Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Milltown Row2]

Not surprisingly the UK made themselves look like proper Cnuts again today at the UN

Biden will lose any credibility (if he had any) with his stance

[Armagh18]

US and UK want fucked out of the UN.

[Hound]

Hamas are an army of orphans. It's a false equivalence to compare them to Israel, the country that created them. Israel is much worse by a factor of 1000. I dare say main street, if you were born in Gaza you'd join yourself.

And no doubt the Hamas leaders housed in luxury in Qatar knew when ordering the Oct 7 attacks that there would be thousands more orphans when the inevitable and abhorrent Israeli massacre occurred.

Hamas aren't anti-semites, they don't discriminate, they want to end to all non-Muslim life in Israel/Palestine. But they could care less about the Palestinian people who are martyred in the meantime.

At this stage the people in Palestine both in Gaza and the West Bank are really all that matters. Yet they have no voice. Nobody (of relevance) shouting stop or bringing help. 

The people in Gaza voted for Hamas lad. In the west bank they didn't. They get murdered in west bank too, who caused that Hamas was it?

Hamas would settle for a 2 state solution, to 67 borders. Same as UN. You are watching too much American tv. If you want peace and a settlement you'll have to deal with Hamas

Less of the 'lad' nonsense, no need to start with that shite.

As I have stated, and also referred to excellent podcasts with Oborne, the situation in the West Bank is horrible. Hard to imagine living in that context where you are being wronged so often and nobody to make the oppression stop. Not comparable to the utter devastation in Gaza.

Tom Clonan, a retired Irish captain who served in the Lebanon and has great knowledge of the region, and who utterly condemns the Israeli actions, described Hamas as follows last week:

"Hamas are exactly the same as Islamic State. Hamas is a death cult, an extreme Salafist / Wahhabi form of Sunni Islam that seeks the complete destruction of Israel and all Israelis. They want to set up a caliphate in the Middle East and completely eliminate Israel."

I'll take his views over yours.

Episode 1869 of the Stand podcast for anyone interested in balance. Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations. 

[JoG2]

Hamas are an army of orphans. It's a false equivalence to compare them to Israel, the country that created them. Israel is much worse by a factor of 1000. I dare say main street, if you were born in Gaza you'd join yourself.

And no doubt the Hamas leaders housed in luxury in Qatar knew when ordering the Oct 7 attacks that there would be thousands more orphans when the inevitable and abhorrent Israeli massacre occurred.

Hamas aren't anti-semites, they don't discriminate, they want to end to all non-Muslim life in Israel/Palestine. But they could care less about the Palestinian people who are martyred in the meantime.

At this stage the people in Palestine both in Gaza and the West Bank are really all that matters. Yet they have no voice. Nobody (of relevance) shouting stop or bringing help. 

The people in Gaza voted for Hamas lad. In the west bank they didn't. They get murdered in west bank too, who caused that Hamas was it?

Hamas would settle for a 2 state solution, to 67 borders. Same as UN. You are watching too much American tv. If you want peace and a settlement you'll have to deal with Hamas

Less of the 'lad' nonsense, no need to start with that shite.

As I have stated, and also referred to excellent podcasts with Oborne, the situation in the West Bank is horrible. Hard to imagine living in that context where you are being wronged so often and nobody to make the oppression stop. Not comparable to the utter devastation in Gaza.

Tom Clonan, a retired Irish captain who served in the Lebanon and has great knowledge of the region, and who utterly condemns the Israeli actions, described Hamas as follows last week:

"Hamas are exactly the same as Islamic State. Hamas is a death cult, an extreme Salafist / Wahhabi form of Sunni Islam that seeks the complete destruction of Israel and all Israelis. They want to set up a caliphate in the Middle East and completely eliminate Israel."

I'll take his views over yours.

Episode 1869 of the Stand podcast for anyone interested in balance. Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations. 

They create Hamas, and now what to eliminate Hamas, how very American of them. You want to come across as balanced, but the bit in bold, jesus christ, everyone knows what their aim is..it is happening in front of our eyes, and has been for decades

[LeoMc]

Listen to this man speak about killing babies as if he was talking about rats...

https://twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1733008513163784237?t=m8QVuuxRMINrb_yhF4xeoA&s=19

The video is edited to cut out the bit about Hamas and make it seem like the IDF killed them.


The IDF have enough blood on their hands without false propaganda.

[theskull1]

We live in an ugly world people.Sadly our spiritual leaders are just playing along with the powerful.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Hamas are an army of orphans. It's a false equivalence to compare them to Israel, the country that created them. Israel is much worse by a factor of 1000. I dare say main street, if you were born in Gaza you'd join yourself.

And no doubt the Hamas leaders housed in luxury in Qatar knew when ordering the Oct 7 attacks that there would be thousands more orphans when the inevitable and abhorrent Israeli massacre occurred.

Hamas aren't anti-semites, they don't discriminate, they want to end to all non-Muslim life in Israel/Palestine. But they could care less about the Palestinian people who are martyred in the meantime.

At this stage the people in Palestine both in Gaza and the West Bank are really all that matters. Yet they have no voice. Nobody (of relevance) shouting stop or bringing help. 

The people in Gaza voted for Hamas lad. In the west bank they didn't. They get murdered in west bank too, who caused that Hamas was it?

Hamas would settle for a 2 state solution, to 67 borders. Same as UN. You are watching too much American tv. If you want peace and a settlement you'll have to deal with Hamas

Less of the 'lad' nonsense, no need to start with that shite.

As I have stated, and also referred to excellent podcasts with Oborne, the situation in the West Bank is horrible. Hard to imagine living in that context where you are being wronged so often and nobody to make the oppression stop. Not comparable to the utter devastation in Gaza.

Tom Clonan, a retired Irish captain who served in the Lebanon and has great knowledge of the region, and who utterly condemns the Israeli actions, described Hamas as follows last week:

"Hamas are exactly the same as Islamic State. Hamas is a death cult, an extreme Salafist / Wahhabi form of Sunni Islam that seeks the complete destruction of Israel and all Israelis. They want to set up a caliphate in the Middle East and completely eliminate Israel."

I'll take his views over yours.

Episode 1869 of the Stand podcast for anyone interested in balance. Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations. 

balanced ha? Tom clonan is a dope like cathal Berry they love a good war or genocide. I've no idea how they would describe israel, who called the unwra and anyone who is critical anti semitic. it is not a religious war,

Hamas is a resistence force, they exist to resist the occupation. they are not ISIS, they ran ISIS from GAZA. You might look into the US and IsRaels associations with ISIS. they live side by side with Christians. Also the Charter updated in 2017 is clear.
There is only one side calling for (from the highest levels of goct.) and committing a genocide and its not the Palestinians.

Under international law you have the right to resist the occupier. to be clear for all the muppets that like to read into omissions or things not said, war crimes are war crimes whoever commits them.

How anyone can trust a word from the West after the US again failing to stop the slaughter of Palestinians again  last night is beyond me.

After a coordinated media campaign about rape (omitting all the rapes/sexual assaults by Israelis over 75 years, some well documented and admitted by those who did it) all the while the world ignores the slaughter now in South Gaza. I wonder why it was pushed 60 days later.

I do not believe a word of the so called evidence of the Israelis but I am also not naive enough to believe rape was not possible on Oct 7th.

in the video which is cut at 18 secs,  listen to the lies he tells about 8 babies and he does say they used tank shells on houses.  they reduced the numbers of dead by 200 as they were badly burned and turned out to be hamas, do we all believe that Hamas burned themselves or could israel of burned them out? if Israel did, it surely they new they were firing on Hamas and wouldn't have count them In their dead. more likely they fired on everyone and burned hamas and Israelis alike.

Almost everything out of them is a lie, Owen Jones watched the film that they are happy to share with a selected group and debunks some of the narrative, all the while we don't hear from hostages as to hear Hamas treated hostages well is not good media for israel.

I have seen loads of footage of Hamas attacking The IOF in Gaza, none of The IOF attacking Hamas (all images are them shooting at walls etc. or looking down holes (one obviously on the second floor of a building) almost everything they post on the IDF twitter or Isareli twitter page is debunked in minutes. the post of the solider singing genocidal songs, robbing and ramsacking, these i believe as they video themselves doing it.

the lies of where they rounded up Hamas turns out to be civilians in a different part of Gaza. the imagery is familiar in every genocide.

How anyone can still both side this is beyond me. Shame on them, everyones voice should be used to amplify the calls to stop a genocide and apply international law and the 67 border, right of return in full..

[Hound]

Hamas are an army of orphans. It's a false equivalence to compare them to Israel, the country that created them. Israel is much worse by a factor of 1000. I dare say main street, if you were born in Gaza you'd join yourself.

And no doubt the Hamas leaders housed in luxury in Qatar knew when ordering the Oct 7 attacks that there would be thousands more orphans when the inevitable and abhorrent Israeli massacre occurred.

Hamas aren't anti-semites, they don't discriminate, they want to end to all non-Muslim life in Israel/Palestine. But they could care less about the Palestinian people who are martyred in the meantime.

At this stage the people in Palestine both in Gaza and the West Bank are really all that matters. Yet they have no voice. Nobody (of relevance) shouting stop or bringing help. 

The people in Gaza voted for Hamas lad. In the west bank they didn't. They get murdered in west bank too, who caused that Hamas was it?

Hamas would settle for a 2 state solution, to 67 borders. Same as UN. You are watching too much American tv. If you want peace and a settlement you'll have to deal with Hamas

Less of the 'lad' nonsense, no need to start with that shite.

As I have stated, and also referred to excellent podcasts with Oborne, the situation in the West Bank is horrible. Hard to imagine living in that context where you are being wronged so often and nobody to make the oppression stop. Not comparable to the utter devastation in Gaza.

Tom Clonan, a retired Irish captain who served in the Lebanon and has great knowledge of the region, and who utterly condemns the Israeli actions, described Hamas as follows last week:

"Hamas are exactly the same as Islamic State. Hamas is a death cult, an extreme Salafist / Wahhabi form of Sunni Islam that seeks the complete destruction of Israel and all Israelis. They want to set up a caliphate in the Middle East and completely eliminate Israel."

I'll take his views over yours.

Episode 1869 of the Stand podcast for anyone interested in balance. Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations. 

They create Hamas, and now what to eliminate Hamas, how very American of them. You want to come across as balanced, but the bit in bold, jesus christ, everyone knows what their aim is..it is happening in front of our eyes, and has been for decades

FFS, I wasn't explaining what the Israeli aim is, I was recommending a podcast that discusses how the Israelis might go about their next stage and interesting comparisons with previous sieges/wars.

Clonan is a former captain in the Irish army and a security expert and served in the Lebanon. He is not pro-Israel in any way, shape or form, but has some balance which, as you will have noted, the extremists on here hate

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Hamas are an army of orphans. It's a false equivalence to compare them to Israel, the country that created them. Israel is much worse by a factor of 1000. I dare say main street, if you were born in Gaza you'd join yourself.

And no doubt the Hamas leaders housed in luxury in Qatar knew when ordering the Oct 7 attacks that there would be thousands more orphans when the inevitable and abhorrent Israeli massacre occurred.

Hamas aren't anti-semites, they don't discriminate, they want to end to all non-Muslim life in Israel/Palestine. But they could care less about the Palestinian people who are martyred in the meantime.

At this stage the people in Palestine both in Gaza and the West Bank are really all that matters. Yet they have no voice. Nobody (of relevance) shouting stop or bringing help. 

The people in Gaza voted for Hamas lad. In the west bank they didn't. They get murdered in west bank too, who caused that Hamas was it?

Hamas would settle for a 2 state solution, to 67 borders. Same as UN. You are watching too much American tv. If you want peace and a settlement you'll have to deal with Hamas

Less of the 'lad' nonsense, no need to start with that shite.

As I have stated, and also referred to excellent podcasts with Oborne, the situation in the West Bank is horrible. Hard to imagine living in that context where you are being wronged so often and nobody to make the oppression stop. Not comparable to the utter devastation in Gaza.

Tom Clonan, a retired Irish captain who served in the Lebanon and has great knowledge of the region, and who utterly condemns the Israeli actions, described Hamas as follows last week:

"Hamas are exactly the same as Islamic State. Hamas is a death cult, an extreme Salafist / Wahhabi form of Sunni Islam that seeks the complete destruction of Israel and all Israelis. They want to set up a caliphate in the Middle East and completely eliminate Israel."

I'll take his views over yours.

Episode 1869 of the Stand podcast for anyone interested in balance. Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations. 

They create Hamas, and now what to eliminate Hamas, how very American of them. You want to come across as balanced, but the bit in bold, jesus christ, everyone knows what their aim is..it is happening in front of our eyes, and has been for decades

FFS, I wasn't explaining what the Israeli aim is, I was recommending a podcast that discusses how the Israelis might go about their next stage and interesting comparisons with previous sieges/wars.

Clonan is a former captain in the Irish army and a security expert and served in the Lebanon. He is not pro-Israel in any way, shape or form, but has some balance which, as you will have noted, the extremists on here hate

extremists are those now calling for ceasefires and applications of international law.

Clonan is not balanced, he represents the secuity system and his opinon your provided is completely wrong. Bringing balance to 75 years of occupation and the reaction to that occupation is not bringing balance it's a cop out.

[Hound]

Good man php, make sure you don't listen to it, so you pretend to yourself what he said.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Good man php, make sure you don't listen to it, so you pretend to yourself what he said.

to make it easier for you..

https://twitter.com/TadhgHickey/status/1733164959574479262?t=5Agy0Wu-8_cmWuIF4mYnyA&s=19

in this context, clonan is BBC, the reality is Al Jazeera. it is not balance, its a narrative to justify and downplay occupation.

I have no interet in listening to how Hamas can be militarily defeated, resisting an occupier cannot be defeated militarily, if you have a podcast that focuses on addressing the root cause, the occupation and addressing how to dismantle the apartheid system in Israel, how international law should be applied.... Im all ears.

[Saffrongael]

Good man php, make sure you don't listen to it, so you pretend to yourself what he said.

You are wasting your breath

[Hound]

Again php, neither me nor any of the podcasts I recommended has justified illegal occupation.

But Oborne, Clonan etc don't justify the Hamas massacre either.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Again php, neither me nor any of the podcasts I recommended has justified illegal occupation.

But Oborne, Clonan etc don't justify the Hamas massacre either.

Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations

to end a resistence to an occupation, you end the occupation.

any other conversation is a distraction and pushing narratives that ignore the root cause and are just paying it lipservice.

[Hound]

Again php, neither me nor any of the podcasts I recommended has justified illegal occupation.

But Oborne, Clonan etc don't justify the Hamas massacre either.

Mostly focuses on Israeli illegal actions of course and analysis of how they intend to complete their stated aim of eliminating Hamas and comparing it (somewhat) similar operations

to end a resistence to an occupation, you end the occupation.

any other conversation is a distraction and pushing narratives that ignore the root cause and are just paying it lipservice.

I enjoy Dunphy's podcasts because he covers a wide range of stuff, including a excellent one on the history of Israel and how we got here that I mentioned previously, the West Bank situation and military strategy.

It's grim seeing how similar you are to some of the Zionists who claim someone is anti-Semitic if they mention even the slightest criticism of Israel. You're the exact mirror image.