Don't think there's a thread for this yet. Most teams will be happy enough to stay up and discover a couple of players, you could see from the league semis last year that there wasn't much interest in winning it. How many teams with new mangers, four? - Mayo, Cork, Roscommon & Down.
Odds for winning it outright:
Dublin - evens
Mayo - 9/2
Cork - 5/1
Kerry - 15/2
Donegal - 9/1
Monaghan - 11/1
Roscommon - 20/1
Down - 33/1
For relegation:
Down - 1/3
Roscommon - 11/8
Monaghan - 7/4
Donegal - 11/4
Kerry - 3/1
Cork - 7/2
Mayo - 11/2
Dublin - 28/1
It'll be a big step up for the two newcomers as reflected by the odds.
Monaghan to win it @ 11s seems like best value as does Mayo @ 11/2 for relegation considering our injury list although I'd hope we'll have enough to stay up.
I'll go with down and cork to be relegated and Dublin to beat monaghan in the final
Ros-Monaghan should be as hard to call as the 10/11 and 11/10 odds suggest. Wouldn't be looking to make money on that one.
Put your money on Dublin to win it again. Can't beat having home venue for semi and final.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2016, 11:01:29 PM
Put your money on Dublin to win it again. Can't beat having home venue for semi and final.
its no wonder Mayo win nothing with the home venue defeatist attitude. Both semi finals last year Mayo had as many supporters as Dublin rendering croker a neutral venue. A tired argument coming from a supporter clutching at straws. At this stage Mayo know croker well enough, they don't win coz they ain't good enough! Dublin simply the best team in the land, hammered Mayo last year in Mc Hale park! Good forwards put the ball over the bar, Aidan O Se Mayos best is a great player against the Sligos and Roscommons of this world but when it comes to crunch on big days he's crap, where Mayo to play Dublin 20 times on a good inter county pitch anywhere in the country Dublin would win 18 times. Better players better tactics better attitude better team.
Hard to know how Mayo will do. Especially in the first two games. I unlike everyone else would like to see Mayo win the league.
Quote from: Johnnybegood on January 27, 2016, 06:58:55 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2016, 11:01:29 PM
Put your money on Dublin to win it again. Can't beat having home venue for semi and final.
its no wonder Mayo win nothing with the home venue defeatist attitude. Both semi finals last year Mayo had as many supporters as Dublin rendering croker a neutral venue. A tired argument coming from a supporter clutching at straws. At this stage Mayo know croker well enough, they don't win coz they ain't good enough! Dublin simply the best team in the land, hammered Mayo last year in Mc Hale park! Good forwards put the ball over the bar, Aidan O Se Mayos best is a great player against the Sligos and Roscommons of this world but when it comes to crunch on big days he's crap, where Mayo to play Dublin 20 times on a good inter county pitch anywhere in the country Dublin would win 18 times. Better players better tactics better attitude better team.
Better grammar.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 27, 2016, 08:45:44 AM
Quote from: Johnnybegood on January 27, 2016, 06:58:55 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 26, 2016, 11:01:29 PM
Put your money on Dublin to win it again. Can't beat having home venue for semi and final.
its no wonder Mayo win nothing with the home venue defeatist attitude. Both semi finals last year Mayo had as many supporters as Dublin rendering croker a neutral venue. A tired argument coming from a supporter clutching at straws. At this stage Mayo know croker well enough, they don't win coz they ain't good enough! Dublin simply the best team in the land, hammered Mayo last year in Mc Hale park! Good forwards put the ball over the bar, Aidan O Se Mayos best is a great player against the Sligos and Roscommons of this world but when it comes to crunch on big days he's crap, where Mayo to play Dublin 20 times on a good inter county pitch anywhere in the country Dublin would win 18 times. Better players better tactics better attitude better team.
Better grammar.
good grammar must be worth at least 2 or 3 points per game 😉,
The way for Mayo to win is eight defenders, parsons and oSe junior in mf, oSe senior at ff flanked by 2 pacey players with one roving cf,
I think Cork will do well in the league this year, good squad, new management, point to prove. Dubs still the favourite of course. Expect Roscommon and Down to get relegated but it wouldn't be a major shock if Kerry, Donegal or Monaghan slipped down the last day.
The crying game has started all ready and the excuses are being rolled out, no surprise coming from Mayo fans.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 27, 2016, 10:34:56 AM
I think Cork will do well in the league this year, good squad, new management, point to prove. Dubs still the favourite of course. Expect Roscommon and Down to get relegated but it wouldn't be a major shock if Kerry, Donegal or Monaghan slipped down the last day.
Cork seem to do well in the league every year. Didn't they win it for three years in a row, before the Dubs current run of form? And if they don't win it, they make the semi final or final, at least. They (or Dublin) probably have the best Div 1 record this decade. Doesn't seem to matter much, when their Munster champo games with Kerry rolls around, or in their champo games after that.
Maybe their league success (against teams that are not taking the league seriously, or who are resting their big names) is giving them a false impression of how good they really are, or aren't.
Quote from: Beffs on January 27, 2016, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 27, 2016, 10:34:56 AM
I think Cork will do well in the league this year, good squad, new management, point to prove. Dubs still the favourite of course. Expect Roscommon and Down to get relegated but it wouldn't be a major shock if Kerry, Donegal or Monaghan slipped down the last day.
Cork seem to do well in the league every year. Didn't they win it for three years in a row, before the Dubs current run of form? And if they don't win it, they make the semi final or final, at least. They (or Dublin) probably have the best Div 1 record this decade. Doesn't seem to matter much, when their Munster champo games with Kerry rolls around, or in their champo games after that.
Maybe their league success (against teams that are not taking the league seriously, or who are resting their big names) is giving them a false impression of how good they really are, or aren't.
They sure did, said it in relation to some tipping them for relegation. One good kick in the stones (like the one they got off the Dubs in the league final last year or the last min equaliser in Killarney) really seems to knock them off their stride. More mental fortitude needed.
I think Mayo will win the league. The injury list is not as bad as the media make out and up to 11 starters from their last championship game could line out in Cork on Sunday. A league title straight away for Rochford will show he means business.
Dublin could take a relax approach to the league this year and it wouldnt surprise me if they miss out on a semi final spot. Down and Roscommon have done great to rise to div one but I think the bookies will be spot on and it will be a short visit to div one for both.
I'd say we won't even be able to keep the ball kicked out to the 7 superteams :-[
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 27, 2016, 02:57:17 PM
I think Mayo will win the league. The injury list is not as bad as the media make out and up to 11 starters from their last championship game could line out in Cork on Sunday. A league title straight away for Rochford will show he means business.
Dublin could take a relax approach to the league this year and it wouldnt surprise me if they miss out on a semi final spot. Down and Roscommon have done great to rise to div one but I think the bookies will be spot on and it will be a short visit to div one for both.
Why would they take a relaxed approach to this years league, when they haven't exactly been sitting on their arse for their previous 3 league campaigns under Jim Gavin? He had a very strong team lining out against Longford. It had about half of the team that started in the AI final on it. If he's doing that for the lowly O'Byrne Cup, I doubt if he is going to try and take it handy during the league.
There is a lot of competition for places in that squad too, especially among the forwards. So I'd say a lot of them will be up for laying down a marker, when it comes to hanging onto their jerseys, or nabbing someone elses.
Very hard to know but id go for Dublin, Cork, Mayo and Monaghan to be semi finalists with Down and Roscommon to get relegated maybe . A lot of roscommons league campaign will hinge on Sunday's result imo. Same could be said for Mayo and our first two games , two wins I'd fancy our chances ,gather momentum and confidence ,maybe even win it but two defeats and we could struggle to survive .
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
I'd say we won't even be able to keep the ball kicked out to the 7 superteams :-[
Claff has been doing a good job keeping balls from both teams recently.
Quote from: Beffs on January 27, 2016, 03:32:06 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 27, 2016, 02:57:17 PM
I think Mayo will win the league. The injury list is not as bad as the media make out and up to 11 starters from their last championship game could line out in Cork on Sunday. A league title straight away for Rochford will show he means business.
Dublin could take a relax approach to the league this year and it wouldnt surprise me if they miss out on a semi final spot. Down and Roscommon have done great to rise to div one but I think the bookies will be spot on and it will be a short visit to div one for both.
Why would they take a relaxed approach to this years league, when they haven't exactly been sitting on their arse for their previous 3 league campaigns under Jim Gavin? He had a very strong team lining out against Longford. It had about half of the team that started in the AI final on it. If he's doing that for the lowly O'Byrne Cup, I doubt if he is going to try and take it handy during the league.
There is a lot of competition for places in that squad too, especially among the forwards. So I'd say a lot of them will be up for laying down a marker, when it comes to hanging onto their jerseys, or nabbing someone elses.
You do realise the last few years Dublin due to experimenting with different teams and systems only sneaked into semi finals when it looked like they wouldn't. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out on semi final spot this year however if they do reach the semi final I would expect Dublin to win the league again.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
I'd say we won't even be able to keep the ball kicked out to the 7 superteams :-[
You're exaggerating again Rossfan, there are only 6 superteams.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 27, 2016, 04:13:24 PM
You do realise the last few years Dublin due to experimenting with different teams and systems only sneaked into semi finals when it looked like they wouldn't. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if they miss out on semi final spot this year however if they do reach the semi final I would expect Dublin to win the league again.
Yes, I am well aware that they experiment in the early rounds of the league, but that hasn't stopped them from winning the thing for the last 3 years. I don't see any reason for that not to happen again this year. Not unless the Mayos and the Kerrys step up this year. Given their injury problems (as well as the general malaise that exists in the counties towards using the league to prep for the summer,) I don't think they will.
To win the league, you don't need to top the table after the last round of games. You just need to be somewhere in the top 4 to make it to the semis. Once they are there, it's late April and all of their big names have returned, its plain sailing for them.....well, it is more than when it was back in February, when they were trying to eek out a result with their B squad & a few of their U21's
The league is a strange animal. Everybody want to be at the top table. To win the league you have to be better in second gear than 4 teams 3 wins can some times get you there. Dublin will win it. They will do enough to sneak in. Mayo/Kerry/Cork/Donegal won't care bar staying up. Last year Donegal just fulfilled the semi final fixture. They had no heed on it. Mayo were the same the year before. I think both qualified trying to avoid relegation. Poor Eugene McGee nearly had a banana saying Derry could teach Mayo a lot after they defeated Mayo in 2014. And he was right they taught us that you can invest to much into the league. Derry went out to Longford in the championship.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0127/763482-bernard-flynn/
Berno Flynn reckons we'll cut a dash right through D1 and stay up. Hopefully we prove him right. He's about right in how serious we are about the Monaghan game. It's not our championship but it's more important to our future than many championship games have been.
Sligo and Fermanagh games had a bit of effect on our future ;)( and John Evans' too)
If Roscommon make a hash of things the way the did picking the first venue for their game then there isn't much hope....
I'd love to see them Down and Monaghan do well to prove a few of the bigger teams wrong.
Massive games if any of them can get 4 points from them then they could stay up or more.
Dublin will reach the semi but I fancy maybe Cork to win it !
Quote from: Unlaoised on January 28, 2016, 04:08:17 PM
If Roscommon make a hash of things the way the did picking the first venue for their game then there isn't much hope....
I'd love to see them Down and Monaghan do well to prove a few of the bigger teams wrong.
Massive games if any of them can get 4 points from them then they could stay up or more.
Dublin will reach the semi but I fancy maybe Cork to win it !
Nonsense.
We will see in a short few weeks time who's talking the nonsense , like I've said previous , Ros get relegated and it's a complete disaster for the whole set up .
No it's not.
I hope we can stay up but if we don't so be it.
It's all about what happens after May day.
The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2016, 08:02:19 PM
No it's not.
I hope we can stay up but if we don't so be it.
It's all about what happens after May day.
Well I'd have to disagree with you there sir . If relegated , Nestor cup becomes your only way to salvage progression and that sir is not going to happen imho as Mayo will walk Connacht once again but sure it's all about difference of opinion . I'd be interested to hear your take though if that were to happen , let's say worst case scenario , relegation, heavy defeat to ourselves in cf and an exit in qualifying rd , would you then begin to question the ability and expectations of this current crop of Roscommon footballers ?
I just don't get the whole vibe about Roscommon , most people would say my worst case scenario example above is not going to happen but on the flip side of that , the betting forecast would suggest that's not quite favourite but very near it . Roscommon are at a very important crossroads in their development as a team , you have to see the fruits of it soon or you'll see another false dawn very quick.
Everything is about timeline with these development plans , Ros are depending on factors they don't control as such like the demise of Mayo as quite clearly suggested by John Evans last year , Galway seem to be forgotten (why I'll never understand) . Then you have the fact your experienced players have no experience of winning to lend to the youth coming through (which I admit look very decent but unproven at top level yet) . Interesting times ahead for sure, I won't lie I will be looking to see how Ros get on with interest but I still don't feel like I'm looking over my shoulder yet .
Ps. I don't gloss over the rivalry like your bullshit GAA supporter , I hope Ye get stuffed on Sunday. 😄
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
Scrap Semi and Final altogether. Table topper is Champion. The Semi-finals and finals have been awful the last couple of years. Most semifinalists don't want to make final against Dublin as they know they will get a hiding. Donegal and Mayo being prime examples in 2015 and 2014 respectively.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 28, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
Scrap Semi and Final altogether. Table topper is Champion. The Semi-finals and finals have been awful the last couple of years. Most semifinalists don't want to make final against Dublin as they know they will get a hiding. Donegal and Mayo being prime examples in 2015 and 2014 respectively.
The D2 final was mighty last year 8). D1 final not so much because Cork had absolutely no conviction they could win going in. Monaghan gave Dublin a real rattle in the semi sure.
Top two playing each other may be better in D1, but honestly the semis give the chance of a new team getting a run at a league title. You tend to need massive depth to be in the top two of D1. No way the semis should be at Croker though, maybe neutral venues or home advantage to the top two?
Quote from: larryin89 on January 28, 2016, 08:35:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 28, 2016, 08:02:19 PM
No it's not.
I hope we can stay up but if we don't so be it.
It's all about what happens after May day.
Well I'd have to disagree with you there sir . If relegated , Nestor cup becomes your only way to salvage progression and that sir is not going to happen imho as Mayo will walk Connacht once again but sure it's all about difference of opinion . I'd be interested to hear your take though if that were to happen , let's say worst case scenario , relegation, heavy defeat to ourselves in cf and an exit in qualifying rd , would you then begin to question the ability and expectations of this current crop of Roscommon footballers ?
I just don't get the whole vibe about Roscommon , most people would say my worst case scenario example above is not going to happen but on the flip side of that , the betting forecast would suggest that's not quite favourite but very near it . Roscommon are at a very important crossroads in their development as a team , you have to see the fruits of it soon or you'll see another false dawn very quick.
Everything is about timeline with these development plans , Ros are depending on factors they don't control as such like the demise of Mayo as quite clearly suggested by John Evans last year , Galway seem to be forgotten (why I'll never understand) . Then you have the fact your experienced players have no experience of winning to lend to the youth coming through (which I admit look very decent but unproven at top level yet) . Interesting times ahead for sure, I won't lie I will be looking to see how Ros get on with interest but I still don't feel like I'm looking over my shoulder yet .
Ps. I don't gloss over the rivalry like your bullshit GAA supporter , I hope Ye get stuffed on Sunday. 😄
Perhaps you don't but you talk enough about them to be fair, like the rest of your post.
Quote from: Syferus on January 28, 2016, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 28, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
Scrap Semi and Final altogether. Table topper is Champion. The Semi-finals and finals have been awful the last couple of years. Most semifinalists don't want to make final against Dublin as they know they will get a hiding. Donegal and Mayo being prime examples in 2015 and 2014 respectively.
The D2 final was mighty last year 8). D1 final not so much because Cork had absolutely no conviction they could win going in. Monaghan gave Dublin a real rattle in the semi sure.
Top two playing each other may be better in D1, but honestly the semis give the chance of a new team getting a run at a league title. You tend to need massive depth to be in the top two of D1. No way the semis should be at Croker though, maybe neutral venues or home advantage to the top two?
The Answer is Corporate Boxes! My wife who is an Accountant - Tells me this every time there is a game in Croker. One of her Clients has a Corporate Box. It would scare you the price of one of them plus the extras!
Div one thread, they are in it , plus I was replying to flynns article which was put up firstly and then replying to someone who replied to that comment all about Roscommon.
Anyway wtf am I explaining to you for ,go and get fooked like .
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
The league is a strange animal. Everybody want to be at the top table. To win the league you have to be better in second gear than 4 teams 3 wins can some times get you there. Dublin will win it. They will do enough to sneak in. Mayo/Kerry/Cork/Donegal won't care bar staying up. Last year Donegal just fulfilled the semi final fixture. They had no heed on it. Mayo were the same the year before. I think both qualified trying to avoid relegation. Poor Eugene McGee nearly had a banana saying Derry could teach Mayo a lot after they defeated Mayo in 2014. And he was right they taught us that you can invest to much into the league. Derry went out to Longford in the championship.
Surely it was Mayo who first taught that lesson to others :P
Quote from: Owenmoresider on January 28, 2016, 11:34:30 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 27, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
The league is a strange animal. Everybody want to be at the top table. To win the league you have to be better in second gear than 4 teams 3 wins can some times get you there. Dublin will win it. They will do enough to sneak in. Mayo/Kerry/Cork/Donegal won't care bar staying up. Last year Donegal just fulfilled the semi final fixture. They had no heed on it. Mayo were the same the year before. I think both qualified trying to avoid relegation. Poor Eugene McGee nearly had a banana saying Derry could teach Mayo a lot after they defeated Mayo in 2014. And he was right they taught us that you can invest to much into the league. Derry went out to Longford in the championship.
Surely it was Mayo who first taught that lesson to others :P
:) :D ;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
You never know. Stranger things have happened. In both 2014 & 2015, one of the newly promoted counties were relegated again the following year and the other one stayed up. One of them might just manage it. I think Roscommon might do it, given how early they play Kerry & the McStay factor.
Quote from: Beffs on January 29, 2016, 12:09:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
You never know. Stranger things have happened. In both 2014 & 2015, one of the newly promoted counties were relegated again the following year and the other one stayed up. One of them might just manage it. I think Roscommon might do it, given how early they play Kerry & the McStay factor.
Everyone overlooks FOD because of McStay but he's easily the best Roscommon manager/coach in my lifetime. McStay was so adamant on him that he wasn't going to agree to do the job if FOD wasn't co-manager.
Dublin by four points
Donegal by two points
Monaghan by three points
Mayo by two points.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
Dublin by four points
Donegal by two points
Monaghan by three points
Mayo by two points.
Be surprised if a patched up Mayo beat a strong looking Cork side.
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
Dublin by four points
Donegal by two points
Monaghan by three points
Mayo by two points.
Be surprised if a patched up Mayo beat a strong looking Cork side.
Cork are starting Sunday without 7 or 8 of their first choice players. It will not be a patched up Mayo team.
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
Dublin by four points
Donegal by two points
Monaghan by three points
Mayo by two points.
Be surprised if a patched up Mayo beat a strong looking Cork side.
I haven't seen the Mayo team yet however I'd even fancy Armagh to beat that Cork selection on Sunday.
Larry must be running the oddschecker website. No sign of Ross in 2 markets
http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/nfl-division-1/relegation
http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/nfl-division-1/winner
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
Dublin by four points
Donegal by two points
Monaghan by three points
Mayo by two points.
Be surprised if a patched up Mayo beat a strong looking Cork side.
I haven't seen the Mayo team yet however I'd even fancy Armagh to beat that Cork selection on Sunday.
The list of Mayo absentees tells you which of the two are stronger going into Sunday.
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 12:58:47 AM
Quote from: Beffs on January 29, 2016, 12:09:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
You never know. Stranger things have happened. In both 2014 & 2015, one of the newly promoted counties were relegated again the following year and the other one stayed up. One of them might just manage it. I think Roscommon might do it, given how early they play Kerry & the McStay factor.
Everyone overlooks FOD because of McStay but he's easily the best Roscommon manager/coach in my lifetime. McStay was so adamant on him that he wasn't going to agree to do the job if FOD wasn't co-manager.
If argue Marty Mc's record would be better than FOD. We have good individual players. Lets hope we can play as a team and with some tactics. I think we are short on pace and midfield in general so staying up will be tough.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 29, 2016, 02:43:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 12:58:47 AM
Quote from: Beffs on January 29, 2016, 12:09:44 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 28, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
You never know. Stranger things have happened. In both 2014 & 2015, one of the newly promoted counties were relegated again the following year and the other one stayed up. One of them might just manage it. I think Roscommon might do it, given how early they play Kerry & the McStay factor.
Everyone overlooks FOD because of McStay but he's easily the best Roscommon manager/coach in my lifetime. McStay was so adamant on him that he wasn't going to agree to do the job if FOD wasn't co-manager.
If argue Marty Mc's record would be better than FOD. We have good individual players. Lets hope we can play as a team and with some tactics. I think we are short on pace and midfield in general so staying up will be tough.
Having to play Enda in the middle doesn't help with pace, he's a burner and has to sit too deep and break ball away from himself too much to go on his trademark runs most of the time. Would be happier with Killer/Shine in the middle and Enda on the wing where he'd give any back in the country a headache.
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
Dublin by four points
Donegal by two points
Monaghan by three points
Mayo by two points.
Be surprised if a patched up Mayo beat a strong looking Cork side.
I haven't seen the Mayo team yet however I'd even fancy Armagh to beat that Cork selection on Sunday.
The list of Mayo absentees tells you which of the two are stronger going into Sunday.
To quote WJ over on mayogaablog. the notion that we're likely to name a weakened team tonight doesn't look all that plausible.
I had Cork down to win I think I might change that now.
In the other games an all Ulster affair between Down Donegal could end in a draw. Down must win their home games to be in any chance of staying up. Same goes for Roscommon but Monaghan have selected a near full strength team and will fancy their chances to return home with a win on Sunday.
Kerry have I think 8 of their All Ireland final team Sunday I would expect the dubs to win that game.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2016, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 29, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2016, 01:43:40 PM
Dublin by four points
Donegal by two points
Monaghan by three points
Mayo by two points.
Be surprised if a patched up Mayo beat a strong looking Cork side.
I haven't seen the Mayo team yet however I'd even fancy Armagh to beat that Cork selection on Sunday.
The list of Mayo absentees tells you which of the two are stronger going into Sunday.
To quote WJ over on mayogaablog. the notion that we're likely to name a weakened team tonight doesn't look all that plausible.
I had Cork down to win I think I might change that now.
In the other games an all Ulster affair between Down Donegal could end in a draw. Down must win their home games to be in any chance of staying up. Same goes for Roscommon but Monaghan have selected a near full strength team and will fancy their chances to return home with a win on Sunday.
Kerry have I think 8 of their All Ireland final team Sunday I would expect the dubs to win that game.
No, it's more than plausible. It's guaranteed. Most of those listed above won't be playing. And if many of them are it means Rochford is desperate and betting the house on an away league game to Cork (why would he?) and it would probably make a Cork win more likely not less.
Kerry team a lot stronger than I was expecting, although a very young bench. No sign of the Dubs team yet.
Quote from: Hound on January 29, 2016, 04:57:38 PM
Kerry team a lot stronger than I was expecting, although a very young bench. No sign of the Dubs team yet.
Only half of the starters of the team Dublin wiped the floor with four months ago..
Dublin will be far from full strength either. I can see Kerry being really up for this one and going all out to win it. They need the win more than Dublin do, even if its only the league.
Quote from: Beffs on January 29, 2016, 06:00:48 PM
Dublin will be far from full strength either. I can see Kerry being really up for this one and going all out to win it. They need the win more than Dublin do, even if its only the league.
They got back from their holidays two weeks ago.
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The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
You never know. Stranger things have happened. In both 2014 & 2015, one of the newly promoted counties were relegated again the following year and the other one stayed up. One of them might just manage it. I think Roscommon might do it, given how early they play Kerry & the McStay factor.
Everyone overlooks FOD because of McStay but he's easily the best Roscommon manager/coach in my lifetime. McStay was so adamant on him that he wasn't going to agree to do the job if FOD wasn't co-manager.
Hmmm. McStay explained why he insisted on FOD. I was surprised he was so honest. Basically FOD has a lot of credibility with Roscommon fans and McStay is an outsider. They will get more slack if things go badly early with FOD in the management because outside managers (especially Mayo ones) get ran out on a rail when things go tits up. McStay sees this gig as a long term project and FOD seems to be on board to buy time if things don t work out early on.
I'm a bit disappointed that McStay did not have the conviction/confidence to go it alone but can see his reasoning. Turning to FOD as a safety net shows a bit of weakness though imo. Really now Ros. have joint managers in essence. That is not usually good.
FOD has already made his presence felt. He insisted McHale vacated his role as Ballina coach (and rightly so) because there was a conflict of interest there, with McHale working with Ballina players who could be playing against Roscommon later.
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The Dubs to win another league title because their strength in depth is way ahead of the rest. Would be a bold prediction to say Down or Roscommon will avoid relegation.
I think it's now time to scrap the semi finals for a group eight.
You never know. Stranger things have happened. In both 2014 & 2015, one of the newly promoted counties were relegated again the following year and the other one stayed up. One of them might just manage it. I think Roscommon might do it, given how early they play Kerry & the McStay factor.
Everyone overlooks FOD because of McStay but he's easily the best Roscommon manager/coach in my lifetime. McStay was so adamant on him that he wasn't going to agree to do the job if FOD wasn't co-manager.
Hmmm. McStay explained why he insisted on FOD. I was surprised he was so honest. Basically FOD has a lot of credibility with Roscommon fans and McStay is an outsider. They will get more slack if things go badly early with FOD in the management because outside managers (especially Mayo ones) get ran out on a rail when things go tits up. McStay sees this gig as a long term project and FOD seems to be on board to buy time if things don t work out early on.
I'm a bit disappointed that McStay did not have the conviction/confidence to go it alone but can see his reasoning. Turning to FOD as a safety net shows a bit of weakness though imo. Really now Ros. have joint managers in essence. That is not usually good.
FOD has already made his presence felt. He insisted McHale vacated his role as Ballina coach (and rightly so) because there was a conflict of interest there, with McHale working with Ballina players who could be playing against Roscommon later.
FOD also has a lot of experience at senior IC, McStay has none. He's not just there as a fireguard ffs. McStay has lived in Roscommon town for a long time and Ros Gaels was FOD's hometown club and also the one McStay has been involved in locally. His daughters are Rossies and grew up watching FOD play for or coach Roscommon.
McStay would know the club game in the county very intimately and knows many of the people in Roscommon GAA personally so the idea he was ever just an outsider was never correct. There's no one in the county talking about our 'outside' manager. In actuality McStay learnt how to be a manager exclusively within Roscommon.
They've know each other for years, it's not like McStay rang him up out of the blue to do a massive three or four year job, which ironically is exactly what Rochford did when he rang up Tony McEntee who was in the process of totally flopping at St. Brigids in Dublin. If they didn't get on well they would never have teamed up so intimately in the first place.
Simply put McStay got the best coach in the county involved. That can only ever be a good thing. Too many managers have too much ego and see any other talented coaches as threats. If anything McStay showed remarkable self-confidence working with someone as revered in the county as FOD.
There was also no way FOD was going to work with the outgoing CB chairman Michael Fahy again so it was very fortuitous his tenure was up in December.
Wonder how much he is charging syf
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Wonder how much he is charging syf
Lol but it was a very defensive post by syf , jeez I nearly shed a tear reading it esp the bit abou mcstays daughters been rossies. And the fire guard analogy had me melting altogether .
What we can gather from it is if it goes tits up for Kevin MC and co , the rossie casuals are not going to gather round the dressing rooms after games lookin to kill the Mayo c u n t because hes nearly one of their on well at least his girls are anyway and the fireguard FOD will be big enough to take the summer heat off him .
It is a very factual post by syf and is exactly how I understand the situation to be, fod A fireguard for Mcstay? you must be joking and if any of ye think that ye know nothing about Roscommon football.
What this combination bring out of these group of players remains to be seen, imo we are a couple of pence short of a schilling but as the team evolves these gaps can be filled, I give us an even chance of staying up but we may be relagated and if we are it wont be the end of the world because the lessons learned will stand to us in the long run, Tyrone went down last year and so far it has done them no harm, we have a few good players to come into the team yet and if we can get all fit we should be a good team able to compete at a high level.
Regardless of what some of our neighbours think the rossie supporters are a fairly down to earth bunch and know the limitations of our team, we also know when a good job is being done at management level and if we evicted one or two in the past it was not because of their race or creed.
Quoteimo we are a couple of pence short of a schilling
your team are a couple of groschen short of a schilling.
Here's a question.
Was McStay player manager when Roscommon Gaels were beaten by Ballina in the Connacht Club, way back in 2004, or something.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
Here's a question.
Was McStay player manager when Roscommon Gaels were beaten by Ballina in the Connacht Club, way back in 2004, or something.
He was the manager. Last time Ros Gaels have been anything but paper tigers in Roscommon. McStay was actually FOD's manager that year.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
Here's a question.
Was McStay player manager when Roscommon Gaels were beaten by Ballina in the Connacht Club, way back in 2004, or something.
He was the manager. Last time Ros Gaels have been anything but paper tigers in Roscommon. McStay was actually FOD's manager that year.
McStay would have been about 42.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 30, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
Here's a question.
Was McStay player manager when Roscommon Gaels were beaten by Ballina in the Connacht Club, way back in 2004, or something.
He was the manager. Last time Ros Gaels have been anything but paper tigers in Roscommon. McStay was actually FOD's manager that year.
McStay would have been about 42.
Yep. Won the county title. Ironically the last man to do it before St. Brigids started their journey to the AI.
Thats some trimming Down got, Down 0.07 Donegal 3.15, Donegal still the best bet for Ulster this year, Down going in reverse.
down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Quote from: skeog on January 30, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Always thought they were lucky to go up but Christ did they look out of their depth tonight. Certs to go down.
Nightmare return to division one for Down if they don't improve they will do as Westmeath did and lose all seven games.
Has Ryan McHugh gained an inch or two? Looks taller as well as having filled out a bit. Could be a very big year for him.
Tried to watch both games but Down looked rubbish, also think they'd get relegated from Div 2.
Kerry wont be heartbroken tonight.
Bloody hell... If Mayo lose tomorrow, we may be in bother to stay up. Dublin and Donegal complete the first three games
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Quote from: skeog on January 30, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Always thought they were lucky to go up but Christ did they look out of their depth tonight. Certs to go down.
Down were not lucky to go up, the standard in Div 2 last year was poor. Who in your opinion should have went up instead of Down? The only team I can think of is Galway.
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down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Always thought they were lucky to go up but Christ did they look out of their depth tonight. Certs to go down.
Down were not lucky to go up, the standard in Div 2 last year was poor. Who in your opinion should have went up instead of Down? The only team I can think of is Galway.
I think Down were the least poor of a poor bunch last year.
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Quote from: skeog on January 30, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Always thought they were lucky to go up but Christ did they look out of their depth tonight. Certs to go down.
Down were not lucky to go up, the standard in Div 2 last year was poor. Who in your opinion should have went up instead of Down? The only team I can think of is Galway.
I think Down were the least poor of a poor bunch last year.
Getting well beaten twice by us would say differently.
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Quote from: skeog on January 30, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Always thought they were lucky to go up but Christ did they look out of their depth tonight. Certs to go down.
Down were not lucky to go up, the standard in Div 2 last year was poor. Who in your opinion should have went up instead of Down? The only team I can think of is Galway.
Thought they were lucky to win a few games. Anyone who got a bit of luck could've went up instead and would probably get the same beatings Down are going to get.
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Quote from: skeog on January 30, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Always thought they were lucky to go up but Christ did they look out of their depth tonight. Certs to go down.
Down were not lucky to go up, the standard in Div 2 last year was poor. Who in your opinion should have went up instead of Down? The only team I can think of is Galway.
I think Down were the least poor of a poor bunch last year.
Getting well beaten twice by us would say differently.
Calm yourself there Syf, I meant Down and Roscommon were the least poor of a poor bunch. We finished top of the league proper from what I remember though, which wouldn't say differently. Don't think you can include the final owing to some of the calls on the day.
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Quote from: skeog on January 30, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Always thought they were lucky to go up but Christ did they look out of their depth tonight. Certs to go down.
Down were not lucky to go up, the standard in Div 2 last year was poor. Who in your opinion should have went up instead of Down? The only team I can think of is Galway.
I think Down were the least poor of a poor bunch last year.
Getting well beaten twice by us would say differently.
Calm yourself there Syf, I meant Down and Roscommon were the least poor of a poor bunch. We finished top of the league proper from what I remember though, which wouldn't say differently. Don't think you can include the final owing to some of the calls on the day.
It was a near mirror image of the league game up in Newry though. We lost to Laois which was probably the freak result of the whole division. I think Down let themselves be pushed around too easily, I remember some Down posters commenting on how much bigger our lads were compared to theirs last year but I'd have never considered us a particularly big or physical side. I can't see Down doing a Westmeath and just losing every match in D1 despite this start.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2016, 08:53:20 PM
Nightmare return to division one for Down if they don't improve they will do as Westmeath did and lose all seven games.
I agree, if a team does not improve after a game in which they were absolutely hammered, they will lose every game.
This punditry gig can be really taxing in order to come up good original analysis about a game.
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Quote from: skeog on January 30, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
down team wouldnt survive in div 2 never mind div 1 some display by donegal though
Always thought they were lucky to go up but Christ did they look out of their depth tonight. Certs to go down.
Down were not lucky to go up, the standard in Div 2 last year was poor. Who in your opinion should have went up instead of Down? The only team I can think of is Galway.
I think Down were the least poor of a poor bunch last year.
Getting well beaten twice by us would say differently.
Calm yourself there Syf, I meant Down and Roscommon were the least poor of a poor bunch. We finished top of the league proper from what I remember though, which wouldn't say differently. Don't think you can include the final owing to some of the calls on the day.
It was a near mirror image of the league game up in Newry though. We lost to Laois which was probably the freak result of the whole division. I think Down let themselves be pushed around too easily, I remember some Down posters commenting on how much bigger our lads were compared to theirs last year but I'd have never considered us a particularly big or physical side. I can't see Down doing a Westmeath and just losing every match in D1 despite this start.
Yeah I can remember the physicality comments and I agree with them, even now. Didn't think we looked that small tonight though, thankfully. I can well see us doing a Westmeath though, I don't think we're good enough - our only realistic chance of a win will be next week against Monaghan or against yourselves. I can't see it coming next week so we'll just have to see what we're like a few weeks time.
The wee lad got his transfer result today, so for a treat, I took him to Newry to see Michael Murphy in action. The great man was outshone by McBrearty and the two McHughs were super. But Down, fcuk sake, just fcuk sake.
And the number of cards, four blacks and two reds, in a game played below first gear / pedestrian / semi-comatose pace. Whilst the be-gloved referee may have been technically correct, 'twas a damning indictment of those who introduced it into our game.
Down utterly awful but saw little from Donegal to say they'll do any better than they've done in the last few years, better than many but short of the best.
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2016, 10:14:25 PM
Down utterly awful but saw little from Donegal to say they'll do any better than they've done in the last few years, better than many but short of the best.
I'd agree, Donegal back in the pack now. Last four would be a very good achievement, but I think another last 8 defeat will be their lot. I think Tyrone are ahead of them in Ulster and would take them in Croker in August.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 30, 2016, 10:07:30 PM
The wee lad got his transfer result today, so for a treat, I took him to Newry to see Michael Murphy in action. The great man was outshone by McBrearty and the two McHughs were super. But Down, fcuk sake, just fcuk sake.
And the number of cards, four blacks and two reds, in a game played below first gear / pedestrian / semi-comatose pace. Whilst the be-gloved referee may have been technically correct, 'twas a damning indictment of those who introduced it into our game.
I thought there Exeter was excellent. It is not his fault that players can't bide by the rules. Every black card he gave was correct. If players stop pulling to the ground or tripping the. The game will become better.
the Referee*
Do you see what happens when I don't post as often as I use too!!
Go out and get full would you.
Hi, isnt it ironic that my English lesson starter on Wednesday was on the difference between 'to' and 'too'
Judging by the standard of division 2 last year it is no surprise Down got thumped, themselves and Roscommon will be way out of their depth in division 1 and the only chance either team has of winning a game is when they play each other, the hype that is surrounding Roscommon after the appointment of McStay is ridiculous, they are the most over hyped team in the country due to no small part by the majority of their supporters thinking the team is something it isn't , this forum alone is a perfect example of this. Monaghan to teach them the first of many lessons tomorrow.
Quote from: Mclf on January 30, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Judging by the standard of division 2 last year it is no surprise Down got thumped, themselves and Roscommon will be way out of their depth in division 1 and the only chance either team has of winning a game is when they play each other, the hype that is surrounding Roscommon after the appointment of McStay is ridiculous, they are the most over hyped team in the country due to no small part by the majority of their supporters thinking the team is something it isn't , this forum alone is a perfect example of this. Monaghan to teach them the first of many lessons tomorrow.
Where's your bus???
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Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on January 30, 2016, 10:07:30 PM
The wee lad got his transfer result today, so for a treat, I took him to Newry to see Michael Murphy in action. The great man was outshone by McBrearty and the two McHughs were super. But Down, fcuk sake, just fcuk sake.
And the number of cards, four blacks and two reds, in a game played below first gear / pedestrian / semi-comatose pace. Whilst the be-gloved referee may have been technically correct, 'twas a damning indictment of those who introduced it into our game.
I thought there Exeter was excellent. It is not his fault that players can't bide by the rules. Every black card he gave was correct. If players stop pulling to the ground or tripping the. The game will become better.
My problem wasn't with there Exeter; as I said he was technically correct with each call. My issue is with those who felt the introduction of the black card would cut out cynicism in Gaelic football. A well meaning, but utterly naive and very restrictive initiative.
In addition, some of the calls weren't made by there Exeter, he had plenty of help from Messers Cassidy and Hughes on the line.
Quote from: Mclf on January 30, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Judging by the standard of division 2 last year it is no surprise Down got thumped, themselves and Roscommon will be way out of their depth in division 1 and the only chance either team has of winning a game is when they play each other, the hype that is surrounding Roscommon after the appointment of McStay is ridiculous, they are the most over hyped team in the country due to no small part by the majority of their supporters thinking the team is something it isn't , this forum alone is a perfect example of this. Monaghan to teach them the first of many lessons tomorrow.
Maybe the fans are getting carried away, but Mc Stay certainly isn't. Heard him being interviewed on the radio this evening. He knows exactly how difficult div 1 is going to be. He mentioned how most of the opposition have contested a AI final in the last few years and Monaghan have bagged 2 ACs in the last few years, how everything would have to fall into place on any given match for them to really compete. I'd judge Roscommons short term journey on Mc Stay than some excitable (no harm in getting excited!) supporters.
There Exeter
Exeter a, Exeter a....
Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2016, 10:14:25 PM
Down utterly awful but saw little from Donegal to say they'll do any better than they've done in the last few years, better than many but short of the best.
What more do you want Donegal to do on their first league outing of the year??
Way too early to be making statements like that!
I don't think we are getting over excited. Most believe we will struggle but hold out hope we at least don't get hammered and might sneek a couple of wins. I do agree we are over hyped but I think that's mostly outside commentators and is based on 2/3 good u21 teams.
Nobody ( not even Syfín) getting carried away in Ros. Don't know who's supposed to be doing all the hyping.
I suspect Kilmovee wumtroll has been reincarnated.....
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2016, 08:34:47 PM
Thats some trimming Down got, Down 0.07 Donegal 3.15, Donegal still the best bet for Ulster this year, Down going in reverse.
We'll see lads. Its a long way between now and April, never mind July!
Down could be well behind Donegal in preparation and fitness.
Good win for us all the same, especially with a few of the recent minors/U21s introduced to senior football.
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Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2016, 10:14:25 PM
Down utterly awful but saw little from Donegal to say they'll do any better than they've done in the last few years, better than many but short of the best.
What more do you want Donegal to do on their first league outing of the year??
Way too early to be making statements like that!
Not really. It obviously isn't just based on today, Donegal haven't been really competitive (at the top table) for a few years and they've changed nothing. Dropping everyone behind the ball on a heavy pitch against (probably) the weakest team in division 1 and winning well shows us nothing new. Dublin will destroy them in Croke Park. Everyone knows how too play Donegal now and they'll get beaten 9 times out of 10 by the better teams from here on in.
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Quote from: Zulu on January 30, 2016, 10:14:25 PM
Down utterly awful but saw little from Donegal to say they'll do any better than they've done in the last few years, better than many but short of the best.
What more do you want Donegal to do on their first league outing of the year??
Way too early to be making statements like that!
Not really. It obviously isn't just based on today, Donegal haven't been really competitive (at the top table) for a few years and they've changed nothing. Dropping everyone behind the ball on a heavy pitch against (probably) the weakest team in division 1 and winning well shows us nothing new. Dublin will destroy them in Croke Park. Everyone knows how too play Donegal now and they'll get beaten 9 times out of 10 by the better teams from here on in.
Did Dublin lose the memo in 2014 then?
Good one Syfín.
The big day has arrived, all systems go and see where it takes us.
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Good one Syfín.
The big day has arrived, all systems go and see where it takes us.
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I'd say goodluck but I'd be only telling lies , gwan de farney .
Arriving in the langers republic in the next 20 mins. Hard to know what to expect , would love to see a big performance from Evan Regan and everyone of the get through the game injury free .
Hon Mayo . 2016 , Sixinarow boy , no fookin bother to ye.
Donegal 1-3 Cork 0-0 after 15 minutes.
Cork, as usual, not showing up for their trip to Donegal for a league game.
Early yet, of course.
Spoke too soon?... mix up in defence...
Donegal 1-4 Cork 1-1
Donegal 1-6 Cork 1-3... 28 minutes. Tight game now.
Donegal 1-9 Cork 1-3 HT
Good response from Donegal after Cork scored 1-3 in five minutes to close the gap to a point.
Half time Monaghan 0-9 Down 0-6
Down were 0-5 to 0-2 up after 15 minutes but then Monaghan scored 6 points without reply. McManus almost scored another goal from a poor kickout but this time it went over the bar.
Donegal 1-13 Cork 1-3
15 minutes into second half
Cork get first score for 39 minutes
Donegal 2-13 Cork 1-4
Donegal 2-14 Cork 1-7 FT
Predictable as the wind and rain in Ballyshannon in February! Cork just never seem too bothered when they come up.
Four points out of four. Three more should do her in terms of staying up. A lot of wides, posts, crossbars and missed chances the only negative.
Should be a bonus point for scoring 20pts or more.some league games be grt games played in shit weather
Donegal absolutely flying. February I know, but very impressive nonetheless.
Said that after the down game, still the team to beat in Ulster
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Donegal absolutely flying. February I know, but very impressive nonetheless.
Three week break coming at the wrong time for Donegal and a Mayo with starters to return could beat Donegal in round 3.
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Donegal absolutely flying. February I know, but very impressive nonetheless.
Three week break coming at the wrong time for Donegal and a Mayo with starters to return could beat Donegal in round 3.
You would think so, especially with Mayo desperate for points and Donegal not. Although Donegal do not lose many home fixtures.
I think Rory Gallagher was talking today about some first choice players coming back later in the league too, although I think he would be better continuing with the young lads, especially as we are not playing in the championship until June. Lacey, Gallagher, McFadden, Toye and the like are going to be quitting sooner rather than later and one would expect/hope Eoin McHugh and so on to be pushing for a starting spot come June. The likes of McLoone, Mark McHugh and McElhinney are a different matter.
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Donegal absolutely flying. February I know, but very impressive nonetheless.
Three week break coming at the wrong time for Donegal and a Mayo with starters to return could beat Donegal in round 3.
Not optimistic myself. Who do we have returning? Keegan, McLoughlin. Anybody else? Donegal cruising now and we re fairly spluttering.
Too close for comfort in the end, but good to get the points. Again, Monaghan seemed fairly limited against a poor enough Down team. 9 different scorers though, is a decent place to be. McManus only had one from play and one free, so good that we can do it when he's not scoring. Thought McAnespie put in a lot of work and Daniel McKenna looked decent when he came on. Still badly in need of a midfield and that will be even more obvious against better opposition. In the absence of that fielding power in the middle, Beggan did very well to pick out men with shorter kick-outs. A few shocking wides in the final quarter nearly cost us, but as it is, 4 points from 2 games and closer to securing D1 status.
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Donegal absolutely flying. February I know, but very impressive nonetheless.
Three week break coming at the wrong time for Donegal and a Mayo with starters to return could beat Donegal in round 3.
Not optimistic myself. Who do we have returning? Keegan, McLoughlin. Anybody else? Donegal cruising now and we re fairly spluttering.
Listening to Midwest after the game Casey said that Moffat told him we would be dealing with a full deck for Donegal , didn't really understand it as we all know Cillian is out for league campaign , I just assume he meant all besides .
Would relegation be a disaster ? Be a disaster for us poor souls in the stands that will have to listen to the hyenas in Roscommon when they send us down . Loud enough when they were shite , what are they going to be like now they are starting to get good.
Wouldn't make any sense for Mayo a top four side who have reached the last four or All Ireland finals the last five years to get relegated from division one.
Sense doesn't come into it. You either put the points on the board, or you don't. If you don't, you get relegated. End of.
Donegal have a pretty good record of making it to AI finals & semi finals too, but that didn't stop them from getting relegated recently either.
Quote from: Beffs on February 08, 2016, 02:10:53 AM
Sense doesn't come into it. You either put the points on the board, or you don't. If you don't, you get relegated. End of.
Donegal have a pretty good record of making it to AI finals & semi finals too, but that didn't stop them from getting relegated recently either.
Mayo will get six points imo, whether that's enough to stay up or not who knows but it usually is , Kerry in Castlebar and Down also in Castlebar very winnable games , and one victory from Donegal/Monaghan or Roscommon games .
The Dubs very poor tonight took Cork for granted after last week?
The Dubs are going to be cowering in fear of heading to the Hyde after this.
Cork so predictable.Dublin to win this easy
Far from easily. Cork made some improvement in the space of a week.
Great run and finish by James McCarthy, tour de force from him in second half. Philly McMahon getting free for pulling Ian Maguire's tackling arm and forcing him to fall onto him, in fairness very hard to spot but he stays down eating up into the 4 minutes added time...referee adds 1 minute.
Cork look brittle enough still.
Dublin were useless in first half ,not motivated at all . Stepped it up in second half and deserved the win in the end . At full tilt in the summer they will be unstoppable .only Roscommon or thyrone in with a shout of giving them a game .
Cork are just ridiculously inconsistent , same in championship last year after two good performances v Kerry, should of won first one and then Kildare ! I mean what is the story at all ?
Good result for our lot , still in with a fighting chance of survival.
How many points from play did Dublin score? Their certainly not as naive as Cork were tonight.
Jack McCaffrey confirmed tonight that he will go traveling for the year. James Horan seemed happy with that news.
Cooper had a mare for Dublin and the rest of the Dublin defence didn't exactly cover themselves in glory - I'd say Jim will be on to the New Zealand authorities claiming Rory O'Carroll is in ISIS or something.
Cork are going nowhere - they aren't at the races as a serious team. This new management don't look to have much more of a clue than the last lot - the fact that their kickouts are still utter rubbish even with a new keeper says a world.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 05, 2016, 08:51:03 PM
How many points from play did Dublin score? Their certainly not as naive as Cork were tonight.
2-6 from play and 8 frees. A real game of two halves that match was.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 05, 2016, 08:57:15 PM
Jack McCaffrey confirmed tonight that he will go traveling for the year. James Horan seemed happy with that news.
To be fair it was sennan Connell who was making out JH was happy about it, James was simply making the valid point teams would see it as a positive if they came up against Dublin in 16 championship . The Mayo angle is just bollix , we are gone in that sense for this year at least .
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 05, 2016, 08:57:15 PM
Jack McCaffrey confirmed tonight that he will go traveling for the year. James Horan seemed happy with that news.
To be fair it was sennan Connell who was making out JH was happy about it, James was simply making the valid point teams would see it as a positive if they came up against Dublin in 16 championship . The Mayo angle is just bollix , we are gone in that sense for this year at least .
Now say what you really think.
Dublin can cope without McCaffrey. Only if a team can get close enough to them in the later stages of the championship, his absence may become an issue. He is a special player and can pull a game winning move in a close game. Dublin wont have any close game until August - if at all.
They'll be ok without McCaffrey. He is a class player, no doubt about that, but I can not think of one game last year, that they could have lost, or came close to losing, but for him. His runs bombing forward, are brilliant to watch, but I wouldn't have given the FOTY gong to him. I would have given it to Brogan, or McMahon.
Quote from: Beffs on March 06, 2016, 12:06:52 AM
They'll be ok without McCaffrey. He is a class player, no doubt about that, but I can not think of one game last year, that they could have lost, or came close to losing, but for him. His runs bombing forward, are brilliant to watch, but I wouldn't have given the FOTY gong to him. I would have given it to Brogan, or McMahon.
Brogan was the deserving one. Came a bit out of left field giving it to McCaffrey honestly. McMahon really didn't do enough to be deserving of it.
Quote from: Beffs on March 06, 2016, 12:06:52 AM
They'll be ok without McCaffrey. He is a class player, no doubt about that, but I can not think of one game last year, that they could have lost, or came close to losing, but for him. His runs bombing forward, are brilliant to watch, but I wouldn't have given the FOTY gong to him. I would have given it to Brogan, or McMahon.
I'd agree with that he shouldn't of got poty, Philly McMahon was player who made the difference .
Quote from: Beffs on March 06, 2016, 12:06:52 AM
They'll be ok without McCaffrey. He is a class player, no doubt about that, but I can not think of one game last year, that they could have lost, or came close to losing, but for him. His runs bombing forward, are brilliant to watch, but I wouldn't have given the FOTY gong to him. I would have given it to Brogan, or McMahon.
Brogan for me too...are you not allowed to win it twice?
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
Brogan was the deserving one. Came a bit out of left field giving it to McCaffrey honestly. McMahon really didn't do enough to be deserving of it.
Yeah, he had a poor year overall. Aidan O'Shea and Colm Cooper held him to a mere 1-3, in the three most important games of the year. ::)
What player would of been missed most in Dublins only competitive games last , Philly McMahon without a shadow of a doubt , minimised AOS impact and took gooch for a walk up the park in the final.
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Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
Brogan was the deserving one. Came a bit out of left field giving it to McCaffrey honestly. McMahon really didn't do enough to be deserving of it.
Yeah, he had a poor year overall. Aidan O'Shea and Colm Cooper held him to a mere 1-3, in the three most important games of the year. ::)
He was one of a committee of three who marked AOS in both games. I find it incredible that McMahon still gets all the credit for shutting him down, even in the face of all the score-able frees he directly gave up against AOS in the first game.
Tactically both Kerry and Mayo had nightmares v Dublin in ff line and McMahon was good enough to be able to turn the tables and bomb on.
Think McCaffrey was worthy enough. Brogan is class but on the top of the food chain. He puts the icing on the cake. In Dublin it's the likes of McCaffrey and McCarty that puts teams on the ropes and as we saw tonight can deliver the knock-out blows as well on a regular basis. If Conor McManus was in Brogan's position on this Dublin team he would doing the icing on the cake and in contention poty too.
Quote from: larryin89 on March 06, 2016, 12:38:46 AM
What player would of been missed most in Dublins only competitive games last , Philly McMahon without a shadow of a doubt , minimised AOS impact and took gooch for a walk up the park in the final.
Cluxton, without a doubt imo. Not dissing his replacement tonight or anything because Cluxton is a hard act to follow. Kickouts were iffy and there was no authority under high ball in the square. Like any other great team - and this Dublin team are great - there is always a special few that are hard to replace. Even if there is great depth. Cluxton is one. Connolly is another obviously. Brogan as well. MacMenamon too for me. McCarty is class and is a serious leader now as well. They are losing 2 of the other alpha player though in Rory O Carroll and Jack McCaffrey - even if it's only for the short term.
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 01:00:57 AM
Quote from: Beffs on March 06, 2016, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
Brogan was the deserving one. Came a bit out of left field giving it to McCaffrey honestly. McMahon really didn't do enough to be deserving of it.
Yeah, he had a poor year overall. Aidan O'Shea and Colm Cooper held him to a mere 1-3, in the three most important games of the year. ::)
He was one of a committee of three who marked AOS in both games. I find it incredible that McMahon still gets all the credit for shutting him down, even in the face of all the score-able frees he directly gave up against AOS in the first game.
Another plus for him though Sy! From a coaching point of view a defender should always foul rather than concede a point or goal from play - which gives a forward confidence - or opportunity to put somebody in for a goal. For a defender to be able to be in a position to stop a forward, even by fouling, is a good result. It's the lazy, unnecessary fouls - like Cork did tonight - that are a no-no. Fouls should be necessary and deliberate. Poor defenders foul when there is no need for it. Good defenders foul when it's the best option. If you have to take a ticking or a card, so be it. Up to line then to switch, replace, etc.
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Quote from: Beffs on March 06, 2016, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
Brogan was the deserving one. Came a bit out of left field giving it to McCaffrey honestly. McMahon really didn't do enough to be deserving of it.
Yeah, he had a poor year overall. Aidan O'Shea and Colm Cooper held him to a mere 1-3, in the three most important games of the year. ::)
He was one of a committee of three who marked AOS in both games. I find it incredible that McMahon still gets all the credit for shutting him down, even in the face of all the score-able frees he directly gave up against AOS in the first game.
Another plus for him though Sy! From a coaching point of view a defender should always foul rather than concede a point or goal from play - which gives a forward confidence - or opportunity to put somebody in for a goal. For a defender to be able to be in a position to stop a forward, even by fouling, is a good result. It's the lazy, unnecessary fouls - like Cork did tonight - that are a no-no. Fouls should be necessary and deliberate. Poor defenders foul when there is no need for it. Good defenders foul when it's the best option. If you have to take a ticking or a card, so be it. Up to line then to switch, replace, etc.
Being forced to illegally mow down a man you have two men supporting you to stop him is not the mark of a PotY defender. I'm sorry but I see absolutely no case for McMahon even being a contender for PotY last year. Some fans think his afters was the reason he was overlooked - I think it was because his play wasn't good enough. He did well on Gooch in the final and scored a goal against Mayo when a stray cat could have opened them up - big deal.
Mayo should have been able to expose the way the in Dublin defense was drifting onto AOS any time Mayo got possession much more over both matches. If anything the attention they gave AOS was so excessive that it's amazing it worked out in their favour. A cuter team would have tore them apart with all the space they were giving up.
If Monaghan had beat Tyrone Conor McManus was going to walk away with the PotY barring a total loss of sanity by the voters IMHO. In fact even losing in the AIQF there's a case to be made he was deserving.
Considering Fermanagh and Armagh got fined last week - and Fermanagh lost their best player for today - I presume Donegal and Kerry will lose a few euro during the week for that carry on. Felt sorry for Kerry full forward. He deserved sent off but should not have been only one. The cuter one stayed on the field.
McGee got what he deserved there.
Kerry. The most cynical dirtiest team of all.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 06, 2016, 02:45:16 PM
Considering Fermanagh and Armagh got fined last week - and Fermanagh lost their best player for today - I presume Donegal and Kerry will lose a few euro during the week for that carry on. Felt sorry for Kerry full forward. He deserved sent off but should not have been only one. The cuter one stayed on the field.
Strange logic after most likely breaking an opponents nose with 2 blatant punches.
How do Kerry get labelled as purists of the game. Thugs and play actors the lot of them.
Donegal running to the ref with imaginary cards is shameful also.
Poor advertisement for our game.
Did you not see what preceded it? You're probably right he shouldn't have retaliated to someone trying to break his fingers.
The aptly named McLoone gets red carded for Donegal.
The ref is doing his best to control the game but he'll have read the riot act to both teams, if this stuff carries on.
Donegal have perfected the throw ball.
How do you referee a game when neither side want to play ball. Feel sorry for refs on days like this.
On the flip side-in Omagh last night there was two teams looking to play football and the ref was not fit for it.
Quote from: square_ball on March 06, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Did you not see what preceded it? You're probably right he shouldn't have retaliated to someone trying to break his fingers.
Course I seen it, any man that lands 2 blatant punches on a mans face 5 yards from the umpire to bust open an opponent gets no sympathy from me, irrespective of what preceded it. However since you claim that McGee tried to break a mans fingers, please tell us more......Kerry....upholders of all that is pure in the game!!!!
Donegal i thought started that crap, Kerry though will finish it, let me know when a football starts outside all the pulling and off the ball crap
Quote from: square_ball on March 06, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Did you not see what preceded it? You're probably right he shouldn't have retaliated to someone trying to break his fingers.
Grabbing his arm = trying to break his fingers?
Edit - on replay, he did bend his fingers back. Whether he was trying to dislodge the Kerry player's hand or not, I would have given McGee a slap myself. Out of order.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2016, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 06, 2016, 02:45:16 PM
Considering Fermanagh and Armagh got fined last week - and Fermanagh lost their best player for today - I presume Donegal and Kerry will lose a few euro during the week for that carry on. Felt sorry for Kerry full forward. He deserved sent off but should not have been only one. The cuter one stayed on the field.
Strange logic after most likely breaking an opponents nose with 2 blatant punches.
My point was why should he get sent off when others didn't for red card offences. You also missed the point where I said he deserved sent off.
Brutal match, even without all the handbags.
Looks an extremely strong wind, so Donegal SHOULD get back into it in the second half, but there's too much messing around with the short handpasses. Kerry breaking much faster and winning plenty of scoreable frees as a result.
Pretty conclusive in that footage just shown in my opinion.
Close up of what McGee down there at half time, no suprise he got buried, it was abit like Paddy Campbell hitting Muldoon in the balls years back and getting levelled for it
Definitely looked like McGee tried to damage his fingers. Not sure if it's coincidental but Gallagher tried to do the same to Sean cavanagh in ballybofey last year.
Pity someone wouldn't throw a few digs donaghys way.
Just saw the Kerry red card incident. Some really unsavoury behaviour by Donegal to provoke it.....hopefully gets nailed on review
And 14 obviously totally deserved his red card too despite that provocation.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2016, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: square_ball on March 06, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Did you not see what preceded it? You're probably right he shouldn't have retaliated to someone trying to break his fingers.
Course I seen it, any man that lands 2 blatant punches on a mans face 5 yards from the umpire to bust open an opponent gets no sympathy from me, irrespective of what preceded it. However since you claim that McGee tried to break a mans fingers, please tell us more......Kerry....upholders of all that is pure in the game!!!!
Well??? Did you see that footage?
Quote from: J70 on March 06, 2016, 03:13:06 PM
Quote from: square_ball on March 06, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Did you not see what preceded it? You're probably right he shouldn't have retaliated to someone trying to break his fingers.
Grabbing his arm = trying to break his fingers?
Yeah absolutely. Any defence for that carry on? Just because it's your county doesn't mean you just condone it.
Quote from: square_ball on March 06, 2016, 03:21:10 PM
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Quote from: square_ball on March 06, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Did you not see what preceded it? You're probably right he shouldn't have retaliated to someone trying to break his fingers.
Grabbing his arm = trying to break his fingers?
Yeah absolutely. Any defence for that carry on? Just because it's your county doesn't mean you just condone it.
No, I saw it again. Doubt if he was trying to break fingers (you'd grab one if that was your intent), but definitely out of order by McGee.
Am I the only one that finds it strange that McGee is getting the bulk of the flak on here, when the Kerry no.14 was the main culprit. Maybe it's because of McGees reputation but anyone asserting that he tried to break his fingers is simply looking for sensationalism and also trying to justify the Kerry mans 2 punches. McGee is no angel but let's not try and incriminate him when he was more sinned against than sinner.
Quote from: square_ball on March 06, 2016, 02:49:14 PM
McGee got what he deserved there.
Normally don't like these comments but in this case I agree, McGee at that bending back fingers craic for as long as I've seen him?
The TV replays showed exactly what he tried do, take the blinkers off
Hope the Sunday game crew and Brolly are studying this game....it's a masterclass in Dark Arts.......
Tried to 'break his fingers' adds a good bit of sensationalism to it. They were both wearing gloves and McGee clearly was trying to provoke but it doesn't suit the media agenda to portray Kerry as anything but purists. The Kerry crowd today are more animated than I've heard them for most championship games, they are totally hyped for this match.
What a free by Sheehan from the wrong side and into the wind!!!
Quote from: tyroneman on March 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Hope the Sunday game crew and Brolly are studying this game....it's a masterclass in Dark Arts.......
It really is, and the Kerry Media Mafia will make good and sure that the bulk of the blame lies with Donegal.
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 06, 2016, 03:47:07 PM
What a free by Sheehan from the wrong side and into the wind!!!
That was a fantastic score.
The two most cynical teams in football playing each other.
Media will refer to it as a 'manly' game no doubt.
Bloodbath in Killarney, doctors earning their corn today.
Sheehan was surely man of the match in a bad tempered affair.
Donnacha Walsh got M.O.m on t na g
Well deserved win for Kerry in the end in a tough match. Took their chances, Donegal didn't (3 against the post, and a couple of kickable frees not attempted, resulting in turnovers). But Donegal are pretty much in bonus territory now and won't worry too much about the result. Midfield and the kickouts is a big concern though and needs a lot of work if Durcan not coming back.
Sheehan still a master at the dead balls. Some kick into the wind.
Kerry much more fluid in attack than us and deserved their win. Plenty of needle throughout the game and a tough assignment for any ref. McGee deserved his box. I'm fed up with the indiscipline in the team. We are becoming a team who coughs up frees very easily; compare that to our general track record during the McGuinness years.
Quote from: StephenC on March 06, 2016, 04:23:03 PM
Kerry much more fluid in attack than us and deserved their win. Plenty of needle throughout the game and a tough assignment for any ref. McGee deserved his box. I'm fed up with the indiscipline in the team. We are becoming a team who coughs up frees very easily; compare that to our general track record during the McGuinness years.
Gallagher hardly helps matters on the sideline arguing with officials to excess.
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Quote from: StephenC on March 06, 2016, 04:23:03 PM
Kerry much more fluid in attack than us and deserved their win. Plenty of needle throughout the game and a tough assignment for any ref. McGee deserved his box. I'm fed up with the indiscipline in the team. We are becoming a team who coughs up frees very easily; compare that to our general track record during the McGuinness years.
Gallagher hardly helps matters on the sideline arguing with officials to excess.
To be honest I'm sick to my back teeth of Gallagher right now. I'm seeing too much of him in the team at the moment.
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Quote from: fearsiuil on March 06, 2016, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: StephenC on March 06, 2016, 04:23:03 PM
Kerry much more fluid in attack than us and deserved their win. Plenty of needle throughout the game and a tough assignment for any ref. McGee deserved his box. I'm fed up with the indiscipline in the team. We are becoming a team who coughs up frees very easily; compare that to our general track record during the McGuinness years.
Gallagher hardly helps matters on the sideline arguing with officials to excess.
To be honest I'm sick to my back teeth of Gallagher right now. I'm seeing too much of him in the team at the moment.
Donegal very good squad of players but ill discipline an issue, the cuteness of McGuinness time missing.
Thanks be to God I decided to visit my mother instead of travelling to Tralee to watch that rubbish. Both McGee & the Kerry forward got exactly what they deserved, McGee a couple of boxes & a red card for the Kerry lad.
As a committed Donegal supporter I have to say that I am getting sick, sore & tired of our approach to the game at the moment. I hate the whinging, mouthing & messing which is incessant & comes directly from the manager who has made it a trademark of his managerial life.
When we play football we are as good as anyone around but this constant bellyaching is going to cost us against a referee somewhere who will notp ut up with it & rightly so.
Quote from: StephenC on March 06, 2016, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: fearsiuil on March 06, 2016, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: StephenC on March 06, 2016, 04:23:03 PM
Kerry much more fluid in attack than us and deserved their win. Plenty of needle throughout the game and a tough assignment for any ref. McGee deserved his box. I'm fed up with the indiscipline in the team. We are becoming a team who coughs up frees very easily; compare that to our general track record during the McGuinness years.
Gallagher hardly helps matters on the sideline arguing with officials to excess.
By all accounts the team look to be beginning to reflect the manager's personaliity :-(
Always liked donegal so hope they don't descend too far this way.
To be honest I'm sick to my back teeth of Gallagher right now. I'm seeing too much of him in the team at the moment.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 06, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: StephenC on March 06, 2016, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: fearsiuil on March 06, 2016, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: StephenC on March 06, 2016, 04:23:03 PM
Kerry much more fluid in attack than us and deserved their win. Plenty of needle throughout the game and a tough assignment for any ref. McGee deserved his box. I'm fed up with the indiscipline in the team. We are becoming a team who coughs up frees very easily; compare that to our general track record during the McGuinness years.
Gallagher hardly helps matters on the sideline arguing with officials to excess.
By all accounts the team look to be beginning to reflect the manager's personaliity :-(
Always liked donegal so hope they don't descend too far this way.
To be honest I'm sick to my back teeth of Gallagher right now. I'm seeing too much of him in the team at the moment.
Aye. At the same time I don't want to make out that it's all to do with Rory alone; there's plenty of the Donegal lads (including McLoone) who are experienced enough to know how to be aggressive but stay in control. The top teams will have a field day with us if we don't get this under control, and quickly.
It is good to see so many Donegal men speak out about some of their indiscipline. Kerry would have to worry about some of the indiscipline of some experienced players. I only wish my county had that to worry about.
We'll see how welcoming Donegal are when we bring our young pups up next week..
Quote from: Throw ball on March 06, 2016, 05:59:32 PM
It is good to see so many Donegal men speak out about some of their indiscipline. Kerry would have to worry about some of the indiscipline of some experienced players. I only wish my county had that to worry about.
Imo, Donegal were deliberately nasty and provocative, Kerry certainly reacted with indiscipline. The ref did well.
If this is the new Donegal then what a waste of a good team, turned into boot boys.
It's refreshing to see Donegal supporters not defending their own players against some of the nonsense they engaged in today. However that shouldn't over shadow the story of who the real aggressors were today. I recall 3 separate Donegal men with bust up bloodied faces during the game today whilst there were numerous incidents involving O'Mahoney, Crowley and Donaghy amongst others. It seemed as though the Kerry crowd were baying for blood, and they literally got it. I hope some of these incidents are highlighted on Sunday Sport tonight as it was 2 I'll disciplined teams fighting out an ugly ill tempered match.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 06, 2016, 05:59:32 PM
It is good to see so many Donegal men speak out about some of their indiscipline. Kerry would have to worry about some of the indiscipline of some experienced players. I only wish my county had that to worry about.
This. Fair play lads.
McGee was bang out of order. Certainly wasn't trying to shake the Kerry full forwards hand. Deserved to get a smack for such a cheap cowardly act. Really are a horrible team to watch and play against with their bulls**t antics. Being going on for a while so it's obviously something encouraged by management
Now some of you lovely non-Ulster bies know what we've had to put up with from our delectable Donegal neighbours. Just saying like, bless 'em ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2016, 06:49:37 PM
Now some of you lovely non-Ulster bies know what we've had to put up with from our delectable Donegal neighbours. Just saying like, bless 'em ;)
In fairness if there was no Tyrone there would never have been a need for a Donegal, a response to the former if there ever was one.
Quote from: dublin7 on March 06, 2016, 06:40:42 PM
McGee was bang out of order. Certainly wasn't trying to shake the Kerry full forwards hand. Deserved to get a smack for such a cheap cowardly act. Really are a horrible team to watch and play against with their bulls**t antics. Being going on for a while so it's obviously something encouraged by management
Mcgee is constantly up to no good. Always was inevitable someone would lose the rag and smack him in the mouth. He's the current equivalent of ricey.
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2016, 06:49:37 PM
Now some of you lovely non-Ulster bies know what we've had to put up with from our delectable Donegal neighbours. Just saying like, bless 'em ;)
In fairness if there was no Tyrone there would never have been a need for a Donegal, a response to the former if there ever was one.
Your ignorance of the realities of Ulster football is touching, but that's as far as it goes ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2016, 07:08:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2016, 06:49:37 PM
Now some of you lovely non-Ulster bies know what we've had to put up with from our delectable Donegal neighbours. Just saying like, bless 'em ;)
In fairness if there was no Tyrone there would never have been a need for a Donegal, a response to the former if there ever was one.
Your ignorance of the realities of Ulster football is touching, but that's as far as it goes ;)
Few outside Tyrone would disasgree with the above.
Donaghy had no intention of playing football at the start. He was there to wind Murphy up. You could hear Murphy shouting 'play us fair and square' to him. Unfortunately at the same time McGee was giving yer man a peticure.
Kerry getting a lighter touch than Donegal here, they were equally as cynical over the pitch. I'd count donaghys neck throw as dangerous and dirty as mc gees action, both were sending off offences. You'd get the line in rugby for both and a hell of a lot quicker than in gaa. O Mahoney is another tr**p but he always has been. A terrible match, encapsulates all that is wrong with the game.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 06, 2016, 04:44:42 PM
Thanks be to God I decided to visit my mother instead of travelling to Tralee to watch that rubbish. Both McGee & the Kerry forward got exactly what they deserved, McGee a couple of boxes & a red card for the Kerry lad.
As a committed Donegal supporter I have to say that I am getting sick, sore & tired of our approach to the game at the moment. I hate the whinging, mouthing & messing which is incessant & comes directly from the manager who has made it a trademark of his managerial life.
When we play football we are as good as anyone around but this constant bellyaching is going to cost us against a referee somewhere who will notp ut up with it & rightly so.
Fair play not easy to come out against your own. I agree would not be too found of Gallagher at all. Shame as its a really talented football team.
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2016, 06:49:37 PM
Now some of you lovely non-Ulster bies know what we've had to put up with from our delectable Donegal neighbours. Just saying like, bless 'em ;)
In fairness if there was no Tyrone there would never have been a need for a Donegal, a response to the former if there ever was one.
::) 31 county spokesman. Sure if there was no Meath there would be no need for a modern Tyrone.....and on it goes
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2016, 06:49:37 PM
Now some of you lovely non-Ulster bies know what we've had to put up with from our delectable Donegal neighbours. Just saying like, bless 'em ;)
In fairness if there was no Tyrone there would never have been a need for a Donegal, a response to the former if there ever was one.
Your ignorance of the realities of Ulster football is touching, but that's as far as it goes ;)
Few outside Tyrone would disasgree with the above.
Mention Tyrone in a thread and the inquisition arrives on cue, fully loaded.
Quote from: tyroneman on March 06, 2016, 07:45:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 06, 2016, 06:49:37 PM
Now some of you lovely non-Ulster bies know what we've had to put up with from our delectable Donegal neighbours. Just saying like, bless 'em ;)
In fairness if there was no Tyrone there would never have been a need for a Donegal, a response to the former if there ever was one.
::) 31 county spokesman. Sure if there was no Meath there would be no need for a modern Tyrone.....and on it goes
Meath were manly though ;)
Dessie Dolan says the Kerry no 14 ''had no choice, he was only trying to free himself up''. Seriously wtf sort of analysis is that. Two punches to the snout from behind and he tries to defend him. Ridiculous analysis.
Don't mess with a man's fingers.
What if he was a concert pianist?
We all have jobs to go to in the morning.
Quote from: Mclf on January 30, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Judging by the standard of division 2 last year it is no surprise Down got thumped, themselves and Roscommon will be way out of their depth in division 1 and the only chance either team has of winning a game is when they play each other, the hype that is surrounding Roscommon after the appointment of McStay is ridiculous, they are the most over hyped team in the country due to no small part by the majority of their supporters thinking the team is something it isn't , this forum alone is a perfect example of this. Monaghan to teach them the first of many lessons tomorrow.
Well Well Well, Mcif, would you like to rethink your predictions. How about a piece of humble pie followed by a dose of reality to clear out the system. ;D
Kerry will be well pleased at the outcome and their performance, more so in the 2nd half. Donaghy was very good, Walsh and Sheehan were excellent.
Donegal set out to brawl from the start and provoke. Kavanagh typified that, with the in your face verbals in midfield, gets a good shove and runs off whining to the ref.
It shows the level of hypocrisy when you compare the slaughtering that Tiernan McCann got last year for the barbaric act of diving compared with the ludicrous defence by Dolan of the 2 punches that could have seriously injured an opponent. Double standards.
So the best the Sunday Game can call this was 'silly'. Words fail me.
Here come the Tyrone lads.
It's not always about YOU, you know?
Although you did invent this type of stuff.
Irish Tyrone people are beyond therapy.
Only seen the highlights today but it would seem that donaghy throwing Murphy to the ground kick started the whole thing? Understand the ref has a difficult job but surely he should have been issuing a black card there. The ref in the mayo game wasn't afraid to black card a big name
Quote from: tyroneman on March 06, 2016, 08:40:02 PM
So the best the Sunday Game can call this was 'silly'. Words fail me.
Dessie is a 'silly' analyst after all. Nice fella, great player but when it comes to analysis he's a bit lightweight.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 06, 2016, 08:59:10 PM
Only seen the highlights today but it would seem that donaghy throwing Murphy to the ground kick started the whole thing? Understand the ref has a difficult job but surely he should have been issuing a black card there. The ref in the mayo game wasn't afraid to black card a big name
When you have two teams with so many out and out mouthpieces this sort of thing is inevitable.
It's a wonder Rory Kavanagh didn't have to go off with a grade 3 jaw strain near the end.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 06, 2016, 08:39:12 PM
It shows the level of hypocrisy when you compare the slaughtering that Tiernan McCann got last year for the barbaric act of diving compared with the ludicrous defence by Dolan of the 2 punches that could have seriously injured an opponent. Double standards.
Well you lads all jumped to McCanns defence at the time and went with your customary whataboutery whereas the Donegal lads have all come on here and agreed straight away that it was a lousy act and they're sick of it... Double standards indeed!
Aren't Kerry, Donegal, Monaghan, Mayowestros, Cork, Dublin lucky that RugbyTelefìsÉireann recognise ye exist. :o
RugbyTÉ doesn't know about us at all.
Can't believe there's so much surprise at how the game developed today. Thought the second half would get a lot worse myself. To be perfectly honest McLoone's red card was harsh. If anybody deserved to go for it, it was McBrearty who pulled someone down by the neck in the first instance.
Kerry lads are certainly no angels (details below), but Donegal's ill-discipline was a feature for me. Donegal posters themselves have highlighted it, but when your manager is running up and down the sideline whining non-stop at the linesman, referee and everyone else, it doesn't bode well for the squad. As someone said, they are noticeably less subtle in contact area than the McGuinness days. I lost count of the amount of stupid drags and pulls all over the field. Rory Kavanagh went up for a ball at one stage with a Kerry player he should be winning ball all day over, but instead went to play the man and gave away a free. The same man got shoved in the chest by Bryan Sheehan and spent 30 seconds lying down holding his face, before the ref told him to get up.
Maybe they wanted to lay down a marker, which could be the case. Have no real problem with most of it if that's the way. I remember the 2012 league game in Killarney when Kerry won handy enough but McGuinness learned a lot more about Kerry that day than vice versa. The late Paddy Curtin got a cracking goal for Kerry that day actually now that I recall it. :-[
What Neil McGee did deserves all the abuse it gets. Filthy act. I'd have done the exact same thing as Alan Fitz did. From umpires view of it of course, he had to get red then.
Kerry like I said,are not whiter than white. Denis Daly deserve his black card, which was a ridiculous drag down . Enright's was harsh enough I thought. More or less ran over by Murphy and just grabbed his leg a bit on the way down. 7 or 8 worse tackles than it throughout the game. Mahony and Donaghy have no problem getting involved in schemozzles or whatever you call it. Acting the bollox is my preferred term. Someone mentioned Donaghy's pulling Murphy down, which I'm not sure looking back on it, was it around the neck or not, but if it was I'd have no problem seeing him sent off for it. Very dangerous act. Murphy of course was delaying a Kerry free at the time and (for a great player who I love watching) acts the bollox as much as anyone.
Happy enough to get the win anyway and thought there was some decent football played by both sides aswell despite the usual shit analysis from RTE. Must be cutbacks when they're left with poor ol' Dessie Dolan on his own for analysis!
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It shows the level of hypocrisy when you compare the slaughtering that Tiernan McCann got last year for the barbaric act of diving compared with the ludicrous defence by Dolan of the 2 punches that could have seriously injured an opponent. Double standards.
Well you lads all jumped to McCanns defence at the time and went with your customary whataboutery whereas the Donegal lads have all come on here and agreed straight away that it was a lousy act and they're sick of it... Double standards indeed!
McCann was roundly condemned by the Tyrone fans on here for his actions, what he was defended on was the disparity in coverage of similar incidents, one of which happened in that game with Rory Beggan.
And I would say the same about McGee, he got a box after antagonising the Kerry lad but the hysteria is in full drive here. Does anyone actually believe he tried to break his fingers? When lads tread on someone's toes to get a reaction, are they trying to break his toes? When the playful cusp of the genitals happens, are they trying to castrate their opponent? When the sneaky dig in the ribs happens off the ball, are they trying to break their ribcage?
McGee was wrong but the hysteria and overreaction is ridiculous.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 06, 2016, 08:59:10 PM
Only seen the highlights today but it would seem that donaghy throwing Murphy to the ground kick started the whole thing? Understand the ref has a difficult job but surely he should have been issuing a black card there. The ref in the mayo game wasn't afraid to black card a big name
In fairness referees are never afraid to discipline Mayo players.
Hopefully next week we get a ref. who is not in awe of the Kerry mafia and stands up to nasties like Donaghy and O Mahony as well as serial fowler and agitator Donnacha Walsh ;)
Didn't watch the full match but from what I've seen McGee got what he deserved; O'Mahony was doing his best to provoke anyone who came near him at every opportunity and Kavanagh wasn't far behind him. Did Donaghy get a yellow card for kicking the whole thing off?
I remember saying after Mayo V Donegal that I thought Mayo were bullied in last quarter and it wouldn t go unnoticed. Kerry in fairness met fire with fire and Donegal discovered that away from home the shoe is quickly on the other foot, and its the other crowd baying for blood. Kerry were clearly expecting a war and likes of Donaghy and O Mahony were in full battle mode fairly fast.
Hope our young lads won`t get roughed up in Donegal next Sunday.
It will be our fifth league game, of which only one will have been played on Roscommon soil.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 06, 2016, 09:20:14 PM
Aren't Kerry, Donegal, Monaghan, Mayowestros, Cork, Dublin lucky that RugbyTelefìsÉireann recognise ye exist. :o
RugbyTÉ doesn't know about us at all.
Well, if your county ground wasn't such an unmitigated shit hole, with no floodlights, then perhaps it would be a different story. If it was in decent nick and could host games under the lights, you would have been on the telly long before now.
The conditions were awful - it was windy with a bit of rain which made the game difficult to ref.
Quote from: Beffs on March 06, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 06, 2016, 09:20:14 PM
Aren't Kerry, Donegal, Monaghan, Mayowestros, Cork, Dublin lucky that RugbyTelefìsÉireann recognise ye exist. :o
RugbyTÉ doesn't know about us at all.
Well, if your county ground wasn't such an unmitigated shit hole, with no floodlights, then perhaps it would be a different story. If it was in decent nick and could host games under the lights, you would have been on the telly long before now.
Sorry let us line up the multi-national insurance company sponsors to help pay for that. Oh wait.
GAA HQ and the Connacht Council have as much blame in the state the Hyde is in as our CB does.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 06, 2016, 09:23:03 PM
Can't believe there's so much surprise at how the game developed today. Thought the second half would get a lot worse myself. ....
I was surprised how the game developed from the throw in, believe it or not.
According to the rte report, the ref read the riot act to both team managers at half time. I have to say, the ref did well considering.
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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 06, 2016, 09:23:03 PM
Can't believe there's so much surprise at how the game developed today. Thought the second half would get a lot worse myself. ....
I was surprised how the game developed from the throw in, believe it or not.
According to the rte report, the ref read the riot act to both team managers at half time. I have to say, the ref did well considering.
Really? Did you not notice how het up Donegal were last week? People put it down to putting down a marker after recent Mayo/Donegal history. Kerry were clearly forewarned what to expect and were not going to be bullied at home.
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Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 06, 2016, 09:23:03 PM
Can't believe there's so much surprise at how the game developed today. Thought the second half would get a lot worse myself. ....
I was surprised how the game developed from the throw in, believe it or not.
According to the rte report, the ref read the riot act to both team managers at half time. I have to say, the ref did well considering.
Really? Did you not notice how het up Donegal were last week? People put it down to putting down a marker after recent Mayo/Donegal history. Kerry were clearly forewarned what to expect and were not going to be bullied at home.
It was the first time i saw donegal in a full game, since last year.
Quote from: moysider on March 06, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 06, 2016, 08:40:02 PM
So the best the Sunday Game can call this was 'silly'. Words fail me.
Dessie is a 'silly' analyst after all. Nice fella, great player but when it comes to analysis he's a bit lightweight.
it was ML that came out with that particular whitewash
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2016, 10:19:04 PM
Sorry let us line up the multi-national insurance company sponsors to help pay for that. Oh wait.
GAA HQ and the Connacht Council have as much blame in the state the Hyde is in as our CB does.
Who is to blame is irrelevant. You don't have a county ground fit for purpose, or capable of hosting night games under the lights. The tv networks will continue to go else where until you do, and/or you become a ratings draw. As of now, you do not meet either criteria.
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Quote from: moysider on March 06, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 06, 2016, 08:40:02 PM
So the best the Sunday Game can call this was 'silly'. Words fail me.
Dessie is a 'silly' analyst after all. Nice fella, great player but when it comes to analysis he's a bit lightweight.
it was ML that came out with that particular whitewash
It was Dessie that said that Fitzgerald had no choice to do what he did to free himself though. What he didn t do was explain what McGee did to provoke that response. So the analysis of that incident made him look very silly indeed. Lightweight stuff. McGee gets no scrutiny for messing with a lads hand and a lad that busts his nose is excused because he had no choice!! Crazy stuff.
Rory Kavanagh was definitely involved in a lot of handbag shite, and even Christy Toye, of all people, was constantly grappling people after he came on, presumably to slow them down. Kerry were every bit as bad, but from our perspective, it's getting to be too much. Fair enough, stand your ground and don't be bullied, but there has to be a limit.
Poor Ryan McHugh takes massive abuse each game ( does he ever NOT get done with a high tackle?), but just gets on with it.
Quote from: J70 on March 07, 2016, 12:56:54 AM
Rory Kavanagh was definitely involved in a lot of handbag shite, and even Christy Toye, of all people, was constantly grappling people after he came on, presumably to slow them down. Kerry were every bit as bad, but from our perspective, it's getting to be too much. Fair enough, stand your ground and don't be bullied, but there has to be a limit.
Poor Ryan McHugh takes massive abuse each game ( does he ever NOT get done with a high tackle?), but just gets on with it.
It's a pity he's surrounded by so many players who seem to revel in being villains. By all accounts a good lad on and off the field.
Looks like it's Rory's team now, for better or worse! An awful lot was made of little after the Mayo match, but I wasn't pleased with the attitude and discipline today. Aside from holding the team to a moral standard that I probably don't always meet myself - that sort of approach isn't going to help you win any matches!
About the specific incidents, Donaghy's was an awful way to start the game, and just an awful challenge, while both lads should have been off for the first red. Neither the provocation nor reaction was ok. The black cards were fine - harmless challenges really but black cards by rule. Shame for both players. I was annoyed with the amount of whinging that our lads did to the ref, especially Hugh McFadden, who could really stand to cut that out of his game. There was a million things going on, but to be honest, I'd rather not get caught reflecting too long on what the opposition did or didn't do, I just hope that Rory enforces a new attitude and approach, starting in the Roscommon match because that wasn't nice to watch and that attitude won't stand to you.
Now that that's out of the way, it was something of a spoiled game, but both teams can take plenty from it. Thought Donnachadh Walsh, Fionn Fitzgerald and Ryan McHugh were very good. Perhaps Kerry finished with a stronger team than they started with, although Colm Cooper was way, way off the pace and struggled to get and stay in position to deal with runners. Might be time for a tweaked role for him, as I'm sure that he still has plenty to offer.
Kerry should be quite happy, with the points and more importantly with the stress placed on the new players and a chance to see them in a very hard game. Donegal learned a tough lesson at the goal, and (although they weren't as bad as last week) at kick outs.
Oh, I neglected to mention Leo's red. I love the fella, but a swing's a swing, and off you go I'm afraid. The lack of control and indiscipline in the approach to the ref and pushing matches with opponents spills over into the indisciplined tackling, I'm sure of it.
On a lighter note, delighted with the progress of the ladies team so far this year. They need to be in Div. 1 really and it looks like they might be next year.
Edited to add: It was a shame for the Kerry hurlers that their big day didn't go their way, and I hope they bounce back and give staying in 1B a real crack. I'm glad to see that the Donegal game next week is a double header with the hurlers too - hopefully they can give Down a match.
I don't think there's any chance of Donegal cleaning their act up at this late stage of the day. You'd just hope younger lads like Mac Niallais, Jigger Jr., McHugh and McFadden aren't influenced by the macho nonsense. But then of course they will be. They probably look to the guys doing it.
No offence to the Donegal posters but it's clear as day to me that Rory from Fermanagh and the vets on that panel will take one look at Roscommon and reckon the best way to beat us is to bully us into submission. The ref will have his work cut out for him. Should be one hell of a challenge for a light and very young team to go to Ballybofey and take on the most physical team I've ever seen in football. Exciting times.
Quote from: Syferus on March 07, 2016, 03:34:31 AM
No offence to the Donegal posters but it's clear as day to me that Rory from Fermanagh and the vets on that panel will take one look at Roscommon and reckon the best way to beat us is to bully us into submission.
No it's not. There may be cynicism in that Donegal team but there is also a lot of football in them. The cynicism you have seen has been against Mayo and Kerry who are probably their two biggest rivals for second spot and there is most likely some element of laying down a marker for the summer. No offense to Roscommon but Donegal hardly need to lay down a marker against them for the summer. They may be improving but they're unlikely to challenge Mayo, Kerry, Donegal or Dublin this summer...
No offence to the Donegal posters but it's clear as day to me that Rory from Fermanagh and the vets on that panel will take one look at Roscommon and reckon the best way to beat us is to bully us into submission
I don't think it will be an issue next Sunday tbh. The games against Down & Cork were fine & there was nothing out of the way during the Mayo game either.
For some reason yesterday was a bad day at the office for everyone involved & hopefully the spotlight that will inevitably follow will ensure a good game.
The ironic thing is that messing doesn't suit this Donegal team who are playing some great football at the moment. Maybe that was Kerry's cunning plan all along.
You couldn't be up to them..................
I want to know what yellowcard thinks ! The man must be exhausted after yesterday.
McGee is a fierce warrior, but can and often does overstep the mark...he got a slap for it, and deservedly so. God knows he'll accept it and move on a lot quicker than some non Donegal people on here!
Both teams acted the wag yesterday, and the vast majority of 'neutrals' secretly enjoyed it ;)
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Quote from: Syferus on March 07, 2016, 03:34:31 AM
No offence to the Donegal posters but it's clear as day to me that Rory from Fermanagh and the vets on that panel will take one look at Roscommon and reckon the best way to beat us is to bully us into submission.
No it's not. There may be cynicism in that Donegal team but there is also a lot of football in them. The cynicism you have seen has been against Mayo and Kerry who are probably their two biggest rivals for second spot and there is most likely some element of laying down a marker for the summer. No offense to Roscommon but Donegal hardly need to lay down a marker against them for the summer. They may be improving but they're unlikely to challenge Mayo, Kerry, Donegal or Dublin this summer...
Donegal rarely just play football.
I think you're getting a bit carried away - the most physical team you've ever seen in football lol.
I suppose it depends on your age but Meath late 80s and early 90s made Donegal look like schollboys and Armagh were more physical in the early noughties. Good sensationalism though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 07, 2016, 11:57:19 AM
I think you're getting a bit carried away - the most physical team you've ever seen in football lol.
I suppose it depends on your age but Meath late 80s and early 90s made Donegal look like schollboys and Armagh were more physical in the early noughties. Good sensationalism though.
Well I'm not David Blaine so of course it depends on my age. And no, it's not sensationalism - this Donegal use physicality like a weapon. Even Tyrone at their worst is more about sledging and pulling and dragging. They don't try to intimidate team like Donegal do, partly because they can't.
Don't accept it if you don't want to but Donegal have a rap sheet as long as Neil Gallagher's arms at this stage. It was a key part of what Jimmy introduced to get them over the line. I'd question how much use it really has been.
Donegal are very aggressive this year for some reason.
It's like they've got too much testosterone.
Quote from: Syferus on March 07, 2016, 12:03:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 07, 2016, 11:57:19 AM
I think you're getting a bit carried away - the most physical team you've ever seen in football lol.
I suppose it depends on your age but Meath late 80s and early 90s made Donegal look like schollboys and Armagh were more physical in the early noughties. Good sensationalism though.
Well I'm not David Blaine so of course it depends on my age. And no, it's not sensationalism - this Donegal use physicality like a weapon. Even Tyrone at their worst is more about sledging and pulling and dragging. They don't try to intimidate team like Donegal do, partly because they can't.
Don't accept it if you don't want to but Donegal have a rap sheet as long as Neil Gallagher's arms at this stage. It was a key part of what Jimmy introduced to get them over the line. I'd question how much use it really has been.
You have missed your calling in tabloid journalism. It was made for you.
I accept there are 4 or 5 in their team who are not whiter than white and that they have been coached to play on the "edge". I don't accept they are the most physical team even in this era. You could apply the same to a few teams.
Yet again by the way Kerry get away with with not being the bad guys. Donaghy is as bad as most about. McGee is the worst defender at the minute but there were many before him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 07, 2016, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 07, 2016, 12:03:20 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 07, 2016, 11:57:19 AM
I think you're getting a bit carried away - the most physical team you've ever seen in football lol.
I suppose it depends on your age but Meath late 80s and early 90s made Donegal look like schollboys and Armagh were more physical in the early noughties. Good sensationalism though.
Well I'm not David Blaine so of course it depends on my age. And no, it's not sensationalism - this Donegal use physicality like a weapon. Even Tyrone at their worst is more about sledging and pulling and dragging. They don't try to intimidate team like Donegal do, partly because they can't.
Don't accept it if you don't want to but Donegal have a rap sheet as long as Neil Gallagher's arms at this stage. It was a key part of what Jimmy introduced to get them over the line. I'd question how much use it really has been.
You have missed your calling in tabloid journalism. It was made for you.
I accept there are 4 or 5 in their team who are not whiter than white and that they have been coached to play on the "edge". I don't accept they are the most physical team even in this era. You could apply the same to a few teams.
Yet again by the way Kerry get away with with not being the bad guys. Donaghy is as bad as most about. McGee is the worst defender at the minute but there were many before him.
Kerry are the third biggest chancer when it comes to illegal stuff. They have good PR but just because they do doesn't mean Donegal or Tyrone should be let off any easier by the public.
Truth is, all the top teams are cynical in their own way & if Roscommon want to dine at the grown ups table then they will be too.
It's simply a fact of life in the GAA nowadays.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 07, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
Truth is, all the top teams are cynical in their own way & if Roscommon want to dine at the grown ups table then they will be too.
It's simply a fact of life in the GAA nowadays.
We're well used to cynical play. But Donegal play so much on the edge they're usually a foot over the line. No team does it quite like Donegal. If anything it's getting worse under Jimmy's #2 as some of the worst offenders' legs are starting to go and they feel the need to get involved even more to unsettle their opposite numbers.
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 07, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
Truth is, all the top teams are cynical in their own way & if Roscommon want to dine at the grown ups table then they will be too.
It's simply a fact of life in the GAA nowadays.
"When you went to tackle an Antrim player he automatically passed it out to a waiting college and moved on for the return pass. The only counter to this was to take the man getting the return pass and put your arms around him and hold him as the ball came to him. If a man was caught in possession five times in a row you would expect that he would change his tactics. Antrim never did and when forced to kick the ball in from far out field our full back line usually won the duals in the air. We out smarted them that day".
So Paddy Kennedy admitted that Kerry did foul their opponent in a concerted plan to stop them and indeed even in today's game we see the tactics of swarming, dragging and holding and preventing a player form finding a team mate. Some things never change. Antrim failed that day because when Kerry thwarted their running short style of play they failed to adapt and the men on the line did not have an answer to Kerry's tactics,
http://www.terracetalk.com/articles/Memories/70/The-1946-All-Ireland-Final-and-the-Antrim-Objection
Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 07, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
Truth is, all the top teams are cynical in their own way & if Roscommon want to dine at the grown ups table then they will be too.
It's simply a fact of life in the GAA nowadays.
I've noticed this type of view becoming more prevalent and even lads bemoaning the fact their team aren't more cynical or lauding them for becoming so. The attitude of fans is as big a problem as the attitude of players, we are starting to enable this ridiculous behaviour. What McGee did yesterday was disgraceful and he didn't get hit half hard enough by Fitzgerald and in fairness to Donegal posters they are saying as much themselves. However, it's very worrying that people feel you HAVE to be, not cynical as that isn't just what it is, but dirty, sneaking, cowardly and embarrassing to the game. The odd game always turned into a bit of slugfest and there was always a bit of dirt but there was also a manliness about a lot of it in the past. Now we have sledging, diving, lads rutting each other with their chests, grabbing jerseys and getting everybody behind the ball turning the game into a session of keep ball interspersed by fouls and wrestling matches. It's only a matter of time before the crowd start seeing players hysterically shouting 'hold me back' and 'Sean, don't he's not worth it'.
It's long since time we started to wise up and condemn this rubbish for what it is. The game is becoming increasingly difficult to watch even though it's clear we have some of the best footballers ever to play the game out there.
The current teams of today would get ate alive by the Meath team of the late 80`s in the physical dept, Always maintained they werent dirty, just hard as f**k, u going to punch a Meath man make it count cause there no 2nd chances. Never has 1 team produced so many hard nuts!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 07, 2016, 05:47:21 PM
The current teams of today would get ate alive by the Meath team of the late 80`s in the physical dept, Always maintained they werent dirty, just hard as f**k, u going to punch a Meath man make it count cause there no 2nd chances. Never has 1 team produced so many hard nuts!!
Liam Harnon and Mick Lyons in the centre of defence, -enough said!
Quote from: Beffs on March 06, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 06, 2016, 09:20:14 PM
Aren't Kerry, Donegal, Monaghan, Mayowestros, Cork, Dublin lucky that RugbyTelefìsÉireann recognise ye exist. :o
RugbyTÉ doesn't know about us at all.
Well, if your county ground wasn't such an unmitigated shit hole, with no floodlights, then perhaps it would be a different story. If it was in decent nick and could host games under the lights, you would have been on the telly long before now.
Setanta are only interested in Dublin games plus Div 2 games from the North.
At least TG4 showed a few minutes tonight of the Ros/Down game.
Get yourselves some floodlights and you'll soon have Setanta knocking on your door. It's not their fault you don't have any.
Roscommon on tv tonight. Very theatrical performance for their penalty...
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 07, 2016, 10:00:09 PM
Roscommon on tv tonight. Very theatrical performance for their penalty...
Taken down in the square. As clear cut as you'll see. If you wanted theatrics you should have been watching Donegal-Kerry. It was like a He-Man convention it was that overblown.
Was he taken down by a bullet from somewhere - looked like it ;D (your comments show your blinkers as it did look very suspicious and was definitely very theatrical. It isn't often you see gaa players go down like that)
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 07, 2016, 10:00:09 PM
Roscommon on tv tonight. Very theatrical performance for their penalty...
In fairness it looked like poor goal keeping. Tripped the Roscommon player when the goal chance was gone.
Quote from: Beffs on March 07, 2016, 09:51:39 PM
Get yourselves some floodlights and you'll soon have Setanta knocking on your door. It's not their fault you don't have any.
Kiltoom that hosted the Monaghan game has floodlights. And it will host the Connacht U21 quarter final under lights on Friday night.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 07, 2016, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: Beffs on March 07, 2016, 09:51:39 PM
Get yourselves some floodlights and you'll soon have Setanta knocking on your door. It's not their fault you don't have any.
Kiltoom that hosted the Monaghan game has floodlights. And it will host the Connacht U21 quarter final under lights on Friday night.
There is a difference between the quality of floodlights needed to play a match and those needed for tv broadcast.
Quote from: oakleafgael on March 07, 2016, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 07, 2016, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: Beffs on March 07, 2016, 09:51:39 PM
Get yourselves some floodlights and you'll soon have Setanta knocking on your door. It's not their fault you don't have any.
Kiltoom that hosted the Monaghan game has floodlights. And it will host the Connacht U21 quarter final under lights on Friday night.
There is a difference between the quality of floodlights needed to play a match and those needed for tv broadcast.
The lux factor is not an issue at Kiltoom
(http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2015/03/niall.jpg)
I assume Donegal and Kerry will get at least a €5,000 fine for those scenes. And should either appeal and fail, a lose of one home game added in for good measures!
Just like ourselves in 2012 after a brawl ::)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcodTHu4Vi8 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcodTHu4Vi8)
the monetary fines are a complete balls, they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the fundraisers, the people keeping the whole thing afloat. Retrospective suspensions for anyone involved on the field if anyone needs punished
Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
the monetary fines are a complete balls, they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the fundraisers, the people keeping the whole thing afloat. Retrospective suspensions for anyone involved on the field if anyone needs punished
+1
Quote from: westbound on March 08, 2016, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
the monetary fines are a complete balls, they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the fundraisers, the people keeping the whole thing afloat. Retrospective suspensions for anyone involved on the field if anyone needs punished
+1
+2
And next home game at a neutral venue perhaps?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 08, 2016, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: westbound on March 08, 2016, 10:55:46 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
the monetary fines are a complete balls, they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the fundraisers, the people keeping the whole thing afloat. Retrospective suspensions for anyone involved on the field if anyone needs punished
+1
+2
And next home game at a neutral venue perhaps?
Roscommon must have been really dirty so!
Only our pitch!
Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
the monetary fines are a complete balls, they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the fundraisers, the people keeping the whole thing afloat. Retrospective suspensions for anyone involved on the field if anyone needs punished
The only way it will have an effect.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
the monetary fines are a complete balls, they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the fundraisers, the people keeping the whole thing afloat. Retrospective suspensions for anyone involved on the field if anyone needs punished
Bingo. Punish the wronger doer on the field of play. It is the only way to stamp out all this nonsense.
Anyway, these paltry fines of 5000 or 10,000 quid are nothing to a county board that is spending anywhere from a few hundred thousand, to over million a year on their county teams. It's a shed load of money to the likes of you and me, it's a drop in the ocean to them. Does sweet eff all to deter the hardmen types from all their stuff and nonsense.
Yeah, I have to agree with the above. The fines are an ineffective procedure really.
Anyway, the results are out, and as per DonegalSportHub:
"The two counties have each been hit with fines of €7,500 while Donegal full-back Neil McGee has been given a one-game ban."
Much like biting or eye-gouging incidents, from an administrative point of view it strikes me as strange that they feel comfortable enough with the evidence to place a ban, and yet place such a short one. If they'd come back with no ban (lack of evidence) or three games (we're confident that the incident took place) it'd make a bit more sense.
For the record, no other played deserved a citation, and credit to the committee for dealing with it quickly.
Credit also due to most on here for the level of discussion in this thread, a cut above what I'd find elsewhere. Now, on to the Rossies for me!
Quote from: Beffs on March 08, 2016, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
the monetary fines are a complete balls, they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the fundraisers, the people keeping the whole thing afloat. Retrospective suspensions for anyone involved on the field if anyone needs punished
Bingo. Punish the wronger doer on the field of play. It is the only way to stamp out all this nonsense.
Anyway, these paltry fines of 5000 or 10,000 quid are nothing to a county board that is spending anywhere from a few hundred thousand, to over million a year on their county teams. It's a shed load of money to the likes of you and me, it's a drop in the ocean to them. Does sweet eff all to deter the hardmen types from all their stuff and nonsense.
5k to 10k would make a big dent in our fiances.
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 12:03:34 AM
5k to 10k would make a big dent in our fiances.
No it wouldn't. What was it Roscommon spent last year, according to that report in the Indo? Over 700,000, or something like that? Five grand is less than 1% of your over all spend.
You'd consider 5000 euros grand well spent, if you were in locked in a relegation battle, some of your lads starts a melee, the star player(s) on the other side throws a few digs & gets sent off or black carded. You win the game and, go on to secure your spot in Div 1 for next year.
You'd make that 5 grand back several times over the following year, when the Dubs or Mayo or Kerry come to town. Easy peasy ! (That's presuming the Hyde is open. Which it probably won't be. ::) ) When I say you, I don't mean you personally btw. I mean you in the general sense.
These fines are quite paltry in the grand scheme of things. Unless they are a lot stiffer, players have to face longer bans, or a sin bin is brought in, inter county managers have little incentive to reign their players behavior in more. It's a vicious, repetitive cycle. Everyone blames every one else for starting it, but no one wants to step up to the plate, to end it.
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: Beffs on March 08, 2016, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 08, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
the monetary fines are a complete balls, they're punishing the wrong people. They're punishing the fundraisers, the people keeping the whole thing afloat. Retrospective suspensions for anyone involved on the field if anyone needs punished
Bingo. Punish the wronger doer on the field of play. It is the only way to stamp out all this nonsense.
Anyway, these paltry fines of 5000 or 10,000 quid are nothing to a county board that is spending anywhere from a few hundred thousand, to over million a year on their county teams. It's a shed load of money to the likes of you and me, it's a drop in the ocean to them. Does sweet eff all to deter the hardmen types from all their stuff and nonsense.
5k to 10k would make a big dent in our fiances.
Exactly. Club lads around here out selling county board tickets - a hard sell. Bord Na nÓgs doing pub quizzes to buy kit. Clubs selling tickets for 25 card games for a weanling calf. Most years I contribute to something like 9 club fundraisers (including a couple in a neighbouring county).
Oh hold on, maybe these fines are covered by the main sponsors ::)
It's a joke imo.
Quote from: Beffs on March 09, 2016, 12:20:32 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 12:03:34 AM
5k to 10k would make a big dent in our fiances.
No it wouldn't. What was it Roscommon spent last year, according to that report in the Indo? Over 700,000, or something like that? Five grand is less than 1% of your over all spend.
You'd consider 5000 euros grand well spent, if you were in locked in a relegation battle, some of your lads starts a melee, the star player(s) on the other side throws a few digs, gets sent off/black carded. You win the game and go on to secure your spot in Div 1 for next year.
You'd make that 5 grand back several times over the following year, when the Dubs or Mayo or Kerry come to town. Easy peasy ! (That's presuming the Hyde is open. Which it probably won't be. ::) ) When I say you, I don't mean you personally. I mean you in the general sense.
Yeah, but the money is still coming from grass roots. Gate attendances and squeeze that is put on clubs to cough up - by our county board anyway. I'd prefer to see game bans for the sort of shite we saw last couple of weekends. Including managers etc that get too gobby and het up on the line.
Yeah, I'm not denying that the money has to come from somewhere. Unless the Rossie bus has a money printing press in its boot, someone, somewhere on the ground, is coughing up the money
What I'm saying is that in the super cynical world of inter county management, once you get to the very top, the rewards for simply making it to the very next game, can be substantial.
In the summer, it's getting to prolong your summer, go further in the championship & hopefully share in the payouts of a couple of trips to Croke Park. And once you're talking about a share of the regular gate receipts, corporate box sales, premium level tickets and food and beverage sales at Croker, that is a massive amount of money.
In the league, its all about preserving your Division One status, so that you can secure playing against top ranked teams for another year, as well as ensuring a continuous stream of Div 1 gate receipts for the following year. Then there is all that macho man "laying down a marker" crap, in case you meet again in August or September.
That 5000 is an investment in your future, as horribly cynical as it sounds. Until the fines are made a lot steeper, or players have to face longer bans, it ain't gonna change any time soon.
5000 Euro of Club Rossie money probably takes dozens of man hours to raise everything considered. To throw it away on a retarded Macho Man competition when you should be playing football is not worth that in the least. The people putting the work in selling tickets and memberships deserve more than their hard work being thrown away by some pup in the heat of the moment.
Thankfully it's been quite some time since one our our county players has done something worthy of that sort of reprimand.
Quote from: Beffs on March 09, 2016, 12:52:02 AM
Yeah, I'm not denying that the money has to come from somewhere. Unless the Rossie bus has a money printing press in its boot, someone, somewhere on the ground, is coughing up the money
What I'm saying is that in the super cynical world of inter county management, once you get to the very top, the rewards for simply making it to the very next game, can be substantial.
In the summer, it's getting to prolong your summer, go further in the championship & hopefully share in the payouts of a couple of trips to Croke Park. And once you're talking about a share of the regular gate receipts, corporate box sales, premium level tickets and food and beverage sales at Croker, that is a massive amount of money.
In the league, its all about preserving your Division One status, so that you can secure playing against top ranked teams for another year, as well as ensuring a continuous stream of Div 1 gate receipts for the following year.
That 5000 is an investment in your future, as horribly cynical as it sounds. Until the fines are made a lot steeper, or players have to face longer bans, it ain't gonna change any time soon.
I know, I know. But even in counties getting to the big stage, clubs and schools are scratching around the same people all the time trying to keep their head above water as well as stumping up to the board. Where do those fines go I wonder? It's an amateur organisation after all - for most of us anyway ::) It's not like fining millionaire footballers, managers and clubs in the other code.
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 01:20:34 AM
5000 Euro of Club Rossie money probably takes dozens of man hours to raise everything considered. To throw it away on a retarded Macho Man competition when you should be playing football is not worth that in the least. The people putting the work in selling tickets and memberships deserve more than their hard work being thrown away by some pup in the heat of the moment.
Thankfully it's been quite some time since one our our county players has done something worthy of that sort of reprimand.
That could all change next weekend when yer' ladeens will have to stand up or be bitch slapped around the place. However I imagine Donegal have made their point and will have mellowed and take stock for a while.
Quote from: moysider on March 09, 2016, 01:28:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 01:20:34 AM
5000 Euro of Club Rossie money probably takes dozens of man hours to raise everything considered. To throw it away on a retarded Macho Man competition when you should be playing football is not worth that in the least. The people putting the work in selling tickets and memberships deserve more than their hard work being thrown away by some pup in the heat of the moment.
Thankfully it's been quite some time since one our our county players has done something worthy of that sort of reprimand.
That could all change next weekend when yer' ladeens will have to stand up or be bitch slapped around the place. However I imagine Donegal have made their point and will have mellowed and take stock for a while.
Lads like Cregg and Kilbride are well used to tools pulling and belting them and throwing verbals. They haven't disgraced the jersey yet and I'd be surprised if they did on Sunday. Donegal's tactics are one dimensional in that regard and as long as you go in with the right attitude and don't get intimidated by it you can beat it. Reacting in most cases is exactly what they want. McStay and FOD are the best men I can think of to do that without having to resort to the lowest form of flattery.
I think it's the mark of a special player that can rise about that stuff rather the lower himself to it. Hit hard but hit fair.
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 01:31:06 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 09, 2016, 01:28:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 01:20:34 AM
5000 Euro of Club Rossie money probably takes dozens of man hours to raise everything considered. To throw it away on a retarded Macho Man competition when you should be playing football is not worth that in the least. The people putting the work in selling tickets and memberships deserve more than their hard work being thrown away by some pup in the heat of the moment.
Thankfully it's been quite some time since one our our county players has done something worthy of that sort of reprimand.
That could all change next weekend when yer' ladeens will have to stand up or be bitch slapped around the place. However I imagine Donegal have made their point and will have mellowed and take stock for a while.
Lads like Cregg and Kilbride are well used to tools pulling and belting them and throwing verbals. They haven't disgraced the jersey yet and I'd be surprised if they did on Sunday. Donegal's tactics are one dimensional in that regard and as long as you go in with the right attitude they can beat it. McStsy and FOD are the best men I can think of to do that without having to resort to the lowest form of flattery.
No doubt. I was only stirring it there. Expect it will be a very good game. Donegal are a proper footballing test and they would be silly to continue with the recent confrontational form. It doesn t suit their better players either. If they were putting down markers, they have done that. They should save the testosterone for the Ulster championship.
Quote from: moysider on March 09, 2016, 01:42:26 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 01:31:06 AM
Quote from: moysider on March 09, 2016, 01:28:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 09, 2016, 01:20:34 AM
5000 Euro of Club Rossie money probably takes dozens of man hours to raise everything considered. To throw it away on a retarded Macho Man competition when you should be playing football is not worth that in the least. The people putting the work in selling tickets and memberships deserve more than their hard work being thrown away by some pup in the heat of the moment.
Thankfully it's been quite some time since one our our county players has done something worthy of that sort of reprimand.
That could all change next weekend when yer' ladeens will have to stand up or be bitch slapped around the place. However I imagine Donegal have made their point and will have mellowed and take stock for a while.
Lads like Cregg and Kilbride are well used to tools pulling and belting them and throwing verbals. They haven't disgraced the jersey yet and I'd be surprised if they did on Sunday. Donegal's tactics are one dimensional in that regard and as long as you go in with the right attitude they can beat it. McStsy and FOD are the best men I can think of to do that without having to resort to the lowest form of flattery.
No doubt. I was only stirring it there. Expect it will be a very good game. Donegal are a proper footballing test and they would be silly to continue with the recent confrontational form. It doesn t suit their better players either. If they were putting down markers, they have done that. They should save the testosterone for the Ulster championship.
I don't think this is the sort of thing you can turn on or off. You can try to control it but it will eventually leak through in any match. One stray swing and you're off to greet the mother in the stand.
Impressed by the Ballina men so far. Both seem to be excelling. McStay no surprise but McHale got an unfair rap at times in his own county and in places like Cavan and it would be nice to see him get some plaudits.
As the poem ir song used to go -
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Early
Hard to believe that the season is starting properly this weekend. Dublin going for 4 in a row this year and the bookies fancy them to win it. Latest odds with PP:
Dublin 5/4
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 9/2
Tyrone 9/2
Donegal 16/1
Monaghan 16/1
Roscommon 25/1
Cavan 25/1
Getting rid of the semis is a good idea but it could leave 2-3 midtable teams with nothing to play for on the last weekend.
I fancy Tyrone to beat dublin in the final and Cavan & Monaghan to go down.
I've a feeling the Dubs are going to send out their 2nd team this year for most of the league or at least for the earlier rounds. A lot of them have played a lot of football the last few years and playing in wet heavy pitches this time of year will not benefit them. It's an ideal time to bring on the new batch and leave the experienced lads time off until the summer.
I dont think Jim Gavin is going to take league for granted.He like Mickey loves winning games and sure didnt the thirds win the O Byrne cup on sunday.Tyrone could be in the top two with the 3 weakest counties at home.
Good to be back lads, did ye miss the Tyrone crew??
Monaghan to take points off Cavan and Roscommon at home, and possibly Tyrone in Omagh if they don't turn off the floodlights on purpose this time..
Still probably need to get a point or two elsewhere to be sure of survival.. ;)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 30, 2017, 03:59:36 PM
Monaghan to take points off Cavan and Roscommon at home, and possibly Tyrone in Omagh if they don't turn off the floodlights on purpose this time..
Still probably need to get a point or two elsewhere to be sure of survival.. ;)
Turning the lights of spurred yous on to victory did it not! We will have a new tactic in the bag this time, whistles in the crowd and laser pens
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2017, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2017, 12:16:43 PM
Good to be back lads, did ye miss the Tyrone crew??
No.
Sure we'll give you something to moan about, Sfy. Word on the street is Mickey has had a crack team trawling Facebook to get intimate details on your main menavigation these past few weeks. Something to break the ice.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on January 30, 2017, 03:59:36 PM
Monaghan to take points off Cavan and Roscommon at home, and possibly Tyrone in Omagh if they don't turn off the floodlights on purpose this time..
Still probably need to get a point or two elsewhere to be sure of survival.. ;)
Where are you playing us?
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2017, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2017, 12:16:43 PM
Good to be back lads, did ye miss the Tyrone crew??
No.
Sure we'll give you something to moan about, Sfy. Word on the street is Mickey has had a crack team trawling Facebook to get intimate details on your main menavigation these past few weeks. Something to break the ice.
Girlfriends, family and the bus are off-limits for sledging.
Let them sledge away - sure no one can understand the hoors anyway.
Was just looking at the lineups for the different leagues, they're all going to be pretty competitive which is more than you can say for the provincials. Pity this competition isn't a bigger deal.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 30, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2017, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2017, 12:16:43 PM
Good to be back lads, did ye miss the Tyrone crew??
No.
Sure we'll give you something to moan about, Sfy. Word on the street is Mickey has had a crack team trawling Facebook to get intimate details on your main menavigation these past few weeks. Something to break the ice.
Girlfriends, family and the bus are off-limits for sledging.
Ah feck, sure wasn't big Colly Cavanagh going to whisper sweet nothings into Donie Shine's ear about inserting large vegetables up the exhaust.
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2017, 08:16:02 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 30, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2017, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 30, 2017, 12:16:43 PM
Good to be back lads, did ye miss the Tyrone crew??
No.
Sure we'll give you something to moan about, Sfy. Word on the street is Mickey has had a crack team trawling Facebook to get intimate details on your main menavigation these past few weeks. Something to break the ice.
Girlfriends, family and the bus are off-limits for sledging.
Ah feck, sure wasn't big Colly Cavanagh going to whisper sweet nothings into Donie Shine's ear about inserting large vegetables up the exhaust.
Be good way of motivating Donie to get back on county panel.
That's what I was saying earlier Macdanger2.
We all want to see more competitive games and not just Mayo or Kerry v Dublin once a year. Why not allow the 8 Div 1 teams play off the All Ireland series or even Div 1 v Div 2 in the last 16.
Play the provincials in June and July.
Donegal Team named for Sunday. Plenty of new faces including 3 league debutantes plus 1 playing league with Donegal for the first time.
Hard to see us putting it up to Kerry and I expect the run of bad results in Letterkenny to continue for another year.
Mark Anthony McGinley
Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee, Eoghan Bán Gallagher
Paul Brennan, Caolan Ward, Ryan McHugh
Hugh McFadden, Jason McGee
Martin O'Reilly, Michael Langan, Ciaran Thompson
Jamie Brennan, Michael Murphy, Patrick McBrearty
Has Mark McHugh packed it in or just not getting his place any more?
What ever happend to Ross Wherity?
Some change in that Donegal team, they'll be up against it on Sunday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 03, 2017, 03:05:11 PM
Has Mark McHugh packed it in or just not getting his place any more?
What ever happend to Ross Wherity?
Wherity went to New York didn't he?
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 03, 2017, 03:05:11 PM
Has Mark McHugh packed it in or just not getting his place any more?
What ever happend to Ross Wherity?
He's still involved. Recently had a baby boy but may not have been near the starting 15 anyway.
Wherity headed away for work. Still in the states AFAIK.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2017, 08:55:32 PM
Some change in that Donegal team, they'll be up against it on Sunday.
Some changes all right and I feel it'll not just be on Sunday that we'll be up against it. Still, there's a fine group of young footballers coming up that were part of some decent enough minor teams, so hopefully over the next few years we'll get back to competing in Ulster.
Predictions?
Cavan v Dublin - Dublin win +5
Tyrone v Roscommon - Tyrone +2
Donegal v Kerry - Kerry +3
Monaghan v Mayo - Draw
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Predictions?
Cavan v Dublin - Dublin win +5
Tyrone v Roscommon - Tyrone +2
Donegal v Kerry - Kerry +3
Monaghan v Mayo - Draw
Sickening arrogance.
Quote from: Syferus on February 03, 2017, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 03, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Predictions?
Cavan v Dublin - Dublin win +5
Tyrone v Roscommon - Tyrone +2
Donegal v Kerry - Kerry +3
Monaghan v Mayo - Draw
Sickening arrogance.
That was a typo, should have been +20 ;-)
Is the Mayo V Monaghan game in Castlebar?
Score line flattered us in the end, apparently, but having seen only 25 minutes of it, there appeared to be at least a few positives for us Donegal men.
1. Has Rory abandoned the blanket? We had three men up front at all times and we had men in their traditional positions putting the high press on the Kerry backs. Long may it continue, although it would mean an almighty hammering from the Dubs.
2. Whether forced on him or not, he's finally giving a good chunk of young lads a go at senior level. If it means relegation and a shorter season this year, I think most of us will live with that if these boys get a bit of experience.
Divsion 1 is shit, you all need to get you act together, Dublin walking to a 5 in row. Divison 1 is a disgrace.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 06, 2017, 12:04:44 PM
Divsion 1 is shit, you all need to get you act together, Dublin walking to a 5 in row. Divison 1 is a disgrace.
Leinster is worse.
Will be Kerry Tyrone league final. Dublin wont be going all out to win league. Beat a very limited Cavan team yesterday.
Quote from: Gael85 on February 06, 2017, 12:37:27 PM
Will be Kerry Tyrone league final. Dublin wont be going all out to win league. Beat a very limited Cavan team yesterday.
Cavan limited but the Dubs are only really starting to train as a team.
Look through the fixture list and see where they will drop more points than Tyrone or Kerry - I struggle to see where
Quote from: seafoid on February 06, 2017, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 06, 2017, 12:04:44 PM
Divsion 1 is shit, you all need to get you act together, Dublin walking to a 5 in row. Divison 1 is a disgrace.
Leinster is worse.
(http://i.imgur.com/9nohQh4.jpg)
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on February 06, 2017, 12:37:27 PM
Will be Kerry Tyrone league final. Dublin wont be going all out to win league. Beat a very limited Cavan team yesterday.
Cavan limited but the Dubs are only really starting to train as a team.
Look through the fixture list and see where they will drop more points than Tyrone or Kerry - I struggle to see where
Dublin only back training and are months behind Tyrone and Kerry. O'Sullivan,Flynn, Brogan and Connolly won't be back until round 5 or 6. Can't see us beating Tyrone, Kerry and Mayo.
Are Dublin any good this year lads?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 06, 2017, 02:21:41 PM
Are Dublin any good this year lads?
Not sure, you would need to ask their official performance appraisal partners .......
Is that Subaru??
No it's Indiana
What are the odds Indiana bought a new subaru so people would think he's part of the backroom team.
League table after round 1:
Team P W D L +/- Pts.
Dublin 1 1 0 0 7 2
Tyrone 1 1 0 0 6 2
Kerry 1 1 0 0 3 2
Monaghan 1 1 0 0 2 2
Mayo 1 0 0 1 -2 0
Donegal 1 0 0 1 -3 0
Roscommon 1 0 0 1 -6 0
Cavan 1 0 0 1 -7 0
All the teams that lost the first day out under pressure now if they lose this weekend.
Updated odds on winning:
Dublin 6/5
Kerry 3/1
Tyrone 4/1
Mayo 8/1
Monaghan 11/1
Donegal 25/1
Cavan 40/1
Roscommon 50/1
Odds on relegation:
Roscommon 2/5
Cavan 4/7
Donegal 10/11
Mayo 9/2
Monaghan 9/2
Tyrone 14/1
Kerry 20/1
Dublin 40/1
Tell me this, can you buy tickets for league games in SuperValu and the likes, similar to the Championship? And also, if you buy tickets on gaa.ie can you print them or are they postal only?
Cheers.
€12 tickets in Super valu if bought in advance.
€15 on the day
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 07, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
League table after round 1:
Team P W D L +/- Pts.
Dublin 1 1 0 0 7 2
Tyrone 1 1 0 0 6 2
Kerry 1 1 0 0 3 2
Monaghan 1 1 0 0 2 2
Mayo 1 0 0 1 -2 0
Donegal 1 0 0 1 -3 0
Roscommon 1 0 0 1 -6 0
Cavan 1 0 0 1 -7 0
All the teams that lost the first day out under pressure now if they lose this weekend.
Updated odds on winning:
Dublin 6/5
Kerry 3/1
Tyrone 4/1
Mayo 8/1
Monaghan 11/1
Donegal 25/1
Cavan 40/1
Roscommon 50/1
Odds on relegation:
Roscommon 2/5
Cavan 4/7
Donegal 10/11
Mayo 9/2
Monaghan 9/2
Tyrone 14/1
Kerry 20/1
Dublin 40/1
We're odds on for relegation after one game? ;D
Can't argue with that really. We've a very young team out and I'll honestly be surprised if we get the three wins we'll need.
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League table after round 1:
Team P W D L +/- Pts.
Dublin 1 1 0 0 7 2
Tyrone 1 1 0 0 6 2
Kerry 1 1 0 0 3 2
Monaghan 1 1 0 0 2 2
Mayo 1 0 0 1 -2 0
Donegal 1 0 0 1 -3 0
Roscommon 1 0 0 1 -6 0
Cavan 1 0 0 1 -7 0
All the teams that lost the first day out under pressure now if they lose this weekend.
Updated odds on winning:
Dublin 6/5
Kerry 3/1
Tyrone 4/1
Mayo 8/1
Monaghan 11/1
Donegal 25/1
Cavan 40/1
Roscommon 50/1
Odds on relegation:
Roscommon 2/5
Cavan 4/7
Donegal 10/11
Mayo 9/2
Monaghan 9/2
Tyrone 14/1
Kerry 20/1
Dublin 40/1
We're odds on for relegation after one game? ;D
Can't argue with that really. We've a very young team out and I'll honestly be surprised if we get the three wins we'll need.
Relegation playoff in the Hyde this weekend. Loser will need something special not to drop.
McStay out by 1st March ......
Quote from: J70 on February 08, 2017, 12:35:27 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 07, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
League table after round 1:
Team P W D L +/- Pts.
Dublin 1 1 0 0 7 2
Tyrone 1 1 0 0 6 2
Kerry 1 1 0 0 3 2
Monaghan 1 1 0 0 2 2
Mayo 1 0 0 1 -2 0
Donegal 1 0 0 1 -3 0
Roscommon 1 0 0 1 -6 0
Cavan 1 0 0 1 -7 0
All the teams that lost the first day out under pressure now if they lose this weekend.
Updated odds on winning:
Dublin 6/5
Kerry 3/1
Tyrone 4/1
Mayo 8/1
Monaghan 11/1
Donegal 25/1
Cavan 40/1
Roscommon 50/1
Odds on relegation:
Roscommon 2/5
Cavan 4/7
Donegal 10/11
Mayo 9/2
Monaghan 9/2
Tyrone 14/1
Kerry 20/1
Dublin 40/1
We're odds on for relegation after one game? ;D
Can't argue with that really. We've a very young team out and I'll honestly be surprised if we get the three wins we'll need.
Ye might get one in Castlebar given Mayo's home record!
Dublin to beat Tyrone
Kerry to bate Mayowestros
Cavan - Monaghan a draw
Donegal to beat us sadly :(
This Shannonside commentary (Ros v Don) is off the richter scale.
Willie?, heartbroken at the finish.
Sounds like an exciting game in Hyde Park. Eoin McHugh with an injury time point sneaks it for Donegal after Roscommon get a late goal to level it.
0-16 to 2-9
Hard to take, had we taken half our goal chances we would have won comfortably.
What on earth was stack at the end going for goal for? Take the pt and shut up shop 30 secs left
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What on earth was stack at the end going for goal for? Take the pt and shut up shop 30 secs left
Yep, bad mistake under the circumstances, although McGinley did well to shut him down so quickly.
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What on earth was stack at the end going for goal for? Take the pt and shut up shop 30 secs left
Yep, bad mistake under the circumstances, although McGinley did well to shut him down so quickly.
Decision making by some of the Roscommon players is almost as bad as their non tackling defence. For example the Kevin Higgins second point 1st half why didn't he pass to a totally unmarked Conor Devaney?
A bit better this week but defence still poor and we're still at the rugby league stuff.
Midfield was much improved and we had loads of possession but disn't make half enough use of it.
We still can't get past 9 points in a game which means we're unlikely to win a single game in the NFL.
I know the 2 Ulster dogs only managed 7 each but we will concede much more than that.
If teams finish on the same points then is it head to head if only 2 teams or score difference or average?
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If teams finish on the same points then is it head to head if only 2 teams or score difference or average?
Two teams head to head more than two scoring difference.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 13, 2017, 10:43:54 AM
A bit better this week but defence still poor and we're still at the rugby league stuff.
Midfield was much improved and we had loads of possession but disn't make half enough use of it.
We still can't get past 9 points in a game which means we're unlikely to win a single game in the NFL.
I know the 2 Ulster dogs only managed 7 each but we will concede much more than that.
We'd beat Cavan with the minor team out in fairness.
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A bit better this week but defence still poor and we're still at the rugby league stuff.
Midfield was much improved and we had loads of possession but disn't make half enough use of it.
We still can't get past 9 points in a game which means we're unlikely to win a single game in the NFL.
I know the 2 Ulster dogs only managed 7 each but we will concede much more than that.
We'd beat Cavan with the minor team out in fairness.
Ye can bearly beat New York.
Don't mind Syfīn and his "predictions"
He told all on stolen-sheep Saturday morning that Corofin would win the club championship.
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If teams finish on the same points then is it head to head if only 2 teams or score difference or average?
Two teams head to head more than two scoring difference.
Didn't Donegal make the semis last year and Cork get relegated despite both finishing on the same points, along with one or two others?
Hammerings such as the one Cork received in Ballyshannon can end up being very costly beyond the points lost.
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If teams finish on the same points then is it head to head if only 2 teams or score difference or average?
Two teams head to head more than two scoring difference.
Didn't Donegal make the semis last year and Cork get relegated despite both finishing on the same points, along with one or two others?
Hammerings such as the one Cork received in Ballyshannon can end up being very costly beyond the points lost.
Yes Donegal,Monaghan,Mayo and Cork all finished on 6 points. Donegal +12 scoring difference Mayo -9 Monaghan -11 and Cork -16. Cork beat Mayo by 9 and Monaghan by 7 points but it was the hammerings to Donegal and Roscommon that got Cork relegated and kept Monaghan up.
Donegal somehow find themselves 3 points up at the half, after two goals in a minute before half time when the Dublin defense was at sixes and sevens. Dublin have far more possession on an awful pitch, and missed a few chances they'd sling over on a dry one. Conditions are causing big problems for both teams, with O'Gara the only person who seems to be able to win a ball coming into him. Donegal had reverted to type and sat back, but I guess they can say it has worked, so far, when they're 3 points up after created few chances.
HT Donegal 2-2 Dublin 0-5
Donegal management are digging trenches around the 45 at halftime.
They really made no effort to play football in the first half and had one full forward
But to their credit, Mccaffrey missed an open point from play inside the 21 in front of goal,
Dublin fell asleep for a minute and they scored two goals.
Field in places in a bit of a mud bath
Some Dub forwards do not like it one bit especially Rock, who missed three scoreable frees and has not touched the hall from play.
If you thought the first half was not very entertaining the Second half may be worse hope I am wrong
52 mins gone in this Donegal Dublin game five scores to seven poor viewing but we might see exciting finish to game.
Dublin goal moments ago which could well be the turning point.
Going on todays game v Dublin you'd have to feel if Donegal meet Dublin in an AI final they would beat them! :P
Monaghan by a point in Killarney.
Phew...., it doesn't get any easier watching games this close.
Altogether a tremendous 2nd half effort by Monaghan to go three ahead with 10 minutes (all told) left to play. Nice to give Kerry a football lesson in their own back yard.
Could be a vital point for Donegal in the finish up. Halfway to the target of six, which would be some going for such an inexperienced team. Contrast in what came of the benches today was incredible! Good performance all around in difficult conditions, although we gave a few balls away by hand passing to men who were fairly tightly marked. Main thing was they hung in there when it looked like Dublin were getting set to pull away. Murphy was everywhere and made some powerful runs. Kicking was a bit off, but he wasn't alone in what weren't easy conditions with a wet field and cold muddy ball! Ciaran Thompson looks to be a lovely striker of the ball. McBrearty might have a bit of competition for the right side frees when he returns.
Last Donegal free was typical of a ref playing for a draw. Donegal's forwards were awful. 1 point from play and that was in the 1st min. Rock had an off day on the frees and good to see Flynn get first place run out
What a win for Monaghan. Had to do with listening to the lads on Northern Sound which was tough going at the end, but it'll be enjoyable viewing on tg4 now.
Good to hear the likes of McCarron and Doogan stepping up when McManus was well held, even if he did pop up for a couple of crucial points in the second half.
Wins away to Mayo and Kerry and unbeaten after 3 games, some start to the league.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 26, 2017, 03:48:49 PM
Last Donegal free was typical of a ref playing for a draw. Donegal's forwards were awful. 1 point from play and that was in the 1st min. Rock had an off day on the frees and good to see Flynn get first place run out
The one that Fenton won a few minutes beforehand on the Donegal 45 was just as soft.
Impressive from Donegal given the big changeover since last year.
Young McGee had a great game and thought Gallagher was good in defence.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on February 26, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
Impressive from Donegal given the big changeover since last year.
Young McGee had a great game and thought Gallagher was good in defence.
As was Murphy good in defence along with the other 14 players!! Football is dreadful
Two more points should keep Donegal up as Roscommon or Cavan are unlikely to get 6 points. Kerry having their normal league not overly bothered so long as they stay up.
I think Mayo will beat Dublin next weekend and go on to play Tyrone in the NFL final.
We're down unless we suddenly improve beyond all recognition.
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Impressive from Donegal given the big changeover since last year.
Young McGee had a great game and thought Gallagher was good in defence.
As was Murphy good in defence along with the other 14 players!! Football is dreadful
On TV it looked like Dublin had a lot of players in defence?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on February 26, 2017, 05:25:21 PM
Two more points should keep Donegal up as Roscommon or Cavan are unlikely to get 6 points. Kerry having their normal league not overly bothered so long as they stay up.
I think Mayo will beat Dublin next weekend and go on to play Tyrone in the NFL final.
Don't be losing the run of yourself. So far Mayo have been beaten by a solid Monaghan team, beaten a Kerry team who don't know what they want and and beating a Rossie team on the slide.
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Impressive from Donegal given the big changeover since last year.
Young McGee had a great game and thought Gallagher was good in defence.
As was Murphy good in defence along with the other 14 players!! Football is dreadful
On TV it looked like Dublin had a lot of players in defence?
Ever since Donegal beat Dublin in championship 2014. Jim Gavin has used 14 men back when not in possession. They won back to back All Irelands playing that way and won't change their tactics now.
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Two more points should keep Donegal up as Roscommon or Cavan are unlikely to get 6 points. Kerry having their normal league not overly bothered so long as they stay up.
I think Mayo will beat Dublin next weekend and go on to play Tyrone in the NFL final.
Don't be losing the run of yourself. So far Mayo have been beaten by a solid Monaghan team, beaten a Kerry team who don't know what they want and and beating a Rossie team on the slide.
I don't ever lose the run of myself. Before this league campaign Kerry,Dublin,Tyrone and Mayo were the four live contenders for this league title. Dublin have plenty of recent titles and won't be too bothered if they don't reach this final. In their last two games they could easily have lost both and I fancy Mayo to end their unbeaten run. Kerry are just looking to stay up now while Tyrone I believe will aim for a final appearance at least.
Keith Higgins remarked months ago on the NFL on how he would like to win a national title before he retires he turned 32 yesterday and he and a few others aren't getting any younger. I also feel Rochford will know finally wining a national after a long wait and beating Dublin on route will be a big boost before the championship.
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Two more points should keep Donegal up as Roscommon or Cavan are unlikely to get 6 points. Kerry having their normal league not overly bothered so long as they stay up.
I think Mayo will beat Dublin next weekend and go on to play Tyrone in the NFL final.
Don't be losing the run of yourself. So far Mayo have been beaten by a solid Monaghan team, beaten a Kerry team who don't know what they want and and beating a Rossie team on the slide.
I don't ever lose the run of myself. Before this league campaign Kerry,Dublin,Tyrone and Mayo were the four live contenders for this league title. Dublin have plenty of recent titles and won't be too bothered if they don't reach this final. In their last two games they could easily have lost both and I fancy Mayo to end their unbeaten run. Kerry are just looking to stay up now while Tyrone I believe will aim for a final appearance at least.
Keith Higgins remarked months ago on the NFL on how he would like to win a national title before he retires he turned 32 yesterday and he and a few others aren't getting any younger. I also feel Rochford will know finally wining a national after a long wait and beating Dublin on route will be a big boost before the championship.
Sorry, did not want to sound condescending. The League title has Dublin written all over it again! They have the squad dept and they are not losing games. And the final is in their home ground Croker. I would not describe Mayo as (willing) contenders. Next Saturday will tell a tale.
As for Higgins saying he'd like to win a National title. Well that remark was probably in a press conference to launch the National League, and he is going to say what he has to say to keep the Sponsors happy. Not that he'd turn down a National League medal.
Jaysus, that last free for Donegal was soft. Similar to Dublin's one against Tyrone
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 26, 2017, 08:44:32 PMthe final is in their home ground Croker.
::) this place never changes
That's because circumstances never change unfortunately.
Ah in fairness you have to fill the coffers with finance from those Corporate boxes!
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 26, 2017, 09:19:01 PM
Jaysus, that last free for Donegal was soft. Similar to Dublin's one against Tyrone
Sure t'wasn't a foul at all. But did ye see O'Gara giving a Donegal back a 2 handed push and no free given.
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Jaysus, that last free for Donegal was soft. Similar to Dublin's one against Tyrone
Sure t'wasn't a foul at all. But did ye see O'Gara giving a Donegal back a 2 handed push and no free given.
Yep, and a score came off it. Geaney was just shoved over the line as well by Wiley in another game and a kick out given instead of an easy free-in.
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Jaysus, that last free for Donegal was soft. Similar to Dublin's one against Tyrone
Sure t'wasn't a foul at all. But did ye see O'Gara giving a Donegal back a 2 handed push and no free given.
Yep, and a score came off it. Geaney was just shoved over the line as well by Wiley in another game and a kick out given instead of an easy free-in.
Easy free in? It was near the sideline. Monagahan got a sideline instead. Ridiculous decision.
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Jaysus, that last free for Donegal was soft. Similar to Dublin's one against Tyrone
Sure t'wasn't a foul at all. But did ye see O'Gara giving a Donegal back a 2 handed push and no free given.
Yep, and a score came off it. Geaney was just shoved over the line as well by Wiley in another game and a kick out given instead of an easy free-in.
Easy free in? It was near the sideline. Monagahan got a sideline instead. Ridiculous decision.
We call that action, shepherding over the line.
Kerry got away with a lot in that game, for instance making a mockery of the mark by crashing into the back of players trying to field the ball. Some balance was restored when the ref could have awarded a penalty to Kerry near the end. In the last 10 minutes the ref was swayed a number of times towards not hindering the noble Monaghan cause.
Looks like Ros and Cavan are going down. They don't seem to be able to defy gravity
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Looks like Ros and Cavan are going down. They don't seem to be able to defy gravity
We'll see. Cavan host Donegal on Saturday night. If Donegal win, they're probably safe, maybe needing another point to be sure. If Cavan win, Donegal are in a relegation fight. Donegal have a very inexperienced team this year.
So here's how we stand after match day 3 (minus Tyrone and Cavan result)
Monaghan 3 2 1 0 3 5
Mayo 3 2 0 1 8 4
Dublin 3 1 2 0 7 4
Tyrone 2 1 1 0 6 3
Donegal 3 1 1 1 -2 3
Kerry 3 1 0 2 0 2
Cavan 2 0 1 1 -7 1
Roscommon 3 0 0 3 -15 0
All very tight so far, Dublin's two draws have thrown the competition wide open so should keep competitiveness up till the end. I would say Kerry and Donegal need three more points each and Cavan and Roscommon will be more or less cut adrift.
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Jaysus, that last free for Donegal was soft. Similar to Dublin's one against Tyrone
Sure t'wasn't a foul at all. But did ye see O'Gara giving a Donegal back a 2 handed push and no free given.
Yep, and a score came off it. Geaney was just shoved over the line as well by Wiley in another game and a kick out given instead of an easy free-in.
Easy free in? It was near the sideline. Monagahan got a sideline instead. Ridiculous decision.
We call that action, shepherding over the line.
Kerry got away with a lot in that game, for instance making a mockery of the mark by crashing into the back of players trying to field the ball. Some balance was restored when the ref could have awarded a penalty to Kerry near the end. In the last 10 minutes the ref was swayed a number of times towards not hindering the noble Monaghan cause.
Absolutely agree. We lost 3 of our 4 players who were substituted due do injury through cynical fouling by Kerry. Darren Hughes was cleaned a few times before finally having to retire through injury, Walsh similarly. Sheehan's episode with Hughes reflects the tone more accurately that Drew Wylie's shepherding over the end & sideline. Monaghan are physical and tackle hard but do it within the regulations, in my 'blinkered' opinion..
Wylie loves tackling long after ball is gone.
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
Watched game back an as above Monaghan are definitely playing on the edge.
Not worried about reputations.
No one will get anything easy against them but will the flop yet again in Croker?
Any Monaghan posters worried they could be peaking too early?
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
Sheehan swallowed his own bait. After the tug of war, he had full possession of the ball and with every Kerry person screaming at him to get a move on, he chose instead to punch Hughes on the ground. I'd say if he hadn't done that, the ref would have moved the ball forward.
Gone in 60 seconds (Kerry style).
Malachy O'Rourke must be the most under rated manager in Ireland. Has done an incredible job with Monaghan, getting them into division one and winning a couple of provincial titles along the way. They are now firmly established as a top 8 team and the success that the county has had in recent years seems to be bearing fruit as a few good younger players are starting to come through. He had a good record in previous jobs as well so I would put him in the top 3 managers in the country and possibly even the best considering the resources that he is working with are limited in comparision to others.
Quote from: Taylor on February 27, 2017, 02:56:47 PM
Watched game back an as above Monaghan are definitely playing on the edge.
Not worried about reputations.
No one will get anything easy against them but will the flop yet again in Croker?
Any Monaghan posters worried they could be peaking too early?
In terms of injuries to key players, yes. We've definitely increased our 'strength in depth' quotient, which is something we lacked for years as a small county. In saying that, if the likes of Wylie(s)/Walsh/Hughes(s)/McManus get injured I'd fear..
There's nothing won yet mind so I for one certainly won't be getting carried away. We made a flying start to the league last year in winning the first two games and then just about beat Donegal in a dogged affair in the last round to just about stay up.. and the less said about the summer the better! ::)
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
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Malachy O'Rourke must be the most under rated manager in Ireland. Has done an incredible job with Monaghan, getting them into division one and winning a couple of provincial titles along the way. They are now firmly established as a top 8 team and the success that the county has had in recent years seems to be bearing fruit as a few good younger players are starting to come through. He had a good record in previous jobs as well so I would put him in the top 3 managers in the country and possibly even the best considering the resources that he is working with are limited in comparision to others.
A fine job he is doing where would Monaghan be without him? he built his team from the back as any good manager would do. Monaghan are as well organized and work as hard as any team. Kerry starting 6 forwards only scored 1 point from play yesterday when did that happen before.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
Monaghan are secretly one of the dirtiest sides in the country. They have even surpassed Donegal for me in that respect. Up there with 00's Armagh. Against Kerry they took advantage of a referee from a hurling county not understanding how football should be played.
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Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
I thought O'Connor played the ref like a fiddle in the game with Monaghan, how many frees did O'Connor manage to get moved into scoring range for nothing? He must have got three or four in that manner and was lucky to avoid a red late on.
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Jaysus, that last free for Donegal was soft. Similar to Dublin's one against Tyrone
Sure t'wasn't a foul at all. But did ye see O'Gara giving a Donegal back a 2 handed push and no free given.
Yep, and a score came off it. Geaney was just shoved over the line as well by Wiley in another game and a kick out given instead of an easy free-in.
Easy free in? It was near the sideline. Monagahan got a sideline instead. Ridiculous decision.
We call that action, shepherding over the line.
Kerry got away with a lot in that game, for instance making a mockery of the mark by crashing into the back of players trying to field the ball. Some balance was restored when the ref could have awarded a penalty to Kerry near the end. In the last 10 minutes the ref was swayed a number of times towards not hindering the noble Monaghan cause.
Absolutely agree. We lost 3 of our 4 players who were substituted due do injury through cynical fouling by Kerry. Darren Hughes was cleaned a few times before finally having to retire through injury, Walsh similarly. Sheehan's episode with Hughes reflects the tone more accurately that Drew Wylie's shepherding over the end & sideline. Monaghan are physical and tackle hard but do it within the regulations, in my 'blinkered' opinion..
Hughes had plenty of Mayo lads stepping away from his he man routine as us small part time farmers not up to the build of full time beasts like himself. No harm him getting bit of a clipping from the true animals.
Mighty to see the shrooms getting the win at the long whistle.
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Distant third rated?
Behind Tyrone and whom?
Its certainly not us. We barely scraped by ye last year and we've lost a serious chunk of the team since.
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Not saying that at all. Kerry were rubbish yesterday - i dont think anyone would argue otherwise. Monaghan beat them but they themselves had plenty to improve on. The gave up 3 great goal chances for a start. My point was I dont know if monaghan have peaked yet in the same way as say roscommon did peak early last year. A div 1 title would be fantastic. I'm old enough to remember 85 !
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Not saying that at all. Kerry were rubbish yesterday - i dont think anyone would argue otherwise. Monaghan beat them but they themselves had plenty to improve on. The gave up 3 great goal chances for a start. My point was I dont know if monaghan have peaked yet in the same way as say roscommon did peak early last year. A div 1 title would be fantastic. I'm old enough to remember 85 !
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2017, 08:58:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Distant third rated?
Behind Tyrone and whom?
Its certainly not us. We barely scraped by ye last year and we've lost a serious chunk of the team since.
´tis Donegal and I'm not under egging Monaghan
Now the betting average is 2nd fav Donegal @ 3/1 with Monaghan @ 6/1, that's a distance, but of course you'd have to beat Tyrone in order to get to the final. But whoever wins that game would most certainly be favourite.
In order for Monaghan to earn a final spot they have to beat 3 teams, which is a very tall enough order for Monaghan but if it did come down to an Ulster final between Monaghan and Donegal (after they beat Tyrone) then in all probability most would favour Donegal.
(i.e. most except J70).
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Not saying that at all. Kerry were rubbish yesterday - i dont think anyone would argue otherwise. Monaghan beat them but they themselves had plenty to improve on. The gave up 3 great goal chances for a start. My point was I dont know if monaghan have peaked yet in the same way as say roscommon did peak early last year. A div 1 title would be fantastic. I'm old enough to remember 85 !
Getting rid of the league semi finals was a good decision, the finals are finished before easter and even if Monaghan made the final by mistake, there's a 6 weeks gap before the preliminary v Fermanagh. i think the team and management should be experienced enough to handle their preparations.
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Not saying that at all. Kerry were rubbish yesterday - i dont think anyone would argue otherwise. Monaghan beat them but they themselves had plenty to improve on. The gave up 3 great goal chances for a start. My point was I dont know if monaghan have peaked yet in the same way as say roscommon did peak early last year. A div 1 title would be fantastic. I'm old enough to remember 85 !
Now everyone can see it..... https://youtu.be/06tfa8GvR2E
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Not saying that at all. Kerry were rubbish yesterday - i dont think anyone would argue otherwise. Monaghan beat them but they themselves had plenty to improve on. The gave up 3 great goal chances for a start. My point was I dont know if monaghan have peaked yet in the same way as say roscommon did peak early last year. A div 1 title would be fantastic. I'm old enough to remember 85 !
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2017, 08:58:14 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Distant third rated?
Behind Tyrone and whom?
Its certainly not us. We barely scraped by ye last year and we've lost a serious chunk of the team since.
´tis Donegal and I'm not under egging Monaghan
Now the betting average is 2nd fav Donegal @ 3/1 with Monaghan @ 6/1, that's a distance, but of course you'd have to beat Tyrone in order to get to the final. But whoever wins that game would most certainly be favourite.
In order for Monaghan to earn a final spot they have to beat 3 teams, which is a very tall enough order for Monaghan but if it did come down to an Ulster final between Monaghan and Donegal (after they beat Tyrone) then in all probability most would favour Donegal.
(i.e. most except J70).
I get that you have an extra game to make the final (albeit it the draw is not exactly lopsided like it was for us in 2015), but have you been paying any attention to the upheaval in the Donegal squad? (Obviously the punters haven't!)
I don't know the strength of the Monaghan team this year, but we have lost Rory Kavanagh, Christy Toye, Eamon McGee, Neil Gallagher, Odhran MacNiallais, Anthony Thompson, Leo McLoone and Colm McFadden (David Walsh is gone too, but he hasn't featured much). I think the figures quoted were that we've lost almost 800 games worth of experience. Our line-up will feature at least four or five debutants and several others who made their debuts this past season. We are absolutely at the start of a period of transition. And that doesn't just go for personnel. The damage limitation exercise against the Dubs aside, they're trying to move away from the blanket defense stuff too to better suit the players available.
There is no way in hell we are going to win an Ulster title this year. You'll be meeting Tyrone. Its time to get ready face your demons. Just like we (sort of) have with you lot! :)
What is up with macniallis? Didn't know he had gone.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 28, 2017, 07:25:05 AM
What is up with macniallis? Didn't know he had gone.
Opted out for the year. Same with Leo and Anthony Thompson. Ironically, they've opened up space for Thompson's younger brother and other players.
Did Donegal play a couple of minors from last year against Dublin?
Quote from: J70 on February 28, 2017, 11:37:23 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 28, 2017, 07:25:05 AM
What is up with macniallis? Didn't know he had gone.
Opted out for the year. Same with Leo and Anthony Thompson. Ironically, they've opened up space for Thompson's younger brother and other players.
Ciaran Thompson looks a lovely player. What age is he?
MacNiallais a big loss. A player with oodles of talent.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 28, 2017, 11:51:38 AM
Did Donegal play a couple of minors from last year against Dublin?
Think Jason McGee was the only one from last year's team to play Sunday.
Quote from: J70 on February 28, 2017, 01:57:37 AM
I get that you have an extra game to make the final (albeit it the draw is not exactly lopsided like it was for us in 2015), but have you been paying any attention to the upheaval in the Donegal squad? (Obviously the punters haven't!)
I don't know the strength of the Monaghan team this year, but we have lost Rory Kavanagh, Christy Toye, Eamon McGee, Neil Gallagher, Odhran MacNiallais, Anthony Thompson, Leo McLoone and Colm McFadden (David Walsh is gone too, but he hasn't featured much). I think the figures quoted were that we've lost almost 800 games worth of experience. Our line-up will feature at least four or five debutants and several others who made their debuts this past season. We are absolutely at the start of a period of transition. And that doesn't just go for personnel. The damage limitation exercise against the Dubs aside, they're trying to move away from the blanket defense stuff too to better suit the players available.
There is no way in hell we are going to win an Ulster title this year. You'll be meeting Tyrone. Its time to get ready face your demons. Just like we (sort of) have with you lot! :)
Monaghan have enough to think about just to get to the final, thoughts of crushing those red demons can wait.
Quote from: gwan-ye-boy-ya on February 28, 2017, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: straightred on February 27, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 27, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Seen Monaghan twice now. Once Live and Once on TV. They are motoring in a high gear at the moment. They are also playing on the edge. In Castlebar with their intensity they sorta caught everyone on the Hop including the Ref. They had a game plan, got into the Mayo heads and controlled the game including the referee who they read like a book. They did the same with Kerry yesterday. Sheehan took the bate.
eh? Hughes took 3 blows to the head yesterday and eventually had to go off with concussion. Walshe had to go off after a heavy knock. It was tough football but you can't say that it was just Monaghan that were "on the edge". Same with the castlebar game (that I was at and therefore saw 1st hand). Mayo are no shrinking violets and they gave as good as they got. From a team that many thought had a soft centre they are now as physical as anyone. The ref didn't allow COC to ref the game that night - fair play to him for that.
Hard to know if monaghan are peaking too soon. I don't even know if they are peaking. Kerry were awful yesterday and Mayo weren't much better in Castlebar. They've probably done enough to stay up but I think they should be pushing on and trying to get to the final. A crack at a Div 1 title would be a huge achievement for a small county like Monaghan and they've put themselves in a great position.
If Div 1 status is safe before the last game, then Monaghan will have achieved full satisfaction in the league campaign.
In order to survive in Div I, Monaghan have to take it seriously, none of this Kerry lark of just doing enough. It's deemed a necessary price to pay. If as you say Kerry were awful and Mayo slightly less awful, then by your reckoning winning the Div 1 title would not be a huge achievement.
What would be a big achievement in 2017 would be to win Ulster, going into it as a distant third rated team and with those Cavan hoors biting at our ankles.
Not saying that at all. Kerry were rubbish yesterday - i dont think anyone would argue otherwise. Monaghan beat them but they themselves had plenty to improve on. The gave up 3 great goal chances for a start. My point was I dont know if monaghan have peaked yet in the same way as say roscommon did peak early last year. A div 1 title would be fantastic. I'm old enough to remember 85 !
Now everyone can see it..... https://youtu.be/06tfa8GvR2E
Whatever about the sublime point scoring the philosophy was mighty - boot the ball up the field and go for a score.. no concept of keep ball and wind the clock down whatsoever, a refreshing reminder of the past! ;)
That video is just Scotstown propaganda ::)
Games in Breffni & omagh going ahead apparently
Will the game in the Hyde go ahead?
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 04, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Games in Breffni & omagh going ahead apparently
Will the game in the Hyde go ahead?
New pitch in the Hyde why shouldn't it go ahead?
0-6 to 0-4 to Donegal at half-time.
Cavan have come back into it well with Johnston frees after being five points down after 20 minutes. They're down to 14 men though.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 04, 2017, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 04, 2017, 03:46:13 PM
Games in Breffni & omagh going ahead apparently
Will the game in the Hyde go ahead?
New pitch in the Hyde why shouldn't it go ahead?
It was a genuine question - there's been a lot of rain so will be interesting to see if the new pitch is up to it. You'd expect it would be
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2017, 07:41:40 PM
0-6 to 0-4 to Donegal at half-time.
Cavan have come back into it well with Johnston frees after being five points down after 20 minutes. They're down to 14 men though.
Was a yellow at most but McVeety should have got gate.
Only realized the Donegal game was being televised with a few minutes left!
FT 1-16 to 0-11
Brings us up to five points. Another point should do it, unless Cavan and Roscommon suddenly turn things around.
Whatever about Cavan all the indications are that we're fcuked.
An awful lot of self created messes coming home to roost.
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
Only realized the Donegal game was being televised with a few minutes left!
FT 1-16 to 0-11
Brings us up to five points. Another point should do it, unless Cavan and Roscommon suddenly turn things around.
You need to be hit on the head repeatedly with a plastic hammer :D
I had to get though about 10 sites which only showed the Donegal Cavan game before I could get one which had the Omagh game.
Quote from: Main Street on March 04, 2017, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 04, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
Only realized the Donegal game was being televised with a few minutes left!
FT 1-16 to 0-11
Brings us up to five points. Another point should do it, unless Cavan and Roscommon suddenly turn things around.
You need to be hit on the head repeatedly with a plastic hammer :D
I had to get though about 10 sites which only showed the Donegal Cavan game before I could get one which had the Omagh game.
The warm, dulcet tones of Highland Radio kept me company for most of it. ;D
Saddens me to say it but cavan are gone. That was as bad as they have been in years. A rude awakening for all the idiots that were delighted to see Hyland ran when there was no one as good as him available. Not a forward in sight, Johnson at this level isn't up to it. But what was the game plan, it looks like a disorganised mess. Depressing stuff.
Quote from: Itchy on March 04, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
Saddens me to say it but cavan are gone. That was as bad as they have been in years. A rude awakening for all the idiots that were delighted to see Hyland ran when there was no one as good as him available. Not a forward in sight, Johnson at this level isn't up to it. But what was the game plan, it looks like a disorganised mess. Depressing stuff.
Manager way out of his depth. Team selections and substitutions are all over the shop. No apparent tactics.
Snap!
I would nearly say snap myself based on last night's performance. Beating Cavan is a must now.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 04, 2017, 10:43:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 04, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
Saddens me to say it but cavan are gone. That was as bad as they have been in years. A rude awakening for all the idiots that were delighted to see Hyland ran when there was no one as good as him available. Not a forward in sight, Johnson at this level isn't up to it. But what was the game plan, it looks like a disorganised mess. Depressing stuff.
Manager way out of his depth. Team selections and substitutions are all over the shop. No apparent tactics.
Yep, it is looking that way all right. No shape to us atm.
So after last night's games the league stands at:
Team Played +/- points
Dublin 4 19 6
Tyrone 3 10 5
Donegal 4 6 5
Monaghan 4 -1 5
Mayo 4 -4 4
Kerry 3 0 2
Cavan 3 -15 1
Roscommon 3 -15 0
Cavan and Roscommon look doomed already. If Tyrone can beat Cavan next week we are in a strong position with three games to go. Incidentally our last three fixtures are:
Donegal away
Mayo at home
Kerry away
If we can beat Cavan and get three points from those last three fixtures we're bound to be in with a big shout for league final.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 05, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
Cavan and Roscommon look doomed already. If Tyrone can beat Cavan next week we are in a strong position with three games to go. Incidentally our last three fixtures are:
Donegal away
Mayo at home
Kerry away
If we can beat Cavan and get three points from those last three fixtures we're bound to be in with a big shout for league final.
With the current perilous state of finances in Tyrone, all those McKenna cups must be melted for the silver by now and that would leave space in the cabinet for the league trophy to fit in with dignity.
I'd say the second spot would depend on the outcome of the Donegal v Tyrone game.
Even J70 must be hopping up and down with optimistic anticipation at this stage.
The Ref getting a fair bit of stick from Willie and co. on Shannonside today.His co commentator calling for an investigation in to the refs display :)
Ros down by 1 point to Kerry with 2 min. to go.Willie may have a heart attack
RIP Willie?
Was it a dirty game? On the wireless, it sounded like there were a lot of shemozzles. And that was just between McStay and the officials. :o
When you hear David O Connor the co. commentator saying that a pull on the jersey is a black card then you have to take the rest of what he says with a grain of salt
I see Mcstay is firing back at Gay Sherrans comments during the week and rightfully so.Sherrans comments were extremely ignorant and clueless and if fellows like him have any say in the running of GAa affairs in Ros then they are truly fooked.
"""When you hear David O Connor the co. commentator saying that a pull on the jersey is a black card then you have to take the rest of what he says with a grain of salt""
Would it not depend on the ""Pull"" Wouldn't one have to be there to witness it ? I Wasn't ;) were you ? , I listened to a lot of the commentary but not all . He seemed to agree with the "" Red Card"" for the Ros player , He indicated that Ros should not have got the penalty as the foul was out side the square , He indicated that the Ref was poor for both sides , For a guy commenting on his own side I thought he was not too bad over all ;)
Quote from: maigheo on March 05, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
I see Mcstay is firing back at Gay Sherrans comments during the week and rightfully so.Sherrans comments were extremely ignorant and clueless and if fellows like him have any say in the running of GAa affairs in Ros then they are truly fooked.
Sheerin's comments were out of line, good, measured response from McStay. The Mayo game aside, we haven't done too badly performance wise, today was a marked improvement. We've discarded previous management setups who had done well in the league but fell short come championship. Now, some are ready to call for a manager's head if we don't target the league. ::) Give him time, let him build his team and assess after 2-3 seasons. Getting rid of managers just brings us back to square one all over again.
Quote from: maigheo on March 05, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
I see Mcstay is firing back at Gay Sherrans comments during the week and rightfully so.Sherrans comments were extremely ignorant and clueless and if fellows like him have any say in the running of GAa affairs in Ros then they are truly fooked.
I thought the same but there seems to be a right few eejits running around Roscommon. Bringing a guys county of birth into the discussion says more about Sheerin than anything else.
Gay was a selector with Evans so any criticisms of the present dream team will be tinged with allegations of sour grapes.
We were reasonably competitive today in what was a very Leaguey type of nice game.
Our defence was crazy as usual, midfield not too bad, no game plan of attack just Smiths or Murtaghs trying individual things.
Good to see Diarmuid back, at least he made the Kerry defence earn their expenses today.
Ref was very poor, seems to be Derry's answer to the Duffy's.
We'll need six points from our last 3 games to stay up.
Handy oul assignment. ;D
Next up for the Rossies is a trip to Inniskeen.
Getting there will certainly tax the limits of the bus's geo tracker.
If you hit Hackballscross, that means you've gone too far and there's no turning back.
Turn left at Billy Brennan's barn.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 05, 2017, 11:36:49 PM
Turn left at Billy Brennan's barn.
Rossie's should stay there for the dance maybe.
Stay well away from anybody stripped to the waist carrying a pitchfork.
Could be the marauding ghost of McCabe.
Rossie's should finally get some points on the table as Monaghan are a very poor side.
They struggled to score in the first half against Tyrone and then in the second half they did their usual self destruct as they overstepped the line again with lack of discipline. Tyrone completely took the foot of the gas then and emptied the bench keeping them at arms length.
Best to wear yer head guards lads and maybe two gumshields. :o
Quote from: Main Street on March 05, 2017, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 05, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
Cavan and Roscommon look doomed already. If Tyrone can beat Cavan next week we are in a strong position with three games to go. Incidentally our last three fixtures are:
Donegal away
Mayo at home
Kerry away
If we can beat Cavan and get three points from those last three fixtures we're bound to be in with a big shout for league final.
With the current perilous state of finances in Tyrone, all those McKenna cups must be melted for the silver by now and that would leave space in the cabinet for the league trophy to fit in with dignity.
I'd say the second spot would depend on the outcome of the Donegal v Tyrone game.
Even J70 must be hopping up and down with optimistic anticipation at this stage.
Optimistic, yes.
But, its only March and its only the league. And we've only beaten Cavan and Roscommon (by a whisker in their case).
Tyrone game will be a big test for these young lads.
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
Need a few Leinster teams in Division 1 to give them a rattle.
The rest of the country is terrified of them.
They won't be top after next weekend and they still have to travel down to play Kerry who will be fighting for points to stay up. ;D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
They still have to play us.
Quote from: Syferus on March 06, 2017, 01:08:12 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
They still have to play us.
At least they'll know where to go this time.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2017, 10:24:17 AM
Rossie's should finally get some points on the table as Monaghan are a very poor side.
They struggled to score in the first half against Tyrone and then in the second half they did their usual self destruct as they overstepped the line again with lack of discipline. Tyrone completely took the foot of the gas then and emptied the bench keeping them at arms length.
Best to wear yer head guards lads and maybe two gumshields. :o
That "very poor side" beat both Mayo and Kerry, away from home. I wouldn't be holding my breath on the Rossies getting any change from them.
Quote from: Beffs on March 06, 2017, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2017, 10:24:17 AM
Rossie's should finally get some points on the table as Monaghan are a very poor side.
They struggled to score in the first half against Tyrone and then in the second half they did their usual self destruct as they overstepped the line again with lack of discipline. Tyrone completely took the foot of the gas then and emptied the bench keeping them at arms length.
Best to wear yer head guards lads and maybe two gumshields. :o
That "very poor side" beat both Mayo and Kerry, away from home. I wouldn't be holding my breath on the Rossies getting any change from them.
Correct and a very poor side wouldnt get within 4 points of Tyrone in Omagh with 13 men. Monaghan beat Roscommon in Kiltoom last year when the rossies had a stronger panel with the likes of the Dalys,Cathal Cregg,Neill Collins etc
Kiltoom, we'll always have Kiltoom!
Generally Monaghan have done well in the games played in Inniskeen. The Tyronies got skelped there and are still moaning about it.
Playing at home eases an amount of the pre-match anxiety that Monaghan supporters would have playing against the Rossies
Quote from: Itchy on March 05, 2017, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: maigheo on March 05, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
I see Mcstay is firing back at Gay Sherrans comments during the week and rightfully so.Sherrans comments were extremely ignorant and clueless and if fellows like him have any say in the running of GAa affairs in Ros then they are truly fooked.
I thought the same but there seems to be a right few eejits running around Roscommon. Bringing a guys county of birth into the discussion says more about Sheerin than anything else.
Gay's comments were completely over the top and out of order, and unfortunately distracted from the valid points he was trying to make. Really 11:30 pub talk. That said, McStay did too much crying about it. This is a man who after winning the All-Ireland no less with Brigids had a go at the Armagh ref, implying he could not be partial because Bridgits defeated Crossmaglen in the semi-final. It came from the exact same illogical place that made Sheerin proclaim McStay's heart could not be in Roscommon job because he was from Mayo. So less crying to your friend Marty Kevin and do something about our sieve-like defending.
At least he recognised Paddy Brogan's existence yesterday even if only for the last 6 or 7 minutes.
Paddy will hopefully plug one hole in the sieve.
Is Featherstone injured or have management decided he failed?
Forget Seànie at CHB.
Of course there are 3 Dalys sitting at home while Ian Kilbride who is in Lebanon till April got a place on the NFL squad of 30.
The NFL ends 2nd April.
Pity Gay didn't just stick to criticism of tactics, selections, dropping lads etc and leave out the personal stuff.
Seems the management are now blanking Shannonside. So will that mean a new sponsor for the SFC??
Ros could use the park the bus tactic.
Quote from: weareros on March 06, 2017, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 05, 2017, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: maigheo on March 05, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
I see Mcstay is firing back at Gay Sherrans comments during the week and rightfully so.Sherrans comments were extremely ignorant and clueless and if fellows like him have any say in the running of GAa affairs in Ros then they are truly fooked.
I thought the same but there seems to be a right few eejits running around Roscommon. Bringing a guys county of birth into the discussion says more about Sheerin than anything else.
Gay's comments were completely over the top and out of order, and unfortunately distracted from the valid points he was trying to make. Really 11:30 pub talk. That said, McStay did too much crying about it. This is a man who after winning the All-Ireland no less with Brigids had a go at the Armagh ref, implying he could not be partial because Bridgits defeated Crossmaglen in the semi-final. It came from the exact same illogical place that made Sheerin proclaim McStay's heart could not be in Roscommon job because he was from Mayo. So less crying to your friend Marty Kevin and do something about our sieve-like defending.
It was far easier to understand why a manger would be a bit put off by a ref from the club you just beat was reffing your next game. Hughes had a horrendous final whatever the reason and McStay even said he wasn't going to mention it had Brigids lost, which tells you it wasn't sour grapes but a genuine intention for fair play for whoever could've ended up in the same position in the future, it mattered feck all to him personally at that point.
Gay was just engaging in xenophobia. Maybe he's spent too much time in Kilmovee..
Gay forced McStay's hand and he was entirely right to respond, ffs I'd question how severely biased anyone is to colour his response to a serious attack on his character as crying to his mates.
"Too much time in kilmovee"
You're an awful c**k
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 06, 2017, 05:51:49 PM
Ros could use the park the bus tactic.
Old and clichéd. Adds nothing to the debate.
Sheerins comments about hating Mayo were childish, Shannonsides role in the debacle was poor. McStay had every right to defend himself. It's a huge pity Collins, Cregg, 2 Dalys And C.Shine are no longer involved. Dropping Featherstone is questionable, Seanie Mc should probably see sometime on the bench. Stacks role is one he can't fill. Brogan needs game time. McManus should also see bench time.
Monaghan and Cavan are 2 games we can win.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2017, 10:24:17 AM
Rossie's should finally get some points on the table as Monaghan are a very poor side.
They struggled to score in the first half against Tyrone and then in the second half they did their usual self destruct as they overstepped the line again with lack of discipline.
..and then proceeded to outscore you 8-5 with 13 men, forcing you to dust down the cobwebs of Sean 'Black Card' Cavanagh to come on and save your blushes.
You're not really providing an objective analysis; in fact, it is somewhat Fuzzy, if you'll excuse the pun.
I shall therefore take the opportunity to decorate mine.. ;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
How much longer must we wait for the lillywhite aristocrats to come good and replace the dross lingering at the bottom of the table? :)
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2017, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 06, 2017, 05:51:49 PM
Ros could use the park the bus tactic.
Old and clichéd. Adds nothing to the debate.
Sheerins comments about hating Mayo were childish, Shannonsides role in the debacle was poor. McStay had every right to defend himself. It's a huge pity Collins, Cregg, 2 Dalys And C.Shine are no longer involved. Dropping Featherstone is questionable, Seanie Mc should probably see sometime on the bench. Stacks role is one he can't fill. Brogan needs game time. McManus should also see bench time.
Monaghan and Cavan are 2 games we can win.
Apart from been sent off stupidly against Kerry McManus has been one of our best and most consistent performers this year. Don't no why Featherstone has been dropped to the bench he done well in first two games IMO. I don't see anything in Paddy Brogan and don't think he will make the team.
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2017, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
How much longer must we wait for the lillywhite aristocrats to come good and replace the dross lingering at the bottom of the table? :)
Excuse me, owning loads of horses doesn't make you an aristocrat.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 07, 2017, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2017, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
How much longer must we wait for the lillywhite aristocrats to come good and replace the dross lingering at the bottom of the table? :)
Excuse me, owning loads of horses doesn't make you an aristocrat.
Of course, though it could depend on the type of horse they own, not exactly farmyard plodders are they?
But I was more thinking of the motors they use to tow the horseboxes.
Joe Brolly, our most experienced bandwagoneer, speaking from his latest perch - on hill 16 riding the crest of the blue wave, Joe has hit upon a rare purple patch of punditry.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/andy-moran-is-their-most-dangerous-forward-but-hes-done-fitzsimons-murdered-him-joe-brolly-on-mayos-problems-35508569.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/andy-moran-is-their-most-dangerous-forward-but-hes-done-fitzsimons-murdered-him-joe-brolly-on-mayos-problems-35508569.html)
Fears stalks the hillbillys
Tyrone he says will struggle to win major honours because of the psychology of fear which stymies their attack
They're very hard to beat, and obviously very hard to watch. They're not translating that into winning football by attacking, so you see for example, they were six points up against Dublin, and they sit back and defend because that's the natural mindset. It's a psychology of fear."
"And you saw that against Mayo in the quarter-final last year. They couldn't score in the last 15 minutes to get an equaliser."
Joe said it not me, don't shoot the messenger, shoot Joe if you must.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 07, 2017, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Main Street link=topic=26665.msg1676138#msg1676138p date=1488886046
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
How much longer must we wait for the lillywhite aristocrats to come good and replace the dross lingering at the bottom of the table? :)
Excuse me, owning loads of horses doesn't make you an aristocrat.
As opposed to Asses in quantity does in the Royal?Direct quote from growlin Kildare man
beside me ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on March 07, 2017, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2017, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
How much longer must we wait for the lillywhite aristocrats to come good and replace the dross lingering at the bottom of the table? :)
Excuse me, owning loads of horses doesn't make you an aristocrat.
(http://www.irishmanuscripts.ie/images/products/121/2013%20June%20George%20Earl%20of%20Kildare%20SMALL.jpg)
Bring the Earl back, we might win something...
Quote from: oliverkelly on March 07, 2017, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2017, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 06, 2017, 05:51:49 PM
Ros could use the park the bus tactic.
Old and clichéd. Adds nothing to the debate.
Sheerins comments about hating Mayo were childish, Shannonsides role in the debacle was poor. McStay had every right to defend himself. It's a huge pity Collins, Cregg, 2 Dalys And C.Shine are no longer involved. Dropping Featherstone is questionable, Seanie Mc should probably see sometime on the bench. Stacks role is one he can't fill. Brogan needs game time. McManus should also see bench time.
Monaghan and Cavan are 2 games we can win.
Apart from been sent off stupidly against Kerry McManus has been one of our best and most consistent performers this year. Don't no why Featherstone has been dropped to the bench he done well in first two games IMO. I don't see anything in Paddy Brogan and don't think he will make the team.
Do the Brogans not go to the Hatch?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 07, 2017, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 07, 2017, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2017, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
How much longer must we wait for the lillywhite aristocrats to come good and replace the dross lingering at the bottom of the table? :)
Excuse me, owning loads of horses doesn't make you an aristocrat.
(http://www.irishmanuscripts.ie/images/products/121/2013%20June%20George%20Earl%20of%20Kildare%20SMALL.jpg)
Bring the Earl back, we might win something...
'The Fairy Earl'. ;D
Stick him in corner forward.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 07, 2017, 03:05:43 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 07, 2017, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 07, 2017, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2017, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
How much longer must we wait for the lillywhite aristocrats to come good and replace the dross lingering at the bottom of the table? :)
Excuse me, owning loads of horses doesn't make you an aristocrat.
(http://www.irishmanuscripts.ie/images/products/121/2013%20June%20George%20Earl%20of%20Kildare%20SMALL.jpg)
Bring the Earl back, we might win something...
'The Fairy Earl'. ;D
Stick him in corner forward.
I dunno, though he might look the part on a 5c postage stamp,
Quote from: Rossfan on March 07, 2017, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on March 07, 2017, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: Rudi on March 06, 2017, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 06, 2017, 05:51:49 PM
Ros could use the park the bus tactic.
Old and clichéd. Adds nothing to the debate.
Sheerins comments about hating Mayo were childish, Shannonsides role in the debacle was poor. McStay had every right to defend himself. It's a huge pity Collins, Cregg, 2 Dalys And C.Shine are no longer involved. Dropping Featherstone is questionable, Seanie Mc should probably see sometime on the bench. Stacks role is one he can't fill. Brogan needs game time. McManus should also see bench time.
Monaghan and Cavan are 2 games we can win.
Apart from been sent off stupidly against Kerry McManus has been one of our best and most consistent performers this year. Don't no why Featherstone has been dropped to the bench he done well in first two games IMO. I don't see anything in Paddy Brogan and don't think he will make the team.
Do the Brogans not go to the Hatch?
PB has the bit of physicality a lot of our backs lack. I remember him laying out Eamonn O'C in the 2012 U21 final with a fair shoulder and having the biggest grin imaginable on his face..
Thought he did well in his own rookie season at senior but he was away on his studies mostly since then so this is the first time he's going to get an extended look since then. Caff obviously very close to the starting team too.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 07, 2017, 03:05:43 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 07, 2017, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 07, 2017, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 07, 2017, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 06, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
So Dublin are gone top while missing some of some their big guns. Joke of a division!!
How much longer must we wait for the lillywhite aristocrats to come good and replace the dross lingering at the bottom of the table? :)
Excuse me, owning loads of horses doesn't make you an aristocrat.
(http://www.irishmanuscripts.ie/images/products/121/2013%20June%20George%20Earl%20of%20Kildare%20SMALL.jpg)
Bring the Earl back, we might win something...
'The Fairy Earl'. ;D
Stick him in corner forward.
Sound's like both his swords were ceremonial only?
Let's say, he was no silken Thomas.
Looking at the fixtures this weekend with Tyrone away to Donegal and Dublin away to Kerry you would not be overly surprised if the top two were to lose their unbeaten run. Tyrone have always struggled to beat Donegal in Ballybofey and Kerry will be well up for the game against the Dubs in their own backward which was the last place Dublin lost in the league.
Most would expect Mayo to beat Cavan at home and so the tables could end up with the three Ulster teams sitting level at the top with the big 3 only a point behind.
Tyrone 7
Donegal 7
Monaghan 7
Dublin 6
Mayo 6
Kerry 6
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 16, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
Looking at the fixtures this weekend with Tyrone away to Donegal and Dublin away to Kerry you would not be overly surprised if the top two were to lose their unbeaten run. Tyrone have always struggled to beat Donegal in Ballybofey and Kerry will be well up for the game against the Dubs in their own backward which was the last place Dublin lost in the league.
Most would expect Mayo to beat Cavan at home and so the tables could end up with the three Ulster teams sitting level at the top with the big 3 only a point behind.
Tyrone 7
Donegal 7
Monaghan 7
Dublin 6
Mayo 6
Kerry 6
A Super 6 might make more sense than a Super 8 at this stage.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 16, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
Looking at the fixtures this weekend with Tyrone away to Donegal and Dublin away to Kerry you would not be overly surprised if the top two were to lose their unbeaten run. Tyrone have always struggled to beat Donegal in Ballybofey and Kerry will be well up for the game against the Dubs in their own backward which was the last place Dublin lost in the league.
Most would expect Mayo to beat Cavan at home and so the tables could end up with the three Ulster teams sitting level at the top with the big 3 only a point behind.
Tyrone 7
Donegal 7
Monaghan 7
Dublin 6
Mayo 6
Kerry 6
A Super 6 might make more sense than a Super 8 at this stage.
no
because you don't know who are going to make up the last 8 . which is why the title super 8 is a bit misleading
sounds like a closed off group no else can enter . last year Tipp clare and galway would have been in it , tipp would have made a super 6 or even the Fabulous 4
cant see all 3 making it this year but who knows there could well be a changing of the guard
the point is the final 8 is purely based on merit and not a closed shop
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 16, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
Looking at the fixtures this weekend with Tyrone away to Donegal and Dublin away to Kerry you would not be overly surprised if the top two were to lose their unbeaten run. Tyrone have always struggled to beat Donegal in Ballybofey and Kerry will be well up for the game against the Dubs in their own backward which was the last place Dublin lost in the league.
Most would expect Mayo to beat Cavan at home and so the tables could end up with the three Ulster teams sitting level at the top with the big 3 only a point behind.
Tyrone 7
Donegal 7
Monaghan 7
Dublin 6
Mayo 6
Kerry 6
Home wins for Monaghan,Mayo however I think Tyrone will beat a Donegal side in transition. Dublin to beat a Kerry side missing Dr Crokes and other players.
Tyrone 9
Dublin 8
Monaghan 7
Mayo 6
Donegal 5
Kerry 4
Cavan 1
Roscommon 0
How the table would look after those results.
James O Donoghue didn't start tonight out injured again? Dublin with more or less the same starting 15 as they had against Mayo however they are given much less time on the ball this evening.
What channel is the kerry dublin game on?
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 18, 2017, 07:22:48 PM
What channel is the kerry dublin game on?
Eir sport 2hd channel 424
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 18, 2017, 07:22:48 PM
What channel is the kerry dublin game on?
Don't bother pal its like all in wrestling at the minute...
eir2 HD if you are really determined.
Dublin Kerry game tonight as bad as the 2015 AI final.
Reading the comments on reservoirdubs is better that any match ;D ;D ;D
Dublin 9-5 behind to now lead 9-10. The strength of their bench showing again.
13 each. Dublin hang onto their long unbeaten league/championship run by the skin of their teeth.at least the 2nd half was better viewing.
Didn't see the first half but the second half was very good.
Wtf was the Kerry defender doing there at the end? All they had to do was keep possession and they win but he kicks it straight to a Dublin player and they equalise.
Some good football during the game amidst all the cynical shenanigans and ugly tackling, but a good exciting end.
We'll sort the jackeens out next weekend.
Quote from: saffronandblue on March 18, 2017, 08:13:02 PM
Reading the comments on reservoirdubs is better that any match ;D ;D ;D
Some collection of whackjobs there .
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 18, 2017, 08:42:00 PM
13 each. Dublin hang onto their long unbeaten league/championship run by the skin of their teeth.at least the 2nd half was better viewing.
No one will beat this team. Invincible.
Quote from: Boycey on March 18, 2017, 07:25:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 18, 2017, 07:22:48 PM
What channel is the kerry dublin game on?
Don't bother pal its like all in wrestling at the minute...
eir2 HD if you are really determined.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 18, 2017, 07:25:06 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 18, 2017, 07:22:48 PM
What channel is the kerry dublin game on?
Eir sport 2hd channel 424
Cheers lads
Still not at full strength and still nobody can beat them. Division 1 teams need to have a long hard look at themselves.
I see Kildare sprung an unknown goal getter from the bench tonight Dinny.
Ye'll be replacing us in D1 next year no doubt.
Meanwhile if tomorrow's 2 games go to form there will be some pile up at the top of D1 and us and Cyaaaavn will be relegated (I think) with 2 games to go.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 18, 2017, 11:35:57 PM
I see Kildare sprung an unknown goal getter from the bench tonight Dinny.
Ye'll be replacing us in D1 next year no doubt.
Meanwhile if tomorrow's 2 games go to form there will be some pile up at the top of D1 and us and Cyaaaavn will be relegated (I think) with 2 games to go.
Playing with confidence but if they were to go up they would come back down. The Division 2 thread has been deleted, bizarrely .
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 18, 2017, 10:40:11 PM
Still not at full strength and still nobody can beat them. Division 1 teams need to have a long hard look at themselves.
Codding and joking aside, Kerry were well off full strength too. This Div.1 league so far shows that Dublin are a different animal in Croke Park. The reality is that a team of their quality should not lose the really important games with home advantage all the time. There is no getting away from that elephant in the room. They are a fantastic team but the dice is loaded. Only have to look at other sports, to see what home advantage means. If England played all their matches in Twickenham this year they would have done the slam. If Ireland had all theirs in Aviva probably would have done the same.
They have regressed in their style of play in the last 2 years, far too lateral and they have not been creating anywhere near as many goal chances in games as they used to. Kilkenny becoming playmaker hasn't helped.
The strength of their squad is crazy at the moment though.
Quote from: moysider on March 19, 2017, 02:31:42 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 18, 2017, 10:40:11 PM
Still not at full strength and still nobody can beat them. Division 1 teams need to have a long hard look at themselves.
Codding and joking aside, Kerry were well off full strength too. This Div.1 league so far shows that Dublin are a different animal in Croke Park. The reality is that a team of their quality should not lose the really important games with home advantage all the time. There is no getting away from that elephant in the room. They are a fantastic team but the dice is loaded. Only have to look at other sports, to see what home advantage means. If England played all their matches in Twickenham this year they would have done the slam. If Ireland had all theirs in Aviva probably would have done the same.
Kerry are well off Dublin with any 15. To continue your analogy it's a bit like saying if Italy had Castrogiovanni they'd have beaten Ireland. Mayo give them a bit of a go but ten games without a win speaks to the one-sided nature of the end result of that match-up too.
84-year old unbeaten streak equal today by the capitalists. Only thing standing in the way of them and tumbling that Kerry record is Roscommon..
With last nights results the table is wide open again.
You would expect Monaghan to join the top 3 today all on 7 points.
Donegal have showed so far they are not just a team in transition and are a very tough team to beat at home.
Their home match to Monaghan should be a cracker.
You would expect the Dubs to make the final but it's still very up for grabs who they will play.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 19, 2017, 11:22:24 AM
With last nights results the table is wide open again.
You would expect Monaghan to join the top 3 today all on 7 points.
Donegal have showed so far they are not just a team in transition and are a very tough team to beat at home.
Their home match to Monaghan should be a cracker.
You would expect the Dubs to make the final but it's still very up for grabs who they will play.
How many games will Donegal play at home in the Championship?
How many will Dublin get to play at home? Will Dublin be asked to play away from home from the League final to the AI Final?
Donegal at home doesn't seem to apply to Letterkenny though, whatever the reason!
Haven't lost in Ballybofey in seven years. Can't remember the last one we lost in Ballyshannon, although we usually get teams down there in the blowing gales of February.
You run out of superlatives trying to describe the grit and spirit of this Dublin team. They just never accept that they are beaten. Another monumental fight back (twice) in Tralee last night. Well done lads.
Can't help but feel that Dublin would have been better losing that long unbeaten record in a fairly meaningless league match. It is a bullseye on their back for the bigger summer championship games ahead if they win their remaining 3 league matches. Both Tyrone and Kerry really should have beaten the Dubs and I think that the distance between them and the rest is over exaggerated. The Dubs are still the team to beat but they are certainly no stronger than they were last year and inevitably the hunger levels will dip later on in the season given the amount of miles on the clock.
I make it
Dublin 7
Tyrone 7
Monaghan 7
Donegal 7
Kerry 5
Mayo 4
Cavan 3
Ros 0
It's any 2 from 4 to get into the league final whilst it's 1 from 3 to see who joins Roscommon in division 2 next season. Cavan give themselves a lifeline today with a good performance to beat Mayo. It's probably the first time Cavan have beaten a top county in recent years and could be a breakthrough win. They have to beat Kerry next to give themselves a chance of staying in the division.
The way the table has worked out means despite their being no semis this year, the odds of their being any dead rubbers in the last round of game is remote enough [Cavan v Roscommon might be a game of 2 already relegated teams if Cavan lose to Kerry and Mayo beat Tyrone]
The 4 teams on 7 points mean competition for the final spots is nearly certain to go to the last day.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2017, 04:26:43 PM
It's any 2 from 4 to get into the league final whilst it's 1 from 3 to see who joins Roscommon in division 2 next season. Cavan give themselves a lifeline today with a good performance to beat Mayo. It's probably the first time Cavan have beaten a top county in recent years and could be a breakthrough win. They have to beat Kerry next to give themselves a chance of staying in the division.
If they beat Roscommon in the last game and Mayo only manage a point from Tyrone and Donegal they might stay up anyway.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on March 19, 2017, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2017, 04:26:43 PM
It's any 2 from 4 to get into the league final whilst it's 1 from 3 to see who joins Roscommon in division 2 next season. Cavan give themselves a lifeline today with a good performance to beat Mayo. It's probably the first time Cavan have beaten a top county in recent years and could be a breakthrough win. They have to beat Kerry next to give themselves a chance of staying in the division.
If they beat Roscommon in the last game and Mayo only manage a point from Tyrone and Donegal they might stay up anyway.
Can't see Mayo getting a point from either to be honest.
Relegation might not be the worse thing?
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2017, 04:40:30 PM
Relegation might not be the worse thing?
For Roscommon maybe with a big turnover of players and rebuilding with 21 to 23 year olds is probably better done in Div 2 but i don't think an established and experienced Div one team/top 3 team like Mayo want to be playing Div 2 football in 2018.
Was there a division 3 thread that got deleted?
Quote from: dec on March 19, 2017, 05:14:42 PM
Was there a division 3 thread that got deleted?
Go to page 2. A load of threads entered the vortex.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 19, 2017, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on March 19, 2017, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 19, 2017, 04:26:43 PM
It's any 2 from 4 to get into the league final whilst it's 1 from 3 to see who joins Roscommon in division 2 next season. Cavan give themselves a lifeline today with a good performance to beat Mayo. It's probably the first time Cavan have beaten a top county in recent years and could be a breakthrough win. They have to beat Kerry next to give themselves a chance of staying in the division.
If they beat Roscommon in the last game and Mayo only manage a point from Tyrone and Donegal they might stay up anyway.
Can't see Mayo getting a point from either to be honest.
Full of optimism as per usual Farr! ;)
Just checked there. Mayo's recent McHale Park record is awful!
Looking at 2015/2016/2017
Mayo have played 10 games at home
We have won three - Monaghan (15), Down (16) and Roscommon (17)
We have lost 6 and drawn 1.
On the road during that period is Played 9 Won 5 Lost 4.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 20, 2017, 07:34:04 PM
Just checked there. Mayo's recent McHale Park record is awful!
Looking at 2015/2016/2017
Mayo have played 10 games at home
We have won three - Monaghan (15), Down (16) and Roscommon (17)
We have lost 6 and drawn 1.
On the road during that period is Played 9 Won 5 Lost 4.
Yer lucky ye have us in the Connacht final in McPrenty Park so.
Quote from: Syferus on March 20, 2017, 07:40:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 20, 2017, 07:34:04 PM
Just checked there. Mayo's recent McHale Park record is awful!
Looking at 2015/2016/2017
Mayo have played 10 games at home
We have won three - Monaghan (15), Down (16) and Roscommon (17)
We have lost 6 and drawn 1.
On the road during that period is Played 9 Won 5 Lost 4.
Yer lucky ye have us in the Connacht final in McPrenty Park so.
I was talking about the League! ;)
Did Mayo find any new scoring forwards so far this year ?
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2017, 09:05:11 PM
Did Mayo find any new scoring forwards so far this year ?
Mayo can't find forwards, Roscommon can't find backs, what's Galway's excuse?
I was thinking it must be league because we have a fairly decent championship record in our home patch . five losses only in last thirty years I make it off top of my head , could be forgetting though old age and all that.
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2017, 09:05:11 PM
Did Mayo find any new scoring forwards so far this year ?
Did ye find any defenders? We'll do a swap?
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 20, 2017, 07:34:04 PM
Just checked there. Mayo's recent McHale Park record is awful!
Looking at 2015/2016/2017
Mayo have played 10 games at home
We have won three - Monaghan (15), Down (16) and Roscommon (17)
We have lost 6 and drawn 1.
On the road during that period is Played 9 Won 5 Lost 4.
Why not try the odd home game in Ballina and see if it improves? Might get a better atmosphere from the local support than in the white elephant.
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2017, 09:05:11 PM
Did Mayo find any new scoring forwards so far this year ?
You're still beating that oul drum Seafóid. Do you watch any of these games? We've scoring forwards like most I would expect but the teams we play against don't let forwards ponce about on the ball. The game has evolved, like it or not.
Quote from: moysider on March 21, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2017, 09:05:11 PM
Did Mayo find any new scoring forwards so far this year ?
You're still beating that oul drum Seafóid. Do you watch any of these games? We've scoring forwards like most I would expect but the teams we play against don't let forwards ponce about on the ball. The game has evolved, like it or not.
That has been Mayo''s problem all along, Moysider. If ye have found someone , great.
Div 1 all set up nicely now.
Dublin should be fine so it looks like it will be Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan fighting it out for 2nd with Kerry also in with a shout.
If the league is anything to go by then it bodes well for the year in a competitive sense. I was expecting sides like Monaghan and Donegal to flounder this year as they said farewell to a few players but they seem to have improved from last year, Donegal in particular. McCarron looks like he could be the guy to take the pressure off McManus for Monaghan.
Kerry have been using a lot of new players this year so it will be interesting to see what they look like and how they go during the summer as they haven't really had their full selection available yet.
Dublin also have been giving a good few players extended runs this year like McHugh, Scully and Lowndes who look to have equipped themselves well.
Mayo will be a little worried about things but they've never exactly been flying in the league in the past few years.
Tyrone have been inconsistent up to now but I always feel we're a summer football side and winter football is never to our liking.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
Div 1 all set up nicely now.
Dublin should be fine so it looks like it will be Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan fighting it out for 2nd with Kerry also in with a shout.
will very likely be a Dublin v Donegal league final now.
Quote from: clarshack on March 21, 2017, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
Div 1 all set up nicely now.
Dublin should be fine so it looks like it will be Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan fighting it out for 2nd with Kerry also in with a shout.
will very likely be a Dublin v Donegal league final now.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Donegal could have a lot of their squad in action with the u21s from now until then.
They also have Mayo and Monaghan left. If Tyrone beat Mayo next week then Mayo will need a win to be safe.
Does it come down to scoring difference or head to head as I think there will likely be teams tied on points at the end.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: clarshack on March 21, 2017, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
Div 1 all set up nicely now.
Dublin should be fine so it looks like it will be Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan fighting it out for 2nd with Kerry also in with a shout.
will very likely be a Dublin v Donegal league final now.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Donegal could have a lot of their squad in action with the u21s from now until then.
They also have Mayo and Monaghan left. If Tyrone beat Mayo next week then Mayo will need a win to be safe.
Does it come down to scoring difference or head to head as I think there will likely be teams tied on points at the end.
Head to head if its just two teams on same points. Scoring difference for 3 of more
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: clarshack on March 21, 2017, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on March 21, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
Div 1 all set up nicely now.
Dublin should be fine so it looks like it will be Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan fighting it out for 2nd with Kerry also in with a shout.
will very likely be a Dublin v Donegal league final now.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Donegal could have a lot of their squad in action with the u21s from now until then.
They also have Mayo and Monaghan left. If Tyrone beat Mayo next week then Mayo will need a win to be safe.
Does it come down to scoring difference or head to head as I think there will likely be teams tied on points at the end.
Can't see us getting anything in Killarney in the last game, so for us to make the league final we would need to beat Mayo, and for Donegal and Monaghan to draw on Sunday. then we would need both Donegal and Monaghan to lose against Mayo and Dublin respectively.
Another scenario - Tyrone beat Mayo and lose to Kerry, Monaghan beat Donegal and lose to Dublin, Donegal beat Mayo. This would leave Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan all on 9 points with scoring difference coming into the equation. To go through this route Tyrone would probably need to beat Mayo well and take a narrow defeat in Killarney. All the missed goal chances against Monaghan could come back to haunt us.
Final schminal.
Does anyone care? Come the summer, it will still be Dublin and then the rest.
And, honestly, on the off chance that Dublin don't make the final, do Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan really want to play each other in a league final?
Quote from: J70 on March 21, 2017, 01:38:38 PM
Final schminal.
Does anyone care? Come the summer, it will still be Dublin and then the rest.
And, honestly, on the off chance that Dublin don't make the final, do Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan really want to play each other in a league final?
I think teams do care, obviously it's all secondary to the All Ireland but Dublin have 3 of the last 4 All Ireland's and all of the last 4 league titles so you could say Dublin care and the fact is that Donegal's victory against Dublin in 2014 remains the only knockout game across league and Championship that Jim Gavin has lost and he's now in to his 5th year in the job.
I think whoever is in the final will be going all out with their strongest team to win it.
Quote from: J70 on March 21, 2017, 01:38:38 PM
Final schminal.
Does anyone care? Come the summer, it will still be Dublin and then the rest.
And, honestly, on the off chance that Dublin don't make the final, do Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan really want to play each other in a league final?
I'd say Tyrone would like another go at the Dubs in the NFL final.
You'd think Dublin would handle Roscommon very easily this weekend, based on logic. But I have a little uneasy feeling about it with the papers talking so much about the record. The Rossies probably should have beaten us last year, although they seem to have regressed since then.
If we do beat the Rossies, I think Monaghan would be a good bet to beat us in the last round of league games.
Quote from: Hound on March 22, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 21, 2017, 01:38:38 PM
Final schminal.
Does anyone care? Come the summer, it will still be Dublin and then the rest.
And, honestly, on the off chance that Dublin don't make the final, do Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan really want to play each other in a league final?
I'd say Tyrone would like another go at the Dubs in the NFL final.
You'd think Dublin would handle Roscommon very easily this weekend, based on logic. But I have a little uneasy feeling about it with the papers talking so much about the record. The Rossies probably should have beaten us last year, although they seem to have regressed since then.
If we do beat the Rossies, I think Monaghan would be a good bet to beat us in the last round of league games.
Any team that wants another go at Dublin is deluded.
Quote from: Syferus on March 22, 2017, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 22, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 21, 2017, 01:38:38 PM
Final schminal.
Does anyone care? Come the summer, it will still be Dublin and then the rest.
And, honestly, on the off chance that Dublin don't make the final, do Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan really want to play each other in a league final?
I'd say Tyrone would like another go at the Dubs in the NFL final.
You'd think Dublin would handle Roscommon very easily this weekend, based on logic. But I have a little uneasy feeling about it with the papers talking so much about the record. The Rossies probably should have beaten us last year, although they seem to have regressed since then.
If we do beat the Rossies, I think Monaghan would be a good bet to beat us in the last round of league games.
Any team that wants another go at Dublin is deluded.
Memory is not what it used to be, so maybe the Tyrone lads will correct me, but I think Dublin's last four matches v Tyrone have been 2 one point victories and 2 draws.
Quote from: Hound on March 22, 2017, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 22, 2017, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 22, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 21, 2017, 01:38:38 PM
Final schminal.
Does anyone care? Come the summer, it will still be Dublin and then the rest.
And, honestly, on the off chance that Dublin don't make the final, do Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan really want to play each other in a league final?
I'd say Tyrone would like another go at the Dubs in the NFL final.
You'd think Dublin would handle Roscommon very easily this weekend, based on logic. But I have a little uneasy feeling about it with the papers talking so much about the record. The Rossies probably should have beaten us last year, although they seem to have regressed since then.
If we do beat the Rossies, I think Monaghan would be a good bet to beat us in the last round of league games.
Any team that wants another go at Dublin is deluded.
Memory is not what it used to be, so maybe the Tyrone lads will correct me, but I think Dublin's last four matches v Tyrone have been 2 one point victories and 2 draws.
So even outside of championship play they haven't taken a scalp - what hope is there when the real stuff starts? Tyrone are well known to be a team that doesn't improve much if at all come summer.
Quote from: Hound on March 22, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
If we do beat the Rossies, I think Monaghan would be a good bet to beat us in the last round of league games.
I sincerely hope so.. :) The margin of victory for Dublin over the last few meetings has been varied, so it's hard to call.. Ye gave us a good batin 2 years ago (I think..) in Clones in the last round on an Easter Sunday. I'm honestly not sure what Monaghan's plans are, they may be happy now with div 1 safety and use the last 2 games to give the new lads more game time, which hasn't been bad to us this year so far. They may also go all out for the final. It's close enough to the preliminary round game against Fermanagh (3/4 weeks I think) which is no foregone conclusion..
Personally, I'd like to see them continue to be competitive in every match as there is no substitute for winning ways.. In saying that, the Kerry game showed us that as a small county if you go all out to win every game you will pay for it in injuries, so there's a trade-off to be made..
I'm looking forward to the last 2 games in any case as both opponents tend to fire Monaghan up.. ;)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on March 22, 2017, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 22, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
If we do beat the Rossies, I think Monaghan would be a good bet to beat us in the last round of league games.
I sincerely hope so.. :) The margin of victory for Dublin over the last few meetings has been varied, so it's hard to call.. Ye gave us a good batin 2 years ago (I think..) in Clones in the last round on an Easter Sunday. I'm honestly not sure what Monaghan's plans are, they may be happy now with div 1 safety and use the last 2 games to give the new lads more game time, which hasn't been bad to us this year so far. They may also go all out for the final. It's close enough to the preliminary round game against Fermanagh (3/4 weeks I think) which is no foregone conclusion..
Personally, I'd like to see them continue to be competitive in every match as there is no substitute for winning ways.. In saying that, the Kerry game showed us that as a small county if you go all out to win every game you will pay for it in injuries, so there's a trade-off to be made..
I'm looking forward to the last 2 games in any case as both opponents tend to fire Monaghan up.. ;)
I think a lot depends on Sunday. If they lose that then they are likely to rest anyone with as much as a bruise for the Dublin game. Hope not as I'm going to the Dublin game and would like to see a contest and lets face it they need to have their best team out to have any chance.
Can ye all pray for us poor buicíns tomorrow :'(
Hope we can keep it to under 15 points.
Anyone listen to the piece on OTB about players travelling for training? It was based on a article written by a fella involved with the Mayo panel during the Horan era so it was primarily about mayo. Donegal probably suffer most from it though, followed by mayo.
Anyway, it was basically about how much tougher it is to for teams who have to travel long distances, unable to do collective training during the week or doing a long drive after training if you do. Fairly obvious points overall and not something that can be changed as things stand. However, I wonder will it be one of the drivers towards professionalism when it comes??
Quote from: Rossfan on March 24, 2017, 11:34:17 PM
Can ye all pray for us poor buicíns tomorrow :'(
Hope we can keep it to under 15 points.
Paddy Joe reckons we're never beat anyways.
Hasn't he gone off to live in feckin Shligo :o
After next weekends final league round this is the number of weeks until first round of championship:
Dublin - 9
Donegal - 7
Tyrone - 8
Monaghan - 7
Kerry - 10
Mayo - 7
Cavan - 10
Roscommon - 11
We could play our entire club championship programme in that gap.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 25, 2017, 01:26:30 PM
We could play our entire club championship programme in that gap.
McStay needs to keep them locked away to try and teach them how to identify players in different coloured shirts and run towards them.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 25, 2017, 12:15:50 PM
After next weekends final league round this is the number of weeks until first round of championship:
Dublin - 9
Donegal - 7
Tyrone - 8
Monaghan - 7
Kerry - 10
Mayo - 7
Cavan - 10
Roscommon - 11
Roscommon with the longest break decided to put the least amount of effort into the league. Pre planned or forced on them by the county board to save money?
Look away Mayo people.Cormac refing Ros and Dublin
Is it scoring difference or head to head that decides placing for teams on level points?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 25, 2017, 01:26:30 PM
We could play our entire club championship programme in that gap.
We have done it & more than once ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Buttofthehill on March 25, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
Is it scoring difference or head to head that decides placing for teams on level points?
Head-to-head if only 2 teams level on points, if 3 or more then point difference.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 25, 2017, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on March 25, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
Is it scoring difference or head to head that decides placing for teams on level points?
Head-to-head if only 2 teams level on points, if 3 or more then point difference.
Thanks. Dublin will run up a score here. Although Cluxton and backs arn't covering themselves in glory.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on March 25, 2017, 07:35:50 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 25, 2017, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on March 25, 2017, 07:17:44 PM
Is it scoring difference or head to head that decides placing for teams on level points?
Head-to-head if only 2 teams level on points, if 3 or more then point difference.
Thanks. Dublin will run up a score here. Although Cluxton and backs arn't covering themselves in glory.
Yeah they really don't look that secure.
8 different scorerers for Dublin in that half says it all.
Close enough game.
Division 1 is a joke. Dublin better off playing in the railway cup. No easy games there.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 25, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Division 1 is a joke. Dublin better off playing in the railway cup. No easy games there.
Remember when Roscommon and Kildare had good teams? Back in 2003.. those were the days.
Quote from: Syferus on March 25, 2017, 08:45:17 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 25, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Division 1 is a joke. Dublin better off playing in the railway cup. No easy games there.
Remember when Roscommon and Kildare had good teams? Back in 2003.. those were the days.
Halcyon!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 25, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Division 1 is a joke. Dublin better off playing in the railway cup. No easy games there.
Dublin have won 3/6.
How long do you have to go back to tot up the last three games in Leinster they didn't win? ;)
Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2017, 09:21:07 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 25, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Division 1 is a joke. Dublin better off playing in the railway cup. No easy games there.
Dublin have won 3/6.
How long do you have to go back to tot up the last three games in Leinster they didn't win? ;)
Draws the moral victores of the desperate.
We know our championship is shite, someday the penny will drop for the rest of you, imagine if Dublin got to play every league game in Croke Park as well, it would be even more embarrassing.
Roscommon werent much good defensively before McStay arrived but now they are the worst defensive team across all 4 divisions. Other than helping Dublins scoring difference that game was no use to Dublin at all. Flynn scoring 1-6 and isn't known for scoring summed up that total non contest.
Well done Dubs on going 35 games unbeaten. A phenomenal achievement.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 25, 2017, 10:56:56 PM
Well done Dubs on going 35 games unbeaten. A phenomenal achievement.
35 games unbeaten and scored 35 points tonight. Roscommon and Kevin McStay need to part ways before the championship. The TV pundit is out of his depth in inter county senior management.
Maybe Roscommon are just out of their depth in Div.1and against Dublin in particular?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 25, 2017, 10:56:56 PM
Well done Dubs on going 35 games unbeaten. A phenomenal achievement.
Well done Dubs. Fantastic team.
I'm tired, sickened and embarrassed.
To think we're paying 2 grand a week for that.
McStay and McHale need to apologise to the Ros Co Board, the players on and off the panel and the supporters for putting a crowd of unfit unconditioned light gasúns out in Division 1 football.
They've been ate, bet sick and have their confidence and morale shattered by 5 bad defeats out if 6. Point difference now minus 49 ffs!
Quote from: moysider on March 25, 2017, 11:24:56 PM
Maybe Roscommon are just out of their depth in Div.1and against Dublin in particular?
We weren't last year. Had won 4 out of our first 5 games. Where has it all gone wrong? We go from one disaster to another. We have a team sitting at home that would beat the current lot. Soul destroying stuff.
Quote from: Rudi on March 25, 2017, 11:39:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 25, 2017, 11:24:56 PM
Maybe Roscommon are just out of their depth in Div.1and against Dublin in particular?
We weren't last year. Had won 4 out of our first 5 games. Where has it all gone wrong? We go from one disaster to another. We have a team sitting at home that would beat the current lot. Soul destroying stuff.
Last year was joint managers. Fergal O Donnell who departed one year into his 3 year agreedment is mostly known for his defensive orgainstion and workrate. Kevin McStay seems to have some daft idea that he can win games without any defensive system in place or team organinstion and thinks things will be fine once the players get fitter for the championship.
Roscommon look a very unfit side
McStay being found out and I have little sympathy for him, always came across as a right little whingebag.
maybe it was for for record or maybe it was simply timing but dubs had all the big guns out tonight and they were mightly impressive. Having said that Roscommon didn't lay a glove on them. Were was the pride, passion, hurt or whatever you want to call. I can't remember one hard tackle FFS. They stood looking at them after about 10 minutes. Something like 2-26 from play? I don't care how good dublin are that is inexcusable.
Quote from: Rudi on March 25, 2017, 11:39:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on March 25, 2017, 11:24:56 PM
Maybe Roscommon are just out of their depth in Div.1and against Dublin in particular?
We weren't last year. Had won 4 out of our first 5 games. Where has it all gone wrong? We go from one disaster to another. We have a team sitting at home that would beat the current lot. Soul destroying stuff.
Yeah, it looks bad but I don't believe there is a better team sitting at home. The Murtaghs were there, the Smiths were there. Devaney has been busy. Who/how, and why are better players sitting at home? I always had time for Cathal Cregg but remember some Roscommon posters having ago at him when he was in the team.
Really where it all went wrong was last year in the championship. The replay to Galway and loss to Clare. When you lose to Clare by 6 points in July, results from Feb/March in Div.1 don't mean a whit.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 25, 2017, 11:38:56 PM
I'm tired, sickened and embarrassed.
To think we're paying 2 grand a week for that.
McStay and McHale need to apologise to the Ros Co Board, the players on and off the panel and the supporters for putting a crowd of unfit unconditioned light gasúns out in Division 1 football.
They've been ate, bet sick and have their confidence and morale shattered by 5 bad defeats out if 6. Point difference now minus 49 ffs!
2 grand a week??? No way. If they were doing it for nothing you'd still be getting ripped of.
Does anybody know, when was the last time kerry played a competitive game in breffni park?
Great point for Cavan today, very encouraging.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on March 26, 2017, 03:43:08 PM
Great point for Cavan today, very encouraging.
That is a super result
Still early days but Matty has put a shape on this side after looking all at sea in the earlier rounds and pulled two performances out of the team against top calibre teams, genuine competitiveness the like of which I'd argue hasn't been seen under any Cavan manager since the days of Martin McHugh's stewardship 20 years ago. If we stay up it'll be incredible. Very good signs now, a long road ahead but hopefully the team keeps developing and can finally deliver something tangible.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on March 26, 2017, 04:10:41 PM
Still early days but Matty has put a shape on this side after looking all at sea in the earlier rounds and pulled two performances out of the team against top calibre teams, genuine competitiveness the like of which I'd argue hasn't been seen under any Cavan manager since the days of Martin McHugh's stewardship 20 years ago. If we stay up it'll be incredible. Very good signs now, a long road ahead but hopefully the team keeps developing and can finally deliver something tangible.
We were lucky enough to hold on but that point delays relegation to the last day given that Mayo best that useless shower from Tyrone. I think we need Donegal to beat Mayo, Kerry to draw or win against Tyrone and Cavan to beat Ros. Can't see it happening for Cavan to be honest.
Quote from: big balla on March 26, 2017, 12:29:18 PM
Does anybody know, when was the last time kerry played a competitive game in breffni park?
This perhaps https://www.sportsfile.com/id/238151/
Quote from: Itchy on March 26, 2017, 04:41:29 PM
Quote from: cavanmaniac on March 26, 2017, 04:10:41 PM
Still early days but Matty has put a shape on this side after looking all at sea in the earlier rounds and pulled two performances out of the team against top calibre teams, genuine competitiveness the like of which I'd argue hasn't been seen under any Cavan manager since the days of Martin McHugh's stewardship 20 years ago. If we stay up it'll be incredible. Very good signs now, a long road ahead but hopefully the team keeps developing and can finally deliver something tangible.
We were lucky enough to hold on but that point delays relegation to the last day given that Mayo best that useless shower from Tyrone. I think we need Donegal to beat Mayo, Kerry to draw or win against Tyrone and Cavan to beat Ros. Can't see it happening for Cavan to be honest.
Itchy, I could be wrong but I think you need only one of Kerry or Mayo to lose as if both lose (and Cavan win) it'll go down to scoring difference which would see Cavan down. Like I said, I could be wrong.
If Kerry win they go to 8 points (or draw and got to 7), Mayo lose and stay on 6, Cavan beat Roscommon and go to 6 , it would come down to head-to-head and because Cavan beat Mayo, Cavan would stay up.
If Kerry lose and stay on 6 points, Mayo lose and stay on 6, Cavan beat Roscommon and go to 6, it would go down to scoring difference. Currently it is Kerry 6, Mayo -5 and Cavan -20
At a minimum Cavan need to beat Roscommon and Mayo to lose to Donegal.
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
As we drew with Kerry if it ends up Kerry and Cavan on the same points, it would go to scoring difference and ours is awful unless we hammer Roscommon and Kerry lose by a decent margin. Kerry getting a result and Mayo losing is our best bet. Our hopes are still alive but we're relying on two other results going our way now along with beating Roscommon.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
They have the semi of the Ulster U21s v Cavan this Wednesday and the final the Wednesday after.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
It would be some kick in the stones if Donegal U21s beat us Wednesday night and then went out and lost to Mayo!!
Quote from: Westside on March 26, 2017, 05:18:56 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
It would be some kick in the stones if Donegal U21s beat us Wednesday night and then went out and lost to Mayo!!
It wouldn't be like Mayo to make a hames of things against a thrown together Donegal side and lose, Kerry to beat Tyrone by a point, Cavan to scramble across the line and beat Roscommon by a point and Mayo to end up relegated.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2017, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
They have the semi of the Ulster U21s v Cavan this Wednesday and the final the Wednesday after.
Done it two years ago so they have history of it.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
That doesn't make ANY sense.
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Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2017, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
They have the semi of the Ulster U21s v Cavan this Wednesday and the final the Wednesday after.
Done it two years ago so they have history of it.
Against who?
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2017, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2017, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
They have the semi of the Ulster U21s v Cavan this Wednesday and the final the Wednesday after.
Done it two years ago so they have history of it.
Against who?
Mayo as well
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2017, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 26, 2017, 05:18:56 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
It would be some kick in the stones if Donegal U21s beat us Wednesday night and then went out and lost to Mayo!!
It wouldn't be like Mayo to make a hames of things against a thrown together Donegal side and lose, Kerry to beat Tyrone by a point, Cavan to scramble across the line and beat Roscommon by a point and Mayo to end up relegated.
You're right, it wouldn't.
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2017, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2017, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
They have the semi of the Ulster U21s v Cavan this Wednesday and the final the Wednesday after.
Done it two years ago so they have history of it.
Against who?
Mayo as well
You might want to check your sources.
Donegal: M Boyle; P McGrath, N McGee, E McGee; E Doherty, K Lacey, R McHugh; H McFadden, C Toye; F McGlynn, M McElhinney, O MacNaillais; C McFadden, P McBrearty, M O'Reilly. Subs: C McGinley for Toye (42), A Thompson for Doherty (42), M McHugh for H McFadden BC (48), S Griffin for McGinley (58).
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/injurytime-equaliser-sends-donegal-into-semifinals-at-mayos-expense-31119583.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/injurytime-equaliser-sends-donegal-into-semifinals-at-mayos-expense-31119583.html)
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2017, 05:55:48 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 26, 2017, 05:38:31 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 26, 2017, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 26, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
There talk Donegal might put out u21s v Mayo se we're gone but at least we put up a fight.
They have the semi of the Ulster U21s v Cavan this Wednesday and the final the Wednesday after.
Done it two years ago so they have history of it.
Against who?
Mayo as well
You might want to check your sources.
Donegal: M Boyle; P McGrath, N McGee, E McGee; E Doherty, K Lacey, R McHugh; H McFadden, C Toye; F McGlynn, M McElhinney, O MacNaillais; C McFadden, P McBrearty, M O'Reilly. Subs: C McGinley for Toye (42), A Thompson for Doherty (42), M McHugh for H McFadden BC (48), S Griffin for McGinley (58).
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/injurytime-equaliser-sends-donegal-into-semifinals-at-mayos-expense-31119583.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/injurytime-equaliser-sends-donegal-into-semifinals-at-mayos-expense-31119583.html)
How did that Donegal U21 team not win the All Ireland...
Saw Kieran Cunningham on bout it. I stand corrected.
I know it is the 2018 version of this league I'm talking about but will Kildare be allowed have their 1st home game against Dublin in 23 years next year or will it be moved to the neutral Croke park?
Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it 😅
Quote from: cavanmaniac on March 26, 2017, 03:43:08 PM
Great point for Cavan today, very encouraging.
Ffs, did ye hoors not get the memo about being relegation fodder??
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it 😅
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 26, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Bitter hatred? Nah! It's more pity and disdain. Couldn't give a fiddlers about you other you never never stop moaning & whinging about Dublin. You fckd your money away on McGeeney. You have a sh1tehole of a ground that isn't capable of hosting Div 1 games. Sort your own sh1t out and stop whinging like a fn 4 year old about Dublin.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 10:15:38 PM
Bitter hatred? Nah! It's more pity and disdain. Couldn't give a fiddlers about you other you never never stop moaning & whinging about Dublin. You fckd your money away on McGeeney. You have a sh1tehole of a ground that isn't capable of hosting Div 1 games. Sort your own sh1t out and stop whinging like a fn 4 year old about Dublin.
Spouting vitriolic nonsense again, Kildare's financial problems of a few years ago were more down to the struggles of paying for Hawkfield. The fund-raising efforts that McGeeney put in more than made up for the relatively modest expenses /salary he made in the county (I know that for a fact). Completely off point in 2018 anyway.
Newbridge is a shithole of a ground but is more than capable of holding division 1 games and all I'm calling for is fairness in that regard. Roscommon were allowed play games in Kiltoom last year in division 1 which is a lot worse and smaller.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 26, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Bitter hatred? Nah! It's more pity and disdain. Couldn't give a fiddlers about you other you never never stop moaning & whinging about Dublin. You fckd your money away on McGeeney. You have a sh1tehole of a ground that isn't capable of hosting Div 1 games. Sort your own sh1t out and stop whinging like a fn 4 year old about Dublin.
Says the lad who has to go to our national stadium to play their home games. Why don't ya use Parnell Park? (There won't be an answer THIB goes to bed early - It's a School night!)
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 26, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Was it not the health and safety boffins who wouldn't issue a cert for the last Kildare/Dublin game? So the Guards couldn't do whatever it is that they do, to approve the fixture being in Newbridge. The end result was the game being moved to Croke Park. It wasn't HQ that decided to screw anyone over.
Health and safety reduced the capacity while upgrades were done (a few licks of paint and some new barriers coupled with toilets improved a little). Capacity should be back up close to 10k at this stage but I'm not sure of what the official figure is. The last sell out was the 2013 game against Tyrone and even at that the Kilcullen end was empty enough. The GAA has a massive aversion to having full houses at matches.
Back in 95 it was overcrowded by all accounts and probably dangerous. Kildare won that day.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 26, 2017, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 26, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Bitter hatred? Nah! It's more pity and disdain. Couldn't give a fiddlers about you other you never never stop moaning & whinging about Dublin. You fckd your money away on McGeeney. You have a sh1tehole of a ground that isn't capable of hosting Div 1 games. Sort your own sh1t out and stop whinging like a fn 4 year old about Dublin.
Says the lad who has to go to our national stadium to play their home games. Why don't ya use Parnell Park? (There won't be an answer THIB goes to bed early - It's a School night!)
I wish it were a "School night".
I remember Dublin beating Mayo in the replay of the 1955 AI semi final and I can't remember many Mayo wins against the Dubs since then.
Team P +/- Pts.
Dublin 6 40 9
Donegal 6 12 8
Monaghan 6 6 8
Tyrone 6 10 7
Mayo 6 -5 6
Kerry 6 6 6
Cavan 6 -20 4
Roscommon 6 -49 0
So Roscommon are gone, Mayo or Cavan most likely to follow - cavan need to win to have a chance, mayo need to get something against Donegal to be safe although with a loss, it'd come down to points difference if kerry were to also lose; a draw/win for kerry in that situation would send us down. Kerry in theory could go down but they'd need to get hammered by Tyrone (12 points I think) to do so. I think either our game or Cavan's will be a draw to keep us up
At the top, anyone of the top 6 could make the final in theory but if I were a betting man, I'd go for Dublin & Donegal.
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 27, 2017, 12:04:22 AM
Team P +/- Pts.
Dublin 6 40 9
Donegal 6 12 8
Monaghan 6 6 8
Tyrone 6 10 7
Mayo 6 -5 6
Kerry 6 6 6
Cavan 6 -20 4
Roscommon 6 -49 0
So Roscommon are gone, Mayo or Cavan most likely to follow - cavan need to win to have a chance, mayo need to get something against Donegal to be safe although with a loss, it'd come down to points difference if kerry were to also lose; a draw/win for kerry in that situation would send us down. Kerry in theory could go down but they'd need to get hammered by Tyrone (12 points I think) to do so. I think either our game or Cavan's will be a draw to keep us up
At the top, anyone of the top 6 could make the final in theory but if I were a betting man, I'd go for Dublin & Donegal.
Looks like we are still likely to go down. More likely that we will lose to Donegal than Cavan lose to Roscommon.
Great result today against the head today. Some top performances from likes of Clarke, Harrison, Higgins, Durkan, Barrett, Nally. Andy put in a good shift but too predictable that he is the go-to man inside all the time. He won his fair share of ball with McCarron over him like a rash, but a combination of no support and a few scatty pass attempts took the shine off. Still good. McLoughlin was good too and that winning point was class. The bench was good. Vaughan, AOS and Doherty came in, got on ball and worked and kept us in it. Parsons though, had a Rolls Royce of a game. He was always quality but his workrate now is very good also. I spent all evening wondering how Horan could have let him go in the first years of his management.
My worry going into Donegal game is that we are just not creating enough scoring chances. Once we used to piss away easy chances. We were very economical again today. Now we are relying on difficult scores.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 26, 2017, 11:53:52 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 26, 2017, 10:36:36 PM
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Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 26, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Bitter hatred? Nah! It's more pity and disdain. Couldn't give a fiddlers about you other you never never stop moaning & whinging about Dublin. You fckd your money away on McGeeney. You have a sh1tehole of a ground that isn't capable of hosting Div 1 games. Sort your own sh1t out and stop whinging like a fn 4 year old about Dublin.
Says the lad who has to go to our national stadium to play their home games. Why don't ya use Parnell Park? (There won't be an answer THIB goes to bed early - It's a School night!)
I wish it were a "School night".
I remember Dublin beating Mayo in the replay of the 1955 AI semi final and I can't remember many Mayo wins against the Dubs since then.
Ah, THIB did ya get out of bed for a piss? As predicted you did not answer my question? Why don't ye use Parnell Park instead of our National Stadium? Did ye by any chance not spend a penny on it the last 20 years? And decided to use a ready made home instead? How convenient!
How many Championship games have ye won playing away to Mayo since 1955? I bet we have beaten ye more times when we are playng away from home?
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 27, 2017, 12:04:22 AM
Team P +/- Pts.
Dublin 6 40 9
Donegal 6 12 8
Monaghan 6 6 8
Tyrone 6 10 7
Mayo 6 -5 6
Kerry 6 66
Cavan 6 -20 4
Roscommon 6 -49 0
So Roscommon are gone, Mayo or Cavan most likely to follow - cavan need to win to have a chance, mayo need to get something against Donegal to be safe although with a loss, it'd come down to points difference if kerry were to also lose; a draw/win for kerry in that situation would send us down. Kerry in theory could go down but they'd need to get hammered by Tyrone (12 points I think) to do so. I think either our game or Cavan's will be a draw to keep us up
At the top, anyone of the top 6 could make the final in theory but if I were a betting man, I'd go for Dublin & Donegal.
So Kerry are the on the devil's number. Some, like Fear OSB, will say it has been that way for years.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 27, 2017, 12:41:44 AM
So Kerry are the on the devil's number. Some, like Fear OSB, will say it has been that way for years.
Ah no, it was quite the reverse during the 2000s; angelic putty in our hands you were! ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 26, 2017, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 26, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on March 26, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Bitter hatred? Nah! It's more pity and disdain. Couldn't give a fiddlers about you other you never never stop moaning & whinging about Dublin. You fckd your money away on McGeeney. You have a sh1tehole of a ground that isn't capable of hosting Div 1 games. Sort your own sh1t out and stop whinging like a fn 4 year old about Dublin.
Says the lad who has to go to our national stadium to play their home games. Why don't ya use Parnell Park? (There won't be an answer THIB goes to bed early - It's a School night!)
As the media salivate over Dublin's 35 game run, I have yet to see anyone point out that something like 25 of those games were played at home!!! In what other sport would get that? Of course you will get some eejit telling us that it actually is a disadvantage for Dublin playing so many games at home as teams tend to raise their own game more ;D
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on March 25, 2017, 10:56:56 PM
Well done Dubs on going 35 games unbeaten. A phenomenal achievement.
Well done Dubs. Fantastic team.
Dubs certainly played great attacking football. If the opposition play open football, we'll play open football too. The downside of that of course is that it leaves opportunities for the opposition. Full back line was far less well protected and were thus exposed a good few times.
Roscommon kicked some super points in the first half, but butchered a heap of goal chances. Don't think it's an exaggeration to say Rossies had 4 clearcut goal chances in the first half. Probably needed to take 3 of them to make a game of it.
While Roscommon have good kick passers and fielders, they lack serious pace. Of all the Division 1 teams they are the least pacy in my opinion, and probably by a distance. Which means that, especially playing the style they do, it was easy for Dublin to create scoring opportunities, just by being quick - attacking with pace, and playing quick ball. So Ros probably not using the best tactics to get the most out of the skillsets they do have.
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Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Bitter hatred? Nah! It's more pity and disdain. Couldn't give a fiddlers about you other you never never stop moaning & whinging about Dublin. You fckd your money away on McGeeney. You have a sh1tehole of a ground that isn't capable of hosting Div 1 games. Sort your own sh1t out and stop whinging like a fn 4 year old about Dublin.
Says the lad who has to go to our national stadium to play their home games. Why don't ya use Parnell Park? (There won't be an answer THIB goes to bed early - It's a School night!)
I wish it were a "School night".
I remember Dublin beating Mayo in the replay of the 1955 AI semi final and I can't remember many Mayo wins against the Dubs since then.
Ah, THIB did ya get out of bed for a piss? As predicted you did not answer my question? Why don't ye use Parnell Park instead of our National Stadium? Did ye by any chance not spend a penny on it the last 20 years? And decided to use a ready made home instead? How convenient!
How many Championship games have ye won playing away to Mayo since 1955? I bet we have beaten ye more times when we are playng away from home?
It's getting close to three quarters of a century since Mayo won a senior All Ireland. Is it not a case of "irrational exuberance" on the part of Mayo supporters to believe that they will ever win another?
I've a funny feeling we'll get something from the Donegal game.
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Sure on the basis our 5500 season ticket holders can be accomodated. Will beat the living daylights out of you regardless of where it's played. No doubt you'll find something else to whinge & complain about then.
You get promoted and that's the first thing you think of. You never stop do you! Youre a sad fn excuse for an inter county team. Great to have you back in Div 1. That's 2 points guaranteed and a damn good hiding to go with it
I'm just 1 contrary fan, I'm sure the team itself will be focusing on the next game and trying to improve. The only thing I would like to see is that teams are treated fairly in terms of getting to play home games, it was a disgrace in 2013 to only have 2 league games played in Newbridge (our county board were culpable too).
We love that ye still have a bitter hatred against us even though we are absolutely no threat whatsoever to Dublin's dominance.
Bitter hatred? Nah! It's more pity and disdain. Couldn't give a fiddlers about you other you never never stop moaning & whinging about Dublin. You fckd your money away on McGeeney. You have a sh1tehole of a ground that isn't capable of hosting Div 1 games. Sort your own sh1t out and stop whinging like a fn 4 year old about Dublin.
Says the lad who has to go to our national stadium to play their home games. Why don't ya use Parnell Park? (There won't be an answer THIB goes to bed early - It's a School night!)
I wish it were a "School night".
I remember Dublin beating Mayo in the replay of the 1955 AI semi final and I can't remember many Mayo wins against the Dubs since then.
Ah, THIB did ya get out of bed for a piss? As predicted you did not answer my question? Why don't ye use Parnell Park instead of our National Stadium? Did ye by any chance not spend a penny on it the last 20 years? And decided to use a ready made home instead? How convenient!
How many Championship games have ye won playing away to Mayo since 1955? I bet we have beaten ye more times when we are playng away from home?
It's getting close to three quarters of a century since Mayo won a senior All Ireland. Is it not a case of "irrational exuberance" on the part of Mayo supporters to believe that they will ever win another?
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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I've a funny feeling we'll get something from the Donegal game.
You have more riding on the result than Donegal, you'll be playing at home, and Donegal have a fairly young, light team.
It would hardly be a shock if you get something out of it! :)
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I've a funny feeling we'll get something from the Donegal game.
Sickening arrogance.
I suppose Mayo lads are entitled to a bit of a swagger after putting Tyrone to the sword in Omagh. What was the schemozzle count in Omagh?
Monaghan V Donegal was played in such sporting spirit that it had a children's certificate.
The permutations going into the last round are fascinating.
At the end of the Tyrone v Mayo match I more or less had given up hope of making the final as Donegal were beating Monaghan. However with that match ending in a draw it has left several different permutations possible.
The big one as a Tyrone fan is that Donegal are away to Mayo who could still get relegated.
Should Cavan beat Roscommon they go onto 6 points level with Mayo so should Mayo lose and Kerry draw or win then Mayo will go down as they will be level on points with Cavan but Cavan beat them. This hopefully will give Mayo a huge incentive not to lose to Donegal.
Should Tyrone draw in Kerry then they would be level on 8 points with Donegal and Monaghan (should they lose to Dublin) with a score difference of 10. So if Donegal lose by 2 or less they would go through to the final, otherwise Tyrone will.
If Monaghan win they go through no matter what.
There are lots of other permutations as well such as Dublin beat Monaghan, Donegal draw with Mayo and Tyrone beat Kerry so Donegal and Tyrone would be level on 9 points but Donegal go through as they beat Tyrone head to head.However, if Donegal and Monaghan draw and Tyrone win by 3 or more then Tyrone go through to the final.
If both Donegal and Monaghan win then both go through to the final and the Dubs are out
Roscommon and Kerry are the only teams that don't have much to play for.
Leave us out of it!
We were concentrating on the Championship buy now seem to have switched to a 3 year plan.
Fuzzman you have the permutations spot on,nobody seems keen to play the Dubs only Tyrone imo.
If Mayo and Dublin both win would Kerry not come back into it with a victory? They'd be level with Monaghan and Donegal on 8 points. Not sure what way the scoring difference is between the three though.
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Leave us out of it!
We were concentrating on the Championship buy now seem to have switched to a 3 year plan.
Think of the neighbours Roscommon!
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The permutations going into the last round are fascinating.
At the end of the Tyrone v Mayo match I more or less had given up hope of making the final as Donegal were beating Monaghan. However with that match ending in a draw it has left several different permutations possible.
The big one as a Tyrone fan is that Donegal are away to Mayo who could still get relegated.
Should Cavan beat Roscommon they go onto 6 points level with Mayo so should Mayo lose and Kerry draw or win then Mayo will go down as they will be level on points with Cavan but Cavan beat them. This hopefully will give Mayo a huge incentive not to lose to Donegal.
Should Tyrone draw in Kerry then they would be level on 8 points with Donegal and Monaghan (should they lose to Dublin) with a score difference of 10. So if Donegal lose by 2 or less they would go through to the final, otherwise Tyrone will.
If Monaghan win they go through no matter what.
There are lots of other permutations as well such as Dublin beat Monaghan, Donegal draw with Mayo and Tyrone beat Kerry so Donegal and Tyrone would be level on 9 points but Donegal go through as they beat Tyrone head to head.However, if Donegal and Monaghan draw and Tyrone win by 3 or more then Tyrone go through to the final.
If both Donegal and Monaghan win then both go through to the final and the Dubs are out
Roscommon and Kerry are the only teams that don't have much to play for.
Got the important bits there Fuzzman. A few very longshots exist...Mayo could make the final or be relegated depending on results and margin of victories.
Will Monaghan want to beat Dublin, with the prize being a rematch the following week if Mayo beat or draw with Donegal?
How many draws next week for the cynical amongst us? Mayo/Donegal and Kerry/Tyrone? What odds that double?
Why would Tyrone or Donegal want to draw their games?
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Why would Tyrone or Donegal want to draw their games?
No downside to either team if they draw...or their opponents either. In neutral venues, Tyrone and Donegal would probably be tipped to win. Since Kerry and Mayo have the home advantage, that couple of points swing might make a very tight margin in the end. Throw the price of a pint on both games ending level and go home a half hour earlier on Saturday night and Sunday night could be enjoyable. I see 15/2 for each game to end level by the way.
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Why would Tyrone or Donegal want to draw their games?
No downside to either team if they draw...or their opponents either. In neutral venues, Tyrone and Donegal would probably be tipped to win. Since Kerry and Mayo have the home advantage, that couple of points swing might make a very tight margin in the end. Throw the price of a pint on both games ending level and go home a half hour earlier on Saturday night and Sunday night could be enjoyable. I see 15/2 for each game to end level by the way.
Apart from the fact Mayo have a brutal home record.
Tyrone's forwards to finally fire and whip Kerry with a goal spree.
Mayo to beat a weakened Donegal side.
Cavan to trounce a dispirited Roscommon.
Warmed up Dubs to hammer Monaghan.
Kerry and Roscommon relegated, Tyrone and Dublin in Final.
Dublin to flatten Tyrone in final.
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Tyrone's forwards to finally fire and whip Kerry with a goal spree.
Mayo to beat a weakened Donegal side.
Cavan to trounce a dispirited Roscommon.
Warmed up Dubs to hammer Monaghan.
Kerry and Roscommon relegated, Tyrone and Dublin in Final.
Dublin to flatten Tyrone in final.
Kerry probably will beat Tyrone. Tyrone, while difficult to beat are very predictable how they set up.
Mayo find it difficult to beat anybody - weakened or not.
Roscommon probably have a dying kick in them and wouldn't be surprised if they get a result.
Monaghan won't be hammered. Dublin have drawn the tight games and this could be close as well.
Dublin to flatten whoever in final.
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Tyrone's forwards to finally fire and whip Kerry with a goal spree.
Mayo to beat a weakened Donegal side.
Cavan to trounce a dispirited Roscommon.
Warmed up Dubs to hammer Monaghan.
Kerry and Roscommon relegated, Tyrone and Dublin in Final.
Dublin to flatten Tyrone in final.
There would have to be a combined winning margin of 26 points for Tyrone and Cavan if Kerry were to be relegated
Kerry v Tyrone - Kerry
Mayo v Donegal - narrow Mayo win
Roscommon v Cavan - Cavan, but Ros to give them a fright.
Monaghan v Dublin - Draw.
Looks like a Dublin V kerry final
Haha don't know if Kerry would have wanted that outcome!
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Haha don't know if Kerry would have wanted that outcome!
Apparently it's Donegal in the final
Think Kerry have plus 13 points and Donegal have plus 10 so there fore making it Kerry and Dublin final
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Tyrone's forwards to finally fire and whip Kerry with a goal spree.
Mayo to beat a weakened Donegal side.
Cavan to trounce a dispirited Roscommon.
Warmed up Dubs to hammer Monaghan.
Kerry and Roscommon relegated, Tyrone and Dublin in Final.
Dublin to flatten Tyrone in final.
Great predictions there lad. You should apply for a job on the Sunday game🙄🙄
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Haha don't know if Kerry would have wanted that outcome!
Apparently it's Donegal in the final
A bitta yerra works wonders!
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Tyrone's forwards to finally fire and whip Kerry with a goal spree.
Mayo to beat a weakened Donegal side.
Cavan to trounce a dispirited Roscommon.
Warmed up Dubs to hammer Monaghan.
Kerry and Roscommon relegated, Tyrone and Dublin in Final.
Dublin to flatten Tyrone in final.
Great predictions there lad. You should apply for a job on the Sunday game🙄🙄
Kerry and roscommon lads must've had it up in the dressing room!
Death, taxes and Roscommon beats Cavan.
Nice to win one, and not keep Mayo up in the process.
Absolutley brilliant - and mental - days football. Terrible shame we only got to see one game.
Disgusted with today's performance, both on the line and on the pitch. Big players went hiding and our manager continues to make daft selection changes. 3 scores with the wind in the 2nd half was abysmal stuff and the Ross goal was comical in that our full back wasn't even looking at the Ball as it came in. Ros are a poor poor team, no midfield and no defense yet we let them have their own kick outs. Even when we needed scores we just let them have the ball and we all waited inside our own 45. Cavan will win nothing this year again and deserve to be in div2
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............ Cavan will win nothing this year again and deserve to be in div2
Deserve has nothing to do with it Itchy,
Div 1 is a state of mind.
How ye lads. Space for a little one? ;)
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............ Cavan will win nothing this year again and deserve to be in div2
Deserve has nothing to do with it Itchy,
Div 1 is a state of mind.
Ok Clint
Great to end the winless run.
Good work rate in the second half in defending !! Kilroy had a great game.
Cavan abysmal especially in the second half of a game in which they had something to play for.
Don't know how many subs we had on the bench today as Donie Smith and Seànie were brought back on.
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How ye lads. Space for a little one? ;)
Fierce strange surroundings here, might only be a limited enough visit for us maybe.
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How ye lads. Space for a little one? ;)
Fierce strange surroundings here, might only be a limited enough visit for us maybe.
You never AFA, it might just suit the age profile of that team right now and there are a few talented lads coming through also - we might even surprise ourselves!!!
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You never AFA, it might just suit the age profile of that team right now and there are a few talented lads coming through also - we might even surprise ourselves!!!
It won't be a surprise if you - or Kildare - stay up. The 2 newly promoted counties are usually most people pick for an immediate demotion back to Div 2. But for the past several years, one just promoted county goes down and one just promoted county stays up, in the year following their promotion to Div 1.
Well, well, well, wouldyalookat the fancy dans coming swanning back in here like the own the feckin place.
Anyone know who those other lads are? Did they wander in here looking for the horse racing thread or something? There's a couple of young Dubs outside after taking the wing mirrors off their double parked jeeps outside.
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Well, well, well, wouldyalookat the fancy dans coming swanning back in here like the own the feckin place.
Anyone know who those other lads are? Did they wander in here looking for the horse racing thread or something? There's a couple of young Dubs outside after taking the wing mirrors off their double parked jeeps outside.
That was just Jinxy.
Farewell Division 1.
But it's only temporary as our 3 year plan says well be promoted next year so all is well ;D
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Farewell Division 1.
But it's only temporary as our 3 year plan says well be promoted next year so all is well ;D
Maybe in 2019 Syferus will have his 'Connacht League' and it won't be Div 2.
So we play in a shit province where no one can beat Dublin and now going to play in a shit division 1 where no one can beat Dublin but pretend they can. I suppose we might get the chance to play them in Newbridge...
Going to miss Division 2 :'(
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 03, 2017, 12:53:58 PM
So we play in a shit province where no one can beat Dublin and now going to play in a shit division 1 where no one can beat Dublin but pretend they can. I suppose we might get the chance to play them in Newbridge...
Going to miss Division 2 :'(
Will we have any game in Newbridge if the redevelopment gets the go ahead?
Bring them all down to Geraldine Park!
As long as there is no games played in the park in Kildare town I'll be happy. It might be blasphemy but I wouldn't be too upset if games were played down in Portlaoise or Tullamore or even Carlow during the redevelopment phase, they would be preferable than playing in an empty Croke park as a curtain raiser for Dublin.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on April 03, 2017, 09:32:14 PM
As long as there is no games played in the park in Kildare town I'll be happy. It might be blasphemy but I wouldn't be too upset if games were played down in Portlaoise or Tullamore or even Carlow during the redevelopment phase, they would be preferable than playing in an empty Croke park as a curtain raiser for Dublin.
I'm sure there is a Business Community in Portlaoise or Tullamore or even Carlow that an injection of spending in these towns would help boost the local economy.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 03, 2017, 12:53:58 PM
So we play in a shit province where no one can beat Dublin and now going to play in a shit division 1 where no one can beat Dublin but pretend they can. I suppose we might get the chance to play them in Newbridge...
Going to miss Division 2 :'(
Will we have any game in Newbridge if the redevelopment gets the go ahead?
Will ye have any if it doesn't get the go ahead?
The best playing surface in the country will be exclusive to D2 next year, by the way.
Kiltoom?
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The best playing surface in the country will be exclusive to D2 next year, by the way.
Yes Semple is pristine indeed.
Quote from: Syferus on April 03, 2017, 11:34:18 PM
The best playing surface in the country will be exclusive to D2 next year, by the way.
Not just saying this to have a dig at you but although the pitch looked immaculate I did notice that there were a huge amount of players losing their footing on it on what was a very dry day. What was that all about?
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Quote from: Syferus on April 03, 2017, 11:34:18 PM
The best playing surface in the country will be exclusive to D2 next year, by the way.
Not just saying this to have a dig at you but although the pitch looked immaculate I did notice that there were a huge amount of players losing their footing on it on what was a very dry day. What was that all about?
The slipping was more produced in the first game against Donegal. It's gotten progressively better as time has went on. Probably due to the pitch's bedding in period being a bit rushed in order to be ready for the league. There was cncern playing the Donegal game on it might void Prunty's warranty but that was worked out.