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Tobias

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The future of laois hurling
« on: October 27, 2015, 08:08:58 PM »
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
 I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?

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Re: The future of laois hurling
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 09:32:33 PM »
 I have to agree with this. We need to stop fooling ourselves and work hard. In the short term, we really need our u21 team to reach a leinster final. This grade is neglected and this is a shame as we have a chance of competing at this grade. A successful year at u21 would do wonders for the senior set up in the long run.

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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2015, 03:09:04 PM »
there HAS been some good work done at underage level in the last 5-10 years and it is showing, in general. but it needs to be monitored and improved EVERY year. Laois seem to make 'bursts' every now and again to improve the underage set up but then it dies out after a couple of years. we need continuous monitoring and improvements/recommendations on a yearly basis. this must include our coaches aswell. are they doing their job properly, do they need help, do they need to be replaced. do the coaches need coaching? etc.

we have had some great results at underage level in recent years, this year was maybe a bad year but the 2/3 years before that had us competing and beating the likes of Tipp, Cork, Kilkenny, Clare. our Minors are lacking something, but not much. we SHOULD have beaten Kilkenny in O'Moore park 2 years ago in a semi final which would have set us up nicely to maybe win Leinster and who knows after that. our U21s got to the Leinster final in 2012 and were beaten well by Kilkenny. this year was a joke when it came to the u21s, cheddar couldnt possibly look after 2 teams fully so it was left to someone else, and they did F-all training etc, the interest wasnt even there from the players.

weve done some good work but the whole thing needs a kick in the arse and we need to up our game big time. county board need to stop sitting on their hands and get out and fight for more funding for us, travel the country to see what other underage set ups are like, do this with Cheddar and the new U21 and minor coaches. come up with new plans from that.

after that i would bring in all club representatives/secretaries/trainers/whoever and involve all hurling clubs in the new plans and try to lift the standard of hurling within the county. this is very important. club and intercounty teams need to all be developing and getting better side by side.

the hunger for success in this county is growing and growing, and it needs to be fed soon.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2015, 04:20:31 PM »
in my opinion there needs to be a big shake up from county board down,....  there is a level of complacency in laois hurling that needs to change.... I dont understand why we dont look at other counties to see their training structures ( we might even learn something).  We need the attitude of "its not who you are but how you can hurl" brought in from juvenile right up and not be happy with beating 1 or 2 teams and NEARLY beating others.  I dont know if its a lack of confidence or what but we seem to believe what we.ve listened to for years.....sure its only laois.  Its time to change that thinking

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2015, 03:33:45 PM »
"The policy, approved by GAA Central Council last June on the back of a recommendation from the Football Review Committee and a proposal from the National Games Development Committee, will require all Inter-County management teams in both hurling and football to contain an Award 2 coach from 2016. All Club management teams must contain an Award 1 Coach. From 2018 the Head Coach in both cases must be qualified at the appropriate level."

the above is taken from - https://www.gaa.ie/coaching-and-games-development/news/1101142013-mandatory-coaching-standards-for-2016-announced-at-liberty-insurance-gaa-games-development-conference/

in light of the above, does anyone know the situation with coaching courses? i have contacted a few people, Ciaran Muldowney being one(hurling coaching contact on the Laois GAA website), and have got no reply from anyone. if they are going to bring in rules like the above then they need to have courses a lot more available than they are at present. they usually only run around this time of year but i cant get info on when the next one is etc.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2015, 03:41:42 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 04:09:45 PM »
fair play Redsetanta!
i didnt see that! Is that just for football??
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 04:20:44 PM »
It does seem to be just football, award 1. I would be more interested in the hurling. Do you have to have the foundation course done first or is it possible to skip that?
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2015, 11:24:52 AM »
First Laois meeting of the year on Friday.

Cheddar has work to do to get some of his most experienced players back on board for 2016.

Paul O' Shea from Abbeyleix has been confirmed as Laois minor manager for 2016. Can't say I know much about him to be honest.
Shane Corby and Tony Doran are the U21 managers.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2015, 08:18:29 PM »
Never heard of Paul O Shea before, hurling circles are small in laois so it seems a strange appointment. He has a good bunch of players to work with anyway and let's hope they do well.

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2015, 03:07:35 PM »
"The policy, approved by GAA Central Council last June on the back of a recommendation from the Football Review Committee and a proposal from the National Games Development Committee, will require all Inter-County management teams in both hurling and football to contain an Award 2 coach from 2016. All Club management teams must contain an Award 1 Coach. From 2018 the Head Coach in both cases must be qualified at the appropriate level."

the above is taken from - https://www.gaa.ie/coaching-and-games-development/news/1101142013-mandatory-coaching-standards-for-2016-announced-at-liberty-insurance-gaa-games-development-conference/

in light of the above, does anyone know the situation with coaching courses? i have contacted a few people, Ciaran Muldowney being one(hurling coaching contact on the Laois GAA website), and have got no reply from anyone. if they are going to bring in rules like the above then they need to have courses a lot more available than they are at present. they usually only run around this time of year but i cant get info on when the next one is etc.

From recollection, the time I did my course they were on in January and February. This makes perfect sense to me as it is the time of the year when club mentors for the coming season are confirmed. I was talking to Ciaran at the U13 finals last Saturday and he confirmed that there will be two Award One courses and a number of foundation courses as well as a workshop this winter/spring. The dates for these are not confirmed yet but they will be sent to clubs as soon as they are known. Keep in contact with your club secretary, he/she should be able to give you this info when it comes out. From my dealings with the two hurling officers I cant keep speak highly enough of them. They are a constant source of help, advice and information and any time I ask them to come out to our club they are always available, often til very late at night or on a Saturday and I put a lot of our success in recent years down to the help we get from them. I think hurling in Laois is on a very good road and we have a lot to be thankful for.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2015, 04:48:41 PM »
thanks 'zooming' ill keep my ear to the ground so.
for anyone who has already done the courses, did you find them good/helpful??

not sure who Paul O'Shea is but i do know Abbeyleix have done some great work at underage level in the last number of years, maybe he was part of that?
best of luck to all.
as for the seniors, i didn't think they would be missing many this year? and hopefully Darren Maher can come back in, senior player of the year, it would be a shame to have that accolade and not be part of the set up for 2016.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2015, 10:44:28 AM »
thanks 'zooming' ill keep my ear to the ground so.
for anyone who has already done the courses, did you find them good/helpful??

not sure who Paul O'Shea is but i do know Abbeyleix have done some great work at underage level in the last number of years, maybe he was part of that?
best of luck to all.
as for the seniors, i didn't think they would be missing many this year? and hopefully Darren Maher can come back in, senior player of the year, it would be a shame to have that accolade and not be part of the set up for 2016.
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It's a while ago since I did it but it's 7 nights and contains a lot of good content. Some of the tutors are very good too, we had the likes of Brendan Hayden who was brilliant. Pat Critchley and Ciaran Muldowney did two nights each and they were good. Its a good course but its a big commitment.

with regard to Paul I have to say I was surprised. He has been an excellent coaching co-ordinator in our club.

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2015, 10:29:49 AM »
Unconfirmed retirements from the senior panel: Tommy Fitzgerald , John A Delaney , Dayne Peacock , Joe Fitzpatrick

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2015, 10:41:27 AM »
John A and Tommy would be huge losses; words couldn't do justice to the gaping hole Joe Fitzpatrick would leave...

Those lads owe us nothing and I thank them for what they have done but I seriously hope we haven't seen the last of them in a Laois jersey!

I don't believe Zane Keenan was at the first meeting either though he could have been involved with the Shinty squad maybe? I understand he was exceptional over in Scotland.
I understand Darren Maher, Joe Phelan, Willie Dunphy have all committed.