Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm

[Cunny Funt]

1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.

I wouldn't be rating them up that high. Relegated to Div 3 and only championship wins this summer was v Laois and Limerick.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Anyone hear about water bottles?

Let's get this straight: a player takes a drink from a container as provided by the opposition that an opposition player has not yet  actually sampled? Aye, right.

[Armagh18]

1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.

I wouldn't be rating them up that high. Relegated to Div 3 and only championship wins this summer was v Laois and Limerick.

Gave Dublin their closest game of the year. I'd have Donegal ahead of either though.

[Whishtup]

Was thinking of how they put it up to Kerry, Dublin for a half and Tyrone, plus good underage teams coming through. They'll be looking to better themselves next year. Maybe a little generous.  Roscommon/Kildare last year were woeful in Super Eights. Cork were better than that.

[Whishtup]

Donegal Marginally better but wouldn't back them to qualify.

[Wildweasel74]

Different ways bottle's apparently. That rumour come out Dublin. So ridiculous, so bit like a trump rumour, though they tend to be true.

[BennyCake]

Anyone hear about water bottles?

What's this now?

[Silkyskillssunshinee]

Apparently Stephen O'Brien confirmed it as true on his Instagram. That is an absolute disgrace if true and should be looked into.

[J70]

1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it's all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

5th at best based on Donegal not reaching the last four since 2014.

Tyrone believed they were the 2nd best by reaching the final  last year in reality they needed to win yesterday to back up that claim.

Don't see what last five years has to do with it. This is a young and coming Donegal team. Based on this season, there is little between the likes of ourselves, Tyrone and Kerry beyond the luck of the Super 8 draw. I would have little fear of playing either ( not saying we'd win - just go in 50/50). Mayo just have our number physically. Hopefully another year or two will change that.

[dublin7]

How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.

Dublin cruised through the 2nd half. When Tyrone scored the penalty after the red card Dublin upped the tempo of their game and outscored them for the rest if the game. After the pen Dublin moved Howard back and he caught the last high ball put in.
Donegal realised defensive tactics won't win the big games anymore. Mickey Harte and Tyrone need to evolve as well

Did they, aye? And how's that working out for them?

Well they won an Ulster title and drew with Kerry in Croke Park. Injuries were a big issue for them as the season wore on and a lack of squad depth. Overall they're in a better place than Tyrone going into next season anyway

[BennyHarp]

Apparently Stephen O'Brien confirmed it as true on his Instagram. That is an absolute disgrace if true and should be looked into.

Did he? Aye. Must a been strong stuff as them Kerry lads were shite in the second half.

[Captain Obvious]

1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it's all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

5th at best based on Donegal not reaching the last four since 2014.

Tyrone believed they were the 2nd best by reaching the final  last year in reality they needed to win yesterday to back up that claim.

Don't see what last five years has to do with it. This is a young and coming Donegal team. Based on this season, there is little between the likes of ourselves, Tyrone and Kerry beyond the luck of the Super 8 draw. I would have little fear of playing either ( not saying we'd win - just go in 50/50). Mayo just have our number physically. Hopefully another year or two will change that.

Because any ranking system would be based on a few years and not just one summer.

Forget the earlier rounds of shadow boxing, round 3 was a knock out quarter final tie for Donegal the last two years and each game they lost by a bit to spare.

Maybe in a year or two Donegal might reach the All Ireland semi final again and I think in order for them to achieve that they will need a lot more out of the younger players and probably better game strategies will be required from Declan Bonner.

[Angelo]

Apparently Stephen O'Brien confirmed it as true on his Instagram. That is an absolute disgrace if true and should be looked into.

Bit of deflection away from Maurice Deegan, if there's one thing that should be investigated from Sunday it's not water bottles, it's the man in the middle yet again getting the job done for Kerry.

[tonto1888]

That water bottle story has got to be nonsense

[Angelo]

If Tyrone were lacing water bottles I don't know why they didn't target the man doing all the damage for Kerry, Maurice Deegan. Sounds like a yerra story to deflect away from the referee.