Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[theskull1]

Interesting conversation here on twitter between 2 level headed people (both jews) discussing this tragedy. Well worth a listen.

The Israel Attacks: Beyond the Obvious with @efenigson

The Israel Attacks: Beyond the Obvious

[tbrick18]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

100% agree with this.
Isreal is a terrorist state and perform terrorist acts daily against the Palestinian people who are held in an open Ghetto in Gaza in particular.

[Milltown Row2]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

Would you side with the Tailban

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Interesting conversation here on twitter between 2 level headed people (both jews) discussing this tragedy. Well worth a listen.

The Israel Attacks: Beyond the Obvious with @efenigson

The Israel Attacks: Beyond the Obvious

before I listen, is she ex israeli intelligent and is she saying this couldn't happen unless Israel let it happen (conspiracy so to speak but you could choose another word to describe it) Are these level headed comments, We, of course, still know very little about how and why this crisis happened and If Hamas is guilty of unspeakable barbarism that justifies their destruction--and it clearly is

[PadraicHenryPearse]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

Would you side with the Tailban

what have the Taliban got to do with anything?

[Rudi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzP4_7_6z2k&pp=ygUZaXNyYWVsIGhhbWFzIHBpZXJzIG1vcmdhbg%3D%3D

Comments from a Palestinian doctor, involved previously with peace talks. One day he believes Netanyahu & cabinet members will stand trial for war crimes. I hope he's right.
MSM particularly in the US very selective & biased in their coverage of events in Israel / Palestine. Loads of false propaganda from the state of Israel on the internet at the moment.

Von der Leyen, always despised her, showing her true nature, she been from a colonial power & all that. Speaking on behalf on Europe, "we stand with Israel" When I lived in the states I would never allow anyone to describe me as european, feel even more justified now.

[JoG2]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

100% agree with this.
Isreal is a terrorist state and perform terrorist acts daily against the Palestinian people who are held in an open Ghetto in Gaza in particular.

100%

[trailer]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

It isn't that simple though. What is your solution to all this?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

It isn't that simple though. What is your solution to all this?

Simple is standing with the people who are caged and oppressed and occupied.

I never said there was a simple solution but a start would be to end indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, let humanitarian aid into Gaza, turn back on the water and power, hand control back to Palestinians, end the occupation, the blockade of Gaza, hold Israel accountable for its crime of occupation and apartheid and mass murders it had committed for 75 years, returned to 1967 borders at least, and the then deal with the issues of the right if return of refugees from the nakba and since then

[trailer]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

It isn't that simple though. What is your solution to all this?

Simple is standing with the people who are caged and oppressed and occupied.

I never said there was a simple solution but a start would be to end indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, let humanitarian aid into Gaza, turn back on the water and power, hand control back to Palestinians, end the occupation, the blockade of Gaza, hold Israel accountable for its crime of occupation and apartheid and mass murders it had committed for 75 years, returned to 1967 borders at least, and the then deal with the issues of the right if return of refugees from the nakba and since then

You can't hold Israel to account and not Hamas. Everyone must take responsibility for their actions. I agreed entirely with you in regards to Gaza, aid, water, the bombing, everything, but Hamas must do likewise and stop their rocket attacks, and the indiscriminate murder of Jews.
I think both groups are utterly deplorable at this point. I wouldn't support either groups actions.

[Milltown Row2]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

Would you side with the Tailban

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Just on the babies thing, the only source is an Israeli reporter who cited "soldiers" as he source.The IDF has refused to confirm this.

The IDF has refused to confirm this so far.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1711774401463550026

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Trailer if you cannot make coherent and accurate statements, bow out and shut up.

Jews don't all support Israel and Israel doesn't represent all Jews. the resistence is against the occupiers, Israel. The murder of Jews is a narrative used to align palestinian resistence with Nazis who carried out the Holocaust.

Hamas was financially supported and encouraged by Israel to split the Palestinians when it started in the 80s, so not only is the 75 years of massacres and occupation responsible for where we are now, Israel is again directly responsible for the creation of Hamas. 

both siding the argument is only required if you support the rights of Palestinians to resist their occupier, look at the World leaders statements over the last few days, there is no both siding they are unequivocally standing with the occupier.

the caging of 2.2m civilians is not enough for 16 years with frequent slaughters, now they cut water, electric (more than normal), hospitals in Gaza are overwhelmed and now don't even have fuel.

Israel is responsible.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

here the head of the EU is doing some justification for murdering Palestinians

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712026324724773083?t=iZqIhVjGoUF5dYSXLRUpLg&s=19

It is perfectly rational to state the Israel should defend itself, while still having reservations about the manner of the actions that they take.
One characteristic of this issue is people backing either side unconditionally, when all we have is shades of grey.

total and utter bullshit... there is no reversations in the statement about the 'manner' of response, there is no comment on the 75 years of oppression, no comment on the 260 dead children on Gaza, no comment on Palestinian right to defend themselves, no mention of turning off financial support to Israel who acts like terrorists.

side with the occupier or the those occupied.. it is very simple.

Would you side with the Tailban

I still don't understand why bring Taliban into a conversation about Israel and Palestine.  If you have a point to make come out and make it.

I think we all know given the support Ukraine receives that all occupations and those occupied aren't treated equally.

[Milltown Row2]

My point is that, you said it was simple....

So the Tailban were fighting the occupiers are you siding with the Tailban?