There's a clamour now to ban certain films and tv shows.
I see Cops has been taken down and Little Britain (never watched it)
Netflix and iPlayer have pulled Little Britain. Never watched it, but the worlds gone PC mad.
Leigh Francis (Keith Lemon) posted a video apologising for the characters he created on Bo Selecta. So that'll probably be the next to go. Some of those characters were brilliant.
He ruined Craig David. Ruined him.
Things like this drive me mad.
Regardless of his extra curricular behaviour, Kevin Spacey was one of the best actors in history, but Netflix and co have tried to airbrush him from their portfolio.
All I want to do is watch KPax, and I can't. Sad face.
Talking about 'Little Britain' last night and what characters might have caused offence. We looked up a full character list and well..lets just say they got away with alot.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on June 10, 2020, 10:58:57 AM
Talking about 'Little Britain' last night and what characters might have caused offence. We looked up a full character list and well..lets just say they got away with alot.
The poor wheelchair victims
It was their use of blackface in some skits that did it.
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 10, 2020, 11:16:19 AM
It was their use of blackface in some skits that did it.
White chicks should be next
Gone With The Wind has been chopped from HBO list
White men can't jump....a serious bit of racial stereotyping there.
Pitch Black....ooh, i dunno, sounds offensive
Last of the summer wine....nobody under the age of 60 in the cast, age-ist or what?
Black Panther.....I feel offended as there was no White Panther.
On a serious note, racism is alive and well in modern society. But, does anyone really think that removing TV shows or movies off their time is going to help remove racism in any way?
Sometimes people go out of their way to be offended.
I don't want to detract from any genuine incidents of racism but ffs, be realistic. Does anyone thing David Walliams or Kieth Lemon are racist? I dont. Perhaps some risque "comedy", but what comedians don't push the boundaries?
Quote from: Rois on June 10, 2020, 11:33:54 AM
Gone With The Wind has been chopped from HBO list
Frankly my dear I don't give a damn
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 10, 2020, 11:44:53 AM
White men can't jump....a serious bit of racial stereotyping there.
Pitch Black....ooh, i dunno, sounds offensive
Last of the summer wine....nobody under the age of 60 in the cast, age-ist or what?
Black Panther.....I feel offended as there was no White Panther.
On a serious note, racism is alive and well in modern society. But, does anyone really think that removing TV shows or movies off their time is going to help remove racism in any way?
Sometimes people go out of their way to be offended.
I don't want to detract from any genuine incidents of racism but ffs, be realistic. Does anyone thing David Walliams or Kieth Lemon are racist? I dont. Perhaps some risque "comedy", but what comedians don't push the boundaries?
where do you draw the line indeed?
Watched a clip of the BLM protest in Washington when the black TV journalist was talking about protesters being taken away in Police "paddy" wagons...
I was suitably disgusted.
Paddy Irish man jokes have been taken out of the PTQ
I see they are kneeling every Thursday at 8pm for BLM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 10:41:58 AM
Netflix and iPlayer have pulled Little Britain. Never watched it, but the worlds gone PC mad.
Leigh Francis (Keith Lemon) posted a video apologising for the characters he created on Bo Selecta. So that'll probably be the next to go. Some of those characters were brilliant.
Only fools and Horses will be next. Some of the lines del boy used would cause moral outrage with some of today's PC brigade.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/7019750/Censor-Del-Boy-for-being-racist-Dont-be-a-plonker.html
I watched MASH recently for the first time in years.
THAT is a movie which hasn't aged well, especially over the last few years. Its a festival of misogny.
The world has ceased to be a place I understand
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2020, 10:29:45 AM
There's a clamour now to ban certain films and tv shows.
I see Cops has been taken down and Little Britain (never watched it)
That reminds me, I must get a Twitter account and see what the craic is
Quote from: JoG2 on June 10, 2020, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2020, 10:29:45 AM
There's a clamour now to ban certain films and tv shows.
I see Cops has been taken down and Little Britain (never watched it)
That reminds me, I must get a Twitter account and see what the craic is
Be prepared - its a cesspit recently.
Used to be very useful for sporting news but it is a hard read nowadays
Quote from: Taylor on June 10, 2020, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 10, 2020, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2020, 10:29:45 AM
There's a clamour now to ban certain films and tv shows.
I see Cops has been taken down and Little Britain (never watched it)
That reminds me, I must get a Twitter account and see what the craic is
Be prepared - its a cesspit recently.
Used to be very useful for sporting news but it is a hard read nowadays
Only messing, wouldn't darken it's doors ! :D
GRAN TORINO ;D ;D - What a film.
many clint eastwood films will be banished
Didn't Robert Downey Jr black up for some film?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
He ruined Craig David. Ruined him.
Yeah but he was doing a skit of Craig David. He wore a black mask because Craig David is black. Was he supposed to portray him with a white mask?
Does this mean all the white characters he portrayed were all fine, but the black ones weren't? Like ffs!
Quote from: general on June 10, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
GRAN TORINO ;D ;D - What a film.
many clint eastwood films will be banished
Don't think Gran Torino will be among them.
Some of the Dirty Harry ones, yes!
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Didn't Robert Downey Jr black up for some film?
Yeah, but he wouldn't go full retard tho for an Oscar #tropicthunder some of that movie was seriously funny, not very PC
So do we consider Fr Ted racist for the Chinese episode?
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
So do we consider Fr Ted racist for the Chinese episode?
No, Ted apologised and bought them all drink.
No story here. Move along please.
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/d7/c0/aad7c03f65c78e5f5fce4d89a828735b--ted-quotes-father-ted.jpg)
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 10, 2020, 11:44:53 AM
Sometimes people go out of their way to be offended.
I can think of no people who go more out of their way to be offended than right-wing culture warriors.
It's literally the central "intellectual" underpinning of a totally bizarre, paranoid, reactionary and deeply insecure "movement". And I use the word "intellectual" in a deliberately ironic sense.
The whole thing is quite the irony - but on the part of the right-wing culture warriors, the irony is always entirely unintentional.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
So do we consider Fr Ted racist for the Chinese episode?
No, Ted apologised and bought them all drink.
No story here. Move along please.
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/d7/c0/aad7c03f65c78e5f5fce4d89a828735b--ted-quotes-father-ted.jpg)
Actual laugh out loud.
Great reply ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
He ruined Craig David. Ruined him.
Yeah but he was doing a skit of Craig David. He wore a black mask because Craig David is black. Was he supposed to portray him with a white mask?
Does this mean all the white characters he portrayed were all fine, but the black ones weren't? Like ffs!
So are you suggesting that Conor Moore, the Irishman who has recently had a lot of success in the US doing impressions of golfers, should wear blackface if he's doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
That would seem to be a logical follow on from what you say.
Anyone old enough to remember the show, Mind your language? During my innocent years I found this funny...
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Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
He ruined Craig David. Ruined him.
Yeah but he was doing a skit of Craig David. He wore a black mask because Craig David is black. Was he supposed to portray him with a white mask?
Does this mean all the white characters he portrayed were all fine, but the black ones weren't? Like ffs!
So are you suggesting that Conor Moore, the Irishman who has recently had a lot of success in the US doing impressions of golfers, should wear blackface if he's doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
That would seem to be a logical follow on from what you say.
Moore's act isn't about wearing masks though.
I've heard it said the Craig David mask, people complained because it ruined CD's career. Never heard anyone say, oh that's racist. Now suddenly it is racist?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Didn't Robert Downey Jr black up for some film?
Tropic thunder i think it was called, pure dung.
I don't quite get the commotion about GWTW. Isn't blatantly obvious that GWTW distorts the experience of slavery, that this is how black Americans were depicted by Hollywood in the 1940s and GWTW is just one of many films which are evidence to that depiction. It's a historical film and the film's making is of its time.
Have we not had a tv series called Roots and many others which offered more realistic alternative perceptions of that piece of slave history and from a black perspective.
Once Mel Brooks claimed that Blazing Saddles wouldn't be made in today's PC environment, eg. that you just wouldn't have an elderly white woman return a greeting to the new town sheriff with a "get lost n*gger"
I think he's wrong, Tarantino has done it to excess and many others as well.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 10, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
He ruined Craig David. Ruined him.
Yeah but he was doing a skit of Craig David. He wore a black mask because Craig David is black. Was he supposed to portray him with a white mask?
Does this mean all the white characters he portrayed were all fine, but the black ones weren't? Like ffs!
So are you suggesting that Conor Moore, the Irishman who has recently had a lot of success in the US doing impressions of golfers, should wear blackface if he's doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
That would seem to be a logical follow on from what you say.
That would be funny.
In the same way it's funny when he puts a latex cover on his head to impersonate Ger Loughnane.
It's not comedic because Woods is black or because Ger is bald. That's just incidental. The humour is in the content and the delivery for Conor Moore.
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2020, 03:54:26 PM
I don't quite get the commotion about GWTW. Isn't blatantly obvious that GWTW distorts the experience of slavery, that this is how black Americans were depicted by Hollywood in the 1940s and GWTW is just one of many films which are evidence to that depiction. It's a historical film and the film's making is of its time.
Have we not had a tv series called Roots and many others which offered more realistic alternative perceptions of that piece of slave history and from a black perspective.
Once Mel Brooks claimed that Blazing Saddles wouldn't be made in today's PC environment, eg. that you just wouldn't have an elderly white woman return a greeting to the new town sheriff with a "get lost n*gger"
I think he's wrong, Tarantino has done it to excess and many others as well.
Tarantino probably got away with it as in Django Unchained it was the black slave who was the hero at the expense of the either pure evil plantation owner or the thick as shit redneck helping hands.
Blazing Saddles tread a similar path for laughs.
GWTW and the likes had the slaves as almost grateful helpers, uncle toms' to coin a phrase.
I'd suggest neither are to relied upon as historically factual.
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2020, 03:54:26 PM
I don't quite get the commotion about GWTW. Isn't blatantly obvious that GWTW distorts the experience of slavery, that this is how black Americans were depicted by Hollywood in the 1940s and GWTW is just one of many films which are evidence to that depiction. It's a historical film and the film's making is of its time.
Have we not had a tv series called Roots and many others which offered more realistic alternative perceptions of that piece of slave history and from a black perspective.
Once Mel Brooks claimed that Blazing Saddles wouldn't be made in today's PC environment, eg. that you just wouldn't have an elderly white woman return a greeting to the new town sheriff with a "get lost n*gger"
I think he's wrong, Tarantino has done it to excess and many others as well.
I think Brooks is wrong too.
Blazing Saddles is one of the most anti-racist films ever made.
On GWTW, I think the distortion of the horror of slavery is the whole point of the objections. That and some pretty awful stereotyping.
Birth of a Nation was a completely revolutionary film on a technical level, but its content is rightly dismissed today as appalling.
Isn't there a point where we know and acccept GWTW has its stereotypical distortions about slavery and move on?
What stone would a person have crawled out from under, in order to believe that's how slavery actually was in those days?
The film itself is a testament to the prejudice and lies Hollywood propogated about the reality of slavery.
Check out Leni Riefenstahl: Olympia - Festival of Nations (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LOPhRq3Es (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LOPhRq3Es)
Can it not be appreciated that it's a document of its time, possibly the most perfect piece of propoganda of all time, albeit for the fallacy that was Nazi doctrine.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 10, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
He ruined Craig David. Ruined him.
Yeah but he was doing a skit of Craig David. He wore a black mask because Craig David is black. Was he supposed to portray him with a white mask?
Does this mean all the white characters he portrayed were all fine, but the black ones weren't? Like ffs!
So are you suggesting that Conor Moore, the Irishman who has recently had a lot of success in the US doing impressions of golfers, should wear blackface if he's doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
That would seem to be a logical follow on from what you say.
Moore's act isn't about wearing masks though.
I've heard it said the Craig David mask, people complained because it ruined CD's career. Never heard anyone say, oh that's racist. Now suddenly it is racist?
Could you answer the question?
Should Moore wear blackface when doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
Quote from: sid waddell on June 10, 2020, 05:54:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 10, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
He ruined Craig David. Ruined him.
Yeah but he was doing a skit of Craig David. He wore a black mask because Craig David is black. Was he supposed to portray him with a white mask?
Does this mean all the white characters he portrayed were all fine, but the black ones weren't? Like ffs!
So are you suggesting that Conor Moore, the Irishman who has recently had a lot of success in the US doing impressions of golfers, should wear blackface if he's doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
That would seem to be a logical follow on from what you say.
Moore's act isn't about wearing masks though.
I've heard it said the Craig David mask, people complained because it ruined CD's career. Never heard anyone say, oh that's racist. Now suddenly it is racist?
Could you answer the question?
Should Moore wear blackface when doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
I answered your question.
Quote from: J70 on June 10, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: general on June 10, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
GRAN TORINO ;D ;D - What a film.
many clint eastwood films will be banished
Don't think Gran Torino will be among them.
Some of the Dirty Harry ones, yes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsXHVC8wM1M
"Slipper Heads" and "gooks"
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 08:17:36 PM
I assume this (now) woman is being sought for a public flogging?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeremyDixonDJ/status/1129472007932919814
Jesus! Absolutely strung up and getting fucked into the Liffey right now!
Quote from: general on June 10, 2020, 08:11:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 10, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: general on June 10, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
GRAN TORINO ;D ;D - What a film.
many clint eastwood films will be banished
Don't think Gran Torino will be among them.
Some of the Dirty Harry ones, yes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsXHVC8wM1M
"Slipper Heads" and "gooks"
Yes but, fanciful as it might be, its a story of a bigot who is reformed, somehow, at the hands of a pair of immigrant kids (he sees that, my god, they're human beings!!) and saves them.
I'd say more people would find the whole premise of the story more offensive and outlandish than would be offended by the racial slurs which are not glorified, but simply the expressions of an old racist character. Replace those words (and I'm sure they are for US network TV) and the story, with all its problems, still remains.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 10, 2020, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 08:17:36 PM
I assume this (now) woman is being sought for a public flogging?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeremyDixonDJ/status/1129472007932919814
Jesus! Absolutely strung up and getting fucked into the Liffey right now!
Expect a mob at the door any second now ;D
Fawlty towers would have a few too many stereotypes , o brien the chancer builder I think was one
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2020, 03:54:26 PM
I don't quite get the commotion about GWTW. Isn't blatantly obvious that GWTW distorts the experience of slavery, that this is how black Americans were depicted by Hollywood in the 1940s and GWTW is just one of many films which are evidence to that depiction. It's a historical film and the film's making is of its time.
Have we not had a tv series called Roots and many others which offered more realistic alternative perceptions of that piece of slave history and from a black perspective.
Once Mel Brooks claimed that Blazing Saddles wouldn't be made in today's PC environment, eg. that you just wouldn't have an elderly white woman return a greeting to the new town sheriff with a "get lost n*gger"
I think he's wrong, Tarantino has done it to excess and many others as well.
Is it not moreso that it romanticises the confederacy and what it stood for?
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 10, 2020, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2020, 03:54:26 PM
I don't quite get the commotion about GWTW. Isn't blatantly obvious that GWTW distorts the experience of slavery, that this is how black Americans were depicted by Hollywood in the 1940s and GWTW is just one of many films which are evidence to that depiction. It's a historical film and the film's making is of its time.
Have we not had a tv series called Roots and many others which offered more realistic alternative perceptions of that piece of slave history and from a black perspective.
Once Mel Brooks claimed that Blazing Saddles wouldn't be made in today's PC environment, eg. that you just wouldn't have an elderly white woman return a greeting to the new town sheriff with a "get lost n*gger"
I think he's wrong, Tarantino has done it to excess and many others as well.
Is it not moreso that it romanticises the confederacy and what it stood for?
Afaia the fuss is about the depiction of slaves in the South, Hattie McDaniels role in particular where she won the academy award for best supporting actress but due to segregation she was not even allowed to attend the ceremony. This was covered a bit in the recent tv drama Hollywood, along with talented Chinese American actress Anna May Wong who was fed up with her stereotypical roles.
The whole thing is a minefield.
As someone said, Birth of a Nation is one of the most important films ever made. But its a pro KKK propaganda piece.
Where do you draw the line? There are huge amounts of important work that haven't aged well. Do we bin it all? Even friends was lashed out of it when it was put up on Netflix.
I think the warning approach is better.
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11806252-3x2-700x467.jpg)
Quote from: hardstation on June 10, 2020, 08:17:36 PM
I assume this (now) woman is being sought for a public flogging?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeremyDixonDJ/status/1129472007932919814
I love the way instead of depicting Paul McGraths egg shell tanned skin she goes for black as coal face paint because he is black. That comes across as a bit racist.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 07:36:14 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 10, 2020, 05:54:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 10, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 10, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 10, 2020, 10:44:51 AM
He ruined Craig David. Ruined him.
Yeah but he was doing a skit of Craig David. He wore a black mask because Craig David is black. Was he supposed to portray him with a white mask?
Does this mean all the white characters he portrayed were all fine, but the black ones weren't? Like ffs!
So are you suggesting that Conor Moore, the Irishman who has recently had a lot of success in the US doing impressions of golfers, should wear blackface if he's doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
That would seem to be a logical follow on from what you say.
Moore's act isn't about wearing masks though.
I've heard it said the Craig David mask, people complained because it ruined CD's career. Never heard anyone say, oh that's racist. Now suddenly it is racist?
Could you answer the question?
Should Moore wear blackface when doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
I answered your question.
You completely avoided it.
I'll ask it again.
Should Conor Moore wear blackface when doing an impression of Tiger Woods?
Quote from: Main Street on June 10, 2020, 05:14:07 PM
Isn't there a point where we know and acccept GWTW has its stereotypical distortions about slavery and move on?
What stone would a person have crawled out from under, in order to believe that's how slavery actually was in those days?
The film itself is a testament to the prejudice and lies Hollywood propogated about the reality of slavery.
Check out Leni Riefenstahl: Olympia - Festival of Nations (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LOPhRq3Es (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LOPhRq3Es)
Can it not be appreciated that it's a document of its time, possibly the most perfect piece of propoganda of all time, albeit for the fallacy that was Nazi doctrine.
You overestimate the intelligence of American conservatives. They watched Birth of a Nation that portrayed blacks as deviant sexual predators and thought it was a documentary.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 10, 2020, 11:22:10 PM
The whole thing is a minefield.
As someone said, Birth of a Nation is one of the most important films ever made. But its a pro KKK propaganda piece.
Where do you draw the line? There are huge amounts of important work that haven't aged well. Do we bin it all? Even friends was lashed out of it when it was put up on Netflix.
I think the warning approach is better.
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11806252-3x2-700x467.jpg)
I'd agree with that. I believe HBO is taking that approach with GWTW, it'll be back up with a warning placed in front of it. For the benefit of any conservatives who might think that slavery was all right.
The Inbetweeners is next
I agree the warning approach is the most logical way to go forward as opposed to removing films/ tv shows that are dated.
In twenty years time what will people be getting offended about that we didn't realise was offensive now at the moment?
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on June 11, 2020, 11:13:38 AM
I agree the warning approach is the most logical way to go forward as opposed to removing films/ tv shows that are dated.
In twenty years time what will people be getting offended about that we didn't realise was offensive now at the moment?
Ah it'll be the old man was really a woman thing, or vice versa. Or the whole gender neutral area. Might take me awhile to get PC on the area of the latter
Roots has slavery in it, so it has to be banned.
Likewise Schindler's List has clear anti semitism.
I think it is madness to go down banning films.
Where does it stop?
If there are fat people in the movie and they arent 'good' does it portray fat people in a bad light?
If the 'baddie' in a movie is white/black/asian etc does it paint all of that race in a bad light?
Do we ban superhero films because the main lead isnt white/black/asian etc - do these films mean only white/black people can be heroes?
Everyone can be offended by different things
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 11:44:50 AM
Roots has slavery in it, so it has to be banned.
Likewise Schindler's List has clear anti semitism.
Are you just being performative stupid here for the sake of it, or is this really your view?
Because what you just wrote is very stupid.
I'm really intrigued by the amount of people here who have unironically used the line "where does it stop?".
It's like they cannot whatsoever comprehend the difference between deliberately using racist tropes to ridicule black people, and accurate depictions of racism which are an integral or perfectly legitimate part of a story.
Using this logic, there is literally no difference between the Black and White Minstrel Show and, say, Spike Lee's "Do The Right Thing".
It bears out completely what I say about how right-wing culture warriors use simplistic, nonsense arguments when nuance is needed, yet try to introduce false nuance when something is a case of the bleedin' obvious.
It makes me wonder: what exactly are these right-wing culture warriors afraid of?
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 12:44:55 PM
I'm really intrigued by the amount of people here who have unironically used the line "where does it stop?".
It's like they cannot whatsoever comprehend the difference between deliberately using racist tropes to ridicule black people, and accurate depictions of racism which are an integral or perfectly legitimate part of a story.
Using this logic, there is literally no difference between the Black and White Minstrel Show and, say, Spike Lee's "Do The Right Thing".
It bears out completely what I say about how right-wing culture warriors use simplistic, nonsense arguments when nuance is needed, yet try to introduce false nuance when something is a case of the bleedin' obvious.
It makes me wonder: what exactly are these right-wing culture warriors afraid of?
you are concentrating on racism towards black people everyone else is broadening the scope to include all the other things people can be offended by , don't be so selective in your outrage.
Quote from: Gmac on June 11, 2020, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 12:44:55 PM
I'm really intrigued by the amount of people here who have unironically used the line "where does it stop?".
It's like they cannot whatsoever comprehend the difference between deliberately using racist tropes to ridicule black people, and accurate depictions of racism which are an integral or perfectly legitimate part of a story.
Using this logic, there is literally no difference between the Black and White Minstrel Show and, say, Spike Lee's "Do The Right Thing".
It bears out completely what I say about how right-wing culture warriors use simplistic, nonsense arguments when nuance is needed, yet try to introduce false nuance when something is a case of the bleedin' obvious.
It makes me wonder: what exactly are these right-wing culture warriors afraid of?
you are concentrating on racism towards black people everyone else is broadening the scope to include all the other things people can be offended by , don't be so selective in your outrage.
Jesus wept. You obviously don't read my posts. I unfortunately read yours, which is why I know how much you have to contribute on this sort of topic, which isn't much.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 03:01:49 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 11, 2020, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 12:44:55 PM
I'm really intrigued by the amount of people here who have unironically used the line "where does it stop?".
It's like they cannot whatsoever comprehend the difference between deliberately using racist tropes to ridicule black people, and accurate depictions of racism which are an integral or perfectly legitimate part of a story.
Using this logic, there is literally no difference between the Black and White Minstrel Show and, say, Spike Lee's "Do The Right Thing".
It bears out completely what I say about how right-wing culture warriors use simplistic, nonsense arguments when nuance is needed, yet try to introduce false nuance when something is a case of the bleedin' obvious.
It makes me wonder: what exactly are these right-wing culture warriors afraid of?
you are concentrating on racism towards black people everyone else is broadening the scope to include all the other things people can be offended by , don't be so selective in your outrage.
Jesus wept. You obviously don't read my posts. I unfortunately read yours, which is why I know how much you have to contribute on this sort of topic, which isn't much.
;D ;D
You are some piece of work Sid - all I can do is laugh at your posts because it impossible to decipher the nonsense from the valid points
Will the pantos be done away with?
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 03:01:49 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 11, 2020, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 12:44:55 PM
I'm really intrigued by the amount of people here who have unironically used the line "where does it stop?".
It's like they cannot whatsoever comprehend the difference between deliberately using racist tropes to ridicule black people, and accurate depictions of racism which are an integral or perfectly legitimate part of a story.
Using this logic, there is literally no difference between the Black and White Minstrel Show and, say, Spike Lee's "Do The Right Thing".
It bears out completely what I say about how right-wing culture warriors use simplistic, nonsense arguments when nuance is needed, yet try to introduce false nuance when something is a case of the bleedin' obvious.
It makes me wonder: what exactly are these right-wing culture warriors afraid of?
you are concentrating on racism towards black people everyone else is broadening the scope to include all the other things people can be offended by , don't be so selective in your outrage.
Jesus wept. You obviously don't read my posts. I unfortunately read yours, which is why I know how much you have to contribute on this sort of topic, which isn't much.
You should take a day off from being champion of the downtrodden.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 12:44:55 PM
I'm really intrigued by the amount of people here who have unironically used the line "where does it stop?".
It's like they cannot whatsoever comprehend the difference between deliberately using racist tropes to ridicule black people, and accurate depictions of racism which are an integral or perfectly legitimate part of a story.
I largely agree with Sid on this, it should be possible to discuss whether or not something is offensive or not without getting into ridiculous whataboutery. I personally don't think a lot of these things should be banned and the idea of having a notice at the beginning of the films seems like a good one.
That said, I'm not the one being portrayed in a negative light in most of these films - if the people who
are being portrayed in a negative manner consider something in a film to be offensive then I might change my opinion on it.
I propose all images of Che Guevara be banned as he interned gay people in concentration camps and tortured them
I propose banning the works of George Bernard Shaw given his support for Stalin (who murdered tens of millions of people)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/opinion/why-george-bernard-shaw-had-a-crush-on-stalin.amp.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433323/How-Shaw-defended-Stalins-mass-killings.html
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:27:38 PM
I propose banning the works of George Bernard Shaw given his support for Stalin (who murdered tens of millions of people)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/opinion/why-george-bernard-shaw-had-a-crush-on-stalin.amp.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433323/How-Shaw-defended-Stalins-mass-killings.html
Are the works themselves offensive?
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:20:07 PM
I propose all images of Che Guevara be banned as he interned gay people in concentration camps and tortured them
dont tell ghat to Mick wallace
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2020, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:27:38 PM
I propose banning the works of George Bernard Shaw given his support for Stalin (who murdered tens of millions of people)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/opinion/why-george-bernard-shaw-had-a-crush-on-stalin.amp.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433323/How-Shaw-defended-Stalins-mass-killings.html
Are the works themselves offensive?
I don't know but why would you promote and memorialize someone who supported such a vile regime
(https://i.imgur.com/ETDnRTH.jpg)
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 11, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 12:44:55 PM
I'm really intrigued by the amount of people here who have unironically used the line "where does it stop?".
It's like they cannot whatsoever comprehend the difference between deliberately using racist tropes to ridicule black people, and accurate depictions of racism which are an integral or perfectly legitimate part of a story.
I largely agree with Sid on this, it should be possible to discuss whether or not something is offensive or not without getting into ridiculous whataboutery. I personally don't think a lot of these things should be banned and the idea of having a notice at the beginning of the films seems like a good one.
That said, I'm not the one being portrayed in a negative light in most of these films - if the people who are being portrayed in a negative manner consider something in a film to be offensive then I might change my opinion on it.
It's much easier for not very bright people to argue against a straw man than to argue actual issues.
The right-wing culture war humanity is under attack from is based on
only ever arguing against straw men.
The straw men are designed to evoke a visceral reaction from straight, white men that their very existence is under attack.
The straw men are designed to destroy critical thinking and make everything a tribal war based on fake anger and offence on the part of the right-wing culture warrior.
The right-wing culture war and its straw men are designed to turn any assertion of rights on the part of traditionally marginalised groups in society, into an imagined "attack" on the straight, white male, ie. it deliberately distorts reality, in fact it turns reality completely on its head so that right-wing cultuure warriors are fooled into believing the opposite of reality.
The attack on so callled "political correctness" and the line "where does it stop?" are classic examples of this right-wing culture war fake victimhood.
Quite the neat trick the designers of this right-wing culture war have pulled off, really, and thoroughly depressing how many people are fooled by it.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 11, 2020, 03:20:10 PM
You should take a day off from being champion of the downtrodden.
Telling me to go away isn't an argument.
Speaks volumes that you have such a problem with the "downtrodden".
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 11:44:50 AM
Roots has slavery in it, so it has to be banned.
Likewise Schindler's List has clear anti semitism.
Oh boy. I've seen some stupid comments in my day but that takes the cake.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 11, 2020, 04:44:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ETDnRTH.jpg)
Yeah but they weren't though, were they?
Egypt: New Find Shows Slaves Didn't Build Pyramids
(https://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/12/egypt-new-find-shows-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids)
Great Pyramid tombs unearth 'proof' workers were not slaves (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt)
Hawass: 'The Great Pyramids were not built by slaves'
(https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/88439/Hawass-%E2%80%98The-Great-Pyramids-were-not-built-by-slaves%E2%80%99)
Can we ban anything whitey has posted as it's an offence to support pussy grabbing presidents?
Hopefully there will be more marching at theatres and cinemas like the good old Free p's back in the day
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 11, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 11, 2020, 04:44:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ETDnRTH.jpg)
Yeah but they weren't though, were they?
Egypt: New Find Shows Slaves Didn't Build Pyramids
(https://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/12/egypt-new-find-shows-slaves-didnt-build-pyramids)
Great Pyramid tombs unearth 'proof' workers were not slaves (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt)
Hawass: 'The Great Pyramids were not built by slaves'
(https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/88439/Hawass-%E2%80%98The-Great-Pyramids-were-not-built-by-slaves%E2%80%99)
Stargate nailed it already, the Go'auld.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Can we ban anything whitey has posted as it's an offence to support pussy grabbing presidents?
Hopefully there will be more marching at theatres and cinemas like the good old Free p's back in the day
If whitey is to be banned, surely it will be because of his username?
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2020, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:27:38 PM
I propose banning the works of George Bernard Shaw given his support for Stalin (who murdered tens of millions of people)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/opinion/why-george-bernard-shaw-had-a-crush-on-stalin.amp.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433323/How-Shaw-defended-Stalins-mass-killings.html
Are the works themselves offensive?
I don't know but why would you promote and memorialize someone who supported such a vile regime
Ok, so given your slippery slope ridiculing, what do you think is an appropriate response to art, whether it is racist or bigoted in itself, or produced by a racist or bigot? Monuments to confederate general, slave-dealers, white supremacists and so on?
You seem adamant that if society moves even an inch on this that there will be no end to it.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 11, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 12:44:55 PM
I'm really intrigued by the amount of people here who have unironically used the line "where does it stop?".
It's like they cannot whatsoever comprehend the difference between deliberately using racist tropes to ridicule black people, and accurate depictions of racism which are an integral or perfectly legitimate part of a story.
I largely agree with Sid on this, it should be possible to discuss whether or not something is offensive or not without getting into ridiculous whataboutery. I personally don't think a lot of these things should be banned and the idea of having a notice at the beginning of the films seems like a good one.
That said, I'm not the one being portrayed in a negative light in most of these films - if the people who are being portrayed in a negative manner consider something in a film to be offensive then I might change my opinion on it.
It's much easier for not very bright people to argue against a straw man than to argue actual issues.
The right-wing culture war humanity is under attack from is based on only ever arguing against straw men.
The straw men are designed to evoke a visceral reaction from straight, white men that their very existence is under attack.
The straw men are designed to destroy critical thinking and make everything a tribal war based on fake anger and offence on the part of the right-wing culture warrior.
The right-wing culture war and its straw men are designed to turn any assertion of rights on the part of traditionally marginalised groups in society, into an imagined "attack" on the straight, white male, ie. it deliberately distorts reality, in fact it turns reality completely on its head so that right-wing cultuure warriors are fooled into believing the opposite of reality.
The attack on so callled "political correctness" and the line "where does it stop?" are classic examples of this right-wing culture war fake victimhood.
Quite the neat trick the designers of this right-wing culture war have pulled off, really, and thoroughly depressing how many people are fooled by it.
why don't you give us a list of movies , books ,tv shows , statues that are offensive? We can argue each one .
Quote from: BennyCake on June 11, 2020, 06:23:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Can we ban anything whitey has posted as it's an offence to support pussy grabbing presidents?
Hopefully there will be more marching at theatres and cinemas like the good old Free p's back in the day
If whitey is to be banned, surely it will be because of his username?
A man near us has a dog called Blackie.
Surely Gladiator is way worse than GWTW?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 11, 2020, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 11, 2020, 06:23:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Can we ban anything whitey has posted as it's an offence to support pussy grabbing presidents?
Hopefully there will be more marching at theatres and cinemas like the good old Free p's back in the day
If whitey is to be banned, surely it will be because of his username?
A man near us has a dog called Blackie.
My first dog was called blackie! He turned grey very quickly but the name stayed ;D
We were picketed every night
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2020, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2020, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:27:38 PM
I propose banning the works of George Bernard Shaw given his support for Stalin (who murdered tens of millions of people)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/opinion/why-george-bernard-shaw-had-a-crush-on-stalin.amp.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433323/How-Shaw-defended-Stalins-mass-killings.html
Are the works themselves offensive?
I don't know but why would you promote and memorialize someone who supported such a vile regime
Ok, so given your slippery slope ridiculing, what do you think is an appropriate response to art, whether it is racist or bigoted in itself, or produced by a racist or bigot? Monuments to confederate general, slave-dealers, white supremacists and so on?
You seem adamant that if society moves even an inch on this that there will be no end to it.
So on the Mayo blog a few years ago, someone felt "excluded" by a Dia is Muire Linn on the crest.....should the crest be changed to reflect a new more diverse Ireland?
What about a club named after a Saint.....well if I'm a Muslim, a Hindu or an atheist.....I'm going to feel excluded too, so let's add them to the list
Che Guevara-tortured, murdered and imprisoned gay people. Let's ban the selling of tee shirts and posters bearing his image.
Town of Lucan.....re name it. Lord Lucan was a tyrant who let tens of thousands of his remnants starve
McBrides football club in Chicago....named after a Boer General (I believe).....rename it
Michael Cusack.....accused of being an anti Semite.....rename the Cusack Stand
Casement Park.....very compelling evidence that Casement was a paedophile.....rename it
Any pitch, team or competition named after an IRA/INLA member......rename them
If John Mitchell was a famous author would you be in favor of honoring and celebrating his work in the same way we do George Bernard Shaw?
Michael D Higgins-Eulogized Castro....make him recant and apologize given Castro's horrendous record on human rights
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 11, 2020, 06:57:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 11, 2020, 06:23:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Can we ban anything whitey has posted as it's an offence to support pussy grabbing presidents?
Hopefully there will be more marching at theatres and cinemas like the good old Free p's back in the day
If whitey is to be banned, surely it will be because of his username?
A man near us has a dog called Blackie.
Neighbours of ours had a dog called Darky. Another had one called Sambo.
Now that I think of it, a sambo is still a sandwich around here.
One of the statues being pulled down fell on someone last night and the guy is in critical condition, statues of black civil war soldiers and Lincoln are being vandalized, not very well educated activists.
Quote from: Gmac on June 11, 2020, 07:41:10 PM
One of the statues being pulled down fell on someone last night and the guy is in critical condition, statues of black civil war soldiers and Lincoln are being vandalized, not very well educated activists.
Id have watched the rioters in West Belfast for years during the troubles, they weren't educated also, watch a guy hurl a empty keg at a Saracen and it bounced off it and hit his mate!
Watched a guy throw a petrol bomb but as he lifted the arm to throw he poured the petrol over himself and light his body up. I could go on, rioters are nuts.
Why would you expect it to be any different now?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2020, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2020, 04:31:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 04:27:38 PM
I propose banning the works of George Bernard Shaw given his support for Stalin (who murdered tens of millions of people)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/opinion/why-george-bernard-shaw-had-a-crush-on-stalin.amp.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433323/How-Shaw-defended-Stalins-mass-killings.html
Are the works themselves offensive?
I don't know but why would you promote and memorialize someone who supported such a vile regime
Ok, so given your slippery slope ridiculing, what do you think is an appropriate response to art, whether it is racist or bigoted in itself, or produced by a racist or bigot? Monuments to confederate general, slave-dealers, white supremacists and so on?
You seem adamant that if society moves even an inch on this that there will be no end to it.
So on the Mayo blog a few years ago, someone felt "excluded" by a Dia is Muire Linn on the crest.....should the crest be changed to reflect a new more diverse Ireland?
What about a club named after a Saint.....well if I'm a Muslim, a Hindu or an atheist.....I'm going to feel excluded too, so let's add them to the list
Che Guevara-tortured, murdered and imprisoned gay people. Let's ban the selling of tee shirts and posters bearing his image.
Town of Lucan.....re name it. Lord Lucan was a tyrant who let tens of thousands of his remnants starve
McBrides football club in Chicago....named after a Boer General (I believe).....rename it
Michael Cusack.....accused of being an anti Semite.....rename the Cusack Stand
Casement Park.....very compelling evidence that Casement was a paedophile.....rename it
Any pitch, team or competition named after an IRA/INLA member......rename them
If John Mitchell was a famous author would you be in favor of honoring and celebrating his work in the same way we do George Bernard Shaw?
Michael D Higgins-Eulogized Castro....make him recant and apologize given Castro's horrendous record on human rights
More slippery slope bullshit. Can't you answer the question?
Is there NO circumstance under which you think it is appropriate to rename a school or remove a statue or stop showing a film?
Do you REALLY think removing a statue of Robert E Lee or Nathan Bedford Forrest from a southern town is the same thing as Michael D Higgins having praised Castro for whatever reason?
Do you REALLY think a religious name on a club team is the same as honouring someone who fought for or advocated for or carried out the enslavement of people based on their race.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
Women pretending to be men, I remember once there was a woman playing Robin Hood.
May McFeteridge will be out of a job
Sure....of course there is.
If you live in a town/city/state you have right to be outraged at Confederate Flags and Statues to Confederate War generals.
It's the "connect the dots" and selective outrage that I have a problem with.
Every town, village and family in Ireland has been impacted by child sexual abuse.....but yet no one is offended about a Stadium named after a paedophile ?
You have teams/pitches/competitions named after IRA/INLA members in the 6 counties....are the same people who have their hair on fire about John Mitchell as outraged for their Protestant neighbors who may have had family members "murdered" by those being memorialized.
Who gets to decide what's acceptable and not acceptable?
Jaws is fcuked. Didn't yer boy sing about Spanish women or something?
Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2020, 08:36:06 PM
Jaws is fcuked. Didn't yer boy sing about Spanish women or something?
Watched the three amigos the other day! I suppose that's offensive to cowboys
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2020, 08:18:57 PM
Sure....of course there is.
If you live in a town/city/state you have right to be outraged at Confederate Flags and Statues to Confederate War generals.
It's the "connect the dots" and selective outrage that I have a problem with.
Every town, village and family in Ireland has been impacted by child sexual abuse.....but yet no one is offended about a Stadium named after a paedophile ?
You have teams/pitches/competitions named after IRA/INLA members in the 6 counties....are the same people who have their hair on fire about John Mitchell as outraged for their Protestant neighbors who may have had family members "murdered" by those being memorialized.
Who gets to decide what's acceptable and not acceptable?
Surely much of what you term "selective outrage" is down to ignorance and education.
Most people go about their day not having a clue who the street is named after or who yer man up there on the pedestal is and what he's famous for.
Does that mean that you DON'T address the stuff you DO know about?
Cuomo gave a piss-weak defense of the Columbus statue in Columbus Circle in NYC today, saying it was now more a symbol of Italian-Americans than Columbus or his actions. He then almost ran out of the press conference without allowing a follow up question! ;D
He's usually fairly thoughtful in his press conferences, but would the obvious response to his reasoning not to be to find another f**king person to represent Italian America, if that's what the issue is? Would he defend a statue of Al Capone for that reason?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 10, 2020, 10:44:58 AM
Things like this drive me mad.
Regardless of his extra curricular behaviour, Kevin Spacey was one of the best actors in history, but Netflix and co have tried to airbrush him from their portfolio.
All I want to do is watch KPax, and I can't. Sad face.
K-Pax - one of my all time favourite films.
The Dukes of Hazzard will be next.
And general_lee will probably be turfed off GAA board.
I'll probably have to get rid of my Dixie horn too now ffs.
Daisy Duke!!
I'd put up a picture but I'll get kicked off board
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
I presume you turned off the telly in protest any time you saw Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage. Apres Match too.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 10:21:45 PM
Daisy Duke!!
I'd put up a picture but I'll get kicked off board
Where's the downside in that?
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Quote from: ONeill on June 11, 2020, 08:36:06 PM
Jaws is fcuked. Didn't yer boy sing about Spanish women or something?
Watched the three amigos the other day! I suppose that's offensive to cowboys
One of my favourite films.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
I presume you turned off the telly in protest any time you saw Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage. Apres Match too.
Of course, I didn't turn off the TV, it is funny, that is the whole point every panto has this.
I suppose sarcasm is a bit beyond you.
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
I presume you turned off the telly in protest any time you saw Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage. Apres Match too.
Of course, I didn't turn off the TV, it is funny, that is the whole point every panto has this.
I suppose sarcasm is a bit beyond you.
I love sarcasm, I just prefer when it isn't dripping with transphobia.
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
I presume you turned off the telly in protest any time you saw Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage. Apres Match too.
Of course, I didn't turn off the TV, it is funny, that is the whole point every panto has this.
I suppose sarcasm is a bit beyond you.
I love sarcasm, I just prefer when it isn't dripping with transphobia.
No doubt you prefer people to agree with your nonsense.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 10:45:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
I presume you turned off the telly in protest any time you saw Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage. Apres Match too.
Of course, I didn't turn off the TV, it is funny, that is the whole point every panto has this.
I suppose sarcasm is a bit beyond you.
I love sarcasm, I just prefer when it isn't dripping with transphobia.
No doubt you prefer people to agree with your nonsense.
Shouting "nonsense" at somebody isn't an argument.
Fawlty Towers. Basil comparing Manuel to an ape, the "O'Reilly" episode.
Don't mention the war.
Just watched After life. Few scenes (if you're a snowflake) were a bit risky, 'Chinese dick'
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
I presume you turned off the telly in protest any time you saw Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage. Apres Match too.
Of course, I didn't turn off the TV, it is funny, that is the whole point every panto has this.
I suppose sarcasm is a bit beyond you.
I love sarcasm, I just prefer when it isn't dripping with transphobia.
No doubt you prefer people to agree with your nonsense.
Shouting "nonsense" at somebody isn't an argument.
Accusing them of "transphobia" isn't an argument either, at least nonsense is a real word.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 12, 2020, 12:40:22 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 12, 2020, 12:02:15 AM
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Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 10:45:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 11, 2020, 10:26:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
I presume you turned off the telly in protest any time you saw Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage. Apres Match too.
Of course, I didn't turn off the TV, it is funny, that is the whole point every panto has this.
I suppose sarcasm is a bit beyond you.
I love sarcasm, I just prefer when it isn't dripping with transphobia.
No doubt you prefer people to agree with your nonsense.
Shouting "nonsense" at somebody isn't an argument.
Accusing them of "transphobia" isn't an argument either, at least nonsense is a real word.
I dont know why you bother Sid/Syferus is the board's version of Titania McGrath (except that latter is a parody).
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2020, 03:13:32 PM
Will the pantos be done away with?
No, but from now on they'll have men pretending to be women to be more inclusive.
I presume you turned off the telly in protest any time you saw Dame Edna Everage and Lily Savage. Apres Match too.
Of course, I didn't turn off the TV, it is funny, that is the whole point every panto has this.
I suppose sarcasm is a bit beyond you.
I love sarcasm, I just prefer when it isn't dripping with transphobia.
No doubt you prefer people to agree with your nonsense.
Shouting "nonsense" at somebody isn't an argument.
Accusing them of "transphobia" isn't an argument either, at least nonsense is a real word.
No, it very much is an argument, it's just one that you completely refuse to listen to. You don't have to tell us why that is, we already know.
Projection and denial in action is pretty sad to watch.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
Fawlty Towers. Basil comparing Manuel to an ape, the "O'Reilly" episode.
Don't mention the war.
She's gone from UK tv. One episode anyway.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
Fawlty Towers. Basil comparing Manuel to an ape, the "O'Reilly" episode.
Don't mention the war.
She's gone from UK tv. One episode anyway.
So will all war movies that mentions Germans within the film in a derogatory way, be banned?
TOM AND JERRY!!!... "THOMAAASSS!!"
Ffs that will be next.
I think the PC brigade can be overbearing at times. The flip side of that is that I honestly think that this country is still highly racist, homophobic and sectarian.
There is not a day that passes that I don't hear a comment falling into one of the three brackets above. I am the father of a member of the LGBT community, some of my work colleagues know this, the daily abuse of gay people is a constant in the office. Some of this is just ingrained on how we all speak to each other here as groups of men, and most of the time it doesnt bother me, but at times it hurts.
You mention sectarian Fear - isnt it amazing the abuse McClean gets everytime he steps foot on a field and very little if anything from the FA or these people currently speaking out?
Now JMC doesnt help himself at times but the hypocrisy is staggering
Quote from: Taylor on June 12, 2020, 11:36:32 AM
You mention sectarian Fear - isnt it amazing the abuse McClean gets everytime he steps foot on a field and very little if anything from the FA or these people currently speaking out?
Now JMC doesnt help himself at times but the hypocrisy is staggering
His history lessons to his kid is as about as funny as a punch in the mouth.
I'd say had people from the West Indies, Africa and other British colonies had have settled in the north during the mass immigration time of the 50's/60's I believe it would have been as bad here as it is in England and American.
Loads of racial undertones around Belfast growing up
Any of you that have Enid Blyton books, I'd get rid of them fairly quick while you still might get a few bob or them. Pretty soon they'll be burnt in a large pile in Piccadilly Circus, with 'Huck,,Finn' thrown in too. Either that, or they'll go underground, opening a nice little niche market for them.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 12, 2020, 10:08:02 AM
TOM AND JERRY!!!... "THOMAAASSS!!"
Ffs that will be next.
And rightly so.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
Fawlty Towers. Basil comparing Manuel to an ape, the "O'Reilly" episode.
Don't mention the war.
She's gone from UK tv. One episode anyway.
https://twitter.com/gdimelow/status/1271341519010701312
For the last f**king time:
1) It's not because of the war
2) It's about repeated use of the N word
3) BBC edited the offending scene in 2013
4) Cleese fully approved of it
5) Netflix & UKTV were airing unedited version
6) Edited version will likely be used in future
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
Fawlty Towers. Basil comparing Manuel to an ape, the "O'Reilly" episode.
Don't mention the war.
She's gone from UK tv. One episode anyway.
John Cleese is not happy,
https://www.theage.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/john-cleese-slams-uktv-decision-to-remove-fawlty-towers-episode-as-stupid-20200612-p5523w.html (https://www.theage.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/john-cleese-slams-uktv-decision-to-remove-fawlty-towers-episode-as-stupid-20200612-p5523w.html)
John Cleese has railed at the decision of BBC-owned streamer UKTV to remove the famous The Germans episode of Fawlty Towers from its platform, labelling people who failed to see it as a critique of racist attitudes rather than an endorsement of them as "stupid".
"One of the things I've learned in the last 180 years is that people have very different senses of humour," "Some of them understand that if you put nonsense words into the mouth of someone you want to make fun of you're not broadcasting their views, you're making fun of them."
"The Major was an old fossil left over from decades before. We were not supporting his views, we were making fun of them," "If they can't see that, if people are too stupid to see that, what can one say?
To a degree, he added, it was possible that
the focus on Fawlty Towers and other "problematic" cultural content gave media an easy way out by allowing them to avoid engaging with the more substantial aims of the (BLM) movement.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 12, 2020, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
Fawlty Towers. Basil comparing Manuel to an ape, the "O'Reilly" episode.
Don't mention the war.
She's gone from UK tv. One episode anyway.
https://twitter.com/gdimelow/status/1271341519010701312
For the last f**king time:
1) It's not because of the war
2) It's about repeated use of the N word
3) BBC edited the offending scene in 2013
4) Cleese fully approved of it
5) Netflix & UKTV were airing unedited version
6) Edited version will likely be used in future
Who cares ffs! There's hundreds of films on tv that use the N words, repeatedly