Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[seafoid]

So Epstein collected dirt on just about everyone with geopolitical power and that is a significant factor in the west's collective broad stance on the Palestinian-Israeli issue?

Some dung spouted on this board and this is right at the pinnacle.

Why was Crispin Blunt accused of rape several days after suggesting Israeli war crimes should be investigated by the ICC?

On Zionist influence - why was Corbyn replaced by a candidate acceptable to Israel?

Why does the Labour MP for Wigan, one of the poorest towns in England, work for Israel and not her poorest consituenTS? 

[theskull1]

Yeah, crazy to think those who'd want to have global influence might have kompromat in their toolbox to use when necessary.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

There is no doubt that oil and other issues have encouraged a lot of interference in the region.
However, it is also the case that every place is a basket case which suppresses a lot of their own people without any help from the West.

https://twitter.com/OopsGuess/status/1719632963053457766?t=LsWxxvel9o_VuvTmxHzq6g&s=19

I cannot remember the exact percentage but isn't it something like 60% of Americans want a ceasefire and only 2% of politicians want a ceasefire.. I imagine the percentages are probably higher in european countries.

Are politicians in the west suppressing the will of the people, while Palestinians are murdered in their thousands.

[imtommygunn]

That is the way the world has become in places like the uk anyway. Politicians firmly suppress the will of the people. Look at what way they are trying to curb protests. (On this and with many other things). I doubt they are alone in doing that.

[armaghniac]

That is the way the world has become in places like the uk anyway. Politicians firmly suppress the will of the people. Look at what way they are trying to curb protests. (On this and with many other things). I doubt they are alone in doing that.

Yes, but the will of the people might well be that railway stations are not jammed up with protestors and roads are not blocked by oil loonies.

[imtommygunn]

It's a lot more than just stop oil. Politicians are getting away with robbery and being very loose with the law. Any form of protest is being outlawed.

[burdizzo]

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

There is no doubt that oil and other issues have encouraged a lot of interference in the region.
However, it is also the case that every place is a basket case which suppresses a lot of their own people without any help from the West.

https://twitter.com/OopsGuess/status/1719632963053457766?t=LsWxxvel9o_VuvTmxHzq6g&s=19

I cannot remember the exact percentage but isn't it something like 60% of Americans want a ceasefire and only 2% of politicians want a ceasefire.. I imagine the percentages are probably higher in european countries.

Are politicians in the west suppressing the will of the people, while Palestinians are murdered in their thousands.

Yeah - of course! What did you expect!? Mind you "the will of the people" is probably a bit strong. I'd imagine most people aren't as exercised as you about this, in fairness. Nevertheless, it does get people more riled up than about Syria, or Rwanda, or other conflicts where a lot more people died than are dying now. Why is that? Genuine question: why do you care so much? It's a GAA board and you've not posted anything about GAA or anything else for years, but on this there's no stopping you!

[PadraicHenryPearse]

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

There is no doubt that oil and other issues have encouraged a lot of interference in the region.
However, it is also the case that every place is a basket case which suppresses a lot of their own people without any help from the West.

https://twitter.com/OopsGuess/status/1719632963053457766?t=LsWxxvel9o_VuvTmxHzq6g&s=19

I cannot remember the exact percentage but isn't it something like 60% of Americans want a ceasefire and only 2% of politicians want a ceasefire.. I imagine the percentages are probably higher in european countries.

Are politicians in the west suppressing the will of the people, while Palestinians are murdered in their thousands.

Yeah - of course! What did you expect!? Mind you "the will of the people" is probably a bit strong. I'd imagine most people aren't as exercised as you about this, in fairness. Nevertheless, it does get people more riled up than about Syria, or Rwanda, or other conflicts where a lot more people died than are dying now. Why is that? Genuine question: why do you care so much? It's a GAA board and you've not posted anything about GAA or anything else for years, but on this there's no stopping you!

Speaking of people excerised, what's got you so riled up about me posting in a topic I've an interest in. why does it bother you so much... to be clear, I've no actual interest in your answer.

And just to correct you I've posted about last years club final, and Ukraine thread.

since you are so interested in my posts I'm surprised you don't know the answers to your other questions..

[burdizzo]

"Riled up"? What are you on about? I'm actually a little bit bored w/ this thread, but it sort of baffles me as to why people care SO much about it. Far more people died in the war Syria, for example. Was that too complicated to understand? Yeah, I know there's lots of factors involved that stir people up a bit, but - Christ! - ye do bang on a bit!

[Franko]

"Riled up"? What are you on about? I'm actually a little bit bored w/ this thread, but it sort of baffles me as to why people care SO much about it. Far more people died in the war Syria, for example. Was that too complicated to understand? Yeah, I know there's lots of factors involved that stir people up a bit, but - Christ! - ye do bang on a bit!

More people died in absolute terms

But the war lasted over a decade - this one has been going for a month

In terms of statistics, and this is a crude one, but true nonetheless

Children are dying in Gaza at a rate of over 130x per day

In the Syrian conflict, the equivalent figure was 4x per day

Do you now understand why people might be getting more exercised about it?  Or is it too complicated?

[Milltown Row2]

I don't think there should be a hierarchy in place for loss of life depending on where you are from. I don't know the figures for the first month of that war, it could be similar, also the ratio to under 18's in Gaza is far higher in such a condensed place in comparison to Syria.

I'd say that if 2 million Syrians lived in place the size of Gaza and were (are still) being bombed like the Israeli's are doing then the figures could be similar.

The point is some wars seem to have more attention on them and others people turn a blind eye or maybe pay it some lip service

The stats also crude reveals that no fewer than 230,224 civilians, including 30,007 children and 16,319 women (adult female), were killed at the hands of the parties to the conflict and controlling forces in Syria between March 2011 and March 2023

[burdizzo]

Just wonder if it's because we sort of consider Israel to be "western" and therefore hold them to western standards?

[Franko]

I don't think there should be a hierarchy in place for loss of life depending on where you are from. I don't know the figures for the first month of that war, it could be similar, also the ratio to under 18's in Gaza is far higher in such a condensed place in comparison to Syria.

I'd say that if 2 million Syrians lived in place the size of Gaza and were (are still) being bombed like the Israeli's are doing then the figures could be similar.

The point is some wars seem to have more attention on them and others people turn a blind eye or maybe pay it some lip service

The stats also crude reveals that no fewer than 230,224 civilians, including 30,007 children and 16,319 women (adult female), were killed at the hands of the parties to the conflict and controlling forces in Syria between March 2011 and March 2023

Firstly, there's an army involved, but this is not a war.

War implies an equivalence which doesn't exist

My point is that one of the main reasons that people are getting so exercised about this is the sheer scale and relentlessness of the mass murder of innocent civilians and children especially

In my experience, most people posing the question in bold are following the Israeli playbook trying to play the antisemitism card.  It's seldom a genuine question

Heaven forbid that people would get angry about carpet bombing civilians and the murder of thousands of innocent children

No, you must hate jews

[johnnycool]

Just wonder if it's because we sort of consider Israel to be "western" and therefore hold them to western standards?

Yes, it's because we perceive Israel as western due to the influx of European and American Jews that their lives are valued much higher than Palestinians, is that what you are asking?

[Milltown Row2]

In your experience? Is this from surveys or just chit chat at the pub?

The bit in bold was not a question, its natural for people to pay more attention to one thing over another, that has nothing to do with an imaginary playbook you feel people are buying.

16 million Jews worldwide, 0.2 in world population, not sure of the number of Zionists, but they have some clout about the place. As for anti-Semitism, I don't look at people based on where they are from, race, or religion, I wouldn't fall into that trap to be fair

HAMAS–the acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Islamic Resistance Movement)is the largest and most capable militant group in the Palestinian territories 

Hamas are at war with Israel, its not a fair war, its a massacre