Today's games at 13:30
Louth vs Longford
Wexford vs Wicklow
Offaly vs Carlow
Expecting Longford, Wicklow and Offaly to come through.
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
As you wish to sneer at LSFC let's remind you of 2019 Super 8s - Dublin 2-26 Roscommon 0-14.
I'm sure they were dancing in the streets celebrating that in the other 11 Counties ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 12:59:14 PM
I'm sure they were dancing in the streets celebrating that in the other 11 Counties ::)
His point was, if Roscommon were in Leinster they'd be playing for your shield too. Think that's fair.
Hon Longford
This is the most interesting part of the Leinster procession.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
They get a round of applause if they keep the losing margin under 20 points. And the media get to say that the gap is closing! ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 01, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
They get a round of applause if they keep the losing margin under 20 points. And the media get to say that the gap is closing! ;D
We'll have to bow to your knowledge, a Mayo man would have more experience of being a runner up than most.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 01, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
They get a round of applause if they keep the losing margin under 20 points. And the media get to say that the gap is closing! ;D
We'll have to bow to your knowledge, a Mayo man would have more experience of being a runner up than most.
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Wins for Longford, Carlow and Wicklow today.
Quarter-Finals
Sat. 07-Nov
Dublin v Westmeath Hopefully Westmeath will do themselves justice despite the overwhelming odds against them
Sun. 08-Nov
Longford v Laois Winners here are on Dublin side of draw - Longford have decent home record
Wicklow v Meath Wicklow on a good run after promotion to Div 3 and away win over Wexford - Meath will be wary visiting Aughrim
Offaly v Kildare Kildare will be fancied but Offaly capable of putting it up to them
The first half in the game v Louth yesterday was even
The second half was even worse.
This was a grim affair with only one or two bright spots.
Onwards and upwards now. Facing Laois will be tough. Winners play Westmeath so a Leinster final is not beyond us.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on November 02, 2020, 09:23:29 AM
The first half in the game v Louth yesterday was even
The second half was even worse.
This was a grim affair with only one or two bright spots.
Onwards and upwards now. Facing Laois will be tough. Winners play Westmeath so a Leinster final is not beyond us.
Beyond Longford is the Shannon
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 01, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
They get a round of applause if they keep the losing margin under 20 points. And the media get to say that the gap is closing! ;D
We'll have to bow to your knowledge, a Mayo man would have more experience of being a runner up than most.
Speaking of bowing, your county board usually bow to letting Dublin having home games in the championship and if ye do play Dublin outside Croker it's in a neutral venue.
Do you think that the procession in Leinster is now embarrassing? Do you not think the hopelessness is embarrassing? Do you not think the hammerings are embarrassing?
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Quote from: laoislad on November 01, 2020, 04:06:41 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
They get a round of applause if they keep the losing margin under 20 points. And the media get to say that the gap is closing! ;D
We'll have to bow to your knowledge, a Mayo man would have more experience of being a runner up than most.
Speaking of bowing, your county board usually bow to letting Dublin having home games in the championship and if ye do play Dublin outside Croker it's in a neutral venue.
Do you think that the procession in Leinster is now embarrassing? Do you not think the hopelessness is embarrassing? Do you not think the hammerings are embarrassing?
Embarrassing for who? It a complete mismatch.
It's not embarrassing on an individual level for a county like Laois, Offaly, Westmeath, Longford, etc. If Dublin were not in their province these counties would be energised by having a realistic target of winning a provincial title. Any one of them could put together a 5 year plan to win it. Of course they may still not succeed, but the hope would be there. There is no hope now. I'm from one of those counties. I'm a clubmate of some of those players. A few years ago it was lads chucking in county football at 23 because "what's the point, gonna lose to Dublin anyway". Now it's lads not even going in to the panel at 20, for the same reason.
Westmeath made back to back Leinster finals in 2015 and 2016, for the first time ever. Beat Meath and Kildare in the respective semi finals. Both finals were over by half time. It wasn't embarrassing.
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
They get a round of applause if they keep the losing margin under 20 points. And the media get to say that the gap is closing! ;D
We'll have to bow to your knowledge, a Mayo man would have more experience of being a runner up than most.
Speaking of bowing, your county board usually bow to letting Dublin having home games in the championship and if ye do play Dublin outside Croker it's in a neutral venue.
Do you think that the procession in Leinster is now embarrassing? Do you not think the hopelessness is embarrassing? Do you not think the hammerings are embarrassing?
Embarrassing for who? It a complete mismatch.
It's not embarrassing on an individual level for a county like Laois, Offaly, Westmeath, Longford, etc. If Dublin were not in their province these counties would be energised by having a realistic target of winning a provincial title. Any one of them could put together a 5 year plan to win it. Of course they may still not succeed, but the hope would be there. There is no hope now. I'm from one of those counties. I'm a clubmate of some of those players. A few years ago it was lads chucking in county football at 23 because "what's the point, gonna lose to Dublin anyway". Now it's lads not even going in to the panel at 20, for the same reason.
Westmeath made back to back Leinster finals in 2015 and 2016, for the first time ever. Beat Meath and Kildare in the respective semi finals. Both finals were over by half time. It wasn't embarrassing.
I get a sense of this feeling all over the country, although it must be especially strong in Leinster for obvious reasons. Match attendances in recent years are strongly indicative of the same.
On this board we regularly try to work through the big problems with football. People chat about new rules. People go over the pros and cons of the Super 8s and two tier system. Even right now the case for a straight knock out championship is pushed by those that see it as the answer to the malaise affecting the championship.
But none of this really matters without a glimpse of hope. The idea that maybe if everything just falls into place in the next few years your county could make that breakthrough. This is what gets people engaged even when they know they're up against it in any given year. It's what takes people to underage games, to preseason competitions, to challenges matches. You're always looking for that spark that suggests that better times are around the corner.
But the jig is up when you get to the point that you can't ever envisage a day that your county competes with the best. And we're at the point for 25+ counties looking at the Dubs. No amount of messing with the rules or competition structures will change the fact that, if they maintain their standards of the last decade, Dublin will suck all hope of success from the majority of the country. And with no hope people give up trying and give up caring.
We're in precarious times with intercounty football. A very exclusive elite is moving further and further away from the rest of the country. And, remarkably, every intervention from officialdom, whether it's with funding or competition restructuring, seems to just expedite this shift.
No Leinster games today?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 07, 2020, 07:48:34 PM
No Leinster games today?
Just a routine Dublin win by 0-22 to 0-11. Westmeath in fairness to them never dropped the heads and held Dublin goalless.
Mickey Mouse competition
Quote from: An Watcher on November 07, 2020, 10:31:09 PM
Mickey Mouse competition
The all Ireland football championship?
Quarter finals
Meath 7-14
Wicklow 0-07
Laois 1-16
Longford 1-14
Dublin 0-22
Westmeath 0-11
Offaly throw in at 5:30
Kildare
Semis
Meath vs Offaly/Kildare
Dublin vs Laois
Quote from: thejuice on November 08, 2020, 04:39:53 PM
Quarter finals
Meath 7-14
Wicklow 0-07
Laois 1-16
Longford 1-14
Dublin 0-22
Westmeath 0-11
Offaly throw in at 5:30
Kildare
Semis
Meath vs Offaly/Kildare
Dublin vs Laois
Jaysus. Split Meath in two.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 08, 2020, 04:44:28 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 08, 2020, 04:39:53 PM
Quarter finals
Meath 7-14
Wicklow 0-07
Laois 1-16
Longford 1-14
Dublin 0-22
Westmeath 0-11
Offaly throw in at 5:30
Kildare
Semis
Meath vs Offaly/Kildare
Dublin vs Laois
Jaysus. Split Meath in two.
Jordan Morris scored 3-04 on his championship debut. Costello also got a goal on his debut.
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Quarter finals
Meath 7-14
Wicklow 0-07
Laois 1-16
Longford 1-14
Dublin 0-22
Westmeath 0-11
Offaly throw in at 5:30
Kildare
Semis
Meath vs Offaly/Kildare
Dublin vs Laois
Jaysus. Split Meath in two.
Jordan Morris scored 3-04 on his championship debut. Costello also got a goal on his debut.
Both should retire as it's bound to be all downhill from here. ;)
So much for Fortress Aughrim
Meath vs Kildare next week.
I fancy our chances, Wicklow were poor but the new lads are stepping up to it quite quickly and looking comfortable. Tougher test of course but we have a decent cutting edge up front and an improved bench. All that said our shooting for points wasn't the best today.
Quote from: thejuice on November 08, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
Meath vs Kildare next week.
I fancy our chances, Wicklow were poor but the new lads are stepping up to it quite quickly and looking comfortable. Tougher test of course but we have a decent cutting edge up front and an improved bench. All that said our shooting for points wasn't the best today.
Meath were not good in he first half, gifted a goal and a few points. Wicklow delivered the worst performance of a championship team I have since Kildare capitulated 5 years ago to Kerry. Meath's tackling and work rate was impressive but Wicklow ::)
Kildare were poor against Offaly but fair play to Neil Flynn, scored three points coming on as a sub. He buried his father yesterday.
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Meath vs Kildare next week.
I fancy our chances, Wicklow were poor but the new lads are stepping up to it quite quickly and looking comfortable. Tougher test of course but we have a decent cutting edge up front and an improved bench. All that said our shooting for points wasn't the best today.
Meath were not good in he first half, gifted a goal and a few points. Wicklow delivered the worst performance of a championship team I have since Kildare capitulated 5 years ago to Kerry. Meath's tackling and work rate was impressive but Wicklow ::)
Kildare were poor against Offaly but fair play to Neil Flynn, scored three points coming on as a sub. He buried his father yesterday.
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 01, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Do the runners up in this get a Shield or anything?
They get a round of applause if they keep the losing margin under 20 points. And the media get to say that the gap is closing! ;D
We'll have to bow to your knowledge, a Mayo man would have more experience of being a runner up than most.
Speaking of bowing, your county board usually bow to letting Dublin having home games in the championship and if ye do play Dublin outside Croker it's in a neutral venue.
Do you think that the procession in Leinster is now embarrassing? Do you not think the hopelessness is embarrassing? Do you not think the hammerings are embarrassing?
Embarrassing for who? It a complete mismatch.
It's not embarrassing on an individual level for a county like Laois, Offaly, Westmeath, Longford, etc. If Dublin were not in their province these counties would be energised by having a realistic target of winning a provincial title. Any one of them could put together a 5 year plan to win it. Of course they may still not succeed, but the hope would be there. There is no hope now. I'm from one of those counties. I'm a clubmate of some of those players. A few years ago it was lads chucking in county football at 23 because "what's the point, gonna lose to Dublin anyway". Now it's lads not even going in to the panel at 20, for the same reason.
Westmeath made back to back Leinster finals in 2015 and 2016, for the first time ever. Beat Meath and Kildare in the respective semi finals. Both finals were over by half time. It wasn't embarrassing.
Yes, I remember back to a less embarrassing time when Longford used to turn Dublin over.
It's not Dublin's fault that Meath and Kildare are shite at the same time.
Have not been not here for a while. I enjoyed the Longford v Laois game or what I have seen of it. But how Longford lost I am still trying to work out. I think if Mickey Quinn was there he would have steadied the ship. Twice Longford were in one on one with the keeper and the keeper saved I suppose to have to give him credit. With Cork and Down gone up Division 3 might not be so tough next year.
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Meath vs Kildare next week.
I fancy our chances, Wicklow were poor but the new lads are stepping up to it quite quickly and looking comfortable. Tougher test of course but we have a decent cutting edge up front and an improved bench. All that said our shooting for points wasn't the best today.
Meath were not good in he first half, gifted a goal and a few points. Wicklow delivered the worst performance of a championship team I have since Kildare capitulated 5 years ago to Kerry. Meath's tackling and work rate was impressive but Wicklow ::)
Kildare were poor against Offaly but fair play to Neil Flynn, scored three points coming on as a sub. He buried his father yesterday.
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Fair play I'm sure his dad is smiling down on him. Huge respect for the lad
Quote from: mad tan on November 09, 2020, 08:09:45 PM
Have not been not here for a while. I enjoyed the Longford v Laois game or what I have seen of it. But how Longford lost I am still trying to work out. I think if Mickey Quinn was there he would have steadied the ship. Twice Longford were in one on one with the keeper and the keeper saved I suppose to have to give him credit. With Cork and Down gone up Division 3 might not be so tough next year.
Ara we all feel the same but dems the breaks! Laois had midfield that won ball (I think Gallagher was carrying an injury) but they way our goalkeeper kicked out the ball didn't help. Quinn of course could have made the difference........
That said, more than one sympathised with Laois coming off the pitch..............how can Laois manage the Blue wave?
Keeping it to single digit points defeat will be an achievement.
But good luck to them.
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Quote from: mad tan on November 09, 2020, 08:09:45 PM
Have not been not here for a while. I enjoyed the Longford v Laois game or what I have seen of it. But how Longford lost I am still trying to work out. I think if Mickey Quinn was there he would have steadied the ship. Twice Longford were in one on one with the keeper and the keeper saved I suppose to have to give him credit. With Cork and Down gone up Division 3 might not be so tough next year.
Ara we all feel the same but dems the breaks! Laois had midfield that won ball (I think Gallagher was carrying an injury) but they way our goalkeeper kicked out the ball didn't help. Quinn of course could have made the difference........
That said, more than one sympathised with Laois coming off the pitch..............how can Laois manage the Blue wave?
Keeping it to single digit points defeat will be an achievement.
But good luck to them.
Doubtful we will keep it to single digits to be honest.
If only Roscommon were in Leinster,they could show us all how to beat the Dubs ::)
On another note Ross Munnelly back in Croke Park in his 18th year of Championship football. Some going.
Kildare (SFC v Meath) -
Mark Donnellan;
Mark Dempsey, Shea Ryan, Darragh Malone;
David Hyland, Con Kavanagh, Kevin Flynn;
Kevin Feely, Aaron Masterson;
Matty Byrne, Ben McCormack, Paddy Brophy;
Daniel Flynn, Darragh Kirwan, Jimmy Hyland.
A lot of the pundits are backing us to win this one but I'm not so sure. It's all well and good piling on the scores against a Wicklow team that had given up but Croke Park and Kildare is going to be a big step up. That said the lads have division 1 experience to draw from and they've fresh memories of beating Kildare last year, but I just hope we don't put all our cards on some of the young new lads to carry the day for us. They're talented for sure but it might not happen for them on the day.
Still with all that being said there's certainly a drive and a hunger back in Meath football and we owe some of that to Andy McEntee.
Dubs by 12, Meath draw
No draws.
Who's going to win the penalty shoot?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 14, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
No draws.
Who's going to win the penalty shoot?
From a betting perspective there's a draw
Not looking great.
Kildare have notched 14 scores to Meath's 10 and are behind by four points
Meath have just got the fourth goal
Keystone Cops stuff
Split Meath!
Keystone Cops is right, Kildare finding new ways to lose every year.
Goals win games. Embarrassing capitulation.
That was some 2nd half collapse by Kildare. Cruising at half time 6 up and end up losing by 9. It was like a role reversal of 2000 against Dublin. Meath got 2 quick goals and they never recovered.
We scored 5-9 in the 2010 semi final funnily enough. I'll take a win over Dublin with a dodgy goal if history repeats itself.
Dublin not firing on all cylinders so far here, leading 3-2 after 17 minutes
Looked like Laois were denied a legitimate point there a couple of minutes ago, seemed to go in off the post
Dubs very flat. But Laois not taking their chances. Don't think Bugler's shot would have hit the net if the defender had missed it.
Good finish by Kilkenny
Doubt any of our lads will be capable of anything like that against Wales this evening
Dubs upped a gear in second half. Or to be fair, from 30 min mark when Kilkenny took charge of the game.
Quote from: Hound on November 15, 2020, 04:40:47 PM
Dubs upped a gear in second half. Or to be fair, from 30 min mark when Kilkenny took charge of the game.
Kilkenny is going well.
Another routine Leinster championship win for Dublin 2-23 to 0-7.
Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
It's great having a strong Dublin in the GAA.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 15, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
Can't understand why it wasn't played in Newbridge.
Camera work and picture was awful today.
Brian Fenton and Ciaran Kilkenny outstanding again. They put on an exhibition in the 2nd half. Laois goalie made some great saves but gave the ball away several times running out with the ball
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Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
Can't understand why it wasn't played in Newbridge.
Camera work and picture was awful today.
It's only fair that the Champions get extra playing time in the Championship on their home ground? Besides teams love playing Dublin in Croker and it means more if you beat them there.
Well if there's ever a year we can turn them over it'll be this one given how crazy it's been. Crazier things have happened but we'll have to be firing on all cylinders from the throw in if we're to have a sniff of a victory. Last year we struggled to find goals and now we're banging them in but struggling to get the points.
I think the lack of a crowd takes the pressure off a bit especially for the young lads. Could be a factor next week.
12 goals in 2 successive Championship matches must be a record in football.
They'll need a fair few the next day!
In fairness this is a championship like no other. At the moment I think that any one of Donegal, Mayo, Cork, Meath or Dublin could take the Sam Maguire.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 15, 2020, 06:54:46 PM
In fairness this is a championship like no other. At the moment I think that any one of Donegal, Mayo, Cork, Meath or Dublin could take the Sam Maguire.
or Tipperary, or Cavan. Or maybe Mayo squad get covid which could see Galway back in. It's such a toss up. The suspense and excitement is overwhelming.
Dublin were well below their best today and could easily have been caught by Laois!
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 15, 2020, 06:54:46 PM
In fairness this is a championship like no other. At the moment I think that any one of Donegal, Mayo, Cork, Meath or Dublin could take the Sam Maguire.
or Tipperary, or Cavan. Or maybe Mayo squad get covid which could see Galway back in. It's such a toss up. The suspense and excitement is overwhelming.
Dublin were well below their best today and could easily have been caught by Laois!
You've a strange (unhealthy?) obsession with Dublin. Wouldn't you think that you'd be contributing to the Connacht thread at the moment after Mayo's impressive win today.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 15, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
It's great having a strong Dublin in the GAA.
One of the things about pro US sport is that the regulators ensure competitions are competitive. It's a pity football isn't.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 15, 2020, 06:54:46 PM
In fairness this is a championship like no other. At the moment I think that any one of Donegal, Mayo, Cork, Meath or Dublin could take the Sam Maguire.
I wouldn't bother feeding that troll.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 15, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
It's great having a strong Dublin in the GAA.
One of the things about pro US sport is that the regulators ensure competitions are competitive. It's a pity football isn't.
Is that your excuse for Galway's performance today?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 15, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
It's great having a strong Dublin in the GAA.
One of the things about pro US sport is that the regulators ensure competitions are competitive. It's a pity football isn't.
Is that your excuse for Galway's performance today?
Galway lost by a point today, in what is usually a competitive fixture. When either team lose their is an annoyance at a referee decision. a mistake by one or more of our players or a controversial decision.
The Dublin issue is above all that. All the cards are stacked in their favour. By heavily loading Dublin GAA with advantages the GAA have destroyed the Leinster Championship for nearly 2 Decades and we are now heading for a decade of ruin in the AI Championship.
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Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
It's great having a strong Dublin in the GAA.
One of the things about pro US sport is that the regulators ensure competitions are competitive. It's a pity football isn't.
Is that your excuse for Galway's performance today?
Galway lost by a point today, in what is usually a competitive fixture. When either team lose their is an annoyance at a referee decision. a mistake by one or more of our players or a controversial decision.
The Dublin issue is above all that. All the cards are stacked in their favour. By heavily loading Dublin GAA with advantages the GAA have destroyed the Leinster Championship for nearly 2 Decades and we are now heading for a decade of ruin in the AI Championship.
Sure Dublin have always these advantages. Why didn't counties complain 20 years ago? What motions are clubs/county boards putting to get resources to underage coaching?
Is it Dublin fault majority of Leinster in Division 2 or below or underperforming in qualifers?
Dublin lucky to get 5 in a row. Mayo missing shots at vital stages them cost them All Irelands in 2016/17.
Dublin Des on the Sunday Game tonight, introduces the Dublin Laois match As follows. . "Well let's have a look at Dublin today where Laois are attempting to beat Dublin . . "
There's goals in this Meath team. 5 more next week would make it very interesting.
I hope to feck they beat Dublin. It would really show up how much of a load of bollix the normal championship system is.
For the sake of the whole inter county game, come on to feck Meath!
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Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
It's great having a strong Dublin in the GAA.
One of the things about pro US sport is that the regulators ensure competitions are competitive. It's a pity football isn't.
Is that your excuse for Galway's performance today?
Galway lost by a point today, in what is usually a competitive fixture. When either team lose their is an annoyance at a referee decision. a mistake by one or more of our players or a controversial decision.
The Dublin issue is above all that. All the cards are stacked in their favour. By heavily loading Dublin GAA with advantages the GAA have destroyed the Leinster Championship for nearly 2 Decades and we are now heading for a decade of ruin in the AI Championship.
Last decade has some of the best games/finals in the history of the GAA so to claim the Dubs have ruined the AI championship takes some serious levels of bitterness (even for a Mayo fan) The championship structures are doing far more to ruin the championship than anything Dublin do.
The last 2 posts are pretty daft.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 15, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
It's great having a strong Dublin in the GAA.
One of the things about pro US sport is that the regulators ensure competitions are competitive. It's a pity football isn't.
Is that your excuse for Galway's performance today?
Galway lost by a point today, in what is usually a competitive fixture. When either team lose their is an annoyance at a referee decision. a mistake by one or more of our players or a controversial decision.
The Dublin issue is above all that. All the cards are stacked in their favour. By heavily loading Dublin GAA with advantages the GAA have destroyed the Leinster Championship for nearly 2 Decades and we are now heading for a decade of ruin in the AI Championship.
Last decade has some of the best games/finals in the history of the GAA so to claim the Dubs have ruined the AI championship takes some serious levels of bitterness (even for a Mayo fan) The championship structures are doing far more to ruin the championship than anything Dublin do.
They were great finals because you won everyone you were in and never looked like losing any of them. You are so heavily loaded with advantages games like today have become really embarrassing. Today was even painful for the the commentators and even worse for the analysis's. Even Dessie Farrell does not know what to say in his post-match interview.
I packed in my season ticket in 2017! You can't continue following something like this anymore.
Quote from: Gael85 on November 15, 2020, 11:23:33 PM
Sure Dublin have always these advantages. Why didn't counties complain 20 years ago? What motions are clubs/county boards putting to get resources to underage coaching?
Is it Dublin fault majority of Leinster in Division 2 or below or underperforming in qualifers?
Dublin lucky to get 5 in a row. Mayo missing shots at vital stages them cost them All Irelands in 2016/17.
Because 20 years ago you were playing home league Games in Parnell Park. You were playing away games in the Leinster Championship. You were not getting heavy funding from Bertie, the GAA and a multitude of huge Sponsors.
There was no luck to Dublin winning 5 in a row! Yes if they came in through the back door for one or two of them.
If you think winning 14 of the last 15 Leinster titles or 7 of the last 9 Ai's does not send out a Red flag. You are as blind as most of the GAA faternity.
I'm so sick of hearing about Dublin's advantages and unfairness etc. As long as we go up Croker with gods honest intentions to kick seven shades out of them I'll be happy. Well turn them over sooner or later. If it takes longer so be it. We just have to keep making ourselves better and doing things right. And when the day comes and we beat them and hopefully go on to lift Sam it'll be some of the sweetest days of my life, adding that to memories of 87, 88, 91, 96 and 99.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 16, 2020, 12:21:54 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 15, 2020, 11:23:33 PM
Sure Dublin have always these advantages. Why didn't counties complain 20 years ago? What motions are clubs/county boards putting to get resources to underage coaching?
Is it Dublin fault majority of Leinster in Division 2 or below or underperforming in qualifers?
Dublin lucky to get 5 in a row. Mayo missing shots at vital stages them cost them All Irelands in 2016/17.
Because 20 years ago you were playing home league Games in Parnell Park. You were playing away games in the Leinster Championship. You were not getting heavy funding from Bertie, the GAA and a multitude of huge Sponsors.
There was no luck to Dublin winning 5 in a row! Yes if they came in through the back door for one or two of them.
If you think winning 14 of the last 15 Leinster titles or 7 of the last 9 Ai's does not send out a Red flag. You are as blind as most of the GAA faternity.
It's all the purest coincidence. The Dubs are simply the best.
You don't need competition in the championship anyway. Just enjoy watching them.
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2020, 06:13:57 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 16, 2020, 12:21:54 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 15, 2020, 11:23:33 PM
Sure Dublin have always these advantages. Why didn't counties complain 20 years ago? What motions are clubs/county boards putting to get resources to underage coaching?
Is it Dublin fault majority of Leinster in Division 2 or below or underperforming in qualifers?
Dublin lucky to get 5 in a row. Mayo missing shots at vital stages them cost them All Irelands in 2016/17.
Because 20 years ago you were playing home league Games in Parnell Park. You were playing away games in the Leinster Championship. You were not getting heavy funding from Bertie, the GAA and a multitude of huge Sponsors.
There was no luck to Dublin winning 5 in a row! Yes if they came in through the back door for one or two of them.
If you think winning 14 of the last 15 Leinster titles or 7 of the last 9 Ai's does not send out a Red flag. You are as blind as most of the GAA faternity.
It's all the purest coincidence. The Dubs are simply the best.
You don't need competition in the championship anyway. Just enjoy watching them.
Eminently commendable, as me granny might have put it but it takes two, at the very least, to tango. ;D
How many people would have attended the Dublin v Laois game yesterday if they had to pay serious money to watch the turkey shoot?
Mayo in the recent past and Kerry potentially once in a while might give the Dubs a right game but the odds will always favour the Dubs. Attendances were dropping off all over the place when Kerry were going for the four in a row.
IIRC, only about 19,000 attended their semi that year. Why bother your arse by reachiong into your back pocket when the result is inevitable.
G'man Seafoid, keep it stirred! :(
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2020, 06:13:57 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 16, 2020, 12:21:54 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 15, 2020, 11:23:33 PM
Sure Dublin have always these advantages. Why didn't counties complain 20 years ago? What motions are clubs/county boards putting to get resources to underage coaching?
Is it Dublin fault majority of Leinster in Division 2 or below or underperforming in qualifers?
Dublin lucky to get 5 in a row. Mayo missing shots at vital stages them cost them All Irelands in 2016/17.
Because 20 years ago you were playing home league Games in Parnell Park. You were playing away games in the Leinster Championship. You were not getting heavy funding from Bertie, the GAA and a multitude of huge Sponsors.
There was no luck to Dublin winning 5 in a row! Yes if they came in through the back door for one or two of them.
If you think winning 14 of the last 15 Leinster titles or 7 of the last 9 Ai's does not send out a Red flag. You are as blind as most of the GAA faternity.
It's all the purest coincidence. The Dubs are simply the best.
You don't need competition in the championship anyway. Just enjoy watching them.
You were on here a couple months claiming money was pumped. into Dublin because lost to Westmeath in 04😂
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 16, 2020, 12:21:54 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on November 15, 2020, 11:23:33 PM
Sure Dublin have always these advantages. Why didn't counties complain 20 years ago? What motions are clubs/county boards putting to get resources to underage coaching?
Is it Dublin fault majority of Leinster in Division 2 or below or underperforming in qualifers?
Dublin lucky to get 5 in a row. Mayo missing shots at vital stages them cost them All Irelands in 2016/17.
Because 20 years ago you were playing home league Games in Parnell Park. You were playing away games in the Leinster Championship. You were not getting heavy funding from Bertie, the GAA and a multitude of huge Sponsors.
There was no luck to Dublin winning 5 in a row! Yes if they came in through the back door for one or two of them.
If you think winning 14 of the last 15 Leinster titles or 7 of the last 9 Ai's does not send out a Red flag. You are as blind as most of the GAA faternity.
Dublin has played majority of Leinster games in Croke Park was redeveloped in 1990. The 3 replays v Meath 91 all played in Croke Park, replays Kildare 98 & 2000, Laois 99 all played in Croke Park. Games need to moved down the country. Dublin 97-2010 only played 6 championship games outside Croker 4 which were qualifiers. Surely county boards complained then?
Dublin have always played league games in Croke Park up.to the 90s. League games were moved in late 90s when Parnell Park when it was developed .
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
The last 2 posts are pretty daft.
Do you contribute anything than just been a smartarse. You love a good troll.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
The last 2 posts are pretty daft.
That's a really intelligent and well thought out post. You must have spent hours working out how to get it just right.
If Laois and Dublin were club sides they'd never meet as the standard between them is so big. Laois would play teams of a similar standard until they improved to a similar standard as Dublin. It's not a coincidence that the league is now more important to some teams than the championship as they are playing teams of a similar standard on a regular basis.
As long as the championship remains in its current format you'll see mismatches in every province and one sided beatings that benefit no one.
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2020, 12:43:38 AM
I'm so sick of hearing about Dublin's advantages and unfairness etc. As long as we go up Croker with gods honest intentions to kick seven shades out of them I'll be happy. Well turn them over sooner or later. If it takes longer so be it. We just have to keep making ourselves better and doing things right. And when the day comes and we beat them and hopefully go on to lift Sam it'll be some of the sweetest days of my life, adding that to memories of 87, 88, 91, 96 and 99.
You didn't win Sam in 1991. You Meath hoors are as bad as those cute Kerry hoors, claiming All Ireland's you didn't actually win ;D
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
The last 2 posts are pretty daft.
That's a really intelligent and well thought out post. You must have spent hours working out how to get it just right.
If Laois and Dublin were club sides they'd never meet as the standard between them is so big. Laois would play teams of a similar standard until they improved to a similar standard as Dublin. It's not a coincidence that the league is now more important to some teams than the championship as they are playing teams of a similar standard on a regular basis.
As long as the championship remains in its current format you'll see mismatches in every province and one sided beatings that benefit no one.
Like Div 3 Cork beating Div 1 Kerry? Or Div 1 Donegal destroying Armagh, who'll be in Div 1 next season?
Mismatches will always be there, even among Div 1 teams. Should we just let the top 2 or 3 teams play for Sam then?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-if-dublin-win-six-will-the-gaa-see-it-as-a-problem-1.4020060
Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin's movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-no-hiding-mayo-s-many-mistakes-against-dublin-1.3984163
I was interested in their game management after Lee Keegan's goal. I noticed that they there was a signal given and they went into a hand-passing drill back and forth to take the sting out of the game after that score.
Any bit of rebellion that Mayo may have had was drained out by this couple of minutes of patient recycling. This was only the 52nd minute. The 12 points in 12 minutes is over: they have the game won and they can control the tempo and just see it out. They were not about to get sucked into one of those helter-skelter closing finishes with which Mayo nearly caught them before
Does Benny Cake's County (Tyrone?) have all the Clubs in one Championship?
Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2020, 09:30:42 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
The last 2 posts are pretty daft.
That's a really intelligent and well thought out post. You must have spent hours working out how to get it just right.
If Laois and Dublin were club sides they'd never meet as the standard between them is so big. Laois would play teams of a similar standard until they improved to a similar standard as Dublin. It's not a coincidence that the league is now more important to some teams than the championship as they are playing teams of a similar standard on a regular basis.
As long as the championship remains in its current format you'll see mismatches in every province and one sided beatings that benefit no one.
Like Div 3 Cork beating Div 1 Kerry? Or Div 1 Donegal destroying Armagh, who'll be in Div 1 next season?
Mismatches will always be there, even among Div 1 teams. Should we just let the top 2 or 3 teams play for Sam then?
It would nice for teams going out to play knowing they have a chance of victory or winning a trophy or competing with teams of similar standard. It works at club level.
I imagine Leitrim got great delight in winning Div 4 in the league a few years ago as that was a realistic and achieveable goal as well a as trophy/medal for the players. Days like that are what players remember and enjoy not getting hammered on an annual basis in the Connaught championship by Galway or Mayo
Leitrim brought at least 5 or 6,000 to that D4 Final.
Their hurlers won the Lory Meagher cup a couple of months after and had one hell of a celebration after.
Manys a Laythrumite were at their first ever hurling match that day.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2020, 09:22:29 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2020, 12:43:38 AM
I'm so sick of hearing about Dublin's advantages and unfairness etc. As long as we go up Croker with gods honest intentions to kick seven shades out of them I'll be happy. Well turn them over sooner or later. If it takes longer so be it. We just have to keep making ourselves better and doing things right. And when the day comes and we beat them and hopefully go on to lift Sam it'll be some of the sweetest days of my life, adding that to memories of 87, 88, 91, 96 and 99.
You didn't win Sam in 1991. You Meath hoors are as bad as those cute Kerry hoors, claiming All Ireland's you didn't actually win ;D
No, but we won the 4 in a row with the Dubs.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 12:12:24 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2020, 09:30:42 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 15, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
The last 2 posts are pretty daft.
That's a really intelligent and well thought out post. You must have spent hours working out how to get it just right.
If Laois and Dublin were club sides they'd never meet as the standard between them is so big. Laois would play teams of a similar standard until they improved to a similar standard as Dublin. It's not a coincidence that the league is now more important to some teams than the championship as they are playing teams of a similar standard on a regular basis.
As long as the championship remains in its current format you'll see mismatches in every province and one sided beatings that benefit no one.
Like Div 3 Cork beating Div 1 Kerry? Or Div 1 Donegal destroying Armagh, who'll be in Div 1 next season?
Mismatches will always be there, even among Div 1 teams. Should we just let the top 2 or 3 teams play for Sam then?
It would nice for teams going out to play knowing they have a chance of victory or winning a trophy or competing with teams of similar standard. It works at club level.
I imagine Leitrim got great delight in winning Div 4 in the league a few years ago as that was a realistic and achieveable goal as well a as trophy/medal for the players. Days like that are what players remember and enjoy not getting hammered on an annual basis in the Connaught championship by Galway or Mayo
Have you not watched the last 6 years of the AI championship??? In case you haven't; even the big teams of Div 1 have continually been steamrolled by Dublin. The teams from 2nd downward have no chance of competing
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2020, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 16, 2020, 09:22:29 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2020, 12:43:38 AM
I'm so sick of hearing about Dublin's advantages and unfairness etc. As long as we go up Croker with gods honest intentions to kick seven shades out of them I'll be happy. Well turn them over sooner or later. If it takes longer so be it. We just have to keep making ourselves better and doing things right. And when the day comes and we beat them and hopefully go on to lift Sam it'll be some of the sweetest days of my life, adding that to memories of 87, 88, 91, 96 and 99.
You didn't win Sam in 1991. You Meath hoors are as bad as those cute Kerry hoors, claiming All Ireland's you didn't actually win ;D
No, but we won the 4 in a row with the Dubs.
Fair enough. They were great occasions.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 16, 2020, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 15, 2020, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 15, 2020, 10:38:56 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 15, 2020, 08:52:28 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 15, 2020, 07:55:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 15, 2020, 05:10:32 PM
Well done Laois, its not easy score 7 points in 75 odd minutes against Dublin. You'd have think Dublin are favourites after that win. They really are unbeatable at home.
It's great having a strong Dublin in the GAA.
One of the things about pro US sport is that the regulators ensure competitions are competitive. It's a pity football isn't.
Is that your excuse for Galway's performance today?
Galway lost by a point today, in what is usually a competitive fixture. When either team lose their is an annoyance at a referee decision. a mistake by one or more of our players or a controversial decision.
The Dublin issue is above all that. All the cards are stacked in their favour. By heavily loading Dublin GAA with advantages the GAA have destroyed the Leinster Championship for nearly 2 Decades and we are now heading for a decade of ruin in the AI Championship.
Last decade has some of the best games/finals in the history of the GAA so to claim the Dubs have ruined the AI championship takes some serious levels of bitterness (even for a Mayo fan) The championship structures are doing far more to ruin the championship than anything Dublin do.
They were great finals because you won everyone you were in and never looked like losing any of them. You are so heavily loaded with advantages games like today have become really embarrassing. Today was even painful for the the commentators and even worse for the analysis's. Even Dessie Farrell does not know what to say in his post-match interview.
I packed in my season ticket in 2017! You can't continue following something like this anymore.
You are writing things that people don't want to hear. It doesn't matter how many different ways you might write it you will always be accused of being bitter and a troll. So just be quiet and accept the football championship as it is.
For the record I was a die-hard follower of my county. I haven't been to a game in 7 or 8 years now. I saw what was coming and got out. I'm ashamed to say I was watching the golf yesterday. I feel better for it.
It's amazing how all these threads turn into dubs bashing.
What do Meath fans think ahead of Saturday night? They should have won the league game in Parnell Park. They're not afraid to go for goal when they get a chance
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 04:38:45 PM
It's amazing how all these threads turn into dubs bashing.
What do Meath fans think ahead of Saturday night? They should have won the league game in Parnell Park. They're not afraid to go for goal when they get a chance
How very Donald Trump of you.
This is the Leinster championship thread.
My bad for getting sick of the usual Dublin are the evil empire set on destroying everything and everyone in their path and asking a question about football and the Leinster Final
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
This is the Leinster championship thread.
My bad for getting sick of the usual Dublin are the evil empire set on destroying everything and everyone in their path and asking a question about football and the Leinster Final
to me Dublin have some great footballers but it's their strength in the tackle and their unbelievable conditioning that allows them to wallop Laois and the Westmeaths of football, how many times did Laois have a slight opening and the ball carrier got a slap from a dub the ball is turned over and it's an easy score down the field , strength and conditioning is what all the lower counties should be starting with for a panel of thirty , no point having nice ball players or getting 15 men behind the ball when you are getting blown out in the tackle .
Quote from: Gmac on November 16, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
This is the Leinster championship thread.
My bad for getting sick of the usual Dublin are the evil empire set on destroying everything and everyone in their path and asking a question about football and the Leinster Final
to me Dublin have some great footballers but it's their strength in the tackle and their unbelievable conditioning that allows them to wallop Laois and the Westmeaths of football, how many times did Laois have a slight opening and the ball carrier got a slap from a dub the ball is turned over and it's an easy score down the field , strength and conditioning is what all the lower counties should be starting with for a panel of thirty , no point having nice ball players or getting 15 men behind the ball when you are getting blown out in the tackle .
I'd go along with all of Gmac's comments above and I'd add to that the strength of Dublin's bench (e.g. Cormac Costello's contribution on Sunday last). In addition for ten years now Dublin have been developing and evolving a process on and off the field which everyone on the team understands and buys into. Bernard Brogan describes the evolution of the process in his autobiography.
Next weekend we'll see how Meath measure up to the challenge. Their swashbuckling approach so far has been refreshing and they'll come out like demons on Saturday. I think Dublin will win but Meath will not go down without a hell of a fight.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 16, 2020, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 16, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
This is the Leinster championship thread.
My bad for getting sick of the usual Dublin are the evil empire set on destroying everything and everyone in their path and asking a question about football and the Leinster Final
to me Dublin have some great footballers but it's their strength in the tackle and their unbelievable conditioning that allows them to wallop Laois and the Westmeaths of football, how many times did Laois have a slight opening and the ball carrier got a slap from a dub the ball is turned over and it's an easy score down the field , strength and conditioning is what all the lower counties should be starting with for a panel of thirty , no point having nice ball players or getting 15 men behind the ball when you are getting blown out in the tackle .
I'd go along with all of Gmac's comments above and I'd add to that the strength of Dublin's bench (e.g. Cormac Costello's contribution on Sunday last). In addition for ten years now Dublin have been developing and evolving a process on and off the field which everyone on the team understands and buys into. Bernard Brogan describes the evolution of the process in his autobiography.
Next weekend we'll see how Meath measure up to the challenge. Their swashbuckling approach so far has been refreshing and they'll come out like demons on Saturday. I think Dublin will win but Meath will not go down without a hell of a fight.
You'd have to hope Meath get more than 4 points in the Final this year? 6 points would be an improvement of 50%, but may be beyond them. Then again Laois got 7 this year and Westmeath got 11.
Cluxton 1/25 to get his Leinster medal number 16. How did they come up with them odds?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 16, 2020, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 16, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
This is the Leinster championship thread.
My bad for getting sick of the usual Dublin are the evil empire set on destroying everything and everyone in their path and asking a question about football and the Leinster Final
to me Dublin have some great footballers but it's their strength in the tackle and their unbelievable conditioning that allows them to wallop Laois and the Westmeaths of football, how many times did Laois have a slight opening and the ball carrier got a slap from a dub the ball is turned over and it's an easy score down the field , strength and conditioning is what all the lower counties should be starting with for a panel of thirty , no point having nice ball players or getting 15 men behind the ball when you are getting blown out in the tackle .
I'd go along with all of Gmac's comments above and I'd add to that the strength of Dublin's bench (e.g. Cormac Costello's contribution on Sunday last). In addition for ten years now Dublin have been developing and evolving a process on and off the field which everyone on the team understands and buys into. Bernard Brogan describes the evolution of the process in his autobiography.
Next weekend we'll see how Meath measure up to the challenge. Their swashbuckling approach so far has been refreshing and they'll come out like demons on Saturday. I think Dublin will win but Meath will not go down without a hell of a fight.
Full back line with need to tighten up. Meath should have got 2/3 goals in the league meeting.
Dublin 1-20 Meath 0-19 a few weeks ago. I suppose this Saturday will see the difference between a league and championship match plus the difference between Dublin playing in Croke Park and Parnell Park.
Quote from: Gmac on November 16, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
This is the Leinster championship thread.
My bad for getting sick of the usual Dublin are the evil empire set on destroying everything and everyone in their path and asking a question about football and the Leinster Final
to me Dublin have some great footballers but it's their strength in the tackle and their unbelievable conditioning that allows them to wallop Laois and the Westmeaths of football, how many times did Laois have a slight opening and the ball carrier got a slap from a dub the ball is turned over and it's an easy score down the field , strength and conditioning is what all the lower counties should be starting with for a panel of thirty , no point having nice ball players or getting 15 men behind the ball when you are getting blown out in the tackle .
That is a big advantage for Dublin. One of the reasons Mayo really put it up to Dublin was they had the conditioning and strength to match the Dublin players one v one. Tomas O'Se pointed it out on the sunday game a few weeks ago against Westmeath. One of the Westmeath lads tracked a Ciaran Kilkenny run, but was too wrecked to anything the next play.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 16, 2020, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 16, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 16, 2020, 07:34:19 PM
This is the Leinster championship thread.
My bad for getting sick of the usual Dublin are the evil empire set on destroying everything and everyone in their path and asking a question about football and the Leinster Final
to me Dublin have some great footballers but it's their strength in the tackle and their unbelievable conditioning that allows them to wallop Laois and the Westmeaths of football, how many times did Laois have a slight opening and the ball carrier got a slap from a dub the ball is turned over and it's an easy score down the field , strength and conditioning is what all the lower counties should be starting with for a panel of thirty , no point having nice ball players or getting 15 men behind the ball when you are getting blown out in the tackle .
I'd go along with all of Gmac's comments above and I'd add to that the strength of Dublin's bench (e.g. Cormac Costello's contribution on Sunday last). In addition for ten years now Dublin have been developing and evolving a process on and off the field which everyone on the team understands and buys into. Bernard Brogan describes the evolution of the process in his autobiography.
Next weekend we'll see how Meath measure up to the challenge. Their swashbuckling approach so far has been refreshing and they'll come out like demons on Saturday. I think Dublin will win but Meath will not go down without a hell of a fight.
The Covid break has obviously disrupted a lot of things in the GAA. Not sure if Kildare were extra disrupted when the Kildare extra restrictions came in.
At the start of the year I honestly believed Kildare would give us a right battle and still think that if they played Meath 5 weeks in a row, they'd win at least 3. Two of the goals they gave away were pure kamikaze.
In fairness to Meath, when they got into a winning position, they never looked like losing it even when there was plenty of time left for a Kildare revival. Maybe they exposed a weakness in Kildare that Dublin would have obliterated and Meath do have a sprinkling of exciting forward talent.
Meath won't get away with starting slowly against the Dubs and they will need goals. Like any other team with a hope of beating Dublin, they will need to be in touch at half time, and then to show in the first 10 minutes of the second half that they intend to stick around. Then they just might have a glimmer. But big underdogs for sure.
We're almost there. The strangest Leinster Final in one hundred years. I'm hoping for the best but I know that Meath will present a fierce challenge. I'd like to say "may the best team win" but of course I only want Dublin to win. Come on You Boys in Blue.
On the 100th anniversary of Bloody Sunday, Royal forces - Crown forces - are once again mobilising at Croke Park in an attempt to carry out an ambush
"Dublin won't know what has hit it - they'll be building yet another new Hill 16 from the rubble after tonight", said Andy McEntee, he of the famous Blueshirt family
McEntee for his part claims he is trying to take down an empire - ironically, a blueshirt empire
Meath will have a squad of masked men inside the stadium planning the ambush strategy
A particular focus of attention for the Dublin sharpshooters will be Meath's Cairo Gang – a group of key players who are also Liverpool supporters and fans of Mohamed Salah
Dublin are planning to unleash some heavy artillery from the sideline to crush opposition
Dublin-Meath clashes of the past traditionally resulted in heavy bloodshed on the Croke Park pitch
A lot rides on tonight's events, a heavy defeat for the Royal squadron could result in partition for Dublin at the end of '21, which would surely lead to a bitter Civil War
Guns are preparing to fire in the cold November rain
I'm speechless :o
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Brilliant Dublin goal
The excitement of knock out football..zzzzzzzzzzzzz
The difference in strength and conditioning between Dublin and Meath (and any other team in Ireland really) is mental. Professionals v amateurs.
18 mins gone. Water break. Dublin 1-6 Meath 0-2
Meath have twice got players inside into positions where they could have got a shot on goal
Both times they hesitated and didn't pull the trigger and within a split second Dublin had three or four defenders back to flood the area
If you get a sight of goal against Dublin you can't afford to hesitate
Meath started quite well and have had 2 really good goal chances. But Dublin's goal was absolutely outstanding. The ploy of Con to midfield for Dublin kickouts has been very successful. A very impressive first quarter for the Dubs.
Meath so loose in defence as I type Dublin basically walk in for a second goal.
This is embarrassing. Expected more from Meath tbh.
It will be so easily 6 in a row.
Dublin could win 20 in a row.
This is Orwellian
Are you guys watching the same game , Dublin are incredible , there has never been a team like it , it's a joy to watch .they get better and better every year
Looking forward to Spillane at half time. He talked Meath up so much!
Meath's levels have definitely drifted off after a promising opening 10 minutes. But Dublin have been superb. The best first half performance by the Dubs in quite some time IMO.
They really are a great team to watch!
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
It will be so easily 6 in a row.
Dublin could win 20 in a row.
I was wondering earlier what sort of odds a bookie would be giving on Fenton not losing a championship game before he retires.
I'd say the major risks against him managing it are either Dublin being split or kicked out of the championship.
This is depressing. Don't think I'll even bother watching the second half.
I'm away to the pu... ah feck!
In truth McEntee isn't a top coach or near it, he's Banty level
He's done alright in a limited way with Meath in that he got them into Division 1 but this tonight is the brutal, brutal truth
The teams are playing different sports
Meath should have nabbed Malachy O'Rourke last year when they had the chance
I wonder would they go for Mickey Harte
Maybe Jim Gavin fancies a challenge
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 21, 2020, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
It will be so easily 6 in a row.
Dublin could win 20 in a row.
I was wondering earlier what sort of odds a bookie would be giving on Fenton not losing a championship game before he retires.
I'd say the major risks against him managing it are either Dublin being split or kicked out of the championship.
I say kick them out! ;D
Half time Dublin 2-12 Meath 0-2. All too easy for Dublin. Meath only scored 0-4 in the Leinster final last year are they going to repeat that tonight.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 21, 2020, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
It will be so easily 6 in a row.
Dublin could win 20 in a row.
I was wondering earlier what sort of odds a bookie would be giving on Fenton not losing a championship game before he retires.
I'd say the major risks against him managing it are either Dublin being split or kicked out of the championship.
The way Fenton and Kilkenny are playing they make everything look easy. Only disappointing thing is King Con isn't quite match sharp. He's won a few kick ours well, but missed a few chances he'd normally take
Quote from: larryin89 on November 21, 2020, 07:33:51 PM
Are you guys watching the same game , Dublin are incredible , there has never been a team like it , it's a joy to watch .they get better and better every year
Yea a once in a lifetime team. ::)
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:42:39 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 21, 2020, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
It will be so easily 6 in a row.
Dublin could win 20 in a row.
I was wondering earlier what sort of odds a bookie would be giving on Fenton not losing a championship game before he retires.
I'd say the major risks against him managing it are either Dublin being split or kicked out of the championship.
I say kick them out! ;D
Give it a few more years and I reckon Dublin will have to choose between being split in 4/5 or being kicked out of the championship.
Wouldn't surprise me if Dublin GAA said no and they end up being kicked out of the championship.
I don't think I'll bother watching the second half or next season for that matter. What's the f**king point. No one is going to get even close to Dublin, not Donegal or Mayo.
Last year dubs supporters (not meath) were leaving hill 16 in droves with 20 minutes to go. I wonder what they are doing this year
In all seriousness, Dublin will easily win the next 4 or 5 All Ireland's.
By that time, everyone else won't even be taking county football in any way serious.
The Leinster championship has been dead for years. The AI will be the same.
Dublin are the greatest team in GAA history and getting better year after year ... Dublin v Donegal semi has makings of a classic ... unless Cavan have a say tomorrow, can't see it.
GAA have created a monster in this Dublin setup.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:47:46 PM
In all seriousness, Dublin will easily win the next 4 or 5 All Ireland's.
By that time, everyone else won't even be taking county football in any way serious.
The Leinster championship has been dead for years. The AI will be the same.
And you know what? I'm delighted. Genuinely hope the Gaa are on their knees in 10 years financially wise.
Quote from: larryin89 on November 21, 2020, 07:33:51 PM
Are you guys watching the same game , Dublin are incredible , there has never been a team like it , it's a joy to watch .they get better and better every year
They are the best money can buy. The great thing is I dont care and I actually love watching them hammer teams.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
In truth McEntee isn't a top coach or near it, he's Banty level
He's done alright in a limited way with Meath in that he got them into Division 1 but this tonight is the brutal, brutal truth
The teams are playing different sports
Meath should have nabbed Malachy O'Rourke last year when they had the chance
I wonder would they go for Mickey Harte
Maybe Jim Gavin fancies a challenge
Div 1 and Leinster Final, a good coach. . They could bring in McGuinness, O'Rourke, Gavin and Harte and would still take a tanking
Quote from: mup on November 21, 2020, 07:50:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:47:46 PM
In all seriousness, Dublin will easily win the next 4 or 5 All Ireland's.
By that time, everyone else won't even be taking county football in any way serious.
The Leinster championship has been dead for years. The AI will be the same.
And you know what? I'm delighted. Genuinely hope the Gaa are on their knees in 10 years financially wise.
Can you explain your thinking on that?
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 21, 2020, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
It will be so easily 6 in a row.
Dublin could win 20 in a row.
I was wondering earlier what sort of odds a bookie would be giving on Fenton not losing a championship game before he retires.
I'd say the major risks against him managing it are either Dublin being split or kicked out of the championship.
The way Fenton and Kilkenny are playing they make everything look easy. Only disappointing thing is King Con isn't quite match sharp. He's won a few kick ours well, but missed a few chances he'd normally take
Con is playing a deeper role. Agree not as clinical on the scoreboard. McDaid is having a great game.
This may not be the year Dublin get beat
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2020, 07:50:18 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on November 21, 2020, 07:33:51 PM
Are you guys watching the same game , Dublin are incredible , there has never been a team like it , it's a joy to watch .they get better and better every year
They are the best money can buy. The great thing is I dont care and I actually love watching them hammer teams.
Good crack all right. I'm looking forward to the post match interviews. Johnny Cooper is usually good
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 07:47:35 PM
I don't think I'll bother watching the second half or next season for that matter. What's the f**king point. No one is going to get even close to Dublin, not Donegal or Mayo.
Donegal and Mayo will give a better account of themselves. Not sure what Meaths gameplan was in this game and collectively drop the heads too soon.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 21, 2020, 07:51:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
In truth McEntee isn't a top coach or near it, he's Banty level
He's done alright in a limited way with Meath in that he got them into Division 1 but this tonight is the brutal, brutal truth
The teams are playing different sports
Meath should have nabbed Malachy O'Rourke last year when they had the chance
I wonder would they go for Mickey Harte
Maybe Jim Gavin fancies a challenge
Div 1 and Leinster Final, a good coach. . They could bring in McGuinness, O'Rourke, Gavin and Harte and would still take a tanking
They'd lose alright but they might be competitive
The coach makes a massive difference
See Waterford hurlers today compared to Waterford 2019
See Donegal 2020 compared to Donegal 2017
Or Donegal 2012 compared to Donegal 2010
Meath with their first score since the 8th minute. 2-13 to 0-3.
What a joke
The All Ireland will be similar
Meath have now matched their score in the 2019 Leinster final
Can they beat it
It would be a moral victory
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: mup on November 21, 2020, 07:50:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:47:46 PM
In all seriousness, Dublin will easily win the next 4 or 5 All Ireland's.
By that time, everyone else won't even be taking county football in any way serious.
The Leinster championship has been dead for years. The AI will be the same.
And you know what? I'm delighted. Genuinely hope the Gaa are on their knees in 10 years financially wise.
Can you explain your thinking on that?
Because Im pissed off that they've destroyed football.
If you think tactics and a game plan are the difference here you're talking out your shitepipe. raw talent, conditioning and athleticism that is unmatched by any other team in the country.
Quote from: mup on November 21, 2020, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: mup on November 21, 2020, 07:50:09 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:47:46 PM
In all seriousness, Dublin will easily win the next 4 or 5 All Ireland's.
By that time, everyone else won't even be taking county football in any way serious.
The Leinster championship has been dead for years. The AI will be the same.
And you know what? I'm delighted. Genuinely hope the Gaa are on their knees in 10 years financially wise.
Can you explain your thinking on that?
Because Im pissed off that they've destroyed football.
Fair enough. You'll get your wish.
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
If you think tactics and a game plan are the difference here you're talking out your shitepipe. raw talent, conditioning and athleticism that is unmatched by any other team in the country.
OK, but how have Mayo managed to so consistently compete with Dublin in that case?
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
In truth McEntee isn't a top coach or near it, he's Banty level
He's done alright in a limited way with Meath in that he got them into Division 1 but this tonight is the brutal, brutal truth
The teams are playing different sports
Meath should have nabbed Malachy O'Rourke last year when they had the chance
I wonder would they go for Mickey Harte
Maybe Jim Gavin fancies a challenge
harte has had a much better Tyrone team and not got near this Dublin team.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
If you think tactics and a game plan are the difference here you're talking out your shitepipe. raw talent, conditioning and athleticism that is unmatched by any other team in the country.
OK, but how have Mayo managed to so consistently compete with Dublin in that case?
Is that what the football championship is being reduced to though? The hope that once every five years a team might give Dublin a run of it?
Dublin bet Mayo by ten points last year. If the two sides meet again this year, I would expect a similar margin of defeat.
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
If you think tactics and a game plan are the difference here you're talking out your shitepipe. raw talent, conditioning and athleticism that is unmatched by any other team in the country.
Meath cannot bridge the gap with the Dubs under the current system.
The Leinster fuball championship is pointless.
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
If you think tactics and a game plan are the difference here you're talking out your shitepipe. raw talent, conditioning and athleticism that is unmatched by any other team in the country.
Money, in other words
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 07:47:35 PM
I don't think I'll bother watching the second half or next season for that matter. What's the f**king point. No one is going to get even close to Dublin, not Donegal or Mayo.
The only way Meath is close to Dublin is at the county boundary.
Things have changed a lot since 1991.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:47:46 PM
In all seriousness, Dublin will easily win the next 4 or 5 All Ireland's.
By that time, everyone else won't even be taking county football in any way serious.
The Leinster championship has been dead for years. The AI will be the same.
I've said it before but when will the penny drop?
Ten in a row? 15?
One of these years they'll be caught out on a bad day, but they're going to win at least four out of five All Ireland's for the foreseeable future.
Maybe by 2030 we'll be talking about a split.
Up to the other 31 Co Boards to grow some balls and do something about it starting with the 10 Leinster ones (KK won't give a sh1te).
Don't enter teams in the Leinster SF"C" and the rest don't enter the AI SF"C".
Is County football dead?
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 21, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
In truth McEntee isn't a top coach or near it, he's Banty level
He's done alright in a limited way with Meath in that he got them into Division 1 but this tonight is the brutal, brutal truth
The teams are playing different sports
Meath should have nabbed Malachy O'Rourke last year when they had the chance
I wonder would they go for Mickey Harte
Maybe Jim Gavin fancies a challenge
harte has had a much better Tyrone team and not got near this Dublin team.
I'd argue Harte has been holding Tyrone back. He's still relying on a defensive game plan that teams have figured out.
You let Dublin have the ball and they'll destroy you. Mayo and Kerry going at Dublin are the only ones to cause them problems
Quote from: An Watcher on November 21, 2020, 08:38:44 PM
Is County football dead?
Where have you been the last 6 years?
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
If you think tactics and a game plan are the difference here you're talking out your shitepipe. raw talent, conditioning and athleticism that is unmatched by any other team in the country.
OK, but how have Mayo managed to so consistently compete with Dublin in that case?
Until.last year, Sid.
The 10 mins of pass the parcel to show who is in charge.
GF is fucked
Dub all Irelands have no credibility
.
Tipp lost fair and square today. Meath did not
3rd routine win for Dublin in this championship. Dublin 3-21 Meath 0-9. Over to Donegal, Mayo, Tipp, Cork or Cavan to see can they be competitive against Dublin.
Quote from: seafoid on November 21, 2020, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
If you think tactics and a game plan are the difference here you're talking out your shitepipe. raw talent, conditioning and athleticism that is unmatched by any other team in the country.
OK, but how have Mayo managed to so consistently compete with Dublin in that case?
Until.last year, Sid.
The 10 mins of pass the parcel to show who is in charge.
GF is fucked
Dub all Irelands have no credibility
.
Tipp lost fair and square today. Meath did not
Course Meath were robbed. Who Dublin and the likes of Fenton, Kilkenny and Cluxton think they are. They're not allowed be that good. They should hang their heads in shame.
Dublin footballers kicking the ball with both feet, what's all that about? It's not fair on the other teams
Quote from: Rossfan on November 21, 2020, 08:34:31 PM
Up to the other 31 Co Boards to grow some balls and do something about it starting with the 10 Leinster ones (KL wont give a sh1te).
Don't enter teams in the Leinster SF"C" and the rest don't enter the AI SF"C".
What ?
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on November 21, 2020, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2020, 08:14:08 PM
If you think tactics and a game plan are the difference here you're talking out your shitepipe. raw talent, conditioning and athleticism that is unmatched by any other team in the country.
OK, but how have Mayo managed to so consistently compete with Dublin in that case?
Is that what the football championship is being reduced to though? The hope that once every five years a team might give Dublin a run of it?
Dublin bet Mayo by ten points last year. If the two sides meet again this year, I would expect a similar margin of defeat.
They did but Kerry drew with them in the All-Ireland final and but for a bit of a loss of composure might well have won
Quote from: J70 on November 21, 2020, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 07:47:46 PM
In all seriousness, Dublin will easily win the next 4 or 5 All Ireland's.
By that time, everyone else won't even be taking county football in any way serious.
The Leinster championship has been dead for years. The AI will be the same.
I've said it before but when will the penny drop?
Ten in a row? 15?
One of these years they'll be caught out on a bad day, but they're going to win at least four out of five All Ireland's for the foreseeable future.
Maybe by 2030 we'll be talking about a split.
Year on year, they get stronger. The team constantly evolves. Other teams have a shelf life. Dublin don't. It's less and less likely they'll be caught on a bad day. It's clear they won't be going anywhere for at least a decade, if not more.
Attendances are down. Season ticket sales down. More and more players walking away. Leinster is dead. Dublin won't be caught no matter the championship format. County football is dead. I don't know how it can recover from here.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 08:40:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 21, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
In truth McEntee isn't a top coach or near it, he's Banty level
He's done alright in a limited way with Meath in that he got them into Division 1 but this tonight is the brutal, brutal truth
The teams are playing different sports
Meath should have nabbed Malachy O'Rourke last year when they had the chance
I wonder would they go for Mickey Harte
Maybe Jim Gavin fancies a challenge
harte has had a much better Tyrone team and not got near this Dublin team.
I'd argue Harte has been holding Tyrone back. He's still relying on a defensive game plan that teams have figured out.
You let Dublin have the ball and they'll destroy you. Mayo and Kerry going at Dublin are the only ones to cause them problems
You can argue it if you like but the Tyrone teams of the last decade weren't a patch on their 3 All-Ireland winning teams. Dublin will destroy any team that defends as loosely as Meath did tonight.
Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Great performance by the Dubs. Tackling with ferocity, excellent footpassing and shooting and every man gives everything he has from a work rate point of view.
Of crucial importance, we have the best keeper in the country and best freetaker in the country. Two awesome individuals and I feel blessed that they're both Dubs.
We might not win every game (or we might), but for as long as those two are around, we'll be the best team in the country.
Quote from: Hound on November 21, 2020, 09:05:25 PM
Great performance by the Dubs. Tackling with ferocity, excellent footpassing and shooting and every man gives everything he has from a work rate point of view.
Of crucial importance, we have the best keeper in the country and best freetaker in the country. Two awesome individuals and I feel blessed that they're both Dubs.
We might not win every game (or we might), but for as long as those two are around, we'll be the best team in the country.
Tackling was a lot of better in contrast to the league encounter. A lot to improve on for Donegal game.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 08:40:00 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on November 21, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
In truth McEntee isn't a top coach or near it, he's Banty level
He's done alright in a limited way with Meath in that he got them into Division 1 but this tonight is the brutal, brutal truth
The teams are playing different sports
Meath should have nabbed Malachy O'Rourke last year when they had the chance
I wonder would they go for Mickey Harte
Maybe Jim Gavin fancies a challenge
harte has had a much better Tyrone team and not got near this Dublin team.
I'd argue Harte has been holding Tyrone back. He's still relying on a defensive game plan that teams have figured out.
You let Dublin have the ball and they'll destroy you. Mayo and Kerry going at Dublin are the only ones to cause them problems
Harte is still one of the best coaches out there but probably not quite real elite anymore in terms of tactics
But he does bring a very professional ethos to a team and that has meant Tyrone did not fall away like Down, Armagh and Derry did
Tyrone were not disgraced in the 2018 final
That professional ethos is what Mayo and Kerry have had over the last eight or nine years, they were never afraid of Dublin
Donegal had it between 2011 and 2014 and look like they do again
Tyrone were just below that level
So it is possible to be competitive or very competitive against Dublin
Meath have 200k people, that's a bigger population than Mayo, Kerry, Donegal or Tyrone, and they're better situated economically
They're one of the traditional elite counties of Gaelic football
They have everything in their favour to be very competitive
So do Galway, Cork and Kildare
I also wonder that. They're obviously very good but Tyrone had a chance to beat them. Tyrone wouldn't have the chance to beat Dublin I expect. Donegal post Ulster haven't done it this past few years. To go from not making a breakthrough to beating Dublin would be a massive step.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 10, 2009, 08:52:13 AM
QuoteTHE Leinster Council have devised a plan to help maximise the massive earning power of the Dublin's footballers, while also helping to avoid a major ticket scramble ahead of the provincial semi-finals.
The Leinster SFC semi-finals were originally scheduled as a double-header in Croke Park on June 28.
Dublin demonstrated their extraordinary pulling power by attracting 75,250 to their opening championship clash with Meath last weekend, more than double the 32,204 crowd who travelled to the Munster football semi-final between Cork and Kerry in Killarney last Sunday.
And that huge opening crowd immediately raised fears about a stampede for tickets for the Leinster semi-finals, where either Kildare or Wexford are due to play Laois or Louth and Dublin face the winners of Wicklow/Westmeath.
With expectations particularly high among Lilywhite fans this summer, their involvement in a double-header would only have exacerbated the problem.
So, the Leinster Council have provisionally arranged that if Kildare qualify, their semi-final will be taken out of Croke Park and the Dublin semi-final will be left there as a stand-alone game.
Firstly I don't care where the Kildare game is played, if we beat Wexford and that's a big bloody if, so this is all just speculation but if we do beat Wexford then you risk the possiblity of Dublin been in the Leinster Final have playing their third game in a row there whereas there possible opponents (KE, LS, LH) will be playing their first game in Croker this season, no matter what anyone says that is giving Dublin an advantage. Anyhow my main point is that the Leinster Council could be missing a fantastic opportunity to promote their games, a 82K sell-out with a mad scramble for tickets is always great copy for the papers, lets be honest anyone who deserves a ticket will get one but ticket fever always gives a great buzz in a county as it generally the first thing people talk about when they meet up. The Leinster Council imho are just been greedy and that won't reflect well in Kildare, Laois or Louth if Kildare manage to beat Wexford.
When it all began.......... :'(
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 21, 2020, 09:18:05 PM
I also wonder that. They're obviously very good but Tyrone had a chance to beat them. Tyrone wouldn't have the chance to beat Dublin I expect. Donegal post Ulster haven't done it this past few years. To go from not making a breakthrough to beating Dublin would be a massive step.
Tyrone beat Dublin this year
Yes it was only a league match but Dublin are usually pretty relentless all through the year
Tyrone are a good, seasoned team who had reached five of the previous seven All-Ireland semi-finals, and therefore it was hardly a surprise that they gave Donegal a close match, particularly in a knockout Ulster Championship first round match in which both teams had little football under their belts
It was the sort of match in which any sort of win was massive
Attitude is what Donegal would need most of all against Dublin, they have to believe with every fibre of their being that they are going to control the match and win
Meath completely froze tonight, the heads dropped very quickly, I can't remember who it was but there was a Mayo player in House Of Pain who described the feeling when Kerry got the drop on them early in the 2006 final, it was like their legs collectively turned to jelly and their brains turned to mush, they were literally shaking
Kerry used to routinely pummel teams in Croke Park in the 2000s, but when they met their match they could be stood up to and beaten
Dublin can too, but you have to take your chances
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?
"Great white hope" syndrome?
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 21, 2020, 09:18:05 PM
I also wonder that. They're obviously very good but Tyrone had a chance to beat them. Tyrone wouldn't have the chance to beat Dublin I expect. Donegal post Ulster haven't done it this past few years. To go from not making a breakthrough to beating Dublin would be a massive step.
Tyrone beat Dublin this year
Yes it was only a league match but Dublin are usually pretty relentless all through the year
Tyrone are a good, seasoned team who had reached five of the previous seven All-Ireland semi-finals, and therefore it was hardly a surprise that they gave Donegal a close match, particularly in a knockout Ulster Championship first round match in which both teams had little football under their belts
It was the sort of match in which any sort of win was massive
Attitude is what Donegal would need most of all against Dublin, they have to believe with every fibre of their being that they are going to control the match and win
Meath completely froze tonight, the heads dropped very quickly, I can't remember who it was but there was a Mayo player in House Of Pain who described the feeling when Kerry got the drop on them early in the 2006 final, it was like their legs collectively turned to jelly and their brains turned to mush, they were literally shaking
Kerry used to routinely pummel teams in Croke Park in the 2000s, but when they met their match they could be stood up to and beaten
Dublin can too, but you have to take your chances
You are now a big mental barrier for the Leinster teams.
Yes Tyrone are very good but you always put them away when it counts.
Perversely imo one of the best things to happen under gavin was the beating by Donegal. It hardened the mentality. If you could be beat in tight games like Kerry then that would have happened last year I suspect.
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?
For me it was watching them against us and Tyrone. Also thought that Dublin looked a bit vulnerable and were missing some players. After tonight I don't think there's any stopping them
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 21, 2020, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 21, 2020, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 21, 2020, 09:18:05 PM
I also wonder that. They're obviously very good but Tyrone had a chance to beat them. Tyrone wouldn't have the chance to beat Dublin I expect. Donegal post Ulster haven't done it this past few years. To go from not making a breakthrough to beating Dublin would be a massive step.
Tyrone beat Dublin this year
Yes it was only a league match but Dublin are usually pretty relentless all through the year
Tyrone are a good, seasoned team who had reached five of the previous seven All-Ireland semi-finals, and therefore it was hardly a surprise that they gave Donegal a close match, particularly in a knockout Ulster Championship first round match in which both teams had little football under their belts
It was the sort of match in which any sort of win was massive
Attitude is what Donegal would need most of all against Dublin, they have to believe with every fibre of their being that they are going to control the match and win
Meath completely froze tonight, the heads dropped very quickly, I can't remember who it was but there was a Mayo player in House Of Pain who described the feeling when Kerry got the drop on them early in the 2006 final, it was like their legs collectively turned to jelly and their brains turned to mush, they were literally shaking
Kerry used to routinely pummel teams in Croke Park in the 2000s, but when they met their match they could be stood up to and beaten
Dublin can too, but you have to take your chances
You are now a big mental barrier for the Leinster teams.
Yes Tyrone are very good but you always put them away when it counts.
Perversely imo one of the best things to happen under gavin was the beating by Donegal. It hardened the mentality. If you could be beat in tight games like Kerry then that would have happened last year I suspect.
I don't think Donegal would have anything like the mental fear of Dublin that Meath do
It's a bit like New Zealand in rugby, most teams will collapse against them because mentally they're bowled over but there are certain teams which have the mentality to do a number on them when it counts, like France on a couple of memorable occasions
I do think Donegal have the ability, whether they have the tactical know how, the mentality or the legs is another thing, but they're one of counties which have the DNA in them, the tradition, to just not give a f**k about anybody's reputation and turn anybody over - they're a wild card who could do anything
I agree on the fear thing with Donegal. They don't have the baggage of year in year out defeats Leinster teams do plus while 2014 was a while ago there are still a few of those players about that will help.
If Dublin can be beat this year is the year with more knockout games. Super eights played into theirs, and any stronger teams, hands. Donegal to me though would still be a bit short. I think one you mention "legs" might count against them. Dublin maybe too powerful on that front though Donegal improving there.
I honestly always felt Mayo would maybe have beat Dublin at some point during the five in a row if they'd have met at semi final stage or an earlier knockout round.
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?
Win tomorrow it will be three Ulster titles in a row for Donegal something Jim McGuinness or Brian McEniff couldn't do. However Donegal under Declan Bonner have flattered to deceive in the All Ireland series.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 21, 2020, 10:19:48 PM
I agree on the fear thing with Donegal. They don't have the baggage of year in year out defeats Leinster teams do plus while 2014 was a while ago there are still a few of those players about that will help.
If Dublin can be beat this year is the year with more knockout games. Super eights played into theirs, and any stronger teams, hands. Donegal to me though would still be a bit short. I think one you mention "legs" might count against them. Dublin maybe too powerful on that front though Donegal improving there.
I honestly always felt Mayo would maybe have beat Dublin at some point during the five in a row if they'd have met at semi final stage or an earlier knockout round.
We did in 2015 semi and got beat by 8 points if my memory serves me right in the replay
Quote from: Rossfan on November 21, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity
It's up to the rest to catch up. Dublin can only play their best 15. A player needs to condition himself to a level and follow a game plan. Dublin have it down to a tee!
I would say that there are better natural footballers in other counties, it's up to these counties to develop, get the right conditioning and game plan.
After that it's luck! I'm bored of hearing they get this and have sooooo much money, if a county team is committed and good enough they'll compete.
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2020, 10:59:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 21, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity
It's up to the rest to catch up. Dublin can only play their best 15. A player needs to condition himself to a level and follow a game plan. Dublin have it down to a tee!
I would say that there are better natural footballers in other counties, it's up to these counties to develop, get the right conditioning and game plan.
After that it's luck! I'm bored of hearing they get this and have sooooo much money, if a county team is committed and good enough they'll compete.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?
We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.
On Mayo being Mayo.
On Cork being a 3rd division team.
On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.
There is no one else to talk up! :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on November 21, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity
You can cry about how unfair it is or you can grow a pair of balls, remove your head from your hole and do something about it. At the end of the day its 15 vs 15 and they are only human. Meath were beat mentally before a ball was kicked.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 21, 2020, 09:18:05 PM
I also wonder that. They're obviously very good but Tyrone had a chance to beat them. Tyrone wouldn't have the chance to beat Dublin I expect. Donegal post Ulster haven't done it this past few years. To go from not making a breakthrough to beating Dublin would be a massive step.
Tyrone had a chance as the weather conditions made the game more of a lottery than it should have been. Serious talent in all sectors. The new recruits appear to be fairly fearless. Of course Dublin and Croke Pk knockout football will be a serious leveller.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 21, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity
You can cry about how unfair it is or you can grow a pair of balls, remove your head from your hole and do something about it. At the end of the day its 15 vs 15 and they are only human. Meath were beat mentally before a ball was kicked.
Revisit in the cold light of day. Cliché overload.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 21, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity
You can cry about how unfair it is or you can grow a pair of balls, remove your head from your hole and do something about it. At the end of the day its 15 vs 15 and they are only human. Meath were beat mentally before a ball was kicked.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race at best for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race at best for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
It would be churlish to deny that tonight is anything other than a hollow victory for Dublin. The team of the 90s which was not as good as this one but had such titanic battles against Meath will be remembered more fondly that team tonight.
People said it was a shame no fans were in the stadium for the cork Kerry game and they were right but it was a blessing there were no fans in croker for the game tonight.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
Yes, but as least it was a two horse race. And on most occasions, at least somewhat close.
Ach boo hoo. Heartbreak? Seriously? Ye had 22 All Ireland's before 2011, and 158 Leinster's.
Heartbreak is what Mayo had in recent years, going so close for a first Sam since 1951. Heartbreak is Dara O'Se catching a point to prevent Limerick winning their first Munster in 100+ years. Heartbreak is Louth being cheated out of a first Leinster in 60 years.
Quote from: trileacman on November 21, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race at best for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
It would be churlish to deny that tonight is anything other than a hollow victory for Dublin. The team of the 90s which was not as good as this one but had such titanic battles against Meath will be remembered more fondly that team tonight.
People said it was a shame no fans were in the stadium for the cork Kerry game and they were right but it was a blessing there were no fans in croker for the game tonight.
Yeah I'd agree with that.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
"the greatest ever team" is fine if its the same 15- 20 lads. The team that started today had 6 starters from the team that started the 2015 AI final. Id say if you started with the 2011 team you've probably already got close to 15 all time greats. I don't think anyone has issue with the players - they're class, but when the conveyor belt churns out 2-3 all-timers every year how can any team compete?
Quote from: trileacman on November 21, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race at best for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
It would be churlish to deny that tonight is anything other than a hollow victory for Dublin. The team of the 90s which was not as good as this one but had such titanic battles against Meath will be remembered more fondly that team tonight.
People said it was a shame no fans were in the stadium for the cork Kerry game and they were right but it was a blessing there were no fans in croker for the game tonight.
Course it was blessing Croker was empty. You don't want anyone in a ground to watch Cluxton's excellence, Fenton's fielding or Kilkenny's shooting and vision. Shame in Dubs for watching and god forbid enjoy them at their best.
It would be for the best if yourself and Benny don't watch Dublin anymore. Things are tough enough at the moment without upsetting yourselves at Dublin's brilliance.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
Quote from: trileacman on November 21, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race at best for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
It would be churlish to deny that tonight is anything other than a hollow victory for Dublin. The team of the 90s which was not as good as this one but had such titanic battles against Meath will be remembered more fondly that team tonight.
People said it was a shame no fans were in the stadium for the cork Kerry game and they were right but it was a blessing there were no fans in croker for the game tonight.
Course it was blessing Croker was empty. You don't want anyone in a ground to watch Cluxton's excellence, Fenton's fielding or Kilkenny's shooting and vision. Shame in Dubs for watching and god forbid enjoy them at their best.
It would be for the best if yourself and Benny don't watch Dublin anymore. Things are tough enough at the moment without upsetting yourselves at Dublin's brilliance.
Did you really enjoy watching that game tonight? Absolutely no competitive edge to it. I genuinely do wonder when the Dubs will get sick of winning pointless Leinster games by cricket scores. Maybe when they've won 20 in a row.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 11:27:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 21, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity
You can cry about how unfair it is or you can grow a pair of balls, remove your head from your hole and do something about it. At the end of the day its 15 vs 15 and they are only human. Meath were beat mentally before a ball was kicked.
Wrong. Actually there was a fair amount of optimism in the county and surrounding the team going in today. The fact is we are an improving team and yet there's still a massive gulf there, it's not a case of belief or aggression or any of that stuff. We haven't given up. Across the board in this county we've been pulling out all the stops and looking for every advantage that we can get to get back to the top. But it's a much harder climb now than in the 80's and 90's.
This Meath team are hungry and desperate for success. But the Dublin lads gliding past you while you're running at full tilt isn't something to do with your attitude or confidence. They are simply better prepared, more talented and better coached. And this is one of the best coached and physically prepared Meath teams in almost a decade.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
Quote from: trileacman on November 21, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race at best for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
It would be churlish to deny that tonight is anything other than a hollow victory for Dublin. The team of the 90s which was not as good as this one but had such titanic battles against Meath will be remembered more fondly that team tonight.
People said it was a shame no fans were in the stadium for the cork Kerry game and they were right but it was a blessing there were no fans in croker for the game tonight.
Course it was blessing Croker was empty. You don't want anyone in a ground to watch Cluxton's excellence, Fenton's fielding or Kilkenny's shooting and vision. Shame in Dubs for watching and god forbid enjoy them at their best.
It would be for the best if yourself and Benny don't watch Dublin anymore. Things are tough enough at the moment without upsetting yourselves at Dublin's brilliance.
Do you think Mannion will start ahead of P.Small the next day?
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
Quote from: trileacman on November 21, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race at best for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
It would be churlish to deny that tonight is anything other than a hollow victory for Dublin. The team of the 90s which was not as good as this one but had such titanic battles against Meath will be remembered more fondly that team tonight.
People said it was a shame no fans were in the stadium for the cork Kerry game and they were right but it was a blessing there were no fans in croker for the game tonight.
Course it was blessing Croker was empty. You don't want anyone in a ground to watch Cluxton's excellence, Fenton's fielding or Kilkenny's shooting and vision. Shame in Dubs for watching and god forbid enjoy them at their best.
It would be for the best if yourself and Benny don't watch Dublin anymore. Things are tough enough at the moment without upsetting yourselves at Dublin's brilliance.
Dublin are great at what they do. I've said that already. But it's boring watching their matches. I watched the first 15 minutes tonight before I got bored. Left it on in the background until HT, then stopped watching. You can only admire Dublin for so long before you get bored and go play tiddlywinks or do a bit of hoovering.
It's like watching a great snooker player knock in century after century. You admire his genius, but after a while it gets boring. All you want to see is a tight frame, with some great safety play and a man needing snookers.
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
How?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 22, 2020, 01:01:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
How?
How is right? Less money, less resources, less population. But other teams are to blame. Only Dublin competes with other sports so they need all the money.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 22, 2020, 01:33:31 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 22, 2020, 01:01:17 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
How?
How is right? Less money, less resources, less population. But other teams are to blame. Only Dublin competes with other sports so they need all the money.
Lads and Lassies ... Dublin are, without question, the greatest team in the history of the game. GAA are an amateur organisation with semi-pro teams. With population and financial 'doping' of Dublin GAA, here we are, and will be for some time to come.
Quote from: UpMeeyo on November 22, 2020, 12:16:05 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
"the greatest ever team" is fine if its the same 15- 20 lads. The team that started today had 6 starters from the team that started the 2015 AI final. Id say if you started with the 2011 team you've probably already got close to 15 all time greats. I don't think anyone has issue with the players - they're class, but when the conveyor belt churns out 2-3 all-timers every year how can any team compete?
This is the difference between modern Dublin and the great teams of the past.
Those great teams had shelf lives. They were mortal. Their players got old, pissed off into the sunset, and other counties had their turn at winning things. There was a natural cycle.
Now Dublin are immortal. They continually regenerate, and every incarnation just reaches further ahead of the pack. There is no hope that time and old age will come to the rescue of the rest of the country.
This is an unprecedented crisis in the history of the GAA. Belief has evaporated in all but a couple of counties. The All Ireland championship is functionally dead as a competition.
We can't keep our heads in the sand with delusional arguments that it would all be fine if only everyone else just 'tried harder'. It's long past time for a grown up discussion about what happens next. There will be no coming back from this if real solutions are not pursued, and very soon.
there still hopes for donegal.
I'm no Dub but I'm sure there wasn't this much of a meltdown when Kerry cleaned up back in the day.
As a few lads have already mentioned, they have 15 players like every other team. It's up for the others to raise their game.
It's not professional football where they can buy the best players, they just have them at the minute. Their dominance won't last forever just like Kerry's didn't.
I'm not arsed whether they lose or not any time soon. They are an absolute juggernaut of a team that play attractive attacking football that is good to watch, the way the game should be played, against dire defensive shyte this weather.
Whether or not their dominance is good for the championship i'm not getting into, but thank god for the dubs for the way they play and entertain.
I'd expect a good few to crawl off the Donegal bandwagon after that.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 22, 2020, 02:45:00 AM
I'm no Dub but I'm sure there wasn't this much of a meltdown when Kerry cleaned up back in the day.
As a few lads have already mentioned, they have 15 players like every other team. It's up for the others to raise their game.
It's not professional football where they can buy the best players, they just have them at the minute. Their dominance won't last forever just like Kerry's didn't.
I'm not arsed whether they lose or not any time soon. They are an absolute juggernaut of a team that play attractive attacking football that is good to watch, the way the game should be played, against dire defensive shyte this weather.
Whether or not their dominance is good for the championship i'm not getting into, but thank god for the dubs for the way they play and entertain.
I'd expect a good few to crawl off the Donegal bandwagon after that.
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist "
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 22, 2020, 02:45:00 AM
I'm no Dub but I'm sure there wasn't this much of a meltdown when Kerry cleaned up back in the day.
As a few lads have already mentioned, they have 15 players like every other team. It's up for the others to raise their game.
It's not professional football where they can buy the best players, they just have them at the minute. Their dominance won't last forever just like Kerry's didn't.
I'm not arsed whether they lose or not any time soon. They are an absolute juggernaut of a team that play attractive attacking football that is good to watch, the way the game should be played, against dire defensive shyte this weather.
Whether or not their dominance is good for the championship i'm not getting into, but thank god for the dubs for the way they play and entertain.
I'd expect a good few to crawl off the Donegal bandwagon after that.
I'd agree with that but just want to mention that the Dubs can do the defensive shite too. Had 14 or 15 behind the ball plenty last night. But I suppose when you're kicking 3-21 it doesnt really matter.
Westmeath and Laois had the gall to win Leinster titles. The GAA wanted to boost Dublin but they failed to design any metrics to indicate to them when it might be time to stop.
Permanent war against soccer and rugby is not plausible unless the Dublin co board invest a new sport and give us back the All Ireland.
The amateur inter county system turned out to be too weak to support the Dubs unbound.
https://youtu.be/lsO_SlA7E8k
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
Its not Dublins problem but there is a huge knock on effect because of their success. Other counties are not getting their best 15 out on the pitch because they cannot get lads to commit to the 4 or 5 nights a week it takes to just match what Dublin are doing.
When Eamonn Burns (rip) took over down a few years ago, there were reports of up to 30 lads who refused invites to join the county panel. Players are now considering is it worth the effort without any chance of success, others might commit for 2 or 3 years when in the past the same player might have played for ten years.
I think its a huge issue for the gaa and if the likes of me are getting fed up with county football then there are repercussions coming down the line.
Even before covid-19 the attendances especially in leinster where down alarmingly. Its only a matter of time before the viewing figures drop too and the TV companies will respond accordingly when bidding for rights.
I don't know the solution, I wouldn't be in favour of splitting Dublin but the championship which I would have watched religiously every weekend, rarely missed down games etc is becoming farcical.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
Starting with Antrim, with the largest "GAA minded" population in Ulster stepping up from being 9th best team in Ulster.
Then we can make those lazy hoors of Volunteers in Laythrum, Longford etc get off their bums and magic up a superteam from their 3,000 or so registered players to match the team Dublin have got from their 39,000.
Quote from: UpMeeyo on November 22, 2020, 12:16:05 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
"the greatest ever team" is fine if its the same 15- 20 lads. The team that started today had 6 starters from the team that started the 2015 AI final. Id say if you started with the 2011 team you've probably already got close to 15 all time greats. I don't think anyone has issue with the players - they're class, but when the conveyor belt churns out 2-3 all-timers every year how can any team compete?
Which 2-3 all timers has it churned out this year
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
How?
How is right? Less money, less resources, less population. But other teams are to blame. Only Dublin competes with other sports so they need all the money.
They've always had a bigger population, they just got their act together
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Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
"the greatest ever team" is fine if its the same 15- 20 lads. The team that started today had 6 starters from the team that started the 2015 AI final. Id say if you started with the 2011 team you've probably already got close to 15 all time greats. I don't think anyone has issue with the players - they're class, but when the conveyor belt churns out 2-3 all-timers every year how can any team compete?
This is the difference between modern Dublin and the great teams of the past.
Those great teams had shelf lives. They were mortal. Their players got old, pissed off into the sunset, and other counties had their turn at winning things. There was a natural cycle.
Now Dublin are immortal. They continually regenerate, and every incarnation just reaches further ahead of the pack. There is no hope that time and old age will come to the rescue of the rest of the country.
This is an unprecedented crisis in the history of the GAA. Belief has evaporated in all but a couple of counties. The All Ireland championship is functionally dead as a competition.
We can't keep our heads in the sand with delusional arguments that it would all be fine if only everyone else just 'tried harder'. It's long past time for a grown up discussion about what happens next. There will be no coming back from this if real solutions are not pursued, and very soon.
Yes, even that great Kerry team came to a spectacular end. Teams knew if they hung around long enough, they'd get their day in the sun. And so it proved.
Only Kerry, Mayo, and maybe Donegal/Tyrone, are within a hounds gowl of winning Sam. Everyone else has either given up, and will give up. That includes players, fans, sponsors, and CB's pumping money into a pointless exercise.
Super 8 crowds were noticeably down after 1 year. Dressing up the championship in different formats is a waste of time. County football is dead.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2020, 08:53:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
Starting with Antrim, with the largest "GAA minded" population in Ulster stepping up from being 9th best team in Ulster.
Then we can make those lazy hoors of Volunteers in Laythrum, Longford etc get off their bums and magic up a superteam from their 3,000 or so registered players to match the team Dublin have got from their 39,000.
You might as well start with your own County. You bummed them up this year and they failed miserably.... if all your best players committed and trained and conditioned themselves and you had a decent manager with a plan, would you best Dublin, or at the very least, compete?
Quote from: Gael85 on November 22, 2020, 12:40:30 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
Quote from: trileacman on November 21, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 21, 2020, 11:08:32 PM
Are Dublin fans not bored waltzing through Leinster so easily?
Yes it's probably great your team is winning, but no matches are in any way competitive. No close games, no hard hitting, no end to end, edge of your seat stuff. You need games to get the excitement going, get the blood pumping
The All Ireland is the same way bar the odd close battle every 3/4 years.
Yes, Dublin are great at what they do, but I am so bored watching any of their matches. There's no point to it anymore.
The munster championship has been a 2 horse race at best for decades.
Are the likes of Leitrim, Waterford, Limerick, Antrim sick of the provincial championships?
Dubs have had their share of heartbreak and humiliations in the not so recent past. The majority of Dublin fans just enjoy getting the chance to watch the greatest ever team play. Some of these players will go down as all time greats.
It would be churlish to deny that tonight is anything other than a hollow victory for Dublin. The team of the 90s which was not as good as this one but had such titanic battles against Meath will be remembered more fondly that team tonight.
People said it was a shame no fans were in the stadium for the cork Kerry game and they were right but it was a blessing there were no fans in croker for the game tonight.
Course it was blessing Croker was empty. You don't want anyone in a ground to watch Cluxton's excellence, Fenton's fielding or Kilkenny's shooting and vision. Shame in Dubs for watching and god forbid enjoy them at their best.
It would be for the best if yourself and Benny don't watch Dublin anymore. Things are tough enough at the moment without upsetting yourselves at Dublin's brilliance.
Do you think Mannion will start ahead of P.Small the next day?
I think he sticks with Small. He started all the games since the lockdown and he likes having Mannion as option off the bench (especially with Costello likely suspended)
Cooper went over on the same ankle he injured against Meath in the 1st game after lockdown just before half time and didn't appear for the 2nd half. That would be the biggest worry for Dublin. If he's out Howard comes in at midfield and Mccarthy goes back into defence.
Quote from: ardtole on November 22, 2020, 07:50:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
Its not Dublins problem but there is a huge knock on effect because of their success. Other counties are not getting their best 15 out on the pitch because they cannot get lads to commit to the 4 or 5 nights a week it takes to just match what Dublin are doing.
When Eamonn Burns (rip) took over down a few years ago, there were reports of up to 30 lads who refused invites to join the county panel. Players are now considering is it worth the effort without any chance of success, others might commit for 2 or 3 years when in the past the same player might have played for ten years.
I think its a huge issue for the gaa and if the likes of me are getting fed up with county football then there are repercussions coming down the line.
Even before covid-19 the attendances especially in leinster where down alarmingly. Its only a matter of time before the viewing figures drop too and the TV companies will respond accordingly when bidding for rights.
I don't know the solution, I wouldn't be in favour of splitting Dublin but the championship which I would have watched religiously every weekend, rarely missed down games etc is becoming farcical.
Down might want to focus on just winning an Ulster title before they start worrying about taking on the dubs. How exactly are the dubs to blame for them blowing that lead against Cavan last week?
1994 was the last time they won an Ulster title. Dublin never even played Down in the championship under Jim Gavin
This is the GAA's biggest challenge.
Dublin is a monster that can either stimulate positive change or destroy the GAA.
It's interesting that Dublin don't dominate at underage the same way , but their selection process and their preparation/organisation around their senior team means that they optimise their considerable resources. Sadly surrounding counties have not responded.
This massive Dublin advantage in terms of resources is another example of inequality in the GAA.
It needs to be addressed , before it becomes even more of a farce, any solutions out there?
Quote from: 6th sam on November 22, 2020, 09:30:52 AM
This is the GAA's biggest challenge.
Dublin is a monster that can either stimulate positive change or destroy the GAA.
It's interesting that Dublin don't dominate at underage the same way , but their selection process and their preparation/organisation around their senior team means that they optimise their considerable resources. Sadly surrounding counties have not responded.
This massive Dublin advantage in terms of resources is another example of inequality in the GAA.
It needs to be addressed , before it becomes even more of a farce, any solutions out there?
Dublin won 4 all Ireland under 21s last decade so they kind of dominated at the most important underage grade. It's not five in a row but they don't have to develop a new squad every year at senior level like they do at under 21.
Solutions; Dublin and kerry won intercounty football and look like they will go on winning it so what's the point of playing it anymore. Get rid of Intercounty in favour of 10-12 regions and play an AFL style league format. I'd go the whole hog, professionalism, a draft system.
The intercounty system just isn't fun or fresh anymore and there's no evidence that's going to change or anything new is going to happen.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 09:18:19 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 22, 2020, 07:50:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
Its not Dublins problem but there is a huge knock on effect because of their success. Other counties are not getting their best 15 out on the pitch because they cannot get lads to commit to the 4 or 5 nights a week it takes to just match what Dublin are doing.
When Eamonn Burns (rip) took over down a few years ago, there were reports of up to 30 lads who refused invites to join the county panel. Players are now considering is it worth the effort without any chance of success, others might commit for 2 or 3 years when in the past the same player might have played for ten years.
I think its a huge issue for the gaa and if the likes of me are getting fed up with county football then there are repercussions coming down the line.
Even before covid-19 the attendances especially in leinster where down alarmingly. Its only a matter of time before the viewing figures drop too and the TV companies will respond accordingly when bidding for rights.
I don't know the solution, I wouldn't be in favour of splitting Dublin but the championship which I would have watched religiously every weekend, rarely missed down games etc is becoming farcical.
Down might want to focus on just winning an Ulster title before they start worrying about taking on the dubs. How exactly are the dubs to blame for them blowing that lead against Cavan last week?
1994 was the last time they won an Ulster title. Dublin never even played Down in the championship under Jim Gavin
After a bit of GAA success, a Dublin gaa follower deigns to give advice in a dismissive condescending manner to the aristocrats of GAA, on focus, ambition and success.
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 22, 2020, 09:18:19 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 22, 2020, 07:50:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
Its not Dublins problem but there is a huge knock on effect because of their success. Other counties are not getting their best 15 out on the pitch because they cannot get lads to commit to the 4 or 5 nights a week it takes to just match what Dublin are doing.
When Eamonn Burns (rip) took over down a few years ago, there were reports of up to 30 lads who refused invites to join the county panel. Players are now considering is it worth the effort without any chance of success, others might commit for 2 or 3 years when in the past the same player might have played for ten years.
I think its a huge issue for the gaa and if the likes of me are getting fed up with county football then there are repercussions coming down the line.
Even before covid-19 the attendances especially in leinster where down alarmingly. Its only a matter of time before the viewing figures drop too and the TV companies will respond accordingly when bidding for rights.
I don't know the solution, I wouldn't be in favour of splitting Dublin but the championship which I would have watched religiously every weekend, rarely missed down games etc is becoming farcical.
Down might want to focus on just winning an Ulster title before they start worrying about taking on the dubs. How exactly are the dubs to blame for them blowing that lead against Cavan last week?
1994 was the last time they won an Ulster title. Dublin never even played Down in the championship under Jim Gavin
After a bit of GAA success, a Dublin gaa follower deigns to give advice in a dismissive condescending manner to the aristocrats of GAA, on focus, ambition and success.
Well if Down followers are going to blame the dubs for players refusing to play for the county its no wonder they have problems. Anything else GAA related we can blame the dubs for?
It's lucky there aren't many kerry posters on here otherwise they'd be saying it was the dubs fault they played so defensive against Cork.
Where would this Meath team Rank in Ireland? Would they be in the top 16? The top 10?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2020, 08:53:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.
Starting with Antrim, with the largest "GAA minded" population in Ulster stepping up from being 9th best team in Ulster.
Then we can make those lazy hoors of Volunteers in Laythrum, Longford etc get off their bums and magic up a superteam from their 3,000 or so registered players to match the team Dublin have got from their 39,000.
You might as well start with your own County. You bummed them up this year and they failed miserably.... if all your best players committed and trained and conditioned themselves and you had a decent manager with a plan, would you best Dublin, or at the very least, compete?
We feel we have the decent manager and have improved S&C and all that. We now have all the best players on board.
We have probably our 3rd or 4th best ever set of players.
Were about 15 points or more off Dublin and D2 titkes and Connachts when the Qualifier system is in vogue is about as good as it will be.
Only for 11% of the Population of the parts of Roscommon under Ros CB control are registered GAA players we'd likely spend most of our time in D4 with an odd moral victory v Galway or Mayowestros to keep us going.
Quote from: caprea on November 22, 2020, 09:46:24 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 22, 2020, 09:30:52 AM
This is the GAA's biggest challenge.
Dublin is a monster that can either stimulate positive change or destroy the GAA.
It's interesting that Dublin don't dominate at underage the same way , but their selection process and their preparation/organisation around their senior team means that they optimise their considerable resources. Sadly surrounding counties have not responded.
This massive Dublin advantage in terms of resources is another example of inequality in the GAA.
It needs to be addressed , before it becomes even more of a farce, any solutions out there?
Dublin won 4 all Ireland under 21s last decade so they kind of dominated at the most important underage grade. It's not five in a row but they don't have to develop a new squad every year at senior level like they do at under 21.
Solutions; Dublin and kerry won intercounty football and look like they will go on winning it so what's the point of playing it anymore. Get rid of Intercounty in favour of 10-12 regions and play an AFL style league format. I'd go the whole hog, professionalism, a draft system.
The intercounty system just isn't fun or fresh anymore and there's no evidence that's going to change or anything new is going to happen.
Agree with this. I don't know of any other sport where your level of progression is decided by your birthplace. A fundamentally flawed concept
Quote from: 6th sam on November 22, 2020, 09:30:52 AM
This is the GAA's biggest challenge.
Dublin is a monster that can either stimulate positive change or destroy the GAA.
It's interesting that Dublin don't dominate at underage the same way , but their selection process and their preparation/organisation around their senior team means that they optimise their considerable resources. Sadly surrounding counties have not responded.
This massive Dublin advantage in terms of resources is another example of inequality in the GAA.
It needs to be addressed , before it becomes even more of a farce, any solutions out there?
There is no money in underage success.
Dublin's sponsors and merchandisers generate more than any other county because of senior success.
Dublin are 15 years into this process.
Even if Meath or Roscommon really tried to catch up they never would. It's a mathematical formula with no solution.
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Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up
Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity
You can cry about how unfair it is or you can grow a pair of balls, remove your head from your hole and do something about it. At the end of the day its 15 vs 15 and they are only human. Meath were beat mentally before a ball was kicked.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Qu'ils mangent du coddle
would Dublin beat an all ulster team.
Choices
Split Dublin into the 4 Council areas
Inter Co teams become Semi (or fully) Professional
Regional teams to compete with the 1.3m juggernaut.
what do you mean by regional teams do does that mean splitting all counties up aswell.
If you split Dublin up would that mean there club championships are split aswell.
what about hurling dublin dont dominate hurling would they be split too.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 22, 2020, 11:33:37 AM
what do you mean by regional teams do does that mean splitting all counties up aswell.
Here's a rough breakdown of possible amalgamations, the counties, population and home venue.
Kildare Meath Westmeath 505. Pairc tailteann
Mayo Galway. 389. Salt hill
Cork Kerry. 689.5. Pairc hi caoimh
Clare limerick Tipperary Waterford 590. Thurles
Wexford Kilkenny Laois Carlow Wicklow 532.5. Nowlan
Offaly longford roscommon Leitrim cavan 291. Hyde
Dublin North. Croke
Dublin South no stadium
Louth Armagh Tyrone Monaghan 543. Clones
Antrim Derry down 1.4. Casement
Donegal Sligo Fermanagh 285 Enniskillen
f**king stupid conversations.
Splitting a county. Daft
Regional teams, we have that and it lost huge interest
Get rid of intercounty Championships? WTF AFL type?
Dry your eyes, put you big boy pants on and work through it, whether you like it or not these things run their course, Dublin's has been a longer run than most, but it'll stop or stutter, but the foundation's are in Dublin's grassroots, that being the biggest population it will have the most to pick from. But you can only put 15 on the pitch.
But changing the the rules because someone is dominating is childish
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 11:53:31 AM
Dry your eyes, put you big boy pants on and work through it
Eh no, most of us will just follow other sports or concentrate on the club game.
Why bother trying to resuscitate a dead championship? Just let it die.
Defeatist attitude.. couldn't get on the school team so left to play checkers...
I suppose an uncomfortable question would be - are the dubs seconds the 2nd strongest team in Ireland?
If that's even debatable then this problem isn't generational and isn't going to go away itself.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:08:37 PM
Defeatist attitude.. couldn't get on the school team so left to play checkers...
Yep, defeatist i agree. It's probably got something to do with all the defeats. Watching Elite Sport is about excitement, enjoyment and entertainment. The Leinster championship won't provide that anymore. Move on with a better plan.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 22, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
I suppose an uncomfortable question would be - are the dubs seconds the 2nd strongest team in Ireland?
If that's even debatable then this problem isn't generational and isn't going to go away itself.
Dublin need their best players available to them to beat the better teams. Judging Dublin's performance for the year on that game v Meath is silly. As is the poor form of the other teams in Leinster yes Dublin's seconds would be very competitive
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 22, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
I suppose an uncomfortable question would be - are the dubs seconds the 2nd strongest team in Ireland?
If that's even debatable then this problem isn't generational and isn't going to go away itself.
What would dublins seconds 15 be?
Quote from: caprea on November 22, 2020, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 12:08:37 PM
Defeatist attitude.. couldn't get on the school team so left to play checkers...
Yep, defeatist i agree. It's probably got something to do with all the defeats. Watching Elite Sport is about excitement, enjoyment and entertainment. The Leinster championship won't provide that anymore. Move on with a better plan.
It's too late. The GAA would have to bankroll at least a dozen counties to make it in any way competitive (for the 2040 championship). That's not going to happen. The GAA has eaten itself.
The club game is the future. In a way that's not a bad thing.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 22, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
I suppose an uncomfortable question would be - are the dubs seconds the 2nd strongest team in Ireland?
If that's even debatable then this problem isn't generational and isn't going to go away itself.
Certainly the second best team in Leinster.
We'll be sat here in ten years after Dublin's 20th Leinster on the trot, and after they've won nine out of ten All Irelands in the 2020s, still hearing from the "they can only put 15 on the field/its up to other counties to rise up to meet them" crowd that everything is just fine and we're a bunch of whining idiots.
You can't cure a population deficit with a bankroll.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2020, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?
We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.
On Mayo being Mayo.
On Cork being a 3rd division team.
On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.
There is no one else to talk up! :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesn't matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.
And if you look closely you'll see that no one is actually saying Donegal would beat Dublin.
MIGHT get within five or six points, maybe.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
Where would this Meath team Rank in Ireland? Would they be in the top 16? The top 10?
Top 10. Played in Div 1 this year and reached the last 8 of the championship last year.
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2020, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?
We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.
On Mayo being Mayo.
On Cork being a 3rd division team.
On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.
There is no one else to talk up! :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesn't matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.
Well, have a look at the last 5 All ireland finals, were the 2nd best teams that far behind in the final game?
Quote from: Eire90 on November 22, 2020, 11:21:35 AM
would Dublin beat an all ulster team.
Would this Dublin team easily beat the Tyrone team with Canavan, Stephen O'Neill, Dooher, McGuigan, Mulligan? That team had a great defence too.
I'm not putting down Tyrone because over the last 5-6 years they've been in and around the best team in Ulster, but they would hardly get within 5 or 6 points of that other Tyrone team.
Leinster is boring. There's nobody putting it up to us. Cakewalk. Part of it is certainly because this is the best Dublin team ever. But also part of it is because the current Meath and Kildare teams are nowhere near the best ever Meath and Kildare teams. Nowhere near.
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
But it's not just in recent years that the rest of Leinster has been cack. We were waltzing through Leinster under Pillar and Gilroy and then getting whipped when we faced our first real challenge by the likes of Tyrone and Kerry.
It's been a freak that Dublin won the 5 in a row. We've certainly haven't been the best team in every game. The double OG game was absolutely freak luck that saved us. Mayo weren't slightly the better team, they were comfortably the better team on the day. They also most probably had us beaten the year Donie Vaughan decided to even up the numbers by doing something rather silly.
Last year Kerry were the better team in the final. David Moran must still be kicking himself that after being the best player on the pitch he made an horrendous mistake at the end that helped Dublin sneak the draw. An easy ball to Tommy Walsh in acres of space with only Cluxton near him. Instead he dawdled and allowed 2 tacklers to dispossess him. And the rest is history.
I doubt the whiners would be as loud if we'd won 2 or 3 of the last 5. Dublin 3 Mayo 1 Kerry 1 (or even Dublin 2 Mayo 2 Kerry 1!) would be a fairer reflection of the the last 5 years than the 5-0-0 scorecard that resulted.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 22, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
I suppose an uncomfortable question would be - are the dubs seconds the 2nd strongest team in Ireland?
If that's even debatable then this problem isn't generational and isn't going to go away itself.
People asked the same thing about Kilkenny in hurling 12 or 13 years ago
The answer to that was no, and they weren't even close to being so
The same is true of Dublin as well
you still get plenty of die hards paying to go to games no matter what.
the supers 8s are another disgrace.
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2020, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?
We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.
On Mayo being Mayo.
On Cork being a 3rd division team.
On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.
There is no one else to talk up! :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesn't matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.
Well, have a look at the last 5 All ireland finals, were the 2nd best teams that far behind in the final game?
Tyrone were tbh and that is Donegal's level.
I'm looking at a Donegal team who had a middling league, a very narrow win in a game of a poor standard against Tyrone (albeit in poor conditions) and a standard win against a very limited Armagh. I haven't seen anything from them to give me hope they can challenge the Dubs and I'm wondering what others have seen. That said, I'd love them to.
Dublin have only won one of the last four National Leagues
When Dublin were winning National Leagues every year this was cited as an indicator of how far ahead they were
Now they're not winning National Leagues every year maybe that will also be cited as evidence of how far ahead they are
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 01:49:55 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 21, 2020, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 21, 2020, 09:15:41 PM
Donegal are fairly being talked up. What are we basing this on?
We are basing it on Kerry being out of the championship.
On Mayo being Mayo.
On Cork being a 3rd division team.
On Tipp and Cavan being still in the championship by default.
There is no one else to talk up! :-\
I agree with that. Talk up the 2nd best team still left in the championship to make it sound more exciting. It doesn't matter if they are a fair bit behind Dublin.
Well, have a look at the last 5 All ireland finals, were the 2nd best teams that far behind in the final game?
Tyrone were tbh and that is Donegal's level.
I'm looking at a Donegal team who had a middling league, a very narrow win in a game of a poor standard against Tyrone (albeit in poor conditions) and a standard win against a very limited Armagh. I haven't seen anything from them to give me hope they can challenge the Dubs and I'm wondering what others have seen. That said, I'd love them to.
I think there's still a bit of improvement left in Donegal's game, possibly a McBrearty return? As Insp Clouseau was prone to say, I wouldn't rule them in or rule them out just yet, of giving the Dubs a good game. What's preferable if any, to meet Dublin this year in the semi or the final? My choice would be the semi.
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Quote from: Eire90 on November 22, 2020, 11:21:35 AM
would Dublin beat an all ulster team.
Would this Dublin team easily beat the Tyrone team with Canavan, Stephen O'Neill, Dooher, McGuigan, Mulligan? That team had a great defence too.
I'm not putting down Tyrone because over the last 5-6 years they've been in and around the best team in Ulster, but they would hardly get within 5 or 6 points of that other Tyrone team.
Leinster is boring. There's nobody putting it up to us. Cakewalk. Part of it is certainly because this is the best Dublin team ever. But also part of it is because the current Meath and Kildare teams are nowhere near the best ever Meath and Kildare teams. Nowhere near.
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
But it's not just in recent years that the rest of Leinster has been cack. We were waltzing through Leinster under Pillar and Gilroy and then getting whipped when we faced our first real challenge by the likes of Tyrone and Kerry.
It's been a freak that Dublin won the 5 in a row. We've certainly haven't been the best team in every game. The double OG game was absolutely freak luck that saved us. Mayo weren't slightly the better team, they were comfortably the better team on the day. They also most probably had us beaten the year Donie Vaughan decided to even up the numbers by doing something rather silly.
Last year Kerry were the better team in the final. David Moran must still be kicking himself that after being the best player on the pitch he made an horrendous mistake at the end that helped Dublin sneak the draw. An easy ball to Tommy Walsh in acres of space with only Cluxton near him. Instead he dawdled and allowed 2 tacklers to dispossess him. And the rest is history.
I doubt the whiners would be as loud if we'd won 2 or 3 of the last 5. Dublin 3 Mayo 1 Kerry 1 (or even Dublin 2 Mayo 2 Kerry 1!) would be a fairer reflection of the the last 5 years than the 5-0-0 scorecard that resulted.
Full house!!
'Meath and Kildare should just try harder.'
'Sure, Mayo nearly beat us that one time.'
'Best ever Dublin 'team'. Once in a lifetime players - all 25 or 30 of them over the last decade.'
I see the line that thing wouldn't be as smooth once Gavin left has been dropped. At least that's something.
It never ceases to amaze just how oblivious Dubs are to the feelings of hopelessness throughout the country. It's so obvious to the rest of us that a well resourced, well organised Dublin is not compatible with a competitive intercounty scene. We can have one or we can have the other, but never both.
It would be stupid to suggest doing anything to jeopardise the progress the GAA has made in Dublin, so the resourcing and organisation will continue. But we need something seismic to rescue the intercounty scene. Splits or amalgamations seem the magnitude of action required. It's going to be painful one way or the other.
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Just wondering why the Meath team did not lay a wreath at the Bloody Sunday Memorial yesterday?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:54:47 PM
Just wondering why the Meath team did not lay a wreath at the Bloody Sunday Memorial yesterday?
Dublin played in the game in 1920 and who cares anyway.
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Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Quote from: caprea on November 22, 2020, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:54:47 PM
Just wondering why the Meath team did not lay a wreath at the Bloody Sunday Memorial yesterday?
Dublin played in the game in 1920 and who cares anyway.
Fair enough, but are we not all part of the GAA family? I doubt the Meath players would have wanted to hang around anyway.
Quote from: caprea on November 22, 2020, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:54:47 PM
Just wondering why the Meath team did not lay a wreath at the Bloody Sunday Memorial yesterday?
Dublin played in the game in 1920 and who cares anyway.
They kept theirs and laid it at the gates of Pairc Tailteann this morning. RIP Meath football. As a Laois man, I know the feeling too well. Even when Dublin weren't dominating, we had this once in a lifetime possibility. Some counties fare even worse. The All Ireland Championship is flawed in its construction. I honestly don't see the point of even entering it. Only the Gods could gift Laois and many other counties a one off group of players capable of making of challenge. This thing was broken long before Dublin started dominating
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
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Quote from: shark on November 22, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Maybe Jim McGuiness needs to be asked to go into Leitrim. Or Laois, Carlow, Antrim, etc etc. There is no jam for these counties. Never was and never will be
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
More patronising shite. Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway just don't try hard enough. If only they wanted it as much as the Dubs! f**k me.
As for the other stuff - Harte often had his struggles to get players to commit to his own county.
Wexford hurlers are irrelevant. There is no monster in hurling.
O'Dwyer was in Kildare when the Dubs were mortal.
McGuinness got in with Donegal just in time. Before the machine was cranked to full power.
This post is exactly the type of subterfuge you usually go to town on in other topics.
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would Dublin beat an all ulster team.
Would this Dublin team easily beat the Tyrone team with Canavan, Stephen O'Neill, Dooher, McGuigan, Mulligan? That team had a great defence too.
I'm not putting down Tyrone because over the last 5-6 years they've been in and around the best team in Ulster, but they would hardly get within 5 or 6 points of that other Tyrone team.
Leinster is boring. There's nobody putting it up to us. Cakewalk. Part of it is certainly because this is the best Dublin team ever. But also part of it is because the current Meath and Kildare teams are nowhere near the best ever Meath and Kildare teams. Nowhere near.
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
But it's not just in recent years that the rest of Leinster has been cack. We were waltzing through Leinster under Pillar and Gilroy and then getting whipped when we faced our first real challenge by the likes of Tyrone and Kerry.
It's been a freak that Dublin won the 5 in a row. We've certainly haven't been the best team in every game. The double OG game was absolutely freak luck that saved us. Mayo weren't slightly the better team, they were comfortably the better team on the day. They also most probably had us beaten the year Donie Vaughan decided to even up the numbers by doing something rather silly.
Last year Kerry were the better team in the final. David Moran must still be kicking himself that after being the best player on the pitch he made an horrendous mistake at the end that helped Dublin sneak the draw. An easy ball to Tommy Walsh in acres of space with only Cluxton near him. Instead he dawdled and allowed 2 tacklers to dispossess him. And the rest is history.
I doubt the whiners would be as loud if we'd won 2 or 3 of the last 5. Dublin 3 Mayo 1 Kerry 1 (or even Dublin 2 Mayo 2 Kerry 1!) would be a fairer reflection of the the last 5 years than the 5-0-0 scorecard that resulted.
Full house!!
'Meath and Kildare should just try harder.'
'Sure, Mayo nearly beat us that one time.'
'Best ever Dublin 'team'. Once in a lifetime players - all 25 or 30 of them over the last decade.'
Do you know what quotation marks mean?
Or just making up lies and putting them in there makes your post meaningful!
You clearly don't want much football if you can only remember one close game Dublin played against Mayo.
Does it matter if it's a direct quote or a summation or a paraphrase? The argument is the same.
Answer this: why do Dubs get so energised talking up their risk of defeat? Why is this especially prevalent following one of their routine 20+ point victories?
It's almost as if there's some concerted effort to distract from the f**king massive elephant in the room.
To revel in it too much would let the cat out of the bag. Never admit just how good you are. Just how much ahead of the field you are. How pointless the chase has become. I suppose that might sucker enough into thinking the whole thing is still a real competition.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 22, 2020, 04:54:00 PM
Does it matter if it's a direct quote or a summation or a paraphrase? The argument is the same.
Yep, and either way you're lying about what I said. Doesn't make for great discussion. You should definitely 'try harder'.
No effort to address the substance of the issue. Just some grammatical pedantry. I suppose some arguments just can't be sustained.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1122/1179771-orourke-meath-humiliation-bad-reflection-on-leinster/
"But it was a humiliation, and of course in the wider sphere of things it's a really bad reflection on Leinster football.
"I thought we were making progress. I thought we'd get closer to Dublin.
"I suppose the warning signals were there against Kildare in that we only scored nine points. Most good teams are scoring 16 or 18 points in championship football, even in the winter conditions that we have."
As the Dubs marched on in pursuit of their sixth All-Ireland SFC title in a row, Meath and the rest of the province were left to reflect on where they go to now.
"It doesn't look like Meath are progressing and it also shows that if you take Dublin out of Leinster you have a competitive championship," added O'Rourke.
"Whether Meath and the rest have regressed and Dublin have progressed, that's an argument you could have as well. Dublin are probably looking better at this stage than they have for many years, but it shows also that I think in general everybody else seems to be playing for the silver medal at this stage."
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Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Why did they ever?
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Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: shark on November 22, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
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Quote from: seafoid on November 22, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: shark on November 22, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
Traffic cone gaels?
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
The Dubs post Heffo struggled .
Laois and Wesmeath were the last straw.
The Frankenstein project followed.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
More patronising shite. Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway just don't try hard enough. If only they wanted it as much as the Dubs! f**k me.
As for the other stuff - Harte often had his struggles to get players to commit to his own county.
Wexford hurlers are irrelevant. There is no monster in hurling.
O'Dwyer was in Kildare when the Dubs were mortal.
McGuinness got in with Donegal just in time. Before the machine was cranked to full power.
This post is exactly the type of subterfuge you usually go to town on in other topics.
But there was a monster in hurling - all the same things were said about them that has been said about Dublin - and other counties decided to take them down - they succeeded
Dublin were already a machine in 2014 - they were beaten
Only in 2018 did Dublin get a relatively clear run to the All-Ireland
In short, yes it is true - Meath, Down, Derry, Armagh, Cork etc. are not trying hard enough
Not trying hard enough means neglect of underage structures, neglect in terms of thinking, neglect in terms of persuasion of players, neglect in terms of attracting the business community, neglect in terms of administration, neglect of coaching
Sport is brutal - what Ray Boyne said last year is true - Dublin are one of a group of counties which do try harder - but also - nobody in Dublin doesn't acknowledge they have natural advantages - of course they do
Dublin have natural advantages over Longford in the same way Germany have a natural advantage over Ireland in soccer - representative sport is inherently unfair
Since I wrote that post, Tipperary have won the Munster championship and Cavan have won Ulster
Neither was expected
Dublin are 1/5 now to win, they weren't even close to that price at start of season!!
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Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
More patronising shite. Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway just don't try hard enough. If only they wanted it as much as the Dubs! f**k me.
As for the other stuff - Harte often had his struggles to get players to commit to his own county.
Wexford hurlers are irrelevant. There is no monster in hurling.
O'Dwyer was in Kildare when the Dubs were mortal.
McGuinness got in with Donegal just in time. Before the machine was cranked to full power.
This post is exactly the type of subterfuge you usually go to town on in other topics.
But there was a monster in hurling - all the same things were said about them that has been said about Dublin - and other counties decided to take them down - they succeeded
Dublin were already a machine in 2014 - they were beaten
Only in 2018 did Dublin get a relatively clear run to the All-Ireland
In short, yes it is true - Meath, Down, Derry, Armagh, Cork etc. are not trying hard enough
Not trying hard enough means neglect of underage structures, neglect in terms of thinking, neglect in terms of persuasion of players, neglect in terms of attracting the business community, neglect in terms of administration, neglect of coaching
Sport is brutal - what Ray Boyne said last year is true - Dublin are one of a group of counties which do try harder - but also - nobody in Dublin doesn't acknowledge they have natural advantages - of course they do
Dublin have natural advantages over Longford in the same way Germany have a natural advantage over Ireland in soccer - representative sport is inherently unfair
Since I wrote that post, Tipperary have won the Munster championship and Cavan have won Ulster
Neither was expected
Dublin try harder, God give me f**king strength. Bullshit of the highest order.
Dublin 1/100 to beat Cavan. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know, I don't know what to tell ya..
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Dublin 1/100 to beat Cavan. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know, I don't know what to tell ya..
In fairness Dublin have a great record at home in the Championship. You'd expect them to really up their game now that history beckons.
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Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
More patronising shite. Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway just don't try hard enough. If only they wanted it as much as the Dubs! f**k me.
As for the other stuff - Harte often had his struggles to get players to commit to his own county.
Wexford hurlers are irrelevant. There is no monster in hurling.
O'Dwyer was in Kildare when the Dubs were mortal.
McGuinness got in with Donegal just in time. Before the machine was cranked to full power.
This post is exactly the type of subterfuge you usually go to town on in other topics.
But there was a monster in hurling - all the same things were said about them that has been said about Dublin - and other counties decided to take them down - they succeeded
Dublin were already a machine in 2014 - they were beaten
Only in 2018 did Dublin get a relatively clear run to the All-Ireland
In short, yes it is true - Meath, Down, Derry, Armagh, Cork etc. are not trying hard enough
Not trying hard enough means neglect of underage structures, neglect in terms of thinking, neglect in terms of persuasion of players, neglect in terms of attracting the business community, neglect in terms of administration, neglect of coaching
Sport is brutal - what Ray Boyne said last year is true - Dublin are one of a group of counties which do try harder - but also - nobody in Dublin doesn't acknowledge they have natural advantages - of course they do
Dublin have natural advantages over Longford in the same way Germany have a natural advantage over Ireland in soccer - representative sport is inherently unfair
Since I wrote that post, Tipperary have won the Munster championship and Cavan have won Ulster
Neither was expected
Dublin try harder, God give me f**king strength. Bullshit of the highest order.
As a community, yes. There are huge areas of the country where gaelic games are third and sixth in terms of participation and the opposition have the facilities they don't in your county. We are generally not number 1 sport in a given area so have an additional set of problems your county doesn't have.
So getting kids out is harder and keeping them is harder. Getting punters to matches is harder as there is competition your county doesn't have.
Getting grants and funding is harder against bigger clubs in other sports.
39,000 registered players most of them football.
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Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
More patronising shite. Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway just don't try hard enough. If only they wanted it as much as the Dubs! f**k me.
As for the other stuff - Harte often had his struggles to get players to commit to his own county.
Wexford hurlers are irrelevant. There is no monster in hurling.
O'Dwyer was in Kildare when the Dubs were mortal.
McGuinness got in with Donegal just in time. Before the machine was cranked to full power.
This post is exactly the type of subterfuge you usually go to town on in other topics.
But there was a monster in hurling - all the same things were said about them that has been said about Dublin - and other counties decided to take them down - they succeeded
Dublin were already a machine in 2014 - they were beaten
Only in 2018 did Dublin get a relatively clear run to the All-Ireland
In short, yes it is true - Meath, Down, Derry, Armagh, Cork etc. are not trying hard enough
Not trying hard enough means neglect of underage structures, neglect in terms of thinking, neglect in terms of persuasion of players, neglect in terms of attracting the business community, neglect in terms of administration, neglect of coaching
Sport is brutal - what Ray Boyne said last year is true - Dublin are one of a group of counties which do try harder - but also - nobody in Dublin doesn't acknowledge they have natural advantages - of course they do
Dublin have natural advantages over Longford in the same way Germany have a natural advantage over Ireland in soccer - representative sport is inherently unfair
Since I wrote that post, Tipperary have won the Munster championship and Cavan have won Ulster
Neither was expected
Dublin try harder, God give me f**king strength. Bullshit of the highest order.
As a community, yes. There are huge areas of the country where gaelic games are third and sixth in terms of participation and the opposition have the facilities they don't in your county. We are generally not number 1 sport in a given area so have an additional set of problems your county doesn't have.
So getting kids out is harder and keeping them is harder. Getting punters to matches is harder as there is competition your county doesn't have.
Getting grants and funding is harder against bigger clubs in other sports.
Horseshit
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 22, 2020, 09:30:36 PM
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Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 22, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: shark on November 22, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
More patronising shite. Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway just don't try hard enough. If only they wanted it as much as the Dubs! f**k me.
As for the other stuff - Harte often had his struggles to get players to commit to his own county.
Wexford hurlers are irrelevant. There is no monster in hurling.
O'Dwyer was in Kildare when the Dubs were mortal.
McGuinness got in with Donegal just in time. Before the machine was cranked to full power.
This post is exactly the type of subterfuge you usually go to town on in other topics.
But there was a monster in hurling - all the same things were said about them that has been said about Dublin - and other counties decided to take them down - they succeeded
Dublin were already a machine in 2014 - they were beaten
Only in 2018 did Dublin get a relatively clear run to the All-Ireland
In short, yes it is true - Meath, Down, Derry, Armagh, Cork etc. are not trying hard enough
Not trying hard enough means neglect of underage structures, neglect in terms of thinking, neglect in terms of persuasion of players, neglect in terms of attracting the business community, neglect in terms of administration, neglect of coaching
Sport is brutal - what Ray Boyne said last year is true - Dublin are one of a group of counties which do try harder - but also - nobody in Dublin doesn't acknowledge they have natural advantages - of course they do
Dublin have natural advantages over Longford in the same way Germany have a natural advantage over Ireland in soccer - representative sport is inherently unfair
Since I wrote that post, Tipperary have won the Munster championship and Cavan have won Ulster
Neither was expected
Dublin try harder, God give me f**king strength. Bullshit of the highest order.
As a community, yes. There are huge areas of the country where gaelic games are third and sixth in terms of participation and the opposition have the facilities they don't in your county. We are generally not number 1 sport in a given area so have an additional set of problems your county doesn't have.
So getting kids out is harder and keeping them is harder. Getting punters to matches is harder as there is competition your county doesn't have.
Getting grants and funding is harder against bigger clubs in other sports.
Horseshit
what is?
"Is the Leinster championship in trouble?" asked Des. Jesus Christ.
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Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
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Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
Traffic cone gaels?
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
The Dubs post Heffo struggled .
Laois and Wesmeath were the last straw.
The Frankenstein project followed.
So Dublin realised they were sub par and got their shit together.
So stop whining and do the same.
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Quote from: shark on November 22, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
Traffic cone gaels?
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
The Dubs post Heffo struggled .
Laois and Wesmeath were the last straw.
The Frankenstein project followed.
So Dublin realised they were sub par and got their shit together.
So stop whining and do the same.
Were you involved in this Dublin revival?
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 22, 2020, 10:57:13 PM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 22, 2020, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 22, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: shark on November 22, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
Traffic cone gaels?
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
The Dubs post Heffo struggled .
Laois and Wesmeath were the last straw.
The Frankenstein project followed.
So Dublin realised they were sub par and got their shit together.
So stop whining and do the same.
Were you involved in this Dublin revival?
At an extremely minor and peripheral level, I suppose I was.
What I didn't do was complain about how unfair it was that Dublin were shite.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
Traffic cone gaels?
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
The Dubs post Heffo struggled .
Laois and Wesmeath were the last straw.
The Frankenstein project followed.
So Dublin realised they were sub par and got their shit together.
So stop whining and do the same.
Were you involved in this Dublin revival?
At an extremely minor and peripheral level, I suppose I was.
What I didn't do was complain about how unfair it was that Dublin were shite.
How come you did not complain?
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 22, 2020, 11:16:14 PM
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Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
Traffic cone gaels?
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
The Dubs post Heffo struggled .
Laois and Wesmeath were the last straw.
The Frankenstein project followed.
So Dublin realised they were sub par and got their shit together.
So stop whining and do the same.
Were you involved in this Dublin revival?
At an extremely minor and peripheral level, I suppose I was.
What I didn't do was complain about how unfair it was that Dublin were shite.
How come you did not complain?
Because I'm not a loser. If your team is underperfoming you lift standards and work harder. You don't try and hobble who is ahead of you off the park.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 22, 2020, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 22, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: shark on November 22, 2020, 03:15:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 22, 2020, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on November 22, 2020, 01:19:36 PM
Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
More patronising shite. Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway just don't try hard enough. If only they wanted it as much as the Dubs! f**k me.
As for the other stuff - Harte often had his struggles to get players to commit to his own county.
Wexford hurlers are irrelevant. There is no monster in hurling.
O'Dwyer was in Kildare when the Dubs were mortal.
McGuinness got in with Donegal just in time. Before the machine was cranked to full power.
This post is exactly the type of subterfuge you usually go to town on in other topics.
But there was a monster in hurling - all the same things were said about them that has been said about Dublin - and other counties decided to take them down - they succeeded
Dublin were already a machine in 2014 - they were beaten
Only in 2018 did Dublin get a relatively clear run to the All-Ireland
In short, yes it is true - Meath, Down, Derry, Armagh, Cork etc. are not trying hard enough
Not trying hard enough means neglect of underage structures, neglect in terms of thinking, neglect in terms of persuasion of players, neglect in terms of attracting the business community, neglect in terms of administration, neglect of coaching
Sport is brutal - what Ray Boyne said last year is true - Dublin are one of a group of counties which do try harder - but also - nobody in Dublin doesn't acknowledge they have natural advantages - of course they do
Dublin have natural advantages over Longford in the same way Germany have a natural advantage over Ireland in soccer - representative sport is inherently unfair
Since I wrote that post, Tipperary have won the Munster championship and Cavan have won Ulster
Neither was expected
Dublin try harder, God give me f**king strength. Bullshit of the highest order.
But calling it bullshit is not an argument, you have to say
why it's "bullshit"
Kildare are trying less hard than Mayo, and less hard than Donegal
The proof is in the results over a long period
The truth is brutal, and it spares no feelings
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Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
Traffic cone gaels?
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
The Dubs post Heffo struggled .
Laois and Wesmeath were the last straw.
The Frankenstein project followed.
So Dublin realised they were sub par and got their shit together.
So stop whining and do the same.
Were you involved in this Dublin revival?
At an extremely minor and peripheral level, I suppose I was.
What I didn't do was complain about how unfair it was that Dublin were shite.
How come you did not complain?
Because I'm not a loser. If your team is underperfoming you lift standards and work harder. You don't try and hobble who is ahead of you off the park.
How did ye lift these standards and learn how to work harder?
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Dublin have had some amazing matches with Mayo and Kerry over the last 5/6 years. Some of the greatest games there's ever been. I've no idea why Meath and Kildare are not as good as Mayo and Kerry.
The reason is that Dublin has smothered the Leinster Champonship for 15 years now. 15 years! The one title Meath won in 2010 they could not even enjoy.
Kildare and Meath teams are constantly chopping and changing squads to try to get the right formula. Consistency is huge when building a team. You can also image many good players not committing. Why would they?
Exactly. Players won't commit. Been happening all across Leinster for years now. Lads chuck it in before they should be peaking.
Players will always commit to a set up which they think is serious
Mayo never have problems getting players to commit, there is a fierce hunger to win in the county and that's reflected in the senior set up they have, that's their culture
Ironically it's all those All-Ireland final defeats that have probably done more than anything to foster that culture and turn them into a pure, driven football county, every child in Mayo grows up dreaming of finally winning the All-Ireland for Mayo, they believe its achievable
Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels
I'd say if Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke or Mickey Harte took over Meath, they wouldn't have too many problems getting players to commit
Davy Fitzgerald had no problems getting Wexford hurlers to commit
When Mick O'Dwyer took over Kildare, he energised the whole county
Jim McGuinness totally changed the culture in Donegal
"Meath, Down, Armagh, Derry, Cork and Galway got their All-Irelands and fell off the map, perhaps because those All-Irelands sated the whole culture in the counties and made them rest on their laurels"
Who would have won the all irelands 2010-19 if the Dubs hadn't been financially doped?
https://youtu.be/ZSm1j4oL8zA
Dublin
Traffic cone gaels?
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
The Dubs post Heffo struggled .
Laois and Wesmeath were the last straw.
The Frankenstein project followed.
So Dublin realised they were sub par and got their shit together.
So stop whining and do the same.
Were you involved in this Dublin revival?
At an extremely minor and peripheral level, I suppose I was.
What I didn't do was complain about how unfair it was that Dublin were shite.
How come you did not complain?
Because I'm not a loser. If your team is underperfoming you lift standards and work harder. You don't try and hobble who is ahead of you off the park.
How did ye lift these standards and learn how to work harder?
Personally? Not much beyond helping implement the Blue Wave stuff at club level. It was mocked, but it worked.
If only the Laythrums would work harder they'd get a team from their 3,000 players that would bate the best of Dublin's 39,000.
But they're too busy trying to keep things going in their 20 or so small clubeens.
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If only the Laythrums would work harder they'd get a team from their 3,000 players that would bate the best of Dublin's 39,000.
But they're too busy trying to keep things going in their 20 or so small clubeens.
But Lietrim were always shite. A Cinderella county. Don't even field a camogie team. Thats life in a county with less people than Bray. And I would suggest they overachieve.
The question is why counties like Meath with a pedigree, structure and no other major sports teams have given up. Thats a question of work ethic at commiittee level and down. Where is there plan? Where is their training guide for kids and GDO's?
Where is HQ throwing money at Meath Co Board to stop them all turning to soccer and rugby?
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Where is HQ throwing money at Meath Co Board to stop them all turning to soccer and rugby?
Have Meath had any plans or strategy papers rejected or not supported? Has any county?
You remind me of the soccer heads whinging about the Grab Alls while doing hee haw themselves.
Maybe Meath are not the fairest example in that they at least got the Center of Excellence built and are starting on rebuilding their stadium. Which is more than most.
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If only the Laythrums would work harder they'd get a team from their 3,000 players that would bate the best of Dublin's 39,000.
But they're too busy trying to keep things going in their 20 or so small clubeens.
But Lietrim were always shite. A Cinderella county. Don't even field a camogie team. Thats life in a county with less people than Bray. And I would suggest they overachieve.
The question is why counties like Meath with a pedigree, structure and no other major sports teams have given up. Thats a question of work ethic at commiittee level and down. Where is there plan? Where is their training guide for kids and GDO's?
People badly need to look at the historical performances of teams and they need to understand the realities of representative sport
There is no system in which Leitrim or Longford or Fermanagh will win trophies unless a freak generation of players comes along
Success for these counties will always be measured in relative terms, as it will for, say, the Irish soccer team
That is not an argument for abolishing the Irish soccer team no more than it is for abolishing Leitrim, Longford or Fermanagh
It took until 1960 for Sam to cross the border, the Anglo-Celt was only very rarely won by a six county team until the 1950s, was that an argument for having the six county teams amalgamate?
The reason you have a county team and not a regional team is because the county is your identity
Look at how amalgamated regional teams have worked in Welsh rugby, they haven't worked at all
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If only the Laythrums would work harder they'd get a team from their 3,000 players that would bate the best of Dublin's 39,000.
But they're too busy trying to keep things going in their 20 or so small clubeens.
But Lietrim were always shite. A Cinderella county. Don't even field a camogie team. Thats life in a county with less people than Bray. And I would suggest they overachieve.
The question is why counties like Meath with a pedigree, structure and no other major sports teams have given up. Thats a question of work ethic at commiittee level and down. Where is there plan? Where is their training guide for kids and GDO's?
People badly need to look at the historical performances of teams and they need to understand the realities of representative sport
There is no system in which Leitrim or Longford or Fermanagh will win trophies unless a freak generation of players comes along
Success for these counties will always be measured in relative terms, as it will for, say, the Irish soccer team
That is not an argument for abolishing the Irish soccer team no more than it is for abolishing Leitrim, Longford or Fermanagh
It took until 1960 for Sam to cross the border, the Anglo-Celt was only very rarely won by a six county team until the 1950s, was that an argument for having the six county teams amalgamate?
The reason you have a county team and not a regional team is because the county is your identity
Look at how amalgamated regional teams have worked in Welsh rugby, they haven't worked at all
If amalgamated teams don't work, why do people think splitting teams in two or four will?
I have as much personal affinity to the concept of Fingal as I do the Northern Hemisphere or Leinster.
The problem with splitting Dublin is where do they play. There are two football stadiums in Dublin. Parnell and croker. Both in the north city.
You can't build an identity if a south Dublin team doesn't have a stadium. Doesn't work. A new stadium would have to be built.
As for amalgamated team won't work because they didn't work in wales. Well that's a load of waffle. It's a different sport in a different country. Straw clutching.
Theres more to the gaa than senior football all ireland championship
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The problem with splitting Dublin is where do they play. There are two football stadiums in Dublin. Parnell and croker. Both in the north city.
You can't build an identity if a south Dublin team doesn't have a stadium. Doesn't work. A new stadium would have to be built.
As for amalgamated team won't work because they didn't work in wales. Well that's a load of waffle. It's a different sport in a different country. Straw clutching.
It would be even more difficult than in Welsh rugby to amalgamate counties in GAA, for the simple fact that in Ireland people have an identity formed not just by a club or a team that has been around for 130 years, but by actual counties which have been around for hundreds of years
A Cavan idenitity is as important to Cavan people as an Irish identity and the Cavan football team is the embodiment of that identity
When that identity is destroyed or heavily diluted, people just won't care anymore
That's what happened in Welsh rugby, even in Irish rugby there is a lot of hostility towards the provinces from some club people
Rugby League in England tried amalgamations of clubs back in the 1990s, it bombed - Castleford and Wakefield refused to lose their identities, there was no way Widnes and Warrington would play together
A Team Ulster in hurling was once mooted to compete in the All-Ireland hurling championship
Ulster does have an identity, it has by far the strongest collective identity of any of the provinces, and the idea appeared to make some sporting sense, but the idea was dismissed out of hand because even in hurling, the counties and players were very hostile to the idea of losing their county teams, even if in hurling, most Ulster teams were competing at a very low level
If a hurling Team Ulster was dismissed, then the BMW Bandits (incorporating Roscommmon, Leitrim, Longford and Westmeath) in football is sure as hell going to be dismissed
This kind of stuff might fly in the AFL or NRL (and even there the merger practice is despised, ask fans of Fitzroy or Balmain Tigers) but on this side of the world it's anathema
And merging small junior clubs is not in any way comparable to merging counties
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If only the Laythrums would work harder they'd get a team from their 3,000 players that would bate the best of Dublin's 39,000.
But they're too busy trying to keep things going in their 20 or so small clubeens.
But Lietrim were always shite. A Cinderella county. Don't even field a camogie team. Thats life in a county with less people than Bray. And I would suggest they overachieve.
The question is why counties like Meath with a pedigree, structure and no other major sports teams have given up. Thats a question of work ethic at commiittee level and down. Where is there plan? Where is their training guide for kids and GDO's?
People badly need to look at the historical performances of teams and they need to understand the realities of representative sport
There is no system in which Leitrim or Longford or Fermanagh will win trophies unless a freak generation of players comes along
Success for these counties will always be measured in relative terms, as it will for, say, the Irish soccer team
That is not an argument for abolishing the Irish soccer team no more than it is for abolishing Leitrim, Longford or Fermanagh
It took until 1960 for Sam to cross the border, the Anglo-Celt was only very rarely won by a six county team until the 1950s, was that an argument for having the six county teams amalgamate?
The reason you have a county team and not a regional team is because the county is your identity
Look at how amalgamated regional teams have worked in Welsh rugby, they haven't worked at all
If amalgamated teams don't work, why do people think splitting teams in two or four will?
I have as much personal affinity to the concept of Fingal as I do the Northern Hemisphere or Leinster.
At least 10-15 years more evidence is needed before a splitting of Dublin should even be considered, if Dublin won 15 in a row you might think about it
Even then I expect any split would be twofold and strictly along Northside-Southside lines with the Liffey being the divide, it certainly wouldn't be Fingal-South Dublin-DLR- Dublin City etc. as there is no identity there whatsoever, whereas there is somewhat of a Northside v Southside rivalry
Even then I wouldn't know which team would be "my" team as the place I come from, despite being just south of the Liffey, is not really associated with the southside but with the west of the city, while my father is a northsider and I nearly associate more strongly with the area where he grew up than with the area where I grew up, which was comprised of faceless enough housing estates, anywheresville
I also generally prefer to see northside clubs do well in the championships than southside ones
"Southside" to me means Stillorgan and Dundrum and Blackrock, and I have no affinity to those areas at all
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The problem with splitting Dublin is where do they play. There are two football stadiums in Dublin. Parnell and croker. Both in the north city.
You can't build an identity if a south Dublin team doesn't have a stadium. Doesn't work. A new stadium would have to be built.
As for amalgamated team won't work because they didn't work in wales. Well that's a load of waffle. It's a different sport in a different country. Straw clutching.
It would be even more difficult than in Welsh rugby to amalgamate counties in GAA, for the simple fact that in Ireland people have an identity formed not just by a club or a team that has been around for 130 years, but by actual counties which have been around for hundreds of years
A Cavan idenitity is as important to Cavan people as an Irish identity and the Cavan football team is the embodiment of that identity
When that identity is destroyed or heavily diluted, people just won't care anymore
That's what happened in Welsh rugby, even in Irish rugby there is a lot of hostility towards the provinces from some club people
Rugby League in England tried amalgamations of clubs back in the 1990s, it bombed - Castleford and Wakefield refused to lose their identities, there was no way Widnes and Warrington would play together
A Team Ulster in hurling was once mooted to compete in the All-Ireland hurling championship
Ulster does have an identity, it has by far the strongest collective identity of any of the provinces, and the idea appeared to make some sporting sense, but the idea was dismissed out of hand because even in hurling, the counties and players were very hostile to the idea of losing their county teams, even if in hurling, most Ulster teams were competing at a very low level
If a hurling Team Ulster was dismissed, then the BMW Bandits (incorporating Roscommmon, Leitrim, Longford and Westmeath) in football is sure as hell going to be dismissed
This kind of stuff might fly in the AFL or NRL (and even there the merger practice is despised, ask fans of Fitzroy or Balmain Tigers) but on this side of the world it's anathema
And merging small junior clubs is not in any way comparable to merging counties
Why do you think people are extremely choosy about identifying with a region team in the GAA or rugby league in England or rugby in Wales while Irish people can support Liverpool, man utd, Chelsea rabidly while having no connection to the areas of those clubs?
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Where is HQ throwing money at Meath Co Board to stop them all turning to soccer and rugby?
Have Meath had any plans or strategy papers rejected or not supported? Has any county?
You remind me of the soccer heads whinging about the Grab Alls while doing hee haw themselves.
Fermanagh had a plan rejected I believe. Oh that's right...the script writers should have "tried harder". ::)
Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly, cap spending .
was the backdoor introduced to give smaller teams a 2nd game or a chance to give the big boys chance incase they slipped up.
The Dubs are on their third team
They can do this indefinitely.
But nobody will watch it.
For the rest
The height of mediocrity is the challenge
Crawling through the entrails of imbalance
https://youtu.be/kqB-wf49Xsc
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was the backdoor introduced to give smaller teams a 2nd game or a chance to give the big boys chance incase they slipped up.
Let's not kid ourselves. It was introduced to bring in more revenue for the GAA
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Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly, cap spending .
Would make very little difference. The reason Dublin are all powerful is mainly down to population. Spending money in schools or clubs to hire GPOs to teach kids the basics of the game wouldn't have the massive affect that we are seeing.
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Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly, cap spending .
Would make very little difference. The reason Dublin are all powerful is mainly down to population. Spending money in schools or clubs to hire GPOs to teach kids the basics of the game wouldn't have the massive affect that we are seeing.
It's population potential
leveraged by money.
Population imbalances also exist in the 6 nations but England doesn't get all the TV money.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/1081313/Six-Nations-prize-money-full-breakdown-revealed
Guaranteed money pot before prize money is included is as follows:
Italy: £15.6m
Wales £15.6m
Scotland £15.6m
Ireland £15.6m
France £18.5m
England £19m
Rugby administration focuses on continuity.
Football administration is insane.
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Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly, cap spending .
Would make very little difference. The reason Dublin are all powerful is mainly down to population. Spending money in schools or clubs to hire GPOs to teach kids the basics of the game wouldn't have the massive affect that we are seeing.
The bigger population didn't make them dominant pre-2011. Cork are the next biggest population and they don't dominate at either code.
Do any Dubs here object to moving the game out of their home ground? Surely Newry or Armagh is the fairest option?
No,take it to malin if they want
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1121/1179682-whelan-rest-of-leinster-is-psychologically-smashed/
"It's worrying for the game because we're looking for entertainment. If you had 50,000 here tonight, half of them would probably be gone home at half-time.
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Do any Dubs here object to moving the game out of their home ground? Surely Newry or Armagh is the fairest option?
None whatsoever. I personally love going on the road when given a chance
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 23, 2020, 12:20:20 AM
Where is HQ throwing money at Meath Co Board to stop them all turning to soccer and rugby?
Have Meath had any plans or strategy papers rejected or not supported? Has any county?
You remind me of the soccer heads whinging about the Grab Alls while doing hee haw themselves.
Fermanagh had a plan rejected I believe. Oh that's right...the script writers should have "tried harder". ::)
I have heard this but nobody has ever linked to anything about it.
But the lack of a second plan taking the rejection on board would prove my point.
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Splits and amalgamations , not a hope would supporters of county football take to that , just get the wealth spread evenly, cap spending .
Would make very little difference. The reason Dublin are all powerful is mainly down to population. Spending money in schools or clubs to hire GPOs to teach kids the basics of the game wouldn't have the massive affect that we are seeing.
The bigger population didn't make them dominant pre-2011. Cork are the next biggest population and they don't dominate at either code.
Well it made them the second most successful county when GAA wasn't sexy in Dublin. Now GAA is the biggest show in town when it comes to pulling crowds so comparing things now to comparing things to decades ago is very flawed.
Quote from: Tubberman on November 23, 2020, 10:18:44 AM
The bigger population didn't make them dominant pre-2011. Cork are the next biggest population and they don't dominate at either code.
A bit like saying that houses were cheap in Dublin years ago. All changed, changed utterly.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ex-westmeath-player-calls-on-county-boards-to-boycott-leinster-championship-unless-funding-disparities-tackled-39779021.html
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ex-westmeath-player-calls-on-county-boards-to-boycott-leinster-championship-unless-funding-disparities-tackled-39779021.html
"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion "
Steve Walt
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
A lot of arguments about funding of Dublin..
1, Financial doping etc..
2, its not the money its the hard work of the "volunteers" is the counter to that.. blah blah..
Take away the funding for 10 years ( its been in place approx 15). If after 10 years the Dubs are still unbeaten in Leinster and win say 7/10 all irelands then argument #2 proved correct if not it just might be the $$$$$'s
Cork had a population of 542k at the last census
Kilkenny had 99k
That's not far off the same population ratio as Dublin to Meath
Yet Cork haven't won a hurling All-Ireland for 15 years while Kilkenny have won 8 in that time
What's going on?
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
Cork had a population of 542k at the last census
Kilkenny had 99k
That's not far off the same population ratio as Dublin to Meath
Yet Cork haven't won a hurling All-Ireland for 15 years while Kilkenny have won 8 in that time
What's going on?
Kilkenny have won 6 more hurling titles than cork over the history of the GAA. Kerry have won, is it around 12 more, than Dublin in football.
Population isn't the be all, end all. There are other factors that make Kilkenny and kerry special but at the end of the day population is the biggest factor in the destination of GAA trophies.
This bizarre narrative being put forward that Dublin GAA volunteer better and volunteer harder is quite frankly an insult to every voluntary organisation in the country. It's disingenuous and quite frankly insulting.
That Dublin players work harder that their counterparts is also disingenuous and quite frankly insulting.
Dublin players as a collective travel less, have more more more spent on physical preparation, mental preparation, technical preparation, tactical preparation and lifestyle enhancements that any other county in the history of the GAA. To ignore the co-relationship between money spent and success is to ignore the history of professional sport over the last 150 years.
The sooner more players like John Connellan call out this charade for what it is the better.
Romantic GAA is long dead. It died the day the Government, The GAA and Dublin go into bed together and have been swapping spit ever since.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 23, 2020, 11:34:21 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ex-westmeath-player-calls-on-county-boards-to-boycott-leinster-championship-unless-funding-disparities-tackled-39779021.html
A very very minor card in the GAA house of cards just got flicked. Revolutions don't always start with a huge battle. They often start with a minor skirmish.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
Cork had a population of 542k at the last census
Kilkenny had 99k
That's not far off the same population ratio as Dublin to Meath
Yet Cork haven't won a hurling All-Ireland for 15 years while Kilkenny have won 8 in that time
What's going on?
Sport isn't usually linear. Cork could return and win 3 in a row. Mean reversion is important
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
Cork had a population of 542k at the last census
Kilkenny had 99k
That's not far off the same population ratio as Dublin to Meath
Yet Cork haven't won a hurling All-Ireland for 15 years while Kilkenny have won 8 in that time
What's going on?
Kilkenny have won 6 more hurling titles than cork over the history of the GAA. Kerry have won, is it around 12 more, than Dublin in football.
Population isn't the be all, end all. There are other factors that make Kilkenny and kerry special but at the end of the day population is the biggest factor in the destination of GAA trophies.
Yet the narrative is that it is
Which you then imply a sentence later
When you say "there are other factors" as regards Kerry and Kilkenny, that essentially boils down to "they work harder"
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 23, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
This bizarre narrative being put forward that Dublin GAA volunteer better and volunteer harder is quite frankly an insult to every voluntary organisation in the country. It's disingenuous and quite frankly insulting.
That Dublin players work harder that their counterparts is also disingenuous and quite frankly insulting.
Dublin players as a collective travel less, have more more more spent on physical preparation, mental preparation, technical preparation, tactical preparation and lifestyle enhancements that any other county in the history of the GAA. To ignore the co-relationship between money spent and success is to ignore the history of professional sport over the last 150 years.
The sooner more players like John Connellan call out this charade for what it is the better.
Romantic GAA is long dead. It died the day the Government, The GAA and Dublin go into bed together and have been swapping spit ever since.
Why have Donegal and Mayo consistently been much more competitive than Kildare and Meath over the last 20 years?
Kildare and Meath have bigger populations - and younger populations, I would strongly imagine - and are far better situated economically than Donegal and Mayo
They should be powerhouses
Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.
My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 12:34:09 PM
Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.
My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough
Nobody said population isn't a factor, but it also isn't the be all and end all either - and all representative sport has inherent population imbalances
I gave the example of Cork having over five times the population of Kilkenny yet Kilkenny have won eight All-Irelands since Cork last won one
Saying "we are not very good at football" is not an excuse - it just showcases the attitude that is holding a county like Kildare back
Kildare had 222k at the last census - Kerry for comparison had 147k, Mayo 130k
Kildare has everything in place to be one of the top football counties on a consistent basis, except attitude, organisation, and the knowledge of what it takes and the willingness to follow through on that
Kildare people may bristle at this, but it's the brutal truth
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 12:34:09 PM
Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.
My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough
Nobody said population isn't a factor, but it also isn't the be all and end all either - and all representative sport has inherent population imbalances
I gave the example of Cork having over five times the population of Kilkenny yet Kilkenny have won eight All-Irelands since Cork last won one
Saying "we are not very good at football" is not an excuse - it just showcases the attitude that is holding a county like Kildare back
Kildare had 222k at the last census - Kerry for comparison had 147k, Mayo 130k
Kildare has everything in place to be one of the top football counties on a consistent basis, except attitude, organisation, and the knowledge of what it takes and the willingness to follow through on that
Kildare people may bristle at this, but it's the brutal truth
Kildare have had 133 years to become good at football. We never have. It's never going to happen. And certainly not with a behomeath like Dublin on our doorstep.
Dublin won Leinster football. Congratulations.
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 12:48:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 12:34:09 PM
Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.
My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough
Nobody said population isn't a factor, but it also isn't the be all and end all either - and all representative sport has inherent population imbalances
I gave the example of Cork having over five times the population of Kilkenny yet Kilkenny have won eight All-Irelands since Cork last won one
Saying "we are not very good at football" is not an excuse - it just showcases the attitude that is holding a county like Kildare back
Kildare had 222k at the last census - Kerry for comparison had 147k, Mayo 130k
Kildare has everything in place to be one of the top football counties on a consistent basis, except attitude, organisation, and the knowledge of what it takes and the willingness to follow through on that
Kildare people may bristle at this, but it's the brutal truth
Kildare have had 133 years to become good at football. We never have. It's never going to happen. And certainly not with a behomeath like Dublin on our doorstep.
Dublin won Leinster football. Congratulations.
And when Dublin decided to change that attitude somehow Dublin were wrong.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 12:56:58 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 12:48:45 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 12:34:09 PM
Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.
My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough
Nobody said population isn't a factor, but it also isn't the be all and end all either - and all representative sport has inherent population imbalances
I gave the example of Cork having over five times the population of Kilkenny yet Kilkenny have won eight All-Irelands since Cork last won one
Saying "we are not very good at football" is not an excuse - it just showcases the attitude that is holding a county like Kildare back
Kildare had 222k at the last census - Kerry for comparison had 147k, Mayo 130k
Kildare has everything in place to be one of the top football counties on a consistent basis, except attitude, organisation, and the knowledge of what it takes and the willingness to follow through on that
Kildare people may bristle at this, but it's the brutal truth
Kildare have had 133 years to become good at football. We never have. It's never going to happen. And certainly not with a behomeath like Dublin on our doorstep.
Dublin won Leinster football. Congratulations.
And when Dublin decided to change that attitude somehow Dublin were wrong.
Congratulations.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 12:27:58 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 23, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
This bizarre narrative being put forward that Dublin GAA volunteer better and volunteer harder is quite frankly an insult to every voluntary organisation in the country. It's disingenuous and quite frankly insulting.
That Dublin players work harder that their counterparts is also disingenuous and quite frankly insulting.
Dublin players as a collective travel less, have more more more spent on physical preparation, mental preparation, technical preparation, tactical preparation and lifestyle enhancements that any other county in the history of the GAA. To ignore the co-relationship between money spent and success is to ignore the history of professional sport over the last 150 years.
The sooner more players like John Connellan call out this charade for what it is the better.
Romantic GAA is long dead. It died the day the Government, The GAA and Dublin go into bed together and have been swapping spit ever since.
Why have Donegal and Mayo consistently been much more competitive than Kildare and Meath over the last 20 years?
Kildare and Meath have bigger populations - and younger populations, I would strongly imagine - and are far better situated economically than Donegal and Mayo
They should be powerhouses
Donegal and Mayo won a combined 1 all Ireland over 20 years, Sid
Pick 2 other teams who were "successful"
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Can any rational being genuinely believe that the other 11 counties have stood, or sat, idly by since 2005 when the present Dublin run of success began?
There has been one solitary exception (2010) but, spin it anyway you like, 14 out of 15 cannot be mere coincidence.
After all, from 1995 until 2004, ten years, a total of six counties won the title. For the curious, they were Meath (3), Dublin (2), Kildare (2) and Offaly, Laois, Westmeath one each.
So, has Dubliin streaked ahead of the rest, from 2005 until the present or have the others been hit by a collective bout of inertia and sat on their arses ever since?
Or did Dublin's grip on the Leinster crown begin when the then Dublin chairman, John Bailey approached the government, aka Berties Ahern,looking for finance to keep Dublin's head above water. He found the native of Drumcondra very willing to help.
Dublin needs every cent it can get to survive.
Only a tiny percentage of the general public, less by far than in any other county, participate at club level.
There's a preponderance of super-sized clubs that draw their members from a very wide area hence no parochial element in their makeup.
The general Finglas region has the same population (approximately) as the whole of County Cavan.
According to the Cavan GAA site, the county has 41 registered clubs- Finglas has just one.
Dubs can point to the big crowds that turn out for glamour games but that's drawn from a single county that has over a third of the country's population and this needs to be kept in context.
Having said all of the above, carving Dublin up in any way would be a total disaster as none of the component parts would have enough clubs to survive- the present basket case model barely keeps going as things stand.
But, if something is not done to curb Dublin's dominance, the GAA will be banjaxed anyway.
What gives if the unstoppable force meets the immovable mass?
And what is your solution Lar?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 23, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
And what is your solution Lar?
My solution Ross?
For the purposes of this discussion, my personal two cents worth is, well, worth two cents. ;D
My personal feelings won't change a comma of the stats I've quoted.
Arrah gwan Lairín....it's an oul discussion forum so give us your thoughts.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 23, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
And what is your solution Lar?
Maybe all all Irelands beyond 3 in a row won by the Dubs deemed null and void.
You can split dublins senior side without splitting their club scene into two counties.
Dublin club teams are not dominating lienster and their hurling team dont dominate either.
Quote from: trileacman on November 23, 2020, 02:23:09 PM
You can split dublins senior side without splitting their club scene into two counties.
So the current county board structure remain in place with them managing 2/3/4 county sides?
Quote from: Eire90 on November 23, 2020, 02:24:25 PM
Dublin club teams are not dominating lienster
It's almost like club and county are different competitions
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 23, 2020, 02:24:25 PM
Dublin club teams are not dominating lienster
It's almost like club and county are different competitions
Or people are mistaking a strong county side with overall strength of tbe games in your capital.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 23, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Can any rational being genuinely believe that the other 11 counties have stood, or sat, idly by since 2005 when the present Dublin run of success began?
There has been one solitary exception (2010) but, spin it anyway you like, 14 out of 15 cannot be mere coincidence.
After all, from 1995 until 2004, ten years, a total of six counties won the title. For the curious, they were Meath (3), Dublin (2), Kildare (2) and Offaly, Laois, Westmeath one each.
So, has Dubliin streaked ahead of the rest, from 2005 until the present or have the others been hit by a collective bout of inertia and sat on their arses ever since?
Or did Dublin's grip on the Leinster crown begin when the then Dublin chairman, John Bailey approached the government, aka Berties Ahern,looking for finance to keep Dublin's head above water. He found the native of Drumcondra very willing to help.
Dublin needs every cent it can get to survive.
Only a tiny percentage of the general public, less by far than in any other county, participate at club level.
There's a preponderance of super-sized clubs that draw their members from a very wide area hence no parochial element in their makeup.
The general Finglas region has the same population (approximately) as the whole of County Cavan.
According to the Cavan GAA site, the county has 41 registered clubs- Finglas has just one.
Dubs can point to the big crowds that turn out for glamour games but that's drawn from a single county that has over a third of the country's population and this needs to be kept in context.
Having said all of the above, carving Dublin up in any way would be a total disaster as none of the component parts would have enough clubs to survive- the present basket case model barely keeps going as things stand.
But, if something is not done to curb Dublin's dominance, the GAA will be banjaxed anyway.
What gives if the unstoppable force meets the immovable mass?
Would it HAVE to be carved up below intercounty level? Is there some rule that says the same organization/unit structure has to be maintained through all levels of competition?
Are there not clubs out there who amalgamate at underage but compete separately at adult level? Kerry enter regional representative teams in their senior football championship, don't they?
Why can't they split if they can amalgamate for specific competitions?
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
The reality is that while the playing numbers have exploded over the last two decades, Dublin is still only scratching the surface of its potential. As one poster rightly pointed out, a number of areas with a population of well in excess of 100,000 are currently being serviced by only one or two clubs while relatively new suburban settlements have no GAA clubs within them. Th Dublin juggernaut has massive room to develop even further still.
I hate this argument you see GAA officials put out- the other counties need to replicate the Dublin model or they need to do more to develop their underage structures. Even if the likes of Offaly, Westmeath, Laois and Longford were maximising their potential they are still never going to get close to the level of Dublin. For that reason, as long as Dublin is left as a single entity Leinster football will continue along in its current guise. I can guarantee that if Dublin were as organised as they are now in the 90s and 00s, Meath would never have been competing or winning All-Irelands and Kildare, Westmeath and Laois would not come within a sniff of their Leinster breakthroughs regardless how good their teams were at the time.
True Laois.
If we can't have 4 County Boards in Dublin how about a compromise
1 County Board but fielding 2 football teams Dublin City, pop c550k and Dublin County pop c800k?
They'd each be in the top 3 for playing numbers.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 23, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going
The comments above are a good example of this
Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article
Quote from: Rossfan on November 23, 2020, 03:45:53 PM
True Laois.
If we can't have 4 County Boards in Dublin how about a compromise
1 County Board but fielding 2 football teams Dublin City, pop c550k and Dublin County pop c800k?
They'd each be in the top 3 for playing numbers.
No they wouldn't. There are very few GAA clubs in Fingal and DLR. And thats before we get to how many of your 550k and 800k are culchies.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 23, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going
The comments above are a good example of this
Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article
My comments couldn't be accused of that. I just want a watchable competition that is fair. Culchies and ewan want Dublin punished. Dubs want their advantages protected at all costs.
There's no adult debate. Dublin are unbeatable, congratulations. I don't care about the reasons for that but we can't go on with playing a competition that is pointless. Or ye can if you want but I won't be watching and I doubt I will be alone.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 23, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going
The comments above are a good example of this
Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article
You're part of the problem, brush it off.
Dublin in reality have a playing population 10-15 times that of any of their current nearest competitors. Once they have their house in order then there is no competing with that. That's before we get to the funding, the championship format and Croke Park advantages that Dublin already have a supreme advantage in.
It would be refreshing for Dublin fans to stop defending the indefensible, alas.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 23, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going
The comments above are a good example of this
Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article
That may all be true.
But at what point do you Dubs even get bored?
Mayo will give you a game. Kerry too. You'll still beat them both in the end nine times out of ten.
And that's it.
Is one relatively tight game every year before the inevitable Sam Maguire something Dublin fans are going to continue to look forward to?
It would be one thing if the team's success was based on a core coming through and developing together like most successful county sides have been, but its not. There is no end in sight.
As a Donegal fan, we got our arses handed to us yesterday in a sickening defeat (not because it was Cavan - I'm delighted for them). But, had everything gone to script, I would have enjoyed winning a third Ulster in a row for the first time, but not extracted much major satisfaction out of the title itself. And that's Donegal, a decent team, but with problems functioning in the face of serious intensity. But one which, after all, had fairly handily won the last two Ulster titles. But also nothing like the relentless, remorseless, unparalleled, historically greatest ever side that Dublin are.
If OUR benchmark as supporters was beginning to move past an Ulster title (obviously no longer valid) and wondering how close we might be able to get to Dublin, then what is there to keep Dublin supporters engaged?
There's nothing left to aim for beyond breaking your own AI title-winning sequence every year.
Certainly someone who is frozen is not alive, but neither are they dead
They are in a third state and biostasis is how I would describe the Leinster Football Chamspionship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgy8xLdZ22k
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
The whine of a Dub who can't see that the system is broken.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 23, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going
The comments above are a good example of this
Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article
No need for gaslighting, Sid
0
6 in a row
54 point winning margin in 3 Leinster matches
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
I've put up the reason they don't want to know. They don't want a fair fight, they want every single factor tilted in their favour before a ball is kicked. You just validate that viewpoint.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
I've put up the reason they don't want to know. They don't want a fair fight, they want every single factor tilted in their favour before a ball is kicked. You just validate that viewpoint.
You're whining as bad as any unionist could. And as bitter!
Quote from: J70 on November 23, 2020, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 23, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going
The comments above are a good example of this
Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article
That may all be true.
But at what point do you Dubs even get bored?
Mayo will give you a game. Kerry too. You'll still beat them both in the end nine times out of ten.
And that's it.
Is one relatively tight game every year before the inevitable Sam Maguire something Dublin fans are going to continue to look forward to?
It would be one thing if the team's success was based on a core coming through and developing together like most successful county sides have been, but its not. There is no end in sight.
As a Donegal fan, we got our arses handed to us yesterday in a sickening defeat (not because it was Cavan - I'm delighted for them). But, had everything gone to script, I would have enjoyed winning a third Ulster in a row for the first time, but not extracted much major satisfaction out of the title itself. And that's Donegal, a decent team, but with problems functioning in the face of serious intensity. But one which, after all, had fairly handily won the last two Ulster titles. But also nothing like the relentless, remorseless, unparalleled, historically greatest ever side that Dublin are.
If OUR benchmark as supporters was beginning to move past an Ulster title (obviously no longer valid) and wondering how close we might be able to get to Dublin, then what is there to keep Dublin supporters engaged?
There's nothing left to aim for beyond breaking your own AI title-winning sequence every year.
But all the same things were said about Kilkenny too
For the record, yes, there's no question that most of Dublin's matches in Leinster over the last six or seven years have been boring and that when you win a lot of titles in a row it gets less special for supporters as it goes on - Dublin have reached that point now alright with the five in a row - if Dublin lost to Cavan or Mayo or Tipp I think it would be great for the game
But it isn't Dublin's fault that most of their wins are boring, no more than it was Kilkenny's fault that their matches in Leinster for years were boring or Crossmaglen's fault that them winning 13 Armagh titles in a row was boring or New Zealand's fault that them constantly winning in rugby was boring or Celtic's nine in a row was boring or Phil Taylor's fault that his relentless winning was boring
All these dynasties were thought to be impenetrable and unbeatable, but they weren't - and Celtic aren't going to be doing ten in a row
Dublin cannot sign players - and people make structures and teams - if you take key people out, yes, the thing can crumble, or at least not be as potent
Gavin is already gone, and we still don't know whether Dessie Farrell is anywhere near as good a manager, Cluxton will be gone soon and if there's one person that has ever driven a winning culture in a team in any sport, it is him
Some day sooner or later Dublin
will be beaten and it will go down in history
Cavan were beaten by 16 points by Tyrone last year - did they lie down afterwards and say what's the point?
Even if Dublin do thrash them, and they probably will, what that Cavan team did yesterday and this year will be talked about for decades
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
I've put up the reason they don't want to know. They don't want a fair fight, they want every single factor tilted in their favour before a ball is kicked. You just validate that viewpoint.
I presume as a Celtic supporter you're howling for a "fair fight" in the Scottish Premier League, which would mean flat salary caps and flat transfer fee caps which would mean Celtic could spend no more than Hamilton Accies
I presume you would think it's incredibly boring if Celtic were to win ten in a row and would not celebrate it at all
Frankly I'm flabbergasted you seem to have such a keen interest in Celtic's domestic fortunes at all, surely it's too boring for you?
Serie A is another competition which seems totally pointless according to your criteria but as far as I remember you're also a big fan of that - Juventus have won nine in a row there too and haven't been challenged for many of those titles
Talk of "fault" is way off the mark. It's not Dublin's fault that they are dominant. But it's not the case that the motivation behind the debate is to punish Dublin.
The issue is the limit to which dominance can be tolerated before it destroys the game. GAA is amateur and has participation at its heart. If you are asking a young lad in other Leinster counties (and beyond) to invest so much in the game but with zero chance of success then the numbers drifting away will increase and increase to a level that hurts the game, the organisation and in my view, society.
Rushing in to changes may not be the wisest thing but an open mind to change and careful consideration should be encouraged
The system is broken. I don't think any reasonable person who doesn't have a bias against Dublin would begrudge them of the fact they're maximising resources. It's not their fault. They were a sleeping giant for so long and have now woken up.
Dublin are exposing the flaws of the inter-county structure. And for anyone who responds with 'Sure why aren't their hurlers dominating then?' Just look at how much they have improved over the last decade in hurling. In 2010, Kilkenny beat them by 21 points. Fast forward to 2020, and Dublin get within a single point of the same opponents. They will eventually take over the hurling scene as well and will become unstoppable in both hurling and football.
Now, it's time for GAA to come up with solutions in order to make sure that the All-Ireland becomes a competitive and healthy Championship again, where the winner isn't already decided before the league campaigns even begin.
Forgot to say - well done Dublin.
I'm sure they will go on to represent the province of Leinster with distinction. They usually do.
They really are a once in a generation group!
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Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
I've put up the reason they don't want to know. They don't want a fair fight, they want every single factor tilted in their favour before a ball is kicked. You just validate that viewpoint.
It's infuriating when posters won't answer questions when asked. Now you know how people feel when they ask you for answers. Pot, kettle, black spring to mind
I've no problem with Dublin having their funding cut, but it shouldn't just be handed straight over to the other county boards/counties. Some counties just don't have the knowledge/experience to deal with the amount of money involved in inter county football and without a strategic plant you're throwing away good money after bad
Like any well run organization a plan/budget should be put together by county boards showing how they would spend the funding. If the county board doesn't have the ability to run a long term scheme like this then maybe approach Croke Park for help with administrating the scheme.
Even with these things in place some county boards will screw it up anyway. There was a long term plan put together by big hitters in Offaly to bring up hurling/football standards through coaching GDOs etc and a presentation made to the county board who said thanks very much and simply ignored it and didn't even try to implement it
Quote from: caprea on November 23, 2020, 12:34:09 PM
Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that. We should be better but we aren't and aren't going to get better with no hope of competing for a province.
My "narrative" Sid is that population is the biggest factor. If you want to disagree with that then fair enough
Kildare unfortunately as I am from kildare are just not very good at football. Our history shows that.
I think your history shows that Kildare was fast becoming a force to be reckoned with in the decade prior to 2005- a seminal year in many ways for Leinster football. You won two Leinsters in that decade and many would say you could/should have won an AI in 2000.
I guess football has regressed a bit since then in the land of the Lilywhites.
The same can be said of the once mighty power, the Royal County.
Meath won three Leinsters in the decade in question- one undeserved one since tells its own tale, Meath like Kildare has fallen on hard times.
While we are on the subject, the same can be said for every other county, bar Dublin.
Laois, Offaly and Westmeath won a title apiece and Wexford and Wicklow showed marked signs of progress.
I think it's fair to say that this particular rising tide lifted all Leinster boats with the possible exception of Carlow and Louth.
To be quite clear, I am not blaming Dublin for the crisis that has come about since 2005.
The Dubs are only doing what any other county would do in similar circumstances. The silence from other county boards has been deafening.
If God helps those who help themselves, surely the same could be said about the GAA?
Quote from: sid waddell on November 23, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 23, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going
The comments above are a good example of this
Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article
Sid, I went on to give solid, cogent reasons for what I said. The stats are there to back me up.
I gave "facts and context."
You came back with a blanker condemnation of what I had to say without backing what you had to say by one iota of fact or reason.
It's me again I'm afraid.
I just want to clear up a misunderstanding as I want to say that the opening paragraph of what Sid quoted above was not directed at any Dub supporter on this board or anywhere else.
Sid, Hound and just about all of the rest can state their position with resorting to obscenities or schoolyard abuse like one particular non-Dub poster has done more than once. (For the curious, that's Armagh 18.)
Quote from: dublin7 on November 23, 2020, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
I've put up the reason they don't want to know. They don't want a fair fight, they want every single factor tilted in their favour before a ball is kicked. You just validate that viewpoint.
It's infuriating when posters won't answer questions when asked. Now you know how people feel when they ask you for answers. Pot, kettle, black spring to mind
I've no problem with Dublin having their funding cut, but it shouldn't just be handed straight over to the other county boards/counties. Some counties just don't have the knowledge/experience to deal with the amount of money involved in inter county football and without a strategic plant you're throwing away good money after bad
Like any well run organization a plan/budget should be put together by county boards showing how they would spend the funding. If the county board doesn't have the ability to run a long term scheme like this then maybe approach Croke Park for help with administrating the scheme.
Even with these things in place some county boards will screw it up anyway. There was a long term plan put together by big hitters in Offaly to bring up hurling/football standards through coaching GDOs etc and a presentation made to the county board who said thanks very much and simply ignored it and didn't even try to implement it
The debate around Dublin's advantages always follow the same path. Dubs will 1st deny any advantage exists - what about kerry/Kilkenny, golden generation, money doesn't kick points, competing sports etc. Eventually they will accept the advantages but other county boards are incompetent so we can't give them any money.
Why did the GAA decide in 2003/04 that Dublin needed to be stronger? The 2nd most successful football county historically and always the top team in Leinster. Why did they get 5m of grants from the government between 2005 and 2009 when everyone else got nothing?
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 23, 2020, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 23, 2020, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
I've put up the reason they don't want to know. They don't want a fair fight, they want every single factor tilted in their favour before a ball is kicked. You just validate that viewpoint.
It's infuriating when posters won't answer questions when asked. Now you know how people feel when they ask you for answers. Pot, kettle, black spring to mind
I've no problem with Dublin having their funding cut, but it shouldn't just be handed straight over to the other county boards/counties. Some counties just don't have the knowledge/experience to deal with the amount of money involved in inter county football and without a strategic plant you're throwing away good money after bad
Like any well run organization a plan/budget should be put together by county boards showing how they would spend the funding. If the county board doesn't have the ability to run a long term scheme like this then maybe approach Croke Park for help with administrating the scheme.
Even with these things in place some county boards will screw it up anyway. There was a long term plan put together by big hitters in Offaly to bring up hurling/football standards through coaching GDOs etc and a presentation made to the county board who said thanks very much and simply ignored it and didn't even try to implement it
The debate around Dublin's advantages always follow the same path. Dubs will 1st deny any advantage exists - what about kerry/Kilkenny, golden generation, money doesn't kick points, competing sports etc. Eventually they will accept the advantages but other county boards are incompetent so we can't give them any money.
Why did the GAA decide in 2003/04 that Dublin needed to be stronger? The 2nd most successful football county historically and always the top team in Leinster. Why did they get 5m of grants from the government between 2005 and 2009 when everyone else got nothing?
Here is your answer. A new Stadium just finished at that time that needed people to fill it!
A half empty Leinster final between Laois and Westmeath was never going to keep the Vendors happy.
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On another note Dublin club football is ridiculously strong. There are three or four teams who would be competitive for the all Ireland. No other county would have that.
Hurling is very strong too.
I don't think kk hurling is a good comparison either. Some of the best ever were in that team. Now they're gone kk aren't the same level at all. An example I would use for Dublin is Bernard brogan and even diarmuid Connolly. When any other county loses a player of the year material player they usually struggle to replace them. Dublin have lost two and not even batted an eyelid. The current dominance has just been a conveyor belt with absolutely no sign of stopping.
Additionally one of the biggest things I find the dubs dominate on is pace and power. You watch say Tyrone and someone like Marty Donnelly. When he plays against anyone bar Dublin his pace and power stand out. When he plays Dublin he is not even as pacy or powerful as Dublin's weakest player. That is not purely down to having the best set of players ever it's the resources they have available.
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 23, 2020, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 23, 2020, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 23, 2020, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.
The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.
And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.
The howl of culchie losers.
I've put up the reason they don't want to know. They don't want a fair fight, they want every single factor tilted in their favour before a ball is kicked. You just validate that viewpoint.
It's infuriating when posters won't answer questions when asked. Now you know how people feel when they ask you for answers. Pot, kettle, black spring to mind
I've no problem with Dublin having their funding cut, but it shouldn't just be handed straight over to the other county boards/counties. Some counties just don't have the knowledge/experience to deal with the amount of money involved in inter county football and without a strategic plant you're throwing away good money after bad
Like any well run organization a plan/budget should be put together by county boards showing how they would spend the funding. If the county board doesn't have the ability to run a long term scheme like this then maybe approach Croke Park for help with administrating the scheme.
Even with these things in place some county boards will screw it up anyway. There was a long term plan put together by big hitters in Offaly to bring up hurling/football standards through coaching GDOs etc and a presentation made to the county board who said thanks very much and simply ignored it and didn't even try to implement it
The debate around Dublin's advantages always follow the same path. Dubs will 1st deny any advantage exists - what about kerry/Kilkenny, golden generation, money doesn't kick points, competing sports etc. Eventually they will accept the advantages but other county boards are incompetent so we can't give them any money.
Why did the GAA decide in 2003/04 that Dublin needed to be stronger? The 2nd most successful football county historically and always the top team in Leinster. Why did they get 5m of grants from the government between 2005 and 2009 when everyone else got nothing?
So your saying GAA HQ should just give county boards a cheque, wish them all the best and say off you go?
I suppose it's a plan of sorts.
Yes, I'm saying they should pay for more qualified coaches in other counties and majorly cut back on this Dublin project before it's too late.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
On another note Dublin club football is ridiculously strong. There are three or four teams who would be competitive for the all Ireland. No other county would have that.
Hurling is very strong too.
I don't think kk hurling is a good comparison either. Some of the best ever were in that team. Now they're gone kk aren't the same level at all. An example I would use for Dublin is Bernard brogan and even diarmuid Connolly. When any other county loses a player of the year material player they usually struggle to replace them. Dublin have lost two and not even batted an eyelid. The current dominance has just been a conveyor belt with absolutely no sign of stopping.
Additionally one of the biggest things I find the dubs dominate on is pace and power. You watch say Tyrone and someone like Marty Donnelly. When he plays against anyone bar Dublin his pace and power stand out. When he plays Dublin he is not even as pacy or powerful as Dublin's weakest player. That is not purely down to having the best set of players ever it's the resources they have available.
Dublin do have a very good strength and conditioning set up but there was nothing stopping Tyrone from having similar
Dublin brought in Martin Kennedy from athletics and he made a massive difference, later Bryan Cullen joined up, Gavin knew the modern game was about speed - and speed of thought
In the 2017 semi-final I thought the running style of the Tyrone players was noticeably more laboured than the Dublin players, even in the first half, by the 2018 All-Ireland I think Tyrone had closed the gap somewhat
Cork seemed to have cracked this as well in hurling in 2017 and 2018 and at their best around that period they were leaping off the turf, but they've really trailed off in the last couple of years for reasons I can't quite understand
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
On another note Dublin club football is ridiculously strong. There are three or four teams who would be competitive for the all Ireland. No other county would have that.
Hurling is very strong too.
I don't think kk hurling is a good comparison either. Some of the best ever were in that team. Now they're gone kk aren't the same level at all. An example I would use for Dublin is Bernard brogan and even diarmuid Connolly. When any other county loses a player of the year material player they usually struggle to replace them. Dublin have lost two and not even batted an eyelid. The current dominance has just been a conveyor belt with absolutely no sign of stopping.
Additionally one of the biggest things I find the dubs dominate on is pace and power. You watch say Tyrone and someone like Marty Donnelly. When he plays against anyone bar Dublin his pace and power stand out. When he plays Dublin he is not even as pacy or powerful as Dublin's weakest player. That is not purely down to having the best set of players ever it's the resources they have available.
Dublin teams have won 4 AI club titles this decade. Behind Galway and the same as Armagh. Admittedly thats an improvement but it isn't exactly scorched earth.
Hurling is not 'very strong'.
How do resources increase pace and power? By that logic any culchie sponsor could write a cheque and win.
After Cuala Dublin club hurling trails off a lot
Neither Crokes nor Boden cut it at Leinster level when they were winning Dublin titles
Cuala's trump card was Con O'Callaghan who just ran straight for goal and buried it, club defences couldn't cope with him at all
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 24, 2020, 01:49:06 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
On another note Dublin club football is ridiculously strong. There are three or four teams who would be competitive for the all Ireland. No other county would have that.
Hurling is very strong too.
I don't think kk hurling is a good comparison either. Some of the best ever were in that team. Now they're gone kk aren't the same level at all. An example I would use for Dublin is Bernard brogan and even diarmuid Connolly. When any other county loses a player of the year material player they usually struggle to replace them. Dublin have lost two and not even batted an eyelid. The current dominance has just been a conveyor belt with absolutely no sign of stopping.
Additionally one of the biggest things I find the dubs dominate on is pace and power. You watch say Tyrone and someone like Marty Donnelly. When he plays against anyone bar Dublin his pace and power stand out. When he plays Dublin he is not even as pacy or powerful as Dublin's weakest player. That is not purely down to having the best set of players ever it's the resources they have available.
Dublin teams have won 4 AI club titles this decade. Behind Galway and the same as Armagh. Admittedly thats an improvement but it isn't exactly scorched earth.
Hurling is not 'very strong'.
How do resources increase pace and power? By that logic any culchie sponsor could write a cheque and win.
How do they not? They are what more professional setups lead to. How much of a cheque would they write and for how long?
Dublin club football is very strong. You only have to watch it on tv to see that it's better standard than anything out there. They should have won more club all Ireland's than they have and to be honest underachieve. How ballymun haven't won one is beyond me. They should actually be a powerhouse.
I would say ballyboden and kilmacaud aren't too bad at the hurling. I think sayin con O'Callaghan just went direct for goals is doing a bit of a disservice to the rest of the team too. That cuala team is a very strong team all round.
I don't buy into the split Dublin crap etc . You've got loads more money and you've used it well but to say other teams aren't trying hard enough is nonsense, it's not comparable to Kilkenny at all and you have won a lot of these with a lot of very different personnel which other counties couldn't. (Being bigger so having more of a pool is a big help too and I still think gavin is way better than given credit for which is odd given he did 5 in a row mind you lol).
I don't think Dublin GAA are able stop the wave now, that's down to desire primarily in my opinion. We all want to win, we're a competitive species ...we enjoy winning, produces dopamine and gives us that good feeling. I know Cluxtons face didn't display it the last day but I'd guess he was happy out inside. They are addicted to winning now that's a big problem allied to all the other issues.
It can start with the little things though, under no circumstances should Dublin play a single game in croke park till leinster final , the croke park home league games included , it is beyond farcical that they have that advantage , one which we can be controlled .
Quote from: larryin89 on November 24, 2020, 07:46:29 AM
It can start with the little things though, under no circumstances should Dublin play a single game in croke park till leinster final , the croke park home league games included , it is beyond farcical that they have that advantage , one which we can be controlled .
Agree totally re Leinster.
The worst thing the Leinster Council have done is when they have finally moved the Dubs out of Croker, they mostly moved to neutral venues instead of giving the opposition home advantage.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 24, 2020, 01:49:06 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
On another note Dublin club football is ridiculously strong. There are three or four teams who would be competitive for the all Ireland. No other county would have that.
Hurling is very strong too.
I don't think kk hurling is a good comparison either. Some of the best ever were in that team. Now they're gone kk aren't the same level at all. An example I would use for Dublin is Bernard brogan and even diarmuid Connolly. When any other county loses a player of the year material player they usually struggle to replace them. Dublin have lost two and not even batted an eyelid. The current dominance has just been a conveyor belt with absolutely no sign of stopping.
Additionally one of the biggest things I find the dubs dominate on is pace and power. You watch say Tyrone and someone like Marty Donnelly. When he plays against anyone bar Dublin his pace and power stand out. When he plays Dublin he is not even as pacy or powerful as Dublin's weakest player. That is not purely down to having the best set of players ever it's the resources they have available.
Dublin teams have won 4 AI club titles this decade. Behind Galway and the same as Armagh. Admittedly thats an improvement but it isn't exactly scorched earth.
Hurling is not 'very strong'.
How do resources increase pace and power? By that logic any culchie sponsor could write a cheque and win.
Exactly. Get a culchie AIG situated in every culchie county to write a cheque for a few million a year. Stop whinging culchies, and just get on with it!
Quote from: Tubberman on November 24, 2020, 09:43:30 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 24, 2020, 01:49:06 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
On another note Dublin club football is ridiculously strong. There are three or four teams who would be competitive for the all Ireland. No other county would have that.
Hurling is very strong too.
I don't think kk hurling is a good comparison either. Some of the best ever were in that team. Now they're gone kk aren't the same level at all. An example I would use for Dublin is Bernard brogan and even diarmuid Connolly. When any other county loses a player of the year material player they usually struggle to replace them. Dublin have lost two and not even batted an eyelid. The current dominance has just been a conveyor belt with absolutely no sign of stopping.
Additionally one of the biggest things I find the dubs dominate on is pace and power. You watch say Tyrone and someone like Marty Donnelly. When he plays against anyone bar Dublin his pace and power stand out. When he plays Dublin he is not even as pacy or powerful as Dublin's weakest player. That is not purely down to having the best set of players ever it's the resources they have available.
Dublin teams have won 4 AI club titles this decade. Behind Galway and the same as Armagh. Admittedly thats an improvement but it isn't exactly scorched earth.
Hurling is not 'very strong'.
How do resources increase pace and power? By that logic any culchie sponsor could write a cheque and win.
Exactly. Get a culchie AIG situated in every culchie county to write a cheque for a few million a year. Stop whinging culchies, and just get on with it!
Its the logical extrapolation of 'its just about resources' line
The cries years ago about the GAA needs a strong capital, Dublin, that would have been true enough, they were competitive, but with the population they had they should have been cleaning up most years.
That didn't happen as much, the likes of Meath Kildare Offlay Laois and Westmeath were competing.
What encountered for Dublin though was the popularity of Big Jack and the soccer, now I could (and will be corrected no doubt) be wrong but I had a feeling that the GAA clubs were not getting as many numbers through in the late 90's early 2000?
So I assume that the powers that be decided to increase the playing numbers at juvenile level and throw money at this. I thought at the time that this was a good thing, increased GAA members and all that.
Now that we are at the point were the other teams (mentioned above) have fallen away, the Dubs for 15 years have sat proudly at the top..
Money can bring a lot, better training facilities, after dinner meals, physios, training plans and use of a S&C coach, free memberships of gyms
Out of the things I've mentioned above, which counties can't provide the above and if its different, how different is it?
For me the biggest thing as to why Dublin are so much better, they have the biggest pool and lots of decent competitive clubs to pull from, some teams have senior, senior b, seconds, Junior A and junior B. that's a lot to pick from and a platform for kids to develop.
They always had the bigger numbers but with a strategic plan (more money) they have been able harness that pool of players and pick the best.
Should the dominance continue, say for another 5 years and show no signs of changing, then I would possibly go for the split idea, though I doubt Dublin would.
In the meantime, counties need to look at the format used and ask for the same treatment, collectively they should achieve that, all of it should be based on numbers though. Fermanagh should not have or need the same budget of Dublin
a good championship that keeps fans intrigue and willing to watch you need about 6 to 8 teams at least capable of winning it a 2 horse race is no good either for competitive balance no one wants to see Dublin and Kerry trade titles between each other either.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
The cries years ago about the GAA needs a strong capital, Dublin, that would have been true enough, they were competitive, but with the population they had they should have been cleaning up most years.
That didn't happen as much, the likes of Meath Kildare Offlay Laois and Westmeath were competing.
What encountered for Dublin though was the popularity of Big Jack and the soccer, now I could (and will be corrected no doubt) be wrong but I had a feeling that the GAA clubs were not getting as many numbers through in the late 90's early 2000?
So I assume that the powers that be decided to increase the playing numbers at juvenile level and throw money at this. I thought at the time that this was a good thing, increased GAA members and all that.
Now that we are at the point were the other teams (mentioned above) have fallen away, the Dubs for 15 years have sat proudly at the top..
Money can bring a lot, better training facilities, after dinner meals, physios, training plans and use of a S&C coach, free memberships of gyms
Out of the things I've mentioned above, which counties can't provide the above and if its different, how different is it?
For me the biggest thing as to why Dublin are so much better, they have the biggest pool and lots of decent competitive clubs to pull from, some teams have senior, senior b, seconds, Junior A and junior B. that's a lot to pick from and a platform for kids to develop.
They always had the bigger numbers but with a strategic plan (more money) they have been able harness that pool of players and pick the best.
Should the dominance continue, say for another 5 years and show no signs of changing, then I would possibly go for the split idea, though I doubt Dublin would.
In the meantime, counties need to look at the format used and ask for the same treatment, collectively they should achieve that, all of it should be based on numbers though. Fermanagh should not have or need the same budget of Dublin
So Fermanagh should be doubly screwed because of their population. Dublin are financially self-sufficient, it's counties like Leitrim, Fermanagh, Longford and co who have very little commercial backing that are the ones who need huge financial aid and support from the GAA. Between the economics and opportunities for young men to retain promising footballers and not lose them after their underage career is paramount.
What you have just supported is a rambing, illogical piece of gibberish focused on making the stronger counties stronger and the weaker counties weaker. Those at a natural disadvantage should be supported first.
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 02:13:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
The cries years ago about the GAA needs a strong capital, Dublin, that would have been true enough, they were competitive, but with the population they had they should have been cleaning up most years.
That didn't happen as much, the likes of Meath Kildare Offlay Laois and Westmeath were competing.
What encountered for Dublin though was the popularity of Big Jack and the soccer, now I could (and will be corrected no doubt) be wrong but I had a feeling that the GAA clubs were not getting as many numbers through in the late 90's early 2000?
So I assume that the powers that be decided to increase the playing numbers at juvenile level and throw money at this. I thought at the time that this was a good thing, increased GAA members and all that.
Now that we are at the point were the other teams (mentioned above) have fallen away, the Dubs for 15 years have sat proudly at the top..
Money can bring a lot, better training facilities, after dinner meals, physios, training plans and use of a S&C coach, free memberships of gyms
Out of the things I've mentioned above, which counties can't provide the above and if its different, how different is it?
For me the biggest thing as to why Dublin are so much better, they have the biggest pool and lots of decent competitive clubs to pull from, some teams have senior, senior b, seconds, Junior A and junior B. that's a lot to pick from and a platform for kids to develop.
They always had the bigger numbers but with a strategic plan (more money) they have been able harness that pool of players and pick the best.
Should the dominance continue, say for another 5 years and show no signs of changing, then I would possibly go for the split idea, though I doubt Dublin would.
In the meantime, counties need to look at the format used and ask for the same treatment, collectively they should achieve that, all of it should be based on numbers though. Fermanagh should not have or need the same budget of Dublin
So Fermanagh should be doubly screwed because of their population. Dublin are financially self-sufficient, it's counties like Leitrim, Fermanagh, Longford and co who have very little commercial backing that are the ones who need huge financial aid and support from the GAA. Between the economics and opportunities for young men to retain promising footballers and not lose them after their underage career is paramount.
What you have just supported is a rambing, illogical piece of gibberish focused on making the stronger counties stronger and the weaker counties weaker. Those at a natural disadvantage should be supported first.
Its based of membership, what would Fermanagh do with the money Dublin gets? If Dublin is self sufficient then why do the GAA continue to support them?
I've highlighted the bit in bold just in case you didn't read it, the playing membership is huge in Dublin than Fermanagh, if you are suggesting that Fermanagh get the same money then you are a nut!
If all the counties get the same treatment then there will be no excuse.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on November 23, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
On another note Dublin club football is ridiculously strong. There are three or four teams who would be competitive for the all Ireland. No other county would have that.
Hurling is very strong too.
I don't think kk hurling is a good comparison either. Some of the best ever were in that team. Now they're gone kk aren't the same level at all. An example I would use for Dublin is Bernard brogan and even diarmuid Connolly. When any other county loses a player of the year material player they usually struggle to replace them. Dublin have lost two and not even batted an eyelid. The current dominance has just been a conveyor belt with absolutely no sign of stopping.
Additionally one of the biggest things I find the dubs dominate on is pace and power. You watch say Tyrone and someone like Marty Donnelly. When he plays against anyone bar Dublin his pace and power stand out. When he plays Dublin he is not even as pacy or powerful as Dublin's weakest player. That is not purely down to having the best set of players ever it's the resources they have available.
Dublin teams have won 4 AI club titles this decade. Behind Galway and the same as Armagh. Admittedly thats an improvement but it isn't exactly scorched earth.
Hurling is not 'very strong'.
How do resources increase pace and power? By that logic any culchie sponsor could write a cheque and win.
Exactly. Get a culchie AIG situated in every culchie county to write a cheque for a few million a year. Stop whinging culchies, and just get on with it!
Its the logical extrapolation of 'its just about resources' line
Yes it is. My comments didn't say it was just about resources if you're referring to it. You have the footballers too but a key attribute in footballers these days is athleticism which is greatly enhanced by a hugely professional setup. Most teams can't compete with you athletically never mind in football terms. Some can now and again. That is something that takes years to setup and involves a lot of knowhow. As someone said to me if you look historically at the conditioning of teams then the difference in this Dublin team is "lean muscle mass". Other teams have done huge amounts of conditioning but ended up trading off athleticism for power. Dublin have never done that. I am not expert enough in sports science to know what they have done that others haven't but clearly most other trainers aren't either or the difference wouldn't be so vast.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 02:32:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 02:13:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
The cries years ago about the GAA needs a strong capital, Dublin, that would have been true enough, they were competitive, but with the population they had they should have been cleaning up most years.
That didn't happen as much, the likes of Meath Kildare Offlay Laois and Westmeath were competing.
What encountered for Dublin though was the popularity of Big Jack and the soccer, now I could (and will be corrected no doubt) be wrong but I had a feeling that the GAA clubs were not getting as many numbers through in the late 90's early 2000?
So I assume that the powers that be decided to increase the playing numbers at juvenile level and throw money at this. I thought at the time that this was a good thing, increased GAA members and all that.
Now that we are at the point were the other teams (mentioned above) have fallen away, the Dubs for 15 years have sat proudly at the top..
Money can bring a lot, better training facilities, after dinner meals, physios, training plans and use of a S&C coach, free memberships of gyms
Out of the things I've mentioned above, which counties can't provide the above and if its different, how different is it?
For me the biggest thing as to why Dublin are so much better, they have the biggest pool and lots of decent competitive clubs to pull from, some teams have senior, senior b, seconds, Junior A and junior B. that's a lot to pick from and a platform for kids to develop.
They always had the bigger numbers but with a strategic plan (more money) they have been able harness that pool of players and pick the best.
Should the dominance continue, say for another 5 years and show no signs of changing, then I would possibly go for the split idea, though I doubt Dublin would.
In the meantime, counties need to look at the format used and ask for the same treatment, collectively they should achieve that, all of it should be based on numbers though. Fermanagh should not have or need the same budget of Dublin
So Fermanagh should be doubly screwed because of their population. Dublin are financially self-sufficient, it's counties like Leitrim, Fermanagh, Longford and co who have very little commercial backing that are the ones who need huge financial aid and support from the GAA. Between the economics and opportunities for young men to retain promising footballers and not lose them after their underage career is paramount.
What you have just supported is a rambing, illogical piece of gibberish focused on making the stronger counties stronger and the weaker counties weaker. Those at a natural disadvantage should be supported first.
Its based of membership, what would Fermanagh do with the money Dublin gets? If Dublin is self sufficient then why do the GAA continue to support them?
I've highlighted the bit in bold just in case you didn't read it, the playing membership is huge in Dublin than Fermanagh, if you are suggesting that Fermanagh get the same money then you are a nut!
If all the counties get the same treatment then there will be no excuse.
Improve facilities and welfare of their players and the costs of running county teams - counties like Leitrim, Fermanagh, Longford etc all run their teams on a fraction of the budget Dublin do - yet that's the benchmark. Fermanagh have lads coming from all corners of the island to play football for their team, an awful lot of the time probably at great expense to themselves and the county board. They had Che Cullen, one of their best players coming from Budapest to play matches last year - why? Because a county like Fermanagh can ill afford to lose a player of Cullen's ability. For small counties like Leitrim, Fermanagh and Longford they need every helping hand they can get. Ricey had to look to a number of Tyrone clubs to facilitate Fermanagh training in the winter months. Fermanagh have no centre of excellence, they have the smallest GAA numbers in the country, consistently punch above their weight but are a prime example of a county who are consistently ignored by GAA HQ.
But you think the GAA should keep on funding a county that already gets huge commercial investment through sponsorship, who have their county squad wheeling about in sponsored motors with paleo food delivered to their doors who most have ambassadorial jobs and all the other perks along with additional funding?
Dublin GAA are well able to look after themselves funding wise and they should not need the GAA further looking after them, they should be investing in smaller/weaker counties who are going to struggle to keep their players involved after underage when they have to go off and further their studies and seek employment. There's not many Leitrim players who will get ambassadorial jobs like the majority of the Dublin team.
Angelo you are either blind, stupid or deaf..
Counties need to look at the format used and ask for the same treatment, collectively they should achieve that..
That's a statement in my post, they should be getting money based on their numbers and requirements, giving a county the size of Fermanagh (based on their numbers) the money Dublin gets, is reckless, as much as Fermanagh would bite your arm off for that, its not proportionally correct.
I fail to see how you don't see that..
. There's not many Leitrim players who will get ambassadorial jobs like the majority of the Dublin team.
Hmm. I'd love to see you in charge of Cluxton's classes in St. David's CBS for example. Culchie bollixology.
Quote from: northsideboy on November 24, 2020, 04:51:33 PM
. There's not many Leitrim players who will get ambassadorial jobs like the majority of the Dublin team.
Hmm. I'd love to see you in charge of Cluxton's classes in St. David's CBS for example. Culchie bollixology.
Cluxton teacher
Small bank official
Fenton physio
Rock leisure centre job
Mccaffery doctor
Mannion Consulting Analyst
Some students there also but I'm sure some from the blue army could post up all their jobs.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: northsideboy on November 24, 2020, 04:51:33 PM
. There's not many Leitrim players who will get ambassadorial jobs like the majority of the Dublin team.
Hmm. I'd love to see you in charge of Cluxton's classes in St. David's CBS for example. Culchie bollixology.
Cluxton teacher
Small bank official
Fenton physio
Rock leisure centre job
Mccaffery doctor
Mannion Consulting Analyst
Some students there also but I'm sure some from the blue army could post up all their jobs.
They used have player pics and bios for all the players on the Dublin GAA website. Don't know if it's still there.
For the idiots who think the dubs are all professional footballers a few more:
Fitzsimmons - physio
Cian O'Sullivan - tax consultant
McCarthy - works for AIB
MDMA - gave up a job as a primary school teacher and now works in Dublin inner city with communities and regeneration projects.
The Dublin players work hard, but do the basics right. Alot of the Dublin and Kerry players are two footed. Why do counties like Mayo produce defenders/midfielders on a consistent basis but can't find good forwards never mind forwards who can kick with both feet. That has to be a coaching issue.
Dubs have an intensity and work ethic money can't buy. They've been in some wars with Mayo/Kerry in the last decade and never lost any of them despite the hunger and desire of teams like Mayo. Compare that to Donegal who have some lovely footballers, but in the big games against Mayo and Cavan the last few years their big players (bar Michael Murphy) have wilted and disappeared when the pressure comes on
That's incorrect , murphy wasn't much use in casltlebar last year or last Sunday.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: northsideboy on November 24, 2020, 04:51:33 PM
. There's not many Leitrim players who will get ambassadorial jobs like the majority of the Dublin team.
Hmm. I'd love to see you in charge of Cluxton's classes in St. David's CBS for example. Culchie bollixology.
Cluxton teacher
Small bank official
Fenton physio
Rock leisure centre job
Mccaffery doctor
Mannion Consulting Analyst
Some students there also but I'm sure some from the blue army could post up all their jobs.
They used have player pics and bios for all the players on the Dublin GAA website. Don't know if it's still there.
For the idiots who think the dubs are all professional footballers a few more:
Fitzsimmons - physio
Cian O'Sullivan - tax consultant
McCarthy - works for AIB
MDMA - gave up a job as a primary school teacher and now works in Dublin inner city with communities and regeneration projects.
The Dublin players work hard, but do the basics right. Alot of the Dublin and Kerry players are two footed. Why do counties like Mayo produce defenders/midfielders on a consistent basis but can't find good forwards never mind forwards who can kick with both feet. That has to be a coaching issue.
Dubs have an intensity and work ethic money can't buy. They've been in some wars with Mayo/Kerry in the last decade and never lost any of them despite the hunger and desire of teams like Mayo. Compare that to Donegal who have some lovely footballers, but in the big games against Mayo and Cavan the last few years their big players (bar Michael Murphy) have wilted and disappeared when the pressure comes on
It takes at least 10nyears to form a player capable of winning an all Ireland. Other counties find nuggets. Dublin have a conveyor belt.
Mayo had one team from 2012 to 2018
They grew old together. The standard fell.
Dublin have had 3 teams since 2009.
That's what the money.means
.
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
To be fair Dublin are the first perfect GAA team there's ever being, the players on the field and on bench are all almost perfect athletes with maybe one or two exceptions, I'm thinking paddy Andrew's and Kevin Mcmanamon and murchan (only because he is a lot shorter than an average intercounty player) wouldn't have perfect athletic physiques but the rest do.
They are perfect footballers as well with very few if any weaknesses in their skill set.
All the players have all the tools. They are total footballers who can play in any position and be comfortable on the field. The only exception would be Michael Dara mcauley who had quite a limited skill set but is an effective team player.
This is not what county teams used to be. Tyrone were the team of the 00s along with Kerry but there lads on the team that weren't perfectly athletic. An example would be Conor Gormley. The likes of Kevin Hughes or quite a few other examples weren't great kickers of a football but they were there to fulfill a role and get the ball to the danger men.
Dublin are remarkable in that you are watching as close to professional perfection as any team will ever get to.
In comparison Mayo are a normal good GAA team but have players with weaknesses that can be exploited.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers
I don't think Kilkenny has a job, he worked in 3 for a while,, not aware of any others.
But this is a nonsense side track of an argument anyway.
Quote from: caprea on November 24, 2020, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers
I don't think Kilkenny has a job, he worked in 3 for a while,, not aware of any others.
But this is a nonsense side track of an argument anyway.
Ciaran Kilkenny is teaching in Ongar. Hill16 profiles are out of date. Brian Fenton is sales rep though I think was doing back physio for a while. Micky Fitz is now a doctor. Dean Rock is fundraising manager for Stewart's Hospital
Quote from: Gael85 on November 24, 2020, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 24, 2020, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers
I don't think Kilkenny has a job, he worked in 3 for a while,, not aware of any others.
But this is a nonsense side track of an argument anyway.
Ciaran Kilkenny is teaching in Blanchardstown.
Fair enough, I stand corrected.
Trying to do down Dublin's players is pathetic. They are good individuals away from football and haven't brought a ounce of controversy on themselves away from the field except for Connolly I guess but overall they can't be criticized.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
It's a handy myth to throw about, fits in well with professional Dublin team.
Counties need as a bare minimum
A centre of excellence
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces
Doctors and physios for every game and physio sessions at training
Free gym membership
Access to S&C sessions
Meals after training and games
Training and playing kit
Medical cover
Would the likes of Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Kildare, Meath, Cork, Kerry Mayo, Galway have these things?
What is it that Dublin has more of?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
It's a handy myth to throw about, fits in well with professional Dublin team.
Counties need as a bare minimum
A centre of excellence
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces
Doctors and physios for every game and physio sessions at training
Free gym membership
Access to S&C sessions
Meals after training and games
Training and playing kit
Medical cover
Would the likes of Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Kildare, Meath, Cork, Kerry Mayo, Galway have these things?
What is it that Dublin has more of?
People 1.4m
Players 39,000
Money €??????????????????
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2020, 08:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
It's a handy myth to throw about, fits in well with professional Dublin team.
Counties need as a bare minimum
A centre of excellence
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces
Doctors and physios for every game and physio sessions at training
Free gym membership
Access to S&C sessions
Meals after training and games
Training and playing kit
Medical cover
Would the likes of Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Kildare, Meath, Cork, Kerry Mayo, Galway have these things?
What is it that Dublin has more of?
People 1.4m
Players 39,000
Money €??????????????????
I've covered population.... they had huge population for years I think...
The money... so what does it cover I haven't put up on that list?
It's kind of funny that people say kildare and meath should be better because they have large populations.
Dublin's population increase since 1990 is larger the meath or kildare's present total population.
The crux of the advantage is population, not funding. The funding disparity is huge but not a big factor in Dublins domination.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2020, 08:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
It's a handy myth to throw about, fits in well with professional Dublin team.
Counties need as a bare minimum
A centre of excellence
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces
Doctors and physios for every game and physio sessions at training
Free gym membership
Access to S&C sessions
Meals after training and games
Training and playing kit
Medical cover
Would the likes of Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Kildare, Meath, Cork, Kerry Mayo, Galway have these things?
What is it that Dublin has more of?
People 1.4m
Players 39,000
Money €??????????????????
More home games.
More opportunities career wise to stay in their county.
More time not spent travelling to training and games.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2020, 08:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
It's a handy myth to throw about, fits in well with professional Dublin team.
Counties need as a bare minimum
A centre of excellence
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces
Doctors and physios for every game and physio sessions at training
Free gym membership
Access to S&C sessions
Meals after training and games
Training and playing kit
Medical cover
Would the likes of Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Kildare, Meath, Cork, Kerry Mayo, Galway have these things?
What is it that Dublin has more of?
People 1.4m
Players 39,000
Money €??????????????????
More home games.
More opportunities career wise to stay in their county.
More time not spent travelling to training and games.
More home games because they play their championship games at Croke?
Most league games at Parnell, Championship games at Croke is only available if you are winning.
None of that makes better footballers, If thats the case Dublin would never have lost a game 20 30 years ago
You're going to have to come up with better reasons ..
so on my list, which counties don't have that?
It's amazing to think that if Meath had a development strategy or if Laois had players with drive they could have won Leinster.
When did dublin last play league games at PP
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2020, 08:38:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
You're going to have to come up with better reasons ..
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The idea that anyone, even god almighty, could come up with any reasons to convince Dublin fans they have an advantage is a amusing one.
Dublin fans follow a policy of deny, deflection, deny, deflection, deny, deflection and they are right to do so.
I thought they played Meath there in October?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I thought they played Meath there in October?
How did they get on in their other League games in Parnell Park this year?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I thought they played Meath there in October?
How did they get on in their other League games in Parnell Park this year?
They played Galway 10 years ago, then the Spring games were played, great nights out at headquarters. Tipp v Dublin, Dublin v Cork was one of the nights I was there.
But they have played 34 odd games out of Dublin
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I thought they played Meath there in October?
How did they get on in their other League games in Parnell Park this year?
They played Galway 10 years ago, then the Spring games were played, great nights out at headquarters. Tipp v Dublin, Dublin v Cork was one of the nights I was there.
But they have played 34 odd games out of Dublin
So did they play in Croke Park in the League this year?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I thought they played Meath there in October?
How did they get on in their other League games in Parnell Park this year?
They played Galway 10 years ago, then the Spring games were played, great nights out at headquarters. Tipp v Dublin, Dublin v Cork was one of the nights I was there.
But they have played 34 odd games out of Dublin
So did they play in Croke Park in the League this year?
Did they not play Meath?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/dublin-meath/1739305/
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: northsideboy on November 24, 2020, 04:51:33 PM
. There's not many Leitrim players who will get ambassadorial jobs like the majority of the Dublin team.
Hmm. I'd love to see you in charge of Cluxton's classes in St. David's CBS for example. Culchie bollixology.
Cluxton teacher
Small bank official
Fenton physio
Rock leisure centre job
Mccaffery doctor
Mannion Consulting Analyst
Some students there also but I'm sure some from the blue army could post up all their jobs.
Fenton does not work as a physio, he is a sales exec/rep of some sort - quick linkedin check confirms that
McCaffrey stepped away from the panel this year when he started work as a doctor
Banks are generally go to employers for a lot of players historically, it's a no/low show job generally
Don't know what Rock does
I don't want to get into digging out individual players but we know how it works for a lot of these guys, the big names get some plush show job where it's really them being put on the payroll to garner good PR from their rep or big companies obliging their links with GAA by association. It most counties you'll get 4 or 5 big names rewarded this way. For Dublin, they can get their whole panel sorted with a fairly well paid job that effectively allows them to commit to being full time athletes. Not to mention these lads don't have to be travelling back from Dublin like a lot of the Mayo players were having to.
Dublin have all the advantages and you just want to maintain that with disproportionate funding, it's odd. Are you just a converted Dublin fan?
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. There's not many Leitrim players who will get ambassadorial jobs like the majority of the Dublin team.
Hmm. I'd love to see you in charge of Cluxton's classes in St. David's CBS for example. Culchie bollixology.
Cluxton teacher
Small bank official
Fenton physio
Rock leisure centre job
Mccaffery doctor
Mannion Consulting Analyst
Some students there also but I'm sure some from the blue army could post up all their jobs.
They used have player pics and bios for all the players on the Dublin GAA website. Don't know if it's still there.
For the idiots who think the dubs are all professional footballers a few more:
Fitzsimmons - physio
Cian O'Sullivan - tax consultant
McCarthy - works for AIB
MDMA - gave up a job as a primary school teacher and now works in Dublin inner city with communities and regeneration projects.
The Dublin players work hard, but do the basics right. Alot of the Dublin and Kerry players are two footed. Why do counties like Mayo produce defenders/midfielders on a consistent basis but can't find good forwards never mind forwards who can kick with both feet. That has to be a coaching issue.
Dubs have an intensity and work ethic money can't buy. They've been in some wars with Mayo/Kerry in the last decade and never lost any of them despite the hunger and desire of teams like Mayo. Compare that to Donegal who have some lovely footballers, but in the big games against Mayo and Cavan the last few years their big players (bar Michael Murphy) have wilted and disappeared when the pressure comes on
Good one.
A lot of Dublin players seem to be able to give up their jobs. You might get 4 or 5 of those in any given county who get landed into a job on the basis of their status, Dublin have a full panel of them.
Dublin have all the advantages that money does buy them in addition to everything else you try and fob off with lame excuses.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:37:13 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I thought they played Meath there in October?
How did they get on in their other League games in Parnell Park this year?
They played Galway 10 years ago, then the Spring games were played, great nights out at headquarters. Tipp v Dublin, Dublin v Cork was one of the nights I was there.
But they have played 34 odd games out of Dublin
So did they play in Croke Park in the League this year?
Did they not play Meath?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/dublin-meath/1739305/
Yes, they played Meath in Parnell Park because of Covid! One game in 10 years!
So did they play in Croke Park in the League this year?
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers
Real jobs?????????
Aye good one, can you say it with a straight face? ;D
Sponsored cars and "real jobs".
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:37:13 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I thought they played Meath there in October?
How did they get on in their other League games in Parnell Park this year?
They played Galway 10 years ago, then the Spring games were played, great nights out at headquarters. Tipp v Dublin, Dublin v Cork was one of the nights I was there.
But they have played 34 odd games out of Dublin
So did they play in Croke Park in the League this year?
Did they not play Meath?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/dublin-meath/1739305/
You're not answering the question.
Croke Park is Dublin's nominated home ground, that is not up for debate under any particular circumstance.
Real Madrid are playing matches at their training ground while no spectators can attend.
It's sad to see you reduce yourself to a Dublin propagandist.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Is that you Donald?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Tiarnan McCann is a pharmacist in Dublin.
Majority of Tyrone panel is comprised of students and teachers. We must have 10+ teachers on it
Morgan
Harte
Sludden
Bradley
McGeary
Meyler
C McCann
Rafferty
and a few others came out of Marys.
McCurry is a plumber
Rory Brennan is a software engineer
Ben McDonnell a trainee accountant
Think HP McGeary is also a plumber
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I thought they played Meath there in October?
How did they get on in their other League games in Parnell Park this year?
They played Galway 10 years ago, then the Spring games were played, great nights out at headquarters. Tipp v Dublin, Dublin v Cork was one of the nights I was there.
But they have played 34 odd games out of Dublin
So did they play in Croke Park in the League this year?
Did they not play Meath?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/dublin-meath/1739305/
You're not answering the question.
Croke Park is Dublin's nominated home ground, that is not up for debate under any particular circumstance.
Real Madrid are playing matches at their training ground while no spectators can attend.
It's sad to see you reduce yourself to a Dublin propagandist.
Yes Dublin played at Croke. Croke is in Dublin and Dublin are from Dublin
It's sad that Tyrone have all the things on my list I put up and couldn't beat Donegal who were comprehensively beaten by Cavan while down 1 player for 20 minutes!
And teachers on the Tyrone panel, handy enough for the interviews on that one, job for the boys and off during championships, even more reason to be competitive
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:31:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
I thought they played Meath there in October?
How did they get on in their other League games in Parnell Park this year?
They played Galway 10 years ago, then the Spring games were played, great nights out at headquarters. Tipp v Dublin, Dublin v Cork was one of the nights I was there.
But they have played 34 odd games out of Dublin
So did they play in Croke Park in the League this year?
Did they not play Meath?
https://www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/dublin-meath/1739305/
You're not answering the question.
Croke Park is Dublin's nominated home ground, that is not up for debate under any particular circumstance.
Real Madrid are playing matches at their training ground while no spectators can attend.
It's sad to see you reduce yourself to a Dublin propagandist.
Yes Dublin played at Croke. Croke is in Dublin and Dublin are from Dublin
It's sad that Tyrone have all the things on my list I put up and couldn't beat Donegal who were comprehensively beaten by Cavan while down 1 player for 20 minutes!
And teachers on the Tyrone panel, handy enough for the interviews on that one, job for the boys and off during championships, even more reason to be competitive
As much as teachers do very little, anybody can go and do it if they want. You have to go to university and gain a specific qualification to do so.
Not everyone can get lumped into a no show ambassadorial job like the vast majority of the Dublin panel seem to do.
Tyrone, Cavan and Donegal do not enjoy the funding and additional benefits Dublin GAA players do. Dublin GAA are completely and utterly unique in this regard and you're defending it like a Dublin propagandist.
I'll ask again the majority of the Dublin team... that's about 10 out 15 are paid for by Croke Park or Dublin GAA?
Has Tyrone got the things I've listed?
I think most of us are smart enough to know how it works with Dublin.
Talented player comes in the panel and they say they are not able to give it the required commitment due to work demands or that. If management sees them as an important part they will tell them not to worry and sort them out with a fairly well paid no/low show job. That's how it works for Dublin.
There will be a certain amount of that in other counties but there will also be loads of lads working actual jobs commuting hours to training from their real actual 9-5 jobs elsewhere. Leitrim were in a Div 4 final last year and got a bit of coverage of it. Around 17 of their panel were working and living up in Dublin.
The people who are actually trying to defend the funding imbalance here do nothing more than to insult the intelligence of every poster on this board.
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
I think most of us are smart enough to know how it works with Dublin.
Talented player comes in the panel and they say they are not able to give it the required commitment due to work demands or that. If management sees them as an important part they will tell them not to worry and sort them out with a fairly well paid no/low show job. That's how it works for Dublin.
There will be a certain amount of that in other counties but there will also be loads of lads working actual jobs commuting hours to training from their real actual 9-5 jobs elsewhere. Leitrim were in a Div 4 final last year and got a bit of coverage of it. Around 17 of their panel were working and living up in Dublin.
The people who are actually trying to defend the funding imbalance here do nothing more than to insult the intelligence of every poster on this board.
You've still not highlighted one of how it works!! Let's assume people don't know. Please come out and tell us. But at the same time saying other counties do it ;D
So one last time please, do Tyrone not have the things I mentioned on my list? And if they do, what's their reasons for being so poor this year?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:05:40 PM
I'll ask again the majority of the Dublin team... that's about 10 out 15 are paid for by Croke Park or Dublin GAA?
Has Tyrone got the things I've listed?
Tyrone's spend per county team is consistently well down the list.
(https://www.independent.ie/incoming/c3de2/36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w1000/GAA%20costs.png)
Tyrone's funding is well down the list. Many of Tyrone's players work away from home and have genuine jobs.
The same things that apply to Tyrone there generally apply to 30 of the other 32 counties as well.
You seem to be trying to deflect away from the unique circumstances which already give Dublin serious advantages and are only further enabled by disproportionate funding from GAA HQ. Why you're doing that I don't know but the spin you're trying to put on is insulting the intelligence of posters in this board.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:14:31 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
I think most of us are smart enough to know how it works with Dublin.
Talented player comes in the panel and they say they are not able to give it the required commitment due to work demands or that. If management sees them as an important part they will tell them not to worry and sort them out with a fairly well paid no/low show job. That's how it works for Dublin.
There will be a certain amount of that in other counties but there will also be loads of lads working actual jobs commuting hours to training from their real actual 9-5 jobs elsewhere. Leitrim were in a Div 4 final last year and got a bit of coverage of it. Around 17 of their panel were working and living up in Dublin.
The people who are actually trying to defend the funding imbalance here do nothing more than to insult the intelligence of every poster on this board.
You've still not highlighted one of how it works!! Let's assume people don't know. Please come out and tell us. But at the same time saying other counties do it ;D
So one last time please, do Tyrone not have the things I mentioned on my list? And if they do, what's their reasons for being so poor this year?
Not to the same degree, it's miles apart. Dublin GAA are in a position to enable their squad to be full time athletes, no other county is in this position.
And as much as you want to spin and bullshit your way around this fact, you can't.
It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.
In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.
In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.
Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.
None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.
I'll ask one more time otherwise I'll not debate with you, as you are avoiding by saying they are full time athletes, they ain't.. teachers have it easier
Do Tyrone have the things I've mentioned? It's a simple yes or no. Even for you it's simple
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.
In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.
In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.
Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.
None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.
Loads of spin there.
Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.
Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.
That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.
In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.
As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 24, 2020, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Is that you Donald?
Is that you Ewan?
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
I think most of us are smart enough to know how it works with Dublin.
Talented player comes in the panel and they say they are not able to give it the required commitment due to work demands or that. If management sees them as an important part they will tell them not to worry and sort them out with a fairly well paid no/low show job. That's how it works for Dublin.
There will be a certain amount of that in other counties but there will also be loads of lads working actual jobs commuting hours to training from their real actual 9-5 jobs elsewhere. Leitrim were in a Div 4 final last year and got a bit of coverage of it. Around 17 of their panel were working and living up in Dublin.
The people who are actually trying to defend the funding imbalance here do nothing more than to insult the intelligence of every poster on this board.
Stephen Cluton teaches physics and science. Do you think the school principal would allow him to take a few weeks off or not show up for work as playing for Dublin is more important. (Not that he'd even consider it)
Based on the Covid threads I thought you were just one of those conspiracy nuts who's full of nonsense. No sensible person could honestly believe your theory
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:09:46 PM
I think most of us are smart enough to know how it works with Dublin.
Talented player comes in the panel and they say they are not able to give it the required commitment due to work demands or that. If management sees them as an important part they will tell them not to worry and sort them out with a fairly well paid no/low show job. That's how it works for Dublin.
There will be a certain amount of that in other counties but there will also be loads of lads working actual jobs commuting hours to training from their real actual 9-5 jobs elsewhere. Leitrim were in a Div 4 final last year and got a bit of coverage of it. Around 17 of their panel were working and living up in Dublin.
The people who are actually trying to defend the funding imbalance here do nothing more than to insult the intelligence of every poster on this board.
Stephen Cluton teaches physics and science. Do you think the school principal would allow him to take a few weeks off or not show up for work as playing for Dublin is more important. (Not that he'd even consider it)
Based on the Covid threads I thought you were just one of those conspiracy nuts who's full of nonsense. No sensible person could honestly believe your theory
More grist to the mill
Angelo doesn't believe in science
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:19:25 PM
I'll ask one more time otherwise I'll not debate with you, as you are avoiding by saying they are full time athletes, they ain't.. teachers have it easier
Do Tyrone have the things I've mentioned? It's a simple yes or no. Even for you it's simple
All you have served to do in this debate is evade the hard questions and you've done this by spin. What you have proven here is that you have absolutely no interest in discussing the imbalance and serve to deflect away from it with spin.
Dublin GAA are in effect full time athletes with the vast majority of them having token jobs. That's the reality and weave all the bullshit and spin you want, that is it.
Teachers have it easy but teachers have to gain a qualification to teach, they have to go to university and get their teaching degree, there is a standardised payscale and working hours that is not unique to GAA players, it's across the board.
GAA players have long gotten cushy jobs where they get well paid and only have to turn up now and again. It's usually the high profile guys but it's never been pretty much a full squad or to the sheer degree it is with Dublin right now.
How many other counties have their full panels living and working in their own county on a full time basis? Zero I'd guess.
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.
In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.
In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.
Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.
None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.
Loads of spin there.
Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.
Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.
That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.
In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.
As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.
Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts
At that last post... oh my god
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.
In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.
In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.
Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.
None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.
Loads of spin there.
Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.
Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.
That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.
In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.
As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.
Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts
At that last post... oh my god
Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.
Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.
Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Tiarnan McCann is a pharmacist in Dublin.
Majority of Tyrone panel is comprised of students and teachers. We must have 10+ teachers on it
Morgan
Harte
Sludden
Bradley
McGeary
Meyler
C McCann
Rafferty
and a few others came out of Marys.
McCurry is a plumber
Rory Brennan is a software engineer
Ben McDonnell a trainee accountant
Think HP McGeary is also a plumber
You despise students and teachers, don't you? You think they're lazy and work shy
I suppose then according to your logic (not mine) that would explain why the Tyrone team can't challenge Dublin - too many students and teachers who are simply not willing to put in the work
I've great regard for teachers by the way and value education so would strongly encourage young people to go to college
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.
In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.
In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.
Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.
None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.
Loads of spin there.
Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.
Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.
That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.
In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.
As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.
Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts
At that last post... oh my god
Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.
Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.
Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?
Martin Kennedy left Dublin GAA to go to Irish rugby
Quote from: sid waddell on November 24, 2020, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Tiarnan McCann is a pharmacist in Dublin.
Majority of Tyrone panel is comprised of students and teachers. We must have 10+ teachers on it
Morgan
Harte
Sludden
Bradley
McGeary
Meyler
C McCann
Rafferty
and a few others came out of Marys.
McCurry is a plumber
Rory Brennan is a software engineer
Ben McDonnell a trainee accountant
Think HP McGeary is also a plumber
You despise teachers, don't you? You think they're lazy and work shy
I suppose then according to your logic (not mine) that would explain why the Tyrone team can't challenge Dublin - too may teachers who are simply not willing to put in the work
I've great regard for teachers by the way
You need a qualification to teach. I don't have much regard for the profession but it's not a job that would seem to be jobs for the boys like the culture of Dublin GAA.
I wouldn't expect a champagne socialist like yourself to understand though. You really have so much in common with your hero Donald Trump.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 24, 2020, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.
In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.
In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.
Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.
None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.
Loads of spin there.
Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.
Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.
That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.
In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.
As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.
Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts
At that last post... oh my god
Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.
Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.
Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?
Martin Kennedy left Dublin GAA to go to Irish rugby
Johnny Davies?
Quote from: sid waddell on November 24, 2020, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.
In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.
In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.
Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.
None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.
Loads of spin there.
Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.
Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.
That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.
In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.
As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.
Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts
At that last post... oh my god
Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.
Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.
Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?
Martin Kennedy left Dublin GAA to go to Irish rugby
And Brian Cullen left Leinster Rugby to go to Dublin GAA.
Quote from: LeoMc on November 24, 2020, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 24, 2020, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:25:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.
In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.
In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.
Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.
None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.
Loads of spin there.
Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.
Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.
That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.
In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.
As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.
Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts
At that last post... oh my god
Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.
Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.
Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?
Martin Kennedy left Dublin GAA to go to Irish rugby
Johnny Davies?
Johnny Davies did not leave rugby.
His services had been dispensed of and he was not employed to take over Peter Donnelly's full time role.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers
Slightly out of date but the principle is the same. The Irish Times had a comparison between Dublin and Mayo in 2018 and the mix of teachers, physios, professionals, students, reps was very similar. Obviously the big advantage the Dubs had was travel from work to training.
The banks do seem to give out a few handy numbers, but they're very careful to spread it around the a number of counties. I was at a late lunch event a couple of years where a Kerry footballer was guest speaker. Things were running late and he was asked how long we have him for, and he said he had to be back at 5, so he could clock off. So probably there are a few from many counties with that handy enough number.
On the other hand my sister was working directly with Cian O'Sullivan one year in an accountancy firm when we were playing Mayo in the final and there was some nonsense talk that the Dublin County Board paid for all players to have weeks off before and after the final! When my sister was going on about how busy they were with some tax deadline, and Cian was only able to get the Friday off for the week leading up to the final and was back in work full on from Wednesday after the win.
There are morons out there who genuinely believe that none of the Dubs have proper jobs and most are full time professional footballers. Fake teachers, fake doctors, fake chartered accountants, etc. But as I said you'd have to be a complete moron to believe that.
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
Quote from: Hound on November 24, 2020, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
There have been no player work profiles in Programs for years.
There are many GAA players who take the piss of being eternal College Students. Many don't work or are in handy makey up jobs.
I presume there was a decision along the way to delete that section of Player Profiles as it was a bit embarrassing and threw a spanner in the Amateur ethos the GAA likes to hide behind.
Just a FYI all the bios for the Dublin players remain on the Dublin GAA website for any curious people out there. There are a few students on the team but incredibly the vast majority have real jobs and don't live the life of professional footballers
Slightly out of date but the principle is the same. The Irish Times had a comparison between Dublin and Mayo in 2018 and the mix of teachers, physios, professionals, students, reps was very similar. Obviously the big advantage the Dubs had was travel from work to training.
The banks do seem to give out a few handy numbers, but they're very careful to spread it around the a number of counties. I was at a late lunch event a couple of years where a Kerry footballer was guest speaker. Things were running late and he was asked how long we have him for, and he said he had to be back at 5, so he could clock off. So probably there are a few from many counties with that handy enough number.
On the other hand my sister was working directly with Cian O'Sullivan one year in an accountancy firm when we were playing Mayo in the final and there was some nonsense talk that the Dublin County Board paid for all players to have weeks off before and after the final! When my sister was going on about how busy they were with some tax deadline, and Cian was only able to get the Friday off for the week leading up to the final and was back in work full on from Wednesday after the win.
There are morons out there who genuinely believe that none of the Dubs have proper jobs and most are full time professional footballers. Fake teachers, fake doctors, fake chartered accountants, etc. But as I said you'd have to be a complete moron to believe that.
Fake doctors?
Plural?
And you're talking about morons?
The only player with a genuine full time job left the Dublin panel shortly after he took up his first employment role.
You're a good man to talk about morons alright.
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Quote from: caprea on November 24, 2020, 08:47:09 PM
It's kind of funny that people say kildare and meath should be better because they have large populations.
Dublin's population increase since 1990 is larger the meath or kildare's present total population.
The crux of the advantage is population, not funding. The funding disparity is huge but not a big factor in Dublins domination.
Much, probably most of Dublin's population increase is driven by migration
The area where I grew up has far less children and young people in general than it had in the 1980s and 1990s, not surprisingly the local club is struggling
(https://www.independent.ie/incoming/c3de2/36576139.ece/AUTOCROP/w1000/GAA%20costs.png)
What's really going to expose the Dubs spending on inter-county teams is that next year is going to be the first full year that Croke Park are going to be administering the mileage/player allowance scheme so these figures [mileage/player allowance] won't be reported as part of the inter-county spending in the various county reports financial reports.
It's going to be interesting to see Dublin GAA trying to spin their spending on inter-county teams when these mileage figures are taken out given the lack of miles Dublin players would be travelling compared to pretty much all other counties.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
The vast majority, dontcha know.
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:38:31 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 24, 2020, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Tiarnan McCann is a pharmacist in Dublin.
Majority of Tyrone panel is comprised of students and teachers. We must have 10+ teachers on it
Morgan
Harte
Sludden
Bradley
McGeary
Meyler
C McCann
Rafferty
and a few others came out of Marys.
McCurry is a plumber
Rory Brennan is a software engineer
Ben McDonnell a trainee accountant
Think HP McGeary is also a plumber
You despise teachers, don't you? You think they're lazy and work shy
I suppose then according to your logic (not mine) that would explain why the Tyrone team can't challenge Dublin - too may teachers who are simply not willing to put in the work
I've great regard for teachers by the way
You need a qualification to teach. I don't have much regard for the profession but it's not a job that would seem to be jobs for the boys like the culture of Dublin GAA.
I wouldn't expect a champagne socialist like yourself to understand though. You really have so much in common with your hero Donald Trump.
Apparently I'm a socialist and a fan of Donald Trump, this just gets better, and by better, I mean funnier
You've been pouring bile about teachers for years on the internet, calling them lazy and work shy
Then when you're put right about the lie that Dublin players have cushy jobs, all you can do is repeat the same lazy, untrue slogan
The amount of projection here is comical
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Ambassadorial jobs.
Rock
Cooper
McMahon
Fenton
MDMA
Scully
Small
McCarthy
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 24, 2020, 10:49:47 PM
What's really going to expose the Dubs spending on inter-county teams is that next year is going to be the first full year that Croke Park are going to be administering the mileage/player allowance scheme so these figures [mileage/player allowance] won't be reported as part of the inter-county spending in the various county reports financial reports.
It's going to be interesting to see Dublin GAA trying to spin their spending on inter-county teams when these mileage figures are taken out given the lack of miles Dublin players would be travelling compared to pretty much all other counties.
Will be mileage expenses still be paid for by each individual county and just administered from CP? It's an expense that disproportionately hits counties on the western seaboard
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Ambassadorial jobs.
Rock
Cooper
McMahon
Fenton
MDMA
Scully
Small
McCarthy
Last time replying to your trolling nonsense:
Philly McMahon OWNS and runs his own gyms
MDMA is doing work with inner city communities on a daily basis. The communities he's working with are last places politicans/TDs will turn up for photo ups and cheap publicity
Quote from: sid waddell on November 24, 2020, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:38:31 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 24, 2020, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Tiarnan McCann is a pharmacist in Dublin.
Majority of Tyrone panel is comprised of students and teachers. We must have 10+ teachers on it
Morgan
Harte
Sludden
Bradley
McGeary
Meyler
C McCann
Rafferty
and a few others came out of Marys.
McCurry is a plumber
Rory Brennan is a software engineer
Ben McDonnell a trainee accountant
Think HP McGeary is also a plumber
You despise teachers, don't you? You think they're lazy and work shy
I suppose then according to your logic (not mine) that would explain why the Tyrone team can't challenge Dublin - too may teachers who are simply not willing to put in the work
I've great regard for teachers by the way
You need a qualification to teach. I don't have much regard for the profession but it's not a job that would seem to be jobs for the boys like the culture of Dublin GAA.
I wouldn't expect a champagne socialist like yourself to understand though. You really have so much in common with your hero Donald Trump.
Apparently I'm a socialist and a fan of Donald Trump, this just gets better, and by better, I mean funnier
You've been pouring bile about teachers for years on the internet, calling them lazy and work shy
Then when you're put right about the lie that Dublin players have cushy jobs, all you can do is repeat the same lazy, untrue slogan
The amount of projection here is comical
You're far from a socialist, mate. You like to think you are but your ego probably can't see allow you see straight. You spent so much time obsessing over Donald Trump you've slowly morphed into him.
You're the who is dealing with the uncomfortable truth, you are happy to maintain the imbalance in the current funding structure and you are happy to engage in spin and deflection. You can try and muddy the waters about my views on teachers as much as you want, that's not the point here.
Teaching is a profession that you need a certain qualification for, it has a standardised payscale with standardised hours and an intercounty footballer cannot get appointed to that job unless it has the relevant education qualification. That's the bottom line and as you much as you want to weave and bullshit your way around Dublin players taking up such prominent roles as recruitment officials for DIT, bank officials and wealth managers for for major banks and whatever the f**k it is Dean Rock reckons he's doing then go ahead. Dublin GAA adopts a jobs for the boys in sponsored cars culture and it needs to be addressed and tackled for the sake of the intercounty game.
We know why you don't want it to be addressed because despite your faux socialist projection, you're really just a Nigel Dodds like protestant ascendancy figure tinged with Donald Trump infantility.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Ambassadorial jobs.
Rock
Cooper
McMahon
Fenton
MDMA
Scully
Small
McCarthy
Last time replying to your trolling nonsense:
Philly McMahon OWNS and runs his own gyms
MDMA is doing work with inner city communities on a daily basis. The communities he's working with are last places politicans/TDs will turn up for photo ups and cheap publicity
How did they fund that?
In MDMA's case not many teachers would have raised enough money to turn to humanitarianism in their early 30s.
I suppose a free car helps.
Can we agree that the following makes no difference to a Good/Great intercounty side:
Disproportionate County Sponsorship
Disproportionate player Sponsorship
Disproportionate GAA Funding
Disproportionate underage coaching 15 years previous.
Disproportionate intimidating home fan base
Disproportionate Home games
Disproportionate Population
Disproportionate Job security
Disproportionate in how far you have to Travel to training.
Disproportionate in how far you have to Travel to games.
Having access to a centre of excellence.
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces and a plethora of other ready made facilities.
The best you can buy in Chartered physios for every game and Chartered physio sessions at training
The best you can by in people to set up your Strength & Conditioning sessions
The best you can buy in advisor for proper dietary Meals after training and games
The best you can buy in Medical cover and proper sport injury consultation.
Having clubs subsidise the development of your county ground.
The best you can buy in Coaches.
The best you can buy in sports psychologists.
The best you can buy as head of performance analysis.
The best that money can buy in a cameraman - shoots match footage for analysis
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-backroom-team-picture-98181 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-backroom-team-picture-98181)
(https://img.maximummedia.ie/sportsjoe_ie/eyJkYXRhIjoie1widXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvbWVkaWEtc3BvcnRzam9lLm1heGltdW1tZWRpYS5pZS5zMy5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tXFxcL3dwLWNvbnRlbnRcXFwvdXBsb2Fkc1xcXC8yMDE2XFxcLzEwXFxcLzExMDkzMzAyXFxcL2lucGhvXzAxMTExNjYxLTEtMTAyNHg1NzAuanBnXCIsXCJ3aWR0aFwiOjY0MCxcImhlaWdodFwiOjM2MCxcImRlZmF1bHRcIjpcImh0dHBzOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LnNwb3J0c2pvZS5pZVxcXC9hc3NldHNcXFwvaW1hZ2VzXFxcL3Nwb3J0c2pvZVxcXC9uby1pbWFnZS5wbmc_aWQ9NjVjZDMyZTI1YzUzMDdmNjVhZWRcIixcIm9wdGlvbnNcIjpbXX0iLCJoYXNoIjoiMjliYzdlOTk1OGQwMDJlNjY4NzY3MTBlOTJlMmVhMWVmNDQxZGM3YyJ9/inpho-01111661-1-1024x570.jpg)
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 24, 2020, 10:58:42 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 24, 2020, 10:49:47 PM
What's really going to expose the Dubs spending on inter-county teams is that next year is going to be the first full year that Croke Park are going to be administering the mileage/player allowance scheme so these figures [mileage/player allowance] won't be reported as part of the inter-county spending in the various county reports financial reports.
It's going to be interesting to see Dublin GAA trying to spin their spending on inter-county teams when these mileage figures are taken out given the lack of miles Dublin players would be travelling compared to pretty much all other counties.
Will be mileage expenses still be paid for by each individual county and just administered from CP? It's an expense that disproportionately hits counties on the western seaboard
It's not the Dublin football team who have anything worry about on that score. It's club and county teams around the country with outside managers who should be worried about more attention being paid for "expenses" this year
(http://www.subaru.ie/assets/components/phpthumbof/cache/Subaru%20GAA%20Partner.60afe48db6f7631e859d94c9c4217f4d200.png)
Move along now, nothing to see here.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:09:59 PM
Can we agree that the following makes no difference to a Good/Great intercounty side:
Disproportionate County Sponsorship
Disproportionate player Sponsorship
Disproportionate GAA Funding
Disproportionate underage coaching 15 years previous.
Disproportionate intimidating home fan base
Disproportionate Home games
Disproportionate Population
Disproportionate Job security
Disproportionate in how far you have to Travel to training.
Disproportionate in how far you have to Travel to games.
Having access to a centre of excellence.
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces and a plethora of other ready made facilities.
The best you can buy in Chartered physios for every game and Chartered physio sessions at training
The best you can by in people to set up your Strength & Conditioning sessions
The best you can buy in advisor for proper dietary Meals after training and games
The best you can buy in Medical cover and proper sport injury consultation.
Having clubs subsidise the development of your county ground.
The best you can buy in Coaches.
The best you can buy in sports psychologists.
The best you can buy as head of performance analysis.
The best that money can buy in a cameraman - shoots match footage for analysis
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-backroom-team-picture-98181 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-backroom-team-picture-98181)
(https://img.maximummedia.ie/sportsjoe_ie/eyJkYXRhIjoie1widXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvbWVkaWEtc3BvcnRzam9lLm1heGltdW1tZWRpYS5pZS5zMy5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tXFxcL3dwLWNvbnRlbnRcXFwvdXBsb2Fkc1xcXC8yMDE2XFxcLzEwXFxcLzExMDkzMzAyXFxcL2lucGhvXzAxMTExNjYxLTEtMTAyNHg1NzAuanBnXCIsXCJ3aWR0aFwiOjY0MCxcImhlaWdodFwiOjM2MCxcImRlZmF1bHRcIjpcImh0dHBzOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LnNwb3J0c2pvZS5pZVxcXC9hc3NldHNcXFwvaW1hZ2VzXFxcL3Nwb3J0c2pvZVxcXC9uby1pbWFnZS5wbmc_aWQ9NjVjZDMyZTI1YzUzMDdmNjVhZWRcIixcIm9wdGlvbnNcIjpbXX0iLCJoYXNoIjoiMjliYzdlOTk1OGQwMDJlNjY4NzY3MTBlOTJlMmVhMWVmNDQxZGM3YyJ9/inpho-01111661-1-1024x570.jpg)
So what are Mayo doing with all the money they are spending on one team? Dublin have two div 1 county teams
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:09:59 PM
Can we agree that the following makes no difference to a Good/Great intercounty side:
Disproportionate County Sponsorship
Disproportionate player Sponsorship
Disproportionate GAA Funding
Disproportionate underage coaching 15 years previous.
Disproportionate intimidating home fan base
Disproportionate Home games
Disproportionate Population
Disproportionate Job security
Disproportionate in how far you have to Travel to training.
Disproportionate in how far you have to Travel to games.
Having access to a centre of excellence.
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces and a plethora of other ready made facilities.
The best you can buy in Chartered physios for every game and Chartered physio sessions at training
The best you can by in people to set up your Strength & Conditioning sessions
The best you can buy in advisor for proper dietary Meals after training and games
The best you can buy in Medical cover and proper sport injury consultation.
Having clubs subsidise the development of your county ground.
The best you can buy in Coaches.
The best you can buy in sports psychologists.
The best you can buy as head of performance analysis.
The best that money can buy in a cameraman - shoots match footage for analysis
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-backroom-team-picture-98181 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-backroom-team-picture-98181)
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I assume you feel equally as angry for sides like Leitrim, Sligo and London who have to take on Galway and Mayo every year. Galway & Mayo have all those advantages compared to them.
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Can we agree that the following makes no difference to a Good/Great intercounty side:
Disproportionate County Sponsorship
Disproportionate player Sponsorship
Disproportionate GAA Funding
Disproportionate underage coaching 15 years previous.
Disproportionate intimidating home fan base
Disproportionate Home games
Disproportionate Population
Disproportionate Job security
Disproportionate in how far you have to Travel to training.
Disproportionate in how far you have to Travel to games.
Having access to a centre of excellence.
Floodlight training pitches with all weather surfaces and a plethora of other ready made facilities.
The best you can buy in Chartered physios for every game and Chartered physio sessions at training
The best you can by in people to set up your Strength & Conditioning sessions
The best you can buy in advisor for proper dietary Meals after training and games
The best you can buy in Medical cover and proper sport injury consultation.
Having clubs subsidise the development of your county ground.
The best you can buy in Coaches.
The best you can buy in sports psychologists.
The best you can buy as head of performance analysis.
The best that money can buy in a cameraman - shoots match footage for analysis
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-backroom-team-picture-98181 (https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-backroom-team-picture-98181)
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I assume you feel equally as angry for sides like Leitrim, Sligo and London who have to take on Galway and Mayo every year. Galway & Mayo have all those advantages compared to them.
I'm sure From The Bunker would love to see more proportionate funding that would allow counties like Leitrim and Sligo to compete better.
I'm not cribbing about the funding Tyrone get, football is a reasonably healthy position even though we're not bankrolled like Dublin are. It's counties like Fermanagh, Longford, Leitrim etc who are already screwed by the system who should be getting substantial financial aid to improve the game in their counties.
It's the Dub fans like you who are so reticent to tackling the funding issue.
We could argue all day about causes but the effect is a lack of interest outside Dublin in the game.
I attended all bar two or three Leinster finals in the 90s and 00s, now I don't even flick on the telly for it. I won't bother with the All Ireland semi and if the margin in that game is 15 or so, as I think it will be, for the first time in my life I won't bother with the All-Ireland final either.
I suspect I'm not alone.
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So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Ambassadorial jobs.
Rock
Cooper
McMahon
Fenton
MDMA
Scully
Small
McCarthy
Last time replying to your trolling nonsense:
Philly McMahon OWNS and runs his own gyms
MDMA is doing work with inner city communities on a daily basis. The communities he's working with are last places politicans/TDs will turn up for photo ups and cheap publicity
How did they fund that?
In MDMA's case not many teachers would have raised enough money to turn to humanitarianism in their early 30s.
I suppose a free car helps.
Philly started with gym in his club Ballymun and then ran classes in other GAA clubs Good Counsel and Thomas Davis. MDMA lost both his parents when he was a kid who were doctors to I think long cancer and was left a large trust fund.
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Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Ambassadorial jobs.
Rock
Cooper
McMahon
Fenton
MDMA
Scully
Small
McCarthy
Last time replying to your trolling nonsense:
Philly McMahon OWNS and runs his own gyms
MDMA is doing work with inner city communities on a daily basis. The communities he's working with are last places politicans/TDs will turn up for photo ups and cheap publicity
How did they fund that?
In MDMA's case not many teachers would have raised enough money to turn to humanitarianism in their early 30s.
I suppose a free car helps.
Philly started with gym in his club Ballymun and then ran classes in other GAA clubs Good Counsel and Thomas Davis. MDMA lost both his parents who were doctors to I think long cancer and was left a large trust fund.
Well then it's fair to say that MDMA is very much able to play as a full time athlete if he wishes.
Bit early in the week Angelo for the drugs....
You've been pulled up so many times but keep coming back.
What does Tyrone do with the money it gets from club Tyrone? And only having one code to look after what's it doing with all that money?
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Quote from: Gael85 on November 24, 2020, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Ambassadorial jobs.
Rock
Cooper
McMahon
Fenton
MDMA
Scully
Small
McCarthy
Last time replying to your trolling nonsense:
Philly McMahon OWNS and runs his own gyms
MDMA is doing work with inner city communities on a daily basis. The communities he's working with are last places politicans/TDs will turn up for photo ups and cheap publicity
How did they fund that?
In MDMA's case not many teachers would have raised enough money to turn to humanitarianism in their early 30s.
I suppose a free car helps.
Philly started with gym in his club Ballymun and then ran classes in other GAA clubs Good Counsel and Thomas Davis. MDMA lost both his parents who were doctors to I think long cancer and was left a large trust fund.
Well then it's fair to say that MDMA is very much able to play as a full time athlete if he wishes.
He was teaching up to 2018 until took on his new job.
Quote from: Gael85 on November 24, 2020, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Ambassadorial jobs.
Rock
Cooper
McMahon
Fenton
MDMA
Scully
Small
McCarthy
Last time replying to your trolling nonsense:
Philly McMahon OWNS and runs his own gyms
MDMA is doing work with inner city communities on a daily basis. The communities he's working with are last places politicans/TDs will turn up for photo ups and cheap publicity
How did they fund that?
In MDMA's case not many teachers would have raised enough money to turn to humanitarianism in their early 30s.
I suppose a free car helps.
Philly started with gym in his club Ballymun and then ran classes in other GAA clubs Good Counsel and Thomas Davis. MDMA lost both his parents when he was a kid who were doctors to I think long cancer and was left a large trust fund.
Without going into too much detail on MDMA's personal life his mother died was he was 12 and his father died in 2012 not long after Donegal win the All Ireland. I'm sure he'll be flattered to know that you consider him still a kid at 26 years of age.
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Quote from: Gael85 on November 24, 2020, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 24, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:46:28 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 24, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
So college is the standard required to get a job or be a county footballers
You make me laugh
Teaching is not a job for the boys. It has standardised payscales and requires a specific qualification to work as a teacher. You can argue over the merits of how much they work or don't but it's a standardised thing across the profession.
There's a big difference with that and players being give no show ambassadorial jobs with decent paychecks that allows them to function as a full time athletes. For some reason that is an uncomfortable truth.
You keep harping on about ambassadors. Name me the ten ambassadors on the Dublin team please
Ambassadorial jobs.
Rock
Cooper
McMahon
Fenton
MDMA
Scully
Small
McCarthy
Last time replying to your trolling nonsense:
Philly McMahon OWNS and runs his own gyms
MDMA is doing work with inner city communities on a daily basis. The communities he's working with are last places politicans/TDs will turn up for photo ups and cheap publicity
How did they fund that?
In MDMA's case not many teachers would have raised enough money to turn to humanitarianism in their early 30s.
I suppose a free car helps.
Philly started with gym in his club Ballymun and then ran classes in other GAA clubs Good Counsel and Thomas Davis. MDMA lost both his parents when he was a kid who were doctors to I think long cancer and was left a large trust fund.
Without going into too much detail on MDMA's personal life his mother died was he was 12 and his father died in 2012 not long after Donegal win the All Ireland. I'm sure he'll be flattered to know that you consider him still a kid at 26 years of age.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 11:26:56 PM
Bit early in the week Angelo for the drugs....
You've been pulled up so many times but keep coming back.
What does Tyrone do with the money it gets from club Tyrone? And only having one code to look after what's it doing with all that money?
Repaying for Garvaghey and running towards team costs.
Many counties have replicated Club Tyrone and use it as a vital fund raising activity to improving facilities and helping towards the costs of the team. This money comes from supporters and volunteers all across the county. Dublin just get the big corporations to throw big bucks at it for brand association.
Of course not every county gets a fleet of cars handed out to them and paleo meals delivered to their door along with well paid no show jobs and and all the other associated perks.
You're being very disingenuous comparing Dublin GAA with any other county. What other county is able to take a S&C coach from a professional sports team and hand him a full time gig?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/bryan-cullen-quits-leinster-rugby-role-to-take-up-choice-dublin-gaa-role-58275
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Is this the same Cullen that was the captain of Dublin? Would he have a vested interest in his county? What would be more enjoyable than seeing your own county improve
Did Donnelly play for Tyrone?
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
So, where are you from.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:56:10 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
So, where are you from.
Bunker where does all that money go for one code county?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2020, 09:43:17 PM
Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor
Teachers,
No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.
So either dig or don't
Tiarnan McCann is a pharmacist in Dublin.
Majority of Tyrone panel is comprised of students and teachers. We must have 10+ teachers on it
Morgan
Harte
Sludden
Bradley
McGeary
Meyler
C McCann
Rafferty
and a few others came out of Marys.
McCurry is a plumber
Rory Brennan is a software engineer
Ben McDonnell a trainee accountant
Think HP McGeary is also a plumber
You despise teachers, don't you? You think they're lazy and work shy
I suppose then according to your logic (not mine) that would explain why the Tyrone team can't challenge Dublin - too may teachers who are simply not willing to put in the work
I've great regard for teachers by the way
You need a qualification to teach. I don't have much regard for the profession but it's not a job that would seem to be jobs for the boys like the culture of Dublin GAA.
I wouldn't expect a champagne socialist like yourself to understand though. You really have so much in common with your hero Donald Trump.
Apparently I'm a socialist and a fan of Donald Trump, this just gets better, and by better, I mean funnier
You've been pouring bile about teachers for years on the internet, calling them lazy and work shy
Then when you're put right about the lie that Dublin players have cushy jobs, all you can do is repeat the same lazy, untrue slogan
The amount of projection here is comical
You're far from a socialist, mate. You like to think you are but your ego probably can't see allow you see straight. You spent so much time obsessing over Donald Trump you've slowly morphed into him.
You're the who is dealing with the uncomfortable truth, you are happy to maintain the imbalance in the current funding structure and you are happy to engage in spin and deflection. You can try and muddy the waters about my views on teachers as much as you want, that's not the point here.
Teaching is a profession that you need a certain qualification for, it has a standardised payscale with standardised hours and an intercounty footballer cannot get appointed to that job unless it has the relevant education qualification. That's the bottom line and as you much as you want to weave and bullshit your way around Dublin players taking up such prominent roles as recruitment officials for DIT, bank officials and wealth managers for for major banks and whatever the f**k it is Dean Rock reckons he's doing then go ahead. Dublin GAA adopts a jobs for the boys in sponsored cars culture and it needs to be addressed and tackled for the sake of the intercounty game.
We know why you don't want it to be addressed because despite your faux socialist projection, you're really just a Nigel Dodds like protestant ascendancy figure tinged with Donald Trump infantility.
I got a good laugh out of that
You definitely can't be accused of doing the thing that Meath and Kildare are doing - not trying hard enough
I'm not from Dublin and I will be cheering them on next month. The fix for six!
MR2 - There must be someone on the take in Mayo! That can be the only answer. Where does the money go?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:00:34 AM
I'm not from Dublin and I will be cheering them on next month. The fix for six!
It's said the GAA is about pride in place and identity but perhaps that's wrong
Maybe the future is Dublin supporters clubs in every county, like Liverpool and Manchester United
That'll make up for the bored Dubs who are no longer attending
Everybody aboard the bandwagon
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:04:07 AM
MR2 - There must be someone on the take in Mayo! That can be the only answer. Where does the money go?
Cork must be pissing it against the wall as well
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:04:07 AM
MR2 - There must be someone on the take in Mayo! That can be the only answer. Where does the money go?
Cork must be pissing it against the wall as well
Pissing what?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:04:07 AM
MR2 - There must be someone on the take in Mayo! That can be the only answer. Where does the money go?
Cork must be pissing it against the wall as well
The money is resting in Frank Murphy's account
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:04:07 AM
MR2 - There must be someone on the take in Mayo! That can be the only answer. Where does the money go?
Cork must be pissing it against the wall as well
The money is resting in Frank Murphy's account
Unlike the Dubs who got one for free - Cork have a Stadium to pay for and maintain.
And then there was silence!
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
The present Dublin players are the best footballing team I have ever seen - fabulous to watch and I really enjoy their style. However, his can make some others very jealous. Dublin have won 59 provincial titles. Kerry have won 81 - not much complaint about that - until Dublin started to dominate Leinster! Up to the rest to reach the standard - tough going, but that is the way it has always been. Fermanagh have never won Ulster but by Jaysus they try hard every year. Kerry won 7 All-Irelands in 9 years in the 70/80s and were getting funding from advertisements - no complaints. They won 28 Munsters inside 36 years, in living memory, and no complaints. Dublin players deserve more appreciation not jealousy. I'm not a Dub, btw!!!!
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Cluxton, MDMA, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Kevin McManamon, Philly McMahon, Mick Fitzsimons, Jonny Cooper, Dean Rock, most if not all of these guys will be gone in the next year or two
Yes a lot of the younger lads are very good, but that core of leadership is hugely difficult to replace
Nothing lasts forever
There's no guarantee at all that what replaces them will be as good, I would say it's likely they won't be
The likelihood is that Dublin will follow the same path as Kilkenny in hurling, always there, but not at the same level as the peak
What followed Shefflin and Walsh and Delaney and Larkin and Fennelly and Brennan and Tyrrell and Power largely wasn't quite as good
Kilkenny had Reid, Hogan, Padraig Walsh, Cillian Buckley, Paul Murphy, Walter Walsh, Colin Fennelly, Conor Fogarty to follow on from those lads and remain there or thereabouts - as Dublin will have Kilkenny, Fenton, Small, O'Callaghan, Mannion, Howard and hopefully Jack McCaffrey to follow on for a few years from the players who will be departing soon
But even most of those guys will be hitting the 30 mark before very long, it's basically a decade since most were minors
Every year from 2008 on, the Kilkenny team was getting ever so slightly weaker every year because good as the replacements were, they mostly weren't quite at the level of those who were departing
This will almost certainly be the case with Dublin too
Quote from: restorepride on November 25, 2020, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
The present Dublin players are the best footballing team I have ever seen - fabulous to watch and I really enjoy their style. However, his can make some others very jealous. Dublin have won 59 provincial titles. Kerry have won 81 - not much complaint about that - until Dublin started to dominate Leinster! Up to the rest to reach the standard - tough going, but that is the way it has always been. Fermanagh have never won Ulster but by Jaysus they try hard every year. Kerry won 7 All-Irelands in 9 years in the 70/80s and were getting funding from advertisements - no complaints. They won 28 Munsters inside 36 years, in living memory, and no complaints. Dublin players deserve more appreciation not jealousy. I'm not a Dub, btw!!!!
This is important - nobody ever complained about Kerry's dominance in Munster or Kilkenny's dominance in Leinster and All-Ireland hurling or Crossmaglen's dominance in Armagh and suggested they be split
People sometimes complain that the modern generation is getting soft and while I would largely disagree with that, it's really difficult to think that much of the populist reaction to Dublin's success is not symbolic of an ideology where some people expect things to be handed to them rather than achieving them through hard work
That's certainly very prevalent in the rest of Leinster at the moment
It's basically the Homer Simpson ideology - if something is hard, it's not worth doing - quit
It's very sad to see
As soon as Dublin is split, by the way, that's probably the end for a load of county teams, because if you split a county because they're "too successful", then there's little reason by the same logic not to wind up many county teams and amalgamate them with other counties into regional teams
Like, if Dublin are split, well what's the point in carrying on with county teams for Leitrim, Longford, Derry, Antrim, Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow, Laois, Offaly, etc - because they're never going to win anything anyway
And a lot more
The principle of splitting Dublin maintains that units which make up county teams should be comparable on a population level - and if you follow through that logic, it means the end of most county teams
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: restorepride on November 25, 2020, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
The present Dublin players are the best footballing team I have ever seen - fabulous to watch and I really enjoy their style. However, his can make some others very jealous. Dublin have won 59 provincial titles. Kerry have won 81 - not much complaint about that - until Dublin started to dominate Leinster! Up to the rest to reach the standard - tough going, but that is the way it has always been. Fermanagh have never won Ulster but by Jaysus they try hard every year. Kerry won 7 All-Irelands in 9 years in the 70/80s and were getting funding from advertisements - no complaints. They won 28 Munsters inside 36 years, in living memory, and no complaints. Dublin players deserve more appreciation not jealousy. I'm not a Dub, btw!!!!
This is important - nobody ever complained about Kerry's dominance in Munster or Kilkenny's dominance in Leinster and All-Ireland hurling or Crossmaglen's dominance in Armagh and suggested they be split
Everyone in Armagh complained about it!
It ruined club football in the county. The standard fell through the floor. Crowds got smaller. Fellas walked away from football altogether - lost to the GAA forever. A full recovery will take years, decades probably, even now that the cycle has been broken.
If the same is to be allowed happen at intercounty level we may just shut the whole show down immediately.
Should've just split the c***ts back into the Red Hands and Creggan Rovers after they'd done 10 in a row!
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:10:55 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 12:08:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:04:07 AM
MR2 - There must be someone on the take in Mayo! That can be the only answer. Where does the money go?
Cork must be pissing it against the wall as well
The money is resting in Frank Murphy's account
Unlike the Dubs who got one for free - Cork have a Stadium to pay for and maintain.
Cork got a big helping hand from the GAA and the government, but don't let that get in the way of your cheap shots at Dublin.
It cost €96m to build PuC. Now despite what some might think here Dublin don't have that money just sitting in their bank account. To build a stadium would require additional GAA and government funding. This MB would explode if Dubs were to receive any funding from the GAA for something like that so they really can't win when dealing with people like yourself
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:14:10 AM
And then there was silence!
Sorry I went to bed, so, are you going to tell me where all the money has gone in the Mayo? they haven't spent it on hurling.
This is one team at the top of that tree of spending, nothing to show for it until this year beating Galway
There's a contention from some on here on here that Dublin's access to greater funding compared to other counties contributes to Dublin's dominance. And there are others who dispute this - for those that dispute this point, do you dispute it on the grounds that 1) Dublin don't get greater funding? 2) the additional funding doesn't improve team preparation? or 3) some other reason?
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 25, 2020, 08:34:20 AM
There's a contention from some on here on here that Dublin's access to greater funding compared to other counties contributes to Dublin's dominance. And there are others who dispute this - for those that dispute this point, do you dispute it on the grounds that 1) Dublin don't get greater funding? 2) the additional funding doesn't improve team preparation? or 3) some other reason?
Dublin are a better team because they have better players, I thought that was very obvious.. stick a sack full of money in their shorts won't make them run quicker or shoot more accurate. They are the better team because now, after years of dropping numbers in Dublin's GAA, they have a massive pool to pick from. the chart showing where the money is spent on its teams doesn't even have Dublin at the top
On the Cross note I found the same in Antrim. When St Galls were very good I went to a few of their games against Cargin as they were the next biggest rivals. I stopped going as they were winning pretty easily and it just wasn't interesting. I am sure this will trigger MR (more than he is already triggered for whatever reason ;D) but I would say I am far from alone in feeling like that. Kilcoo in Down are (or have) probably moved in that direction. It was great to see Galway have a different winner this year but I am sure in for example Cork with Nemo the same held true as well.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:14:10 AM
And then there was silence!
Sorry I went to bed, so, are you going to tell me where all the money has gone in the Mayo? they haven't spent it on hurling.
This is one team at the top of that tree of spending, nothing to show for it until this year beating Galway
A fair bit would have gone into the MacHale Park stand.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 25, 2020, 08:34:20 AM
There's a contention from some on here on here that Dublin's access to greater funding compared to other counties contributes to Dublin's dominance. And there are others who dispute this - for those that dispute this point, do you dispute it on the grounds that 1) Dublin don't get greater funding? 2) the additional funding doesn't improve team preparation? or 3) some other reason?
Dublin are a better team because they have better players, I thought that was very obvious.. stick a sack full of money in their shorts won't make them run quicker or shoot more accurate. They are the better team because now, after years of dropping numbers in Dublin's GAA, they have a massive pool to pick from. the chart showing where the money is spent on its teams doesn't even have Dublin at the top
Not sure why you're replying to me if you're not going to answer the question tbh
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2020, 08:40:07 AM
On the Cross note I found the same in Antrim. When St Galls were very good I went to a few of their games against Cargin as they were the next biggest rivals. I stopped going as they were winning pretty easily and it just wasn't interesting. I am sure this will trigger MR (more than he is already triggered for whatever reason ;D) but I would say I am far from alone in feeling like that. Kilcoo in Down are (or have) probably moved in that direction. It was great to see Galway have a different winner this year but I am sure in for example Cork with Nemo the same held true as well.
Triggered to the point that it changes, these things come in cycles and while Dublin will never be as bad as they were during that lean period, they can't keep it up forever, teams come and go, there was a few games that Dublin could have lost, they were in the melting pot, one quick handpass or an interception and the game was lost to them, would we still be having this conversation?
While Cross Kilcoo, ourselves dominated, we did it with no money, just sheer determination, a bit of luck and as much as we would have wanted it to continue they pool dried up, we had won 5 odd minor and under 21 championships in a row and lost a serious amount of players that we couldn't keep, you can only do it for so long and Dublin will be the same.
Teams need to raise the bar, Did Cargin throw the towel in? No they have went on to win 4 out of 5 championships ..while the comparison with club and county is very different to a point (smaller pool) history has shown that maintaining that dominance isn't easy
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 12:48:40 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Cluxton, MDMA, Cian O'Sullivan, James McCarthy, Kevin McManamon, Philly McMahon, Mick Fitzsimons, Jonny Cooper, Dean Rock, most if not all of these guys will be gone in the next year or two
Yes a lot of the younger lads are very good, but that core of leadership is hugely difficult to replace
Nothing lasts forever
There's no guarantee at all that what replaces them will be as good, I would say it's likely they won't be
The likelihood is that Dublin will follow the same path as Kilkenny in hurling, always there, but not at the same level as the peak
What followed Shefflin and Walsh and Delaney and Larkin and Fennelly and Brennan and Tyrrell and Power largely wasn't quite as good
Kilkenny had Reid, Hogan, Padraig Walsh, Cillian Buckley, Paul Murphy, Walter Walsh, Colin Fennelly, Conor Fogarty to follow on from those lads and remain there or thereabouts - as Dublin will have Kilkenny, Fenton, Small, O'Callaghan, Mannion, Howard and hopefully Jack McCaffrey to follow on for a few years from the players who will be departing soon
But even most of those guys will be hitting the 30 mark before very long, it's basically a decade since most were minors
Every year from 2008 on, the Kilkenny team was getting ever so slightly weaker every year because good as the replacements were, they mostly weren't quite at the level of those who were departing
This will almost certainly be the case with Dublin too
Ah, the usual talk that soon the present crew be retiring and are irreplaceable. Same was said of Flynn, O'Gara, MDMA, Brogans, Connolly, Andrew's. Only a few years ago were the once in a Generation and would be hard replaced. ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 25, 2020, 08:34:20 AM
There's a contention from some on here on here that Dublin's access to greater funding compared to other counties contributes to Dublin's dominance. And there are others who dispute this - for those that dispute this point, do you dispute it on the grounds that 1) Dublin don't get greater funding? 2) the additional funding doesn't improve team preparation? or 3) some other reason?
Dublin are a better team because they have better players, I thought that was very obvious.. stick a sack full of money in their shorts won't make them run quicker or shoot more accurate. They are the better team because now, after years of dropping numbers in Dublin's GAA, they have a massive pool to pick from. the chart showing where the money is spent on its teams doesn't even have Dublin at the top
A deliberately ignorant reply, and if it's not deliberate then you really are an idiot.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 25, 2020, 08:05:27 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:10:55 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 12:08:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 25, 2020, 12:04:07 AM
MR2 - There must be someone on the take in Mayo! That can be the only answer. Where does the money go?
Cork must be pissing it against the wall as well
The money is resting in Frank Murphy's account
Unlike the Dubs who got one for free - Cork have a Stadium to pay for and maintain.
Cork got a big helping hand from the GAA and the government, but don't let that get in the way of your cheap shots at Dublin.
It cost €96m to build PuC. Now despite what some might think here Dublin don't have that money just sitting in their bank account. To build a stadium would require additional GAA and government funding. This MB would explode if Dubs were to receive any funding from the GAA for something like that so they really can't win when dealing with people like yourself
They must have a fair bit in the bank all the same. In the last 3 years Dublin GAA have spent €9m on a site in Spawell and earlier this month spent upwards of €15m on a site in Hollystown.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 08:54:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2020, 08:40:07 AM
On the Cross note I found the same in Antrim. When St Galls were very good I went to a few of their games against Cargin as they were the next biggest rivals. I stopped going as they were winning pretty easily and it just wasn't interesting. I am sure this will trigger MR (more than he is already triggered for whatever reason ;D) but I would say I am far from alone in feeling like that. Kilcoo in Down are (or have) probably moved in that direction. It was great to see Galway have a different winner this year but I am sure in for example Cork with Nemo the same held true as well.
Triggered to the point that it changes, these things come in cycles and while Dublin will never be as bad as they were during that lean period, they can't keep it up forever, teams come and go, there was a few games that Dublin could have lost, they were in the melting pot, one quick handpass or an interception and the game was lost to them, would we still be having this conversation?
Dublin will never be as bad as they were during the lean period? When they were the 2nd most successful team nationally and won 5 Leinster titles in a row.
That's reassuring!
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-cork-and-donegal-went-out-with-the-wrong-attitude-1.4418194
That's the intensity Dublin bring to every game. They go out, they take every game seriously, they execute the skills of the game at a relentless speed. They crush all dreams of an upset as quickly as possible, they get a bite to eat and they head for home. They don't even look to me to be enjoying it.
Meanwhile, Dublin plough on, out of everyone else's reach. No time for messing, no interest in fairytales. There isn't a hope of anyone stopping them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 08:54:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2020, 08:40:07 AM
On the Cross note I found the same in Antrim. When St Galls were very good I went to a few of their games against Cargin as they were the next biggest rivals. I stopped going as they were winning pretty easily and it just wasn't interesting. I am sure this will trigger MR (more than he is already triggered for whatever reason ;D) but I would say I am far from alone in feeling like that. Kilcoo in Down are (or have) probably moved in that direction. It was great to see Galway have a different winner this year but I am sure in for example Cork with Nemo the same held true as well.
Triggered to the point that it changes, these things come in cycles and while Dublin will never be as bad as they were during that lean period, they can't keep it up forever, teams come and go, there was a few games that Dublin could have lost, they were in the melting pot, one quick handpass or an interception and the game was lost to them, would we still be having this conversation?
While Cross Kilcoo, ourselves dominated, we did it with no money, just sheer determination, a bit of luck and as much as we would have wanted it to continue they pool dried up, we had won 5 odd minor and under 21 championships in a row and lost a serious amount of players that we couldn't keep, you can only do it for so long and Dublin will be the same.
Teams need to raise the bar, Did Cargin throw the towel in? No they have went on to win 4 out of 5 championships ..while the comparison with club and county is very different to a point (smaller pool) history has shown that maintaining that dominance isn't easy
They are on their third team.
They will keep on winning All Irelands until the system is changed
For that to happen the public have to turn away from gaelic football.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 08:54:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2020, 08:40:07 AM
On the Cross note I found the same in Antrim. When St Galls were very good I went to a few of their games against Cargin as they were the next biggest rivals. I stopped going as they were winning pretty easily and it just wasn't interesting. I am sure this will trigger MR (more than he is already triggered for whatever reason ;D) but I would say I am far from alone in feeling like that. Kilcoo in Down are (or have) probably moved in that direction. It was great to see Galway have a different winner this year but I am sure in for example Cork with Nemo the same held true as well.
Triggered to the point that it changes, these things come in cycles and while Dublin will never be as bad as they were during that lean period, they can't keep it up forever, teams come and go, there was a few games that Dublin could have lost, they were in the melting pot, one quick handpass or an interception and the game was lost to them, would we still be having this conversation?
While Cross Kilcoo, ourselves dominated, we did it with no money, just sheer determination, a bit of luck and as much as we would have wanted it to continue they pool dried up, we had won 5 odd minor and under 21 championships in a row and lost a serious amount of players that we couldn't keep, you can only do it for so long and Dublin will be the same.
Teams need to raise the bar, Did Cargin throw the towel in? No they have went on to win 4 out of 5 championships ..while the comparison with club and county is very different to a point (smaller pool) history has shown that maintaining that dominance isn't easy
No one is throwing the towel in though.
There is some bitterness in here to be honest which doesn't make the conversation fully objective. You have a point with regard to a few games though. Kerry could have pipped them the first game though Dublin bucked up on the replay and on another day some of those Mayo games could have went differently.
I am not sure this thing will be in as much of a cycle as the club thing is though.
The croke park thing reading this I am not even sure the dubs want themselves half the time. I would definitely rather see them play more outside croke park and the neutral super 8 game definitely shouldn't be there but in the grand scheme of things I don't think that would change that much. I do think the GAA need to do something about this as it is rubbing a lot of people up the wrong way.
Quote from: seafoid on November 25, 2020, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2020, 08:54:47 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 25, 2020, 08:40:07 AM
On the Cross note I found the same in Antrim. When St Galls were very good I went to a few of their games against Cargin as they were the next biggest rivals. I stopped going as they were winning pretty easily and it just wasn't interesting. I am sure this will trigger MR (more than he is already triggered for whatever reason ;D) but I would say I am far from alone in feeling like that. Kilcoo in Down are (or have) probably moved in that direction. It was great to see Galway have a different winner this year but I am sure in for example Cork with Nemo the same held true as well.
Triggered to the point that it changes, these things come in cycles and while Dublin will never be as bad as they were during that lean period, they can't keep it up forever, teams come and go, there was a few games that Dublin could have lost, they were in the melting pot, one quick handpass or an interception and the game was lost to them, would we still be having this conversation?
While Cross Kilcoo, ourselves dominated, we did it with no money, just sheer determination, a bit of luck and as much as we would have wanted it to continue they pool dried up, we had won 5 odd minor and under 21 championships in a row and lost a serious amount of players that we couldn't keep, you can only do it for so long and Dublin will be the same.
Teams need to raise the bar, Did Cargin throw the towel in? No they have went on to win 4 out of 5 championships ..while the comparison with club and county is very different to a point (smaller pool) history has shown that maintaining that dominance isn't easy
They are on their third team.
They will keep on winning All Irelands until the system is changed
For that to happen the public have to turn away from gaelic football.
The system won't change, as that would be the GAA admitting they got it wrong when they threw millions at Dublin, creating a monster that ruined the game.
Nope, Dublin are just s great team. The rest of you just need to buck up your ideas like them.
Nothing to see here.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 02:28:03 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: restorepride on November 25, 2020, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
The present Dublin players are the best footballing team I have ever seen - fabulous to watch and I really enjoy their style. However, his can make some others very jealous. Dublin have won 59 provincial titles. Kerry have won 81 - not much complaint about that - until Dublin started to dominate Leinster! Up to the rest to reach the standard - tough going, but that is the way it has always been. Fermanagh have never won Ulster but by Jaysus they try hard every year. Kerry won 7 All-Irelands in 9 years in the 70/80s and were getting funding from advertisements - no complaints. They won 28 Munsters inside 36 years, in living memory, and no complaints. Dublin players deserve more appreciation not jealousy. I'm not a Dub, btw!!!!
This is important - nobody ever complained about Kerry's dominance in Munster or Kilkenny's dominance in Leinster and All-Ireland hurling or Crossmaglen's dominance in Armagh and suggested they be split
Everyone in Armagh complained about it!
It ruined club football in the county. The standard fell through the floor. Crowds got smaller. Fellas walked away from football altogether - lost to the GAA forever. A full recovery will take years, decades probably, even now that the cycle has been broken.
If the same is to be allowed happen at intercounty level we may just shut the whole show down immediately.
Should've just split the c***ts back into the Red Hands and Creggan Rovers after they'd done 10 in a row!
As Mick O'Dwyer once said, there were thirty one and a half counties against Kerry when they were going for the four in a row! I think he just about summed up the general feeling as Kerry kept powering on.
When Seamus Darby put a halt to their gallop, he became a national hero overnight.
There were only 19,000 spectators at the semi final vs Armagh that year. Attendances were dropping off at all games throughout the country and general interest in the game had reached an all time low by the time the final arrived.
The present Dublin side is the best I have seen and are, by a considerable distance, better than any other county at present and for the foreseeable future. Dublin can't be blamed for being so far ahead of the rest that the opposition is irrelevant- the result will be inevitable.
I would imagine that every other county would love to swap places with the Dubs- that's human nature but there can only be one county with the resources and personnel to reach and maintain Dublin's standards of excellence.
Mayo tried hard and almost succeeded once or twice bbut the odds were alwaqys against them. Dublin had superior numbers and fitness.
I'm thinking here of the 2015 semi final- and the replay in particular.
Both teams went at it hammer and tongs right up to the last 15 minutes and then Mayo wilted and the Dubs ran out easy winners. It had been an extremely hot, clammy day and the Dubs' aero dynamic fitness saw them through.
Mayo, with half the panel living in Dublin couldn't possibly be at the same level of fitness. The idea that all many other counties need only try a bit harder to get to Dublin's standards is appealing but at the same time, nonsensical.
Mayo will come again and will keep on coming but the odds will always be against them. There are other counties with more natural advantages but expecting their players to compete at Dublin's level is an insult to their intelligence.
They are amateurs after all and have lives to lead away from the intercounty scene. In the decade before the Bertie/Bailey pact a total of six counties won the Leinster title. Today the leinster championship is as dead as a dodo.
There is no point in blaming Dublin for this- they are only playing by the rules of the game.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 02:28:03 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: restorepride on November 25, 2020, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
The present Dublin players are the best footballing team I have ever seen - fabulous to watch and I really enjoy their style. However, his can make some others very jealous. Dublin have won 59 provincial titles. Kerry have won 81 - not much complaint about that - until Dublin started to dominate Leinster! Up to the rest to reach the standard - tough going, but that is the way it has always been. Fermanagh have never won Ulster but by Jaysus they try hard every year. Kerry won 7 All-Irelands in 9 years in the 70/80s and were getting funding from advertisements - no complaints. They won 28 Munsters inside 36 years, in living memory, and no complaints. Dublin players deserve more appreciation not jealousy. I'm not a Dub, btw!!!!
This is important - nobody ever complained about Kerry's dominance in Munster or Kilkenny's dominance in Leinster and All-Ireland hurling or Crossmaglen's dominance in Armagh and suggested they be split
Everyone in Armagh complained about it!
It ruined club football in the county. The standard fell through the floor. Crowds got smaller. Fellas walked away from football altogether - lost to the GAA forever. A full recovery will take years, decades probably, even now that the cycle has been broken.
If the same is to be allowed happen at intercounty level we may just shut the whole show down immediately.
Should've just split the c***ts back into the Red Hands and Creggan Rovers after they'd done 10 in a row!
I don't recall any moves to split Crossmaglen Rangers
But I do recall Drumintee putting out a few oul' lads in jeans to avoid a fine for not fielding a team - in a county quarter-final
Club matters
I think back in the day of Kerry's dominance they had a squad that lived/studied/worked in Dublin, they trained in Dublin during the week and played their games at the weekend.
Obviously the standards and expectations are completely different, the need for full panels at training need to be matched, and there is no doubting the handiness of living and working in Dublin will suit the Dubs, same as ones from Cork if the majority of their players live and work in Cork. In fact there are many areas that have that going on but are not meeting Dublin's standards..
Dublin will only raise their standards as success breeds success, it will also raise the standards of the rest.. Mayo, Donegal (barring that blip) Kerry and at times Tyrone (in the league) are improving..
Point of order in the Cross issue....Creggan Rovers were an excellent soccer team and we lorded it over Carnally and Drumbally and Fortress Riverside Park was where heroes and villains were created. Don't bring them into this chat!
Anyway Dublin get too much money and that's that. There is as many people live within a 30 minute commute of Croke Park than live in the 6 Counties therefore they are going to have a much greater pick. But it was always like that. They just have their shit in order. Maybe people should stop being moaning bitches and get their own houses in order. When they have that done then deal with the Dublin problem.
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Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
The present Dublin players are the best footballing team I have ever seen - fabulous to watch and I really enjoy their style. However, his can make some others very jealous. Dublin have won 59 provincial titles. Kerry have won 81 - not much complaint about that - until Dublin started to dominate Leinster! Up to the rest to reach the standard - tough going, but that is the way it has always been. Fermanagh have never won Ulster but by Jaysus they try hard every year. Kerry won 7 All-Irelands in 9 years in the 70/80s and were getting funding from advertisements - no complaints. They won 28 Munsters inside 36 years, in living memory, and no complaints. Dublin players deserve more appreciation not jealousy. I'm not a Dub, btw!!!!
This is important - nobody ever complained about Kerry's dominance in Munster or Kilkenny's dominance in Leinster and All-Ireland hurling or Crossmaglen's dominance in Armagh and suggested they be split
Everyone in Armagh complained about it!
It ruined club football in the county. The standard fell through the floor. Crowds got smaller. Fellas walked away from football altogether - lost to the GAA forever. A full recovery will take years, decades probably, even now that the cycle has been broken.
If the same is to be allowed happen at intercounty level we may just shut the whole show down immediately.
Should've just split the c***ts back into the Red Hands and Creggan Rovers after they'd done 10 in a row!
As Mick O'Dwyer once said, there were thirty one and a half counties against Kerry when they were going for the four in a row! I think he just about summed up the general feeling as Kerry kept powering on.
When Seamus Darby put a halt to their gallop, he became a national hero overnight.
There were only 19,000 spectators at the semi final vs Armagh that year. Attendances were dropping off at all games throughout the country and general interest in the game had reached an all time low by the time the final arrived.
The present Dublin side is the best I have seen and are, by a considerable distance, better than any other county at present and for the foreseeable future. Dublin can't be blamed for being so far ahead of the rest that the opposition is irrelevant- the result will be inevitable.
I would imagine that every other county would love to swap places with the Dubs- that's human nature but there can only be one county with the resources and personnel to reach and maintain Dublin's standards of excellence.
Mayo tried hard and almost succeeded once or twice bbut the odds were alwaqys against them. Dublin had superior numbers and fitness.
I'm thinking here of the 2015 semi final- and the replay in particular.
Both teams went at it hammer and tongs right up to the last 15 minutes and then Mayo wilted and the Dubs ran out easy winners. It had been an extremely hot, clammy day and the Dubs' aero dynamic fitness saw them through.
Mayo, with half the panel living in Dublin couldn't possibly be at the same level of fitness. The idea that all many other counties need only try a bit harder to get to Dublin's standards is appealing but at the same time, nonsensical.
Mayo will come again and will keep on coming but the odds will always be against them. There are other counties with more natural advantages but expecting their players to compete at Dublin's level is an insult to their intelligence.
They are amateurs after all and have lives to lead away from the intercounty scene. In the decade before the Bertie/Bailey pact a total of six counties won the Leinster title. Today the leinster championship is as dead as a dodo.
There is no point in blaming Dublin for this- they are only playing by the rules of the game.
Yet in the drawn 2015 semi-final Mayo completely dominated the last 12 minutes including injury time and really should have won
Dublin were hanging onto a draw for grim death
I don't think that was because Mayo were fitter - games sometimes go like that - but they were
as fit
Dublin didn't win the replay because of fitness - they won because two goalkeeping mistakes at a crucial time completely changed the dynamics of the match and after the second goal Mayo's heads went completely
Again in 2016, the key event was a goalkeeping mistake - and in the drawn final, the key events had been two freak own goals
In the drawn final, Mayo came from three points down late on to get a draw - that wasn't a lack of fitness
Where Dublin undoubtedly had an advantage over Mayo was in the ability of their substitutes - and I said years ago that a move back to three substitutes rather than five or six as it is now is one common sense move that could be looked at
Dublin players are amateurs too and also have lives to live away from the inter county scene, this is an inconvenient fact and claiming otherwise really does undermine people's arguments
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 25, 2020, 08:34:20 AM
There's a contention from some on here on here that Dublin's access to greater funding compared to other counties contributes to Dublin's dominance. And there are others who dispute this - for those that dispute this point, do you dispute it on the grounds that 1) Dublin don't get greater funding? 2) the additional funding doesn't improve team preparation? or 3) some other reason?
2 is in dispute. The funding goes to games development, not the senior team.
The greed of the Dublin GAA fans is something else though.
They already have all the natural advantages they could hope for, they already have all these big corporations happy to hand out no show ambassadorial jobs to their players, playing nearly all their Championship games at their nominated home ground, their players all living and working within their county, huge funding advantages, population, registered players. But they want all the money from HQ to go along with their big corporate pot to maximise all those huge natural advantages they already have.
Sadly the GAA has become immersed in a culture of capitalist greed and Dublin GAA are its monster and they do not want to give up anything that might level the playing field, even just a tiny bit.
Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
The greed of the Dublin GAA fans is something else though.
They already have all the natural advantages they could hope for, they already have all these big corporations happy to hand out no show ambassadorial jobs to their players, playing nearly all their Championship games at their nominated home ground, their players all living and working within their county, huge funding advantages, population, registered players. But they want all the money from HQ to go along with their big corporate pot to maximise all those huge natural advantages they already have.
Sadly the GAA has become immersed in a culture of capitalist greed and Dublin GAA are its monster and they do not want to give up anything that might level the playing field, even just a tiny bit.
You keep saying that, doesn't make any more true...
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Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 01:36:21 PM
The greed of the Dublin GAA fans is something else though.
They already have all the natural advantages they could hope for, they already have all these big corporations happy to hand out no show ambassadorial jobs to their players, playing nearly all their Championship games at their nominated home ground, their players all living and working within their county, huge funding advantages, population, registered players. But they want all the money from HQ to go along with their big corporate pot to maximise all those huge natural advantages they already have.
Sadly the GAA has become immersed in a culture of capitalist greed and Dublin GAA are its monster and they do not want to give up anything that might level the playing field, even just a tiny bit.
You keep saying that, doesn't make any more true...
And you constantly denying it doesn't make it any less true.
I see that the lads have exposed your bias here. Obviously it's a St Galls thing for you so. You want to create super teams and do all you can to sustain them, we know for a fact you're not being objective here.
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Quote from: marty34 on November 24, 2020, 11:43:17 PM
The issue of Dublin and money comes up regularly.
My opinion is that this is a one off talented group of players who have come along at the right time. Problem is now that they are at the top, all they need is one or two new players to stay there, at thst high level.
Regards the money and funding re: the footballers, the question that I have is why are their hurlers, with the same "benefits" not wining Leinster with their B team and winning 5 in a row Liam Mc Carthys?
I think it's time people stop whinging about Dublin get this and that etc. and get their own county into a bit of shape. No excuses - put the work in at club level.
I'm not a Dub btw.
Where are u from?
As stated, not from Dublin.
The present Dublin players are the best footballing team I have ever seen - fabulous to watch and I really enjoy their style. However, his can make some others very jealous. Dublin have won 59 provincial titles. Kerry have won 81 - not much complaint about that - until Dublin started to dominate Leinster! Up to the rest to reach the standard - tough going, but that is the way it has always been. Fermanagh have never won Ulster but by Jaysus they try hard every year. Kerry won 7 All-Irelands in 9 years in the 70/80s and were getting funding from advertisements - no complaints. They won 28 Munsters inside 36 years, in living memory, and no complaints. Dublin players deserve more appreciation not jealousy. I'm not a Dub, btw!!!!
This is important - nobody ever complained about Kerry's dominance in Munster or Kilkenny's dominance in Leinster and All-Ireland hurling or Crossmaglen's dominance in Armagh and suggested they be split
Everyone in Armagh complained about it!
It ruined club football in the county. The standard fell through the floor. Crowds got smaller. Fellas walked away from football altogether - lost to the GAA forever. A full recovery will take years, decades probably, even now that the cycle has been broken.
If the same is to be allowed happen at intercounty level we may just shut the whole show down immediately.
Should've just split the c***ts back into the Red Hands and Creggan Rovers after they'd done 10 in a row!
As Mick O'Dwyer once said, there were thirty one and a half counties against Kerry when they were going for the four in a row! I think he just about summed up the general feeling as Kerry kept powering on.
When Seamus Darby put a halt to their gallop, he became a national hero overnight.
There were only 19,000 spectators at the semi final vs Armagh that year. Attendances were dropping off at all games throughout the country and general interest in the game had reached an all time low by the time the final arrived.
The present Dublin side is the best I have seen and are, by a considerable distance, better than any other county at present and for the foreseeable future. Dublin can't be blamed for being so far ahead of the rest that the opposition is irrelevant- the result will be inevitable.
I would imagine that every other county would love to swap places with the Dubs- that's human nature but there can only be one county with the resources and personnel to reach and maintain Dublin's standards of excellence.
Mayo tried hard and almost succeeded once or twice bbut the odds were alwaqys against them. Dublin had superior numbers and fitness.
I'm thinking here of the 2015 semi final- and the replay in particular.
Both teams went at it hammer and tongs right up to the last 15 minutes and then Mayo wilted and the Dubs ran out easy winners. It had been an extremely hot, clammy day and the Dubs' aero dynamic fitness saw them through.
Mayo, with half the panel living in Dublin couldn't possibly be at the same level of fitness. The idea that all many other counties need only try a bit harder to get to Dublin's standards is appealing but at the same time, nonsensical.
Mayo will come again and will keep on coming but the odds will always be against them. There are other counties with more natural advantages but expecting their players to compete at Dublin's level is an insult to their intelligence.
They are amateurs after all and have lives to lead away from the intercounty scene. In the decade before the Bertie/Bailey pact a total of six counties won the Leinster title. Today the leinster championship is as dead as a dodo.
There is no point in blaming Dublin for this- they are only playing by the rules of the game.
Yet in the drawn 2015 semi-final Mayo completely dominated the last 12 minutes including injury time and really should have won
Dublin were hanging onto a draw for grim death
I don't think that was because Mayo were fitter - games sometimes go like that - but they were as fit
Dublin didn't win the replay because of fitness - they won because two goalkeeping mistakes at a crucial time completely changed the dynamics of the match and after the second goal Mayo's heads went completely
Again in 2016, the key event was a goalkeeping mistake - and in the drawn final, the key events had been two freak own goals
In the drawn final, Mayo came from three points down late on to get a draw - that wasn't a lack of fitness
Where Dublin undoubtedly had an advantage over Mayo was in the ability of their substitutes - and I said years ago that a move back to three substitutes rather than five or six as it is now is one common sense move that could be looked at
Dublin players are amateurs too and also have lives to live away from the inter county scene, this is an inconvenient fact and claiming otherwise really does undermine people's arguments
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Fair enough, Sid. I don't disagree with any of that.
However, my memory is getting flaky I know but in that replay Dublin pulled ahead in the last quarter or so. Mayo players were out on their feet at the end. I'd say the same happened in last year's final replay also. C!ifford in particular was dragged all over the place by his marker and failed to score in the last 20 minutes. Dublin may may have had a lucky escape in the drawn game but we're well-prepared for the next one and they can't be blamed for that.
Throughout the years when Mayo were serious contenders, Dublin got the lucky breaks more than once but Mayo never complained. That is what to expect at the business end in intercounty football. Moaning about Dublin's advantages will lead nowhere. At the same time, things cannot continue as they are.
If neither Kerry nor Mayo could slug it out to the end with Dublin, then I can't see any other team in the land being able to do so either.
In a proverbial nutshell, the pride in the parish and the loyalty to one's county has been the GAA's greatest strength down the years but there comes a time to let go and, imo, that time has arrived.
There's a right conundrum here: Dublin cannot survive if the county is divided- there aren't enough clubs in some of the new counties to allow them to stay viable and yet, if things continue as they are, the GAA will face financial meltdown.
A rock and a hard place comes to mind. ;D
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
Don't forget the women Dublin footballers. Sure they're on for 4 in a row this year.
But I suppose that's also down to a once in a generation group of lassies (can I still say lassies these days?)
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is
not unprecendented
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
Don't forget the women Dublin footballers. Sure they're on for 4 in a row this year.
But I suppose that's also down to a once in a generation group of lassies (can I still say lassies these days?)
The U21 hurlers have also won 4 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 43 years prior to 2007 they had won 2.
The minor hurlers have won 5 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 79 year prior to 2007 they had won 11.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 25, 2020, 01:50:22 PM
Fair enough, Sid. I don't disagree with any of that.
However, my memory is getting flaky I know but in that replay Dublin pulled ahead in the last quarter or so. Mayo players were out on their feet at the end. I'd say the same happened in last year's final replay also. C!ifford in particular was dragged all over the place by his marker and failed to score in the last 20 minutes. Dublin may may have had a lucky escape in the drawn game but we're well-prepared for the next one and they can't be blamed for that.
Throughout the years when Mayo were serious contenders, Dublin got the lucky breaks more than once but Mayo never complained. That is what to expect at the business end in intercounty football. Moaning about Dublin's advantages will lead nowhere. At the same time, things cannot continue as they are.
If neither Kerry nor Mayo could slug it out to the end with Dublin, then I can't see any other team in the land being able to do so either.
In a proverbial nutshell, the pride in the parish and the loyalty to one's county has been the GAA's greatest strength down the years but there comes a time to let go and, imo, that time has arrived.
There's a right conundrum here: Dublin cannot survive if the county is divided- there aren't enough clubs in some of the new counties to allow them to stay viable and yet, if things continue as they are, the GAA will face financial meltdown.
A rock and a hard place comes to mind. ;D
Players are generally out on their feet at the end of All-Ireland semi-final replays - Dublin were out on their feet at the end of the drawn 2015 semi-final
Events change matches - if Hennelly doesn't take a bad kickout and Mayo have an extra covering defender, Brogan probably doesn't get his foot on the end of a loose ball and score a goal - then McMahon probably doesn't slap the ball out of Hennelly's arms for another goal - and McManamon probably doesn't have the space to score a third goal, as Mayo probably aren't desperately pushing up into attack
In the 2019 replay against Kerry, the first half was even - the game changed because Murchan went through from the restart - and that goal was pretty dubious in terms of steps - had it been ruled out, as it probably should have been, you have a different game
If Kerry take one of the goal chances they had, you also have a different game
Clifford was marked like a hawk because Dublin know what he do - that's football
I think Mayo are probably not as strong as 2016 and 2017 now, but it's also arguable as to whether Dublin are better, and as I said Dublin do stand to lose eight or nine years really experienced, top performers, the real backbone of their success, over the next year or two, and the younger generation of leaders - Fenton, Kilkenny, Small etc. are no longer young either - they're 27, pushing 28
Kilkenny hurlers were thought invincible too
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
The concept is valid, then. We're now just haggling over the timing. This is progress.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Great for Kerry and for Mayo's best side ever. They can get within a few points - but still lose.
Not so good for the rest of the country. The intercounty championship used to have more going for it than the hope of catching out a goliath on an off day once or twice a decade.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
Dublin GAA and their supporters would do well to remember that it will be the other 31 counties deciding their fate.
I can definitely see a scenario where the rest of the GAA give Dublin the option of being split in 5/6/7/8 and if they don't accept the split being kicked out of the senior championsip.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
Don't forget the women Dublin footballers. Sure they're on for 4 in a row this year.
But I suppose that's also down to a once in a generation group of lassies (can I still say lassies these days?)
The U21 hurlers have also won 4 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 43 years prior to 2007 they had won 2.
The minor hurlers have won 5 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 79 year prior to 2007 they had won 11.
And one Leinster senior title is their lot, with another one not looking to be on the horizon
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
Dublin GAA and their supporters would do well to remember that it will be the other 31 counties deciding their fate.
I can definitely see a scenario where the rest of the GAA give Dublin the option of being split in 5/6/7/8 and if they don't accept the split being kicked out of the senior championsip.
You've obviously thought very deeply about this
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.
No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented
As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
The concept is valid, then. We're now just haggling over the timing. This is progress.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Great for Kerry and for Mayo's best side ever. They can get within a few points - but still lose.
Not so good for the rest of the country. The intercounty championship used to have more going for it than the hope of catching out a goliath on an off day once or twice a decade.
Dublin aren't going to win 15 or 20 in row
The historical competitiveness of the inter-county championships has also been quite overstated - I think this is because a lot of posters here were young in the 1990s and remember that era
But for the previous two decades, Ulster and Connacht might as well not have existed, they were cannon fodder
Kerry galloped ahead again from 2000 on with really only Tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh challenging them on a consistent basis
There has rarely been more than three or four genuine contenders in a year
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
Don't forget the women Dublin footballers. Sure they're on for 4 in a row this year.
But I suppose that's also down to a once in a generation group of lassies (can I still say lassies these days?)
The U21 hurlers have also won 4 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 43 years prior to 2007 they had won 2.
The minor hurlers have won 5 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 79 year prior to 2007 they had won 11.
And one Leinster senior title is their lot, with another one not looking to be on the horizon
The previous Leinster senior title Dublin won was in 1961. [There was no Galway in Leinster back then]
There's also the first and second All-Ireland club hurling titles won by Cuala.
Dublin hurling has never been stronger and with the huge underage numbers being tutored by the 70 coaches employed by Dublin GAA it's only a matter of time before Dublin starts picking up more hurling titles.
Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 03:54:36 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.
No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented
As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie A
You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster
Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row
This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin
If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
Dublin GAA and their supporters would do well to remember that it will be the other 31 counties deciding their fate.
I can definitely see a scenario where the rest of the GAA give Dublin the option of being split in 5/6/7/8 and if they don't accept the split being kicked out of the senior championsip.
You've obviously thought very deeply about this
Because I believe the current structure is wholly unfair and massively damaging to the GAA.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
Don't forget the women Dublin footballers. Sure they're on for 4 in a row this year.
But I suppose that's also down to a once in a generation group of lassies (can I still say lassies these days?)
The U21 hurlers have also won 4 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 43 years prior to 2007 they had won 2.
The minor hurlers have won 5 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 79 year prior to 2007 they had won 11.
And one Leinster senior title is their lot, with another one not looking to be on the horizon
The previous Leinster senior title Dublin won was in 1961. [There was no Galway in Leinster back then]
There's also the first and second All-Ireland club hurling titles won by Cuala.
Dublin hurling has never been stronger and with the huge underage numbers being tutored by the 70 coaches employed by Dublin GAA it's only a matter of time before Dublin starts picking up more hurling titles.
Dublin are around the ninth best team in hurling
Not exactly stellar, and not exactly only a matter of time before dominance is achieved
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
Dublin GAA and their supporters would do well to remember that it will be the other 31 counties deciding their fate.
I can definitely see a scenario where the rest of the GAA give Dublin the option of being split in 5/6/7/8 and if they don't accept the split being kicked out of the senior championsip.
You've obviously thought very deeply about this
Because I believe the current structure is wholly unfair and massively damaging to the GAA.
I was being sarcastic
I don't think you've thought about it very deeply at all
Dominance by one team for a prolonged period might not be great to watch but it is part of sport - it always come to an end eventually
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
The concept is valid, then. We're now just haggling over the timing. This is progress.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Great for Kerry and for Mayo's best side ever. They can get within a few points - but still lose.
Not so good for the rest of the country. The intercounty championship used to have more going for it than the hope of catching out a goliath on an off day once or twice a decade.
Dublin aren't going to win 15 or 20 in row
If you say so...
We'll be 40% of the way to 15 in a few weeks time.
And they're getting better.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 03:54:36 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.
No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented
As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie A
You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster
Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row
This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin
If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do
You're now comparing professional sports with ones that are supposedly amateur.
That's your problem here with defending the indefensible, you don't have enough smarts or integrity to debate the issue, you have to fabricate lies and spin to deflect.
We know quite clearly now that you are incapable of putting up a solid defence without insulting the intelligence of all the posters on this board.
You told us it was not unprecedented at intercounty football level, when the facts prove you wrong you then try to deflect to other sports. The issue here is Dublin GAA and no amount of spoofing on Scottish football or Italian football will detract us from that.
I don't think the public are ready for 7 in a row.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-if-dublin-win-six-will-the-gaa-see-it-as-a-problem-1.4020060
"If Dublin win six, then the thing moves from historic to overwhelming. In public, Dublin talk about humility and community and family. And they mean it. Their public persona is that it is a huge privilege to wear that jersey. And it is. But when they get down to business, it is a hugely professional structure driven by people whose specialise in excellence.
So for the rest of the GAA family, the sight of six-in-a-row will be a bridge too far. They will begin to insist on intervention. Nobody within the official GAA has stepped out yet and said: we acknowledge that this is a problem
Canavan has said we have to accept that this is the new reality. He is right. But the bigger picture is that the other counties just can't match it."
Dublin will keep on hoovering up titles as long as they are allowed to.
The core problem is the GAA who let them.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."
Quote from: seafoid on November 25, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."
It's possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.
History will probably say it was the money but I'm not so sure.
As I've probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
Demographics.
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 03:54:36 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.
No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented
As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie A
You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster
Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row
This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin
If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do
You're now comparing professional sports with ones that are supposedly amateur.
That's your problem here with defending the indefensible, you don't have enough smarts or integrity to debate the issue, you have to fabricate lies and spin to deflect.
We know quite clearly now that you are incapable of putting up a solid defence without insulting the intelligence of all the posters on this board.
You told us it was not unprecedented at intercounty football level, when the facts prove you wrong you then try to deflect to other sports. The issue here is Dublin GAA and no amount of spoofing on Scottish football or Italian football will detract us from that.
Whether sports are amateur or professional is totally irrelevant
In the Scottish Premier League and Serie A, teams have won nine in a row and yet you are huge fans of these leagues and desperate for Celtic to win 10 in a row against the might of Caley Thistle and Hamilton Accies, and, apparently, a club which has only existed since 2012 and has never won anything of note - at least say Celtic supporters
This does not compute
Quote from: seafoid on November 25, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."
TG4's viewing figures and the spectators at Croke Park increased hugely while Cork were winning 11 of 12 ladies' All-Irelands
I guess you could say they were good for the game
Quote from: caprea on November 25, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 25, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."
It's possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.
History will probably say it was the money but I'm not so sure.
As I've probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
Demographics.
How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?
I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects
Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 25, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 25, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."
It's possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.
History will probably say it was the money but I'm not so sure.
As I've probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
Demographics.
How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?
I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects
Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare
But of course Sid. It's only Dublin where the new population increase is all foreign immigrants. You'll never see a black person or polish person in Kildare. We actually only allow people in who can trace their lineage to an all Ireland winner.
Key point.. Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
That's the crux of the domination. The funding has a affect but is largely a red herring.
Culchies moving to Dublins suburbs after getting work in Dublin and taking their traditions of GAA with them.
It's economic more than sport.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
With no back door and no Super 8s - I could live with that again.
Dream on....
Sadly 2020s will be Dublin 9
Kerry 1
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 25, 2020, 03:54:36 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 25, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.
No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented
As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie A
You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster
Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row
This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin
If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do
You're now comparing professional sports with ones that are supposedly amateur.
That's your problem here with defending the indefensible, you don't have enough smarts or integrity to debate the issue, you have to fabricate lies and spin to deflect.
We know quite clearly now that you are incapable of putting up a solid defence without insulting the intelligence of all the posters on this board.
You told us it was not unprecedented at intercounty football level, when the facts prove you wrong you then try to deflect to other sports. The issue here is Dublin GAA and no amount of spoofing on Scottish football or Italian football will detract us from that.
Whether sports are amateur or professional is totally irrelevant
In the Scottish Premier League and Serie A, teams have won nine in a row and yet you are huge fans of these leagues and desperate for Celtic to win 10 in a row against the might of Caley Thistle and Hamilton Accies, and, apparently, a club which has only existed since 2012 and has never won anything of note - at least say Celtic supporters
This does not compute
As was pre-empted. You're trying to muddy the waters and deflect. This isn't a thread about association football, Celtic or Scottish football.
Why are you doing this? Because you support capitalist greed.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 25, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
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Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."
TG4's viewing figures and the spectators at Croke Park increased hugely while Cork were winning 11 of 12 ladies' All-Irelands
I guess you could say they were good for the game
LGF is not yet a national treasure
All Ireland fuball final is
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0112/1105792-rte-shows-clinch-42-spots-in-top-50-most-watched-of-19/
Are armchair fans going to watch the Dubs massacre culchie teams beyond 6 in a row?
They won't. It's not cricket
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
The 90s and 00s were the epitome of competitive football.
6 different counties won Leinster in that time (Dublin, Meath, Kildare, Laois, Westmeath, Offaly) with Louth and Wexford also going close.
All 5 Connacht counties won Connacht.
6 different counties won Ulster (Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Tyrone) and the remaining 3 counties were finalists with Monaghan and Fermanagh going very close in that time.
Munster had 3 different winners but bar Kerry Munster has always been a hurling province which is why Kerry have always had such dominance.
Counties like Fermanagh, Wexford and Sligo were making big impacts on the national stage.
Championship football was genuinely exciting then.
I think if you actually take Dublin out of it then this year's Championship really has shown the potential for it to get back that way but while GAA HQ keeps feeding the beast with their best meat then we have little chance of improving matters.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
Laythrum got to a SF too but lost by a lot of points.
Then again Mayowestros got bet by triple scores the previous year........I know I shouldn't but fk it :D ;D
Quote from: restorepride on November 25, 2020, 07:25:14 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
With no back door and no Super 8s - I could live with that again.
Oh, I forgot about ourselves in 1999. Lost by 4 to Meath.
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Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.
No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented
As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie A
You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster
Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row
This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin
If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do
You're now comparing professional sports with ones that are supposedly amateur.
That's your problem here with defending the indefensible, you don't have enough smarts or integrity to debate the issue, you have to fabricate lies and spin to deflect.
We know quite clearly now that you are incapable of putting up a solid defence without insulting the intelligence of all the posters on this board.
You told us it was not unprecedented at intercounty football level, when the facts prove you wrong you then try to deflect to other sports. The issue here is Dublin GAA and no amount of spoofing on Scottish football or Italian football will detract us from that.
Whether sports are amateur or professional is totally irrelevant
In the Scottish Premier League and Serie A, teams have won nine in a row and yet you are huge fans of these leagues and desperate for Celtic to win 10 in a row against the might of Caley Thistle and Hamilton Accies, and, apparently, a club which has only existed since 2012 and has never won anything of note - at least say Celtic supporters
This does not compute
As was pre-empted. You're trying to muddy the waters and deflect. This isn't a thread about association football, Celtic or Scottish football.
Why are you doing this? Because you support capitalist greed.
You gave the exact answer I expected you to give
A pig ignorant grunt
Quote from: Rossfan on November 25, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
Laythrum got to a SF too but lost by a lot of points.
Then again Mayowestros got bet by triple scores the previous year........I know I shouldn't but fk it :D ;D
Leitrim lost by 12. Yes Mayo lost heavily in 93, but I included them already as one of the 11 finalists.
Quote from: caprea on November 25, 2020, 07:24:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 25, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 25, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."
It's possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.
History will probably say it was the money but I'm not so sure.
As I've probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
Demographics.
How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?
I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects
Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare
But of course Sid. It's only Dublin where the new population increase is all foreign immigrants. You'll never see a black person or polish person in Kildare. We actually only allow people in who can trace their lineage to an all Ireland winner.
Key point.. Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
That's the crux of the domination. The funding has a affect but is largely a red herring.
Culchies moving to Dublins suburbs after getting work in Dublin and taking their traditions of GAA with them.
It's economic more than sport.
The crux of the domination is people who aren't playing and have no interest in playing for Dublin, or playing Gaelic Games at all?
How so?
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 25, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
Laythrum got to a SF too but lost by a lot of points.
Then again Mayowestros got bet by triple scores the previous year........I know I shouldn't but fk it :D ;D
Leitrim lost by 12. Yes Mayo lost heavily in 93, but I included them already as one of the 11 finalists.
Imagine Leitrim have been in a semi final since Ros were. Now that's something to smile at.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 09:35:12 PM
You gave the exact answer I expected you to give
A pig ignorant grunt
You're the one trying to frame a debate about Dublin GAA on association football.
Don't project your shortcomings.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 25, 2020, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 25, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
Laythrum got to a SF too but lost by a lot of points.
Then again Mayowestros got bet by triple scores the previous year........I know I shouldn't but fk it :D ;D
Leitrim lost by 12. Yes Mayo lost heavily in 93, but I included them already as one of the 11 finalists.
Imagine Leitrim have been in a semi final since Ros were. Now that's something to smile at.
Oh I see what's going on here. Where's me popcorn? :D
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
The 2000s had seven different finalists and four different winners - the exact same as the 2010s and the 1970s
1969-1990 had just five different winners
Cavan and Tipperary have already reached semi-finals in the 2020s
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 09:40:17 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 25, 2020, 07:24:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: caprea on November 25, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 25, 2020, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 25, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 25, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": "they were brilliant, and they were fools."
It's possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.
History will probably say it was the money but I'm not so sure.
As I've probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
Demographics.
How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?
I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects
Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare
But of course Sid. It's only Dublin where the new population increase is all foreign immigrants. You'll never see a black person or polish person in Kildare. We actually only allow people in who can trace their lineage to an all Ireland winner.
Key point.. Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
That's the crux of the domination. The funding has a affect but is largely a red herring.
Culchies moving to Dublins suburbs after getting work in Dublin and taking their traditions of GAA with them.
It's economic more than sport.
The crux of the domination is people who aren't playing and have no interest in playing for Dublin, or playing Gaelic Games at all?
How so?
Census Sid I think I'll call you from now on.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 25, 2020, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 25, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 25, 2020, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2020, 06:28:11 PM
in the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
Laythrum got to a SF too but lost by a lot of points.
Then again Mayowestros got bet by triple scores the previous year........I know I shouldn't but fk it :D ;D
Leitrim lost by 12. Yes Mayo lost heavily in 93, but I included them already as one of the 11 finalists.
Imagine Leitrim have been in a semi final since Ros were. Now that's something to smile at.
Touche oul pal.
Bet you have fond memories of Laythrum's Connacht Final win in '94.
Which dublin team is the greatest of all time , 2011 , 2013 or 2020 ?
Quote from: larryin89 on November 26, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
Which dublin team is the greatest of all time , 2011 , 2013 or 2020 ?
Hard to say. 2020 team have only won a Leinster title so you'd automatically discount them. 2011 side were the first team to win the All Ireland so they have a special place in Dublin folklore.
2013 is probably my favourite. Their all out attacking philosophy was great to watch and the semi final against Kerry that year was one of the best games and atmospheres I can remember.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 26, 2020, 04:45:28 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on November 26, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
Which dublin team is the greatest of all time , 2011 , 2013 or 2020 ?
Hard to say. 2020 team have only won a Leinster title so you'd automatically discount them. 2011 side were the first team to win the All Ireland so they have a special place in Dublin folklore.
2013 is probably my favourite. Their all out attacking philosophy was great to watch and the semi final against Kerry that year was one of the best games and atmospheres I can remember.
No harm to ya but kinda missing my point , which is Dublin have dominated with a fair bit of changing personal since 2011 , makes a bit of a mockery of once in a lifetime team , Paul flynn , rory o carrol , two brogans etc all yesterday's men , joining them nsoon now will be philly McMahon, mdma , all have been replaced by more once in a lifetime players and the cycle will never end cause of the huge advantages .
But Larryin you're meant to sit back and enjoy watching the Superteam.
Tough luck if you want a competitive game thrown in.
Quote from: larryin89 on November 26, 2020, 06:42:34 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 26, 2020, 04:45:28 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on November 26, 2020, 01:15:06 PM
Which dublin team is the greatest of all time , 2011 , 2013 or 2020 ?
Hard to say. 2020 team have only won a Leinster title so you'd automatically discount them. 2011 side were the first team to win the All Ireland so they have a special place in Dublin folklore.
2013 is probably my favourite. Their all out attacking philosophy was great to watch and the semi final against Kerry that year was one of the best games and atmospheres I can remember.
No harm to ya but kinda missing my point , which is Dublin have dominated with a fair bit of changing personal since 2011 , makes a bit of a mockery of once in a lifetime team , Paul flynn , rory o carrol , two brogans etc all yesterday's men , joining them nsoon now will be philly McMahon, mdma , all have been replaced by more once in a lifetime players and the cycle will never end cause of the huge advantages .
Apologies for not being a mind reader and answering what was asked. Why ask the question if you don't want an answer?
If you can name a team in any sport that has dominated forever and continues to dominate today please name them because I can't think of any.
I'm looking forward to the Dublin v Cavan semi final and the only disappointing thing is no fans will be allowed attend. It's a pity the dubs v Cavan is the first game on. Based on the level of interest on this board everyone is obsessed with the Dubs v Cavan game and Tipp v Mayo has barely got a mention.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 26, 2020, 06:52:17 PM
But Larryin you're meant to sit back and enjoy watching the Superteam.
Tough luck if you want a competitive game thrown in.
I think the Dubs would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky need for sport to be competitive.
GF is in a really weird state that has no future.
The blame has nothing to do with Dublin but the denial is worrying
If people aren't expecting a game in the All Ireland final they won't watch it.
Last year Dublin clearly left Mayo behind and added some humiliation into the bargain.
Usually the way it worked was for a team to come near the top then gain enough experience before it won a final. Armagh did it in 2000-01 . Offaly did it in 80-81. This doesn't happen any more. Teams are more likely to be hammered and they won't win Sam.
Quote from: seafoid on November 26, 2020, 07:41:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 26, 2020, 06:52:17 PM
But Larryin you're meant to sit back and enjoy watching the Superteam.
Tough luck if you want a competitive game thrown in.
I think the Dubs would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky need for sport to be competitive.
GF is in a really weird state that has no future.
GF has a future, the intercounty system does not.
Quote from: caprea on November 26, 2020, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 26, 2020, 07:41:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 26, 2020, 06:52:17 PM
But Larryin you're meant to sit back and enjoy watching the Superteam.
Tough luck if you want a competitive game thrown in.
I think the Dubs would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky need for sport to be competitive.
GF is in a really weird state that has no future.
GF has a future, the intercounty system does not.
It would be easier to threaten Dublin with expulsion than end the inter county system.
"What county man are you" is a staple of summer conversations
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2020, 12:43:38 AM
I'm so sick of hearing about Dublin's advantages and unfairness etc. As long as we go up Croker with gods honest intentions to kick seven shades out of them I'll be happy. Well turn them over sooner or later. If it takes longer so be it. We just have to keep making ourselves better and doing things right. And when the day comes and we beat them and hopefully go on to lift Sam it'll be some of the sweetest days of my life, adding that to memories of 87, 88, 91, 96 and 99.
So Juice. What do you think now ?
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2020, 07:51:34 AM
Quote from: caprea on November 26, 2020, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 26, 2020, 07:41:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 26, 2020, 06:52:17 PM
But Larryin you're meant to sit back and enjoy watching the Superteam.
Tough luck if you want a competitive game thrown in.
I think the Dubs would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky need for sport to be competitive.
GF is in a really weird state that has no future.
GF has a future, the intercounty system does not.
It would be easier to threaten Dublin with expulsion than end the inter county system.
It would certainly be stupider
Currently active All Ireland winners outside Dublin
Cork - Sheehan
Donegal - McGee, McGrath, Murphy, McBrearty
Kerry - Geaney, Moran, O'Brien, Crowley, Walsh, O'Donoghue, Murphy, Enright
You couldn't even field a team with them.
Quote from: Angelo on November 27, 2020, 04:10:10 PM
Currently active All Ireland winners outside Dublin
Cork - Sheehan
Donegal - McGee, McGrath, Murphy, McBrearty
Kerry - Geaney, Moran, O'Brien, Crowley, Walsh, O'Donoghue, Murphy, Enright
You couldn't even field a team with them.
Jaysus thats a mad old stat.
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
As they drive their free cars and pile up medals galore?
And land cushy jobs and feature in shampoo commercials?
There's some whingers on here.
Quote from: phpearse on November 27, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
What next ::)
Quote from: phpearse on November 27, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
I'm not sure what it's like for county supporters like the dubs, but at club level winning every year for so long we just wanted it to continue. I don't think there was any guilt felt by the players during that period.
Only a fool would want it to end
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 27, 2020, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: phpearse on November 27, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
What next ::)
I'll hazard a guess - another Leinster and All Ireland triumph for Dublin.
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2020, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2020, 12:43:38 AM
I'm so sick of hearing about Dublin's advantages and unfairness etc. As long as we go up Croker with gods honest intentions to kick seven shades out of them I'll be happy. Well turn them over sooner or later. If it takes longer so be it. We just have to keep making ourselves better and doing things right. And when the day comes and we beat them and hopefully go on to lift Sam it'll be some of the sweetest days of my life, adding that to memories of 87, 88, 91, 96 and 99.
So Juice. What do you think now ?
;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 27, 2020, 11:11:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2020, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2020, 12:43:38 AM
I'm so sick of hearing about Dublin's advantages and unfairness etc. As long as we go up Croker with gods honest intentions to kick seven shades out of them I'll be happy. Well turn them over sooner or later. If it takes longer so be it. We just have to keep making ourselves better and doing things right. And when the day comes and we beat them and hopefully go on to lift Sam it'll be some of the sweetest days of my life, adding that to memories of 87, 88, 91, 96 and 99.
So Juice. What do you think now ?
;D
;D
At this point it's up to Kerry, galway, donegal Tyrone, mayo and any other county with good footballers to come up with a squad good enough to eventually beat Dublin, I firmly believe James horan has a plan 2 to 3 year one mostly focusing on speed and athleticism but again I still feel all should be done to reduce dublins advantages and for the millionth time take the spoilt brats out of croke park , it's a start .
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2020, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: phpearse on November 27, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
I'm not sure what it's like for county supporters like the dubs, but at club level winning every year for so long we just wanted it to continue. I don't think there was any guilt felt by the players during that period.
Only a fool would want it to end
As a Dublin fan I think it's great to able to watch the likes of Fenton, Kilkenny, Cluxton in a Dublin jersey. Jack McCaffrey isn't there this year, but there's a buzz in the crowd when he gets the ball and you're just waiting for something to happen. That's why people watch sport.
Not only are they winning, but they play entertaining football. I don't know how people watched their county teams every game play dull negative defensive football that the rest of us had to sit through as the live game on the TV every sunday for years. At least watching on TV you could change the channel. Thankfully the majority of teams have moved away from this negative approach now
Dublin's domination is not going to last forever despite the hysterics and nonsense claimed here so just enjoying it while it lasts. Cluxton, McCarthy, Philly won't be around much longer so enjoying while we can.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 28, 2020, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2020, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: phpearse on November 27, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
I'm not sure what it's like for county supporters like the dubs, but at club level winning every year for so long we just wanted it to continue. I don't think there was any guilt felt by the players during that period.
Only a fool would want it to end
As a Dublin fan I think it's great to able to watch the likes of Fenton, Kilkenny, Cluxton in a Dublin jersey. Jack McCaffrey isn't there this year, but there's a buzz in the crowd when he gets the ball and you're just waiting for something to happen. That's why people watch sport.
Not only are they winning, but they play entertaining football. I don't know how people watched their county teams every game play dull negative defensive football that the rest of us had to sit through as the live game on the TV every sunday for years. At least watching on TV you could change the channel. Thankfully the majority of teams have moved away from this negative approach now
Dublin's domination is not going to last forever despite the hysterics and nonsense claimed here so just enjoying it while it lasts. Cluxton, McCarthy, Philly won't be around much longer so enjoying while we can.
Right, because there WON'T be top class replacements coming through to succeed them. ::)
Quote from: dublin7 on November 28, 2020, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2020, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: phpearse on November 27, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
I'm not sure what it's like for county supporters like the dubs, but at club level winning every year for so long we just wanted it to continue. I don't think there was any guilt felt by the players during that period.
Only a fool would want it to end
As a Dublin fan I think it's great to able to watch the likes of Fenton, Kilkenny, Cluxton in a Dublin jersey. Jack McCaffrey isn't there this year, but there's a buzz in the crowd when he gets the ball and you're just waiting for something to happen. That's why people watch sport.
Not only are they winning, but they play entertaining football. I don't know how people watched their county teams every game play dull negative defensive football that the rest of us had to sit through as the live game on the TV every sunday for years. At least watching on TV you could change the channel. Thankfully the majority of teams have moved away from this negative approach now
Dublin's domination is not going to last forever despite the hysterics and nonsense claimed here so just enjoying it while it lasts. Cluxton, McCarthy, Philly won't be around much longer so enjoying while we can.
Paul Flynn, Diarmuid Connolly, Paddy Andrews, Bernard Brogan, Eoghan O'Gara, Alan Brogan
Five years ago we were told these lads were a one in a generation and would not be replaced easily. And I'm only talking about forwards.
Dublin will always be challenging for honours like Tipp/Kilkenny in the hurling. Doesn't mean they'll continue to win everything until the end of time.
It's disappointing that people expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant and that is somehow a crime.
For those worried are dubs fans not enjoying this excellence of football execution I've got Christmas decorations with the 5 in a row on them going up for next week and dubs Christmas jumper is coming out to be worn to work. Dublin jerseys, jackets, face masks are a regular sight around Dublin so of we're playing a part in Dublin's dominance by pumping money into Dublin GAA coffers that's an added bonus
Quote from: J70 on November 28, 2020, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 28, 2020, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2020, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: phpearse on November 27, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
I'm not sure what it's like for county supporters like the dubs, but at club level winning every year for so long we just wanted it to continue. I don't think there was any guilt felt by the players during that period.
Only a fool would want it to end
As a Dublin fan I think it's great to able to watch the likes of Fenton, Kilkenny, Cluxton in a Dublin jersey. Jack McCaffrey isn't there this year, but there's a buzz in the crowd when he gets the ball and you're just waiting for something to happen. That's why people watch sport.
Not only are they winning, but they play entertaining football. I don't know how people watched their county teams every game play dull negative defensive football that the rest of us had to sit through as the live game on the TV every sunday for years. At least watching on TV you could change the channel. Thankfully the majority of teams have moved away from this negative approach now
Dublin's domination is not going to last forever despite the hysterics and nonsense claimed here so just enjoying it while it lasts. Cluxton, McCarthy, Philly won't be around much longer so enjoying while we can.
Right, because there WON'T be top class replacements coming through to succeed them. ::)
I don't see the replacements being as good as the ones mentioned in the post there. Especially in the case of cluxton and McCarthy
We don't expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant, we expect them to apologise for achieving that brilliance by drawing from the province sized population.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
We don't expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant, we expect them to apologise for achieving that brilliance by drawing from the province sized population.
Fair enough. Will you apologise to Fermanagh for building a team from a playing population bigger than they have.
Should Cork apologise to Tipp, Limerick etc for having a bigger playing population to pick from for their teams?
No apologies needed.
The other 31 County Boards and GAA HQ need to take action to make things more equal.
As it is it's like having Liverpool or the likes in the Irish soccer Leagues.
Ye'll notice there are 5 or 6 senior soccer clubs in Dublin.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 29, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
We don't expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant, we expect them to apologise for achieving that brilliance by drawing from the province sized population.
Fair enough. Will you apologise to Fermanagh for building a team from a playing population bigger than they have.
Should Cork apologise to Tipp, Limerick etc for having a bigger playing population to pick from for their teams?
Time to split Corofin because they draw from a much wider area and population than most clubs?
Quote from: dublin7 on November 29, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
We don't expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant, we expect them to apologise for achieving that brilliance by drawing from the province sized population.
Fair enough. Will you apologise to Fermanagh for building a team from a playing population bigger than they have.
Should Cork apologise to Tipp, Limerick etc for having a bigger playing population to pick from for their teams?
Context seems to be lost on the stupid.
Dub fans share so much in common with unionists.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
We don't expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant, we expect them to apologise for achieving that brilliance by drawing from the province sized population.
Dublin always had the advantage of population even as far back as the mid 80s when Meath won 5 out of 6 Leinster championships. From 1996 to 2010 inclusive Dublin appeared in zero All Ireland finals. They had the advantage of population for all that time. They've just got a brilliant group at the moment. This era of domination will pass. A good number of their finals recently were extremely close and could've gone either way. If even one of those results had gone the other way there would be a completely different narrative at the moment.
If me aunt....
Only one brilliant set of players since 2011?
Just a coincidence they came good a few years after HQ decided to help them?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 29, 2020, 02:09:09 PM
If me aunt....
Only one brilliant set of players since 2011?
Just a coincidence they came good a few years after HQ decided to help them?
Ah don't mind him. He's from Derry.
In case you hadn't noticed Derry GAA fans are self-saboteurs who have succeeded in bringing their county to the doldrums and now want to do the same to everyone else and the quickest way to that is creating a behemoth like Dublin who will dominate other teams with their financial power and endless other advantages.
Feck, a Derry lad as blinded as the rest.
Lenny, you've been watching to much RTE the last couple of years, McStay, Spillane, O'Rourke et all are not going to Jeoperdise their position as fat cats in a Dublin run Television station by calling this out.
Same for our National Dublin based Newspapers. Sponsors and Advertising have to be taken into account if criticising the current situation.
Quote from: lenny on November 29, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
We don't expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant, we expect them to apologise for achieving that brilliance by drawing from the province sized population.
Dublin always had the advantage of population even as far back as the mid 80s when Meath won 5 out of 6 Leinster championships. From 1996 to 2010 inclusive Dublin appeared in zero All Ireland finals. They had the advantage of population for all that time. They've just got a brilliant group at the moment. This era of domination will pass. A good number of their finals recently were extremely close and could've gone either way. If even one of those results had gone the other way there would be a completely different narrative at the moment.
When do you think this era of dominance will end? And if Dublin do lose to Mayo this year?* will they go on a 5 year 'drought' or be back demolishing teams in 2021?
*A man can dream. :)
Quote from: dublin7 on November 28, 2020, 06:58:57 PM
Dublin will always be challenging for honours like Tipp/Kilkenny in the hurling. Doesn't mean they'll continue to win everything until the end of time.
It's disappointing that people expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant and that is somehow a crime.
For those worried are dubs fans not enjoying this excellence of football execution I've got Christmas decorations with the 5 in a row on them going up for next week and dubs Christmas jumper is coming out to be worn to work. Dublin jerseys, jackets, face masks are a regular sight around Dublin so of we're playing a part in Dublin's dominance by pumping money into Dublin GAA coffers that's an added bonus
The stats show that Dublin are winning far more than their long term mean due to some mysterious factor that nobody seems to be able to identify.
If it was down to population they would be around the long term mean. Because the population hasn't increased by 40% since 2009.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 30, 2020, 09:17:12 AM
Quote from: lenny on November 29, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 29, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
We don't expect Dublin to apologise for being brilliant, we expect them to apologise for achieving that brilliance by drawing from the province sized population.
Dublin always had the advantage of population even as far back as the mid 80s when Meath won 5 out of 6 Leinster championships. From 1996 to 2010 inclusive Dublin appeared in zero All Ireland finals. They had the advantage of population for all that time. They've just got a brilliant group at the moment. This era of domination will pass. A good number of their finals recently were extremely close and could've gone either way. If even one of those results had gone the other way there would be a completely different narrative at the moment.
When do you think this era of dominance will end? And if Dublin do lose to Mayo this year?* will they go on a 5 year 'drought' or be back demolishing teams in 2021?
*A man can dream. :)
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Quote from: tonto1888 on November 28, 2020, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 28, 2020, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 28, 2020, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2020, 10:02:25 PM
Quote from: phpearse on November 27, 2020, 07:56:24 PM
You wonder do any of the Dublin players, even for just a moment, think that something just isn't right here. Do they think that the scales are heavily balanced in their favour and that doesn't quite sit right with them. Or inside that bubble of a county panel do they think that we just work harder than the rest, that we have better volunteers that other counties and that everyone else should work as hard as they do. You would have to think that at some point they wonder that beating other teams in Leinster by 10-20 points is fun or enjoyable or just sport. Maybe they are happy, great for Dublin GAA, feck the begrudgers. You would have to think as GAA men some part of them is not too happy with the current state of play.
I'm not sure what it's like for county supporters like the dubs, but at club level winning every year for so long we just wanted it to continue. I don't think there was any guilt felt by the players during that period.
Only a fool would want it to end
As a Dublin fan I think it's great to able to watch the likes of Fenton, Kilkenny, Cluxton in a Dublin jersey. Jack McCaffrey isn't there this year, but there's a buzz in the crowd when he gets the ball and you're just waiting for something to happen. That's why people watch sport.
Not only are they winning, but they play entertaining football. I don't know how people watched their county teams every game play dull negative defensive football that the rest of us had to sit through as the live game on the TV every sunday for years. At least watching on TV you could change the channel. Thankfully the majority of teams have moved away from this negative approach now
Dublin's domination is not going to last forever despite the hysterics and nonsense claimed here so just enjoying it while it lasts. Cluxton, McCarthy, Philly won't be around much longer so enjoying while we can.
Right, because there WON'T be top class replacements coming through to succeed them. ::)
I don't see the replacements being as good as the ones mentioned in the post there. Especially in the case of cluxton and McCarthy
That's naive thinking, you look at all the new players Dublin have introduced in the past 4/5 years - Byrne, O'Callaghan, Fenton, Scully, Howard, Bugler, Small x2 etc - one bit of the chess board moves on another comes in and it all runs seamlessly. It's a conveyor belt they have. There's probably 7 or 8 Dublin clubs who are better than the majority of Div 4 sides. Look at their u20/u21 record. They've lost Flynn, Brogans, Connolly - guys like McMahon, O'Sullivan, MDMA, McManamon, Andrews etc have all more or less being phased out at this point.
It's worrying for everyone else when you see Dublin this year where the likes of Howard and Mannion aren't even able to make the starting side.