unconscious and while I was out one of the radiators broke in the house here in Dunboyne and a fella arrived from the Veha factory to look after it. He knocked. And he said "is this General Seán Boylan's house?". Now my father never used the title in his life but he said, "it is".
"I'll tell you a great story," the man said, "remember we were picked up in Swords and we went on to Dunboyne and there were four Boylans to be taken away. The English army captain apologised to Mrs Boylan for having to take her four sons. Her answer was that she was only sorry she didn't have four more to worry him with." There were two people in Dunboyne village at the time not ashamed to be associated with the Boylans. Louis Magee's (the Irish triple crown player) wife and Mrs Yeats the great grandmother of Tina Yeats whom Seán married. Funny thing about the Veha man's story. Seán's father died some time later and General Costello told the same story again on the night of the wake.  You stay with Seán when he is telling you a yarn because some other thought will crop up in his teeming brain and urgently campaign to be aired. Obligingly, he will loop back for it before picking up his original thread again.  All those years tending his father and then his mother should have withered him. There's too much zest in him, though. As a young fella he had his beloved hurling. Even in Belvedere College as a kid he'd drag his hurl everywhere with him.  He had the dreams too. As a 10-year-old he watched Meath win the 1954 All-Ireland and that was it. He wanted to wear the green jersey. He wore it on hurling fields for over 20 years, dabbling in football. Friends told him he was crazy. Good football teams were being put together, trips to Australia could be had. Never cost him a thought.  And he went out every night. His wife Tina, says that Seán's mother taught herself and every one of her friends how to drink and smoke but Seán himself was playing truant that week. Neither vice interested him yet he knew every club in Dublin. He'd leave the house in Dunboyne close to pub closing time and be gone for hours on end.
Then he drops a little surprise in.  Of course, there was the go-karting, too. "What?"Amidst all this serenity and intuition, there is an unquenchable love for the roar of motor racing. He used go to hurling matches with his go-kart strapped to the back of the car. He went on fire once in Mondello, raced in Monasterboice, Askeaton, all the Irish road circuits, internationally even. And at night they'd boot around Dunboyne. One rule only, stick to the left. Blessed that they weren't killed, he thinks. Blessed. Jim Collier was the local guard and he had it bad too. He'd arrange for a squad car to give the lads the lights on the road. And away they'd go roaring between the hedgerows.  When Seán was a kid they had motorbike racing in Dunboyne. Brian Naylor, who still holds the lap record, would leave his car in the Boylan's garage and, while he practised and raced, the kids of Dunboyne sampled the springs in his Maserati. Whatever was in that Maserati rubbed off. Some of it anyway. Once, Seán went to Monte Carlo and left after the practice sessions missing the race altogether. He had to get back home because Carnaross were opening their pitch and Meath were playing a challenge there. The lads denounced him as mad. Certifiably so.  But that's his life. Sample the flavour of everything. For a man whose family have lived in the one spot for over 200 years, he is remarkably open to new ideas. The variety and volume of ideas he has brought to the business of training the Meath team since 1982 are legendary. He says that much of it is intuition, an abstract which he relies upon faithfully. "Sometimes, I'll look at the lads and I'll know what I planned for them is all wrong. I'll just tear it up in my head and start again." Another story. Some years ago he was seeing a woman. As life wore on after the deaths of his parents he was conscious of the pure loneliness of having nobody to tell his day to in the evenings. He recalls the first Christmas Eve night after both his parents were gone, coming home, turning on a record. "I cried like a child, but I was happy at home." Yet, some part of him was always resistant to company. "As the fella says, I'd be only going steady when I'd have to break up." But there was this woman, a lovely girl and he'd seen here a few times and on Christmas Eve she called to the house and left in a present for him. A videotape. The Dead Poets Society. It was a good and thoughtful gift but Seán looked at it, knew the effect it would have on him and knew he wouldn't be able to watch it for months. He knew too that he couldn't see the woman anymore. Just knew it wasn't right for him. Tina Yates was home from the convent that year. Tina had come to the Boylans as a kid looking for summer work and right through school herself and seven friends whom Seán's family fondly nicknamed the choir worked amid the herbs and the pleasant smells.  This Christmas Seán ran into Tina's parents as they were going down to Caffrey's in Batterstown. They asked him to call down. He said he was going to town and he'd call in later. Duly he did and they had the chat and afterwards Tina, still a Daughter of Charity, came home to Dunboyne in his car. Nothing unusual there. Seán was 20 years older but comfortable in the company of priests and nuns. They talked. They said goodbye.
That was Christmas. Tina left the convent in March. That August, Seán had two social engagements and invited Tina along. That night he'd just asked her to marry him when the doorbell rang. It was two weeks before they got back to the subject. By Christmas they were married, had the reception in a marquee on the worst night ever sent. Lights went, Comical scene. Sure enough, when he watched the Dead Poets Society it had an overwhelming effect on him, the poetry, the loyalty, the very idea of people affecting people so powerfully.  This intuition . . . He told the team a long story before the third Westmeath game this summer about being abroad once years ago and feeling that the driver they had given him to get him to the airport on time was going to crash. Sure enough. This led him to his thoughts on the importance of being ready, stressing unusually the importance of being ready to play with 14 men.Afterwards, looking back on the match and the sending-off of Hank Traynor, some of the players remarked on this to Brian Smyth who works with Seán almost as an interpreter for the benefit of players with questions, complaints, troubles, worries etc. Brian told them that the previous week he had been travelling with Seán to Gormanstown in the jeep, when suddenly on a clear stretch of perfectly normal road, he saw Seán press his thumb to the windscreen. There were no loose stones on the road yet a half minute later a stone smashed against the windscreen! Brian Smyth turned to his friend and asked why he'd placed his thumb on the screen. Seán said he just felt it would happen.   Once, he went to London to see a man in Westminster hospital. The man's family asked him to go. Their son was dying of cancer, they said. They met Seán there and took him aside. "Listen," they said, "he hasn't cancer, he has Aids." He remembers it was a Bank Holiday Monday and Tina and himself had just become engaged. He went into the ward. The man was in bed. Six stone gone off him in two months and a stare that told Seán that he didn't want him there.  Seán was easy with that. The man was a gifted musician and only for the intervention of his illness would at that time have been beginning life as the soloist for a major European orchestra. So he just stared at Seán balefully for 15, 20 minutes.Meanwhile, Seán talked to the man's brother. The Chelsea physic gardens were down the road and Seán talked about them. "It was like having to brag a little bit to let the man in the bed know I had something, some knowledge."The man had a racking cough. Finally, Seán asked if he'd mind if Seán placed his hand on his back. Another five, six, seven minutes passed. The man turned over. Seán placed his hand there. Fluid on the wall of the lung. Instantly, the man settled. He let a big yawn and settled.Seán rose to leave and in the corridor he met the man's parents. There was sugar coating it. He's going to die, but he's at peace, he said, now we're going down to the Abbey.  And off he went looking for Tina.  "I found her outside. She was talking to this old woman who was sitting on the wall. Tina introduced her as Bridie. This was a woman from Derry who had been in an enclosed order and left. She never went home again for the shame of it. she slept in doorways for 23 years afterwards and Tina had helped her when she was a nun in London. She'd give her breakfast and tea. She and Tina were standing there having a smoke.  Bridie was talking about Mother Theresa and Cardinal Hume. Seán was enthralled. Finally, when they said goodbye it was time to turn back towards the hospital. Seán spoke to Tina about Bridie, the wonder of her being asked to build a hospital by Cardinal Hume. And Tina said "sure that's all in her dreams".  "And you said nothing?"  "Sure isn't she happy?"   "I'll never forget that. This man upstairs who had everything and this poor woman below sitting in the doorway. Some lesson."That's the life which informs his football. The joke used to be that if he stuck around long enough the Meath team would make a manager of him. He made winners of them though and produced teams of such character that they define our whole view of the county they spring from.Small beginnings. An O'Byrne Cup. The Centenary Cup. He remembers 1986 losing a league quarter-final to Dublin by a point. Beforehand, Brian Mullins jokingly placed an arm around his shoulder and said, "Seán you'll win the league and we'll win Leinster". Seán knew that day, in his blood he knew it that it would be the other way around.Tomorrow, he goes looking for his fifth All-Ireland as a manager. Dublin have won just two during his tenure. He has learned lots, he says. Even about drink. "There's affinity between men who go out and have a drink together that people like me will never be part of," he says. "I used to talk to lads in the pub and they'd be complaining about something and I'd go away and get it fixed and I'd meet them again and say hey, I got that fixed up and they'd say what? Looking at me as if I had 10 heads. It was just talk, their chance to get things off their own chest. I was intruding."
And it's not all moments from the desiderata either. He is tough and resilient. He remembers on an All Star tour in 1988 Ciarán Duff of Dublin passing his table with a pint in his hand and nodding towards the stage of a pub in Boston. "There's only one man can save that fella from himself," said Duff, "and that's you."  Whooping it up on stage at that moment was one of the best footballers in the country. Jinksy! David Beggy. Meath were due to play Dublin in a National League replay two weeks later. Beggy was enjoying himself. It was 4.15 in the morning. People always said to Seán not to be so horrid hard on Jinksy, but now Seán said nothing. Not till they got to San Francisco late in the trip.  "You love the music, Dave," said Boylan in a quiet moment.
"Yeah, I love the music and I love the oul showing-off," said Jinksy walking towards the propellors.  "What must it be like to play music in front of 20,000 or so people," mused Seán, "imagine that feeling." "Must be amazing," agreed Jinksy. "Is it like that playing football in front of that many people Dave," asked Boylan. "It is a bit Seán, yeah," said Jinksy, still walking.  "And do you think that you'll ever play in front of that big a crowd again?" Silence. "Oh lord Jesus," Jinksy said.  End of story. And never another word. Or take the spring of this year. Dublin played Meath in a challenge in Santry in a foggy Saturday morning. Two teams putting the foot-and-mouth lay-off behind them. Some things can't be put behind anyone though and Vinny Murphy's brawn was soon the lingua franca of the game. Trevor Giles suffered a few heavy blows and the game was getting out of hand.  Suddenly and incredibly for the Dubs who had never seen this before, Seán Boylan exploded. Popped like a geyser. Over the line, on the field, straight towards Murphy. They had to rush to hold him back. "Yeah" he says now. "I felt that it was over the top. I lost the head completely. Nothing personal. If it was our own lads playing on their own I would have lost it in the same way. We were both feeling our way back. It was not the place. Crazy scene. I apologised to the lads myself. We'd all gone so long without football. It was all pent up."
You look for the key to the genius of Seán Boylan and perhaps it's his humility. Famously, a few years ago, a new Dublin coach told his team that he would be all things to all men. There would be no special coach, no dietician, no team facilitator "and if you have problems upstairs I'm a bit of a headman too". Boylan surrounds himself with the best. His friend and confidante Denis Murtagh is a first line of defence. He has time for a quick Denis Murtagh yarn. The 1999 final. Seán came up out of the tunnel, took the jumper off, threw it on the bench and it started.  "Go way ya bollix."
The Meath bench was in front of the Cork fans. One beauty. Out on the field Seán went, out to talk to the lads. Comes back and the abuse is burning his ears. The only break is for the National Anthem and even at that Bigmouth can't wait for the finish.  The match is on. Phillip Clifford puts a ball over the sideline near Seán who grabs the ball and throws it to Cormac Murphy. Apoplexy behind. So Denis Murtagh says to James Reilly who was involved at the time. "Next time your man starts at Seán I want you to turn around and say this to him." And James says: "I couldn't possibly say that." Denis says: "just say it." Seconds later, the abuse starts. James turns around. "You! Shut your f****** mouth." "Go way you, ya baldy c***," says the man in the stand. And for the rest of the match he abused James Reilly. He has two selectors, Eamon O'Brien and Colm Coyle. Then there is Brian Smyth, a sort of facilitator for team meetings, a confidant for players and manager alike, a buffer in times when people get tired of hearing the one voice. And Denis Smyth, who tackles the logistics from tickets to hotels. And Eoin Lynch would spend half an hour every evening making sure balls are right, gear is right. Pat Kelly looks after transport. Eoin Clarke and Michelle Lyons the physios. Dorothy and Karen, the masseuses. All there performing labours of love. Love is at the heart of it, the secret of keeping on, keeping on.  Last year, after they lost early in the summer, Seán was driving to the Chinese in Navan with Mochie Regan and his wife Susan and with Tina. They were passing Dealgan Park and Tina caught Seán's wistful glance. She says: "Do you want to go in and drive around Seán, you can get help for this you know, for these withdrawal symptoms."  And they laughed at the truth of it. A comical scene."It seems crazy. There are nights when snow might be coming down or sheets of rain or whatever and you'd wonder about it all but I'd always be glad when I got there that I had gone. I'd get something out of it always." And there is no end. Tina left the convent in March. That August, Seán had two social engagements and invited Tina along. That night he'd just asked her to marry him when the doorbell rang. It was two weeks before they got back to the subject. By Christmas they were married.
#33842
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 09, 2010, 10:49:15 AM
Why you asking me that?  ;)

My view is that had the regulator worked with QI, put in measures to prevent the solvency rates falling below 150 again and continued to allow him to pay of his debt then this would have been the best option for the economy, his employees, SQ himself and for the government.



Quinn and the regulator had previously agreed on a plan whereby QI would limit the amount of lossmaking business it wrote in the UK but Quinn subsequently ignored this. I have the feeling Quinn thought he could do whatever he wanted regulation wise.   
#33843
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 09, 2010, 10:05:26 AM
Quinn does only need £100M for to solve the solvency ratios which as I said yesterday were below the 150 required for Ireland. They were at approx 120%. Which is not unsafe by any measure considering in other economies the ratio needed is only 100%

That depends. Where are the assets of the company invested? If they are in the equivalent of horse number 4 in the 3.15 at Lingfield
100% is not sufficient.

The other question is what calls there are on the assets allocated to solvency.   
#33844
Sean Fitzpatrick blames Sean Quinn for bringing down Anglo

nothing to do with a worthless loan book
#33845
It's hard not to be cynical about the interface between save our jobs and save SQ. Sean Quinn is in serious financial difficulty. If the Insurance business goes down the toilet so does the fortune of SQ. 
#33846
The argument about the business being profitable is a non sequitur. If the company is insolvent it's much easier to make money. There's no need to invest premiums in conservative  assets. QIL lost 44m in dear old Blighty last year. That's not profitable AFAIK.   
#33847
Quote from: scud on April 08, 2010, 01:58:32 PM

What I can't believe is that the national media have given it such a light touch, pardon the pun. I suppose its a side issue.

This is an organisation with no history of collective worker action, ever, yet overnight they mobilize in their thousands to attend not one rally, but 3/4 and counting. Busses have been booked - who paid? Spokespeople appear to talk to cameras and suprise, suprise, they use they same arguments made by SQ himself in the hours after the announcement and refuse to answer any questions. And everyone is allowed time off from work, no questions asked.

I'm not buying it.
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That's neoliberal trade union management from Sean Quinn . There was no need for trade unions under Sean since he was like the good shepherd except that he subsequently gambled the flock on Anglo Irish. He reminds me of a tribal chieftain. Of course they love him in Fermanagh. He's the reincarnation of the the Maguire of Fermanagh.
#33848
That wikileaks video gets in the way of the US media management of the wars in Iraq and afghanistan. americans aren't supposed to see images like that. they are supposed to be sponfed sympathetic media reports from embedded journalists and compromised mainland editors , breathe in "God bless America" and believe that the US is doing right in the region.

Watch al jazeera for an hour and see what reality looks like.

The US has already lost in Iraq and is going to lose in Afghanistan. Neoliberal war is appalling regardless of how it is dressed in the media. 
#33849
It's very interesting that Quinn didn't tolerate unions and is now manipulating the staff to do his marching bidding.
#33850
This was in the Guardian the day of the first Man U-Milan match

Whatever happens in this tie it's hard to see Milan winning the competition, but then the same is true of United, for all their rousing recent form. La Liga is miles ahead. This feels a bit like two wizened old winos, trying to relive the glory days by embarking on an epic bender from midday on giro day to see who can still handle it. It doesn't matter who wins: they'll both be under a table, snoring heavily and dribbling out of at least two orifices, when the real action starts on 22 May

Even if Man U had got to the final they would have been destroyed by Barcelona.
#33851
The video is going to go down very well in the Middle East where the US already has problems in winning hearts and minds.   


www.ourbombs.com is worth a look

#33852
He looks very sober. Especially with the tie and the haircut. He doesn't look like the kind of fella who would pump €3bn into Anglo Irish Bank.
#33853
The banks won't lend because they are effectively bust. So where can first time buyers get a loan? Nowhere. So who is going to buy ? Nobody. so what is going to keep prices at current levels? Nathin

At least summer is on the way. Fianna Fail couldn't f**k that up  ;)

#33854
NAMA is appalling. It's the biggest wealth transfer from ordinary Irish people to the rich since Cromwell. At least Ollie had a work ethic and a strong sense of what was wrong and right. NAMA is immoral.

  There are 1.9 million people at work in the Irish economy. Their average earnings last year were €36,300. After tax, that's €29,500 each. From this, each one will stump up an average of €4,600 just to pay the interest on the money the State is borrowing to fund the bank bailout. 100406 progressive-economy.ie blog.

NAMA has not stopped the deflation of the property bubble 

Bank of Ireland has 199,000 of the 800,000-odd residential mortgages in the State and has estimated that 21.5% of its customers are in negative equity and that the average net debt of those in negative equity is €38,000. BoI's figures are in line with ESRI estimates of upto 200,000 being in negative equity by the end of 2010. namawinelake blog
That BoI figure of 21.5% compares to 10% in mid 2009. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse. 

Taxpayers take all of the downside. Who do the properties secured on NAMA's money belong to? Not the taxpayer. Who pays if the shit continues to hit the fan? Not the bondholders. It's an absolute disgrace.
#33855
General discussion / Re: UK General election 2010
April 06, 2010, 02:34:55 PM
It will probably be a hung parliament or else a narrow Conservative win which would be no better than a hung parliament. Remember all the trouble John Major had when he won an unexpected victory in 1992 and his majority died off one by one ? 

I can't really see any difference between Labour and the tories. In the old days Labour never would have gone to war against Iraq.  They support the PFI even more than the Tories do. So it's tweedledum and tweedledee.