Tuam Babies

Started by Tubberman, March 03, 2017, 09:35:41 PM

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Tubberman

What cruel, short, forgotten lives those poor babies had.
And an even worse resting place - a disused septic tank  :'(

It must have had a massive affect on the mothers as well.
Dark times.
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Boycey

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I searched earlier to see was there a previous thread on this and was surprised there wasn't. I then let it sit cause it'll probably end up in the usual agenda driven bollocks these threads usually do but this story sickens me to my core. Our fairly recent past is a horrible horrible place...

laoislad

Horrendous. Fair play to Catherine Corless also for exposing all of this.
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seafoid

Some people paid a very high price for the purity of society in the pre 1980s .
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Main Street

Quote from: Tubberman on March 03, 2017, 09:35:41 PM
What cruel, short, forgotten lives those poor babies had.
And an even worse resting place - a disused septic tank  :'(

It must have had a massive affect on the mothers as well.
Dark times.
What was the death rate in that Dickensian baby trade institute?
was it 1 in 5?  or 1 in 10?
Innocent babies, many probably died due to ignorant neglect, shoved into a pit, leaving thousands of grieving  damaged young mothers  to move on with their life and all this done under the veil of christian charity.

seafoid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_and_Child_Scheme

In 1948 Dr.Noël Browne, a new T.D. for Clann na Poblachta, and a socialist, became Minister for Health in a coalition government. Browne was an admirer of Fianna Fáil's 1947 Health Act[4] and intended to implement its provisions as part of a plan to reduce the alarmingly high rate of child mortality (especially from tuberculosis) in Ireland,[5][6][7] modernise the Irish healthcare system and make it free and without means-testing for mothers and their children up to the age of 16.[4] He was impressed with the National Health Service in the United Kingdom[8] and successful medical procedural reforms in Denmark which reduced child mortality.[9] With vigour he tackled the domestic health issues and was acclaimed for the results.[10]
Then in July 1950, Browne's department formally submitted the scheme to the Irish Medical Association.[11] The Association had originally opposed the 1947 bill, mentioning the "socialisation of medicine."[4][10] They were supported in the coalition cabinet by the experienced Fine Gael T.D. Dr.Thomas F. O'Higgins, the Minister for Defence and a former member of the executive of the Irish Medical Association. More important was the opposition of the Archbishop of Dublin, John Charles McQuaid, who summoned Browne to his palace[8] and read out a letter to be sent to the Taoiseach, John A. Costello, penned by Dr.James Staunton, Bishop of Ferns, which contained, "...they [the Archbishops and bishops] feel bound by their office to consider whether the proposals are in accordance with Catholic moral teaching," and, "Doctors trained in institutions in which we have no confidence may be appointed as medical officers ... and may give gynaecological care not in accordance with Catholic principles.[12][13] The letter stated that health provision and physical education for children were solely the "right" of parents and not the State's concern. Archbishop McQuaid was the chairman of some boards of directors of Dublin hospitals. He exercised considerable influence concerning medical appointments and control over the religious orders whose members made up much of the administrative and management staff in hospitals, sanatoria etc.[14][15] Concerning the term "moral teaching" in the letter to the Taoiseach, Browne received supportive advice - in secret - from Francis Cremin, a Maynooth professor of theology and canon law.[8] Some bishops, McQuaid and others feared the scheme could pave the way for abortion and birth control. Though some Catholic Church leaders may have been privately sympathetic to Browne and wished to reach an accommodation, what was viewed as Browne's tactless handling of the Catholic Church forced the moderates into silence, allowing the anti-Mother and Child Scheme members of the hierarchy under McQuaid to set the agenda.[16]
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GaillimhIarthair

There have been some absolutely awful historic scandals uncovered in this country over the past 10 years or so but this will be the worst when the full details come to light - its absolutely sickening. 

manfromdelmonte

and the Catholic Church still have control over the primary school system via their patronage


armaghniac

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 03, 2017, 11:45:16 PM
and the Catholic Church still have control over the primary school system via their patronage

Which is nothing to do with anything. When these tragedies are uncovered there is always someone with some agenda which minimises them to a debating point.
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Cunny Funt

Shameful what was only going in this country. Up there as bad as what Hitler did to the Jews, he was a madman with deluded followers whats the Irish excuse?

The Subbie

Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2017, 12:21:10 AM
Shameful what was only going in this country. Up there as bad as what Hitler did to the Jews, he was a madman with deluded followers whats the Irish excuse?

Think of the neighbours......

seafoid

Quote from: The Subbie on March 04, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2017, 12:21:10 AM
Shameful what was only going in this country. Up there as bad as what Hitler did to the Jews, he was a madman with deluded followers whats the Irish excuse?

Think of the neighbours......
You can imagine what it was like in the 20s. Women had no economic independence and there was no state support for mothers. The church was the power. Child mortality was very high and sex was sinful. There are probably similar sites all over the island.
The contempt of respectable Ireland for vulnerable people was fathomless.  But at least it wasn't heathen like England. ...
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Farrandeelin

I honestly don't know what to say. Absolutely horrible and disgusting. As Gaillimh Iarthar said, this could be the worst yet. Maddens and sickens me. Just wondering if there are any more like it in the country?
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Avondhu star

The religious order states that when they closed they gave all records to Galway County Council. These records will have to be fully examined to see what form of recording deaths of infants was maintained, what medical treatment was provided and who if anyone signed death certificates. Of course it is likely also that there are many people who do not want it known that they were born in a Mother and Baby home or were resident there. The investigation will have to be very aware of this and respect peoples privacy.
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J70

Quote from: seafoid on March 03, 2017, 10:51:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_and_Child_Scheme

In 1948 Dr.Noël Browne, a new T.D. for Clann na Poblachta, and a socialist, became Minister for Health in a coalition government. Browne was an admirer of Fianna Fáil's 1947 Health Act[4] and intended to implement its provisions as part of a plan to reduce the alarmingly high rate of child mortality (especially from tuberculosis) in Ireland,[5][6][7] modernise the Irish healthcare system and make it free and without means-testing for mothers and their children up to the age of 16.[4] He was impressed with the National Health Service in the United Kingdom[8] and successful medical procedural reforms in Denmark which reduced child mortality.[9] With vigour he tackled the domestic health issues and was acclaimed for the results.[10]
Then in July 1950, Browne's department formally submitted the scheme to the Irish Medical Association.[11] The Association had originally opposed the 1947 bill, mentioning the "socialisation of medicine."[4][10] They were supported in the coalition cabinet by the experienced Fine Gael T.D. Dr.Thomas F. O'Higgins, the Minister for Defence and a former member of the executive of the Irish Medical Association. More important was the opposition of the Archbishop of Dublin, John Charles McQuaid, who summoned Browne to his palace[8] and read out a letter to be sent to the Taoiseach, John A. Costello, penned by Dr.James Staunton, Bishop of Ferns, which contained, "...they [the Archbishops and bishops] feel bound by their office to consider whether the proposals are in accordance with Catholic moral teaching," and, "Doctors trained in institutions in which we have no confidence may be appointed as medical officers ... and may give gynaecological care not in accordance with Catholic principles.[12][13] The letter stated that health provision and physical education for children were solely the "right" of parents and not the State's concern. Archbishop McQuaid was the chairman of some boards of directors of Dublin hospitals. He exercised considerable influence concerning medical appointments and control over the religious orders whose members made up much of the administrative and management staff in hospitals, sanatoria etc.[14][15] Concerning the term "moral teaching" in the letter to the Taoiseach, Browne received supportive advice - in secret - from Francis Cremin, a Maynooth professor of theology and canon law.[8] Some bishops, McQuaid and others feared the scheme could pave the way for abortion and birth control. Though some Catholic Church leaders may have been privately sympathetic to Browne and wished to reach an accommodation, what was viewed as Browne's tactless handling of the Catholic Church forced the moderates into silence, allowing the anti-Mother and Child Scheme members of the hierarchy under McQuaid to set the agenda.[16]

What the hell is "gynaecological care not in accordance with Catholic principles"?? :o

Ireland was a sick, disgusting place back then.