Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Kidder81]

I don't think Joe Brolly will be getting a visit to the Whitehouse again as he's belatedly being giving it to Joe Biden on twitter. Fair play to him.

You think Joe Biden manages or sees his Twitter account ?

 

[trueblue1234]

The Butcher's Apron here with the Butcher's Apron Og

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1715163990827893147

There are no words strong enough to describe  these  warmongering hoors.

But all so predictable.

Hamas deliberately killed defenceless Israeli children.

Israel aren't deliberately picking out individual children like Hamas, but they don't care who or how many they kill, and know damn well that scores, if not hundreds, of innocent children will be amongst their victims.

Everybody knew, especially Hamas, that Israel would respond by killing a multiple of innocents that Hamas killed, and everyone knew they'd get away with it. And they're not even near finished.  Sickening.

I'd have issues with that post hound You blamed Hamas for their attack. But then indirectly blamed hamas for Israel's response. Or at least that's how it reads. The Hamas attack was not the start as abhorrent as it was. Both have deliberately killed children, to say less is giving justification that Israel is only acting in defence. They have, just as intentionally as Hamas, killed children.

I described the Israeli response as sickening. Abhorrent. Unforgivable. But also a completely predictable response to the Hamas massacre on October 7. Whatever Hamas were trying to achieve, they knew one of the results would be the deaths of at least hundreds, and probably thousands of innocent Palestinians.

I said before, the only deaths I do not condemn in this awful situation are when Israel soldiers mowed down armed Hamas killers on October 7. Everything else is unjustified but Hamas knew that would be the response.

Just as Israel knew their actions and the conditions they were forcing on Palestine prior to this was going to drive a reaction from Hamas. An action that Israel have now used to act unchecked against all Palestinians not just Hamas. The narrative can not be allowed that the terrible acts of Oct 7th caused what has happened over the last week. It goes much beyond that.

[Itchy]

The hospital has been a good (deliberate) distraction for the idiot supporters, like Itchy, of child killers & rapists Hamas

Here come the far right rascists

[Hound]

The Butcher's Apron here with the Butcher's Apron Og

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1715163990827893147

There are no words strong enough to describe  these  warmongering hoors.

But all so predictable.

Hamas deliberately killed defenceless Israeli children.

Israel aren't deliberately picking out individual children like Hamas, but they don't care who or how many they kill, and know damn well that scores, if not hundreds, of innocent children will be amongst their victims.

Everybody knew, especially Hamas, that Israel would respond by killing a multiple of innocents that Hamas killed, and everyone knew they'd get away with it. And they're not even near finished.  Sickening.

I'd have issues with that post hound You blamed Hamas for their attack. But then indirectly blamed hamas for Israel's response. Or at least that's how it reads. The Hamas attack was not the start as abhorrent as it was. Both have deliberately killed children, to say less is giving justification that Israel is only acting in defence. They have, just as intentionally as Hamas, killed children.

I described the Israeli response as sickening. Abhorrent. Unforgivable. But also a completely predictable response to the Hamas massacre on October 7. Whatever Hamas were trying to achieve, they knew one of the results would be the deaths of at least hundreds, and probably thousands of innocent Palestinians.

I said before, the only deaths I do not condemn in this awful situation are when Israel soldiers mowed down armed Hamas killers on October 7. Everything else is unjustified but Hamas knew that would be the response.

Do you accept yet in all likelihood Israel bombed that hospital??

I totally agree with C4 that there's not enough evidence to decide either way. (Unlike you, who made up your mind immediately with no evidence and ignore all the evidence on one side and jump on the evidence on the other side).

If I had to lean one way or the other I would lean towards it not being an Israeli strike. More likely a rocket and its fuel load exploding, taking out all the cars in the car park, with fire and shrapnel, killing people sheltering and little structural damage to the hospital and nearby buildings.  But  totally agree with C4 that this position is not substantiated yet.

I 100% agree with C4 that this was clearly not a normal Israeli missile, because there was insufficient damage. But while Israel have been using missiles for the vast bulk of their attacks, they do have more in their arsenal and they do have weaponry that could potentially have done this. But equally a misfiring Palestinian rocket and its fuel load could have done it. In particular the Al Jazeera video of the flash above the hospital could well be a misfiring rocket.

I give no weight to the voice recordings or any tweets. Neither relevant to the actual evidence. The C4 footage of the head of the hospital saying there was no warning of the attack means I do not believe the comments that some say Israel said they were going to bomb this hospital. I've seen stuff arguing both ways re the trajectory of the weapon, but nobody has anything convincing on this yet imo.

The death toll is another bit of a mystery. C4 casts doubt on the 400-500 mentioned by Hamas, and Hamas are known to exaggerate in similar circumstances. But we do know there were approx 3,000 sheltering in or around the hospital so maybe there were a huge amount in the car park and ground level of the hospital where the fires and flying shrapnel could have killed so many.

[Snapchap]

The Butcher's Apron here with the Butcher's Apron Og

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1715163990827893147

There are no words strong enough to describe  these  warmongering hoors.

But all so predictable.

Hamas deliberately killed defenceless Israeli children.

Israel aren't deliberately picking out individual children like Hamas, but they don't care who or how many they kill, and know damn well that scores, if not hundreds, of innocent children will be amongst their victims.

Everybody knew, especially Hamas, that Israel would respond by killing a multiple of innocents that Hamas killed, and everyone knew they'd get away with it. And they're not even near finished.  Sickening.

I'd have issues with that post hound You blamed Hamas for their attack. But then indirectly blamed hamas for Israel's response. Or at least that's how it reads. The Hamas attack was not the start as abhorrent as it was. Both have deliberately killed children, to say less is giving justification that Israel is only acting in defence. They have, just as intentionally as Hamas, killed children.

I described the Israeli response as sickening. Abhorrent. Unforgivable. But also a completely predictable response to the Hamas massacre on October 7. Whatever Hamas were trying to achieve, they knew one of the results would be the deaths of at least hundreds, and probably thousands of innocent Palestinians.

I said before, the only deaths I do not condemn in this awful situation are when Israel soldiers mowed down armed Hamas killers on October 7. Everything else is unjustified but Hamas knew that would be the response.

Just as Israel knew their actions and the conditions they were forcing on Palestine prior to this was going to drive a reaction from Hamas. An action that Israel have now used to act unchecked against all Palestinians not just Hamas. The narrative can not be allowed that the terrible acts of Oct 7th caused what has happened over the last week. It goes much beyond that.

Now, now. Let's not go around claiming that the Middle-East conflict goes back any further than Oct 7th, when an armed Palestinian group attacked peace loving Israel, out of the blue, for absolutely no reason at all that I can think of.

[Milltown Row2]

I don't think Joe Brolly will be getting a visit to the Whitehouse again as he's belatedly being giving it to Joe Biden on twitter. Fair play to him.

Ah but ah but what about his third cousin removed in law?

Could you rewrite that in English or any other common language.

Do you want it in Kings English or Irish?

You're the Wally that brought his cousin in law    into this and berated him for it..

[Snapchap]

I totally agree with C4 that there's not enough evidence to decide either way. (Unlike you, who made up your mind immediately with no evidence and ignore all the evidence on one side and jump on the evidence on the other side).

What's the difference? You made up your mind based on one Israeli press conference.

Do you agree with Channel 4 that the version of events/evidence presented by Israel during that press conference looks likely to have been misleading and potentially falsified/fabricated? Do you still believe that they were being "open and transparent" about the attack in the press conference, which is what you immediately claimed after you watched it?

[AustinPowers]

The thing I keep coming back to time and time again in this is the 'failure' of Israeli intelligence.

We are some how supposed to believe that they can tell that Hamas are hiding in these bunkers and basements in densely populated areas, but yet they had no idea the initial attack was coming.

It took the IDF seven hours to respond to the Hamas attack, something doesn't smell right about that.

Neytanyahu is now Mr popular in Israel now but prior to the attack was facing a rebellion for his stance on the Israeli judiciary.

Nothing like a war to  rescue a political career, eh?

Sure didn't  the Falklands war bring the old Bastid Thatcher back from the  brink?

[marty34]

The Butcher's Apron here with the Butcher's Apron Og

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1715163990827893147

There are no words strong enough to describe  these  warmongering hoors.

But all so predictable.

Hamas deliberately killed defenceless Israeli children.

Israel aren't deliberately picking out individual children like Hamas, but they don't care who or how many they kill, and know damn well that scores, if not hundreds, of innocent children will be amongst their victims.

Everybody knew, especially Hamas, that Israel would respond by killing a multiple of innocents that Hamas killed, and everyone knew they'd get away with it. And they're not even near finished.  Sickening.

I'd have issues with that post hound You blamed Hamas for their attack. But then indirectly blamed hamas for Israel's response. Or at least that's how it reads. The Hamas attack was not the start as abhorrent as it was. Both have deliberately killed children, to say less is giving justification that Israel is only acting in defence. They have, just as intentionally as Hamas, killed children.

I described the Israeli response as sickening. Abhorrent. Unforgivable. But also a completely predictable response to the Hamas massacre on October 7. Whatever Hamas were trying to achieve, they knew one of the results would be the deaths of at least hundreds, and probably thousands of innocent Palestinians.

I said before, the only deaths I do not condemn in this awful situation are when Israel soldiers mowed down armed Hamas killers on October 7. Everything else is unjustified but Hamas knew that would be the response.

This conflict only started last week.  Didn't know that - news to me.

[tonto1888]

The Butcher's Apron here with the Butcher's Apron Og

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1715163990827893147

There are no words strong enough to describe  these  warmongering hoors.

But all so predictable.

Hamas deliberately killed defenceless Israeli children.

Israel aren't deliberately picking out individual children like Hamas, but they don't care who or how many they kill, and know damn well that scores, if not hundreds, of innocent children will be amongst their victims.

Everybody knew, especially Hamas, that Israel would respond by killing a multiple of innocents that Hamas killed, and everyone knew they'd get away with it. And they're not even near finished.  Sickening.

I'd have issues with that post hound You blamed Hamas for their attack. But then indirectly blamed hamas for Israel's response. Or at least that's how it reads. The Hamas attack was not the start as abhorrent as it was. Both have deliberately killed children, to say less is giving justification that Israel is only acting in defence. They have, just as intentionally as Hamas, killed children.

I described the Israeli response as sickening. Abhorrent. Unforgivable. But also a completely predictable response to the Hamas massacre on October 7. Whatever Hamas were trying to achieve, they knew one of the results would be the deaths of at least hundreds, and probably thousands of innocent Palestinians.

I said before, the only deaths I do not condemn in this awful situation are when Israel soldiers mowed down armed Hamas killers on October 7. Everything else is unjustified but Hamas knew that would be the response.

Just as Israel knew their actions and the conditions they were forcing on Palestine prior to this was going to drive a reaction from Hamas. An action that Israel have now used to act unchecked against all Palestinians not just Hamas. The narrative can not be allowed that the terrible acts of Oct 7th caused what has happened over the last week. It goes much beyond that.

This cannot be stated enough

[J70]

The thing I keep coming back to time and time again in this is the 'failure' of Israeli intelligence.

We are some how supposed to believe that they can tell that Hamas are hiding in these bunkers and basements in densely populated areas, but yet they had no idea the initial attack was coming.

It took the IDF seven hours to respond to the Hamas attack, something doesn't smell right about that.

Neytanyahu is now Mr popular in Israel now but prior to the attack was facing a rebellion for his stance on the Israeli judiciary.

Is he now popular?

If he is, it'll be temporary as sooner or later there will be a reckoning on how he, Mr. Security/f**k the Palestinians/More "Settlements", allowed this to happen under his nose.

[seafoid]

The thing I keep coming back to time and time again in this is the 'failure' of Israeli intelligence.

We are some how supposed to believe that they can tell that Hamas are hiding in these bunkers and basements in densely populated areas, but yet they had no idea the initial attack was coming.

It took the IDF seven hours to respond to the Hamas attack, something doesn't smell right about that.

Neytanyahu is now Mr popular in Israel now but prior to the attack was facing a rebellion for his stance on the Israeli judiciary.

Netanyahu told Israelis that there was a technical solution to the Palestinian problem.
Mossad etc are overrated. The Israeli army is a colonial police force. The vast majority of soldiers are under 21 next year . They were very complacent.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-us-middle-east-policy-wheels-coming-off-cart
"If Israel goes into Gaza now, it will blow up the Abraham Accords, further destabilize two of America's most important allies (Egypt and Jordan), and make normalization with Saudi Arabia impossible - huge strategic setbacks. It will also enable Hamas to really fire up the West Bank and get a shepherd's war going there between Jewish settlers and Palestinians. Altogether, it will play directly into Iran's strategy of sucking Israel into imperial overstretch and in that way weakening the Jewish democracy from within."

There is an argument circulating in Washington that the nature, speed, and extent of the Hamas attack changed the US-based Middle East system. James Jeffrey, a former US ambassador in the region, told Middle East Eye: "Hamas' ability to overcome an entire Israeli military defence line puts this war at the level of Yom Kippur (the 1973 Middle East war). No recent war has threatened the US-based Middle East system so much as this, and that is how the administration views it."

[armaghniac]

Netanyahu told Israelis that there was a technical solution to the Palestinian problem.
Mossad etc are overrated. The Israeli army is a colonial police force. The vast majority of soldiers are under 21 next year . They were very complacent.

Apparently, several hundred troops in the vicinity of Gaza had been recently moved to the West Bank where the settlers were stirring up trouble. No doubt the person who made that decision will be blamed, but of course it is Netanyahu who created the problem.

[Itchy]

I totally agree with C4 that there's not enough evidence to decide either way. (Unlike you, who made up your mind immediately with no evidence and ignore all the evidence on one side and jump on the evidence on the other side).

What's the difference? You made up your mind based on one Israeli press conference.

Do you agree with Channel 4 that the version of events/evidence presented by Israel during that press conference looks likely to have been misleading and potentially falsified/fabricated? Do you still believe that they were being "open and transparent" about the attack in the press conference, which is what you immediately claimed after you watched it?

Channel 4 say the audio was doctored and this idiot thinks on balance it's a hamas rocket. An idiot is the only word I can think of. Hound and Miltown haven't one brain between the 2 of them.

[Milltown Row2]

I totally agree with C4 that there's not enough evidence to decide either way. (Unlike you, who made up your mind immediately with no evidence and ignore all the evidence on one side and jump on the evidence on the other side).

What's the difference? You made up your mind based on one Israeli press conference.

Do you agree with Channel 4 that the version of events/evidence presented by Israel during that press conference looks likely to have been misleading and potentially falsified/fabricated? Do you still believe that they were being "open and transparent" about the attack in the press conference, which is what you immediately claimed after you watched it?

Channel 4 say the audio was doctored and this idiot thinks on balance it's a hamas rocket. An idiot is the only word I can think of. Hound and Miltown haven't one brain between the 2 of them.

Aye! Not one brain.. so post up where I said it wasn't a rocket from Israel.. Wally