A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Milltown Row2]

Someones getting worried😄

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213094.html

'In Northern Ireland, 47% still want to remain in the UK, with 42% in favour of a United Ireland and a significant proportion – 11% – undecided.'

The undecideds will sway it.  Always wondered how many of a catholic background in the north would vote to remain part of the union.  Looks to be quite a few still. With the Civil Service being a major employer in the north, I assume this would be a factor for anyone employed by UK government when it comes to the unification. Anyone here in the civil service who would share their viewpoint?

But surely these jobs would transfer to a similar service within a UI or does the south not have a civil service?

There'll be hand over periods and job security written into these agreements if it were to happen, pensions would be secured also I'd assume, otherwise you'll get people hanging back

[screenexile]

Someones getting worried😄

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213094.html

'In Northern Ireland, 47% still want to remain in the UK, with 42% in favour of a United Ireland and a significant proportion – 11% – undecided.'

The undecideds will sway it.  Always wondered how many of a catholic background in the north would vote to remain part of the union.  Looks to be quite a few still. With the Civil Service being a major employer in the north, I assume this would be a factor for anyone employed by UK government when it comes to the unification. Anyone here in the civil service who would share their viewpoint?

But surely these jobs would transfer to a similar service within a UI or does the south not have a civil service?

There'll be hand over periods and job security written into these agreements if it were to happen, pensions would be secured also I'd assume, otherwise you'll get people hanging back

The south have a massively inflated Civil Service as well and there would need to be a streamlining should a UI happen.

Will 5 years be enough time to call a referendum and guarantee a result for a UI? I'm not so sure. You would think that Sinn Fein will get in next time there's a General Election down south and depending on how that goes will go a long way to making the case for or against!!

[Rossfan]

Someones getting worried😄

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40213094.html

'In Northern Ireland, 47% still want to remain in the UK, with 42% in favour of a United Ireland and a significant proportion – 11% – undecided.'

The undecideds will sway it.  Always wondered how many of a catholic background in the north would vote to remain part of the union.  Looks to be quite a few still. With the Civil Service being a major employer in the north, I assume this would be a factor for anyone employed by UK government when it comes to the unification. Anyone here in the civil service who would share their viewpoint?

But surely these jobs would transfer to a similar service within a UI or does the south not have a civil service?

There'll be hand over periods and job security written into these agreements if it were to happen, pensions would be secured also I'd assume, otherwise you'll get people hanging back

The south have a massively inflated Civil Service

Totally untrue
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_sector_size

[screenexile]

Fair enough happy to be corrected... it was when I lived there which was just before decentralisation but it seems to be fairly under control now.

Can't imagine they would be able to fit in the North's 25,000 employees. What way are the Civil Service structured in NI? Do they take on a lot of mainland UK work because of the lower cost of labour?

[Rossfan]

What happened when Czechoslovakia separated?
I presume there were detailed arrangements about all sorts of things like pensions, public service employees, public debt etc.

[trailer]

Fair enough happy to be corrected... it was when I lived there which was just before decentralisation but it seems to be fairly under control now.

Can't imagine they would be able to fit in the North's 25,000 employees. What way are the Civil Service structured in NI? Do they take on a lot of mainland UK work because of the lower cost of labour?

Certainly hope so. NICS is an absolute disgrace and making at least half of it redundant would do wonders for the ppl of the North.
I don't think they do any GB work. In fact a lot of the work they do is so substandard it takes years to right it.

[clonadmad]

🚨POLL🚨

@LucidTalk (Northern Ireland)

Support for a United Ireland:

No: 53%
Yes: 47%

(Excludes DK's at 11%)

Sample - 2,392
January 15-18th, 2021



Its getting closer...

Anybody hazzard a guess when a border poll will take place?

10, 20 or 30 years?

We'll need another year or two to see the outworkings or Brexit.

As an aside, I wonder will there be a census this year - are they not usually every 10 years.  If so, the results of that will be interesting.

Although in fairness, there'll be a lot of lads on here ticking the...mmmm...northern irish box.

It has no chance when you have parties like FFG who were willing to turn a blind eye to British state atrocities on this island as long as they could cling to their power and an elite ruling class in their state.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

Lol, how can you call  Republic a failed state, might be many things but that's not one

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Good to see we have one strong unionist who will vote No to a United Ireland

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

We have virtually no economy north of the border, totally lopsided east of the Bann, and propped up massively and very disproportionately by public sector

[Rossfan]

And the 2 main Parties appear to want to keep it that way so as 1 can say Partition is a failure and we need a UI while the other can say we get £10Bn a year from the UK so we need to stay in it.
Hopefully the Commercial and Business sectors can see and make use of the unique situation the North is now in with a foot in Brexit GB and a foot in the EU.

[weareros]

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Well hopefully you won't be in charge of the yes vote Angelo or you'll have an overwhelming majority voting for the status quo. Just like DUP are vote getters for a United Ireland, those who like to talk down Irish state are vote getters for the Union. Like it or not - the state of Irish economy, the standard of living, the progressiveness of society will have a major impact on how the growing undecideds vote. Fortunately we can say Ireland is number 2 in the world for quality of life, despite what you say, it is one of least corrupt countries in world according to transparency index, it is one of the few economies in Western World that will grow in 2021 despite pandemic, and funny enough despite us being a so called tax haven for Big Tech, we still bring in way more corporation tax per population than for example Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. You can thank Ruari Quinn for that and lots of other politicians have done very good things including Fianna Fáil and Haughey when they had foresight to set up IFSC in 1987. It means young people in North can look to Dublin government and IDA as one capable of generating high quality career opportunities, something that cannot  be said about leaders in London or Belfast. Yes it will be a new country with new constitution, anthem, flag but economy wise it will have more of the South's way of doing things, more IDA than the NI version that gave the big lump of money to that crazy church.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Well hopefully you won't be in charge of the yes vote Angelo or you'll have an overwhelming majority voting for the status quo. Just like DUP are vote getters for a United Ireland, those who like to talk down Irish state are vote getters for the Union. Like it or not - the state of Irish economy, the standard of living, the progressiveness of society will have a major impact on how the growing undecideds vote. Fortunately we can say Ireland is number 2 in the world for quality of life, despite what you say, it is one of least corrupt countries in world according to transparency index, it is one of the few economies in Western World that will grow in 2021 despite pandemic, and funny enough despite us being a so called tax haven for Big Tech, we still bring in way more corporation tax per population than for example Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. You can thank Ruari Quinn for that and lots of other politicians have done very good things including Fianna Fáil and Haughey when they had foresight to set up IFSC in 1987. It means young people in North can look to Dublin government and IDA as one capable of generating high quality career opportunities, something that cannot  be said about leaders in London or Belfast. Yes it will be a new country with new constitution, anthem, flag but economy wise it will have more of the South's way of doing things, more IDA than the NI version that gave the big lump of money to that crazy church.

Ignore him lad, he has a shinner agenda cloaked in moaning, begruderey and disinguinity. Facts are facts , Irish republic has come on leaps and bounds while we regress year on year under DUP/SF rule

[Angelo]

🚨POLL🚨

@LucidTalk (Northern Ireland)

Support for a United Ireland:

No: 53%
Yes: 47%

(Excludes DK's at 11%)

Sample - 2,392
January 15-18th, 2021



Its getting closer...

Anybody hazzard a guess when a border poll will take place?

10, 20 or 30 years?

We'll need another year or two to see the outworkings or Brexit.

As an aside, I wonder will there be a census this year - are they not usually every 10 years.  If so, the results of that will be interesting.

Although in fairness, there'll be a lot of lads on here ticking the...mmmm...northern irish box.

It has no chance when you have parties like FFG who were willing to turn a blind eye to British state atrocities on this island as long as they could cling to their power and an elite ruling class in their state.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

Lol, how can you call  Republic a failed state, might be many things but that's not one

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Good to see we have one strong unionist who will vote No to a United Ireland

I will be voting yes to reunification.

Reunification frightens you and your rotten state.

[Snapchap]

Ignore him lad, he has a shinner agenda cloaked in moaning, begruderey and disinguinity. Facts are facts , Irish republic has come on leaps and bounds while we regress year on year under DUP/SF rule

So people with an agenda with regards to SF should be ignored? Who'll ever talk to you if that's the case?

[Angelo]

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Well hopefully you won't be in charge of the yes vote Angelo or you'll have an overwhelming majority voting for the status quo. Just like DUP are vote getters for a United Ireland, those who like to talk down Irish state are vote getters for the Union. Like it or not - the state of Irish economy, the standard of living, the progressiveness of society will have a major impact on how the growing undecideds vote. Fortunately we can say Ireland is number 2 in the world for quality of life, despite what you say, it is one of least corrupt countries in world according to transparency index, it is one of the few economies in Western World that will grow in 2021 despite pandemic, and funny enough despite us being a so called tax haven for Big Tech, we still bring in way more corporation tax per population than for example Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. You can thank Ruari Quinn for that and lots of other politicians have done very good things including Fianna Fáil and Haughey when they had foresight to set up IFSC in 1987. It means young people in North can look to Dublin government and IDA as one capable of generating high quality career opportunities, something that cannot  be said about leaders in London or Belfast. Yes it will be a new country with new constitution, anthem, flag but economy wise it will have more of the South's way of doing things, more IDA than the NI version that gave the big lump of money to that crazy church.

So you disagree you have homeless crisis?

You reject the assertion that you have a two tier health system, where people are priced out of healthcare because of how much they earn and afford to pay?

You reject the corruption labels? Haughey, Bertie, Lowry, Lawlor, Michael Martin, Burke, Flynn etc etc? The tribunals, the cosy relationships with bakers, billionaires and property developers?

This is the sort of deluded, entitled attitude that you free staters have. We aren't voting for the north to go down and join the southern establishment. We are voting for a new Ireland, the end of partition, the end of two rotten states.

Unionist bigotry and southern greed and corruption will hopefully become a thing of the past. That bit seems to worry the likes of you, FF, FG, RTE, Denis O'Brien, Larry Goodman etc.

In your post you are praising Haughey, a gangster who told people to tighten their belts as we was having million pound personal loans written off by his friends in high places. That just sums up the free state, an elitist ruling class who have managed to make society a two tier states, the have and have nots. You have foisted huge national debt on the generations to come, your youth cannot even afford to buy a home anymore, homelessness levels are through the roof, the health service is a disgrace and unless you can afford private healthcare you might as well forget about it.

Clearly you are the type of conscienceless chap who votes FFG from the shire of Roscommon.

[Rossfan]

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/colum-eastwood-seamus-mallon-s-offer-is-still-on-the-table-if-unionism-is-interested-1.4466646?mode=amp