Craigavon Council had elected their new mayor tonight. The vote was a follows:
Mairead O' Dowd (SF): 11 votes
Carla Lockhart (DUP): 10 votes
Arnold Hatch (UUP): 3 votes.
Carla Lockhart of the DUP was elected mayor and Arnold Hatch the Deputy Mayor.
Work that one out!
Was the guy with 3 votes eliminated and then a second vote?
Shows what happens when those bitter orange parties get a majority >:(
Parity of Esteem me arse ...
Ah............. I don't think it would matter which of the 3 they got into the mayor post...........they would of had a Unionist mayor anyhow!lol!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2012, 11:30:58 PM
Was the guy with 3 votes eliminated and then a second vote?
Shows what happens when those bitter orange parties get a majority >:(
Parity of Esteem me arse ...
Far from being eliminated, the guy with the 3 votes got the Deputy Mayor job
Quote from: Ulick on June 06, 2012, 11:25:51 PM
Craigavon Council had elected their new mayor tonight. The vote was a follows:
Mairead O' Dowd (SF): 11 votes
Carla Lockhart (DUP): 10 votes
Arnold Hatch (UUP): 3 votes.
Carla Lockhart of the DUP was elected mayor and Arnold Hatch the Deputy Mayor.
Work that one out!
Presumably Craigavon Borough Council doesn't operate a first past the post Mayoral election then? Since you've asked us to "work that one out", I'd assume it's some form of alternative vote system, or perhaps a run-off ballot.
Marvellously transparent tit for tat title there.
(Try saying that after a drink or two)
Something similiar happened in 2007
Just guessing here,
but it'd appear that 24 people (I shall refrain from calling them politicians) have a vote.
The one who has an absolute majority wins? NO? 10 plus 3 equals an absol.......
And then they get to select their dictator government, Hey democracy as the Brits intended it
Have any of you been to Craigavon before? This is how it works and you wonder why Stephen Carroll gets so little pity in Craigavon?
Quote from: Go home ref on June 07, 2012, 02:53:47 AM
Have any of you been to Craigavon before? This is how it works and you wonder why Stephen Carroll gets so little pity in Craigavon?
You are a p***k. Like Carroll had any control over what happened between squabbling d*cks that somehow get elected.
Typical mindset of Craigavon/Lurgan/Portadown people, build a wall round it and lock the smelly c*nts in.
Political carve up shocker !
Not as if it is solely a unionist trait.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on June 07, 2012, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: Go home ref on June 07, 2012, 02:53:47 AM
Have any of you been to Craigavon before? This is how it works and you wonder why Stephen Carroll gets so little pity in Craigavon?
You are a p***k. Like Carroll had any control over what happened between squabbling d*cks that somehow get elected.
Typical mindset of Craigavon/Lurgan/Portadown people, build a wall round it and lock the smelly c*nts in.
Speak for yourself you Ardboe tr**p.
I'd hazard a guess that less than 1% of Lurgan/Craigavon/Portadown support the killing of Steve Carroll, and you'll find most of them confined within 2/3 estates.
As for Craigavon Council AGM, can't say I'm in anyway surprised. Obviously some sort of communication break-down prior to the ballot between DUP/UUP but they eventually got things sorted in the end.
::)
Quote from: fitzroyalty on June 07, 2012, 11:53:34 AM
As for Craigavon Council AGM, can't say I'm in anyway surprised. Obviously some sort of communication break-down prior to the ballot between DUP/UUP but they eventually got things sorted in the end.
::)
Took them two hours to sort it out before they re-ran the vote with Lockhart getting through on 12-0.
Quote from: MW on June 06, 2012, 11:38:43 PM
Quote from: Ulick on June 06, 2012, 11:25:51 PM
Craigavon Council had elected their new mayor tonight. The vote was a follows:
Mairead O' Dowd (SF): 11 votes
Carla Lockhart (DUP): 10 votes
Arnold Hatch (UUP): 3 votes.
Carla Lockhart of the DUP was elected mayor and Arnold Hatch the Deputy Mayor.
Work that one out!
Presumably Craigavon Borough Council doesn't operate a first past the post Mayoral election then? Since you've asked us to "work that one out", I'd assume it's some form of alternative vote system, or perhaps a run-off ballot.
Marvellously transparent tit for tat title there.
(Try saying that after a drink or two)
You're defending Craigavon by hypothesising how the council works, when you stated you haven't got a clue how it works. Strange that...
Quote from: Ulick on June 07, 2012, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on June 07, 2012, 11:53:34 AM
As for Craigavon Council AGM, can't say I'm in anyway surprised. Obviously some sort of communication break-down prior to the ballot between DUP/UUP but they eventually got things sorted in the end.
::)
Took them two hours to sort it out before they re-ran the vote with Lockhart getting through on 12-0.
Anything to tar this excuse of a council with bad publicity (that it rightfully deserves) can only be seen in a positive light. They also couldn't have voted in a more inept, out of touch and quite frankly idiotic individual. Will they make it a hat-trick for next year is the real question.
For the record here's what happened:
1. SF proposed a motion to use D'Hondt to allocate the mayor and deputy mayor posts.
2. The outcome of this was 12-12. The current mayor got a second casting vote so voted against to defeat the proposal.
3. The council decided to directly elect the new mayor from the floor of the chamber.
4. The vote was SF 11, DUP 10, UUP 3. The UUP candidate Hatch voted for the DUP.
5. Meeting suspended for 2 hours while the unionists figured out a plan.
6. Unionists decided the vote would eliminate the third placed candidate and another vote was required to elect the mayor.
7. SF refuse to participate, SDLP abstain, Lockhart deemed elected on a vote of 12-0.
Democracy in action - unionist style.
Similar thing happened in Newtownabbey last night when the UU,Alliance and SDLP joined with the DUP to exclude the two SF councillors from any positions on council.
Quote from: Ulick on June 07, 2012, 12:21:30 PM
For the record here's what happened:
1. SF proposed a motion to use D'Hondt to allocate the mayor and deputy mayor posts.
2. The outcome of this was 12-12. The current mayor got a second casting vote so voted against to defeat the proposal.
3. The council decided to directly elect the new mayor from the floor of the chamber.
4. The vote was SF 11, DUP 10, UUP 3. The UUP candidate Hatch voted for the DUP.
5. Meeting suspended for 2 hours while the unionists figured out a plan.
6. Unionists decided the vote would eliminate the third placed candidate and another vote was required to elect the mayor.
7. SF refuse to participate, SDLP abstain, Lockhart deemed elected on a vote of 12-0.
Democracy in action - unionist style.
What are the standing orders for the election? Surely there are standing orders?
or is it a case of the standing orders are so flexible that one can make them fit the requirements of an election already in progress?
Quote from: Ulick on June 07, 2012, 12:21:30 PM
For the record here's what happened:
1. SF proposed a motion to use D'Hondt to allocate the mayor and deputy mayor posts.
2. The outcome of this was 12-12. The current mayor got a second casting vote so voted against to defeat the proposal.
3. The council decided to directly elect the new mayor from the floor of the chamber.
4. The vote was SF 11, DUP 10, UUP 3. The UUP candidate Hatch voted for the DUP.
5. Meeting suspended for 2 hours while the unionists figured out a plan.
6. Unionists decided the vote would eliminate the third placed candidate and another vote was required to elect the mayor.
7. SF refuse to participate, SDLP abstain, Lockhart deemed elected on a vote of 12-0.
Democracy in action - unionist style.
How would democracy SF-style look?
QuoteHow would democracy SF-style look?
The same as it looks in the south, it would reflect a party on the rise .... just like Sinn Fein.
Quote from: deiseach on June 07, 2012, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: Ulick on June 07, 2012, 12:21:30 PM
For the record here's what happened:
1. SF proposed a motion to use D'Hondt to allocate the mayor and deputy mayor posts.
2. The outcome of this was 12-12. The current mayor got a second casting vote so voted against to defeat the proposal.
3. The council decided to directly elect the new mayor from the floor of the chamber.
4. The vote was SF 11, DUP 10, UUP 3. The UUP candidate Hatch voted for the DUP.
5. Meeting suspended for 2 hours while the unionists figured out a plan.
6. Unionists decided the vote would eliminate the third placed candidate and another vote was required to elect the mayor.
7. SF refuse to participate, SDLP abstain, Lockhart deemed elected on a vote of 12-0.
Democracy in action - unionist style.
How would democracy SF-style look?
Omagh DC - for example
Sinn Fein - 10
DUP - 3
SDLP - 3
UUP - 3
Ind - 2
Sinn Fein Chair
UUP Vice-Chair
Quote from: balladmaker on June 07, 2012, 04:18:32 PM
QuoteHow would democracy SF-style look?
The same as it looks in the south, it would reflect a party on the rise .... just like Sinn Fein.
So when SF are on the rise, that's democracy. Presumably when SF are on the wane, it's not democracy. Thanks for that.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 07, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
Omagh DC - for example
Sinn Fein - 10
DUP - 3
SDLP - 3
UUP - 3
Ind - 2
Sinn Fein Chair
UUP Vice-Chair
So SF are in favour of D'Hondt systems. Fine. But there's nothing inherently undemocratic in other ways of doing things. Davy Walsh of The Worker's Party in Waterford has been a city councillor for 33 years and has never had a sniff of becoming Mayor or Deputy Mayor. To me it's disgraceful that the weasels around him won't give the guy a dig-out, but the harsh truth is he never had the votes, and SF don't have them in Craigavon either.
The point of the thread is they did have the votes.
Quote from: Ulick on June 07, 2012, 05:17:57 PM
The point of the thread is they did have the votes.
No, they didn't. 11 < (10 + 3)
no party had 10 + 3???
Quote from: haranguerer on June 07, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
no party had 10 + 3???
No one party did. Are you seriously advocating FPTP as an electoral system?
SinnFein must feel let down by their good friends the DUP.
Ballymena Council have elected their first nationalist mayor, SDLPs PJ McAvoy.
Quote from: deiseach on June 07, 2012, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on June 07, 2012, 05:17:57 PM
The point of the thread is they did have the votes.
No, they didn't. 11 < (10 + 3)
If the standing rules for the election say the lowest of three candidates can be eliminated if no candidate gets over 50% of the votes cast in the election count, then you can say 10+3 is >11 in a run off.
Quote from: Main Street on June 07, 2012, 08:05:36 PM
Quote from: deiseach on June 07, 2012, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: Ulick on June 07, 2012, 05:17:57 PM
The point of the thread is they did have the votes.
No, they didn't. 11 < (10 + 3)
If the standing rules for the election say the lowest of three candidates can be eliminated if no candidate gets over 50% of the votes cast in the election count, then you can say 10+3 is >11 in a run off.
You're right. As you noted earlier, we don't know what the standing rules were. There is something fishy about the way the order of voting came about, a bit like the way the choice of the destination of the 2018 World Cup was bundled in with the vote on the destination of the 2022 World Cup
Quote from: ziggysego on June 07, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
Quote from: MW on June 06, 2012, 11:38:43 PM
Quote from: Ulick on June 06, 2012, 11:25:51 PM
Craigavon Council had elected their new mayor tonight. The vote was a follows:
Mairead O' Dowd (SF): 11 votes
Carla Lockhart (DUP): 10 votes
Arnold Hatch (UUP): 3 votes.
Carla Lockhart of the DUP was elected mayor and Arnold Hatch the Deputy Mayor.
Work that one out!
Presumably Craigavon Borough Council doesn't operate a first past the post Mayoral election then? Since you've asked us to "work that one out", I'd assume it's some form of alternative vote system, or perhaps a run-off ballot.
Marvellously transparent tit for tat title there.
(Try saying that after a drink or two)
You're defending Craigavon by hypothesising how the council works, when you stated you haven't got a clue how it works. Strange that...
The "strange" thing is how on earth you worked out that I was "defending Craigavon".
Ulick posted an incomplete set of information and invited us to "work that one out". What exactly was the problem then with me trying to "work it out"?
Why is that such a problematic response?
Quote from: deiseach on June 07, 2012, 05:33:00 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on June 07, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
no party had 10 + 3???
No one party did. Are you seriously advocating FPTP as an electoral system?
The D'Hondt method of voting and allocating seats was proposed and rejected by the unionists on the council in favour of direct first past the post. When the FPTP didn't go their way they reverted to a contrived version of proportional representation - in contravention of an earlier agreement not to use any form of proportional representation when first proposed before the AGM.
Quote from: Ulick on June 06, 2012, 11:25:51 PM
Craigavon Council had elected their new mayor tonight. The vote was a follows:
Mairead O' Dowd (SF): 11 votes
Carla Lockhart (DUP): 10 votes
Arnold Hatch (UUP): 3 votes.
Carla Lockhart of the DUP was elected mayor and Arnold Hatch the Deputy Mayor.
Work that one out!
Rule number 1.
Without a hint of irony, DUP councillor Woolsey Smith said his party would not be prepared to accept a power-sharing arrangement on the council until Sinn Féin "proved itself a democratic party"....
Priceless!!!
SS2 enjoy the view,you deserve this!!!!!! Guess which one is which? :P
(http://www.upperbannsf.com/media/lg_maireaed.jpg)
(http://www.lurganmail.co.uk/webimage/1.3764265.1335181542!image/2888363512.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2888363512.jpg)
Quote from: Ulick on June 08, 2012, 01:14:37 AM
The D'Hondt method of voting and allocating seats was proposed and rejected by the unionists on the council in favour of direct first past the post. When the FPTP didn't go their way they reverted to a contrived version of proportional representation - in contravention of an earlier agreement not to use any form of proportional representation when first proposed before the AGM.
I take your point
Strabane & Omagh has it's first DUP chairperson. Neither one would shake the hands of Sinn Fein cllrs, who offered their congratulations.
Quote from: MW on June 07, 2012, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 07, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
Quote from: MW on June 06, 2012, 11:38:43 PM
Quote from: Ulick on June 06, 2012, 11:25:51 PM
Craigavon Council had elected their new mayor tonight. The vote was a follows:
Mairead O' Dowd (SF): 11 votes
Carla Lockhart (DUP): 10 votes
Arnold Hatch (UUP): 3 votes.
Carla Lockhart of the DUP was elected mayor and Arnold Hatch the Deputy Mayor.
Work that one out!
Presumably Craigavon Borough Council doesn't operate a first past the post Mayoral election then? Since you've asked us to "work that one out", I'd assume it's some form of alternative vote system, or perhaps a run-off ballot.
Marvellously transparent tit for tat title there.
(Try saying that after a drink or two)
You're defending Craigavon by hypothesising how the council works, when you stated you haven't got a clue how it works. Strange that...
The "strange" thing is how on earth you worked out that I was "defending Craigavon".
Ulick posted an incomplete set of information and invited us to "work that one out". What exactly was the problem then with me trying to "work it out"?
Why is that such a problematic response?
Just how it looked to me.
But hey, I've been wrong about stuff in the past and I'll no doubt continue being wrong about stuff in the future. So if I'm sorry, I'll apologise and retract my query/statement.
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Ulick on June 08, 2012, 01:14:37 AM
The D'Hondt method of voting and allocating seats was proposed and rejected by the unionists on the council in favour of direct first past the post. When the FPTP didn't go their way they reverted to a contrived version of proportional representation - in contravention of an earlier agreement not to use any form of proportional representation when first proposed before the AGM.
I take your point
Can we presume the unionists could not predetermine that 11 votes would be greater than 10?
What i'm most confused about here is that surely the unionists councillors could have done the very simple maths on a FPTP scenario and supported a single candidate from their ranks (just as the SDLP appears to have supported the SF candidate here)? Surely that would have given them their desired outcome with no scope for opposition?
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2012, 11:29:53 AM
What i'm most confused about here is that surely the unionists councillors could have done the very simple maths on a FPTP scenario and supported a single candidate from their ranks (just as the SDLP appears to have supported the SF candidate here)? Surely that would have given them their desired outcome with no scope for opposition?
the sdlp appears to have supported sinn fein in craigavon but did the exact opposite in armagh indeed they joined in a carve up with unnionists/dup to keep the biggest party off all relevant committees etc..
work that out..
Politics, eh?
Quote from: Hardy on June 08, 2012, 12:47:41 PM
Politics Stoops, eh?
Stoops confused as always just.
Quote from: deiseach on June 07, 2012, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 07, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
Omagh DC - for example
Sinn Fein - 10
DUP - 3
SDLP - 3
UUP - 3
Ind - 2
Sinn Fein Chair
UUP Vice-Chair
So SF are in favour of D'Hondt systems. Fine. But there's nothing inherently undemocratic in other ways of doing things. Davy Walsh of The Worker's Party in Waterford has been a city councillor for 33 years and has never had a sniff of becoming Mayor or Deputy Mayor. To me it's disgraceful that the weasels around him won't give the guy a dig-out, but the harsh truth is he never had the votes, and SF don't have them in Craigavon either.
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
I have to say, having given the Shinners stick over their inaction in trying to get the Stoops on board regarding their plans for unity, I feel obliged to have a go at the stoops now. Given the collective nationalist experience at the sharp end of unionist democracy any SDLP member who sides with them to exclude SF should be ashamed of themselves and Big Al needs to kick ass...but he won't as his inability to recognise SF help in his South Belfast election clearly illustrated he prefers to lick unionist ar*es.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
Hmmm... true to a certain extent. However what has more of an impact is that the ward boundaries are out of date and unionist dominated wards return more councilors than nationalist wards even though they have less voters.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down.
Lisburn currently has a nationalist mayor as well - its second I understand.
Just a thought, but in England, would a Conservative controlled Council vote for a Lib Dem or Labour mayor to give everyone a 'fair crack of the whip'? What happens on councils down south where one party has a substantial majority?
Whatever about the specifics of this instance, which seems odd to say the least, are we skewing democracy in expecting every party to get their time as mayor, regardless of how many votes they get in an area? Taking Lisburn as an example, should SF ever expect to have a mayor when they have 5 out of 30 seats on the council?
Quote from: ziggysego on June 08, 2012, 10:25:05 AM
Strabane & Omagh has it's first DUP chairperson. Neither one would shake the hands of Sinn Fein cllrs, who offered their congratulations.
I'm not sure you're right here' Did Strabane not have unionist chairpersons for years, Tommy Kerrigan for one.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2012, 11:29:53 AM
What i'm most confused about here is that surely the unionists councillors could have done the very simple maths on a FPTP scenario and supported a single candidate from their ranks (just as the SDLP appears to have supported the SF candidate here)? Surely that would have given them their desired outcome with no scope for opposition?
UUP and DUP are killing each other in Craigavon indeed UUP is split among itself hence Arnold Hatch voting for Carla Lockhart rather than himself
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:47:47 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 08, 2012, 10:25:05 AM
Strabane & Omagh has it's first DUP chairperson. Neither one would shake the hands of Sinn Fein cllrs, who offered their congratulations.
I'm not sure you're right here' Did Strabane not have unionist chairpersons for years, Tommy Kerrigan for one.
Wrong again :D
Definitely right about Omagh DC though and both chairs wouldn't accept the congratulations from Sinn Fein.
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 09, 2012, 01:21:48 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:47:47 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 08, 2012, 10:25:05 AM
Strabane & Omagh has it's first DUP chairperson. Neither one would shake the hands of Sinn Fein cllrs, who offered their congratulations.
I'm not sure you're right here' Did Strabane not have unionist chairpersons for years, Tommy Kerrigan for one.
It was the notorious Edward Turner of the UUP that was the Chairman of Strabane for quite a few years, Kerrigan was the Vice Chair in that era and Chairman for a year in the last council term
I met Tommy Kerrigan a few times. He seemed a nice enough man. I seem to remember him being hauled over the coals by the DUP hierarchy after he shook hands with a Sinn Fein Chair or vice Chair in the days before the entente cordial that exists between DUP and SF everywhere apart from Craigavon
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 09, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
Says the man living on a totally different island.
Well we'll see how much you lot understood over the next few days when Spain gets a much better bailout deal than you got and you find yourselves with nothing to bargain with in order to negotiate a similar deal because you have already voted Yes in the referendum.
While of course de Hondt would be a much preferable system, it is still to be established whether the system used did break the rules which were in place at the time. What was much more shocking, disturbing or laughable, depending on your perspective, were the comments of DUP councillors who said that they wouldn't share power with SF until the latter proved they were a "peace loving party." Clearly a man who doesn't turn on the news or travel outside of Craigavon too often.
There is a certain irony in Sinn Fein accusing their brothers in arms (no pun intended) the DUP of a carve up or dirty tricks.
The term they used was "untill SF prove themselves a democratic party". Which is priceless considering another Unionist, Adrian Cochrane (UUP) from Antrim Borough Council yesterday stated "pigs will fly before Antrim allows a SF mayor. Yes, it's undemocratic but I'll never promote SF. I don't think they are fit for public office".
Quote from: Nally Stand on June 09, 2012, 11:12:18 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 09, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
Says the man living on a totally different island.
Sure you live on a totally different planet.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down.
Lisburn currently has a nationalist mayor as well - its second I understand.
Just a thought, but in England, would a Conservative controlled Council vote for a Lib Dem or Labour mayor to give everyone a 'fair crack of the whip'? What happens on councils down south where one party has a substantial majority?
Whatever about the specifics of this instance, which seems odd to say the least, are we skewing democracy in expecting every party to get their time as mayor, regardless of how many votes they get in an area? Taking Lisburn as an example, should SF ever expect to have a mayor when they have 5 out of 30 seats on the council?
England doesn't have a (recent) history of sectarian civil strife and doesn't need to have power-sharing enforced like it does in the north.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on June 10, 2012, 07:42:07 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down.
Lisburn currently has a nationalist mayor as well - its second I understand.
Just a thought, but in England, would a Conservative controlled Council vote for a Lib Dem or Labour mayor to give everyone a 'fair crack of the whip'? What happens on councils down south where one party has a substantial majority?
Whatever about the specifics of this instance, which seems odd to say the least, are we skewing democracy in expecting every party to get their time as mayor, regardless of how many votes they get in an area? Taking Lisburn as an example, should SF ever expect to have a mayor when they have 5 out of 30 seats on the council?
England doesn't have a (recent) history of sectarian civil strife and doesn't need to have power-sharing enforced like it does in the north.
Local councils are hardly the same as a legislative parliment - how much power do they have to abuse? To my knowledge, the roll of a Mayor (or Deputy) is largely ceremonial - any council decisions will continue to be made by a vote from the council members.
The votes on craigavon council are always on a sectarian head count. Nothing is ever decided by reasonable discussion. If the unionists dont like it, it wont go through.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down.
Lisburn currently has a nationalist mayor as well - its second I understand.
Just a thought, but in England, would a Conservative controlled Council vote for a Lib Dem or Labour mayor to give everyone a 'fair crack of the whip'? What happens on councils down south where one party has a substantial majority?
Whatever about the specifics of this instance, which seems odd to say the least, are we skewing democracy in expecting every party to get their time as mayor, regardless of how many votes they get in an area? Taking Lisburn as an example, should SF ever expect to have a mayor when they have 5 out of 30 seats on the council?
By and large in England and in all nationalist led councils posts are allocated on party strength. Lisburn may and has indeed appointed a nationalist Mayor but the exclude SF from posts.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 11, 2012, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down.
Lisburn currently has a nationalist mayor as well - its second I understand.
Just a thought, but in England, would a Conservative controlled Council vote for a Lib Dem or Labour mayor to give everyone a 'fair crack of the whip'? What happens on councils down south where one party has a substantial majority?
Whatever about the specifics of this instance, which seems odd to say the least, are we skewing democracy in expecting every party to get their time as mayor, regardless of how many votes they get in an area? Taking Lisburn as an example, should SF ever expect to have a mayor when they have 5 out of 30 seats on the council?
By and large in England and in all nationalist led councils posts are allocated on party strength. Lisburn may and has indeed appointed a nationalist Mayor but the exclude SF from posts.
As does Newtownabbey with the help of the SDLP
Quote from: glens abu on June 11, 2012, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 11, 2012, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 08, 2012, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down.
Lisburn currently has a nationalist mayor as well - its second I understand.
Just a thought, but in England, would a Conservative controlled Council vote for a Lib Dem or Labour mayor to give everyone a 'fair crack of the whip'? What happens on councils down south where one party has a substantial majority?
Whatever about the specifics of this instance, which seems odd to say the least, are we skewing democracy in expecting every party to get their time as mayor, regardless of how many votes they get in an area? Taking Lisburn as an example, should SF ever expect to have a mayor when they have 5 out of 30 seats on the council?
By and large in England and in all nationalist led councils posts are allocated on party strength. Lisburn may and has indeed appointed a nationalist Mayor but the exclude SF from posts.
As does Newtownabbey with the help of the SDLP
SF has 2 councillors out of 25 in Newtownabbey and the SDLP has one. Neither has the power to influence the election of a Mayor. And should either party even expect to take the role at any time?
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 09, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
This coming from a place that wants to keep a tax fraudster in the Dail
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 11, 2012, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 09, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
This coming from a place that wants to keep a tax fraudster in the Dail
Lowry has been a TD for years
Quote from: johnneycool on June 12, 2012, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 11, 2012, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 09, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
This coming from a place that wants to keep a tax fraudster in the Dail
Lowry has been a TD for years
At least we have less terrorists in our parliament than yours, has to count for something lads.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 12, 2012, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 12, 2012, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 11, 2012, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 09, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
This coming from a place that wants to keep a tax fraudster in the Dail
Lowry has been a TD for years
At least we have less terrorists in our parliament than yours, has to count for something lads.
Wasn't always like that, was it, if we accept your criteria? Why don't you read up on your history, try the chapter entitled 'The First Dail'. I know you like to display your almost childlike ignorance with every post, but not even the biggest fantasist would describe Stormont as a 'parliament'
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 12, 2012, 07:52:09 PM
At least we have less terrorists in our parliament than yours, has to count for something lads.
0/10 for the piss poor windup attempt.
10/10 though for your perfectly valid point, although the UDR was never deployed in the free state.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 12, 2012, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 12, 2012, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 11, 2012, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 09, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
This coming from a place that wants to keep a tax fraudster in the Dail
Lowry has been a TD for years
At least we have less terrorists in our parliament than yours, has to count for something lads.
Look, Peter paid his dues after the siege of Clontibret, that shouldn't always be cast up to him, are we not 'maturing as a nation'? (c) Irish Independent.
Check out the Brian Feeney piece in the Irish News...once again he hits the bullseye...SF should hire him.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
Check out the Brian Feeney piece in the Irish News...once again he hits the bullseye...SF should hire him.
I read an article in a magazine last month.
It was excellent.
P.S. I heard a really funny joke in the pub last night, too. It made everybody laugh. And did I mention the film I went to see on Saturday? My g/f really liked it, though I thought it merely so-so.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
Check out the Brian Feeney piece in the Irish News...once again he hits the bullseye...SF should hire him.
Annual pantomime shows need for legal constraints
THE parade of unionist triumphalism across the north is an annual event which should surprise no-one. No, not the Twalf or the other 3,000 Orange marches. No, it's the election of council chairs and mayors which takes place every year in June. The attitudes on display provide a salutary reminder to anyone who thinks unionism has changed and a useful lesson to the younger generation that unionist Neanderthals still exist from Castlereagh to Craigavon.
Perhaps that's unkind to Neanderthals because recent evidence indicates they co-existed with Homosapiens for thousands of years, which is more than unionists are prepared to do with nationalists. It's also wrong to suggest that the boneheads stop at the Bann because there's plenty of evidence of their presence right out to Fermanagh. The difference is that in Fermanagh and elsewhere west of the Bann you can hear their noise but they can't make their presence felt. And there's the point.
The disgraceful conduct of unionist councillors in places such as Craigavon, Antrim and Newtownabbey where they exclude Sinn Fein councillors from office would happen west of the Bann too if unionists had the numbers. If anything demonstrates the importance of strong equality legislation and the need for legal constraints on abuse of political power it's the annual pantomime unionists engage in when they have a free hand.
Don't you love the sheer effrontery of the political troglodyte Councillor Adrian Cochrane Watson in Antrim who justified his exclusion of Sinn Fein accepting, "Yes, it's totally undemocratic. I don't think they're fit for public office". Presumably he thinks he is? If any statement sums up unionists' attitude, his does. In Craigavon Sinn Fein was unfair to the DUP's Stephen Moutray by saying he accepted the power-sharing arrangements at Stormont but then he time-travelled 30 miles back to 1690 to sit in Craigavon. Not true. Moutray has been entirely consistent. He has never indicated support for the partnership arrangements at Stormont. Remember he was one of the DUP's 'dirty dozen' who in November 2006 signed a statement rejecting any deal with Sinn Fein at St Andrews.
You might wonder why neither of the leaders of the DUP or the UUP steps in to tell their councillors, too many of whom are MLA double-jobbers, to behave themselves in councils. You might, if you forget that no unionist leader has ever endorsed the concept of power-sharing or partnership in government. On the contrary, they regularly deplore the idea, constantly referring to a "compulsory coalition" which it isn't - it's power-sharing and hankering after some mirage where there will be a voluntary coalition, code for unionist majority rule.
Thankfully the antics of unionists in places such as Craigavon provide an annual reminder of just what these people would get up to at Stormont if they had any power. Again, remember no unionist leader has ever repudiated these antics and don't forget that some of the councillors concerned were around long before the Good Friday Agreement and at any time between 1974 and 1998 could have agreed to share power with the SDLP but they wouldn't. Indeed sometimes when the SDLP offered the council chair to a unionist it was refused in case anyone imagined for a second a unionist would share power.
In these circumstances it is important to point out the hypocrisy of Peter Robinson who talks about a 'benign apartheid' and advocates a shared future in speeches designed to appeal to moderate unionists, presumably a slice of the 50,000 in the doughnut round Belfast who vote Alliance.
The response to Robinson is, 'Physician heal thyself'.
Let him make a speech advocating partnership and power-sharing in the north's administration and let's hear him encouraging the backwoodsmen and women in his own party to acknowledge the existence of equal rights for the nationalist community. If they don't hear it from Robinson they're hardly going to listen to anyone else.
His silence can be taken as consent to their behaviour.
It can also be taken as an absolute requirement for legislation to compel the new councils to operate a d'Hondt voting system and rotate council chairs because there's no evidence of goodwill among unionist politicians.
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 13, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
Check out the Brian Feeney piece in the Irish News...once again he hits the bullseye...SF should hire him.
I read an article in a magazine last month.
It was excellent.
P.S. I heard a really funny joke in the pub last night, too. It made everybody laugh. And did I mention the film I went to see on Saturday? My g/f really liked it, though I thought it merely so-so.
EG wasn't aimed at you as you would be totally incapable of accepting that the Unionist leper (sic) can't change its orange deep dyed spots. Plus I think I remember you stating before that you don't read the Irish News.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 13, 2012, 09:12:38 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 12, 2012, 07:52:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 12, 2012, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 11, 2012, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 09, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 09, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Quote from: deiseach on June 08, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 08, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
Totally different situation, Craigavoin Borough is evenly balanced between both communities, it was just the unwillingness of SDLP voters to transfer that enable Unionists to hold the balance of power. Craigavon has a record of sectarian bigotry stretching back over many years. Remember the ST Peter's debacle where the had to be forced in the courts to lease ground to the GAA Club. In Nationalist controlled councils by and large Unionists get a fair crack of the whip, even Ballymena has elected a nationalist Mayor. Craigavon closely followed by Lisburn have continously done what the could to keep the croppies down. I'm afraid your post displays an ignorance of the North and its politics.
In the absence of any rules to force people to adopt certain methods of sharing the the spoils, such as you have in the Assembly, you can't stop parties not voting to share the spoils. Unionist politicians are going to form a pact, simple as that. Although I accept that there should be a obligation to be up front about it. You agree on the order of business and proceed through it in an orderly fashion. The bizarre manner in which they went about this stank to high heaven
I love when misinformed people like yourself post on threads like this to display your total ignorance of Northern politics.
Pretty much how we feel about you lads complete ignorance of politics in the Republic.
This coming from a place that wants to keep a tax fraudster in the Dail
Lowry has been a TD for years
At least we have less terrorists in our parliament than yours, has to count for something lads.
Look, Peter paid his dues after the siege of Clontibret, that shouldn't always be cast up to him, are we not 'maturing as a nation'? (c) Irish Independent.
You see how forgiving we are in the Irish Republic, we forgive that particular example of you lot trying to invade our sovereign territory.
Your Glorious Leader and Deputy Glorious Leader are well suited gunner bedfellows.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 13, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
Check out the Brian Feeney piece in the Irish News...once again he hits the bullseye...SF should hire him.
I read an article in a magazine last month.
It was excellent.
P.S. I heard a really funny joke in the pub last night, too. It made everybody laugh. And did I mention the film I went to see on Saturday? My g/f really liked it, though I thought it merely so-so.
EG wasn't aimed at you
I did not take your post as being aimed at me.
Rather I was merely pointing out that this was the second time you had praised an article by BF in the IN, without reproducing it for the rest of us to read.
How would you react if I was to post eg
"There was a great Editorial in my local newspaper this morning, really hit the mark", and left it at that?
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 04:22:54 PM... you would be totally incapable of accepting that the Unionist leper (sic) can't change its orange deep dyed spots.
I once saw a sufferer with an advanced case of Hansen's Disease [
sic] begging on the street in Nepal. It was a sight which will never leave me.
I sincerely hope you are never victim of such an affliction.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 04:22:54 PMPlus I think I remember you stating before that you don't read the Irish News.
No, I said that I
can't read it, not "don't".
Otherwise why would I have asked for it to be scanned and posted on here? ::)
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 13, 2012, 05:33:48 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 13, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
Check out the Brian Feeney piece in the Irish News...once again he hits the bullseye...SF should hire him.
I read an article in a magazine last month.
It was excellent.
P.S. I heard a really funny joke in the pub last night, too. It made everybody laugh. And did I mention the film I went to see on Saturday? My g/f really liked it, though I thought it merely so-so.
EG wasn't aimed at you
I did not take your post as being aimed at me.
Rather I was merely pointing out that this was the second time you had praised an article by BF in the IN, without reproducing it for the rest of us to read.
How would you react if I was to post eg "There was a great Editorial in my local newspaper this morning, really hit the mark", and left it at that?
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 04:22:54 PM... you would be totally incapable of accepting that the Unionist leper (sic) can't change its orange deep dyed spots.
I once saw a sufferer with an advanced case of Hansen's Disease [sic] begging on the street in Nepal. It was a sight which will never leave me.
I sincerely hope you are never victim of such an affliction.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 04:22:54 PMPlus I think I remember you stating before that you don't read the Irish News.
No, I said that I can't read it, not "don't".
Otherwise why would I have asked for it to be scanned and posted on here? ::)
Maybe you could explain how I could scan and post, I really don't know how to as I said before.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 14, 2012, 03:33:21 PM
Maybe you could explain how I could scan and post, I really don't know how to as I said before.
Hardly, since I can barely manage it myself.
But until you can figure it out, I would ask that you stop referring to articles you have read without further elaboration, since it is irritating and unhelpful (imo).
And in the meantime, I should be obliged if you withdrew your disgraceful "leper [
sic]" remark, not because I feel hurt or offended by it (as you apparently intended), but because it was unacceptably hurtful and offensive to sufferers from Hansen's Disease, an especially horrible and distressing affliction.
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 13, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
Check out the Brian Feeney piece in the Irish News...once again he hits the bullseye...SF should hire him.
I read an article in a magazine last month.
It was excellent.
P.S. I heard a really funny joke in the pub last night, too. It made everybody laugh. And did I mention the film I went to see on Saturday? My g/f really liked it, though I thought it merely so-so.
g/f means:
good friend
gay friend
gorgeous farmer
come on, be out with the truth and be proud.
pedantic for two please
I assume EG does not have a subscrition to IN and doesn't want to. If you posted the link from the IN, non subscribers may not be able to read it.
If you highlighted the text of the article and copied that text. You might paste it and post it here. Maybe this is what he means by scanning it?
Quote from: ardal on June 14, 2012, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 13, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 13, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
Check out the Brian Feeney piece in the Irish News...once again he hits the bullseye...SF should hire him.
I read an article in a magazine last month.
It was excellent.
P.S. I heard a really funny joke in the pub last night, too. It made everybody laugh. And did I mention the film I went to see on Saturday? My g/f really liked it, though I thought it merely so-so.
g/f means:
good friend
gay friend
gorgeous farmer
come on, be out with the truth and be proud.
pedantic for two please
It also means "Girlfriend".
Who could simultaneously also be my "good friend", my "gay friend" and a "gorgeous farmer".
I suggest you stop being a n/f
Please accept my humblest apologises.
I shall now proceed to crawl back into my Unionist donated prehistoric cave
FFS guys, I posted the article. Quit arguing with each other, it's moronic!
Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
FFS guys, I posted the article. Quit arguing with each other, it's moronic!
Why post something on a discussion forum and ask people to stop discussing it. ::)
Quote from: Cold tea on June 14, 2012, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
FFS guys, I posted the article. Quit arguing with each other, it's moronic!
Why post something on a discussion forum and ask people to stop discussing it. ::)
The was about EG complaining he couldn't comment on the article. He hasn't commented on it, still complaining he couldn't comment on it originally.
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 14, 2012, 03:43:22 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 14, 2012, 03:33:21 PM
Maybe you could explain how I could scan and post, I really don't know how to as I said before.
Hardly, since I can barely manage it myself.
But until you can figure it out, I would ask that you stop referring to articles you have read without further elaboration, since it is irritating and unhelpful (imo).
And in the meantime, I should be obliged if you withdrew your disgraceful "leper [sic]" remark, not because I feel hurt or offended by it (as you apparently intended), but because it was unacceptably hurtful and offensive to sufferers from Hansen's Disease, an especially horrible and distressing affliction.
I suppose your right, bad enough to be a leper without also being an orangeman. By the way i didn't mean to offend you...but if I did well...
Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 04:51:56 PM
Quote from: Cold tea on June 14, 2012, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 14, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
FFS guys, I posted the article. Quit arguing with each other, it's moronic!
Why post something on a discussion forum and ask people to stop discussing it. ::)
The was about EG complaining he couldn't comment on the article. He hasn't commented on it, still complaining he couldn't comment on it originally.
No, I was complaining about "Apples", and his tendancy to refer to newspaper articles, without posting them or providing a link (or at least providing a summary).
Now that you have posted it, I may comment, providing I find the time and the inclination.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 15, 2012, 01:34:12 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on June 14, 2012, 03:43:22 PM
And in the meantime, I should be obliged if you withdrew your disgraceful "leper [sic]" remark, not because I feel hurt or offended by it (as you apparently intended), but because it was unacceptably hurtful and offensive to sufferers from Hansen's Disease, an especially horrible and distressing affliction.
I suppose your right, bad enough to be a leper without also being an orangeman. By the way i didn't mean to offend you...but if I did well...
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk8hkePn3S1qb53jco1_500.jpg)
You may consider it acceptable to mock (repeatedly) people sufferering from Hansen's Disease, but I most certainly do not.
You may also think that you are being clever when doing so, too, when in reality you are merely coming across as a callous w**ker.
QuoteYou may consider it acceptable to mock (repeatedly) people sufferering from Hansen's Disease, but I most certainly do not.
You may also think that you are being clever when doing so, too, when in reality you are merely coming across as a callous w**ker.
No, your style is more "we won the battle of the Boyne, croppies lie down". You are in no position to criticise anyone else. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye.
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Antrim Borough Council being just as inclusive....
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/11/24/news/criticism-after-antrim-athletics-venue-renamed-centenary-stadium-2517122/
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Is Lurgan Celtic actually forcing ABC to do this?
Yes Lurgan Celtic approached the council with regards to the lease of the pitch and instigated this. That's my understanding having spoken with Traceys ones. Open to being corrected...
What about outreach by St Peters and St Pauls and Clan Eireann to get behind Clan na Gael, and make they a powerhouse once again, lol.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 24, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Antrim Borough Council being just as inclusive....
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/11/24/news/criticism-after-antrim-athletics-venue-renamed-centenary-stadium-2517122/
Sad. Reaching out the hand of friendship once again.
Quote from: grounded on November 24, 2021, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 24, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Antrim Borough Council being just as inclusive....
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/11/24/news/criticism-after-antrim-athletics-venue-renamed-centenary-stadium-2517122/
Sad. Reaching out the hand of friendship once again.
New Leisure Centre in Newtownards called the "Blair Mayne Wellbeing and Leisure Complex"..
Do you think it's because he played rugby for Ireland like a few others from the area?
The Protestant Centre, whoops I mean Robinson Centre in East Belfast - named after Peter because of his generous financial donations to the justice system in Dundalk
Quote from: Orior on November 25, 2021, 08:11:44 AM
The Protestant Centre, whoops I mean Robinson Centre in East Belfast - named after Peter because of his generous financial donations to the justice system in Dundalk
Was Stevie Nolan not a frequenter of that facility?
Quote from: johnnycool on November 25, 2021, 08:03:09 AM
Quote from: grounded on November 24, 2021, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 24, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Antrim Borough Council being just as inclusive....
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/11/24/news/criticism-after-antrim-athletics-venue-renamed-centenary-stadium-2517122/
Sad. Reaching out the hand of friendship once again.
New Leisure Centre in Newtownards called the "Blair Mayne Wellbeing and Leisure Complex"..
Do you think it's because he played rugby for Ireland like a few others from the area?
Its strange they didn't use his proper name as he was called... Paddy Mayne by his friends, the English
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Yes Lurgan Celtic approached the council with regards to the lease of the pitch and instigated this. That's my understanding having spoken with Traceys ones. Open to being corrected...
I dont see how it would be Lurgan Celtics fault, they asked about leasing the facility if it was fit for their purpose, to be fit for their purpose and for the league they're gonna be playing in it has to meet certain criteria, so I assume LC approached the council said they would take the lease of the facility if X,Y,Z is met. The ball is then in the councils court, LC are looking out for their interests. this isnt anything to do with them
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2021, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 25, 2021, 08:03:09 AM
Quote from: grounded on November 24, 2021, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 24, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Antrim Borough Council being just as inclusive....
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/11/24/news/criticism-after-antrim-athletics-venue-renamed-centenary-stadium-2517122/
Sad. Reaching out the hand of friendship once again.
New Leisure Centre in Newtownards called the "Blair Mayne Wellbeing and Leisure Complex"..
Do you think it's because he played rugby for Ireland like a few others from the area?
Its strange they didn't use his proper name as he was called... Paddy Mayne by his friends, the English
They've a statue of him outside the town hall, not sure what is inscribed on it, couldn't be arsed looking and also a road named after him...
Think I read somewhere he hated the place ;D
Quote from: johnnycool on November 25, 2021, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2021, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 25, 2021, 08:03:09 AM
Quote from: grounded on November 24, 2021, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 24, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Antrim Borough Council being just as inclusive....
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/11/24/news/criticism-after-antrim-athletics-venue-renamed-centenary-stadium-2517122/
Sad. Reaching out the hand of friendship once again.
New Leisure Centre in Newtownards called the "Blair Mayne Wellbeing and Leisure Complex"..
Do you think it's because he played rugby for Ireland like a few others from the area?
Its strange they didn't use his proper name as he was called... Paddy Mayne by his friends, the English
They've a statue of him outside the town hall, not sure what is inscribed on it, couldn't be arsed looking and also a road named after him...
Think I read somewhere he hated the place ;D
He crashed his car and the locals were to afraid to go to him and that's how he died, well that's how the story goes...
He was very rarely named Blair Mayne, isn't their a film coming out shortly?
To be fair, he was a Lions player also, obviously sporting things were cut short because of the war, his story (if told well) should be very good
Quote from: themac_23 on November 25, 2021, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Yes Lurgan Celtic approached the council with regards to the lease of the pitch and instigated this. That's my understanding having spoken with Traceys ones. Open to being corrected...
I dont see how it would be Lurgan Celtics fault, they asked about leasing the facility if it was fit for their purpose, to be fit for their purpose and for the league they're gonna be playing in it has to meet certain criteria, so I assume LC approached the council said they would take the lease of the facility if X,Y,Z is met. The ball is then in the councils court, LC are looking out for their interests. this isnt anything to do with them
So it is OK if GAA club identifies two soccer pitches somewhere, in use by someone else, and goes to the council and say give us those pitches?
Quote from: armaghniac on November 25, 2021, 10:46:34 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 25, 2021, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Yes Lurgan Celtic approached the council with regards to the lease of the pitch and instigated this. That's my understanding having spoken with Traceys ones. Open to being corrected...
I dont see how it would be Lurgan Celtics fault, they asked about leasing the facility if it was fit for their purpose, to be fit for their purpose and for the league they're gonna be playing in it has to meet certain criteria, so I assume LC approached the council said they would take the lease of the facility if X,Y,Z is met. The ball is then in the councils court, LC are looking out for their interests. this isnt anything to do with them
So it is OK if GAA club identifies two soccer pitches somewhere, in use by someone else, and goes to the council and say give us those pitches?
I suppose it depends on who runs the council
Quote from: themac_23 on November 25, 2021, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Yes Lurgan Celtic approached the council with regards to the lease of the pitch and instigated this. That's my understanding having spoken with Traceys ones. Open to being corrected...
I dont see how it would be Lurgan Celtics fault, they asked about leasing the facility if it was fit for their purpose, to be fit for their purpose and for the league they're gonna be playing in it has to meet certain criteria, so I assume LC approached the council said they would take the lease of the facility if X,Y,Z is met. The ball is then in the councils court, LC are looking out for their interests. this isnt anything to do with them
How is this the case if they made the approach for the change? They set the wheels in motion.
Lurgan isnt short of community soccer pitches either. For once, they finally had 1 community GAA pitch.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 25, 2021, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 25, 2021, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Yes Lurgan Celtic approached the council with regards to the lease of the pitch and instigated this. That's my understanding having spoken with Traceys ones. Open to being corrected...
I dont see how it would be Lurgan Celtics fault, they asked about leasing the facility if it was fit for their purpose, to be fit for their purpose and for the league they're gonna be playing in it has to meet certain criteria, so I assume LC approached the council said they would take the lease of the facility if X,Y,Z is met. The ball is then in the councils court, LC are looking out for their interests. this isnt anything to do with them
How is this the case if they made the approach for the change? They set the wheels in motion.
Lurgan isnt short of community soccer pitches either. For once, they finally had 1 community GAA pitch.
But if they take the lease then they are funding it themselves? its about them looking for somewhere they can call their own, im sure they have a business plan in place and have approached the council, if it is viable and they accept it then it will be up to the council to try and accommodate a GAA facility elsewhere, its nothing to do with Lurgan Celtic, to make it viable for them they need certain criteria to be met. if that means it cant host GAA then thats on the council to make that decision, its nothing to do with Lurgan Celtic.
Example, if you're renting a house and the landlord decides to sell and someone buys it, is it the buyers fault you're out of your house or is it the landlord who sold it?
Quote from: armaghniac on November 25, 2021, 10:46:34 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 25, 2021, 08:48:57 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Yes Lurgan Celtic approached the council with regards to the lease of the pitch and instigated this. That's my understanding having spoken with Traceys ones. Open to being corrected...
I dont see how it would be Lurgan Celtics fault, they asked about leasing the facility if it was fit for their purpose, to be fit for their purpose and for the league they're gonna be playing in it has to meet certain criteria, so I assume LC approached the council said they would take the lease of the facility if X,Y,Z is met. The ball is then in the councils court, LC are looking out for their interests. this isnt anything to do with them
So it is OK if GAA club identifies two soccer pitches somewhere, in use by someone else, and goes to the council and say give us those pitches?
Yes, if they are proposing to take over a lease of the facility then yeah of course they can ask the question, again that facility would be no use to the GAA team as it stands so would have to be changed, so it would be up to the council to make that call, but the GAA club would have zero fault in that scenario.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2021, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 25, 2021, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2021, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 25, 2021, 08:03:09 AM
Quote from: grounded on November 24, 2021, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 24, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 24, 2021, 01:53:15 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
ABC carrying on the proud legacy left by Craigavon Borough Council...
https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan-news/lurgan-hurling-club-sean-traceys-member-to-take-legal-action-against-council-over-use-of-gaa-pitch/150092
The sad thing is, after all the work Sean Traceys put in to get this area suitable for GAA, it's actually Lurgan Celtic who are forcing the change. Lurgan is not short of community football pitches.
Antrim Borough Council being just as inclusive....
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/11/24/news/criticism-after-antrim-athletics-venue-renamed-centenary-stadium-2517122/
Sad. Reaching out the hand of friendship once again.
New Leisure Centre in Newtownards called the "Blair Mayne Wellbeing and Leisure Complex"..
Do you think it's because he played rugby for Ireland like a few others from the area?
Its strange they didn't use his proper name as he was called... Paddy Mayne by his friends, the English
They've a statue of him outside the town hall, not sure what is inscribed on it, couldn't be arsed looking and also a road named after him...
Think I read somewhere he hated the place ;D
He crashed his car and the locals were to afraid to go to him and that's how he died, well that's how the story goes...
He was very rarely named Blair Mayne, isn't their a film coming out shortly?
To be fair, he was a Lions player also, obviously sporting things were cut short because of the war, his story (if told well) should be very good
So were Phil Matthews and Nigel Carr who are associated with the local area yet no roads or leisure centres named after them....
Davy Tweed also played for Ards Rugby for a while as well, he'll be getting a plaque up somewhere I'm sure. ;)
It begs the questions
1. Why would Lurgan Celtic enquire about tannaghmore, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years?
2. Why would ABC council even consider it, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years
3. Why did ABC council not think to tell Seán Treacy's another party was enquiring about the lease, at the same time there was a tender out to erect goalposts and catch-nets?
Quote from: general_lee on November 25, 2021, 12:01:32 PM
It begs the questions
1. Why would Lurgan Celtic enquire about tannaghmore, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years?
2. Why would ABC council even consider it, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years
3. Why did ABC council not think to tell Seán Treacy's another party was enquiring about the lease, at the same time there was a tender out to erect goalposts and catch-nets?
I dont really think there is an issue with point 1, I dont understand how ya can get annoyed at them making an enquiry, they have to look after their own interests, the fact another club has been using the facility for 5 years isnt their concern.
2 & 3 are very valid, on 2, they should be clearly thinking about the fact that GAA pitches are already over subscribed in the area, and if anything should be putting wheels in motion for more.
Point 3 would be my biggest thing, surely if there is a chance that they are going to lease the pitch out to LC then it would be a total waste of taxpayers money to get catch nets and Gaelic posts.
I am in no way saying this should be happening, my point is that the anger shouldn't be towards Lurgan Celtic, it should be towards the council. Making it out that this is LC basically evicting Sean Traceys will just add to bad blood between soccer and GAA.
Is this not a case again of soccer clubs standing with their hands out waiting for tax payers to provide them with facilities?
Why if they want somewhere of 'their own' do they not fund raise and go and buy somewhere?
This attitude from soccer clubs of all hues of pure entitlement needs to be changed. Goes right from the top through the game, expecting tax payers to fund their past times.
Quote from: themac_23 on November 25, 2021, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 25, 2021, 12:01:32 PM
It begs the questions
1. Why would Lurgan Celtic enquire about tannaghmore, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years?
2. Why would ABC council even consider it, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years
3. Why did ABC council not think to tell Seán Treacy's another party was enquiring about the lease, at the same time there was a tender out to erect goalposts and catch-nets?
I dont really think there is an issue with point 1, I dont understand how ya can get annoyed at them making an enquiry, they have to look after their own interests, the fact another club has been using the facility for 5 years isnt their concern.
2 & 3 are very valid, on 2, they should be clearly thinking about the fact that GAA pitches are already over subscribed in the area, and if anything should be putting wheels in motion for more.
Point 3 would be my biggest thing, surely if there is a chance that they are going to lease the pitch out to LC then it would be a total waste of taxpayers money to get catch nets and Gaelic posts.
I am in no way saying this should be happening, my point is that the anger shouldn't be towards Lurgan Celtic, it should be towards the council. Making it out that this is LC basically evicting Sean Traceys will just add to bad blood between soccer and GAA.
Lurgan Celtic would always have had and continue to have a crossover of GAA players which makes it difficult to believe they'd seek out a facility that a GAA club has clearly been using.
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2021, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 25, 2021, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 25, 2021, 12:01:32 PM
It begs the questions
1. Why would Lurgan Celtic enquire about tannaghmore, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years?
2. Why would ABC council even consider it, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years
3. Why did ABC council not think to tell Seán Treacy's another party was enquiring about the lease, at the same time there was a tender out to erect goalposts and catch-nets?
I dont really think there is an issue with point 1, I dont understand how ya can get annoyed at them making an enquiry, they have to look after their own interests, the fact another club has been using the facility for 5 years isnt their concern.
2 & 3 are very valid, on 2, they should be clearly thinking about the fact that GAA pitches are already over subscribed in the area, and if anything should be putting wheels in motion for more.
Point 3 would be my biggest thing, surely if there is a chance that they are going to lease the pitch out to LC then it would be a total waste of taxpayers money to get catch nets and Gaelic posts.
I am in no way saying this should be happening, my point is that the anger shouldn't be towards Lurgan Celtic, it should be towards the council. Making it out that this is LC basically evicting Sean Traceys will just add to bad blood between soccer and GAA.
Lurgan Celtic would always have had and continue to have a crossover of GAA players which makes it difficult to believe they'd seek out a facility that a GAA club has clearly been using.
The ethos in groundball is inherently transient, its no surprise in a code where players might play for 5 different clubs locally in their playing days that clubs themselves also think little of tramping over others. Seen a video last night of the new Ballinderry community hub, I'd say its better equipped than anything belonging to the freeloaders in the IFA/FAI
Quote from: general_lee on November 26, 2021, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on November 25, 2021, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: general_lee on November 25, 2021, 12:01:32 PM
It begs the questions
1. Why would Lurgan Celtic enquire about tannaghmore, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years?
2. Why would ABC council even consider it, knowing full well Seán Treacy's have been using it for the last 5 years
3. Why did ABC council not think to tell Seán Treacy's another party was enquiring about the lease, at the same time there was a tender out to erect goalposts and catch-nets?
I dont really think there is an issue with point 1, I dont understand how ya can get annoyed at them making an enquiry, they have to look after their own interests, the fact another club has been using the facility for 5 years isnt their concern.
2 & 3 are very valid, on 2, they should be clearly thinking about the fact that GAA pitches are already over subscribed in the area, and if anything should be putting wheels in motion for more.
Point 3 would be my biggest thing, surely if there is a chance that they are going to lease the pitch out to LC then it would be a total waste of taxpayers money to get catch nets and Gaelic posts.
I am in no way saying this should be happening, my point is that the anger shouldn't be towards Lurgan Celtic, it should be towards the council. Making it out that this is LC basically evicting Sean Traceys will just add to bad blood between soccer and GAA.
Lurgan Celtic would always have had and continue to have a crossover of GAA players which makes it difficult to believe they'd seek out a facility that a GAA club has clearly been using.
Don't know a lot about the specifics, but there is no way that Lurgan Celtic would not have known that the hurling club have been using Tannaghmore Gardens as their base, especially given the erection of the posts and new catching nets etc.