I'm not taking about the All Stars.
The legends.
The 'go-to' guys.
I'm talking about the fringe players.
The lads who were 'in-and-around' your more successful teams but were probably never that highly-rated within their own county (relative to the superstars at least).
Or the lads that were considered solid and dependable and could play in a few different positions (and possibly suffered as a result by sacrificing their own game).
From 1999 onwards for us, that would be lads like Ray Magee, Daithi Regan, Donal Curtis, Nigel Crawford, Hank Traynor, Nigel Nestor etc.
1. Francie Bellew
2. Francie Bellew
3. Francie Bellew
4. Francie Bellew
5. Francie Bellew
6. Francie Bellew
7. Francie Bellew
8. Francie Bellew
9. Francie Bellew
10. Francie Bellew
11. Francie Bellew
12. Francie Bellew
13. Francie Bellew
14. Francie Bellew
15. Francie Bellew
Not sure if an entire team of Francie Bellews would have the mobility required for the modern game. :D
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Not sure if an entire team of Francie Bellews would have the mobility required for the modern game. :D
And the other team wouldn't either...
Andrew McCann
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Not sure if an entire team of Francie Bellews would have the mobility required for the modern game. :D
And the other team wouldn't either...
:D :D
Non All-Stars.....
Trevor Mort.
Kevin Cahill.
Martin Carney.
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Non All-Stars.....
Trevor Mort.
Kevin Cahill.
Martin Carney.
Brilliant footballer and brilliant attitude
Paddy McGuinness from Devenish.
Most underrated full back we ever had.
35 of the 1997 to 2014 Kerry players won all-stars so there's hardly anyone left to pick from. Liam O'Flahery is probably the best of the Kerry non-All Stars.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 10, 2016, 04:15:13 PM
35 of the 1997 to 2014 Kerry players won all-stars so there's hardly anyone left to pick from. Liam O'Flahery is probably the best of the Kerry non-All Stars.
Yerra you used 58 players in the last 10 years alone, so there were some useless ones who didn't get All-Stars.
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Quote from: Jinxy on June 10, 2016, 02:21:13 PM
Not sure if an entire team of Francie Bellews would have the mobility required for the modern game. :D
You can be sure they wouldn't. A team of Pat Spillane's grannies would run them off the pitch.
Aidan Connolly
Damien O'Reilly
Peter Reilly
Dessie Brady
Massive talent there but unfortunately some of their careers were a bit too short.
I think Cillian Sheridan would have been a massive player for us if he hadn't made it in soccer.
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Aidan Connolly
Damien O'Reilly
Peter Reilly
Dessie Brady
Massive talent there but unfortunately some of their careers were a bit too short.
I think Cillian Sheridan would have been a massive player for us if he hadn't made it in soccer.
I forgot to stick Ger Pierson in there too
Forget about his all-stars, About 5 clones of Anthony Tohill, to play in 2 midfield slots, fullback, full forward and wing forward might make derry half decent again
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Andrew McCann
Good shout, a very under rated player.
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Andrew McCann
Good shout, a very under rated player.
I was thinking of Andrew McCann, not one of the "names" of the Armagh team, but did a mountain of work and would be very helpful.
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Aidan Connolly
Damien O'Reilly
Peter Reilly
Dessie Brady
Massive talent there but unfortunately some of their careers were a bit too short.
I think Cillian Sheridan would have been a massive player for us if he hadn't made it in soccer.
Peter Reilly was pretty highly rated though, was he not?
I always thought he was the main man (or one of the main men) for Cavan in that era.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 10, 2016, 07:58:01 PM
Forget about his all-stars, About 5 clones of Anthony Tohill, to play in 2 midfield slots, fullback, full forward and wing forward might make derry half decent again
What a player
I was driving through Swatragh yesterday thinking how he put them on the map all on his own
He was an absolute force of nature....winning all ireland in 92....catching a ball a foot over the bar to deny us in 2000....lording the skies
Best player I've ever seen
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Aidan Connolly
Damien O'Reilly
Peter Reilly
Dessie Brady
Massive talent there but unfortunately some of their careers were a bit too short.
I think Cillian Sheridan would have been a massive player for us if he hadn't made it in soccer.
Peter Reilly was pretty highly rated though, was he not?
I always thought he was the main man (or one of the main men) for Cavan in that era.
Yeah he was alright but he had a lot of injury problems and I would say he never fulfilled his potential. Had everything really
I'm talking more about lads who would not have been seen as 'naturally talented'.
The unsung heroes.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 10, 2016, 11:57:53 PM
I'm talking more about lads who would not have been seen as 'naturally talented'.
The unsung heroes.
Fair enough but I would have thought Regan, Nestor, Crawford and Traynor would have been prominent enough for ye at some stage in their careers. They were certainly well known and respected outside Meath
Michael Moyles
Alan Roche
David Nestor
Harry McClure. Paul Donnelly. Francie Burke, John Owens
Alan Molloy. Mr Reliable
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Michael Moyles
Alan Roche
David Nestor
Nestor... You serious?
Colm McMenamon never shot the lights out, but he had a serious engine.
Ciaran Gourley.
agree, colm mcmenamon had a serious engine, got serious possession in games, but god help him, had the feet of a horse. Huge athlete though.
John Toal
Sos Dowling, Ken Doyle and Paddy Murray.
Mattie McCabe
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Michael Moyles
Alan Roche
David Nestor
Nestor... You serious?
Colm McMenamon never shot the lights out, but he had a serious engine.
Ya, come to think of it, strike Nestor from that list. Became a peripheral player under Holmes and was useful off the bench for a score when things were tight. But he was a regular under Maughan.
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Sos Dowling, Ken Doyle and Paddy Murray.
Padraig Brennan maybe?
Always rated him but I dunno what Kildare folk thought of him.
Actually, a feature of a lot of these types is they tend to be more highly rated outside the county.
Brennan was talented but lacked aggression (maybe a kind way of saying he was slightly on the cowardly side).
Murray probably shouldn't count as he was Kildare's star player for a couple of years before injuries ruined him.
Ken Doyle is a great shout, could do a job anywhere. We could also do with another Brian Flanagan as we generally struggle to win dirty breaking balls.
Andrew McLoughlin was our go to man marker for years, took serious abuse from a large number of "supporters" but since he has left the defence has got a lot worse.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 11, 2016, 05:24:58 PM
Brennan was talented but lacked aggression (maybe a kind way of saying he was slightly on the cowardly side).
Murray probably shouldn't count as he was Kildare's star player for a couple of years before injuries ruined him.
Ken Doyle is a great shout, could do a job anywhere. We could also do with another Brian Flanagan as we generally struggle to win dirty breaking balls.
Andrew McLoughlin was our go to man marker for years, took serious abuse from a large number of "supporters" but since he has left the defence has got a lot worse.
He was only beginning to establish himself when he got injured. I still don't know how we took him off against Roscommon in 03 when he was playing great stuff. Remained one of the best club players in Kildare post his county career. He could have been a big player in those years between 09-11 when we never had a reliable left footed free taker.
Ray McCarron
Bernie Murray
Mick O'Dowd
Peter Duffy
Duffy and McCarron be seen was 2 very good high profile monaghan forwards at the time
Tierney,E Mc Nulty,F Bellew,J Mc Nulty,A O'Rourke,K Mc Geeney,A Mc Cann,P Mc Grane,J Toal,P mc Keever,J Mc Entee,O Mc Conville,S Mc Donnell,R Clarke,D Marsden.
G Tony whats wrong you dont seem to need Jamie Clarke in that list lol
None of those players would have deserted the team
Declan Meehan and Niall Finnegan
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 11, 2016, 05:24:58 PM
Brennan was talented but lacked aggression (maybe a kind way of saying he was slightly on the cowardly side).
Murray probably shouldn't count as he was Kildare's star player for a couple of years before injuries ruined him.
Ken Doyle is a great shout, could do a job anywhere. We could also do with another Brian Flanagan as we generally struggle to win dirty breaking balls.
Andrew McLoughlin was our go to man marker for years, took serious abuse from a large number of "supporters" but since he has left the defence has got a lot worse.
Ken Doyle a great shout, not sure if he counts but I'd love a Declan Kerrigan playing for Kildare now.
Greg Blaney
Scaldy and Baldy
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Greg Blaney
Again, we're not talking about the Greg Blaneys of this world.
It goes without saying you'd still want to have him available.
Would Gary Mason be a good shout from that era?
Peter Domican and Steven Ormsny
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Peter Domican and Steven Ormsny
Big Seamie. When he was off the burgers of course.
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He'd have bulled through Aidan O'Shea for a shortcut. Actually Seamie would have bulled his way through anyone wearing a Mayo or Galway jersey.
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Peter Domican and Steven Ormsny
Big Seamie. When he was off the burgers of course.
When was that?
The mornin' of a Championship match. You have to draw a line somewhere.
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Peter Domican and Steven Ormsny
Big Seamie. When he was off the burgers of course.
When was that?
He was on the steaks back in 2001 when he left the best team in the west since the 60s sobbing in his wake in the rains of Tuam.
Our lads are too nice these days. Cake, Francie Grehan, Seamie, Nidge Dineen and Frankie Dolan were some quare articles. Mayo and Galway players would probably have sooner met some Kinihans down a dark alley than those lads. The lads today could do with a few of that sort.
Quote from: Syferus on June 14, 2016, 10:42:25 PM
. Cake, Francie Grehan, Seamie, Nidge Dineen and Frankie Dolan were some quare articles. Mayo and Galway players would probably have sooner met some Kinihans down a dark alley than those lads. The lads today could do with a few of that sort.
The Tan gave thema quick shift.
Apart from Cake the others wouldn't last 5 minutes in today's game with their Monday Club craic.
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Quote from: Syferus on June 14, 2016, 10:42:25 PM
. Cake, Francie Grehan, Seamie, Nidge Dineen and Frankie Dolan were some quare articles. Mayo and Galway players would probably have sooner met some Kinihans down a dark alley than those lads. The lads today could do with a few of that sort.
The Tan gave thema quick shift.
Apart from Cake the others wouldn't last 5 minutes in today's game with their Monday Club craic.
Would growing up in the underage system we have now not tempered their exesses? Timing is everything in sport.
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Peter Domican and Steven Ormsny
Big Seamie. When he was off the burgers of course.
When was that?
He was on the steaks back in 2001 when he left the best team in the west since the 60s sobbing in his wake in the rains of Tuam.
Our lads are too nice these days. Cake, Francie Grehan, Seamie, Nidge Dineen and Frankie Dolan were some quare articles. Mayo and Galway players would probably have sooner met some Kinihans down a dark alley than those lads. The lads today could do with a few of that sort.
"you always need a few tinkers"
'Sure haven't we got you, Sylvie"
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Peter Domican and Steven Ormsny
Big Seamie. When he was off the burgers of course.
When was that?
He was on the steaks back in 2001 when he left the best team in the west since the 60s sobbing in his wake in the rains of Tuam.
Our lads are too nice these days. Cake, Francie Grehan, Seamie, Nidge Dineen and Frankie Dolan were some quare articles. Mayo and Galway players would probably have sooner met some Kinihans down a dark alley than those lads. The lads today could do with a few of that sort.
"you always need a few tinkers"
'Sure haven't we got you, Sylvie"
Great quote...we all had them. Some that spring to mind..we had Higgins who put manners on Brolly in Celtic Park in 94...Ricey for Tyrone...McKeever for Armagh...Galvin for Kerry...Ciaran Duff, The Doc and a few others for the Dubs.
I opened this thread to nominate Ken Doyle only to see three other Lilies had already done it! Vastly under-rated, better and more consistent than the more-heralded Brian Lacey for us.
Willie McCreery?
James and Clocker Grennan. A fearsome midfield or midfield/centre forward duo.
Yeah, James Grennan used to give John Mc a lot of bother.
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Greg Blaney
Again, we're not talking about the Greg Blaneys of this world.
It goes without saying you'd still want to have him available.
Would Gary Mason be a good shout from that era?
I would be biased coming from the same club, but I don't think Gary Mason would be a fringe player. He has two medals from 91 and 94 playing in defence and forwards. In 94 he declined to join the panel and when Down beat Derry he was not training with the team. Despite winning the match Pete McGrath contacted Mason a day or two later and asked him to come back. He started in the very next game and that would indicate how highly McGrath rated him.
Tommy Freeman, not long gone, in his prime alongside McManus and Hughes would make for a formidable attack. Nudie Hughes in at half forward and Ray McCarron, from the same era, would do nicely as well.
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Greg Blaney
Again, we're not talking about the Greg Blaneys of this world.
It goes without saying you'd still want to have him available.
Would Gary Mason be a good shout from that era?
I would be biased coming from the same club, but I don't think Gary Mason would be a fringe player. He has two medals from 91 and 94 playing in defence and forwardN. In 94 he declined to join the panel and when Down beat Derry he was not training with the team. Despite winning the match Pete McGrath contacted Mason a day or two later and asked him to come back. He started in the very next game and that would indicate how highly McGrath rated him.
Was Mason not a half forward in 91 and corner forward in 94. It was later on in his career he played defence for the county.
A good shout Jinky, Mason wasn't a household name like others on them teams but the players and management knew what he brought to the teams from play and placed balls.
Niall Socrates Mc Ginn
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Tommy Freeman, not long gone, in his prime alongside McManus and Hughes would make for a formidable attack. Nudie Hughes in at half forward and Ray McCarron, from the same era, would do nicely as well.
Damien Freeman would be a better shout than Tommy for this thread.
Tommy was the main man.
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Willie McCreery?
He came down to our club to take a training session when he was at his peak, at one point he was setting up a shooting drill from 30 yards, talked us through the technique and then attempted to demonstrate... and put it in the ditch at the far sideline.
That sums up his kicking ability but the man had a serious engine and was tough as they come.
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Peter Domican and Steven Ormsny
Big Seamie. When he was off the burgers of course.
(http://inpho.ie/cache/inpho/b9/b5/3e/cbadf3fa65075cb32d7963de57af8235f632ce2ed4/INPHO_00279985.jpg)
He'd have bulled through Aidan O'Shea for a shortcut. Actually Seamie would have bulled his way through anyone wearing a Mayo or Galway jersey.
Lol. Would he shite. David Brady bullied and he went back to his cheeseburgers for comfort. Catch a grip. He was washed up before he hit mid 20's and before he learned his trade. He could have been a stalwart for years. He was very talented but .....