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Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« Reply #4530 on: July 18, 2017, 11:17:58 AM »
I agree it's a big call whether to hold back Sean or not and in general I think no he should start, but my main argument was that should we meet the Dubs in the semi, it could be a huge boost to the team knowing that after 50 mins he was coming in fresh. He would be really chomping at the bit to get on and lift his team in that crucial final 20 mins where the Dubs usually unleash their cavalry to push them over the line.
Mickey has used his more natural scoring forwards as subs in the last 15-20 mins of games and so rather than Sean being pulled and dragged all game he would be coming in fresh and with a point to prove.

Good discussion RHSanta and too many of us forget those days when Tyrone were NOT a dominant force even in Ulster and so getting to Croke park was only a rare experience. Now we expect to at least make a quarterfinal every year.

I think the county board we right to hold off though to see would we come out of the shadow of Donegal (and maybe Monaghan) in Ulster. I think Mickey has listened a bit to the Tyrone people's views and has changed his ways a bit.
He brought in a new younger backroom team and we are playing a much more enjoyable brand of football this year I feel and are not so one dimensional. Other years you would expect them to always to short kick-outs and always to run the ball whereas this year there is some more long balls being kicked in.

Of course, should we lose the next game or against the Dubs then there will be those doubters again who just want him out no matter what he did but I can definitely say I've enjoyed watching our games a lot more this year than last year and there seems to be a feeling again that progress has been made.

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« Reply #4531 on: July 18, 2017, 11:39:17 AM »
Sean Cavanagh starting or being held back is a non story..  Sean will start if he's fit.  He's well capable of playing 70minutes championship football fitness or age isn't the issue.  Any opposition seeing a Tyrone 15 without Sean Cavanagh will automatically be buoyant and lifted. 

Cavanagh is up there with Canavan as our best ever.  If fit he starts 
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« Reply #4532 on: July 18, 2017, 12:31:27 PM »
Even im startin to enjoy the football! Never doubted the players and I'm certain they are good enough to beat Dublin and kerry if we keep letting them play positive.

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« Reply #4533 on: July 18, 2017, 12:32:36 PM »
Even im startin to enjoy the football! Never doubted the players and I'm certain they are good enough to beat Dublin and kerry if we keep letting them play positive.

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« Reply #4534 on: July 18, 2017, 12:47:50 PM »
Lol. I have him tied up in a dark room up in garvaghy.

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« Reply #4535 on: July 18, 2017, 01:04:22 PM »
Mickey you gotta let him go. How did you get his password or was he already logged on and you got his phone.

Strange times indeed. Even Fearon and Main Street seem to be saying Tyrone have moved on to a new level.

Tyrone GAA, do you not see any advantage on Tyrone playing a containment style game to frustrate the Dubs (should we get there) in the first half and then maybe bring Sean on then in the 2nd half?
My point is often it's the final 15-20 mins of a game that is the crucial time or the start of that third quarter.

Also, as you know Sean is always targetted now from the start of games and we don't want him going into the 2nd half with another yellow card next to his name. He needs to be careful with that arm in around the shoulder tackle that he does quite often as he's such a big man.

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« Reply #4536 on: July 18, 2017, 01:34:48 PM »
Mickey you gotta let him go. How did you get his password or was he already logged on and you got his phone.

Strange times indeed. Even Fearon and Main Street seem to be saying Tyrone have moved on to a new level.

Tyrone GAA, do you not see any advantage on Tyrone playing a containment style game to frustrate the Dubs (should we get there) in the first half and then maybe bring Sean on then in the 2nd half?
My point is often it's the final 15-20 mins of a game that is the crucial time or the start of that third quarter.

Also, as you know Sean is always targetted now from the start of games and we don't want him going into the 2nd half with another yellow card next to his name. He needs to be careful with that arm in around the shoulder tackle that he does quite often as he's such a big man.

Fuzz, from what I have seen to date I'm very confident with the current defensive structure in place.  Colm Cavanagh offers the necessary protection in front of goals and I have been impressed by the amount of times our defence turnover the opposition.  I don't think Sean not starting is even an option worth exploring, that would suggest he isn't capable of 70mins football???  Sean's role in the side is a new one.  I hate to see him in and around our half back line (where he tends to pick up the odd yellow).  He shouldn't be allowed to pass midfield and be that option for the out ball with Harte/McCann/Donnelly bombing forward in support.

I do feel against Dublin if we leave Bradley as the only inside man that could spell trouble we will be solely reliant on the running game that Dublin can easily match with the likes of Jack Mccaffery and James McCarthy
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« Reply #4537 on: July 18, 2017, 02:05:42 PM »
The big worry for us is the way Dublin defend in their full back line. They're so strong they, more or less, mark their men from the front. Colm Parkinson was on about this in his podcast and lamenting Kildare not going for more ball over the top as Flynn and Brophy would be to big men who could take advantage of that. Mark Bradley is built for pace and movement, the Dublin backs could eat that up all day. My fear is the one man FF line works against weaker opposition but the big teams exploit this massively. Bradley has done a great job so far by creating space, winning ball out in front and laying off for the runners. This will be harder against a team like Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry.

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« Reply #4538 on: July 18, 2017, 02:14:07 PM »
Was wondering about the age of most of these players and who among them have won minors and u21s.
Like was Declan McClure an U21 winner or did he miss out?
Are Harte, Mattie and McNabb the only minors who made it through to this team?

If anyone can fill in what years players won a minor or U21 that would be great below and if you know their age?
Are Sean, Colm, McCarron and Justy the only ones with senior AI medals?
It's a pity the Tyronegaa.ie website doesn't do player profiles

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 61 (18) - Did he not play underage for Tyrone?
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 97 (25)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 64 (19)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 99 (26)                 2008 AI Senior winner (sub)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 56 (15)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a’Ghuail – 22 (4)               2015 AI U21 winner
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 118 (39)                 2008 AI minor winner
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 136 (50)                    2008 AI Senior winner (came on)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 28 (6)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 7 (2)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 29 (7)                      2010 AI minor winner
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a’Chaortainn 19 (5)           2015 AI U21 winner
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 35 (14)                  2015 AI U21 winner
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 236 (86)                 2008 AI Senior winner
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 92 (29)                         2008 AI minor winner
16 – Michael O’Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)                           2015 AI U21 winner
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)                                2015 AI U21 winner
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)                            2015 AI U21 winner
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)                               2015 AI U21 winner
20 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)                       2010 AI minor winner
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 11 (2)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 74 (27)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)                  2005 & 08 AI senior winner
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill 28 (9)        2015 AI U21 winner
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)                         2015 AI U21 winner
26 – Ronan O’Neill – An Omaigh – 65 (15)                       2010 AI minor winner
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Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« Reply #4539 on: July 18, 2017, 03:01:18 PM »
The big worry for us is the way Dublin defend in their full back line. They're so strong they, more or less, mark their men from the front. Colm Parkinson was on about this in his podcast and lamenting Kildare not going for more ball over the top as Flynn and Brophy would be to big men who could take advantage of that. Mark Bradley is built for pace and movement, the Dublin backs could eat that up all day. My fear is the one man FF line works against weaker opposition but the big teams exploit this massively. Bradley has done a great job so far by creating space, winning ball out in front and laying off for the runners. This will be harder against a team like Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry.

So youse play Dublin in the qf then?

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« Reply #4540 on: July 18, 2017, 03:12:36 PM »
The big worry for us is the way Dublin defend in their full back line. They're so strong they, more or less, mark their men from the front. Colm Parkinson was on about this in his podcast and lamenting Kildare not going for more ball over the top as Flynn and Brophy would be to big men who could take advantage of that. Mark Bradley is built for pace and movement, the Dublin backs could eat that up all day. My fear is the one man FF line works against weaker opposition but the big teams exploit this massively. Bradley has done a great job so far by creating space, winning ball out in front and laying off for the runners. This will be harder against a team like Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry.

So youse play Dublin in the qf then?

No its Kildare in the Quarter Final, Dublin in the semi final and Kerry in the Final.  8)
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« Reply #4541 on: July 18, 2017, 03:45:35 PM »
Does there still be that GOAL charity match for the winners a few days after the final? Wonder who we would play in that?

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« Reply #4542 on: July 18, 2017, 03:58:51 PM »
I don't know folks but I think ye are all getting away ahead of yerselves here.
I mean Kerry will be sitting waiting in the final for us having beaten Galway and Roscommon in the quarters and semis.


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« Reply #4543 on: July 18, 2017, 04:11:27 PM »
I don't know folks but I think ye are all getting away ahead of yerselves here.
I mean Kerry will be sitting waiting in the final for us having beaten Galway and Roscommon in the quarters and semis.

Will you head to the banquet yourself Fuzzman? Or head up the road on the Sunday evening for the homecoming on Monday in Aughnacloy/Garvaghy? You can stay with STG!

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« Reply #4544 on: July 18, 2017, 05:25:15 PM »
Naw, I'll hold off for the 3 in a row banquet square_ball. You can't be going to that every year. Wile dear.
That's if there's not a West and East Tyrone by then.

Actually I was at the Donegal banquet in 2012 when Jim McG got me in for free to the afters.

Lenny, I'm curious how you see the semifinals shaping up. How would you like to play who and with what final outcome?
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