Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Again php, neither me nor any of the podcasts I recommended has justified illegal occupation.

But Oborne, Clonan etc don't justify the Hamas massacre either.

Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations

to end a resistence to an occupation, you end the occupation.

any other conversation is a distraction and pushing narratives that ignore the root cause and are just paying it lipservice.

I enjoy Dunphy's podcasts because he covers a wide range of stuff, including a excellent one on the history of Israel and how we got here that I mentioned previously, the West Bank situation and military strategy.

It's grim seeing how similar you are to some of the Zionists who claim someone is anti-Semitic if they mention even the slightest criticism of Israel. You're the exact mirror image.

I am no way similar to zionists or a mirror image of them. I am not surprised someone who already labeled people on here extremists who are calling for ceasefire and application of international law also liken me to zuonists. someone who fails to see the language of the occupier permeating through the media he consumes amd sold as balanced.

before the mods appear, I'll leave it there.

[JoG2]

Hamas are an army of orphans. It's a false equivalence to compare them to Israel, the country that created them. Israel is much worse by a factor of 1000. I dare say main street, if you were born in Gaza you'd join yourself.

And no doubt the Hamas leaders housed in luxury in Qatar knew when ordering the Oct 7 attacks that there would be thousands more orphans when the inevitable and abhorrent Israeli massacre occurred.

Hamas aren't anti-semites, they don't discriminate, they want to end to all non-Muslim life in Israel/Palestine. But they could care less about the Palestinian people who are martyred in the meantime.

At this stage the people in Palestine both in Gaza and the West Bank are really all that matters. Yet they have no voice. Nobody (of relevance) shouting stop or bringing help. 

The people in Gaza voted for Hamas lad. In the west bank they didn't. They get murdered in west bank too, who caused that Hamas was it?

Hamas would settle for a 2 state solution, to 67 borders. Same as UN. You are watching too much American tv. If you want peace and a settlement you'll have to deal with Hamas

Less of the 'lad' nonsense, no need to start with that shite.

As I have stated, and also referred to excellent podcasts with Oborne, the situation in the West Bank is horrible. Hard to imagine living in that context where you are being wronged so often and nobody to make the oppression stop. Not comparable to the utter devastation in Gaza.

Tom Clonan, a retired Irish captain who served in the Lebanon and has great knowledge of the region, and who utterly condemns the Israeli actions, described Hamas as follows last week:

"Hamas are exactly the same as Islamic State. Hamas is a death cult, an extreme Salafist / Wahhabi form of Sunni Islam that seeks the complete destruction of Israel and all Israelis. They want to set up a caliphate in the Middle East and completely eliminate Israel."

I'll take his views over yours.

Episode 1869 of the Stand podcast for anyone interested in balance. Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations. 

They create Hamas, and now what to eliminate Hamas, how very American of them. You want to come across as balanced, but the bit in bold, jesus christ, everyone knows what their aim is..it is happening in front of our eyes, and has been for decades

FFS, I wasn't explaining what the Israeli aim is, I was recommending a podcast that discusses how the Israelis might go about their next stage and interesting comparisons with previous sieges/wars.

Clonan is a former captain in the Irish army and a security expert and served in the Lebanon. He is not pro-Israel in any way, shape or form, but has some balance which, as you will have noted, the extremists on here hate

There really isn't any extremists or far left on here as far as I can see... Most just want the killing and illegal occupation to stop immediately. Surely that's the humane position to take?
Emotions definitely run high at times.

[JoG2]

Good man php, make sure you don't listen to it, so you pretend to yourself what he said.

You are wasting your breath

Thought you were finished with this thread?
Your sum total in this thread is jibing at posters contributions, you've offered nothing else, diddly

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Good man php, make sure you don't listen to it, so you pretend to yourself what he said.

You are wasting your breath

Thought you were finished with this thread?
Your sum total in this thread is jibing at posters contributions, you've offered nothing else, diddly

https://twitter.com/JustJewsUK/status/1733496686238982375?t=94aQ8nFennVSOcB_O1X8kg&s=19

[SHEEDY]

https://twitter.com/TadhgHickey/status/1733171754875412509?t=SF6iu5n5ZCuWznpgNXmmig&s=19

[JoG2]

Good man php, make sure you don't listen to it, so you pretend to yourself what he said.

You are wasting your breath

Thought you were finished with this thread?
Your sum total in this thread is jibing at posters contributions, you've offered nothing else, diddly

https://twitter.com/JustJewsUK/status/1733496686238982375?t=94aQ8nFennVSOcB_O1X8kg&s=19

That woman is absolutely vile

[Itchy]

Here is some us/Israel propaganda

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1733551728182657381?t=yURIvG6EJTW7by2C1jVR9g&s=19

They stripped these men but seemingly missed one guy had an AK-47.

[Eire90]

sinn fein are not yoyur

Good man php, make sure you don't listen to it, so you pretend to yourself what he said.

You are wasting your breath

Thought you were finished with this thread?
Your sum total in this thread is jibing at posters contributions, you've offered nothing else, diddly

https://twitter.com/JustJewsUK/status/1733496686238982375?t=94aQ8nFennVSOcB_O1X8kg&s=19

That woman is absolutely vile

a good chance she becomes uk next pm

[SHEEDY]

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1734314612189790250?t=QlgSsHGOtoEnEyUJkaYcVQ&s=19

[seafoid]

Israelis suffer group trauma that goes back to WW2. They are paranoid and want to wipe out all threats. Group trauma can last for many decades. Famine trauma in Ireland lasted until the 1980s.

[Itchy]

Israelis suffer group trauma that goes back to WW2. They are paranoid and want to wipe out all threats. Group trauma can last for many decades. Famine trauma in Ireland lasted until the 1980s.

Maybe but I don't recall the Irish government declaring war on civilians as a result of the famine. There is something that I can only describe as evil running through Israeli society in the same way as there was evil running through German society at the time of the Nazi's. It is scary what they can justify. I just watched a video for example of them blowing up a UN school, not with a rocket from the sky, but with explosives placed inside. This was done to loud cheers. Absolutely off the scale sickos.

[seafoid]

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1734550767590125745

[bennydorano]

Israelis suffer group trauma that goes back to WW2. They are paranoid and want to wipe out all threats. Group trauma can last for many decades. Famine trauma in Ireland lasted until the 1980s.

Daniel Finkelstein had a great opinion piece in the UK Times a few weeks back about the mentality of Israelis/ Jews, the jist of it being People don't really understand what makes them tick, it was an interesting read. Seafoid mentions famine trauma, Israelis / Jews (& Finkelstein's piece) reference Masada. I remember the 80s TV Miniseries about it, it has always stuck in my mind, the holed up Jewish zealots killed themselves after a seige by the Romans rather than surrender.

[seafoid]

Israelis suffer group trauma that goes back to WW2. They are paranoid and want to wipe out all threats. Group trauma can last for many decades. Famine trauma in Ireland lasted until the 1980s.

Daniel Finkelstein had a great opinion piece in the UK Times a few weeks back about the mentality of Israelis/ Jews, the jist of it being People don't really understand what makes them tick, it was an interesting read. Seafoid mentions famine trauma, Israelis / Jews (& Finkelstein's piece) reference Masada. I remember the 80s TV Miniseries about it, it has always stuck in my mind, the holed up Jewish zealots killed themselves after a seige by the Romans rather than surrender.

Russians also have WW2 trauma. Most of the worst atrocities inckuding the Holocaust happened on the Eastern front


http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

The book touches on topics that were taboo during the Soviet period and have once again been excised from Putin's Russia: the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, by which Stalin and Hitler carved up Europe, the executions of deserters and the psychological effects of war for years to come. Her subjects recall sweaty nightmares, grinding teeth, short tempers and an inability to see forests without thinking of twisted bodies in shallow graves.

We thought we'd leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can't leave this and become free, because these people don't understand what freedom is

[seafoid]

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1734550767590125745