Eighth Amendment poll

[sid waddell]

An alt-right (far right) flag hanging from the most prominent "No" campaign stand in the country yesterday.

The same flag was flown at the neo-Nazi demonstrations in Charlottesville last August.

Nobody has to try and "portray" "No" campaigners as extremists.

They reveal their true leanings all by themselves.

Does that flag represent the views of ALL no voters or just the fvcking idiots who happened to think it was a good idea to fly it?

Does EVERY Yes voter agree with Ruth Coppinger that it is the mothers decision to abort up to and including the date of birth?

You've been proven so wrong on this that I'm surprised you haven't rebranded out of embarrassment. Far right rhetoric and tactics are an integral, indivisible part of the No campaign. There is no equivalence whatsoever here between the campaigns. There is one side to blame for the toxicity of this debate and one side only, as is always the case in Irish referendums of this nature.

Like any dog whistling far right extremist does, you love to downplay anything that would embarrass you and any political campaign you support, so it's no surprise to see you downplay the flying of a flag modelled on the Nazi flag from the most prominent No campaign stand in the country.

Again, this is not some obscure corner of the internet we're talking about here - I repeat - it's the most prominent No campaign stand in the country - in front of the GPO, and the No campaign is proudly flying a flag that was flown by racist scum at Charlottesville.

Add to that yesterday's revelation that the No campaign are using an information network used by a network of far right extremist groups, including the NRA.

Add to that prominent No campaigner Niamh Nic Mathuna's links to the European far right - she has spoken alongside Italian fascists.

Add to that prominent No campaigner Justin Barrett's clear links to neo-Nazis in Germany.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/neo-nazis-affirm-links-with-youth-defence-1.1098966
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/barrett-admits-attending-far-right-party-meetings-in-italy-germany-1.1098920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Barrett#German_Neo-nazi_link

Add to that the dog whistling, bullying, misogynist, at times racist dog whistling from the hordes of flat earther No supporters on Twitter.

The No campaign have, by definition, an absolutist, extremist position.

Therefore it's not surprising that their campaign is full of the influence of the far right - in their rhetoric, in their tactics, and in their beliefs.

I guess you could call them a "basket of deplorables".

To get respect, you have to earn respect. During this campaign, the No side has done precisely nothing to earn respect and everything to prove they are unworthy of it.

There is no way around the fact that the No campaign is extremist.

Wanting to force a 12 year old rape victim to carry a pregnancy to term against her will is an extremist position by any stretch of the imagination.

Wanting to force a victim of incest to carry a pregnancy to term against her will is an extremist position by any stretch of the imagination.

Wanting to deny cancer treatment to pregnant women is an extremist position.

Wanting the state to abandon Irish women is an extremist position.

Voting for all of the above is an extremist position.

The Yes campaign on the other hand couldn't be more mainstream. It's advocating for something every other European country bar Malta has.

It has run a fair and respectful campaign - the polar opposite of its opponents, who have disgraced themselves time and time and time again. It has laid out the facts, put forwards people's personal stories, and shown empathy and compassion.

Ruth Coppinger's personal views on what sort of abortion laws we should have are are irrelevant - but even then I note you refused to provide a link to back up your claim. Coppinger has done a damn sight more for Irish women on her own than the whole of the No campaign put together, by the way.

What have any of the No campaign ever done for Irish women except to try and control them? That's ultimately what it's all about for the No campaign - control.

No more, and long after time.

Lol-proven wrong by who?     You-??

I think it will pass and I will be happy if it does, but the only person your kidding is yourself if you think some on the Yes side don't hold extreme views on when and why an abortion can happen

Zzzzzzzzz.

[Gmac]

An alt-right (far right) flag hanging from the most prominent "No" campaign stand in the country yesterday.

The same flag was flown at the neo-Nazi demonstrations in Charlottesville last August.

Nobody has to try and "portray" "No" campaigners as extremists.

They reveal their true leanings all by themselves.

did u take the picture?  That flag looks photoshopped

[Syferus]

An alt-right (far right) flag hanging from the most prominent "No" campaign stand in the country yesterday.

The same flag was flown at the neo-Nazi demonstrations in Charlottesville last August.

Nobody has to try and "portray" "No" campaigners as extremists.

They reveal their true leanings all by themselves.

did u take the picture?  That flag looks photoshopped

As someone who has used Photoshop for years, no it does not.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

did u take the picture?  That flag looks photoshopped

Are these photoshopped as well?

https://twitter.com/SeaniieOShea/status/998984259904921600

[Rossfan]

Mods - hopefully ye'll enforce the moratorium and lock this thread at midnight.

[Syferus]

Mods - hopefully ye'll enforce the moratorium and lock this thread at midnight.

Not like you to misunderstand something.

[whitey]

An alt-right (far right) flag hanging from the most prominent "No" campaign stand in the country yesterday.

The same flag was flown at the neo-Nazi demonstrations in Charlottesville last August.

Nobody has to try and "portray" "No" campaigners as extremists.

They reveal their true leanings all by themselves.

Does that flag represent the views of ALL no voters or just the fvcking idiots who happened to think it was a good idea to fly it?

Does EVERY Yes voter agree with Ruth Coppinger that it is the mothers decision to abort up to and including the date of birth?

You've been proven so wrong on this that I'm surprised you haven't rebranded out of embarrassment. Far right rhetoric and tactics are an integral, indivisible part of the No campaign. There is no equivalence whatsoever here between the campaigns. There is one side to blame for the toxicity of this debate and one side only, as is always the case in Irish referendums of this nature.

Like any dog whistling far right extremist does, you love to downplay anything that would embarrass you and any political campaign you support, so it's no surprise to see you downplay the flying of a flag modelled on the Nazi flag from the most prominent No campaign stand in the country.

Again, this is not some obscure corner of the internet we're talking about here - I repeat - it's the most prominent No campaign stand in the country - in front of the GPO, and the No campaign is proudly flying a flag that was flown by racist scum at Charlottesville.

Add to that yesterday's revelation that the No campaign are using an information network used by a network of far right extremist groups, including the NRA.

Add to that prominent No campaigner Niamh Nic Mathuna's links to the European far right - she has spoken alongside Italian fascists.

Add to that prominent No campaigner Justin Barrett's clear links to neo-Nazis in Germany.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/neo-nazis-affirm-links-with-youth-defence-1.1098966
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/barrett-admits-attending-far-right-party-meetings-in-italy-germany-1.1098920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Barrett#German_Neo-nazi_link

Add to that the dog whistling, bullying, misogynist, at times racist dog whistling from the hordes of flat earther No supporters on Twitter.

The No campaign have, by definition, an absolutist, extremist position.

Therefore it's not surprising that their campaign is full of the influence of the far right - in their rhetoric, in their tactics, and in their beliefs.

I guess you could call them a "basket of deplorables".

To get respect, you have to earn respect. During this campaign, the No side has done precisely nothing to earn respect and everything to prove they are unworthy of it.

There is no way around the fact that the No campaign is extremist.

Wanting to force a 12 year old rape victim to carry a pregnancy to term against her will is an extremist position by any stretch of the imagination.

Wanting to force a victim of incest to carry a pregnancy to term against her will is an extremist position by any stretch of the imagination.

Wanting to deny cancer treatment to pregnant women is an extremist position.

Wanting the state to abandon Irish women is an extremist position.

Voting for all of the above is an extremist position.

The Yes campaign on the other hand couldn't be more mainstream. It's advocating for something every other European country bar Malta has.

It has run a fair and respectful campaign - the polar opposite of its opponents, who have disgraced themselves time and time and time again. It has laid out the facts, put forwards people's personal stories, and shown empathy and compassion.

Ruth Coppinger's personal views on what sort of abortion laws we should have are are irrelevant - but even then I note you refused to provide a link to back up your claim. Coppinger has done a damn sight more for Irish women on her own than the whole of the No campaign put together, by the way.

What have any of the No campaign ever done for Irish women except to try and control them? That's ultimately what it's all about for the No campaign - control.

No more, and long after time.

Lol-proven wrong by who?     You-??

I think it will pass and I will be happy if it does, but the only person your kidding is yourself if you think some on the Yes side don't hold extreme views on when and why an abortion can happen

Zzzzzzzzz.

Believe whatever you want

You can be pro repeal and at the same time find the extreme views of some of the Yes supporters abhorrent

[macdanger2]

Mods - hopefully ye'll enforce the moratorium and lock this thread at midnight.

When does the moratorium start? I thought today was the last day but apparently an taoiseach is going to be on with pat Kenny in the morning

[gallsman]

Eugh. Ronan Mullen is as bad tonight as Katie Ascough was last night.

[Captain Obvious]

Eugh. Ronan Mullen is as bad tonight as Katie Ascough was last night.

As least Katie is more appealing to the eye.

[laoislad]

The sooner this referendum is over the better. Jesus it's bitter stuff!!

+100
Some awful arseholes on both sides.

[Itchy]

An alt-right (far right) flag hanging from the most prominent "No" campaign stand in the country yesterday.

The same flag was flown at the neo-Nazi demonstrations in Charlottesville last August.

Nobody has to try and "portray" "No" campaigners as extremists.

They reveal their true leanings all by themselves.

Does that flag represent the views of ALL no voters or just the fvcking idiots who happened to think it was a good idea to fly it?

Does EVERY Yes voter agree with Ruth Coppinger that it is the mothers decision to abort up to and including the date of birth?

You've been proven so wrong on this that I'm surprised you haven't rebranded out of embarrassment. Far right rhetoric and tactics are an integral, indivisible part of the No campaign. There is no equivalence whatsoever here between the campaigns. There is one side to blame for the toxicity of this debate and one side only, as is always the case in Irish referendums of this nature.

Like any dog whistling far right extremist does, you love to downplay anything that would embarrass you and any political campaign you support, so it's no surprise to see you downplay the flying of a flag modelled on the Nazi flag from the most prominent No campaign stand in the country.

Again, this is not some obscure corner of the internet we're talking about here - I repeat - it's the most prominent No campaign stand in the country - in front of the GPO, and the No campaign is proudly flying a flag that was flown by racist scum at Charlottesville.

Add to that yesterday's revelation that the No campaign are using an information network used by a network of far right extremist groups, including the NRA.

Add to that prominent No campaigner Niamh Nic Mathuna's links to the European far right - she has spoken alongside Italian fascists.

Add to that prominent No campaigner Justin Barrett's clear links to neo-Nazis in Germany.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/neo-nazis-affirm-links-with-youth-defence-1.1098966
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/barrett-admits-attending-far-right-party-meetings-in-italy-germany-1.1098920
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Barrett#German_Neo-nazi_link

Add to that the dog whistling, bullying, misogynist, at times racist dog whistling from the hordes of flat earther No supporters on Twitter.

The No campaign have, by definition, an absolutist, extremist position.

Therefore it's not surprising that their campaign is full of the influence of the far right - in their rhetoric, in their tactics, and in their beliefs.

I guess you could call them a "basket of deplorables".

To get respect, you have to earn respect. During this campaign, the No side has done precisely nothing to earn respect and everything to prove they are unworthy of it.

There is no way around the fact that the No campaign is extremist.

Wanting to force a 12 year old rape victim to carry a pregnancy to term against her will is an extremist position by any stretch of the imagination.

Wanting to force a victim of incest to carry a pregnancy to term against her will is an extremist position by any stretch of the imagination.

Wanting to deny cancer treatment to pregnant women is an extremist position.

Wanting the state to abandon Irish women is an extremist position.

Voting for all of the above is an extremist position.

The Yes campaign on the other hand couldn't be more mainstream. It's advocating for something every other European country bar Malta has.

It has run a fair and respectful campaign - the polar opposite of its opponents, who have disgraced themselves time and time and time again. It has laid out the facts, put forwards people's personal stories, and shown empathy and compassion.

Ruth Coppinger's personal views on what sort of abortion laws we should have are are irrelevant - but even then I note you refused to provide a link to back up your claim. Coppinger has done a damn sight more for Irish women on her own than the whole of the No campaign put together, by the way.

What have any of the No campaign ever done for Irish women except to try and control them? That's ultimately what it's all about for the No campaign - control.

No more, and long after time.

Lol-proven wrong by who?     You-??

I think it will pass and I will be happy if it does, but the only person your kidding is yourself if you think some on the Yes side don't hold extreme views on when and why an abortion can happen

Zzzzzzzzz.

Believe whatever you want

You can be pro repeal and at the same time find the extreme views of some of the Yes supporters abhorrent

Yes that's where I am too. Voting yes but very uncomfortable with some of the people on "my" side.

[gallsman]

Mullen is a disgrace. Young girl in tears telling the story of the time she went to Birmingham for an abortion.

"You deserve love and respect, regardless of what you have done"

[seafoid]

Rhône Mahony is the Master of Holles St maternit hospital so she knows what she is talking about. Irish women already have abortions. The war is lost.

"Dr Mahony yesterday again called for a Yes vote in the referendum - saying abortion is already in Ireland with the use of pills bought over the internet to end pregnancies.

She also said doctors had to wait until a mother was dying before intervening to terminate a pregnancy to save her life, adding that this must change."


Mullen should be repatriated to the 1930s.

[Itchy]

Mullen is a disgrace. Young girl in tears telling the story of the time she went to Birmingham for an abortion.

"You deserve love and respect, regardless of what you have done"

What about the woman in the crowd who was abused by the amnesty canvassers.  Both vile acts.