Paul McGinley has announced his wild card picks for Europe.
Full team.
Automatic qualifiers:
1 Rory McIlroy (NI)
2 Henrik Stenson (Swe)
3 Victor Dubuisson (Fra)
4 Jamie Donaldson (Wal)
5 Sergio García (Sp)
6 Justin Rose (Eng)
7 Martin Kaymer (Ger)
8 Thomas Bjorn (Den)
9 Graeme McDowell (NI)
Wild-card picks:
10 Ian Poulter (Eng)
11 Stephen Gallacher (Scot)
12 Lee Westwood (Eng)
Big call leaving Luke Donald out. Not surprised he picked Poulter as he has a great Ryder Cup record even if he is a twat (imo)
Donald's record isn't too bad either - 10.5 points out of possible 15!
Apparently Luke Donald is in the middle of re-defining his swing, so that's not ideal. You want to be fair comfortable going into this.
Stayed in Gleneagles a couple of weeks ago. The commercialisation of the place for this is unreal. Ryder Cup getting bigger with every incarnation.
The Americans are winning this going away, hate to say it but I think we are in for a tanking!
Quote from: stew on September 02, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
The Americans are winning this going away, hate to say it but I think we are in for a tanking!
Why? Are Americans golfing that well?
Is Stew using "we" as an American? Because that's the only thing I can think of.
There's little to no excitement about this years contest on the American side of things TV and media wise.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: stew on September 02, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
The Americans are winning this going away, hate to say it but I think we are in for a tanking!
Why? Are Americans golfing that well?
They have Tom Watson. Europe have Paul McGinley.
Neither of whom can play. I think Captain at the Ryder Cup must be the most overhyped position of all time.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Neither of whom can play. I think Captain at the Ryder Cup must be the most overhyped position of all time.
There's no bigger responsibility than captaining your continent in a golf game.
McGinley is not up to the job - he's happy to just be in the job, and he's left out a supreme match player in Luke Donald for a local lad, in an effort to curry favour with the Scots. That's weak captaincy. Sandy Lyle or Monty should be leading us.
Watson's presence on the other hand will galvanise the Yanks. He's the only US captain to win in Europe in the last three decades. He'll do it again and he'll lead like FDR.
Are you for real? I can never tell when you're on the pisstake and when you're serious.
Quote from: Sidney on September 02, 2014, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Neither of whom can play. I think Captain at the Ryder Cup must be the most overhyped position of all time.
There's no bigger responsibility than captaining your continent in a golf game.
McGinley is not up to the job - he's happy to just be in the job, and he's left out a supreme match player in Luke Donald for a local lad, in an effort to curry favour with the Scots. That's weak captaincy. Sandy Lyle or Monty should be leading us.
Watson's presence on the other hand will galvanise the Yanks. He's the only US captain to win in Europe in the last three decades. He'll do it again and he'll lead like FDR.
Monty said on sky sports today that he would pick Gallacher if he was captain. He didn't say who he would leave out to be fair.
There has been only one truly awful captain, and that was Halimony Sutton, and he had the misfortune to be up against one of the few truly outstanding captains in Bernhard Langer. It's down to the players.
Quote from: deiseach on September 02, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
There has been only one truly awful captain, and that was Halimony Sutton, and he had the misfortune to be up against one of the few truly outstanding captains in Bernhard Langer. It's down to the players.
Nick Faldo was awful too.
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on September 02, 2014, 05:03:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 02, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
There has been only one truly awful captain, and that was Halimony Sutton, and he had the misfortune to be up against one of the few truly outstanding captains in Bernhard Langer. It's down to the players.
Nick Faldo was awful too.
He got the PR all wrong, but the Americans were in the zone that weekend. I don't think anyone could have made a difference.
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on September 02, 2014, 05:03:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 02, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
There has been only one truly awful captain, and that was Halimony Sutton, and he had the misfortune to be up against one of the few truly outstanding captains in Bernhard Langer. It's down to the players.
Nick Faldo was awful too.
Cringeworthy.
Quote from: deiseach on September 02, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on September 02, 2014, 05:03:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 02, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
There has been only one truly awful captain, and that was Halimony Sutton, and he had the misfortune to be up against one of the few truly outstanding captains in Bernhard Langer. It's down to the players.
Nick Faldo was awful too.
He got the PR all wrong, but the Americans were in the zone that weekend. I don't think anyone could have made a difference.
DJ Spooney was a vice captain. He got more than the PR all wrong!
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on September 02, 2014, 05:16:25 PM
DJ Spooney was a vice captain. He got more than the PR all wrong!
;D Point taken!
Ryder Cup captaincy is probably the most overstated role in sport.
It's an ambassadorial role more than anything else, and Paul is a fine ambassador.
It's possible that an awful captain could demotivate things and manage to influence a loss, but they have absolutely no way to influence a victory. Golf just isn't a team sport in that way, it's all down to individual vs individual.
By the way, course knowledge and suitability are two of the prime factors in success at every level of the sport, from the Rorys down to the society golfer. Look at Gallacher's career stats at Gleneagles and you'll see that he always had to be first pick.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2014, 05:42:10 PM
Ryder Cup captaincy is probably the most overstated role in sport.
It's an ambassadorial role more than anything else, and Paul is a fine ambassador.
It's possible that an awful captain could demotivate things and manage to influence a loss, but they have absolutely no way to influence a victory. Golf just isn't a team sport in that way, it's all down to individual vs individual.
By the way, course knowledge and suitability are two of the prime factors in success at every level of the sport, from the Rorys down to the society golfer. Look at Gallacher's career stats at Gleneagles and you'll see that he always had to be first pick.
Totall disagree with your take on the captaincy role. Granted the captain doesn't play but other than that he influences the rest of the team in the same way that any captain does for any team.
The non-playing thing is more than offset by the responsibility that he assumes in being the man who picks the team.
this should be a reasonably straightforward european victory. Even with the jingoistic behavior of their clients Paddy Power are still offering a hefty 2.62 for the US to lift the cup...
captain's picks in today for the US Simpson Bradley and Mahan, for Europe, Westwood, Poulter and Gallacher.
Quote from: heganboy on September 02, 2014, 07:45:16 PM
this should be a reasonably straightforward european victory. Even with the jingoistic behavior of their clients Paddy Power are still offering a hefty 2.62 for the US to lift the cup...
I don't honestly think you can draw an accurate form chart for matchplay golf from strokeplay form. They're completely different mental pressures, and it's mostly a mental game for the top pros.
And even if you do, yep Europe are top heavy with the best players, but in a straight-up 12-man singles match where the best players face off against each other, USA would actually be winning on world rankings 8-4.
https://news.yahoo.com/world-ranking-comparison-ryder-cup-teams-001542490--golf.html
America are a very good price here.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 03, 2014, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: heganboy on September 02, 2014, 07:45:16 PM
this should be a reasonably straightforward european victory. Even with the jingoistic behavior of their clients Paddy Power are still offering a hefty 2.62 for the US to lift the cup...
I don't honestly think you can draw an accurate form chart for matchplay golf from strokeplay form. They're completely different mental pressures, and it's mostly a mental game for the top pros.
And even if you do, yep Europe are top heavy with the best players, but in a straight-up 12-man singles match where the best players face off against each other, USA would actually be winning on world rankings 8-4.
https://news.yahoo.com/world-ranking-comparison-ryder-cup-teams-001542490--golf.html
America are a very good price here.
If you rejigged that list, Europe could also win the match ups 9-3. ;)
There is no rankings mis-match like in previous years, so it will hardly be a factor. Not that it was a reliable compass. 119th ranked Phillip Price beating 2nd ranked Phil Mickelson et al.
Not having Tiger Woods in the team is probably a plus for the USA. Was it just a coincidence that their only win in this Millennium occurred when he wasn't on the team?
9 - 3 to Europe!
1-Rory McIlroy (Northern Ireland) 7-Jim Furyk
3-Henrik Stenson (Sweden) 8-Matt Kuchar
4-Sergio Garcia (Spain) 9-Bubba Watson
5-Justin Rose (Britain) 10-Phil Mickelson
12-Martin Kaymer (Germany) 14-Jordan Spieth
16-Graeme McDowell (Northern Ireland) 19-Jimmy Walker
21-Victor Dubuisson (France) 23-Keegan Bradley
26-Thomas Bjorn (Denmark) 27-Patrick Reed
28-Jamie Donaldson (Wales) 32-Webb Simpson
36-Ian Poulter (England) 11-Rickie Fowler
38-Lee Westwood (England) 15-Zach Johnson
33-Stephen Gallacher (Scotland) 20-Hunter Mahan
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 02, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
Is Stew using "we" as an American? Because that's the only thing I can think of.
There's little to no excitement about this years contest on the American side of things TV and media wise.
Why would I do that? I am not a yank.
You are more Canadian than Irish at this stage, and to be fair uf you cannot ascertain that I am a european from my post you are a dolt!
Woah. Relax stew.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Woah. Relax stew.
I am relaxed, I just hate stupid!
McGinley will go down as one of the worst captains ever, Donald should be on that team and should be one of the main men. Gallagher is shite compared to him.
Quote from: stew on September 03, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Woah. Relax stew.
I am relaxed, I just hate stupid!
McGinley will go down as one of the worst captains ever, Donald should be on that team and should be one of the main men. Gallagher is shite compared to him.
;D
Quote from: stew on September 03, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Woah. Relax stew.
I am relaxed, I just hate stupid!
McGinley will go down as one of the worst captains ever, Donald should be on that team and should be one of the main men. Gallagher is shite compared to him.
Gallacher has a terrible career matchplay record. P7 L7 in singles. His fourballs and foursomes record is nothing to write home about either.
Donald on the other hand has a superb record of W10 L4 H1 in Ryder Cups.
McGinley is out of his depth here - reminiscent of David Moyes.
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 10:29:45 AM
Quote from: stew on September 03, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Woah. Relax stew.
I am relaxed, I just hate stupid!
McGinley will go down as one of the worst captains ever, Donald should be on that team and should be one of the main men. Gallagher is shite compared to him.
Gallacher has a terrible career matchplay record. P7 L7 in singles. His fourballs and foursomes record is nothing to write home about either.
Donald on the other hand has a superb record of W10 L4 H1 in Ryder Cups.
McGinley is out of his depth here - reminiscent of David Moyes.
I know I shouldn't but......Why is he out of his depth?
Quote from: muppet on September 04, 2014, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 10:29:45 AM
Quote from: stew on September 03, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Woah. Relax stew.
I am relaxed, I just hate stupid!
McGinley will go down as one of the worst captains ever, Donald should be on that team and should be one of the main men. Gallagher is shite compared to him.
Gallacher has a terrible career matchplay record. P7 L7 in singles. His fourballs and foursomes record is nothing to write home about either.
Donald on the other hand has a superb record of W10 L4 H1 in Ryder Cups.
McGinley is out of his depth here - reminiscent of David Moyes.
I know I shouldn't but......Why is he out of his depth?
Not just his wild card picks but his whole demeanour is one of just being happy to be in the job. McGinley is a weak, Moyes-type character.
Contrast that to the legendary Tom Watson, a man who commands instant respect and loyalty just by being who he is. He's like Jimmy Barry-Murphy in this regard.
It's not for nothing that Watson is the only US captain in the last three decades to win in Europe.
The Ryder Cup is war. Monty and Darren Clarke saw how Watson would galvanise the Yanks, saw McGinley's weakness and saw that Europe needed a leader who would command instant respect - Monty. It's a disaster for golf on this continent that the Field Marshal will not command our troops.
Quote from: muppet on September 04, 2014, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 10:29:45 AM
Quote from: stew on September 03, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Woah. Relax stew.
I am relaxed, I just hate stupid!
McGinley will go down as one of the worst captains ever, Donald should be on that team and should be one of the main men. Gallagher is shite compared to him.
Gallacher has a terrible career matchplay record. P7 L7 in singles. His fourballs and foursomes record is nothing to write home about either.
Donald on the other hand has a superb record of W10 L4 H1 in Ryder Cups.
McGinley is out of his depth here - reminiscent of David Moyes.
I know I shouldn't but......Why is he out of his depth?
Isn't it obvious? I mean how can an average professional golfer possibly compete with one of the all time great golfers... at not playing golf?
That lack of confidence that has haunted Phil Mickelson's career will be banished forever by Tom's pep talk. Watson's momma's secret recipe for grits will see Bubba driving all the par 4s. That unusual thing that happens at the top of Furyk's swing, well we ain't seeing that no more - Tom will fix it on the plane over. And so on.
Most overstated position in the whole of sport.
Look at how the European team fought to the death for Jose Maria Olazabal last time. Olly is a man who bleeds navy blue blood with yellow stars in it. Olly, like his great friend Seve before him, would fight to the death for the European cause and the players knew this. That's why they fought so hard for him.
If McGinley had been in charge the US would likely have won something like 19 and half to 8 and a half.
The Ryder Cup is not about playing for your club, your county, or even your country. It's bigger than that. It's about representing your continent. To lead your continent takes a man of substance. In world sport, only being coach of the British Loins rugby team, where you must lead an Empire, is more demanding.
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 10:53:19 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 04, 2014, 10:39:26 AM
I know I shouldn't but......Why is he out of his depth?
Not just his wild card picks but his whole demeanour is one of just being happy to be in the job. McGinley is a weak, Moyes-type character.
Contrast that to the legendary Tom Watson, a man who commands instant respect and loyalty just by being who he is. He's like Jimmy Barry-Murphy in this regard.
It's not for nothing that Watson is the only US captain in the last three decades to win in Europe.
The Ryder Cup is war. Monty and Darren Clarke saw how Watson would galvanise the Yanks, saw McGinley's weakness and saw that Europe needed a leader who would command instant respect - Monty. It's a disaster for golf on this continent that the Field Marshal will not command our troops.
I see, you don't actually have a real point.
Sidney, you just brought it one step too far :D
Quote from: muppet on September 04, 2014, 11:21:37 AM
I see, you don't actually have a real point.
I expect that's what they'll be saying about Paul McGinley's European team after the morning foursomes on the opening day of the 2014 Ryder Cup.
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
Look at how the European team fought to the death for Jose Maria Olazabal last time. Olly is a man who bleeds navy blue blood with yellow stars in it. Olly, like his great friend Seve before him, would fight to the death for the European cause and the players knew this. That's why they fought so hard for him.
If McGinley had been in charge the US would likely have won something like 19 and half to 8 and a half.
The Ryder Cup is not about playing for your club, your county, or even your country. It's bigger than that. It's about representing your continent. To lead your continent takes a man of substance. In world sport, only being coach of the British Loins rugby team, where you must lead an Empire, is more demanding.
Your love of Field Marshals and British Loins is disturbing.
Seems to me that where the British, er, Lions are concerned, they're not leading an Empire - they're taking it on.
Quote from: Sidney on September 04, 2014, 11:17:04 AM
Look at how the European team fought to the death for Jose Maria Olazabal last time. Olly is a man who bleeds navy blue blood with yellow stars in it. Olly, like his great friend Seve before him, would fight to the death for the European cause and the players knew this. That's why they fought so hard for him.
If McGinley had been in charge the US would likely have won something like 19 and half to 8 and a half.
The Ryder Cup is not about playing for your club, your county, or even your country. It's bigger than that. It's about representing your continent. To lead your continent takes a man of substance. In world sport, only being coach of the British Loins rugby team, where you must lead an Empire, is more demanding.
Haha I think you've lost the run of yourself a wee bit there. Representing your continent? Bar the players & media hype who really cares?
"In a serious depression after Europe got beat there at the weekend"
"Who's going celebrating, Europe have just won the Ryder Cup"
Two statements I don't think you'll ever hear uttered on any continent. Yes its interesting watching players from a normally individual sport compete in teams, but after that its just a novelty act.
Whats next, captaining Earth in the solar system 5 a side tournament?
The funny thing about Olazabal's captaincy, "the man who bleeds European golf", is that the bits of the event he might have a slight semblance of influence upon - by pairing up the right teammates and tactics for foursomes and fourballs - were when Europe got left behind. Putting 12 men into a sweepstake for the singles isn't really an act of skill, no matter how hard anyone tries to convince themselves.
The more I think about it, I'd draw parallels to the skills involved in Ryder Cup captaincy and the skills involved in Deal or No Deal. There's more than a few idiots believe there's a strategy involved in that game too.
If you need an example from the past of a player holding his nerve in the white-heat of the Ryder Cup it was Davis Love III in 1993, coming from one down with two to play to beat Costantino Rocca and turn a 14-14 draw, which would have retained the trophy for Europe, into a 15-13 win. This made Tom Watson a genius. Yet two years ago Love could do nothing as his team were hammered in the singles by Europe. Nobody knows anything.
Quote from: north aontroim gael on September 04, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
Haha I think you've lost the run of yourself a wee bit there. Representing your continent? Bar the players & media hype who really cares?
"In a serious depression after Europe got beat there at the weekend"
"Who's going celebrating, Europe have just won the Ryder Cup"
Two statements I don't think you'll ever hear uttered on any continent. Yes its interesting watching players from a normally individual sport compete in teams, but after that its just a novelty act.
Whats next, captaining Earth in the solar system 5 a side tournament?
In just over three weeks time, from Ardara to Athens, from Madeira to Murmansk, a continent will hold it's collective breath. This is the event that defines us as a people. It's part of what we are. This is the Ryder Cup, and this will be epic.
Quote from: deiseach on September 04, 2014, 12:22:16 PM
If you need an example from the past of a player holding his nerve in the white-heat of the Ryder Cup it was Davis Love III in 1993, coming from one down with two to play to beat Costantino Rocca and turn a 14-14 draw, which would have retained the trophy for Europe, into a 15-13 win. This made Tom Watson a genius. Yet two years ago Love could do nothing as his team were hammered in the singles by Europe. Nobody knows anything.
Indeed, and Faldo, in 1995, turned his game around from 1 down at 17, to win a point which was the key at Oakhill.
Great clip of Faldo and Seve at the end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNGZyF-I1TA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNGZyF-I1TA)
But he wasn't much of a Captain either.
Masterful, Sidney.
ONeill, look to your laurels.
You assume Sidney is not O'Neill mark 135.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2014, 02:56:41 PM
You assume Sidney is not O'Neill mark 135.
Being from Europe as I am, I'm just passionate about European golf, in the same way people from Mayo are passionate about Mayo football or people from Cork are passionate about Cork hurling.
I want to see Sam (Ryder) stay in Europe and that's why I'll fearlessly speak out if I believe that the wrong man is in charge.
Although I certainly won't resort to the type of vicious personal abuse that some Cork hurling supporters gave Gerald McCarthy.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 04, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
The funny thing about Olazabal's captaincy, "the man who bleeds European golf", is that the bits of the event he might have a slight semblance of influence upon - by pairing up the right teammates and tactics for foursomes and fourballs - were when Europe got left behind. Putting 12 men into a sweepstake for the singles isn't really an act of skill, no matter how hard anyone tries to convince themselves.
The more I think about it, I'd draw parallels to the skills involved in Ryder Cup captaincy and the skills involved in Deal or No Deal. There's more than a few idiots believe there's a strategy involved in that game too.
There's definitely a skill to deal or no deal. Darren Brown and a few others have done the somewhat complex maths to it but it basically boils down to applying game theory and the doctrine of transferred probability to it.
Obviously the skill isn't in picking the boxes it's in knowing when to take the offer and what offer that should be to maximise your chances of beating what's in your box (or more exactly what's in the box you should swap to). Must see if I can find the maths online.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2014, 02:56:41 PM
You assume Sidney is not O'Neill mark 135.
We've all had to get used to assuming that everybody could be ONeill. But that ends up not very different, for practical purposes, from assuming nobody is ONeill. Either way, you have to post as if you were addressing different entities.
For what it's worth, I work on the basis that not even ONeill is ONeill.
Very Pratchettian. :)
Quote from: David McKeown on September 04, 2014, 03:40:15 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 04, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
The funny thing about Olazabal's captaincy, "the man who bleeds European golf", is that the bits of the event he might have a slight semblance of influence upon - by pairing up the right teammates and tactics for foursomes and fourballs - were when Europe got left behind. Putting 12 men into a sweepstake for the singles isn't really an act of skill, no matter how hard anyone tries to convince themselves.
The more I think about it, I'd draw parallels to the skills involved in Ryder Cup captaincy and the skills involved in Deal or No Deal. There's more than a few idiots believe there's a strategy involved in that game too.
Deal Or No Deal is a pile of shite.
A Ryder Cup captain requires skills that are much more similar to Countdown. He must consider the 12 players he has, and arrange them into winning pairings. This can be quite the conundrum and requires a sharp eye for a combination of the highest order.
There's definitely a skill to deal or no deal. Darren Brown and a few others have done the somewhat complex maths to it but it basically boils down to applying game theory and the doctrine of transferred probability to it.
Obviously the skill isn't in picking the boxes it's in knowing when to take the offer and what offer that should be to maximise your chances of beating what's in your box (or more exactly what's in the box you should swap to). Must see if I can find the maths online.
Deal Or No Deal is a pile of shite.
A Ryder Cup captain requires skills that are much more similar to that wonderful, long-running staple of daytime television, Countdown. He must consider the 12 players he has, and arrange them into winning pairings. This can be quite the conundrum and requires a very sharp eye for a combination. And he must reach the target set in the numbers game - 14 and a half, or else the morale of the people of his continent will suffer a huge (Susie) Dent.
The Ryder Cup is a marketing invention full stop.
Take it for what it is, highly paid individuals having a weekend's craic, pretending to be interested in playing in a team (in the most individual of individual sports) competition.
Sky have ramped it up to make it sell. Yes it is a fun weekend and a good spectacle, but dont try and sell it on 'Go Team Europe'
It is actually laughable.
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
The Ryder Cup is a marketing invention full stop.
That claim would rather overlook the fact that the competition has been played since 1927, which means it has a longer history than the football World Cup.
Some "marketing invention".
Quote from: Sidney on September 05, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
The Ryder Cup is a marketing invention full stop.
That claim would rather overlook the fact that the competition has been played since 1927, which means it has a longer history than the football World Cup.
Some "marketing invention".
I am referring to its current form and its popularity, Sky have taken hold of it and are driving it into something that it has never been. Trying to create this whole European team ethos which simply does not exist.
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 05, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
The Ryder Cup is a marketing invention full stop.
That claim would rather overlook the fact that the competition has been played since 1927, which means it has a longer history than the football World Cup.
Some "marketing invention".
I am referring to its current form and its popularity, Sky have taken hold of it and are driving it into something that it has never been. Trying to create this whole European team ethos which simply does not exist.
Not really 'full stop' then.
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
The Ryder Cup is a marketing invention full stop.
Take it for what it is, highly paid individuals having a weekend's craic, pretending to be interested in playing in a team (in the most individual of individual sports) competition.
Sky have ramped it up to make it sell. Yes it is a fun weekend and a good spectacle, but dont try and sell it on 'Go Team Europe'
It is actually laughable.
Spot on there. Can't see anyone whatsoever going into work on a Monday downhearted because their continent lost.
Very enjoyable to watch though I presume if you had Sky.
Quote from: deiseach on September 05, 2014, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Sidney on September 05, 2014, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2014, 11:17:34 AM
The Ryder Cup is a marketing invention full stop.
That claim would rather overlook the fact that the competition has been played since 1927, which means it has a longer history than the football World Cup.
Some "marketing invention".
I am referring to its current form and its popularity, Sky have taken hold of it and are driving it into something that it has never been. Trying to create this whole European team ethos which simply does not exist.
Not really 'full stop' then.
how about a , that do? ;)
Quote from: NAG1 on September 05, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
I am referring to its current form and its popularity, Sky have taken hold of it and are driving it into something that it has never been. Trying to create this whole European team ethos which simply does not exist.
Apart from the fact that a European team ethos does exist and the competition has taken place in exactly the same form and format since 1979. Not many other sporting competitions can say that.
What exactly have Sky done to change the Ryder Cup? Because as far as I can see they've done precisely nothing to change it.
I still cannot believe that this Muppet left a man off the team who has won more than two thirds of the points he played for. Corporate decision uf ever there was one and I think it is going to bite us on the hole! :'(
Quote from: stew on September 10, 2014, 02:40:11 PM
I still cannot believe that this Muppet left a man off the team who has won more than two thirds of the points he played for. Corporate decision uf ever there was one and I think it is going to bite us on the hole! :'(
So who should he have left off?
The Ryder Cup is one of the best sporting spectacles there is, the 2012 finale was utterly compelling.
And there is very much a European 'ethos' on tour among the players.
Swing for Europe - Paddy Power;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhLMIDscTI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhLMIDscTI)
I have some small bets on Europe been beaten by 5 or more
What price did you get? - I think they could be beaten too. America seem to be coming in v much under the radar...
What time is tee off tomorrow?
Quote from: offtheground on September 25, 2014, 12:41:58 PM
What price did you get? - I think they could be beaten too. America seem to be coming in v much under the radar...
20/1 upwards
A Ryder Cup opening ceremony is always one of the great moments in sport, anywhere, and today will be no different.
Quote from: stew on September 10, 2014, 02:40:11 PM
I still cannot believe that this Muppet left a man off the team who has won more than two thirds of the points he played for. Corporate decision uf ever there was one and I think it is going to bite us on the hole! :'(
Form of 2, 4, 6 years ago is largely irrelevant though.
Des Smyth explained McGinley's thinking re Donald very clearly in a radio interview. The big crux is that he's made swing changes, and he's still going through the process of fully implementing it. Its made him far more inconsistent than he was previously. Because he's such a good battler and a good putter, he was still strongly in contention, may even have got the nod if it was in the US. But its in Scotland, and it could well blow hard in Scotland as it often does, and according to Smyth a player going through a swing change and playing in heavy wind is more often than not, a recipe for disaster, and therefore a risk they couldnt take.
Gallacher on the other hand is in very good form, had played very well under pressure in the weeks leading up to the picking of the team, and came within a whisker of playing himself onto the team automatically. Smyth mentioned that F. Molinari was very close too in the wildcard discussions.
Westwood is the one I would have the biggest problem with, because he's such a mediocre putter. Usually his long game is so good, you can forgive him the odd missed putt, but that's not in A1 shape at the moment either.
Bubba's Mrs is a big girl
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/11115282/Ryder-Cup-2014-Team-USA-Wags.html
Quote from: bcarrier on September 25, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
Bubba's Mrs is a big girl
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/11115282/Ryder-Cup-2014-Team-USA-Wags.html
Is that Ivan Dragos wife?
Proud moment for Sidney there hearing the European anthem.
Tomorrow morning matches
QuoteBubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia
Quote from: bcarrier on September 25, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
Bubba's Mrs is a big girl
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/11115282/Ryder-Cup-2014-Team-USA-Wags.html
No point clicking on that, Jason Dufner isn't in the team.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2014, 04:48:59 PM
Tomorrow morning matches
QuoteBubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia
Some tasty match ups there, especially the last one
Is putting Garcia and McIlroy together not a bit....mmmmm, I dunno....
2 of them seemed to get on pretty well any time i seen them paired,actually very well.
both are in great form as well
Quote from: laoislad on September 25, 2014, 04:42:46 PM
Proud moment for Sidney there hearing the European anthem.
Although I didn't see the opening ceremony, I know the playing of Ode To Joy would have filled me with patriotic continental pride.
Sadly I can't say the same for Paul McGinley's captaincy.
I fear for my beloved Europe.
Was going to back the yanks with all the talk of them being big outsiders. I see they're 13/8 and in my opinion that probably is a bit bigger than they should be as i think its pretty 50/50. At the same time 13/8 isn't much of a price to get excited about over a whole weekends play so backed Fowler for top points scorer,just put peanuts on mind you.
Bubba could be a key player,if he's at his best he'll be breathtaking,if he isn't he'll be acting like a spoilt child and whinging about everything and will do team morale no good whatsoever.
Had a great day at Gleneagles today. Could get really close to players, and watching the celebrity pro-am was fun. It's some set up!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2014, 07:30:17 PM
both are in great form as well
I just think it's overloading one partnership. If they lose it's a big boost for the yanks.
The closer this comes I don't like the vibe of McGinely as captain or Europe in general. A wee bit overconfident.
That's a great show on Sky 1 now
Think the yanks will turn Europe over
Just as an aside, my mother said I was named after Olly Olazabal. She said I was conceived the moment he putted the winner in the 1986 Ebel European Masters Swiss Open, beating Anders Forsbrand by 4 shots. He scored 66-66-66 in his last three rounds which she also attributes to a tenancy towards evil from the ages of 3-5. SHe said I purposely murdered 4 pets.
Bubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson - USA Win
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer - USA Win
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter - USA Win
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia - Europe Win
Quote from: Orior on September 25, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Bubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson - USA Win
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer - USA Win
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter - USA Win
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia - Europe Win
The USA typically win the foursomes but looking at the top and bottom groups I could see 2.5/1.5 (USA) or 2/2 by lunch. It will be interesting to see can Poulter find his Ryder Cup form on demand, again.
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: Orior on September 25, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Bubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson - USA Win
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer - USA Win
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter - USA Win
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia - Europe Win
The USA typically win the foursomes but looking at the top and bottom groups I could see 2.5/1.5 (USA) or 2/2 by lunch. It will be interesting to see can Poulter find his Ryder Cup form on demand, again.
Yeah. I'm not sure you can turn it on and off like a tap, though he did last time in fairness.
any links to the games?
Best buds Peter Robinson and Marty McG are inside the ropes following Rory's group. Tough life for them.
For the US to pull off a win here would be massive. Their best 2 players are at home and Europe have all the form players.
If Europe don't show up it will be tight but I would still expect us to win by 4 anyway.
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: Orior on September 25, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Bubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson - USA Win
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer - USA Win
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter - USA Win
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia - Europe Win
The USA typically win the foursomes but looking at the top and bottom groups I could see 2.5/1.5 (USA) or 2/2 by lunch. It will be interesting to see can Poulter find his Ryder Cup form on demand, again.
I thought the foursomes were on in the morning. ::)
Disregard any further comments on golf from me.
Quote from: pullhard on September 26, 2014, 08:43:35 AM
any links to the games?
http://hdfree.tv/sky-sports-4-live-stream.html
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 26, 2014, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: pullhard on September 26, 2014, 08:43:35 AM
any links to the games?
http://hdfree.tv/sky-sports-4-live-stream.html
Thanks for that, what a bunker shot from Sergio!
some dig, got to love the uniqueness of the Ryder Cup. Like the last week of a Tennis Grand Slam, never fails to deliver.
great atmosphere at the 1st tee box this morning
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: Orior on September 25, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Bubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson - USA Win
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer - USA Win
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter - USA Win
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia - Europe Win
The USA typically win the foursomes but looking at the top and bottom groups I could see 2.5/1.5 (USA) or 2/2 by lunch. It will be interesting to see can Poulter find his Ryder Cup form on demand, again.
I thought the foursomes were on in the morning. ::)
Disregard any further comments on golf from me.
Done, gladly ;)
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: Orior on September 25, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Bubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson - USA Win
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer - USA Win
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter - USA Win
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia - Europe Win
The USA typically win the foursomes but looking at the top and bottom groups I could see 2.5/1.5 (USA) or 2/2 by lunch. It will be interesting to see can Poulter find his Ryder Cup form on demand, again.
I thought the foursomes were on in the morning. ::)
Disregard any further comments on golf from me.
Comparison of the United States and Europe Between 1985-2012 (http://www.rydercup.com/europe/history/2014-ryder-cup-team-records)
Foursome points won: USA 53½ Europe 58½
Ryder Cup,Liverpool v Everton ,All Ireland Final...
If Carlsberg did weekends...
Quote from: laoislad on September 26, 2014, 10:20:08 AM
Ryder Cup,Liverpool v Everton ,All Ireland Final...
If Carlsberg did weekends...
If the derby doesn't go the right way I'll feel like I've had a crate of Carlsberg. As for the other two . . . meh.
Quote from: deiseach on September 26, 2014, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: Orior on September 25, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Bubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson - USA Win
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer - USA Win
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter - USA Win
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia - Europe Win
The USA typically win the foursomes but looking at the top and bottom groups I could see 2.5/1.5 (USA) or 2/2 by lunch. It will be interesting to see can Poulter find his Ryder Cup form on demand, again.
I thought the foursomes were on in the morning. ::)
Disregard any further comments on golf from me.
Comparison of the United States and Europe Between 1985-2012 (http://www.rydercup.com/europe/history/2014-ryder-cup-team-records)
Foursome points won: USA 53½ Europe 58½
Interesting link that:
Total foursome points
257 matches (1927 to 2012) USA 144.5 Europe 112.5
;)
Damn lies & Statistics.
I'd ask why you left out the 'Great Britain and Ireland' bit from your quote - it seems pertinent - but I've been told to disregard any further comments on golf from you.
Edit: I had a look at the record from 1979 to the present, and the score is USA 56 Europe 70.
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 09:24:23 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 26, 2014, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: pullhard on September 26, 2014, 08:43:35 AM
any links to the games?
http://hdfree.tv/sky-sports-4-live-stream.html
Thanks for that, what a bunker shot from Sergio!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/golf/29039876
Click on "Highlights" for Garcia's shot
Quote from: laoislad on September 26, 2014, 10:20:08 AM
Ryder Cup,Liverpool v Everton ,All Ireland Final...
If Carlsberg did weekends...
Chicago Bears v. Green Bay Packers.
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: Orior on September 25, 2014, 11:41:57 PM
Bubba/Simpson vs Rose/Stenson - USA Win
Fowler/Walker vs Bjorn/Kaymer - USA Win
Spieth/Reed vs Gallacher/Poulter - USA Win
Bradley/Mickelson vs McIlroy/Garcia - Europe Win
The USA typically win the foursomes but looking at the top and bottom groups I could see 2.5/1.5 (USA) or 2/2 by lunch. It will be interesting to see can Poulter find his Ryder Cup form on demand, again.
I thought the foursomes were on in the morning. ::)
Disregard any further comments on golf from me.
Home captain's choice.
Rose and Stenson win 5&4
Poulter and Gallacher playing like a couple of high handicappers. 6 down after 11.
Anyone here ever play a fourball? I'm wondering what the strategy would be. Would the first lad try and hammer it as far down the fairway/land it as close to the hole as possible, or would more subtlety be required?
Quote from: deiseach on September 26, 2014, 11:46:25 AM
Anyone here ever play a fourball? I'm wondering what the strategy would be. Would the first lad try and hammer it as far down the fairway/land it as close to the hole as possible, or would more subtlety be required?
I know feck all about this deiseach but I'll have a go! The strategy should be to keep both players "in the hole" i.e. in with a chance?? If one hits a decent shot anyway close to the flag then the other boy can have a rip at it but they should be giving themselves as much chance as possible. Bernard Gallacher saying that his nephew has been out of the hole (not in contention too many times).
An absolute farce that Luke Donald is sitting at home while Stephen Gallacher hacks his way around Gleneagles. Poor captaincy from McGinley already costing Europe.
Foursomes:
1.15pm: Jamie Donaldson and Lee Westwood v Jim Furyk and Matt Kuchar
1.30pm: Justin Rose and Henrik Stenson v Hunter Mahan and Zach Johnson
1.45pm: Rory McIlroy and Sergio Garcia v Jimmy Walker and Rickie Fowler
2pm: Victor Dubuisson and Graeme McDowell v Phil Mickelson and Keegan Bradley
Was that Jim McGuinness standing behind Garcia on that last shot
That looked fierce like Jimmy McGuinness behind Sergio after he just hit that shot out of the fairway rough there!
What we have learned this morning - Poulter is shite
Quote from: Orior on September 26, 2014, 12:48:49 PM
What we have learned this morning - Poulter is shite
Poulter might improve tomorrow.
But I suspect one or both of himself and Gallacher will be at the bottom of the order on Sunday.
Quote from: laoislad on September 26, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
Was that Jim McGuinness standing behind Garcia on that last shot
I believe the Donegal squad is over there.
Bjorn and Kaymer lose 2 of the last 3 holes to finish A/S.
Quote from: AQMP on September 26, 2014, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 26, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
Was that Jim McGuinness standing behind Garcia on that last shot
I believe the Donegal squad is over there.
They are all meeting up with Rory tomorrow to watch the Hurling.
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Orior on September 26, 2014, 12:48:49 PM
What we have learned this morning - Poulter is shite
Poulter might improve tomorrow.
But I suspect one or both of himself and Gallacher will be at the bottom of the order on Sunday.
Watched a bit of it there from the front 9... from what I can see only for Poulter playing half decent it would have been 10 & 8! Gallacher missed every fairway and green going!
Poulter couldn't have kept bailing him out all the time it's just not possible!
Big win for Mickelson & Bradley. Some poor stuff from McIlroy and Garcia over the last couple of holes.
The US want this more I think. Early days I know.
I don't agree that Donald should have been picked, he is playing badly, but McGinley's captaincy so far is worrying me.
Plus McGinleys accent is terrible.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BydbYLhIQAAsYe1.jpg:large)
There'll be 4 European players surrounding Mickelson on the final green this afternoon when Jimmy takes over as captain.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 26, 2014, 01:56:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BydbYLhIQAAsYe1.jpg:large)
That explains the wet blanket defence of the Ryder Cup so far.
Michael Murphy the spit of Patrick Reed ???
Brilliant spot on the pic.
This is ideal for the forum wags.
Do do McIlroy & Garcia use a Nike or Taylormade ball in the foursome??
Alternate balls I'm guessing
Quote from: offtheground on September 26, 2014, 03:03:27 PM
Do do McIlroy & Garcia use a Nike or Taylormade ball in the foursome??
Hope Sergio has a few spare ones...
V Dub & GMAC on fire against PMick and Kee Brad - 3 up after 5
McIlroy and Garcia are fair wild today.
How did they manage that half point??? ;D
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2014, 06:09:41 PM
How did they manage that half point??? ;D
Some putt from Rory on 17!
GMAC 1/2 a point ahead of Our Rory in the match with a game in hand
Saturday morning pairings:
Rose/Stenson v Watson/Kuchar
Donaldson/Westwood v Furyk/Mahan
Bjorn/Kaymer v Reed/Spieth
McIlroy/Poulter v Walker/Fowler
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2014, 07:44:52 PM
Saturday morning pairings:
Rose/Stenson v Watson/Kuchar
Donaldson/Westwood v Furyk/Mahan
Bjorn/Kaymer v Reed/Spieth
McIlroy/Poulter v Walker/Fowler
Dubuisson & McDowell can feel unlucky to be missing the action. I suspect they will definitely play in the afternoon again. Poulter need to get fighting so I suppose playing with McIlroy against Fowler might help.
Probably for the best to keep Gallacher on the sidelines for now!
Where there any cringeworthy chest bumps today ?
Nick Faldo showing his usual class.
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 26, 2014, 10:39:27 PM
Nick Faldo showing his usual class.
Is he still insisting on being called Sir Nick?
Poor commentary at a stupid time by Faldo. You could see it irritated the players in the press conference. Quite f**king stupid!
He's a twat and it is clear he is will perform for the highest bidder.
Quote from: Puckoon on September 27, 2014, 12:08:03 AM
Poor commentary at a stupid time by Faldo. You could see it irritated the players in the press conference. Quite f**king stupid!
Trying to clarify himself this morning but still said there was more to it...f**king w**ker
What did he say
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2014, 08:29:00 AM
What did he say
Not a big deal, blown out of proportion by the media.
http://espn.go.com/golf/rydercup14/story/_/id/11594855/nick-faldo-goes-back-2008-ryder-cup-criticize-sergio-garcia
Garcia does seem like a p***k
Good session so far for the Yanks. With Poulter playing like he's trying to break 80 it's going to be tough for McIlroy to get anything out of that match.
Quote from: AQMP on September 27, 2014, 12:23:32 PM
Good session so far for the Yanks. With Poulter playing like he's trying to break 80 it's going to be tough for McIlroy to get anything out of that match.
Commentators' curse!!
Some finish to Rory's match again.
All square on the 17th tee. Poulter playing crap suddenly starts to play. McIlroy back to his best.
Poults has to be the greatest Ryder Cupian of all-time. Himself and Rosey are almost singlehandedly keeping Europe in this. The English always feel at home in Scotland.
Another half for Rory.
Poulter sits out the afternoon, no real surprise there.
Dubuisson a bit of a revelation! Captain's pick Gallacher only plays one session, surely you pick a wild card to play them?? By the looks of it he'll be going out near the end in the singles.
What's the score in this now :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 27, 2014, 07:13:48 PM
What's the score in this now :)
Dunno, Sidney is the resident expert. Sid how is your pal McGinley getting on?
I'm a passionate fan of European golf. Nobody is more passionate about European golf than me. And this is why I'm supporting Team USA today. Europe need to be taught a lesson. It'll be for the best in the long run. For that cheesy grinned charlatan McGinley to bluff his way to a lucrative after-dinner speaking career, dining out on how he "masterminded" a Ryder Cup victory, would be an insult to all true fans of the European cause, and to past great captains like Seve, Olly, Langer and the Field Marshal, and set European golf back years.
The man is a bluffer and a charlatan.
McDowell having a stinker in the singles 3 down to Spieth after 5.
McIlroy 3 up on Fowler after 4.
I blame McGinley for both of these situations.
My God!! Gallacher is 1 up on Mickelson.
Quote from: AQMP on September 28, 2014, 12:49:49 PM
McDowell having a stinker in the singles 3 down to Spieth after 5.
McIlroy 3 up on Fowler after 4.
I blame McGinley for both of these situations.
Lol. And I blame the evil witch Thatcher
Quote from: AQMP on September 28, 2014, 12:53:14 PM
My God!! Gallacher is 1 up on Mickelson.
Should really be 2 up. Missed a very easy putt on the 1st
Is this competition not a bit racist towards Africans?
A lot of squares turning red. This is definitely on.
Quote from: Sidney on September 28, 2014, 01:28:18 PM
A lot of squares turning red. This is definitely on.
Would agree with this. To their credit the Yanks have come out fighting, I think this is going to be close.
Great comebacks by McDowell and Rose.
Thon boy Reed is a bit of a hateful hoor
Quote from: AQMP on September 28, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
Great comebacks by McDowell and Rose.
Thon boy Reed is a bit of a hateful hoor
Patrick Reed's antics is what the Ryder Cup is all about. Admirable goading of the crowd.
Quote from: Sidney on September 28, 2014, 02:44:40 PM
Quote from: AQMP on September 28, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
Great comebacks by McDowell and Rose.
Thon boy Reed is a bit of a hateful hoor
Patrick Reed's antics is what the Ryder Cup is all about. Admirable goading of the crowd.
I have to agree with Sidney here.
Some turn around by GMac.
I'm proud to be able to say I come from the same country as Graeme McDowell. Warrior stuff from the pride of Ireland.
That was a brilliant finish by Mcdoal.
There's plenty of passion out there.
And what a shot to win it from Donaldson
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 28, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
And what a shot to win it from Donaldson
Amazeballs.
Shame he didn't get a chance to putt it though.
Quote from: laoislad on September 28, 2014, 04:38:39 PM
Shame he didn't get a chance to putt it though.
Thought that myself
Great golf, McIlroy was immense. But to be honest I don't really get the Ryder Cup or the emotion it generates. That said I didn't miss one minute of it so good to watch the best 24 golfers in the world ply their trade.
Quote from: ONeill on September 28, 2014, 03:27:50 PM
There's plenty of passion out there.
Some media types seem to be under instruction to mention "passion" when it comes to the Ryder Cup
Did I just see that git Brian McFadden on the fairway following Furyks shot?
Quote from: stephenite on September 28, 2014, 04:48:20 PM
Did I just see that git Brian McFadden on the fairway following Furyks shot?
Yep, just seen that myself.
There's an awful amount of cynicism on here about the Ryder Cup. I think it's a great event and great TV. And just because the Europeans don't all hail from the same parish doesn't mean they aren't a genuine team. I know Sky ham it up but they do that with everything.
Also the players today were able to execute the skills of their game brilliantly under pressure, in stark contrast to Croke Park a week ago.
I am sure the European celebrations will be mighty.....
....
when they get home to Florida :-\
Quote from: stephenite on September 28, 2014, 04:48:20 PM
Did I just see that git Brian McFadden on the fairway following Furyks shot?
Slur Whiskey Nose there also.
The Ryder Cup - real people, real passion.
McGinley - the best captain ever. Fact. Source.
Quote from: ONeill on September 28, 2014, 05:10:58 PM
McGinley - the best captain ever. Fact. Source.
Darren Clarke wouldn't agree
congratulations to the Europeanteam on a great sporting result with positive vibes isint time others showed the same spirit
Brutal Press Conference
Quote from: Puckoon on September 28, 2014, 06:47:25 PM
Brutal Press Conference
Phil throwing Tom Watson under the bus
Tom Watson is looking at a property in Canada.
Quote from: laoislad on September 28, 2014, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 28, 2014, 07:11:27 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 28, 2014, 06:47:25 PM
Brutal Press Conference
Phil throwing Tom Watson under the bus
What was said. Anyone a link to it
Some of it here
http://fansided.com/2014/09/28/ryder-cup-frustration-boils-usa-press-conference/
Delighted for Paul McGinley as he seems a decent guy. He wouldn't have been spared any timber had Europe lost.
Everyone would have been an expert and it would have been so obvious that pitting a journey man against multiple major winner Tom Watson was a terrible decision.
I always thought big Phil was a gentleman??? Perhaps what he said was true but it's Tom Watson. A bit of respect.
Quote from: Saffrongael on September 28, 2014, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 28, 2014, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 28, 2014, 07:11:27 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 28, 2014, 06:47:25 PM
Brutal Press Conference
Phil throwing Tom Watson under the bus
What was said. Anyone a link to it
Some of it here
http://fansided.com/2014/09/28/ryder-cup-frustration-boils-usa-press-conference/
Phil is a tosser. There is a time and a place and this was neither.
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 28, 2014, 10:15:33 PM
I always thought big Phil was a gentleman??? Perhaps what he said was true but it's Tom Watson. A bit of respect.
I'm a big fan of both Phil and Watson and this was surprising. Maybe it's 8 defeats that was really stinging him but it was uncomfortable viewing. To suggest that the players needed to have input to be invested was strange to me. Surely you're heavily invested once you're on the team?
Players will always want to play. Can't have input. Captain has to pick based on what he thinks best and not sentiment. Gmac hinted he not happy at game time but not an issue because Europe won. Europe were always going to win with the bigger talent pool at this moment. Hope for USA future with performance of youngsters. Darren Clarke big favourite for captaincy for next one.
The Mickleson comments are, sadly and unfortunately, the only potential outcome when the role of a captain is overstated to the point that the players start believing it.
There is no logical reason for USA taking a hiding today, so it means the illogical is allowed to rear its head.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 28, 2014, 10:32:32 PM
The Mickleson comments are, sadly and unfortunately, the only potential outcome when the role of a captain is overstated to the point that the players start believing it.
There is no logical reason for USA taking a hiding today, so it means the illogical is allowed to rear its head.
I am surprised how poor Bubba was today, but I suppose if you are a southern country yokel then you dont travel well.
Mickleson was right about Tom Watson. The latter was the wrong choice for captain and with the right picks then things may have been closer.
I imagine the USA would have liked Billy Horschel to be there.
By the way, I admire what Patrick Reed did on the sixth green(?) after hearing the idiot taunt him on the first tee box.
Reed was the only Yank looking to take the game to Europe.
I see McIlroy couldn't help himself again, wrapping the loyalist rag around his neck. Time NI had a flag that isn't linked to one side of this divided community.
Time we stopped giving a fcuk about flags.
::)
Quote from: ONeill on September 28, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Time we stopped giving a fcuk about flags.
Easy to say, if he didn't give a f**k he'd have left it off. I've had friends killed in the name of that rag. I don't expect him to wear a tricolour either as the RA have tarnished it.
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 28, 2014, 11:55:48 PM
::)Quote from: ONeill on September 28, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Time we stopped giving a fcuk about flags.
Easy to say, if he didn't give a f**k he'd have left it off. I've had friends killed in the name of that rag. I don't expect him to wear a tricolour either as the RA have tarnished it.
f**k up and quit looking to be offended.
Nothing wrong with Mickelson voicing his opinion. Maybe it's not very nice, but this is top level sport, not the community games. In the NFL, rookie Nate Freese was cut recently by the Detroit Lions after 3 games for missing 4 of his first 7 field goals, and is now without a team. His coach said afterwards that he had no sympathy for him. This is the NFL and you have to make those kicks. If he'd won, Watson would have soaked up the adulation just like McGinley will. The captain's job might be 90% luck and horsesh!t but this is what Tom signed up for. I'm sure he'll get a few quid for his troubles.
Big over reaction to Phils comments - he was asked directly what the difference was in 2008 when the US won, and the three Ryder cups since - if thats what he thought, then thats what he should say. It wasn't the direct attack on Tom Watson that its said to have been, if it was an attack on anyone, rather than just prasie of Azinger, and suggestions going forward, then it was equally split (and thus well diluted) between the last three US captains.
Quote from: thebigfella on September 29, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 28, 2014, 11:55:48 PM
::)Quote from: ONeill on September 28, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Time we stopped giving a fcuk about flags.
Easy to say, if he didn't give a f**k he'd have left it off. I've had friends killed in the name of that rag. I don't expect him to wear a tricolour either as the RA have tarnished it.
f**k up and quit looking to be offended.
Oh so the thought police have joined the site? Flags and emblems in case you haven't noticed are at the heart of the problems in the North at the moment. That flag is flown from thousands of lamp posts and at Twadell and City Hall. not to mention being paraded through our towns and villages all in an effort to remind 40 odd % of the population of their place. McIlroy can not be so naive as to not know this. I am entitled to an opinion, you may disagree, I assume from your abusive comment that you do. This is a discussion forum and there does not have to be uniformity of thought otherwise what is the point?
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 28, 2014, 10:31:18 PM
Players will always want to play. Can't have input. Captain has to pick based on what he thinks best and not sentiment. Gmac hinted he not happy at game time but not an issue because Europe won. Europe were always going to win with the bigger talent pool at this moment. Hope for USA future with performance of youngsters. Darren Clarke big favourite for captaincy for next one.
Clarke maybe favourite but may not get it. Will they let 2 Irish men get it in a row with the possibility that Harrington may want it down the line also. Other notable candidates are Bjorn and Jimenez and not many others. The next one in Europe is in France so they may want a mainland European captain for that one which may help Clarkes case. However, the next one in Hazeltine will be pressurized - the US will NOT want to lose it and will do everything to win it back after this shambles. It may not be the right time to take the Euro captaincy but then again you don't have a choice in this thing...if the yanks decide to go for broke then they will put Azinger or Freddie Couples in as Captain and they will be popular choices and will generate the proper attitude from the US players. The next USA team will have Reed, Speith, Horshel, Dustin Johnson etc etc on the team - all young lads who will gel much better and put up a great fight.
Was there not a lot of talk when McGinley got appointed that he'd get a home one and Clarke would get the away one because McGinley didn't have the profile for a U.S. Ryder cup?
Europe were favourites for this Ryder Cup and it basically worked out like that.
Yes the Americans could have made a better fist of it but in all honesty Europe had the better players and so it transpired. The European team is quite young also so you can't see it being much different in 2 years time unless a few more Americans appear (DJ and Horschel will help as well I would think).
Previously there hasn't been much in it but European Golf is performing much better than the Yanks at the minute. In time this will swing back round again and the Yanks will start to dominate again.
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 29, 2014, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 29, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 28, 2014, 11:55:48 PM
::)Quote from: ONeill on September 28, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Time we stopped giving a fcuk about flags.
Easy to say, if he didn't give a f**k he'd have left it off. I've had friends killed in the name of that rag. I don't expect him to wear a tricolour either as the RA have tarnished it.
f**k up and quit looking to be offended.
Oh so the thought police have joined the site? Flags and emblems in case you haven't noticed are at the heart of the problems in the North at the moment. That flag is flown from thousands of lamp posts and at Twadell and City Hall. not to mention being paraded through our towns and villages all in an effort to remind 40 odd % of the population of their place. McIlroy can not be so naive as to not know this. I am entitled to an opinion, you may disagree, I assume from your abusive comment that you do. This is a discussion forum and there does not have to be uniformity of thought otherwise what is the point?
Exactly. You do not see occupied six flags at any golf club, so why bring them to the Ryder cup?
It's a free country... if he wants to wear that flag around his neck that's his choice.
Many Protestants who have suffered from the IRA view the tricolour with the same level of hatred yet we don't slag anyone who drapes it around their shoulders.
f**k flags I couldn't care less about them and it makes no odds to me who wears what flag around their shoulders should they choose to. He's a great ambassador for North and South and a hell of a Golfer. If he continues in this vein he will go on to be our most successful sportsperson ever and best of luck to him with that!
Quote from: screenexile on September 29, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
It's a free country... if he wants to wear that flag around his neck that's his choice.
Many Protestants who have suffered from the IRA view the tricolour with the same level of hatred yet we don't slag anyone who drapes it around their shoulders.
f**k flags I couldn't care less about them and it makes no odds to me who wears what flag around their shoulders should they choose to. He's a great ambassador for North and South and a hell of a Golfer. If he continues in this vein he will go on to be our most successful sportsperson ever and best of luck to him with that!
Well said
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 29, 2014, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on September 29, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 28, 2014, 11:55:48 PM
::)Quote from: ONeill on September 28, 2014, 11:52:42 PM
Time we stopped giving a fcuk about flags.
Easy to say, if he didn't give a f**k he'd have left it off. I've had friends killed in the name of that rag. I don't expect him to wear a tricolour either as the RA have tarnished it.
f**k up and quit looking to be offended.
Oh so the thought police have joined the site? Flags and emblems in case you haven't noticed are at the heart of the problems in the North at the moment. That flag is flown from thousands of lamp posts and at Twadell and City Hall. not to mention being paraded through our towns and villages all in an effort to remind 40 odd % of the population of their place. McIlroy can not be so naive as to not know this. I am entitled to an opinion, you may disagree, I assume from your abusive comment that you do. This is a discussion forum and there does not have to be uniformity of thought otherwise what is the point?
Your not expressing an opinion though. You were getting offended because of a flag he had draped around him and trying to justify it by linking it to some murders. Your a twat, end of story.
Is it not possible to have one freakin' conversation about McIlroy without it turning into this crap
Quote from: NAG1 on September 29, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
Is it not possible to have one freakin' conversation about McIlroy without it turning into this crap
+1
Yeah sorry this is a Ryder Cup thread can we get back to that.
Big call by Mickelson to go over Watson's head like that. I know Watson didn't perform well but he is seen as the Gentleman of golf and it probably won't win Phil many more fans with the way he did that.
It will be interesting to see who they go for next because they really need to win one or at least put up a half decent fight next time around!
Quote from: screenexile on September 29, 2014, 11:06:49 AM
Yeah sorry this is a Ryder Cup thread can we get back to that.
Big call by Mickelson to go over Watson's head like that. I know Watson didn't perform well but he is seen as the Gentleman of golf and it probably won't win Phil many more fans with the way he did that.
It will be interesting to see who they go for next because they really need to win one or at least put up a half decent fight next time around!
Was his quotes as much directed at the past captains as much as Watson. He was referring to Azinger which was 3 or 4 Ryder cups ago and how his captaincy and system worked then but has been abandoned since. Did he say if it was used in the last couple of Ryder cups? I know he said it has worked for the presidents cup.
Maybe he fancys a go himself.
Quote from: Sidney on September 02, 2014, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Neither of whom can play. I think Captain at the Ryder Cup must be the most overhyped position of all time.
There's no bigger responsibility than captaining your continent in a golf game.
McGinley is not up to the job - he's happy to just be in the job, and he's left out a supreme match player in Luke Donald for a local lad, in an effort to curry favour with the Scots. That's weak captaincy. Sandy Lyle or Monty should be leading us.
Watson's presence on the other hand will galvanise the Yanks. He's the only US captain to win in Europe in the last three decades. He'll do it again and he'll lead like FDR.
This has to go down as one of the biggest facepalm predictions on the board in a while...
;D ;D ;D
McGinley:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/11127177/Europes-Ryder-Cup-team-heap-praise-on-wonderful-captain-Paul-McGinley-after-victory-over-USA.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/29404250
http://www.independent.ie/sport/ryder-heroes-hail-mcginley-approach-30623578.html
Watson:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/29404897
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-2772827/Tom-Watson-fault-USA-s-Ryder-Cup-defeat-got-tactics-wrong-says-Phil-Mickleson.html
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 02, 2014, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Neither of whom can play. I think Captain at the Ryder Cup must be the most overhyped position of all time.
There's no bigger responsibility than captaining your continent in a golf game.
McGinley is not up to the job - he's happy to just be in the job, and he's left out a supreme match player in Luke Donald for a local lad, in an effort to curry favour with the Scots. That's weak captaincy. Sandy Lyle or Monty should be leading us.
Watson's presence on the other hand will galvanise the Yanks. He's the only US captain to win in Europe in the last three decades. He'll do it again and he'll lead like FDR.
This has to go down as one of the biggest facepalm predictions on the board in a while...
;D ;D ;D
McGinley:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/11127177/Europes-Ryder-Cup-team-heap-praise-on-wonderful-captain-Paul-McGinley-after-victory-over-USA.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/29404250
http://www.independent.ie/sport/ryder-heroes-hail-mcginley-approach-30623578.html
Watson:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/29404897
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-2772827/Tom-Watson-fault-USA-s-Ryder-Cup-defeat-got-tactics-wrong-says-Phil-Mickleson.html
I'd suggest/hope that sidney was extracting the urine, this is a glorified All Star Weekend which Sky in their usual understated way are trying to make into something it's not.
Had to laugh at Mrs Doubtfire harrumphing about the 'hangers on' on the course, that's the whole point, weekend jolly for golfers, friends and family.
Paid for by the Ole Ole crowd.
Quote from: passedit on September 29, 2014, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 02, 2014, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Neither of whom can play. I think Captain at the Ryder Cup must be the most overhyped position of all time.
There's no bigger responsibility than captaining your continent in a golf game.
McGinley is not up to the job - he's happy to just be in the job, and he's left out a supreme match player in Luke Donald for a local lad, in an effort to curry favour with the Scots. That's weak captaincy. Sandy Lyle or Monty should be leading us.
Watson's presence on the other hand will galvanise the Yanks. He's the only US captain to win in Europe in the last three decades. He'll do it again and he'll lead like FDR.
This has to go down as one of the biggest facepalm predictions on the board in a while...
;D ;D ;D
McGinley:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/11127177/Europes-Ryder-Cup-team-heap-praise-on-wonderful-captain-Paul-McGinley-after-victory-over-USA.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/29404250
http://www.independent.ie/sport/ryder-heroes-hail-mcginley-approach-30623578.html
Watson:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/29404897
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-2772827/Tom-Watson-fault-USA-s-Ryder-Cup-defeat-got-tactics-wrong-says-Phil-Mickleson.html
I'd suggest/hope that sidney was extracting the urine, this is a glorified All Star Weekend which Sky in their usual understated way are trying to make into something it's not.
Had to laugh at Mrs Doubtfire harrumphing about the 'hangers on' on the course, that's the whole point, weekend jolly for golfers, friends and family.
Paid for by the Ole Ole crowd.
but it is something to a hell of a lot of folk. I wouldnt know one end of a golf stick from the other, but it was the big talk from most folk I spoke to over the weekend
Quote from: passedit on September 29, 2014, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 29, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: Sidney on September 02, 2014, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
Neither of whom can play. I think Captain at the Ryder Cup must be the most overhyped position of all time.
There's no bigger responsibility than captaining your continent in a golf game.
McGinley is not up to the job - he's happy to just be in the job, and he's left out a supreme match player in Luke Donald for a local lad, in an effort to curry favour with the Scots. That's weak captaincy. Sandy Lyle or Monty should be leading us.
Watson's presence on the other hand will galvanise the Yanks. He's the only US captain to win in Europe in the last three decades. He'll do it again and he'll lead like FDR.
This has to go down as one of the biggest facepalm predictions on the board in a while...
;D ;D ;D
McGinley:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/11127177/Europes-Ryder-Cup-team-heap-praise-on-wonderful-captain-Paul-McGinley-after-victory-over-USA.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/29404250
http://www.independent.ie/sport/ryder-heroes-hail-mcginley-approach-30623578.html
Watson:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/29404897
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-2772827/Tom-Watson-fault-USA-s-Ryder-Cup-defeat-got-tactics-wrong-says-Phil-Mickleson.html
I'd suggest/hope that sidney was extracting the urine, this is a glorified All Star Weekend which Sky in their usual understated way are trying to make into something it's not.
Had to laugh at Mrs Doubtfire harrumphing about the 'hangers on' on the course, that's the whole point, weekend jolly for golfers, friends and family.
Paid for by the Ole Ole crowd.
agree with that, and rory throwing around the LAD fleg makes it even more cringe being from these shores. Ball of shite altogether.
Colin Montgomerie:
(http://img2-3.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/family/mrs-doubtfire.jpg)
Mrs Doubtfire:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/10/21/article-1322540-0BB52AED000005DC-890_306x273.jpg)
;D Watch out Wullie's about...
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29413245 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29413245)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 29, 2014, 06:53:07 PM
;D Watch out Wullie's about...
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29413245 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29413245)
Yer all a shower of gobshites up there.....
Great article from the Indo about the genius of Paul McGinley.
VICTORIOUS Ryder Cup captain Paul McGinley has revealed how he left nothing to chance - going as far as colour-appropriate fish.
"Everything in the room was planned," McGinley said yesterday, "from the carpet to the wallpapers to the images on the wall, to a big fish tank with [European] blue and gold fish. It was the colours I was interested in rather than the breed. It was just a little, small touch.
"We had two rooms, a dining area and a lounge area. There was a big picture in the corner of John Jacobs, the first European captain, a big picture of the first Britain and Ireland team in 1927 and big pictures of Seve Ballesteros and Jose Maria Olazabal.
"We had a lot of different images around the team room. It was my idea for the fish tank and it worked great."
The Dublin man admitted the level of detail in the room had caused quite a stir. And while the fish had joined in on the celebrations they have recovered admirably.
"The fish are still there, swimming away, very happy, but they might have a few hangovers. A bit of wine may have been spilled into them.
"There have been a number of requests for images from the room and maybe we'll do a little portfolio and exhibit it," he said.
Manchester United legend Alex Ferguson also played a part in the European team room throughout the week and his years of success and famous attention to detail certainly seemed to rub off on McGinley and his men.
Another area that McGinley wasn't leaving to chance was the groupings, with the Dubliner admitting he gerrymandered the groupings of regular tour events to ensure Graeme McDowell and Victor Dubuisson were able to form the bond that proved so vital at Gleneagles. "They didn't know what I was planning but I had planned for them to be partners. I had identified Graeme in a senior role."
Irish Independent
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/mcginley-left-nothing-to-chance-not-even-the-fish-30625551.html#sthash.sPMdyt2B.dpuf
I wasn't aware that McGinley and Darren Clarke had a strained relationship?? What did they fall out about...flegs??
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 30, 2014, 05:00:35 AM
Great article from the Indo about the genius of Paul McGinley.
VICTORIOUS Ryder Cup captain Paul McGinley has revealed how he left nothing to chance - going as far as colour-appropriate fish.
"Everything in the room was planned," McGinley said yesterday, "from the carpet to the wallpapers to the images on the wall, to a big fish tank with [European] blue and gold fish. It was the colours I was interested in rather than the breed. It was just a little, small touch.
"We had two rooms, a dining area and a lounge area. There was a big picture in the corner of John Jacobs, the first European captain, a big picture of the first Britain and Ireland team in 1927 and big pictures of Seve Ballesteros and Jose Maria Olazabal.
"We had a lot of different images around the team room. It was my idea for the fish tank and it worked great."
The Dublin man admitted the level of detail in the room had caused quite a stir. And while the fish had joined in on the celebrations they have recovered admirably.
"The fish are still there, swimming away, very happy, but they might have a few hangovers. A bit of wine may have been spilled into them.
"There have been a number of requests for images from the room and maybe we'll do a little portfolio and exhibit it," he said.
Is McGinley actually leading a double life as Dublin's Feng Shui expert Dr. Diarmuid Couch?
He reminded me of someone like Jimmy McGuinness when he was speaking, and I bet his background in the GAA helped him in that sort of preparation. The way he was talking and all the minutiae sounded exactly like the sort of approach that has come into the GAA in the last 15 years or so.
He reminded me much more of Alan Partridge than Jim McGuinness.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 09:25:30 AM
He reminded me of someone like Jimmy McGuinness when he was speaking, and I bet his background in the GAA helped him in that sort of preparation. The way he was talking and all the minutiae sounded exactly like the sort of approach that has come into the GAA in the last 15 years or so.
No harm AZ but I suspect that the GAA are hardly leading the way when it comes to sports psychology or for attention to detail.
Quote from: AQMP on September 30, 2014, 08:54:30 AM
I wasn't aware that McGinley and Darren Clarke had a strained relationship?? What did they fall out about...flegs??
Reportedly they were formerly best mates on tour and even roomed together in their early days on tour. They ended up living on same private golf estate with their families in Sunningdale outside London and children and partners were all best mates and this continued up until recently. I think even PMcG and wife were invited to Heather Clarkes funeral which was a strictly private affair so that goes to show how close the 2 lads and their respective families were.
However, I think I am fairly sure that DC originally declared public support for the PMcG captaincy bid but back tracked when Watson was appointed USA captain and then stated that Europe needed a big profile major winner or personality to take on Watson ie: himself or Monty. This obviously did not go down well with PMcG but I think DC realised that this playing days were no more and that this may be his only chance to get the job and pushed his name forward but after a few months he withdrew from the process allowing McGinley to get the role. Now it appears that the European tour are possibly reluctant to give it to 2 Irishmen in a row and this could all back fire on DC in the next few months.
Recently Thomas Bjorn has said he wants to continue playing, Padraig has said likewise and didn't realise the job the captaincy entailed so it looks like a straight shootout between DC and Jimenez and it could be close. Jimenez grasp of the English language is reportedly not the best and will possibly go against him in the USA whilst DC is a massively popular figure in the USA but the fly in the ointment is that the 3 previous captains will have a major say in who gets it therefore PMcG could sway it if he wishes but I think and believe he is much too professional to let personal emotion get involved in such a big decision like that. PMcG appears a very likeable bloke and he has a legacy now so cant see how he would let personal issues affect this decision but I maybe wrong.
I hope that this is an accurate explanation to the above query by AQMP but if not then can someone else explain please their version of the events as I may not be totally correct.
Sidney appears to be our Mr Ryder Cup so hopefully he can add his opinion on this affair
Quote from: AQMP on September 30, 2014, 08:54:30 AM
I wasn't aware that McGinley and Darren Clarke had a strained relationship?? What did they fall out about...flegs??
It was because Darren was backing Monty for Ryder cup Captain instead of Paul ..
It is covered in interview with Kimmage here :
http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/paul-kimmage-interview-ryder-cup-captain-paul-mcginley-forged-in-gaa-furnace-30584751.html
Ah yeah, I don't mean the GAA are cutting edge in that, but it has developed a lot in the past 20 years. Remember Armagh's 'symbols' and all the other things you hear about these days. I just thought when he spoke he sounded like countless GAA managers over recent years, and not like a Golf 'captain'. I don't remember any previous Ryder Cup captains talking about stuff like that. I know he's big into the GAA and I just thought it sounded familiar.
Quote from: mick999 on September 30, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: AQMP on September 30, 2014, 08:54:30 AM
I wasn't aware that McGinley and Darren Clarke had a strained relationship?? What did they fall out about...flegs??
It was because Darren was backing Monty for Ryder cup Captain instead of Paul ..
It is covered in interview with Kimmage here :
http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/paul-kimmage-interview-ryder-cup-captain-paul-mcginley-forged-in-gaa-furnace-30584751.html
Yes, that's it. Apparently Clarke was initially behind McGinley's bid, and then changed horses to Monty. I saw a mention of that on Sky Sports News a while ago.
AHA!!!!!!
"Paul McGinley: Well, I don't know, I can't speak for other captains. I don't know what work they've put in, that's just a view. To be honest, it's not something I'm doing because I'm besotted about it, it's something I'm doing that I really enjoy. You know me, I love sport; I'm going to the hurling final on Sunday; I love listening to what people have to say about Kilkenny and Tipp; I love listening to what they've been saying about Dublin (and Donegal). I spoke to Jim Gavin during the week.
PK: Did you really?
PMcG: I wanted to hear where he was at, four days after the event: 'How do you feel, Jim? Was there something you didn't get right?' I was on the phone to him for maybe half an hour trying to pick up something that might help me. I didn't call (Jim) McGuinness.
PK: You didn't?
PMcG: No, he's winning. He's doing it right. You learn more from your losses. I met Jim (Gavin) during the summer and we had a great conversation. I thought, 'This guy is really on it.' You talk about me being prepared but I can assure you that Jim Gavin and his team were as prepared as any team ever for last Sunday. What were they going in? 1/7 favourites?
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/paul-kimmage-interview-ryder-cup-captain-paul-mcginley-forged-in-gaa-furnace-30584751.html#sthash.O2qQaQFu.dpuf"
Bingo, you do me a disservice sir :)
Quote from: screenexile on September 29, 2014, 10:39:50 AM
It's a free country... if he wants to wear that flag around his neck that's his choice.
Many Protestants who have suffered from the IRA view the tricolour with the same level of hatred yet we don't slag anyone who drapes it around their shoulders.
f**k flags I couldn't care less about them and it makes no odds to me who wears what flag around their shoulders should they choose to. He's a great ambassador for North and South and a hell of a Golfer. If he continues in this vein he will go on to be our most successful sportsperson ever and best of luck to him with that!
My point exactly, there shouldn't be a tricolour either.
Quote from: Sidney on September 30, 2014, 09:31:50 AM
He reminded me much more of Alan Partridge than Jim McGuinness.
The grapes must be sour!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Unreal how every time McIlroy wins something (or is involved in a winning team), that everyone here hop on about the flag he holds. Is he not allowed to be both Cathoic and from Northern Ireland?
As for the praise on McGinley, I think it is definitely over the top. Winning the Ryder Cup with the pick he had was hardly the greatest achievement of all time.
Captain in golf seems to be the most bizarrely celebrated and blamed role in sport. I see him as a facilitator, let the players play, and make sure things are in place for them around the actual golf itself. The locker room, the meeting rooms etc. After that, it's like Under 12 C. Make sure everyone gets a game at some stage, and try not to take off your best players. I'd say a lot of people would make a good stab at it.
The response of the Ryder Cup players to McGinley's performance would indicate that they believe his role was pretty crucial. And let's face it... they'd probably know...
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
The response of the Ryder Cup players to McGinley's performance would indicate that they believe his role was pretty crucial. And let's face it... they'd probably know...
As AZ said, after winning they are going to be all loved up and say only great things about him and every other one on the team. But would have been some craic if they had lost. Just as in the case of Watson, there would have been no bad talk from any players at news conferences if his team had won.
McGinley was only ever involved in this for self-gratification and the fact that he wants no more to do with the European team, now that he's secured a lucrative after-dinner speaking career (despite being an appalling public speaker) off the back of it, proves this. Compare that to the way former winning captains Jose-Maria Olazabal and Tom Watson served their respective causes again without hesitation when asked, risking their winning legacies in the process, and you see the calibre of man who truly sacrifices himself for the good of the team. It was never about that with McGinley. It was only about him. Darren Clarke backed the Field Marshal for the captaincy for one reason - he knew it was in the best interests of the team. Now it looks as if McGinley will try to extract his pound of flesh from the former Open champion and scupper his captaincy bid. Clarke is a man who put aside his acute personal grief after the death of his wife to selflessly serve the European cause in 2006. And now McGinley wants to stab him in the back. Only he doesn't have the honesty or the balls to admit it.
McGinley's on the panel to select his successor, so he's already doing 'more' with the team. I know you're winding, but you need to do a better job on your material.
Quote from: Sidney on September 30, 2014, 01:04:54 PM
McGinley was only ever involved in this for self-gratification and the fact that he wants no more to do with the European team, now that he's secured a lucrative after-dinner speaking career (despite being an appalling public speaker) off the back of it, proves this. Compare that to the way former winning captains Jose-Maria Olazabal and Tom Watson served their respective causes again without hesitation when asked, risking their winning legacies in the process, and you see the calibre of man who truly sacrifices himself for the good of the team. It was never about that with McGinley. It was only about him. Darren Clarke backed the Field Marshal for the captaincy for one reason - he knew it was in the best interests of the team. Now it looks as if McGinley will try to extract his pound of flesh from the former Open champion and scupper his captaincy bid. Clarke is a man who put aside his acute personal grief after the death of his wife to selflessly serve the European cause in 2006. And now McGinley wants to stab him in the back. Only he doesn't have the honesty or the balls to admit it.
You are some header lad, just admit you were wrong
Quote from: Sidney on September 30, 2014, 01:04:54 PM
McGinley was only ever involved in this for self-gratification and the fact that he wants no more to do with the European team, now that he's secured a lucrative after-dinner speaking career (despite being an appalling public speaker) off the back of it, proves this. Compare that to the way former winning captains Jose-Maria Olazabal and Tom Watson served their respective causes again without hesitation when asked, risking their winning legacies in the process, and you see the calibre of man who truly sacrifices himself for the good of the team. It was never about that with McGinley. It was only about him. Darren Clarke backed the Field Marshal for the captaincy for one reason - he knew it was in the best interests of the team. Now it looks as if McGinley will try to extract his pound of flesh from the former Open champion and scupper his captaincy bid. Clarke is a man who put aside his acute personal grief after the death of his wife to selflessly serve the European cause in 2006. And now McGinley wants to stab him in the back. Only he doesn't have the honesty or the balls to admit it.
This is correct but I would expect better from McGinley than to start scuppering DC bid - surely he is more professional than that. Also I do believe that Rory will attempt to be peacemaker in this dispute and bring the 2 lads back to the original relationship of 'best mates on tour'. Obviously a lot has gone wrong when you consider the previous friendship between the 2 men - PMcG at the private funeral of DC wife Heather, kids at same school etc so a lot of damage has been done but hopefully can be repaired but it appears the wounds are still deep....
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 12:06:00 PM
Captain in golf seems to be the most bizarrely celebrated and blamed role in sport. I see him as a facilitator, let the players play, and make sure things are in place for them around the actual golf itself. The locker room, the meeting rooms etc. After that, it's like Under 12 C. Make sure everyone gets a game at some stage, and try not to take off your best players. I'd say a lot of people would make a good stab at it.
Yeah but when you see the complete mess Faldo made of it you can appreciate that McGinley did put a lot of work in and as Europe got the win it's hard to argue he did a good job.
Quote from: Sidney on September 30, 2014, 01:04:54 PM
McGinley was only ever involved in this for self-gratification and the fact that he wants no more to do with the European team, now that he's secured a lucrative after-dinner speaking career (despite being an appalling public speaker) off the back of it, proves this. Compare that to the way former winning captains Jose-Maria Olazabal and Tom Watson served their respective causes again without hesitation when asked, risking their winning legacies in the process, and you see the calibre of man who truly sacrifices himself for the good of the team. It was never about that with McGinley. It was only about him. Darren Clarke backed the Field Marshal for the captaincy for one reason - he knew it was in the best interests of the team. Now it looks as if McGinley will try to extract his pound of flesh from the former Open champion and scupper his captaincy bid. Clarke is a man who put aside his acute personal grief after the death of his wife to selflessly serve the European cause in 2006. And now McGinley wants to stab him in the back. Only he doesn't have the honesty or the balls to admit it.
If you're going to wind at least try a bit of humour... this is just boring...
Quote from: screenexile on September 30, 2014, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 12:06:00 PM
Captain in golf seems to be the most bizarrely celebrated and blamed role in sport. I see him as a facilitator, let the players play, and make sure things are in place for them around the actual golf itself. The locker room, the meeting rooms etc. After that, it's like Under 12 C. Make sure everyone gets a game at some stage, and try not to take off your best players. I'd say a lot of people would make a good stab at it.
Yeah but when you see the complete mess Faldo made of it you can appreciate that McGinley did put a lot of work in and as Europe got the win it's hard to argue he did a good job.
Faldo couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!!
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 30, 2014, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
The response of the Ryder Cup players to McGinley's performance would indicate that they believe his role was pretty crucial. And let's face it... they'd probably know...
As AZ said, after winning they are going to be all loved up and say only great things about him and every other one on the team. But would have been some craic if they had lost. Just as in the case of Watson, there would have been no bad talk from any players at news conferences if his team had won.
Not necessarily - I don't think I've ever seen as many players actively coming out and praising the captain for his role (without being asked I might add). They'd easily get away with saying nothing.
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2014, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 30, 2014, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
The response of the Ryder Cup players to McGinley's performance would indicate that they believe his role was pretty crucial. And let's face it... they'd probably know...
As AZ said, after winning they are going to be all loved up and say only great things about him and every other one on the team. But would have been some craic if they had lost. Just as in the case of Watson, there would have been no bad talk from any players at news conferences if his team had won.
Not necessarily - I don't think I've ever seen as many players actively coming out and praising the captain for his role (without being asked I might add). They'd easily get away with saying nothing.
I think he was popular, and he helped with the atmosphere around the place. I think he did bring an attention to detail to the off the course stuff which they appreciated. But to be honest a popular office administrator would do something similar. I see the captain's role in the Ryder Cup as a facilitator.
*However* there's little doubt that if you are a bit of a dick, and piss the players off, they are liable to under perform, a lá Faldo and apparently Watson this time. I just don't think it's a monumental tactical achievement to not piss off your players, have a nice atmosphere around the place, and just pick them to play. It would be a bit different if the Captains had to take turns in naming their order first, and allow the other lad to react. Then at least there'd be a bit of tactics involved.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2014, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 30, 2014, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
The response of the Ryder Cup players to McGinley's performance would indicate that they believe his role was pretty crucial. And let's face it... they'd probably know...
As AZ said, after winning they are going to be all loved up and say only great things about him and every other one on the team. But would have been some craic if they had lost. Just as in the case of Watson, there would have been no bad talk from any players at news conferences if his team had won.
Not necessarily - I don't think I've ever seen as many players actively coming out and praising the captain for his role (without being asked I might add). They'd easily get away with saying nothing.
I think he was popular, and he helped with the atmosphere around the place. I think he did bring an attention to detail to the off the course stuff which they appreciated. But to be honest a popular office administrator would do something similar. I see the captain's role in the Ryder Cup as a facilitator.
*However* there's little doubt that if you are a bit of a dick, and piss the players off, they are liable to under perform, a lá Faldo and apparently Watson this time. I just don't think it's a monumental tactical achievement to not piss off your players, have a nice atmosphere around the place, and just pick them to play. It would be a bit different if the Captains had to take turns in naming their order first, and allow the other lad to react. Then at least there'd be a bit of tactics involved.
I think the work done behind the scenes on his matchups needs to be spoken of as well. He was working hard on Debuisson and GMac well before the competition and obviously the other lads had an idea of who they would be playing with and were told to start working with eachother from months out.
It looks like Watson rocked up and just put a load of lads together. Ironically what would have been viewed as a big mistake at the time turned out to be his only plus in playing the 2 rookies together. They should have played all 5 matches though to be fair
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2014, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 30, 2014, 12:58:50 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 30, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
The response of the Ryder Cup players to McGinley's performance would indicate that they believe his role was pretty crucial. And let's face it... they'd probably know...
As AZ said, after winning they are going to be all loved up and say only great things about him and every other one on the team. But would have been some craic if they had lost. Just as in the case of Watson, there would have been no bad talk from any players at news conferences if his team had won.
Not necessarily - I don't think I've ever seen as many players actively coming out and praising the captain for his role (without being asked I might add). They'd easily get away with saying nothing.
I think he was popular, and he helped with the atmosphere around the place. I think he did bring an attention to detail to the off the course stuff which they appreciated. But to be honest a popular office administrator would do something similar. I see the captain's role in the Ryder Cup as a facilitator.
*However* there's little doubt that if you are a bit of a dick, and piss the players off, they are liable to under perform, a lá Faldo and apparently Watson this time. I just don't think it's a monumental tactical achievement to not piss off your players, have a nice atmosphere around the place, and just pick them to play. It would be a bit different if the Captains had to take turns in naming their order first, and allow the other lad to react. Then at least there'd be a bit of tactics involved.
I presume there'd be a bit of tactics on the match ups, but I'm sure a bit of that is luck of the draw especially on the last days pairings.
Can we just all agree that it is just a big jolly every couple of years for the players, they get a week off from their respective tours to get together with their mates, play a few rounds and have a few beers at the end of it.
It is all very nicey nicey, no one really falls out and they are all good chaps. The spectators rock up have a few jars and embarrass themselves with some ridiculous chanting for a few days and sure its all good craic.
Quote from: NAG1 on September 30, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
Can we just all agree that it is just a big jolly every couple of years for the players, they get a week off from their respective tours to get together with their mates, play a few rounds and have a few beers at the end of it.
It is all very nicey nicey, no one really falls out and they are all good chaps. The spectators rock up have a few jars and embarrass themselves with some ridiculous chanting for a few days and sure its all good craic.
I don't think it's a jolly. The Europeans genuinely seem to get 'into' it, while the Americans look to be seriously pissed off to be losing.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on September 30, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
Can we just all agree that it is just a big jolly every couple of years for the players, they get a week off from their respective tours to get together with their mates, play a few rounds and have a few beers at the end of it.
It is all very nicey nicey, no one really falls out and they are all good chaps. The spectators rock up have a few jars and embarrass themselves with some ridiculous chanting for a few days and sure its all good craic.
I don't think it's a jolly. The Europeans genuinely seem to get 'into' it, while the Americans look to be seriously pissed off to be losing.
Indeed. These lads are professional athletes and pride more than anything would mean they're not going to f**k about on a stage as big as the Ryder Cup. Also seeing Olazabal's reaction the last time they won it would prove that it's far from a jolly for a lot of the lads!
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on September 30, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
Can we just all agree that it is just a big jolly every couple of years for the players, they get a week off from their respective tours to get together with their mates, play a few rounds and have a few beers at the end of it.
It is all very nicey nicey, no one really falls out and they are all good chaps. The spectators rock up have a few jars and embarrass themselves with some ridiculous chanting for a few days and sure its all good craic.
I don't think it's a jolly. The Europeans genuinely seem to get 'into' it, while the Americans look to be seriously pissed off to be losing.
I am just a bit fed up listening to sickly sweet descriptions of it over the past few weeks, not helped by the hyped up sky coverage.
Yes the players get into it when they are playing, but it is hard for me to decipher how much of that is genuine.
People ranking it up there with one of the great sporting events to me doesnt ring true. Might be being slightly harsh but it all seems a bit forced and slightly false for me.
Quote from: screenexile on September 30, 2014, 02:47:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on September 30, 2014, 02:32:21 PM
Can we just all agree that it is just a big jolly every couple of years for the players, they get a week off from their respective tours to get together with their mates, play a few rounds and have a few beers at the end of it.
It is all very nicey nicey, no one really falls out and they are all good chaps. The spectators rock up have a few jars and embarrass themselves with some ridiculous chanting for a few days and sure its all good craic.
I don't think it's a jolly. The Europeans genuinely seem to get 'into' it, while the Americans look to be seriously pissed off to be losing.
Indeed. These lads are professional athletes and pride more than anything would mean they're not going to f**k about on a stage as big as the Ryder Cup. Also seeing Olazabal's reaction the last time they won it would prove that it's far from a jolly for a lot of the lads!
But that reaction is a side issue, he reacted that way because he lost a close friend who also liked this competition?
It wasnt really anything to do with the competition itself, if you see what I mean.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 30, 2014, 12:06:00 PM
Captain in golf seems to be the most bizarrely celebrated and blamed role in sport. I see him as a facilitator, let the players play, and make sure things are in place for them around the actual golf itself. The locker room, the meeting rooms etc. After that, it's like Under 12 C. Make sure everyone gets a game at some stage, and try not to take off your best players. I'd say a lot of people would make a good stab at it.
;D That's a great analogy.