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Title: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on October 27, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: beano on October 27, 2015, 09:32:33 PM
 I have to agree with this. We need to stop fooling ourselves and work hard. In the short term, we really need our u21 team to reach a leinster final. This grade is neglected and this is a shame as we have a chance of competing at this grade. A successful year at u21 would do wonders for the senior set up in the long run.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 28, 2015, 03:09:04 PM
there HAS been some good work done at underage level in the last 5-10 years and it is showing, in general. but it needs to be monitored and improved EVERY year. Laois seem to make 'bursts' every now and again to improve the underage set up but then it dies out after a couple of years. we need continuous monitoring and improvements/recommendations on a yearly basis. this must include our coaches aswell. are they doing their job properly, do they need help, do they need to be replaced. do the coaches need coaching? etc.

we have had some great results at underage level in recent years, this year was maybe a bad year but the 2/3 years before that had us competing and beating the likes of Tipp, Cork, Kilkenny, Clare. our Minors are lacking something, but not much. we SHOULD have beaten Kilkenny in O'Moore park 2 years ago in a semi final which would have set us up nicely to maybe win Leinster and who knows after that. our U21s got to the Leinster final in 2012 and were beaten well by Kilkenny. this year was a joke when it came to the u21s, cheddar couldnt possibly look after 2 teams fully so it was left to someone else, and they did F-all training etc, the interest wasnt even there from the players.

weve done some good work but the whole thing needs a kick in the arse and we need to up our game big time. county board need to stop sitting on their hands and get out and fight for more funding for us, travel the country to see what other underage set ups are like, do this with Cheddar and the new U21 and minor coaches. come up with new plans from that.

after that i would bring in all club representatives/secretaries/trainers/whoever and involve all hurling clubs in the new plans and try to lift the standard of hurling within the county. this is very important. club and intercounty teams need to all be developing and getting better side by side.

the hunger for success in this county is growing and growing, and it needs to be fed soon.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 28, 2015, 04:20:31 PM
in my opinion there needs to be a big shake up from county board down,....  there is a level of complacency in laois hurling that needs to change.... I dont understand why we dont look at other counties to see their training structures ( we might even learn something).  We need the attitude of "its not who you are but how you can hurl" brought in from juvenile right up and not be happy with beating 1 or 2 teams and NEARLY beating others.  I dont know if its a lack of confidence or what but we seem to believe what we.ve listened to for years.....sure its only laois.  Its time to change that thinking
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 06, 2015, 03:33:45 PM
"The policy, approved by GAA Central Council last June on the back of a recommendation from the Football Review Committee and a proposal from the National Games Development Committee, will require all Inter-County management teams in both hurling and football to contain an Award 2 coach from 2016. All Club management teams must contain an Award 1 Coach. From 2018 the Head Coach in both cases must be qualified at the appropriate level."

the above is taken from - https://www.gaa.ie/coaching-and-games-development/news/1101142013-mandatory-coaching-standards-for-2016-announced-at-liberty-insurance-gaa-games-development-conference/

in light of the above, does anyone know the situation with coaching courses? i have contacted a few people, Ciaran Muldowney being one(hurling coaching contact on the Laois GAA website), and have got no reply from anyone. if they are going to bring in rules like the above then they need to have courses a lot more available than they are at present. they usually only run around this time of year but i cant get info on when the next one is etc.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 06, 2015, 03:41:42 PM
Don't know if that's any use to you!


http://www.laoisgaa.ie/news/368279/Award_1_Youth_Adult_Nov_Dec_2015_Heywood (http://www.laoisgaa.ie/news/368279/Award_1_Youth_Adult_Nov_Dec_2015_Heywood)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 06, 2015, 04:09:45 PM
fair play Redsetanta!
i didnt see that! Is that just for football??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 06, 2015, 04:20:44 PM
It does seem to be just football, award 1. I would be more interested in the hurling. Do you have to have the foundation course done first or is it possible to skip that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on November 08, 2015, 11:24:52 AM
First Laois meeting of the year on Friday.

Cheddar has work to do to get some of his most experienced players back on board for 2016.

Paul O' Shea from Abbeyleix has been confirmed as Laois minor manager for 2016. Can't say I know much about him to be honest.
Shane Corby and Tony Doran are the U21 managers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on November 08, 2015, 08:18:29 PM
Never heard of Paul O Shea before, hurling circles are small in laois so it seems a strange appointment. He has a good bunch of players to work with anyway and let's hope they do well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 09, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on November 06, 2015, 03:33:45 PM
"The policy, approved by GAA Central Council last June on the back of a recommendation from the Football Review Committee and a proposal from the National Games Development Committee, will require all Inter-County management teams in both hurling and football to contain an Award 2 coach from 2016. All Club management teams must contain an Award 1 Coach. From 2018 the Head Coach in both cases must be qualified at the appropriate level."

the above is taken from - https://www.gaa.ie/coaching-and-games-development/news/1101142013-mandatory-coaching-standards-for-2016-announced-at-liberty-insurance-gaa-games-development-conference/

in light of the above, does anyone know the situation with coaching courses? i have contacted a few people, Ciaran Muldowney being one(hurling coaching contact on the Laois GAA website), and have got no reply from anyone. if they are going to bring in rules like the above then they need to have courses a lot more available than they are at present. they usually only run around this time of year but i cant get info on when the next one is etc.

From recollection, the time I did my course they were on in January and February. This makes perfect sense to me as it is the time of the year when club mentors for the coming season are confirmed. I was talking to Ciaran at the U13 finals last Saturday and he confirmed that there will be two Award One courses and a number of foundation courses as well as a workshop this winter/spring. The dates for these are not confirmed yet but they will be sent to clubs as soon as they are known. Keep in contact with your club secretary, he/she should be able to give you this info when it comes out. From my dealings with the two hurling officers I cant keep speak highly enough of them. They are a constant source of help, advice and information and any time I ask them to come out to our club they are always available, often til very late at night or on a Saturday and I put a lot of our success in recent years down to the help we get from them. I think hurling in Laois is on a very good road and we have a lot to be thankful for.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 09, 2015, 04:48:41 PM
thanks 'zooming' ill keep my ear to the ground so.
for anyone who has already done the courses, did you find them good/helpful??

not sure who Paul O'Shea is but i do know Abbeyleix have done some great work at underage level in the last number of years, maybe he was part of that?
best of luck to all.
as for the seniors, i didn't think they would be missing many this year? and hopefully Darren Maher can come back in, senior player of the year, it would be a shame to have that accolade and not be part of the set up for 2016.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 10, 2015, 10:44:28 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on November 09, 2015, 04:48:41 PM
thanks 'zooming' ill keep my ear to the ground so.
for anyone who has already done the courses, did you find them good/helpful??

not sure who Paul O'Shea is but i do know Abbeyleix have done some great work at underage level in the last number of years, maybe he was part of that?
best of luck to all.
as for the seniors, i didn't think they would be missing many this year? and hopefully Darren Maher can come back in, senior player of the year, it would be a shame to have that accolade and not be part of the set up for 2016.
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It's a while ago since I did it but it's 7 nights and contains a lot of good content. Some of the tutors are very good too, we had the likes of Brendan Hayden who was brilliant. Pat Critchley and Ciaran Muldowney did two nights each and they were good. Its a good course but its a big commitment.

with regard to Paul I have to say I was surprised. He has been an excellent coaching co-ordinator in our club.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jimmy P on November 12, 2015, 10:29:49 AM
Unconfirmed retirements from the senior panel: Tommy Fitzgerald , John A Delaney , Dayne Peacock , Joe Fitzpatrick
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on November 12, 2015, 10:41:27 AM
John A and Tommy would be huge losses; words couldn't do justice to the gaping hole Joe Fitzpatrick would leave...

Those lads owe us nothing and I thank them for what they have done but I seriously hope we haven't seen the last of them in a Laois jersey!

I don't believe Zane Keenan was at the first meeting either though he could have been involved with the Shinty squad maybe? I understand he was exceptional over in Scotland.
I understand Darren Maher, Joe Phelan, Willie Dunphy have all committed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: grover on November 16, 2015, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Jimmy P on November 12, 2015, 10:29:49 AM
Unconfirmed retirements from the senior panel: Tommy Fitzgerald , John A Delaney , Dayne Peacock , Joe Fitzpatrick
Add Willie Hyland, Brian Stapleton, Jimmy Walsh,Conor Dunne.Serious rebuilding task ahead.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 16, 2015, 04:38:07 PM
Why would Willie Hyland retire?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 16, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
Good jesus, we cannot seriously be losing all these lads???
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on November 16, 2015, 06:09:33 PM
From what I've heard Tommy Fitz, John A, Butch jimmy Walsh Conor Dunne Joe campion Dayne peacock have all opted out/retired
Willie Hyland will return after the Christmas break, he's just finished with C/B and is getting married, well entitled to a break

Fixtures out for the league, Kerry at home, Offaly away, Clare at home limerick away our first 4 games
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 17, 2015, 03:17:21 PM
Not good to hear of some of these retirements / opt outs, particularly with some of the younger guys like Joe Campion. Still, won't believe them until the start of the year. Often lads change their minds over the winter months.

On a side note, we need to be getting more younger guys involved. Was looking at a programme from 2010 the other day, against Dublin I think, and it was almost the same team as lined out in the championship in 2015.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TheGreatGame on November 20, 2015, 12:08:43 PM
Leaving a Laois perspective aside for the moment, this is a problem all counties outside the top few in each code are facing.  I'd be really fearful for the future of intercounty hurling and football unless something drastic is done.  How long will payers be willing to sacrifice their late teens and twenties to hurl and kick football?  I don't use the word sacrifice lightly, but it's no exaggeration to say that a county training regime demands practically all of a persons free time.  The G.A.A have created a monster by letting managers slog players from as early as October/November and train up to 6 times a week.  To even hold their ground then other counties have to match this, but the strong will get stronger and the weaker will simply fall off the radar.  The only solution I can think of is for the G.A.A to cap the number of times a county can train/meet up to a maximum of three per week, including whatever match may be at the weekend.  Put a cap on how much a player can receive in mileage per week, have massive fines/loss of home venue for any county caught in breach of these rules.  The appetite for such change won't be there unfortunately until the GAA is hit where it hurts, when the the attendances fall and the money stops rolling in.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: south Laois on November 20, 2015, 01:06:12 PM
As lifelong Laois supporter I've been saying this for a while. The GAA don't  care about Laois and the other smaller counties. Look how we were treated in the summer when our hurlers and footballers were forced to play in two different venues at times where it was next to impossible to get to both games. Would that happen to Dublin or Cork? The GAA would be happy with just the elite in both codes and forget about the rest. In future I'll only attend Laois games and won't be going to any more games as a neutral.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on December 02, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
What are the ages of the lads retiring?
Joe Fitz, John A, Tommy Fitz, Butch, Jimmy Walsh, Zane, Dayne and Conor Dunne all gone I hear.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 02, 2015, 11:18:26 AM
definitely too much training going on, thats why some of these lads are retiring. although ill wait and see who actually retires... i would be surprised if all these names are retiring.
they are back training already. some of those lads have got no break whatsoever from training/hurling. lads are bound to get sick of it eventually. i have heard of a few clubs that are back training already too, none that i heard are in Laois but still, ridicules!

i believe ages are as follows -

Quote from: SCFC on December 02, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
What are the ages of the lads retiring?
Joe Fitz, 31, John A, 29, Tommy Fitz, 32, Butch, 27, Jimmy Walsh, 32, Zane, 27, Dayne ? must be still very young though, and Conor Dunne 28, all gone I hear.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on December 02, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
Wow disappointing to say the least really thought John A and Joe Fitz would give it one more year probably our two best backs.

Butch will be a loss as will tommy.

Can't understand Zane or Joe Campion leaving but it leaves Laois a lot weaker that's for sure!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 02, 2015, 02:27:48 PM
i see 'Friends of Laois Hurling' have posted a picture of Joe Fitz, Tommy, John A, Jimmy Walsh and Butch thanking them for their service etc.
the one im most surprised about is Butch. but look, as mentioned before, its too much of a commitment for some. something else would have to suffer, be it college, work or family, very hard on them to keep everything going. GAA need to look at this big time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TheGreatGame on December 02, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
First of all a huge thanks to those players who are calling it a day.  Lesser men would have jumped ship years ago, and these lads have gone through some really dark years with the county.  Real commitment is found in counties like Laois where the chance of glory is remote.  Anyone would train all year with the Kilkenny's and Kerry's where All-Irelands, holidays away etc. are all but guaranteed.  These lads can walk away with their heads held high, and I'm delighted they will have the memory of being part of the panel that finally got a big win for the county against Offaly.  It may have been a small win in the grand scheme of things, but for us it was massive.

As for where it leaves Laois, well these guys were not going to go on forever.  Joe Fitz is an anomaly in that he just seems to get better with age and there is no doubt he will be a huge loss.  Age and injury have taken a toll on a lot of these guys and in my view it's the right time for some of them to take a step back.  For sure Cheddar now has a huge task to build a competitive team with a young panel, but no better man to have the reigns.  It's up to our younger players to stand up now.  Ross King, Picky, Paddy Purcell, Neil Foyle and more have what it takes to be real leaders for us now, and we will need them.  I expect Joe Campion to be back with Laois at some stage, a break away from hurling for a bit may be the best thing for the lad.  Then we have the lads fresh from minor coming in, Mark Kav, Fonzi, Ryan Mullaney and  Leigh Bergin have plenty of potential so it will be interesting to see how they adapt to the senior set up.  Darren Maher is also a huge addition and in his current form should nail down the full back position and perhaps release Healy to a position more natural to him.

It's certainly not all doom and gloom, but patience and realistic ambitions may well be needed for the coming year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on December 03, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: TheGreatGame on December 02, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
First of all a huge thanks to those players who are calling it a day.  Lesser men would have jumped ship years ago, and these lads have gone through some really dark years with the county.  Real commitment is found in counties like Laois where the chance of glory is remote.  Anyone would train all year with the Kilkenny's and Kerry's where All-Irelands, holidays away etc. are all but guaranteed.  These lads can walk away with their heads held high, and I'm delighted they will have the memory of being part of the panel that finally got a big win for the county against Offaly.  It may have been a small win in the grand scheme of things, but for us it was massive.

As for where it leaves Laois, well these guys were not going to go on forever.  Joe Fitz is an anomaly in that he just seems to get better with age and there is no doubt he will be a huge loss.  Age and injury have taken a toll on a lot of these guys and in my view it's the right time for some of them to take a step back.  For sure Cheddar now has a huge task to build a competitive team with a young panel, but no better man to have the reigns.  It's up to our younger players to stand up now.  Ross King, Picky, Paddy Purcell, Neil Foyle and more have what it takes to be real leaders for us now, and we will need them.  I expect Joe Campion to be back with Laois at some stage, a break away from hurling for a bit may be the best thing for the lad.  Then we have the lads fresh from minor coming in, Mark Kav, Fonzi, Ryan Mullaney and  Leigh Bergin have plenty of potential so it will be interesting to see how they adapt to the senior set up.  Darren Maher is also a huge addition and in his current form should nail down the full back position and perhaps release Healy to a position more natural to him.

It's certainly not all doom and gloom, but patience and realistic ambitions may well be needed for the coming year.

Excellent Post mate.....Hopefully Zane can stay on as well I see he and a few more got picked for Leinster a nice swansong for Joe!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 03, 2015, 01:52:39 PM
Well said there 'The GreatGame'

I agree with your sentiments but 5 lads retiring at the same time will be hard to take. They are not just panel members either. Joe Fitz was MOTM on more than one occasion over the last couple of years and looked like he could play for years to come. The winter slog is probably the killer for the older lads, especially the ones with family etc. Butch is young enough to be calling it a day. I know he had a couple of bad days in the office this year but he has been brilliant for us on other days.

I wouldn't rely on Zane to be honest. He was on the Shinty this year and is involved with Leinster which wouldn't have been the case if he wasn't hurling county. I still feel he should have got a nomination for a All Star. With Zane it has been a year with the county and then a year out so on that basis probably won't see him this year.  With the retirements he should be encouraged to stay involved because he is one of the best on his day and young lads need players like that around them.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 03, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-unrest-revealed-ive-considered-driving-the-car-into-a-ditch-rather-than-train-in-the-winter-muck-34254856.html

Interesting read.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on December 12, 2015, 10:52:54 AM
Keenan could be available in the new year. He has work commitments at present but I understand management hope to have him on board well before the league starts.
Would be a significant boost given the raft of players opting out.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on December 12, 2015, 02:32:41 PM
Keenan definitely back in the new year
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 14, 2015, 02:21:12 PM
Former Dublin physical trainer Ross Corbett is on board with the Laois Senior hurlers this year,
Approx 20 of a panel training at the moment, 5 nights a week, all physical, 2 gym sessions, 3 field running sessions per week
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 14, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
Jaysus. fair play to those lads. 5 nights a week in December.

It's not done for fun anymore, it's a lifestyle to be a intercounty player nowadays.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 15, 2015, 08:52:32 AM
Quote from: Ogie on December 14, 2015, 02:21:12 PM
Former Dublin physical trainer Ross Corbett is on board with the Laois Senior hurlers this year,
Approx 20 of a panel training at the moment, 5 nights a week, all physical, 2 gym sessions, 3 field running sessions per week

if thats true, that is a joke.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 15, 2015, 02:58:24 PM
Hard to see what choice they have.

If they want to retain div 1 status, we have to be out of the blocks early and other teams are doing 5 nights between gym and cardio sessions. Hard slog in this weather, some commitment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 15, 2015, 04:35:06 PM
5 nights a week, all physical, is too much, id be hoping 1 or 2 of those sessions would be recovery sessions but apparently not. also there should be no one back before January, that is actually a rule by the GAA but its not really enforced. its a rule put there for a reason. its about keeping lads mentally fresh too. its not all about the body. we'll see how fresh they are come Championship i guess.
as redsetanta said, being a county player is a lifestyle now, maybe that's why the likes of Butch are retiring at a young age. if its starting to interfere with home/work/college. 5 nights physical training in December, where will it end.
each to their own but thats my take on it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Podge72 on December 15, 2015, 06:06:28 PM
Tipp have a squad of 40 in doing 5 nights a week since the start of the month.

Before that,they were on personalized S and C programmes.

as a Tipp man exiled up here,it's fairly obvious that the bulk of the laois team have some catching up to do in terms of S and C.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 17, 2015, 10:47:25 AM
Quote from: Podge72 on December 15, 2015, 06:06:28 PM
Tipp have a squad of 40 in doing 5 nights a week since the start of the month.

Before that,they were on personalized S and C programmes.

as a Tipp man exiled up here,it's fairly obvious that the bulk of the laois team have some catching up to do in terms of S and C.

You only have to watch the game against Galway last year to see that. Too light altogether.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on December 17, 2015, 02:58:08 PM
5 nights of cardio and gym work... Hopefully they getting plenty of calf nuts if they are going to beef up a bit!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on January 14, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 14, 2016, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: Ogie on January 14, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved

They had 50 lads training hard before Christmas! Some effort, commitment and another indicator of how far we have come. A long way from getting a few lads together in April and we'll see what happens. No shortage of serious young talent.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: CruiseCigar on January 14, 2016, 08:34:46 PM
Some commitment by all. Hope it pays off now for them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 14, 2016, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on January 14, 2016, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: Ogie on January 14, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved

They had 50 lads training hard before Christmas! Some effort, commitment and another indicator of how far we have come. A long way from getting a few lads together in April and we'll see what happens. No shortage of serious young talent.

When is the last time something like this happened with a Laois minor hurling team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on January 15, 2016, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on January 14, 2016, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: Ogie on January 14, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved

They had 50 lads training hard before Christmas! Some effort, commitment and another indicator of how far we have come. A long way from getting a few lads together in April and we'll see what happens. No shortage of serious young talent.

When is the last time something like this happened with a Laois minor hurling team?

It has been happening for the past five years 'keyser'. The set-up under Pat Critchley and Cheddar before him has been top class. Cheddar brought about a huge change in professionalism, commitment and raised the standards. So to me, it's not all that new, but it is great to hear that the new management have carried on from the great work done in the past few years.
Hopefully Pat will rejuvenate the under age structure again, I really feel that this is the area we need to be focusing on to try and close the gap further. We have made strides in the past few years from minor to senior but below that more work and new initiatives are required. I think There are good hurling men in laois that are determined to make it happen.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 15, 2016, 12:19:13 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 14, 2016, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on January 14, 2016, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: Ogie on January 14, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved

They had 50 lads training hard before Christmas! Some effort, commitment and another indicator of how far we have come. A long way from getting a few lads together in April and we'll see what happens. No shortage of serious young talent.

When is the last time something like this happened with a Laois minor hurling team?

Not for about 10 years now thankfully. I think it is fair to say that there is about a decade of sustained underage work at this point. It will probably need another 10 if we are going to be winning senior honours but at least the journey is underway. I remember too well despairing at watching Laois minor teams and U21 teams who were cobbled together and got awful hidings through the 90s and early 2000s and a couple of humiliations including a beating by Meath (no disrespect).

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 15, 2016, 07:49:57 PM
Tobias- you missed my point.

Blue & White- I think you are perhaps thinking of 30 years ago as opposed to 10 years ago. I would separate minor from U21.
U21 is a "pain in the arse" grade at both club and county level from a preparation point of view. It can be impossible to prepare properly.

Back to the main point.
In the past 25 years the following people (and others who I cannot think of) have been in charge of Laois minors;

Christy Jones
Pat Delaney
Mick Scully
John Taylor/PJ Cuddy
Martin Cashin (I think??)
Tom Hassett
Vincent McKenna
Mattie Collier
Tony Ryan
Seamus Plunkett
Pat Critchely

I am definitely missing a few in there.

A right variety of characters but I don't think any of them could be accused of "cobbling teams together".

That is nonsense talk. Some of the set ups were not great but very few lacked effort or good intentions.

For at least the last 10-15 years serious "pre-season" work has gone into the minors.
Before that preparation would have been of its time and in line with what was happening in other counties.
Our problems were

1) A lack of technical work done at younger ages
2) A lack of interest among players
3) The attraction of being a Laois Minor Footballer from about 1995-2005.
4) An insistance (where players would comply and weren't replaceable) that players would not play both codes from football managements.

It is fantastic that the minor management are putting work in.
Let's hope they are not just working hard, but working clever. Players at this age have a lot going on. Training and preparation should be aimed at having them ready, fresh AND enthusiastic for championship hurling.
The previous management managed this in 2013, but failed badly in this regard in 2014 & 2015.

You cannot underestimate the importance of freshness and enthusiasm approaching the targeted peak time of your season.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 18, 2016, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 15, 2016, 07:49:57 PM
Blue & White- I think you are perhaps thinking of 30 years ago as opposed to 10 years ago. I would separate minor from U21.

LMHC 2008:

KK 6-18, LS 1-08
WX 5-19, LS 2-11
MH 0-13, LS 1-07

Not 30 years ago.

My general point was a positive one, huge improvement in standards, interest levels, coaching hours and coaching standards. Some great results over recent years too and ambitions have improved. For it to sustain we really need to be winning a Leinster minor or U-21 in the next 5 years or so or there is a danger that momentum will be lost. We shouldn't forget the odd hammering we have gotten from KK in the last few years either. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 18, 2016, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on January 18, 2016, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 15, 2016, 07:49:57 PM
Blue & White- I think you are perhaps thinking of 30 years ago as opposed to 10 years ago. I would separate minor from U21.

LMHC 2008:

KK 6-18, LS 1-08
WX 5-19, LS 2-11
MH 0-13, LS 1-07

Not 30 years ago.

My general point was a positive one, huge improvement in standards, interest levels, coaching hours and coaching standards. Some great results over recent years too and ambitions have improved. For it to sustain we really need to be winning a Leinster minor or U-21 in the next 5 years or so or there is a danger that momentum will be lost. We shouldn't forget the odd hammering we have gotten from KK in the last few years either.

But your talking about two different things.
Preparation and results

Length of preparation time was your original point?
The & results were terrible almost every year for a 20 year period. Doesn't mean they didn't put time into it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 19, 2016, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 18, 2016, 06:09:26 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on January 18, 2016, 09:10:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 15, 2016, 07:49:57 PM
Blue & White- I think you are perhaps thinking of 30 years ago as opposed to 10 years ago. I would separate minor from U21.

LMHC 2008:

KK 6-18, LS 1-08
WX 5-19, LS 2-11
MH 0-13, LS 1-07

Not 30 years ago.

My general point was a positive one, huge improvement in standards, interest levels, coaching hours and coaching standards. Some great results over recent years too and ambitions have improved. For it to sustain we really need to be winning a Leinster minor or U-21 in the next 5 years or so or there is a danger that momentum will be lost. We shouldn't forget the odd hammering we have gotten from KK in the last few years either.

But your talking about two different things.
Preparation and results

Length of preparation time was your original point?
The & results were terrible almost every year for a 20 year period. Doesn't mean they didn't put time into it.

Depends what you mean by preparation. 10 years ago, preparation started with getting lads together at 17 or 18 and forming a minor team in the spring to play that summer. Now, they are together at U14 consistently up to Minor with a huge amount of coaching and competition. This happened in patches before, now it is routine. That was my secondary point. My main point is that there is huge work, interest and commitment which needs to be built upon year after year. Preparing a minor team starts at Cumman na mBunscoil / U8s / U12s etc. and by building a brand and an identity with Laois hurling (setanta etc.). 50 lads pushing for a minor team in December is a strong indicator of all that coming together. If we keep that going the results will come.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on January 19, 2016, 05:33:00 PM
Would fully agree with BlueandWhite 1 on this. It's great to see the effort and interest that's there at the moment.

That's not to suggest of course that previous regimes didn't put in the time and effort. I'm sure they made their contributions to get us to where we are now. Still, to have 50 lads involved in a minor hurling team in Laois is a fantastic achievement for all current and past mentors.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 19, 2016, 11:40:52 PM
Blue & White we are on two different wave lengths - I give up!

I applaud the effort of the current minor squad (whilst also preaching caution re freshness!)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2016, 11:48:21 PM
Came across this. How times have changed!

15 years ago this Summer we seemed to be on the brink of a breakthrough. Then the CB Chairman went a bit crazy late in the year and all that had been built up was destroyed.

Still that day in Nowlan Park was a brilliant experience. The first time in 15 or so years that Laois had recorded a significant Leinster Championship win. Leaving Kilkenny that day I never expected to wait another 14 years for another one.

I can still remember reacting to the Declan Conroy fist pump (long before Waterford starting doing it!!!) and Paul Cuddy's goal.

Watch here (from 32 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7y1VpQxfco
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on January 29, 2016, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2016, 11:48:21 PM
Came across this. How times have changed!

15 years ago this Summer we seemed to be on the brink of a breakthrough. Then the CB Chairman went a bit crazy late in the year and all that had been built up was destroyed.

Still that day in Nowlan Park was a brilliant experience. The first time in 15 or so years that Laois had recorded a significant Leinster Championship win. Leaving Kilkenny that day I never expected to wait another 14 years for another one.

I can still remember reacting to the Declan Conroy fist pump (long before Waterford starting doing it!!!) and Paul Cuddy's goal.

Watch here (from 32 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7y1VpQxfco

My first memory watching Laois senior hurlers as a chap. The cadet bottles were hit hard that day! 😃👍🏻
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 29, 2016, 11:09:47 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/it-carlow-121-dcu-18-34406144.html

It's great to see some of our lads leading the line in a comprehensive win for IT Carlow.

Roddy King playing for UCD yesterday aswell.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 13, 2016, 02:05:20 PM
Highlights of the Celtic championship under 17 game v Waterford City.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL4RAFa1AwtRYn-227-neUfPhKNNeWp_Gn&v=rLjJ89rE8s4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL4RAFa1AwtRYn-227-neUfPhKNNeWp_Gn&v=rLjJ89rE8s4)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 01, 2016, 12:02:20 AM
Carlow have announced Colm Bonnar as their new hurling manager. Offaly have announced Brian Carroll as Director of hurling coaching. Suppose our County Board have been sitting on their hands since our championship exit?! Probably hoping Cheddar stays on again so they dont have to do anything.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 01, 2016, 08:26:54 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 01, 2016, 12:02:20 AM
Carlow have announced Colm Bonnar as their new hurling manager. Offaly have announced Brian Carroll as Director of hurling coaching. Suppose our County Board have been sitting on their hands since our championship exit?! Probably hoping Cheddar stays on again so they dont have to do anything.
You want them to kick down Cheddars door and demand an answer?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 01, 2016, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 01, 2016, 08:26:54 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 01, 2016, 12:02:20 AM
Carlow have announced Colm Bonnar as their new hurling manager. Offaly have announced Brian Carroll as Director of hurling coaching. Suppose our County Board have been sitting on their hands since our championship exit?! Probably hoping Cheddar stays on again so they dont have to do anything.
You want them to kick down Cheddars door and demand an answer?

Kicking down the door is a bit much, a knock would do!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on September 02, 2016, 11:37:37 AM
Whether Cheddar stays on is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Hurling at county level needs to be completely overhauled from the setanta programme up to senior. Similar to what is happening in offaly. What's happening in laois to change things....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 05, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Goon win for Abbeyleix Gaels at the weekend in the minor hurling replay. Also great to see a Wolfhill man playing his part, being 1 of 3 Ballypickas players on the team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 05, 2016, 01:09:31 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on September 05, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Goon win for Abbeyleix Gaels at the weekend in the minor hurling replay. Also great to see a Wolfhill man playing his part, being 1 of 3 Ballypickas players on the team.

Yes, fair play to Abbeyleix. No surprise at all that they are winning at this level and so comprehensively. They are putting in huge work.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
Cheddar gone.
Now we are f**ked.
Can see several players not returning also.
Miles behind the other counties searching for replacements. Level with Offaly (and they have a fair headstart on us in their search).

Give it to Arien Delaney.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on September 24, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
Sad news.

There is more to this than meets the eye as Cheddar had agreed to do one more year but with significant changes to his backroom setup.
The idea then was that he would move back to steer our development squads.

It feels like we are back to the Teddy McCarthy times...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 24, 2016, 01:35:52 PM
A sad day for Laois,a man who put his heart soul and money into the Laois set up


Davy's available
All we need is a €1m budget p.a to renumerate him and his 29 man support team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: welcomehome on September 24, 2016, 01:46:52 PM
sorry to hear about cheddar...did a lot for laois hurling..we have neither football or hurling manager now.... :(
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 24, 2016, 01:48:09 PM
He is a great hurling man and a great Laois man, great respect for all that he has done. But im glad hes gone. Time for the county board to step up now. This will be a crucial appointment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 24, 2016, 01:48:09 PM
He is a great hurling man and a great Laois man, great respect for all that he has done. But im glad hes gone. Time for the county board to step up now. This will be a crucial appointment.

Suggestions?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: County baller on September 24, 2016, 02:05:18 PM
I don't think we'll benefit hugely from an outside appointment. The most sensible thing to do would be to give it to Arien Delaney who has been watching the championship. I have a feeling we're going to be in for a tough few years now until our younger players come up. There are definitely some talented minors from the past few years who are about to burst onto the scene in the next few years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 24, 2016, 02:08:11 PM
The county board to step up? Well, we could be surprised, but plainly we don't have the money for a 'big name', and we don't want an untested outsider, either. I'd say it'll nearly have to be from within the county.

Yes, it is a great pity Cheddar has gone - he has put a lot into what is a thankless task. I hope he can remain involved in underage development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on September 24, 2016, 02:26:43 PM
Merman, as usual you are spot on.

Cheddar had agreed to stay on another year, I was looking forward to seeing the make up of his back room team.
However the County Board would not back Cheddars plans for Laois Hurling for the next few years so it appears he has walked away in frustration.

I do believe he should be Development Officer/Director of hurling in charge of Laois hurling & its coaches from top to bottom, and it would be a n even better role for him than County Manager.

Thanks for your huge efforts Cheddar, & for those days against Galway & Offaly where the hair stood on the back of my neck supporting my County my Hurling team in Portlaoise, I'll remember those two days & the crowd forever

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: County baller on September 24, 2016, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: Ogie on September 24, 2016, 02:26:43 PM
Merman, as usual you are spot on.

Cheddar had agreed to stay on another year, I was looking forward to seeing the make up of his back room team.
However the County Board would not back Cheddars plans for Laois Hurling for the next few years so it appears he has walked away in frustration.

I do believe he should be Development Officer/Director of hurling in charge of Laois hurling & its coaches from top to bottom, and it would be a n even better role for him than County Manager.

Thanks for your huge efforts Cheddar, & for those days against Galway & Offaly where the hair stood on the back of my neck supporting my County my Hurling team in Portlaoise, I'll remember those two days & the crowd forever

Well said
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 24, 2016, 09:16:47 PM
Sad to hear Cheddar is gone. Some very memorable days in O'Moore Park. Ogie i would add Clare in the league quarter final to that. When Reddin hit that goal the roof nearly came off of the stand. I really hope Cheddar is given the top job in Laois hurling because once he's involved we'll only get better. It's imperative the CB keep him on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 24, 2016, 09:35:55 PM
If the CB wouldn't back him for one more year as senior manager then what's to say they would back him as Director of hurling or whatever role he'd go for. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on September 25, 2016, 09:00:58 AM
Cheddar should take the power off these idiots who won't back him and stand for county board chairman himself. Cheddar could lead Laois GAA forward.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on September 25, 2016, 05:40:37 PM
Fair play to Cheddar, people think Laois hurling was at rock bottom after the Cork defeat in 2011, it could have got even lower. Literally no one wanted the job but Cheddar took up the reins and got some pride back in the jersey.  He did a great job with limited talent. He would be an ideal person to oversee player development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on September 27, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
The problem now is where do we go from here ..? A lot of players played for Cheddar ,not many other men in Laois would have the same influence . Hopefully Cheddar will have a say in who we appoint going forward .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on September 27, 2016, 11:30:10 AM
If the county board were unwilling to fund cheddar, who has probably saved them alot of money over the last few years, the chances are that they are unwilling to go out and spend big on a outside manager. I actually felt that cheddars time should of been up after this year, for all the good he has done since 2013 it seemed to go stale and their was regression this year, partly due to a number of retirements to be fair. If they are going to go with a laois man I think that the number 1 target should be Niall Rigney again. He is proven with Laois and has achieved success since his last stint too. Another possibility I could see would be Arien Delaney from Camross, who I felt has done a great job with that team considering where they were before he took over.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 27, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
Do you think he'd get a couple of the Camross boys to commit?
I don't think it'll be Rigney.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on September 27, 2016, 12:21:45 PM
What camross lads were you thinking ? G Burke ZKeenan
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 27, 2016, 12:24:59 PM
Yes, them's the very ones I was thinking of!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on September 27, 2016, 12:26:00 PM
Arien Delaney would be an interesting option . Honestly couldnt see Niall Rigney getting involved with the Senior Hurlers again.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 27, 2016, 02:58:13 PM
Brendan Cummins?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 27, 2016, 03:25:15 PM
In fairness even under Cheddar it was hard to get Camross lads to commit.

A manager should not be chosen based on whether or not Camross lads will commit.

If Rigney wanted it I'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on September 27, 2016, 06:14:44 PM
I have nothing but respect for Niall Rigney but he has had a very difficult year with Lisdowney.
I know we won't have many banging down the door looking for the job but I would be inclined to look elsewhere.

Arien Delaney would probably have been my first choice but I think he has a different commitment lined up.

I'm inclined to think we need to look at an overall package rather than one man. Someone like Kevin Martin or Ken Hogan could be an option as manager with names like Paul Cuddy, John O' Sullivan, Eamonn Kelly, John Taylor, Cyril Duggan, Noel Delaney, Eamon Jackman and Tommy Kenna to come in as selectors/coaches. Outsiders that come to mind for a similar role would be Eddie Brennan, Michael Kavanagh or Tommy Dunne.

I'd have a fear that the pot for a decent Hurling setup could be quite on the empty side seeing as we seem to have appointed an outside manager, coach and 2 selectors for our football team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on September 27, 2016, 06:25:07 PM
Pat Critchley is he available ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: County baller on September 27, 2016, 06:33:46 PM
I think Pat is driving his new hurling pathways plan atm so he's not available!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 27, 2016, 07:48:43 PM
Just to clarify lads if management for minor and under 21 is vacant ?
Looking at Eamon Jackman would be a good option at underage and minor level. High regard from previous Laois minor players who worked under them.
The big thing in Laois hurling as well as Cheddar stepping down but also drop in standards at Setanta level from previous years. Hopefully that can be sorted to enhance player development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on September 27, 2016, 08:12:03 PM
Shane Corby has been retained as U21 manager.
It's not confirmed or anything but plenty around the county would have heard that Arien Delaney is the incoming Minor manager.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 27, 2016, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: merman on September 27, 2016, 08:12:03 PM
Shane Corby has been retained as U21 manager.
It's not confirmed or anything but plenty around the county would have heard that Arien Delaney is the incoming Minor manager.

Heard something along those lines also Merman had to be sure. Should be a nice few Camross youngsters on it anyways as they won u16 championship in 2015, regardless if Arien Delaney takes post. Best wishes to him if he does!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 27, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
I take it that minor is still u-18 at county level next year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 27, 2016, 08:30:02 PM
As far as I know the motion to change minor from u18 to u17 will take place in 2018 at intercounty level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 28, 2016, 10:23:10 AM
Why the delay, what's stopping this happening next year seeing as most counties have club u17 games this year?

On the hurling post, if there is supposed to be outside investment for the football appointment is it not time that there was a similar arrangement for the hurling post? Surely there are enough people with vested interest to put some money into the set up. What about an umbrella group something like 'Friends of Laois hurling' who would raise funds etc.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:06:24 AM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jim-gavin-urges-rivals-to-demand-funding-from-croke-park-380586.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/when-it-comes-to-financial-clout-dublin-are-in-whole-different-league-35065255.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/o-fearghail-agrees-dubs-funding-needs-review-380186.html

Have a read of these articles, and tell me we shouldnt be doing more to get extra funding from GAA HQ. Tell me we shouldnt be fighting tooth and nail, and getting other 'smaller' counties to come together and take a stand for equal, or at least, a fairer funding/support setup. Dublin has received more funding than the other 31 counties combined for the last few years. Its a disgrace and everyone just sits back and accepts it! Theres loads of other articles too! Our county board are useless and spineless.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 28, 2016, 11:12:05 AM
That they are. That they are.

Cheddar and Zoom went with plans, and were told to f**k off by Croke Park. Croke Park dont give a f**k. Accept it, and find another way. Stop bitching and start doing. That road is closed. Find another, or lie down and die.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:53:59 AM
Cheddar was told to f**k off by our own county board!!

Wise council though, accept the blatant inequalities etc and just beg other people for money...  ::)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 28, 2016, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:53:59 AM
Cheddar was told to f**k off by our own county board!!

Wise council though, accept the blatant inequalities etc and just beg other people for money...  ::)
He was told to f**k off my you plenty of times on here too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 01:41:30 PM
Yes, whats your point?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on September 28, 2016, 03:42:25 PM
I hear the next man in will be another Laois man!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 28, 2016, 04:45:13 PM
They have someone already? Janey.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 28, 2016, 10:35:42 PM
Any names mentioned for senior post or too early to say?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.

So its more money, more coaches, better facilities, more equipment?
Structures and support networks are nice buzz words- very general though.

For someone who was so keen to see the back of Mr. Plunkett I'd have thought there was something more concrete going to come.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:00:34 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.

So its more money, more coaches, better facilities, more equipment?
Structures and support networks are nice buzz words- very general though.

For someone who was so keen to see the back of Mr. Plunkett I'd have thought there was something more concrete going to come.

Here Keyser, less of the stupid bullshit digs and more sensible comments that actually contribute, stop making a fool of yourself!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 28, 2016, 11:01:07 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.
So no other solutions then.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:02:57 PM
And Don you can jog on back to the football threads, maybe someone there finds you as hilarious as you find yourself! 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 28, 2016, 11:09:34 PM
Tipp have 4 GDO's,1 for each division,so it's not just about throwing money at the problem,it's much more nuanced than that.

How many national schools here would run lunchtime or after school leagues and that's just 1 example where the approach in Tipperary or Kilkenny is radically different from that of here.

People here laud cheddar and Critchley for the hurling work they do,go into any club in Tipp or KK and there's a cheddar or Critchley in situ in each club.

Even a simple thing as juvenile pitch's aren't  up to scratch here,compare them again to what's available in KK or Tipp and don't come whining about grants or croke park,most of them were put in on the backs of their members.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:00:34 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.

So its more money, more coaches, better facilities, more equipment?
Structures and support networks are nice buzz words- very general though.

For someone who was so keen to see the back of Mr. Plunkett I'd have thought there was something more concrete going to come.

Here Keyser, less of the stupid bullshit digs and more sensible comments that actually contribute, stop making a fool of yourself!

No digs at all. All facts. Stevie Wonder can see that we need the stuff you suggested above. There is nothing intelligent or remarkable about it. Every club and county in the country would say they wanted that list.
The crux of it is that you wanted Cheddar gone. You were clear about that. That's your choice. Now that it's happened what do you suggest?
Nothing as far as I can see. It reminds me a little of the Brexit campaigners.

"Making a fool of yourself".....ye.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:35:59 PM
Keyser im not trying to sound "intelligent or remarkable"! Just offering an opinion, part of the discussion of whats wrong and how we can fix it! Which is a hell of a lot more than you're doing! You keep having a go at what people are saying yet you contribute f**k all!! I dont have all the answers, never claimed to! Its a f**king discussion! If even Stevie Wonder can see whats needed then why isnt being tackled?!
And clonadmad is right, its not all about money, but i think its a fair chunk of it! KK and Tipp have had great success at almost every level for a while now, its that bit easier to get volunteers and sponsors in counties like that. Laois needs a push and it needs help.
I agree with Mermans take on it that we need a kind of package deal with a few good coaches for the senior job, and i would agree with most of the names he mentioned too. 

What do YOU think Keyser?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 11:59:47 PM
Jesus Christ.

There is no blank cheque on the way from Croke Park. Can you please accept that. How many different posters here have to spell that out for you?

So basically now we have gotten to the end of your ideas and they are as follows;
1) More Money
2) More Coaches
3) Whatever Merman says.

Yes you are really contributing.

The issue I have is that you spent the last year/year and a half SHOUTING for Cheddar to go- and now that it has happened- you have absolutely nothing to suggest of your own thinking.

My first solution would have been to back Cheddar's proposal to the CB. I believe that it is a decision we will live to regret.
Now that it hasn't happened the only solution I see is for Arien Delaney to get the job (Please read back to find this). Nobody else within Laois has proved themselves anywhere near capable. Nobody of sufficient calibre outside of Laois will want the job. They are the facts Mr. O' Tool. You should be careful what you wish for.

Maybe we should go banging Croke Park's door down asking them to pay Davy €200k to manage us.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 12:36:32 AM
 ;D you're still making a fool of yourself, and still contributing nothing! I never mentioned a blank cheque!??
I said i agree with most of the names Merman mentioned, i wouldnt go with Arien Delaney though, dont think hes our man! Hes not even liked in Camross! I agree with a lot of what Merman has to say because he talks sense a lot!
Careful what you wish for?! Get a life will ya! Also, no one outside the county wants the job? Thats not a fact thats your opinion! Do you happen to know what his proposal was? Sounds like you do? Although, as ive mentioned already, im sure that it was for the benefit of Laois hurling. Im with Cheddar on a lot of things, he spouts on more about extra funding from croke park more than i do!! I just dont want him as senior hurling manager! I hated his tactics. Another opinion! I just want a good hurling coach or coaches, who want to play hurling, continue the pro set up cheddar brought in, train to a high standard, encourage the players to express themselves on the field, and have a go, rather than sit back and defend and shoot from 50/60 yards! That was depressing and it didnt work! Oh yea it did one day against Offaly sorry.
Now bore off and annoy someone else!  ::)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 29, 2016, 09:43:30 AM
Is the reason arien delaney is disliked down to the fact he is origionally a kyle man, im not taking the piss its just ive found camross to be a fierce tribal place
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
You're  having a laugh Finnbar if you think Arien Delaney is not liked in Camross. Up there they don't play politics with their hurling and Arien always got the  best from their players and I can assure you he is well liked for that
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 10:13:19 AM
As for being fierce tribal Ballyroan, Camross and Kyle  have played together underage since time began.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 10:41:43 AM
Quote from: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
You're  having a laugh Finnbar if you think Arien Delaney is not liked in Camross. Up there they don't play politics with their hurling and Arien always got the  best from their players and I can assure you he is well liked for that

Just going on what a few Camross people have told me!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2016, 10:54:38 AM
Who is this Finabr O Tool idiot.

People like you are exactly why we needed moderators on laoistalk.com and why it was eventually removed.

Calm yourself down there. Toys back in the pram. Good lad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:01:32 AM
Thanks for your input Tony! Valuable contribution!  ;)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2016, 11:12:21 AM
Yeah. Your posts read like an spoilt 12-year-old who has just found the internet for the first time with a laptop that his mother gave him for his birthday. Much appreciated that you've taken that advice on board. Cheers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 29, 2016, 11:17:52 AM
Lads, ye may not agree with finbar's opinions but no need to be having a go at him personally. He's entitled to his opinion the same as everyone else.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:21:11 AM
That makes no sense whatsoever Tony but thanks for trying! And you're suggesting in immature?! Another one who should stick to the football!  :D
Cheers redsetanta!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 29, 2016, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on September 29, 2016, 11:17:52 AM
Lads, ye may not agree with finbar's opinions but no need to be having a go at him personally. He's entitled to his opinion the same as everyone else.
Personal? He just fired about a rumor that insulted all of Camross and Arien Delaney. All from behind his his anonymous username. Sorry but he's well able to throw it out so he should take it as well
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2016, 11:50:51 AM
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but there's a way of delivering your opinion that doesn't give everyone else a headache. Also getting very personal about delaney and camross which is out of line. He needs to calm down.

PS we're entitled to have an interest in both football and hurling, believe it or not.

Sounds like you need to calm down, relax and take a little break from the keyboard finbar.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on September 29, 2016, 12:06:16 PM
Just be careful posting sh*te here lads. If it's damaging to a person's reputation, you could be looking down the barrel of a lawsuit. I don't think "I was being sarcastic" or "twas only a joke" will help you in court.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
 :o jaysus lads im perfectly calm, yere the ones firing shots! Dont shoot the messenger, im only saying what 3 different Camross people told me! Relaying info that he wasnt liked, if thats "getting very personal" then apologies for that! Im not out to offend anyone, certainly not the whole of Camross!  :D i thought this was a forum discussing hurling and possible manager options for the senior team?! As far as i can see the likes of Don, Tony and Keyser are able leave digs and smart ass comments about my, and others, posts on here and now IM a keyboard warrior or something?! Get a f**king grip will ye!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on September 29, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
Jeez just because someone cant name a replacement for Cheddar they shouldnt want him gone?
I would agree with some of Finbars points and no I dont have all the answers either.
If anyone here had all the answers I would expect they would be in the running for County Chairman!!

Cheddar cannot be faulted for his passion for Laois hurling and I would love to see him in some position in the County Board but I do feel that his time as manager is gone. Arien Delaney would not be a favourite of mine for the job either. (no, I dont have the answers)

Leave out the personal attacks and also the attacks on those who have a different opinion!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 29, 2016, 01:27:32 PM
Quote from: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
You're  having a laugh Finnbar if you think Arien Delaney is not liked in Camross. Up there they don't play politics with their hurling and Arien always got the  best from their players and I can assure you he is well liked for that

Yeah but plenty of rivals are joined at underage, and camross would have taken lads off of kyle down through the years, they had no problem providing gilmartin an address when he left in 2013
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 03:01:47 PM
But Ballyroan why would this be a reason you give as to why Arien is disliked in Camross
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 29, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
From what i i know brian whelan was the first manager they had from outside the club and it didnt go down too well with some, there are probably people in camross who see him as an outsider still, to be fair theres a good chance im wrong
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 03:28:18 PM
OK fair play to you Ballyroan, just think Laois could do a lot worse and have Cheddar in the picture as overall director of Laois hurling
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 29, 2016, 03:39:14 PM
Taken from the friends of Laois Hurling Facebook page.


An open letter from Cheddar:

"In stepping down from the role of Laois Senior hurling team manager I would like to take the opportunity to thank people who were very helpful along the journey.

To begin with I would like to express my gratitude to CLG Laois, and in particular to Chairman Gerry Kavanagh, for affording me the huge honour to manage my county team and for supporting the team. The privilege of leading a group of Laois hurling warriors on championship Sundays will not be surpassed wherever one goes.

I would like to express real gratitude to my fellow management colleagues over the past four years for the support and the dedication they have given to the team and to me personally.

I am also very grateful to the Laois hurling clubs for their support to our county players in their preparations for League and Championship games and I am really thankful to all of the underage coaches in each club who give unstinting and mostly unappreciated service to improving their players so that they are capable of stepping up to senior club and inter-county hurling.

Clubs also made their facilities available to us at different times and this was always done in the most positive and supportive way.

I would also like to pay tribute to all Laois hurling supporters who followed our team to some distant places and though results may not have went our way they patiently turned up again the next day to unconditionally support our players. The support given to the team at our games in O'Moore Park was extra special and memorable and meant an awful lot to the team and management.

I also appreciate the fair and balanced reporting of all of our games by all media outlets. In particular the respect shown to our players by our local newspapers and radio is sincerely acknowledged.

Lastly but most importantly I would particularly like to express my deep gratitude to all the Laois players who committed so earnestly to the Laois senior hurling team for the last four years. I greatly valued the support and respect shown to me and the other members of the management team and I will take very happy memories and lasting friendships from my time as manager.

Your total dedication to the hard training necessary to improve our performance standards and our county's standing, perhaps best demonstrated by your commitment to preparing for the All Ireland qualifiers in each of the four years, is to be admired. It is very easy to do that when you are regularly playing in League, Leinster or All-Ireland finals but when that prize is not as closely within your reach then it needs much greater character and love of place to commit yourself to the task.

Indeed that commitment was even more tested for those players who may not have got the playing opportunities of others. These are the real heroes I admire in every county panel. You are an exceptional group of players and, notwithstanding that CLG Laois has much immediate work to do at development level, I predict a bright future for the present Laois senior hurling team in the coming years.

I believe that the incoming management has a very dedicated and skilful young panel to work with, who will be coming into their peak performance years, and the job now comes with attractions. I would like to wish the new manager and his management team the very best for the future.

I also realise there is some ongoing conversation about the matter but I would prefer that we all move on and instead quickly get on with the work to put in place a new senior management team to lead the team forward in 2017.

Thanks again to everyone for your support.

Yours sincerely

Cheddar"
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on September 29, 2016, 04:54:59 PM
A man with a bit of class.

Fair play to him. I know the style of hurling wasn't to everyone's liking but he brought a passion and commitment to the setup that was missing for years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 08:36:29 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on September 29, 2016, 04:54:59 PM
A man with a bit of class.

Fair play to him. I know the style of hurling wasn't to everyone's liking but he brought a passion and commitment to the setup that was missing for years.

That's it exactly, and not a bit surprising!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 08:36:47 PM
Finbar,
All I ever asked of you was what would you suggest. All you seemed able to reply was "look for more money off Croke Park" and then more "coaches etc" and then "what Merman said". (Obviously they are not exact quotes).
All I have been doing is saying that somebody who effectively campaigned on here for Cheddar to go for I would say at least the last 12 months has surely at some stage thought of a replacement?
You've told me twice to "stop making a fool of yourself"- (makes no sense in the context of our discussion btw) while you have told at least two posters that they should "stick to the football threads". I suggested Arien Delaney in the first post on Cheddar going. You don't agree with him getting it either. Again as is your entitlement. Have you posted a single suggestion as  manager? Apologies If you have and I missed it.
Nobody has asked Finbar for all the answers- just a single concrete suggestion would be useful when the poster in question has been looking for change for a long time. I don't understand how you could be chanting (metaphorically speaking!) "Cheddar out!" for 12-18 months and never even consider who'd replace him.
Finally, Finbar,you are correct in saying that I don't know that no outside people are interested. I never said that! I could retype what I actually said, but if you couldn't read it properly the first time I don't see the point!
I have no problem posting back and forth but please leave out things like "stop making a fool of yourself", "get a life", "stick to the football", "if you don't leave me alone I'll get Merman to beat you up" and all that kind of stuff.
Cheers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: beano on September 29, 2016, 08:56:57 PM

Hard to know who will get it. In a dream world Anthony Daly!! What about someone like Conor Gleeson from Tipp?

A big effort is needed next year with our underage. I wonder from the original Setanta Coaches that brought through, Cha Dwyer, PJ scully , and the likes of Joe Campion are they still involved in the Setanta Programme?. Has it changed that much that we are not bringing through skillful hurlers??

Whats the story with our development squads? Are we just fulfilling fixture or is there actually coaching going on?

Apart from Mountrath is there much work as in proper coaching going on in the other schools?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 09:40:29 PM
Rathdowney Errill's Brian Young is quite highly rated and well connected. Would he be worth a shot?

It's hard to see the likes of Brendan Cummins giving up the handy media work to do a job like this.

Unfortunately nobody is going to put the work that Cheddar did into it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on September 29, 2016, 10:11:47 PM
Does anyone know the reason why cheddar decided to resign?? How did he go from arranging his back room team to resigning in a few days. In his letter he had only good words to say about Geery Kavanagh and the co board. Gerry Kavanagh stated that there was no fall out and that he didn't know why cheddar had resigned.
Don't want to be too pessimistic but this could set us back further than we ever have been.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 29, 2016, 10:16:55 PM
Quote from: Tobias on September 29, 2016, 10:11:47 PM
Does anyone know the reason why cheddar decided to resign?? How did he go from arranging his back room team to resigning in a few days. In his letter he had only good words to say about Geery Kavanagh and the co board. Gerry Kavanagh stated that there was no fall out and that he didn't know why cheddar had resigned.
Don't want to be too pessimistic but this could set us back further than we ever have been.
I suspect you're not being pessimistic, in fact, deadly accurate and possibly optimistic.

Cheddar was too much of a gentleman to say anything that could damage Laois Hurling. I think we can all read between the lines. We didn't know what we had. We will when its gone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 08:36:47 PM
Finbar,
All I ever asked of you was what would you suggest. All you seemed able to reply was "look for more money off Croke Park" and then more "coaches etc" and then "what Merman said". (Obviously they are not exact quotes).
All I have been doing is saying that somebody who effectively campaigned on here for Cheddar to go for I would say at least the last 12 months has surely at some stage thought of a replacement?
You've told me twice to "stop making a fool of yourself"- (makes no sense in the context of our discussion btw) while you have told at least two posters that they should "stick to the football threads". I suggested Arien Delaney in the first post on Cheddar going. You don't agree with him getting it either. Again as is your entitlement. Have you posted a single suggestion as  manager? Apologies If you have and I missed it.
Nobody has asked Finbar for all the answers- just a single concrete suggestion would be useful when the poster in question has been looking for change for a long time. I don't understand how you could be chanting (metaphorically speaking!) "Cheddar out!" for 12-18 months and never even consider who'd replace him.
Finally, Finbar,you are correct in saying that I don't know that no outside people are interested. I never said that! I could retype what I actually said, but if you couldn't read it properly the first time I don't see the point!
I have no problem posting back and forth but please leave out things like "stop making a fool of yourself", "get a life", "stick to the football", "if you don't leave me alone I'll get Merman to beat you up" and all that kind of stuff.
Cheers.

Stop making a fool of yourself Keyser!  ;D

"This could set us back further than we have ever been"
Don: you're possibly being optimistic.

Ah jaysus lads, you'd swear the only man who ever knew anything about hurling just died!

What Giovanni said about cheddar was spot on.

Theres no point throwing a name out there for the sake of it if you dont know what a man is like as a coach! Seen as i HAVE to pick someone to replace cheddar or Keyser is going to have a breakdown and Merman might kick my ass, i would pick, Tom Mullally, if i could! He has great experience, and a great record, yet not too much of a big name that he would break the bank.
Thats my tuppance worth!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:22:39 PM
After all your pleading for me to give you a name, thats all i get?!  :'(

Admit it, you just googled Tom Mullally didnt you!  ;)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 11:31:14 PM
It is  becoming clearer that Tool that you don't actually realise the difference Cheddar made in the past 4 years. The change he (and nobody else brought about). Even that wasn't enough.

There are clever guys cherrypicking around the club scene that wouldn't touch a low ranking intercounty job with a barge pole. I'd include a certain Mr. K. Hogan in that. Not a criticism of theirs, an observation.

If we appoint an outsider, I will be shocked if it is someone of the calibre required. Time will tell.

I am with Don here. I can see the arse falling off our senior intercounty team. I hope I am wrong
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:22:39 PM
After all your pleading for me to give you a name, thats all i get?!  :'(

Admit it, you just googled Tom Mullally didnt you!  ;)

Hardly.
If you want to play it like this. I was pleading with you to stop talking shite. But you don't seem hectic at picking things up.

It took you 18 months to come up with a name. Well done. Take a well earned break now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 30, 2016, 08:47:31 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 11:31:14 PM
I am with Don here. I can see the arse falling off our senior intercounty team. I hope I am wrong
It will give me no pleasure to be right here. None whatsoever.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on September 30, 2016, 12:29:12 PM
At the end of the day we will prObably always struggle to break into the top 8 In hurling.
Somewhere between 10th and 14th seems to be where we always lie.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on October 01, 2016, 07:57:43 AM
Laois might be better served if cheddar was to become director for hurling in the county. Ideally this would be a full time position but I don't know whether that's possible for a number of reasons. Cheddar has given everything to the senior hurlers in the past four years while still maintaining his profession. Could he put in the same time and effort into the director of hurling role (as an amateur) if it wasn't feasible full time? It would be a big ask of the man but there's no doubting the incredible passion and love he has for his county. It's been said on many occasions but this man HAS to stay involved and he HAS to be given the support for HQ an Co. Board level to drive hurling on in the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tony on October 07, 2016, 11:48:06 AM
Saw a headline today "Davy Fitzgerald on verge of Surprising New Appointment" .....

Got excited for a second only to find out he's on the verge of joining Wexford. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2016, 12:45:32 AM
Who is there?

Arien Delaney, Niall Rigney, Paul Cuddy, David Cuddy, Brian Young, Ken Hogan, Kevin Martin, John O' Sullivan, Kevin Martin, Joe Dooley.......
I can't think of too many more who would actually be possibilities. KK were beaten in Offaly, Martin Fogarty would hardly be interested?

Also, unless Cheddar is even more super human than I imagined, expecting him to take up a "Director of Hurling" type role, when he resigned as Senior manager because some faction (players/executive/clubs) didn't want to support him in continuing on, is a bit rich.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 08, 2016, 09:16:15 AM
Lots of rumours doing the rounds that John O' Sullivan is the front-runner for this.

I'd be surprised if we look outside the county and in terms of playing/coaching at a high level, O' Sullivan is arguably better matched than anyone else previously mentioned.
I'd maintain that it's the overall management team that is crucial; I'd be quite happy if he was a part of it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on October 08, 2016, 09:36:08 AM
I fear for laois hurling, we as a county had the chance to let cheddar put a strategic vision for the future of laois hurling in place but the cb blew it because they are muppets who don't give a sh1t about hurling in laois, we are not a duel county we are a football county where hurling is tolerated as an afterthought.We will get the cheapest possible option in now as mgr and I guarantee this time next year we will have dropped a division in hurling and won't last long in senior hurling . It breaks my heart to say it but we are are fecked and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 08, 2016, 09:44:48 AM
I understand your pessimism but I was talking with a former player and he made a very valid point.

We simply don't have the requisite pool of intercounty level hurlers to make any tangible progress in the short to medium term.
Perhaps we might be better served to have Cheddar and Pat Critchley working with out Development Squads and trying to impact change in the long-term.

Our Senior panel for next year, following retirements over the last couple of years, will be very young but at a level somewhere between 10th-15th in the country. A new coach with a fresh emphasis might keep things progressing but essentially we're only doing what all other counties at our level are doing; we're falling even further behind those counties ahead of us.

We need a fundamental change at juvenile level. The Setanta programme was a decent first step but we have a long, long road still to travel. Leave our current Games and Development Officer to handle the football side, if the clubs so choose, but give Cheddar control of the 2 Hurling GDAs and the Juvenile Hurling processes. Then we might see a change...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2016, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: merman on October 08, 2016, 09:44:48 AM
give Cheddar control of the 2 Hurling GDAs and the Juvenile Hurling processes. Then we might see a change...

Do you think he would take that on?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 08, 2016, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2016, 02:06:35 PM
Quote from: merman on October 08, 2016, 09:44:48 AM
give Cheddar control of the 2 Hurling GDAs and the Juvenile Hurling processes. Then we might see a change...

Do you think he would take that on?

I don't honestly know. 
The more I think about Laois hurling, the more convinced I am that we need a complete overhaul from bottom to top. We need to bring through a better standard of juvenile club hurler to drive up the levels required to make the intercounty panels.

I heard a suggestion that Cheddar will go into work with our U13s/14s. I'm sure he would do great work but we just need someone to make sure that we are getting the highest standard of hurlers from the earliest age possible.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 08, 2016, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: portlaoisekid on October 08, 2016, 09:36:08 AM
I fear for laois hurling, we as a county had the chance to let cheddar put a strategic vision for the future of laois hurling in place but the cb blew it because they are muppets who don't give a sh1t about hurling in laois, we are not a duel county we are a football county where hurling is tolerated as an afterthought.We will get the cheapest possible option in now as mgr and I guarantee this time next year we will have dropped a division in hurling and won't last long in senior hurling . It breaks my heart to say it but we are are fecked and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
Hear here.

We get what we deserve in this county. Some brave souls have tried over the decades to save hurling, but they end up geting blackguarded by their own because thats the Laois way.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Sanny on October 09, 2016, 07:50:59 PM
Looking at today's county final it must sicken Cheddar to see at lot of his players stand up and be counted in the best possible way . Whoever couldn't see past their own agenda and seek support for Cheddar's plan for Laois hurling should be ashamed of themselves ? If this were a business, the board would be questioned after countless ridiculous decisions?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on October 11, 2016, 01:25:10 PM
I watched the highlights of the county final on TG4, it really showed the skill level is in Laois hurlers. I know there is a big difference between club and county but the raw materials are there for incoming management. It highlights a couple of things regarding Cheddar's reign, 1. The players that have been on the county panel under his training have obviously improved vastly from it, 2. the downside was Cheddar focused on a damage limitation plan where this game showed Laois players might be better suited to an attacking brand of hurling, most of the scores were of serious quality for all angels and distances. Laois CB would do well to make Cheddar as player development office or some such title to help get the standard of the underage players up.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ClashAsh on October 11, 2016, 02:23:20 PM
Quote from: Joeythelips on October 11, 2016, 01:25:10 PM
I watched the highlights of the county final on TG4, it really showed the skill level is in Laois hurlers. I know there is a big difference between club and county but the raw materials are there for incoming management. It highlights a couple of things regarding Cheddar's reign, 1. The players that have been on the county panel under his training have obviously improved vastly from it, 2. the downside was Cheddar focused on a damage limitation plan where this game showed Laois players might be better suited to an attacking brand of hurling, most of the scores were of serious quality for all angels and distances. Laois CB would do well to make Cheddar as player development office or some such title to help get the standard of the underage players up.

Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2016, 02:40:27 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.
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Would have to agree totally with this
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2016, 05:55:20 PM
I guess we'll see next year if this is the case.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 11, 2016, 06:20:37 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2016, 02:40:27 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.



Would have to agree totally with this
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Nail on the head!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2016, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on October 11, 2016, 06:20:37 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2016, 02:40:27 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.



Would have to agree totally with this

Nail on the head!
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I think ye are being deliberately selective in what you are reading from the original.
Surely it is fair to say that the structures, physical conditioning programme and exposure to top level preparation and coaching that Laois players have been exposed to in the last few years has improved them. A huge number of players on show last Sunday were part of this.

I am not saying that Cheddar was/is the only man capable of delivering this type of set up, but he was without the question the first man to ever put this in place for Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
Without doubt as I, ve said before cheddar did bring pride back to Laois hurling and nobody could ever critise his commitment to Laois.
His style of hurling wouldnt be something id be a fan of and after the final on Sunday I will stand by that.
To see 15 on 15 going hard for scores and not giving an inch is something we havent seen for a long time and I for one would  love to see more of that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on October 11, 2016, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2016, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on October 11, 2016, 06:20:37 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2016, 02:40:27 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.



Would have to agree totally with this

Nail on the head!

I think ye are being deliberately selective in what you are reading from the original.
Surely it is fair to say that the structures, physical conditioning programme and exposure to top level preparation and coaching that Laois players have been exposed to in the last few years has improved them. A huge number of players on show last Sunday were part of this.

I am not saying that Cheddar was/is the only man capable of delivering this type of set up, but he was without the question the first man to ever put this in place for Laois.
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Niall rigney seemed to have a fairly professional set up to be fair
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2016, 09:30:25 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 11, 2016, 07:54:28 PM
Niall rigney seemed to have a fairly professional set up to be fair

He did, but nothing like the past couple of years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on October 11, 2016, 11:54:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2016, 09:30:25 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 11, 2016, 07:54:28 PM
Niall rigney seemed to have a fairly professional set up to be fair

He did, but nothing like the past couple of years.

Maybe not but tactically far superior
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on October 12, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
Rigney  had never the same financial backing that was in place during Cheddars reign .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on October 12, 2016, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2016, 06:49:08 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on October 11, 2016, 06:20:37 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2016, 02:40:27 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.



Would have to agree totally with this

Nail on the head!

I think ye are being deliberately selective in what you are reading from the original.
Surely it is fair to say that the structures, physical conditioning programme and exposure to top level preparation and coaching that Laois players have been exposed to in the last few years has improved them. A huge number of players on show last Sunday were part of this.

I am not saying that Cheddar was/is the only man capable of delivering this type of set up, but he was without the question the first man to ever put this in place for Laois.
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This is the point I was making, I did not mean Cheddar thought these guys to play hurling or was a tactical expert, I mean he brought in a level of professionalism that has greatly improved our players. It would be very foolish to say otherwise. I am not saying the management of both clubs had no part in it, but what percentage of time did the county panellists train with the clubs in last couple of years compared to county training sessions? I just mean Cheddars hard work is bearing fruit for our hurlers. Tactically he did not bring out the best in them but that was his call. For this reason I would have him overseeing our underage player development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 12, 2016, 07:22:43 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 11, 2016, 11:54:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2016, 09:30:25 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 11, 2016, 07:54:28 PM
Niall rigney seemed to have a fairly professional set up to be fair

He did, but nothing like the past couple of years.

Maybe not but tactically far superior

Such as when? I don't remember the team having results to match/better those of the last four years? Could be wrong, but I don't remember. Ran the likes of Limerick close once or twice, but that hardly trumps beating Offaly, running Galway close twice, Clare in a league quarter final, or Cork in the league?
I genuinely don't remember a series of results to match that?
We got some fair trouncings under Rigney to.

Quote from: les Antiques on October 12, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
Rigney  had never the same financial backing that was in place during Cheddars reign .
Depends what you mean by "backing" and which question you are answering.
1) Did the county board contribute the same amount to both set ups? Possibly- I don't know.
2) Was more spent of coaches, physios, training camps, player welfare etc during Cheddar's reign? There was no comparison.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 27, 2016, 11:30:15 AM
Any talk or rumours as to who's coming in to take over the seniors?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on October 27, 2016, 07:23:13 PM
Gary Kirby I have heard
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 27, 2016, 11:00:22 PM
Really? What's he been at lately?
They'd want to get a move on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 28, 2016, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 27, 2016, 11:00:22 PM
Really? What's he been at lately?
They'd want to get a move on.
Won the Limerick Championship last week.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 02, 2016, 02:57:09 PM
This Gary Kirby rumour seems to be gathering pace I heard it off two different people ove rthe weekend one with good connections as regards this sort of news..
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: OTF on November 02, 2016, 08:30:25 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 27, 2016, 11:00:22 PM
Really? What's he been at lately?
They'd want to get a move on.

Works for JP, security man at the Manor
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 02, 2016, 08:35:25 PM
Depends how good Patrickswell go in Munster . Wont commit if there competing and winning in Munster and wont step down if Croker awaits in March .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ClashAsh on November 07, 2016, 09:24:46 PM
Eamon Kelly announced as the laois senior hurling manager this evening at Laois county board meeting. He only stepped down from Offaly post after one year in the position.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 07, 2016, 09:31:19 PM
How much better than Cheddar is he? Not the most inspiring of apppintments.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on November 07, 2016, 10:11:53 PM
Won kerry a christy ring and brought offaly on big time dont know how people could complain really, has a solid track record at this level
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 07, 2016, 11:11:34 PM
Any idea why he resigned from the Offaly job.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 07, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 08, 2016, 08:58:39 AM
Not the worst appointment . Kelly will take no sh*t  whatsoever and lads will be either on board his train or not . Best of luck to him .
Selector appointments will be interesting .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 08, 2016, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: les Antiques on November 08, 2016, 08:58:39 AM
Not the worst appointment . Kelly will take no sh*t  whatsoever and lads will be either on board his train or not . Best of luck to him .
Selector appointments will be interesting .
You'd feel for him, because its most likely he'll find the situation to be similar to that in Offaly last year, the full deck won't be available to him. However unlike Offay, where they and their fat arses were lazy, Laois' players will be burnt out and either taking a year out, or retired.

Are Tipp our new overlords?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 08, 2016, 09:34:09 AM
Not exactly a show stopping appointment but sure what did we expect...I heard he was at the county final replay but so were so many others from a close proximity after what the read heard or saw of the first game.

Maybe Ken hogan could be part of his back room staff?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 08, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
Maybe Ken hogan could be part of his back room staff

That would be a good call I think .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 08, 2016, 02:11:19 PM
Piece from The Leinster Express about Kelly. Decent track record, hopefully it continues.

http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/222933/eamonn-kelly-appointed-new-laois-senior-hurling-manager.html (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/222933/eamonn-kelly-appointed-new-laois-senior-hurling-manager.html)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 08, 2016, 05:28:32 PM
Hard to know what to make of this.

He left Offaly for one of two reasons;

1) He couldn't be bothered dealing any longer with a handful of troublesome players and former "greats" in the media.
2) He wanted more money.

I don't think either looks great from our point of view.

Apparently he had a very good set up in Offaly- but that doesn't necessarily mean much considering he was coming after the shambles that was Brian Whelehan's set up!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on November 08, 2016, 05:44:13 PM
In fairness he has lots of experience, he seems like a decent appointment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on November 08, 2016, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on November 07, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!

If he was travelling up from Tipp each day, the run to Tullamore would add 45 mins each way over a trip to Portlaoise. 90 mins per training day is some saving.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 08, 2016, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on November 08, 2016, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on November 07, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!

If he was travelling up from Tipp each day, the run to Tullamore would add 45 mins each way over a trip to Portlaoise. 90 mins per training day is some saving.

I think that statement he made is bullshit, covering up an underlying problem there. From looking at the Offaly forum some people think the players were happy with him and he brought a very pro set up but the county board wouldnt fully back him for what he wanted to do or something to that effect?
I think Conor Gleeson is coming with him from last year.
Interesting that Butch Stapleton wins player of the year this year after leaving the county team, and Darren Maher did the same thing last year! Were they happier and hurling better for being being away from the set up? That cant be a good thing? Has it become too much of a commitment for some?
Hope the lads all commit and give it everything. anyone hear of any retirements etc? Will Zane be there next year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 08, 2016, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on November 08, 2016, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on November 07, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!

If he was travelling up from Tipp each day, the run to Tullamore would add 45 mins each way over a trip to Portlaoise. 90 mins per training day is some saving.

Not true. He's from Kildangan. That's 1 hour 10 mins to Tullamore and 58 mins to Portlaoise. No difference.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on November 08, 2016, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 08, 2016, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on November 08, 2016, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on November 07, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!

If he was travelling up from Tipp each day, the run to Tullamore would add 45 mins each way over a trip to Portlaoise. 90 mins per training day is some saving.

Not true. He's from Kildangan. That's 1 hour 10 mins to Tullamore and 58 mins to Portlaoise. No difference.

I was thinking more of someone travelling up and down the M7. Anyway, I don't care either way. I hope he's a good placement for us and drives us on.

What I see is that when we were coming good in the early 1980s and 1990s, we had competitive championships that produced winners that went into Leinster with a fighting chance. We need to get our basics back in order and build from bottom up....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 09, 2016, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on November 08, 2016, 06:45:23 PM
Interesting that Butch Stapleton wins player of the year this year after leaving the county team, and Darren Maher did the same thing last year! Were they happier and hurling better for being being away from the set up? That cant be a good thing? Has it become too much of a commitment for some?
Not very interesting really. Butch himself would have been as pleasantly surprised as anyone to pick up that award. Consider who selects these things, its got little to do with anything. Butch and Darren are lovely fellas, but does anyone who watched this and last years Championships think they stood out head and shoulders above all else? Not really. Any of 5 from BK could have gotten, as the same with CB last year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 09, 2016, 11:05:19 AM
What is the process in choosing the Player of the year or is there such a system in place ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 09, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: les Antiques on November 09, 2016, 11:05:19 AM
What is the process in choosing the Player of the year or is there such a system in place ?

now that would be interesting to find out...

Kellys cv looks okay to fair when you read that piece!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 04:37:40 PM
I see Kelly is saying that he was convinced by Conor Gleeson to step back into intercounty hurling because he see's the potential in Laois and has praised the hard work Cheddar has done.
He also said that one of the reasons he left Offaly was due to the level of abuse he got following the defeat to Westmeath both in person and online.
In fairness that kind of abuse comes with the job nowadays, just ask the likes of Davy Fitz or any other amount of intercounty managers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 09, 2016, 04:38:32 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 04:37:40 PM
I see Kelly is saying that he was convinced by Conor Gleeson to step back into intercounty hurling because he see's the potential in Laois and has praised the hard work Cheddar has done.
He also said that one of the reasons he left Offaly was due to the level of abuse he got following the defeat to Westmeath both in person and online.
In fairness that kind of abuse comes with the job nowadays, just ask the likes of Davy Fitz or any other amount of intercounty managers.

Interesting.
Have you a link to where you read/heard this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 05:04:08 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/eamonn-kelly-determined-to-build-on-cheddar-plunketts-work-at-laois-429687.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/eamonn-kelly-determined-to-build-on-cheddar-plunketts-work-at-laois-429687.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 09, 2016, 05:26:06 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 09, 2016, 04:38:32 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 04:37:40 PM
I see Kelly is saying that he was convinced by Conor Gleeson to step back into intercounty hurling because he see's the potential in Laois and has praised the hard work Cheddar has done.
He also said that one of the reasons he left Offaly was due to the level of abuse he got following the defeat to Westmeath both in person and online.
In fairness that kind of abuse comes with the job nowadays, just ask the likes of Davy Fitz or any other amount of intercounty managers.

Interesting.



Very interesting!

Wonder what Cheddar would make of them comments??


Have you a link to where you read/heard this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Thewildcat on November 09, 2016, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 07, 2016, 10:11:53 PM
Won kerry a christy ring and brought offaly on big time dont know how people could complain really, has a solid track record at this level

are you drunk brought offaly on big time, :-[  lost to kerry first time in 40 odd years, lost to westmeath by 14 points in championship,
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Thewildcat on November 09, 2016, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 08, 2016, 09:33:39 AM
Quote from: les Antiques on November 08, 2016, 08:58:39 AM
Not the worst appointment . Kelly will take no sh*t  whatsoever and lads will be either on board his train or not . Best of luck to him .
Selector appointments will be interesting .
You'd feel for him, because its most likely he'll find the situation to be similar to that in Offaly last year, the full deck won't be available to him. However unlike Offay, where they and their fat arses were lazy, Laois' players will be burnt out and either taking a year out, or retired.

Are Tipp our new overlords?
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the same fat arses that hurl laois out the gate in tullamore , and what the fcuk would have a laois hurler burn out it must be from smoking fags
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 09, 2016, 09:00:03 PM
The very same fat arses. Loughnane knew. Kelly knew.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on November 09, 2016, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: Thewildcat on November 09, 2016, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 07, 2016, 10:11:53 PM
Won kerry a christy ring and brought offaly on big time dont know how people could complain really, has a solid track record at this level

are you drunk brought offaly on big time, :-[  lost to kerry first time in 40 odd years, lost to westmeath by 14 points in championship,

This the same Kerry team that hammered us twice, got to league quater final and leinster semi too railroading us in the process after getting spanked by us the year before, your statement is a prime example of a big issue with laois supporters, over analysing one or two games instead of looking at the overall picture. Has he intercouny experience? Yes. Has he improved the teams that he was over? Yes. Did the players that he was in charge of rate him? Yes. Considering the dire state Offaly were in last year he did very well with them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 09:18:27 PM
The wild cat is a lost biffo.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2016, 12:41:51 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 09:18:27 PM
The wild cat is a lost biffo.
Of course he is, I'd say he blew a gasket replying to that post  ;D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 10, 2016, 01:41:16 AM
Daithi Regan Is Not Happy With Eamon Kelly After Ex-Offaly Boss Takes Laois Hurling Job

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/daithi-regan/351164 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/daithi-regan/351164)

(https://media.balls.ie/YToyOntzOjQ6ImRhdGEiO3M6MjQ3OiJhOjQ6e3M6MzoidXJsIjtzOjEyMToiaHR0cDovL3MzLWV1LXdlc3QtMS5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL3N0b3JhZ2UucHVibGlzaGVycGx1cy5pZS9tZWRpYS5iYWxscy5pZS91cGxvYWRzLzIwMTYvMTEvMDgxMTE3NDYvcGppbWFnZTEyLTEwMjR4NTc2LmpwZyI7czo1OiJ3aWR0aCI7aTo2NDA7czo2OiJoZWlnaHQiO2k6MzYwO3M6NzoiZGVmYXVsdCI7czo0MjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmFsbHMuaWUvYXNzZXRzL2kvbm8taW1hZ2UucG5nIjt9IjtzOjQ6Imhhc2giO3M6NDA6IjgzYzRmMjJkZjRjYjg1NDMxNjRmYWFmYzg3OWE4MWYwODRjZjZlODIiO30=/daithi-regan-is-not-happy-with-eamon-kelly-after-ex-offaly-boss-takes-laois-hurling-job.jpg)


This is what Laois have to do at the start of the game against Offaly..

https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/796359847344308224? (https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/796359847344308224?)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Thewildcat on November 10, 2016, 08:30:42 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 09, 2016, 09:00:03 PM
The very same fat arses. Loughnane knew. Kelly knew.

what does that make the laois players so ;) think about it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on November 10, 2016, 10:15:04 PM
Quote from: Thewildcat on November 10, 2016, 08:30:42 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 09, 2016, 09:00:03 PM
The very same fat arses. Loughnane knew. Kelly knew.

what does that make the laois players so ;) think about it.

Are you still pretending to be from Camross? Or is it Birr? Strange for a Gracefield man.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 11, 2016, 08:51:30 AM
He was that rattled it took him two days to reply  ;D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on November 11, 2016, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 11, 2016, 08:51:30 AM
He was that rattled it took him two days to reply  ;D
"Townman" on the Offaly forum. Even the biffos think he's an idiot.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tcrilly on November 20, 2016, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Thewildcat on November 09, 2016, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on November 07, 2016, 10:11:53 PM
Won kerry a christy ring and brought offaly on big time dont know how people could complain really, has a solid track record at this level

are you drunk brought offaly on big time, :-[  lost to kerry first time in 40 odd years, lost to westmeath by 14 points in championship,

Offaly are the Liverpool of the gaa, blind optimism from that lot is actually astonishing
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 22, 2016, 11:53:29 AM
Have the players etc met with Kelly and his team yet?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on November 23, 2016, 05:11:12 PM
I don't believe Eamon Kelly has finalised his management team yet.
Can't see the players meeting up until then.

You'd hope this would be confirmed asap as we have a difficult year ahead and need to be conditioned early as there will be a hectic Spring with league games and preparation for the round robin.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 23, 2016, 05:58:24 PM
Was Shane Corby confirmed as U21 manager?
Have we confirmed a minor manager yet?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 30, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
former Limerick captain Ollie Moran has been confirmed as part of Kelly's back room team...

Thats a big name to be fair....

Things are looking good on the set up for next year!Do we have the players tho that's the question?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tcrilly on November 30, 2016, 05:41:42 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on November 30, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
former Limerick captain Ollie Moran has been confirmed as part of Kelly's back room team...

Thats a big name to be fair....

Things are looking good on the set up for next year!Do we have the players tho that's the question?
We never have the players lol hopefully though we can beat the biffos again
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 01, 2016, 03:02:51 PM
So Senior Management confirmed - Eamonn kelly manager,
Selectors John Taylor, Owen Coss
Coaches Conor Gleeson, Ollie Moran
S&C DJ O Dwyer
Physios & Doctor stays same.
Stats men ?
Team Secretary ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 01, 2016, 03:33:08 PM
I would be interested to know what Cheddar was looking for off the CB because that's a fairly professional looking set up and is hardly going to be without cost.

I hope the players can step up to the mark now and give it a right go.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on December 06, 2016, 02:24:28 PM
Well done to Laois Co. Board for landing Christy Walsh as Minor manager
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/226654/chirsty-walsh-takes-the-reins-as-laois-minor-hurling-manager.html (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/226654/chirsty-walsh-takes-the-reins-as-laois-minor-hurling-manager.html)



(http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/resizer/750/563/true/1481021617877.jpg--chirsty_walsh_takes_the_reins_as_laois_minor_hurling_manager.jpg?1481021663000)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: steven seagal on December 06, 2016, 03:17:39 PM
QuoteI would be interested to know what Cheddar was looking for off the CB because that's a fairly professional looking set up and is hardly going to be without cost.

Cheddar wasn't looking for anything for himself or the senior set up as far as I know, he pitched the County Board his vision for the long-term future of Laois hurling and wanted to get it going ASAP. The county board put it on the long finger while they looked for county managers and Cheddar got pissed off. That's what I was told anyway, unless anyone had heard differently?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on January 12, 2017, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: Tobias on October 27, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?

I started this post approx 15 months ago. Since then, we have shipped our heaviest ever senior hurling championship defeat at the hands of Clare who were easily enough beaten by Galway. Our minor team who a few years ago were heralded as the future stars of the game were beaten by a very poor Offaly team, our 21s beaten by Carlow and our development squads performing very poorly. Laois hurling is in a very bad place and again nothing is being done at croke park or co board level. The one man trying to turn the whole thing around walked away in frustration or was pushed out the door. It's an awful shame and unfortunately I don't see our fortunes changing.

On another note this isn't a bad 15...
Eoin Reilly
Brian Stapleton
Brian Campion
J A Delaney
J Fitz
M McEvoy
J Walsh
C Stapleton
C Collier
W Hyland
Z Keenan
J Campion
T Dowling
T Fitz
J Purcell
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 13, 2017, 09:28:47 AM
Tobias, can you see any positives at all?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on January 13, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 13, 2017, 09:28:47 AM
Tobias, can you see any positives at all?

There are some positives but not many tbh. I'm just frustrated that nothing is being done to turn things around at Croke park or co board level. I take my hat off to the players that give up so much and come back every year they really deserve huge credit. I just feel that even though it's so early in the year we are looking at another bleak year. You have to admit the facts are there in the last paragraph of my previous post, I'd love to be optimistic but it's very hard to be.
Offaly are in a bad state too but they have put the plans and structures in place to turn it around, I just feel we are not doing enough and until we do nothing will change.
The powers that be in HQ have a lot to answer for in terms of the state of hurling throughout the country. The year for teams like laois are inevitable really before they start. I think the provincial championships need to be scraped and have a 8 team Liam McCarthy cup that starts much earlier in the year and accommodates the club championships in each county. We are not so bad in Laois but club players in top tier counties suffer every year. I would put laois offaly Kerry westmeath etc into an 8 team Christy ring cup that is played before the all Ireland final every year. In this case every team could potentially see themselves playing in croke park on all Ireland final day with the winners being promoted to the Liam McCarthy the following year and one team being relegated. These teams are not good enough to play in the top 8 division. This would generate much more interest in hurling, avoid the big beatings and have competitive competition every year. It would also give the second tier counties some light at the end of a long depressing tunnel! Minor finals could be played with the 21 final. Again apologies for the pessimism.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 13, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: Tobias on January 13, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 13, 2017, 09:28:47 AM
Tobias, can you see any positives at all?

There are some positives but not many tbh. I'm just frustrated that nothing is being done to turn things around at Croke park or co board level. I take my hat off to the players that give up so much and come back every year they really deserve huge credit. I just feel that even though it's so early in the year we are looking at another bleak year. You have to admit the facts are there in the last paragraph of my previous post, I'd love to be optimistic but it's very hard to be.
Offaly are in a bad state too but they have put the plans and structures in place to turn it around, I just feel we are not doing enough and until we do nothing will change.
The powers that be in HQ have a lot to answer for in terms of the state of hurling throughout the country. The year for teams like laois are inevitable really before they start. I think the provincial championships need to be scraped and have a 8 team Liam McCarthy cup that starts much earlier in the year and accommodates the club championships in each county. We are not so bad in Laois but club players in top tier counties suffer every year. I would put laois offaly Kerry westmeath etc into an 8 team Christy ring cup that is played before the all Ireland final every year. In this case every team could potentially see themselves playing in croke park on all Ireland final day with the winners being promoted to the Liam McCarthy the following year and one team being relegated. These teams are not good enough to play in the top 8 division. This would generate much more interest in hurling, avoid the big beatings and have competitive competition every year. It would also give the second tier counties some light at the end of a long depressing tunnel! Minor finals could be played with the 21 final. Again apologies for the pessimism.
I've said it many times on here, Croke Park will not help us. We have asked them to for some 20 years, and they haven't. We asked them when we had our own man, a hurling man in there, and they didn't. We need to give up asking Croke Park. We need to source the money internally, and use the skills internally, or buy them in from outside. But the help will not come from Croke Park. We must accept this.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on January 13, 2017, 09:26:17 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on January 13, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: Tobias on January 13, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 13, 2017, 09:28:47 AM
Tobias, can you see any positives at all?

There are some positives but not many tbh. I'm just frustrated that nothing is being done to turn things around at Croke park or co board level. I take my hat off to the players that give up so much and come back every year they really deserve huge credit. I just feel that even though it's so early in the year we are looking at another bleak year. You have to admit the facts are there in the last paragraph of my previous post, I'd love to be optimistic but it's very hard to be.
Offaly are in a bad state too but they have put the plans and structures in place to turn it around, I just feel we are not doing enough and until we do nothing will change.
The powers that be in HQ have a lot to answer for in terms of the state of hurling throughout the country. The year for teams like laois are inevitable really before they start. I think the provincial championships need to be scraped and have a 8 team Liam McCarthy cup that starts much earlier in the year and accommodates the club championships in each county. We are not so bad in Laois but club players in top tier counties suffer every year. I would put laois offaly Kerry westmeath etc into an 8 team Christy ring cup that is played before the all Ireland final every year. In this case every team could potentially see themselves playing in croke park on all Ireland final day with the winners being promoted to the Liam McCarthy the following year and one team being relegated. These teams are not good enough to play in the top 8 division. This would generate much more interest in hurling, avoid the big beatings and have competitive competition every year. It would also give the second tier counties some light at the end of a long depressing tunnel! Minor finals could be played with the 21 final. Again apologies for the pessimism.
I've said it many times on here, Croke Park will not help us. We have asked them to for some 20 years, and they haven't. We asked them when we had our own man, a hurling man in there, and they didn't. We need to give up asking Croke Park. We need to source the money internally, and use the skills internally, or buy them in from outside. But the help will not come from Croke Park. We must accept this.

I agree with both your arguements, every year is the same and every now and then we run a team close like galway in leinster,offaly, and clare in the league quarter final in recent years but we havent seemed to have built on that and its not the effort of the players, its the development or lack of and plus on the grand scale of things compared to the top counties we have a tiny pool to choose from, our top tier club hurling now has 8 teams and the senior a is only a paper over the cracks, tipperary, cork or kilkenny on any given match day programme will have a pick of players from at least 13-16 clubs which makes for a headache in terms of selecting a panel as regards to the few we have that make the final cut, often 5-6 guys from the one club, we are just an unfortunate county in terms of playing population on top of having a very football focused county board
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on January 13, 2017, 09:57:41 PM
If some people here got there way there wouldnt even be 13-16 teams to choose, and before people scoff at the moment there are 24 seperate clubs participating in adult hurling in laois, on these fourms in the last year or so ive heard people want kyle to be absolved by borris/kilcotton, ballypickas by abbeyleix/ballinakill trumera by mountrath, colt clonad and shanahoe to amalgamate, same with castletown and slieve bloom timahoe slieve margy, graiguecullen and mountmellick are major football areas so the likelyhood of gaining a counth player from these areas is low, all that leaves you with a pick of around 14 clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on January 14, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on January 13, 2017, 09:57:41 PM
If some people here got there way there wouldnt even be 13-16 teams to choose, and before people scoff at the moment there are 24 seperate clubs participating in adult hurling in laois, on these fourms in the last year or so ive heard people want kyle to be absolved by borris/kilcotton, ballypickas by abbeyleix/ballinakill trumera by mountrath, colt clonad and shanahoe to amalgamate, same with castletown and slieve bloom timahoe slieve margy, graiguecullen and mountmellick are major football areas so the likelyhood of gaining a counth player from these areas is low, all that leaves you with a pick of around 14 clubs

I wonder if Joe Foyle had access to a senior club could he have developed into a county player? Was always strong up until u21 and im sure he still hurls with timahoe
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 14, 2017, 06:38:24 PM
SH A Dublin South 3-23 Laois 0-7.
Really worrying result today. Are all Laois schools involved in this team? Are the underage structures working and functional or are we really falling behind? We think we cant promote hurling in emo, mountmellick, stradbally etc etc but here are a group of well resourced, well prepared south dubs given our hurlers from traditional areas an absolute lesson. Very worrying.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 14, 2017, 07:28:24 PM
The team that took t othe field today is effectively this years minor team. Very worrying scoreline indeed!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 14, 2017, 07:37:55 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 14, 2017, 07:28:24 PM
The team that took t othe field today is effectively this years minor team. Very worrying scoreline indeed!
Minus the Mountrath players at the very least, any others?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on January 14, 2017, 07:56:57 PM
After been present at the game today, the big difference that was evident aside from the scoreboard was the sheer physical size difference of both squads. It is very clear that Dublin's development over the last few years has included both skill development, but also functional/physical development. It is an area that has to be addressed asap within the county. From the game and team that lined out, approx. 5/6 will start as there was anyting from 12/13 possible starters missing due to been involved with other schools.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 14, 2017, 08:07:29 PM
Is there much point having a schools team if 1. they don't include certain schools and 2. if they are taking hammerings like today? Mountrath are in the Senior B so what's the point in a schools team playing A if they don't have the Mountrath lads? I can't see the benefit.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on January 14, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
its a hard one to say Redsetanta...exposing them to the intensity of A type hurling is great, but taking a bad defeat like that proves nor helps no one in the long term. But physicality needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. Players need to be educated into the reality of functional movement, but planned by coaches with the proper educational background into this development process
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TP Ashe on January 14, 2017, 09:00:46 PM
A number of probable starters were unavailable as they are too young and a few more are in school in Johnstown.

Likes of Podge Delaney, the 2 Comerford's, PJ Daly, Ciaran Conroy and Joe Phelan would make a big difference.

Not saying they would redress a margin of defeat like that but would certainly help.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 14, 2017, 09:15:01 PM
Quote from: mountrath1 on January 14, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
its a hard one to say Redsetanta...exposing them to the intensity of A type hurling is great, but taking a bad defeat like that proves nor helps no one in the long term. But physicality needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. Players need to be educated into the reality of functional movement, but planned by coaches with the proper educational background into this development process

Functional being the key word.
Phrases like "Leg Day", "Chest Day" etc have no place in a serious GAA player's lingo.

We are effectively talking S&C here. Dress it up how you like.
Physicality and Strength, while related, are not the same thing.
There was a big difference in approach taken to physical training with Laois minors last year, compared to the previous couple of years.
If you were to ignore everything else you could claim that the pre 2016 model was more successful.
It's not that simplistic, but it's also possible that there is some element of truth in it.
Pirlo once said that "warm ups were like masturbation for S&C coaches", a good quote that ignores much science.
HOWEVER I am beginning to regard the obsession with quantitative measuring and the collection of masses of data on players physical performances rather sceptically.

As far as I am concerned we need players with a base level of strength that converts seamlessly to power (i.e.Speed). These players must maintain high levels of cardio vascular endurance and enough flexibility to allow agility and injury prevention. Underage players and training with body weight alone is something I consider valuable.
Hitting gym targets & increasing PBs should be very very very secondary.

I'll post-face all of the above with the fact that I have no S&C qualification. BUT I have some experience in the area.

Anyways, I was not there today, but I don't think there is any reason to expect this year's minors to be particularly strong?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on January 14, 2017, 09:30:51 PM
great post though Keyser!! well approached. positive oulooks
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 15, 2017, 12:15:16 AM
Cant claim I was at the game but having watched Laois teams for long enough I often wonder is it actual strength we are missing or intensity. Yes we often enter games with players of smaller stature than other counties but rarely do we see those players play with fire or intensity to redress the balance. We often see teams almost accept their fate. They are told Dublin are stronger and fitter so almost accept it before they take the field. Where is the defiance? The belief that we can mix it? The attitude of asking questions of the opposition no matter who they are. Our biggest issue was always mentality and it continues on and off the field.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 15, 2017, 12:21:34 AM
We all have a vested interest in this and we as supporters are just as bad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 15, 2017, 11:17:11 AM
Agreed but how can we improve our attitudes? How can we create an atmosphere of improving ourselves instead of comparing ourselves to other counties? People have said nobody wanted to manage our county minors this year. Why? Surely if they are not our strongest group they need more and better help than other years. That would worry me. Apart from a small number of coaches the rest are acting out of self interest rather than Laois' best interest.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on January 15, 2017, 10:34:22 PM
Keyser you are bang on, Functional is the key word. But that comes from S&C. In Kilkenny and Dublin and other counties they now have S&C coaches screening players on their functional movement, from U14 upwards, and giving them corrective exercises, they are also doing the "normal" S&C with them but age appropriate, and educating them on diet and lifestyle. While i dont think physical size is a major issue, the functional movement aspect is very important, also helps to prevent common injuries occurring in the future.
I may be wrong but i dont think we have that level of detail in Laois development set up! Not saying its the answer to all our problems but the whole thing needs to be overhauled or reviewed at least.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 15, 2017, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on January 14, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
I wonder if Joe Foyle had access to a senior club could he have developed into a county player? Was always strong up until u21 and im sure he still hurls with timahoe
Don't like commenting on individuals like this. But did he ever make a county underage team? He certainly never came close to being one of the stronger players on one.

The answer to your question is almost certainly no!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on January 15, 2017, 11:22:43 PM
The reality is that we haven't got the numbers to remotely compete at the top level. This years's Laois minor hurling team at this age group was always weak on the way up so it shouldn't be a surprise. The ones coming after are no better. Even our so called "good" teams of last number of years were just very average by national standards. On the club front, we would be better off without the likes of Kyle, Ratheniska, Trumera, Ballypickas, Mountmellick,Slieve Margy, Slieve Bloom and a host of other senior B and intermediate clubs who are a joke in a proper functioning hurling county. If there are decent hurlers in these clubs, they should play with a proper set up. The local community nonsense is exactly that: it's nonsense which is why things are the way they are. For anyone into music, John Lennon's Working Class Hero sums up how GAA at Croke Park level probably think of us. We have clubs who have a better chance of winning the award for the best club for organising funeral guard of honours than winning something of consequence on the field. We are totally deluded down to be calling our second tier SHC (A) as we haven't the courage or the cop on to call it what it is.  If the county had 12 decent hurling units, we would have a better chance of improving standards that what we have at the moment. It's quite simple that if a club cannot operate on its own as juvenile level, then it should not be on its own at adult level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 16, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: Downtheroad on January 15, 2017, 11:22:43 PM
The reality is that we haven't got the numbers to remotely compete at the top level. This years's Laois minor hurling team at this age group was always weak on the way up so it shouldn't be a surprise. The ones coming after are no better. Even our so called "good" teams of last number of years were just very average by national standards. On the club front, we would be better off without the likes of Kyle, Ratheniska, Trumera, Ballypickas, Mountmellick,Slieve Margy, Slieve Bloom and a host of other senior B and intermediate clubs who are a joke in a proper functioning hurling county. If there are decent hurlers in these clubs, they should play with a proper set up. The local community nonsense is exactly that: it's nonsense which is why things are the way they are. For anyone into music, John Lennon's Working Class Hero sums up how GAA at Croke Park level probably think of us. We have clubs who have a better chance of winning the award for the best club for organising funeral guard of honours than winning something of consequence on the field. We are totally deluded down to be calling our second tier SHC (A) as we haven't the courage or the cop on to call it what it is.  If the county had 12 decent hurling units, we would have a better chance of improving standards that what we have at the moment. It's quite simple that if a club cannot operate on its own as juvenile level, then it should not be on its own at adult level.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call a keyboard warrior. This person also seems to think the club game doesn't matter. He believes the GAA is all about the county set up and senior clubs. He doesn't realise what clubs such as Rosenallis, Annanough, Barrowhouse, Ratheniska, Kyle, Trumera, Slieve Bloom etc, have to give to the organisation. They are the focal point of their communities. Winning a junior or intermediate title with these clubs will be held above all else, and will be celebrated greater than a 9th title in a 9 in a row.

If we are to wind up the likes of the clubs mentioned above, then we may as well just hand over the organisation to the likes of DOWNTHEROAD and let him at it. I presume he is a wind up though. Or an idiot.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 16, 2017, 10:44:36 AM
He still makes a lot of good points though -

1. We haven't enough high quality minor, U-21 and senior hurling teams and could do with a few more amalgamations. 12 really competitive teams would be a good start. Tipp have something like 36.
2. The quality of what is coming up is still not nearly good enough. We had a good spell that produced some nice hurlers but the teams following them have not been great on average. Some massive beatings at Tony Forrestal / Arrabawn competitions are now transferring back up to minor level.

There is probably a link between the number of competitive clubs and the quality of young lads coming through. Divisional teams are good enough for the likes of Cork and Kerry but we could never have them in Laois it seems. Surely a Divisional team that included Trumera, Mountrath, Colt, Shanahoe would be competitive at Senior level and still allow a club ethos at Senior A or Intermediate? Or a Na Fianna senior team? Surely there can be a way to provide incentives to talented young fellas to hurl competitively without losing connection with their club?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on January 16, 2017, 11:05:12 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on January 16, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: Downtheroad on January 15, 2017, 11:22:43 PM
The reality is that we haven't got the numbers to remotely compete at the top level. This years's Laois minor hurling team at this age group was always weak on the way up so it shouldn't be a surprise. The ones coming after are no better. Even our so called "good" teams of last number of years were just very average by national standards. On the club front, we would be better off without the likes of Kyle, Ratheniska, Trumera, Ballypickas, Mountmellick,Slieve Margy, Slieve Bloom and a host of other senior B and intermediate clubs who are a joke in a proper functioning hurling county. If there are decent hurlers in these clubs, they should play with a proper set up. The local community nonsense is exactly that: it's nonsense which is why things are the way they are. For anyone into music, John Lennon's Working Class Hero sums up how GAA at Croke Park level probably think of us. We have clubs who have a better chance of winning the award for the best club for organising funeral guard of honours than winning something of consequence on the field. We are totally deluded down to be calling our second tier SHC (A) as we haven't the courage or the cop on to call it what it is.  If the county had 12 decent hurling units, we would have a better chance of improving standards that what we have at the moment. It's quite simple that if a club cannot operate on its own as juvenile level, then it should not be on its own at adult level.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call a keyboard warrior. This person also seems to think the club game doesn't matter. He believes the GAA is all about the county set up and senior clubs. He doesn't realise what clubs such as Rosenallis, Annanough, Barrowhouse, Ratheniska, Kyle, Trumera, Slieve Bloom etc, have to give to the organisation. They are the focal point of their communities. Winning a junior or intermediate title with these clubs will be held above all else, and will be celebrated greater than a 9th title in a 9 in a row.

If we are to wind up the likes of the clubs mentioned above, then we may as well just hand over the organisation to the likes of DOWNTHEROAD and let him at it. I presume he is a wind up though. Or an idiot.

I take issue with your "Keyboard Warrior" jibe  as it's the type of cheap shot that's often uttered when a contrarian view is put forward. Obviously you don't agree with what I'm saying and that's fair enough but I'm perfectly entitled to hold an opinion that we have too many micky mouse clubs. I was referring to hurling but it is probably the same in football. Let's face it the way we are currently constituted, the Kilkenny junior B champions would probably beat most of our Senior B hurling teams. Our Intermediate hurling champions in 2016 (not a bad team or club by Laois standards) failed to the Meath intermediate hurling champions.   

The question is what do we want from the GAA?  Is it an organisation where community participation takes primacy over standards no matter how poor that standard is. If this is what we want that's fine but if it's about improving sporting standards and competing against other codes, then something different needs to be done. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 16, 2017, 11:12:17 AM
Quote from: Downtheroad on January 16, 2017, 11:05:12 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on January 16, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: Downtheroad on January 15, 2017, 11:22:43 PM
The reality is that we haven't got the numbers to remotely compete at the top level. This years's Laois minor hurling team at this age group was always weak on the way up so it shouldn't be a surprise. The ones coming after are no better. Even our so called "good" teams of last number of years were just very average by national standards. On the club front, we would be better off without the likes of Kyle, Ratheniska, Trumera, Ballypickas, Mountmellick,Slieve Margy, Slieve Bloom and a host of other senior B and intermediate clubs who are a joke in a proper functioning hurling county. If there are decent hurlers in these clubs, they should play with a proper set up. The local community nonsense is exactly that: it's nonsense which is why things are the way they are. For anyone into music, John Lennon's Working Class Hero sums up how GAA at Croke Park level probably think of us. We have clubs who have a better chance of winning the award for the best club for organising funeral guard of honours than winning something of consequence on the field. We are totally deluded down to be calling our second tier SHC (A) as we haven't the courage or the cop on to call it what it is.  If the county had 12 decent hurling units, we would have a better chance of improving standards that what we have at the moment. It's quite simple that if a club cannot operate on its own as juvenile level, then it should not be on its own at adult level.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call a keyboard warrior. This person also seems to think the club game doesn't matter. He believes the GAA is all about the county set up and senior clubs. He doesn't realise what clubs such as Rosenallis, Annanough, Barrowhouse, Ratheniska, Kyle, Trumera, Slieve Bloom etc, have to give to the organisation. They are the focal point of their communities. Winning a junior or intermediate title with these clubs will be held above all else, and will be celebrated greater than a 9th title in a 9 in a row.

If we are to wind up the likes of the clubs mentioned above, then we may as well just hand over the organisation to the likes of DOWNTHEROAD and let him at it. I presume he is a wind up though. Or an idiot.

I take issue with your "Keyboard Warrior" jibe  as it's the type of cheap shot that's often uttered when a contrarian view is put forward. Obviously you don't agree with what I'm saying and that's fair enough but I'm perfectly entitled to hold an opinion that we have too many micky mouse clubs. I was referring to hurling but it is probably the same in football. Let's face it the way we are currently constituted, the Kilkenny junior B champions would probably beat most of our Senior B hurling teams. Our Intermediate hurling champions in 2016 (not a bad team or club by Laois standards) failed to the Meath intermediate hurling champions.   

The question is what do we want from the GAA?  Is it an organisation where community participation takes primacy over standards no matter how poor that standard is. If this is what we want that's fine but if it's about improving sporting standards and competing against other codes, then something different needs to be done.
Your different was winding up a load of junior and intermediate clubs. Straight away you should a lack of understand and respect for what the GAA is and always has been. In some of the communities you mentioned, the club is the community. You mocked guards of honours at funerals. How anyone can mock that is beyond me. Theres been plenty of men who only had 4 men under their coffin at their funeral because of the GAA. You find this a bullet for a gun in a shot across these clubs, I find it disgusting.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: beano on January 16, 2017, 06:08:05 PM
Couple of things I'd like to say, where are the coaches that were in the setanta programme when the likes of cha Dwyer and pj scully were there , same with joe campions group. Have we dropped our coaching standards?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 16, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on January 16, 2017, 10:44:36 AM
He still makes a lot of good points though -

1. We haven't enough high quality minor, U-21 and senior hurling teams and could do with a few more amalgamations. 12 really competitive teams would be a good start. Tipp have something like 36.
2. The quality of what is coming up is still not nearly good enough. We had a good spell that produced some nice hurlers but the teams following them have not been great on average. Some massive beatings at Tony Forrestal / Arrabawn competitions are now transferring back up to minor level.

There is probably a link between the number of competitive clubs and the quality of young lads coming through. Divisional teams are good enough for the likes of Cork and Kerry but we could never have them in Laois it seems. Surely a Divisional team that included Trumera, Mountrath, Colt, Shanahoe would be competitive at Senior level and still allow a club ethos at Senior A or Intermediate? Or a Na Fianna senior team? Surely there can be a way to provide incentives to talented young fellas to hurl competitively without losing connection with their club?


Theres 28 senior Teams in Tipp which they are in the process of reducing.There are 70 plus hurling clubs in Tipp,Laois on its own would  be similar to 1 of 4 divisions there

We cant compete with the likes of Cork or Tipp with playing numbers and the reality is our 84k population isnt like hurling mad kk with a pop of 99k.

We need to be smart and allow every talented hurler the opportunity to play at the highest level that he can.

Speaking from my own local perspective,there needs to be 1 senior team in Raheen Parish,if there needs to 2 intermediate teams and 2 junior teams in the parish so be it.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on January 18, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
There can be a debate about clubs amalgamating etc but the key point that I keep going back to is the lack of planning for the future at Co level. As I've said on so many occasions a plan for laois hurling must be devised structurally, financially supported and followed through by a full time director of hurling and a team working under him. I believe it's a travesty that the one man that had the vision and the passion to make it happen is no longer involved at any County level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 18, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
Quote from: Tobias on January 18, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
There can be a debate about clubs amalgamating etc but the key point that I keep going back to is the lack of planning for the future at Co level. As I've said on so many occasions a plan for laois hurling must be devised structurally, financially supported and followed through by a full time director of hurling and a team working under him. I believe it's a travesty that the one man that had the vision and the passion to make it happen is no longer involved at any County level.

Agree with every word
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on January 21, 2017, 02:50:02 AM
A lack of numbers hurling is a big problem for us

Portlaoise - Hurling struggling
Portarlington - virtually no hurling
Graiguecullen - virtually no hurling
Mountmellick - hurling weak

Thats 4 of the biggest urban areas in a small dual county to begin with. I don't mean any disrespect to tthe clubs mentioned (I hope they all prove me wrong), but itsalways going to be tough to compete with our hurling playing population
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 03, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
I see on Facebook where our Juvenile Combined Colleges Hurling team hammered Dublin North today by 5-10 to 0-08.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 03, 2017, 11:25:26 PM
Saw that and make no bones about it that is a very encouraging win.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 16, 2017, 08:48:34 PM
U15 panel announced


Aaron
Brennan
Abbeyleix

Adam
Broady
Abbeyleix

Robert
Corkish
Abbeyleix

Eoghan
Dunne
Abbeyleix

Eamon
Fitzpatrick
Abbeyleix

Lee
Maher
Abbeyleix

Fionan
Mahony
Abbeyleix

David
Sheeran
Abbeyleix

Cathal
O'Shaughnessy
Ballinakill

Cian
O'Shaughnessy
Ballinakill

Aaron
O'Dea
Ballypickas

Niall
Coss
Borris in Ossory/Kilcotton

Jack
Foyle
Borris in Ossory/Kilcotton

Keelan
Kelly
Borris in Ossory/Kilcotton

Tomas
Keyes
Camross

Jamie
Gill
Castletown/Slieve Bloom

Tadhg
Cuddy
Castletown/Slieve Bloom

Darragh
Tobin
Castletown/Slieve Bloom

DJ
Callaghan
Clonaslee St Manmans

Darragh
Hogan
Clough/Ballacolla

Kevin
Mulhall
Clough/Ballacolla

Adam
Kirwan
Mountrath

Brian
Bredin
Mountrath

Paddy
Hosey
Na Fianna

Darragh
Lyons
Na Fianna

Danny
Brennan
Park/Ratheniska

Mark
Ramsbottom
Park/Ratheniska

Eoin
Naughton
Portlaoise

Eamon
Delaney
Raheen Parish Gaels

Conor
Goode
Raheen Parish Gaels

James
Whelan
Raheen Parish Gaels

Aaron
Costigan
Rathdowney/Errill

Cian
Bourke
Rathdowney/Errill

Ian
Shanahan
Slieve Margy

Conor
Delaney
The Harps

James
Duggan
The Harps

Michael
Monahan
The Harps





Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 16, 2017, 09:01:06 PM
Great to see young Shanahan from Slieve Margy in there. He wouldn't have had a chance a few years ago. Thats what its all about, developing hurlers for the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on February 17, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
Quote from: Tobias on January 18, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
There can be a debate about clubs amalgamating etc but the key point that I keep going back to is the lack of planning for the future at Co level. As I've said on so many occasions a plan for laois hurling must be devised structurally, financially supported and followed through by a full time director of hurling and a team working under him. I believe it's a travesty that the one man that had the vision and the passion to make it happen is no longer involved at any County level.

Absolutely agree, we can talk about numbers and physical size etc etc all day long but none of that matters if the above is not implemented. We are LITERALLY 10/15 years behind the likes of Dublin/Clare/Kilkenny when it comes to coaching and structures and organisation.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 17, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on February 17, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
Quote from: Tobias on January 18, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
There can be a debate about clubs amalgamating etc but the key point that I keep going back to is the lack of planning for the future at Co level. As I've said on so many occasions a plan for laois hurling must be devised structurally, financially supported and followed through by a full time director of hurling and a team working under him. I believe it's a travesty that the one man that had the vision and the passion to make it happen is no longer involved at any County level.

Absolutely agree, we can talk about numbers and physical size etc etc all day long but none of that matters if the above is not implemented. We are LITERALLY 10/15 years behind the likes of Dublin/Clare/Kilkenny when it comes to coaching and structures and organisation.

Whatever about being behind the 3 counties you mention when you have a massive hurling population like Tipp or Cork, forget about it when you have 8 senior standard clubs and the population of south Laois.

In fairness, the quality of player development has improved but still has miles to go. We are probably on a par with Offaly and Westmeath which isn't saying a whole lot.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 17, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
A good competitive game between Laois schools and Kieran's in the juvenile grade

Kieran's winning by 2/3 goals
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 17, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
That's not a bad performance at all baring in mind that both of these teams will provide most of these lads to the respective county panels.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on February 17, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
That's not a bad performance at all baring in mind that both of these teams will provide most of these lads to the respective county panels.
Surely Laois schools are without the MCS boys for a start?

And of course Kilkenny CBS is the equal of Kieran's.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 17, 2017, 10:11:27 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on February 17, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
That's not a bad performance at all baring in mind that both of these teams will provide most of these lads to the respective county panels.
Surely Laois schools are without the MCS boys for a start?

And of course Kilkenny CBS is the equal of Kieran's.

Kk cbs are hardly the equal of Kieran's.

They would be the 2nd best team in Leinster schools but 2nd nonetheless
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2017, 07:54:48 PM
Underage fixtures up on the laoisgaa website now
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on February 22, 2017, 02:42:46 PM
Is there any development plan being adhered to, introduced or worked upon for Laois underage hurling or is every grade just paddling their own canoe and hoping for the best??

Is there any leadership or Hurling director in place??

Or did the county board really let the one man with this vision walk away ??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 22, 2017, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Ogie on February 22, 2017, 02:42:46 PM
Is there any development plan being adhered to, introduced or worked upon for Laois underage hurling or is every grade just paddling their own canoe and hoping for the best??

Is there any leadership or Hurling director in place??

Or did the county board really let the one man with this vision walk away ??

Isn't Cheddar involved with his own club

As far as I can see every club paddles their own canoe with the odd bit of assistance from the GDA's

That said most dynamic clubs throughout the country have 4/5 committed underage mentors to thank for any success they might have.

More work needs to be done in the schools....badly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on February 22, 2017, 04:46:13 PM
The key to developing GAA is the schools and especially at primary level. Dublin pumped serious time, money and efforts (I know they are playing at a very different financial base) into the primary schools 10/15 years. Every school had access to dedicated and qualified Games development coaches who went into the schools promoting both football and hurling. Juvenile participation numbers rocketed as a result, especially the numbers playing hurling from areas that once never did. Kilmacud Crokes I believe have more U14 footballers then in the whole of Leitrim at present. While I'm not saying we can replicate the Dublin model as the resources aren't in the county, we can do more to up the participation levels and get children wanting to play hurling and football. Otherwise we are going to get left further and further behind.     
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 22, 2017, 05:11:33 PM
Quote from: Clubber Lang on February 22, 2017, 04:46:13 PM
The key to developing GAA is the schools and especially at primary level. Dublin pumped serious time, money and efforts (I know they are playing at a very different financial base) into the primary schools 10/15 years. Every school had access to dedicated and qualified Games development coaches who went into the schools promoting both football and hurling. Juvenile participation numbers rocketed as a result, especially the numbers playing hurling from areas that once never did. Kilmacud Crokes I believe have more U14 footballers then in the whole of Leitrim at present. While I'm not saying we can replicate the Dublin model as the resources aren't in the county, we can do more to up the participation levels and get children wanting to play hurling and football. Otherwise we are going to get left further and further behind.   

We don't have the population of Dublin and we don't need the finances either thankfully as we don't have them in the first place.We need to get organized,work smart and light a candle rather than always cursing the dark.

Sure Dublin got millions but they spent it well.

We need to get creative the schools coach initiative is a good start but coaches are limited to 18 blocks per school,this needs to be expanded,by right there shouldn't be a limit on this.

You have the situation in KK and Tipp where kids in 1st/2nd classes are playing games during school time be it class leagues,parish leagues or inter school leagues.Kids here start at 5/6 class with cumann na mbunscoil.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 22, 2017, 11:58:38 PM
Should be interesting

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/news/10019682/Martin_Fogarty_to_meet_Laois_Clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 23, 2017, 12:28:27 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 22, 2017, 05:11:33 PM
Quote from: Clubber Lang on February 22, 2017, 04:46:13 PM
The key to developing GAA is the schools and especially at primary level. Dublin pumped serious time, money and efforts (I know they are playing at a very different financial base) into the primary schools 10/15 years. Every school had access to dedicated and qualified Games development coaches who went into the schools promoting both football and hurling. Juvenile participation numbers rocketed as a result, especially the numbers playing hurling from areas that once never did. Kilmacud Crokes I believe have more U14 footballers then in the whole of Leitrim at present. While I'm not saying we can replicate the Dublin model as the resources aren't in the county, we can do more to up the participation levels and get children wanting to play hurling and football. Otherwise we are going to get left further and further behind.   

We don't have the population of Dublin and we don't need the finances either thankfully as we don't have them in the first place.We need to get organized,work smart and light a candle rather than always cursing the dark.

Sure Dublin got millions but they spent it well.

We need to get creative the schools coach initiative is a good start but coaches are limited to 18 blocks per school,this needs to be expanded,by right there shouldn't be a limit on this.

You have the situation in KK and Tipp where kids in 1st/2nd classes are playing games during school time be it class leagues,parish leagues or inter school leagues.Kids here start at 5/6 class with cumann na mbunscoil.

Who limits this?
Is this the coach that is part funded by the county board?

If the county board limit it, I'd imagine they are simply limiting the potential cost to them.
There is nothing to stop the club, through agreement with the school/schools in question, increasing the contact time at their own cost, or through the use of volunteers.
College students, shift workers, unemployed people- I'm sure every club has a handful who would be prepared to go in on a rota basis.
It would be the best investment of time and/or money that a club would ever make.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 23, 2017, 09:22:42 AM
I know Larry Wall in Arles used go into the primary school every Friday on his own time to get the kids playing football (both boys and girls) Don't know if he still does it but he did for years and most of those who played would have ended up with the Arles club. He did it for the love of the game and also to get future club players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 23, 2017, 09:39:25 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on February 23, 2017, 09:22:42 AM
I know Larry Wall in Arles used go into the primary school every Friday on his own time to get the kids playing football (both boys and girls) Don't know if he still does it but he did for years and most of those who played would have ended up with the Arles club. He did it for the love of the game and also to get future club players.
Cant blame them, isnt that why any club sends coaches into schools. I've even heard tell of a club sneaking a coach into a school not in their parish.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 23, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
Nature does abhor a vacuum Don  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

In relation to the club school initiative,the money is allocated from Croke Park to the County Board,maybe this is a radical concept but shouldn't HQ be asked for more funding if the budget is being over subscribed?,we seem to be fairly meek in this regard.

But I also take your point,Keyser that every club should be sending in its own people and be a bit more proactive also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 24, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
Good to see 23 different u12 teams entered in the 2017 go games.

A good few clubs putting in 2 teams.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 24, 2017, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 24, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
Good to see 23 different u12 teams entered in the 2017 go games.

A good few clubs putting in 2 teams.

Raheen Parish Gaels not entering Division 1? Or is that a mistake on the website?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 24, 2017, 11:36:32 PM
There wasn't a willingness to have a 9 team Division 1 and then a 6 team Division 2,which is understandable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 25, 2017, 08:10:54 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 24, 2017, 11:36:32 PM
There wasn't a willingness to have a 9 team Division 1 and then a 6 team Division 2,which is understandable.
Have they only entered 1 team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 25, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
Numbers weren't there to justify entering 2 teams
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 25, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 25, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
Numbers weren't there to justify entering 2 teams
I'm genuinely surprised, I'd have thought they'd easily have had the numbers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 25, 2017, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 25, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 25, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
Numbers weren't there to justify entering 2 teams
I'm genuinely surprised, I'd have thought they'd easily have had the numbers.

Same as.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 28, 2017, 09:30:12 PM
Laois Under-14 Hurling Panel for 2017 has been announced.



Adam
Ellis
Abbeyleix
Lawson
Obular
Abbeyleix
Darragh
McSpadden
Borris/Kilcotton
Noah
Quinlan
Borris/Kilcotton
Paddy
Sheeran
Borris/Kilcotton
Philip
Tynan
Borris/Kilcotton
Greg
Cuddy
Camross
Jack
Phelan
Camross
Finn
Lalor
Castletown/Slieve Bloom
Cian
Conroy
Clonaslee St Manmans
Padraigh
Brennan
Clough/Ballacolla
Lochlainn
Conway
Clough/Ballacolla
Joe
Corby
Clough/Ballacolla
Cillian
Dunne
Clough/Ballacolla
Paddy
Meade
Clough/Ballacolla
Josh
O'Brien Holmes
Mountrath
Michael
O'Brien
Mountrath
Tom
Fennelly
Na Fianna
Brian
Smith
Portlaoise
DJ
White
Portlaoise
David
O'Brien
Raheen Parish Gaels
Finian
Cuddy
Raheen Parish Gaels
Daniel
Bowe
Rathdowney/Errill
Ben
Campion
Rathdowney/Errill
Ryan
Costigan
Rathdowney/Errill
James
Keegan
Rathdowney/Errill
Padraigh
Rafter
Rathdowney/Errill
Aodh
Bowes
Rosenallis
David
Dooley
Rosenallis
Charlie
Friel
Rosenallis
Alex
Marron
Rosenallis
Darragh
Kelly
The Harps
Cathal
Murphy
The Harps
Stephen
Murphy
The Harps
Jim
O'Connor
The Harps
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on March 03, 2017, 11:37:17 AM
I see a good initiative being set up by Ballacollas Shane Maher & other Laois primary schools starting a Laois Cumann na mBunscoil team to improve our standards we done & best of luck.

Can anyone tell me who is managing & coaching our U12/14/15/16 Laois teams?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 11:53:29 AM
Details below on Laois Today,which is a fantastic resource on Twitter for all laois news

The initiative was set up by 2 Tipp teachers,I also heard that a number of schools refused to participate as the principals aren't that bothered about Gaelic games.

The hurling team is due to be announced shortly

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/03/02/laois-cumann-na-mbuncol-announce-new-initiative/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 03, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
It's great to hear some positive news o this front and well done to all those involved. Hopefully over time everyone will come on board from the schools around the county. Have to get the kids involved from as young an age as possible and make sure they enjoy it and want to stay.
Great news.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 03, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 11:53:29 AM
Details below on Laois Today,which is a fantastic resource on Twitter for all laois news

The initiative was set up by 2 Tipp teachers,I also heard that a number of schools refused to participate as the principals aren't that bothered about Gaelic games.

The hurling team is due to be announced shortly

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/03/02/laois-cumann-na-mbuncol-announce-new-initiative/

This is brilliant and should be encouraged at club level. In areas like Portlaoise in particular it could be revolutionary. Much of Waterford's success seems to come from promotion of GAA in the city and they have huge participation at schools levels.

If there are schools who are not involved in GAA promotion, they should be named and shamed. I'm sure not all the parents would be happy with disinterested principals.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 01:57:00 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on March 03, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 11:53:29 AM
Details below on Laois Today,which is a fantastic resource on Twitter for all laois news

The initiative was set up by 2 Tipp teachers,I also heard that a number of schools refused to participate as the principals aren't that bothered about Gaelic games.

The hurling team is due to be announced shortly

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/03/02/laois-cumann-na-mbuncol-announce-new-initiative/

This is brilliant and should be encouraged at club level. In areas like Portlaoise in particular it could be revolutionary. Much of Waterford's success seems to come from promotion of GAA in the city and they have huge participation at schools levels.

If there are schools who are not involved in GAA promotion, they should be named and shamed. I'm sure not all the parents would be happy with disinterested principals.

Its a curious one all right,its not as if the principals concerned actually have to do anything,one of the alleged schools recently won a C na B Division 1 title.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 03, 2017, 02:27:23 PM
If it's anyway successfull the remaining schools would be pressurised into participating. In fairness there would be plenty of schoolkids playing for clubs that would be going to different schools so nobody would want to be left out.
You wouldn't need to name and shame schools if a list of those participating was made public.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TP Ashe on March 03, 2017, 02:37:35 PM
Great to have ideas coming from the Tipps of this world. Credit to the teachers, especially thosefrom outside Laois.
I'd go easy on the schools too; this seems to be year 1. Let's see how it goes next year....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 02:53:51 PM
In a  lot of the strong hurling counties,kids are playing in class leagues and parish leagues at lunchtime and this isn't just kids in 5th and 6th class.

More CB support along with input from the local club,needs to be given to the schools,a lot of  teachers have no grounding  in GAA.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 06:38:53 PM
U14 feile hurling
"A" – 10 Teams – Borris in Ossory Kilcotton, Camross, Castletown Slieve Bloom, Clough Ballacolla, Portlaoise, Raheen parish Gaels, Rathdowney Errill, Rosenallis, St Lazerians Abbeyleix, The Harps;
"B" – 7 Teams – Ballinakill, Clonaslee St. Manmans, Na Fianna, Park Ratheniska Timahoe, Slieve Margy, St Fintans Mountrath, St

Interesting to see only 5 A u14 football teams in the county

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 03, 2017, 09:51:28 PM
Who grades the teams?Is it the County Board or the club?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: County baller on March 04, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
Laois minor hurlers beat Dublin in Leinster minor hurling league today, 2-13 to 1-13. Big change from the Laois schools game back in January!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 04, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
Great to see that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on March 05, 2017, 07:28:29 PM
Quote from: County baller on March 04, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
Laois minor hurlers beat Dublin in Leinster minor hurling league today, 2-13 to 1-13. Big change from the Laois schools game back in January!
Dublin u17 team from what I hear,Nevertheless I believe it was a decent performance. Backs played well.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on March 05, 2017, 07:43:02 PM
who told you that downtheroad it was Dublin u17team..were you at the game!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 06, 2017, 04:04:30 PM
According to the Dublingaa website it was the minor team. Where did you get u17 from?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 06, 2017, 04:19:34 PM
According to Reservoir Dubs site, it was the B team that played Laois. The A team was supposed to play Clare, but it was cancelled.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 06, 2017, 04:50:01 PM
Ah it's a conspiracy so. Making a laugh of the Laois lads!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on March 06, 2017, 07:12:57 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on March 06, 2017, 04:04:30 PM
According to the Dublingaa website it was the minor team. Where did you get u17 from?
A young lad who went to the game thought it was the U17 team as they physically did not look as strong or polished as one would expect from a Dublin minor hurling team. As mentioned above, the Dublin hurling forum have called it the B team. I think it's important to point out that we are not strong at minor hurling this year in case anyone is building their hopes up. In fact, it is the weakest team in at least 5 years. Nevertheless there are a couple of nice hurlers on the team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 06, 2017, 07:31:35 PM
Minor footballers get eviscerated by Cork, it gets talked away on here as them missing loads of players. Minor hurlers beat Dublin, we talk that away as well, saying arrah its an U17 Dublin development team who had to get a few U12's to make up the numbers.

I dont give a f**k, thats a slightly heartening result, regardless.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on March 06, 2017, 08:49:57 PM
Il put my colours to the mast here. I'm currently involved with the Minor set up and what I have to say is, they are as honest a bunch as iv come across, genuine in training and looking to achieve and get better. So for all those outside of the setup. Downtheroad Try bring some positivity and rationale to your statements with respect to this. How do you know that they cant be the best minor team we have ever had!!!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 06, 2017, 11:08:40 PM
Quote from: mountrath1 on March 06, 2017, 08:49:57 PM
Il put my colours to the mast here. I'm currently involved with the Minor set up and what I have to say is, they are as honest a bunch as iv come across, genuine in training and looking to achieve and get better. So for all those outside of the setup. Downtheroad Try bring some positivity and rationale to your statements with respect to this. How do you know that they cant be the best minor team we have ever had!!!!

Wouldn't we all love more than anything for them to be.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: honest hurler on March 06, 2017, 11:11:02 PM
Well said
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on March 06, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
just out of interest mountrath1 are you working with that minor team in a voluntary capacity or are you on an earner?

I watched the 2016 minor team in the two championship games in 2016. They were naïve and lost a game in tullamore that was there for the taking.  The second game against Dublin was an eye opener. I can stomach getting beat by a better team, and Dublin were superior across the park. What I was not impressed by was the physical shape of the Laois team compared to Dublin,  surely the element of physical conditioning should be a level playing field in this day and age. I hope that aspect is addressed with the 2017 squad and we do wish them well. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 07, 2017, 09:06:55 AM
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on March 06, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
just out of interest mountrath1 are you working with that minor team in a voluntary capacity or are you on an earner?

I watched the 2016 minor team in the two championship games in 2016. They were naïve and lost a game in tullamore that was there for the taking.  The second game against Dublin was an eye opener. I can stomach getting beat by a better team, and Dublin were superior across the park. What I was not impressed by was the physical shape of the Laois team compared to Dublin,  surely the element of physical conditioning should be a level playing field in this day and age. I hope that aspect is addressed with the 2017 squad and we do wish them well.
You'd like to think so, but Dublin are on another stratosphere. Underage players with food cards, and stores to go to, to get their supplements and groceries. Its terrifying when you actually see inside their set up. You'd wonder why we bother.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 07, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Where'd you hear that about the food cards Don?
There's no doubt that the sleeping giant that is Dublin have got their act together with regard to their underage structures and while it's great for Dublin and the GAA, it's not great for the competitiveness of the game in Leinster.  You can talk about unearthing talent all you want but there are only 4 aces in a pack of cards and if you hold 44 of those cards there's a far better chance you have the aces. Anyhow that's an argument for another thread!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 07, 2017, 09:50:18 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on March 07, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Where'd you hear that about the food cards Don?
There's no doubt that the sleeping giant that is Dublin have got their act together with regard to their underage structures and while it's great for Dublin and the GAA, it's not great for the competitiveness of the game in Leinster.  You can talk about unearthing talent all you want but there are only 4 aces in a pack of cards and if you hold 44 of those cards there's a far better chance you have the aces. Anyhow that's an argument for another thread!
From a Dublin underage nutritionist and development squad coach. The food card basically allows them/their parents cheaper/free, fruit/healthy foods from certain stores around Dublin. Its a gamechanger.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 07, 2017, 10:41:56 AM
The minor setup in Laois for the last few years has been very professional. They train like senior inter county players and have all the nutrition, conditioning coaches, physios etc. that could be wanted. You could even argue that there is a bit too much fluff and not enough hurling / hard graft.

I think the reserved caution around this years minors is that they weren't particularly successful in various competitions in earlier years (Tony Forrestal, Arrabawn, etc. etc.). Indications from the Schools A games and Mountrath CS results this year where most of team comes from were also that this team would struggle. There is also a view that the teams coming behind them U-15 to U-17 are a bit stronger.

That doesn't mean we won't be wishing them well.

Easy to find 20 physical and skillful hurlers when you have 50,000 odd kids hurling at schools level in Dublin. Tipp seemingly have a couple of 100 candidates to pick from for their minor panel every year as do KK and Cork. We have to find and motivate the best from a small pool so there will be some years where we have stronger teams than others but all deserve support.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 09, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on March 09, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 09, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
The Roscrea player is Enda Parlon who from Ballaghmore I believe, The work of Arien Delaney as he is expected to be playing adult level with Kyle unless he gets a transfer of course should he decide he wants one
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 10, 2017, 12:14:45 AM
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 09, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 09, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
The Roscrea player is Enda Parlon who from Ballaghmore I believe, The work of Arien Delaney as he is expected to be playing adult level with Kyle unless he gets a transfer of course should he decide he wants one

If he is a Roscrea player he will not need a transfer?
Is Arien involved with the minors? I thought he turned the job down?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on March 10, 2017, 06:09:43 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 10, 2017, 12:14:45 AM
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 09, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 09, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
The Roscrea player is Enda Parlon who from Ballaghmore I believe, The work of Arien Delaney as he is expected to be playing adult level with Kyle unless he gets a transfer of course should he decide he wants one

If he is a Roscrea player he will not need a transfer?
Is Arien involved with the minors? I thought he turned the job down?
As it is underage he will be grand(i think) as kyle dont have underage hurling and he has been playing with Laois since u15/16 as far as i know and thats when Arien was involved
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 10, 2017, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 10, 2017, 06:09:43 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 10, 2017, 12:14:45 AM
Quote from: hurlingmad on March 09, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on March 09, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
The Roscrea player is Enda Parlon who from Ballaghmore I believe, The work of Arien Delaney as he is expected to be playing adult level with Kyle unless he gets a transfer of course should he decide he wants one


And Ballaghmore is in County Laois so it is not as if he is an import.

If he is a Roscrea player he will not need a transfer?
Is Arien involved with the minors? I thought he turned the job down?
As it is underage he will be grand(i think) as kyle dont have underage hurling and he has been playing with Laois since u15/16 as far as i know and thats when Arien was involved
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 10, 2017, 12:35:52 PM
Any reason why he isn't playing for Borris? I assume he must have gone to primary school in Roscrea aswell and has friends/links there so.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on March 10, 2017, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on March 10, 2017, 12:35:52 PM
Any reason why he isn't playing for Borris? I assume he must have gone to primary school in Roscrea aswell and has friends/links there so.
He goes to school in mountrath so it is a perplexing case really
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 09:26:09 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 13, 2017, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 09:26:09 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems
Why?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 09:26:09 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems

Ballinakill as in the Ballinakill Park Ratheniska Gaels u16 team?

Slieve Margey players are cleared to play in this amalgamation,if that's what your on about.

The Portlaoise u16's conceded their game also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 13, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 09:26:09 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems

Ballinakill as in the Ballinakill Park Ratheniska Gaels u16 team?

Slieve Margey players are cleared to play in this amalgamation,if that's what your on about.

The Portlaoise u16's conceded their game also.

The 'Gaels' part should have been a giveaway.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on March 13, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 09:26:09 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems

Ballinakill as in the Ballinakill Park Ratheniska Gaels u16 team?

Slieve Margey players are cleared to play in this amalgamation,if that's what your on about.

The Portlaoise u16's conceded their game also.

The 'Gaels' part should have been a giveaway.

No i meant the senior game that was in heywood yesterday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:35:49 AM
Our Lady's Templemore v Kilkenny CBS All Ireland semi-final fixed for O'Moore Park, Portlaoise this Wednesday at 2pm.

For anyone that wants to see a top level schools game
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:37:16 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on March 13, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 09:26:09 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems

Ballinakill as in the Ballinakill Park Ratheniska Gaels u16 team?

Slieve Margey players are cleared to play in this amalgamation,if that's what your on about.

The Portlaoise u16's conceded their game also.

The 'Gaels' part should have been a giveaway.

No i meant the senior game that was in heywood yesterday

We thought you meant the u16 game,when you posted in the future of Laois Hurling thread.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ClashAsh on March 13, 2017, 08:12:37 PM
Does anybody actually know who was appointed as manager of Ballinakill senior hurlers? It was previously reported that a former intercounty manager was taking over but who actually ended up in the position.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on March 13, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
And if I can ask...Why are you worried about Ballinakill management at this time of the year!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ClashAsh on March 13, 2017, 10:30:47 PM
Jeez cool the jets. Had heard a while back or maybe read it in the newspaper they are set to appoint a former intercounty manager and was just curious who that was or who they ended up appointing. This is a general gaa forum where people discuss all sorts of GAA related topics?...yeah.?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 16, 2017, 05:28:40 PM
Leinster P.P. Sch. Juv. H. "A" League S/Final Full Time:
Good Counsel Col.  2-9, Laois Schools  0-13
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TP Ashe on March 17, 2017, 11:51:53 PM
90+ primary school boys at Cuman na bunscoil trials during the week.

Big take up from few schools in traditional hurling areas who hadn't previously attended. Final panel of 30 to be picked.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 31, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on April 01, 2017, 08:31:36 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 31, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right

whats the general approach in other counties? Dont think many use adult refs,but could be wrong. Possibly use refs from whatever the youth ref program is called.

Also the biggest driver of whether "ref it yourself" will work will be the behaviour or coaches and parents on the sideline

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 01, 2017, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: Target Man on April 01, 2017, 08:31:36 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 31, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right

whats the general approach in other counties? Dont think many use adult refs,but could be wrong. Possibly use refs from whatever the youth ref program is called.

Also the biggest driver of whether "ref it yourself" will work will be the behaviour or coaches and parents on the sideline
Yea, I agree here, not ideal but surely mentors are adult enough to referee a match fairly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 12:48:35 PM
Any serious hurling county has proper refs over u12 games

Laois has lost 15 refs in the past year and only replaced them with 5,a shortfall of 8 in one year alone.

There are 14/15 clubs not supplying any refs to either code,In the likes of Tipperary and Galway,If your Club does not supply a ref,your club cant play in any competitions,full stop.

One Final point,if a player gets injured,the first thing insurance will look for,is the refs report,if there's no ref .........
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on April 01, 2017, 01:58:46 PM
The clubs have to take responsibility as they are not supplying referees. The county board can't do much unless the clubs buy in. In any case the level of abuse emanating from the sideline would make anyone have to question why they would take up refereeing. However,  I don't see any reason why a go games ref 17/18 can't handle an under 12 game providing they is cop on coming from the line.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 02:59:18 PM
The clubs won't take any responsibility if they are let away with it.

Supposing we have a net loss of another 5/8 refs next year,what happens then?.

The solution is fairly simple,from 2018/2019 each club in Laois must have a ref in place,otherwise they are barred from all competitions.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on April 01, 2017, 07:30:20 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 31, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right

Jesus thats terrible. Not going to end well.
Not sure about forcing clubs to supply refs, if people dont want to do it they dont want to do it. The gaa is a volunteer led organisation at the end of the day.  I dont see the county board doing anything to try recruit referees?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 08:00:47 PM

With current attrition rate as regards refs,whats the odds that next year,a similar situation will  happen at u14 level and then the following year with  u16.

God forbid,we would take a leaf out of the galway or Tipp book,shur what would they know,there will be some amount of pontificating if an insurance company turns down an injured u12 players claim because there is no refs report.

Just another example of we not having our house in order.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 03, 2017, 01:02:16 PM
Wins for Rosenallis and Clonaslee in the A and B feile.

Hopefully they can win both their divisions and match last years representatives.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on April 03, 2017, 08:53:52 PM
Great quality hurling on show at half time on Saturday night from the Cumann na mBunscoil kids. A lot of good catches and intense tackling considering these lads wouldn't have played together previously. Just goes to show there is talent out there in our underage players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 03, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
Thete was a couple of right young lads alrigjt. They would have been better off having 2 games though.Must have been 20 a side.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:16:04 PM
Lads

Just reading the article in the Express where Rory Delaney made the point about an Easter Camp in Heywood for the underage football thereby making it difficult for players from the 3 major population centres to travel


Why isnt there 3/4 well located Easter Hurling camps in place also?

Also spoke to a friend of mine in Tipp last night,his young lad is playing regular  3rd and 4th class Cumann na mBunscoil games,they start with these games in 1st class as an introduction.Why do we only introduce these games at 5th and 6th class?.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 03, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
Thete was a couple of right young lads alrigjt. They would have been better off having 2 games though.Must have been 20 a side.

Obviously who ever was in charge wasn't aware of the benefits of small sided games at that level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 05, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 05, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 05, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 05, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
COE is the obvious place to hold it. Presume you cant hold 3/4 at the same time due to resources.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on April 05, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 05, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
COE is the obvious place to hold it. Presume you cant hold 3/4 at the same time due to resources.

We have 5 GDA's between hurling and football,I'm sure some of our college based hurlers and footballers are off for Easter and wouldn't say no to a few bob for coaching young lads,it's for 3 days,not exactly a full summer long cul camp program.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 05, 2017, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on April 05, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 05, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
COE is the obvious place to hold it. Presume you cant hold 3/4 at the same time due to resources.

We have 5 GDA's between hurling and football,I'm sure some of our college based hurlers and footballers are off for Easter and wouldn't say no to a few bob for coaching young lads,it's for 3 days,not exactly a full summer long cul camp program.
Doesn't mean its not still an issue in the eyes of the CB. Thats where the talk needs to be brought.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on April 05, 2017, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on April 05, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:53:50 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 05, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
COE is the obvious place to hold it. Presume you cant hold 3/4 at the same time due to resources.

We have 5 GDA's between hurling and football,I'm sure some of our college based hurlers and footballers are off for Easter and wouldn't say no to a few bob for coaching young lads,it's for 3 days,not exactly a full summer long cul camp program.
Doesn't mean its not still an issue in the eyes of the CB. Thats where the talk needs to be brought.

No doubt they are hanging on every word written here,Im sure at some stage the faceless critics on internet forums line will be wheeled out at a meeting.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 05, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:16:04 PM
Also spoke to a friend of mine in Tipp last night,his young lad is playing regular  3rd and 4th class Cumann na mBunscoil games,they start with these games in 1st class as an introduction.Why do we only introduce these games at 5th and 6th class?.

Some schools have entered 2nd teams in Cumann na mBunscoil competitions to cater for younger classes.
I'd imagine it comes down to having the required number of volunteers within the school.
Again, clubs could be proactive here in encouraging this to happen. Perhaps recruiting parents and volunteers to help with their local school?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 09:39:50 PM
How about putting in place a cumman na mbunscoil structure for the younger classes?.

I'm sure then the volunteers would come on board.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 06, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 09:39:50 PM
How about putting in place a cumman na mbunscoil structure for the younger classes?.

I'm sure then the volunteers would come on board.

Cumann na mbunscoil is run by teachers?
There are some members of your club involved I would imagine. Have you ever asked them to do so?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 06, 2017, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on April 06, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 09:39:50 PM
How about putting in place a cumman na mbunscoil structure for the younger classes?.

I'm sure then the volunteers would come on board.

Cumann na mbunscoil is run by teachers?
There are some members of your club involved I would imagine. Have you ever asked them to do so?

I believe the people in charge are both tipperary people,when I see them I will mention it to them,they haven't been in sitiu too long and have already a CnaB Laois schools panel in place,so no doubt they would be implementing more initiatives which have worked in Tipp.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on April 06, 2017, 01:07:29 PM
In Dublin there are Junior and Senior leagues in CnamB so from about 3/4th class on children are involved in playing matches. Different areas also run their own area leagues as well e.g. Fingal League which is for both Junior and Senior teams. If involved in both-playing football and hurler that is a considerable amount of games, aiding the development of young players. However, it relies hugely on the voluntary work of teachers to keep this going. We need to get more of our footballers and hurlers into the teaching career. Works well for the Kilkenny, Tipp and Waterford hurlers having so many go into teaching and then return to teach locally. They naturally end up getting involved in the coaching of teams at school and club level. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on April 06, 2017, 11:36:18 PM
Cuman na mbunscoil is ran by the schools/teachers. Each school varies massively as to the commitment put into the teams. Some schools dont bother, some schools have great teachers involved and interested in the Gaa. Some schools allow local club coaches in to run it or coach or help out, some dont. I think theres also a limit to how many pupils can go on match days?
If the Gaa were truly trying to promote our games then the schools is where its at. Thats where they should be focusing most of their time, effort and money. They should be looking at ways to ensure every school has a good coach going in to coach from junior infants upwards. I know the school/club link exists but this is driven at local level and its very hard to get a coach interested enough, with the right personality, and a job that suits, to go into a school to coach. This is where funding and effort comes in from our county board and croke park itself. If we can get kids hooked on hurling and/or football in school then the numbers and talent within clubs will rise a lot easier.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 06, 2017, 11:42:02 PM
Is that not somewhere Colm Begley should be going along with other GDA's.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on April 06, 2017, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 06, 2017, 11:42:02 PM
Is that not somewhere Colm Begley should be going along with other GDA's.

They do, but not nearly enough. And it doesn't mean schools will do anything other than the odd days coaching from the GDAs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Town3FB on April 07, 2017, 12:25:36 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on April 07, 2017, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: Town3FB on April 07, 2017, 12:25:36 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.

????
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 07:20:00 AM
Quote from: Town3FB on April 07, 2017, 12:25:36 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.
Are you on drugs?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on April 07, 2017, 09:56:31 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 07:20:00 AM
Quote from: Town3FB on April 07, 2017, 12:25:36 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.
Are you on drugs?
Jesus Obviously

Johnny Depp more coherent in Las Vegas
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on April 07, 2017, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: Town3FB on April 07, 2017, 12:25:36 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.

As first posts go; that's a doozy.

We have obvious deficits within our juvenile structures; a lot of them are to do with primary school-aged coaching and crucial early skills development. Cumann na mBunscol Laoise are actually considered one of the better county units in Leinster and there seems to be a fresh impetus now at extending into the area of Development Squads, hopefully with a view to identifying talent at an earlier age and improving the level and quality of young player who will enter into the first Laois GAA Development Squads at U14 level. Best of luck to those involved and I hope Laois GAA and the clubs continue to back this initiative.Despite a strong Tipperary influence, I actually believe the driving forces here are Laois-born teachers.

I haven't seen the Hurling panel listed anywhere. Has it been circulated beyond the schools/players themselves?
I understand they had their first session on Wednesday in Clonad. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 08, 2017, 02:10:03 PM
https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/850691826508075008/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/850691826508075008/photo/1)

This is great to see. Two squads down in Limerick and performing well. They will be moving into the senior ranks in the near future. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 08, 2017, 03:24:58 PM
Minor hurling game against Offaly is going well. 1-09 to 0-06 for Laois. Live blog updates on Laois today website.

What a great new resource Laois Today is for GAA followers. Fair play to Stephen Millar and the rent of them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: justinn on April 08, 2017, 04:38:42 PM
Well done to the minors today, best of luck the next day against the Dubs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on April 08, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Great win. You couldn't beat them by enough! Hopefully give the dubs a good game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 08, 2017, 08:43:37 PM
V Dublin in Portlaoise next Saturday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 08, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Camarillo Brillo on April 11, 2017, 10:27:55 AM
The Cumann na mBunscol team has been announced:

Colin Byrne (Abbeyleix//St Lazerian's Abbeyleix)
Conor Dooley (Abbeyleix/St Lazerian's Abbeyleix)
Edward Meade (Ballacolla/Clough-Ballacolla)
Tomás Moore (Ballinakill/Ballinakill)
Robbie Kennedy (Ballinakill/Ballinakill)
Jack Fitzpatrick (Borris-In-Ossory/Borris-Kilcotton)
Shane Higgins (Camross/Camross)
Josh Hynes (Camross/Camross)
Eoghan Cuddy (Camross/Camross)
Ciaran McKelvey (Castletown/Castletown-Slieve Bloom)
Jay Cuddy (Castletown/Castletown-Slieve Bloom)
Kevin Hyland (Clough/Clough/Ballacolla)
Cormac Hogan (Clough/Clough/Ballacolla)
Thomas Brennan (Clough/Clough/Ballacolla)
Fionn Kempster (Derrylamogue/Rosenallis)
Ciaran Flynn (Durrow/The Harps)
Bobby Murphy (Durrow/The Harps)
Mikey Fennelly (Emo/St Pauls)
Sean Downey (Emo/St Pauls)
Jack Byrne (Graiguecullen/Graiguecullen)
Barry Fitzpatrick (Holy Family Portlaoise/Portlaoise)
Jer Quinlan (Killadooley/Borris-Kilcotton)
James Cuddy (Killanure/Camross)
Ben Deegan (Killanure/Camross)
Kevin Byrne (Killanure/Camross)
Tom Cuddy (Killanure/Camross)
Mark Cusack (Mountrath/Mountrath)
Jack Breen (Paddock/Castletown-Slieve Bloom)
Aaron Phelan (Rushall/Castletown-Slieve Bloom)
Conor Brown (The Heath-Portlaoise)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 11, 2017, 11:22:50 AM
http://www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=5393023597001&teideal=GAA%202017%20&series=GAA%202017&dlft=35v

Laois v Offaly game at 35 minutes in.

The Delaney chap at centre back looks a decent player. Couple of good young lads on that team. It will be interesting to see how they get on against Dublin on Saturday. Any Dublin based lads going to tip up to it?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: GAA-SMART on April 11, 2017, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 08, 2017, 08:43:37 PM
V Dublin in Portlaoise next Saturday.

3pm in Parnell Park Saturday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 12, 2017, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 08, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 12, 2017, 05:28:09 PM
Did he play in any of the Leinster league games?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 12, 2017, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 12, 2017, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 08, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
I believe he was ineligible and our CB were made aware of this only on Thursday night last.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 13, 2017, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 12, 2017, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 12, 2017, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 08, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
I believe he was ineligible and our CB were made aware of this only on Thursday night last.

He will likely go to b/k and is also highly rated as a full back prospect in roscrea
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 13, 2017, 12:05:58 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 13, 2017, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 12, 2017, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 12, 2017, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 08, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
I believe he was ineligible and our CB were made aware of this only on Thursday night last.

if hes that highly rated,Im surprised the Tipp minor management werent in for him.

He will likely go to b/k and is also highly rated as a full back prospect in roscrea
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 13, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 13, 2017, 12:05:58 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 13, 2017, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 12, 2017, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 12, 2017, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 08, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
I believe he was ineligible and our CB were made aware of this only on Thursday night last.

if hes that highly rated,Im surprised the Tipp minor management werent in for him.

He will likely go to b/k and is also highly rated as a full back prospect in roscrea
highly rated in a club that hasnt won a whole lot recently  is what i meant. Im sure the Tipp machine wont be stressing either way
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 13, 2017, 12:50:13 PM
I think Roscrea are finally getting their act together underage,a club with a fairly prestigious history
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 13, 2017, 02:22:44 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 13, 2017, 12:50:13 PM
I think Roscrea are finally getting their act together underage,a club with a fairly prestigious history
Yeah so I hear, it used to be untold of to not see a roscrea man or 2 on the tipp team..onto laois though iv never seen young parlon hurl but he is as good as what we have in defence i believe, typical full back
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 14, 2017, 12:48:27 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 14, 2017, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 14, 2017, 12:48:27 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.

A certain hurry as he may or may not be known
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 14, 2017, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 14, 2017, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 14, 2017, 12:48:27 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.

A certain hurry as he may or may not be known

How could it possible be his fault?
Player registrations/eligibility etc etc go well above the head of development squad coaches.
Silly comment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on April 15, 2017, 01:10:34 PM
Very good display by Laois u14s this morning against Wexford winning by 5 points. Good strength in depth in this squad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 15, 2017, 03:39:56 PM
Minors 1 point up at H/T,playing into a strong wind in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 15, 2017, 04:27:04 PM
1 point up with 8 mins to go,lost by 3

Dublin finished that bit stronger
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 15, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on April 14, 2017, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 14, 2017, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 14, 2017, 12:48:27 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.

A certain hurry as he may or may not be known

How could it possible be his fault?
Player registrations/eligibility etc etc go well above the head of development squad coaches.
Silly comment.

I know his father well and that seems to be the case, be it a silly comment or not it seems to be the talk of the town as they say. May it be false i retract it
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 15, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 15, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on April 14, 2017, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: hurlingmad on April 14, 2017, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on April 14, 2017, 12:48:27 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.

A certain hurry as he may or may not be known

How could it possible be his fault?
Player registrations/eligibility etc etc go well above the head of development squad coaches.
Silly comment.

I know his father well and that seems to be the case, be it a silly comment or not it seems to be the talk of the town as they say. May it be false i retract it

I don't know the chap, I don't know where he lives etc
BUT
If I was Chairman or Secretary of a club and a "new" player suddenly became eligible to play for us, or a player from outside our catchment area turned up to play for us, I know that I would be assuming responsibility for checking out that this was all above board.
A mentor telling me that it was "all ok" wouldn't be the extent of my investigation. A very strange scenario.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 15, 2017, 10:16:55 PM
Yep

If a new lad wanders into us,first thing  we do is get the club secretary to get onto the county board with his name,dob etc to see if he is ok to play with us.

I had presumed this would be a fairly simple task,but then again nothing surprises me at this stage.

I also believe there is shenanigans going on in relation to a birth certificate or lack of with an underage Abbeyleix player
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 16, 2017, 11:15:32 AM
Our minors did well yesterday and have the bonus of another game in 2 weeks time.

For a supposedly poor enough minor team they impressed meand there is certainly a few players you could see going on to be decent seniors. If a couple of the minors teams in the last few years had the workrate of this lot they may have done better. The hooking, blocking and chasing was non stop so fair play to them. I thought they matched Dublin fairly well in the skills and technique but lacked the physicality 1 to 15.

There were a couple of hefty challenges by the Dubs that went unpunished but they did eventually have a man sent off for a second yellow. Ciaran Comerford is a fine player and great to win his own ball and has the tricks.

I was impressed with them and as long as we can get a few decent hurlers to go on and compete at senior it's a good return.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on April 21, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
Enda Parlon's transfer to Borris/Kilcotton went through yesterday. Presume he'll be OK for the next game?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 21, 2017, 11:24:12 AM
That's good news.

Meath next up for the minors tomorrow week in O'Moore Park @ 3pm in the quarter final with the semi finals down for May 13th. Wexford play Offaly in the other quarter while Dublin and KK have already booked their place in the semi finals.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on April 25, 2017, 06:30:27 PM
Big wknd for laois hurling starting on Saturday with the minors. I have been pleasantly surprised with this group, they were very weak at u14,15 & 16 level but they seemed to be heading in the right direction. Great win against Offaly albeit Offaly are missing a good few who won't commit due to the management apparently. Then a big performance in Dublin, unfortunately they couldn't see it out. Meath will be no walkover tho as they hammered Westmeath by a cricket score. I believe Enda Parlon is available this weekend so that's a plus. Hopefully they can beat Meath and have a crack at one of the big guns. Fair play to the management team they seem to have the team fit and finely tuned. They remind me of some of the Offaly teams of old, getting the best out of themselves and not afraid to have a go. It's funny, this team were given no chance at the start of the year while last years team was supposed to be one of the best ever. Anyway best of luck to all concerned on Saturday.

Just a word on the under 21s, I'd be hoping they will do better than last years group anyway which was a disaster. Cha is gone but there are 13 guys getting good experience with the senior panel. I think  D Hartnett, R Mullaney, L Bergin, S Downey, L Cleere, E Killeen, A Dunphy, P Simms, L O Connell, A Corby, M Kavanagh, J Lennon and B Corby are all on the senior panel. S Phelan, R Phelan, J Geaney, S Dunphy, A Bergin, A Mortimer, E Cuddy would be other notable additions if available
C Phelan is injured.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 25, 2017, 09:36:48 PM
The fact they have a proven manager over them must make a difference. They worked very hard against Dublin, more than recent minor teams. Skill levels are very good too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 26, 2017, 09:58:13 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/04/24/armagh-ireland-winner-now-part-laois-hurling-backroom-team/

What do folk make of this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on April 27, 2017, 03:34:48 AM
Personally, I think it's a waste of money. Now we have an outside manager, two high profile outside coaches Ollie Moran and Conor Gleeson and now Oisin McConville. Sure they are probably adding to the set up but at what cost? I'm pretty sure they are not doing it for nothing and according to the Offaly boys Eamonn Kelly stuck them for big money. It's great to see such a professional set up, however I'm not sure how much our senior team can be improved that much and I think we are as far off a provincial final appearance as we have been for 30 years. I've said all of this before...until we sort out a real proper nursery/underage development structure I don't think we will improve enough to start challenging for bigger honours. We need to start producing competitive development squads every year to feed into the minor teams and start challenging at minor and under 21 level before we see a notable improvement in our seniors. Sadly our Co Board have no interest in developing the game for the future.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 27, 2017, 10:41:49 AM
I know this is a radical concept but why not do both simultaneously,Tobias
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 27, 2017, 11:29:45 AM
I don't live in Laois at the moment and would be from the football side of the county however I try and keep updated on all things hurling.
Maybe i'm wrong but there seems to be plenty going on underage in the county and we have the Cumann na mbunscol being better organised this year and a panel being created. The Setanta programme is there for 11 to 13 year olds and you have developement squads for all age groups up to minor.

Bar the win over Dublin a few years back the U21 grade has been a disaster. The minors have been reasonably competitive although beaten by Offaly last year.

I think the county board have been very proactive with their hurling appointments this time for both senior and minor bringing in proven management teams. Cost is an issue that has to be dealt with however I would assume that the grant from Croke Park is freeing up some funds for this.

As Cheddar said you have to have a good competitive senior team for the young lads to look up to and aspire to. Members of the senior team get involved in the kids training camps which all helps in keeping these kids hurling.

From what I read, hear and see the hurling set up underage isn't that bad and appears, although I am open to correction, to be in a more healthy state that the football.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 27, 2017, 11:32:34 AM
http://www.laoisgaa.ie/contentPage/48190/what_we_do (http://www.laoisgaa.ie/contentPage/48190/what_we_do)

From the Laois GAA site. Fairly comprehensive list of activities going on. How well are they being implemented?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 27, 2017, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: Tobias on April 27, 2017, 03:34:48 AM
Sadly our Co Board have no interest in developing the game for the future.

That is probably quite harsh - and unfair. Have you seen the resources that are being pumped into the development squads? They get endless coaching sessions, are entered into loads of competitions, have exposure to some very strong coaches and the set-ups are like senior set ups - nutritionists, physios, hot meals, great facilities. Managers are carefully selected and work hard too. I would have been really critical of them for many years but fair is fair. A great example is this years minor team. Not viewed as being full of talent but hammered Offaly and ran Dublin very close in their back yard. Some of the coaches and selectors we bring in from stronger counties will say that our set up and commitment is as good as any.

The challenge in Laois is that it needs to be that and better if we ever want to make a breakthrough because we simply don't have the numbers. The other criticism I would have is that, with some very strong exceptions, the club coaching structures are not close enough to the development squad coaching. I know some lads who manage U-14 and U-16 teams who have little time for modern skills coaching and produce teams that don't have the basic skills.

Seemingly in Tipp and KK there are literally 100s of lads fighting it out to make the final development squads and minor panels. We have loads of interest and produce some good hurlers every year but there is a big difference between producing 1 x Cha Dwyer every 5 years or so and producing 5 every year. At least with good coaching structures there is a chance but weight of numbers means that we are fighting an up-hill battle.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 28, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
I agree with alot of the sentiments here that things are finally improving, but there are other glaring issues here that I will point out:

* Many of our schools are doing sweet FA to promote hurling and dare I say, are secretly trying to discourage it.
* Alot of parents are not putting in the effort to encourage their kids to play and it's left to the few die-hard parents.
* County Board need to be designing and implementing courses that are tailor made for clubs and going into the clubs grounds to do these - there is little point in asking clubs to send in people to Portlaoise on a wet Tuesday night for an hour here and there.
* Insurance costs are rising at an alarming rate and this needs to be seriously addressed.
* Referees need to be trained better and some of them are actually a hindrance to the game, that said there needs to be better respect shown for refs. Perhaps set up a carrot-and-donkey system: Referees rate each team on the level of co-operation and respect shown for every game. Teams will get a grant at the end of the year based on their score.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on April 28, 2017, 11:12:28 AM
Would agree with this G@@.

There is also a problem at club level with coaches. I know its hard to get people involved but if they dont have
adequate knowledge it seems to be a waste.
at juvenile level its so important to get this right and yet you see fathers dragged in to give a hand, when in fact it would be great to see the older teams giving back something to the club (I know this is all voluntary and a big ask)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 29, 2017, 03:36:11 PM
Laois 1-16 v 0-05 Meath at half time in the Leinster Minor HC.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 29, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
Not all that surprised at that score.

Falling asleep in the second half though. 10 minutes to go and only 6 points in it. Jaysus what is it with Laois teams that they cannot hold onto a big lead?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 29, 2017, 04:44:31 PM
There was a really strong wind all through. Favoured Leix in the first half, and Meath in the second. Meath had a big win over Westmeath, so wouldn't be all that bad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 11, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
I saw a picture during the week from Laois minor training where alot of lads were in KK jerseys. I can see the merit in it but wonder will it help much.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 11, 2017, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 11, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
I saw a picture during the week from Laois minor training where alot of lads were in KK jerseys. I can see the merit in it but wonder will it help much.

It's a standard enough 'desensitization' method. Never saw it work before. I'll bet you KK are not wearing Laois jerseys!!

Best of luck to our boys on Saturday. Seems an honest bunch of lads with plenty of skill who have worked hard. Hope they do themselves justice.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 11, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 11, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
I saw a picture during the week from Laois minor training where alot of lads were in KK jerseys. I can see the merit in it but wonder will it help much.
Camross jerseys, but same thing really.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 12, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Maybe someone in the know could confirm this?

is the u14 grade being abolished in 2018 and a new u15 grade being brought in

Also will there be a new u13 grade brought in

Lads out of u12 will hardly be expected to play at u15 (if that level is introduced)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on May 12, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 12, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Maybe someone in the know could confirm this?

is the u14 grade being abolished in 2018 and a new u15 grade being brought in

Also will there be a new u13 grade brought in

Lads out of u12 will hardly be expected to play at u15 (if that level is introduced)
Yes. It's going odd ages the whole way. Under 17, 15, 13, 11 etc.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 12, 2017, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: SCFC on May 12, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 12, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Maybe someone in the know could confirm this?

is the u14 grade being abolished in 2018 and a new u15 grade being brought in

Also will there be a new u13 grade brought in

Lads out of u12 will hardly be expected to play at u15 (if that level is introduced)
Yes. It's going odd ages the whole way. Under 17, 15, 13, 11 etc.
Thanks for that SCFC.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: justinn on May 12, 2017, 03:07:58 PM
Proposed Changes to Underage Games Structure
2017 Grade      Structure      2018 Grade
Under 8       Go Games Nursery   Under 7
Under 10       Go Games      Under 9
Under 12      Mini Leagues      Under 11
Under 14      Competitive      Under 13
Under 16      Competitive      Under 15
Under 18 (Minor)   Competitive      Under 17
Under 21 (Football)   Competitive      Under 19
Under 21 (Hurling)   Competitive      Under 20

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 12, 2017, 11:26:45 PM
Quote from: justinn on May 12, 2017, 03:07:58 PM
Proposed Changes to Underage Games Structure
2017 Grade      Structure      2018 Grade
Under 8       Go Games Nursery   Under 7
Under 10       Go Games      Under 9
Under 12      Mini Leagues      Under 11
Under 14      Competitive      Under 13
Under 16      Competitive      Under 15
Under 18 (Minor)   Competitive      Under 17
Under 21 (Football)   Competitive      Under 19
Under 21 (Hurling)   Competitive      Under 20
I think it's a good idea to go under 17 back as it means there is a clear split between adult and juvenile which will do no harm for scheduling.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 13, 2017, 12:31:49 PM
Best of luck to minors today. They deserve great credit for performances to date and they have shown that a team is bigger than any one individual. In fairness, there are some very good hurlers on this team who keep their heads down and get on with it.  My main concern is the relative strength of schools hurling between the 2 counties which highlights the challenge facing the lads today.  All they can do is their best.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 13, 2017, 04:09:52 PM
Kk 21 points up with 10 mins to go

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 13, 2017, 04:23:22 PM
A 30 point hiding off a Kk team who I'd be very surprised will be around in September.


We are miles behind the serious hurling counties in every facet of the modern game.

And before anyone thinks I'm slating this group of lads,I'm not
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: honest hurler on May 13, 2017, 05:17:01 PM
o my god this puts laois back 10 years and the fact that this bunch of lads are honest and hard working is all the worst we must now look at where this went wrong is it at management door or why are we just happy to  beat the likes meath and think that we have our job done
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 13, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: honest hurler on May 13, 2017, 05:17:01 PM
o my god this puts laois back 10 years and the fact that this bunch of lads are honest and hard working is all the worst we must now look at where this went wrong is it at management door or why are we just happy to  beat the likes meath and think that we have our job done
As a previous poster  pointed out Kilkenny are no great shakes. Not just with team Laois is well behind the big guns but a lot of the stuff today was self inflicted. There were too many unforced errors in the first half to allow us stay in the game. The sending off in the second half was a shocker. It appears it was a second yellow card for mouthing back at the ref. If that is the case this is totally unacceptable at inter county level. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: smcder on May 13, 2017, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on May 13, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
The sending off in the second half was a shocker. It appears it was a second yellow card for mouthing back at the ref. 

Is that what it was for?  Couldn't tell.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 13, 2017, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: smcder on May 13, 2017, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on May 13, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
The sending off in the second half was a shocker. It appears it was a second yellow card for mouthing back at the ref. 

Is that what it was for?  Couldn't tell.
He picked up a yellow card in the first half and the free conceded in the incident was innocuous.Not even sure he even  conceded the free but I take it he did. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: smcder on May 13, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
I remember the one in the first half. I think the ref was pointing around the place as if it was for persistent fouling. Missed the free in the second half.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 13, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
It was hardly even as foul, as far as I could see. Not too impressed w/ the ref. overall.
Anyway, Leix were miles away. They seemed in awe of Kilkenny, and I'd certainly say they'd have fared quite well had they played Wexford. Must be a psychological thing w/ Kilkenny - they were afraid to take them on, or fight for the breaks, until y'r man was sent off early in the second half - and then, ironically, they went at it a bit more. Of course, it was to no avail, because the concession of three exceedingly sloppy goals in the second half took the wind from their sails completely. Apart from the two Comerfords, the pick of the forwards was James Keyes, who put in a spirited display, while Delaney at centre back caught some good ball. Other than that, where do you look? A couple of the subs had a bit of go in them, but midfield was pretty anonymous, and the backs stood off Kilkenny way too much.
However, it's not fair to throw the hat at them completely. Kilkenny will certainly win Leinster, and I disagree that they won't be seen come September. Also, I think management did well w/ what they had - got to a Leinster semi-final which, let's face it, last year's lot didn't do. Beat Offaly and Meath, and maybe could have beaten Dublin w/ a bit more luck. It was a minor team that wasn't rated at the start of the year, so to get to a semi is fine. OK, they let themselves down badly in the end, but they were never going to win, and they knew it. Things like protecting the hand going for a catch need working on in this county, as well. I suppose it's things like that allied w/ the fear of Kilkenny that led to the pounding today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 13, 2017, 09:59:15 PM
Laois were woeful in the air and seemed unable to catch a ball let alone hold onto it. When you're loosing the aerial battle 90% of the time it's curtains regarding staying in the game. I'm looking at Laois teams for close on three decades now and year after year it's the same ills:

* Inability to catch let alone hold a ball
* Inability to rise the ball quickly and drive out into space
* Inability to read the game and get into good positions when a team-mate has the ball
* Constantly hitting the ball in hope - usually to the opposition who has half fecking acre to launch another attack
* Constantly getting bottled up and being forced to spill ball
* Stupid slaps in front of the referee

Why are coaches and mentors not able to see this and address the issue? What are these minor teams being trained to do? It seems there is a 1970's Laois Hurling training manual that is compulsory for every Laois manager to read and implement to the letter once appointed to the role. It's the definition of stupidity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Yes, this was a limited Laois team today, but no way should they have been tanked by 30pts. That referee was a sickener dishing out cards like confetti - there was hardly a dirty stroke all day. The timing of the sending off was detrimental. Referees like that are going to be the death of hurling.

As for Kilkenny, they have a nice few talented hurlers in the squad and although they didn't set the world alight in the first half, they know how to draw blood when it counts. They will no doubt climb the steps of the hogan stand in September.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 13, 2017, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: G@@ on May 13, 2017, 09:59:15 PM


Why are coaches and mentors not able to see this and address the issue? What are these minor teams being trained to do? It seems there is a 1970's Laois Hurling training manual that is compulsory for every Laois manager to read and implement to the letter once appointed to the role. It's the definition of stupidity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


Have you ever prepared a team at any level?
Ridiculous aul shite you are spouting there.

Laois were well beaten. We were nowhere near good enough. Unfortunately.
Laois had a couple of very progressive and methodical people involved in both hurling and S&C coaching. Neither of those two deserve to be tainted with that the idea that they don't employ modern methods and attempt to address shortcomings like the ones listed above.
It is not computer programming. There are variables involved, particularly when dealing with young lads, and even  more so when faced with opposition like Kilkenny. Things go wrong. The arse falls out of things on the day sometimes.
It doesn't mean that those preparing the team didn't see what was to be done and try to do it.

And as for honest hurler. Back with another agenda I see. Maybe it is time to look a bit closer to home for the answer to all these problems.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 13, 2017, 11:55:32 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on May 13, 2017, 11:45:12 PM
Have you ever prepared a team at any level?
Ridiculous aul shite you are spouting there.

It is not computer programming.

Whoa, obviously hit a nerve there with ya. Well let me indulge you without resorting to calling out my observations as "Ridiculous aul shite you are spouting there"

NO, I have not ever prepared a team, so by that token if the shortcomings I've identified above are that obvious to a half dim-wit like me who couldn't prepare a team then what the holy jaysus fook are the lads who are supposed to be preparing them looking at?

Secondly, regarding computer programming - that is EXACTLY what it is. These Kilkenny lads, Tipp lads are brought into county setups where the boy is broken down and the man is built up and shown how to hurl with steel and intelligence.

I saw 18 men versus 1 man in Portlaoise today. 15 were wearing black and amber jerseys, one was their manager, one was the referee and finally only one had the honour to don' the blue and white.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 13, 2017, 11:58:00 PM
Quote from: G@@ on May 13, 2017, 09:59:15 PM
Laois were woeful in the air and seemed unable to catch a ball let alone hold onto it. When you're loosing the aerial battle 90% of the time it's curtains regarding staying in the game. I'm looking at Laois teams for close on three decades now and year after year it's the same ills:

* Inability to catch let alone hold a ball
* Inability to rise the ball quickly and drive out into space
* Inability to read the game and get into good positions when a team-mate has the ball
* Constantly hitting the ball in hope - usually to the opposition who has half fecking acre to launch another attack
* Constantly getting bottled up and being forced to spill ball
* Stupid slaps in front of the referee

Why are coaches and mentors not able to see this and address the issue? What are these minor teams being trained to do? It seems there is a 1970's Laois Hurling training manual that is compulsory for every Laois manager to read and implement to the letter once appointed to the role. It's the definition of stupidity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Yes, this was a limited Laois team today, but no way should they have been tanked by 30pts. That referee was a sickener dishing out cards like confetti - there was hardly a dirty stroke all day. The timing of the sending off was detrimental. Referees like that are going to be the death of hurling.

As for Kilkenny, they have a nice few talented hurlers in the squad and although they didn't set the world alight in the first half, they know how to draw blood when it counts. They will no doubt climb the steps of the hogan stand in September.

Touch of Stockholm syndrome there,agh shur Kilkenny bate us but they will
win the all ireland

We shall revisit this in September,but I would have my doubts
Tipp with 5/6 of last years team plus the templemore contingent I'd have down as favourites,Cork were the only ones who gave them a game last year that and the fact that the development work at u14/16 these past few years should start to come through at minor level and Galway being Galway are never too far away either.

The rest of your post I couldn't find fault with

Next weds night in the Centre of Excellence,Laois are down to play the Tipperary  north division (4 divisions in Tipp)in the celtic u17 challenge,it will be interesting to see will we have learnt anything at this age level
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 14, 2017, 12:09:41 AM
Quote from: G@@ on May 13, 2017, 11:55:32 PM

I saw 18 men versus 1 man in Portlaoise today. 15 were wearing black and amber jerseys, one was their manager, one was the referee and finally only one had the honour to don' the blue and white.

Could you elaborate on this for those of us who don't live inside your head?

On the other points.
Every team has it's limitations. Particularly at minor level.
Identifying problems and coming up with ways to ATTEMPT to address them is vital to any management/coaching set up.
You correctly identify this as important.
It is a massive assumption to suggest that this did not happen.

Computers do what they are told and when programmed properly operate 100% all the time. There are no variables (Opposition, nerves, human error etc etc)
It is not comparable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 14, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
We were all pre-warned. Everyone. If you didn't know this was a minor panel who struggled at 14/15/16 level then shame on you.

Look, today was ugly. It was bad. Really bad.
But the Dublin game could have been just the same. We had a plan and we stuck to it doggedly. Kilkenny saw our plan, our limitations and exploited both and more.

We prepared a team very well this last two months. It wasn't a great team and with 3 exceptions, it won't be a team heralded for producing Laois Senior Hurlers.

Fair play to everyone involved and I mean pretty much everyone. We had a management team that inspired a decent team with literally zero input from the actual manager. Christy Walsh will leave having had absolutely no impact, provided no impetus and done little but drain our coffers of valuable resources. Plenty commenting here know this as a fact and I can't for the life of me figure out why it hasn't been said before now. Our Minor panel of 2017 performed admirably.

In my opinion, we have better teams to follow and I hope we see definite improvements, we'll see that if they buy in like this year's minors did.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 14, 2017, 01:44:16 AM
Quote from: merman on May 14, 2017, 01:30:54 AM

We were all pre-warned. Everyone. If you didn't know this was a minor panel who struggled at 14/15/16 level then shame on you. You're an idiot.

Look, today was ugly. It was bad. Really bad.
But the Dublin game could have been just the same. We had a plan and we stuck to it doggedly. Kilkenny saw our plan, our limitations and exploited both and more.

We prepared a team very well this last two months. It wasn't a great team and with 3 exceptions, it won't be a team heralded for producing Laois Senior Hurlers.

Fair play to everyone involved and I mean pretty much everyone. We had a management team that inspired a decent team with literally zero input from the actual manager. Christy Walsh will leave having had absolutely no impact, provided no impetus and done little but drain our coffers of valuable resources. Plenty commenting here know this as a fact and I can't for the life of me figure out why it hasn't been said before now. Our Minor panel of 2017 performed admirably.

In my opinion, we have better teams to follow and I hope we see definite improvements, we'll see that if they buy in like this year's minors did.

100% the truth. I suppose people just don't like coming out with stuff like that. But it is the truth from what I know of what has been going on.

There are others involved who deserve credit. They shouldn't be ridiculed.

Quote from: merman on May 14, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
Our Minor panel of 2017 performed admirably.

All you can do is work hard and ATTEMPT to reach the maximum heights possible with the talent at your disposal. Today was my 3rd time watching this team this year, but I've seen a good bit of most of the players. They are simply not there.
I echo the above statement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 14, 2017, 09:19:04 AM
There are lads on here who obviously know a lot more about the hurling scene in Laois than I do but I think some of the commentary here is very harsh towards these young players.

I've watched them twice this year and I really admire the character that they've been showing all through. I wish some of their more talented compatriots in blue and white would show the same character sometimes.

The two Comerfords (and especially Ciaran) are lovely hurlers and our centre back was certainly a lot better than theirs. I thought James Keyes showed plenty of energy and fight too. I would be very happy indeed to see these lads progress onto the senior team.

Kilkenny were the better team yesterday for sure. But they weren't 30 points the better team. The sending off (which was totally bizarre) really destroyed any prospect of a decent game.

I can't imagine that Kilkenny will be too far away in September. Their physicality will be too much for most minor teams. I don't think Galway are likely to be a serious threat this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 14, 2017, 09:21:53 AM
Absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: honest hurler on May 14, 2017, 07:31:31 PM
Well keyser soze I have got you going and unfortunately you don't like to hear some truths . Well I don't know where you are going with your dirty remarks if the shoe fits you should wear it it's at your back door in relation to training of such players I don't have an agenda  in relation to thoes players mearly just saying some truths
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 14, 2017, 11:47:40 PM
Quote from: honest hurler on May 14, 2017, 07:31:31 PM
Well keyser soze I have got you going and unfortunately you don't like to hear some truths . Well I don't know where you are going with your dirty remarks if the shoe fits you should wear it it's at your back door in relation to training of such players I don't have an agenda  in relation to thoes players mearly just saying some truths
Quote from: honest hurler on May 13, 2017, 05:17:01 PM
o my god this puts laois back 10 years and the fact that this bunch of lads are honest and hard working is all the worst we must now look at where this went wrong is it at management door or why are we just happy to  beat the likes meath and think that we have our job done

You're embarrassing yourself.

You clearly have an agenda. A pathetic one most probably.

The coaching of this minor team was as good as we have had. We had a good backroom team with professionals stats and analysis, an excellent team secretary and two selectors who drove things on selflessly this last few weeks. I believe the S&C was decent if not amazing.
Ask the players, they'll tell you, particularly the players who were involved last year.

Pity about the actual manager but I was impressed with his CV on appointment so it would be hypocritical of me to criticise the county board for his selection.

We are benefiting massively from the regrading of age-groups. Our current U15s will be interesting and we have a fine bunch of 14 just behind. I don't necessarily predict they will win All-Irelands but they should be very competitive at A level. We need that consistently over a decade or more if we're going to see any tangible improvements.

I understand the Senata programme has been reset and renewed so we should hopefully see some improvements coming down the line. Apparently the cumann na bunscoil finals are fixed for this Thursday so it'd be great to see a strong standard on show.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 15, 2017, 12:41:53 AM
There is more than one agenda there Merman, depending on the time of the year.
The agenda heightens during the transfer window!

On Christy Walsh, he might have come with a decent CV, but he was very much down the line in terms of approaches. The world and its mother said no to the job apparently!

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 15, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
There was a strong wind on Saturday that favoured Laois in the first half but there was on a couple of points in it at half time so they worked their socks off. It's not hard to see how KK would put you away once they get the chance. Heads then drop and the scores flow much easier for the victors. I wasn't there Saturday but I saw them against Dublin and they worked very hard that day and with a bit more luck may have got the win. Hopefully the likes of Ciaran Comerford, Delaney and Oisin Bennett can continue to improve and we see them in a sebior jersey in the future.
I too read Christy Walsh's cv and thought this is a good appointment so I am surprised to hear the comments about him.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on May 15, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
A hard scoreline to comprehend after a few years of competing really well at this level.

Disappointing to say the least.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 15, 2017, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on May 15, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
A hard scoreline to comprehend after a few years of competing really well at this level.

Disappointing to say the least.

Not sure how it is hard to comprehend after the same team struggled as U14s,U15s and U16s. Wasn't from want of effort and commitment and remember they had a great win over Offaly, beat Meath and ran Dublin very close. Not the end of the world as they will probably provide a few players to future U21s and Seniors. Even the strong teams only manage 3-4 who make it through. The other lads will have benefited from top level coaching and bring that back to their clubs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 15, 2017, 05:07:30 PM
In fairness, it was only in the last quarter that things got really bad. A couple of soft goals, and the heads dropped. KK only piled on the scores, really, in the last 10 minutes, and probably the two last goals were in the last couple of minutes
It was an unfortunate end, sure - but they did all right this year. I don't think there's any need to be overly critical.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: smcder on May 15, 2017, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 15, 2017, 05:07:30 PM
In fairness, it was only in the last quarter that things got really bad. A couple of soft goals, and the heads dropped. KK only piled on the scores, really, in the last 10 minutes, and probably the two last goals were in the last couple of minutes
It was an unfortunate end, sure - but they did all right this year. I don't think there's any need to be overly critical.

yeah lads,  they got something like 4-5 or 5-5 or more in the last 15 minutes, with the wind and the extra player. We weren't good enough, but the scoreline isn't a fair reflection in the team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 15, 2017, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 15, 2017, 05:07:30 PM
In fairness, it was only in the last quarter that things got really bad. A couple of soft goals, and the heads dropped. KK only piled on the scores, really, in the last 10 minutes, and probably the two last goals were in the last couple of minutes
It was an unfortunate end, sure - but they did all right this year. I don't think there's any need to be overly critical.
Have to agree. It was a decent effort all year by the players and management. Even on Saturday, the team tried hard but a couple of the goals were freakish which would knock the heart out of any team. The main thing is to keep the team together over the next few years as there are definitely a couple of senior prospects in the group.

Modern underage GAA be it club or county is a numbers game. There are just way more youngsters hurling in Kilkenny and Dublin and it's nigh impossible for any small county to compete with demographics stacked against them.
     
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 15, 2017, 07:57:04 PM
Just looking at the minor team that lost to KK in leinster final in 2014 a large amount of that group are currently  involved with the seniors.


Laois: Enda Rowland; Gavin Dunne, Ryan Mullaney, Evan Cuddy; Dwane Palmer, Ciaran McEvoy, Ronan Delahunty; Liam O'Connell, Colm Stapleton; John Lennon, Leigh Bergin, Aidan Corby; Darragh Cripps, Joe Campion (c), Stephen Bergin.

Substitutions: Ciaran Collier for Cripps (39), Mark Kavanagh for L Bergin (39), Kevin Bergin for S Bergin (49), Ronan Broderick for Lennon (51), Jack Delaney for Stapleton (58).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 16, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 15, 2017, 07:57:04 PM
Just looking at the minor team that lost to KK in leinster final in 2014 a large amount of that group are currently  involved with the seniors.


Laois: Enda Rowland; Gavin Dunne, Ryan Mullaney, Evan Cuddy; Dwane Palmer, Ciaran McEvoy, Ronan Delahunty; Liam O'Connell, Colm Stapleton; John Lennon, Leigh Bergin, Aidan Corby; Darragh Cripps, Joe Campion (c), Stephen Bergin.

Substitutions: Ciaran Collier for Cripps (39), Mark Kavanagh for L Bergin (39), Kevin Bergin for S Bergin (49), Ronan Broderick for Lennon (51), Jack Delaney for Stapleton (58).

If we could produce hurlers of that standard every year, things will continue to improve.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 16, 2017, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on May 16, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 15, 2017, 07:57:04 PM
Just looking at the minor team that lost to KK in leinster final in 2014 a large amount of that group are currently  involved with the seniors.


Laois: Enda Rowland; Gavin Dunne, Ryan Mullaney, Evan Cuddy; Dwane Palmer, Ciaran McEvoy, Ronan Delahunty; Liam O'Connell, Colm Stapleton; John Lennon, Leigh Bergin, Aidan Corby; Darragh Cripps, Joe Campion (c), Stephen Bergin.

Substitutions: Ciaran Collier for Cripps (39), Mark Kavanagh for L Bergin (39), Kevin Bergin for S Bergin (49), Ronan Broderick for Lennon (51), Jack Delaney for Stapleton (58).


If we could produce hurlers of that standard every year, things will continue to improve.
Goes to show, winning minors means f**k all at the end of the day. But then we know that better than most.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 16, 2017, 04:13:03 PM
What did they win?!

More seriously, though - I'd always thought Evan Cuddy was pretty good on that team. Why has he not stepped up/ what happened to him?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 16, 2017, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 16, 2017, 04:13:03 PM
What did they win?!

More seriously, though - I'd always thought Evan Cuddy was pretty good on that team. Why has he not stepped up/ what happened to him?
Nothing. Thats the point. You don't need to be winning at underage, you can pick up many a hurler off a losing team.

However, we saw plenty of minor winning teams go on to do f**k all in this county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 16, 2017, 05:13:28 PM
The big disappointments from that minor team of course are Colm Stapleton and Joe Campion. They should be backboning our senior team now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 02:18:37 PM
Rosenallis responds.....


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/17/gaa-suspension-anomalies-raised-rosenallis-speak-following-recent-u-16-controversy/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 16, 2017, 05:13:28 PM
The big disappointments from that minor team of course are Colm Stapleton and Joe Campion. They should be backboning our senior team now.
Incredibly disappointing. Campions more so.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 05:12:06 PM
Laois u17's v Tipp u17  North Division tonight 7:30 in the centre of excellence

Celtic Challenge

Tipp North 2 from 2

Laois 2 losses from 2

http://www.gaa.ie/celticchallenge/tables
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 08:44:25 PM
Tipp North division 4-14 Laois 1-02 with 10 mins left

Tipp have brought in 8 subs

Appalling

As one Tipp wag said "any of our u17 club teams would beat Laois"

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
Ft 5-21 to 1-03
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:19:47 PM
What do you expect? Our resources are stretched at this level, the Celtic Challenge is a pile of c**k.

Tipp wags can go f**k themselves too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
Yeah Don,the bulldog spirit should see us through.

The contrast in warmups alone would tell you,how far behind we are even against a divisional outfit
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
A quarter of the counties population reside in Portlaoise, and they cant field a second team. Theres your f**king problem.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on May 17, 2017, 09:36:25 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 17, 2017, 09:36:25 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Its the Celtic Challenge, it benefits counties with bigger picks. We dont have the pick. Why dont we have the pick? Because half the county dont give a f**k about hurling. Why dont we have the pick? Because 1/4 of the population live in a town who outside a small core, dont give a f**k about hurling. f**k the Celtic Challenge.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on May 17, 2017, 10:24:03 PM
Seven lads named to start never turned up tonight. Two turned up for training on Saturday. The lads who did play worked hard but were up against it from the start. Andrew Kavanagh is doing his best to get this going but lads just don't care.
In fairness, the Tipp lads have a realistic prospect of All Ireland medals to aim for in the future but what have our lads got to inspire them?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 11:28:15 PM
This wasn't the Tipperary u17 team

This was the North Division u17 team,not the mid,south or west combined  division team.

I actually felt sorry for Andrew there tonight on his own,That Tipp team had a 4 man management team and a full coaching set up while he appeared to be there on his own.




Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 17, 2017, 09:36:25 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Its the Celtic Challenge, it benefits counties with bigger picks. We dont have the pick. Why dont we have the pick? Because half the county dont give a f**k about hurling. Why dont we have the pick? Because 1/4 of the population live in a town who outside a small core, dont give a f**k about hurling. f**k the Celtic Challenge.

Yep Don

Here's a result from Round 1,Laois against a County with a huge population and not divided in 2 by hurling and football

Round 1 - Birr
Offaly 2-20 Laois 0-08
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 11:41:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 17, 2017, 09:36:25 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Its the Celtic Challenge, it benefits counties with bigger picks. We dont have the pick. Why dont we have the pick? Because half the county dont give a f**k about hurling. Why dont we have the pick? Because 1/4 of the population live in a town who outside a small core, dont give a f**k about hurling. f**k the Celtic Challenge.

Yep Don

Here's a result from Round 1,Laois against a County with a huge population and not divided in 2 by hurling and football

Round 1 - Birr
Offaly 2-20 Laois 0-08
Offaly hasnt a huge population. Do try to keep up.

The Portlaoise question needs to be fixed, its a disgrace.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 11:41:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 17, 2017, 09:36:25 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Its the Celtic Challenge, it benefits counties with bigger picks. We dont have the pick. Why dont we have the pick? Because half the county dont give a f**k about hurling. Why dont we have the pick? Because 1/4 of the population live in a town who outside a small core, dont give a f**k about hurling. f**k the Celtic Challenge.

Yep Don

Here's a result from Round 1,Laois against a County with a huge population and not divided in 2 by hurling and football

Round 1 - Birr
Offaly 2-20 Laois 0-08
Offaly hasnt a huge population. Do try to keep up.

The Portlaoise question needs to be fixed, its a disgrace.

Whoosh.............


That's the sound of it going right over your head Don

Offaly don't have a big pick either and still bet us by 18 points
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on May 18, 2017, 06:27:38 AM
Don you're dead right about the Portlaoise problem. About the same population as Kilrenny which has 3 massive hurling clubs as opposed to 1in Portlaoise which often seems to have little interest in hurling. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: HURLING1 on May 18, 2017, 06:27:38 AM
Don you're dead right about the Portlaoise problem. About the same population as Kilrenny which has 3 massive hurling clubs as opposed to 1in Portlaoise which often seems to have little interest in hurling.
Its a thundering disgrace. They seem incapable of growing hurling in the town, how hard could it be? The interest to do it obviously isnt there. It should be taken out of their hands. What hope have we with 1/4 of our population in one area, to be serviced by one club. And as we've seen on here, that club is content to go out of their way to poach other clubs players as has happened in the last 12 months. What hope have we as a county?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 18, 2017, 09:07:39 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
A quarter of the counties population reside in Portlaoise, and they cant field a second team. Theres your f**king problem.


Not that I want to be seen defending Portlaoise, but they do have a second team.
Also, Portlaoise was never much of a hurling town until that good group came in the early '80s. Of course, there's no reason that shouldn't have been built on, but there's obviously not a strong enough cohort within the club to push the cause of hurling to the fore.
Portlaoise do seem very bad at holding onto lads, however, or developing good underage structures.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:10:05 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 18, 2017, 09:07:39 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
A quarter of the counties population reside in Portlaoise, and they cant field a second team. Theres your f**king problem.


Not that I want to be seen defending Portlaoise, but they do have a second team.
Also, Portlaoise was never much of a hurling town until that good group came in the early '80s. Of course, there's no reason that shouldn't have been built on, but there's obviously not a strong enough cohort within the club to push the cause of hurling to the fore.
Portlaoise do seem very bad at holding onto lads, however, or developing good underage structures.
Have a look at what I said, I didn't say they hadn't one, I said THEY CANT FIELD A SECOND TEAM.

Look at last nights fixtures
17/05/2017
ACHL Div 3
19:30   Rathdowney Errill   -   vs   -   Portlaoise GAA   Conceded by Portlaoise GAA

The last part of your post is the problem. There is NO EXCUSE for Portlaoise not having a strong hurling club, ONE QUARTER of the counties population! Its a simple numbers game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 18, 2017, 09:12:12 AM
Yeah, well, their Division 5 team fields, so it is de facto their second team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 18, 2017, 09:12:12 AM
Yeah, well, their Division 5 team fields, so it is de facto their second team.
With the best will in the world, thats still unacceptable from the club, and the county. Its in fact, embarrassing.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 18, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Two of the best county hurling men are in Portlaoise. If Critchley and Cheddar cannot get the participation rate up then nobody will. Are the street leagues still going on in the town? Also, would Clonad not take players from the town?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 18, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Two of the best county hurling men are in Portlaoise. If Critchley and Cheddar cannot get the participation rate up then nobody will. Are the street leagues still going on in the town? Also, would Clonad not take players from the town?
They can do f**k all unless the will of the club is behind them. Besides, they've been preoccupied with Laois for some number of years now. Its already been mentioned here that Portlaoise have taken players from Clonad in recent years, not the other way round.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 10:14:15 AM
Portlaoise are taking players from Clonad and Park,not the other way round.

Portlaoise is one issue.

The other issue has is the apathy at best and downright hostility at worst towards hurling by the football clubs in this county.

While it's great to see Slieve Margey in place the reality is that the few good people in that club are fighting a losing battle but hey,at least the football clubs involved can pat themselves on the back and say shur aren't we offering hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on May 18, 2017, 10:27:34 AM
Is the Portlaoise team thats in Div 5 bascially there intermediate team?Thats not fair if so ...heard likes of Brian Mulligan is togging for them they put up some score against Trumera this week.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 10:27:42 AM
The Slieve Margy experiment would seem to have failed already sadly.

We have little hurling resources in this county. Time to follow the GAA template in Dublin and pour the majority of them into Portlaoise. Keep the rest going, but for now, we need to solve the Portlaois problem, because it seems obvious Portlaoise cant seem to solve it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on May 18, 2017, 10:34:42 AM
I'm from the town but involved with a club outside at this stage and I agree completely with the Don

Resources will have to be poured into Portlaoise Dubs style.

Seems to be a serious doughnut effect where all people potentially playing GAA/Hurling are now moving out to surrounding clubs

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 18, 2017, 10:49:59 AM
Quote from: Unlaoised on May 18, 2017, 10:27:34 AM
Is the Portlaoise team thats in Div 5 bascially there intermediate team?Thats not fair if so ...heard likes of Brian Mulligan is togging for them they put up some score against Trumera this week.
Portlaoise's Div 5 team looks very strong in fact it could give it's named 17 for intermediate a game. the 2nd team game a walkover  last night which is a bit of a joke considering they fielded Div 5 on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 11:16:58 AM
Quote from: Laoisguy on May 18, 2017, 10:34:42 AM
I'm from the town but involved with a club outside at this stage and I agree completely with the Don

Resources will have to be poured into Portlaoise Dubs style.

Seems to be a serious doughnut effect where all people potentially playing GAA/Hurling are now moving out to surrounding clubs

Does the multimillion Euro bailout from Croke Park on Rathleague not qualify?,

still I guess dragging Neighbouring clubs to the DRA over juvenile players  at €3,000 a pop does drain the resources all right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 11:28:37 AM
Perhaps, and its a well worn conversation at this point, but perhaps, given the lack of improvement in underage hurling, and the revelation that 1/4 of the counties population now resides in the town, that its time to force a split onto Portlaoise and let the cards fall where they may. Either back another club in the town (they could work out of Fr Browne Avenue for the start up), or simply draw lines through the town, and let the other parish clubs take possession of those areas. It'd be for their own good. They may not realise it, but in time they will be grateful for it being forced upon them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
If there's to be a second club in the Town,Who funds it?

Hardly the CB,more than likely the Leinster Council or Croke Park and it will need to be properly funded because Portlaoise will do everything in their power to strangle it at birth as what happened the last time there was an attempt to put a 2nd club into the town.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 11:57:08 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
If there's to be a second club in the Town,Who funds it?

Hardly the CB,more than likely the Leinster Council or Croke Park and it will need to be properly funded because Portlaoise will do everything in their power to strangle it at birth as what happened the last time there was an attempt to put a 2nd club into the town.
The last attempt was a shambles from the start. This time the COE can be used for the grounds so there is a footing. There are templates for this being done. If Castleknock can set up in the middle of Brigids and OPER, a club can be put into Fr Browne Avenue. The last club was solely a football club, Portlaoise cared enough about football to finish it before it began.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on May 18, 2017, 12:02:09 PM
When you have no real competition from another club to compete for players, standards drop and complacency sets in. A town the size of Portlaoise should realistically have three strong functioning clubs operating out of it. However I fear little will be done to rectify this situation in the foreseeable future. The appetite, resources or manpower to achieve change simply isn't there. With the pick available to them-Portlaoise should hoover up nearly every available juvenile title in both codes if things were being run properly. This is nowhere near happening. A second club is needed but there is huge apathy towards GAA in the town. You'd need a number of very committed individuals and plenty of resources to get it functioning properly. You also need access to and build up relationships with the primary schools. That is the key to something like that taking off-develop a strong nursery and over time things will snowball. Look at Castleknock in Dublin. Only 20 years old and now one of the strongest teams in the country. They invested hugely at underage level (still do) in the beginning and created a buzz/enjoyment for playing hurling and football. The club is now thriving and there is a real sense of community attached to club as well. It does show it's possible.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on May 18, 2017, 12:44:35 PM
I'm purely commenting from a gaa community point of view
Portlaoise can go to hell as far as i'm concerned

Facts are county board just not upto scratch regards initiatives to change status quo

Primary schools are an issue








 
Quote from: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 11:16:58 AM
Quote from: Laoisguy on May 18, 2017, 10:34:42 AM
I'm from the town but involved with a club outside at this stage and I agree completely with the Don

Resources will have to be poured into Portlaoise Dubs style.

Seems to be a serious doughnut effect where all people potentially playing GAA/Hurling are now moving out to surrounding clubs

Does the multimillion Euro bailout from Croke Park on Rathleague not qualify?,

still I guess dragging Neighbouring clubs to the DRA over juvenile players  at €3,000 a pop does drain the resources all right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 12:57:47 PM
Would a Hurling only Club in Portlaoise be an option?,and the path of least resistance..
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 18, 2017, 12:59:31 PM
In my opinion you will need to get someone with a vision as to how this will work best for everyone and put in place a long term plan. Would probably need a patron or donor because the money won't be coming from the CB or Croke Park. Once they get the go ahead from CB you would need a couple of ex players who would also have a long term vision to actively get the club up and running and in my opinion it should be started as a hurling club only!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on May 18, 2017, 01:51:17 PM
Knowing how hard it is to keep an established club going, it is likely that all the passionate hurling people in Portlaoise are working hard to keep the Portlaoise club going, or have got burned out and have walked away. To expect Portlaoise to split itself in two or three would be unrealistic. Who from any club is going to leave that club, to establish another club in order to compete with your own club? The only way it would work would be to get people not involved with Portlaoise to try set up a club independently. That would be a huge undertaking and good luck to anyone who takes it on. I personally can't imagine leaving my own club to start a rival club. Until you have an Arles type split to force the issue it is likely to remain so.
Possibly if the County Board were to canvass the Portlaoise area to see if there was an appetite for this, it could start, but you would be looking at putting together a management team to get it up and running before handing over to a new club committee. How you get people to leave their own clubs to do this would be the problem.

With regard to the specifics of the current u17's, if you look at last year's u16 championship, only Castletown Slieve Bloom and Rathdowney Errill were really competitive. Clough Ballacolla were joined with Abbeyleix and Borris Kilcotton, Clonad, Ballinakill and Park Ratheniska were in the B. I'm not running down these clubs, but the numbers were just not there in the clubs. People must have been holding off having babies in 2000! I don't think any Castletown Slieve Bloom players were present last night for whatever, and one of our own best hurlers didn't go because he couldn't be arsed.

In contrast, last year's and this year's u14s have been very competitive, and there is a very strong bunch in the u14 development squad this year. Whether these will progress in the next few years remains to be seen, but at least it's looking promising.

We could do with some more GDAs as both Andrew and Ciaran are putting in serious hours including evenings and weekends and I can't fault their efforts.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 02:07:35 PM
In essence, you have come back to my original reaction mad mentor, that this celtic challenge isn't worth a whole hill of beans.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Sanny on May 18, 2017, 06:34:51 PM
Is Clonad not a second club in the town ?
Maybe clubs should look at their own set-up and stop looking for ways to break-up Portlaoise?
Typical Reaction!! Channel your bitterness into something more constructive in your own club ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on May 18, 2017, 08:44:32 PM
Clonad is a raheen club that lads from the heath go to play hurling with,  if you were going to set up a club in portlaoise do it at under 8 under 10 level and work your way up with the groups use the COE as their grounds there are plenty of families in the town with no connections to portlaoise gaa and those  parents would probably be more willing to bring kids to a club in the town too, but you would be talking about a 10 to 15 year project
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on May 18, 2017, 08:54:51 PM
Can you honestly say Sanny that Laois is maximising it's potential from having one club in Portlaoise? One third of population live in the town and on that basis Portlaoise G.A.A. should be realistically able to field minimum of 4 adults teams and at least 3/4 underage teams at each underage level if structures were right and tapping into the schools correctly. This is presently not happening. With a third of pick, Portlaoise should realistically be provide close to 7/8 players to every underage Laois squad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Sanny on May 18, 2017, 06:34:51 PM
Is Clonad not a second club in the town ?
Maybe clubs should look at their own set-up and stop looking for ways to break-up Portlaoise?
Typical Reaction!! Channel your bitterness into something more constructive in your own club ?

Eh the clue might be in the name of our Juvenile set up

Raheen.
Parish.
Gaels.


There are 1200 odd,boys between first class and sixth class in the town primary schools.

How many are juvenile members of Portlaoise GAA club?.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on May 18, 2017, 10:33:28 PM
1199, 1 got away
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Sanny on May 18, 2017, 11:29:19 PM
Do Portlaoise have the resources to tap into the potential in the primary schools ? I doubt it ? This is a county board issue . Whether they play with Portlaoise, Clonad, The Heath etc is irrelevant. Because these numbers are not being reflected in Portlaoise GAA Juvenile teams is hardly totally their fault . There is a far bigger issue here being ignored by people who just want any opportunity to have a go ?
If 1/3 of the underage playing population are in Portlaoise schools , why is there not a GDA there semi permanently developing kids for whatever club they wish to play for ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 19, 2017, 12:17:42 AM
Huge credit to Cullohill NS who have qualified for the final of Division 1 in the cumann an bunscoil hurling. Defending champions; great consistency for a relatively small school.

Interesting to see that Emo will play in the Division 2 Final. Great work up there.

I understand both Killanure and Camross both have teams in finals. Great work going on up in Camross.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 19, 2017, 08:45:49 AM
Quote from: Sanny on May 18, 2017, 11:29:19 PM
Do Portlaoise have the resources to tap into the potential in the primary schools ? I doubt it ? This is a county board issue . Whether they play with Portlaoise, Clonad, The Heath etc is irrelevant. Because these numbers are not being reflected in Portlaoise GAA Juvenile teams is hardly totally their fault . There is a far bigger issue here being ignored by people who just want any opportunity to have a go ?
If 1/3 of the underage playing population are in Portlaoise schools , why is there not a GDA there semi permanently developing kids for whatever club they wish to play for ?
County board issue? f**k sake, do every club want the county board to take them by the hand and do everything for them?

You know what, maybe you're right, maybe it is a county board issue, maybe in fact, its a leinster council issue, and a croke park issue. Maybe its as simple as what we've been saying all along, Portlaoise are incapable of handling Portlaoise town, and it needs to be taken out of their hands. You might just be right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 22, 2017, 06:18:47 PM
Saw this on the Laois GAA twitter. Encouraging.

Well done to our U14 hurlers who had a good win over Limerick today and to our U15hurlers who had two great games with Waterford. #goodwork
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on May 22, 2017, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 22, 2017, 06:18:47 PM
Saw this on the Laois GAA twitter. Encouraging.

Well done to our U14 hurlers who had a good win over Limerick today and to our U15hurlers who had two great games with Waterford. #goodwork

Very encouraging is right. Who's involved with all them squads?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Town3FB on May 28, 2017, 02:50:38 AM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/251908/top-class-action-at-cumann-na-mbunscol-hurling-finals-but-day-1-ends-in-drama.html

Great promotin off hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 28, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on May 28, 2017, 07:33:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 28, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 28, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 28, 2017, 07:33:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 28, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands
Yea, f**k it shur, we really should be beating the likes of Tipp by a cricket score in both. Disband the panel this instant!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 28, 2017, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 28, 2017, 07:33:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 28, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands

Idiotic post.

Anyone have any insight into the games?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 28, 2017, 09:33:48 PM
Played in Colt

Tipp brought full u15 panel,the better side in the first game mainly down to their size and power.

They didn't like getting bet in the second game!!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 29, 2017, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 28, 2017, 07:33:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 28, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands

Beating Tipp is never to be sneezed at. Our seniors are a long way off that mark so it's good to see the underage players competing with the top counties.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 29, 2017, 10:53:15 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 29, 2017, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 28, 2017, 07:33:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 28, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands

Beating Tipp is never to be sneezed at. Our seniors are a long way off that mark so it's good to see the underage players competing with the top counties.

Agreed

Played Limerick recently at u15 as well,won 1 lost 1 by a small margin.

That's the company we need to be competitive with at all underage levels.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on May 30, 2017, 10:04:19 AM
Laois Cumann na mBunscol are due to meet this week to discuss the controversial events in one of the hurling finals in O'Moore Park last Thursday.

The Division 8 hurling final, the last game of the day on Thursday, was between Castletown's second team, primarily made up of the school's younger students, and Knockmay's first team. However it was alleged that Castletown played a number of their 'first' team in the game.

Furthermore, the match programme only listed first names for all of the Castletown players.

When the Castletown management were approached by members of the media looking for a complete team list before the game, it was claimed they were too busy getting the team prepared for the game to give out the names. It was then later claimed that there was 'legal reasons' they couldn't give full names as some of their players were going through 'deed poll'.

Knockmay actually led the game by 3-2 to 2-4 at half time with Cian Cleary, Jake Lawless and Davin Dunne all on the scoresheet.

But Castletown got on top in the second half and won by nine points in the end.

The result of the game stood, and even though Knockmay had been made aware of what Castletown had done, the cup presentation was carried out.

Afterwards, members of the media approached Castletown principal Monica Kennedy-Phelan, who is also Chairperson of Laois Cumann na mBunscol, and she confirmed that the school played some of their 'first' team in the game.

Ms Kennedy-Phelan stated the school took the decision on 'health and safety grounds', as their 'second' team was too small, and they were worried they could not physically compete with Knockmay.

She also confirmed that some of the students were going through deed poll and that is why the school declined to provide full names.

When the sides met in the group stages of the competition Knockmay came out on top.

Members of Laois Cumann na mBunscol have since confirmed that no rule prohibiting schools from using 'A' players on their 'B' teams currently exist, but that what Castletown admitted to doing was against the 'morals and spirit of the game'.

This is very poor from Castletown, the chairpersons position is untenable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on May 30, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Going solely on the two Laois today articles:

Its poor form from Castletown NS

For a chairperson of cnmb to endorse playing first team players on a b team is incredible imo. The health and safety excuse doesn't wash either. Team should not have entered in competition if not physically  developed enough to compete with other teams.

It's unfortunate that Knockmay is school on wrong end of this. It's likely a lot of their players don't come from a strong gaa background, something like this can easily finish them with hurling. There's no point in talking about developing hurling in Portlaoise then letting stuff like this happen
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Thats cuntish in the extreme and very tough on players from both schools, the younger fellas who made it to a county final for Castletown never got to play in it. Thats almost as bad, if not worse than what was done to Knockmay.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on May 30, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Thats cuntish in the extreme and very tough on players from both schools, the younger fellas who made it to a county final for Castletown never got to play in it. Thats almost as bad, if not worse than what was done to Knockmay.
It's possible that they were acting the maggot all year and didn't have a "B team" at all. You'd imagine these theoretical younger kids who supposedly got them to the final were coming up against older kids all spring? I'd say it's not one to brag about.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 02:51:21 PM
Quote from: SCFC on May 30, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Thats cuntish in the extreme and very tough on players from both schools, the younger fellas who made it to a county final for Castletown never got to play in it. Thats almost as bad, if not worse than what was done to Knockmay.
It's possible that they were acting the maggot all year and didn't have a "B team" at all. You'd imagine these theoretical younger kids who supposedly got them to the final were coming up against older kids all spring? I'd say it's not one to brag about.
Wouldn't be hard find out. Team lists would be handed in for all games, and even Knockmay who played them earlier in the year would know who turned out against them.

Its bizarre behaviour though and shames all involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on May 30, 2017, 03:39:40 PM
Be tough work out if team lists are first names only  ::)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Uisce on May 30, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
Extremely bad form from whatever decision makers in Castletown did this. Considering how important playing team sports is in a child's formative years it really gives the wrong impression to both sets of students. Most likely nothing will come of this but it is a pity that this situation has arisen because of an adults selfishness.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Target Man on May 30, 2017, 03:39:40 PM
Be tough work out if team lists are first names only  ::)
Curiouser and curiouser. A CNMB medal is not to be sniffed at though.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 30, 2017, 04:10:42 PM
Isn't "deed poll" the procedure by which a person can change his/her name?

Is this a common thing in Casteltown? Are they joking or do they mean something else?

Maybe Willie Dunphy could change his name before the next round of the championship and avoid the ban??!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 30, 2017, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Thats cuntish in the extreme and very tough on players from both schools, the younger fellas who made it to a county final for Castletown never got to play in it. Thats almost as bad, if not worse than what was done to Knockmay.

Agreed Ms Double Barrelled Principle sounds like a right person

"We won it and ye can do f**k all about it" was her initial reaction at the bottom of the podium to the opposition management on the day.

There is a CnaB EGM  called for tomorrow.

Where the Chairwoman may find herself in an untenable position
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on May 30, 2017, 07:17:53 PM
This absolutely stinks. What sort of morals are being taught by teachers who are prepared to stoop this low? If they had any conscience they would hand back the cup. Hiding behind "Health and Safety" is just shameful.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on May 30, 2017, 07:42:28 PM
I cannot believe the attitude of the principal in all this. They have truly embarrassed themselves, the school and the local community. I am fully supportive of schools fielding second teams as I think every child should have an opportunity to play/participate in school sports. For some children it is the only chance they will ever get to play on a team and will provide them with some happy memories going forward. However, if the school needed some 'first team' players to make up the numbers to make this second team doable then let the opposition school know what you are doing and concede the games beforehand to the other school. I know of schools who have done this in the CnamB-the children don't need to know the agreement that is in place. I really feel sorry for the other school in all this-even if the result is overturned they have missed out on potentially winning a final in O'Moore Park. I wouldn't be surprised if 'first team' children were played in the group games as well, depriving another school of a chance to play in the final. The whole situation is a mess by the sounds of things. 
   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 30, 2017, 07:51:18 PM
Looks very bad! Presume they had to submit a team list with full names on the day (not talking about the programme)
Presume they also had to name an A panel at the start of the year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 30, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
Maybe they now might close the loophole and introduce a simple system whereby A and B squads are declared at the start and can't move.

This also needs to be done at u12 level in the county where you have certain clubs shuttling players up and down the division's the closer they get to a semifinal or final.

Every other serious gaa county has a squad system in place,them again this is Laois.......
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 30, 2017, 11:59:00 PM
This story is incredible.

I genuinely feel for all the kids here. Those 'A' players from Castletown were obviously instructed and coached to lie to the referees and officials. If my daughter's school asked her to do the same I'd have them enrolled somewhere else within days. Absolutely disgraceful.

Is it true that there is an EGM tomorrow? If so, I presume all schools can send representation? I know a couple of teachers who coach school teams but I'm not sure if they're part of the committee; I'm really hoping they will attend.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 31, 2017, 12:09:22 AM
Also, perhaps as an aside.

I queried before why cumann na mbunscol weren't brought in under the GAA umbrella and a now retired teacher told me that there is a strong belief among teachers that they are the best people to arrange, organise and promote Gaelic games within our schools. I must say, the veracity of and insistence in his argument convinced me entirely and I would still say his general point probably holds true. I'm reasonably sure, as Rory Delaney alludes to, that this is very much a rare exception.
However, we see in this instance a naievity among the general cumann na mbunscol organisation (in Laois at least) where they seemed to assume that their 'ethos' and 'values' were strong enough that something like this would not happen. It seems their rule book is too open and needs to be addressed. Things like this shouldn't happen but when you leave the door ajar, you're always running the risk of someone smashing through.

Incidentally, is the lady in question the driving force behind these new Development Panels? The Tipperary lady?
I haven't heard much about them to be honest, positive or otherwise, but I would hope they're not structured and set up to in any way promote elitism and winning over skill development and general enjoyment and engagement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on May 31, 2017, 11:26:18 AM
Shame on the principal and adults involved with this school team.
How low do they have to stoop to get a win?  What about the lads on the B team who were pushed aside for the quest for glory?

Laois hurling struggles at the best of time and this carry on doesnt help the cause
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on May 31, 2017, 02:20:51 PM
Just on a side note regarding the Cumann na mBunscoil county panels. At U10 and U12 club GAA has moved towards raising participation and away from the winning a all costs attitude. This attitude is similar to that of CnaB.

However now we have an intercounty panel for CnaB players. Surely this is a step towards making all these games hugely competitive.

Are we casting the net too narrow at a very young age? I believe only 20-25 players are involved.
Is there not the possibility that 100-150 children could avail of  this organised coaching and up the standards throughout the county?

Not saying its a bad idea but it will not solve all our problems at underage.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on May 31, 2017, 08:20:31 PM
This is an absolute disgrace. How can the principal of Castletown school stoop so low
bringing both the school and local club into such deceitful behavior, shame on all involved. The parents and local club should do the right thing and demand that this is rectified.  Why should the people of Castletown have their good name and reputation dragged trough the mud by the low sneaky carry on of the School principal and chairperson of CNBS.
SHAME ON ALL INVOLVED.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 31, 2017, 09:53:03 PM
Vacancy for the chairperson of laois cnab as of today

Story now has national prominence with one of the journalists who broke the story being interviewed tomorrow evening
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 31, 2017, 11:29:06 PM
I'd agree with some players being brought up to buffer the smaller lads, but they should not have been allowed to win. The school could have conceded the game beforehand, or simply made substitutions when necessary.

It's not only in CnB that this happens though.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/01/laois-cumann-na-mbunscol-chief-steps-following-controversy

Hopefully now someone will have the cop on to put in a motion to close the loophole which allows A squad members to shuttle up and down the divisions the closer you get to a semifinal and a final.

The penalty should be immediate expulsion for the school from all CnaB activities for the year.

The same needs to be done at u12 level with the county board also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: steven seagal on June 01, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
QuoteThe penalty should be immediate expulsion for the school from all CnaB activities for the year.

The same needs to be done at u12 level with the county board also.

So, because of a few stupid decisions by a handful of adults, we should ban an entire school and club from providing hurling to 10-12 year old children? Would you get a grip of yourself, that's a stupid thing to say.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: steven seagal on June 01, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
QuoteThe penalty should be immediate expulsion for the school from all CnaB activities for the year.

The same needs to be done at u12 level with the county board also.

So, because of a few stupid decisions by a handful of adults, we should ban an entire school and club from providing hurling to 10-12 year old children? Would you get a grip of yourself, that's a stupid thing to say.

If the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: steven seagal on June 01, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
QuoteThe penalty should be immediate expulsion for the school from all CnaB activities for the year.

The same needs to be done at u12 level with the county board also.

So, because of a few stupid decisions by a handful of adults, we should ban an entire school and club from providing hurling to 10-12 year old children? Would you get a grip of yourself, that's a stupid thing to say.

If the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?
Punishing innocent children is not the answer.

Public floggings is the answer.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: steven seagal on June 01, 2017, 11:12:59 AM
QuoteIf the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?

What on earth are you talking about, this is the first time I have commented on this? Relax yourself and cut out that bullsh*te for a start.

In no circumstance, where a child has done nothing wrong, should a child suffer on the back of the stupidity of an adult. The Chairperson is gone, and rightly so. To extend that, perhaps a moratorium on anyone from the school holding a position on the county Cumann na mBunscol committee for the next 3 to 5 years, and the school should hand over the trophy, and let Knockmay have their own presentation. I don't see what more can or should be done.

Banning Cumann na mBunscol or U-12 club teams is utterly ridiculous and only serves your own interpretation of justice. It's not justice for the children in Castletown, they still deserve to play hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on June 01, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
Expel them all
Quote from: steven seagal on June 01, 2017, 11:12:59 AM
QuoteIf the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?

What on earth are you talking about, this is the first time I have commented on this? Relax yourself and cut out that bullsh*te for a start.

In no circumstance, where a child has done nothing wrong, should a child suffer on the back of the stupidity of an adult. The Chairperson is gone, and rightly so. To extend that, perhaps a moratorium on anyone from the school holding a position on the county Cumann na mBunscol committee for the next 3 to 5 years, and the school should hand over the trophy, and let Knockmay have their own presentation. I don't see what more can or should be done.

Banning Cumann na mBunscol or U-12 club teams is utterly ridiculous and only serves your own interpretation of justice. It's not justice for the children in Castletown, they still deserve to play hurling.


Well done Seagal,

Cant believe someone would put forward banning kids from playing
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: steven seagal on June 01, 2017, 11:12:59 AM
QuoteIf the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?

What on earth are you talking about, this is the first time I have commented on this? Relax yourself and cut out that bullsh*te for a start.

In no circumstance, where a child has done nothing wrong, should a child suffer on the back of the stupidity of an adult. The Chairperson is gone, and rightly so. To extend that, perhaps a moratorium on anyone from the school holding a position on the county Cumann na mBunscol committee for the next 3 to 5 years, and the school should hand over the trophy, and let Knockmay have their own presentation. I don't see what more can or should be done.

Banning Cumann na mBunscol or U-12 club teams is utterly ridiculous and only serves your own interpretation of justice. It's not justice for the children in Castletown, they still deserve to play hurling.

yeah banning all teachers from an offending school from the CnaB committee  will wound them grievously all right and it wont stop them from doing it.

The actions of the Castletown mentors were a disgrace on so many different levels,they broke every principle of good coaching,underage Laois hurling has been dragged through the mud again barely a month after the incident with Clonaslee and we are a national laughing stock yet again.

bottom line,every other serious GAA county divides and submits its lists of players if they have more 1 team,get caught and you ll face very severe sanctions

As for your idea,that Castletown should hand over the Cup,you obviously missed the point

They haven't broken any rules because there was no rule and/or sanction with regard to this in the first place.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 11:36:13 AM

They haven't broken any rules because there was no rule and/or sanction with regard to this in the first place.

They should still hand over the cup. The offered resignation of the Chairperson is evidence that they realise wrongdoing has occurred.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 11:36:13 AM

They haven't broken any rules because there was no rule and/or sanction with regard to this in the first place.

They should still hand over the cup. The offered resignation of the Chairperson is evidence that they realise wrongdoing has occurred.

It doesnt say it anywhere in the rules, thats the reality.

So if they want to keep it for the year,they will and given the principals attitude at the EGM,id be very surprised if they take the sporting approach and hand it back

The ideal scenario would be that Knockmay and the proper Castletown B side are allowed play for the trophy again and CnaB mgmt spend a few bob and make a big deal of both sides.

Bottom line,Juvenile Hurling is not fit for purpose in Laois at the minute

1.No refs to ref u12 games,player gets injured,when insurance looks for refs report,hows that going to work out
2.A shambolic CnaB rulebook which left the competition wide open to sharp practice and which now has national prominence
3.Similar situation in the u12 competition with players being shuttled up and down the divisions and no rule in place to prevent it
4.National prominence given to bad behaviour






Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 11:52:50 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 11:36:13 AM

They haven't broken any rules because there was no rule and/or sanction with regard to this in the first place.

They should still hand over the cup. The offered resignation of the Chairperson is evidence that they realise wrongdoing has occurred.

It doesnt say it anywhere in the rules, thats the reality.

We're beyond that. The rules don't say that the Chairperson should step down. Yet she should. And she did.

They should return the cup. Quote all the rules you like.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 01, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Reply the game prior to the next senior match in O'Moore Park.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 12:26:48 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on June 01, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Reply the game prior to the next senior match in O'Moore Park.

good call

Spoke to someone from Tipp in the last half hour as regards what Castletown did.

squad Rules are in place there for both u12 and CnaB

Do it at any point before a final and your team is thrown out

Get caught after a final,you forfeit the game and the other team automatically wins

Do it twice in a season,you are turfed out with the ultimate sanction of a next season ban

simple and as clear as that
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on June 01, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Reply the game prior to the next senior match in O'Moore Park.
Not sure replay is the answer at this stage. Its a mess. Just hand back the trophy and put it in the past. They've already fucked it up for everyone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 01, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Yeh, I would replay it in front of a crowd and make a fuss of the kids. They are probably well aware of what is going on so it would redeem it somewhat for them. If I was that age and was offered the chance to play again i'd take it. Fair enough if Castletown win it so be it but by the sound of things Knockmay had beaten them earlier this year. As someone mentioned here it might mean a whole lot more to the kids of Knockmay school and keep an interest in hurling going.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 01:07:08 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on June 01, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Reply the game prior to the next senior match in O'Moore Park.
Not sure replay is the answer at this stage. Its a mess. Just hand back the trophy and put it in the past. They've already fucked it up for everyone.

No let both sets of kids play for it,the way they should have in the first place.

Throwing the cup from the boot of one car into another car some night,doesn't improve anything and is a pure gombeen approach.

Justice to both sets of kids should be done and more importantly be seen to be done
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on June 01, 2017, 04:16:57 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on June 01, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Yeh, I would replay it in front of a crowd and make a fuss of the kids. They are probably well aware of what is going on so it would redeem it somewhat for them. If I was that age and was offered the chance to play again i'd take it. Fair enough if Castletown win it so be it but by the sound of things Knockmay had beaten them earlier this year. As someone mentioned here it might mean a whole lot more to the kids of Knockmay school and keep an interest in hurling going.

This story has gone viral and doesn't help Laois's reputation or our promotion of hurling in the county.

Play it before Laois next hurling game make a big fuss and let the best team win....

The kids would want it that way!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 01, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 01, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
My sentiments exactly. We'll have a qualifier, but there's no guarantee it'll be a home game. And people want to drag this out for another month? The kids will have it forgotten by that stage. Just hand over the trophy, its a shameful issue that should be put to bed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 01, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
My sentiments exactly. We'll have a qualifier, but there's no guarantee it'll be a home game. And people want to drag this out for another month? The kids will have it forgotten by that stage. Just hand over the trophy, its a shameful issue that should be put to bed.

But the parents and the kids won't forget it,that's the point.

If laois aren't at home,play it before a club game in OMP and treat both sets of kids afterwards

Bottom line the final should be replayed,because it's the right thing to do.

Sweeping it under the Carpet because it's "shameful" seems to be the Irish answer to everything.







Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 01, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
My sentiments exactly. We'll have a qualifier, but there's no guarantee it'll be a home game. And people want to drag this out for another month? The kids will have it forgotten by that stage. Just hand over the trophy, its a shameful issue that should be put to bed.

But the parents and the kids won't forget it,that's the point.

If laois aren't at home,play it before a club game in OMP and treat both sets of kids afterwards

Bottom line the final should be replayed,because it's the right thing to do.

Sweeping it under the Carpet because it's "shameful" seems to be the Irish answer to everything.
No ones swept anything under the carpet. Its out in the open. The chairperson has been disciplined and resigned in disgrace, the school mocked, and the "win" is worthless. Lay off the "won't someone think of the children" approach there a bit, you're likely to give yourself an injury. You were the one who also said no rules were broken earlier.

And to top it all off, you now plan on waiting for a club championship game, so we're going further into the summer for this. f**k it, lets drag it out a bit more if we can shall we? Will be play it before the county final altogether?

Hand over the trophy and let the whole thing die. Its a cuntfuck of a situation, that is irredeemable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: theskull1 on June 01, 2017, 05:23:41 PM
From an outsiders perspective.... I think its admirable the noise being made about this issue. I've heard of one or two instances up in Antrim at primary school aged indoor competitions where stronger A team players arrived on finals days to compete in lower division finals. There was a bit of grumbling but finding enough people to care enough to make some noise about it was a problem.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on June 01, 2017, 05:23:41 PM
From an outsiders perspective.... I think its admirable the noise being made about this issue. I've heard of one or two instances up in Antrim at primary school aged indoor competitions where stronger A team players arrived on finals days to compete in lower division finals. There was a bit of grumbling but finding enough people to care enough to make some noise about it was a problem.
Its a credit to the journalist in question, no doubt.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 06:01:56 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 01, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
My sentiments exactly. We'll have a qualifier, but there's no guarantee it'll be a home game. And people want to drag this out for another month? The kids will have it forgotten by that stage. Just hand over the trophy, its a shameful issue that should be put to bed.

But the parents and the kids won't forget it,that's the point.

If laois aren't at home,play it before a club game in OMP and treat both sets of kids afterwards

Bottom line the final should be replayed,because it's the right thing to do.

Sweeping it under the Carpet because it's "shameful" seems to be the Irish answer to everything.
No ones swept anything under the carpet. Its out in the open. The chairperson has been disciplined and resigned in disgrace, the school mocked, and the "win" is worthless. Lay off the "won't someone think of the children" approach there a bit, you're likely to give yourself an injury. You were the one who also said no rules were broken earlier.

And to top it all off, you now plan on waiting for a club championship game, so we're going further into the summer for this. f**k it, lets drag it out a bit more if we can shall we? Will be play it before the county final altogether?

Hand over the trophy and let the whole thing die. Its a cuntfuck of a situation, that is irredeemable.

You should have been a member of the clergy or a politican in the 1960's with that gombeen attitude.

shur move it along there lads,nothing to see,everyone forget about it and to hell with the consequences

Play the f**king thing tomorrow then,if your so worried about "our" reputation

Its never too late to do the right thing,but that would'nt exactly be our style

and we wonder why laois hurling doesn't progress and we are a complete laughing stock........
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 06:04:47 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on June 01, 2017, 05:23:41 PM
From an outsiders perspective.... I think its admirable the noise being made about this issue. I've heard of one or two instances up in Antrim at primary school aged indoor competitions where stronger A team players arrived on finals days to compete in lower division finals. There was a bit of grumbling but finding enough people to care enough to make some noise about it was a problem.

maybe the journo in question is like a lot of us,sick of the inept governance and amateur carry on of people that are charged to run and promote hurling in this county.

Fair play to him for having the integrity and backbone to highlight it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 06:12:42 PM
oh and speaking about incompetence,

The lack of hurling referees has now reached "a crisis" according to the powers that be in an email today and there is a "likelihood" that hurling games at u14/16/minor might have to be postponed due to a lack of refs in the coming months.

at least mentors might have a bit of practice,having reffed all the u12 games might now be able to step up and do the older games as well.

laughable
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 01, 2017, 06:40:05 PM
I must say, I agree w/ Don on this. Get it over with. No need for this holier-than-thou rubbish.

The lack of referees in the county is FAR more serious. However, we've been able to get county board refs for some of our u12 games. Just because the county board ain't supplying them, doesn't mean they're not to be got.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Cruella De Vil on June 01, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Also agree with all of dons take on this, apart from the public floggings!!

Disgusting and brainless behaviour by a "thick", pure and simple, if you're  A team & 'A' players take part in division 1, what the f**k good would s div 8 final be to you or your 'A' players.
I'd imagine knockmay & similar schools with very little GAA background get it tough to promote the games, a win in anything would help no end keep interest with kids and parents alike.

As for them quoting rules or lack of broken rules etc., one further expresses the level of backward thickness involved. Should you need a watertight rule book for primary kids games?

What about a bit of integrity, common sense and intelligence, attributes you surely would expect to find in our principals and their staff.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on June 02, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
Castletown were completely wrong and the principal of the school who was also chairperson knew what she done was deceitful and displayed a complete disrespect for the children of her School and the opposing school. as a result of this she put her hands up and resigned in embarrassment.
How can she look at a cup in the school for the next year knowing it was won by cheating under her instruction is beggars belief. All of her Students know this, so the wright thing to do is hand back the cup and close the issue.
lets hope it is a lesson learned,keeping the cup is telling the school kids that it all right to cheat and win at all cost is more important than honesty. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 05, 2017, 04:14:18 PM
At the opposite end of the spectrum to that clown of a principal in Castletown

18 Pupils

2 teachers

A first class goalie in every sense of the word

Just goes to show what can be achieved with good people in charge

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/05/18-students-2-teachers-3-counties-incredible-story-ardough-ns-cumann-na-mbunscol-triumph/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on June 05, 2017, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 05, 2017, 04:14:18 PM
At the opposite end of the spectrum to that clown of a principal in Castletown

18 Pupils

2 teachers

A first class goalie in every sense of the word

Just goes to show what can be achieved with good people in charge

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/05/18-students-2-teachers-3-counties-incredible-story-ardough-ns-cumann-na-mbunscol-triumph/
what a wonderful story well done to all involved. this win was achieved by hard work and dedication. reading the story of the school and all involved would lift anyone's heart. an achievement that will never be forgot by all the students, parents, staff and mentors to me that is the true spirit of  cumann-na-mbunscol a very positive achievement after all the negatives from Castletown N.S.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on June 10, 2017, 04:49:03 PM
Our U14 hurlers face Dublin tomorrow morning at 11 in the Centre of Excellence. Should be a good test for this group of lads who have been going well. We may be short a few though.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 10, 2017, 07:33:21 PM
Tony Forristal Hurling Draw.
Group 1
Wexford, Galway, Clare, Cork.
Group 2
Kilkenny, Limerick, Laois
Group 3
Tipperary,  Waterford, Dublin
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 10, 2017, 10:51:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 10, 2017, 07:33:21 PM
Tony Forristal Hurling Draw.
Group 1
Wexford, Galway, Clare, Cork.
Group 2
Kilkenny, Limerick, Laois
Group 3
Tipperary,  Waterford, Dublin

Interesting that Laois are the only team here that wouldn't be a considered a top team. Admirable ambition. Are they strong enough for it?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on June 18, 2017, 07:05:17 AM
Good luck to Rosenallis who play Bunclody in the Div2 Feile Cup semi-final today. They are doing the county proud.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on June 18, 2017, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on June 18, 2017, 07:05:17 AM
Good luck to Rosenallis who play Bunclody in the Div2 Feile Cup semi-final today. They are doing the county proud.
And Park Ratheniska Timahoe too in Div 10.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on June 18, 2017, 10:23:24 PM
Congratulations to Rosenallis on winning the Feile Division 2. This is a great achievement and deserves applause.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 18, 2017, 10:35:39 PM
That club deserves serious praise. A template that should be repeated across the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on June 18, 2017, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on June 18, 2017, 10:23:24 PM
Congratulations to Rosenallis on winning the Feile Division 2. This is a great achievement and deserves applause.
The feile has been devalued somewhat since they reformed it a few years ago. But this was real deal in so far as they beat 2 Kilkenny Division 1 teams in the knockout stages. There are only 6 teams in Division 1 in Kilkenny which shows the scale of the achievement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on June 18, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on June 18, 2017, 10:35:39 PM
That club deserves serious praise. A template that should be repeated across the county.
You are right on that. One advantage Rosenallis has is that it is the only club in the parish which puts the club at the heart of the community. Everybody tends to sing from the same hymn sheet. Very few clubs have people as committed as Rosenallis and it shows in their teams. Ballyfin and Clonaslee are other clubs who could do well to emulate them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 18, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
Once again, hats off to the people of Rosenallis.
We could all learn from them.
The clubs surrounding them certainly could.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 19, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
Very impressive to see a Laois team win a premium hurling feile title and taking such scalps along the way. Div 2 is a serious level. Well done to Rosenallis.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 19, 2017, 10:27:16 AM
Well done to Rosenallis,a club that does its juvenile business right.

Second year in a row that a Laois team has won div2 .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 19, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 19, 2017, 10:27:16 AM
Well done to Rosenallis,a club that does its juvenile business right.

Second year in a row that a Laois team has won div2 .

Who won it last year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 19, 2017, 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on June 19, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 19, 2017, 10:27:16 AM
Well done to Rosenallis,a club that does its juvenile business right.

Second year in a row that a Laois team has won div2 .

Who won it last year?
Abbeyleix
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 21, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/19/round-eight-laois-teams-enjoy-glorious-feile-weekend/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 20, 2017, 10:47:28 AM
Tipp getting another 4 GDA's on top of their existing 8

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on July 22, 2017, 11:13:52 AM
After dwelling on laois performances since we exited all competitions in 2017 I have come to the following conclusions;
The Senior hurlers...
I think it was a reasonably good year overall. Maintaining division 1B status is crucial, topping the table in the round robin, beating Carlow in the qualifiers are good achievements for this team. Who knows if we hadn't so many injuries how close we would have got to Dublin.
Going forward as has already been said its crucial that Cahir Healy and Matthew Whelan stay on for another couple of years. We really need to strengthen the panel next year to and hopefully the likes of Joe Campion, Colm Stapleton, PJ Scully, Gearoid Burke and Eoin Reilly rejoin the panel. There are other guys like Robbie Phelan, Joe Geaney, Padraig Delaney and Ciaran Comerford  to name a few that should be encouraged to commit to the panel.
I reckon we are the tenth best team in Ireland at the moment, with Offaly in disarray coming11th. Offaly are likely to lose some of their best players over the next year or two as Shane Dooley, Joe Bergin and captain Sean Ryan at the end of their county careers.
The problem for laois is that their is too big a gap between us and the team at number 9 which is probably Dublin. There has been a lot of talk about bridging the gap over the past few years but no action actually doing something about it.

While the are some encouraging signs coming from some underage teams there are not enough encouraging signs. The minors surprised a lot of people this year and really can be proud of their efforts, running Dublin to 3 points was fair going and this is where we need to get to with all our underage teams. We need to be at least competitive and then results will follow here and there. The under 14s have shown promise but against who? Its only in the Tony forrestal competitions that you really see where these lads are at.

So what can be done??
We can and should constantly be begging croke park for support and when they don't give it go to national media to complain about them and show them up, for example, the huge quantities of money being pumped into development in Dublin where financially they are already mega rich is a disgrace. Almost every club in Dublin have full time GDO's and have state of the art facilities. Its obvious that the GAA will do all they can to support Dublin while the weaker counties are struggling to stay a float. We might not have any success in our pleading but its worth fighting for.
Outside croke parks help its up to our Co board to put structures in place that will give us a better chance of success in the future, we will never improve enough to win anything unless a strategic plan is in place and implemented in the best possible way.
What should our Co board do??
1) Hire a full time director of hurling
Who? Cheddar Plunkett - This man has already proved to everybody how good an organizer he is, how intelligent he is and he has shown an incredible passion for the game and above all for his county. Cheddar should be given full support from the county board to carry out his agenda
What should Cheddar do?
- Put a plan together for the future of laois hurling incorporating every aspect of the game in terms of development of players, supporters clubs, fundraising, urban involvement, referees, club development etc
- Put a trusted team (committee) of people in place that he can delegate different jobs to, intelligent passionate laois hurling people like, Pat Critchley, Niall Rigney, Paul Cuddy, John O Sullivan, Enda Lyons, Andy Dunne, Brian Stapleton, Brian Campion, Tommy Fitzgerald etc (There are good people in every club)
Clubs should nominate people they feel would have something to add and those people would be interviewed by Cheddar to assess their suitability, commitment and passion for the job. The difficult part is to get these good people involved as they would be voluntary positions, however with Cheddars persuasive ways and something worthwhile id be confident a good team of men could be assembled for the job.
- Regionalize and expand the setanta and chuchullian programmes, possibly dividing up the county in 4 even zones, supervised buses should be ran to bring players to and from the camps. This would encourage more involvement. Each zone would have a GDO(ideally full time) reporting to Cheddar weekly or bi-weekly. Cheddar would assess each zone on how they are working and how they could be improved, giving assistance to the GDO's as much as possible.
- A Laois hurling school of excellence focused at elite players from the ages of 13 -17 should be formed with individual plans divised for each player to work on their weaknesses, each player should be monitored closely between the ages of 13 - 17. The management teams would be interviewed and hired by cheddar and his committee. All members of management teams should have completed level two coaching course (County level coaching certificate)
- A plan for primary and post primary schools drawn up and implemented, focused on involvement from all primary schools across Laois with weekly coaching sessions from the regional GDO. The GDO's should also be involved in post primary schools hurling and help in preparation of the teams along with the school teachers for their respective competitions.
- Cheddar, his committee and the GDO's should help all clubs across the county to implement their own hurling structures at club level and try to raise the standard to hurling at all levels in the county.

Its time to put pressure on our Co board to do something now before we are so far back that we can never "bridge the gap". It needs to be done and it needs to be done soon!!

These are just some of the ideas that I have, I haven't put that much thought into it so don't jump down my throat!!
I feel my plans are realistic even without financial support from croke park,  Offaly managed to hire a full time director of hurling(who has since resigned). We already have two hurling GDO's but we really need at least two more.
Im sure there are people out there with other good ideas and id be interested to hear them...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 22, 2017, 09:32:34 PM
Good post Tobias.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 22, 2017, 10:05:51 PM
Good post Tobias.
First thing IMO would be to get some hurling men into key county board positions. At the moment the Chair, Sec & Treasurer are all from exclusive football clubs.
Hurling clubs need to organise and get good people into key positions.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
Quote from: Tobias on July 22, 2017, 11:13:52 AM
After dwelling on laois performances since we exited all competitions in 2017 I have come to the following conclusions;
The Senior hurlers...
I think it was a reasonably good year overall. Maintaining division 1B status is crucial, topping the table in the round robin, beating Carlow in the qualifiers are good achievements for this team. Who knows if we hadn't so many injuries how close we would have got to Dublin.
Going forward as has already been said its crucial that Cahir Healy and Matthew Whelan stay on for another couple of years. We really need to strengthen the panel next year to and hopefully the likes of Joe Campion, Colm Stapleton, PJ Scully, Gearoid Burke and Eoin Reilly rejoin the panel. There are other guys like Robbie Phelan, Joe Geaney, Padraig Delaney and Ciaran Comerford  to name a few that should be encouraged to commit to the panel.
I reckon we are the tenth best team in Ireland at the moment, with Offaly in disarray coming11th. Offaly are likely to lose some of their best players over the next year or two as Shane Dooley, Joe Bergin and captain Sean Ryan at the end of their county careers.
The problem for laois is that their is too big a gap between us and the team at number 9 which is probably Dublin. There has been a lot of talk about bridging the gap over the past few years but no action actually doing something about it.

While the are some encouraging signs coming from some underage teams there are not enough encouraging signs. The minors surprised a lot of people this year and really can be proud of their efforts, running Dublin to 3 points was fair going and this is where we need to get to with all our underage teams. We need to be at least competitive and then results will follow here and there. The under 14s have shown promise but against who? Its only in the Tony forrestal competitions that you really see where these lads are at.

So what can be done??
We can and should constantly be begging croke park for support and when they don't give it go to national media to complain about them and show them up, for example, the huge quantities of money being pumped into development in Dublin where financially they are already mega rich is a disgrace. Almost every club in Dublin have full time GDO's and have state of the art facilities. Its obvious that the GAA will do all they can to support Dublin while the weaker counties are struggling to stay a float. We might not have any success in our pleading but its worth fighting for.
Outside croke parks help its up to our Co board to put structures in place that will give us a better chance of success in the future, we will never improve enough to win anything unless a strategic plan is in place and implemented in the best possible way.
What should our Co board do??
1) Hire a full time director of hurling
Who? Cheddar Plunkett - This man has already proved to everybody how good an organizer he is, how intelligent he is and he has shown an incredible passion for the game and above all for his county. Cheddar should be given full support from the county board to carry out his agenda
What should Cheddar do?
- Put a plan together for the future of laois hurling incorporating every aspect of the game in terms of development of players, supporters clubs, fundraising, urban involvement, referees, club development etc
- Put a trusted team (committee) of people in place that he can delegate different jobs to, intelligent passionate laois hurling people like, Pat Critchley, Niall Rigney, Paul Cuddy, John O Sullivan, Enda Lyons, Andy Dunne, Brian Stapleton, Brian Campion, Tommy Fitzgerald etc (There are good people in every club)
Clubs should nominate people they feel would have something to add and those people would be interviewed by Cheddar to assess their suitability, commitment and passion for the job. The difficult part is to get these good people involved as they would be voluntary positions, however with Cheddars persuasive ways and something worthwhile id be confident a good team of men could be assembled for the job.
- Regionalize and expand the setanta and chuchullian programmes, possibly dividing up the county in 4 even zones, supervised buses should be ran to bring players to and from the camps. This would encourage more involvement. Each zone would have a GDO(ideally full time) reporting to Cheddar weekly or bi-weekly. Cheddar would assess each zone on how they are working and how they could be improved, giving assistance to the GDO's as much as possible.
- A Laois hurling school of excellence focused at elite players from the ages of 13 -17 should be formed with individual plans divised for each player to work on their weaknesses, each player should be monitored closely between the ages of 13 - 17. The management teams would be interviewed and hired by cheddar and his committee. All members of management teams should have completed level two coaching course (County level coaching certificate)
- A plan for primary and post primary schools drawn up and implemented, focused on involvement from all primary schools across Laois with weekly coaching sessions from the regional GDO. The GDO's should also be involved in post primary schools hurling and help in preparation of the teams along with the school teachers for their respective competitions.
- Cheddar, his committee and the GDO's should help all clubs across the county to implement their own hurling structures at club level and try to raise the standard to hurling at all levels in the county.

Its time to put pressure on our Co board to do something now before we are so far back that we can never "bridge the gap". It needs to be done and it needs to be done soon!!

These are just some of the ideas that I have, I haven't put that much thought into it so don't jump down my throat!!
I feel my plans are realistic even without financial support from croke park,  Offaly managed to hire a full time director of hurling(who has since resigned). We already have two hurling GDO's but we really need at least two more.
Im sure there are people out there with other good ideas and id be interested to hear them...

I've no expertise on Laois hurling but I found your post excellent. The GAA is really letting hurling down in its mad pursuit of a great Dublin hurling team. I don't agree with, but can understand, the money which is being pumped into Dublin football as, although it has some claim to being a dual county, Dublin really is a football area both in terms of the priorities of most players and also supporters. The Midlands used to have a lot to offer hurling, not just Offaly, but the GAA is in big danger of losing this altogether. I honestly believe more funding has to go into Laois, Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow to maximise the development in those counties. Hurling in Carlow for example has come on quite a bit over the years, true also of Westmeath. These counties are also naturally placed in areas where hurling has scope to seriously develop. First of all, they're all reasonably close enough to each other to develop strong and healthy rivalries if they can attain the first step, which would be to be solid 1B teams. The next stage would be to see which can then push on to potentially become 1A teams. If this could be achieved then the opportunity for developing support would be there. Laois borders Tipp and Kilkenny, Offaly Tipp and Galway, Carlow Wexford and Kilkenny. Enjoyment of the game is paramount in creating a solid support base but the second thing is local rivalry and the opportunity to get one over your neighbours. I know that the second stage is probably a minimum of ten to fifteen years away but the first stage is almost there and can be solidified if the GAA treats these counties with respect and backs them properly. Your point about raising the issue of the GAA not backing ye in the paper is a good one. Realistically, as Laois hurling is not big name at the moment, as a county in your own right you're probably going to get the Laois Nationalist to do the most listening to ye. I would wonder whether discussing your problems with Carlow, Westmeath and Offaly, possibly even Antrim might go some way to creating more noise and the kind of interest from national media that ye would need in the long run. What the GAA is doing with Dublin hurling is scandalous, especially when it is to the detriment of counties who have a long established history of the sport.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on July 28, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Gutting news that Mark Kavanagh has done the cruciate again.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on August 01, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
I honestly believe more funding has to go into Laois, Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow to maximise the development in those counties.

Carlow, Westmeath and Offaly, possibly even Antrim

Agreed. The problem is that those five counties have a max offering of about 1,000,000 people. If you take out the protestant element of Antrim, you're probably down to 700,000. Dublin, regardless of other pursuits, has a population of 1.3m or so. That's one hell of a captive audience for one county.

If Laois is successful, then the other 615,000 people in OY, WH, CW & Antrim lose interest. The GAA has spun this out now and won't stop until Dublin win 5/6/7 AI football titles in a row.

Thank God the sanctity of hurling has been preserved from the financial doping that has been going on in favour of our capital.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 02, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on August 01, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
Thank God the sanctity of hurling has been preserved from the financial doping that has been going on in favour of our capital.

Unfortunately not. It is just a matter of time. The hurling populations and investment in Dublin is obscene, they just haven't had the rewards yet but it will come in time. At some point they will produce 20 hurlers at the same time that are good enough and it will all happen after that.

The sad thing is that a fraction of the investment in the counties referenced above would create multiple counties that can become competitive. The reality is that the playing populations and investment in these counties is really small compared to the dominant counties. Contrast Tipp, KK, Cork, Waterford, Clare, Limerick, Galway in terms of numbers and money with Laois etc. Offaly to their credit and to a lesser extent Wexford are the only teams ever to break the mold and become genuine contenders, mainly driven by crops of very talented players coming at the same time.

Cheddar recognized that in Laois, we need investment to get way more lads hurling in the county to increase the chances of producing crops of players that can compete at the highest levels. To put it in context, Tipp produce about 2-4 top class new hurlers every year despite their size. In reality, we produce one every 3 or 4 years that would be considered really top class (likes of Cha, Zane, Joe Fitz, Niall Rigney, James Young, John Taylor etc). We have improved to be fair and are probably the best of the Tier 2 counties but still have a massive bridge to gap.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 17, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/17/laois-gaa-appoint-new-games-development-officer/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 17, 2017, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 17, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/17/laois-gaa-appoint-new-games-development-officer/

Anyone know anything about him? Is of a mainly hurling or football background?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on August 17, 2017, 09:23:54 PM
Great news. Fairly sure hes from a hurling background and well regarded in Wexford.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 17, 2017, 10:53:06 PM
Tipp Man

Played football with Ardfinnan and hurling with Cummins in Ballybacon Grange
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 18, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
What's going on in Timahoe?
Abbeyleix beat them by 10 points tonight.
To put it into context- Castletown beat Abbeyleix by 19 points in the last round! And The Harps beat Castletown by 5 points comfortably in the first round!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 19, 2017, 12:18:10 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 18, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
What's going on in Timahoe?
Abbeyleix beat them by 10 points tonight.
To put it into context- Castletown beat Abbeyleix by 19 points in the last round! And The Harps beat Castletown by 5 points comfortably in the first round!

It appears hurling is on its last legs there

Sad to see
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 21, 2017, 05:44:02 PM
Fixtures for Laois underage hurlers next weekend. Good to see the U15's bringing two teams and the U14's up against KK and Limerick.


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/)

Arrabawn Co-op U-16 Hurling 'B' Tournament
Meath v Laois in Dunesk, 10.30am
Limerick v Laois in Cahir, 12noon
Kerry v Laois in Dunesk, 1.30pm
Semi Finals in Cahir, 3.15pm
Final in Clonmel at 5pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 1
Laois v Kilkenny in Ferns at 11.30am
Laois v Offaly in Ferns at 12.30pm
Semi Finals in Ferns at 1.30pm
Final in Ferns at 2.30pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 3
All group games in Marshallstown in Wexford
Laois v Kildare at 10.30am
Laois v Wicklow at 12.10pm
Laois v Westmeath at 1pm
Laois v Meath at 1.50pm
Final in Ferns at 3.15pm

Tony Forrestal U-14 Hurling Tournament
Group games and semi-final in Mount Sion
Kilkenny v Laois at 12.30pm
Limerick v Laois at 2.10pm
Semi Finals at 3.50pm
Final in Walsh Park at 6.45pm

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 22, 2017, 01:25:13 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on August 21, 2017, 05:44:02 PM
Fixtures for Laois underage hurlers next weekend. Good to see the U15's bringing two teams and the U14's up against KK and Limerick.


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/)

Arrabawn Co-op U-16 Hurling 'B' Tournament
Meath v Laois in Dunesk, 10.30am
Limerick v Laois in Cahir, 12noon
Kerry v Laois in Dunesk, 1.30pm
Semi Finals in Cahir, 3.15pm
Final in Clonmel at 5pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 1
Laois v Kilkenny in Ferns at 11.30am
Laois v Offaly in Ferns at 12.30pm
Semi Finals in Ferns at 1.30pm
Final in Ferns at 2.30pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 3
All group games in Marshallstown in Wexford
Laois v Kildare at 10.30am
Laois v Wicklow at 12.10pm
Laois v Westmeath at 1pm
Laois v Meath at 1.50pm
Final in Ferns at 3.15pm

Tony Forrestal U-14 Hurling Tournament
Group games and semi-final in Mount Sion
Kilkenny v Laois at 12.30pm
Limerick v Laois at 2.10pm
Semi Finals at 3.50pm
Final in Walsh Park at 6.45pm

The 2 teams playing in A competitions will provide good insights into where we are. These are prestigious competitions. Pity to see the U-16s playing in the B Arrabawn. Surprised to see Limerick there.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on August 22, 2017, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on August 22, 2017, 01:25:13 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on August 21, 2017, 05:44:02 PM
Fixtures for Laois underage hurlers next weekend. Good to see the U15's bringing two teams and the U14's up against KK and Limerick.


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/)

Arrabawn Co-op U-16 Hurling 'B' Tournament
Meath v Laois in Dunesk, 10.30am
Limerick v Laois in Cahir, 12noon
Kerry v Laois in Dunesk, 1.30pm
Semi Finals in Cahir, 3.15pm
Final in Clonmel at 5pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 1
Laois v Kilkenny in Ferns at 11.30am
Laois v Offaly in Ferns at 12.30pm
Semi Finals in Ferns at 1.30pm
Final in Ferns at 2.30pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 3
All group games in Marshallstown in Wexford
Laois v Kildare at 10.30am
Laois v Wicklow at 12.10pm
Laois v Westmeath at 1pm
Laois v Meath at 1.50pm
Final in Ferns at 3.15pm

Tony Forrestal U-14 Hurling Tournament
Group games and semi-final in Mount Sion
Kilkenny v Laois at 12.30pm
Limerick v Laois at 2.10pm
Semi Finals at 3.50pm
Final in Walsh Park at 6.45pm

The 2 teams playing in A competitions will provide good insights into where we are. These are prestigious competitions. Pity to see the U-16s playing in the B Arrabawn. Surprised to see Limerick there.
I would imagine Limerick have entered two teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 22, 2017, 04:46:22 PM
Yeh, Limerick are competing in A also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on August 26, 2017, 04:45:20 AM
Important day today. We need to start competing well in these competitions. The opposition will be tough at all grades but this is where you find out what we really have, all the previous results are irrelevant. Hoping the U14s can at least be competitive and the under 16s should be winning games in their group although Limericks second team wont be simple.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 01:06:33 PM
U16 B Gr 1 Rd 2 results
Cahir
Limerick 0.07 Laois 3.10
Duneske
Meath 3.11 Kerry 1.15 U16B group 3 Round 2 Result Clare 4-10 Carlow 1-08
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 01:07:33 PM
U16 B Gr 1 Rd1 Duneske
Meath 2:06 Laois 6:12
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 01:09:34 PM
MichaelFoley U15 Cup in Wexford.

Laois 4-10 Kilkenny South 1-5
Laois B 1-15 Kildare B 0-1.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on August 26, 2017, 02:02:29 PM
Good results so far anyway.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on August 26, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Heard Laois under 14s beat Kilkenny by a point in Tony Forristal. Some win if that was against whole Kilkenny county!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 26, 2017, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: Helix on August 26, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Heard Laois under 14s beat Kilkenny by a point in Tony Forristal. Some win if that was against whole Kilkenny county!
It was, and they beat Limerick after to qualify for semi final.

The lead Tipp by a point in semi final at half time only to run out of gas in second half to lose 2-10 to 0-7.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 08:57:12 PM
Tipp bet galway in the final by 4 points
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on August 26, 2017, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 08:57:12 PM
Tipp bet galway in the final by 4 points

A step in the right direction. Hopefully the development continues on par with the likes of Kilkenny. We need to eliminate this fear of them at underage level and beyond.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 26, 2017, 10:30:28 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 26, 2017, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: Helix on August 26, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Heard Laois under 14s beat Kilkenny by a point in Tony Forristal. Some win if that was against whole Kilkenny county!
It was, and they beat Limerick after to qualify for semi final.

The lead Tipp by a point in semi final at half time only to run out of gas in second half to lose 2-10 to 0-7.

Beating Limerick and Kk at A level in this competition is the most impressive underage result I have ever seen from a Laois team. We have always been fine in B competitions. Well done to the young lads and their coaches. Anyone know who is in charge?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 10:45:08 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/26/laois-u-14-hurlers-reach-forristal-cup-semi-finals-following-wins-kilkenny-limerick/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 26, 2017, 10:52:40 PM
Management team is Liam Dunne from C/B, Ollie Quinlan of B/K, Seamus Dooley of Rosenallis and Ciaran Muldowney.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on August 27, 2017, 11:48:17 AM
Absolutely delighted for the U14s. The challenge now is to develop and bring them on over the next few years. 3 good club men involved; all with sons on the team who look like great prospects.

Credit also to the U15s who competed well in the A competition. Adding a couple of players from the 14 panel should boost them further.

It's heartening to see positive results like these. We now must change these from exceptions to something more akin to the norm. There are a good bunch of players coming behind at U13 grade so now is the time to drive on. If we have coaches out there who can come in and work with our Development Squads then I hope they put their hands up.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unison on August 27, 2017, 07:04:58 PM
Was the Kilkenny u 14 team their A team? Great win if it was.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on August 27, 2017, 08:46:44 PM
U14s beat both Kilkenny and Limerick A teams. Kilkenny were coached by DJ Carey.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 27, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
Wow! That's excellent. Let's hope they can keep together and aren't lost to the game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on August 28, 2017, 10:31:00 AM
Ive mentioned in previous posts but its now more than ever that a concentrated effort to improve the resources, training facilities, strength and conditioning, top end hurling sessions and a streamlined pathway for all development squads to follow up to under 17 level needs to be brought in and implemented. We obviously have something to work with here and these players need to be shown that this is worth hanging onto. It would be a shame to let them fall away at this stage.

Its been very encouraging from the development squads this year and the minors proved that they can mix it too (bar the kk game). It bodes well but I would just love to see an ambitious plan for laois hurling being drawn up and followed through.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 28, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
To put in perspective the task we face and the achievement of our lads, our panel of 24 on Saturday was drawn from just 10 clubs. Kilkenny in contrast picked from 18 clubs, Galway and Tipperary from 16. Each Laois club is having to provide multiple county standard players in comparison with our more successful neighbours at all grades which is a big ask. Only by improving our coaching in the clubs will we achieve anything long term. I hope the initiative to get more people involved at county level and get a strength and conditioning programme up and running (there is none at the moment) works out, but we need to get this into the clubs as well to provide the players to the county. Our u14s basically ran out of steam in the end and this is no discredit to them. We had Tipperary seriously worried with ten minutes to go. When's the last time we could say the likes of that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 10:03:24 AM
Lads we need to broaden the base of clubs supplying hurlers to these development squads,while we will never have the spread of a Tipp or Cork,1 or 2 more clubs would be a welcome addition.

I had an interesting chat with the father of a Tipp u16 yesterday,who is strongly of the opinion that these tournaments need to be played over a weekend (overnight squad stays and other costs might be an issue) or on consecutive Saturdays,his own lad played 5 games on Saturday and wasn't able to fall out of bed on Sunday.

This would also help the likes of Laois drawing from a smaller pool of players,Tipp were under serious pressure up until the last 10 mins in the 14 semi,when their greater strength in depth saw them home.

The Management and back up team deserve huge plaudits for their efforts


http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/267709/historic-wins-for-laois-underage-hurling-teams-in-tony-forrestal-tournaments.html
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on August 31, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
If we're talking about getting a wider spread of players, you'd have to wonder why Portlaoise are not able to produce a single player capable of getting on the u-14 hurling squad???

Mountrath has one player on it. That club has also seriously underperformed when it comes to supplying inter-county players.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on August 31, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: Giovanni on August 31, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
If we're talking about getting a wider spread of players, you'd have to wonder why Portlaoise are not able to produce a single player capable of getting on the u-14 hurling squad???

Mountrath has one player on it. That club has also seriously underperformed when it comes to supplying inter-county players.
Correct Gio

strike rate not good enough for the town
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 31, 2017, 12:37:27 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on August 31, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
If we're talking about getting a wider spread of players, you'd have to wonder why Portlaoise are not able to produce a single player capable of getting on the u-14 hurling squad???

This is the single most important job of the new hurling development head in Laois. Hurling is dead in Portlaoise. They don't feature at schools level, underage level and their senior (intermediate) team is a long way from what it was 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 12:53:23 PM
Quote from: Laoisguy on August 31, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: Giovanni on August 31, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
If we're talking about getting a wider spread of players, you'd have to wonder why Portlaoise are not able to produce a single player capable of getting on the u-14 hurling squad???

Mountrath has one player on it. That club has also seriously underperformed when it comes to supplying inter-county players.
Correct Gio

strike rate not good enough for the town

A special hurling development plan needs to be put into place in  Portlaoise Parish and then acted upon,whether we like it or not,it has more than a quarter of the county population.

anything up to 70% of the boys in the parish primary schools arent playing the game in any shape or form.

I see Pat Critchley is retired from the Convent,Im sure it wouldnt take a lot in terms of finance or cajoling to appoint him to be Portlaoise Parish Primary School hurling Czar and put structures in place.

Bring back the street leagues for starters.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
Correct Clonad regarding the difference playing over two days would make. AFAIK they used to be.

BTW is there any reason Laois (given our Geographic location) couldn't organise u14/16 tournaments of similar prestige?
You have the Fr Brown Avenue and Rathleague a few minutes away from each other. Each capable of holding 2/3 groups and also OMP for finals.
Laois would have a small advantage as the home team too.

Great work from the 14s. Well done.

On the towns issue, Portlaoise with no u14 county player is shocking. But there's the world of difference between being appalled and engaging with the problem. And at the end of the day Portlaoise GAA are going to have to lead this engagement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
Correct Clonad regarding the difference playing over two days would make. AFAIK they used to be.

BTW is there any reason Laois (given our Geographic location) couldn't organise u14/16 tournaments of similar prestige?
You have the Fr Brown Avenue and Rathleague a few minutes away from each other. Each capable of holding 2/3 groups and also OMP for finals.
Laois would have a small advantage as the home team too.


Great work from the 14s. Well done.

On the towns issue, Portlaoise with no u14 county player is shocking. But there's the world of difference between being appalled and engaging with the problem. And at the end of the day Portlaoise GAA are going to have to lead this engagement.

It would be a great idea in fairness to bid to host,say the u14 Forristal/Walsh competitions.

Waterford had the group stages in 4 club grounds and the final in Walsh Park,Im sure we could more than do this with grounds in easy reach of OMP and the Centre of Excellence
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: OTF on August 31, 2017, 01:43:55 PM
Is it not a problem for the wider GAA same as Dublin was on a smaller scale.
I've bought up this subject many times and no one it seems even want to discuss it.

We spent the whole of last winter discussing amalgamation and the problem rural clubs were having numbers wise, here we have serious numbers just waiting for someone to look after them.
Thats the issue WTF is looking after them. With the best will in the world one club couldn't look after those numbers.
The GAA at national level needs to act in regard to towns in a similar situation to Portlaoise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: OTF on August 31, 2017, 01:43:55 PM
Is it not a problem for the wider GAA same as Dublin was on a smaller scale.
I've bought up this subject many times and no one it seems even want to discuss it.

We spent the whole of last winter discussing amalgamation and the problem rural clubs were having numbers wise, here we have serious numbers just waiting for someone to look after them.
Thats the issue WTF is looking after them. With the best will in the world one club couldn't look after those numbers.
The GAA at national level needs to act in regard to towns in a similar situation to Portlaoise.

I don't think an excessive amount of Laois GAA funds should be allocated to schools in Portlaoise (not at the expense of other schools/clubs anyways).
I'm not saying that Laois GAA don't have a role to play, but the drive/initiative must come from Portlaoise GAA in my opinion.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
I couldn't see it costing a fortune.
You don't get fed etc at any of these tournaments.
A couple of hundred euros for referees, groundsmen etc. I'm sure it's the kind of thing that some semi national company would like to be associated with too.

I think the PR involved and the possible support, feel good factor and interest that would be created by a Laois team competing well (such as the U14s last weekend reaching a semi final) would be worth anything.
Imagine the support that group would have had at a semi final with word spreading on social media, whatsapp groups etc.
Maybe it is a stupid idea, but I think it could be a fantastic PR exercise in promoting a want to hurl with Laois, and a drive to be good enough to do so.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 10:05:09 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
I couldn't see it costing a fortune.
You don't get fed etc at any of these tournaments.
A couple of hundred euros for referees, groundsmen etc. I'm sure it's the kind of thing that some semi national company would like to be associated with too.

I think the PR involved and the possible support, feel good factor and interest that would be created by a Laois team competing well (such as the U14s last weekend reaching a semi final) would be worth anything.
Imagine the support that group would have had at a semi final with word spreading on social media, whatsapp groups etc.
Maybe it is a stupid idea, but I think it could be a fantastic PR exercise in promoting a want to hurl with Laois, and a drive to be good enough to do so.

My thoughts exactly

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on September 01, 2017, 12:07:46 AM
Interesting to hear Tommy Walsh talk about how they were beaten by Laois in the Arrabawn shield final back in the day. Amazing to think about the divergent fortunes of those two Arrabawn teams. It really shows how important it is to work consistently with these players over a long period of time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 01, 2017, 07:38:45 AM
Exactly.  A lot of our great underage prospects seem to peter out, rather than drive on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.

What deficiencies exists then with regard to the current Laois development squad setup?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 01, 2017, 04:14:39 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.

What deficiencies exists then with regard to the current Laois development squad setup?
You believe the Laois Development Squads are currently properly funded? They want for nothing?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 01, 2017, 04:14:39 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.

What deficiencies exists then with regard to the current Laois development squad setup?
You believe the Laois Development Squads are currently properly funded? They want for nothing?

you obviously dont,so where are the deficiencies in the current development squads at u14,u15,u16,how would you address it and what would it cost?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 01, 2017, 07:53:31 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 01, 2017, 04:14:39 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.

What deficiencies exists then with regard to the current Laois development squad setup?
You believe the Laois Development Squads are currently properly funded? They want for nothing?
You

you obviously dont,so where are the deficiencies in the current development squads at u14,u15,u16,how would you address it and what would it cost?
You're making a straw man here for yourself, very poor form. You're the one wishing to hit up sponsors to host a tournament we don't need nor does anyone else. I maintain these sponsors, of which we have few enough are either already contributing, or if not could have their money better put to use than for your vanity project. Cheddar and Zoom would vomit at such a suggestion. Cheddar paid for an entire underage panel to go away for a bonding weekend, not to mention what he did with the senior panels week away. But go on, build your straw man, it'll be a blast.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
Don "deflect" Draper

You were asked a simple enough question and couldn't up with one original contribution of your own.

Everyone in Laois Hurling circles is well aware of the hefty financial contribution Seamus Plunkett made and makes towards the promotion of hurling in this county,as for making them vomit,I had a good chat with Pat in relation to this very topic in the past few days and as always anything to drive the game here would'nt be discounted.

Everyone here has you down as a mouthpiece with the odd smartarse comment,but little of substance to offer.

Keep proving us right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 02, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
Replying to your own reply, I'd say your hands were twitching as the sweat dropped from your brow as you wrote that. Quite coincidental that you were speaking to Pat, what a helpful development that was for your internet argument. Another straw man built and knocked down.

It's great to hear all our squads are well funded and need for nothing, I was speaking to 3 coaches* involved with our underage squads this morning  who guffawed loudly at that.

*internet straw man 101.

Let me know how you get on with that tournament anyway, I'd say it'll be the silver bullet to all our problems.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 08, 2017, 10:32:40 PM
Great to see Mountrath winning a hurling title. It might be an U12 b final but it has to start somewhere. Hopefully it continues.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 30, 2017, 04:49:35 PM
Special Congress votes to restructure All-Ireland SHC

http://www.hoganstand.com/Laois/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=276374&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 03, 2017, 07:26:18 PM
Good to see Clonaslee still keeping us entertained

Them pulling a fast one by playing Cian Conroy and he one of the standout performers at u14,comes back to bite them in the arse

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/10/03/clonaslee-st-manmans-claim-u-17-b-hurling-success-extra-time/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 04, 2017, 11:50:03 AM
Next years Tony Forristal squad coming together

95 attended trials

60 selected,playing Leinster League games in Kilcormac and Carlow this weekend.

Training weekly in the COE.

breakdown by clubs and players

Abbeyleix 7
Ballinakill 6
B/K 1
Camross 5
Castletown/Slieve Bloom 4
C/B 4
Mountrath 1
Na Fianna 1
Park 4
Portlaoise 5
R/E 5
RPG 5
Rosenallis 4
The Harps 10


14 Clubs represented


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 04, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
Great to hear that and good spread of clubs alright.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 04, 2017, 03:05:46 PM
Surprising return from BK?
Astonishing from The Harps.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 04, 2017, 03:08:36 PM
Only Clubs at u14 that dont have representatives on it are Clonaslee and Margey.

Results from the U13 development league might bear out why 10 lads from the harps are on it.

They have a strong bunch at that age and in young Dooley the best hurler in Laois at u13 at the minute
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 05, 2017, 10:57:26 AM
What would be great to see is Laois making some ground at U21 level. We've had decent enough minors over the past 4 or 5 years but  they have made no impression whatsoever at the higher grade. I understand it's not the be all but it's very important for step up to senior.

The younger grades like the U13's etc can be argued as being more important for the county but in saying that u6's right up are all important if we are going to have a more competitive senior county team in the future. I still think we need to look at the transition from minor to u21.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 05, 2017, 10:38:22 PM
Hard to see it happening w/ Galway now in the 'Leinster' championship...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 18, 2017, 11:16:03 AM
Good to see Laois well represented on the shinty teams for the weekend. Five players involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 18, 2017, 12:13:45 PM
Next up for the 2018 Tony Forristal Squad

3 teams playing Wexford in ferns this coming Saturday

Won 5 of the 6 games they played v Carlow,Offaly and Westmeath last Saturday week.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 18, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
Who did they lose to?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 18, 2017, 03:50:25 PM
Offaly 1

Laois had 3 teams out,they haven't a discernable first,second and third team in place yet.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on October 19, 2017, 08:40:28 AM
That is encouraging. We need to expose as many young guys to elitism from this age (any younger is not  too young for elitism).
We will not compete with the better teams if our squads are evenly divided, but the hope is that we would have 20 guys able to compete at A level in Tony Forrestal 2018.
To follow up next year with another good team at 14 level would be very encouraging for the future of the game in the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 19, 2017, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: Tobias on October 19, 2017, 08:40:28 AM
That is encouraging. We need to expose as many young guys to elitism from this age (any younger is not  too young for elitism).
We will not compete with the better teams if our squads are evenly divided, but the hope is that we would have 20 guys able to compete at A level in Tony Forrestal 2018.
To follow up next year with another good team at 14 level would be very encouraging for the future of the game in the county.

The squads are evenly divided so that the mentors will get to see all the players and give the 60 that are currently in place a decent crack of the whip before the squad is reduced to 50 after Christmas.

Wexford should be a step up for them this weekend as both carlow and Westmeath were very poor.

There's a base of 8/10 really decent hurlers in that squad already,but it's going to take a ton of work to get the squad up to last 4 level as many seem to lacking in the fundamentals of the game.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 19, 2017, 05:18:16 PM
Whatever about the limitations of the squad with the skill set it is very encouraging to have as many participants in the one age group and shows there is great interest and a desire for young lads to be involved in the county set up which is a very good thing. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 19, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
They are a little bit behind in comparison to last years crop skillwise,the ground can be made up with a lot of coaching,it would be great if we could have teams reaching the last 4 on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 23, 2017, 09:48:01 AM
How did the games in Wexford go over the weekend?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 23, 2017, 09:54:16 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on October 23, 2017, 09:48:01 AM
How did the games in Wexford go over the weekend?
Called off on account of the weather.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 23, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
Put back to Saturday 04/11 as the Footballers are playing in Louth and Meath next weekend
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 23, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
The finals of the Laois U13 Competitions are that weekend.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 23, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 23, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
The finals of the Laois U13 Competitions are that weekend.

They are,and there's a fair chance that some u13's will have to play 2 finals in 2 days
Title: Re: The future of Laois Hurling
Post by: G@@ on October 24, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/10/24/laois-hurlers-play-ireland-qualifier-tier-2-final/

QuoteCamross delegate Mattie Collier said: "So just to clarify, you are saying that if Laois make the Tier 2 final, they have to play the All-Ireland Qualifier the week before?

"That's ridiculous. You could be playing seven games in eight weeks so?

"You are just making a laughing stock of the whole thing so.

Brian Allen said: "They didn't want us. There's no point in saying otherwise because we are only kidding ourselves.

"It defeats the principle of creating this Tier 2 competition and giving it a prominent date."

This is a farce and the way these fixtures are going to come flying down the tracks all adds up to a "get it over with and out of the way" attitude that is no different to that of the Christy Ring Cup.
Title: Re: The future of Laois Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: G@@ on October 24, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/10/24/laois-hurlers-play-ireland-qualifier-tier-2-final/

QuoteCamross delegate Mattie Collier said: "So just to clarify, you are saying that if Laois make the Tier 2 final, they have to play the All-Ireland Qualifier the week before?

"That's ridiculous. You could be playing seven games in eight weeks so?

"You are just making a laughing stock of the whole thing so.

Brian Allen said: "They didn't want us. There's no point in saying otherwise because we are only kidding ourselves.

"It defeats the principle of creating this Tier 2 competition and giving it a prominent date."

This is a farce and the way these fixtures are going to come flying down the tracks all adds up to a "get it over with and out of this world e way" attitude that is no different to that of the Christy Ring Cup.

The usual moaning out of the county board delegates after the deed was done,there wasn't much in the way of mobilizing support amongst other counties beforehand.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on October 24, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
I hear the hurlers are back doing a bit..
Its a bit crazy really but I guess they have to with the league starting in just over two Months. There is very little down time for lads on County panels to enjoy themselves. There is basically no time off anymore, most clubs have only just finished their seasons and they are back with the county. Lads still under21 or in college don't have any time off. Its tough going but I suppose the lads doing it love it and live for it.
I think we need to see a bit more from our management team in terms of a game plan and playing to our strengths, we were hammered in the league last year in some games that need not have been as bad if managed better imo.
Anyone know of any newcomers to the panel this year? Ive listed a 40 man panel that I would like to see battling for positions. I may have some obvious omissions that ive missed.
E Rowland, E Fleming, P Simms
C Healy(inj), D Palmer(inj), R Mullaney, L Bergin, E Killeen, M Whelan, L Cleere
G Burke, T Delaney, P Delaney, C Phelan, E Doyle, P Lawlor, C Collier, L Delaney
P Purcell, C Taylor, C Stapleton, J Campion, A Corby, J Ryan, P Whelan
C Dwyer, R King, P Maher(inj), M Kavanagh(inj), N Foyle, PJ Scully, B Conroy, W Dunphy,
R Phelan, S Phelan, A Bergin, C Comerford, A Dunphy, Z Keenan
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2017, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: Tobias on October 24, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
I hear the hurlers are back doing a bit..
Its a bit crazy really but I guess they have to with the league starting in just over two Months. There is very little down time for lads on County panels to enjoy themselves. There is basically no time off anymore, most clubs have only just finished their seasons and they are back with the county. Lads still under21 or in college don't have any time off. Its tough going but I suppose the lads doing it love it and live for it.
I think we need to see a bit more from our management team in terms of a game plan and playing to our strengths, we were hammered in the league last year in some games that need not have been as bad if managed better imo.
Anyone know of any newcomers to the panel this year? Ive listed a 40 man panel that I would like to see battling for positions. I may have some obvious omissions that ive missed.
E Rowland, E Fleming, P Simms
C Healy(inj), D Palmer(inj), R Mullaney, L Bergin, E Killeen, M Whelan, L Cleere
G Burke, T Delaney, P Delaney, C Phelan, E Doyle, P Lawlor, C Collier, L Delaney
P Purcell, C Taylor, C Stapleton, J Campion, A Corby, J Ryan, P Whelan
C Dwyer, R King, P Maher(inj), M Kavanagh(inj), N Foyle, PJ Scully, B Conroy, W Dunphy,
R Phelan, S Phelan, A Bergin, C Comerford, A Dunphy, Z Keenan

It's going to be mental for the remainder of this year with the changes in the championship for next year

Survival in 1B and winning the "Tier 2" final should be the goals for 2018
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 24, 2017, 05:27:15 PM
I'd imagine they are in the gym for the winter working on physical conditioning. Eamonn Kelly hinted that it was a major reason we are losing games we should be competitive in. Not something that will come in one winter but a good start.

I hope he has the U21s with him.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 24, 2017, 07:31:27 PM
Sean Downey is one frrom last year that you omitted.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 24, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
Joe Phelan, Camross. Backs are more of a challenge than forwards.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
I see 3rd/4th class hurling and football blitzes in the offing for 2018 courtesy of Cumann Na mbunscoil and our GDA's.

The more we expose to our games,particularly in the likes of Portlaoise,at that age,the better.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 25, 2017, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on October 24, 2017, 05:27:15 PM
I'd imagine they are in the gym for the winter working on physical conditioning. Eamonn Kelly hinted that it was a major reason we are losing games we should be competitive in. Not something that will come in one winter but a good start.

I hope he has the U21s with him.

I also hoped that someone hinted at Eamon that he should get off his arse and react when other teams are dragging us all over the field and leaving acres of space in our back line (See Offaly in the league last year).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2017, 11:32:31 AM
Laois U13's final training session,next monday,to resume in the new year
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 29, 2017, 11:57:33 AM
What's the story with inter county U21 hurling. Why has it not gone back to U20 like the football?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 13, 2017, 07:37:13 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/12/13/laois-cumann-na-mbunscol-hurling-panel-announced/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 15, 2017, 11:28:25 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/crime-and-courts/287448/youth-charged-with-assault-at-laois-gaa-hurling-match.html
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on December 21, 2017, 12:04:22 AM
Good win today for St. Fergal's senior hurlers who dug out a victory against Kilcormac 3:14 to 2:11 in the North Leinster C Colleges semi final. Fergal's were leading by seven points early in the second half but a Kilcormac rally put them in front by two. Fergal's regained the lead in the last ten minutes and held on for the win in what was a hard fought game.
     This means both Fergal's senior and junior teams have made it to the North Leinster finals as the junior team defeated Boyne CS last week. With only three hundred pupils, Fergal's are still punching above their weight.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 22, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Were they in B last year or the year before?

What clubs aside from Rathdowney would most of the students be from?

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on December 23, 2017, 07:59:43 PM
Fergal's used to be in the Vocational Schools section but that has now been absorbed into the college's competition. Clough Ballacolla and Borris Kilcotton would be the main clubs feeding in alongside Rathdowney Errill with the odd lad from the Harps or Galmoy. We 'lose' players to Mountrath, Heywood, Johnstown and Templemore, all of which are much bigger schools.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on January 11, 2018, 09:23:18 AM
St Fergals play Rochfordbridge in the north Leinster C final today. Match is in Rathdowney at 12.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 11, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
Best of luck to the St Fergals team. T'would be a great boost if they got the victory today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on January 11, 2018, 03:21:07 PM
A two point win for Fergal's in what was a very tight game all the way. A very strong, physical Rochfortbridge team were well matched by our lads who probably had the edge in hurling skills. It could have gone either way so it was great to see Fergal's close it out. Play was suspended for about half an hour with ten minutes to go when one of the Rochfortbridge midfielders sustained a neck injury and had to be stretchered off. Hopefully he will be ok. Fergal's were four points up at the time and looking good to close out the game but a goal just after the restart cut the lead to one. Fergal's replied with a quick point and held out in a nail biting finish. They now face the winners of the South Leinster final. Bagenalstown and Carnew face off tomorrow in the semi, with the winners playing Wellingtonbridge.
  St Fergal's junior team will travel to Rochfortbridge next week in the Junior North Leinster final and it would be brilliant to do the double.
All credit to Mr Conroy, Mr Dollard and Andrew Kavanagh for their work with these teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 11, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
Fair play Mentor for the review of the game and well done to St Fergals. Great to hear they won. Hopefully they can go ahead and win the Leinster.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 11, 2018, 04:22:37 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on January 11, 2018, 03:21:07 PM
A two point win for Fergal's in what was a very tight game all the way. A very strong, physical Rochfortbridge team were well matched by our lads who probably had the edge in hurling skills. It could have gone either way so it was great to see Fergal's close it out. Play was suspended for about half an hour with ten minutes to go when one of the Rochfortbridge midfielders sustained a neck injury and had to be stretchered off. Hopefully he will be ok. Fergal's were four points up at the time and looking good to close out the game but a goal just after the restart cut the lead to one. Fergal's replied with a quick point and held out in a nail biting finish. They now face the winners of the South Leinster final. Bagenalstown and Carnew face off tomorrow in the semi, with the winners playing Wellingtonbridge.
  St Fergal's junior team will travel to Rochfortbridge next week in the Junior North Leinster final and it would be brilliant to do the double.
All credit to Mr Conroy, Mr Dollard and Andrew Kavanagh for their work with these teams.

Thanks Madmentor - who showed well for Fergals?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 11, 2018, 05:20:51 PM
Mad Mentor where does the SH 'B' stand at the moment. When are Mountrath CS out again? The masters fixtures list had games between first and second in the groups for Nov 24th bur cannot see any results. Games must have been postponed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on February 20, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
St Fergal's beat Bridgetown VC of Wexford today to qualify for the Leinster Senior C Final against the Dublin champions ( St Mac Dara's CC, Templeogue I think). Having led 2-6 to 0-3 early on, the teams went in 2-6 to 1-7 at half time. Fergal's came out strong in the second half to win 4-11 to 1-9. Wasn't at the match personally so I can't comment on performances.
St. Fergal's junior team are due to play Rochfortbridge in the North Leinster Junior C final soon as well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 23, 2018, 01:56:35 PM
It would be great to see them get up to B level. How many of that team will be there next year I wonder? I see a few of them on the minor panel. How's Thep Fitz getting on, he's a good prospect!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 23, 2018, 02:15:39 PM
http://www.laoisgaa.ie/news/10035656/Under_17_Hurling_Panel_confirmed
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on February 24, 2018, 09:10:14 AM
Fergals play St Declan's CBS of Dublin in the Leinster final on Monday in Hawksfield. There are a good few of the county minors (u17) on the team. Thep Fitz, Cillian Maher from Rathdowney Errill, Kevin Mulhall, Evan Hawkes and Mark Hennessey from Clough Ballacolla and Keelan Kelly from Borris Kilcotton. In addition, Cathal Dunne, Ben Delaney (C-B), Adam Loughman, Mick Shortt, Oisin Campion, Dylan Doyle, (R-E) have all been involved with Laois development squads and would probably have been on the minor panel this year if it had stayed at u18. Best wishes to the lads and Sean Conroy, Joe Dollard and Andrew Kavanagh who are managing them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 26, 2018, 04:37:31 PM
Any word on how the game went today?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on February 26, 2018, 04:44:11 PM
Great win for St Fergals today in the Leinster Hurling C Final - flying the flag for laois hurling. The St Declans team they faced today won the Dublin B division but got to play in the C Leinster final. Don't know why. They also had four players on the North Dublin team who defeated St Kierans in the A final. It looked ominous for Fergals after twenty minutes when they were seven points behind and were down to 14 men following a straight red card for Mick Shortt. Two pointed frees before half time by Chris Rafter brought the defecit to five at half time. With the wind behind them in the second half Fergals took them apart. Our lads had scored ten points to put them four up before St Declans got a point - their solitary score in the second half. A goal for Fergals sealed a fourteen point turn around in what was as good a display of all round teamwork as you will see anywhere. Clough-Ballacolla's Kevin Mulhall was awarded man of the match although I myself thought his fellow clubmate Diarmuid Conway deserved it more, but every one of the team hurled superbly. Final score St Fergals 1-16 St Declans 1-9.
All Ireland semi final coming up on Saturday against Seamount of Kinvara.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 26, 2018, 05:03:30 PM
Great news and well done to Fergals. Cheers for the report Mad Mentor.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on March 08, 2018, 10:01:50 PM
St Fergals face Seamount College of Galway in the All Ireland Colleges senior C hurling semi-final on Saturday. The match is at 2:30 in Kilmallock, Limerick. Best of luck to the lads and their coaches. Scariff Community College await the winners in the final set for the 24th.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 10, 2018, 12:47:25 PM
Feile na nGael

2 x Groups X 4
Group A​​​                          Group B
The Harps​​​                       Camross
CloughBallacolla​​              Castletown Slieve Bloom
Abbeyleix​​​                        Portlaoise
Park Ratheniska Timahoe​  Rathdowney Errill​​

Round 1 – Thurs 5 April (First Named Team at Home)
Round 2 – Fri 6 April (First Named Team at Home)
Round 3 – Sat 7 April (First Named Team at Home)
Semi Finals (A1 v B2 / A2 v B1) & Final – Sun 8 April – Venue tbc
(Nb Rule 6.21 will be applied in the event of teams finishing on same points)

Feile na nGael "B"

2 x Groups X 4
Group A​​​                          Group B
Na Fianna​​​                        Raheen Parish Gaels
Rosenallis​​​                        St Fintans Mountrath
Borris in Ossory Kilcotton​  Ballinakill
Clonasle St Manmans​​        St Pauls Portarlington

Round 1 – Thurs 5 April (First Named Team at Home)
Round 2 – Fri 6 April (First Named Team at Home)
Round 3 – Sat 7 April (First Named Team at Home)
Semi Finals (A1 v B2 / A2 v B1) & Final – Sun 8 April – Venue tbc
(Nb Rule 6.21 will be applied in the event of teams finishing on same points)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on March 10, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
St Fergals have made it to the All Ireland final. In a rollercoaster of a game they overcame Seamount of Kinvara by three points 3-13 to 3-10. Seamount went on a scoring spree in the first half to run up a nine point lead but in the last ten minutes Fergals blitzed them with 1-4 to leave two points in it at the break. It took Fergals twenty minutes of the second half to close the gap and then another scoring spree put them nine points up. Two Seamount goals in quick succession in the last five minutes brought them right back into it but Fergals held out for the win. Several brilliant saves from Cathal Dunne in goal plus his booming puckouts landing on the 20metre line made him my man of the match, but Mark Hennessey, Thep Fitzpatrick and Ben Delaney were also very much to the fore. It was a great all-round team display and a deserved victory. Fergals do seem to like giving their supporters value for their money by letting teams get decent leads against them but so far they have been able to turn them around with ease. Hopefully they see off Scariff in a fortnights time to claim the title.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on March 10, 2018, 07:29:42 PM
Report from Laois Today:
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/03/10/brilliant-st-fergals-book-ireland-final-place/

I've got to say they are great for following Laois teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 08, 2018, 11:49:56 AM
How are Laois minors set up this year? Game against Wexford next Saturday before the football.

Have they a decent group of players who could do well?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 08, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
It'll be a tough year for the minors.

Better set-up than previous years but this wouldn't have been our strongest team at underage levels; teams in next couple of years should be more competitive.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 09, 2018, 09:54:36 AM
Quote from: merman on May 08, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
It'll be a tough year for the minors.

Better set-up than previous years but this wouldn't have been our strongest team at underage levels; teams in next couple of years should be more competitive.
How many years have we been saying that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 09, 2018, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 09, 2018, 09:54:36 AM
Quote from: merman on May 08, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
It'll be a tough year for the minors.

Better set-up than previous years but this wouldn't have been our strongest team at underage levels; teams in next couple of years should be more competitive.
How many years have we been saying that?

Two?

We had high hopes for minor teams before that and we have high hopes for a couple down the line.

Obviously, I'm not suggesting we're going to steam-roll through Leinster or anything but in terms of having teams who have been consistently competitive at U14/15/16 A grades.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 09, 2018, 01:12:48 PM
The observation ties directly to performances in the various U14-U16 competitions.

We had a few good years and those were good teams. Then a couple of not so good teams that represent this year and last year's minors. In fairness, not a whole pile was expected of last years team and they did well enough until the KK hammering.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 09, 2018, 01:37:33 PM
Exactly. And better teams on paper don't reach their potential. It's all about the attitude brought by the players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on May 09, 2018, 02:24:51 PM
Looking at portlaoise recent performances and no minors starting, things not going well there. No camross either but good to see a few from smaller clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 09, 2018, 03:15:24 PM
Minor team for game against Wexford.

LAOIS TEAM: Locran Fitzpatrick (The Harps), Ben Shore (Castletown), Danny Brennan (Park-Ratheniska), Killian Kirwan (Mountrath); Keilan Kelly (Borris-Kilcotton), Conor Cosgrove (Rosenallis), Thep Fitzpatrick (Rathdowney-Errill); Fionan Mahoney (Abbeyleix), Fionn Holland (Clonad); Ciarán Byrne (Abbeyleix), Allan Connolly (Ballyfin), Tadhg Cuddy (Castletown); Mark Hennessy (Clough-Ballacolla), Cathal O'Shaughnessy (Ballinakill), Adam Kirwan (Trumera)


Surprising lack of players from the bigger amalgamated clubs like Rathdowney/Errill, C/B and B/K ( 3 in total). None from Portaloise or Camross as on the hop stated.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 09, 2018, 03:22:34 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 09, 2018, 03:15:24 PM
Minor team for game against Wexford.

LAOIS TEAM: Locran Fitzpatrick (The Harps), Ben Shore (Castletown), Danny Brennan (Park-Ratheniska), Killian Kirwan (Mountrath); Keilan Kelly (Borris-Kilcotton), Conor Cosgrove (Rosenallis), Thep Fitzpatrick (Rathdowney-Errill); Fionan Mahoney (Abbeyleix), Fionn Holland (Clonad); Ciarán Byrne (Abbeyleix), Allan Connolly (Ballyfin), Tadhg Cuddy (Castletown); Mark Hennessy (Clough-Ballacolla), Cathal O'Shaughnessy (Ballinakill), Adam Kirwan (Trumera)


Surprising lack of players from the bigger amalgamated clubs like Rathdowney/Errill, C/B and B/K ( 3 in total). None from Portaloise or Camross as on the hop stated.

The forwards look quite good but to be honest I'd be worried about the backs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Gmac on May 09, 2018, 04:27:02 PM
No Portlaoise man on minor or senior hurling teams can't be good for hurling in Laois
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 09, 2018, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: Gmac on May 09, 2018, 04:27:02 PM
No Portlaoise man on minor or senior hurling teams can't be good for hurling in Laois
Definitely not good for Portlaoise anyway, a hurling wasteland has been allowed take over our largest resource.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 09, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
The decline of Portlaoise hurling is pretty startling and really worrying for county prospects in the future. For many years they have been weak at all levels with rare exceptions. Moving the club to Rathleague and not having a presence in the heart of the town is damaging. Portlaoise were always such an important and competitive hurling club through the years. Not sure how much work is going into revitalizing it.

As for Camross, there is a bit of a trend in terms of representation on county teams....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 09, 2018, 04:48:41 PM
Hard to fathom really with the likes of Cheddar and Zoom from the town as well as plenty of other hurling men who gave their all in the blue and white, Rigney, Tommy Fitz, John Taylor. Are the street leagues stillbeing played?
Are the likes of Clonad benefitting from this problem in Portlaoise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 11, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
Top Oil North Leinster PP Sch Juv H "B" Final
Col Mhuire Mullingar 0-16 Mountrath CS 1-13 AET

Top Oil North Leinster PP Sch Juv H "C" Semi Final
St Fergal's Rathdowney 5-24 Killina Pres SS 2-10

Schools results from yesterday. Massive win for Fergals and Mountrath have to go again. Anyone have any info?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 11, 2018, 01:07:38 PM
Knockbeg are in the south Leinster u14 C hurling final also

Knocked out Callan and Bridgetown from Wexford in the semifinal
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 11, 2018, 05:43:03 PM
In one way, this is depressing reading but at least  there is someone in charge who seems to be clear about what he's doing. From my point of view, he's hit a lot of nails on the head in this interview

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/05/11/minor-hurling-boss-lyons-wants-more-developments-officers-in-laois/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 12, 2018, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on May 11, 2018, 05:43:03 PM
In one way, this is depressing reading but at least  there is someone in charge who seems to be clear about what he's doing. From my point of view, he's hit a lot of nails on the head in this interview

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/05/11/minor-hurling-boss-lyons-wants-more-developments-officers-in-laois/

We need more GDAs- yes.
On the other hand he was one of the main drivers of Ballyfin/Mountmellick joining up to hurl and now Camross/Ballyfin/Mountmellick joining up at some grades.
Definition of talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Good performance today by all accounts.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 13, 2018, 12:38:10 AM
I don't know the man at all or whether he pushed amalgamations in his own club. I am outside of the county and don't know a lot about the club scene.

There are certainly pros and cons to amalgamations and one of the biggest problems with it is that it tends to reduce the total number of players.

Whatever about the argument about amalgamations, judging by today's performance this management team certainly seems to know what it is doing. As someone said earlier, this might not be the most naturally talented bunch (although there are 3 or 4 really excellent players there again) but their workrate and aggression was absolutely top rate. The aggression probably cost them through frees conceded in the end but for me the entire group can go home feeling proud that they represented the county properly.

If there are really more talented lads coming through, would love to see what this management team can do with them.

Well done to all today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 13, 2018, 01:50:38 AM
U14 Hurling yesterday Saturday
The A side beat Westmeath and 2 very poor teams in Kildare and Meath
The B team were beaten 3-09 to 1-09 by Westmeath and beat both Kildare and Meath.

Very little merit in playing the likes of Meath and Kildare when a club side in the county would give them more than enough of a game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 13, 2018, 01:44:20 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on May 13, 2018, 12:38:10 AM

There are certainly pros and cons to amalgamations and one of the biggest problems with it is that it tends to reduce the total number of players.


Quote from: Giovanni on May 13, 2018, 12:38:10 AM

Whatever about the argument about amalgamations, judging by today's performance this management team certainly seems to know what it is doing.

Agree on both counts.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on May 14, 2018, 04:46:56 AM
Quote from: Tobias on May 14, 2018, 04:45:18 AM
Quote from: Tobias on October 27, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

My post from October 2015...I will re-post the same message in the hope of something happening one day although I don't think it ever will unfortunately!!

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on May 14, 2018, 04:51:55 AM
Above message posted in October 2015, I will re-post the same message every year in the hope that something might happen!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 14, 2018, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: Tobias on May 14, 2018, 04:51:55 AM
Above message posted in October 2015, I will re-post the same message every year in the hope that something might happen!!
Would you take it to the CB perhaps?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on May 14, 2018, 11:44:25 AM
He's no longer chairman but Gerry Kavanagh's legacy to Laois hurling lives on and not in a good way. Cheddar must be sick this morning after all his work is now fully undone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 14, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: The PRO on May 14, 2018, 11:44:25 AM
He's no longer chairman but Gerry Kavanagh's legacy to Laois hurling lives on and not in a good way. Cheddar must be sick this morning after all his work is now fully undone.
Cheddar was blackguarded by CB and Croke Park, and quite a few on here if truth be told.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 16, 2018, 10:24:40 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 14, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: The PRO on May 14, 2018, 11:44:25 AM
He's no longer chairman but Gerry Kavanagh's legacy to Laois hurling lives on and not in a good way. Cheddar must be sick this morning after all his work is now fully undone.
Cheddar was blackguarded by CB and Croke Park, and quite a few on here if truth be told.
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How was he blackguarded by Croke Park?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 16, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
His and Pats plan for driving on Laois hurling sits on a shelf up there, gathering dust.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 16, 2018, 11:08:55 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 16, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
His and Pats plan for driving on Laois hurling sits on a shelf up there, gathering dust.

"there's only so much funding to go around" was more or less the response to Cheddar's request for funding for Laois. The responder had a Dublin accent and spoke on behalf of Croke Park. Meanwhile, Dublin has been absolutely coining it for the past 10-12 years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 08:14:43 AM
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on May 16, 2018, 11:08:55 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 16, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
His and Pats plan for driving on Laois hurling sits on a shelf up there, gathering dust.

"there's only so much funding to go around" was more or less the response to Cheddar's request for funding for Laois. The responder had a Dublin accent and spoke on behalf of Croke Park. Meanwhile, Dublin has been absolutely coining it for the past 10-12 years.
All they wanted was funding to carry on, tighten up, and expand the coaching numbers. The programme in place was ostensibly working, it only needed tweaking and expanding. Funding to coach the coaches so to speak. However the GAA's Goebbels was having none of it. Run along there Laois, you're not wanted.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 17, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The sad thing is that all the fight was coming from them. Again, our county board are shown up to be a set of compliant dinosaurs. They do s.f.a. to fight for the development of games in our county beyond the minimum that allows them to get off the hook.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on May 17, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The sad thing is that all the fight was coming from them. Again, our county board are shown up to be a set of compliant dinosaurs. They do s.f.a. to fight for the development of games in our county beyond the minimum that allows them to get off the hook.
Nail on the head. No wonder lads like Pat and Cheddar get burnt out and browned off. Could you blame them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on May 17, 2018, 10:36:22 AM
Ok so Croke Park denied us funding but are Westmeath, Kerry and the other counties passing us out being bankrolled by Croke Park funding? No, I dont think they are.
However they seem to have hung onto the players who are in the 25-32 bracket more successfully than Laois have managed to. The mass retirements in lads in their prime has left a huge hole in the Laois panel and their isnt the depth in the county to fill it. Read back through any of the interviews they did after retiring and they pretty much all cited the huge demands of time and energy that they couldnt sustain. We tried bravely to bridge the gap to the A counties and fell on our own sword. All the funding in the world 3-4 years wouldnt have filled the gap left by the players who retired and are still good enough to be playing.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on May 17, 2018, 10:36:22 AM
Ok so Croke Park denied us funding but are Westmeath, Kerry and the other counties passing us out being bankrolled by Croke Park funding? No, I dont think they are.
However they seem to have hung onto the players who are in the 25-32 bracket more successfully than Laois have managed to. The mass retirements in lads in their prime has left a huge hole in the Laois panel and their isnt the depth in the county to fill it. Read back through any of the interviews they did after retiring and they pretty much all cited the huge demands of time and energy that they couldnt sustain. We tried bravely to bridge the gap to the A counties and fell on our own sword. All the funding in the world 3-4 years wouldnt have filled the gap left by the players who retired and are still good enough to be playing.
The funding wasnt to bridge that gap, it was to ensure that gap didn't happen again, and again, and again.
Kerry has greater funding than Laois, there's no comparison.
Westmeath have been doing well, credit to them, but I wouldn't say they've passed us out, we've dropped back as a result of the retirements, but 9 times out of 10, we'd expect to beat, them, and in recent years have.
But, you have pivoted the conversation, the recent defeat wasn't the fault of funding or otherwise. We're not discussing that. We're discussing how forward planning was denied, for no apparent reason. This is a thread about the future of Laois hurling, not the current state of our senior team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The reality is that they didn't have the full support of the County Board when they went looking for funding,it wouldn't be an understatement to say that they were nearly undermined by certain factions who had a different agenda for funding

Getting the Portlaoise debt sorted and accessing future funding for the C of E was more of a priority

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 11:11:15 AM
That was my point. Although I don't know the in's and out's of dealing with Croke Park I would have thought that any plans etc would have to come through official channels and therefore if the backing wasn't from within the CB then it wouldn't have a chance. I would assume the same would happen in any other county.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 11:21:49 AM
We had to go last year cap in hand to Martin Fogarty to get a minor hurling manager as no one wanted the job

what does that say about us as a hurling county

We need about 10 PC's and about 10 Cheddars in this county,where are they?

We played an u15 game Monday night and no one,refs or mentors knew whether it was 25 or 30 mins a side,even a simple thing like rules pertaining to that grade aren't circulated to the clubs at the start of the year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on May 17, 2018, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The reality is that they didn't have the full support of the County Board when they went looking for funding,it wouldn't be an understatement to say that they were nearly undermined by certain factions who had a different agenda for funding

Getting the Portlaoise debt sorted and accessing future funding for the C of E was more of a priority
Jaysus you have some chip on your shoulder when its comes to Portlaoise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 17, 2018, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 11:21:49 AM

We played an u15 game Monday night and no one,refs or mentors knew whether it was 25 or 30 mins a side,even a simple thing like rules pertaining to that grade aren't circulated to the clubs at the start of the year.

Is it any wonder young lads aren't really interested? Amateur is right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: portlaoisekid on May 17, 2018, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The reality is that they didn't have the full support of the County Board when they went looking for funding,it wouldn't be an understatement to say that they were nearly undermined by certain factions who had a different agenda for funding

Getting the Portlaoise debt sorted and accessing future funding for the C of E was more of a priority
Jaysus you have some chip on your shoulder when its comes to Portlaoise.

Call it what you want son but the reality is that a lot of the money that went into bailing your asses out should have been used for the benefit of laois as a whole.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on May 17, 2018, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 11:21:49 AM

We played an u15 game Monday night and no one,refs or mentors knew whether it was 25 or 30 mins a side,even a simple thing like rules pertaining to that grade aren't circulated to the clubs at the start of the year.

Is it any wonder young lads aren't really interested? Amateur is right.

Never mind the young lads,bad governance leads to loopholes being exploited,arguments before each game and mentors getting their fill of it and saying to hell with it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
Never mind the young lads,bad governance leads to loopholes being exploited,arguments before each game and mentors getting their fill of it and saying to hell with it.

There was an email send out this week from the County Board as regards the bad behavior of mentors Im not excusing it for a minute but there's huge frustration amongst mentors also

When at u13/u11

You have the larger clubs shuttling up and down players between A/B and C squads to suit the occasion against clubs with one team

1 if not 2 clubs bringing in players from outside the county to pad out an u11 team

One prominent hurling club blatantly playing 2 u13's in an u11 game recently

The shambles with refs not being appointed to ref all u11 games,instead mentors being left to red games which creates huge interest

No sanction being placed on a club where a historical pattern of bad behavior culminated with a Juvenile before the courts after an u16 game

I could go on,but why bother
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on May 17, 2018, 09:55:14 PM
Clonadmad, you seem to know a fierce amount about the goings on and emails within Laois GAA walls. You're hardly a GDA working for our county are you?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 17, 2018, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 06:25:07 PM


You have the larger clubs shuttling up and down players between A/B and C squads to suit the occasion against clubs with one team

1 if not 2 clubs bringing in players from outside the county to pad out an u11 team

One prominent hurling club blatantly playing 2 u13's in an u11 game recently


Name and shame!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2018, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Batman!!! on May 17, 2018, 09:55:14 PM
Clonadmad, you seem to know a fierce amount about the goings on and emails within Laois GAA walls. You're hardly a GDA working for our county are you?

That's one thing I'm most definitely not

There's emails sent out to clubs every Friday from the county board containing fixtures and any other issues,you don't have to be exactly a big wheel in any club to access them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2018, 08:46:34 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on May 17, 2018, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 06:25:07 PM


You have the larger clubs shuttling up and down players between A/B and C squads to suit the occasion against clubs with one team

1 if not 2 clubs bringing in players from outside the county to pad out an u11 team

One prominent hurling club blatantly playing 2 u13's in an u11 game recently


Name and shame!

Maybe if the County Board actually tightened and published the rules relating to these age groups it wouldn't give the more unscrupulous loopholes

If that happened then the CB should go to   Town with REgard to anyone caught breaking the rules,bad behavior shouldn't be allowed Trum p clubs that are doing things right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 18, 2018, 09:49:13 PM
Subtle :D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 19, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
Clough defeated Cullohill in the Div 1 Primary Schools Finals this week. Great to see two pretty rural schools doing so well.

Great credit also to Abbeyleix who won 3 Finals having qualified for 4. Their 3rd and 4th Class team beat Camross after extra time.

Seems to have been a lot of football area schools in finals too which is interesting.

LaoisToday are providing a great service. I hope it's sustainable in the long term because their volume of coverage is certainly making the Leinster Express up their online presence. Can only be a positive.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 19, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: merman on May 19, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
Clough defeated Cullohill in the Div 1 Primary Schools Finals this week. Great to see two pretty rural schools doing so well.

Great credit also to Abbeyleix who won 3 Finals having qualified for 4. Their 3rd and 4th Class team beat Camross after extra time.

Seems to have been a lot of football area schools in finals too which is interesting.

LaoisToday are providing a great service. I hope it's sustainable in the long term because their volume of coverage is certainly making the Leinster Express up their online presence. Can only be a positive.

I wouldn't read too much into football area schools or Portlaoise schools for that matter being in C na B finals as an indicator of kids playing hurling,in a lot of cases this would be the final time they would have a Hurley in their hand

Timahoe Ns beaten in a final,panel of 15/16,3 playing hurling with a club
Ballyadams Ns beaten in a final,panel of 12/13,3 or 4 at most playing hurling with a club
Ratheniska Ns won a camogie final,panel of 20 odd,3 playing camogie
Holy Family Ns won a hurling final,20 odd on a panel,4/5 playing with a club.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 20, 2018, 11:09:29 PM
Tough day for the minors on Saturday.

Well beaten by a superior Dublin team in fairness. Were any of the Dubs under 6 ft? Huge team that could play a bit too.

I must say I admire the effort of this group of lads and the Dubs didn't get very many easy scores (apart from some silly frees). Overall, the scoreline really didn't do justice to their efforts. We missed at least 3 decent goal chances and several good point-scoring chances. Still, even if everything had gone right, we wouldn't have had enough for a very strong Dublin team.

There were a lot of silly frees conceded again on Saturday, which is something to be worked on. They need to keep up the aggression without conceding the frees.

Hard to take a defeat like that but still there are some decent players coming through.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 21, 2018, 11:56:07 AM
Very touch to be well beaten like that. It is good to hear that they continued to battle and didn't lie down. If we can continue to get 2 or 3 players from each minor team it is a good outcome.
They have another game in this stage and then it will be knockout from the quarters. Things change.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 23, 2018, 11:01:49 AM
U21's out against Dublin on Saturday. I assume any of the lads involved with the seniors won't be considered. Bit pointless having it right in the middle of the competition particularly for smaller counties like Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 23, 2018, 03:09:37 PM
Minor hurlers also out Friday evening at 7pm in O'Moore PArk. What's the story with Camross, not one on the starting 15!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 23, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 23, 2018, 11:01:49 AM
U21's out against Dublin on Saturday. I assume any of the lads involved with the seniors won't be considered. Bit pointless having it right in the middle of the competition particularly for smaller counties like Laois.

All senior lads will be starting.

Tough draw getting Dublin; this team have actually put in a decent shift and should be competitive. Gave Offaly a solid beating last week.

Hard to see them toppling the Dubs mind....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 24, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
I see too where Fergals won the Juv hurling c but Mountrath CS were beaten in the b final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 26, 2018, 03:20:01 PM
Sounds like the minors gave a good account of themselves again. Was anyone here at it?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on May 26, 2018, 07:05:34 PM
Was in o moore park today watching our u 21s vs Dublin. It was a committed performance  that in the end was exloited by the dubs .But some harrowing facts in relation to the development stages and our underage squads
1. Physical presence
2. Coaching standards
3. Desire (players and management)
4. Long term goals. (How can they be achieved)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 26, 2018, 07:16:01 PM
In nearly every position the Dublin player was way bigger than his Laois counterpart.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on May 27, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 26, 2018, 07:16:01 PM
In nearly every position the Dublin player was way bigger than his Laois counterpart.

Ive said it before, we are 10 years behind some other counties. every "top" county have a winter physical development programme for all their underage teams from u13 up. We started this with our u13 group last October/November but at a very basic level I believe. Supposed to be setting up the same for the other teams this coming winter, but loads of other teams have been doing this for years!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on May 28, 2018, 04:55:08 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on May 27, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on May 26, 2018, 07:16:01 PM
In nearly every position the Dublin player was way bigger than his Laois counterpart.

Ive said it before, we are 10 years behind some other counties. every “top” county have a winter physical development programme for all their underage teams from u13 up. We started this with our u13 group last October/November but at a very basic level I believe. Supposed to be setting up the same for the other teams this coming winter, but loads of other teams have been doing this for years!
Quote from: Tobias on October 27, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 30, 2018, 04:24:40 PM
It's no coincidence that both Cheddar and Zoom were involved in managing county teams during our relative success at senior and minor. At minor we beat Wexford and Offaly and ran KK close.

These men have to remain involved and given every help possible as I have no doubt they would eventually bring success
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on June 16, 2018, 04:01:37 PM
https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/1007976037945413632

Leinster Minor Hurling Q/final  (2nd half, 64min) Laois 1-14 (17) Offaly 2-19 (25)
All over hard luck lads.

WTF?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 16, 2018, 04:18:20 PM
Oh dear. Back to the second tier next year now, I presume?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on June 16, 2018, 05:15:23 PM
Thats a big setback again. How were we led to believe that this squad was the best prepared team we have produced in a while from the rumblings here. And to go through the season as not winning a competitive game, albeit they were competing in Tier 1. How was that experience of playing in that level not utilised today to beat a Tier 2 team in Offaly. Questions need to be answered in that context i feel. On a development note, what has the county set in place for these players now with respect to improving them as players and coaching and overall athletic development. Are we continually going to run a 6 month cycle, where no development would be made outside of that 6 months. No monitoring off the field in relation to development.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 16, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: mountrath1 on June 16, 2018, 05:15:23 PM
Thats a big setback again. How were we led to believe that this squad was the best prepared team we have produced in a while from the rumblings here. And to go through the season as not winning a competitive game, albeit they were competing in Tier 1. How was that experience of playing in that level not utilised today to beat a Tier 2 team in Offaly. Questions need to be answered in that context i feel. On a development note, what has the county set in place for these players now with respect to improving them as players and coaching and overall athletic development. Are we continually going to run a 6 month cycle, where no development would be made outside of that 6 months. No monitoring off the field in relation to development.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Who led us to believe this was a team that were expected to do well? This team was always going to struggle as they did at U14/15/16 level. There is a few decent lads on it and they did really well against Wexford. The teams coming after them did better in the various tournaments and more is expected. I agree with your general points though - not enough development work by a long shot.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on June 16, 2018, 11:48:06 PM
Mountrath1 makes a very good point. These lads are 17 and the county is finished with them until u20/u21. How will this help them develop? At the very least the LCB should have scholarship for any player playing Fresher or Fitzgibbin hurling at 3rd level. These players need to be developed. They might not all make the top grade but their continued improvement would help add depth to a very shallow pool of talent at senior level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on June 18, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Laois GAA Executive has tonight put in place a selection committee who are tasked with recommending a new Laois Senior Hurling Manager . The committee comprises of 1. Eamon Jackman Ballinakill 2. Nial Rigney Portlaoise 3.Declan Conroy Rosenalis. We wish them the best of Luck
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 19, 2018, 09:37:20 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 18, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Laois GAA Executive has tonight put in place a selection committee who are tasked with recommending a new Laois Senior Hurling Manager . The committee comprises of 1. Eamon Jackman Ballinakill 2. Nial Rigney Portlaoise 3.Declan Conroy Rosenalis. We wish them the best of Luck

3 good men.
BUT why is there never a rep of CLG Laois (Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer) also on the committee?
Is it an effort to distance themselves from an appointment if it goes tits up?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on June 25, 2018, 12:55:15 PM
I wonder if Derek McGrath would be an option for senior manager. He turned out Waterford with a very definite plan(sweeper, short passing game) seems to have developed a bit of depth in Waterford too. Might suit our lads to have a bit more structure to their game. He probably wouldn't want it but no harm in asking
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on June 25, 2018, 01:30:34 PM
Quote from: Jd on June 25, 2018, 12:55:15 PM
I wonder if Derek McGrath would be an option for senior manager. He turned out Waterford with a very definite plan(sweeper, short passing game) seems to have developed a bit of depth in Waterford too. Might suit our lads to have a bit more structure to their game. He probably wouldn't want it but no harm in asking

He'd be an excellent option but it's completely unrealistic.

I'd be amazed if the next Laois manager was anyone but Arien Delaney.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 25, 2018, 01:34:58 PM
McGrath is not going to happen and realistically the man appears burnt out. Hard to see him summoning the energy to do what he did in Waterford with Laois.
Also, we'd have county board meetings and online forums calling for his head for daring to use a sweeper!!

Arien Delaney would be a good option. He cares. I wouldn't see it as a done deal however, from either party!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 25, 2018, 02:07:38 PM
Quote from: Jd on June 25, 2018, 12:55:15 PM
I wonder if Derek McGrath would be an option for senior manager. He turned out Waterford with a very definite plan(sweeper, short passing game) seems to have developed a bit of depth in Waterford too. Might suit our lads to have a bit more structure to their game. He probably wouldn't want it but no harm in asking
A few boys on here lost their shit when Cheddar played a sweeper. I don't theyd approve of a gent like Derek.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on June 25, 2018, 03:02:34 PM
Ken Hogan?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 25, 2018, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 25, 2018, 03:02:34 PM
Ken Hogan?
f**k no
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on June 25, 2018, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 25, 2018, 05:12:01 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 25, 2018, 03:02:34 PM
Ken Hogan?
f**k no
I'm guessing that you're not a fan?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 25, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
Realistically we are not going to get an proven name, unless they are here for a pay cheque. We are not a safe bet to maintain their reputation and there is no evidence (underage, club etc) to suggest we are about to improve.
McGrath, Hogan, Tommy Dunne, Daly etc won't be coming here.

We have three choices;

1) A local- Delaney, Rigney, Cuddy, O' Sullivan

2) A journeyman- Eamon Kelly, Fintan O' Connor, Colm Bonnar, Kevin Ryan et al

3) An up and coming- Hard to find! Usually would be someone from an established hurling county who wants to make a name for himself.  Somebody involved in the club/third level scene. Very hard to get one of these who isn't an early entry into category two above.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on June 26, 2018, 08:37:42 AM
Harsh on Bonnar. He has brought Carlow on a lot. All outside managers are not journeymen. Sometimes players just dont buy into what they are doing. Michael Ryan has also done very well with Westmeath. In fact all of Carlow, Westmeath and Kerry beat us with 'journeymen' outside managers. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on June 26, 2018, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on June 25, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
Realistically we are not going to get an proven name, unless they are here for a pay cheque. We are not a safe bet to maintain their reputation and there is no evidence (underage, club etc) to suggest we are about to improve.
McGrath, Hogan, Tommy Dunne, Daly etc won't be coming here.

We have three choices;

1) A local- Delaney, Rigney, Cuddy, O' Sullivan

2) A journeyman- Eamon Kelly, Fintan O' Connor, Colm Bonnar, Kevin Ryan et al

3) An up and coming- Hard to find! Usually would be someone from an established hurling county who wants to make a name for himself.  Somebody involved in the club/third level scene. Very hard to get one of these who isn't an early entry into category two above.
I'd like to see us have a go at a category 3 guy.
Jamie Wall is very impressive. He's the Cork guy who's wheelchair bound after a freak spinal infection. Only mid 20's. Would be a left field shout if we went for him.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 26, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on June 25, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
Realistically we are not going to get an proven name, unless they are here for a pay cheque. We are not a safe bet to maintain their reputation and there is no evidence (underage, club etc) to suggest we are about to improve.
McGrath, Hogan, Tommy Dunne, Daly etc won't be coming here.

We have three choices;

1) A local- Delaney, Rigney, Cuddy, O' Sullivan

2) A journeyman- Eamon Kelly, Fintan O' Connor, Colm Bonnar, Kevin Ryan et al

3) An up and coming- Hard to find! Usually would be someone from an established hurling county who wants to make a name for himself.  Somebody involved in the club/third level scene. Very hard to get one of these who isn't an early entry into category two above.

The closest to a Cheddar character would probably be Arien Delaney. Someone who is invested in the county and knows the club scene inside out. He also got the most out of Camross during his time there so knows how to have a team prepared. I often felt Camross beat many teams that had better hurlers because of how they were set up and approached matches.

Again - it is still not the most important thing. Who is being given the job of looking after our underage development? This is far more critical to our future. The primary goal of our clubs and hurling board should be to get Laois competitive against top teams in Feiles and the other juvenile competitions. Except for the occasional win (last years U14s for example) we are well off the pace.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 26, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on June 26, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on June 25, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
Realistically we are not going to get an proven name, unless they are here for a pay cheque. We are not a safe bet to maintain their reputation and there is no evidence (underage, club etc) to suggest we are about to improve.
McGrath, Hogan, Tommy Dunne, Daly etc won't be coming here.

We have three choices;

1) A local- Delaney, Rigney, Cuddy, O' Sullivan

2) A journeyman- Eamon Kelly, Fintan O' Connor, Colm Bonnar, Kevin Ryan et al

3) An up and coming- Hard to find! Usually would be someone from an established hurling county who wants to make a name for himself.  Somebody involved in the club/third level scene. Very hard to get one of these who isn't an early entry into category two above.

The closest to a Cheddar character would probably be Arien Delaney. Someone who is invested in the county and knows the club scene inside out. He also got the most out of Camross during his time there so knows how to have a team prepared. I often felt Camross beat many teams that had better hurlers because of how they were set up and approached matches.

Again - it is still not the most important thing. Who is being given the job of looking after our underage development? This is far more critical to our future. The primary goal of our clubs and hurling board should be to get Laois competitive against top teams in Feiles and the other juvenile competitions. Except for the occasional win (last years U14s for example) we are well off the pace.

Rosenallis won feile div2 last year
Abbeyleix won feile div2 in 2016
Castletown made the div2 semifinals this year

Laois clubs have been consistently competitive across the divisions in feile in the past few years

We can more than hold our own in Juvenile club competitions,where we fall down is that we lack the depth and spread of clubs producing hurlers in inter county competitions,until we have a minimum of 12/14 hurling clubs pushing 2/3 high standard hurlers into Juvenile development squads,we are only threading water.

Also a county wide Juvenile club S+C program needs to be put in place and adhered to,we are so far behind,it's frightening
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 26, 2018, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on June 26, 2018, 08:37:42 AM
Harsh on Bonnar. He has brought Carlow on a lot. All outside managers are not journeymen. Sometimes players just dont buy into what they are doing. Michael Ryan has also done very well with Westmeath. In fact all of Carlow, Westmeath and Kerry beat us with 'journeymen' outside managers.

I never said they all were. I certainly never said Michael Ryan was!
I stand by my assessment of Bonnar.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 26, 2018, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 26, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
Rosenallis won feile div2 last year
Abbeyleix won feile div2 in 2016
Castletown made the div2 semifinals this year

Laois clubs have been consistently competitive across the divisions in feile in the past few years


This might matter if these players come through in 4/5 years. It's hardly going to attract Derek McGrath this year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 26, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on June 26, 2018, 03:28:54 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 26, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
Rosenallis won feile div2 last year
Abbeyleix won feile div2 in 2016
Castletown made the div2 semifinals this year

Laois clubs have been consistently competitive across the divisions in feile in the past few years


This might matter if these players come through in 4/5 years. It's hardly going to attract Derek McGrath this year?

My comment was in relation to blue and whites comments about our performances in feile.

Also Derek McGrath ain't coming,dream all you want but no outsider of substance is going to tarnish their reputation by taking on this role.

Give the Job to Delaney and get programs in place now for 2019
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on June 26, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
Heard something about Delaney bringing in Johnny Kelly as coach with him if he gets the job, that would be good, he has good experience and a good track record. Anyone hear that? These days your coaching staff is as important as the manager, as far as i know Eamonn Kelly did no coaching! I believe Davy Hogan was well liked this year he might stay on if asked? Jamie Wall would be great too if he'd do it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on June 26, 2018, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on June 26, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
Heard something about Delaney bringing in Johnny Kelly as coach with him if he gets the job, that would be good, he has good experience and a good track record. Anyone hear that? These days your coaching staff is as important as the manager, as far as i know Eamonn Kelly did no coaching! I believe Davy Hogan was well liked this year he might stay on if asked? Jamie Wall would be great too if he'd do it.

I've heard Arien is extremely interested and has already sounded out a possible backroom team.

If true, he's obviously gotten encouragement from someone on the selection committee or the County Board.

He's the outstanding candidate as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know Davy Hogan but I'd prefer a clean break from last year. The players liking him isn't a particularly strong vote of confidence in my books.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 26, 2018, 10:31:00 PM
To you lads who know what's going on in hurling circles would Delaney be a good appointment  for Laois hurling. Would the clubs be happy with his appointment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 26, 2018, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on June 26, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
Heard something about Delaney bringing in Johnny Kelly as coach with him if he gets the job, that would be good, he has good experience and a good track record. Anyone hear that? These days your coaching staff is as important as the manager, as far as i know Eamonn Kelly did no coaching! I believe Davy Hogan was well liked this year he might stay on if asked? Jamie Wall would be great too if he'd do it.

Johnny Kelly would be a good outside coach to have involved,a promising galway career wrecked by shoulder injury,managed Portumna to their last all ireland,involved since with the likes of the Galway u21's and Borrisoleigh,big emphasis with him on getting the defensive set up right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 27, 2018, 03:16:48 PM
u17 game called off last night by the Ref,with 5 mins to go.

he had spoken to a spectator earlier in the first half,but with 5 mins to go,pulled the game
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 27, 2018, 03:44:09 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 27, 2018, 03:16:48 PM
u17 game called off last night by the Ref,with 5 mins to go.

he had spoken to a spectator earlier in the first half,but with 5 mins to go,pulled the game
Why did he pull the game? What happened?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 28, 2018, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 27, 2018, 03:16:48 PM
u17 game called off last night by the Ref,with 5 mins to go.

he had spoken to a spectator earlier in the first half,but with 5 mins to go,pulled the game

I don't know what happened but that particular ref behaves in a manner that is eventually going to provoke somebody into something very serious
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on June 28, 2018, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on June 26, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
Heard something about Delaney bringing in Johnny Kelly as coach with him if he gets the job, that would be good, he has good experience and a good track record.


If true, would be a popular choice within the county. We need to bring in someone who would be invested in the job and willing to build things long term. Naming lads like Jamie Wall doesn't appeal to me. Needs to prove himself a lot more than managing a stacked university team. Next appointment is  too big to get wrong-I don't want to see the wrong appointment made and Laois end up playing Christy Ring come 2020 as a consequence.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on June 28, 2018, 05:35:31 PM
Have to agree. It's time to get someone back to manage us that is invested in Laois hurling and no time for an outside manager for short term gain.
Delaney fits that profile perfectly .
I think though the bigger picture of Laois hurling has to be looked at because no senior manager is going to change our structures for younger talent and thats where our biggest challenge lies. If we could get Cheddar back for that role along with Delaney it would imo be like Laois hurling winning the lotto.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on June 28, 2018, 06:56:02 PM
I think its a great time for any manager to come on board. The only way is up. This team were badly managed and under performed as a result, any manager worth their salt should be able to get the lads motivated and committed again, play some good hurling, not afraid to go out and attack and have a go, and use their heads and the ball better, and we'll be in croker next year for a McDonagh Cup final.
As for our underage structures, remember that great document that was produced after our strategic review? I would say there is many deadlines for recommended actions passed already, i would say f**k all has been done since. Whos supposed to be overseeing the implementation of that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on June 28, 2018, 09:35:29 PM
I'm sure as Finbar says the only way is up for any new manager but if that's the limit of our ambition were still on the same road.
Arien couldn't perform miracles but would hopefully get most of our best players playing.
I still think the bigger picture lies away from the senior squad   .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on June 29, 2018, 11:27:43 AM
100% agree our development squad set up needs a serious upgrade. Again, implementing the actions from the stratigic review would be a start.
And im not saying a McDonagh Cup final is the limit of our ambitions but short term it has to be the minimum we're aiming for.
Look at the farce of a situation we have for the final on Sunday, its on at the same time as the munster final. The Gaa dont give shite about it or the counties in it. Look at the carry on with Kildare footballers! Same with the Kildare hurlers, winning a Christy Ring and their prize is a relegation match with Antrim! Its a joke, its like the Gaa are doing their best to discourage the weaker teams instead of doing the complete opposite like they should be.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 29, 2018, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on June 28, 2018, 06:56:02 PM
I think its a great time for any manager to come on board. The only way is up. This team were badly managed and under performed as a result, any manager worth their salt should be able to get the lads motivated and committed again, play some good hurling, not afraid to go out and attack and have a go, and use their heads and the ball better, and we'll be in croker next year for a McDonagh Cup final.
As for our underage structures, remember that great document that was produced after our strategic review? I would say there is many deadlines for recommended actions passed already, i would say f**k all has been done since. Whos supposed to be overseeing the implementation of that?

1 deadline passed already,that of employing a Coaching and Games Development Manager to oversee all activities in the county

deadline 31/03/18
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 29, 2018, 11:50:14 PM
2 things.

1. Is that Strategic Review document available online?

2. There's a former Laois U21 manager who already has a working relationship with Johnny Kelly.....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on June 30, 2018, 08:56:42 AM
https://www.scribd.com/document/368776002/Laois-Gaa-Strategy-and-Action-Plan-2018-2020#from_embed

Link in that I think for strategic plan
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 30, 2018, 01:01:51 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/tv/

Celtic Challenge finals being shown live

Laois on later this afternoon
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on June 30, 2018, 04:29:10 PM
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/joe-mcdonagh-cup-kildare-antrim-players-391883?fb
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 30, 2018, 08:46:50 PM
Laois u14s played Wexford u14's  in Ferns today

Both A and B teams on the end of absolute hidings
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 30, 2018, 09:51:29 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 30, 2018, 01:01:51 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/tv/

Celtic Challenge finals being shown live

Laois on later this afternoon

Laois beat Antrim in their final - was it the Division 4 final? Out of five divisions? With Derry winning the one above us?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on July 03, 2018, 04:48:53 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 30, 2018, 09:51:29 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 30, 2018, 01:01:51 PM
http://www.punditarena.com/tv/

Celtic Challenge finals being shown live

Laois on later this afternoon

Laois beat Antrim in their final - was it the Division 4 final? Out of five divisions? With Derry winning the one above us?!

Think so a win is a win but the standard was very poor compare to the division 2 final i saw!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mossy Bruce on July 16, 2018, 05:42:49 PM
Any news on the selecting of a new manager--or on implementing any long-term plans for hurling in Laois?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 16, 2018, 05:48:26 PM
Quote from: Mossy Bruce on July 16, 2018, 05:42:49 PM
Any news on the selecting of a new manager--or on implementing any long-term plans for hurling in Laois?

There's a long term plan for hurling in Laois??????
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 25, 2018, 03:36:02 PM
U15 hurlers in the final of Arrabawn at 3.30 against Waterford after beating Wex in semi.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Chrimtain on August 25, 2018, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on August 25, 2018, 03:36:02 PM
U15 hurlers in the final of Arrabawn at 3.30 against Waterford after beating Wex in semi.

How strong was the Wexford team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Chrimtain on August 25, 2018, 05:18:01 PM
I see that they beat Waterford in the final. We have seen results like this before only to find out later that Laois were playing against B teams.

Nonetheless, they are great results.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on August 25, 2018, 06:18:45 PM
All A teams.

Great result.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on August 25, 2018, 07:29:00 PM

If I'm not mistaken, it was the Under 15 A shield final which is a good achievement but should be treated with caution.  One way or another, it is one of the best crop of players in a while. If every Laois team was as good as this, we would be on our way.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 25, 2018, 08:18:57 PM
Waterford beat KK in the semi. Fantastic achievement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 27, 2018, 02:51:28 PM
Laois U14s also very competitive in Foristal. Beat Limerick, narrowly beaten by Wexford and then well beaten by Clare I think in final game.

Encouraging all the same.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 27, 2018, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on August 27, 2018, 02:51:28 PM
Laois U14s also very competitive in Foristal. Beat Limerick, narrowly beaten by Wexford and then well beaten by Clare I think in final game.

Encouraging all the same.
Hammered by Cork, but that is liable to happen against a side like Cork in the final game of a long day. A numbers game comes into play.

U14B's beaten in Shield Final by Carlows first side also. Not a bad showing there either, Carlow had a full panel, as opposed to our second string.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 27, 2018, 03:36:58 PM
Great credit to u15 A hurlers winning the shield in Cashel, in the A beating the likes of Wexford and Waterford,the mentors over them have an extremely tight group and have taken ownership of that group and have driven on with them

The U14' A team missed a penalty and 5/6 very scorable chances in a game they could and should have won,still a massive improvement on the hockeying they received from the same Wexford team about 6 weeks back.

A last minute goal saw them over the line against Limerick and it was a well deserved win

Cork were the favorites to win it out and so it was proved,all huge young lads and depth in the panel


the Laois Team that took place in the C competition (they didnt qualify for the Forristal B,Westmeath won the qualifying competition in the CoE 2 saturdays ago),played and bet the likes of Down Derry and were well beaten by Meath,they lost to a well drilled Carlow team in the shield C final,easy to be critical,but if we had played our keeper in the goals, we would have been closer.

From looking at these games

2 things stand out

Firstly we don't have the support teams that nearly every other team we face has.

We are lacking in both fitness and athletic development.





Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on August 27, 2018, 07:13:23 PM
How would you suggest addressing the athletic development issue ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 27, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on August 27, 2018, 07:13:23 PM
How would you suggest addressing the athletic development issue ?
Laps
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on August 27, 2018, 09:58:29 PM
We still have absolutely no co ordinated plan/ strategy or structures in place for our underage set up, it's putting different people in each year and turn up Saturday morning to training, no s&c programme coaching pathway.
The set up cork/ limerick/ Tipp/ Kilkenny have or had is what we should be copying, our GDA's are doing good work but are over stretched, too much left to them.
Need to address this to make any real progress.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 27, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 27, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on August 27, 2018, 07:13:23 PM
How would you suggest addressing the athletic development issue ?
Laps

We have no structure or Co-ordinated plan,we are  a long way behind the big and even medium  guns so we need to work smart and hard to catch up

We have 16 u15 hurling teams with roughly 300 players in total

Here's my plan October to March

Friday/Saturday evening hire a sizeable sports hall or school hall in laois

Week 1
Get 2 clubs full u15 panels in both the Friday and Saturday nights with mentors,go through and show the requirements needed,these go home and do the 3 weeks program as set out by the GDA's/S&C person

Week 2 next 4 clubs,Week 3 next 4 clubs,Week 4 next 4 clubs

Week 1 clubs come back in Week 5 for an assessment of where they are and what tweaks/adjustments need to be put in place.

They then come back in Week 9/13/17

GDA's should be on hand to visit clubs when they are doing their 3 week "home" cycle if at all possible

I look forward to Ye ripping it to shreds.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on August 28, 2018, 09:55:59 AM
I have no problem with that suggestion clonadmad. Well thought-out and crucially, not hugely expensive or demanding too much of too few.

We spend a lot of time criticising the County Board and I suppose, by extension perhaps, the Laois GDAs.

What we really need is the clubs taking ownership of their player development. They should be pushing for a plan like clonadmad is suggesting. Look to adapt it across their juvenile structures.

There are definite flickers of hope that some clubs have woken up to this.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 28, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 27, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 27, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on August 27, 2018, 07:13:23 PM
How would you suggest addressing the athletic development issue ?
Laps

We have no structure or Co-ordinated plan,we are  a long way behind the big and even medium  guns so we need to work smart and hard to catch up

We have 16 u15 hurling teams with roughly 300 players in total

Here's my plan October to March

Friday/Saturday evening hire a sizeable sports hall or school hall in laois

Week 1
Get 2 clubs full u15 panels in both the Friday and Saturday nights with mentors,go through and show the requirements needed,these go home and do the 3 weeks program as set out by the GDA's/S&C person

Week 2 next 4 clubs,Week 3 next 4 clubs,Week 4 next 4 clubs

Week 1 clubs come back in Week 5 for an assessment of where they are and what tweaks/adjustments need to be put in place.

They then come back in Week 9/13/17

GDA's should be on hand to visit clubs when they are doing their 3 week "home" cycle if at all possible

I look forward to Ye ripping it to shreds.


Not the worst idea I have ever heard but should be applied to both football and hurling
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on August 28, 2018, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 27, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 27, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on August 27, 2018, 07:13:23 PM
How would you suggest addressing the athletic development issue ?
Laps

We have no structure or Co-ordinated plan,we are  a long way behind the big and even medium  guns so we need to work smart and hard to catch up

We have 16 u15 hurling teams with roughly 300 players in total

Here's my plan October to March

Friday/Saturday evening hire a sizeable sports hall or school hall in laois

Week 1
Get 2 clubs full u15 panels in both the Friday and Saturday nights with mentors,go through and show the requirements needed,these go home and do the 3 weeks program as set out by the GDA's/S&C person

Week 2 next 4 clubs,Week 3 next 4 clubs,Week 4 next 4 clubs

Week 1 clubs come back in Week 5 for an assessment of where they are and what tweaks/adjustments need to be put in place.

They then come back in Week 9/13/17

GDA's should be on hand to visit clubs when they are doing their 3 week "home" cycle if at all possible

I look forward to Ye ripping it to shreds.
Excellent idea. I seriously recommend that you email that to the county board.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2018, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on August 28, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 27, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 27, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on August 27, 2018, 07:13:23 PM
How would you suggest addressing the athletic development issue ?
Laps

We have no structure or Co-ordinated plan,we are  a long way behind the big and even medium  guns so we need to work smart and hard to catch up

We have 16 u15 hurling teams with roughly 300 players in total

Here's my plan October to March

Friday/Saturday evening hire a sizeable sports hall or school hall in laois

Week 1
Get 2 clubs full u15 panels in both the Friday and Saturday nights with mentors,go through and show the requirements needed,these go home and do the 3 weeks program as set out by the GDA's/S&C person

Week 2 next 4 clubs,Week 3 next 4 clubs,Week 4 next 4 clubs

Week 1 clubs come back in Week 5 for an assessment of where they are and what tweaks/adjustments need to be put in place.

They then come back in Week 9/13/17

GDA's should be on hand to visit clubs when they are doing their 3 week "home" cycle if at all possible

I look forward to Ye ripping it to shreds.


Not the worst idea I have ever heard but should be applied to both football and hurling

You'd have crossover already with a certain amount of footballers on hurling teams

But,yes it could and should be rolled out to cover all u15's
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on August 28, 2018, 12:24:16 PM
From reading a lot about Limericks underage academy, led by Joe McKenna & Gerry McManus you can see the detail & efforts they have gone to,

Same with Kilkenny, who are excellent at upskilling coaches and giving kids & parents something to belong to & want to be part of, their s&c programme led by Sean Kelly for all of the kids from u14 upwards,

Cork also, as said earlier here their set up is miles ahead as can be seen from last weekend with their s&c coaches & hurling coaches with the u14s,
We have to have a plan!! Otherwise it's just a wish!!

at the National Coaching conference this year Brian Cuthnert have a presentation on a great plan about implementing the acadamey through secondary schools have a look below


https://youtu.be/ZLlu4F-Lhcw


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 28, 2018, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Ogie on August 28, 2018, 12:24:16 PM
From reading a lot about Limericks underage academy, led by Joe McKenna & Gerry McManus you can see the detail & efforts they have gone to,

Same with Kilkenny, who are excellent at upskilling coaches and giving kids & parents something to belong to & want to be part of, their s&c programme led by Sean Kelly for all of the kids from u14 upwards,

Cork also, as said earlier here their set up is miles ahead as can be seen from last weekend with their s&c coaches & hurling coaches with the u14s,
We have to have a plan!! Otherwise it's just a wish!!

at the National Coaching conference this year Brian Cuthnert have a presentation on a great plan about implementing the acadamey through secondary schools have a look below


https://youtu.be/ZLlu4F-Lhcw

We have beaten Limerick in each of the last two Tony Forristals. There's obviously some good work being done.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2018, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2018, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Ogie on August 28, 2018, 12:24:16 PM
From reading a lot about Limericks underage academy, led by Joe McKenna & Gerry McManus you can see the detail & efforts they have gone to,

Same with Kilkenny, who are excellent at upskilling coaches and giving kids & parents something to belong to & want to be part of, their s&c programme led by Sean Kelly for all of the kids from u14 upwards,

Cork also, as said earlier here their set up is miles ahead as can be seen from last weekend with their s&c coaches & hurling coaches with the u14s,
We have to have a plan!! Otherwise it's just a wish!!

at the National Coaching conference this year Brian Cuthnert have a presentation on a great plan about implementing the acadamey through secondary schools have a look below


https://youtu.be/ZLlu4F-Lhcw

We have beaten Limerick in each of the last two Tony Forristals. There's obviously some good work being done.

I'm not for a minute being critical of the coaches there at the minute,Zoom

In fact I'm the opposite

I want to deepen the number of options the mentors can choose and improve everyone that picks up a Hurley at u15 in this county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on August 28, 2018, 03:06:54 PM
Those Tipp, Limerick, Cork teams etc will reconvene in November and follow a 12-14 week s&c programme before beginning training 2-3 times a week next year, our lads won't have that continuity
It will be meet up again next spring for an hour of a Saturday.

We have no overarching plans to bring a groups through improving them all the time
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 28, 2018, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ogie on August 28, 2018, 03:06:54 PM
Those Tipp, Limerick, Cork teams etc will reconvene in November and follow a 12-14 week s&c programme before beginning training 2-3 times a week next year, our lads won't have that continuity
It will be meet up again next spring for an hour of a Saturday.

We have no overarching plans to bring a groups through improving them all the time

Me and my three sisters are at an age where, between us, we have four teenage sons and two twelve year olds all of whom play hurling. Three of the boys are currently on development squads so basically we're on the road the whole time and I see first hand a lot of what's going on. Last year, The U14s did 8 weeks of S+C work in Heywood before Christmas and 8 after Christmas (as U15s). That's a bit more than "meeting up next spring for an hour". The current 15 year olds are an excellent group, both the players and management. Their results and progress are of the highest order. This year's 14s mentors carried 48 at any one time. Overall, between injuries, call ups etc over 50 players were involved in a county set up. They all improved dramatically and they were very competitive in their games. All players, including the very weakest, were treated very fairly and got lots of game time each day.

Our biggest problems i think are:

1. Our playing population is just too small. Contrast our numbers with Tipp, Cork and Galway.

2. Dual issue. While players are encouraged to play both the simple fact of the matter is you can't be a top level hurler if you're equally committed to anything else.

3. Our Secondary Schools are just not operating at a high enough level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2018, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2018, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ogie on August 28, 2018, 03:06:54 PM
Those Tipp, Limerick, Cork teams etc will reconvene in November and follow a 12-14 week s&c programme before beginning training 2-3 times a week next year, our lads won't have that continuity
It will be meet up again next spring for an hour of a Saturday.

We have no overarching plans to bring a groups through improving them all the time

Me and my three sisters are at an age where, between us, we have four teenage sons and two twelve year olds all of whom play hurling. Three of the boys are currently on development squads so basically we're on the road the whole time and I see first hand a lot of what's going on. Last year, The U14s did 8 weeks of S+C work in Heywood before Christmas and 8 after Christmas (as U15s). That's a bit more than "meeting up next spring for an hour". The current 15 year olds are an excellent group, both the players and management. Their results and progress are of the highest order. This year's 14s mentors carried 48 at any one time. Overall, between injuries, call ups etc over 50 players were involved in a county set up. They all improved dramatically and they were very competitive in their games. All players, including the very weakest, were treated very fairly and got lots of game time each day.

Our biggest problems i think are:

1. Our playing population is just too small. Contrast our numbers with Tipp, Cork and Galway.

2. Dual issue. While players are encouraged to play both the simple fact of the matter is you can't be a top level hurler if you're equally committed to anything else.

3. Our Secondary Schools are just not operating at a high enough level.

Zoom while I agree with you on the u15's in terms of players and mentors,the one issue I would have is that didn't run trials for anyone outside the group this year or last.

The 3 points that you have raised are correct,how would you overcome or try and bridge the gap?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 28, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 28, 2018, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2018, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ogie on August 28, 2018, 03:06:54 PM
Those Tipp, Limerick, Cork teams etc will reconvene in November and follow a 12-14 week s&c programme before beginning training 2-3 times a week next year, our lads won't have that continuity
It will be meet up again next spring for an hour of a Saturday.

We have no overarching plans to bring a groups through improving them all the time

Me and my three sisters are at an age where, between us, we have four teenage sons and two twelve year olds all of whom play hurling. Three of the boys are currently on development squads so basically we're on the road the whole time and I see first hand a lot of what's going on. Last year, The U14s did 8 weeks of S+C work in Heywood before Christmas and 8 after Christmas (as U15s). That's a bit more than "meeting up next spring for an hour". The current 15 year olds are an excellent group, both the players and management. Their results and progress are of the highest order. This year's 14s mentors carried 48 at any one time. Overall, between injuries, call ups etc over 50 players were involved in a county set up. They all improved dramatically and they were very competitive in their games. All players, including the very weakest, were treated very fairly and got lots of game time each day.

Our biggest problems i think are:

1. Our playing population is just too small. Contrast our numbers with Tipp, Cork and Galway.

2. Dual issue. While players are encouraged to play both the simple fact of the matter is you can't be a top level hurler if you're equally committed to anything else.

3. Our Secondary Schools are just not operating at a high enough level.

Zoom while I agree with you on the u15's in terms of players and mentors,the one issue I would have is that didn't run trials for anyone outside the group this year or last.

The 3 points that you have raised are correct,how would you overcome or try and bridge the gap?

Nothing can be done about point one and very little can be done about point two as we are a genuine dual county. I'm not in favour of making lads choose too early. Point three is the one where we can make an impact. It will  need serious planning though as a number of our schools simply don't have enough interest in or backing for GAA
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on August 29, 2018, 10:54:32 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 28, 2018, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2018, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ogie on August 28, 2018, 03:06:54 PM
Those Tipp, Limerick, Cork teams etc will reconvene in November and follow a 12-14 week s&c programme before beginning training 2-3 times a week next year, our lads won't have that continuity
It will be meet up again next spring for an hour of a Saturday.

We have no overarching plans to bring a groups through improving them all the time

Me and my three sisters are at an age where, between us, we have four teenage sons and two twelve year olds all of whom play hurling. Three of the boys are currently on development squads so basically we're on the road the whole time and I see first hand a lot of what's going on. Last year, The U14s did 8 weeks of S+C work in Heywood before Christmas and 8 after Christmas (as U15s). That's a bit more than "meeting up next spring for an hour". The current 15 year olds are an excellent group, both the players and management. Their results and progress are of the highest order. This year's 14s mentors carried 48 at any one time. Overall, between injuries, call ups etc over 50 players were involved in a county set up. They all improved dramatically and they were very competitive in their games. All players, including the very weakest, were treated very fairly and got lots of game time each day.

Our biggest problems i think are:

1. Our playing population is just too small. Contrast our numbers with Tipp, Cork and Galway.

2. Dual issue. While players are encouraged to play both the simple fact of the matter is you can't be a top level hurler if you're equally committed to anything else.

3. Our Secondary Schools are just not operating at a high enough level.

Zoom while I agree with you on the u15's in terms of players and mentors,the one issue I would have is that didn't run trials for anyone outside the group this year or last.

The 3 points that you have raised are correct,how would you overcome or try and bridge the gap?

Nothing can be done about point one and very little can be done about point two as we are a genuine dual county. I'm not in favour of making lads choose too early. Point three is the one where we can make an impact. It will  need serious planning though as a number of our schools simply don't have enough interest in or backing for GAA

Point 3 is nearly the most mportant because thats were lads the the real bug for the game and you play with Club rivals against other county men!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: South Laois man on August 30, 2018, 01:19:28 PM
If only we had a Jp McManus type to bankroll us. That would solve a lot of our problems. Young fellas need to be well looked after and all that costs serious money.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 30, 2018, 02:41:29 PM
Could you have a situation where hurling coaches could go in to the secondary schools a couple of times a week? Or maybe the schols teams head up to Heywood fro a couple of evenings a week for some intensive coaching etc. I suppose the problem is that many of these kids are probably already on development squads. Are these squads training/meeting between now and January?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 30, 2018, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on August 30, 2018, 02:41:29 PM
Could you have a situation where hurling coaches could go in to the secondary schools a couple of times a week? Or maybe the schols teams head up to Heywood fro a couple of evenings a week for some intensive coaching etc. I suppose the problem is that many of these kids are probably already on development squads. Are these squads training/meeting between now and January?

I think the points about playing population and schools are inter-linked. We really need strong hurling cultures in the primary and secondary schools in the big towns (esp. Portlaoise) if we are going to increase our playing populations. Does anyone know if strides are being taken here?

On the positive side, the competitive showings from our U14 / U15 teams are massively encouraging. I can't remember a time when we took scalps like Limerick, KK (2017 Forristal), Waterford, Wexford consistently at this level. In the past we have tried to develop players that had decent skills into inter-county players but we tried to 'add quality' later. If lads don't have all the skills by 15 they will never have them in my view. I have yet to see a player reach the right level having had average skills at U-14 so this is massively important. Critical that we build on this now as everyone has said but at least you can do that with high quality raw material.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 30, 2018, 05:10:33 PM
Yes, what you say about a strong hurling culture is hugely important. In the central part of the county - around Portlaoise, Colt, Ratheniska, Shanahoe - hurling is just not an important enough game. Thus, even if a lad is good at it, the chances are he'll drift off into something else - football, soccer, rugby - which is somehow seen a 'sexier'. This problem doesn't really exist in Borris, Rathdowney, Camross, etc., where the game is more deeply rooted, but the decline of hurling in Portlaoise is a major problem for the county. My feeling is that the 'hurling culture' in Portlaoise schools is weak enough.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Chrimtain on September 06, 2018, 05:03:57 PM
What is the consensus on Martin Fogarty's idea for certain counties to amalgamate?

He suggests for example, that Carlow and Wicklow might do so for a club championship.

What about Laois and Offaly?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on September 06, 2018, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Chrimtain on September 06, 2018, 05:03:57 PM
What is the consensus on Martin Fogarty's idea for certain counties to amalgamate?

He suggests for example, that Carlow and Wicklow might do so for a club championship.

What about Laois and Offaly?
Our (OY) Championship is fine. Our main problem is that we've quite a few good club hurlers, however they lack the pace for inter-county hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on September 07, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 06, 2018, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Chrimtain on September 06, 2018, 05:03:57 PM
What is the consensus on Martin Fogarty's idea for certain counties to amalgamate?

He suggests for example, that Carlow and Wicklow might do so for a club championship.

What about Laois and Offaly?
Our (OY) Championship is fine. Our main problem is that we've quite a few good club hurlers, however they lack the pace for inter-county hurling.
I think he was thinking about weaker counties than Offaly or even Laois to be fair. More the likes of Cavan, Longford and Letrim for instance.
I'd have to say I'm not a fan of the Offaly SHC format though. Too many rounds in my opinion.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on September 07, 2018, 06:35:17 PM
Fogarty is talking about counties with only 2 or 3 clubs. The likes of Cavan, Fermanagh, Longford etc have very few teams and very few games as a result. If they pooled resources theyd have 8-10 clubs for a cship. Laois has 6 grades of hurling with 8 teams in each. Thats a world away from the counties he is referring to.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Chrimtain on September 07, 2018, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 07, 2018, 06:35:17 PM
Fogarty is talking about counties with only 2 or 3 clubs. The likes of Cavan, Fermanagh, Longford etc have very few teams and very few games as a result. If they pooled resources theyd have 8-10 clubs for a cship. Laois has 6 grades of hurling with 8 teams in each. Thats a world away from the counties he is referring to.

He mentioned Carlow, who are similar to Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 08, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
Carlow have way fewer hurling teams than Laois. Of course, that raises the question - why can they beat us at senior level when they have a far smaller pool to pick from?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on September 08, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
I see Ciaran Muldowney has stepped down as a Laois GDA.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 08, 2018, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 07, 2018, 06:35:17 PM
Fogarty is talking about counties with only 2 or 3 clubs. The likes of Cavan, Fermanagh, Longford etc have very few teams and very few games as a result. If they pooled resources theyd have 8-10 clubs for a cship. Laois has 6 grades of hurling with 8 teams in each. Thats a world away from the counties he is referring to.

Are there really 48 hurling teams in the Laois league!?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 08, 2018, 08:37:59 PM
No, there were 60 entered in the leagues; but Division 5A and 5B would be a bit hit and miss.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on September 09, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Yes there would be approx 48 teams but one or 2 might not field. This is teams not not clubs. Some(not many) clubs field 4 teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 09, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Yes there would be approx 48 teams but one or 2 might not field. This is teams not not clubs. Some(not many) clubs field 4 teams.

Aye I suspected that was the case. Still though that's impressive and I never knew hurling was as big there.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 09, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Yes there would be approx 48 teams but one or 2 might not field. This is teams not not clubs. Some(not many) clubs field 4 teams.

Aye I suspected that was the case. Still though that's impressive and I never knew hurling was as big there.
That's more than in Offaly!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 10, 2018, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 09, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Yes there would be approx 48 teams but one or 2 might not field. This is teams not not clubs. Some(not many) clubs field 4 teams.

Aye I suspected that was the case. Still though that's impressive and I never knew hurling was as big there.
That's more than in Offaly!
Well done, have a choc ice
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 10, 2018, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 09, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Yes there would be approx 48 teams but one or 2 might not field. This is teams not not clubs. Some(not many) clubs field 4 teams.

Aye I suspected that was the case. Still though that's impressive and I never knew hurling was as big there.
That's more than in Offaly!
Well done, have a choc ice

More of an iceberger man meself. Ye can take Delaney back any time ye like.



Also, if there's anyone on this from the main hurling clubs in Leix that aren't from Camross, could I send you a PM or vice versa.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 11, 2018, 12:58:11 AM
The Laois County Committee have ratified the appointment of Eddie Brennan as Laois Senior Hurling Manager for 2019,
Ratified also was his selectors of Tommy Fitzgerald Portlaoise, Fran Dowling Camross.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 11, 2018, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 10, 2018, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 09, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Yes there would be approx 48 teams but one or 2 might not field. This is teams not not clubs. Some(not many) clubs field 4 teams.

Aye I suspected that was the case. Still though that's impressive and I never knew hurling was as big there.
That's more than in Offaly!
Well done, have a choc ice

More of an iceberger man meself. Ye can take Delaney back any time ye like.



Also, if there's anyone on this from the main hurling clubs in Leix that aren't from Camross, could I send you a PM or vice versa.
We are all from Camross.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on September 12, 2018, 08:12:16 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 11, 2018, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 10, 2018, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 09, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Yes there would be approx 48 teams but one or 2 might not field. This is teams not not clubs. Some(not many) clubs field 4 teams.

Aye I suspected that was the case. Still though that's impressive and I never knew hurling was as big there.
That's more than in Offaly!
Well done, have a choc ice

More of an iceberger man meself. Ye can take Delaney back any time ye like.



Also, if there's anyone on this from the main hurling clubs in Leix that aren't from Camross, could I send you a PM or vice versa.
We are all from Camross.

How inconvenient.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 12, 2018, 08:19:12 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 12, 2018, 08:12:16 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 11, 2018, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 10, 2018, 09:40:53 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 10, 2018, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on September 09, 2018, 07:13:29 PM
Yes there would be approx 48 teams but one or 2 might not field. This is teams not not clubs. Some(not many) clubs field 4 teams.

Aye I suspected that was the case. Still though that's impressive and I never knew hurling was as big there.
That's more than in Offaly!
Well done, have a choc ice

More of an iceberger man meself. Ye can take Delaney back any time ye like.



Also, if there's anyone on this from the main hurling clubs in Leix that aren't from Camross, could I send you a PM or vice versa.
We are all from Camross.

How inconvenient.
Mind your step.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on September 12, 2018, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: merman on September 08, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
I see Ciaran Muldowney has stepped down as a Laois GDA.

Got a nice text off him last week thanking me for the work I do in the club. I always got on well with him. He'll be a loss.
I see His job has been advertised.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 12, 2018, 02:41:48 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on September 12, 2018, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: merman on September 08, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
I see Ciaran Muldowney has stepped down as a Laois GDA.

Got a nice text off him last week thanking me for the work I do in the club. I always got on well with him. He'll be a loss.
I see His job has been advertised.

Hard to stay fresh in a job like for 17 years,I was under the impression that Ciaran was taking a leave of absence for a year,but it now looks like the position is being advertised as a long term role.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on September 12, 2018, 03:33:15 PM
I wouldn't be too complimentary.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 12, 2018, 03:39:17 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on September 12, 2018, 03:33:15 PM
I wouldn't be too complimentary.
Holy Alter Ego Batman!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 12, 2018, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on September 12, 2018, 03:33:15 PM
I wouldn't be too complimentary.

I could think of at least one,who shall we say,is less committed in
the role than Ciaran ever was,and that's damning him with faint praise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on September 12, 2018, 06:54:21 PM
Well it seems Kieran has jumped ship. Not sure much of a loss and hopefully they bring in an active player to the coaching set up.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 12, 2018, 08:18:50 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on September 12, 2018, 06:54:21 PM
Well it seems Kieran has jumped ship. Not sure much of a loss and hopefully they bring in an active player to the coaching set up.
Would you not prefer they being in a coach?

If we got another like Hally we'd be laughing
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on September 12, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 12, 2018, 08:18:50 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on September 12, 2018, 06:54:21 PM
Well it seems Kieran has jumped ship. Not sure much of a loss and hopefully they bring in an active player to the coaching set up.
Would you not prefer they being in a coach?

If we got another like Hally we'd be laughing

In active I mean an active coach, unlike the person who has vacated recent position
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on September 13, 2018, 10:33:59 AM
Anyone hear the Eddie Brennan interview on off the ball last night........ Sounds like he's going back to basics and simplifying the game with striking, control, first touch being most important. Apparently kk had it very stripped back with huge intensity during drills and games. Could be a fairly good year no
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 13, 2018, 04:03:13 PM
Short interview with Midlands radio 3.

https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/eddie-brennan-with-s-duke (https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/eddie-brennan-with-s-duke)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 13, 2018, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: Jd on September 13, 2018, 10:33:59 AM
Anyone hear the Eddie Brennan interview on off the ball last night........ Sounds like he's going back to basics and simplifying the game with striking, control, first touch being most important. Apparently kk had it very stripped back with huge intensity during drills and games. Could be a fairly good year no

Just listened to it there now on OTB. Great interview seems to want to do the simple things extremely well, which we have overlooked at times. First touch in Laois has been poor in past couple of years so hopefully will be somewhat rectified over time. Ariel ball we've struggled a lot aswell no big figure to catch ball since willie Hyland. Hopefully lads will buy into it and great to have 2 good selectors on board. Would be more optimistic if we can get the best players to commit.
I wonder will similar approach be adopted in underage development squad. Such an onus on gameplays and seem to forget the fundamentals in hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 13, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
His most important task is his first one. Trying to get the best players to commit.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 02, 2018, 12:18:16 PM
u14 S&C training starting tonight for development squad members,2 nights a week,ditto for the u15's

good to see this finally happening
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 03, 2018, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 02, 2018, 12:18:16 PM
u14 S&C training starting tonight for development squad members,2 nights a week,ditto for the u15's

good to see this finally happening

Was this not happening last year too. I remember reading about it on Twitter.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 10:45:32 AM
There's a rumor going around that Ballinakill and Abbeyleix are in talks about an amalgamation.

Haven't heard any details other than that,Ballinakill seemingly made the approach

Highly unlikely the CB would let it happen
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 25, 2018, 10:54:21 AM
heard that myself, cant see why it wouldnt be let happen vlub wouldnt be any smaller than a borris/kilcotton or a rathdowney/errill or a camross. Would mean that there would be another genuine contender in senior hurling
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 25, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 10:45:32 AM
There's a rumor going around that Ballinakill and Abbeyleix are in talks about an amalgamation.

Haven't heard any details other than that,Ballinakill seemingly made the approach

Highly unlikely the CB would let it happen
Underage amalgamation also?

Would this mean Ballinakill footballers would go kick with Ballyroan Abbey?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on October 25, 2018, 10:54:21 AM
heard that myself, cant see why it wouldnt be let happen vlub wouldnt be any smaller than a borris/kilcotton or a rathdowney/errill or a camross. Would mean that there would be another genuine contender in senior hurling

Would the fact that it's 2 "senior" clubs combining not make it a runner in the eyes of the CB?

Definitely another genuine contender across all the grades, if it was to happen
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on October 25, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 10:45:32 AM
There's a rumor going around that Ballinakill and Abbeyleix are in talks about an amalgamation.

Haven't heard any details other than that,Ballinakill seemingly made the approach

Highly unlikely the CB would let it happen
Underage amalgamation also?

Would this mean Ballinakill footballers would go kick with Ballyroan Abbey?

Yes


No
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 25, 2018, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on October 25, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 10:45:32 AM
There's a rumor going around that Ballinakill and Abbeyleix are in talks about an amalgamation.

Haven't heard any details other than that,Ballinakill seemingly made the approach

Highly unlikely the CB would let it happen
Underage amalgamation also?

Would this mean Ballinakill footballers would go kick with Ballyroan Abbey?

Yes


No
It would make more sense if they did. Lads kicking with Spink/Crettyard and hurling with Ballinakill/Abbeyleix/Ballyroan, the thing is a godawful mess.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on October 25, 2018, 11:51:17 AM
Under this proposal I can see no reason why a Ballinakill player cannot now play with BallyroanAbbey, if there was an amalgamation.  It may be an unintended consequence as an amalgamation would straddle two parishes.  Note the Ballinakill player would have the option to go to Spink or Ballyroanabbey likewise in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 25, 2018, 12:06:05 PM
All sounds good for a combined teams chances of winning a county championship butAbbeyleix have had some great success of the past few years at underage so they must have a decent number of younglads coming through. 2 into 1 doesn't go so many of these lads as well as Ballinakill underage will not be playing senior.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 25, 2018, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on October 25, 2018, 10:54:21 AM
heard that myself, cant see why it wouldnt be let happen vlub wouldnt be any smaller than a borris/kilcotton or a rathdowney/errill or a camross. Would mean that there would be another genuine contender in senior hurling

Would the fact that it's 2 "senior" clubs combining not make it a runner in the eyes of the CB?

Definitely another genuine contender across all the grades, if it was to happen

Borris in Ossory and Kilcotton were both Senior when they joined, think Rathdowney and Errill were too although maybe Errill were just after been relegated im not sure, anyhow i dont know how much influence the county board can have, they could point out that they are seperate parishes and they would have to pick one as their area although slieve margy and st fintans were multi parish clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 25, 2018, 01:36:14 PM
Are ballinakill struggling a bit at underage ? Or are they short on numbers ? Always seems to be talk about them and an amalgamation
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on October 25, 2018, 11:51:17 AM
Under this proposal I can see no reason why a Ballinakill player cannot now play with BallyroanAbbey, if there was an amalgamation.  It may be an unintended consequence as an amalgamation would straddle two parishes.  Note the Ballinakill player would have the option to go to Spink or Ballyroanabbey likewise in the opposite direction.

Im sure,in the event of this amalgamation happening,Spink we would be nailing down an agreement with Crettyard pronto,they are also scouting around for partners in a juvenile amalgamation
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 01:54:48 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on October 25, 2018, 01:36:14 PM
Are ballinakill struggling a bit at underage ? Or are they short on numbers ? Always seems to be talk about them and an amalgamation

having faced them across the grades at juvenile,in the past few years,

they would have 7/8 starters on the minor amalgamation this year with ratheniska and margy the remainder,they would have 16/17 at u15 and probably similar at u13 with the u13's padding out the older age groups number.

they would have some serious quality with the 3 Shaughnesseys at minor and Duggan/Quinlan at u15,Depth would be an issue
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on October 25, 2018, 02:15:49 PM
Shouldn't  affect spink as abbey leix are a hurling club only operating  as St lazerians  and not part of Ballyroan Abbey which is a separate  football club.  Ballinakill are a hurling  only club so their players are free to play with any football club. Ballyroan hurlers can hurl with abbeyleix but also have the option of playing with Ballypickas so you have essentially  5 clubs in the mix
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 25, 2018, 04:02:05 PM
Abbeyleix and Ballyroan Abbey are the one nearly and Ballinakill and Spink simular situation, a knock on of this is that if they join up Ballypickas might get the Spink area back which they always had until Ballinakill start objecting to it, which might free up alot of time at county board meetings if what i hear is true
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 25, 2018, 07:20:52 PM
This shouldnt be allowed happen. Both clubs are competitive in senior. Might both need a few more to win it but doesnt mean they should amalgamate.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 25, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Absolutely. In the end, everyone will amalgamate with someone, and before we know it we'll only have six or seven hurling clubs and hardly anyone playing.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 25, 2018, 07:53:32 PM
alot of the lads that are saying they shouldnt be let amalgamate are the same people who were giving out that mountrath and trumera arent together, and slieve bloom split from castletown, but when its a genuine threat to the big 4 in laois suddenly its a big issue, i myself cant see it happening considering their is absolutely no links underage between them
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 25, 2018, 08:02:58 PM
I've never been in favour of amalgamations, unless one club is going to fold if it doesn't happen - which I think was pretty much the case when SB went in with Castletown. Now look at them! Trumera are hanging on by a thread, but by God, they make the absolute most of what they have, and have a couple of intermediate championships over the last four years. That's more admirable than two senior clubs joining up to win a title, if you ask me. If it was going to add to the viability of a genuine hurling culture in the area it would be a different matter, but I'm just not sure it would.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 25, 2018, 09:13:57 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on October 25, 2018, 07:53:32 PM
alot of the lads that are saying they shouldnt be let amalgamate are the same people who were giving out that mountrath and trumera arent together, and slieve bloom split from castletown, but when its a genuine threat to the big 4 in laois suddenly its a big issue, i myself cant see it happening considering their is absolutely no links underage between them

Mountrath and Trumera were all set to amalgamate 5/6 years ago and Liam o'Neill buried it on the Trumera side
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Rusty on October 26, 2018, 02:14:27 AM
Heard Bk approached pickas too about an amalgamation of sorts.  Abbeyleix would be interesting. Ballinakill couldn't field junior team in cship this year, did abbeyleix have any team bar senior? Poor numbers for hurling clubs if they didn't.

Don't see bk lads going to ballyroan for footy either. Older lads not interested in football. Hard enough to field a team in Spink.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 27, 2018, 09:23:21 AM
With the amount of amalgamtions borne of little effort at juvenile level we will end up like rugby. Only a few clubs and a minority sport. We cannot less this happen. If you have numbers form a juvenile team at u7, u9 etc. Look after them what ever level they play.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 27, 2018, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on October 27, 2018, 09:23:21 AM
With the amount of amalgamtions borne of little effort at juvenile level we will end up like rugby. Only a few clubs and a minority sport. We cannot less this happen. If you have numbers form a juvenile team at u7, u9 etc. Look after them what ever level they play.
If only t'were that simple
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on October 29, 2018, 08:59:30 PM
Didn't want to start a new topic on this but have not seen
or heard much chat about it yet,
What do clubs think/feel about soccer changing their season next year, it will be running side by side with GAA season, has there been any consulataion on a local or higher level as to how this will work ?
Last thing we want to do is be putting the gun to kids heads so early about choosing, and I thought it worked great having one sport when the other finished,
If there is no consultation locally between the clubs and training / fixtures are clashing it will lead to hassle
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 29, 2018, 09:57:47 PM
Was told this evening that this was only a proposal and not definite? Could be misinformed, however.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 30, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on October 27, 2018, 09:23:21 AM
With the amount of amalgamtions borne of little effort at juvenile level we will end up like rugby. Only a few clubs and a minority sport. We cannot less this happen. If you have numbers form a juvenile team at u7, u9 etc. Look after them what ever level they play.

Is there any credible evidence of this happening? For example, Rathdowney Errill or Borris Kilcotton? We heard that it would impact on the number of people playing but as far as I can see both clubs have teams at multiple grades and competitive underage teams year after year. I think there is far more danger of lads not committing to hurling if they are playing for Mickey mouse juvenile teams at B level and barely able to field a team.  If a club has enough players for 2 juvenile teams they can field them at multiple grades but the only club that seems to have the numbers for this are Portlaoise. Maybe it is happening but I haven't seen it myself.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on October 30, 2018, 06:27:33 PM
The R/E, B/K and C/B lads generally play soccer with Clover United in the Kilkenny league and it's the soccer that's suffering at the moment. Struggling to find mentors and get lads to commit. A few lads have opted for rugby instead. Hurling is still the first love of most kids down this way. The Kilkenny league in general seems to be struggling going by the fixtures so far. I was always in favour of the summer hurling, winter soccer set up but the last few years the soccer season has run on into hurling time and has lost out accordingly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 31, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on October 30, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on October 27, 2018, 09:23:21 AM
With the amount of amalgamtions borne of little effort at juvenile level we will end up like rugby. Only a few clubs and a minority sport. We cannot less this happen. If you have numbers form a juvenile team at u7, u9 etc. Look after them what ever level they play.

Is there any credible evidence of this happening? For example, Rathdowney Errill or Borris Kilcotton? We heard that it would impact on the number of people playing but as far as I can see both clubs have teams at multiple grades and competitive underage teams year after year. I think there is far more danger of lads not committing to hurling if they are playing for Mickey mouse juvenile teams at B level and barely able to field a team.  If a club has enough players for 2 juvenile teams they can field them at multiple grades but the only club that seems to have the numbers for this are Portlaoise. Maybe it is happening but I haven't seen it myself.

B/K and R/E are examples of well run amalgamations.

Other clubs do it out of convenience without the required effort at u7, u9 etc. Places like Mountrath, Mountmellick should always be fielding on their own with the numbers available.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 01, 2018, 11:29:00 AM
Fair enough.

I wonder though is there a vicious circle in some areas. Mountmellick and Mountrath for example have plenty of numbers but they haven't had much success as hurling areas. Are young lads not hurling because they have nothing to aspire to which curtails success and so on?

Again looking at successful areas, lads know at some point that if they are good enough they can potentially compete for medals, standards are higher in the club etc. The club branding also carries prestige in an area. This is what permanent division teams do in other counties like Cork and Kerry. Personally, I would be supportive of a divisional team in Laois such as a version of Na Fianna at underage which would give strong lads on ok intermediate and junior teams a good chance at senior competitive hurling without losing connection with their own clubs. However they should be permanent teams, not temporary marriages of convenience which dissolve after the first bad championship. Laois needs 8 competitive senior teams in our championship.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TheGiantSquid on November 01, 2018, 08:32:02 PM
Just a quick question, with S.Bloom now competing in the Senior "A" rank does this mean the Gaels with Castletown is automatically null and void or does it have to go to a CB vote? Im aware 2 "senior" teams cant be a Gaels but can they appeal it??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 07, 2018, 12:16:30 PM
I see Laois Today reporting that Mountrath CS won a 'Rest of Leinster' final against Birr. Do the KK schools also take part in this competition? I assume they do but a final with no KK team involved?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 14, 2018, 05:40:09 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/11/14/incredible-mountrath-cs-crowned-leinster-junior-a1-hurling-champions/?fbclid=IwAR3l-8Cadr_TcoJQC4m4PBuD0iyrBmH-ZRRDjouS-qCFaAwaNc0ztTokmUE (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/11/14/incredible-mountrath-cs-crowned-leinster-junior-a1-hurling-champions/?fbclid=IwAR3l-8Cadr_TcoJQC4m4PBuD0iyrBmH-ZRRDjouS-qCFaAwaNc0ztTokmUE)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 15, 2018, 07:16:38 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on November 14, 2018, 05:40:09 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/11/14/incredible-mountrath-cs-crowned-leinster-junior-a1-hurling-champions/?fbclid=IwAR3l-8Cadr_TcoJQC4m4PBuD0iyrBmH-ZRRDjouS-qCFaAwaNc0ztTokmUE (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/11/14/incredible-mountrath-cs-crowned-leinster-junior-a1-hurling-champions/?fbclid=IwAR3l-8Cadr_TcoJQC4m4PBuD0iyrBmH-ZRRDjouS-qCFaAwaNc0ztTokmUE)

Do the winners of this advance to anything or go to the big league next year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 17, 2018, 06:44:08 PM
Well done Portlaoise! Have had a real rags to riches season for them. Delighted for them. We need Portlaoise back at the top table.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 18, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
Eddie Brennan will be playing against them in the final, if I'm not mistaken? It'll be a tough match for Portlaoise, but it'd be great if they could do it!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on November 18, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Eddie  playing for Grange and his selector  Tommy Fitz for Portlaoise.  Really hope Pl  win.....  a few good young fellas  coming  through  with them.  County  champions  you'd be happy following
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 18, 2018, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: Jd on November 18, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Eddie  playing for Grange and his selector  Tommy Fitz for Portlaoise.  Really hope Pl  win.....  a few good young fellas  coming  through  with them.  County  champions  you'd be happy following
Tommy Fitz a gent of a man who gave his all to Laois year in year out. Quite the contrast with elsewhere.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on November 19, 2018, 12:08:02 AM
Well done to Portlaoise. On a separate note, any truth in rumour of a tie up between Abbeyleix and Ballinakill.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Leixlad on November 19, 2018, 07:58:16 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 18, 2018, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: Jd on November 18, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Eddie  playing for Grange and his selector  Tommy Fitz for Portlaoise.  Really hope Pl  win.....  a few good young fellas  coming  through  with them.  County  champions  you'd be happy following
Tommy Fitz a gent of a man who gave his all to Laois year in year out. Quite the contrast with elsewhere.

His goal against Galway the year in OMP in Leinster hurling championship being up there with my personal GAA highlights/memories. As commentator said on Sunday game that night a roar which nearly lifted the roof of the stand. Great day, even in defeat.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on November 19, 2018, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on November 19, 2018, 12:08:02 AM
Well done to Portlaoise. On a separate note, any truth in rumour of a tie up between Abbeyleix and Ballinakill.

Being in talks the last few weeks, heard they were going well but hadnt got to the serious stuff at that stage
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 19, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on November 19, 2018, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on November 19, 2018, 12:08:02 AM
Well done to Portlaoise. On a separate note, any truth in rumour of a tie up between Abbeyleix and Ballinakill.

Being in talks the last few weeks, heard they were going well but hadnt got to the serious stuff at that stage

Permanent or temporary?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 19, 2018, 04:03:05 PM
Senior is seemingly a done deal

Motion before both agms

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 19, 2018, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on November 19, 2018, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on November 19, 2018, 12:08:02 AM
Well done to Portlaoise. On a separate note, any truth in rumour of a tie up between Abbeyleix and Ballinakill.

Being in talks the last few weeks, heard they were going well but hadnt got to the serious stuff at that stage
Serious rows over who'll wash the jerseys I believe
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on November 20, 2018, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 19, 2018, 04:03:05 PM
Senior is seemingly a done deal

Motion before both agms
Would it be cheeky to suggest there's now no GAA club in Abbeyleix? Football is Ballyroan Abbey and hurling will named something else!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on November 20, 2018, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: SCFC on November 20, 2018, 03:20:16 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 19, 2018, 04:03:05 PM
Senior is seemingly a done deal

Motion before both agms
Would it be cheeky to suggest there's now no GAA club in Abbeyleix? Football is Ballyroan Abbey and hurling will named something else!

Will be interesting to see the breakdown of teams for the 2 clubs if it happens. Wonder would the Harps be promoted to Senior if this happens and the combination of Ballinakill/Abbeyleix go Senior B. Whether it will be passed at AGMs will also be interesting.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on November 25, 2018, 07:22:53 PM
I hear that Slieve Bloom pulled their lads from the u21 with Castletown this morning, once again the issues of jerseys appears to of been behind it. Lessons from the past dont appear to be learned
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on November 25, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on November 25, 2018, 07:22:53 PM
I hear that Slieve Bloom pulled their lads from the u21 with Castletown this morning, once again the issues of jerseys appears to of been behind it. Lessons from the past dont appear to be learned

See Ben Conroy put up something on it this afternoon on Twitter about that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 25, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: Helix on November 25, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on November 25, 2018, 07:22:53 PM
I hear that Slieve Bloom pulled their lads from the u21 with Castletown this morning, once again the issues of jerseys appears to of been behind it. Lessons from the past dont appear to be learned

See Ben Conroy put up something on it this afternoon on Twitter about that.
Oh there's a lovely bit of bite to that, attaboy BC
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 25, 2018, 08:14:45 PM
https://twitter.com/benconroy55/status/1066686263913254913?s=21
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 26, 2018, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 25, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: Helix on November 25, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on November 25, 2018, 07:22:53 PM
I hear that Slieve Bloom pulled their lads from the u21 with Castletown this morning, once again the issues of jerseys appears to of been behind it. Lessons from the past dont appear to be learned

See Ben Conroy put up something on it this afternoon on Twitter about that.
Oh there's a lovely bit of bite to that, attaboy BC

Not much bite to it now! Odd attitude to be claiming personal credit on social media for winning a game a game of hurling!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 26, 2018, 08:23:18 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 26, 2018, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 25, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: Helix on November 25, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on November 25, 2018, 07:22:53 PM
I hear that Slieve Bloom pulled their lads from the u21 with Castletown this morning, once again the issues of jerseys appears to of been behind it. Lessons from the past dont appear to be learned

See Ben Conroy put up something on it this afternoon on Twitter about that.
Oh there's a lovely bit of bite to that, attaboy BC

Not much bite to it now! Odd attitude to be claiming personal credit on social media for winning a game a game of hurling!
He spoke the truth and cut right through them, 2-3 speaks for itself, but no harm drill it home.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 26, 2018, 08:31:49 PM
Why delete it then? The truth yesterday shouldn't be something you have to apologise for today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 27, 2018, 06:00:19 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 26, 2018, 08:31:49 PM
Why delete it then? The truth yesterday shouldn't be something you have to apologise for today.
Outside influences got involved. Unseemly business
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 27, 2018, 08:58:06 AM
Jesus you are unreal. Inside info everywhere
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 27, 2018, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 27, 2018, 08:58:06 AM
Jesus you are unreal. Inside info everywhere
I know right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 27, 2018, 12:55:59 PM
Don as a man seemingly in the 'know how' was there not more to this particular situation than just the jersey issue ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 28, 2018, 07:36:18 AM
Quote from: les Antiques on November 27, 2018, 12:55:59 PM
Don as a man seemingly in the 'know how' was there not more to this particular situation than just the jersey issue ?
You're right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 28, 2018, 03:18:34 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/11/28/breaking-two-laois-senior-hurling-teams-set-to-join-and-form-new-club/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on November 28, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
No future to Laois hurling if this is the road clubs are going down
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 28, 2018, 03:47:33 PM
More merit to it than the Gaels combinations
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 28, 2018, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 28, 2018, 03:47:33 PM
More merit to it than the Gaels combinations

I agree. Good luck to Abbeyleix / Ballinakill. They will have a big catchment area and Abbeyleix have developed good underage structures in recent years. In my view full fusions bring energy and excitement to an area and they have more resources and facilities combined to get more lads hurling and better coaching structures. Fair play to them. It will improve the quality of the senior hurling championship too which is always going to help the county team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on November 28, 2018, 04:33:22 PM
Hope this works out for them. Best of luck to both clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on November 28, 2018, 04:40:55 PM
Both clubs not in the same parish
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Rusty on November 28, 2018, 04:52:30 PM
Article states that if amalgamtion goes ahead the two clubs will create junior c football teams each keep clubs alive instead of going fully together. Could someone play hurling with the new team , junior a football in ballyroan and junior c football with abbeyleix? Is that allowed?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on November 28, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Its as cowardly a move as has been seen in a long time, they have taken the easy way out instead of trying to take the final step, both have been to semi finals in recent years, i hope they remember that for every rathdowney/errill there is a harps also
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on November 28, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
How our county board can allow this is a joke. They have no interest in promoting hurling. What's to stop Castletown and Portlaoise from joining up for example??? Hurling is on its knees in this county. I would have no problem with this join up of they were the same parish. Shambles of a decision but nothing surprises me with the attitude and short sightedness of some people in this county. I'm completely fed up and disillousioned with Laois GAA being honest.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on November 28, 2018, 07:34:16 PM
Both teams have been in semi finals in the last 3 years, but its only hurling im sure the county board are more interested in the junior c football teams they plan on setting up
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on November 28, 2018, 07:50:25 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on November 28, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Its as cowardly a move as has been seen in a long time, they have taken the easy way out instead of trying to take the final step, both have been to semi finals in recent years, i hope they remember that for every rathdowney/errill there is a harps also
Yes. Or a Ballyroan Abbey!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Bud Wiser on November 28, 2018, 08:09:12 PM
If I was in Ballypickas surrounded by Ballinakill, Spink, Ballyroan/Abbey, Abbeyleix, Id feel like a black man in Alabama.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 28, 2018, 08:50:48 PM
Article seems to imply that you could hurl for Abbeykill, play football for Ballinakill and play football for Spink. I cannot see how this is possible.

Surely there will be a name change at the Ballaroan AGM, whether this goes through or not.

I think it would be a shocking decision. Both clubs have put huge effort into their underage for the last 5/6 years. Why jump now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 28, 2018, 09:00:08 PM
As I said elsewhere, Abbeyleix gave up and football a few years ago, and now hurling. I am extremely disappointed in both clubs, but especially them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on November 28, 2018, 10:42:36 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 28, 2018, 09:00:08 PM
As I said elsewhere, Abbeyleix gave up and football a few years ago, and now hurling. I am extremely disappointed in both clubs, but especially them.

The most interesting thing will be whether it gets through both of their agms. 75% majority needed on both sides. Will be absolute madness if that goes through.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Moregroundhurling on November 29, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbbey on November 28, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Its as cowardly a move as has been seen in a long time, they have taken the easy way out instead of trying to take the final step, both have been to semi finals in recent years, i hope they remember that for every rathdowney/errill there is a harps also

You have to imagine that Ballinakill are the ones instigating all of this. You cannot blame them, competing against big amalgamations. Village v Town and Village. They don't have a chance. Kids playing in clubs all over the place in underage teams. Any teams on their own competing in the "B".
But I suppose BallyroanAbbey has a point, it would be taking the cowards way out like the people of Rathdowney, errill,borris in ossory, kilcotton, castletown, slieve bloom, durrow, cullohill, clough, ballacolla, timahoe, rathineska have done in recent years/decades. Actually I'm going to toss camross in there too (Camross, Killenure, Colraine)What kind of a chance would ballinakill have if all of those teams were still on their own
However the rewards for cowardice are greater than ever. Interesting times ahead though, hopefully both clubs Alan Hartnett will keep Alan Hartnett involved in the negotions so the whole county can get all the gossip.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 29, 2018, 08:39:34 AM
Were Ballacolla and Clough ever separate clubs?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 29, 2018, 09:27:52 AM
I'd say Ballyroan Abbey will be alright, there will be no Juvenile Teams off Abbeyleix's Junior C Football Team.  There will be no transfers between both clubs.  Ballyroan Abbey is not an amalgamation thus we have no say in Abbeyleix's decision.  This present's challenges for Ballyroan Abbey which we will have to overcome.  My personal opinion Abbeyleix are giving up quite alot in history and identity on the premise of winning County Senior Titles,  that is not always guranteed.  Ballinakill are the big winners in this,  surely it will be one of the biggest clubs in the country geographically.  I have no idea how the other hurling clubs will react.  Ballypickas & Spink I imagine will struggle,  as Ballinakill already struggling for numbers will now have to form a Junior C football team.

Wonder what the name of the new club will be,  surely not "Kill Abbey"
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on November 29, 2018, 09:29:58 AM
Are Abbeyleix and Ballinakill the same parish? All the clubs mentioned by moregroundhurling are the same parish(I think, correct me if I'm wrong). But then again Parish rule doesnt apply in Laois. We will end up like Carlow with only 5 senior teams and an extremely shallow pool of players to pick from.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on November 29, 2018, 09:36:02 AM
Parish rule is only a Laois county bye law identifying a catchment area, there is several examples of it being ignored Timahoe Ratheniska, Sleive Margy.  It seems the parish rule can be overruled by county committee.  Don't ask me
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 29, 2018, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: Batman!!! on November 29, 2018, 09:29:58 AM
Are Abbeyleix and Ballinakill the same parish? All the clubs mentioned by moregroundhurling are the same parish(I think, correct me if I'm wrong). But then again Parish rule doesnt apply in Laois. We will end up like Carlow with only 5 senior teams and an extremely shallow pool of players to pick from.

On the other hand, Carlow hurling has moved ahead of Laois at county level, so perhaps there is some merit in it after all...!
However, I do agree with your point - more and more amalgamations means fewer and fewer playing numbers in the long run.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on November 29, 2018, 10:06:38 AM
Maybe a bigger issue for the future of Laois hurling is why Portlaoise have only one player on the Minor Hurling panel. Given the size of the club, that's very disappointing indeed.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/11/28/revealed-laois-minor-hurling-panel-for-2019-announced/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 29, 2018, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on November 29, 2018, 09:29:58 AM
Are Abbeyleix and Ballinakill the same parish? All the clubs mentioned by moregroundhurling are the same parish(I think, correct me if I'm wrong). But then again Parish rule doesnt apply in Laois. We will end up like Carlow with only 5 senior teams and an extremely shallow pool of players to pick from.

100% agree. Hurling will end up like rugby with 2-3 playing in different areas and no culture of the game being widely and commonly played. Maybe divisional teams drawn up by county board would solve this as players would get a chance at winning county c'ships and representing their own home club at the relevant grade. Eg Abbeykill at senior or whatever and both teams field at their own grade. Clubs like Timahoe and Ballinakill effectively disappearing is not good for hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ontheborder on November 29, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 29, 2018, 08:39:34 AM
Were Ballacolla and Clough ever separate clubs?

My family in Clough played for St Canices in the 60s but I don't know if that was separate to Ballacola at the time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 29, 2018, 03:05:18 PM
Hard to believe that alright . 45 lads picked for a Minor Hurling panel  with just  one from the largest Town in the county . A town that doesn't exactly lack in hurling tradition !
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 29, 2018, 08:19:49 PM
Quote from: les Antiques on November 29, 2018, 03:05:18 PM
Hard to believe that alright . 45 lads picked for a Minor Hurling panel  with just  one from the largest Town in the county . A town that doesn't exactly lack in hurling tradition !
Questionable enough 45 too
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 29, 2018, 08:40:13 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on November 29, 2018, 08:19:49 PM
Quote from: les Antiques on November 29, 2018, 03:05:18 PM
Hard to believe that alright . 45 lads picked for a Minor Hurling panel  with just  one from the largest Town in the county . A town that doesn't exactly lack in hurling tradition !
Questionable enough 45 too

Which ones then?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TheGiantSquid on November 29, 2018, 08:43:56 PM
The big winners in all of this would be the Castletowns, portlaoise, Harps, Rosenalis, Balyfin, Shanahoe etc as it would free up another spot in the 8 Senior teams. It would shake up Laois Hurling, also as the big 4 of Camross, R/E, C/Ballacolla and B/Kilcotton have dominated for a decade. Adding a 5th "Powerhouse" if you will has its pros and cons. For everyone saying that it will destroy small rural clubs, I ask do the likes of Kyle or Balipickas really worry about a Camross or Ballacollas first team ever??? So what difference should this make? I've no affiliation with either club and am actually from one of the Big 4 but I think it would improve the competition. If only the Arles Kileen/Kilcruise of this world would swallow their  pride also and maybe the football wouldn't be the foregone conclusion it has become over the last decade.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on January 16, 2019, 08:10:19 PM
Comprehensive win for St. Fergal's today in the North Leinster C Junior hurling semi-final. They defeated St. Joseph's of Rochfortbridge 2-18 to 1-2 in Rathdowney. A good mix of R/E, B/K and C/B hurlers on the team. Eight of them are on the County minor panel.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 17, 2019, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on January 16, 2019, 08:10:19 PM
Comprehensive win for St. Fergal's today in the North Leinster C Junior hurling semi-final. They defeated St. Joseph's of Rochfortbridge 2-18 to 1-2 in Rathdowney. A good mix of R/E, B/K and C/B hurlers on the team. Eight of them are on the County minor panel.

Great result. How is it Fergal's are at C level in this competition? Wouldn't expect them to be A but thought they might be B.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on January 17, 2019, 04:48:30 PM
It's all down to size really. Fergal's is only a small school with about three hundred pupils and really only draws from three clubs - R/E, B/K and C/B. Occasionally they would have a player from Galmoy or The Harps but not at the moment. Rochfortbridge is a school with over eight hundred and fifty, and even Mountrath by comparison has over seven hundred and fifty pupils and are representing Laois well in the higher divisions. Fergal's always competed well in the old Vocational Schools competition where they would have been up against schools of similar size. Since every school was lumped in to the same competition they can't compete against the big boys hence the div C. It's Laois hurling in a nutshell.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 18, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
Squad of 38 Hurlers on the Cumann na mBun school development squad

2 hurlers from the Health

No other hurlers from all the other schools in Portlaoise Parish.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 18, 2019, 09:07:30 PM
sign of the times....once upon a time rathdowney secondary were one of the big guns in "A" vocational schools....C grade is for the also rans.

as for no one from portlaoise being on the cumann na b panel...a shame....but perhaps Clonadmad rather than continually drilling away at hurling in Portlaoise GAA, a look closer to homemay be relevant.  If you are from Clonad, a once proud senior hurling club in this county, can you answer why the same Clonad has not produced one county panel standard senior player in the 21st century? is the raw material that bad, or is it the coaching?, because ye have all the facilties(fair play).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 18, 2019, 11:31:17 PM
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 18, 2019, 09:07:30 PM
sign of the times....once upon a time rathdowney secondary were one of the big guns in "A" vocational schools....C grade is for the also rans.

as for no one from portlaoise being on the cumann na b panel...a shame....but perhaps Clonadmad rather than continually drilling away at hurling in Portlaoise GAA, a look closer to homemay be relevant.  If you are from Clonad, a once proud senior hurling club in this county, can you answer why the same Clonad has not produced one county panel standard senior player in the 21st century? is the raw material that bad, or is it the coaching?, because ye have all the facilties(fair play).
No school
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 20, 2019, 01:36:04 AM
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 18, 2019, 09:07:30 PM
sign of the times....once upon a time rathdowney secondary were one of the big guns in "A" vocational schools....C grade is for the also rans.

as for no one from portlaoise being on the cumann na b panel...a shame....but perhaps Clonadmad rather than continually drilling away at hurling in Portlaoise GAA, a look closer to homemay be relevant.  If you are from Clonad, a once proud senior hurling club in this county, can you answer why the same Clonad has not produced one county panel standard senior player in the 21st century? is the raw material that bad, or is it the coaching?, because ye have all the facilties(fair play).

I wasn't having a pop at Portlaoise GAA

I was pointing out the fact that no child from the Parish was deemed good enough to make a 38 man development panel.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on January 20, 2019, 07:57:06 PM
Where is this panel published / to be viewed?

I'm all for coaching & development of players but a primary school development squad may be pushing it a bit too early
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on January 20, 2019, 09:57:52 PM
At that age group where selectors etc are from has huge influence on who/who doesn't make these panels. Is there no portlaoise input mentor wise into hese squads.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 21, 2019, 10:13:30 AM
Quote from: Clubber Lang on January 20, 2019, 09:57:52 PM
At that age group where selectors etc are from has huge influence on who/who doesn't make these panels. Is there no portlaoise input mentor wise into hese squads.
Ah howld on, you reckon club bias is in existence at f**king cuman na mbunscol? And Portlaoise struggle to even get into the schools in Portlaoise, you reckon they're volunteering to mentor these squads?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 21, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: Batman!!! on January 21, 2019, 11:13:13 AM
Pity Clonadmad is not actually from Clonad. It seems his real face is the former Laois gda from Kilkenny.
Does this mean you're not Batman?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on January 21, 2019, 11:50:41 AM
Like Ogie, I'm torn on this.
When it was introduced a couple of years ago, there was a lot of positivity around it. It seemed to fill a vacuum after the Setanta (and O' Moore Og) programmes had stagnated. I think it came from Tipperary where they have a 'Primary Game' which seems a similar initiative.

On the one hand, I can't help but feel primary school is simply too early for such panels. I hate the idea of maybe losing players. Maybe I'm being naieve on this.

On the other hand, these are probably all 12-13 years old, depending on country/town schools, and with minor falling down to U17, you could consider this the equivalent of U14 up until a few years ago. A lot of players from rural clubs probably can't get the opportunity to train at a high enough level as there simply won't be enough players 'up to the age' to train and develop alongside.
I know other counties do it but then, they likely have bigger playing numbers than we do.

This is very much part of the Coaching and Games Committee's plan at present. I suppose it does give the GDAs access to the players on a regular basis at a crucial age. I'm sure they've considered this and see it as a positive. I just hope the panels are kept big, open and that dual players are encouraged.

There's certainly merits to it but it's fair to have some reservations.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 21, 2019, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on January 21, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: Batman!!! on January 21, 2019, 11:13:13 AM
Pity Clonadmad is not actually from Clonad. It seems his real face is the former Laois gda from Kilkenny.
Does this mean you're not Batman?

Poor Batman

Wrong again
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 21, 2019, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Clubber Lang on January 20, 2019, 09:57:52 PM
At that age group where selectors etc are from has huge influence on who/who doesn't make these panels. Is there no portlaoise input mentor wise into hese squads.

Laughable comment in fairness

Just shows how little you actually know about the process
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 21, 2019, 01:09:46 PM
Tipp,Kk and Galway have this in place

But Shur what would they know about bringing  talent through?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on January 21, 2019, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 21, 2019, 01:09:46 PM
Tipp,Kk and Galway have this in place

But Shur what would they know about bringing  talent through?

Is it the exact same process?
I genuinely don't know.
I presume those counties would have at least 2 teams at U14 grade? So a minimum of 50 hurlers?
How many do they carry as part of their primary school panel?

I love that we are engaging in this process. It has definite positives. I'm not knocking this; especially if we believe a driving force is teachers from outside Laois who know what might be considered better practice than has previously been the case.
It's the '38' that I'm wary of. Maybe there are valid reasons; maybe not all schools engage or they want to focus on players who meet a certain standard.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 21, 2019, 06:05:29 PM
In relation to Tipp

I've been told by a teacher

It's 4 Cumann na mBun School Squads,1 in each of the divisions

Schools send in only 1 player (unlike Laois where there's no limit)

They train for 6/8 weeks and play games in that period also

Tipp would have 2 teams at u14/15 level
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on January 21, 2019, 09:55:32 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 21, 2019, 06:05:29 PM
In relation to Tipp

I've been told by a teacher

It's 4 Cumann na mBun School Squads,1 in each of the divisions

Schools send in only 1 player (unlike Laois where there's no limit)

They train for 6/8 weeks and play games in that period also

Tipp would have 2 teams at u14/15 level

Fair enough.
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 31, 2019, 09:10:13 AM
 the42.ie/4465962

Tipperary launch a commercial board to help raise funds for the running of the county HURLING team. When Cheddar had a plan for Laois hurling it was knocked because it didn't include football.

Now I know one is commercial and the other coaching but are we the only ones who can't back an exclusive plan or is it simply because football runs Laois?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on January 31, 2019, 10:46:02 AM
Imagine what would have happened for an equivalent football plan, and you have your answer.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on January 31, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
Anyone ever see, or get their hands on, a copy of the plan purposed by cheddar??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 01, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on January 31, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
Anyone ever see, or get their hands on, a copy of the plan purposed by cheddar??
I'm still waiting for you to return my copy
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on February 01, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 01, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on January 31, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
Anyone ever see, or get their hands on, a copy of the plan purposed by cheddar??
I'm still waiting for you to return my copy

Ok 🤔

This plan has been referenced here many times, and i am sure it was good, but, no one actually seems to know what it was or if it even exists!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 09, 2019, 09:38:12 AM
I'd love to see it too. Can somebody who has it please post it up.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on February 21, 2019, 11:42:09 AM
Just reading Cheddar has taken over the reins at James Stephen s along with another good Laois man  Seamus Dwyer . These are the people the county board  need involved in the continued development of Laois hurling. But alas we know better .
Best of luck to the lads in Kilkenny I'm sure they'll do a right job there .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 21, 2019, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on February 01, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on February 01, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Quote from: finbar o tool on January 31, 2019, 10:43:56 PM
Anyone ever see, or get their hands on, a copy of the plan purposed by cheddar??
I'm still waiting for you to return my copy

Ok 🤔

This plan has been referenced here many times, and i am sure it was good, but, no one actually seems to know what it was or if it even exists!!
It exists as you well know.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 21, 2019, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: les Antiques on February 21, 2019, 11:42:09 AM
Just reading Cheddar has taken over the reins at James Stephen s along with another good Laois man  Seamus Dwyer . These are the people the county board  need involved in the continued development of Laois hurling. But alas we know better .
Best of luck to the lads in Kilkenny I'm sure they'll do a right job there .

Spot on. Cheddar should be well paid and facilitated by Laois GAA to run underage hurling development. I would happily put my hand in my own pocket to help as would most other hurling people in Laois. So, who exactly is in charge of hurling development in Laois?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 21, 2019, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: les Antiques on February 21, 2019, 11:42:09 AM
Just reading Cheddar has taken over the reins at James Stephen s along with another good Laois man  Seamus Dwyer . These are the people the county board  need involved in the continued development of Laois hurling. But alas we know better .
Best of luck to the lads in Kilkenny I'm sure they'll do a right job there .

Laois can ill afford coaches of Cheddars quality coming to the likes of KK.

Yet another example of the drift and apathy that pervades this county but particularly at county board level
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 21, 2019, 02:44:25 PM
again it's up to the clubs to push for it and the club members to put pressure on delegates. A hurling supporters club with finance behind it might be a way to get the CB to listen. Niall Quinn doin the same with grassroots football.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on February 21, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
I think Clonadmad hits the nail right on the head in his second paragraph of his last statement .

There was 4 maybe 5 lads sitting in the stand Saturday night that potentially would be given starters on this current  Laois team but for individual reasons have decided inter county hurling isn't for them presently . This has to be respected .

It makes you think though . It definitely effects a county our size more . I don't recall this level of apathy in the 80s following laois hurling.  Club level was fierce but they all togged out for the county . But then again I realise times and society have changed but still think something has gone astray here in Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 21, 2019, 05:50:41 PM
Quote from: les Antiques on February 21, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
I think Clonadmad hits the nail right on the head in his second paragraph of his last statement .

There was 4 maybe 5 lads sitting in the stand Saturday night that potentially would be given starters on this current  Laois team but for individual reasons have decided inter county hurling isn't for them presently . This has to be respected .

It makes you think though . It definitely effects a county our size more . I don't recall this level of apathy in the 80s following laois hurling.  Club level was fierce but they all togged out for the county . But then again I realise times and society have changed but still think something has gone astray here in Laois.

I think maybe you are not of an age to remember then! There was always 3-4 county standard lads that would walk onto the team but only went in with the county for short periods or not at all. You are right though. We can't afford it. The apathy was less understandable back then than it is now as the commitment levels are orders of magnitude higher these days. Not helped by inter-county hurling for counties like ours being turned into a winter sport by the GAA.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 21, 2019, 06:11:49 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on February 21, 2019, 05:50:41 PM
Quote from: les Antiques on February 21, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
I think Clonadmad hits the nail right on the head in his second paragraph of his last statement .

There was 4 maybe 5 lads sitting in the stand Saturday night that potentially would be given starters on this current  Laois team but for individual reasons have decided inter county hurling isn't for them presently . This has to be respected .

It makes you think though . It definitely effects a county our size more . I don't recall this level of apathy in the 80s following laois hurling.  Club level was fierce but they all togged out for the county . But then again I realise times and society have changed but still think something has gone astray here in Laois.

I think maybe you are not of an age to remember then! There was always 3-4 county standard lads that would walk onto the team but only went in with the county for short periods or not at all. You are right though. We can't afford it. The apathy was less understandable back then than it is now as the commitment levels are orders of magnitude higher these days. Not helped by inter-county hurling for counties like ours being turned into a winter sport by the GAA.

I don't remember too many like that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on February 21, 2019, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: les Antiques on February 21, 2019, 11:42:09 AM
Just reading Cheddar has taken over the reins at James Stephen s along with another good Laois man  Seamus Dwyer . These are the people the county board  need involved in the continued development of Laois hurling. But alas we know better .
Best of luck to the lads in Kilkenny I'm sure they'll do a right job there .

Spot on. Cheddar should be well paid and facilitated by Laois GAA to run underage hurling development. I would happily put my hand in my own pocket to help as would most other hurling people in Laois. So, who exactly is in charge of hurling development in Laois?
I wonder will he go for the recently advertised position of games manager
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mossy Bruce on February 21, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on February 21, 2019, 02:44:25 PM
...A hurling supporters club with finance behind it might be a way to get the CB to listen...

Quote from: blueandwhite1 on February 21, 2019, 01:07:52 PM

...Cheddar should be well paid and facilitated by Laois GAA to run underage hurling development. I would happily put my hand in my own pocket to help as would most other hurling people in Laois....

Hear! Hear!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 22, 2019, 12:26:00 AM
Cheddar wont have much time for that this year

Laois duo take the reigns at Kilkenny hurling club
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/02/21/the-laois-duo-take-the-reigns-at-kilkenny-hurling-club/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on February 22, 2019, 03:21:12 AM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on February 21, 2019, 05:50:41 PM
Quote from: les Antiques on February 21, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
I think Clonadmad hits the nail right on the head in his second paragraph of his last statement .

There was 4 maybe 5 lads sitting in the stand Saturday night that potentially would be given starters on this current  Laois team but for individual reasons have decided inter county hurling isn't for them presently . This has to be respected .

It makes you think though . It definitely effects a county our size more . I don't recall this level of apathy in the 80s following laois hurling.  Club level was fierce but they all togged out for the county . But then again I realise times and society have changed but still think something has gone astray here in Laois.

I think maybe you are not of an age to remember then!


You think . 😊😊😊😊 I'm taking that as a compliment
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on April 07, 2019, 09:55:03 AM
Portlaoise unable to field an U14 Fèile Hurling team this weekend, withdrew from competition
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
I'd say it was a lack of interest, rather than an 'inability'. They've also dropped down to the 'B' at u13 level, along with Ballacolla and Camross. Makes you wonder. I believe Castletown wanted to drop back, too, but weren't allowed - despite the split w/ Slieve Bloom. So, that leaves only a 5 teams in the 'A' at u13, and 11 in the 'B'.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mossy Bruce on April 07, 2019, 04:34:16 PM
Sorry, I'm going to show more of my ignorance of the hurling competitions, back there. What is the "Feile" hurling competition?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
Every year there's a feile hurling festival somewhere in Ireland, and teams from all around the country participate at their own level. This year it's in Cork (I think). Every county would have a qualifying competition, and the winners of the 'A' and the 'B' of this in Laois would go forward to represent the county in different divisions.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mossy Bruce on April 07, 2019, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
Every year there's a feile hurling festival somewhere in Ireland, and teams from all around the country participate at their own level. This year it's in Cork (I think). Every county would have a qualifying competition, and the winners of the 'A' and the 'B' of this in Laois would go forward to represent the county in different divisions.
So, is this a somewhat short-term event? As in that the clubs within the counties play against each other (this weekend) to see which clubs go to the final competitions in Cork to represent their respective counties? Is this event focused towards underage players?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 07, 2019, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
I'd say it was a lack of interest, rather than an 'inability'. They've also dropped down to the 'B' at u13 level, along with Ballacolla and Camross. Makes you wonder. I believe Castletown wanted to drop back, too, but weren't allowed - despite the split w/ Slieve Bloom. So, that leaves only a 5 teams in the 'A' at u13, and 11 in the 'B'.

U13 B Hurling result from this past week

Portarlington 4-10 Portloaise 1-01

Portlaoise minors are also propping up the Minor B league after losing to Ratheniska by 13 points and Mountrath by 9

No one is deriving any pleasure from this,Laois hurling needs a vibrant Portlaoise


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 07, 2019, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
I'd say it was a lack of interest, rather than an 'inability'. They've also dropped down to the 'B' at u13 level, along with Ballacolla and Camross. Makes you wonder. I believe Castletown wanted to drop back, too, but weren't allowed - despite the split w/ Slieve Bloom. So, that leaves only a 5 teams in the 'A' at u13, and 11 in the 'B'.
I'm sorry but lack of interest is unacceptable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 08:11:03 PM
Quote from: Mossy Bruce on April 07, 2019, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
Every year there's a feile hurling festival somewhere in Ireland, and teams from all around the country participate at their own level. This year it's in Cork (I think). Every county would have a qualifying competition, and the winners of the 'A' and the 'B' of this in Laois would go forward to represent the county in different divisions.
So, is this a somewhat short-term event? As in that the clubs within the counties play against each other (this weekend) to see which clubs go to the final competitions in Cork to represent their respective counties? Is this event focused towards underage players?

Yes, exactly - it's for under-14s.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2019, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
I'd say it was a lack of interest, rather than an 'inability'. They've also dropped down to the 'B' at u13 level, along with Ballacolla and Camross. Makes you wonder. I believe Castletown wanted to drop back, too, but weren't allowed - despite the split w/ Slieve Bloom. So, that leaves only a 5 teams in the 'A' at u13, and 11 in the 'B'.

U13 B Hurling result from this past week

Portarlington 4-10 Portloaise 1-01

Portlaoise minors are also propping up the Minor B league after losing to Ratheniska by 13 points and Mountrath by 9

No one is deriving any pleasure from this,Laois hurling needs a vibrant Portlaoise

Yes, you're absolutely right - Laois hurling does need a strong Portlaoise. However, I would be flabbergasted if the above result wasn't Portlaoise 4-10 to Portarlington 1-1, and that is was entered on the website the wrong way 'round by mistake. Portarlington and St. Paul's combined had a strong team last year at u13 (won the 'B' championship, in fact), but St. Paul's split away this year at u13, and Port. barely have enough for a team. They are working very hard over there to keep it going, but still, I think a result like that is a bit beyond them. Could be wrong, BUT... I doubt it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 07, 2019, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2019, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
I'd say it was a lack of interest, rather than an 'inability'. They've also dropped down to the 'B' at u13 level, along with Ballacolla and Camross. Makes you wonder. I believe Castletown wanted to drop back, too, but weren't allowed - despite the split w/ Slieve Bloom. So, that leaves only a 5 teams in the 'A' at u13, and 11 in the 'B'.

U13 B Hurling result from this past week


Portarlington 4-10 Portloaise 1-01

Portlaoise minors are also propping up the Minor B league after losing to Ratheniska by 13 points and Mountrath by 9

No one is deriving any pleasure from this,Laois hurling needs a vibrant Portlaoise

Yes, you're absolutely right - Laois hurling does need a strong Portlaoise. However, I would be flabbergasted if the above result wasn't Portlaoise 4-10 to Portarlington 1-1, and that is was entered on the website the wrong way 'round by mistake. Portarlington and St. Paul's combined had a strong team last year at u13 (won the 'B' championship, in fact), but St. Paul's split away this year at u13, and Port. barely have enough for a team. They are working very hard over there to keep it going, but still, I think a result like that is a bit beyond them. Could be wrong, BUT... I doubt it.

Even if that was the case and I've spoken to a guy who said that was the scoreline

It doesn't excuse their non participation in the Feile and their performances in the minor B league
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mossy Bruce on April 07, 2019, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 08:11:03 PM
Quote from: Mossy Bruce on April 07, 2019, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
Every year there's a feile hurling festival somewhere in Ireland, and teams from all around the country participate at their own level. This year it's in Cork (I think). Every county would have a qualifying competition, and the winners of the 'A' and the 'B' of this in Laois would go forward to represent the county in different divisions.
So, is this a somewhat short-term event? As in that the clubs within the counties play against each other (this weekend) to see which clubs go to the final competitions in Cork to represent their respective counties? Is this event focused towards underage players?

Yes, exactly - it's for under-14s.

What great type of event! I'll have to follow these more closely.
Thanks for educating me (again), Burdizzo!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on April 07, 2019, 10:19:24 PM
Mossy you might be interested to know that New York won the football version of the competition a couple of years ago. You can see here: https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/trip-of-a-lifetime-ends-in-glory-for-phenomenal-new-york-bunch-453863.html
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2019, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 07, 2019, 06:48:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
I'd say it was a lack of interest, rather than an 'inability'. They've also dropped down to the 'B' at u13 level, along with Ballacolla and Camross. Makes you wonder. I believe Castletown wanted to drop back, too, but weren't allowed - despite the split w/ Slieve Bloom. So, that leaves only a 5 teams in the 'A' at u13, and 11 in the 'B'.

U13 B Hurling result from this past week


Portarlington 4-10 Portloaise 1-01

Portlaoise minors are also propping up the Minor B league after losing to Ratheniska by 13 points and Mountrath by 9

No one is deriving any pleasure from this,Laois hurling needs a vibrant Portlaoise

Yes, you're absolutely right - Laois hurling does need a strong Portlaoise. However, I would be flabbergasted if the above result wasn't Portlaoise 4-10 to Portarlington 1-1, and that is was entered on the website the wrong way 'round by mistake. Portarlington and St. Paul's combined had a strong team last year at u13 (won the 'B' championship, in fact), but St. Paul's split away this year at u13, and Port. barely have enough for a team. They are working very hard over there to keep it going, but still, I think a result like that is a bit beyond them. Could be wrong, BUT... I doubt it.

Even if that was the case and I've spoken to a guy who said that was the scoreline

It doesn't excuse their non participation in the Feile and their performances in the minor B league

Was he at the match, or did he just get it off the website?
But, yes, there's no way they should be in the 'B' - at any grade.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mossy Bruce on April 07, 2019, 10:41:09 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on April 07, 2019, 10:19:24 PM
Mossy you might be interested to know that New York won the football version of the competition a couple of years ago. You can see here: https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/trip-of-a-lifetime-ends-in-glory-for-phenomenal-new-york-bunch-453863.html
What an amazing story! (I'm sorry to hear they had to go back there and beat a Laois club, though.)
Thanks for this story, Giovanni.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 08, 2019, 10:19:36 AM
Quote from: Giovanni on April 07, 2019, 10:19:24 PM
Mossy you might be interested to know that New York won the football version of the competition a couple of years ago. You can see here: https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/trip-of-a-lifetime-ends-in-glory-for-phenomenal-new-york-bunch-453863.html
Two sides with big catchment areas there.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on September 30, 2019, 03:28:26 PM
A side note to the on field action,
Disappointing to see Andrew Kavangh resigning from his position as Laois GDA. Will be a huge loss in the hurling areas, best wishes to him for the future
Hopefully a good Hurling orientated replacement will be brought in.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 30, 2019, 03:31:26 PM
A good fella Andrew, he'll be missed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 30, 2019, 04:07:30 PM
Sad to see Andrew leave

He was professional to his fingertips in the role.

Laois have 5 GDA's but due to turnover of staff,we have never had 5 in place.

I believe the role Colm Begley left has been filled,it will be a dual GDA.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on September 30, 2019, 06:00:38 PM
That's shocking news. Andrew was a lovely fella to deal with. We had him out a few times and he gave a very good session to both the players and the coaches. There has to be something radically wrong with Laois GAA setup if lads are leaving like that. It seems like a poisonous place to work with no staff morale. Not surprising given some of the characters who've been in power in recent years. Andrew loved his job and now he's gone. What's he going to do?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 05, 2019, 07:47:24 PM
Well done to the Harps on winning the Minor A this evening.This was their second year facing an marriage of convenience  amalgamation and fair play to them,they won by 8 points.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 05, 2019, 08:30:59 PM
The Harps also won the u13A and u11A County titles

They are making some progress at underage
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 05, 2019, 08:42:32 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 05, 2019, 07:47:24 PM
Well done to the Harps on winning the Minor A this evening.This was their second year facing an marriage of convenience  amalgamation and fair play to them,they won by 8 points.

100% agree. Abbeyleix will be left to stew on their decision to bolster their squad!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 05, 2019, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 05, 2019, 08:42:32 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 05, 2019, 07:47:24 PM
Well done to the Harps on winning the Minor A this evening.This was their second year facing an marriage of convenience  amalgamation and fair play to them,they won by 8 points.

100% agree. Abbeyleix will be left to stew on their decision to bolster their squad!
Why, did it make them weaker?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 05, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
I wouldn't think so Don, would you?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 05, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
The Harps have really gotten their house in order.
Good people involved, great numbers coming through, huge investment into their coaching in both primary schools and they're remaining committed to both football and hurling at juvenile level.

A bright future ahead.

Delighted for them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 01:12:34 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 05, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
I wouldn't think so Don, would you?
Seemed an odd comment
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 06, 2019, 01:18:14 AM
Well, have a look at the starting 15, and particularly the subs used.
I wasn't at the game, but something odd about the team picked.

A very successful underage team all the way up along is suddenly strengthened by 4/5 players including at least 3 IC players. You wouldn't expect them to underperform in a final, right?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:01:28 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 06, 2019, 01:18:14 AM
Well, have a look at the starting 15, and particularly the subs used.
I wasn't at the game, but something odd about the team picked.

A very successful underage team all the way up along is suddenly strengthened by 4/5 players including at least 3 IC players. You wouldn't expect them to underperform in a final, right?
They're 16 year old kids for f**king sake. Grow up a bit yourself perhaps.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on October 06, 2019, 07:36:27 AM
Maybe  Abbeyleix underperformed due to the fact 12/13 played a very intense football match the week before.  There good lads both sides leave it there, hopefully they all stay playing.  That's the bigger problem.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 06, 2019, 08:20:27 AM
Serious respect to the harps on a great day yesterday. Goes to show the value of hard work at grass roots level. Mossy must be a happy man. On another note am i right in saying the harps had only 1 representative on this year's minor team against the gaels 6. Something seriously flawed with our county selection if this is the case.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 08:32:21 AM
Jesus there's some amount of pettiness here.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 06, 2019, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:01:28 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 06, 2019, 01:18:14 AM
Well, have a look at the starting 15, and particularly the subs used.
I wasn't at the game, but something odd about the team picked.

A very successful underage team all the way up along is suddenly strengthened by 4/5 players including at least 3 IC players. You wouldn't expect them to underperform in a final, right?
They're 16 year old kids for f**king sake. Grow up a bit yourself perhaps.

And where did I (or anyone) attack any 16 year old kids?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 06, 2019, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:01:28 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 06, 2019, 01:18:14 AM
Well, have a look at the starting 15, and particularly the subs used.
I wasn't at the game, but something odd about the team picked.

A very successful underage team all the way up along is suddenly strengthened by 4/5 players including at least 3 IC players. You wouldn't expect them to underperform in a final, right?
They're 16 year old kids for f**king sake. Grow up a bit yourself perhaps.

And where did I (or anyone) attack any 16 year old kids?
No one accused you of attacking anyone.

16 year olds are very likely to underperform on any given day, give them a break.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 06, 2019, 09:07:52 PM
The Harps had a well thought out and well executed plan even though Abbeyleix/Ballinakill were roaring hot favorites going into the game.

I wouldn't be too hard on the amalgamation,those chaps were probably a little bit complacent based on results all year,what happened to them will stand them in good stead for the rest of their careers
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 23, 2019, 07:04:15 PM
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/portarlington-/488303/gaa-green-shoots-of-emerging-hurling-force-on-the-laois-offaly-border-in-football-country.html?fbclid=IwAR2SVA5531WO5G0dSMW5B0v0jzvc-DkvNPOkRYYVK-itcao52x-E5R_N3NI

Some lovely hurlers on this team, and hopefully they'll continue to progress.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 23, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 23, 2019, 07:04:15 PM
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/portarlington-/488303/gaa-green-shoots-of-emerging-hurling-force-on-the-laois-offaly-border-in-football-country.html?fbclid=IwAR2SVA5531WO5G0dSMW5B0v0jzvc-DkvNPOkRYYVK-itcao52x-E5R_N3NI

Some lovely hurlers on this team, and hopefully they'll continue to progress.

Great to see Port making progress at underage hurling,there's a small but growing and very dedicated bunch of hurling men over there,which need to be supported

Just on a side note,this "football country" with likes of the express and Laois today gets my goat

There should be no border for either hurling or football country in this county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on October 23, 2019, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 23, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 23, 2019, 07:04:15 PM
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/portarlington-/488303/gaa-green-shoots-of-emerging-hurling-force-on-the-laois-offaly-border-in-football-country.html?fbclid=IwAR2SVA5531WO5G0dSMW5B0v0jzvc-DkvNPOkRYYVK-itcao52x-E5R_N3NI

Some lovely hurlers on this team, and hopefully they'll continue to progress.

Great to see Port making progress at underage hurling,there's a small but growing and very dedicated bunch of hurling men over there,which need to be supported

Just on a side note,this "football country" with likes of the express and Laois today gets my goat

There should be no border for either hurling or football country in this county.
This. The thing I find great about ye as a county is that the likes of Castletown and Camross field football teams. Even at underage. It's magnificent. Unlike all clubs say in South Offaly that don't even bother, not even Birr at underage, and they gave walkovers at adult level. Same can be said for hurling in the north/east. Edenderry being the equivalent to Birr, but at least Birr attempted to field a football team. The other crowd didn't. For some of the giving out done on here, ye have a lot going for ye. That's not to say that ye're perfect....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 23, 2019, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on October 23, 2019, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 23, 2019, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 23, 2019, 07:04:15 PM
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/portarlington-/488303/gaa-green-shoots-of-emerging-hurling-force-on-the-laois-offaly-border-in-football-country.html?fbclid=IwAR2SVA5531WO5G0dSMW5B0v0jzvc-DkvNPOkRYYVK-itcao52x-E5R_N3NI

Some lovely hurlers on this team, and hopefully they'll continue to progress.

Great to see Port making progress at underage hurling,there's a small but growing and very dedicated bunch of hurling men over there,which need to be supported

Just on a side note,this "football country" with likes of the express and Laois today gets my goat

There should be no border for either hurling or football country in this county.
This. The thing I find great about ye as a county is that the likes of Castletown and Camross field football teams. Even at underage. It's magnificent. Unlike all clubs say in South Offaly that don't even bother, not even Birr at underage, and they gave walkovers at adult level. Same can be said for hurling in the north/east. Edenderry being the equivalent to Birr, but at least Birr attempted to field a football team. The other crowd didn't. For some of the giving out done on here, ye have a lot going for ye. That's not to say that ye're perfect....


We have "hurling" clubs fielding football teams

We need "football" clubs fielding hurling teams.

This year we had 320 u11's playing hurling and 570 u11's playing football

We as a county should be aiming to get 700 kids playing both
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on October 23, 2019, 10:44:18 PM
Portlaoise won the under 15 A championship at the weekend and the minor B tonight. Signs of a revival in the town?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 23, 2019, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: SCFC on October 23, 2019, 10:44:18 PM
Portlaoise won the under 15 A championship at the weekend and the minor B tonight. Signs of a revival in the town?

Definitely and good to see

They have a fine u15 team that won the A well,best team by a mile at that grade.

U17 team not as strong but won well tonight

They should be in the mix for the minor A title in 2020

Laois Hurling needs a strong Portlaoise
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on October 24, 2019, 05:01:31 AM
Minor 2020 championship should be a cracker as long as there are none of the recent marriage of convenience style amalgamations. B/K, R/E, Portlaoise, C/B, Harps and Abbeyleix would all fancy their chances. Rosenallis and Camross won't be far behind.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 24, 2019, 07:55:51 AM
Great to see Portlaoise competing. Hopefully these young men will continue to hurl and not be drawn solely towards football as they reach adult grades. Their u15 team is one of the biggest teams I think I've ever seen at that grade.

Great numbers at laois minor trials last evening in Borris.
Thankfully the management team have opened up the panel or so I hope.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on October 24, 2019, 08:12:27 AM
For the town its great to see and as the lad alluded to a strong Portlaoise can only help the county.

Hurling is on the up around the county and the positive vibes are everywhere.


On a senior hurling point its very disapointing to see Cha and Conroy gone for 2020, fair play to them and good luck in their endeavours but from a selfish point of view Laois would love to have them on board.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2019, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on October 24, 2019, 05:01:31 AM
Minor 2020 championship should be a cracker as long as there are none of the recent marriage of convenience style amalgamations. B/K, R/E, Portlaoise, C/B, Harps and Abbeyleix would all fancy their chances. Rosenallis and Camross won't be far behind.

Portlaoise,The Harps,Abbeyleix and Camross would be my 4  to make a semifinal in 2020

Rosenallis are my dark horse

B/K,R/E and C/B I don't think will be in the mix as they weren't strong this year and their u15's did little this year also.

I completely agree with you,as regards those one year amalgamations,they shouldn't be allowed full stop.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2019, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on October 24, 2019, 07:55:51 AM
Great to see Portlaoise competing. Hopefully these young men will continue to hurl and not be drawn solely towards football as they reach adult grades. Their u15 team is one of the biggest teams I think I've ever seen at that grade.

Great numbers at laois minor trials last evening in Borris.
Thankfully the management team have opened up the panel or so I hope.

A pity they ran it at the same time as Portlaoise and Castletown were playing in a minor final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on October 24, 2019, 10:05:51 AM
With regards to the amalgamation idea I can see why people object to them but looking from the outside in is it not better that two rural clubs who may not have enough for a particular year actually field an amalgamation rather than each have 10 air 12 young fellas not playing at all. Ballacolla did it with Mountrath and won the minor a few years ago but I know from people out there that they really had only 10 players fit for minor. They joined up and now both have them players coming onto their adult teams. Some years you have a crop and others you have only 5 or 6. I was in at the minor football and St Pauls who are one of the strongest underage teams had two u14 and three u15s on their team. They are on the go for a good few years(I remember playing them a hundred years ago) yet seem to be down on numbers this year. I think that if amalgamations even short term ones get lads out hurling then they can only be good
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 24, 2019, 10:22:51 AM
Quote from: Jd on October 24, 2019, 10:05:51 AM
With regards to the amalgamation idea I can see why people object to them but looking from the outside in is it not better that two rural clubs who may not have enough for a particular year actually field an amalgamation rather than each have 10 air 12 young fellas not playing at all. Ballacolla did it with Mountrath and won the minor a few years ago but I know from people out there that they really had only 10 players fit for minor. They joined up and now both have them players coming onto their adult teams. Some years you have a crop and others you have only 5 or 6. I was in at the minor football and St Pauls who are one of the strongest underage teams had two u14 and three u15s on their team. They are on the go for a good few years(I remember playing them a hundred years ago) yet seem to be down on numbers this year. I think that if amalgamations even short term ones get lads out hurling then they can only be good

I have to say I disagree. Is it not better to go on your own and develop your own players. I said here before ballyhale are currently playing at c in a couple of age grades albeit kilkenny cb have the foresight to facilitate 13 and 11 a side competitions for teams with low numbers in any given year.
St Paul's are a full blown almagation at underage level and it works for them.
The problem arises when clubs with sufficient numbers and don't put in the work underage developimg players decide to hop around to win a minor.
How is that beneficial for club or county. Is it not better to look at the bug picture than win an underage title
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2019, 10:24:21 AM
Quote from: Jd on October 24, 2019, 10:05:51 AM
With regards to the amalgamation idea I can see why people object to them but looking from the outside in is it not better that two rural clubs who may not have enough for a particular year actually field an amalgamation rather than each have 10 air 12 young fellas not playing at all. Ballacolla did it with Mountrath and won the minor a few years ago but I know from people out there that they really had only 10 players fit for minor. They joined up and now both have them players coming onto their adult teams. Some years you have a crop and others you have only 5 or 6. I was in at the minor football and St Pauls who are one of the strongest underage teams had two u14 and three u15s on their team. They are on the go for a good few years(I remember playing them a hundred years ago) yet seem to be down on numbers this year. I think that if amalgamations even short term ones get lads out hurling then they can only be good

This year

You had ballinakill and Abbeyleix amalgamate at Minor with the express intention of winning a minor A championship

Both are senior hurling clubs

Both had enough numbers to put out separate minor teams

Explain to me where this is right or fair or for that matter actually develops their own middling to weaker players who are left sitting on the sideline.

It's also not fair on their standalone opponents who are doing their development in the right way and I
was delighted to see the Harps (a club who are going about their business in the right way, as regards juvenile development) best them in the final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 24, 2019, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 24, 2019, 10:24:21 AM
Quote from: Jd on October 24, 2019, 10:05:51 AM
With regards to the amalgamation idea I can see why people object to them but looking from the outside in is it not better that two rural clubs who may not have enough for a particular year actually field an amalgamation rather than each have 10 air 12 young fellas not playing at all. Ballacolla did it with Mountrath and won the minor a few years ago but I know from people out there that they really had only 10 players fit for minor. They joined up and now both have them players coming onto their adult teams. Some years you have a crop and others you have only 5 or 6. I was in at the minor football and St Pauls who are one of the strongest underage teams had two u14 and three u15s on their team. They are on the go for a good few years(I remember playing them a hundred years ago) yet seem to be down on numbers this year. I think that if amalgamations even short term ones get lads out hurling then they can only be good

This year

You had ballinakill and Abbeyleix amalgamate at Minor with the express intention of winning a minor A championship

Both are senior hurling clubs

Both had enough numbers to put out separate minor teams

Explain to me where this is right or fair or for that matter actually develops their own middling to weaker players who are left sitting on the sideline.

It's also not fair on their standalone opponents who are doing their development in the right way and I
was delighted to see the Harps (a club who are going about their business in the right way, as regards juvenile development) best them in the final.
I know a few harps lads well and they undertook to change their underage structures a good few years ago and stop their gaels teams with Ballinakill. They went to senior B while Ballinakill are stilling competing strongly at senior level.
Their juvenile structures are now the strongest in the county and will undoubtedly pay dividends albeit with a psychologist for county finals.
Some of our strongest senior clubs ie camross are entering gaels teams at some levels which I think is a disaster for our counties hurling development.
Fair play to raheen parish gaels who are doing it right. Saw the need to amalgamate at all grades and are working hard to develop players
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 24, 2019, 11:06:35 AM
Looking at the success of Rosenallis at senior level. As was said in another thread it is the coaching of young players that has them there. I am assuming that they did not have numbers underage either to compete on their own but they have managed to get two senior teams. To be honest without knowing much about it the Ballinakill Abbeyleix amalgamation was baffling.
How much better would Mountrath or Mountmellick be if they put as much effort in as Rosenallis have.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 24, 2019, 12:17:35 PM
Rosenalis do have enough to compete on their own underage.
Ballinakill would be pretty tight on numbers in some age groups.
Mountrath are also tight on numbers at some levels, but then again, show absolutely no ambition to compete in 'A' even when they're capable of it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2019, 05:51:35 PM
u13 to u20 is 15 a side or 13 a side if both teams agree to it

Surely most teams would have 13 hurlers ?

do we go down the road like KK and have a 13 or 11 a side division?,Ive no issues with that,it keeps chaps hurling and getting game time.

The other option is that clubs in a parish or in close geographic proximity to each other amalgamate,

but its across all juvenile grades and for a minimum of 5 years,that might cut out the bed hopping that some clubs have been indulging in.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on October 24, 2019, 07:31:46 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 24, 2019, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on October 24, 2019, 05:01:31 AM
Minor 2020 championship should be a cracker as long as there are none of the recent marriage of convenience style amalgamations. B/K, R/E, Portlaoise, C/B, Harps and Abbeyleix would all fancy their chances. Rosenallis and Camross won't be far behind.

Portlaoise,The Harps,Abbeyleix and Camross would be my 4  to make a semifinal in 2020

Rosenallis are my dark horse

B/K,R/E and C/B I don't think will be in the mix as they weren't strong this year and their u15's did little this year also.

I completely agree with you,as regards those one year amalgamations,they shouldn't be allowed full stop.

B/K won the u15 two years ago, comfortably beating Portlaoise in the final. R/E won the league without losing a game, and only lost to both Portlaoise and B/K in championship by a point each time. Both of these and C/B would consider themselves stronger for 2020 than 2019.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on October 25, 2019, 09:41:22 AM
I get what you're saying re two  strong clubs joining up in a particular year just to target a particular competition and I think we all agree that it's wrong. My point was with regard to the small rural clubs who genuinely struggle with numbers and possibly in a certain year just have 8 or9 players. What do they do.  The under 13 or under 11 games are not an option in Laois so where does that leave them seven or eight kids. My point about Saint Pauls was that it is a long established and very strong amalgamation yet this years minor team had two under 14s and a few under 15s on their team. If they have low numbers then certainly other teams are struggling to put out teams. One poster said that clubs should be developing their own kids but if the numbers are not there then they cannot be developed. A lot on here say then the small clubs should amalgamate fully but I'd be of a different opinion. A sense of place and community and winning a small competition with your own generates a lot more goodwill and dare I say hype in your own area than possibly just competing at a higher level with a bigger joined unit. Just my opinion though
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 25, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
Your opinion is completely valid.

One question I would ask though is whether fears of identity loss are really well founded.

Ask an Errill or Kilcotton man if they still have their identities. I can guarantee you that they do. They are probably enhanced rather than diminished by the amalgamations as they get to express their identities on a much bigger stage than they would without the amalgamation.

The other observation I would have is the fear that amalgamations push out young hurlers that aren't at the top level. I don't believe this happens either. At adult level most amalgamations and big clubs have Junior B, Junior A, Intermediate / Senior B as well as a Senior team. It is very challenging to fill all of these teams. No young fella ever was turned away from a club who wanted to hurl. If they are good enough to make a minor A team then they get to play at that grade but if they are not then there is always the option of a minor B team if there are numbers. However, even the bigger clubs struggle to get those sorts of numbers in training at underage.

Not saying people's opinions are not valid but often the fear of what might happen and what actually happens are very different. I'm making the point about amalgamations and not for temporary marriages of convenience which I'm not a big fan of.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 25, 2019, 10:38:57 AM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on October 25, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
Your opinion is completely valid.

One question I would ask though is whether fears of identity loss are really well founded.

Ask an Errill or Kilcotton man if they still have their identities. I can guarantee you that they do. They are probably enhanced rather than diminished by the amalgamations as they get to express their identities on a much bigger stage than they would without the amalgamation.

The other observation I would have is the fear that amalgamations push out young hurlers that aren't at the top level. I don't believe this happens either. At adult level most amalgamations and big clubs have Junior B, Junior A, Intermediate / Senior B as well as a Senior team. It is very challenging to fill all of these teams. No young fella ever was turned away from a club who wanted to hurl. If they are good enough to make a minor A team then they get to play at that grade but if they are not then there is always the option of a minor B team if there are numbers. However, even the bigger clubs struggle to get those sorts of numbers in training at underage.

Not saying people's opinions are not valid but often the fear of what might happen and what actually happens are very different. I'm making the point about amalgamations and not for temporary marriages of convenience which I'm not a big fan of.

One other point - who are the most successful amalgamation in Laois? Rathdowney-Errill? Borris-Kilcotton? Not by a long shot. Camross and Killanure were two junior clubs in Laois before 1957. They amalgamated and their combined colours were black and amber. They won junior in 1957, Intermediate in 1958 and their first of 27 Laois senior titles in 1959. Most people don't even know they are an amalgamation. I'd say the kids in Killanure have a fairly solid identity.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on October 25, 2019, 11:22:07 AM
Absolutely agree but if you talk to an Errill or Rathdowney man and ask them why they play football separately they'll tell you Ah it's just to keep our club going to have our own identity. Fair enough if two clubs want to fully join up and create a big unit but that's not the way for all small clubs and if they want to amalgamate at underage and play separately at adult then in my opinion they should be allowed to. What matter if you have two intermediate clubs with two junior second teams rather than a senior club and two or three other teams. But I am looking at it from a football perspective so maybe there's slight differences that I'm missing too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 25, 2019, 01:15:55 PM
Quote from: Jd on October 25, 2019, 11:22:07 AM
What matter if you have two intermediate clubs with two junior second teams rather than a senior club and two or three other teams.

Matters hugely. It means the best players get to play at minor A or Senior level. Doing well at those levels brings huge energy and excitement to an area. Winning intermediates and juniors are grand but nothing compares to the lift an area gets from having some of their lads or lassies play in a senior county final. Also matters hugely to the county. Imagine a Laois senior football and hurling championship with 8 seriously competitive teams and what that does to our player pipelines in both codes. Underage development standards are strongly linked to senior prospects. Great examples are Castletown in hurling and indeed Rosenallis (Tinnahinch). Previously competitive senior teams who are hungry to get back to the top table and putting huge effort into developing players to get back there with some success. If your identity is competing at the highest level, then the culture in the area adapts to it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 15, 2019, 09:08:33 AM
Tom Clear paints a fairly rosy picture of Laois hurling in The Irish Times this morning. Hope his optimism is right!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 15, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 15, 2019, 09:08:33 AM
Tom Clear paints a fairly rosy picture of Laois hurling in The Irish Times this morning. Hope his optimism is right!

You don't have a link to it
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on November 15, 2019, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 15, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 15, 2019, 09:08:33 AM
Tom Clear paints a fairly rosy picture of Laois hurling in The Irish Times this morning. Hope his optimism is right!

You don't have a link to it

With the recent focus on St Mullins's big win, defeating twice All-Ireland champions Cuala from Dublin, the Carlow club have attracted a lot of attention. As a result their opponents in Sunday's Leinster club semi-final, Rathdowney-Errill, are flying a bit beneath the radar despite having visited an 18-point beating on Offaly's St Rynagh's in the quarter-final.

This is also despite a brilliant year to date for Laois hurling. McDonagh Cup winners and the first to defeat a MacCarthy Cup county when they eliminated Dublin in the All-Ireland preliminary quarter-final, the county now looks forward to a shot at reaching its first provincial club final in 18 years.

Tom Clear combines the roles of vice-chair of the Laois county board with chairing the hurling development committee, Coiste Iomána. He recalls the impact of the county team's success under Eddie Brennan.

"You couldn't buy a Laois jersey in the county coming up the Tipp quarter-final.

"It's been going great for a couple of reasons. First of all, the success of the seniors this summer and their two trips to Croke Park – winning the McDonagh Cup and the performances against Dublin and Tipperary, which were super, but now you have Rathdowney-Errill going to a Leinster semi-final."

Development

High-profile former Waterford manager and RTÉ Sunday Game pundit Derek McGrath has also come on board to help with the development of the Laois minors.

"We've also attracted a lot of people, the likes of Derek, who's coming in to work with our minors in an advisory and coaching role, and he has a serious pathway laid out for them to bring along the conveyor belt. Really, at the moment the hurling is very, very healthy.

"We've had the best part of 80 young lads in for trials for the minor panel over the last couple of months, so more and more want to come in and play because of the success and also the calibre of manager and trainer that we're bringing in – it's an exciting time for us."

Most of the country is probably thinking that Laois are going straight back down next year, but we're thinking differently

Clear is conscious that the challenge for a county like Laois is to survive contact with hurling's glass ceiling. Carlow had a commendably competitive summer in the MacCarthy Cup even though they lost all four matches, but they had to go down again to the McDonagh Cup.

"Probably the big thing for us in the coming year is to survive in Leinster, having showed this year that we can compete with the bigger teams. That's a big step."

Promotion

He argues that although the format won't change immediately, there would be merit in making promotion harder but affording a longer stay in the top flight for the teams that do rise.

"The way we're looking at it, an extra team should definitely be put into the top tier, and the team that comes up should be given a two-year window because in year one you're only getting to grips with it. The level of hurling goes up dramatically; it's faster and more skilful. It takes a year to get to grips with it and then the second year to stand up and be counted.

"Most of the country is probably thinking that Laois are going straight back down next year, but we're thinking differently.

"You can't just bring a team up and leave them there for two years, regardless of the top teams beating them. One way of doing it is like in some counties where you have to win it two years on the trot to go up to the top flight. Then you get two years to see if you can stay there. If you can't after two years, then you deserve to come back down."

Delivering

Laois will also be in the new, expanded Division One of the league next season – with two non-hierarchical groups – which will be a help for the county when the summer comes. Clear also points out that the development systems are delivering for the county, which he believes will be improved next year.

"We're confident with young lads coming through and there's definitely going to be maybe four or five add-ons to our senior panel from players who have come through minor and under-20 ranks in the past year or two."

In the meantime, there is one more target for 2019: Rathdowney-Errill, after their big win over Rynagh's (which was only the second win by a Laois club in Leinster in 14 years ), to reach the final.

 This hasn't been done by a club in the county since Castletown took eventual All-Ireland winners Birr to a replay in the 2001 Leinster final. Ideally, they would also bridge the 23-year gap since Camross became the most recent Laois club to win the provincial title.

 But take each fence as it comes.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 15, 2019, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: The PRO on November 15, 2019, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 15, 2019, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 15, 2019, 09:08:33 AM
Tom Clear paints a fairly rosy picture of Laois hurling in The Irish Times this morning. Hope his optimism is right!

You don't have a link to it

With the recent focus on St Mullins's big win, defeating twice All-Ireland champions Cuala from Dublin, the Carlow club have attracted a lot of attention. As a result their opponents in Sunday's Leinster club semi-final, Rathdowney-Errill, are flying a bit beneath the radar despite having visited an 18-point beating on Offaly's St Rynagh's in the quarter-final.

This is also despite a brilliant year to date for Laois hurling. McDonagh Cup winners and the first to defeat a MacCarthy Cup county when they eliminated Dublin in the All-Ireland preliminary quarter-final, the county now looks forward to a shot at reaching its first provincial club final in 18 years.

Tom Clear combines the roles of vice-chair of the Laois county board with chairing the hurling development committee, Coiste Iomána. He recalls the impact of the county team's success under Eddie Brennan.

"You couldn't buy a Laois jersey in the county coming up the Tipp quarter-final.

"It's been going great for a couple of reasons. First of all, the success of the seniors this summer and their two trips to Croke Park – winning the McDonagh Cup and the performances against Dublin and Tipperary, which were super, but now you have Rathdowney-Errill going to a Leinster semi-final."

Development

High-profile former Waterford manager and RTÉ Sunday Game pundit Derek McGrath has also come on board to help with the development of the Laois minors.

"We've also attracted a lot of people, the likes of Derek, who's coming in to work with our minors in an advisory and coaching role, and he has a serious pathway laid out for them to bring along the conveyor belt. Really, at the moment the hurling is very, very healthy.

"We've had the best part of 80 young lads in for trials for the minor panel over the last couple of months, so more and more want to come in and play because of the success and also the calibre of manager and trainer that we're bringing in – it's an exciting time for us."

Most of the country is probably thinking that Laois are going straight back down next year, but we're thinking differently

Clear is conscious that the challenge for a county like Laois is to survive contact with hurling's glass ceiling. Carlow had a commendably competitive summer in the MacCarthy Cup even though they lost all four matches, but they had to go down again to the McDonagh Cup.

"Probably the big thing for us in the coming year is to survive in Leinster, having showed this year that we can compete with the bigger teams. That's a big step."

Promotion

He argues that although the format won't change immediately, there would be merit in making promotion harder but affording a longer stay in the top flight for the teams that do rise.

"The way we're looking at it, an extra team should definitely be put into the top tier, and the team that comes up should be given a two-year window because in year one you're only getting to grips with it. The level of hurling goes up dramatically; it's faster and more skilful. It takes a year to get to grips with it and then the second year to stand up and be counted.

"Most of the country is probably thinking that Laois are going straight back down next year, but we're thinking differently.

"You can't just bring a team up and leave them there for two years, regardless of the top teams beating them. One way of doing it is like in some counties where you have to win it two years on the trot to go up to the top flight. Then you get two years to see if you can stay there. If you can't after two years, then you deserve to come back down."

Delivering

Laois will also be in the new, expanded Division One of the league next season – with two non-hierarchical groups – which will be a help for the county when the summer comes. Clear also points out that the development systems are delivering for the county, which he believes will be improved next year.

"We're confident with young lads coming through and there's definitely going to be maybe four or five add-ons to our senior panel from players who have come through minor and under-20 ranks in the past year or two."

In the meantime, there is one more target for 2019: Rathdowney-Errill, after their big win over Rynagh's (which was only the second win by a Laois club in Leinster in 14 years ), to reach the final.

This hasn't been done by a club in the county since Castletown took eventual All-Ireland winners Birr to a replay in the 2001 Leinster final. Ideally, they would also bridge the 23-year gap since Camross became the most recent Laois club to win the provincial title.

But take each fence as it comes.

Thanks for that
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 15, 2019, 08:38:53 PM
Very rosy indeed!
80 minor players?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 15, 2019, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 15, 2019, 08:38:53 PM
Very rosy indeed!
80 minor players?!

I heard low 60's

The first night they ran the trial in Borris in Ossary,it was on at the same time as the Minor B final and 31 turned up
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on November 16, 2019, 08:01:17 AM
Anyone know how often the Hurling Development committee meet or what have they done?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on November 25, 2019, 03:35:12 PM
Leinster GAA are running a coaching seminar for 12-17 year olds in Football and Hurling in the National Indoor Arena in Blanchardstown next Saturday. The 4-11 one last week was excellent but poorly attended. There seem to be places available still. Details at https://leinstergaa.ie/coaching/turas/turas-seminars/. I would recommend anyone involved in coaching to attend. It's in the NIA by the way, not the GAA centre.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on November 25, 2019, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on November 16, 2019, 08:01:17 AM
Anyone know how often the Hurling Development committee meet or what have they done?

I don't believe there is a hurling development committee.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 26, 2019, 08:24:45 AM
Quote from: merman on November 25, 2019, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on November 16, 2019, 08:01:17 AM
Anyone know how often the Hurling Development committee meet or what have they done?

I don't believe there is a hurling development committee.

Sorry to sound naive but there has to be no? I would be shocked beyond belief if this were true. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 26, 2019, 04:10:03 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on November 26, 2019, 08:24:45 AM
Quote from: merman on November 25, 2019, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on November 16, 2019, 08:01:17 AM
Anyone know how often the Hurling Development committee meet or what have they done?

I don't believe there is a hurling development committee.

Sorry to sound naive but there has to be no? I would be shocked beyond belief if this were true.

I don't think i ever heard tell of a hurling development committee meeting
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 26, 2019, 04:17:53 PM
There's a coaching committee chaired by Fergal Byron which is tasked with games development in the county.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on November 26, 2019, 04:18:52 PM
There was a hurling committee up until a couple of years but I don't think there has been one for a while now. I could be wrong but I'm from a predominantly huring club and know of no delegate from my club involved.

I'd be more worried by the lack of a Coaching and Games Committee. I appreciate there is a Games Manager now but I still think a committee of volunteers from outside the County Board/GDA side would be a real positive.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on November 28, 2019, 01:32:19 PM
Mike Henchy spoke to lads at u14 regional football  finals last night and he was driving home that if you are a dual player then you stay playing both so I suppose that's a start too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: seafoid on November 29, 2019, 07:18:39 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/coulter-takes-opportunity-to-shine-in-abu-dhabi-1.4099686?mode=amp

« Mention should also be made of Laois goalkeeper Enda Rowland, whose form between the posts in the county's McDonagh Cup-winning campaign earned him an All Star nomination.

Playing outfield here – with Cork's Anthony Nash taking the number one jersey – he scored four goals, which maybe gives Laois manager Eddie Brennan previously unconsidered options »
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Neutralobserver on December 03, 2019, 03:07:10 PM
ballyhale shamrocks an exceptional team as seen on sunday again and rathdowney/eirll not far off the rest of lenister teams. bodes well for our county teams this year hopefully.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 12, 2019, 07:34:14 PM
Players from 14 clubs announced on the Laois u15 and u16 squads today

Players from 16 clubs on the u14 panel,well done to Portarlington with 4 lads on it
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 12, 2019, 07:51:34 PM
I did a quick tally of the players and their clubs across the 3 squads

The Harps have 17
Camross 11
Abbeyleix 10
Portlaoise 9

Clough Ballacolla 8
Rathdowney Errill 8
Castletown 8

Borris Kilcotton 7
Park Ratheniska Timahoe 6
Mountrath 5

Rosenallis 5
Emo 4
Portarlington 4

Ballyfin 3
Clonad 3
Clonaslee 3

Ballinakill 2
Shanahoe 1
Mountmellick 1
Kilcavan 1
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mossy Bruce on December 12, 2019, 08:26:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on December 12, 2019, 07:51:34 PM
I did a quick tally of the players and their clubs across the 3 squads...
Jayz. Lots of Harps! That's great!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 12, 2019, 11:25:07 PM
Quote from: Mossy Bruce on December 12, 2019, 08:26:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on December 12, 2019, 07:51:34 PM
I did a quick tally of the players and their clubs across the 3 squads...
Jayz. Lots of Harps! That's great!

I think while it's laudable to congratulate the Harps,by even this rough metric,it proves yet again the sterling work they are doing at juvenile.

But from my perspective,it's good to see the club base being broadened,the likes of Port contributing hurlers now and the concern in relation to Mountmellick.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 13, 2019, 11:32:42 AM
Great to see laois underage hurling panelists coming from traditional football strongholds. HOPEFULLY this can promote the game further into these areas.
On a side note has anyone heard about the minor setup these year. Has Derek McGrath been able to put his stamp on the panel or is his role simply advisory.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on December 14, 2019, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 13, 2019, 11:32:42 AM
Great to see laois underage hurling panelists coming from traditional football strongholds. HOPEFULLY this can promote the game further into these areas.
On a side note has anyone heard about the minor setup these year. Has Derek McGrath been able to put his stamp on the panel or is his role simply advisory.
There is a great buzz in the minor panel and Derek McGrath is very involved. Has been at almost every training session (two to three a week ) and runs the entire session. The lads love him and he has really inspired them. There is huge potential in this panel and competition is very strong. Some of the in house training matches have been at championship pace despite the conditions and weather this time of year. There are some challenge matches coming up in the next few weeks against other county teams that will be interesting. There has been great attendance from the full panel (about forty I think). 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 14, 2019, 09:17:17 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on December 14, 2019, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 13, 2019, 11:32:42 AM
Great to see laois underage hurling panelists coming from traditional football strongholds. HOPEFULLY this can promote the game further into these areas.
On a side note has anyone heard about the minor setup these year. Has Derek McGrath been able to put his stamp on the panel or is his role simply advisory.
There is a great buzz in the minor panel and Derek McGrath is very involved. Has been at almost every training session (two to three a week ) and runs the entire session. The lads love him and he has really inspired them. There is huge potential in this panel and competition is very strong. Some of the in house training matches have been at championship pace despite the conditions and weather this time of year. There are some challenge matches coming up in the next few weeks against other county teams that will be interesting. There has been great attendance from the full panel (about forty I think).

I hope all that you say it's true,I really do

I hope to be looking back at your post in early July when we are in a Leinster final
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on December 14, 2019, 09:41:56 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on December 14, 2019, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 13, 2019, 11:32:42 AM
Great to see laois underage hurling panelists coming from traditional football strongholds. HOPEFULLY this can promote the game further into these areas.
On a side note has anyone heard about the minor setup these year. Has Derek McGrath been able to put his stamp on the panel or is his role simply advisory.
There is a great buzz in the minor panel and Derek McGrath is very involved. Has been at almost every training session (two to three a week ) and runs the entire session. The lads love him and he has really inspired them. There is huge potential in this panel and competition is very strong. Some of the in house training matches have been at championship pace despite the conditions and weather this time of year. There are some challenge matches coming up in the next few weeks against other county teams that will be interesting. There has been great attendance from the full panel (about forty I think).

While he has been there more than expected I think this post is way over the top numbers have been good but the training matches have been okay not near championship pace as you say .
The future however looks bright if we can bulk them up a bit
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 15, 2019, 12:22:50 PM
Seems to be a marked attempt to both eulogise and discredit this particular management set up. I'd be dubious, but every post seems to be one end of the extreme or the other!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on December 15, 2019, 12:26:13 PM
My source tells me only for Derek McGrath it would be a shambles
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 15, 2019, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on December 15, 2019, 12:26:13 PM
My source tells me only for Derek McGrath it would be a shambles
And is he there regularly?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on December 15, 2019, 01:27:16 PM
I'm only hearing positive things personally.
Not a shambles but then Batman may have higher expectations and demands more than I.

Derek McGrath has been at every training bar one. The players have been screened and have individual plans to complete between now and February. Numbers are high and training has been a mix of pitch and S&C work.
Its December; that all seems pretty good to me. I'm not really sure what more they should be doing.

There is certinly some personal resentment against the management team on here. The truth is probably somewhere between the polarised views we've seen over the last month or so. They're a committed group and have in Derek McGrath a very capable coach who seems to have taken the lead to all intents and purposes. Without him, I'd have had concerns but the fact remains we do have him and for as long ss he remains the dominant voice, that can only be a positive.
They could do everything right and still come up short in a quarter/semi-final. The added pressure and burden of expectation brought on by having a high-profile coach makes it hard for this group of players.

Very best of luck to them all. They're a talented bunch and hopefully they'll give a fair account of themselves this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on December 16, 2019, 11:34:22 AM
I think Merman makes a very good point. A talented underage team by Laois standards who do everything right could still easily fall short to a Kilkenny, Dublin or Wexford side in the Leinster championship. These counties are picking from a bigger pool of players and are always well coached at this level. If Laois are properly competitive in their games against these teams then the year will be a success.

It is very positive to hear that McGrath is taking the sessions and the players will benefit immensely for that. There is big turnouts at training and players are showing the requisite commitment. What more can you ask of lads in December.

 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 16, 2019, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on December 15, 2019, 12:26:13 PM
My source tells me only for Derek McGrath it would be a shambles

This would be surprising. I have been very impressed with the Laois minor set up for quite a number of years. They have the same training facilities as a senior set up with all the supports you would expect from a nutrition, physio, transport and physical conditioning perspective. Last years setup under Enda Lyons for example was very impressive. Even when we had teams that not much was expected the setup was of a high standard. Derek McGrath might be bringing freshness to the hurling itself but to paint a picture that the approach would have been a disaster without him is unfair. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on December 16, 2019, 02:52:55 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on December 16, 2019, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on December 15, 2019, 12:26:13 PM
My source tells me only for Derek McGrath it would be a shambles

This would be surprising. I have been very impressed with the Laois minor set up for quite a number of years. They have the same training facilities as a senior set up with all the supports you would expect from a nutrition, physio, transport and physical conditioning perspective. Last years setup under Enda Lyons for example was very impressive. Even when we had teams that not much was expected the setup was of a high standard. Derek McGrath might be bringing freshness to the hurling itself but to paint a picture that the approach would have been a disaster without him is unfair. 

Hopefully they give a good account of themselves. Hopefully Derek McGrath's brains can be picked to help in any shape or form for player's development across the ages.

I see potentially Ballypickas look to be pulling away from Raheen Parish Gaels at juvenile level and joining with Ballinakill underage. Leaves 1-2 teams short in numbers however but logistical point of view would make sense.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2019, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: Helix. on December 16, 2019, 02:52:55 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on December 16, 2019, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Batman!!! on December 15, 2019, 12:26:13 PM
My source tells me only for Derek McGrath it would be a shambles

This would be surprising. I have been very impressed with the Laois minor set up for quite a number of years. They have the same training facilities as a senior set up with all the supports you would expect from a nutrition, physio, transport and physical conditioning perspective. Last years setup under Enda Lyons for example was very impressive. Even when we had teams that not much was expected the setup was of a high standard. Derek McGrath might be bringing freshness to the hurling itself but to paint a picture that the approach would have been a disaster without him is unfair. 

Hopefully they give a good account of themselves. Hopefully Derek McGrath's brains can be picked to help in any shape or form for player's development across the ages.

I see potentially Ballypickas look to be pulling away from Raheen Parish Gaels at juvenile level and joining with Ballinakill underage. Leaves 1-2 teams short in numbers however but logistical point of view would make sense.

It's that time of year when the bed hopping starts

In the last 2 years

Ballinakill have been in with Ratheniska and Abbeyleix at Juvenile level.

Each a short term marriage of convenience which doesn't do anyone any favors

If the juvenile board were any use,only amalgamations with a minimum 3/5  year term should be allowed 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on December 16, 2019, 04:34:16 PM
ClonadMad its something the GDA seem to be eager to tackle. Clubs should take advice from these people as they are objective and have no vested interests in the clubs they are dealing with.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2019, 04:48:52 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on December 16, 2019, 04:34:16 PM
ClonadMad its something the GDA seem to be eager to tackle. Clubs should take advice from these people as they are objective and have no vested interests in the clubs they are dealing with.

The power resides with the Coiste na Nog committee on the county board,the GDA's and clubs can suggest all they want,the decision resides with them and one man in particular.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 12, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
Derek McGrath coaching Faythe Harriers

You'd wonder how he's going to coach our minors with a Wexford senior team
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on January 12, 2020, 09:16:57 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 12, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
Derek McGrath coaching Faythe Harriers

You'd wonder how he's going to coach our minors with a Wexford senior team

According to some on here, Derek McGrath must he finishing up shortly as he is only involved on a limited basis..........


Faythe Harriers posted the following on their Facebook page:

The Club is delighted to announce that Tony 'Sack' Walsh will manage our senior hurling team for the coming year 2020. We want to wish Tony and his management team the very best of luck for the year ahead. They will be supported by Derek McGrath who will be providing back up support and advice on certain occasions throughout the year. Derek's involvement is limited throughout the year as we understand his full commitment lies with the Laois minors. In saying that we are excited to have someone of Derek's calibre involved. Safe to say we are in steady hands and look forward to the year ahead.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 13, 2020, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: merman on January 12, 2020, 09:16:57 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 12, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
Derek McGrath coaching Faythe Harriers

You'd wonder how he's going to coach our minors with a Wexford senior team

According to some on here, Derek McGrath must he finishing up shortly as he is only involved on a limited basis..........


Faythe Harriers posted the following on their Facebook page:

The Club is delighted to announce that Tony 'Sack' Walsh will manage our senior hurling team for the coming year 2020. We want to wish Tony and his management team the very best of luck for the year ahead. They will be supported by Derek McGrath who will be providing back up support and advice on certain occasions throughout the year. Derek's involvement is limited throughout the year as we understand his full commitment lies with the Laois minors. In saying that we are excited to have someone of Derek's calibre involved. Safe to say we are in steady hands and look forward to the year ahead.

He's getting close to a 5 figure tax free sum for his back up support and advice with them
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 14, 2020, 05:26:30 PM
That's a most unusual statement from Faythe Harriers!
I've never seen a statement go so far to assuage the possible concerns of a totally unconnected group (Laois GAA).
Bizarre!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 25, 2020, 11:08:09 AM
I see where Birr beat Mountrath CS by 9 or 10 points in the senior B final. Anybody at the game? Any potential for the senior team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on March 19, 2020, 11:03:03 AM
It's a pity to see the Feile has been cancelled this year. I know in the grand scheme of things it is not life or death, but it's like your last year as a minor - you can't repeat it. Speaking of which, I hope this year is not a wash out. A lot of time and effort has been put into our county minor hurlers and we probably have the most talented squad we have had for years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on March 19, 2020, 01:58:08 PM
I can see most championships revert to straight knock-out when we do resume playing games ahead in order to clear the back log of games. It would be a real pity if this Laois team is deprived an opportunity to have a proper crack at beating one of the counties higher up the food-chain in Leinster. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 19, 2020, 02:11:14 PM
It would be just our luck. But as the fella says 'we are where we are'.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 21, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
This could be a good chance to move back to u18 for minor and u21 instead of u20. Both switches have been a failure anyway and it would ensure young players dont miss out.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 21, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 21, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
This could be a good chance to move back to u18 for minor and u21 instead of u20. Both switches have been a failure anyway and it would ensure young players dont miss out.

Bit of a leap for lads playing u15 to them go playing u18
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on March 21, 2020, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 21, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 21, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
This could be a good chance to move back to u18 for minor and u21 instead of u20. Both switches have been a failure anyway and it would ensure young players dont miss out.

Bit of a leap for lads playing u15 to them go playing u18

Anyone have any good tips on hurling coaching resources online to have a look at if we go into lock down?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 22, 2020, 02:06:17 AM
Quote from: Helix. on March 21, 2020, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 21, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 21, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
This could be a good chance to move back to u18 for minor and u21 instead of u20. Both switches have been a failure anyway and it would ensure young players dont miss out.

Bit of a leap for lads playing u15 to them go playing u18

Anyone have any good tips on hurling coaching resources online to have a look at if we go into lock down?


Here ya go.....

https://learning.gaa.ie/hurlingskills
https://learning.gaa.ie/CoachingManuals
https://gaelicgameseurope.com/resources/coaching/hurling-drills/
https://coaching.dublingaa.ie/resources
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on March 22, 2020, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 22, 2020, 02:06:17 AM
Quote from: Helix. on March 21, 2020, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 21, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 21, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
This could be a good chance to move back to u18 for minor and u21 instead of u20. Both switches have been a failure anyway and it would ensure young players dont miss out.

Bit of a leap for lads playing u15 to them go playing u18

Cheers 👍🏻

Anyone have any good tips on hurling coaching resources online to have a look at if we go into lock down?


Here ya go.....

https://learning.gaa.ie/hurlingskills
https://learning.gaa.ie/CoachingManuals
https://gaelicgameseurope.com/resources/coaching/hurling-drills/
https://coaching.dublingaa.ie/resources
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on May 11, 2020, 10:14:23 PM
Hello Folks,
Hope all are keeping well in these strange times, greatly missing the games at all ages
whats our verdict here do we think we will get to hurl at all this year ? Personally I think we will be back in action in August September with club action, hopefully numbers will stay falling
Are all club teams still preparing for a July return training on their own, following programmes or has everything stopped

So hard to envisage a year with nothing ahead
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on May 12, 2020, 02:00:02 PM
Not a hope of GAA in 2020. Are you living under a rock? GAA are going to get rude awaking because a lot of players won't go back due to the chance of infection.
John Horan more less said the other night there won't be anything
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on May 12, 2020, 05:01:18 PM
Have to agree with Batman. there is no chance of any GAA action this year, John Horan effectively outlined that there will be no games or training session if social distancing is still in play and social distancing is not going away before the end of the year i'm afraid!! There would also be uproar if someone passes away from getting covid directly or indirectly due to a hurling or football match and the GAA simply wont allow themselves to be in that position!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 12, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
I must be living under the same rock as Ogie because I also expect games come the autumn.
The rate in the increase of cases is under 1% and falling; if this continues then it is absolutely feasible that we could have contact sport in 3 months time.

Of course, maybe we wont but the rush from some people to draw a line through the year and rule everything out is tiresome.

Is it such a bad thing to maintain the hope that we'll have an autumn of hurling and football?
Is it such a bad thing that young lads can continue to train and exercise in the hope that they'll get to be part of a team environment down the line?

I'd imagine most club players are still doing some running and maybe conditioning work if they can. There will be an ebb and flow; some weeks there'll be savage motivation, other weeks it'll wane.

The priority for us all is to stay healthy....and that includes mentally.
I'm perfectly happy to keep in the back of my mind that we could have a condensed club season in the autumn. I'd imagine plenty are thinking similarly.

And if it turns out we don't; so be it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on May 13, 2020, 01:00:00 AM
Eloquent & accurate as always Merman,
Thanks for some perspective, I agree, every other sport including horse racing, soccer, golf, rugby etc all talking about ways to get back playing, while every report being issued or people speaking about our GAA want to dash any hope, like the sports joe headline '1/5th of players do not want to go back playing until vaccine, 3/5ths did!! 1/5th didn't know'
As Colm O Rourke said last week, when do we stop just exhisting and get back to living,
We
All have family & want our health, but without all the scare mongering that RTE have been doing, I do believe things will return to normal sooner rather than later, with work re opening of numbers stay low we can have hope & start to live again.
No GAA until social distancing is gone will be changed by August I believe anyway.
Let's try have some hope of getting back to the fields & living again!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on May 13, 2020, 10:06:19 AM
So, here's my guess at what might happen.

In mid-July, clubs may be allowed to recommence collective training. Unfortunately, unless there's absolutely no danger of anyone contracting or spreading the virus at that point in time, not every player will be in a position to return to training. I'm aware of at least three lads in one senior football club who are adamant that they won't be returning to collective training anytime soon (or any other social contact) because of underlying conditions in their family unit (children, parents or partners).

So, following on from that, can a club championship begin in August or even September, with some or many teams affected by certain players being unavailable? My guess is no. I think that leagues might actually be the method of getting hurling and football recommenced.

Leagues aren't as important as championships and clubs have always played them without all their players. I think everyone would love to see games recommencing as soon as it's safe and there would be great delight in clubs meeting again and hosting one another in a less than fully competitive environment.

Hope all of you are keeping well and getting through. The best summary of it I saw was some random post on social media from a young lad recently along the lines of "God, wouldn't ya love to be down in the field on an evening like this driving a whole pile of shots wide in the warm up for training!"

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on May 13, 2020, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: merman on May 12, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
I must be living under the same rock as Ogie because I also expect games come the autumn.
The rate in the increase of cases is under 1% and falling; if this continues then it is absolutely feasible that we could have contact sport in 3 months time.

Of course, maybe we wont but the rush from some people to draw a line through the year and rule everything out is tiresome.

Is it such a bad thing to maintain the hope that we'll have an autumn of hurling and football?
Is it such a bad thing that young lads can continue to train and exercise in the hope that they'll get to be part of a team environment down the line?

I'd imagine most club players are still doing some running and maybe conditioning work if they can. There will be an ebb and flow; some weeks there'll be savage motivation, other weeks it'll wane.

The priority for us all is to stay healthy....and that includes mentally.
I'm perfectly happy to keep in the back of my mind that we could have a condensed club season in the autumn. I'd imagine plenty are thinking similarly.

And if it turns out we don't; so be it.

I am not trying to be negative or bring people down. I would love noting more than to be heading to Croker or to O Moore Park for club championship action this weekend, I miss it something fierce like the majority of gaels. But we also have to be realistic, this is going to get worse before it gets better as we try get out of this nightmare step by step and if you just listing to any of the experts, social distancing will be the very last thing yo be removed and that is not happening in 2020 I am afraid!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on May 18, 2020, 05:43:39 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-must-balance-risk-and-reward-of-return-otherwise-they-face-sporting-irrelevance-39210737.html
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 11, 2020, 03:46:12 PM
Laois Minor Hurling Championship to start 10th of August
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on June 27, 2020, 08:37:47 PM
How will clubs cone out of the lockdown or who's favourites for our hurling titles?
Close between the 'top 4' in senior hurling, barring major surprises they should make up the semi finalists, Borris Kilcotton Camross Clough Ballacolla & Rathdowney Errill
On the day after that with those 4

Premier intermediate should finally be The Harps, probably overcoming Portlaoise or maybe a newly enthused Colt-Shanahoe
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 28, 2020, 01:05:27 PM
Hard to argue Ogie, but I don't know if Clough Ballacolla can genuinely be considered part of that group any more. Maybe they will prove me wrong!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 29, 2020, 01:15:30 PM
Under 13 Hurling

A Championship  (12)

Borris-in-Ossory Kilcotton
Camross
Castletown
Clough Ballacolla
Na Fianna
Park Ratheniska Timahoe
Porlaoise
Rathdowney Errill
Rosenallis
St Fintans Mountrath
St. Lazerians Abbeyleix
The Harps


B Championship (7)

Ballinakill/Ballypickas
Clonad
Na Fianna B
Portarlington
Portlaoise B
Raithin Og
St Pauls

R1 - Fri 7 Aug
R2 - Fri 14 Aug
R3 - Fri 21 Aug
R4 - Fri 28 Aug
R5 - Fri 4 Sept
R6 - Sun 13 Sept
R7 - Sun 4 Oct
R8 - Sun 18 Oct
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 29, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
Under 15 Hurling

A Championship

Borris-in-Ossory Kilcotton
Camross
Castletown
Clough Ballacolla
Portlaoise
Rathdowney Errill
St. Lazerians Abbeyleix
The Harps






B Championship (7)

Ballinakill/Ballypickas
Na Fianna
Park Ratheniska Timahoe
Portarlington
Raheen Parish Gaels
Rosenallis
St Fintans Mountrath

R1 - Wed 5 Aug
R2 - Wed 19 Aug
R3 - Wed 2 Sept
R4 - Sat 26 Sept
R5 - Sat 10 Oct
R6 - Sat 24 Oct

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 29, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Under 17 Hurling

A Championship (10)

Borris-in-Ossory Kilcotton
Camross
Castletown
Clough Ballacolla
Na Fianna A
Portlaoise
Rathdowney Errill
Rosenallis
St. Lazerians Abbeyleix
The Harps




B Championship (5)

Park Ratheniska Timahoe
Ballinakill/Ballypickas
Na Fianna B
Raheen Parish Gaels
St Fintans Mountrath



R1 - Mon 10 Aug
R2 - Mon 17 Aug
R3 - Mon 24 Aug
R4 - Mon 31 Aug
R5 - Fri 11 Sept
R6 - Fri 18 Sept

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 30, 2020, 10:33:08 AM
Thanks ClonadMad.

Can you tell us who makes up the following teams;

Raithin Og (U13B)
Na Fianna A&B (U13-U17)

Do Clonaslee, Ballyfin or Mountmellick not have a single juvenile team of their own?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 30, 2020, 09:56:57 PM
Colt/ Shanahoe and Ballyfin/ M'mellick/ Clonaslee.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 30, 2020, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on June 30, 2020, 10:33:08 AM
Thanks ClonadMad.

Can you tell us who makes up the following teams;

Raithin Og (U13B)
Na Fianna A&B (U13-U17)

Do Clonaslee, Ballyfin or Mountmellick not have a single juvenile team of their own?


It's a pity to see that neither of those 3 clubs see fit to enter teams on their own even at B level.

Clonaslee seem to fallen off a cliff in the last few 2/3 years as a juvenile club
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 02, 2020, 07:34:18 AM
Ah ok, I see now that Clonad are going solo at u13 level.
As well as Ballyfin, Mountmellick & Clonaslee, are Na Fianna likely to draw from a collection of other clubs also? The likes of Kilcavan, Emo, even Slieve Bloom?

Overall it's good to see so many clubs taking the plunge at A level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 02, 2020, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 02, 2020, 07:34:18 AM
Ah ok, I see now that Clonad are going solo at u13 level.
As well as Ballyfin, Mountmellick & Clonaslee, are Na Fianna likely to draw from a collection of other clubs also? The likes of Kilcavan, Emo, even Slieve Bloom?

Overall it's good to see so many clubs taking the plunge at A level.

Na Fianna are the "designated club" for Slieve Bloom even though a lot of their Juveniles have  transferred to Castletown in the last year.

Emo would be part of St.Pauls and they would be then isolated players from u15 onwards

In fairness to Sean Connolly he has been resisting valiantly the natural inclination of a lot of clubs to automatically head for the B and maybe pick up a handy cup.

If you have the numbers or anything approaching the level required,he will grade you in the A,end of story
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 02, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
Fair play to him for that, but he also seems to have been a very active driver of the evolution of that "superclub" over the last 10 years.
I keep saying it, but it really isn't acceptable in my opinion.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 02, 2020, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on July 02, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
Fair play to him for that, but he also seems to have been a very active driver of the evolution of that "superclub" over the last 10 years.
I keep saying it, but it really isn't acceptable in my opinion.

Yes there's seems to be an element of looking after na fianna first and foremost when it comes to things like gradings and bringing in more clubs into that amalgamation

The likes of Ballyfin,Slieve Bloom,Mountmellick and Clonaslee should be able to stand on their own especially at 13 a side u13 even if they all have to go into the B

It's doing nothing for the development of those 4 clubs having a whole load of lads standing on a sideline

Fair enough if you don't have the numbers in any given year,then there's a case to be made 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on July 02, 2020, 10:05:25 PM
Slieve Blooms future has been taken away with those transfers, over a jersey? How it was let happen is a disgrace. Realistically no player in Laois should be granted a transfer to another club inside the county, particularly a lad from a junior/small club to a senior club, bar its something like a lad moving from clonaslee to graiguecullen other than that its a small enough county, lads from every club regardless of grade should be given an oppurtunity to hurl or kick senior.

Regarding mass amalgamations at underage i feel every club should make an effort to try go solo for as long as possible even if it means playing B, Rosenallis are a prime example of this and you can see the benefits of it now for them. And even if some smaller clubs feel the need to go together they should try go with a club of simular size, surely better for kilcavan and the rock playing football together than sending young lads into mountmellick as it for mountmellick too, same with Ballinakill going with Ballypickas in hurling rather than taking lads into Abbeyleix or The Harps who have numbers on their own

All you have to do is look over the ditches where galmoy/windgap is the only underage amalgamation in Kilkenny, Ballyhale play at C level sometimes if they have to, meanwhile in Offaly you have Birr going in with two other clubs at some grades to make up teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on July 04, 2020, 08:34:26 PM
Did I see it said Peter Hally is now leaving our GDA team ??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 04, 2020, 09:08:54 PM
We seem to have trouble holding onto our GDAs?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 05, 2020, 12:48:36 AM
We seem to have trouble holding onto our good GDA's

Andrew Kavanagh,Colm Begley and now Peter Hally all gone

We have a budget in place for 5 gda's and a games manager.

We have never been able to fill all the roles at once or keep the good ones on board
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 06, 2020, 10:40:54 AM
it's strange. Being a GDA seems like a good job to have. You'd wonder why we can't hang on to them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on July 07, 2020, 08:50:23 AM
There is a lot of weekend and evening work involved with the job. Apart from schools, no club wants a GDA during the day Monday to Friday. I'd imagine having a social life would be quite difficult. I have to say all the GDA's we have had have always been more than willing to help clubs when asked and have brought value to every session. Peter will be missed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 27, 2020, 02:24:15 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on July 07, 2020, 08:50:23 AM
There is a lot of weekend and evening work involved with the job. Apart from schools, no club wants a GDA during the day Monday to Friday. I'd imagine having a social life would be quite difficult. I have to say all the GDA's we have had have always been more than willing to help clubs when asked and have brought value to every session. Peter will be missed.

I'd agree with you there. I always find them very helpful when they come to our club.

Is there any word on a replacement for Peter Halley.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: CluainABU on August 04, 2020, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on July 02, 2020, 10:05:25 PM
Slieve Blooms future has been taken away with those transfers, over a jersey? How it was let happen is a disgrace. Realistically no player in Laois should be granted a transfer to another club inside the county, particularly a lad from a junior/small club to a senior club, bar its something like a lad moving from clonaslee to graiguecullen other than that its a small enough county, lads from every club regardless of grade should be given an oppurtunity to hurl or kick senior.

Regarding mass amalgamations at underage i feel every club should make an effort to try go solo for as long as possible even if it means playing B, Rosenallis are a prime example of this and you can see the benefits of it now for them. And even if some smaller clubs feel the need to go together they should try go with a club of simular size, surely better for kilcavan and the rock playing football together than sending young lads into mountmellick as it for mountmellick too, same with Ballinakill going with Ballypickas in hurling rather than taking lads into Abbeyleix or The Harps who have numbers on their own

All you have to do is look over the ditches where galmoy/windgap is the only underage amalgamation in Kilkenny, Ballyhale play at C level sometimes if they have to, meanwhile in Offaly you have Birr going in with two other clubs at some grades to make up teams.

I hear what you're saying @Ballyroan Abbey re. clubs of similar sizes going together, as opposed to "super clubs". However, especially at Juvenile level, for most parents, they are not going to travel unreasonable distances to play GAA, with a similar sized club, if there's a soccer pitch, or rugby pitch closer. If there's a neighboring GAA club, no matter how big the numbers, then that's the more practical option.

On the option of clubs like Clonaslee and Slieve Bloom going on their own at U13, which @clonadmad mentions, I don't believe that's an option either, like you said. Slieve Bloom have been cleaned out at juvenile by Castletown, who are the same parish, so it's difficult to see how they will recover. I believe Trumera are on their own at a few juvenile grades this year too and finding numbers though. For clubs like those mentioned, I think amalgamation is the realistic route to survival. For that to work, you really need to be looking at your neighboring clubs. Whatever about the options for Clonaslee, given their location, Slieve Bloom should be a strong candidate not just from their own perspective, but also from the perspective of other clubs in the vicinity - which includes Castletown, despite the recent difficulties between both clubs. If they end up going in with the likes of Ballyfin, Mountrath or whoever else on a full amalgamation, the parish rule that cleaned them out, might have the opposite effect with that "super club" and bolster numbers in that new arrangement.

The "super club" isn't a fad. Whether it be for the benefits it brings in terms playing numbers, resources ($$$), number of pitches etc. etc., IMO it makes a lot more sense to have players representing your area in a healthy "super club" and using your club grounds as part of that setup, when the alternative is watching your club slowly decline, while you wait for what?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 06, 2020, 12:46:13 AM
Just on this.
I think Clonaslee have proved themselves a bit difficult to work with at underage level. And you can't exactly criticize Rosenallis for how their solo run has gone.
Similarly from enquiries I have made Slieve Bloom may well have shot themselves in the foot regarding their former juvenile arrangement. Reports of almost zero involvement in coaching teams and (unbelievable if true) their club not even being represented on juvenile committees over a number of years wouldn't draw much sympathy.
Only those involved know the full story in all of the instances. Pity. There did seem to be potentially successful arrangements between Clonaslee & Rosenallis and Castletown/Slieve Bloom. Rosenallis appear to be the only ones who have emerged from all of this in a positive position.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 07, 2020, 10:58:41 AM
Will there be any underage intercounty hurling this year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on August 10, 2020, 01:59:49 PM
Are we back to two weeks of senior teams training in parks & farmers fields again??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on August 10, 2020, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: Ogie on August 10, 2020, 01:59:49 PM
Are we back to two weeks of senior teams training in parks & farmers fields again??
It's soul destroying. Personally, I can see the rationale for the "LOKdown" but I feel sorry for the young lads who've been working hard for the past couple of months trying to prepare as best possible for their championships.
The whole shebang must be in doubt at this stage. Best case scenario, the semi finals and finals will be played after Laois senior footballers and hurlers exit their respective championships.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on August 10, 2020, 05:25:28 PM
Not at all, we'll be back playing championship the week after this lockdown, if not sooner

I hope the Gaa decide tonight to keep the pitches open, allow training in groups of 15, to make life easier on all clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on August 10, 2020, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: Ogie on August 10, 2020, 05:25:28 PM
I hope the Gaa decide tonight to keep the pitches open, allow training in groups of 15, to make life easier on all clubs
That's happened anyway🙂
It's a chink of light in the dark. Lot depends on the numbers for the next 10 days. Zero today in Laois is good.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on August 30, 2020, 09:01:45 PM
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/569192/limerick-gaa-launch-review-into-the-nuts-and-bolts-of-post-primary-schools-hurling.html

Anyone think we need to implement something like this? When a county like Limerick is doing it sure we need too when our Post Primary section is so weak. Are our county board supporting our Post Primary schools? These schools should be mini academy's producing future senior hurlers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on September 07, 2020, 09:42:03 AM
Laois minors training over the weekend and a young lad gets knocked out and brought to hospital. Ends up with 5 staples in his head and will miss next 2 games of his club championship.  Worst thing is family will have to cover medical expenses as no County training allowed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on September 07, 2020, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on September 07, 2020, 09:42:03 AM
Laois minors training over the weekend and a young lad gets knocked out and brought to hospital. Ends up with 5 staples in his head and will miss next 2 games of his club championship.  Worst thing is family will have to cover medical expenses as no County training allowed.
Without knowing anything about this, if it is as described by you, the family would have a good case to either seek legal redress from the county board or at least have all expenses covered by the county board.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 07, 2020, 10:30:24 AM
Surely this is an instance where CB officers use their discretion and quietly settle any bills required.
Unless of course the team was training without the CB's knowledge? Hard to imagine that they would be.

I was one of the sceptics, but apparently it's going fairly well?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on September 23, 2020, 03:51:07 PM
Minor semi finals this weekend
R/E v Abbeyleix
The harps v Rosenallis.
Rosenallis seem to be the favourites to win it out
Unbelievable work if they could win a minor A to go with their success over the last few years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on September 23, 2020, 04:18:10 PM
I stand to be corrected but I think Abbeyleix won with this crop at U12; Clough/Ballacolla at U13, Borris/Kilcotton at U14 and Rathdowney/Errill at U15.
It's been a great grade.

I think Rosenallis might well win it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 23, 2020, 09:39:39 PM
Rosenallis I'd fancy to win the minor A also

Mountrath after winning the minor B for the second year in a row

Camross to win the u15 A

Mountrath to win the u15 B

The harps to win the u13 A

Prt or mountrath to win the u13 B
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 24, 2020, 09:41:05 AM
With such a great spread between teams over the age groups and not one dominating what is the standard like?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 24, 2020, 10:35:12 AM
Well, Mountrath do seem strong in all the B comps. Some fancy Port for the u15 B. In any case, Mountrath and Port. will be in the final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2020, 12:03:41 PM
Good to see some progress in Mountrath. With all of the amalgamations and "temporary little arrangements" B competitions have become exceptionally weak however.
In the past you'd find at least 2 of the two bigger clubs in the B in any given year when they had a less talented group or small numbers.
For better or worse this doesn't happen any more and the B competitions have very few participants.
Still, all they can do is try to generate interest etc. and try to arrest the slide they are on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 24, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 24, 2020, 10:35:12 AM
Well, Mountrath do seem strong in all the B comps. Some fancy Port for the u15 B. In any case, Mountrath and Port. will be in the final.

I'd concur with you on that

Good to see both Port and St.Pauls continuing to hurl up the age grades
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 24, 2020, 12:08:21 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2020, 12:03:41 PM
Good to see some progress in Mountrath. With all of the amalgamations and "temporary little arrangements" B competitions have become exceptionally weak however.
In the past you'd find at least 2 of the two bigger clubs in the B in any given year when they had a less talented group or small numbers.
For better or worse this doesn't happen any more and the B competitions have very few participants.
Still, all they can do is try to generate interest etc. and try to arrest the slide they are on.

What clubs have "temporary little arrangements" in the B at u13/15 or minor this year

The only one which can be accused of that is Na fianna whoshould have Ballyfin mountmellick and Clonaslee standing on their own in the b but they are hurling A in that amalgamation  this year?

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
No, I meant that clubs aren't standing alone and entering B competitions anymore, they are joining up (some long term and some temporarily) to hurl in A competitions instead. Not that teams are joining up and hurling in the B.
I can see that it wasn't worded very clearly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 24, 2020, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
No, I meant that clubs aren't standing alone and entering B competitions anymore, they are joining up (some long term and some temporarily) to hurl in A competitions instead. Not that teams are joining up and hurling in the B.
I can see that it wasn't worded very clearly.

I don't think it's a bad thing that clubs are ambitious and want to hurl A

It's better that than trying to duck A and win a handy cup in the B

I'd always be of the opinion better to be competitive in the A rather than winning the B if you could
At all in order to develop lads long term.

Short term amalgamations though should be addressed though,we have one this year as opposed to other years when you could have a plethora of them.

I'd also encourage a development competition at u11 and u13 for the football clubs where they have to put in hurling teams.

We need to broaden our hurling base,it's minuscule  in comparison to every other Liam mcCarthy county
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2020, 02:23:40 PM
Ye we have that discussion round & round every few weeks.
I have no problem with join ups that are sensible, necessary, sustainable and long term. I'd see the likes of RPG in those terms. In fact I'd encourage these.
I have made my feelings known on one grade or one year arrangements. If you want to do that to compete in the A, you should first have to show that it's not possible to compete on your own in the B. That has been my position for quite a while!
Starting to sound like my opinion carries clout, apologies, it most definitely doesn't! Not even in my own house!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on October 03, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
Congratulations to Abbeyleix on winning the Minor A hurling championship last night. This was probably the keenest contested championship for years and there are a lot of disappointed teams out there. Unlike most years, probably seven of the ten teams fancied their chances and it took a very good team to win it.
The focus will now turn to the county minor team who face Offaly on the 17th. There is huge competition for places on the starting team and hopefully they will go well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on October 03, 2020, 09:43:55 AM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on October 03, 2020, 09:18:15 AM
Congratulations to Abbeyleix on winning the Minor A hurling championship last night. This was probably the keenest contested championship for years and there are a lot of disappointed teams out there. Unlike most years, probably seven of the ten teams fancied their chances and it took a very good team to win it.
The focus will now turn to the county minor team who face Offaly on the 17th. There is huge competition for places on the starting team and hopefully they will go well.

Is Derek Mc Grath still involved with the minors?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 03, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
Derek mc grath still heavily involved. Offaly first if they get over that, then the winners of antrim/kildare which would lead them to a potential semi final against Dublin. This group have beaten all the major counties in leinster on the way up including kilkenny so with the talented panel involved its a real chance.
As regards the county final last night it was a real war of attrition and the Harps seemed to be affected  more by the 6 day turn around. The future is bright for both clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 03, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
Underage is all about development and progressing these young players, creating a pathway to senior hurling, a lifelong attitude of trying to improve and enjoying the challenge. We would all love a successful minor team but lets not put too much pressure on these lads.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 03, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
Anyone have details of the actual Panel?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on October 03, 2020, 11:24:38 PM
Certainly down one after Jim O'Connor had a bad knee injury last night in minor final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 05, 2020, 11:29:24 AM
Great game. It was very tense and everybody gave it everything. Great win for our lads who have improved steadily from u14 to minor. Didn't really figure in the shake up at u14 three years ago. Delighted for the lads over the team who have put in savage work. The style of play was really good to watch. The Harps drove a lot of wides and this seemed to drain their confidence. Also a couple of injuries impacted them. The dribbler did a good job reffing it too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on October 08, 2020, 12:13:17 PM
Mad Mentor,
I would suggest you take down that video link, not sure where it was got or available but I know the management team, who I have been critical of, have put in massive work behind the scenes going to games, I don't think we should hand this to Offaly to study
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 08, 2020, 03:35:30 PM
Jayz I think I'd take down that video. Not so sure its a good idea to be putting that up online for all other counties to view.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 08, 2020, 03:55:59 PM
Waterford probably put it up online.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 08, 2020, 04:03:19 PM
Some tidy hurlers there.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 08, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
Clonadmad and Burdizzo should delete their posts too as the link is embedded in their replies
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 08, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 08, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
Clonadmad and Burdizzo should delete their posts too as the link is embedded in their replies

Is it not publicly accessible on YouTube?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 08, 2020, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 08, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 08, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
Clonadmad and Burdizzo should delete their posts too as the link is embedded in their replies

Is it not publicly accessible on YouTube?

I doubt it. I'd say it's a private channel for the players. Lot's of teams use this method to show games and clips to players
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 08, 2020, 06:04:28 PM
Well, I deleted mine, anyway. I don't know what Waterford minors are supposed to be like this year, but a draw would be a respectable enough result, no?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 09, 2020, 10:00:41 AM
If that game was played on the 6th

It was in breach of GAA covid regulations which doesn't allow minor Inter county challenge games
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 09, 2020, 10:08:52 AM
And if we're going down that road there was no social distancing on the line. Fair few people attending the game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 09, 2020, 10:45:09 AM
All of which means it'd be far better for everyone if the video was deleted!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 09, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
ClonadMad is not for turning it seems!  :D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 09, 2020, 01:54:16 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 09, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
ClonadMad is not for turning it seems!  :D

I have deleted my post which contained the link
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 09, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 09, 2020, 01:54:16 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 09, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
ClonadMad is not for turning it seems!  :D

I have deleted my post which contained the link

Uh, no you haven't.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 09, 2020, 02:21:17 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 09, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 09, 2020, 01:54:16 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 09, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
ClonadMad is not for turning it seems!  :D

I have deleted my post which contained the link

Uh, no you haven't.

Oh yes I have
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 09, 2020, 04:57:21 PM
Starting to sound like The Donald now!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 09, 2020, 07:47:24 PM
Anyone have any idea of the minor squad then?

Or

What a starting team will look like?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 09, 2020, 10:15:43 PM
 I imagine the team that started against waterford will be very close to the team that starts against offaly. I believe theres a panel of 40.

Quote from: clonadmad on October 09, 2020, 07:47:24 PM
Anyone have any idea of the minor squad then?

Or

What a starting team will look like?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 09, 2020, 11:07:30 PM
Anyone willing and able to PM a rough idea of what the starting team might look like? I understand you might not want it posted here.
Be interesting to see considering they are highly rated and seem to be going well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 09, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Breakdown going on waterforg game is
4 from clough ballacolla
3 Rosenallis
2 The harps
2 Borris kilcotton
1 camross
1 castletown
1 abbeyleix
1 Rathdowney Errill


:
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 09, 2020, 11:07:30 PM
Anyone willing and able to PM a rough idea of what the starting team might look like? I understand you might not want it posted here.
Be interesting to see considering they are highly rated and seem to be going well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 10, 2020, 02:30:34 PM
Playing galway today I believe

I'll post up full team sheet,match video and Gps data shortly
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 10, 2020, 04:17:27 PM
Lol @ Clonad. That's a good spread of clubs 1915.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 12, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
Are they talking about cancelling underage inter county if we go to level 5. Senior will go ahead apparently.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 13, 2020, 11:51:14 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/10/13/laois-minor-hurlers-announce-captain-vice-captain-and-panel-ahead-of-leinster-championship/?fbclid=IwAR0hfsknZ7emrj3CdWr2d1cshQ1b8kuF6pesRkeYi4eodQV0jD49qmZ5-YA (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/10/13/laois-minor-hurlers-announce-captain-vice-captain-and-panel-ahead-of-leinster-championship/?fbclid=IwAR0hfsknZ7emrj3CdWr2d1cshQ1b8kuF6pesRkeYi4eodQV0jD49qmZ5-YA)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 16, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
Anyone able to make a stab at the minor team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 16, 2020, 10:33:58 AM
Same as waterford practice game last week except for young dooley starting instead of joe corby.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 16, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
Is it being streamed?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 16, 2020, 12:02:23 PM
Offaly GAA are streaming the game

https://offaly.gaa.ie/2020/10/14/minor-hurlers-senior-footballers-in-action-watch-both-games-live/ (https://offaly.gaa.ie/2020/10/14/minor-hurlers-senior-footballers-in-action-watch-both-games-live/)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 16, 2020, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on October 16, 2020, 12:02:23 PM
Offaly GAA are streaming the game

https://offaly.gaa.ie/2020/10/14/minor-hurlers-senior-footballers-in-action-watch-both-games-live/ (https://offaly.gaa.ie/2020/10/14/minor-hurlers-senior-footballers-in-action-watch-both-games-live/)

Gentleman

Thanks
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 16, 2020, 06:26:50 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2020/10/16/laois-minor-hurlers-name-team-for-leinster-clash-with-offaly/

Jim O Connor out. Big loss

Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 16, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
Anyone able to make a stab at the minor team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 16, 2020, 07:39:39 PM
How many from last years team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 17, 2020, 12:13:09 PM
1. Finian Cuddy (Trumera)
2. Jack Phelan (Camross)
3. Aodh Bowes (Rosenallis)
4. Lochlainn Conway (Clough-Ballacolla)
5. Philip Tynan (Borris-Kilcotton)
6. Aaron Phelan (Castletown)
7. Lawson Obular (Abbeyleix)
8. Padraig Brennan (Clough-Ballacolla)
9. Cathal Murphy (The Harps)
10. Diarmuid Dooley (Rosenallis)
11. David Dooley (Rosenallis)
12. Tom Fennelly (Rosenallis)
13. Noah Quinlan (Borris-Kilcotton)
14. Cillian Dunne (Clough-Ballacolla)
15. Cody Comerford (The Harps)

Very strong defence with a nice mix of power and pace.
Aaron Phelan is a really good centre-back and though Aodh Bowes would probably prefer to play there too; he has the physicality to be an excellent full-back.
Conway and Phelan are front-foot defenders with loads of pace and Philip Tynan is a very solid all-rounder.
Where Lawson Obular was picked was always going to be interesting, he's a fabulous prospect and I'd have been tempted to go with him at full-forward. I think, however, he sees himself as a defender and his surges forward could be eye-catching.

Really good midfield; both Murphy and Brennan are strong, athletic and can score from range. Brennan is probably a defender moreso than a midfielder but he is a classy hurler and a fine choice of captain. I really like that midfield actually.

Noah Quinlan named at corner-forward is also interesting; he's very-highly rated in Borris/Kilcotton and could play in any position. I actually thought he'd start midfield. He'll carry a massive threat if he plays in the full-forward line. Cillian Dunne will thrive on good ball and is an excellent free-taker. Diarmuid Dooley is one of the most improved hurlers around and his athleticism is a real asset. His older brother David is a natural centre-forward and will be a real goal threat with his direct running. Tom Fennelly is very athletic and strong; he'll cover a lot of ground and his delivery should be very good. Cody Comerford is another really versatile hurler with huge potential.

I think 10 of the team were on the panel at some stage last year with Comerford, Diarmaid Dooley and Phelan the only three starters underage next year, though I'm open to correction on that.

Jim O' Connor and Joe Corby are two losses but we still have really good options with DJ White, Cian Conroy, Padraig Rafter, Barry Fitzpatrick, Brian Duggan, Colin Byrne, Greg Cuddy and Sam Quinn surely very close.

Offaly reckon they have a very strong team and will relish coming in against a Derek McGrath-coached Laois team with a bit of a reputation. They'll be very competitive and if Laois are anyway complacent, they will take us.

There is also a small cohort around our own county that seem resentful of this management group so there is a degree of pressure on them to perform.
I hope they will.

Best of luck to everyone involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 17, 2020, 01:54:44 PM
In fairness Merman I don't think there are many hurling people in Laois (if any) who would want anything but success for a Laois minor team.
This core of this management team haven't always acted in the best interests of Laois hurling over the past 2/3 years in my option. That's an opinion. And I'd have preferred if they hadn't got the job. But personally, speaking at least, I certainly am not waiting for them to fail.
From all accounts the players have been really impressed with the set up & McGrath has been heavily involved (again something I would have been sceptical of). 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 17, 2020, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 17, 2020, 01:54:44 PM
In fairness Merman I don't think there are many hurling people in Laois (if any) who would want anything but success for a Laois minor team.

I'm sure that's true but there will be knives out if this team underperform....which is a ridiculous sentence to write about a minor hurling team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 17, 2020, 02:35:04 PM
An absolute shambles of a streaming effort,constantly stalling and breaking down

Not worth the fiver
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 17, 2020, 03:00:02 PM
Mine has been excellent quality? Way better than any of Laois TV ones so far. Could just be internet provider?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 17, 2020, 03:02:31 PM
Very hard to see a win from here. Def going to need a goal given the scoring rate so far
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 17, 2020, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 17, 2020, 03:00:02 PM
Mine has been excellent quality? Way better than any of Laois TV ones so far. Could just be internet provider?

Back on track now,don't know what it was

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 17, 2020, 03:24:20 PM
Bet by double scores

Another false dawn
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 17, 2020, 03:27:01 PM
Hugely disappointing. Laois just never got going. Offaly played some lovely hurling with Carey,egan and Quinn the main threats for them. We struggled to win ball and create space. At times with our running we crowded out our own players. A half back ran in first half, lost the ball and offaly played low ball thru the missing hb position for a point. That summed it up for me.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 17, 2020, 03:27:35 PM
Offaly full-value for their win. Poor performance.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 17, 2020, 03:28:03 PM
You couldn't buy think back to the 90s & early 00s when Laois underage teams would be considered highly rated but year after year seemed to fall flat against Offaly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 17, 2020, 03:32:58 PM
Disaster of a result. As soon as we talk a team up they're k ocked back. Will be classed as a poor year. Derek McGrath migh leave that one off his cv.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 17, 2020, 03:34:57 PM
We certainly don't handle expectation well.
Offaly relish knocking us down a peg or two.
And that's not a slight on Offaly who played by far the better hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 17, 2020, 04:05:20 PM
I said it before and ill say it again. When will the county board realise that parents with young lads on the team and over county teams/development squads is a complete disaster.  We need to be looking at fresh former players or people with the profile of derek mcgrath who have no club bias or agendas behind them. I know it didnt affect the game today but the last 4 years have ultimately been brutal with the talent available. The talent is there in laois but needs proper development. Not sold to the highest bidder as was the case this year.
This years manager left out 2 of the best prosects that i know off over personal squabbles or vendettas. Would that happen in any other serious hurling county.
Young stephen murphy from The harps was the best full back by a country mile in this years club championship and marked offaly danger man Luke carey off the field i believe in a leinster final for johnstown against birr earlier this year. But because he left the panel at u14 of his own accord the laois manager refused to put him on the panel this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on October 17, 2020, 04:29:41 PM
No.1to 15 Offaly put in a better performance.
our have back line could not in any 50/50 ball.
forwards persisted in trying to run trough the Offaly defense all the time.
free taking was very poor compared to Offaly.
when you come up against a team you have to win the majority of 50/50 tussles we were completely dominated all over the field
and looked like a tired team bereft of ideas and drive.
very very disappointing result for a team that went intothe championship with such high expectations.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on October 17, 2020, 06:20:46 PM
It's unfair at these times to place the blame on management or players. They tried to work to a system that unfortunately needed huge time to develop and unfortunately with covid the time to develop this was hindered. My one negative value would lie with our county board. To put the development of players with quality into the hands of (leaving d McGrath out of this) coaches Dunne and Quinlan. Sorry no track record, never worked underneath someone of stature or quality to learn from. A morale victory in a shield competition 2yrs ago doesn't make them the best people to oversee these players. No strength and conditioning coach in place, nó long term development plan in place. Where is the future for these players now. The county board need to analyse there future selections better and at least make sure those in place have knowledge and a good track record
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 17, 2020, 06:54:05 PM
Unfair to blame management....and then....!!
Were you looking for a job Mountrath? Not good to hear that they had no S&C coach, most unusual if true?
At the same time there are S&C guys who seem to want to be involved with every team in the county at the same time, that's not good either.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on October 17, 2020, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: mountrath1 on October 17, 2020, 06:20:46 PM
It's unfair at these times to place the blame on management or players. They tried to work to a system that unfortunately needed huge time to develop and unfortunately with covid the time to develop this was hindered. My one negative value would lie with our county board. To put the development of players with quality into the hands of (leaving d McGrath out of this) coaches Dunne and Quinlan. Sorry no track record, never worked underneath someone of stature or quality to learn from. A morale victory in a shield competition 2yrs ago doesn't make them the best people to oversee these players. No strength and conditioning coach in place, nó long term development plan in place. Where is the future for these players now. The county board need to analyse there future selections better and at least make sure those in place have knowledge and a good track record

They had two listed in the programme today?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 17, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
This man makes perfect sense. The laois management pulled a stroke to get the job by bringing in derek mc grath as an advisor. With Derek mcgrath it takes a couple of years (covid or no covid) to get up to speed with his system and to ask u17s to play that way is not right eitheir.
County board are not serious about laois hurling on

quote author=mountrath1 link=topic=26390.msg1999077#msg1999077 date=1602955246]
It's unfair at these times to place the blame on management or players. They tried to work to a system that unfortunately needed huge time to develop and unfortunately with covid the time to develop this was hindered. My one negative value would lie with our county board. To put the development of players with quality into the hands of (leaving d McGrath out of this) coaches Dunne and Quinlan. Sorry no track record, never worked underneath someone of stature or quality to learn from. A morale victory in a shield competition 2yrs ago doesn't make them the best people to oversee these players. No strength and conditioning coach in place, nó long term development plan in place. Where is the future for these players now. The county board need to analyse there future selections better and at least make sure those in place have knowledge and a good track record
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Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on October 17, 2020, 07:38:21 PM
Who were they??. Keyser Iv enough on my plate at the moment lol. But been completely honest as I said in end of message, the county board need to look at themselves when hiring people to looking after the next line of hurlers tgat our county teams will be looking to in the not to decent future. Willy nilly half hearted s/c programme isn't the way forward. All we hear is the laois lads are to small, no size. Put in place a programme directed at increasing the players capability to deal with the demands of today's game is what's needed along with good coaching. There is some very good players in that squad so hopefully our county board now will look at all avenues for progression.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on October 17, 2020, 08:34:40 PM
The programme listed Tim Fahey and Connie Conroy as the s and c coaches.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on October 17, 2020, 09:02:12 PM
Connie left that setup months ago. Tim isn't a qualified SC but his heart is in the right place regards fitness and preparation. Conor Sammon the new GDO will have a good knowledge of sports science and SC so I could see him overlook the development of the underage squads. It really is a crucial area of development that needs huge attention from 14yr and upwards in our young development squads. Coaches with up to date coaching knowledge and applications are a must sought-after person. The county board need to role out these seminars a d have all our coaches up to spec/date with new knowledge of the game as its ever evolving from a tactical to technical aspect. We need to nurture the talent we have at our disposal and really sow the seeds of development ASAP
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 18, 2020, 12:09:26 AM
When this group played Offaly at u14

What did they beat them by?

I heard 52 points of a beating

Is this true

Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 18, 2020, 08:41:36 AM
Correct and right.
quote author=clonadmad link=topic=26390.msg1999281#msg1999281 date=1602976166]
When this group played Offaly at u14

What did they beat them by?

I heard 52 points of a beating

Is this true

Can anyone confirm?
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Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 18, 2020, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on October 18, 2020, 08:41:36 AM
Correct and right.
quote author=clonadmad link=topic=26390.msg1999281#msg1999281 date=1602976166]
When this group played Offaly at u14

What did they beat them by?

I heard 52 points of a beating

Is this true

Can anyone confirm?
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So a 64 point turnaround in the space of 3 years!!!!!

Any serious hurling county

Management would be lynched and there would be a full scale inquiry as to how this was allowed happen with learnings applied for the future

But this is Laois where indifference reigns
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 18, 2020, 11:01:09 AM
Offaly must have had good strength and conditioning in the meantime
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 18, 2020, 11:04:58 AM
Probably unhelpful at this stage. CB were never going to turn down what was put before them, particularly when it was not going to cost them anything more than other years. Had they done so, and the same result played out yesterday, it would probably be all over social media that they had turned down D McGrath and look what happened.
There's an element of insider trading to the above too. You could question the objectivity and actions of an individual in a prominent CB position.

Eitherways, it's unlikely this management would have wished to stay on no matter how the year went, and probably impossible to do so now. It's akin to a club set up where a group of parents follow a strong team up the line and then step aside.

On the other side of the coin, there is still potential in the players that we knew had it before yesterday. One swallow doesn't make a summer, one bad or good performance doesn't define a young hurler.
As Mountrath says, how we handle them over the next 3 years is vital, but a lot of this will come down to their clubs. Accessing them centrally in this void between 17 & U20 is extremely difficult.
With the facilities that exist at the COE & the ability of Laois GAA to centralise S&C conditioning something can be done.
Would the players & clubs buy into committing to regular blocks of work together at specified times over the next two years? With individual programmes (taking account of loading from other commitments) in between these blocks.  So that whoever is Laois U20 manager in 2023 has access to a pool of suitably strong, athletic and mobile players in December 2022. A group fit to train and spending time on developing a system of play, rather than a group training to get fit.
Is this even possible? The same players will be pulled between club, school, college & county u20 during that time as it stands.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 18, 2020, 02:13:28 PM
There is a fully functioning S&C/Athletic development program in place for all development squads now, up and running for the last 2 years, granted we are at least 10 years behind a lot of other counties in this regard but it is now up and running. And we also now have a fantastic gym in CoE to facilitate this. I know the U20s and the minors last year did plenty of gym work with a qualified S&C coach. Can't comment on this year's minors but it seems that wasn't the case.
Also lest we forget there was major disruption to preperations this year, but, you can say the same for offaly I guess! But what I've heard is that players and parents were very happy with the set up and the support players received during the summer lockdown.
I have no doubt this was led by McGrath, but I was surprised at how poor the decision making and skill execution was yesterday considering McGrath was involved for a fair bit of the year. Also surprised at the tactics and don't know who to place blame on for that. They played into Offalys hands.
Also it would have been very easy motivate Offaly yesterday. Think the goalie or someone else should have taken the penalty, if that had of gone in we could have turned it around and it may have ended differently. Instead Offaly were buoyed by the save and kicked on from there. We also missed 2 good goal chances in the first half. Small margins and fine lines.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 18, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
I understand that there are good S&C programmes available for all squads...but what happens to the guys betweet U17 & U20 was my point. It is when they are not officially part of Inter County squads is the problem (or opportunity).
Granted a small number will progress almost immediately to U20 and will be looked after there.
BUT
In 3 years time, they will need the bulk of yesterdays squad (the guys who won't play U20 in 2021 or 2022) to be equally up to scratch S&C wise in order to stand any chance of competing.
It's what happens these guys that will determine the ability of an U20 panel to compete in 2023 (or any year).
They won't disappear in October 2020 and magically reappear as Inter County level athletes in December 2022.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 18, 2020, 02:51:10 PM
By that stage the hope is they are properly trained in the gym and will be able to continue their development on there own! Once you leave minor you are an adult, they need to be able to look after themselves at that point!
Also, Mike Henchy and the GDAs are running courses for coaches and encouraging clubs to run their own athletic development programmes in clubs, with the help of the GDAs, how many clubs promote this or get their coaches to attend? A few but not enough!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 18, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
I understand that some of this will (and has to) happen at club level and all improvements there are welcome. Certainly the bulk of the actual training can be done individually or collectively at club grounds where appropriate facilities exist.
However all other sports and indeed at least most other GAA counties also operate high performance units, to which the elite level athletes are connected and from where they receive direction.
There is also a lot to be said for the culture of excellence and higher standards that can be achieved when you group high performers together. There is an element of accountability , probably controlled by testing and measurement at regular enough intervals.
Also, science and standard changes. This is fed down through the levels so that what's cutting edge now at club level May already be somewhat outdated at InterCounty level. It is vital that that Laois GAA have the absolute best personnel directly employed and working with InterCounty panels year round. While also spreading the gospel to clubs & club coaches. I don't mean somebody who is also responsible for skills coaching, summer camps, admin of development squads etc.
Is Mike Henchy an S&C professional or is he also doing the above? I think maybe Coffey is? Genuine questions.

I don't think operating at club level alone for the next two years will enable the bulk of yesterday's  panel to compete at InterCounty U20 level in 2023 (or any group in any year).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 18, 2020, 05:01:31 PM
High performance units?? Please expand?
I think what you are getting at is the issue of moving from u17 to u20 intercounty, there will be a few that will go straight from minor to u20, and those lads will have the connection and proper guidance you mention. But it's the same as the original minor (u18) going from there to the old grade of u21.
The difference now is there is the athletic development program in place, so players joining an u13 or u14 squad next year will be properly developed and educated in the gym. So when they leave the u17 grade they are well capable, and hopefully in the habit of, continuing their own physical development.
After that it's up to the clubs to do their part in setting up athletic development, with the help of the GDAs, Henchy is the games development manager, and a good one too. Coffey is S&C qualified.
As for getting the best people in as coaches, for sure that's the way to go, but the coach development is the key to that as good men are hard to find! And then get them to commit! Clubs need to push the coach education for their coaches too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 19, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
I feel I've already explained what I mean. See quoted message below.

A group/panel/unit in which we group those leaving minor & not going straight to U20. So you would have two years worth in there at any one time; 18 & 19 year olds.
They are brought together at regular intervals during this two years. They are given the best of direction etc re S&C and tested regularly to ensure accountability.
We perform pitifully at u21/u20 most years. And that's going back decades.
Sending players back to their clubs & forgetting about them until December/January of their u20 year is not going to work, it never has. We then spend 3 months trying (& failing) to get them up to speed physically for U20. Time is very limited with this group (and time spent trying to catch up physicall  is time that should be spent on hurling).

This
Wouldn't cost a fortune
Wouldn't take players away from clubs
Wouldn't expect players to give up more than 2/3 nights a month for collective work

Could lead to a physically well prepared U20 team each year
Could increase standards & accountability among the group
Could lead to better results at u20 level
Could provide a pool of players to help boost numbers at u20 level when they are tight due to seniors
Could provide a pathway for late developers to turn into Senior IC players .

Or we can do as you suggest and hope that hurling in the leagues & club championship for 2 years while tipping away to various levels & standards themselves at S&C will work.

The information, techniques & general standard of conditioning covered as you mention at U13s & U15s isn't in the same ballpark as conditioning for u20/senior level. It's not a case of doing the same thing for 5 years and getting fitter and stronger. Bodies adapt, change & react in different ways. That's why Senior IC teams carry serious cutting edge people in this area. By your logic they are barely required- sure the players already know what to do from their days in Development Squads.

If the person coordinating this group was a CB employee it would work best.
They would then be available to provide assistance (remotely or in person) in between the group sessions.
The same person could coordinate both the football & hurling groups.

It's an opinion/suggestion etc. You don't have to agree with it. But I don't think you can argue that we have managed the transition from 18-21/17-20 successfully over the past 30 years.

Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 18, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
I understand that there are good S&C programmes available for all squads...but what happens to the guys betweet U17 & U20 was my point. It is when they are not officially part of Inter County squads is the problem (or opportunity).
Granted a small number will progress almost immediately to U20 and will be looked after there.
BUT
In 3 years time, they will need the bulk of yesterdays squad (the guys who won't play U20 in 2021 or 2022) to be equally up to scratch S&C wise in order to stand any chance of competing.
It's what happens these guys that will determine the ability of an U20 panel to compete in 2023 (or any year).
They won't disappear in October 2020 and magically reappear as Inter County level athletes in December 2022.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 19, 2020, 11:54:23 AM
Couldn't disagree with any of that keyser, would be great to have that kind of a set up. However I do believe there was an attempt at doing that last year, and out of 20 or so players only 3/4 turned up. Don't know the full details.
My logic isn't that S&C coaches aren't required I never alluded to that! course its not the same at 13 as it is at u20! they all progress their gym work as they rise through the squads, it's all individualised and managed very well, all players don't get the same work to do but they all develop and progress.
What I'm saying is if you leave u17 and don't make the U20 IC, in the absence of a program like you describe above, they HAVE to carry it on by themselves! But a few years ago they would not have been able to do that as efficiently as they can now leaving an u17 squad. The initial couple of posts suggested there was no S&C work going on which isn't the case. There will be 40 odd players at each development squad, not all of them will make it to u20 or senior IC, but they will have a base knowledge and habits built up is what I'm hoping, and will continue this on their own, or through club athletic development if the club has it in place. There are many players that hurl IC up to minor and never put on a Laois Jersey after that. I'm thinking of Laois hurling in general, not just the inter County. And this would help the late bloomers too as you've mentioned.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 19, 2020, 12:35:03 PM
 I think we were talking about two different things so.
Of course it is important to look after all hurlers. I think most serious clubs have made great strides in this area over the past 4/5 years.
There should be a reasonably well equipped gym in all clubs (or in conjunction with local community). If there isn't the club needs to look at itself.

I was focusing on the result Saturday and to come up with a way that ensures that group can compete properly at U20 level in 3 years. And the same for last years minors & next years minors etc.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 19, 2020, 12:55:13 PM
I think Keyser's idea is really excellent.
And I also think in Jason Coffey, we have the person to drive it.

Last January/February, over half of our secondary schools were running S&C programmes before class for our development panels. When we get back to normal...if we get back to normal...this needs to be encouraged and enhanced. Players from U14 to U16 have three years to get themselves physically ready before their final year of minor.
All our Development Panels are guaranteed one Athletic Development session a week and this needs to be continued. Mentors/Coaches will come and go so the onus is on Jason, Mike Henchy and the GDA team to make sure that this time is protected. If this isn't protected, a coaching team will come along and deviate from the plan. Athletic Development needs to be rigidly consistent and measured.
Finbar is right; the structures that were put in place over the last couple of years will alleviate some of the concerns.
One small thing I would say is that we also need to make sure we expand the base of our pyramid. We need a minimum of 48 players on our U14 panels. This should be set in stone and if it means splitting a panel east/west or north/south, so be it. We have to allow for fall-offs and the players coming in from 'the cold' must be the exception rather than the norm. The question of dual players is also a difficult edge to square. I think dual players should be facilitated where possible but I know there is a very valid counter-argument.
I have sympathy for the current minor management and didn't share the negative view that some had...save for one issue. Their panel didn't really evolve between U14 and U17. They started with a small group and only added players this year who became available when they hit U16. I understand their reasoning but vehemently disagree with it. We need to ensure that every 13/14 year old who 'might' have something to offer, is given the chance to do so. 

On Keyser's suggestion, I think the majority of our county minors will be in transition/5th year so we have access to them for another year and a half at least. There will be very few in 6th year with kids starting primary school later now.
If Jason (or whoever) can make sure that they are monitored with a coherent schools-programme then that is a great start. Running an Easter, Summer and Halloween "camp" where the U14s, U15s, U16s and "U19"s (minus those on Minor/U20) panels come together for testing and skills sessions could be a massive benefit.
I understand the above is already planned for within U14-U16 panels and Keyser is right, the GDAs will need to take ownership of the crop between minor and U20.

There's probably nothing radical being proposed here but it does involve joined-up thinking and a collaborative approach between different coaches in different codes.
I think Mike Henchy would be well-able to put a system in place and hopefully the players, clubs and coaches can get on board with it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 19, 2020, 12:56:19 PM
Very good post Keyser.

However, I do think there is an overemphasis on strength and conditioning generally. If strength and conditioning was the missing ingredient, Dublin would have been doing better at all levels but they're not. This is not to dismiss S&C but it needs to be given the right level of priority.

The system you propose, which would be great, should aim to bring lads on not just in terms of physical development, although this is clearly relevant. The "standards" you talk about should also involve skills development, mental development (and especially trying to inculcate a winning mindset), team ethic, humility and community responsibilities/leadership. All of these are important ingredients in producing a winning team and none should be forgotten in preparations.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 19, 2020, 01:00:38 PM
Amazing how much wisdom after the event there is on here. Wrong management, poor S&C etc. etc. In my view Offaly were coming from a better place. They had no expectations based on how lads played 3-4 years ago and probably worked much harder to make up ground. They developed, we rested on our laurels.

It's not all lost for these young lads but the kick up the hole might be best thing ever happened to them. Major ground to make up between now and U20.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 19, 2020, 01:15:27 PM
To be honest B&W I think posters have been quite measured in their posts re management etc.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 19, 2020, 01:16:31 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 19, 2020, 01:15:27 PM
To be honest B&W I think posters have been quite measured in their posts re management etc.

I agree.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 19, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
Blue&white you are right there, and I know I'm bashing the management here but this particular management team have had this group since u14/15, and they have been about one thing and one thing only, winning. Not developing a group of 30/40 as mentioned above. That's why there was a lot of dissent to them getting the minor job in the first place! And I think their whole approach has come back to bite them a bit Saturday.
Giovanni is right also, need to get the balance right, and get coach education to the fore, the S&C structures are in place now, or are a lot better. Really good coaches are very important too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on October 19, 2020, 04:07:00 PM
Come on lads we all know the real reason Laois minors were beaten at the weekend. Sure this Forum leaked the video of the Waterford Laois challenge match. I hear Offaly management had the link within minutes of it going up here!!

Joking aside. I feel the occasion may have got to our lads on the day. There was such focus on them in build up to the game-consistently hearing that they our best minor team in over a decade, having Derek McGrath involved, on the right side of the draw etc... It's easy for lads that age to feel the nerves and have an off day as a consequence of built up expectation put on their shoulders within the county. Offaly have a good team too this year and with no pressure on them- it was set up for them to ambush us in Birr. It's a pity these lads do not have a backdoor game to regroup as I feel they would give a far better account of themselves given the opportunity.

That said, I concur with the general consensus regarding the management team. A situation that should not be repeated with future minor squads. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 19, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on October 17, 2020, 04:05:20 PM
I said it before and ill say it again. When will the county board realise that parents with young lads on the team and over county teams/development squads is a complete disaster.  We need to be looking at fresh former players or people with the profile of derek mcgrath who have no club bias or agendas behind them. I know it didnt affect the game today but the last 4 years have ultimately been brutal with the talent available. The talent is there in laois but needs proper development. Not sold to the highest bidder as was the case this year.
This years manager left out 2 of the best prosects that i know off over personal squabbles or vendettas. Would that happen in any other serious hurling county.
Young stephen murphy from The harps was the best full back by a country mile in this years club championship and marked offaly danger man Luke carey off the field i believe in a leinster final for johnstown against birr earlier this year. But because he left the panel at u14 of his own accord the laois manager refused to put him on the panel this year.


Can I just clarify. You say they shouldn't have been picked as mentors because they are parents. Then you give out about them leaving off lads because of "personal squabbles or vendettas". Which is it? What was the problem with the fact that they are parents?

To me, the whole blame lies with Derek McGrath. He is a complete and proven bluffer and the side show surrounding him borders on a circus. His drills are pathetic with nothing less than a million cones dotted all over the pitch. When these lads were younger they played brilliant off the cuff fast delivery hurling and all this has now been undone with over tactical tippy tappy scientific shite.

Two things stood out from a positional sense. Moving Padraig Brennan out of centre back and playing a two man full forward line with two small lads is just stupid.

If the lads over the team had just gotten on with it themselves without McGrath they would have done much better.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 19, 2020, 06:04:10 PM
Its my firm belief that no parent unless your in the calibre of Dj Carey should be over county squads. Its obvious that youll have allegiances to your own flesh and blood. Thats grand at club level but not at county.

In addition tell me another county where  2 parents with no coaching experience and no people skills apparently are allowed take over development squads because their young lads show promise at u13. .
What is the criteria for getting involved.
Also this manager had a closed shop for trials since 2015 with this team and look how that worked out for him last saturday. Players that could of been developing at IC standard for 2 years where denied. After 15 mins he brought off a corner back and replaced him with the corner forward. Are you telling me that he had no one else in mind to play as a corner back. Some kick up in the hole for the rest of the backs in the squad training so hard for 11 months.

As regards the vendettas he didnt even have young Murphy in a panel of 45 when he named it last november. And to make it worse i have since found out he marked the shite out off the offaly No 13 who done all the damage on Saturday in a schools A1 leinster final for johnstown against birr last October. Also young costigan from Rathdowney wasnt picked because he had words with his referee father at a schools match.
So to answer your question - both



Quote from: Zooming around on October 19, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on October 17, 2020, 04:05:20 PM
I said it before and ill say it again. When will the county board realise that parents with young lads on the team and over county teams/development squads is a complete disaster.  We need to be looking at fresh former players or people with the profile of derek mcgrath who have no club bias or agendas behind them. I know it didnt affect the game today but the last 4 years have ultimately been brutal with the talent available. The talent is there in laois but needs proper development. Not sold to the highest bidder as was the case this year.
This years manager left out 2 of the best prosects that i know off over personal squabbles or vendettas. Would that happen in any other serious hurling county.
Young stephen murphy from The harps was the best full back by a country mile in this years club championship and marked offaly danger man Luke carey off the field i believe in a leinster final for johnstown against birr earlier this year. But because he left the panel at u14 of his own accord the laois manager refused to put him on the panel this year.


Can I just clarify. You say they shouldn't have been picked as mentors because they are parents. Then you give out about them leaving off lads because of "personal squabbles or vendettas". Which is it? What was the problem with the fact that they are parents?

To me, the whole blame lies with Derek McGrath. He is a complete and proven bluffer and the side show surrounding him borders on a circus. His drills are pathetic with nothing less than a million cones dotted all over the pitch. When these lads were younger they played brilliant off the cuff fast delivery hurling and all this has now been undone with over tactical tippy tappy scientific shite.

Two things stood out from a positional sense. Moving Padraig Brennan out of centre back and playing a two man full forward line with two small lads is just stupid.

If the lads over the team had just gotten on with it themselves without McGrath they would have done much better.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Behindthefence on October 19, 2020, 08:09:31 PM
Spiritof1915 while there is alot of validity to a lot of the points you are making...


Again while agree that parents shouldn't be involved with development squads, it is extremely difficult to get any coaches/mentors to take over development squads in Laois. I'm pretty sure Mike Henchy really struggled to find someone for one of the football development squads this year.

To be fair to the County Board, this was not their choice of minor management. This was almost forced on them with the addition of Derek McGrath, as has been mentioned earlier.


Zooming Around, a man with a Harty Cup, Waterford county title, National League title and was a couple of points away from winning an All-Ireland is the sole reason Laois Minors didn't beat Offaly in a first round game??? Are you having a laugh?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Behindthefence on October 20, 2020, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 19, 2020, 05:06:15 PM


To me, the whole blame lies with Derek McGrath.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 20, 2020, 12:51:27 PM
The lads on this panel are in a good place still. The talent is there and rather than throwing in the towel after an admittedly poor showing on Saturday now is the time to start working with these players and helping them to bridge the gap from where they are now to senior. Losing a minor game is never the end and it should really be the beginning for these players if handled correctly. County Board should be (in normal times) securing as many 3rd level places as possible for these lads as that is where development happens now after minor. Provide grants or scholarships for those who make Fitzgibbon panels and aim at 10+ Fitzgibbon players each year. It makes a huge difference skill, strength and crucially confidence wise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 21, 2020, 09:02:14 AM
Are they going ahead w/ the u20 game tonight?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 21, 2020, 11:42:24 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 21, 2020, 09:02:14 AM
Are they going ahead w/ the u20 game tonight?

Yes they are
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 21, 2020, 02:25:57 PM
The game does go ahead this evening however all further games @ U20 will be on hold until we're out of level 5
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on October 21, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
I'd be interested to hear the science/logic behind that. This is the start of this competition right? The U20 football final is due to be played at the weekend. It looks like they're making it up as they go along. Now maybe that's not the case, but that's how it looks
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 21, 2020, 03:47:39 PM
The U20 football final is off as well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on October 21, 2020, 05:19:37 PM
That was my point RS. How can they start one competition but not let another one finish?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 21, 2020, 06:02:03 PM
Bacause today is Wednesday and the football was scheduled for Saturday. If Leo been right and midnight meant this morning at 00.01 am, then the hurling would be off too. That's how random all this is.

Like many of you I'm sure, I am non-essential and so is the U-20 All-Ireland final.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on October 21, 2020, 07:21:16 PM
In the overall scheme of things, no GAA is essential. But playing tonight and making the teams wait until nearly Christmas for the next round, while not allowing a final to be played Saturday, is nuts. Particularly when inter county is continuing. No joined up thinking here
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 22, 2020, 07:30:36 AM
Always find it interesting that this board in hopping when we lose and silent when we win.

Good solid win last night. Not much between the 2 teams. Conroy made a good contribution when he came on. Trying to play a lot of carrying and handpassing on a wet night when letting it in and putting opposition under pressure might have served better.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 22, 2020, 09:40:57 AM
Perhaps you are right, but I think the situation means it's quite difficult to get excited about it in any way. The next round (if played at all) is likely to have the status & stature of a Walsh Cup game.
Two evenly matched teams.
Definite areas where Lyons & co will need to look at to avoid a roasting the next day. The substitutes probably made us stronger? I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 22, 2020, 10:04:51 AM
Carlow have been performing well at this grade for the past few years so the win is to be applauded. It was also good to get a result after the hammering of the minors on Saturday. A win is a win and we'll go again in the New Year at some stage.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 11, 2020, 02:31:25 PM
Any thoughts on the U20's tonight?

Have we any chance against them?

\it'd on the TG4 youtube channel.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on December 11, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
Good looking team on paper.
Becoming common place to be putting out an underage team with no one from Portlaoise on it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on December 11, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on December 11, 2020, 02:31:25 PM
Any thoughts on the U20's tonight?

Have we any chance against them?

\it'd on the TG4 youtube channel.

Galway have few minor all Ireland winners and good club players from
St Thomas. Will be tough ask. Be interesting to see physicality differences between Laois and Galway later. Hopefully Laois give a good account of themselves.
Galway by 10+ points.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on December 11, 2020, 04:11:49 PM
Yes, every single player on the Galway U20 panel has an All-Ireland Minor Medal. They've just won 3 minor All Irelands in a row! They've got 3 or 4 senior panellists and Donal O Shea (Eamon's son) is a lovely intelligent hurler. On the upside, about 8 of this team are still eligible next year so maybe they're not as good now as they're going to be. I'd be more than happy if we could remain within 4 or 5 at half time and within 12-15 at the end.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on December 11, 2020, 05:01:04 PM
It looks like a huge ask for our lads to be honest. This is an excellent Galway team and if they click, we could be in for a difficult evening.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 11, 2020, 05:52:53 PM
I fear for our lads given what they are facing

Geoff Lynskey over their 20's and gunning for the senior job in 2022.

second favorites to win the All Ireland and bedecked with minor medals

If we get within 15 of them,it will be a result

I hope to be completely wrong
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on December 11, 2020, 08:56:55 PM
Galway 4-21 v 0-07 Laois.

Physically inferior, no aerial ball winning ability, poor first touch. Didn't look like a team that really trained together much or turned up with any tactical game plan.

Disappointing.

I know that Galway team have a string of minor medals, but we should have been able to give them a game on our own home turf.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on December 11, 2020, 09:24:55 PM
It was men against boys. Felt sorry for our lads who had to wait so long for what was always going to be an impossible task.
You'd have to question whether we would have been better off in the second tier under 20 competition. That did us no good. It's fine wanting to play at the top level but I honestly think we'd need to be more competitive than that to justify it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on December 11, 2020, 11:09:06 PM
At times, and most of it, was men against boys. No physical presence, no ball winners. I'd question selection when we can't have Conor Cosgrove or Cormac rigney 6ft plus men starting. I won't be 2 critical but this manager has had these guys 3yrs now. No game plan, no athletic development program, no lads fit to move into adult grade.
Isnt that what it's all about. Finding guys who will make the step up. You have to instil best practice, huge work base, good technical knowledge and skill sets.
Tonight none of that was seeing and even the game against carlow.. How can we feed into the top team if the seeds of development are not be sown to ripe....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on December 11, 2020, 11:09:51 PM
More like, what are Galway doing in the Leinster championship? I presume our county board voted for it?
I know, they were dire tonight. As was said, the first touch was truly awful, and we were - as ever - too small and light. However, it must be very hard training on your own for something like this when you know you're not going to win. At least they beat Carlow, which is more than our u20s usually do...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisred on December 11, 2020, 11:51:58 PM
Have to agree with Mountrath on this one. Irespective of the opposition, Laois looked like a team that hadnt played together. Poor basic skills and totally  illprepared for the game in my view.
I know the local media bought into the " battling' Laois minors crap last year and the year before when they were poor (and average when beaten by wexford). I appreciate it has been a difficult year but it was the same for Galway. This  is an awful follow up  to the minors with Coolderry sandwiched in between. I would argue that the u20 appointment is almost as crucial as the senior job. We must get this right to give the lads some chance.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 12, 2020, 10:26:37 AM
If Galway had put out their minor team last night they would have beaten us

We are doing all our juvenile players a disservice sending them out with little or no preparation to face underage powerhouses like galway.

We are light years behind the top 10 hurling counties at underage level in just physical development and conditioning alone never mind any other facet of the game

We had lads going down with cramp at the 50 minute mark,which tells its own tale.

I'm not having a pop at any of the players,I'd know a good few of them lads and they would die for their county.

We are failing them
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on December 12, 2020, 10:50:44 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on December 12, 2020, 10:26:37 AM
If Galway had put out their minor team last night they would have beaten us

We are doing all our juvenile players a disservice sending them out with little or no preparation to face underage powerhouses like galway.

We are light years behind the top 10 hurling counties at underage level in just physical development and conditioning alone never mind any other facet of the game

We had lads going down with cramp at the 50 minute mark,which tells its own tale.

I'm not having a pop at any of the players,I'd know a good few of them lads and they would die for their county.

We are failing them

Have to agree with above.

Granted it is an excellent Galway team who will be probable favourites for U20 All Ireland but they have a conveyer belt of talent for years and have the physically to match as well as skill. You can have all the skill you want but if you can't win your own ball we're going nowhere. Our skill set needs to be much better as well.
Galway have recruited Lukasz Kirszenstein as Head of Athletic Development for Hurling in Galway for past 3 years. Highly regarded in Strength and Conditioning in Ireland and paying dividends and Galway will be back in a year or 2 with another senior All Ireland.

I hope there's some form of cohesion from Cheddar with 20s and Senior can be integrated better. A head of Athletic Development in the county might at least put a plan in place to plug a gap. Otherwise we'll keep sending lambs to the slaughterhouse every year and have the same discussion next year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 13, 2020, 07:41:32 PM
Minor loss to Offaly magnified even more this evening, massive chance of a Leinster final was blown.
Offaly now play Westmeath in semi final after Westmeath have beaten Dublin

In relation to above post about athletic development there now is one in place with Mike Henchy & Jason Coffey with our 14/15/16 development squads but only put in place last year or two, it will take time and coaching & mangers must also be brought up to scratch, not fellas rubbing shoulders with the top table, pushing their way in even though their incapable, as happened with the minor
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: town1980 on December 13, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
Take yere  head out of the sands Kilkenny ,Galway are streets ahead of us so we are wasting our here time thinking otherwise we will never win Leinster no more than the footballers so we are second third tier simple so quit the shite talk r let's just pretend
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: town1980 on December 13, 2020, 10:35:14 PM
Mike who Jason who enough said no history behind anything we're doing truth hurts but is the truth we have nooooo history behind what we are doing tell me one person who is involved with our county set up who has been through the mill regarding managers etc know one ,, why ...???
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 13, 2020, 10:46:15 PM
Ya your probably right, let's not try anything. That'll help us improve.

Who do you want in charge of anything? History?? Babs keating, ger Loughnane, Cyril Farrell,
all history no future.
I'm not saying their messiahs but their the only ones at the moment I know of putting anything in place, cos it's their jobs.
It's not cheddars job now to have our u14s ready for minor in 3 years .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisred on December 14, 2020, 10:19:41 AM
History? Jesus H C...! Who wants history....we need forward- looking, future-looking, innovative people involved. Did Mickey Harte have history behind him, or Jim McGuinness? We only need a handful (with the right structures in place) and things can improve quickly. A few like John Kiely would be great. (he had no history behind him), but they are hard to come by for sure.
You cant stop trying - Cavan & Tipp footballers didn't anyway and they are provincial champions this year. We cant settle for the status quo even if many would like to see it preserved.
We have to strive for improvement and to better ourselves at all levels.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 14, 2020, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: town1980 on December 13, 2020, 10:30:25 PM
Take yere  head out of the sands Kilkenny ,Galway are streets ahead of us so we are wasting our here time thinking otherwise we will never win Leinster no more than the footballers so we are second third tier simple so quit the shite talk r let's just pretend

Best splinter all the hurleys and puncture all the footballs in that case
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 14, 2020, 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: Laoisred on December 14, 2020, 10:19:41 AM
History? Jesus H C...! Who wants history....we need forward- looking, future-looking, innovative people involved. Did Mickey Harte have history behind him, or Jim McGuinness? We only need a handful (with the right structures in place) and things can improve quickly. A few like John Kiely would be great. (he had no history behind him), but they are hard to come by for sure.
You cant stop trying - Cavan & Tipp footballers didn't anyway and they are provincial champions this year. We cant settle for the status quo even if many would like to see it preserved.
We have to strive for improvement and to better ourselves at all levels.

I agree. We have to strive to be the best we can be and be positive. We also need to be realistic.

The Galway U20 game was a complete mismatch. 3 all ireland minor teams on board and massive resources - Galway will expect a senior all-Ireland winning team from that team. We scraped past Carlow and had 3 poor / indifferent minor teams making up our U20 side. Last years minor team beat (a very good) Kildare. If we ever want to be competitive in the future the formula is fairly simple in theory but difficult in practice. We need far more competitive hurling areas in Laois, especially Portlaoise and strong development programs at club and county level to provide player pathways to adult hurling. That is what JPs money did in Limerick and what the Gaelfest program is doing in Antrim. Population and especially hurling population is against us so our approach needs to be more effective than other counties to produce 2-3 good enough hurlers per year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 14, 2020, 08:28:49 PM
Mike and Jason are doing the best they can with the resources they have. Anybody else see an email today from Mike Henchy looking for coaches/mentors for the development squads? It mentions they asked over 80 people to get involved last year with very little positive responses. Everyone loves coming on here for a whinge but very few want to get involved and help out. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 14, 2020, 08:33:58 PM
Cabbages 2 Eddie Brennan 0

A result just in from tonight's convention


No motions

No question to the top table

Move on,nothing to see here
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 14, 2020, 08:36:48 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on December 14, 2020, 08:28:49 PM
Mike and Jason are doing the best they can with the resources they have. Anybody else see an email today from Mike Henchy looking for coaches/mentors for the development squads? It mentions they asked over 80 people to get involved last year with very little positive responses. Everyone loves coming on here for a whinge but very few want to get involved and help out.

Both Mike and Jason are doing their best and hopefully in time they will get their rewards

Not one bit surprised at that figure

Other counties there would be killings for lads to get on board and mentor development squads

Not here

Just  another example of apathy
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on December 14, 2020, 09:31:47 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on December 14, 2020, 08:33:58 PM
Cabbages 2 Eddie Brennan 0

A result just in from tonight's convention


No motions

No question to the top table

Move on,nothing to see here

Clubs of Laois had their chance. Clubs are as bad as anyone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 15, 2020, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on December 14, 2020, 08:36:48 PM
Quote from: finbar o tool on December 14, 2020, 08:28:49 PM
Mike and Jason are doing the best they can with the resources they have. Anybody else see an email today from Mike Henchy looking for coaches/mentors for the development squads? It mentions they asked over 80 people to get involved last year with very little positive responses. Everyone loves coming on here for a whinge but very few want to get involved and help out.

Both Mike and Jason are doing their best and hopefully in time they will get their rewards

Not one bit surprised at that figure

Other counties there would be killings for lads to get on board and mentor development squads

Not here

Just  another example of apathy

People tend to latch on to something credible and worthwhile. If there's no plan at CB level, what's the point in any of us behaving like lemmings and following them over the cliff? Do they not see that? Get a GDA into Portlaoise and let's start the process properly. Get 2 if you can. 1 for Hurling and 1 for Football. f**k this volunteer/mercenary bullshit. Start developing the thing properly. You're awfully fond of those CB positions, so maybe it's time ye put serious plans in place. Then who knows. We might come out and back you. As it is, you have turned people off, or can you not see that either?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Chrimtain on December 15, 2020, 12:38:01 PM
The call has gone out. Now is the time for all of the armchair critics on this forum, like myself, to get involved at underage level and make a real contribution in hurling, football or both, otherwise, time to shut to f**k up.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 15, 2020, 01:10:25 PM
Good luck with that Chrimtain. Serious counties are investing in trained personnel, and you and the CB think a few water bottle carriers are going to bridge the gap. It's going to take a lot more than that....

For what it's worth, I'd imagine most of us on here are active members in their clubs. There's a difference here between volunteering and adding expertise. A trawl of the personnel involved in most serious counties would let whoever wrote that letter know that he was wasting ink
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on December 15, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
In fairness, I don't see any downside of this.

There is certainly some expertise in the county and there are talented people that might be able to contribute to the Academy in various ways (in coaching and otherwise). Ultimately, they don't have to accept offers to help if they don't think those offers have merit but I'd rather see the circle being widened in this way rather than just waiting for something to happen or throwing up their hands and saying "sure what can we do".
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 15, 2020, 02:32:11 PM
As ever in Laois, cart before horse. We need to get our structures to an acceptable level. In a town with 20,000 people, we have no focus whatsoever. We are losing kids left right and centre to other sports and playstations. Be sensible here lads. People will volunteer when there's something worth contributing to. At the minute, it's a rabble, and telling people to thrown their shoulder at the wheel when it's clearly stuck in the mud is a flawed plan
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on December 15, 2020, 02:52:22 PM
I wouldn't see it like that. This is a person who is trying to mobilise resources to help him to do his job (which is the development of the Academy). As far as I know, it's not his job to recruit GDAs in Portlaoise or set up a supporters' club or do any of the many other things that certainly should be done. He's trying to do his own job as well as he can and I think he should be encouraged and applauded for taking some initiative. If everyone else did the same thing, we wouldn't be too badly off.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 15, 2020, 03:21:15 PM
Remember what Eddie said. There it is. Do what you can with it. The foundations are not in place. When they are, let's see what we can build.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 15, 2020, 04:34:55 PM
There are huge numbers of kids in Portlaoise that are not being harvested.
To do so will take a lot of time and money.
If we do this properly, Laois will benefit hugely.
Simultaneously, Portlaoise would become unstoppable at juvenile level.

Would it not be the perfect time to set up a second juvenile club in Portlaoise?
Or at least cede certain areas or schools to clubs like Clonad, The Heath, PR etc?
Or try to encourage some level of kids declaring for their parent's home club.

We absolutely need to maximize what we as a county are getting from the town of Portlaoise. To do so properly would lead to a "Dublin footballers in Leinster" type scenario. It would absolutely destroy juvenile competition.
I think both need to be addressed together from the start.

There's 2 options otherwise;
1) Do nothing
2) Create a monster by pumping time, money & resources into maximizing the raw materials available in Portlaoise.
I don't think either are acceptable.

Ultimately, Laois, Portlaoise and other clubs could benefit. Addressing one of these issues in isolation could be very very counterproductive from an internal perspective at juvenile level.

This is all easier said than done. But the promise of coaching hours and a partial GDA might well be the sweetener needed for some sort of boundary redrawing that would equalize catchment areas.

I haven't put much thought into this, and no doubt there are major issues with the above. But that's where strong leadership comes in. You find solutions and you bring the various parties along with you towards agreement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 15, 2020, 06:53:51 PM
Portlaoise won't dominate anything as long as the Juvenille amalgamations remain intact. After that, there is so much ignorance amongst clubs, that in some cases they would drive it into the ground rather than do what makes sense. That's the sort of mindset that needs a sledgehammer, not a few volunteers
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 15, 2020, 07:18:13 PM
In my opinion there's nothing short of a "Rest of County" amalgamation could compete with Portlaoise functioning to even 60% of its capacity/potential at juvenile level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on December 15, 2020, 08:36:04 PM
Correct Keyser,  I personally think the promotion of the GAA in Portlaoise is key to a revival in Laois.  But we need to be careful of the unintended consequences I.r the creation of a Super Club.  I am not entirely sure the creation of a second club is the answer but maybe the support of the Heath, Ratheniska, Ballyfin & Clonad to create 5 very strong Clubs including Portlaoise.  Laois has 85,000 off of which 22,000 - 25,000 live in Portlaoise.  Also I remember hearing we have a very young population.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 15, 2020, 09:23:46 PM
The CB have neglected Portlaoise. I personally don't mind creating a super club, because we need them to be that. Let's worry about everything else after we have made this particular orchard productive, because it isn't at the moment
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 15, 2020, 10:12:45 PM
I disagree HF. If (and it's a big IF) it was done properly it would destroy GAA everywhere outside of Portlaoise. Kids who have no chance of winning drop off, kids who are getting hammered even more so.
Rejuvenation needed in Portlaoise, but a carefully chosen path required to avoid destroying internal club competitions. Not an easy task.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 15, 2020, 10:49:38 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 15, 2020, 10:12:45 PM
I disagree HF. If (and it's a big IF) it was done properly it would destroy GAA everywhere outside of Portlaoise. Kids who have no chance of winning drop off, kids who are getting hammered even more so.
Rejuvenation needed in Portlaoise, but a carefully chosen path required to avoid destroying internal club competitions. Not an easy task.

The flip side of the coin is the current state of affairs, and that is simply not good enough. Too many kids are being lost to the GAA, and a club that should be productive has been ignored. A lot of people beckoned this day forward. Well here it is, and there's no improvement whatsoever. There are too many clubs anyway. A lot of them doing no more than hanging around. So many people involved are doing no more than getting on the treadmill. It's stale. It's unproductive, and worse than all that, the standard is poor. New thinking is needed. Asking people to keep flogging the dead horse, and redouble their efforts, is quite frankly insulting.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on December 16, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
I'm not sure I understand what you are proposing should be done to freshen it up. Get rid of all the weaker clubs and invest in Portlaoise? And don't bother to help out the Academy until the standard gets better?

We've all been frustrated with the way the Country Board have been dealing with recent good managers in both codes - at least I have - but that shouldn't be a reason for us all to just throw our hat at it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2020, 10:21:04 AM
I think it's completely counter productive the idea that Portlaoise should be turned into some sort of super club

Have we learned nothing from Dublin?

Anytime I suggested a GDA for portlaoise,it was for Portlaoise Parish

The next census there will 26,000 people living in portlaoise,between a quarter to a third of the total population of the county

The aspiration should be to have 5 strong dual clubs operating in the Portlaoise Parish area

This is in conjunction with a games manager and 4 GDA positions for the rest of the county.

The budgets are in place

It would be great if we could fill these positions and keep them filled,something we hasn't been done up to now
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2020, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 15, 2020, 10:49:38 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 15, 2020, 10:12:45 PM
I disagree HF. If (and it's a big IF) it was done properly it would destroy GAA everywhere outside of Portlaoise. Kids who have no chance of winning drop off, kids who are getting hammered even more so.
Rejuvenation needed in Portlaoise, but a carefully chosen path required to avoid destroying internal club competitions. Not an easy task.

The flip side of the coin is the current state of affairs, and that is simply not good enough. Too many kids are being lost to the GAA, and a club that should be productive has been ignored. A lot of people beckoned this day forward. Well here it is, and there's no improvement whatsoever. There are too many clubs anyway. A lot of them doing no more than hanging around. So many people involved are doing no more than getting on the treadmill. It's stale. It's unproductive, and worse than all that, the standard is poor. New thinking is needed. Asking people to keep flogging the dead horse, and redouble their efforts, is quite frankly insulting.

The strategic plan had 10 clubs all rural in danger of disappearing in the next decade
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 16, 2020, 10:33:47 AM
Smaller clubs MUST amalgamate. If it's not done now, some will keep falling or just drop completely off the radar. If they want to exist at a lower level fine, but please can we stop denying access to young lads with potential who deserve to be playing Senior football and hurling. These old dinosaurs who sit on club committees have so much to answer for.

The above allows consolidation. It also gives volunteers something to work towards. Some of the most tired and disgruntled people you will ever meet are those who keep small clubs afloat by redoubling their efforts every year. Protecting their small patch and in reality protecting very little. Killing themselves. Look around the Laois GAA landscape. How many clubs are just hanging on? Their only goals either to stay financially viable, avoid relegation or maybe have the occasional dalliance in a higher grade. All the while trapping their best players into this never ending cycle.

It doesn't need to be like that. We have a small enough population as is, without dividing ourself up into the smallest of constituent parts. Portlaoise is not small, but it has lost its way in GAA terms, and that creates the illusion that everyone around them has improved. I don't believe that for a minute, but I do believe that a strong Portlaoise could and should be the tide that rises all boats. I would rather of course that those boats wouldn't capsize in the wave, but that really depends at a lot of clubs asking themselves the serious question. I don't believe any of this will change in my lifetime, because let's face it, when have we ever done anything radical or progressive in Laois GAA? But don't ask and/or blame Club members when the structures in Laois don't facilitate player development. There is so much wrong way higher up the ladder before you get down that far
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 16, 2020, 12:06:45 PM
Short term no need to worry about Portlaoise being a super club in hurling. They are in quite a bad place currently. There have been occasional green (and white!) shoots but there is 10 years work required to get them even back to where they were in the 90s.

If it does happen that Portlaoise become a dominant club then there are options. The town is more than big enough to support two clubs as is the case in many other county towns. However we are a million miles away from that. Not investing in Portlaoise because of an unfounded fear of the Dublin effect is madness.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2020, 12:21:30 PM
I did some number crunching on the 2019 registered juvenile players with the various clubs

Juvenile includes from u15 down

Top 10 Largest clubs by Juvenile Playing numbers

1.Portlaoise 505 Registered Juveniles
2.Ballyfin 229 and yet are part of a hurling amalgamation
3.Ballyroan 206 Portlaoise is bigger than the next 2 clubs put together and we are only scratching the surface of gaelic games participation in the town
4.Abbeyleix
5.O'Dempseys
6.Ratheniska
7.Rosenallis
8.The Heath
9.Kilcavan
10.Port

The bottom 10
Kyle
Clonad
Slieve Bloom
Colt/St Fintans
Shanahoe
Kilcruise
Trumera
Courtwood
Ballypickas
Annanough
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on December 16, 2020, 01:19:20 PM
I am amazed to see that top ten, What's happening in Mountmellick, stradbally and mountrath if rural areas are ahead of them ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 16, 2020, 01:37:48 PM
Juvenile is from U17 down
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: Ogie on December 16, 2020, 01:37:48 PM
Juvenile is from U17 down

For the purposes of player registration

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Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on December 16, 2020, 02:25:22 PM
Strategic Priority:

Urbanisation - Portlaoise
A second club (specifically for juvenile
players only) should be established in
Portlaoise at the Knockmay/Mountmellick
Road side of the town. This club would be
feeder unit (in time) to the adult clubs in
Portlaoise and environs.

To be established
in 2018 with
a view to
participating
in 2019
competitions


Three years down the line and we have made no inroads whatsoever to revitalise GAA in our urban areas. I honestly don't care about this talk of needing to be careful of creating a super monster like Dublin intercounty team if we invest in Portlaoise. The more kids getting to play GAA the better-ultimately it is about participation.

If Portlaoise do begin to clean up at underage level, then we can face that problem when the time arises. Something tells me with the glacial rate of progress currently it is not a problem we are going to have to face for at least the next decade.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2020, 03:01:56 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on December 16, 2020, 12:06:45 PM
Short term no need to worry about Portlaoise being a super club in hurling. They are in quite a bad place currently. There have been occasional green (and white!) shoots but there is 10 years work required to get them even back to where they were in the 90s.

If it does happen that Portlaoise become a dominant club then there are options. The town is more than big enough to support two clubs as is the case in many other county towns. However we are a million miles away from that. Not investing in Portlaoise because of an unfounded fear of the Dublin effect is madness.

Where did anyone say not to invest in portlaoise because of a Dublin type effect?

There's 5 clubs in the Portlaoise area

Build them all up
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 16, 2020, 03:27:02 PM
How would they be registered on their own?
Their juvenile players especially since the drop to U17s ?

Is there a database on Gaa for registered members or where do you get above table / figures ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on December 16, 2020, 07:39:53 PM
I sometimes think we look at Laois' current struggles without considering the many different issues that all need to be addressed....and before anyone mentions it, yes, I'm as guilty of this as anyone.

It's like a massive 3-D shape and many of us are coming at it from different angles; we focus and become consumed by what we can see right in front of us.

At the moment, the County Board is everyone's favourite punching bag...and with some justification. I would consider the current board generally competent but fresh ideas, voices and energy would be welcome. Yes, its somewhat frustrating to see the same names and faces but these people are nominated and elected by the clubs.

I maintain, however, that a singular focus on the county board is too simplistic. Some call it apathy but I don't agree; I think a lot of the best work being done around the county is within the clubs and that's, in my opinion at least, more important than anything the county board are or aren't doing.
Club coach education has started to come on; from an admittedly poor base. There are still issues within club structures and I'm inclined to agree with Keyser that more amalgamations will need to be considered.
More and more clubs are developing Nursery programmes and will hopefully see numbers increase in years to come.
If these players can be retained and receive a generally improved standard of coaching, we might then see some improvements at Development Panel level.

Primary schools also need to be part of the solution. Participation in Gaelic Games should be encouraged across the whole school year and the Club-School Link needs to be solidified and enhanced. All schools should be receiving support weekly with an emphasis on the classes below Cumann na mBunscol level. The fundamental responsibility here lies with the clubs but the county board may need to find ways to provide coaching too.

At Development Panel level, I agree with positive comments made about Jason Coffey. I think giving him a bit of time will see our overall standards develop and we might start to close that with the many counties ahead of us.
Development Panels are only as good as the players involved and the current call for coaches/mentors is welcome but I still think we have a long road ahead before we see any tangible improvements.

Ultimately, that's very simple but its about incremental improvements. Limerick's success hasn't been driven by changing adult structures; it is borne out of massive increases in participation levels, especially in the city.
They have more players coming through having received better coaching. It almost sounds too simple but that's what I feel it boils down to.
This can and should be driven by the county board but individual clubs also need to take responsibility with looking after themselves first and foremost. Looking for cheap and easy solutions has gotten us where we are. Clubs need to get into schools, get kids out to the clubs and get them the best coaching available. That's what the likes of The Harps and Rosenallis are doing and their success at underage level is becoming evident.

And that's where the Portlaoise question needs to be looked at. I don't think he was labelled as such but before his career-break, Peter Halley had assumed the role of Portlaoise GDA including the surrounding clubs. He was working alongside Pat Critchely and he will hopefully get back to that role if/when he returns. One of the reports from convention certainly seemed to suggest he would be returning at some point.
We need more players coming from our largest urban centres. The hurling areas are contracting and rural communities are seeing populations decline. We need to expand our playing base and Portlaoise is crucial.
I know talks took place about the school in Knockmay becoming a feeder school to Clonad and that would be a help but unless they actually commit to developing a pitch on-site and training there, I don't see it being enough.

I'd say there's the possibility of doubling participation levels in Portlaoise going by ClonadMad's numbrs. There are 4 big primary schools that between them must have in excess of 1000 boys between the ages of 4 and 12.
Double those numbers, spread them around the clubs if possible and then let other clubs work to maximise their potential. There's no reason we shouldn't be having 200-300 boys looking to progress onto a Laois U14 panel in a few years. That's when we can start to see progress.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2020, 08:08:02 PM
Id agree with everything that Merman has posted and i hope that Peter comes back to the Gda role for Portlaoise Parish and all the other 4 Gda roles are filled asap.

In relation to Boys in School in Portlaoise Parish across the 8 schools (I'm counting holy family senior and junior schools as separate entities)

They are currently 1784 boys in Primary Education.

In Relation to u14 Hurlers

We currently have 18 teams playing u13 hurling in the 2019 championship,assuming an average of 18 players per squad

We are looking at 320 odd hurlers wouldn't it be great for the county if we could get that up by another 100 at that age grade over a 3 to 5 year time frame
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Pugwash on December 16, 2020, 08:38:46 PM
Can someone tell me why clubs in Laois are prepared to shell out €10,000 - €15,000 a year for a manager but wouldn't have the foresight to instead pump funds into hiring a Development Officer (even on a part time basis) or even compensate a few coaches within their club to go into the local school/schools in their catchment area?

Setting aside €2000/€3000 (hypothetical figures) per year to pay for every underage coach within the club to partake in coaching courses, have a coach education weekend where a big name coach comes down and all your coaches attend and hopefully pick up new techniques, drills etc.

Soccer clubs even at local level seem to be light years ahead of GAA clubs, despite having far less money and it's baffling.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 16, 2020, 08:55:20 PM
This is something I've been looking into, the possibility of hiring a GDA between 3 or 4 hurling clubs in the area,
Blarney & Bishopstown have done it in Cork, albeit much bigger clubs & population I think it would be very feasible & workable for clubs to do it, there would be support there from the Gaa also.

Our GDAs are over stretched at present, is there only two at present ? Connor & Jason? Their only planting seeds & dependent then on club coaches to carry it on, this usually falls to one or two forward thinking coaches in clubs try carry it on & drag daddy's along with them.

The open call for mentors is great, but we don't need Dads going in to look after their own, I know that's not what Henchy wants.
As merman references the 3D example & has often been mentioned here, That's what Cheddars plan encapsulated, the entire plan, players, coaches, financial, schools, media, education everything!
I live in hope it will see daylight.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2020, 09:13:48 PM
The GAA will fund a GDA to the tune of €18k PA..

It's being done elsewhere where 2 clubs in separate divisional areas  within a county hire in a GDA.

Nevermind Dublin clubs

Nothing to stop 2 clubs here both selling 100 odd county board tickets each and doing similar.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 16, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
Quote from: Pugwash on December 16, 2020, 08:38:46 PM
Can someone tell me why clubs in Laois are prepared to shell out €10,000 - €15,000 a year for a manager but wouldn't have the foresight to instead pump funds into hiring a Development Officer (even on a part time basis) or even compensate a few coaches within their club to go into the local school/schools in their catchment area?

Setting aside €2000/€3000 (hypothetical figures) per year to pay for every underage coach within the club to partake in coaching courses, have a coach education weekend where a big name coach comes down and all your coaches attend and hopefully pick up new techniques, drills etc.

Soccer clubs even at local level seem to be light years ahead of GAA clubs, despite having far less money and it's baffling.

There's a school club coaching grant available
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 16, 2020, 11:43:27 PM
Just a comment on High Fielders view of, why bother doing anything to help until the County board or whoever get some plans in place... I'm simply talking about more people getting out there, getting involved, getting their own coach education, there's plenty of courses, the ones in Laois usually have to be pulled due to lack of numbers ffs!
If more people do this, we will end up with better coaches, better coaches means better players, and in turn we will have more/better players AND coaches available at development squad level. There's literally nothing stopping you from doing this, try and create a culture within your own club, get involved at the top table in your club and implement structures in the club.
I really don't understand this idea of throwing our hands up and wait for a gaa Bible to appear with all the answers.
Yes 100% the County board need to get better and progressive, but there's lots we can do to improve things while we wait for something or someone to pull it all together.
Something like Ogie mentioned there, clubs sharing the GDA and sharing the cost, great idea, and it's not coming from the county board, it's club driven!
I also think a second club needs to be set up in portlaoise, as was recommended in that waste of time strategic plan. Otherwise its inevitable portlaoise will be become a superpower eventually.
But all of the above have one thing in common, passionate people getting off their holes and getting involved!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
And we don't do that already? What an absolute joke. Asking lay volunteers to up the ante and attend a few courses and all of a sudden you're an expert. No kid deserves to be coached by some wannabe who fancies themselves as the next Jim McGuinness or Davy Fitz. Half of these courses time are taken up telling you how not to be a paedo. No thanks. All of that is great when it's backed up by proper coaching structures monitoring each kid and local mentor. Unfortunately, there's far too many of our kids being "coached" by classroom experts.

So many good ex players studied on that course in Carlow under Mick Dempsey. They are the ones who need to be targeted. And yes, it would cost money, and yes, we would have to fundraise. But it sure as hell beats the crap out of know nothings taking a few classes and suddenly knowing it all. Let's be a little bit professional in our approach, please.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 17, 2020, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
And we don't do that already? What an absolute joke. Asking lay volunteers to up the ante and attend a few courses and all of a sudden you're an expert. No kid deserves to be coached by some wannabe who fancies themselves as the next Jim McGuinness or Davy Fitz. Half of these courses time are taken up telling you how not to be a paedo. No thanks. All of that is great when it's backed up by proper coaching structures monitoring each kid and local mentor. Unfortunately, there's far too many of our kids being "coached" by classroom experts.

So many good ex players studied on that course in Carlow under Mick Dempsey. They are the ones who need to be targeted. And yes, it would cost money, and yes, we would have to fundraise. But it sure as hell beats the crap out of know nothings taking a few classes and suddenly knowing it all. Let's be a little bit professional in our approach, please.

Bullshit response high fielder, that "how not to be a paedo" course is the code of ethics course, which is mandatory, you obviously haven't done too many coaching courses yourself!
Where do you think Jim McGuinness and Davy started?! Or are they just born with coaching ability!? How do you think anybody becomes an expert in their chosen field? Just comes to them in a dream!?
And no, clearly we don't do that already! Cause we have f**k all coaches and our standard of hurling generally is poor!!
Also, incase you forgot, this is an amateur, volunteer organisation!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 10:31:01 AM
Go sell your amateur horse shit to any county doing anything of note. Maybe we shout say a few novenas while we're at it. Give me a break. You're right about one thing. Not a chance in hell I'll be doing any of those courses. I'm happy enough with my contribution to my club and Laois. I'll leave the coaching to the coaches.

We should do the decent thing and round up those lads who studied under Dempsey. Raise an extra few quid a year and give a few lads some paid work.

My tone was a bit harsh on reflection there Finbarr. Apologies. I just fell the GAA world has moved on. Volunteering on its own isn't enough any more. Just my opinion. Apologies again for the tone. I can see your intentions are honourable
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 17, 2020, 10:51:52 AM
Some good suggestions re funding a GDA.
Mountrath, Camross & Castletown parishes for example should be able to fund a full time GDA if they wanted. I think there's 5 clubs there. Am I correct in saying that they would need to fund half of the GDA's wage between them?
I think there are 8 schools in that area. Certainly enough work for a GDA, maybe too much actually when club duties are also added in.

On the point I brought up re a second club in Portlaoise. if there was a serious investment and intent to improve participation in the town, it would be too late waiting for it to be successful to look to start a new club.
Good luck telling parents and kids in 10 years that they have to leave this super successful club with a tradition and join a new one.
Or that they can't play for the same successful club as older brothers or cousins or neighbours.
I think this would meet serious resistance.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 11:09:33 AM
Agreed Keyser. This is the way to go. Investment first and foremost. What parent wouldn't pay a few quid to have their kid trained properly? We can't duck the extra funding issue forever. We need it. Simple as.

As for Portlaoise, there are enough grades for them to enter all the teams they need. Splitting Portlaoise is a non starter imo, and non negotiable for any serious Portlaoise GAA person. There are probably a lot of kids in Portlaoise who would never see a GAA pitch anyway, no matter what is done to encourage them. The trick here is to keep the ones that start, and get the attrition rate lower
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 17, 2020, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
And we don't do that already? What an absolute joke. Asking lay volunteers to up the ante and attend a few courses and all of a sudden you're an expert. No kid deserves to be coached by some wannabe who fancies themselves as the next Jim McGuinness or Davy Fitz. Half of these courses time are taken up telling you how not to be a paedo. No thanks. All of that is great when it's backed up by proper coaching structures monitoring each kid and local mentor. Unfortunately, there's far too many of our kids being "coached" by classroom experts.

So many good ex players studied on that course in Carlow under Mick Dempsey. They are the ones who need to be targeted. And yes, it would cost money, and yes, we would have to fundraise. But it sure as hell beats the crap out of know nothings taking a few classes and suddenly knowing it all. Let's be a little bit professional in our approach, please.

Easily known you've never been on one then.

Every club should be aiming to have all the coach's with at least a foundation course under their belts and trying to get as many up to level 1 and possibly even level 2.

There's no shortage of other courses and resources out there also

I presume you are on Martin Fogartys mailing list for the 4 sessions hes running in Jan/Feb

Habits both good and bad are picked up by kids early on and people knowing what they are doing helps

Some of the best coaches ive seen have had little or no skills as hurlers but have a love of the game,are willing to educate themselves and are good with kids,some of the worst Ive seen have had stellar playing careers.

I've seen a few excellent coaches at club level in the county at juvenile level, we just don't have enough of them at the minute.

As regards your comment about getting in coachs and paying them,We cant even fill the 4 GDA's positions at the minute,lets get that sorted first.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 12:43:34 PM
You weren't so smart when Batman served it up to you, so practice what you preach and don't even try to get snide with me. I'm not a coach. I don't want to be a coach. We have plenty of good people out there, but we'll have to pay them. I have no problem putting my hand in my pocket to help provide for that.

When I read some of the posts on here, I realise why we're so far behind, and getting further detached. It's 2020 lads. Despite what we're routinely told, the GAA is at the very least semi professional in some areas. Volunteering plays a part for sure, and it has its place. But not at the head of the queue.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 17, 2020, 01:07:08 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 12:43:34 PM
You weren't so smart when Batman served it up to you, so practice what you preach and don't even try to get snide with me. I'm not a coach. I don't want to be a coach. We have plenty of good people out there, but we'll have to pay them. I have no problem putting my hand in my pocket to help provide for that.

When I read some of the posts on here, I realise why we're so far behind, and getting further detached. It's 2020 lads. Despite what we're routinely told, the GAA is at the very least semi professional in some areas. Volunteering plays a part for sure, and it has its place. But not at the head of the queue.

Stay running off your gob here son and telling the rest of us where we are going wrong rather than getting up off your lazy hole and doing something about it.

At the least the rest  of us here are involved in trying to move the boulder..

Fair enough you won't coach

There's loads of other jobs in every club begging for volunteers,no doubt you'll be first to volunteer.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 17, 2020, 01:21:29 PM
I take it you don't own a mirror 😂. I'm happy with my own contribution. I do as much as I can with a young family and a job. But I know when to be quiet, so I'll leave you to it
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on December 17, 2020, 02:08:03 PM
Excellent idea to group clubs together in Laois to raise necessary funds for a GDO. Need to show some out of the box thinking on this to maximize resources. If Abbeyleix, Ballypickas and Ballinkill  (maybe one other) clubs pooled together they potentially could afford the cost of a GDO that would then rotate between the schools and club training. If I had a choice I would much rather put my money here (long-term pay off) than on paying the cost of an outside manager.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 17, 2020, 03:17:56 PM
The optimum would be for a GPO to be Cofunded by two clubs and work in areas such as coach development,athletic development,player recruitment if there's an untapped urban area and calling to about 8  primary schools and 1/2 secondary schools.

Funding would come from croke park via the county board,Irish sports council grant and the remainder split between the 2 clubs.

For a tipp class GPO you would be looking at a base of €35k upwards plus phone/fuel expenses etc
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 18, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
I'm not sure who has decided what the optimum number of clubs is? The reality is that this is Laois, there is a smaller pool of corporate support, much smaller revenue streams and no club (as far as I know) operating a bar to bring money in.
I think if we started with 3 or 4 clubs managing to do it between them we would be doing well for a start.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 18, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 18, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
I'm not sure who has decided what the optimum number of clubs is? The reality is that this is Laois, there is a smaller pool of corporate support, much smaller revenue streams and no club (as far as I know) operating a bar to bring money in.
I think if we started with 3 or 4 clubs managing to do it between them we would be doing well for a start.

No one has decided who the optimum number of clubs is

But from talking to people who work in the area,they are saying with 3/4 clubs,they would be stretched very thin with the workload,if it was going to be done right and there's also the attendant politics and optics of being "fair" to every club.

That's all

I know of 2 rural clubs that are sharing a GPO,they have to come up with €13k each every year,but they have made the decision to not pay any outside managers and have a concerted effort made to sell more county board tickets.

Thats how they are funding it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 18, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
An initiative that I'd like to sell in all laois post primary schools every year


https://twitter.com/cbsnenagh/status/1339714245429239810?s=21
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 18, 2020, 11:51:16 AM
In an ideal world they would be working for 1 club.
You also have to be realistic and start with a manageable step. And I think number of primary schools to be serviced is possibly more important than number of clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on December 18, 2020, 02:41:08 PM
I believe Peter Halley was involved with the process of establishing club GPOs during his time in Wexford but I'm not positive on that. It is definitely interesting to see it being debated and thought-out here.

I wonder is there an opportunity within the club-school link model to get things started in a very simple way?
If we have maybe half of our primary-schools currently "employing" a club-school coach then it leaves say 30 schools without one.
Could the juvenile coordinators in each club get in touch with their respective schools, find out how many hours a week they can have access to the kids and bring the information to Mike Henchy or a nominated GDA? If the 30 schools could stretch to an average of say two hours a week then we have 60 hours a week. That could cover 3-6 students with a very decent part-time job when such jobs aren't exactly plentiful. And I'd imagine I'm being conservative on what schools could avail of this and how many hours could be offered.

If these coaches only got an extra hour a week into 7-10 year olds or found a few extra players at nursery level, it'd be a sound investment.

It used to be the case that the club cover half of the hourly rate and the county cover the other half. This makes it more palatable for the club and it takes some of the pressures off the already over-stretched GDAs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 18, 2020, 03:15:10 PM
Ye it's an obvious, achievable and important first step Merman. One that every club should be taking ownership of. And if it's not happening the CB should be pressuring for it to happen.
You'd wonder are clubs who have the link in even in touch with schools to check that they are getting maximum access etc.
Also, your point on offering the hours to students on associated courses is a good one. It'd be mutually beneficial and there are plenty of them around.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 20, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
Some chance missed with our Minors this year, Offaly now in a Leinster final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 20, 2020, 10:33:06 PM
No disrespect to the outgoing management, but it really did turn out to be a wasted opportunity
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 21, 2020, 01:06:03 PM
Great thread on Twitter about our own recent discussion on Club GDA's on the Coaching the GAAme Twitter account, Colm Crowley details the costs & benefits
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 17, 2021, 12:58:05 PM
Offaly in the process of putting in 6/7 GPO's into clubs in their county

2 clubs there already have a full time GPO

With another ready to be shared by 2 clubs when the schools reopen

They are also looking for an additional 2 GDA's

Westmeath are looking at 5 GPO's


Meanwhile here there's .........................
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 21, 2021, 01:14:00 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/limerick-city-s-hurling-revolution/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on January 26, 2021, 05:59:13 PM
Refreshing to see the Laois county board appoint a vibrant management team for this year's minor hurlers. Not the most competitive panel through the grades but hopefully this management team will maximise their potential.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 09:24:29 AM
This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 09:24:29 AM
This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.

The group who made the Tony Forristal semi final were last years team

This group was a lot weaker at that and subsequent ages.

Agree with you on Mcgrath
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 27, 2021, 12:29:56 PM
Can't see how having an experienced and successful (colleges, Waterford SHC, League Champions, All Ireland finalists) manager/coach is a bad thing. Ridiculous to be criticising this really. Every other county in the minor championship would be glad to have him involved.
I don't know anything about the manager appointed, but it's his job to manage and ensure we get the best from McGrath's involvement. I believe the players last year were impressed with what he brought.
We are not going to win an AI minor, unlikely we will win a Leinster minor. But some of these players will play Senior for Laois, almost all will play for their club's top team. Exposure to an experienced outside perspective and style cannot be a bad thing for their long term development.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, his usual approach is one. All part of their development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 09:24:29 AM
This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.

The group who made the Tony Forristal semi final were last years team

This group was a lot weaker at that and subsequent ages.

Agree with you on Mcgrath

Yeah i knew last years group got to the semi final but I thought this group beat one of Wexford/Limerick and lost narrowly to the other. Lost heavily to Cork alright
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 09:24:29 AM
This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.

The group who made the Tony Forristal semi final were last years team

This group was a lot weaker at that and subsequent ages.

Agree with you on Mcgrath

Yeah i knew last years group got to the semi final but I thought this group beat one of Wexford/Limerick and lost narrowly to the other. Lost heavily to Cork alright

Wexford bet them by 5 points

Cork the eventual winners absolutely pulverized them

They bet Limerick by 3 points

Didnt get out of the group
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 27, 2021, 04:03:24 PM
Were they the first teams of Lim/Wex/Cork?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 09:24:29 AM
This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.

The group who made the Tony Forristal semi final were last years team

This group was a lot weaker at that and subsequent ages.

Agree with you on Mcgrath

Yeah i knew last years group got to the semi final but I thought this group beat one of Wexford/Limerick and lost narrowly to the other. Lost heavily to Cork alright

Wexford bet them by 5 points

Cork the eventual winners absolutely pulverized them

They bet Limerick by 3 points

Didnt get out of the group

So that would be consecutive wins over Limerick in the Tony Forristal. That's not bad going. Limerick are seemingly way ahead of everyone listening to some people
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 27, 2021, 11:07:25 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 27, 2021, 09:24:29 AM
This is a very good panel who did well at the Tony Forristal. I'd have high expectations of them as they have scoring forwards which are as scarce as hen's teeth. Pity McGrath is still involved. He'll strangle the talent out of them with his systems and sweepers.

The group who made the Tony Forristal semi final were last years team

This group was a lot weaker at that and subsequent ages.

Agree with you on Mcgrath

Yeah i knew last years group got to the semi final but I thought this group beat one of Wexford/Limerick and lost narrowly to the other. Lost heavily to Cork alright

Wexford bet them by 5 points

Cork the eventual winners absolutely pulverized them

They bet Limerick by 3 points

Didnt get out of the group

So that would be consecutive wins over Limerick in the Tony Forristal. That's not bad going. Limerick are seemingly way ahead of everyone listening to some people

Limerick haven't won a minor all ireland since 84, that could change whenever the 2020 season is finished but good nonetheless

IIRC we had a bad afternoon on frees against wexford and possibly deserved to have been a lot closer than what we were

Cork were freakishly big across both squads all of them 6ft and over, that year well able to hurl also

Won both the forristal and sonny walsh that year with their 2 squads

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 28, 2021, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 27, 2021, 12:29:56 PM
Can't see how having an experienced and successful (colleges, Waterford SHC, League Champions, All Ireland finalists) manager/coach is a bad thing. Ridiculous to be criticising this really. Every other county in the minor championship would be glad to have him involved.
I don't know anything about the manager appointed, but it's his job to manage and ensure we get the best from McGrath's involvement. I believe the players last year were impressed with what he brought.
We are not going to win an AI minor, unlikely we will win a Leinster minor. But some of these players will play Senior for Laois, almost all will play for their club's top team. Exposure to an experienced outside perspective and style cannot be a bad thing for their long term development.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, his usual approach is one. All part of their development.

It's amazing to think that last year's management got slated for the loss to Offaly, yet the one part of that management most responsible is still part of the new management. His stupid playing style completely restricted a talented bunch who had done well up to him getting involved. He completely changed their style of play with backs trying to attack and good scoring forwards playing as sweepers instead of letting them play their natural game. The only thing he has achieved with this bunch is to turn a 52 point win over Offaly into a big loss. A complete disaster and he should have been fucked out on his ear. If he's that good why do lads who refused to hurl for Waterford under him continue to return to the panel now. A quick listen to him on the Sunday Game confirms what he really is, a complete bluffer.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2021, 11:44:03 AM
His record and history stands up to scrutiny a little better than other elements of last years management.
The people who were "fucked out" might do well to reflect on their management over the 3-4 years leading up to 2020. It's been covered in detail here before.
I'd take DM's continued involvement over theirs.
From what I've heard, so would the players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on January 28, 2021, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2021, 11:44:03 AM
His record and history stands up to scrutiny a little better than other elements of last years management.
The people who were "fucked out" might do well to reflect on their management over the 3-4 years leading up to 2020. It's been covered in detail here before.
I'd take DM's continued involvement over theirs.
From what I've heard, so would the players.
I completely agree. This years management have no vested interest in how their sons will hurl. There all vibrant ex players who played to a high standard and are 'in there' i believe for the betterment of Laois hurling. This year takes on more significance after the complete and utter shitshow of last year.
As regards mc grath i believe he had no part in picking the panel or team for last years squad. So maybe he ll have a more hands on role this year. Its where he has excelled and made his name over the years.
2 examples of how bad last years management was.
- the corner forward replacing the corner back after 20 mins to man mark offalys most dangerous forward. . Unbelievable.
- laois had a player who marked said forward in 2 schools games to great effect but was left sitting at home because the manager didnt like him.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 28, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2021, 11:44:03 AM
His record and history stands up to scrutiny a little better than other elements of last years management.
The people who were "fucked out" might do well to reflect on their management over the 3-4 years leading up to 2020. It's been covered in detail here before.
I'd take DM's continued involvement over theirs.
From what I've heard, so would the players.

His record and history stands up to scrutiny a little better than other elements of last years management.
Is this the same management who achieved so much with this group before his arrival. A management who managed to beat Offaly out the gate on numerous occasions before he strangled the players.

The people who were "fucked out" might do well to reflect on their management over the 3-4 years leading up to 2020. It's been covered in detail here before.
They brought on a talented group to achieve their potential resulting in Laois hurling's biggest achievement in years

I'd take DM's continued involvement over theirs.
That's your opinion, no problem, but I disagree with you.

From what I've heard, so would the players.
Not any players or their parents that i know, but shur maybe we just hear different things.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2021, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 28, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
They brought on a talented group to achieve their potential resulting in Laois hurling's biggest achievement in years

Sounds like some failure of management? To bring somebody in as part of your coaching team in order to get a job. And then to stand idly by as they proceeded to strangle the life out of a group you were personally responsible for "coaching" to a high performing level up to that point.
Very poor management.
Very poor.
Not good enough.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on January 28, 2021, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2021, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 28, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
They brought on a talented group to achieve their potential resulting in Laois hurling's biggest achievement in years

Sounds like some failure of management? To bring somebody in as part of your coaching team in order to get a job. And then to stand idly by as they proceeded to strangle the life out of a group you were personally responsible for "coaching" to a high performing level up to that point.
Very poor management.
Very poor.
Not good enough.

Absolutely. Spot. On. 👏🏻
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 29, 2021, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2021, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 28, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
They brought on a talented group to achieve their potential resulting in Laois hurling's biggest achievement in years

Sounds like some failure of management? To bring somebody in as part of your coaching team in order to get a job. And then to stand idly by as they proceeded to strangle the life out of a group you were personally responsible for "coaching" to a high performing level up to that point.
Very poor management.
Very poor.
Not good enough.

Interesting deflection but at least you're accepting what the problem is.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 29, 2021, 12:22:41 PM
Comedy gold!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on January 29, 2021, 01:17:14 PM
I think it's brilliant to have kept Derek McGrath on board, I'd imagine he was massively disappointed with how the year ended, he wanted more help this year and looks like he got some eager guys.
Declan & Tadgh were involved with this squad up along.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: steven seagal on January 30, 2021, 04:03:32 PM
QuoteIt's amazing to think that last year's management got slated for the loss to Offaly, yet the one part of that management most responsible is still part of the new management. His stupid playing style completely restricted a talented bunch who had done well up to him getting involved. He completely changed their style of play with backs trying to attack and good scoring forwards playing as sweepers instead of letting them play their natural game. The only thing he has achieved with this bunch is to turn a 52 point win over Offaly into a big loss. A complete disaster and he should have been fucked out on his ear. If he's that good why do lads who refused to hurl for Waterford under him continue to return to the panel now. A quick listen to him on the Sunday Game confirms what he really is, a complete bluffer.

God aren't we terrible unlucky in Laois, we go and get a fella in who has won two Harty Cups, two All-Ireland Colleges titles, a National League title and who brought a team to an All-Ireland final, only for it turn out he actually doesn't know anything about hurling and is a complete bluffer. Gosh, what poor luck for us.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 30, 2021, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: steven seagal on January 30, 2021, 04:03:32 PM
QuoteIt's amazing to think that last year's management got slated for the loss to Offaly, yet the one part of that management most responsible is still part of the new management. His stupid playing style completely restricted a talented bunch who had done well up to him getting involved. He completely changed their style of play with backs trying to attack and good scoring forwards playing as sweepers instead of letting them play their natural game. The only thing he has achieved with this bunch is to turn a 52 point win over Offaly into a big loss. A complete disaster and he should have been fucked out on his ear. If he's that good why do lads who refused to hurl for Waterford under him continue to return to the panel now. A quick listen to him on the Sunday Game confirms what he really is, a complete bluffer.

God aren't we terrible unlucky in Laois, we go and get a fella in who has won two Harty Cups, two All-Ireland Colleges titles, a National League title and who brought a team to an All-Ireland final, only for it turn out he actually doesn't know anything about hurling and is a complete bluffer. Gosh, what poor luck for us.

Given the management team we now have on board

What does everyone on here thiink success looks like for this minor squad and management

Leinster final appearence?

Winning one game

Beating offaly?

Beating wex/kk/dublin?

Winning a game
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on January 31, 2021, 06:19:40 AM
Difficult to assess. Only 3 players eligible this year started on last years team and another player coming on as a sub. But another 10 to 15 on the extended panel. The more i think of it, its a very positive sign McGrath staying on as he undoubtedly likes what he sees from the panel this year.

I think they should have enough to make a semi final and seriously compete with wex/dub and gain revenge against Offaly. Obviously it all depends on what way they structure the competition. Kilkenny as always will be the benchmark.

The have a nice spread of players and as one commentator stated some quality forwards. Portlaoise are the dominant club team at this grade up the years so hopefully they will supply a good few of the panel which has to be a good thing for Laois hurling going forward.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2021, 10:20:40 AM
Im delighted that Derek McGrath is involved. While most view the one game v Offaly as how to judge 2020, I personally dont.

From talking to players and parents McGrath did everything he could for this group. I know they developed as hurlers and people during the year. They definitely learned a lot and McGrath too.

If taking a setback on the chin here means bouncing back and moving on stronger then that great. Everyone is getting wound up about one result. No county does it better.

We havent won a Leinster minor since the 60's. 2020 didnt change that but we do have a great chance to develop young hurlers with McGrath on board. Lets not get notions about ourselves and slate him.

Hes a quality operator.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 31, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Wasting your time lads!
It's clear how some people operate.
When you are wrong about something , you can change your mind, or you can change the facts to suit your original judgement!
I think it was Frank Lampard recently who spoke about "confirmation bias". Looking at everything with the intent of proving your pre existing stance or belief. The post below from me is a good example. We are all guilty of it regularly.
You can twist things to back up your pre existing viewpoint in most situations.
I don't believe last years management were poorly intentioned. There's every chance they could do a good job somewhere else at some other point. But I could pull bits and pieces from everywhere to compose an argument that says otherwise!

Quote from: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2021, 04:34:11 PM
Sounds like some failure of management? To bring somebody in as part of your coaching team in order to get a job. And then to stand idly by as they proceeded to strangle the life out of a group you were personally responsible for "coaching" to a high performing level up to that point.
Very poor management.
Very poor.
Not good enough.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 02, 2021, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 31, 2021, 10:20:40 AM
Im delighted that Derek McGrath is involved. While most view the one game v Offaly as how to judge 2020, I personally dont.

From talking to players and parents McGrath did everything he could for this group. I know they developed as hurlers and people during the year. They definitely learned a lot and McGrath too.

If taking a setback on the chin here means bouncing back and moving on stronger then that great. Everyone is getting wound up about one result. No county does it better.

We havent won a Leinster minor since the 60's. 2020 didnt change that but we do have a great chance to develop young hurlers with McGrath on board. Lets not get notions about ourselves and slate him.

Hes a quality operator.

The highlighted bit is correct but in how many years since the 60s have we had a real chance to win one. Most years we had no chance and a lot of years we had less than no chance. Last year we had a real chance as this team had shown themselves to be right up there with the best up along through U14, U15 and U16. We won't get to develop much if we continue to disimprove at the alarming rate we have since he got involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 04, 2021, 09:17:10 AM
Even when Limerick was under the cosh from Rugby,they had a strong infrastructure of primary school competitions for kids of all ages even it seems a divisional competition and that's before you get to post primary level.

It's a pity Laois can't seem to do likewise,even with the Cumman na mBunscoil,we have just the one completion whereas a lot of counties would have 2 age grades.

https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/william-o-donoghue-moulded-by-formative-years/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 09, 2021, 11:17:42 AM
Is Collier a good appointment for Laois hurling?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 09, 2021, 01:53:59 PM
He's a good Laois Gaa man.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 11, 2021, 06:58:15 PM
An improvement anyways.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 12, 2021, 11:21:11 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 11, 2021, 06:58:15 PM
An improvement anyways.

Really?

How?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Oh go on. Tell us why it isn't.
Has he not been studying the North Tipp Under 6 league structure and how they have consistently produced the best of 7 & 8 year olds in the country?

I'll give you a few reasons.
1) 
He has on occasion (and on sensible matters) challenged both Laois GAA and the higher GAA authorities (through the forum of Laois GAA meetings).
This, to me, gives the impression that he is at least as focused on these matters as he is on climbing the greasy pole that is the world of GAA hierarchy. That hasn't always been the case.

2)
He also has seen how hurling in the county functions (or doesn't) from the viewpoint of club player, club administrator, club manager, county underage manager, county board delegate etc. That's a well rounded experience to bring to the table.

3)
He is not a county board "lifer".

I'm not his campaign manager. He should be open to criticism like everybody else. But if I was somebody like Cheddar, I'd rather be dealing with this kind of person than somebody who is desperate to stay in with the CB executive.

Having said all that, the role is extremely limited in scope.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 12, 2021, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 12, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Oh go on. Tell us why it isn't.
Has he not been studying the North Tipp Under 6 league structure and how they have consistently produced the best of 7 & 8 year olds in the country?

I'll give you a few reasons.
1) 
He has on occasion (and on sensible matters) challenged both Laois GAA and the higher GAA authorities (through the forum of Laois GAA meetings).
This, to me, gives the impression that he is at least as focused on these matters as he is on climbing the greasy pole that is the world of GAA hierarchy. That hasn't always been the case.

2)
He also has seen how hurling in the county functions (or doesn't) from the viewpoint of club player, club administrator, club manager, county underage manager, county board delegate etc. That's a well rounded experience to bring to the table.

3)
He is not a county board "lifer".

I'm not his campaign manager. He should be open to criticism like everybody else. But if I was somebody like Cheddar, I'd rather be dealing with this kind of person than somebody who is desperate to stay in with the CB executive.

Having said all that, the role is extremely limited in scope.

Comprehensive answer even if you couldn't let it pass without the laughable dig at u6's in Tipperary

I'd disagree with you in relation to the scope of the role and it being limited,there's a whole load of areas that can be improved upon within the county which have been discussed ad nauseam here.

Offaly for one have gotten their act together in the last 2/3 years across a number of different areas,there's a sense here that we are static.

I could outline them but then I'd accused of being an Offaly man

I wish him well in his role
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 12, 2021, 12:25:45 PM
I don't think the argument is whether these things should happen.
It's whether it falls under the remit of this position. It's open to interpretation.

You appeared to disagree with my suggestion that it was an improvement?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 12, 2021, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 12, 2021, 12:25:45 PM
I don't think the argument is whether these things should happen.
It's whether it falls under the remit of this position. It's open to interpretation.

You appeared to disagree with my suggestion that it was an improvement?

I think anything would be an improvement as to what's gone before tbh

I presume the hurling board chairman would be responsible for all hurling in the county and act as a catalyst for change and improvements

Your saying the role is limited

How limited is it?

What can he do?

And more importantly what can't he do?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 12, 2021, 03:43:22 PM
It's essentially a subcommittee. It's years since it was a board. Croke Park scrapped those years ago.
It will be interesting to see how much influence he can have.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 12, 2021, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 12, 2021, 03:43:22 PM
It's essentially a subcommittee. It's years since it was a board. Croke Park scrapped those years ago.
It will be interesting to see how much influence he can have.

I think you'll find a lot of counties still have boards in place for both codes or in particular the weaker code in the county.

That's a moot point regardless.

If he can't effect change even on a revenue neutral basis for hurling,who does.

It's interesting to compare and contrast with our friends in Offaly what's going on under Duignans albeit full CB Chairmanship

Hundreds of thousands raised with the help of Shane Lowry for the Faithfull Fields

Planning in place for another 4 GDA's

6 GPO positions being laid out,2 attaches to clubs already with another one to be shared between 2 clubs shortly
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 12, 2021, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 12, 2021, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 12, 2021, 03:43:22 PM
It's essentially a subcommittee. It's years since it was a board. Croke Park scrapped those years ago.
It will be interesting to see how much influence he can have.

I think you'll find a lot of counties still have boards in place for both codes or in particular the weaker code in the county.

That's a moot point regardless.

If he can't effect change even on a revenue neutral basis for hurling,who does.

It's interesting to compare and contrast with our friends in Offaly what's going on under Duignans albeit full CB Chairmanship

Hundreds of thousands raised with the help of Shane Lowry for the Faithfull Fields

Planning in place for another 4 GDA's

6 GPO positions being laid out,2 attaches to clubs already with another one to be shared between 2 clubs shortly


And the bastards are still too mean to pay their bills
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 12, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
Who still has a board for each code?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on March 21, 2021, 04:41:47 PM
Is there many clubs interested in the new GPO roles being brought forward by Leinster Gaa?
Personally think it's a brilliant idea hopefully plenty of clubs buy in,

Full details to be explained on a Laois Gaa webinar tomorrow, Monday night
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on March 21, 2021, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: Ogie on March 21, 2021, 04:41:47 PM
Is there many clubs interested in the new GPO roles being brought forward by Leinster Gaa?
Personally think it's a brilliant idea hopefully plenty of clubs buy in,

Full details to be explained on a Laois Gaa webinar tomorrow, Monday night

On their own it would be a lot. For possibly 2-3 clubs pool together maybe more likely.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 21, 2021, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: Helix. on March 21, 2021, 05:42:41 PM
Quote from: Ogie on March 21, 2021, 04:41:47 PM
Is there many clubs interested in the new GPO roles being brought forward by Leinster Gaa?
Personally think it's a brilliant idea hopefully plenty of clubs buy in,

Full details to be explained on a Laois Gaa webinar tomorrow, Monday night

On their own it would be a lot. For possibly 2-3 clubs pool together maybe more likely.

Offaly have 3 already in place with more to follow.

I think it could be a hard sell in Laois from the few I've spoken to about it ,there's an element of we will wait and see who does it

Hope I'm wrong though
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on March 22, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
I sincerely hope there's not a wait & see policy, get left behind again,
Offaly have gotten their house in order & are doing a lot more than we are, we were looking for more from our GDA's I think this is a brilliant way to maximise,
Approx 6k per year is money well spent rather than a Journy man senior manager in a lot of clubs.
I agree I think it's def a three club per gda deal for most of our clubs, splitting the hours and money, except maybe for Portlaoise who could probably use one full time .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 22, 2021, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Ogie on March 22, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
I sincerely hope there's not a wait & see policy, get left behind again,
Offaly have gotten their house in order & are doing a lot more than we are, we were looking for more from our GDA's I think this is a brilliant way to maximise,
Approx 6k per year is money well spent rather than a Journy man senior manager in a lot of clubs.
I agree I think it's def a three club per gda deal for most of our clubs, splitting the hours and money, except maybe for Portlaoise who could probably use one full time .

There's a GPO In tullamore,edenderry and one shared between Drumcullen/Rath and Seir Kieran with more in the pipeline

Hopefully the willpower is here in laois for the likes of Portlaoise and Port to put in one of their own and small progressive rural clubs similar to Rath to fund a third of a GPO also.

My understanding is also that the CB will have call on these GPO also to help with development squads summer camps,Clubs won't have access to them full time.

We also need to get our GDA numbers back up as well,I think,we were given a budget by Croke Park for 5 and a games manager 

If we don't get those numbers up quickly,there's a chance given the current climate that budget not being spent might be taken off us and spent elsewhere 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 22, 2021, 11:32:42 AM
€6k per annum is just over €100 per week.

There are clubs paying €100 a session to a coach so it should be a no brainer to get this done.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on March 22, 2021, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 22, 2021, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Ogie on March 22, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
I sincerely hope there's not a wait & see policy, get left behind again,
Offaly have gotten their house in order & are doing a lot more than we are, we were looking for more from our GDA's I think this is a brilliant way to maximise,
Approx 6k per year is money well spent rather than a Journy man senior manager in a lot of clubs.
I agree I think it's def a three club per gda deal for most of our clubs, splitting the hours and money, except maybe for Portlaoise who could probably use one full time .

There's a GPO In tullamore,edenderry and one shared between Drumcullen/Rath and Seir Kieran with more in the pipeline

Hopefully the willpower is here in laois for the likes of Portlaoise and Port to put in one of their own and small progressive rural clubs similar to Rath to fund a third of a GPO also.

My understanding is also that the CB will have call on these GPO also to help with development squads summer camps,Clubs won't have access to them full time.

We also need to get our GDA numbers back up as well,I think,we were given a budget by Croke Park for 5 and a games manager 

If we don't get those numbers up quickly,there's a chance given the current climate that budget not being spent might be taken off us and spent elsewhere

I'm gone away from that side of things and age groups in my club but how many GDAs do we have now?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 22, 2021, 07:22:41 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on March 22, 2021, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 22, 2021, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Ogie on March 22, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
I sincerely hope there's not a wait & see policy, get left behind again,
Offaly have gotten their house in order & are doing a lot more than we are, we were looking for more from our GDA's I think this is a brilliant way to maximise,
Approx 6k per year is money well spent rather than a Journy man senior manager in a lot of clubs.
I agree I think it's def a three club per gda deal for most of our clubs, splitting the hours and money, except maybe for Portlaoise who could probably use one full time .

There's a GPO In tullamore,edenderry and one shared between Drumcullen/Rath and Seir Kieran with more in the pipeline

Hopefully the willpower is here in laois for the likes of Portlaoise and Port to put in one of their own and small progressive rural clubs similar to Rath to fund a third of a GPO also.

My understanding is also that the CB will have call on these GPO also to help with development squads summer camps,Clubs won't have access to them full time.

We also need to get our GDA numbers back up as well,I think,we were given a budget by Croke Park for 5 and a games manager 

If we don't get those numbers up quickly,there's a chance given the current climate that budget not being spent might be taken off us and spent elsewhere

I'm gone away from that side of things and age groups in my club but how many GDAs do we have now?

My understanding is, and I'm open to correction here is that with Peter Hallys departure last year,we are down to 3 GDA's plus Mike Henchy the Games Manager,which leaves 2 vacant posts which are there to be filled.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on March 23, 2021, 08:54:35 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 22, 2021, 07:22:41 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on March 22, 2021, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 22, 2021, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: Ogie on March 22, 2021, 10:26:37 AM
I sincerely hope there's not a wait & see policy, get left behind again,
Offaly have gotten their house in order & are doing a lot more than we are, we were looking for more from our GDA's I think this is a brilliant way to maximise,
Approx 6k per year is money well spent rather than a Journy man senior manager in a lot of clubs.
I agree I think it's def a three club per gda deal for most of our clubs, splitting the hours and money, except maybe for Portlaoise who could probably use one full time .


There's a GPO In tullamore,edenderry and one shared between Drumcullen/Rath and Seir Kieran with more in the pipeline

Hopefully the willpower is here in laois for the likes of Portlaoise and Port to put in one of their own and small progressive rural clubs similar to Rath to fund a third of a GPO also.

My understanding is also that the CB will have call on these GPO also to help with development squads summer camps,Clubs won't have access to them full time.

We also need to get our GDA numbers back up as well,I think,we were given a budget by Croke Park for 5 and a games manager 

If we don't get those numbers up quickly,there's a chance given the current climate that budget not being spent might be taken off us and spent elsewhere

I'm gone away from that side of things and age groups in my club but how many GDAs do we have now?

My understanding is, and I'm open to correction here is that with Peter Hallys departure last year,we are down to 3 GDA's plus Mike Henchy the Games Manager,which leaves 2 vacant posts which are there to be filled.

Why are these positions not being filled?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 28, 2021, 06:19:33 PM
Duignan has gotten the bit between his teeth in Offaly

So far He has cleared with shane Lowry and others involvement,the Debt on the CoE in Kilcormac

The Cb debt is halved after this week to €100k and the 41 clubs got an extra €100k due to the fundraiser they ran.

They now have a games manager gone in,
4 GDA's
3 GPO's in Situ

With another 8 GPO's being actively recruited and to be in place in the clubs for this summer

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 29, 2021, 11:12:31 AM
Is this the bones of what they have announced for football & hurling over the last week or so? It was fairly lacking in detail

Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 19, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
I feel I've already explained what I mean. See quoted message below.

A group/panel/unit in which we group those leaving minor & not going straight to U20. So you would have two years worth in there at any one time; 18 & 19 year olds.
They are brought together at regular intervals during this two years. They are given the best of direction etc re S&C and tested regularly to ensure accountability.
We perform pitifully at u21/u20 most years. And that's going back decades.
Sending players back to their clubs & forgetting about them until December/January of their u20 year is not going to work, it never has. We then spend 3 months trying (& failing) to get them up to speed physically for U20. Time is very limited with this group (and time spent trying to catch up physicall  is time that should be spent on hurling).

This
Wouldn't cost a fortune
Wouldn't take players away from clubs
Wouldn't expect players to give up more than 2/3 nights a month for collective work

Could lead to a physically well prepared U20 team each year
Could increase standards & accountability among the group
Could lead to better results at u20 level
Could provide a pool of players to help boost numbers at u20 level when they are tight due to seniors
Could provide a pathway for late developers to turn into Senior IC players .

Or we can do as you suggest and hope that hurling in the leagues & club championship for 2 years while tipping away to various levels & standards themselves at S&C will work.

The information, techniques & general standard of conditioning covered as you mention at U13s & U15s isn't in the same ballpark as conditioning for u20/senior level. It's not a case of doing the same thing for 5 years and getting fitter and stronger. Bodies adapt, change & react in different ways. That's why Senior IC teams carry serious cutting edge people in this area. By your logic they are barely required- sure the players already know what to do from their days in Development Squads.

If the person coordinating this group was a CB employee it would work best.
They would then be available to provide assistance (remotely or in person) in between the group sessions.
The same person could coordinate both the football & hurling groups.

It's an opinion/suggestion etc. You don't have to agree with it. But I don't think you can argue that we have managed the transition from 18-21/17-20 successfully over the past 30 years.

Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 18, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
I understand that there are good S&C programmes available for all squads...but what happens to the guys betweet U17 & U20 was my point. It is when they are not officially part of Inter County squads is the problem (or opportunity).
Granted a small number will progress almost immediately to U20 and will be looked after there.
BUT
In 3 years time, they will need the bulk of yesterdays squad (the guys who won't play U20 in 2021 or 2022) to be equally up to scratch S&C wise in order to stand any chance of competing.
It's what happens these guys that will determine the ability of an U20 panel to compete in 2023 (or any year).
They won't disappear in October 2020 and magically reappear as Inter County level athletes in December 2022.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 23, 2021, 02:41:47 PM
Well done to Portlaoise for leading the way
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 09:38:02 AM
LAOIS MINOR HURLING PANEL 2021

Tom Cuddy (Camross)
Eoghan Cuddy (Camross)
Ryan Cuddy (Camross)
Cathal Cuddy (Camross)
Kevin Byrne (Camross)
Aaron Phelan (Castletown)
Conor Doran (Castletown)
Ciaran McKelvey (Castletown)
Rory Kelly (Castletown)
Jack Breen (Castletown)
Thomas Brennan (Clough-Ballacolla)
Peter Rafter (Clough-Ballacolla)
Joe Pearson (Clough-Ballacolla)
Cormac Hogan (Clough-Ballacolla)
Kevin Hyland (Clough-Ballacolla)
Ciaran Flynn (The Harps)
Bobby Murphy (The Harps)
Cody Comerford (The Harps)
Andrew McDonagh (Ballinakill)
Ryan Quinlan (Ballinakill)
Brian Duggan (Ballinakill)
Ciaran Coss (Borris-Kilcotton)
Jer Quinlan (Borris-Kilcotton)
Diarmuid Dooley (Rosenallis)
Jimmy Hyland (Rosenallis)
Colin Byrne (Abbeyleix)
Liam Kavanagh (Abbeyleix)
Brochan O'Reilly (Portlaoise)
Barry Fitzpatrick (Portlaoise)
Conor Fitzpatrick (Park-Ratheniska-Timahoe)
Jonah Kelly (Park-Ratheniska-Timahoe)
Michael Cleary (Rathdowney-Errill)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on June 02, 2021, 10:07:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 09:38:02 AM
LAOIS MINOR HURLING PANEL 2021

Tom Cuddy (Camross)
Eoghan Cuddy (Camross)
Ryan Cuddy (Camross)
Cathal Cuddy (Camross)
Kevin Byrne (Camross)
Aaron Phelan (Castletown)
Conor Doran (Castletown)
Ciaran McKelvey (Castletown)
Rory Kelly (Castletown)
Jack Breen (Castletown)
Thomas Brennan (Clough-Ballacolla)
Peter Rafter (Clough-Ballacolla)
Joe Pearson (Clough-Ballacolla)
Cormac Hogan (Clough-Ballacolla)
Kevin Hyland (Clough-Ballacolla)
Ciaran Flynn (The Harps)
Bobby Murphy (The Harps)
Cody Comerford (The Harps)
Andrew McDonagh (Ballinakill)
Ryan Quinlan (Ballinakill)
Brian Duggan (Ballinakill)
Ciaran Coss (Borris-Kilcotton)
Jer Quinlan (Borris-Kilcotton)
Diarmuid Dooley (Rosenallis)
Jimmy Hyland (Rosenallis)
Colin Byrne (Abbeyleix)
Liam Kavanagh (Abbeyleix)
Brochan O'Reilly (Portlaoise)
Barry Fitzpatrick (Portlaoise)
Conor Fitzpatrick (Park-Ratheniska-Timahoe)
Jonah Kelly (Park-Ratheniska-Timahoe)
Michael Cleary (Rathdowney-Errill)
Good spread of clubs. Thought there'd be more from portlaoise who are hot favourites for this year's club championship apparently.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on June 02, 2021, 11:00:13 AM
How do people rate this squad, seems like some players with plenty of experience at this level based on last minor squad. As someone who is not living in the country it is hard to know.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on June 02, 2021, 12:37:46 PM
looks like a physically strong squad. Lots of tall athletic players with good skill levels which I hope they'll get a chance to show.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
Under 17 Hurling Gradings 2021

Roinn A (7 teams)
Borris-in-Ossory Kilcotton
Camross
Castletown
Portlaoise
Rathdowney Errill
St. Lazerians Abbeyleix
The Harps

Roinn B  (7)
Ballinakill/Ballypickas
Clough Ballacolla
Na Fianna
Park Ratheniska Timahoe
Raheen Parish Gaels
Rosenallis
St Fintans Mountrath
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 01:43:43 PM
Under 15 Hurling 2021 Gradings
Roinn A and B (15 teams)

Borris-in-Ossory Kilcotton
Camross
Castletown
Clough Ballacolla  Gaels
Na Fianna
Park Ratheniska Timahoe
Portarlington
Portlaoise
Raheen Parish Gaels
Rathdowney Errill
Rosenallis
St Fintans Mountrath
St. Lazerians Abbeyleix
St Pauls
The Harps
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 01:44:37 PM
Under 13 Hurling 2021 Gradings
Roinn A  and B  (16 teams)

Ballinakill/Ballypickas
Ballyfin
Borris-in-Ossory Kilcotton
Camross
Castletown
Clough Ballacolla
Mountmellick
"Park Ratheniska Timahoe ""A"""
"Porlaoise ""A"""
Portarlington
Rathdowney Errill
Rosenallis
St Fintans Mountrath
The Harps
St. Lazerians Abbeyleix
St Pauls


Roinn C (6 teams)
Clonad
Clonaslee St Manmans
Colt Shanahoe
"Park Ratheniska Timahoe ""B"""
"Portlaoise ""B"""
Trumera
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 01:47:04 PM
For the u13/15 Roinn A and B

Teams are put into groups,league structure

Top half in each group goes to the A knockout stages

Bottom half in each group goes to the B knockout stages
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 02, 2021, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 01:43:43 PM
Under 15 Hurling 2021 Gradings
Roinn A and B (15 teams)

Borris-in-Ossory Kilcotton
Camross
Castletown
Clough Ballacolla  Gaels
Na Fianna
Park Ratheniska Timahoe
Portarlington
Portlaoise
Raheen Parish Gaels
Rathdowney Errill
Rosenallis
St Fintans Mountrath
St. Lazerians Abbeyleix
St Pauls
The Harps

St. Paul's? Hardly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 02, 2021, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 01:43:43 PM
Under 15 Hurling 2021 Gradings
Roinn A and B (15 teams)

Borris-in-Ossory Kilcotton
Camross
Castletown
Clough Ballacolla  Gaels
Na Fianna
Park Ratheniska Timahoe
Portarlington
Portlaoise
Raheen Parish Gaels
Rathdowney Errill
Rosenallis
St Fintans Mountrath
St. Lazerians Abbeyleix
St Pauls
The Harps

St. Paul's? Hardly.

You best take it up with the county board

That's what came out from them
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 02, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Who are Cloughbolla Gaels???
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2021, 11:40:01 PM
Quote from: Laois man on June 02, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Who are Cloughbolla Gaels???

Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 03, 2021, 09:22:55 AM
So Cloughbolla are playing the 2020 U15 final soon then win or lose they are allowed join for 2021 with 2 clubs that are 10 miles away from them?????
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 03, 2021, 09:25:47 AM
Next thing I will hear is there in the U15 B.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 03, 2021, 09:32:25 AM
Quote from: Laois man on June 03, 2021, 09:25:47 AM
Next thing I will hear is there in the U15 B.

You don't get graded as u15 A or B as I explained in a previous post

Maybe that Ballacolla team are all at the age for 2020 u15 A and have no one coming through for u15 in 2021

Camross are in a similar situation,they have to bring up a whole rake of u13's in 2021 to field at u15
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on June 03, 2021, 10:11:00 AM
Where are the following clubs,
Ballyfin,
Mountmellick,
Clonaslee
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on June 03, 2021, 10:13:22 AM
are they Na Fianna?

great to see Portarlington and Emo.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 03, 2021, 10:22:40 AM
Sure all club would be bringing in U13s to a U15 panel most minor teams have U15s on there starting team. 2 senior clubs and a junior club going together to make up one U15 team how can the small single club match that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 03, 2021, 10:38:43 AM
Quote from: Laois man on June 03, 2021, 10:22:40 AM
Sure all club would be bringing in U13s to a U15 panel most minor teams have U15s on there starting team. 2 senior clubs and a junior club going together to make up one U15 team how can the small single club match that?

I presume you brought your concerns over this amalgamation to the relevant person in the county board before the gradings were finalized for the 2021 season?.

The proposed amalgamations were with all the clubs well in advance of the gradings being set in stone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 03, 2021, 10:44:32 AM
At U15

St. Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)

Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)

At U17

Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)

Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 03, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
Quote from: The Rover on June 03, 2021, 10:13:22 AM
are they Na Fianna?

great to see Portarlington and Emo.

Yes its great to see both Port and Pauls building their way up through the juvenile ranks against all the odds

hopefully in a year or two they will be in a position to put in standalone minor teams also.

A lot could learn from them in the promotion of underage hurling within the county
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 03, 2021, 11:37:15 AM
St. Paul's are with RPG at u15.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 03, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
Well done to St Paul a football area trying and working hard to get hurling going in there area. But for the other join up I rest my case🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on June 03, 2021, 01:26:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 03, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
Quote from: The Rover on June 03, 2021, 10:13:22 AM
are they Na Fianna?

great to see Portarlington and Emo.

Yes its great to see both Port and Pauls building their way up through the juvenile ranks against all the odds

hopefully in a year or two they will be in a position to put in standalone minor teams also.

A lot could learn from them in the promotion of underage hurling within the county

No doubt it's great to see the football areas thriving in hurling underage. I hope it gets the support required to sustain it. Hopefully won't end up like a Slieve Margy and disintegrate over time.

Hopefully these age groups  get some meaningful games this year, coaching in development squads of some description and GDAs can be established in the clubs interested in doing it (across both codes).

The amalgamations as mentioned can be messy and hopefully over time will see clubs fielding on their own where they can. I see Clonad and Trumera underage at 13s on their own good to to see. Hopefully sustain players as they transition to adults.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 03, 2021, 02:40:25 PM
I have a simple enough solution to cutout marriage of convenience amalgamations at juvenile level and help clubs stand on their own and field juvenile teams at u13/15

The aim would to broaden the player base, give more lads game time and force clubs who are in amalgamations but using them not to develop hurling in their clubs to get their acts together.

Club identity would also be reinforced, with lads playing in their own jerseys, training in their own clubs and being coached by their own mentors.


2 Simple rules

1.Clubs stand on their own, no short term amalgamations

2.A B and C terms to be scrapped ,no more "stigmas".



At U13

Id work it as follows

The Jack Finlay league

Which would be 13 a side and clubs would enter by age in descending order their first 17 players


The Paddy Ruschitzko League

Which would be a minimum of 11 and a max of  13 a side and clubs would enter by age in descending order their first 14 players


The Pat Critchely League


Which would be a minimum of 9 and a max of  11 a side and clubs would enter by age in descending order their next 12 players.


The John Taylor League

Which would be a minimum of 7 and a max of  9 a side and clubs would enter by age in descending order their next 11 players.



Pitch sizes would reflect the numbers playing, the pitch hosting a 13 a side game would be proportionately bigger than the one hosting a 9 a side game.



So for example

Portlaoise have 29 players,their first 17  players by age go to the Finlay league and the next 12 go to the Critchley league

Trumera have 12/13 players,they automatically go to the Critchley league.

Mountmellick,Clonaslee or even a pure Football club,have 7/8/9/10/11 hurlers they go to the Taylor league.





Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 03, 2021, 03:03:20 PM
Good idea Clonadmad but some clubs like to take the easy way and join instead of working with what they have. Some of these clubs armies away from each other.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 03, 2021, 03:04:32 PM
Miles away from each other.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 24, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
In fairness, where else would Ballinakill go? They SHOULD have enough w/ 'Pickas, but they are very tight - certainly at u15. Ballacolla are, as well, so...? I know it doesn't look good - and some of these amalgamations do leave a lot behind - but lads need to be hurling to a standard, too. Besides Ballacolla/ Ballinakill/ Ballypickas didn't fare out too well last night - easily beaten by Park-Ratheniska/ Timahoe/ Stradally/ Graiguecullen/ St. Joseph's (!!). It's looking like The Harps will be the ones at u15 - they had a huge win over Borris/ Kilcotton last night. And Mountrath will hardly get away with hiding in the 'B' any more, either! Though fair play to them on their clean sweep of underage titles, they have a couple of really good prospects. Shows that giving up football pays dividends for hurling clubs!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 30, 2021, 02:45:14 PM
How are the minor hurlers shaping up this year.

Any stand out players to keep an eye out for?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 30, 2021, 07:57:41 PM
I get the impression that's it's more about developing next year's minor team, than about this year's one. In other words, a lot of younger players are on the panel.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on July 05, 2021, 10:05:07 PM
And, what's more, I think Kildare will beat them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 05, 2021, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 30, 2021, 07:57:41 PM
I get the impression that's it's more about developing next year's minor team, than about this year's one. In other words, a lot of younger players are on the panel.

It's always about next year with us
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 06, 2021, 02:49:56 PM
Is U20 game and minor game on laois TV tonight and tomorrow night?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 07, 2021, 04:56:35 PM
Decent looking minor team named. Best of luck to them
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 07, 2021, 06:02:51 PM
Live on YouTube


https://youtu.be/rjpxJzMqqRE
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Chrimtain on July 07, 2021, 08:06:28 PM
This is shocking. The state of the two games in Laois is embarrassing
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on July 07, 2021, 08:49:14 PM
As expected. Our lads too small compared to Kildare.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on July 08, 2021, 09:37:23 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on July 07, 2021, 08:49:14 PM
As expected. Our lads too small compared to Kildare.

Disappointing result last night. Full credit to Kildare but regardless an unacceptable result if we wish to see Laois hurling make any progress. I know COVID is a killer for likes of underage development squads and schools hurling which has been lacking past year and half. However Kildare and other counties have same issues. Have seem to made no progress despite high profile involvement.


The 20s as well next week will be interesting to see standard vs Kilkenny. Antrim rolled over after about 15 minutes and game was over. We're a bit light at that level but skill and work-rate seems to be decent. Time will tell.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 08, 2021, 10:02:05 AM
Unbelievable. At u14 I'm fairly sure this team beat Limerick in the Tony Forristal. What the hell has happened in the meantime.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 09, 2021, 12:05:55 PM
Laois to beat Antrim tomorrow??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 09, 2021, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: Laois man on July 09, 2021, 12:05:55 PM
Laois to beat Antrim tomorrow??


Yes
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 09, 2021, 03:57:51 PM
Very important game tomorrow.

I see there are some tickets available for the game. Anyone know how many people will be let in to it?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 13, 2021, 09:09:06 AM
I'm surprised there hasn't been a bit more reaction to the minor result here. Fool me once etc ...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on July 13, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
Didn't expect them to beat Kildare, and I don't think this group was seen as being especially good. A lot of them will be available next year again.

U20s tonight will be interesting. Hopefully!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 13, 2021, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on July 13, 2021, 09:09:06 AM
I'm surprised there hasn't been a bit more reaction to the minor result here. Fool me once etc ...

No one cares

But Shur aren't we building for next year anyways

Same as every year
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 13, 2021, 12:33:35 PM
Is U20 game on any TV channel tonight?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 13, 2021, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 13, 2021, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on July 13, 2021, 09:09:06 AM
I'm surprised there hasn't been a bit more reaction to the minor result here. Fool me once etc ...

No one cares

But Shur aren't we building for next year anyways

Same as every year

Not half enough accountability.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on July 14, 2021, 08:52:33 AM
Did anyone get to see the u-20s last night? Sounds like they gave a strong account of themselves?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on July 14, 2021, 09:20:16 AM
Quote from: Giovanni on July 14, 2021, 08:52:33 AM
Did anyone get to see the u-20s last night? Sounds like they gave a strong account of themselves?

My brother in-law was at it (a Kilkenny man) and was telling me it was an interesting one. He has seen a few encounters down through the years where a Laois underage side came close to taking a scalp off them but this was the only time he remembers a Laois team actually having the better technical players between the 2 sides. Big turning point was in the 4th quarter just after the water break Laois hit a glorious goal chance straight at the keeper which would have put them back 1 up and Kilkenny responded with 3 quick fire points.

I wouldn't know much about this team, but is there many of them underage for next year? I assume there is a decent crop coming up behind which have come from last years good u17 team (even though they didn't go well last year)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on July 14, 2021, 09:28:50 AM
From starting line up
Lorcan fitz
Alan Connolly
Thep Fitzpatrick
Georoid Lynch
Ciarán Byrne
Mark Hennessy are overage. Was at that game and i tell you kilkenny were lucky to win that game. Kilkenny couldnt believe how strong, skillful and physical the laois boys were. The trick now is to blend some of those players into the senior set up. If so the future will be exciting
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on July 14, 2021, 09:50:50 AM
Great to hear it. Hopefully these lads can keep it going.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 14, 2021, 11:01:18 AM
Beaten by KK by 14 points in the minor round robin in 2018.

Good to see that we've improved through the age groups which is a good sign.

U'20 grade is far more important for transition to senior.

Pity they couldn't get the win. It would have been a mighty boost for hurling.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 14, 2021, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on July 14, 2021, 11:01:18 AM
Beaten by KK by 14 points in the minor round robin in 2018.

Good to see that we've improved through the age groups which is a good sign.

U'20 grade is far more important for transition to senior.

Pity they couldn't get the win. It would have been a mighty boost for hurling.

There are some great groups coming through, of which the current 20s are the first. Pity that two of those groups were destroyed by one man at minor. Hopefully we can rebuild them with good coaching at u20 and senior. The future is definitely encouraging. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on July 18, 2021, 10:25:47 AM
Couldnt watch the u20 game last week. Is it online anywhere?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 05, 2021, 10:05:35 AM
I see Portlaoise took an unmerciful beating from the Harps in U15A hurling. 18-20 to 2-01.

Has a Portlaoise team at any grade ever taking such a beating.

If alarm bells weren't ringing in Laois gaa circles then they should be ringing loud and clear now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 05, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
Harps are going to win that championship very easily. No one has got closer than 20 points to them, and they've also had a couple of 40+ point winning margins. Also, Portlaoise aren't strong at that age grade, but more or less found themselves in the 'A' because they were in a weak enough preliminary group, albeit one including Mountrath, who beat them 11-15 to 1-2. I'd imagine the final will be between Harps and Mountrath (or possibly Abbeyleix), with Harps winning by at least 15 points.

Of COURSE, Portlaoise should be doing a lot better, but at u15 Borris, Camross, and Ballacolla are all weak, and in the 'B' championship. And I think Portlaoise are reasonably good at minor level. Hard to be wonderful all the time!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on August 05, 2021, 03:19:48 PM
They have a pick of a 3rd of the population to themselves, if they had serious competition for players from another club in the town it would force them to improve their standards of coaching and player retention, as it is they are at best coasting along
You look in Kildare and Naas who is a simular albeit slightly smaller town with one club dominating leagues in Kilkenny or in a bad year very competitive, meanwhile Portlaoise are playing in B competitions regularly these days
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 05, 2021, 04:20:09 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on August 05, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
Harps are going to win that championship very easily. No one has got closer than 20 points to them, and they've also had a couple of 40+ point winning margins. Also, Portlaoise aren't strong at that age grade, but more or less found themselves in the 'A' because they were in a weak enough preliminary group, albeit one including Mountrath, who beat them 11-15 to 1-2. I'd imagine the final will be between Harps and Mountrath (or possibly Abbeyleix), with Harps winning by at least 15 points.

Of COURSE, Portlaoise should be doing a lot better, but at u15 Borris, Camross, and Ballacolla are all weak, and in the 'B' championship. And I think Portlaoise are reasonably good at minor level. Hard to be wonderful all the time!


Comparing Portlaoise to the likes of small rural clubs is muddying the water at best and disingenuous at worst

Camross have a good crop at minor this year and will be better again next year when those lads are at the age
Ballacolla are competitive and will have lads to feed into the adult set up in time
Borris are struggling at u15 and 13 and 11 but they have a good few lads of 17/18/19 coming in their ranks at adult, they arent caught for numbers at juvenile and they will come good in time.

you are going to have that with rural clubs when you get a good crop in a particular age bracket and you bring them through

You should have a good crop every year with Portlaoise given the size of the parish and the resources available.

Portlaoise should have a team in every division in every age grade and in both codes up and including u17.

instead you got mauled in the u15 last night,you don't have a second lower division u15 team as you don't have the numbers

your u13 first team are already headed for the B with a round to play,

your second u13 team won 1 game on the field of play and are in the C and your minors,I cant see pulling up any trees this year either,given that ye have been yo yoing between A and B for the past few years at that age grade.


While the Harps are favorites, I fancy the winners of Abbeyleix and Mountrath to give them a game in the final.



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 24, 2021, 05:28:38 PM
Something that could be replicated here,if there was a will

Play in either Kk or Tipp leagues

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1242554/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 24, 2021, 06:13:47 PM
It has been done. The Harps used to play in KK leagues, and Clonad did it a while ago, possibly at u14.  Maybe some others, too? But, no - no one currently.

Oh, re. your previous post - I see Portlaoise minors are 'pulling up trees' in their championship, beating R/E by 25 points, or something. Yeah, but just to pick up, I don't think R/E, B/K or even Camross can be described as 'small rural clubs'. They have big areas. A 'small rural club' is Trumera, Colt, Ballyfin, etc.

By the way, I'm not a Portlaoiser, either. But I do know they only had a couple of 15 year olds on their u15s. Most will be that age again next year. Not saying they'll pull up trees then, either. Heh!

But I think a lot of the problem in Portlaoise is that hurling doesn't get much of a look-in in the schools, and the CBS doesn't take it seriously at all.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on August 25, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on August 24, 2021, 06:13:47 PM
It has been done. The Harps used to play in KK leagues, and Clonad did it a while ago, possibly at u14.  Maybe some others, too? But, no - no one currently.

Oh, re. your previous post - I see Portlaoise minors are 'tearing up trees' (a phrase you edited out!) in their championship, beating R/E by 25 points, or something. Yeah, but just to pick up, I don't think R/E, B/K or even Camross can be described as 'small rural clubs'. They have big areas. A 'small rural club' is Trumera, Colt, Ballyfin, etc.

By the way, I'm not a Portlaoiser, either. But I do know they only had a couple of 15 year olds on their u15s. Most will be that age again next year. Not saying they'll tear up trees then, either. Heh!

But I think a lot of the problem in Portlaoise is that hurling doesn't get much of a look-in in the schools, and the CBS doesn't take it seriously at all.

Harps played in kilkenny league this year and have done for 10 years +. I agree portlaoise have a real problem. They have 3 or 4 players to the age at u15 level. How is this allowed happened. The sooner some form of action group is set up within portlaoise gaa club the better.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 20, 2021, 03:58:51 PM
Good win for Port in the u15 b hurling final at the weekend. Couple of very nice players on their team. It would be great if there was a competitive Portarlington adult team in the future as they would have a decent pick for a town their size.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 20, 2021, 04:25:53 PM
Yes, they have a couple of very good lads, one of whom was injured for most of the summer. I'd say if he was available to them early in the year, they'd have been hurling in the 'A' championship. They seem determined to bring this group right on to adult, though whether the football club will allow it remains to be seen.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 20, 2021, 05:31:29 PM
The u13 and u15 competitions are excellent in that you find your level in either the A or the B competitions by playing games in the preliminary group stages

Everyone gets 3 games with the top 2 in each group going to the top 8 in the A and bottom 2 going to be one of 8 teams in the B.

Everyone finds their level and there's no messing with grading in the boardroom

It's all done on the field of play
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 20, 2021, 05:44:50 PM
Actually, there's only 6 in the U15'B', but you're right - this is an excellent way of sorting the men from the boys (!), shall we say! Credit to the juvenile board! Mountrath, for example used to hide in the 'B' championships and pick up handy titles, when this new system shows they're well able for the 'A' standard: this year they got to the u15 'A' final, albeit well beaten by The Harps.

On another note, the Feile hurling finals are on tonight. This year it's u15, and the 'A' semi-finals are Rathdowney/ Errill v Raheen Parish Gaels, and Park-Ratheniska/ Timahoe v The Harps.  I expect an RPG v Harps final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on September 20, 2021, 07:13:33 PM
Are Mountrath not in the Sfinal?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 20, 2021, 08:46:04 PM
Yes. Sorry, the weird system of seperating teams led to some confusion! Mountrath got through instead of Park-Ratheniska.
Harps beat Mountrath in the final.
Castletown beating Port. in B final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on September 20, 2021, 10:01:26 PM
Yes then they go back to making the same stupid mistakes when they have to use their heads, letting the likes of Castletown cod themselves and everyone else back into the B competition and win it by 28 points!!!
Beating Portarlington who won the genuine B competition last Saturday, which I was delighted to see
Clubs cheating the system and fellas on the juvenile board that haven't a clue what's actually happening on the ground in clubs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on September 20, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
I don't think Castletown were cheating anybody look at there results beating by 15 plus points again Aleix well beating by Rdowney Well beating by PRC Gaels.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 20, 2021, 10:31:44 PM
PRC Gaels?!
Raheen Parish Gaels beat Castletown by two.
R/E beat them by six, and by all accounts Castletown ought to have won.
But, yes, as the weakest of the 'A' teams that entered for the Feile, it made sense to have them in the 'B' to have 6 teams in each section. I thought Port. would get closer to them though, I must say.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on September 20, 2021, 10:47:00 PM
Port played Ctown 8 weeks ago in the league and there was only 6 points in it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 20, 2021, 10:49:15 PM
That's true. And Port hadn't Emerson then, either. As I say, I actually thought they'd be better able for Castletown tonight.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on September 20, 2021, 10:57:23 PM
I taught the same but Ctown were very sharp tonight and looked well organised.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 20, 2021, 11:21:24 PM
I suppose Port. had the 'B' championship final Saturday, Feile group stages Sunday, and two more Feile matches tonight? Maybe just wore out?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on September 20, 2021, 11:45:34 PM
Agree. But fair play to port great to see new teams coming along and hopefully see a few of these lads on a minor team very soon. Great work being done over there with there juveniles. A lot of people on this forum give out about everything but i wonder are they in there local Gaa pitch a few nights a week helping out with teams?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on September 24, 2021, 10:14:39 AM
Sounds like big numbers from the football/duel clubs at the U14 hurling with laois.
Think Port and emo had nearly a team between them.
Ballyfin had at least 5 and I think mountmellick had a few as well.

Pity laois today or the papers don't cover these matches. The lads would lvoe to see their names mentioned.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 24, 2021, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: Robbo on September 24, 2021, 10:14:39 AM
Sounds like big numbers from the football/duel clubs at the U14 hurling with laois.
Think Port and emo had nearly a team between them.
Ballyfin had at least 5 and I think mountmellick had a few as well.

Pity laois today or the papers don't cover these matches. The lads would lvoe to see their names mentioned.

2 nice games in Heywood last night,a few good young lads on display

going by the team sheets,the following clubs were represented

Laois West

Castletown 6
R/E 8
B/K 6

Laois East

Mountrath 2
The Harps 6
C/B 9
Trumera 1


Laois South

Abbeyleix 3
Camross 3
Portlaoise 4
PRT 2
Colt/Shanahoe 3
Ballinakill/Ballypickas 2

Laois North

Portarlington 5
St.Pauls 5
Mountmellick 3
Rosenallis 1
Clonaslee 2
Ballyfin 5


For Reference 2020 u13 Finals


B Final

Mountrath 6-4 Park-Ratheniska-Timahoe 0-16

A Final

Castletown 3-12 Clough-Ballacolla 0-11



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 24, 2021, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 20, 2021, 05:44:50 PM
Actually, there's only 6 in the U15'B', but you're right - this is an excellent way of sorting the men from the boys (!), shall we say! Credit to the juvenile board! Mountrath, for example used to hide in the 'B' championships and pick up handy titles, when this new system shows they're well able for the 'A' standard: this year they got to the u15 'A' final, albeit well beaten by The Harps.

On another note, the Feile hurling finals are on tonight. This year it's u15, and the 'A' semi-finals are Rathdowney/ Errill v Raheen Parish Gaels, and Park-Ratheniska/ Timahoe v The Harps.  I expect an RPG v Harps final.

u13

8 Teams went to A and 8 went to the B after the Preliminary group stages

Your Right  6 to the A at u15 and 8 to the B after the Preliminarys also

Not often I praise the County board but they got this spot on.

Agree with you completely in relation to Mountrath

been lurking around winning B cups,did a clean sweep of them in 2020

now they have been forced by winning games to get out of the B and Lo and Behold they find themselves in an A u15 final and an U13 A semi final beaten both times by the Harps

Ditto PRT,beaten in the U13A final and u15A semifinal both times by the Harps as well

This can only be good for hurling in the county with the player base being widened into the bargain.

Delighted also to see Port making the breakthrough at u15B hopefully they will now start entering a minor team.A couple of excellent hurling men driving the whole show over there.

Hopefully Paul's won't go the way of Margy
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 24, 2021, 02:32:44 PM
St. Paul's won't last, sadly. Port. have a better chance, and even that's not better than 50/50. They'll be tight for minor next year, but it could be done. Great work being done there, is right. Hope it pays off for them. The population is there, and it would be good for the county. All depends on how much support they get from the football club.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on September 24, 2021, 08:10:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 24, 2021, 02:32:44 PM
St. Paul's won't last, sadly.
Almost definitely not. Best players will be snapped up by other stronger hurling clubs. Slieve Margy got f***ed over by county board and other clubs and same will happen.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 24, 2021, 08:17:40 PM
Quote from: SCFC on September 24, 2021, 08:10:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on September 24, 2021, 02:32:44 PM
St. Paul's won't last, sadly.
Almost definitely not. Best players will be snapped up by other stronger hurling clubs. Slieve Margy got f***ed over by county board and other clubs and same will happen.


Football followed by the lack of support from the county board is what killed Margy.

There was literally 4 hurling men keeping it going for the last 2/3 years and when 2 of their sons went up to hurl Senior with ballinakill.

The game was up.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Heshs Umpire on September 24, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
The problem for Portarlington will be in 3 years time when that crop of under 15s has to move into adult hurling. They can't all be expected to make up an adult team at the age of 18 and there probably aren't many other 20 something hurlers in the area.
I can't offer a solution either other than what happened with Slieve Margy and the best 4 or 5 lads moved to senior teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on September 27, 2021, 07:23:18 PM
What happened to Slieve Margy isnt a solution and it will only copperfasten the idea that hurling in Port is only a passing fad. This cannot be allowed to happen. An adult hurling club needs to be formed and maybe let it encompass Port and O'Dempseys (possibly others even) together under a different banner/jersey etc and let it be about hurling rather than parochialism. Maybe if players have ambitions to play at higher level they could play with a senior area team until Port come up the grades. This set up would allow Port etc. players to represent the new club at junior c and play at higher level if able and interested with area team. This development in Port must be given every chance to develop into an adult club and not seen as a chance for other clubs to cherrypick players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 04, 2021, 01:48:17 PM
Were any of ye at the minor final? I thought the standard was quite poor. Great win for Camross but a cruel way for Abbeyleix to lose.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 04, 2021, 02:01:57 PM
Great win for Camross shocking unlucky for Aleix. Standard was only shocking no score from play for 40 mins.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 04, 2021, 03:38:48 PM
Camross should and will be delighted with the win.

11/12 of their starters underage again next year with one u14 playing this year.

Knew their limitations and played to them, it worked out  for them.

Abbeyleix for one reason or another didn't perform on the night
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 06, 2021, 07:49:30 AM
Tipperary Coiste Na nOg have been asked to organize this event with guidance from the National Feile committee based in Croke Park. A lot of work has already been done by our Feile Committee with venues secured thanks to our host clubs,  Holycross, Borrisoleigh, Moycarkey Borris, Moneygall  and DMP.  The  Shield and Cup finals will be played in Semple Stadium
Teams from Dublin( St Vincent's), Kilkenny (James Stephens), Wexford ( Glynn Barntown), Waterford (Ballygunner), Limerick ( Monaleen), Clare ( Clonlara), Cork (Middleton),  Galway (Clarinbridge) and Tipperary ( Durlas Og, JK Brackens, Arravale Rvs and Ballina) will play in Division 1
In Division 2 we have Antrim (Oisins), Derry (Erin's Own ), Down (Bredagh), Offaly (Drumcullen), Laois (The Harps), Kildare (Naas), Westmeath (TBC) and Tipperary ( Roscrea, Borrisaleigh, Cashel,  St Mary's and  Mullinahone).
Draws and times will be published by Croke Park next week.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on October 06, 2021, 12:58:44 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 06, 2021, 07:49:30 AM
Tipperary Coiste Na nOg have been asked to organize this event with guidance from the National Feile committee based in Croke Park. A lot of work has already been done by our Feile Committee with venues secured thanks to our host clubs,  Holycross, Borrisoleigh, Moycarkey Borris, Moneygall  and DMP.  The  Shield and Cup finals will be played in Semple Stadium
Teams from Dublin( St Vincent's), Kilkenny (James Stephens), Wexford ( Glynn Barntown), Waterford (Ballygunner), Limerick ( Monaleen), Clare ( Clonlara), Cork (Middleton),  Galway (Clarinbridge) and Tipperary ( Durlas Og, JK Brackens, Arravale Rvs and Ballina) will play in Division 1
In Division 2 we have Antrim (Oisins), Derry (Erin's Own ), Down (Bredagh), Offaly (Drumcullen), Laois (The Harps), Kildare (Naas), Westmeath (TBC) and Tipperary ( Roscrea, Borrisaleigh, Cashel,  St Mary's and  Mullinahone).
Draws and times will be published by Croke Park next week.

Hope this is how Feile can be kept moving forward.
It'll be a great weekend for the players. Presume this year will be played on one day but I know most players and parents would have no issue with coming back on the Sunday to play a semi-final or final.

The Harps should give Div 2 a rattle.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 12, 2021, 12:59:36 PM
Is Derek McGrath seriously being brought back in with our minors again? Mudderagod
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on October 12, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 12, 2021, 12:59:36 PM
Is Derek McGrath seriously being brought back in with our minors again? Mudderagod

Hope so.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 12, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Robbo on October 12, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 12, 2021, 12:59:36 PM
Is Derek McGrath seriously being brought back in with our minors again? Mudderagod

Hope so.

Can you point me to 2/3 achievements that Derek has brought about since his arrival?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on October 12, 2021, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 12, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Robbo on October 12, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 12, 2021, 12:59:36 PM
Is Derek McGrath seriously being brought back in with our minors again? Mudderagod

Hope so.

Can you point me to 2/3 achievements that Derek has brought about since his arrival?

Getting paid in each individual year and collecting  :) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 12, 2021, 03:16:35 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on October 12, 2021, 01:28:00 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 12, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Robbo on October 12, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 12, 2021, 12:59:36 PM
Is Derek McGrath seriously being brought back in with our minors again? Mudderagod

Hope so.

Can you point me to 2/3 achievements that Derek has brought about since his arrival?

Getting paid in each individual year and collecting  :) 8) 8) 8)

You know this for a fact?

I'm not aware of him getting paid or not but I have spoken to a number of players and parents who spoke very highly of him. He is a professional, thorough individual and I genuinely think he is contributing positively to the development of our young players.
I know results have been disappointing but underage sport isnt all about results.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 12, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
It might not be about results but you would like to see an improvement in underage

From what I saw in Newbridge we havent
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 12, 2021, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on October 12, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
It might not be about results but you would like to see an improvement in underage

From what I saw in Newbridge we havent

An improvement? The two groups he has been involved with have regressed immeasurably. The 2020 group beat Offaly by 53 points at U14 and the 2021 group C team beat Kildare at U14. Yet when they get to minor we lose embarrassingly to both. So naturally, our CB give him another group to butcher, just in case he hadn't done enough damage to hurling in Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 12, 2021, 06:20:35 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 12, 2021, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: LOVEGAA on October 12, 2021, 03:42:32 PM
It might not be about results but you would like to see an improvement in underage

From what I saw in Newbridge we havent

An improvement? The two groups he has been involved with have regressed immeasurably. The 2020 group beat Offaly by 53 points at U14 and the 2021 group C team beat Kildare at U14. Yet when they get to minor we lose embarrassingly to both. So naturally, our CB give him another group to butcher, just in case he hadn't done enough damage to hurling in Laois.

Nail on the head ZA

I was just going to post similar myself

If it's not a results business at minor as opposed to "juvenile",then some lads must be ecstatic with how things under Derek's tutelage are proceeding.

So can anyone point to anything else,other than him being a nice man and not to worry about the results
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on October 12, 2021, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: Robbo on October 12, 2021, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 12, 2021, 12:59:36 PM
Is Derek McGrath seriously being brought back in with our minors again? Mudderagod

Hope so.

Wishes he had kept his ill-informed trap shut.... :-X
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 12, 2021, 10:56:37 PM
Personally, I think having an experienced, proven and deep thinking coach (with a pedigree at both underage and adult level) involved with one of our teams is well down the list of our problems.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 13, 2021, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 12, 2021, 10:56:37 PM
Personally, I think having an experienced, proven and deep thinking coach (with a pedigree at both underage and adult level) involved with one of our teams is well down the list of our problems.

So you're happy that our teams have regressed so far under this experienced, proven and deep thinking coach?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 13, 2021, 05:03:40 PM
No.
But correlation and causation are entirely different matters.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 13, 2021, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 13, 2021, 05:03:40 PM
No.
But correlation and causation are entirely different matters.

Yourself and McGrath are well met

Using big words which offer nothing

Next you'll be using Derek's favourite word

"Learnings"

The reality is that McGrath would be gone in a shot if anything else was offered to him in any other county,

that fact that nothing else is on offer says it all.

Meanwhile Offaly with a smaller population and a smaller number of clubs are getting their act together at underage in both codes.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 13, 2021, 06:50:10 PM
Hi ClonadMad,
Nice to hear from you.

I'll translate it for you.
Somebody being present in any given situation does not mean that they are the cause of a problem.

I've no vested interest in McGrath continuing or otherwise.
I do know from speaking to members of the panel over the past two years that there is high regard for the work he does and his approach. Likewise to members of management teams.
I do know of at least one member of a management team who wouldn't be a fan of his. That person is no longer involved. If I had a choice between the two (having seen both in action with teams) it would be McGrath all day.

McGrath's approach worked at underage, schools and adult InterCounty level in the very recent past. Before you ask, my definition of "worked" = Teams performed above the level they had previously been performing and reached stages of the championship that they have failed to reach since.

If the reason for underperforming was as simple as Derek McGrath that would be great.
Continually reducing the size of the panel and the number of players involved over 3-4 years between the ages of 13 and 17 was a large part of the problem with the performance two years ago.
I don't know exactly what went wrong last year.

Have a nice evening,

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 13, 2021, 07:28:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 13, 2021, 06:50:10 PM
Hi ClonadMad,
Nice to hear from you.

I'll translate it for you.
Somebody being present in any given situation does not mean that they are the cause of a problem.

I've no vested interest in McGrath continuing or otherwise.
I do know from speaking to members of the panel over the past two years that there is high regard for the work he does and his approach. Likewise to members of management teams.
I do know of at least one member of a management team who wouldn't be a fan of his. That person is no longer involved. If I had a choice between the two (having seen both in action with teams) it would be McGrath all day.

McGrath's approach worked at underage, schools and adult InterCounty level in the very recent past. Before you ask, my definition of "worked" = Teams performed above the level they had previously been performing and reached stages of the championship that they have failed to reach since.

If the reason for underperforming was as simple as Derek McGrath that would be great.
Continually reducing the size of the panel and the number of players involved over 3-4 years between the ages of 13 and 17 was a large part of the problem with the performance two years ago.
I don't know exactly what went wrong last year.

Have a nice evening,

No need to translate for me I know exactly what it  means

So after 2 years of Derek and using your definition of "worked"

It hasn't worked here

Unfortunately
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 13, 2021, 08:20:05 PM
Hi Clonadmad,
Nice to hear from you.

You could indeed argue that it hasn't worked here.
You could also argue that it is as likely to work as any other management team.
As I mentioned earlier, identifying the root of the underperformance of the past 2 years as Derek McGrath may well be oversimplifying it.

Were nominations sought for minor management? Were any alternative management teams nominated?

Have a nice evening.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 18, 2021, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 13, 2021, 08:20:05 PM
Hi Clonadmad,
Nice to hear from you.

You could indeed argue that it hasn't worked here.
You could also argue that it is as likely to work as any other management team.

As I mentioned earlier, identifying the root of the underperformance of the past 2 years as Derek McGrath may well be oversimplifying it.

Were nominations sought for minor management? Were any alternative management teams nominated?

Have a nice evening.

First point is quite clear and doesn't need much argument.

On the second point, nobody could have possibly done worse so it is quite unlikely to have worked as well as any other.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 18, 2021, 04:47:38 PM
Was the Setanta program in operation this year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on October 18, 2021, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 18, 2021, 04:47:38 PM
Was the Setanta program in operation this year?

Has the Setanta programme been in place in the last decade?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on October 19, 2021, 10:21:12 AM
Those who have been involved with Laois minor hurling panels have all been complimentary of the work that McGrath has done. He was not the manager of this side so for lads to come on here and blame him for results is unfair to say the least. I'd be interested to see how those players progress after his coaching input at minor level. Certainly the U20 side gave an excellent account of themselves in Nowlan Park this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 19, 2021, 11:40:15 AM
 I believe that McGarth has big contacts with a laois business man living in waterford. I don't think it's costing the county board anything so where is the problems? I no lads that have being on the minor panels and have only good things to say about him.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 19, 2021, 02:33:49 PM
Quote from: Robbo on October 18, 2021, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 18, 2021, 04:47:38 PM
Was the Setanta program in operation this year?

Has the Setanta programme been in place in the last decade?

My sister's young lad was at it 3/4 years ago anyway. Can't remember hearing anything about it over the last year or two. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 19, 2021, 02:36:38 PM
Quote from: Laois Rising on October 19, 2021, 10:21:12 AM
Those who have been involved with Laois minor hurling panels have all been complimentary of the work that McGrath has done. He was not the manager of this side so for lads to come on here and blame him for results is unfair to say the least. I'd be interested to see how those players progress after his coaching input at minor level. Certainly the U20 side gave an excellent account of themselves in Nowlan Park this year.

I think it's very fair to blame the lad coaching the team day in day out for poor results and a huge regression in the bunch as a whole. Who else is to blame? The dry cleaner??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 19, 2021, 03:48:37 PM
Are you sure he was doing all the coaching? I seeing the minors train and there was other lads doing drills while McGarth looked on. Should be no bother to get a new County Chairman a lot of people on here know all the wrongs so they might be able to get it all right if they go for the chair 😂
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 19, 2021, 05:14:15 PM
Quote from: Laois man on October 19, 2021, 03:48:37 PM
Are you sure he was doing all the coaching? I seeing the minors train and there was other lads doing drills while McGarth looked on. Should be no bother to get a new County Chairman a lot of people on here know all the wrongs so they might be able to get it all right if they go for the chair 😂

You'll never have a problem getting a chairman
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 27, 2021, 01:49:16 PM
The Harps out in group 2 in Division 2 of the National hurling Feile tomorrow

Playing Borrisileigh in Borrisileigh at 10:30 and Cashel in Borrisileigh for 12

if they top the group they play the group 1 winners which contain Naas, Bredagh and Roscrea in Borrisileigh for 1 in the cup semifinal.

It will be interesting to see how they get on.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 27, 2021, 02:08:51 PM
Best of luck to the Harps.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on October 27, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
There may be a clear 'Big Four' in Laois hurling at the moment but with the conveyor belt of talent that is already starting to come through and will come through over the next 5/6 years you can see the Harps breaking that monopoly in Laois sooner rather than later. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 27, 2021, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: Laois Rising on October 27, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
There may be a clear 'Big Four' in Laois hurling at the moment but with the conveyor belt of talent that is already starting to come through and will come through over the next 5/6 years you can see the Harps breaking that monopoly in Laois sooner rather than later.

The Harps have had the best run juvenile hurling set up for the past number of years

I expect them to win the u13 and u15 A again in 2022 with an At the Age Camross team potentially halting them at Minor A

if they keep doing what they are doing

It's only a matter of time before they win a senior title
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 27, 2021, 05:21:32 PM
Big step up from Under age to Adult. Camross have 2 or 3minor final won but have 26 seniors won. I know lads who have lots of talent at underage and never played with thee first Adult team in the club after. Best of luck to the Harps i hope it works out for them but it's not easy.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 28, 2021, 01:22:16 PM
Harps have won 2 from 2

Wins over borrisileigh and Cashel

Into Div 2 semifinal
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on October 28, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on October 28, 2021, 01:22:16 PM
Harps have won 2 from 2

Wins over borrisileigh and Cashel

Into Div 2 semifinal

2 relatively convincing wins this morning. Naas in semi final at 2. Final at 5 in Semple Stadium. Would be great to see them winning it out after being so convincing in Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 28, 2021, 03:17:06 PM
Bet Naas 4-9 to 1-3

Into the Div 2 Final


Feile Final at 5 pm in Semple Stadium against Oisins GAC Glenariffe (Antrim).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on October 28, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: Laois man on October 27, 2021, 05:21:32 PM
Big step up from Under age to Adult. Camross have 2 or 3minor final won but have 26 seniors won. I know lads who have lots of talent at underage and never played with thee first Adult team in the club after. Best of luck to the Harps i hope it works out for them but it's not easy.

Wouldn't The Harps have been one of the main opposition along with RE to the Clough Ballacolla underage teams that won a lot during the 00's? I maybe wrong but I do have a recollection of a Harps team stopping a Ballacolla 3 in a row in a final at either u16 or minor.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 28, 2021, 06:38:30 PM
The Harps beaten in the Div2 Feile Final by Oisin Og Glenariff
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 28, 2021, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: ottoman on October 28, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: Laois man on October 27, 2021, 05:21:32 PM
Big step up from Under age to Adult. Camross have 2 or 3minor final won but have 26 seniors won. I know lads who have lots of talent at underage and never played with thee first Adult team in the club after. Best of luck to the Harps i hope it works out for them but it's not easy.

Wouldn't The Harps have been one of the main opposition along with RE to the Clough Ballacolla underage teams that won a lot during the 00's? I maybe wrong but I do have a recollection of a Harps team stopping a Ballacolla 3 in a row in a final at either u16 or minor.
They lost a lot of good players off that team in their early 20s if I remember correctly and a good few that played with Laois - Brian galvin, Sean Burke, 2 delahuntys, ciaran Fitz.. They seemed to have problems with their best players underage not fulfilling their true potential
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on October 29, 2021, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on October 28, 2021, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: ottoman on October 28, 2021, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: Laois man on October 27, 2021, 05:21:32 PM
Big step up from Under age to Adult. Camross have 2 or 3minor final won but have 26 seniors won. I know lads who have lots of talent at underage and never played with thee first Adult team in the club after. Best of luck to the Harps i hope it works out for them but it's not easy.

Wouldn't The Harps have been one of the main opposition along with RE to the Clough Ballacolla underage teams that won a lot during the 00's? I maybe wrong but I do have a recollection of a Harps team stopping a Ballacolla 3 in a row in a final at either u16 or minor.
They lost a lot of good players off that team in their early 20s if I remember correctly and a good few that played with Laois - Brian galvin, Sean Burke, 2 delahuntys, ciaran Fitz.. They seemed to have problems with their best players underage not fulfilling their true potential

There is a few names id forgotten. Brian Galvin was a great player, deffo one that could have featured more at inter county level if he was around.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 29, 2021, 05:34:42 PM
Brian is over in Australia a good few years now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 01, 2021, 01:22:38 PM
Q. In the U20 hurling Cship what teams make up Raheen parish Gaels? And what teams make up Na Fianna?Harps should be strong at this grade.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 07:49:18 PM
Quote from: Laois man on November 01, 2021, 01:22:38 PM
Q. In the U20 hurling Cship what teams make up Raheen parish Gaels? And what teams make up Na Fianna?Harps should be strong at this grade.

A Championship
      
      
1.Borris in Ossory Kilcotton         
2.Camross                  
3.Castletown               
4.Clough Ballacolla            
5.Rathdowney Errill            
6.St. Lazerian's Abbeyleix         
7.The Harps


B Championship


1.Clonaslee St Manmans
2.Na Fianna
3.Park Ratheniska Timahoe
4.Na Fianna
5.Portlaoise
6.Raheen Parish Gaels
7.Rosenallis
8.Ballinakill/Ballypickas

Open to correction

But Na Fianna in this competition are Ballyfin Mountmellick and Slieve Bloom.

RPG are Clonad Shanahoe and Colt

I believe Trumera are in with C/B in the A

I dont know who Mountrath are gone in with?.

Id expect a very competitive A Championship with Abbeyleix,C/B (if they have the trumera crew on board),Borris and the Harps all to be in the mix

Rosenallis,Id have as strong favorites for the B

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 01, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
I believe trumera are part of the Raheen Parish Gaels set up this year. Ballinakill/ballypickas were reverted back to the B which leaves 7 teams in the A.
Favourites in the A have to be Abbeyleix provided their exploits with Ballyroan in the football dosent hamper each other.
I expect a strong challenge from rathdowney-errill too who have a few players with senior experience.
The Harps are reportely missing a few big players with injuries which could prevent them challenging.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 01, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
I believe trumera are part of the Raheen Parish Gaels set up this year. Ballinakill/ballypickas were reverted back to the B which leaves 7 teams in the A.
Favourites in the A have to be Abbeyleix provided their exploits with Ballyroan in the football dosent hamper each other.
I expect a strong challenge from rathdowney-errill too who have a few players with senior experience.
The Harps are reportely missing a few big players with injuries which could prevent them challenging.


some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20

your right in relation to ballinakill and Pickas though,they are in the B
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 01, 2021, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 01, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
Still no idea of what happened to the mountrath contingent. They surely have some platform for their players in this year's U20 championships




I believe trumera are part of the Raheen Parish Gaels set up this year. Ballinakill/ballypickas were reverted back to the B which leaves 7 teams in the A.
Favourites in the A have to be Abbeyleix provided their exploits with Ballyroan in the football dosent hamper each other.
I expect a strong challenge from rathdowney-errill too who have a few players with senior experience.
The Harps are reportely missing a few big players with injuries which could prevent them challenging.


some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20

your right in relation to ballinakill and Pickas though,they are in the B
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 01, 2021, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 01, 2021, 08:26:50 PM
Still no idea of what happened to the mountrath contingent. They surely have some platform for their players in this year's U20 championships




I believe trumera are part of the Raheen Parish Gaels set up this year. Ballinakill/ballypickas were reverted back to the B which leaves 7 teams in the A.
Favourites in the A have to be Abbeyleix provided their exploits with Ballyroan in the football dosent hamper each other.
I expect a strong challenge from rathdowney-errill too who have a few players with senior experience.
The Harps are reportely missing a few big players with injuries which could prevent them challenging.


some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20

your right in relation to ballinakill and Pickas though,they are in the B

You'd like to think Mountrath have gone in with someone

I'd have thought they would have more than enough numbers to enter a team in the B at the very least

Themselves and Trumera are the logical fit 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 01, 2021, 09:27:34 PM
How can Trumrea go to Cbolla?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on November 01, 2021, 09:57:51 PM
Anyone know the make up of the Laois U16 panel / management or how it's going?
Just interested as I see a post on Offaly Gaa about a win over our u16s tonight at the centre of excellence, struck me how mature / fit / conditioned looking the Offaly panel are.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 01, 2021, 10:02:39 PM
Quote from: Laois man on November 01, 2021, 09:27:34 PM
How can Trumrea go to Cbolla?

They won a minor 3 years ago with mountrath and trumera unbelievably
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 10:03:12 PM
Quote from: Ogie on November 01, 2021, 09:57:51 PM
Anyone know the make up of the Laois U16 panel / management or how it's going?
Just interested as I see a post on Offaly Gaa about a win over our u16s tonight at the centre of excellence, struck me how mature / fit / conditioned looking the Offaly panel are.

They took a bit of a beating off an Offaly team who had about of a third of their A players playing.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 01, 2021, 10:17:58 PM
I heard from a Trumrea offical that there with Raheen parish Gaels U20 and not Cbolla.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 02, 2021, 09:40:52 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 10:03:12 PM
Quote from: Ogie on November 01, 2021, 09:57:51 PM
Anyone know the make up of the Laois U16 panel / management or how it's going?
Just interested as I see a post on Offaly Gaa about a win over our u16s tonight at the centre of excellence, struck me how mature / fit / conditioned looking the Offaly panel are.

They took a bit of a beating off an Offaly team who had about of a third of their A players playing.

Wouldn't most counties be missing a lot of their U16 squad at this time of year as the best of them are with the minors or was it next years minors who played Offaly? Worrying if it was.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 11:56:23 AM
Its the Foley u16 Cup competition they are playing in,so Im presuming they are u17 next year

Out against Wexford in round 3 in the CoE next Monday night at 7 pm

U14's are playing against Kilkenny in Kk next Saturday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 08:32:29 PM



some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20


Trumera are with RPG at u20 only.
No Trumera players with RPG at u15 or u17 this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 08:32:29 PM



some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20


Trumera are with RPG at u20 only.
No Trumera players with RPG at u15 or u17 this year.

So what club were Trumera players playing with at u15 and u17 this year then?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 02, 2021, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 08:32:29 PM



some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20


Trumera are with RPG at u20 only.
No Trumera players with RPG at u15 or u17 this year.

So what club were Trumera players playing with at u15 and u17 this year then?

I know their u15s definitely played with mountrath. Not sure about the 17s
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 05:43:05 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 02, 2021, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 01, 2021, 08:32:29 PM



some of the Trumera lads were in with RPG at 15 and 17 this year,

some were also definitely in with mountrath at 15 as well,their best forward is a son of a well known Trumera stalwart.

But they definitely aren't in with RPG at 20


Trumera are with RPG at u20 only.
No Trumera players with RPG at u15 or u17 this year.

So what club were Trumera players playing with at u15 and u17 this year then?

I know their u15s definitely played with mountrath. Not sure about the 17s

They had 2 lads with mountrath at 15,they had the majority in with RPG

I know they are a small club and they are doing their best by any means to survive but maybe if they went in for a medium term amalgamation and bring all their players to the one club,it would be cleaner

Mountrath seems the logical choice,I know 7/8 of the Trumera lads that won the intermediate this year,all got their juvenile hiring education in mountrath.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Home Boys Home on November 02, 2021, 05:43:45 PM
I also heard Trumera were with RPG for the u20. Trumera have 5 or 6 good players at that age so will give RPG a big boost. Surprising to see Ballinakill Ballypickas in the B, probably around 7 of their u20s have hurled with Ballinakill Premier Intermediates this year and a couple of lads won the Junior with Ballypickas too, so they have a good base there and are probably better than a couple of teams in the A championship.

The A should be very competitive. Harps, Abbeyleix, Rathdowney Errill,  Borris Kilcotton and Clough Ballacolla will all hope to be there or thereabouts. Castletown and Camross both have some excellent individual players but are probably not as strong all round as the others at this particular age group.

Although Ciaran Burke is a big loss if out injured, I would say Harps are favourites, they will be very committed and strong all round from 1-15.  Abbeyleix will be be decent, but seem to have seen a couple of talented players drop away since Juvenile and as alluded to above, football might be an issue for them as nearly all are dual players.

Rathdowney Errill have a bye to semi final and will definitely be in the mix with the likes of Dylan Carroll, Thep Fitzpatrick and Padraig Rafter. Clough Ballacolla possibly would have won 2020 minor but for injuries to key players and they have the likes of Mark Hennessy, Cillian Dunne and Podge Brennan so again they will be competitive.  Borris Kilcotton will be strong too with Philip Tynan, Niall Coss and Noah Quinlan impressing in the Senior.

Hopefully we will get half decent weather and see a few good competitive matches.



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 05:43:05 PM

They had 2 lads with mountrath at 15,they had the majority in with RPG

I know they are a small club and they are doing their best by any means to survive but maybe if they went in for a medium term amalgamation and bring all their players to the one club,it would be cleaner

Mountrath seems the logical choice,I know 7/8 of the Trumera lads that won the intermediate this year,all got their juvenile hiring education in mountrath.

What are you on about? No Trumera lads played u15 for RPG this year. Can you name one?
Trumera USED to have players w/ RPG, but that all stopped 3 or 4 years ago when they went to Mountrath. This year's u20 arrangement is the only RPG team Trumera have involvement in for a couple of years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 02, 2021, 06:48:07 PM
Cbolla won the minor with mrath/Trumrea in 2018 around 8 or 9 of that panel were from Mrath/Trumrea. I wonder how are Cbolla for numbers now without some many missing from there minor panel? Harps probably the standout team at this grade.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 05:43:05 PM

They had 2 lads with mountrath at 15,they had the majority in with RPG

I know they are a small club and they are doing their best by any means to survive but maybe if they went in for a medium term amalgamation and bring all their players to the one club,it would be cleaner

Mountrath seems the logical choice,I know 7/8 of the Trumera lads that won the intermediate this year,all got their juvenile hiring education in mountrath.

What are you on about? No Trumera lads played u15 for RPG this year. Can you name one?
Trumera USED to have players w/ RPG, but that all stopped 3 or 4 years ago when they went to Mountrath. This year's u20 arrangement is the only RPG team Trumera have involvement in for a couple of years.

If you think I'm naming any child on a public forum,you've another thing coming

Have a look at the independent teams sent out by the CB at the start of this year


U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels





Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 07:20:50 PM
Well, as you know, the county board often gets things wrong. St Paul's entered no team at u15, and played w/ RPG - and Trumera played with Mountrath.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 02, 2021, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:12:58 PM

U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels

This is utterly ridiculous.
The hopping from area team to area team is bordering on underhand.
If you aren't good enough , go to the B.
If you don't have the numbers, play a significant number of players up from the grade below.
If this absolutely isn't an option, join with an established partner.
I really think the CB need to tidy this up.

If you want to join up with somebody at a particular grade and it is a geographically sound join up- Fine.

If you don't need to join up at other grades- OK

However if you want to go with Club B at one grade. You absolutely cannot form an alternative arrangement with Club C at another grade.

This would work two ways.
It would certainly put pressure on stronger clubs with enough players of their own.
Happy to facilitate a smaller club at u17 to increase your own chances? Great. But, be aware, if you don't need them at u13 and they need to go elsewhere, you can't have them at u17.

Bed hopping serves nobody, but ultimately reduces our playing pool on an annual basis.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:45:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 07:20:50 PM
Well, as you know, the county board often gets things wrong. St Paul's entered no team at u15, and played w/ RPG - and Trumera played with Mountrath.

Really

here's one then for you how many registered Trumera players played with mountrath  at u15 this year?

Don't need names

just the number
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 02, 2021, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:12:58 PM

U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels

This is utterly ridiculous.
The hopping from area team to area team is bordering on underhand.
If you aren't good enough , go to the B.
If you don't have the numbers, play a significant number of players up from the grade below.
If this absolutely isn't an option, join with an established partner.
I really think the CB need to tidy this up.

If you want to join up with somebody at a particular grade and it is a geographically sound join up- Fine.

If you don't need to join up at other grades- OK

However if you want to go with Club B at one grade. You absolutely cannot form an alternative arrangement with Club C at another grade.

This would work two ways.
It would certainly put pressure on stronger clubs with enough players of their own.
Happy to facilitate a smaller club at u17 to increase your own chances? Great. But, be aware, if you don't need them at u13 and they need to go elsewhere, you can't have them at u17.

Bed hopping serves nobody, but ultimately reduces our playing pool on an annual basis.


Excellent post

This whole bed hopping is a cancer on hurling development in this county

It's one thing clubs trying to pull short sighted strokes in the hope of winning cups in marriage of convenience short term amalgamations while killing themselves by whittling down their own player base.

But ultimately the blame lies with the County Board for facilitating this ongoing farce

The likes of the Harps who do their business right were cheated out of a few recent minor titles by this sort of shameful carry on
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 02, 2021, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 02, 2021, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:12:58 PM

U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels

This is utterly ridiculous.
The hopping from area team to area team is bordering on underhand.
If you aren't good enough , go to the B.
If you don't have the numbers, play a significant number of players up from the grade below.
If this absolutely isn't an option, join with an established partner.
I really think the CB need to tidy this up.

If you want to join up with somebody at a particular grade and it is a geographically sound join up- Fine.

If you don't need to join up at other grades- OK

However if you want to go with Club B at one grade. You absolutely cannot form an alternative arrangement with Club C at another grade.

This would work two ways.
It would certainly put pressure on stronger clubs with enough players of their own.
Happy to facilitate a smaller club at u17 to increase your own chances? Great. But, be aware, if you don't need them at u13 and they need to go elsewhere, you can't have them at u17.

Bed hopping serves nobody, but ultimately reduces our playing pool on an annual basis.


Excellent post

This whole bed hopping is a cancer on hurling development in this county

It's one thing clubs trying to pull short sighted strokes in the hope of winning cups in marriage of convenience short term amalgamations while killing themselves by whittling down their own player base.

But ultimately the blame lies with the County Board for facilitating this ongoing farce

The likes of the Harps who do their business right were cheated out of a few recent minor titles by this sort of shameful carry on

I totally agree with both above posts.. How the county allow such amalgamations is a total kick in the arse to the games development. Every grade should be properly assessed at the start of the year. Even if they have to facilitate 11 a side championsbips, do it.
Nothing worse than the bed hopping that's been going on the last few years for underage titles
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 02, 2021, 08:05:15 PM
It took The Harps a few years to cop on too!

They went in with Clough Ballacolla (in the B) on a couple of occasions (going back a while granted!!) and were happy enough to facilitate Cha for a good few years when their numbers were absolutely not a problem!
Still, you are correct, those days appear to be long gone!

Barring Rathdowney Errill, I don't think there is a club who have actually stood totally on their own two feet for the last 15/20 years. Open to correction.

Is there any possibility of or basis for the CB establishing Parish Rule at juvenile level? Or recognized area teams that you can elect to be part of or not at any given grade in any given year.
IE- 4 or 5 Set Area teams.
You join the one you are assigned to or you play on your own.
No inbetweens or alternatives.
Somehow, I feel the attraction of winning a Minor as part of South Laois, East Laois or North Laois might not be quite as tempting as winning one as Club A/Club B (wearing Club A's jerseys).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 08:49:12 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 02, 2021, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:52:08 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 02, 2021, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:12:58 PM

U15
Independent Teams
Clough Ballacolla Gaels
(Clough Ballacolla, Ballinakill & Ballypickas)
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera)
St Pauls
(Courtwood & Emo)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels
(Annanough, Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise, Ballylinan
Crettyard, Graiguecullen, St Josephs, Stradbally)

U17
Independent Teams
Ballinakill & Ballypickas
Na Fianna
(Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Raheen Parish Gaels
(Clonad, Colt, Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
Park Ratheniska Timahoe Gaels

This is utterly ridiculous.
The hopping from area team to area team is bordering on underhand.
If you aren't good enough , go to the B.
If you don't have the numbers, play a significant number of players up from the grade below.
If this absolutely isn't an option, join with an established partner.
I really think the CB need to tidy this up.

If you want to join up with somebody at a particular grade and it is a geographically sound join up- Fine.

If you don't need to join up at other grades- OK

However if you want to go with Club B at one grade. You absolutely cannot form an alternative arrangement with Club C at another grade.

This would work two ways.
It would certainly put pressure on stronger clubs with enough players of their own.
Happy to facilitate a smaller club at u17 to increase your own chances? Great. But, be aware, if you don't need them at u13 and they need to go elsewhere, you can't have them at u17.

Bed hopping serves nobody, but ultimately reduces our playing pool on an annual basis.


Excellent post

This whole bed hopping is a cancer on hurling development in this county

It's one thing clubs trying to pull short sighted strokes in the hope of winning cups in marriage of convenience short term amalgamations while killing themselves by whittling down their own player base.

But ultimately the blame lies with the County Board for facilitating this ongoing farce

The likes of the Harps who do their business right were cheated out of a few recent minor titles by this sort of shameful carry on

I totally agree with both above posts.. How the county allow such amalgamations is a total kick in the arse to the games development. Every grade should be properly assessed at the start of the year. Even if they have to facilitate 11 a side championsbips, do it.
Nothing worse than the bed hopping that's been going on the last few years for underage titles

I've seen it done in some counties

Where A is 15 a side
B 13
C 11
D 9

And there's no short term amalgamations allowed under any circumstances

I know of one county where there's a motion in for an u20 c championship in both codes and it also 11 a side to facilitate the small clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 02, 2021, 09:11:44 PM
So who are mrath with U20?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:45:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 07:20:50 PM
Well, as you know, the county board often gets things wrong. St Paul's entered no team at u15, and played w/ RPG - and Trumera played with Mountrath.

Really

here's one then for you how many registered Trumera players played with mountrath  at u15 this year?

Don't need names

just the number

There's at least two what I'd consider Trumera players. Don't know who they're registered with, to be honest.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 07:45:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 07:20:50 PM
Well, as you know, the county board often gets things wrong. St Paul's entered no team at u15, and played w/ RPG - and Trumera played with Mountrath.

Really

here's one then for you how many registered Trumera players played with mountrath  at u15 this year?

Don't need names

just the number

There's at least two what I'd consider Trumera players. Don't know who they're registered with, to be honest.

And yet all their playing lives they've been registered as Mountrath players

Mountrath seems to be a Trumera nursery club at this point
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 11:09:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 10:51:18 PM

And yet all their playing lives they've been registered as Mountrath players


No, that's not quite true. However, I know what you mean - they certainly have been for the last few years.

On top of that, Trumera are developing a knack of attracting players that aren't quite 'theirs'.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 02, 2021, 11:09:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 02, 2021, 10:51:18 PM

And yet all their playing lives they've been registered as Mountrath players


No, that's not quite true. However, I know what you mean - they certainly have been for the last few years.

On top of that, Trumera are developing a knack of attracting players that aren't quite 'theirs'.

And I'm not having a pop at Trumera here

Far from it

There are doing everything in their power to survive and prosper and fair fucks to them for getting out of intermediate this year

But wouldn't they and ever other club in the county be better off if instead of farming lads out

They could train them in their own field,coached by their own mentors and wear their own jersey in 15/13/11/9 a side competitions
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 02, 2021, 11:15:53 PM
In fairness, in some of those cases I think it is generally accepted by both sides that they will end up playing with Trumera.
Automatically entitled to a transfer under the parentage rule in Laois bye laws.
Somewhat of an unspoken, mutually beneficial arrangement
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 04, 2021, 11:32:20 AM
Quote from: Laois man on November 02, 2021, 09:11:44 PM
So who are mrath with U20?

Mountrath arent in with anyone is what I've heard and havent entered a team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 04, 2021, 04:12:47 PM
Heywood well beaten by Johnstown in first round of senior schools championship today. A strong Heywood team out containing a lot of laois minors over the last 2 years. A bad sign for Laois hurling unfortunately.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: town1980 on November 04, 2021, 04:50:12 PM
yes because all them will be called up to the senior panel this year by chedder
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on November 04, 2021, 05:08:48 PM
Johnston probably have a few Harps lads to be fair.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 09, 2021, 11:56:16 AM
U15 last night

Laois A beat Wexford by 2 points

Laois B took a bit of trimming from the other Wexford team.

U14

Both laois teams took a hiding from the 2 kilkenny teams in Dunmore on Saturday last while we had another 2 Laois teams playing 2 Wicklow teams at the same time in the Centre of Excellence
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 12, 2021, 04:46:42 PM
U20 Cship starting tomorrow you would be thinking Harps will have too much for Camross and Cbolla will have too much for Ctown.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 12, 2021, 05:01:57 PM
Borris Kilcotton advertising a Games Promotion officer position
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on November 12, 2021, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 12, 2021, 05:01:57 PM
Borris Kilcotton advertising a Games Promotion officer position

There's a few clubs taking up the option of Games Promotion Officer in Laois. I know my own club are sharing one among 3 clubs as a start. 1-2 town clubs clubs I think exploring on their own from what I heard.

A good addition providing the GPOs are decent at coaching.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 13, 2021, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: Laois man on November 12, 2021, 04:46:42 PM
U20 Cship starting tomorrow you would be thinking Harps will have too much for Camross and Cbolla will have too much for Ctown.
Huge wins for The harps and castletown in today's U20 quarters. Surely that is a big surprise castletown beating CB. Thought they might get to the final meself
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 13, 2021, 05:45:29 PM
Ctown won easy Cbolla had 2 late goals Ctown were hungry and hurled very well. Harps to win the final do.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 17, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
Good win for Mountrath over Castlecomer yesterday in the schools hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 17, 2021, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 17, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
Good win for Mountrath over Castlecomer yesterday in the schools hurling.


Portlaoise Cbs beaten by 4 points by Bagnelstown in the Senior Schools C yesterday

Given the population of that school and the number of clubs feeding into the school,it's abysmal to say the least the state that Gaelic games is in there

Across all levels in hurling they are in C and bar senior football where they are in the B,they are in the C at every other grade of football as well.

Compare and contrast with the Girls school on the same campus and what they have achieved across 3/4 codes

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 17, 2021, 02:34:08 PM
I was at the Mrath /Comer schools game mrath won handy enough Castlecomer were poor. Most of the Mrath team is made up of Ctown and Camross lads I think one from Mrath one from Cbolla and Ballyfin and 2 from Borris/kcotton. Mrath play Tullamore next and hopefully they can win that and top the group. Sorry mrath have one player from plaois aswell. Good to see the county minor manager at the game yesterday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 17, 2021, 05:33:46 PM
That's shocking regarding CBS Portlaoise.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 17, 2021, 09:30:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 17, 2021, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 17, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
Good win for Mountrath over Castlecomer yesterday in the schools hurling.


Portlaoise Cbs beaten by 4 points by Bagnelstown in the Senior Schools C yesterday

Given the population of that school and the number of clubs feeding into the school,it's abysmal to say the least the state that Gaelic games is in there

Across all levels in hurling they are in C and bar senior football where they are in the B,they are in the C at every other grade of football as well.

Compare and contrast with the Girls school on the same campus and what they have achieved across 3/4 codes

That truly is a very sad state of affairs. And it's only going to get worse. With no real plan in place for development of hurling in the town, it will have a huge knock on affect not just in Portlaoise but for any county hurling teams going forward. How has it come to be so bad. Is their anyone in that club willing to address the problems.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on November 17, 2021, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 17, 2021, 09:30:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 17, 2021, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 17, 2021, 12:59:06 PM
Good win for Mountrath over Castlecomer yesterday in the schools hurling.


Portlaoise Cbs beaten by 4 points by Bagnelstown in the Senior Schools C yesterday

Given the population of that school and the number of clubs feeding into the school,it's abysmal to say the least the state that Gaelic games is in there

Across all levels in hurling they are in C and bar senior football where they are in the B,they are in the C at every other grade of football as well.

Compare and contrast with the Girls school on the same campus and what they have achieved across 3/4 codes

That truly is a very sad state of affairs. And it's only going to get worse. With no real plan in place for development of hurling in the town, it will have a huge knock on affect not just in Portlaoise but for any county hurling teams going forward. How has it come to be so bad. Is their anyone in that club willing to address the problems.
Apologies seen the post now. Yeah it's disappointing that they're in the C. If the likes of Naas CBS can be in a B competition they should be at least matching that. Not trying to go off topic referring to other counties; and we wonder when we lost to Kildare at minor when we've highest urban population exposed to shoddy standard and not even standing out in it. Great to see Mountrath doing well but disappointing to see former school gone to dogs both football and hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on November 19, 2021, 02:10:15 PM
A school's team is only as good as the players that are filtering in from the clubs. You cannot blame Portlaoise CBS- the blame lies squarely with how football is promoted and developed by Portlaoise GAA and Laois GAA. Both the club and county board have failed abysmally to put any structures/long term planning in place over last two decades and now they are reaping what they sowed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 19, 2021, 02:15:19 PM
Quote from: Laois Rising on November 19, 2021, 02:10:15 PM
A school's team is only as good as the players that are filtering in from the clubs. You cannot blame Portlaoise CBS- the blame lies squarely with how football is promoted and developed by Portlaoise GAA and Laois GAA. Both the club and county board have failed abysmally to put any structures/long term planning in place over last two decades and now they are reaping what they sowed.

In that case Knockbeg must be down in E or F football and no hurling given they probably have half the playing population of the CBS available to them at most and drawing from Laois clubs as well

Except they ain't
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on November 19, 2021, 02:50:39 PM
Nearly all of the best footballers in south Laois end up going to Knockbeg, sprinkled in with some of the best young GAA players from clubs in Carlow, Wicklow, parts of Kildare and Kilkenny, Knockbeg will always field competitive teams, especially in football.

The problem for Portlaoise CBS is that a large cohort of male pupils joining the school do not play or have played little or no GAA. How can they field competitive teams if the pool of potential players is dwindling year on year? Killian FitzPatrick is considered one of the top GAA coaches/managers in the county and is working in the CBS. If the players were there, Portlaoise CBS have the facilities and staff to compete at the top table.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 19, 2021, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: Laois Rising on November 19, 2021, 02:50:39 PM
Nearly all of the best footballers in south Laois end up going to Knockbeg, sprinkled in with some of the best young GAA players from clubs in Carlow, Wicklow, parts of Kildare and Kilkenny, Knockbeg will always field competitive teams, especially in football.

The problem for Portlaoise CBS is that a large cohort of male pupils joining the school do not play or have played little or no GAA. How can they field competitive teams if the pool of potential players is dwindling year on year? Killian FitzPatrick is considered one of the top GAA coaches/managers in the county and is working in the CBS. If the players were there, Portlaoise CBS have the facilities and staff to compete at the top table.

Killian Fitzpatrick is taking every football team in the CBS and seems to be a one man band as regards the coaching of football in the Cbs

Compare and contrast that with the number of mentors and the ethos in Knockbeg as regards football

Strip out the lads going to the CBS who don't play GAA and I'll guarantee you the CBS has  greater numbers still than Knockbeg

You have about 7/8 clubs represented in there as well

Also why then is the girls school doing better next door at nearly every sporting discipline ?

I guess it might be something to do with ethos,tradition,teachers involved and the fact they seem to be training the whole time even during the summer holidays
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 24, 2021, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 09, 2021, 11:56:16 AM
U15 last night

Laois A beat Wexford by 2 points

Laois B took a bit of trimming from the other Wexford team.

U14

Both laois teams took a hiding from the 2 kilkenny teams in Dunmore on Saturday last while we had another 2 Laois teams playing 2 Wicklow teams at the same time in the Centre of Excellence

Sounds like we have great numbers at that age group. Have we ever had 4 teams at one year before?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 24, 2021, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 24, 2021, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 09, 2021, 11:56:16 AM
U15 last night

Laois A beat Wexford by 2 points

Laois B took a bit of trimming from the other Wexford team.

U14

Both laois teams took a hiding from the 2 kilkenny teams in Dunmore on Saturday last while we had another 2 Laois teams playing 2 Wicklow teams at the same time in the Centre of Excellence

Sounds like we have great numbers at that age group. Have we ever had 4 teams at one year before?

its the 4 divisional teams that are being put out and getting game time

at U15 both laois teams took a heavy beating from the 2 Wexford teams in the return games last Saturday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 25, 2021, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 24, 2021, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 24, 2021, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 09, 2021, 11:56:16 AM
U15 last night

Laois A beat Wexford by 2 points

Laois B took a bit of trimming from the other Wexford team.

U14

Both laois teams took a hiding from the 2 kilkenny teams in Dunmore on Saturday last while we had another 2 Laois teams playing 2 Wicklow teams at the same time in the Centre of Excellence

Sounds like we have great numbers at that age group. Have we ever had 4 teams at one year before?

its the 4 divisional teams that are being put out and getting game time

at U15 both laois teams took a heavy beating from the 2 Wexford teams in the return games last Saturday

How are the regions picked? Is it geographical or are the players just split into four equal groups.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 25, 2021, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 25, 2021, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 24, 2021, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 24, 2021, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 09, 2021, 11:56:16 AM
U15 last night

Laois A beat Wexford by 2 points

Laois B took a bit of trimming from the other Wexford team.

U14

Both laois teams took a hiding from the 2 kilkenny teams in Dunmore on Saturday last while we had another 2 Laois teams playing 2 Wicklow teams at the same time in the Centre of Excellence

Sounds like we have great numbers at that age group. Have we ever had 4 teams at one year before?

its the 4 divisional teams that are being put out and getting game time

at U15 both laois teams took a heavy beating from the 2 Wexford teams in the return games last Saturday

How are the regions picked? Is it geographical or are the players just split into four equal groups.

Scroll back a few pages to where I posted up a breakdown by club of the divisional teams
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 25, 2021, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 25, 2021, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 24, 2021, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 24, 2021, 09:04:42 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 09, 2021, 11:56:16 AM
U15 last night

Laois A beat Wexford by 2 points

Laois B took a bit of trimming from the other Wexford team.

U14

Both laois teams took a hiding from the 2 kilkenny teams in Dunmore on Saturday last while we had another 2 Laois teams playing 2 Wicklow teams at the same time in the Centre of Excellence

Sounds like we have great numbers at that age group. Have we ever had 4 teams at one year before?

its the 4 divisional teams that are being put out and getting game time

at U15 both laois teams took a heavy beating from the 2 Wexford teams in the return games last Saturday

How are the regions picked? Is it geographical or are the players just split into four equal groups.
U14s are split geographically (North, South, East and West) , while u15s are A and B. In addition the u16s are back training with a bang in preparation for next year's minor championship.  Big crowds in attendance too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on November 30, 2021, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.

There are trials/divisionals starting Friday night.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on November 30, 2021, 06:15:01 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.

I don't know if many counties have open trial sessions for all to attend these days from my experience. I know when I lived in Kildare for a few years and I was semi involved in the local club. Players u14 up to u21 were invited to come into the county panel. There was some occasions where additional players were invited to form an expansive panel for some challenge matches and the likes but that was it. I'm now living in Dublin the last number of years and it seems to be similar, the club might get a phone call to send player x or y but that seems about it. Obviously I cant speak for the whole country and maybe that's just the way its done up here, Kildare and now in Laois. Cant say I'm fully for or against it, I just accepted it as the norm.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 30, 2021, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.

Its my understanding that 12 to 15 of this years u15s are being brought into the minor squad for next year.

Its far from ideal.

but an improvement on the minor squad of 2/3 years ago which held u15 trials and then was a closed shop to all after that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: Robbo on November 30, 2021, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.

There are trials/divisionals starting Friday night.

I think the Divisional trials were ditched by management in favour of a hand picked 30.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on November 30, 2021, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 07:39:49 PM
Quote from: Robbo on November 30, 2021, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.

There are trials/divisionals starting Friday night.

I think the Divisional trials were ditched by management in favour of a hand picked 30.

Trials on Friday night. Not enough interest for divisionals.
Not a hand-picked panel.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on December 01, 2021, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 30, 2021, 07:04:44 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 30, 2021, 05:41:16 PM
Heard a rumour not sure how true it is that the Laois U20 hurling management have gone against a recommendation by a CB sub committee to have regional trials for this year's squad. Instead favouring a hand picked group of 25 - 30 players starting next Friday. If true I seriously fear for Laois hurling. Have they not learnt anything especially from diastraous minor set ups of the last 2 years in particular. Even colm bonnar in a stronghold like Tipp sees the wisdom of a complete trawl of the county.

Its my understanding that 12 to 15 of this years u15s are being brought into the minor squad for next year.

Its far from ideal.

but an improvement on the minor squad of 2/3 years ago which held u15 trials and then was a closed shop to all after that.

Why is it not ideal? A minor team is always made up of players from two years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Home Boys Home on December 01, 2021, 09:22:38 AM
The u20 A hurling championship has just concluded and B Championship is still ongoing. These matches would be better than any trials and would surely have been attended by the management. Great win for my own club Abbeyleix in the A by the way.

There are not too many uncovered jewels out there in Laois that have not been in the system at some stage, you might have late developers but if so they will have featured for their clubs in senior intermediate or junior.

Anyway, I heard the management were contacting up to 30 players in addition to those that were involved last year and are still eligible. Whether it's via trials or training or a combination of both I'm not sure, but between the two groups you are going to have 50 or 60 lads under consideration which is a pretty wide net for Laois hurling.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 06:15:45 PM
Quote from: Home Boys Home on December 01, 2021, 09:22:38 AM
The u20 A hurling championship has just concluded and B Championship is still ongoing. These matches would be better than any trials and would surely have been attended by the management. Great win for my own club Abbeyleix in the A by the way.

There are not too many uncovered jewels out there in Laois that have not been in the system at some stage, you might have late developers but if so they will have featured for their clubs in senior intermediate or junior.

Anyway, I heard the management were contacting up to 30 players in addition to those that were involved last year and are still eligible. Whether it's via trials or training or a combination of both I'm not sure, but between the two groups you are going to have 50 or 60 lads under consideration which is a pretty wide net for Laois hurling.
I agree wholeheartedly with your first 2 points (albeit I was at a large amount of U20 games and no sign of manager) but from what I heard its cherry picked again.
.Surely the clubs individually should select who they want and how many they want to go in for trials initially at the start of any inter County panel. No young player should be denied that opportunity. Of course inter County is not for everyone but the clubs themselves are best placed and should be asked for there selection ftrom U20 down. It seems to work OK across the border.
And if that cooperation is there from the start no club has a right to crib later on in the process. It's something I feel strongly that's been holding Laois for many years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on December 01, 2021, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 06:15:45 PM
...but from what I heard its cherry picked again.

I don't know how to say this any clearer.

There are trials on Friday night. Friday. After Thursday. Trials. Players will play a match and people will watch it. And there will be another one night minimum too.

There is no cherry-picking.
The lads still underage from last year will be part of the panel plus whoever comes through the trials.
Was initially supposed to be Divisionals but couldn't quite get enough. Seems reasonable.

As Home Boys Home said, about 50-60 lads will get a chance between those There from last year and lads trialling.
Jaysus that's not bad. Give the lads a chance. We don't want a close shop approach. 

A lot of your posts are giving out about underage managements. It was minor a couple of years ago and u20s now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 07:54:31 PM
Quote from: Robbo on December 01, 2021, 07:35:29 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 06:15:45 PM
...but from what I heard its cherry picked again.

I don't know how to say this any clearer.

There are trials on Friday night. Friday. After Thursday. Trials. Players will play a match and people will watch it. And there will be another one night minimum too.

There is no cherry-picking.
The lads still underage from last year will be part of the panel plus whoever comes through the trials.
Was initially supposed to be Divisionals but couldn't quite get enough. Seems reasonable.

As Home Boys Home said, about 50-60 lads will get a chance between those There from last year and lads trialling.
Jaysus that's not bad. Give the lads a chance. We don't want a close shop approach. 

A lot of your posts are giving out about underage managements. It was minor a couple of years ago and u20s now.
Good man yourself. Your a great man to explain things.
Your eitheir a selector or have a young lad whose a cherry picked player. Fair fucks to you. I ll watch with interest to see if theirs 50 to 60 players trialling next Friday and thereafter for the following 2 weeks.
As regards my comments on previous minor teams. Well that worked out well for the county didn't it.. Great upcoming talent and horrendous results.
And before you accuse me of negatiivity. Try a few of the ideas I suggested going forward and please let the CB know
.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on December 01, 2021, 08:14:01 PM
Relax will ya.

You said yourself you "heard a rumour not sure how true it is" and then doubled down a few times.

I'm from a dual club and I know of lads who wwre on minor and underage ootball panels for Laois but didn't even try for the minor hurling and are going to trial Friday.

That's what should be taken for granted every year.
It's hardly revolutionary.

Like you say, the serious counties are doing it every year. Tipp are a great example.

So I say fair play  that it's being done right this year. Happy to give everyone involved credit rather than repeating the same auld rumour that you're not sure is even true....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 10:00:45 PM
I'm delighted your footballers are going in to hurling trials, long may it last. And no it dosent happened every year, hence my negative comments over the last few years especially those farcical minor efforts. It's a place to express opinions all things gaa related. No?
And for the record My dual clubbed friend its invite only.. Confirmation from the horses mouth. I'll look to replace you come years end
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on December 01, 2021, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 10:00:45 PM
And for the record My dual clubbed friend its invite only.. Confirmation from the horses mouth.

Great stuff.
You were able to clear up that rumour about trials being cancelled by management.

So it's not just a panel being cherry-picked.
It's players being invited to trial. As is happening in Tipp.

Glad we got to the bottom of that.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 10:28:56 PM
don't know how to say this any clearer.

There are cherrypicked trials on Friday night. Friday. After Thursday. CherryTrials. Players will play a match that have been cherry picked/invited by the management not the clubs, who know best.. Not like Tipp, not like Kk... I'd write it a few more times for ya but I'm bored now.
Wishing your footballers all the best for Friday. Please say hello I'll be the one with the wig and glasses.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on December 01, 2021, 10:39:34 PM
In relation to Tipperary minor hurling squads which has been referenced above

There's about 60 in there at the moment. All doing gym program. Challenge matches started last week.

The selection process is open at all times with players chosen from development squads plus the 4 divisional teams which are in place from u13 up and are treated like individual teams with their own management and training programs

Management are expected to attend as many games as possible including school games with GDA's also offering recommendations

There's also a process in place for club coaches to feed player information into a central scouting type system as well.

In relation to S&C there's is a team of 14 people involved which starts at u13 and goes up to minor with everything linked

Des Ryan from Setanta college is in charge of all this,with input from Damian Young

Setanta College provides all the resources,testing etc for the various teams
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on December 01, 2021, 10:40:00 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 10:28:56 PM
don't know how to say this any clearer.

There are cherrypicked trials on Friday night. Friday. After Thursday. CherryTrials. Players will play a match that have been cherry picked/invited by the management not the clubs, who know best.. Not like Tipp, not like Kk... I'd write it a few more times for ya but I'm bored now.
Wishing your footballers all the best for Friday. Please say hello I'll be the one with the wig and glasses.

You said there was a panel of 30 picked. Cherry-picked.

It's been pointed out that there are over 30 trialling on top of the panel who were there last year.
50-60 players in total.

Anyway, Ill leave you at it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on December 01, 2021, 10:39:34 PM
In relation to Tipperary minor hurling squads which has been referenced above

There's about 60 in there at the moment. All doing gym program. Challenge matches started last week.

The selection process is open at all times with players chosen from development squads plus the 4 divisional teams which are in place from u13 up and are treated like individual teams with their own management and training programs

Management are expected to attend as many games as possible including school games with GDA's also offering recommendations

There's also a process in place for club coaches to feed player information into a central scouting type system as well.

In relation to S&C there's is a team of 14 people involved which starts at u13 and goes up to minor with everything linked

Des Ryan from Setanta college is in charge of all this,with input from Damian Young

Setanta College provides all the resources,testing etc for the various teams
Ah a proper hurling development plan. Ye Tipp boys must be good at hurling.
Excuse my sarcasm but some contributers on here can't see the bigger picture not to mention the county board. The way minor and U20 panels have been selected in laois is nothing  short of a disgrace. That plan is everything you want in hurling development albeit catered for a county like Tipp.
Where is that going to leave Laois in 5 to 10 years time against the traditional counties.
The reason given for not doing the Divisional trials at U20 this year is because there wasn't enough time to do it properly and look at everyone. Oh my.
At least the u16s next year's minors seemed to have a good plan in place.
Great Post above  BTW
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2021, 06:26:27 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2021, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on December 01, 2021, 10:39:34 PM
In relation to Tipperary minor hurling squads which has been referenced above

There's about 60 in there at the moment. All doing gym program. Challenge matches started last week.

The selection process is open at all times with players chosen from development squads plus the 4 divisional teams which are in place from u13 up and are treated like individual teams with their own management and training programs

Management are expected to attend as many games as possible including school games with GDA's also offering recommendations

There's also a process in place for club coaches to feed player information into a central scouting type system as well.

In relation to S&C there's is a team of 14 people involved which starts at u13 and goes up to minor with everything linked

Des Ryan from Setanta college is in charge of all this,with input from Damian Young

Setanta College provides all the resources,testing etc for the various teams
Ah a proper hurling development plan. Ye Tipp boys must be good at hurling.
Excuse my sarcasm but some contributers on here can't see the bigger picture not to mention the county board. The way minor and U20 panels have been selected in laois is nothing  short of a disgrace. That plan is everything you want in hurling development albeit catered for a county like Tipp.
Where is that going to leave Laois in 5 to 10 years time against the traditional counties.
The reason given for not doing the Divisional trials at U20 this year is because there wasn't enough time to do it properly and look at everyone. Oh my.
At least the u16s next year's minors seemed to have a good plan in place.
Great Post above  BTW

Probably the likes of Limerick cork galway have even better systems than Tipp

It's only when you see it laid out,do you realise how far we are actually behind these county's and the likes of Offaly with whom we should be at least equal to.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 04, 2021, 08:38:47 PM
Offaly coaching & games are blowing us out of the water with the work they are doing at present.
I like the lads we have on board but can anyone say what's being done at the moment with our development panels ? Coaching Courses etc
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 08, 2021, 04:00:41 PM
Colaiste Mhuire Johnstown narrowly beat St Fergals Rathdowney in a windswept game in the Fenians pitch today.
Some good hurling considering the conditions. Very impressed with some of Fergal's players.
Touch just as good as if not better than that of Johnstown.
Both through to Leinster B QF in New Year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 08, 2021, 06:36:10 PM
Many laois lads hurling with Johnston?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 08, 2021, 07:19:42 PM
Quote from: Laois man on December 08, 2021, 06:36:10 PM
Many laois lads hurling with Johnston?
4 harps lads I believe started.. Rathdowney missing young Corby too. Very evenly matched. Very little between the teams. I know from my Kk connections that's a very highly rated colaiste mhuire team. And probably are the 2nd team school team in Kk this year
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 08, 2021, 07:45:11 PM
Mountrath School play Tullamore Monday night I believe and hopefully will make the qfinal aswell.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on December 08, 2021, 08:04:43 PM
Roscrea beat the crap out of Portlaoise last week in the 'C', I think. Something like 2-23 to 1-4.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 08, 2021, 08:49:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on December 08, 2021, 08:04:43 PM
Roscrea beat the crap out of Portlaoise last week in the 'C', I think. Something like 2-23 to 1-4.

Hurling is in rag order inside in the CBS,they conceded to Roscrea in the Juvenile C last week,never informed the players and they are now done hurling till probably next September.

That's Cistercian College Roscrea in both games,God only knows what type of beating the main school in Roscrea would hand out to them

Football is slightly only slightly better

Soccer is king there now
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 08, 2021, 10:23:15 PM
Genuine question, and I'd prefer if names weren't mentioned.
There a few very well known and respected hurlers/hurling coaches working there.

Are they totally disinterested/unwilling?
Or is there some other reason that things are as bad as that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Boy Wonder on December 08, 2021, 11:48:03 PM
Keyser Söze - you seem to have a namesakes on GAA Board.
Keyser soze posted smart alec comments re. new Laois jersey on New Jerseys thread on main GAA Discussion.
Maybe you would put manners on him  ;)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 09, 2021, 12:08:22 AM
I don't follow?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Boy Wonder on December 09, 2021, 12:12:35 AM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=4860.705 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=4860.705)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 09, 2021, 01:04:27 AM
As Buff would say "By God"!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 09, 2021, 09:10:42 AM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on December 08, 2021, 11:48:03 PM
Keyser Söze - you seem to have a namesakes on GAA Board.
Keyser soze posted smart alec comments re. new Laois jersey on New Jerseys thread on main GAA Discussion.
Maybe you would put manners on him  ;)

He also has more posts than the Laois version
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on December 09, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
Quality over quantity Mr Clonad Man!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on December 10, 2021, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 09, 2021, 04:59:53 PM
Quality over quantity Mr Clonad Man!
Having seen a few of your namesakes posts, I agree!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on December 13, 2021, 11:07:12 PM
This weeks Nenagh Guardian

Which gives further details of S&C links from u13 up

Also interesting to note that there will be a budget of €60k in place for the primary schools alone.

I'm sure other blow ins can point out similar as to what is happening in their respective counties

Laois is so far behind and this county is failing its players at every level and age group


"Tipperary County Board have announced an overhaul of their coaching structures which should lead to better standards at both inter-county and primary school's level.

In a very revealing secretary's report ahead of next Monday evening's County GAA Convention in Thurles, Tim Floyd confirmed the new link-up between Tipperary GAA and Setanta College who will take the lead in the strength & conditioning of all senior and underage inter-county teams in both hurling and football going forward.

The link-up has already commenced at juvenile level with the minor and under 20 squads who have already begun their 2022 preparations and will extend to the senior hurling and football squads who begin collective training this evening (Wednesday) ahead of the new campaign.

Setanta College was the brainchild of former Tipperary senior hurling team trainer Liam Hennessy and who now work with some of the world's leading sporting organisations such as Juventus in soccer and the Pittsburgh Steelers in American Football.

Setanta College has recently extended their footprint locally by renting space at both the Sarsfields Social Centre (adjacent to Semple Stadium), as well as the Handball Alley in the Stadium grounds which have been turned into fully equipped elite training centres.

"This will mark a new approach by Tipperary GAA," said Floyd who added: "which aims to create a joined-up structure that will prepare players for the transition from underage to senior level."

Up to now, strength & conditioning programmes were delivered to each individual hurling and football teams by different coaches but now under the Setanta umbrella, they will be led by Des Ryan, who was formerly the head of sports science and medicine at the Arsenal FC Academy and who is now the Director of Coaching & Performance at Setanta College, and who previously has worked with Laois GAA.

Many of the current Tipperary coaches at various levels are graduates of Setanta programmes, including Colm Bonnar and Tommy Dunne, as Borris-Ileigh's Angelo Walsh who will work with the minor hurlers this year.

Schools Coaching

As well as improving the strength & conditioning of inter-county teams, the county board in conjunction with the coaching & games committee have launched a new Primary Schools Coaching Scheme to begin in the New Year.

This will be a continuation of the current scheme, but with selected coaches being appointed by the County Games Development Officers, in consultation with the respective clubs.

Payments will be made through a grant scheme administered directly to the clubs by the county board from where the clubs will pay the coaches agreed expenses for their services.

The estimated budget for this improved scheme is €60,000 and this cost will be provided by contributions of €30,000 between the four divisional boards; €10,000 from County Coiste na nOg, with the County Board covering the remaining €20,000 from grants from the Tipperary GAA Clubs Draw"
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on December 23, 2021, 03:16:03 PM
Anyone hear or see the minor hurling panel named?

Think there was a 50:50 split between U16s and 17s last year. Looked light against kildare.

I've heard only a handful (mainly harps) lads from this years 15s have been added. 1, if not 2, from port as well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on December 23, 2021, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: Robbo on December 23, 2021, 03:16:03 PM
Anyone hear or see the minor hurling panel named?

Think there was a 50:50 split between U16s and 17s last year. Looked light against kildare.

I've heard only a handful (mainly harps) lads from this years 15s have been added. 1, if not 2, from port as well.

Good to see Port lads making it,if true
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on December 23, 2021, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on December 23, 2021, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: Robbo on December 23, 2021, 03:16:03 PM
Anyone hear or see the minor hurling panel named?

Think there was a 50:50 split between U16s and 17s last year. Looked light against kildare.

I've heard only a handful (mainly harps) lads from this years 15s have been added. 1, if not 2, from port as well.

Good to see Port lads making it,if true

Good to see Port lads involved if true indeed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on December 23, 2021, 08:01:43 PM
Why wouldn't it be true? Port. have one outstanding lad, and another very good lad, so it'd be no surprise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on December 23, 2021, 10:42:23 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on December 23, 2021, 08:01:43 PM
Why wouldn't it be true? Port. have one outstanding lad, and another very good lad, so it'd be no surprise.

Yeah because everything that lads put down anonymously on a forum is bound to be true

Have you the official list of players then?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on December 23, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
Huh. There was an official list at the trials, but I believe that, because of GDPR (I ask you!) the names of the panel weren't divulged. In any case, I was only at one of the trials, but the outstanding player on the field that time was a Port. player. Trouble is, he'd be a dual player, and is probably outstanding at football, too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on December 24, 2021, 01:39:42 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on December 23, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
Huh. There was an official list at the trials, but I believe that, because of GDPR (I ask you!) the names of the panel weren't divulged. In any case, I was only at one of the trials, but the outstanding player on the field that time was a Port. player. Trouble is, he'd be a dual player, and is probably outstanding at football, too.

Here's hoping the media in Laois might be able to get around the GDPR and publish the panel in time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on December 24, 2021, 03:20:57 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on December 23, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
I was only at one of the trials, but the outstanding player on the field that time was a Port. player. Trouble is, he'd be a dual player, and is probably outstanding at football, too.
Would his father have been a great Laois footballer of the 90s?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on December 24, 2021, 04:49:49 PM
Bingo!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on December 24, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on December 24, 2021, 04:49:49 PM
Bingo!

I think its young Downey that made it.
Emerson I'm not sure of.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on December 29, 2021, 09:23:28 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on December 23, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
Huh. There was an official list at the trials, but I believe that, because of GDPR (I ask you!) the names of the panel weren't divulged. In any case, I was only at one of the trials, but the outstanding player on the field that time was a Port. player. Trouble is, he'd be a dual player, and is probably outstanding at football, too.


There is no GDPR rule that prevents counties publishing the names of the panel. Personal information is what can't be published.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on December 29, 2021, 12:08:44 PM
Offaly yet again powering on with their youth development work


https://twitter.com/offaly_gaa/status/1475847626436325379?s=21
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 29, 2021, 08:45:16 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on December 29, 2021, 12:08:44 PM
Offaly yet again powering on with their youth development work


https://twitter.com/offaly_gaa/status/1475847626436325379?s=21

We again asleep at the wheel
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on December 29, 2021, 09:04:07 PM
Fair play to offaly. And not like theres huge cost ot manpower needed.

Dont think we even have a coaching committee.  ::)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on December 30, 2021, 10:00:18 AM
Overall I would say the Offaly idea above is lightweight with little progress for players or any accountability. Its an easy catch all that will have very minimal impact. Better than nothing but miles away at same time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on December 30, 2021, 07:31:53 PM
I started this page in October 2015 to highlight a few issues that were ahead of us. The main point at the end of it was that there is no plan! That was 6 years ago, how many years will I revisit this before we have a plan??

Overhaul of structures
What structures? Are there structures in Laois hurling?
Im not aware of them. It was once said that Laois had the best underage hurling structures in Ireland. I don't believe that to ever be true but I know the setanta programme had some success and at the time it was something that physically was in place. Is the setanta programme dead in the water? I haven't heard of it in years? Whats replaced it? Before we start talking about having minor and U20 teams feeding into our senior co set up we need a basis from which our underage development squads are being fed. They need to be improved across the board. That in turn will improve our minor squads and so on.

Is the will there?
I haven't seen a county executive in laois with the drive to push our county up the ladder. Are the right people in the right positions, I don't think so. Don't get me wrong, I am not here to bash the co board, they are giving up huge time to fill these positions for little reward. But I look at Offaly, there is a desire there at the moment to get back to where they once were. They have realised that what they have been doing for donkeys years isn't enough or good enough. They have a long way to go but they seems to be driving all things Offaly in the right direction. If the keep doing it and build on what they are already doing it they might just get there in time. Have you ever seen that ambition in laois? When Cheddar brought his blueprint for laois hurling to the co board it was thrown out the window. I would question the co board, why did they do that, what is there alternative plan? NOTHING!! That's what. It's a real shame. We need a Michael Duignan type figure at the top with progressive fresh blood working under him. I think for a major plan for a revamp would need a good number of people, maybe more than what is on the committee now. The people at the top need to be able to delegate a bit more. The workload is huge especially for people with jobs, family's other commitments etc. There are really genuine and intelligent people in laois. Liam O Neill – what a chairman he would be or director of hurling? There would be plenty in support him in his role.

Finances/Investments
Most other counties that have a chance of winning something have big backing. Sports direct in cork, JP in limerick, Teneo in tipp etc. Our co board have shown a surplus of 500k at this year's end which is impressive. More can be done here I believe, there are outside investors that have the interest in laois to give us a dig out. They would need to see a long term achievable plan and back something that is worth backing. I have heard of a couple of firms that might do this but I won't speculate. There needs to be a finance committee focussed on seeking out these possibilities. I heard Peter O Neill saying that too much money was being spent on co teams in other counties and that it's not possible for counties like laois to compete with. I would actually agree with him to an extent, are the training camps in carton house and fota really required? Probably not but there is a balance there where you are losing ground on the more professional approach. Its another conversation really but the likes of Dublin footballers have definitely benefitted from the professional environment that they are in. O Neill suggested that he would prefer to use the money to develop the underage structures. I would agree but also say "WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT THEN"?

Director of Hurling
Would love to see this. If we don't have the money, does it need to be a paid position? Is part time an option? Better than nothing I say. Imagine the work Cheddar would do here, he was never a man for money. Someone like him sitting down putting pen to paper and thinking long and hard about where we need to go. Then thinking about how we are going to get there. After that its about getting the right people involved in the right places and overseeing the whole thing through.

Players
One of the biggest disappointments in laois is the lack of love for the county from some players. The fact that they don't see the point is terribly sad. Something drastic needs to change here. It's beginning to become a cultural problem that is slowly being accepted as the norm. It will soon be out biggest problem and challenge. Some will say "sure what can be done, if they won't go you can't make them". To say this is a cheap and easy way out imo. It won't be easy but we need to create a cultural change within the county. Starting with the youngest age groups at a "setanta" or equivalent programme and in still a love for playing for laois. There are ways of doing it, changing the psyche. After that I have written on another thread about getting players currently not involved to buy in. You won't get them all but in laois its worse than anywhere else. It needs to change.

Goals/Ambitions
Im sure the question has been asked and answered in the past. But what IS our ambitions for hurling in Laois. What are our goals for 5/10/20 years down the road? Once they are established the next question is how are we going to get there? After that its all about rolling up the sleeves and deliver on those goals but implementing what you said you would do.
This is a long winded way of saying PUT A PLAN FOR LAOIS HURLING IN PLACE AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON IT!
I have made just a couple of suggestions here, can you come up with some more?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on December 30, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on December 30, 2021, 10:00:18 AM
Overall I would say the Offaly idea above is lightweight with little progress for players or any accountability. Its an easy catch all that will have very minimal impact. Better than nothing but miles away at same time.

It's actually the opposite with buy in from the clubs,GDA's GPO's and the county management teams

There's a document circulating as well which outlines what needs to be done at the various juvenile age groups

But as usual the Laois lads who don't seem to realise they are miles behind Offaly at this stage seem to know it all and be critical without having a clue what they are talking about

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 31, 2021, 11:07:25 AM
Happy new year to all the viewers on the pageand hope all laois clubs have a positive year ahead.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 02, 2022, 10:21:19 AM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on December 30, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on December 30, 2021, 10:00:18 AM
Overall I would say the Offaly idea above is lightweight with little progress for players or any accountability. Its an easy catch all that will have very minimal impact. Better than nothing but miles away at same time.

It's actually the opposite with buy in from the clubs,GDA's GPO's and the county management teams

There's a document circulating as well which outlines what needs to be done at the various juvenile age groups

But as usual the Laois lads who don't seem to realise they are miles behind Offaly at this stage seem to know it all and be critical without having a clue what they are talking about

Are you the Tipp man from the same category you mention above?

My point regarding the dev plan in Offaly for 13s to 17s is that its 40 burpees, x number of press ups and run for certain number of minutes. Grand to get club players moving but if theres no follow up or progression it will merely a drop in the ocean and will have little impact.

How is this being implemented/organised? Is there a structure to it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on January 02, 2022, 11:33:51 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 02, 2022, 10:21:19 AM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on December 30, 2021, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on December 30, 2021, 10:00:18 AM
Overall I would say the Offaly idea above is lightweight with little progress for players or any accountability. Its an easy catch all that will have very minimal impact. Better than nothing but miles away at same time.

It's actually the opposite with buy in from the clubs,GDA's GPO's and the county management teams

There's a document circulating as well which outlines what needs to be done at the various juvenile age groups

But as usual the Laois lads who don't seem to realise they are miles behind Offaly at this stage seem to know it all and be critical without having a clue what they are talking about

Are you the Tipp man from the same category you mention above?

My point regarding the dev plan in Offaly for 13s to 17s is that its 40 burpees, x number of press ups and run for certain number of minutes. Grand to get club players moving but if theres no follow up or progression it will merely a drop in the ocean and will have little impact.

How is this being implemented/organised? Is there a structure to it.

It's fairly obvious you don't have a clue what's going on in Offaly

So here's an idea for you

Seek out someone that's involved with juvenile development in Offaly,

Get the plan off them,not just the plan for this month

implement it in your own club

And stop trying to pick holes in a county that's doing something when laois is doing nothing

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 02, 2022, 12:49:00 PM
Ok but I asked you because you seemed to be indicating that you knew more about it.

Obviously you dont or I presume you would tell me here.

It turns out that neither of us know so we are both in the same position but at least I know where I stand.

I asked questions. I wasnt implying there was no plan but merely hoping you could provide further information.

Maybe you also need to seek further information instead of lauding a plan that you seem to know nothing about?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on January 02, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 02, 2022, 12:49:00 PM
Ok but I asked you because you seemed to be indicating that you knew more about it.

Obviously you dont or I presume you would tell me here.

It turns out that neither of us know so we are both in the same position but at least I know where I stand.

I asked questions. I wasnt implying there was no plan but merely hoping you could provide further information.

Maybe you also need to seek further information instead of lauding a plan that you seem to know nothing about?

I've seen the document

I know what's involved

What don't you get up off your hole and get it

Rather than mouthing on some forum
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on January 02, 2022, 04:34:52 PM
I'd be astonished if our underage hurling teams hadn't been given a fitness programme. Are you saying they haven't??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 02, 2022, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 02, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 02, 2022, 12:49:00 PM
Ok but I asked you because you seemed to be indicating that you knew more about it.

Obviously you dont or I presume you would tell me here.

It turns out that neither of us know so we are both in the same position but at least I know where I stand.

I asked questions. I wasnt implying there was no plan but merely hoping you could provide further information.

Maybe you also need to seek further information instead of lauding a plan that you seem to know nothing about?

I've seen the document

I know what's involved

What don't you get up off your hole and get it

Rather than mouthing on some forum

Reminds me of this:

Me: 'Have you seen the document?'

You: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=anIXLNIWRAs

😂😂😂
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 02, 2022, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 02, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on January 02, 2022, 12:49:00 PM
Ok but I asked you because you seemed to be indicating that you knew more about it.

Obviously you dont or I presume you would tell me here.

It turns out that neither of us know so we are both in the same position but at least I know where I stand.

I asked questions. I wasnt implying there was no plan but merely hoping you could provide further information.

Maybe you also need to seek further information instead of lauding a plan that you seem to know nothing about?

I've seen the document

I know what's involved

What don't you get up off your hole and get it

Rather than mouthing on some forum


😂😂😂😁 Jaysus 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 03, 2022, 02:44:32 PM
tippmaninlaois very bitter because he had to migrate over to Laois. Shouldn't be stealing our women so!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on January 24, 2022, 10:01:21 AM
Interesting game over the road in Carlow this Wednesday where Maynooth are taking on it carlow. Should be plenty of Laois players involved.
The more young players the county have exposed to this level of hurling is very important. I think the Fitzgibbon Cup is a serious platform for any inter County player.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on January 24, 2022, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 03, 2022, 02:44:32 PM
tippmaninlaois very bitter because he had to migrate over to Laois. Shouldn't be stealing our women so!

Not married to a laois woman Son

Try again

Although speaking of Laois Women,20 series and 184 players in

Ye finally get a Laois Person onto Laochra Gael
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Chrimtain on January 24, 2022, 03:48:28 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 24, 2022, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 03, 2022, 02:44:32 PM
tippmaninlaois very bitter because he had to migrate over to Laois. Shouldn't be stealing our women so!

Not married to a laois woman Son

Try again

Although speaking of Laois Women,20 series and 184 players in

Ye finally get a Laois Person onto Laochra Gael

This is pathetic!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on January 24, 2022, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: tippmaninlaois on January 24, 2022, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 03, 2022, 02:44:32 PM
tippmaninlaois very bitter because he had to migrate over to Laois. Shouldn't be stealing our women so!

Not married to a laois woman Son

Try again

Although speaking of Laois Women,20 series and 184 players in

Ye finally get a Laois Person onto Laochra Gael
Stay classy tippman. Sue Ramsbottom is worth 100 of the likes of you.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 28, 2022, 10:12:16 AM
Mountrath CS playing Wexford CBS today in Schools Senior hurling Qfinal by all accounts Wexford are very strong. Best of luck to Mrath.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 28, 2022, 01:02:53 PM
Game was set for 12pm. Well into second half now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on January 28, 2022, 01:16:52 PM
Mountrath five points up going into last quarter.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on January 28, 2022, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: SCFC on January 28, 2022, 01:16:52 PM
Mountrath five points up going into last quarter.

And won by 2. Great result.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 28, 2022, 01:31:30 PM
Super result Birr now in the Sfinal. Lads hurled out there skin.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 28, 2022, 01:39:02 PM
Hurled out of there skin👍
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on January 28, 2022, 01:43:10 PM
Great result. Well done to all.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 28, 2022, 02:35:45 PM
Brilliant win and should give them great confidence going up against Birr. Still it's great to see a Laois school doing well.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/01/28/mountrath-cs-through-to-leinster-colleges-shc-semi-final-following-brilliant-win-over-wexford-cbs/?fbclid=IwAR3HKC1-Vvq9rJjcV5Z72_HHbihpcFNxKeDlfGTe7hs2zgpbAG_yX2Z9pRE (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/01/28/mountrath-cs-through-to-leinster-colleges-shc-semi-final-following-brilliant-win-over-wexford-cbs/?fbclid=IwAR3HKC1-Vvq9rJjcV5Z72_HHbihpcFNxKeDlfGTe7hs2zgpbAG_yX2Z9pRE)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on January 28, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 28, 2022, 02:35:45 PM
Brilliant win and should give them great confidence going up against Birr. Still it's great to see a Laois school doing well.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/01/28/mountrath-cs-through-to-leinster-colleges-shc-semi-final-following-brilliant-win-over-wexford-cbs/?fbclid=IwAR3HKC1-Vvq9rJjcV5Z72_HHbihpcFNxKeDlfGTe7hs2zgpbAG_yX2Z9pRE (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/01/28/mountrath-cs-through-to-leinster-colleges-shc-semi-final-following-brilliant-win-over-wexford-cbs/?fbclid=IwAR3HKC1-Vvq9rJjcV5Z72_HHbihpcFNxKeDlfGTe7hs2zgpbAG_yX2Z9pRE)
Nothing to fear with birr. With the exception of their outstanding hurler luke carey it should be a very evenly matched game. Be great to see mountrath in the final against Johnstown with their harps contingent.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on January 28, 2022, 06:02:30 PM
Great work. We'll done to everyone.

That's without Kevin byrne from camross who is injured. Serious hurler.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 30, 2022, 05:50:01 PM
Any updates on club managers for the year ahead anyone new on board or are all clubs still the same as last year.?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 31, 2022, 10:41:02 AM
When is the Birr game on?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 31, 2022, 10:59:29 AM
This Thursday I hear will know the venue later.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 31, 2022, 02:32:34 PM
Just looking at results there is the SH A semi finals. Kierans and KK CBS beaten. I can't remember when either of these were not in a final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 31, 2022, 05:18:16 PM
2001 since no kkenny team have being in the Senior School A final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 01, 2022, 04:53:41 PM
Mountrath CS v Birr Cs in Senior B semi final is fixed for COE plaois this Thursday at 12 noon.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 03, 2022, 02:49:24 PM
Mountrath CS very unlucky against Birr. Very even game but they got fortuitous goals at key times. Lots of talented hurlers on show for Mountrath which hopefully bears well for the future.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on February 03, 2022, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 03, 2022, 02:49:24 PM
Mountrath CS very unlucky against Birr. Very even game but they got fortuitous goals at key times. Lots of talented hurlers on show for Mountrath which hopefully bears well for the future.


Will ya stop

Birr had 3 goals chances in the first half that they should have put away and killed it there and then

2 one on one with young O'Reilly,which in fairness to him he saved brilliantly and one they shot inches wide

Mountrath had how many goal chances in the first half?

They did hit 5/6 scorable wides

Lack of pace as in most laois teams and ran out of ideas and puff in the last 20 mins which allowed birr to take over
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on February 04, 2022, 08:18:26 AM
Everyone are entitled to opinions. That's the reason it's a forum. In terms of the game itself, birr were the better team in the first half creating some good goal chances. You still have to take them and unfortunately they didn't. Brochan o reilly was very much to the fore there.
To say tho mountrath ran out of ideas and steam I think your a small bit off course there.
Il give you a heads up in that area
Mountrath Cs very much dealt a huge blow with the unavailability of Kevin Byrne from centre back and Aaron Phelan who at the start of the year took up an apprenticeship. 2 serious underage County players.
Having to move a young lad like Tom Cuddy (16yrs) into a pivotal position and move a scoring threat like C Mckelvey back into a defensive position takes away a scoring threat. The grade itself is actually u19. Of the age Mountrath had 1, Birr had a few more. Of the starting 15 for mountrath, 8 are still there next year. The junior squad at the moment are still competing in leinster championship (semi final stage)
So to answer your ran out of ideas element. They moved to one up top, to crowding out middle to stop birr running game in 2nd half nullified it to an extent. The goal birr got was fortunate to say the least.. Communication was not efficient at that point to shepherd ball over line, but instead came free and a forward was found loose inside. Prior to this goal, mountrath had 2 poor wides when a draw and a very scorable goal chance.
Overall I'd say it was a very enjoyable game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on February 04, 2022, 09:41:39 AM
Quote from: mountrath1 on February 04, 2022, 08:18:26 AM
Everyone are entitled to opinions. That's the reason it's a forum. In terms of the game itself, birr were the better team in the first half creating some good goal chances. You still have to take them and unfortunately they didn't. Brochan o reilly was very much to the fore there.
To say tho mountrath ran out of ideas and steam I think your a small bit off course there.
Il give you a heads up in that area
Mountrath Cs very much dealt a huge blow with the unavailability of Kevin Byrne from centre back and Aaron Phelan who at the start of the year took up an apprenticeship. 2 serious underage County players.
Having to move a young lad like Tom Cuddy (16yrs) into a pivotal position and move a scoring threat like C Mckelvey back into a defensive position takes away a scoring threat. The grade itself is actually u19. Of the age Mountrath had 1, Birr had a few more. Of the starting 15 for mountrath, 8 are still there next year. The junior squad at the moment are still competing in leinster championship (semi final stage)
So to answer your ran out of ideas element. They moved to one up top, to crowding out middle to stop birr running game in 2nd half nullified it to an extent. The goal birr got was fortunate to say the least.. Communication was not efficient at that point to shepherd ball over line, but instead came free and a forward was found loose inside. Prior to this goal, mountrath had 2 poor wides when a draw and a very scorable goal chance.
Overall I'd say it was a very enjoyable game.


Is the B grade not u19.5?, the same as A schools hurling

Birr had lads out hurt as wel,in case you didn't know

Ye can complain all ye want about injuries,the reality is that ye had very little depth to the overall squad when ye had to bring in an u15

Birr much the better outfit



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 04, 2022, 01:38:37 PM
This form is a chat about Laois hurling not about running down laois hurling. I was at the Schools game birr the better team and got goals at the right time. Birr should focus on the final now instead of coming on here running down Mrath Schools hurling. I think offaly hurling has enough problems of there own. And best of luck to birr in the final i hope they win it out and as a gaa I will be attending it👍
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tippmaninlaois on February 04, 2022, 06:49:04 PM
Quote from: Laois man on February 04, 2022, 01:38:37 PM
This form is a chat about Laois hurling not about running down laois hurling. I was at the Schools game birr the better team and got goals at the right time. Birr should focus on the final now instead of coming on here running down Mrath Schools hurling. I think offaly hurling has enough problems of there own. And best of luck to birr in the final i hope they win it out and as a gaa I will be attending it👍

Takes the high moral ground about "running down" Laois Hurling and then in the next sentence runs down Offaly hurling with a "they have enough problems of their own jibe"

Remarkable
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 04, 2022, 06:51:49 PM
I said offaly has problems where did I run them down.???
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Smellyball on February 06, 2022, 11:03:10 PM
Quote from: Laois man on February 04, 2022, 06:51:49 PM
I said offaly has problems where did I run them down.???
Don't bother interacting with him Laois man. That bellend was on a few weeks ago arguing Tipp have a richer recent football tradition than Laois , sure they're flying in the league alright 👍 👌
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 14, 2022, 09:06:00 AM
Is it true the Minors beat Kilkenny yesterday?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 16, 2022, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 14, 2022, 09:06:00 AM
Is it true the Minors beat Kilkenny yesterday?
Beaten by about 2 points in the end. I reckon near enough full strength on both sides with the exception of 1 or 2 prominent players. Derek Mc grath very vocal on sideline. Hopefully we have a better performance this year than the calamities of the previous two
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 16, 2022, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 16, 2022, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 14, 2022, 09:06:00 AM
Is it true the Minors beat Kilkenny yesterday?
Beaten by about 2 points in the end. I reckon near enough full strength on both sides with the exception of 1 or 2 prominent players. Derek Mc grath very vocal on sideline. Hopefully we have a better performance this year than the calamities of the previous two

Were the Kierans crew involved?

They have one fine corner forward playing with the school who would be probably their best inter county forward also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 16, 2022, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 16, 2022, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 16, 2022, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 14, 2022, 09:06:00 AM
Is it true the Minors beat Kilkenny yesterday?
Beaten by about 2 points in the end. I reckon near enough full strength on both sides with the exception of 1 or 2 prominent players. Derek Mc grath very vocal on sideline. Hopefully we have a better performance this year than the calamities of the previous two

Were the Kierans crew involved?

They have one fine corner forward playing with the school who would be probably their best inter county forward also.
They were missing 3 starters I believe not sure of names although they had a son of Brian 'tots' mcevoy at centre forward who looks a good prospect.
Limerick gave kilkenny a serious trimming the week before so talking to a kk connection there not expecting much from their Minors thus year. In fact there's alarm bells ringing down there about the quality they've been producing over the last few years.
Still for laois to be competing with them at any grade is a positive.
I believe laois Minors have beaten wexford and possibly Claire over the last few weeks. Only practice games but still the right practice games to be playing
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 16, 2022, 11:51:52 AM
Is his name Harry Shine?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 16, 2022, 01:58:36 PM
For years you would hear of Laois beating KK in practice matches at minor level only to find out later that it was an experimental KK south or something which bore zero resemblance to their championship team that would beat us by 30 points. Hopefully this isn't the case this year but sounds like it is not. We don't need a strong minor team every year but would be good to have one every 2-3 years. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on February 23, 2022, 08:46:42 PM
did the u20s play carlow in the development league at the weekend or was it postponed? When are they playing again? Any word on how the minors are doing?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 23, 2022, 08:53:50 PM
Ye U20s played Carlow Sat won well. I think there playing kildare this weekend at a laois venue. There's a match report from Carlow game on Laois today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on February 23, 2022, 09:43:11 PM
 Only see a report for the football on laois today. Throw up the link here if ya wouldn't mind pls
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on February 23, 2022, 09:45:07 PM
Here:
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/02/20/laois-get-2022-u-20-hurling-season-up-an-running-with-big-win-away-to-carlow/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 02, 2022, 10:55:14 AM
Had a big win over Kildare as well. Playing against either Westmeath or Offaly in the final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on March 03, 2022, 08:50:50 AM
Good to see the u20s going well. They have a nice team. Missing the likes of duggan, burke, keyes and mahony against kildare too. Leinster will be tough though with some good teams in there.
The minors were hammered by tipp last night which isnt good but i dont have any specifics in terms of who they were missing etc. Think St fergals have a schools final today U16.5
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2022, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 03, 2022, 08:50:50 AM
Good to see the u20s going well. They have a nice team. Missing the likes of duggan, burke, keyes and mahony against kildare too. Leinster will be tough though with some good teams in there.
The minors were hammered by tipp last night which isnt good but i dont have any specifics in terms of who they were missing etc. Think St fergals have a schools final today U16.5

1.17 to 0.09 it finished

They played Tipps second team, lads that wouldn't be in the matchday 26

A fine facility down there,a lot of money being pumped in by Coolmore,from talking to the locals there last night
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on March 03, 2022, 11:15:32 AM
So thats our first team against tipps 3rd?? I thought our minor team were handy enough?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2022, 11:24:45 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 03, 2022, 11:15:32 AM
So thats our first team against tipps 3rd?? I thought our minor team were handy enough?


It was the tipp lads outside of the 26 that played or were involved in their game v Wexford last Sunday,that played against Laois last night,I was told that before throw in

And I dont think Tipp have high hopes for their minors winning an All Ireland this year

Laois were beaten by KK 3 weeks ago by 3 Points

KK were missing the Kierans contingent that day not sure about the KK CBS or Johnstown players

but that KK team had received a walloping off limerick a week before they played Laois
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 09, 2022, 09:55:54 AM
Laois Juvenile Hurling amalgamations 2022

Under 11 Hurling –

o Ballinakill & Ballypickas (plus 2 St Joseph's players & 2 Crettyard players)
o Park Ratheniska Timahoe (plus 1 Ballylinan player ; 1 Arles Killeen player  & 2 Arles Kilcruise players)

Under 13 Hurling –

o Ballinakill & Ballypickas (plus 2 St Joseph's players & 3 Crettyard players)
o Clonad & Trumera
o Mountmellick & Clonaslee St Manmans (plus Kilcavan & The Rock)
o Park Ratheniska Timahoe (plus 2 St Joseph's players & 1 Arles Killeen player)
o St Pauls (Courtwood & Emo)

Under 15 Hurling –

o Ballinakill & Ballypickas (plus 2 St Joseph's players; and 2 Crettyard players )
o Clonad & Trumera
o Mountmellick & Clonaslee St Manmans
o Park Ratheniska Timahoe (plus 3 St Joseph's players & 1 Arles Killeen player)
o Raheen Parish Gaels (Colt-Shanahoe & St Pauls (Courtwood & Emo))
o Rosenallis (plus 1 Kilcavan player)

Under 17 Hurling –

o Ballinakill & Ballypickas
o Na Fianna (Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
o Park Ratheniska Timahoe (plus 3 St Joseph's players)
o Raheen Parish Gaels (Clonad, Colt-Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
o Rosenallis (plus 3 Kilcavan players)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on March 09, 2022, 11:24:33 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 09, 2022, 09:55:54 AM
Laois Juvenile Hurling amalgamations 2022

Under 11 Hurling –

o Ballinakill & Ballypickas (plus 2 St Joseph's players & 2 Crettyard players)
o Park Ratheniska Timahoe (plus 1 Ballylinan player ; 1 Arles Killeen player  & 2 Arles Kilcruise players)

Under 13 Hurling –

o Ballinakill & Ballypickas (plus 2 St Joseph's players & 3 Crettyard players)
o Clonad & Trumera
o Mountmellick & Clonaslee St Manmans (plus Kilcavan & The Rock)
o Park Ratheniska Timahoe (plus 2 St Joseph's players & 1 Arles Killeen player)
o St Pauls (Courtwood & Emo)

Under 15 Hurling –

o Ballinakill & Ballypickas (plus 2 St Joseph's players; and 2 Crettyard players )
o Clonad & Trumera
o Mountmellick & Clonaslee St Manmans
o Park Ratheniska Timahoe (plus 3 St Joseph's players & 1 Arles Killeen player)
o Raheen Parish Gaels (Colt-Shanahoe & St Pauls (Courtwood & Emo))
o Rosenallis (plus 1 Kilcavan player)

Under 17 Hurling –

o Ballinakill & Ballypickas
o Na Fianna (Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
o Park Ratheniska Timahoe (plus 3 St Joseph's players)
o Raheen Parish Gaels (Clonad, Colt-Shanahoe, Trumera, Emo & Courtwood)
o Rosenallis (plus 3 Kilcavan players)

Good interesting post @clonadmad. Are ballyfin stand alone all the way up to minor and then joined with 3 other clubs? Looks like there is an obvious issue
with player drop out in certain areas
Would you have the full list of teams entered in each competition or is that too much to ask?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 09, 2022, 04:03:08 PM
So Trumrea and gone with Clonad this year after having a good year with Mrath last year getting to theU15A final. Why? In the U17 Cship you have Na fianna with 4 Clubs together a catchment area from just outside Mrath over nearly to kinntty and they are probably in the B aswell. Crazy shit and all short term fixes. County board should have a good look at themselves for allowing this to happen.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 09, 2022, 05:30:05 PM
Quote from: Laois man on March 09, 2022, 04:03:08 PM
So Trumrea and gone with Clonad this year after having a good year with Mrath last year getting to theU15A final. Why? In the U17 Cship you have Na fianna with 4 Clubs together a catchment area from just outside Mrath over nearly to kinntty and they are probably in the B aswell. Crazy shit and all short term fixes. County board should have a good look at themselves for allowing this to happen.

Trumera as a club weren't in with mountrath at u15A last year

Mountrath have players registered with them but the dogs in the street know they will be with Trumera the minute they leave minor with mountrath

Your right NaFianna will be let stay in the B and probably will win it

Completely agree with you though,the county board are completely at fault for what's going on and allowing this

We can't be too far away from a 7/8 club combination seeing as one juvenile football amalgamation has 5 clubs represented

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 09, 2022, 06:40:26 PM
I understand some clubs haven't the numbers but going to different clubs every few years has no future. Maybe have something like a 10 or 12 aside for smaller clubs in a B grade then join another club to take part in the A championship. But there is a few clubs our there who don't bother working with there underage so it's a easy option to join up and let other people look after them. I haven't the answers what will solve this but parish rule would cut out alot of this. I see another big fball club have 6 clubs together at one grade like how can this happen.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on March 09, 2022, 07:00:15 PM
Quote from: Laois man on March 09, 2022, 06:40:26 PM
I understand some clubs haven't the numbers but going to different clubs every few years has no future. Maybe have something like a 10 or 12 aside for smaller clubs in a B grade then join another club to take part in the A championship. But there is a few clubs our there who don't bother working with there underage so it's a easy option to join up and let other people look after them. I haven't the answers what will solve this but parish rule would cut out alot of this. I see another big fball club have 6 clubs together at one grade like how can this happen.
Completely agree with the last few comments. It's a cheap cheap fix to substitute for hard work on the training field. I've said this several times on here that if a team dosent have the required numbers there should be championships for 11 aside and 13 aside.  I think all clubs would favour that over winning a competition with 5 to 6 teams.  How are young players suppose to develop. A player at u15 or even u17 might not come good until he devolps fully. Is there any other serious hurling county like laois when it comes to amalgamations. The mind boggles
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 09, 2022, 08:50:53 PM
Quote from: Laois man on March 09, 2022, 04:03:08 PM
So Trumrea and gone with Clonad this year after having a good year with Mrath last year getting to theU15A final. Why? In the U17 Cship you have Na fianna with 4 Clubs together a catchment area from just outside Mrath over nearly to kinntty and they are probably in the B aswell. Crazy shit and all short term fixes. County board should have a good look at themselves for allowing this to happen.

No Trumera players w/ Raheen Parish Gaels at u/17.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 09, 2022, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on March 09, 2022, 08:50:53 PM
Quote from: Laois man on March 09, 2022, 04:03:08 PM
So Trumrea and gone with Clonad this year after having a good year with Mrath last year getting to theU15A final. Why? In the U17 Cship you have Na fianna with 4 Clubs together a catchment area from just outside Mrath over nearly to kinntty and they are probably in the B aswell. Crazy shit and all short term fixes. County board should have a good look at themselves for allowing this to happen.

No Trumera players w/ Raheen Parish Gaels at u/17.

So if they aren't in RPG as per the Cb list that was sent out in the last few days

Who are they with for 2022?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 09, 2022, 09:08:45 PM
As you intimated, the "Trumera players" are playing w/ Mountrath at u17.
They're with Clonad at u15 and u13.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on March 09, 2022, 09:58:03 PM
Some clubs really leave a lot to be desired. You look at Rosenallis who historically rarely put a team out on their own and are now putting out a team on their own at every grade. Great credit due to them for the hard work they are putting in. They are reaping the rewards at senior level in both codes as a result. While clubs on both sides of them (with much bigger numbers, but cant seem to retain them) have to join with two other clubs to make a team is a really poor reflection on them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on March 09, 2022, 10:00:30 PM
Heard an interview with cheddar after the Antrim game. The passion in his words and his voice is infectious and heart warming. He hit the drum yet again regarding support for weaker counties. He said we are getting no help so we are going to have to do it ourselves. The leinster councils move to assist with payment for clubs to put in place GPOs is a hugely positive step. All clubs in laois should be looking to get on board with this asap.

Ive mentioned it on here numerous times that we need a plan for laois hurling. The concept is simple and obvious what needs to be done but I feel we've been talking about this in laois for 30 years. Even back in Liam O Neills time (20 odd years ago) he had a plan for laois hurling, that wasn't followed through. Cheddar had a plan a couple of years ago, when he brought it to the co board he ending up leaving as senior manager in frustration.

Money is an obvious stumbling block but that can be worked on too and there are investors out there that would commit if a proper plan was in place. We have plenty of intelligent and passionate laois hurling people. We need them all sitting around a table trashing this out. Cheddar is our senior manager but id love to see himself and Shane Keegan heading up a plan for laois hurling. One that covers all bases and one that would over come any obstacles including financial. They would need help to delegate out jobs but there are people there can can carry out expertise specific tasks.

The clubs and crucially the schools need backing and help first and foremost.
Following that a major emphasis need to be put on our development squads. I wont be popular for suggesting this but i believe we need to take an elitist approach with our development squads! They need to be provided with the best possible coaching, athletic development(s&c), nutrition, sports psychology etc.
All of this must be done in a FUN manner. While the best should be provided for these young lads there should be little to no pressure put on them, at the ages of
12-17 it it can be serious to an extent but with a fun element, it can never get too serious. The is a balance there that should allow them to excel without getting fed up of the whole thing. I think we could learn a lot for soccer academies overseas who have kids from a very young age(a cohort from laois GAA should travel over and pick up ideas on how to do it). All of this should be coordinated and monitored by a Laois GDO. The idea would be that every kid in laois that has a hurl in his hand would want to be part of these academy squads. That's how it is in kilkenny, tipp etc, Its such an honour for them.
As i said the elitist approach probably wouldn't be popular but what do we do? We cant keep doing the same things, i.e NOTHING!

WE NEED A PLAN
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 09, 2022, 11:34:31 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on March 09, 2022, 09:08:45 PM
As you intimated, the "Trumera players" are playing w/ Mountrath at u17.
They're with Clonad at u15 and u13.

Trumera have players registered as mountrath players at u13 and u15 also

Promoted out of intermediate last year

And they not having to coach any of their own juveniles

Some going all the same

And good luck to them for working the system to their advantage
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 11, 2022, 01:08:59 AM
Mentioning Shane Keegan in the same breath as Cheddar is quite flattering (unless you are Shane Keegan).

I've been arguing here for years about amalgamations.
The only flip side is that clubs will reap what they sow.

Certain clubs are heading the same way as the Catholic Church.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 11, 2022, 01:20:54 PM
Agree if clubs don't put in the long evenings in the field and the blitz most Sat's how do they expect to have juveniles coming through. If you have no juvenile set up how can you stay going at adult level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on March 11, 2022, 01:47:48 PM
Lads taking a cheap pop at the likes of trumers should really go out and see what they're dealing with. Why do you think there's only 4 or five playing with Mountrath???could it be possibly cos there are only 4 or 5 youngsters available maybe. Its easy to sit and cast judgement on a club from a position of relative strength but it's a credit to trumera that their adult club is so successful. To the likes of a small rural club 4 young fellas coming up have to be minded as best they can. I'm sure if there are trumera chaps playing with other clubs then you can be sure that there's a few from there involved coaching too.. 13 or 11 a side won't work for the likes of trumera but amalgamations do. It's getting the balance is the problem
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 11, 2022, 01:55:45 PM
Agree with that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 11, 2022, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: Jd on March 11, 2022, 01:47:48 PM
Lads taking a cheap pop at the likes of trumers should really go out and see what they're dealing with. Why do you think there's only 4 or five playing with Mountrath???could it be possibly cos there are only 4 or 5 youngsters available maybe. Its easy to sit and cast judgement on a club from a position of relative strength but it's a credit to trumera that their adult club is so successful. To the likes of a small rural club 4 young fellas coming up have to be minded as best they can. I'm sure if there are trumera chaps playing with other clubs then you can be sure that there's a few from there involved coaching too.. 13 or 11 a side won't work for the likes of trumera but amalgamations do. It's getting the balance is the problem

A quick solution for the likes of Trumera and a few others would be a parish rule at juvenile where you play within the parish in an amalgamation.

Trumera would retain their identity, play and train some of their time at home and chaps would be coached by their club mentors

This would apply to designated rural clubs

That would tidy up a certain amount of short term marriages of convenience.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on March 12, 2022, 02:37:33 PM
Yes I'd agree that the amalgamation must be a long term one Stradbally parish gaels are 3 clubs joined for 30 years and St Pauls could be up to 50 and both seem to get on well. Amalgamations should be sensible (parish or adjoining clubs) and have a minimum term of time possibly 10 years which allows clubs to exist yet develop players at underage for the future
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Heshs Umpire on March 12, 2022, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: Jd on March 12, 2022, 02:37:33 PM
Yes I'd agree that the amalgamation must be a long term one Stradbally parish gaels are 3 clubs joined for 30 years and St Pauls could be up to 50 and both seem to get on well. Amalgamations should be sensible (parish or adjoining clubs) and have a minimum term of time possibly 10 years which allows clubs to exist yet develop players at underage for the future
It might well be the guts of 50 years since St Paul's began but there was a period in the 90's when both clubs had their own underage and minor teams.
Similarly, Stradbally have left Annanough and Timahoe to their own devices a couple of different times.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 17, 2022, 12:29:53 PM
Any where I can follow laois U20 hurling game v offaly that's on now??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 17, 2022, 01:12:10 PM
It's on the Clg Laois Facebook page. Laois winning 0-9 to 0-6 at half-time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 17, 2022, 01:19:12 PM
Thanks. Just gave htime score but no up to date scores.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 17, 2022, 01:49:01 PM
Yeah, well, looks like Leix lost again. 1-13 to 0-13 in the wind up. Typical. The u20s were supposed to be good, and all. I don't think we've 'ere a good underage hurling team on the horizon at this point.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 02, 2022, 01:46:38 PM
Any link to watch laois U20s hurlers today?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 02, 2022, 03:39:19 PM
Good result V Antrim today, could have buried in a few more goals too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: town1980 on April 03, 2022, 11:46:26 PM
Stop please
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 04, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: town1980 on April 03, 2022, 11:46:26 PM
Stop please

Maybe take some of your own advice
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on April 04, 2022, 09:16:45 PM
 Bit of hope for the u20s. Look to be missing a few key players though that they will need. Fionan Mahony, Mossy Keyes, Ciaran Burke and Cathal Murphy are important players all of which started in last years championship. They are physical players too, we look a bit lightweight without them and we will need that against the bigger challenges to come. Keyes was an unused sub so hopefully he is working his way back in. None of the other 3 were on the 26. Anyone know of their progress?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 04, 2022, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on April 04, 2022, 09:16:45 PM
Bit of hope for the u20s. Look to be missing a few key players though that they will need. Fionan Mahony, Mossy Keyes, Ciaran Burke and Cathal Murphy are important players all of which started in last years championship. They are physical players too, we look a bit lightweight without them and we will need that against the bigger challenges to come. Keyes was an unused sub so hopefully he is working his way back in. None of the other 3 were on the 26. Anyone know of their progress?

Burke is out again

He's had an awful run of injuries in fairness to him
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Home Boys Home on April 05, 2022, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on April 04, 2022, 09:16:45 PM
Bit of hope for the u20s. Look to be missing a few key players though that they will need. Fionan Mahony, Mossy Keyes, Ciaran Burke and Cathal Murphy are important players all of which started in last years championship. They are physical players too, we look a bit lightweight without them and we will need that against the bigger challenges to come. Keyes was an unused sub so hopefully he is working his way back in. None of the other 3 were on the 26. Anyone know of their progress?

Fionán Mahony broke his foot in training the week before the Antrim match so he is out. Mossy Keyes dislocated his shoulder a few weeks ago but is on the way back, don't know if he will be available for Kildare match, hopefully if they get over that he will be available for quarter final. Pretty sure Ciaran Burke opted out a while ago to concentrate on football. Cathal Murphy not sure but I think he had a hamstring problem, he has been out a few weeks now,  and as he wasn't in the match day squad for Antrim it's probably unlikely he is available for this Saturday.

Kildare in Newbridge will be a tough match, they beat Wexford there last year if I remember correctly.

It's a pity the above injuries have undermined this team a bit. You are 100% correct above on the physicality especially as all 4 lads would operate in the middle third.

Diarmuid Dooley would also have been a great boost to this team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 05, 2022, 11:29:41 AM
Quote from: Home Boys Home on April 05, 2022, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on April 04, 2022, 09:16:45 PM
Bit of hope for the u20s. Look to be missing a few key players though that they will need. Fionan Mahony, Mossy Keyes, Ciaran Burke and Cathal Murphy are important players all of which started in last years championship. They are physical players too, we look a bit lightweight without them and we will need that against the bigger challenges to come. Keyes was an unused sub so hopefully he is working his way back in. None of the other 3 were on the 26. Anyone know of their progress?

Fionán Mahony broke his foot in training the week before the Antrim match so he is out. Mossy Keyes dislocated his shoulder a few weeks ago but is on the way back, don't know if he will be available for Kildare match, hopefully if they get over that he will be available for quarter final. Pretty sure Ciaran Burke opted out a while ago to concentrate on football. Cathal Murphy not sure but I think he had a hamstring problem, he has been out a few weeks now,  and as he wasn't in the match day squad for Antrim it's probably unlikely he is available for this Saturday.

Kildare in Newbridge will be a tough match, they beat Wexford there last year if I remember correctly.

It's a pity the above injuries have undermined this team a bit. You are 100% correct above on the physicality especially as all 4 lads would operate in the middle third.

Diarmuid Dooley would also have been a great boost to this team.

David??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Home Boys Home on April 05, 2022, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on April 05, 2022, 11:29:41 AM


David??

Sorry, yes David.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on April 05, 2022, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: Home Boys Home on April 05, 2022, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on April 04, 2022, 09:16:45 PM
Bit of hope for the u20s. Look to be missing a few key players though that they will need. Fionan Mahony, Mossy Keyes, Ciaran Burke and Cathal Murphy are important players all of which started in last years championship. They are physical players too, we look a bit lightweight without them and we will need that against the bigger challenges to come. Keyes was an unused sub so hopefully he is working his way back in. None of the other 3 were on the 26. Anyone know of their progress?

Fionán Mahony broke his foot in training the week before the Antrim match so he is out. Mossy Keyes dislocated his shoulder a few weeks ago but is on the way back, don't know if he will be available for Kildare match, hopefully if they get over that he will be available for quarter final. Pretty sure Ciaran Burke opted out a while ago to concentrate on football. Cathal Murphy not sure but I think he had a hamstring problem, he has been out a few weeks now,  and as he wasn't in the match day squad for Antrim it's probably unlikely he is available for this Saturday.

Kildare in Newbridge will be a tough match, they beat Wexford there last year if I remember correctly.

It's a pity the above injuries have undermined this team a bit. You are 100% correct above on the physicality especially as all 4 lads would operate in the middle third.

Diarmuid Dooley would also have been a great boost to this team.
Cathal Murphy and mossy keyes should be good to go Saturday. Burke was never part of plans when he opted for laois senior footballers. But unfortunately injured he ankle recently and out for another few weeks. Fionan mahoney will be big loss.
2 big games Saturday. Hopefully we can come out the right side of both
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Home Boys Home on April 05, 2022, 08:01:09 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on April 05, 2022, 07:44:34 PM

Cathal Murphy and mossy keyes should be good to go Saturday. Burke was never part of plans when he opted for laois senior footballers. But unfortunately injured he ankle recently and out for another few weeks. Fionan mahoney will be big loss.
2 big games Saturday. Hopefully we can come out the right side of both

It would be a big boost if Mossy and Cathal Murphy are available. Three of the lads in the forwards struggled on Saturday against Antrim. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on April 07, 2022, 03:04:31 PM
After the strong showing by our u21s last year and with a number of those lads involved again this year you'd be optimistic that this team will be highly competitive against any side in Leinster (perhaps with the exception of a very strong Galway side).  Missing the likes of Burke, Mahony and possibly Keyes as well is a big blow to perhaps taking a scalp in this year's championship. However, some very decent players filtering through with potential to add to the Laois senior squad in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 08, 2022, 09:49:27 AM
We have three consecutive very good groups coming through, highly unusual for us. How they are handled over the next 5-6 years will be key.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 08, 2022, 11:08:36 AM
Hope your right about the 3 groups coming through. I seeing our U20s last week and they were just OK and will have it all to do to beat kildare tomorrow.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 08, 2022, 03:20:42 PM
Yeah, exactly - which are the three "very good" groups?! Are you including last year's u20s, and this year's? Who else?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 08, 2022, 04:23:50 PM
In my opinion the 2002, 2003 and 2004 groups are very good
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 09, 2022, 12:18:58 PM
Feck sake no updates of laois game on laois gaa twitter or laois today bad form.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 09, 2022, 01:11:31 PM
Kildare GAA live scores on twitter- were ahead 1,17 to 0 13
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 09, 2022, 01:14:15 PM
👍
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 09, 2022, 01:25:56 PM
Won it 1-21 to 0-16
Good win
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Post by: G@@ on April 09, 2022, 04:52:26 PM
Good win for the minors too over Kildare. 4-22/4-23 to 0-10 depending on the source
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
Laois u14s are running trials for the past 6 weeks and there's no management in place to oversee it

The football at the same age grade had their management in place before they even started their trials around the same time

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
Laois u14s are running trials for the past 6 weeks and there's no management in place to oversee it

The football at the same age grade had their management in place before they even started their trials around the same time

If there's no management in place who is running the trials.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
Laois u14s are running trials for the past 6 weeks and there's no management in place to oversee it

The football at the same age grade had their management in place before they even started their trials around the same time

If there's no management in place who is running the trials.

The Games Manager and GDA's
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
Laois u14s are running trials for the past 6 weeks and there's no management in place to oversee it

The football at the same age grade had their management in place before they even started their trials around the same time

If there's no management in place who is running the trials.


What's the story? Are they struggling to get people involved?
The Games Manager and GDA's
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
Laois u14s are running trials for the past 6 weeks and there's no management in place to oversee it

The football at the same age grade had their management in place before they even started their trials around the same time

If there's no management in place who is running the trials.


What's the story? Are they struggling to get people involved?
The Games Manager and GDA's

No one wants to take it


A good few have been asked and declined
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 03:49:54 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on April 11, 2022, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
Laois u14s are running trials for the past 6 weeks and there's no management in place to oversee it

The football at the same age grade had their management in place before they even started their trials around the same time

If there's no management in place who is running the trials.


What's the story? Are they struggling to get people involved?
The Games Manager and GDA's

No one wants to take it


A good few have been asked and declined

How would one put their name forward?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 11, 2022, 08:32:29 PM
How many clubs make up Na Fianna in the minor hurling?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 11, 2022, 09:46:10 PM
Quote from: Laois man on April 11, 2022, 08:32:29 PM
How many clubs make up Na Fianna in the minor hurling?


Na Fianna (Ballyfin, Clonaslee St Manmans, Mountmellick & Slieve Bloom)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 11, 2022, 10:31:32 PM
Crazy from Ctown to near Kinnitty and back near portarlington some area for one team🤔
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 12, 2022, 11:05:54 AM
Heard chat that Slieve Bloom are gone back w/ Castletown, so not w/ Na Fianna any more.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 12, 2022, 11:58:00 AM
Castletown are by themselves.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on April 15, 2022, 01:06:14 PM
Good to see Kevin byrne fit and starting for the Minors. One of the best underage prospects we have.

Big task against a strong Offaly team but I think we're more than decent.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on April 19, 2022, 07:45:16 AM
U15 Feile held this weekend.
Castletown win A after claiming B last year. Beat ballacolla in final , between them, rathdowney and harps to make up top 4. Very little between those 3 bit this is a good Castletown team. Well coached.
Park and portlaoise aboth competitive too; PRT have a lot of good lads srill underagenext year. Good to see Port and mountrath at A level too. Some strong individuals.
Always good for lapis when ctown produce good underage teams and this one is very.
Camross won B beating borris/k. Decent enough competition for B standard.

There is a problem thoigh, and a problem of clubs making not county board but we now have 6 weeks of championship with some potentially woeful one-sided matches.

Ctown in a group with 2 teams from B Feile; one conceded matches, other didn't make a semi.
Harps same. bcolla in with all B teams.
One group will be competitive between 1st/2nd and again 3rd/4th bit big gap them between those pairs.
I predict lots of matches conceded. Has happened already in one group.

This isn't going to help anyone.

And it's result of too many clubs trying to hurl in B over the years. Or amalgamated clubs being graded B and whipping smaller clubs on their own. (And my own club guilty too.)
So I don't blame Co board on this one.

But could the groups have been formed after feile?
There is obviously a clear A/B.

Throwing them all together looks "fair" on paper as they'll all end up at their level but 6 weeks in May/june wasted with hammerings and lads losing interest.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 19, 2022, 01:46:35 PM
Was at feile games yesterday Castletown looked very good and there skill level was very high especially some of there forwards. Great to see a very big crowd there. Q. are the feile weekends for the winning teams gone? Was hearing yesterday its just a day out in Thurles now for the winners.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 19, 2022, 02:08:05 PM
I was under the impression that was just last year because of Covid, but I could be wrong...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 19, 2022, 02:22:33 PM
Quote from: Laois man on April 19, 2022, 01:46:35 PM
Was at feile games yesterday Castletown looked very good and there skill level was very high especially some of there forwards. Great to see a very big crowd there. Q. are the feile weekends for the winning teams gone? Was hearing yesterday its just a day out in Thurles now for the winners.

Feile Weekends were scrapped in 2019

A retrograde step
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 20, 2022, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on April 20, 2022, 09:23:01 AM
That was a very disappointing result last night, especially given how well we had played in the first half. Wexford weren't up to much really but upped their intensity after the break and we didn't match it. Some good performances but unfortunately just couldn't convert enough of our chances and barely made a goal chance to speak of for whatever reason. Not being hard on the lads, these things can happen in a game, but just felt we should have gotten the win their talent and hard work deserved. Between this and last Sunday we could really be riding the crest of a wave this morning. Instead we're again looking at what might have beens. The hurlers across Minor, U20 and Senior have no interest in what might have beens.

Tend to agree. Last night in particular was very winnable. Two missed frees in last few minutes and lost by a point.

However, if I was Wexford I would be much happier for the future. A lot of the basic skills and first touch was in abundance on the Wexford team but was absent for many of the Laois players. We got turned over maybe 100 times in the match because we dropped the ball or couldn't rise it after multiple bites at the cherry. Top counties don't seem to have this disease. Don't want to be too negative as there was plenty of strong displays and a few future Laois hurlers on view but we need to have higher standards on the basics.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on April 20, 2022, 05:28:20 PM
Really thought these were quite even teams. Wex had one or two lively forwards who could get away a little easier for a score.

We must remember Fionan O'Mahony didnt play and Mossy Keyes played an injury curtailed 25 mins. They are 2 of our best.

The last two balls we were pulled down cynically for one and one more pass might have created a goal chance on the last. Cant help feeling we need the bit of divilment, a bit of lets scalp these, a bit of lets tear up the history books in our ranks. We took a point when two down. Almost saying a 1 pt defeat is better than 2.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 30, 2022, 03:06:10 PM
Super win for our minor hurlers today again wexford. But we nearly thrown it away. 12 mins left up by 7 wexford down to 14 men and we go with 2 sweepers instead of pushing on and trying to win it by 10.Thank God we got that late goal and we deserve to win.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 01, 2022, 12:03:12 PM
Fantastic win. It's hugely important that we are able to grab a win like that from the jaws of defeat. After leading the whole game it would have been criminal to lose it.

Kilkenny next for the minors in Portlaoise next Saturday 7th May at midday if the Leinster GAA website is telling the truth!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on May 06, 2022, 02:48:55 PM
As highlighted a few weeks ago by some posters- the madness of the championship structure at underage level is coming to fruition. This should not be allowed to happen. Very unfair on the young Rosenallis players.

U-15 Hurling Championship Phase 1 Group A Round 2
Rosenallis 1-3 Rathdowney Errill 15-28
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 06, 2022, 04:45:32 PM
Ridiculous. If you were trying to figure out a way to encourage people to give up the sport, you might start with something like this!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 06, 2022, 05:56:12 PM
Quote from: Laois Rising on May 06, 2022, 02:48:55 PM
As highlighted a few weeks ago by some posters- the madness of the championship structure at underage level is coming to fruition. This should not be allowed to happen. Very unfair on the young Rosenallis players.

U-15 Hurling Championship Phase 1 Group A Round 2
Rosenallis 1-3 Rathdowney Errill 15-28

OK. Give us the answer, then. For years, 'A' standard teams graded themselves as 'B' in order to win handy titles. Is that good for clubs or players' development, either? This way, teams find their own level before going into the championship proper. How else would you propose going about it?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on May 06, 2022, 06:08:50 PM
By u15 its clear enough who is A and B at each grade surely or is nobody watching these players?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 06, 2022, 08:04:13 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on May 06, 2022, 06:08:50 PM
By u15 its clear enough who is A and B at each grade surely or is nobody watching these players?

Give us the teams who will make the i15  A championship and the B championship then


And we can come back in 2 months time and see if you were 100% right

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on May 07, 2022, 01:36:36 PM
Absolutely superb win for the u17s against Kilkenny. Fully deserved.
Offaly next Saturday.
Some sprouts of hope for the future fingers crossed  :D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on May 07, 2022, 01:48:23 PM
Some performance that, defense was exceptional I thought. Quinlan is a super hurler and Deegan was excellent from frees with a massive one at the end. Minor hurlers giving us something to cheer about despite a tough year.

Offaly will probably go in as slight favourites in final but no reason Laois can't go and beat them if they play like they did against Wexford and KK.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Gmac on May 07, 2022, 02:37:30 PM
Great to see some good news around Laois gaa .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 07, 2022, 02:59:07 PM
Great result played a lovely brand of hurling well done to all. Any indeed where and when final is
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 07, 2022, 03:14:18 PM
Final is next Saturday, apparently. Don't know where yet.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on May 07, 2022, 03:45:41 PM
Nowlan Park next Saturday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 07, 2022, 06:02:37 PM
Are you back Pat?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on May 07, 2022, 07:49:31 PM
My mistake it's not Nowlan Park now . Toss of a coin Monday to decide whether it's in Portlaoise or Tullamore for Monday the 16th.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on May 07, 2022, 10:34:37 PM
While we can admire these young men and hope they will become senior co hurlers some day, NOW is the time to start driving all other areas of hurling development in the county. Development squads need more, setanta programme must be supported, financed and expanded, secondary schools need assistance, a new juvenile hurling club in portlaoise is needed, more GPO's in clubs, portarlington hurling progress must continue etc etc etc
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 07, 2022, 10:43:22 PM
And try and make a big deal of the final. It's a pity the profile of the minor championship has slipped a bit.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 07, 2022, 11:28:23 PM
Having the final on a Monday evening probably doesn't help the profile very much.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on May 08, 2022, 09:12:02 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on May 07, 2022, 10:34:37 PM
While we can admire these young men and hope they will become senior co hurlers some day, NOW is the time to start driving all other areas of hurling development in the county. Development squads need more, setanta programme must be supported, financed and expanded, secondary schools need assistance, a new juvenile hurling club in portlaoise is needed, more GPO's in clubs, portarlington hurling progress must continue etc etc etc

Don't think a new hurling club is needed, the hurling clubs already picking players out of portlaoise just need more support and work in the schools. I doubt Clonad would be happy if a new hurling club was set up in portlaoise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 08, 2022, 08:18:25 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on May 07, 2022, 11:28:23 PM
Having the final on a Monday evening probably doesn't help the profile very much.

To be honest I think it's better, many folks would have planned their weekend days well ahead and not at all factored in a Leinster Minor Hurling Final featuring Laois. A few folk I know who wouldn't be known for going to matches very much are going to the final because the day and time is convenient for them.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 09, 2022, 09:29:52 AM
Brilliant win.

Read somewhere that TG4 will be showing the game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 09, 2022, 10:31:25 AM
Any update on when there are tossing coin for the venue?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 09, 2022, 10:32:18 AM
That's happening today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 09, 2022, 10:49:21 AM
Think it's tonight the coin toss is
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 09, 2022, 10:53:20 AM
👍
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 09, 2022, 11:05:27 AM
Laois v Offaly

Tipperary v Clare

Galway and the 2 provincial losers play a round robin to decide top 2 who then go into an all ireland semifinal

The lads have a minimum of 3 more games to look forward to
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 09, 2022, 11:10:51 AM
Quote from: G@@ on May 08, 2022, 08:18:25 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on May 07, 2022, 11:28:23 PM
Having the final on a Monday evening probably doesn't help the profile very much.

To be honest I think it's better, many folks would have planned their weekend days well ahead and not at all factored in a Leinster Minor Hurling Final featuring Laois. A few folk I know who wouldn't be known for going to matches very much are going to the final because the day and time is convenient for them.

That's great if it turns out like that. It's not the best for people like me who live outside the county,  trying to get to midweek matches shortly after work. Anyway, I hope as many people as possible will travel to support them!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on May 09, 2022, 01:31:07 PM
For anyone who missed the game
https://youtu.be/TpWahEwM-T0 (https://youtu.be/TpWahEwM-T0)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 09, 2022, 02:08:57 PM
Home leinster final next Monday night great news. County board should try encourage all clubs to bring there juvenile teams to it for support and show the juvenile teams they can be there down the line. Surely we could do some deal on tickets for the underage teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on May 09, 2022, 02:53:50 PM
Is Derek Mc Grath still 'helping out'?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 09, 2022, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: Laois man on May 09, 2022, 02:08:57 PM
Home leinster final next Monday night great news. County board should try encourage all clubs to bring there juvenile teams to it for support and show the juvenile teams they can be there down the line. Surely we could do some deal on tickets for the underage teams.

Couldn't agree more

There's a full program of u13 hurling and u17 hurling games for next Monday night

They should be all rescheduled and a plan put in place now to get every juvenile in the county into OMP next Monday night


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 09, 2022, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: Laois man on May 09, 2022, 02:08:57 PM
Home leinster final next Monday night great news. County board should try encourage all clubs to bring there juvenile teams to it for support and show the juvenile teams they can be there down the line. Surely we could do some deal on tickets for the underage teams.

All U16s free, €15 otherwise - no concessions for students/OAPs. Online sales only: https://www.universe.com/events/electric-ireland-leinster-mhc-final-2022-laois-v-offaly-tickets-XGWL5Q

Quote from: clonadmad on May 09, 2022, 03:48:27 PM
Couldn't agree more

There's a full program of u13 hurling and u17 hurling games for next Monday night

They should be all rescheduled and a plan put in place now to get every juvenile in the county into OMP next Monday nigh

Yes, those U13 games should be rescheduled, I'd imagine the U17 games are a given to be rescheduled anyways?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 09, 2022, 05:06:56 PM
Looking over the fence: http://www.uibhfhaili.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7508
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 09, 2022, 05:12:17 PM
Should be only one game on next Monday night and that's in O Moore Park.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 09, 2022, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: G@@ on May 09, 2022, 04:56:36 PM
Quote from: Laois man on May 09, 2022, 02:08:57 PM
Home leinster final next Monday night great news. County board should try encourage all clubs to bring there juvenile teams to it for support and show the juvenile teams they can be there down the line. Surely we could do some deal on tickets for the underage teams.

All U16s free, €15 otherwise - no concessions for students/OAPs. Online sales only: https://www.universe.com/events/electric-ireland-leinster-mhc-final-2022-laois-v-offaly-tickets-XGWL5Q

Quote from: clonadmad on May 09, 2022, 03:48:27 PM
Couldn't agree more

There's a full program of u13 hurling and u17 hurling games for next Monday night

They should be all rescheduled and a plan put in place now to get every juvenile in the county into OMP next Monday nigh

Yes, those U13 games should be rescheduled, I'd imagine the U17 games are a given to be rescheduled anyways?

they are u17 football but you would hope they would be
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on May 09, 2022, 05:54:15 PM
Winning a provincial title at home against our near neighbours in front of a large passionate Laois support having already beaten Wexford and Kilkenny in the earlier rounds. It's the stuff of fairytales for Laois hurling.

However, this Offaly team dismantled a strong Dubin team in their semi-final. They seemed to have upped a few gears since they beat us earlier in the year. Granted we have done the same. It should be a right battle on Monday night. Hopefully the Laois lads can play to their potential on the night. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 09, 2022, 10:46:20 PM
Yes, hopefully, indeed. Should be a great occasion. Offaly will be favourites, I reckon - they beat Dublin well after starting poorly, and Dublin beat Kilkenny by a point earlier on. I know form at this level isn't all that reliable, but this Offaly team has been touted as a strong one from quite far out, whereas I think our lads have come in under the radar, somewhat.
In any case, best of luck to them!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on May 09, 2022, 11:11:53 PM
Being underdogs has suited them so far vs Wexford and Kilkenny. A home support and play to their potential and have a great chance. Positive signs and hopefully becomes more of a regular occurrence going forward getting to finals. A nice few from previous Laois minor finalists went on to reach senior level. Hopefully more of the same with this lot. 

Watched back highlights of both semi finals on TG4 Adam Screeney from Offaly corner forward very talented hurler 2-3 from play.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on May 12, 2022, 10:04:36 AM
In the region of 160 u10s present for the first night of new Setanta programme. Well done to all involved. Absolutely fabulous initiative
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 12, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on May 12, 2022, 10:04:36 AM
In the region of 160 u10s present for the first night of new Setanta programme. Well done to all involved. Absolutely fabulous initiative

That's Brilliant

It's a pity it can't be extended all the way up to u15

Well done to al the coach's involved who have lit a candle rather than curse the dark
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on May 12, 2022, 01:20:20 PM
From what I hear this years setanta is u10 next year is u10 and 11 the following u10 11 and 12 and so on until they are in development squads teaching basic skills at first and improvinv on them all the way up. Will take a while but should lead to a good supply of kids coming through in the future
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on May 12, 2022, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on May 12, 2022, 10:04:36 AM
In the region of 160 u10s present for the first night of new Setanta programme. Well done to all involved. Absolutely fabulous initiative

What way for the Setanta programme work?

Is it football and hurling?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 12, 2022, 02:18:00 PM
What's coaches are involved?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on May 12, 2022, 11:29:34 PM
Setanta is a hurling programme for the time being. Not sure is football being considered. It was the initiative of Brendan Phelan that got the ball rolling. The county gdos involved but the sucees of it depends on the hurling clubs sending in qualified coaches to cater for the large numbers.  Wednesday albeit the first night was an overwhelming success in the uptake from kids and coaches alike.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 16, 2022, 10:35:48 AM
Anyone know how the ticket sales are going for the final tonight?

I assume they are expecting a big crowd.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 16, 2022, 11:34:05 AM
They better have a few more turn stiles opened up tonight last 2 game the was a queue and feck all stiles opened.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: bluespower on May 16, 2022, 04:13:29 PM
Very best of luck to our minors tonight go out and hurl to your potential and just treat it like another game and don't get phased by the occasion.

A win would be wonderful and they can do it too but this Offaly team are strong and talented too so should be a real contest i hope we give it our all anyway and keep the winning streak going.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: smcder on May 16, 2022, 04:46:46 PM
Do we need to print the tickets out or can they scan it on our phones?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on May 16, 2022, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: smcder on May 16, 2022, 04:46:46 PM
Do we need to print the tickets out or can they scan it on our phones?

Either or.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 16, 2022, 05:06:12 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on May 16, 2022, 10:35:48 AM
Anyone know how the ticket sales are going for the final tonight?

I assume they are expecting a big crowd.


Over 4,500 sold already

Expecting a crowd over 10,000

Get in early
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 16, 2022, 05:49:10 PM
Over 10k expected? Whoa, that'll be lively.

Anywhere I've went they can scan the barcode off a phone screen, so there shouldn't be an issue.

Best of luck tonight to the lads. Hopefully we'll pull off a win. Breezy and sunny, so could be a game where one chases the other's lead.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on May 16, 2022, 08:26:25 PM
Watching on TG4 with Midlands 103 (Radio Tullamore) audio. Our lads were a bit over defensive with that first half breeze.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on May 16, 2022, 09:03:46 PM
Great athmosphere, decent game. Like previous poster I thought Laois like the seniors do were a bit over cautious in defence and driving it into two forwards and 4 defenders. Fair play thought the players gave it their all and plenty of fine hurlers on both teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on May 16, 2022, 09:06:59 PM
Best team won but I'd be disappointed with our tactics. Handed them 4 points (2 bad puck outs and two pulls on the ground to free Offaly men).
We'll have to regroup quickly now for All-Ireland series.
Yer man Joe Troy on Radio Tullamore is a ferocious dose. Neutral commentary is needed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on May 16, 2022, 09:19:39 PM
Radio Tullamore is right. Laois barely got a mention
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 16, 2022, 10:00:25 PM
Possibly shouldn't say it, but you'd have to be disappointed with the set up.
Use of the wind in the first half really poor.
Attempts to find the forward line in the second against it also poor.
Hard to know if it was tactical decisions re set up, or things just not working out on the day.
If it was the latter, then no harm, these things happen.

Maybe being harsh, but it really was the opportunity of a generation. When you see the crowds and witnessed the atmosphere. When will get such a PR opportunity to boost numbers ever again.

Having said all that, Offaly are a very good side.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 16, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
Set up was shocking in first half with the breeze.

However, we were not really at the races. Offaly skill level and pace was far superior to ours.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on May 16, 2022, 10:28:28 PM
No shame in losing to the better team. Offaly were excellent, worth winners and couldn't begrudge them. Hard luck to laois. Fought until the end and that's all we can ask.

Feel like we didn't really go for it. Set-up got us to the final so don't want to be over critical but when we got it back to 15-12 we should have had a lash. Wasn't to be and I think to be fair; different tactics wasn't going to deny offaly a deserved win.

Games against Galway and clare to come. Still plenty of hurling left.

Finally, what a crowd. Well done to everyone. Pleasure to see.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 16, 2022, 10:50:11 PM
Decent game with plenty of physicality, I thought - and you couldn't exactly accuse the ref. of being 'whistle-happy'!
But, yes - Offaly were better. However, we had enough chances to be ahead at half-time.
Still, a good year for them. Hopefully they can perform in the round-robin now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Smellyball on May 16, 2022, 11:31:23 PM
I wasn't there tonight but it seems like the usual sh!te was going on. Oh look there's a match on and the crowd has caught us by surprise, was there a decent amount of turnstiles open or what caused the delay?
As for the match - poor use of the ball with the wind (although the same could be said of offaly at times), lofting balls into offalys half back line against the wind. Can't complain really though as the better team won.
Fingers crossed for decent performances in the round Robin.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on May 17, 2022, 09:54:56 AM
Very disorganised considering tickets were bought online , so had a fair idea of crowd numbers

Awful tactics used last night and would have to feel sorry for the young lads
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2022, 10:03:51 AM
Whilst it's easy to blame the tactics

Offaly had the same tactics as Laois in the second half with the breeze

The difference was that they were a lot more accurate from distance


The were sharper,had a better first touch and were more assured in their passing.

The team with the better hurlers normally wins and that's what happens last night

Clare are as good as Offaly and Tipp,be interesting to see what Galway are like,not as strong as previous years,a win against them could see us into an All ireland semifinal v Tipperary
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 17, 2022, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2022, 10:03:51 AM
Whilst it's easy to blame the tactics

Offaly had the same tactics as Laois in the second half with the breeze

The difference was that they were a lot more accurate from distance


The were sharper,had a better first touch and were more assured in their passing.

The team with the better hurlers normally wins and that's what happens last night

Clare are as good as Offaly and Tipp,be interesting to see what Galway are like,not as strong as previous years,a win against them could see us into an All ireland semifinal v Tipperary

I agree fully. No doubting that this team should be very proud of beating Wexford and Kilkenny and how they fought during the match. No problem with physicality and heart.

I was more disappointed at the quality of our play than the result last night. I remember when we lost the 2013 final, Pat Critchley made some comments after the match that I was reminded of again last night. If you are not better at the basics, you can't expect to win. And the basics need to be thought and perfected well before a player is minor. I think Zoom said u12 is when the skills are fully formed. I see it with all Laois teams that our touch, ability to catch high balls and win rucks is well behind the top teams. Offaly were just a level up as were KK in 2013. What do we need to do to get the standards to that level, early in a players development? When we work that out we will start winning these matches. Offaly have a similar sized hurling population as us. If they can do it so can we.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 17, 2022, 12:20:04 PM
I would agree with most of the above.

However, apart from the basic skill levels, I think Offaly simply worked harder than us (which explains all the cramping in the last 15 minutes). If you work harder than your opposition, you can make the opponents' skill levels look inferior.

The other thing that should be remembered is that most of these lads are 16 or 17 and I think the occasion might have been a lot to absorb for one or two of them. This is understandable and the experience will stand to them.

Having said that, I really find it frustrating looking at high balls going into a one or two man full-forward line that is surrounded by 4 or 5 Offaly backs.

Thanks to Clonadmad for the heads up about the number of tickets being sold. It allowed me to make it on time. Couldn't get over the size of the crowd but it was great to see.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 17, 2022, 12:44:14 PM
Great crowd great occasion very proud of our lads but 2 forwards again 4 backs won't get many scores.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Smellyball on May 17, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on May 17, 2022, 10:01:25 AM
Quote from: Smellyball on May 16, 2022, 11:31:23 PM
I wasn't there tonight but it seems like the usual sh!te was going on. Oh look there's a match on and the crowd has caught us by surprise, was there a decent amount of turnstiles open or what caused the delay?
As for the match - poor use of the ball with the wind (although the same could be said of offaly at times), lofting balls into offalys half back line against the wind. Can't complain really though as the better team won.
Fingers crossed for decent performances in the round Robin.
It was held up 10 minutes and everybody had a good time, with no trouble. Stop trying to make something of it.

I'll say whatever I want.
It's the same story any time a reasonable crowd turns up in OMP, a couple of turnstiles open for a crowd of 3000, or the genius - funnel everyone through the one gate at the far end of the ground whilst making announcements to social distance in the stand.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 17, 2022, 01:29:44 PM
I was there early last night no issues in getting in.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Smellyball on May 17, 2022, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: Laois man on May 17, 2022, 01:29:44 PM
I was there early last night no issues in getting in.
Yeah but obviously some people did, or they wouldn't have delayed throw in citing "crowd congestion"
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 17, 2022, 02:45:44 PM
I think they were expecting 7 or 8 thousand but about 12 or 13 were there. Sure what's 10 mins on a great occasion.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on May 17, 2022, 02:54:19 PM
Bit unfair to the teams who had warm up done and had to go back into dressing rooms.

The queues were building well before 7pm so they could have done something then

But that aside it was a great atmosphere
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on May 17, 2022, 04:27:33 PM
A disappointing result last night on reflection. Offaly far superior all over the field. Won most of the 1:1 battles and we were heavily reliant on frees to stay in the game. Offaly had some excellent athleticism particularly 2 half backs got on a mountain of ball. Ball never seemed to stick any time got into forwards and seemed to try run through tackles and get turned over. Don't know if that's a Laois things as seen the seniors do similar this year. Some positive shoots for the future and hopefully over coming years some of last night's players will see senior action.
Clare and Galway will be good battles and will only bring the minors on.

Super crowd the guts of 12'500. Probably one of biggest attendances for a Leinster match outside of Croker this year. Bloody madness 1 turnstile open for terrace when I went in. If not mistaken Laois offaly football qualifier match few years back delayed for something similar not opening enough turnstiles.You'd think the county board would have learned.

You'd hope in this decade to get to a few more minor finals and eventually breaking a hoodoo and winning one. How the Setanta programme will be some indicator how we go along with clubs getting up to standard (including my own club).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2022, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: Helix. on May 17, 2022, 04:27:33 PM
A disappointing result last night on reflection. Offaly far superior all over the field. Won most of the 1:1 battles and we were heavily reliant on frees to stay in the game. Offaly had some excellent athleticism particularly 2 half backs got on a mountain of ball. Ball never seemed to stick any time got into forwards and seemed to try run through tackles and get turned over. Don't know if that's a Laois things as seen the seniors do similar this year. Some positive shoots for the future and hopefully over coming years some of last night's players will see senior action.
Clare and Galway will be good battles and will only bring the minors on.

Super crowd the guts of 12'500. Probably one of biggest attendances for a Leinster match outside of Croker this year. Bloody madness 1 turnstile open for terrace when I went in. If not mistaken Laois offaly football qualifier match few years back delayed for something similar not opening enough turnstiles.You'd think the county board would have learned.

You'd hope in this decade to get to a few more minor finals and eventually breaking a hoodoo and winning one. How the Setanta programme will be some indicator how we go along with clubs getting up to standard (including my own club).

The Setanta is for u10's only this year

i hope to God we wont be waiting or dependent on that bunch for our next final appearence in 2030

Theres a lot that could be done right now .

This years u15's need resources put into them as a matter of urgency

the u14's manager was only put in place for this year in the last 10 days and they have had only one session done so far,they are going to be going out against counties shorty who have been training  as development squads one day a week since November

If we want to replicate last night as opposed to patting ourselves on the back for the "occasion",like what some are doing today that I spoke to.

We would box off every Saturday or Sunday for hurling development

And get every hurler in the county from u10 to u15 into a Setanta program

But we won't

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 17, 2022, 05:21:16 PM
Who's the U14 manager?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on May 17, 2022, 06:03:50 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on May 17, 2022, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: Helix. on May 17, 2022, 04:27:33 PM
A disappointing result last night on reflection. Offaly far superior all over the field. Won most of the 1:1 battles and we were heavily reliant on frees to stay in the game. Offaly had some excellent athleticism particularly 2 half backs got on a mountain of ball. Ball never seemed to stick any time got into forwards and seemed to try run through tackles and get turned over. Don't know if that's a Laois things as seen the seniors do similar this year. Some positive shoots for the future and hopefully over coming years some of last night's players will see senior action.
Clare and Galway will be good battles and will only bring the minors on.

Super crowd the guts of 12'500. Probably one of biggest attendances for a Leinster match outside of Croker this year. Bloody madness 1 turnstile open for terrace when I went in. If not mistaken Laois offaly football qualifier match few years back delayed for something similar not opening enough turnstiles.You'd think the county board would have learned.

You'd hope in this decade to get to a few more minor finals and eventually breaking a hoodoo and winning one. How the Setanta programme will be some indicator how we go along with clubs getting up to standard (including my own club).

The Setanta is for u10's only this year

i hope to God we wont be waiting or dependent on that bunch for our next final appearence in 2030

Theres a lot that could be done right now .

This years u15's need resources put into them as a matter of urgency

the u14's manager was only put in place for this year in the last 10 days and they have had only one session done so far,they are going to be going out against counties shorty who have been training  as development squads one day a week since November

If we want to replicate last night as opposed to patting ourselves on the back for the "occasion",like what some are doing today that I spoke to.

We would box off every Saturday or Sunday for hurling development

And get every hurler in the county from u10 to u15 into a Setanta program

But we won't

Agree with this. Pump everything into our underage structures. Take loans if needed to fund it. We als find a way to balance the books.

Great to see setanta back and no criticism intended to all those running it but needs to be seen as a minimum requirement. Strike now while the interest is high.
We missed the Joe Mc train, here's another we need to get on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 17, 2022, 09:18:53 PM
Any dates yet for minor Round Robin games or who we play first?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 17, 2022, 10:12:39 PM
Heartbreaking for the lads, to be honest I think the occasion fazed them. Our first touch was jittery at times - we looked nervous, whereas against KK we were much more clinical, so it's safe to say we didn't perform as good as we could have. Our aerial battles let us down too, Offaly had tall lads in key positions and we were unable to compete - especially in the HF and FF lines.  Offaly worked alot of diagonal which tested us to defend - and while we did cope well, off the shoulder running put us under further pressure - so with that a huge credit goes to the HB and FB lines for keeping their goal threats out (I think Offaly managed just 1 goal chance). A bit of panic in the second half with on the ground clearances, twice we ground cleared the ball and Offaly unmarked converted these gifts to points. Our workrate and heart was brilliant though - we fought for everything even down to the last whistle. Including kids there was rumoured to be close on 18K there last night which made the atmosphere electric. Fair play for everyone who organised busses of kids to come in - no easy task!
Hopefully we can grab a win over Clare or Galway which puts us into a semi-Final v Tipp.

Quote from: Laois man on May 17, 2022, 09:18:53 PM
Any dates yet for minor Round Robin games or who we play first?

We play whoever loses Clare V Galway on May 28th; We play who ever wins Clare V Galway on June 6th. Clare play Galway on May 21st. https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/electric-ireland-all-ireland-minor-hurling-quarter-finals-draw/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Gmac on May 17, 2022, 11:54:20 PM
Laois gaels sponsorship money collected is supposed to go to the improvement of underage structures in the county , needs to be a big effort to raise as much as possible.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on May 18, 2022, 11:52:05 AM
Very disappointing night for the minors Monday night, they just didn't hurl atall and showed way too much respect to Offaly.

The night in itself shows the level of passion there is in the county for hurling, it was brilliant to see. Lets hope we see more and more of it ...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on May 18, 2022, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: portlaoisekid on May 18, 2022, 11:52:05 AM
The night in itself shows the level of passion there is in the county for hurling, it was brilliant to see. Lets hope we see more and more of it ...
All we want is a little bit of success in either hurling or football. You could see that Monday night, a few years ago with the Joe McDonagh Cup and further back with the footballers.
People will support Laois GAA but only if they see things being done the right way.
Fierce important that the seniors stay up.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on May 18, 2022, 01:50:27 PM
Best team won Monday night . Plenty to be encouraged about though with that team . Great to see such a large Laois support .
Crowd control outside OMP was a farcical. Lack of stewards very evident and a couple of Gardai roaring and shouting for people to keep in from passing traffic added to a very amateurish set-up around the ground .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 21, 2022, 02:22:19 PM
Galway 0-25 v 0-09 Clare.

We've Clare then next week.

A win will see us through to the AI Semis.

If we draw, we need to not loose by more than 15pts to Galway and we will get through on scoring difference.

It's all in our hands now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 21, 2022, 02:49:18 PM
Is it not galway first at home next week?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on May 21, 2022, 03:00:39 PM
No . Next Saturday 2pm against todays loser .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 21, 2022, 03:06:03 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 23, 2022, 09:47:29 AM
How did our Development Squads get on this weekend?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 23, 2022, 10:10:22 AM
Fixtures say Galway sat in the minor at home at 2pm.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Andy06 on May 23, 2022, 10:33:17 AM
I thought we play the winner of the Galway - Clare game first. That means that the final game isn't a dead rubber I believe
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 23, 2022, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: Andy06 on May 23, 2022, 10:33:17 AM
I thought we play the winner of the Galway - Clare game first. That means that the final game isn't a dead rubber I believe

Galway bet Clare on Saturday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 27, 2022, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: Laois man on May 21, 2022, 02:49:18 PM
Is it not galway first at home next week?
Last week it clearly said on the GAA site that we would play the losing team from Galway V Clare.
Now it doesn't.
Strange.
Galway in Portlaoise tomorrow at midday I believe.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 28, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
Best of luck to the minor today. Looking at Galway  v Clare last week galway are a series outfit.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 28, 2022, 02:13:34 PM
Good performance by the minors. If half our goal chances were converted we'd have won well.
Quinlan is a joy to watch.
Referee should have worn a Galway shirt.
All to play for V Clare next Saturday. I'd be quietly confident.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on May 28, 2022, 10:48:54 PM
Jasus that ref was absolutely terrible today! His decision making gave Galway at least 5/6 points in the end, awful stuff. Good performance again from the lads, they could have had 5 goals today. Galway keeper pulled off some great saves.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 30, 2022, 09:51:50 AM
Great performance from the minors. Just a little more clinical and could have won.
They picked themselves up after the Leinster final defeat.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on May 30, 2022, 11:32:02 AM
Thomas Gleeson is viewed as a very good up and coming referee. On reflection, I'm sure he will be disappointed with this performance. It seemed to be a case of natural biasism towards the more "elite" side in Galway in some of the decisions he made. He unfortunately proved the difference in the game and to Laois' cost. That Laois team deserve a semi final placing, however, Clare have had an extra week to prepare themselves for this game and with home advantage it might prove telling. I hope I'm wrong. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 04, 2022, 08:53:29 AM
Best of luck to laois minors today. 60 mins away from a All Ireland Sfinal.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 04, 2022, 12:43:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axVI6t85TWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axVI6t85TWs)

Can be watched on TG4 Youtube channel
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 04, 2022, 01:52:37 PM
Not looking too good. Clare faster, better at passing, and much less inclined to fumble the ball.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on June 04, 2022, 02:38:46 PM
Long range shooting let us down with a few very bad wides. We needed that early goal chance to go in to settle. Thought we made a few bad passing decisions. Pity about this result, a good minor team that done us proud all the same this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on June 20, 2022, 04:24:35 PM
How did the hurling development squads get on at the weekend?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 20, 2022, 07:44:41 PM
U16s had two squads out on Saturday - 'blue squad' lost to a Wexford selection by six, and 'white squad' beat Westmeath narrowly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on June 21, 2022, 08:59:19 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 20, 2022, 07:44:41 PM
U16s had two squads out on Saturday - 'blue squad' lost to a Wexford selection by six, and 'white squad' beat Westmeath narrowly.

Thanks, did the 14s and 15s play?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 21, 2022, 01:07:50 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on June 21, 2022, 08:59:19 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 20, 2022, 07:44:41 PM
U16s had two squads out on Saturday - 'blue squad' lost to a Wexford selection by six, and 'white squad' beat Westmeath narrowly.

Thanks, did the 14s and 15s play?

14's bet kildare and lost to kerry
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on June 23, 2022, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on June 20, 2022, 07:44:41 PM
U16s had two squads out on Saturday - 'blue squad' lost to a Wexford selection by six, and 'white squad' beat Westmeath narrowly.


The Blue Squad and the White Squad... Reminds of the Garda cars years ago.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on July 04, 2022, 12:00:21 PM
Offaly's excellent performance yesterday gives some context for the standards reached by our minors this year. Hopefully, this will provide some encouragement to our lads and give them the belief that we can make it too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Moregroundhurling on July 05, 2022, 12:06:53 PM
The club hurling leagues say a lot about the "hurling problem" in Laois at the moment. The big clubs are getting bigger and stronger, the smaller clubs are drowning slowly. Every grade was won by a clubs 2nd or 3rd team. Colt/ Shanahoe being the only 1st team to reach a league final. I didn't include Junior C because, well it's Junior C. Small clubs going to be forced into amalgamations or else just accept that they are falling further and further away from the pack.

For the sake of causing an arguement. Camross will have a competitive team in each of the 1st 3 divisions of our league next and there's a possibility they may not have a representative on the senior panel

1B - Rathdowney/ Errill (2)
2 - Abbeyleix (2)
3 Camross (3)
4 - Harps  (3)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 05, 2022, 01:29:55 PM
We in Laois should have parish rule to make hurling stronger. Was looking at U15 results last week Ctown beat Mrath who have players who will be gone to Trumrea when the get to adult age then in the U15 B i see Clonad/Trumrea had a team playing aswell. Like how does this work can you just pick who you play for. If clubs don't put in the work with there juveniles and have little coming through they can't stay going. You can say the big clubs are getting bigger but the Camross Ctown Rdowney /Errill and lots of other clubs have big numbers underage but there starting with them at 3 and 4 years of age with takes huge time and commitment but pays off down the line. Maybe I am wrong but if you don't put it the hours in the field at underage you don't deserve to have anything coming through.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on July 05, 2022, 03:10:04 PM
A very valid observation Laois Man. There should be nurseries (when the new Laois GDOs are appointed who can oversee and help clubs out) provided for certain attachment areas that will allow younger players from 4-8 years of age play hurling, learn the skills and develop an interest. Make connections with the primary schools connected with these clubs and encourage children to come along to the nurseries. If three clubs smaller for example came together and ran a collective nursery it would perhaps help these clubs grow the participation numbers for these clubs once they get to u13 and need to find the numbers to field team. It could also help develop long term amalgamations where clubs still struggle for numbers, instead of this bed hopping scenario that we currently have. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 05, 2022, 03:17:13 PM
Agree 100%laois rising.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 05, 2022, 10:36:01 PM
Any update or names doing the rounds for laois senior hurling manager?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: kklad87 on July 19, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
Strong rumours according to Will O'Callaghan on Off the Ball that Tommy Dunne is linked to the job.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 19, 2022, 08:35:24 PM
Hope he's right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on July 19, 2022, 09:19:04 PM
Quote from: kklad87 on July 19, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
Strong rumours according to Will O'Callaghan on Off the Ball that Tommy Dunne is linked to the job.

Would be great to have on board with Laois. He's also a possibly returning to Dublin fold with Joe Fortune of Ballyboden, current Westmeath manager. A more appealing role though of course.

Is there even a committee of some description set up to find a Laois manager?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 19, 2022, 10:31:20 PM
I heard Ryan O Dywer former Tipp and Dublin player was approached aswell.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on July 19, 2022, 11:27:41 PM
I hope to god the rumours of Ryan O Dwyer and / or Declan Laffan are not true

Hopefully their trying to entice a David Herity / Darren Gleeson / on board
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 20, 2022, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: Laois man on July 19, 2022, 10:31:20 PM
I heard Ryan O Dywer former Tipp and Dublin player was approached aswell.


Ryan O'Dwyer, they couldn't be serious, could they? Bloody hell. What will he do? Come in and show us how to get sent off?  JAYSUS!!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on July 20, 2022, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on July 20, 2022, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: Laois man on July 19, 2022, 10:31:20 PM
I heard Ryan O Dywer former Tipp and Dublin player was approached aswell.


Ryan O'Dwyer, they couldn't be serious, could they? Bloody hell. What will he do? Come in and show us how to get sent off?  JAYSUS!!!

Yeah, wouldn't be too inspiring.

Does he not still play for a club in Tipp, Cashel?

Tommy Dunne would be a better option.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 20, 2022, 10:03:18 AM
Yeah he's playing for Cashel King Cormac's still as far as I know . I'd be very surprised if he got the gig . Limited managerial experience apart from some club team in Meath .
Pat Ryan from Cork who managed them to  2 u-20 all Irelands was nominated but seemingly not interested.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on July 20, 2022, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: Spiritof86 on July 20, 2022, 10:03:18 AM
Yeah he's playing for Cashel King Cormac's still as far as I know . I'd be very surprised if he got the gig . Limited managerial experience apart from some club team in Meath .
Pat Ryan from Cork who managed them to  2 u-20 all Irelands was nominated but seemingly not interested.

Ok, thanks. Laois need somebody asap to get a good look at players over the next few months and get them on a S&C programme after that.

Options are limited. Managers nowadays can pick and choose their teams I think or have more options maybe.

Looking at Laois as a manager or up-and-coming manager, you'd be thinking will they improve my CV? Will I get full buy in from all the top players? Maybe a no so a manager might stick with a top ranking club instead of going to Laois - just a thought.

On the other hand, they might look at what Eddie Brennan did and think they could do likewise possibly, with all the cards falling in the right direction.

What club is Shane O'Neill (ex-Galway and Na Piarsaigh) with nowadays?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 20, 2022, 11:59:01 AM
I think he's involved with Na Piarsaigh in Limerick .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 20, 2022, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: Spiritof86 on July 20, 2022, 10:03:18 AM
Yeah he's playing for Cashel King Cormac's still as far as I know . I'd be very surprised if he got the gig . Limited managerial experience apart from some club team in Meath .
Pat Ryan from Cork who managed them to  2 u-20 all Irelands was nominated but seemingly not interested.

ODwyer is with Liam Mellows in Galway

There wasn't a hope of getting Pat Ryan as he was odds on to take over when Kingston fell on his sword and the Cork CB had him lined up anyways
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 20, 2022, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 20, 2022, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: Spiritof86 on July 20, 2022, 10:03:18 AM
Yeah he's playing for Cashel King Cormac's still as far as I know . I'd be very surprised if he got the gig . Limited managerial experience apart from some club team in Meath .
Pat Ryan from Cork who managed them to  2 u-20 all Irelands was nominated but seemingly not interested.

ODwyer is with Liam Mellows in Galway

There wasn't a hope of getting Pat Ryan as he was odds on to take over when Kingston fell on his sword and the Cork CB had him lined up anyways



That must have been a very recent transfer my mistake then . Pretty sure I saw him on the line togged out for King Cormac's a few weeks back .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on July 20, 2022, 08:56:11 PM
Quote from: Spiritof86 on July 20, 2022, 06:42:00 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 20, 2022, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: Spiritof86 on July 20, 2022, 10:03:18 AM
Yeah he's playing for Cashel King Cormac's still as far as I know . I'd be very surprised if he got the gig . Limited managerial experience apart from some club team in Meath .
Pat Ryan from Cork who managed them to  2 u-20 all Irelands was nominated but seemingly not interested.

ODwyer is with Liam Mellows in Galway

There wasn't a hope of getting Pat Ryan as he was odds on to take over when Kingston fell on his sword and the Cork CB had him lined up anyways



That must have been a very recent transfer my mistake then . Pretty sure I saw him on the line togged out for King Cormac's a few weeks back .

Maybe he meant he's coaching LM in Galway but still playing club with Cashel in Tipperary?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on July 21, 2022, 12:06:32 AM
Shane O Neill  & his coach Declan  Fitzgerald are with Borrisoleigh
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on July 21, 2022, 01:20:25 PM
 Christ the names being mentioned here dont look too inspiring. Ryan O Dwyer they can't be serious. I wouldn't even be happy with Tommy dunne. He's not that highly regarded in tipp.
We need to be ambitious here. Anthony Daly, Derek McGrath, Eamonn O Shea, Liam Sheedy, Derek Lyng, Davy Fitz, Get Eddie back. Lads with pedigree at management, not just taking a chance on a lad that could play a bit. This appointment is important. Id like good laois selectors in then too such as Tommy fitz, Eamonn Jack man, Niall Rigney
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 21, 2022, 01:26:25 PM
Are you serious ? Apart from everything else how do you suggest we pay the likes of a Fityz or Liam Sheedy ? Supermacs vouchers ?

I hear McGrath is on the way back to Waterford.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on July 21, 2022, 02:57:38 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on July 21, 2022, 01:20:25 PM
Christ the names being mentioned here dont look too inspiring. Ryan O Dwyer they can't be serious. I wouldn't even be happy with Tommy dunne. He's not that highly regarded in tipp.
We need to be ambitious here. Anthony Daly, Derek McGrath, Eamonn O Shea, Liam Sheedy, Derek Lyng, Davy Fitz, Get Eddie back. Lads with pedigree at management, not just taking a chance on a lad that could play a bit. This appointment is important. Id like good laois selectors in then too such as Tommy fitz, Eamonn Jack man, Niall Rigney

It's Laois. You need to get real!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on July 21, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on July 21, 2022, 01:20:25 PM
Christ the names being mentioned here dont look too inspiring. Ryan O Dwyer they can't be serious. I wouldn't even be happy with Tommy dunne. He's not that highly regarded in tipp.
We need to be ambitious here. Anthony Daly, Derek McGrath, Eamonn O Shea, Liam Sheedy, Derek Lyng, Davy Fitz, Get Eddie back. Lads with pedigree at management, not just taking a chance on a lad that could play a bit. This appointment is important. Id like good laois selectors in then too such as Tommy fitz, Eamonn Jack man, Niall Rigney
would you try cody?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on July 21, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Serious delusion.

Best we can hope for is young and ambitious with a couple of good coaches.

Be interesting to hear who Bugler has with with him.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 21, 2022, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on July 21, 2022, 01:20:25 PM
Christ the names being mentioned here dont look too inspiring. Ryan O Dwyer they can't be serious. I wouldn't even be happy with Tommy dunne. He's not that highly regarded in tipp.
We need to be ambitious here. Anthony Daly, Derek McGrath, Eamonn O Shea, Liam Sheedy, Derek Lyng, Davy Fitz, Get Eddie back. Lads with pedigree at management, not just taking a chance on a lad that could play a bit. This appointment is important. Id like good laois selectors in then too such as Tommy fitz, Eamonn Jack man, Niall Rigney

That gave me a laugh anyways

Davy Fitz,Daly,Sheedy,EOS even McGrath wouldnt be interested in a Joe McDonagh team

Tommy Dunne is highly regarded in Tipp as a coach having been involved in their last 2 All Ireland wins,its doubtful though that he would set foot in a set up that would have a fraction of the resources that the likes of Tipp have at their disposal.

I hope Im wrong

is Declan Laffan worth a call?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 21, 2022, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: Robbo on July 21, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Serious delusion.

Best we can hope for is young and ambitious with a couple of good coaches.

Be interesting to hear who Bugler has with with him.

Bugler has another ex Clare player Fergal Lynch involved in his back room set up apparently who has coached Clare minors and Galway u20s in recent years . Bugler would be interesting.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on July 21, 2022, 09:47:55 PM
I dont think I'm deluded at all. Davy fitz is with Cork Camogie.  Surely laois would be more desirable for him and surely we could afford to pay him as much as cork camogie are.
Anthony Daly is only with his own club this year. Who knows maybe he would like the challenge.
The expectation in laois for success is low. However there is a good chance of winning the joe mc with a shot at one of the big guns in a preliminary quarter final. Its not like we haven't had success here before.

I dont see the harm in trying get the best man we can.
Looking at some of the posts here we are a total lost cause and its like as if we shouldn't bother putting out a team at all
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on July 21, 2022, 11:58:20 PM
I would agree. If we feel inferior about ourselves, the future is very bleak
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on July 22, 2022, 10:13:09 AM

We need an ambitious manager who is willing to dig in and make us a better team despite the lack of resources compared to the big boys. Regardless of money and profile in Laois,the big names wouldn't have the balls to manage Laois.

For our level we have a very good panel of a players at a very good age and with a few cracking youngsters coming through. It should be a very attractive prospect to a certain type of manager . Who that is I dont know but getting the right manager is extremely tough and I dont envy the CBs job.


Just please god do not get in some journeyman in for a quick buck.





Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on July 22, 2022, 11:09:19 AM
Davy would be brilliant for Laois. Serious hurling brain and would drive standards. Other than Dublin, not too many other jobs that will be available this year. KK would never hire an outsider. I suppose Waterford might look at him again but can't see it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 22, 2022, 03:15:25 PM
Lads on here seem to missing the point completely looking for a name to manage

The first thing the name will do when interviewed will have a list of what he wants and a budget to go with it

Tipperary spent €1.5m winning an all ireland in 19 under Sheedy with a backroom team of 29 and that was just what appeared in their county board accounts,it didn't include donations from outside the county board

Davy normally needs a second bus for his backroom team

Laois doesn't have the access to this level of funds and even if it did,the likes of a Davy would bleed the  juvenile development budgets in a county white to fund the senior operation



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on July 22, 2022, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 22, 2022, 03:15:25 PM
Lads on here seem to missing the point completely looking for a name to manage

The first thing the name will do when interviewed will have a list of what he wants and a budget to go with it

Tipperary spent €1.5m winning an all ireland in 19 under Sheedy with a backroom team of 29 and that was just what appeared in their county board accounts,it didn't include donations from outside the county board

Davy normally needs a second bus for his backroom team

Laois doesn't have the access to this level of funds and even if it did,the likes of a Davy would bleed the  juvenile development budgets in a county white to fund the senior operation

Great Post.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 22, 2022, 08:33:25 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 22, 2022, 03:15:25 PM
Lads on here seem to missing the point completely looking for a name to manage

The first thing the name will do when interviewed will have a list of what he wants and a budget to go with it

Tipperary spent €1.5m winning an all ireland in 19 under Sheedy with a backroom team of 29 and that was just what appeared in their county board accounts,it didn't include donations from outside the county board

Davy normally needs a second bus for his backroom team

Laois doesn't have the access to this level of funds and even if it did,the likes of a Davy would bleed the  juvenile development budgets in a county white to fund the senior operation

In a nutshell .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 22, 2022, 10:15:43 PM
We need a manager with Laois at heart and get the best players in Laois on board. The last few years with not even a laois selector on board was crazy. Remember all them outside selectors were being paid. With everyone on board we are fit to win the Joe Mcdonagh again.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on July 22, 2022, 10:30:49 PM
Quote from: Laois man on July 22, 2022, 10:15:43 PM
We need a manager with Laois at heart and get the best players in Laois on board. The last few years with not even a laois selector on board was crazy. Remember all them outside selectors were being paid. With everyone on board we are fit to win the Joe Mcdonagh again.
spare a thought for what Chedd put into that set up himself
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 22, 2022, 10:58:01 PM
Agree 100%. But had we all the best players on board.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 23, 2022, 12:29:30 PM
Laffan off the market

Tipp selector
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on July 23, 2022, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 23, 2022, 12:29:30 PM
Laffan off the market

Tipp selector

Best of luck to Laffan. A great opportunity in his native county and has done well with Clough Ballacolla.


Brian Cody gone from Kilkenny. Mickey Harte went to Louth when he finished with Tyrone so why not try a punt on asking Cody. It is crazy to suggest, and for some hilarious, but don't ask don't get.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blasmere on July 23, 2022, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 23, 2022, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 23, 2022, 12:29:30 PM
Laffan off the market

Tipp selector

Best of luck to Laffan. A great opportunity in his native county and has done well with Clough Ballacolla.
Brian Cody gone from Kilkenny. Mickey Harte went to Louth when finished with Tyrone so why not try a punt on Cody. It is crazy to suggest but don't ask don't get.
I don't think Harte left of his own volition. Cody will have done. I doubt he'd consider managing any other county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on July 23, 2022, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: blasmere on July 23, 2022, 03:07:17 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 23, 2022, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 23, 2022, 12:29:30 PM
Laffan off the market

Tipp selector

Best of luck to Laffan. A great opportunity in his native county and has done well with Clough Ballacolla.
Brian Cody gone from Kilkenny. Mickey Harte went to Louth when finished with Tyrone so why not try a punt on Cody. It is crazy to suggest but don't ask don't get.
I don't think Harte left of his own volition. Cody will have done. I doubt he'd consider managing any other county.

After the handshake fiascos with Henry I think he lost a few friends too. I believe a change of chairman in Kilkenny is on the way soon loyal support and probably right time to go. One thing for sure the best to ever manage in the game and his record will stand the test of time.

I agree whether he'd consider managing another county never mind Laois. Again, don't ask, don't get.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Kidder81 on July 23, 2022, 03:31:41 PM
Quote from: Helix. on July 23, 2022, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 23, 2022, 12:29:30 PM
Laffan off the market

Tipp selector

Best of luck to Laffan. A great opportunity in his native county and has done well with Clough Ballacolla.


Brian Cody gone from Kilkenny. Mickey Harte went to Louth when he finished with Tyrone so why not try a punt on asking Cody. It is crazy to suggest but don't ask don't get.

Mickey Harte went to Louth due to the money on offer
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on July 23, 2022, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 23, 2022, 12:29:30 PM
Laffan off the market

Tipp selector

Laughable that the Borris lads wouldn't want him as an option.

Tommy Dunne seems to be the main man.

Hilarious that anyone would think Cody would even consider us.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on July 24, 2022, 12:51:15 AM
Quote from: Robbo on July 23, 2022, 11:12:38 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 23, 2022, 12:29:30 PM
Laffan off the market

Tipp selector

Laughable that the Borris lads wouldn't want him as an option.

Tommy Dunne seems to be the main man.

Hilarious that anyone would think Cody would even consider us.

Tommy would be a great addition to get. Time will tell of course. Can't be stressed enough how crucial next appointment is to Laois Hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 24, 2022, 07:43:33 PM
Anybody who knows what a hurl is should surely know that the chances of Brian Cody ever being involved with a team other than The Village or Kilkenny are non existent.

Tommy Dunne would be a fabulous appointment. I'd caution this by saying that the Dublin or Waterford jobs would be his if he wanted them. So I'd be surprised if we managed to snap him up.

Ryan O Dwyer's name seems to be very much out there as having a strong chance.
I assume M Dempsey wouldn't do it- god he'd be a fantastic option.

Arien, Eamon or Tommy Fitz (or more than one of them) must be involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 25, 2022, 12:20:36 PM
Any updates on our senior hurling and fball managers yet? Would be good to have them in place while the Cship is going on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on July 25, 2022, 12:51:44 PM
Quote from: Laois man on July 25, 2022, 12:20:36 PM
Any updates on our senior hurling and fball managers yet? Would be good to have them in place while the Cship is going on.

Billy Sheehan was at the football matches yesterday. Think he's staying on
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 25, 2022, 01:38:33 PM
Sheehan is staying on . Back room team to be re-jigged apparently.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 25, 2022, 04:42:59 PM
Hearing it's between Ryan O'Dwyer and Brendan Bugler . Tommy Dunne withdrew  from the race apparently.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on July 28, 2022, 10:40:14 PM
I see that sports Joe.ie have Derek Mcgrath nominated as the most suitable candidate for the Laois senior job
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 29, 2022, 10:17:48 AM
McGrath back to Waterford i'd say.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on July 29, 2022, 06:44:25 PM
Can't see Dictionary Derek back with Waterford to be honest .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 29, 2022, 09:03:01 PM
I'd expect to see one of Molumpy, Brennan or Fennelly with Waterford.
Neither of the boys have a notion of getting the Kilkenny gig.

Fennelly possibly involved in back room capacity if he wants.
If he doesn't get the offer/turns it down we should probably make a move there.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 02, 2022, 12:00:22 PM
I see where we played Kilkenny at the weekend. I think it was U15. Any idea how it went? The Development Squad qualifiers are on next weekend.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on August 02, 2022, 12:45:28 PM
Any update on a new hurling manager yet? It's going on a while now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 02, 2022, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 02, 2022, 12:00:22 PM
I see where we played Kilkenny at the weekend. I think it was U15. Any idea how it went? The Development Squad qualifiers are on next weekend.

U14s it was

Beaten by KK

Tony Forristal/Sonny Buckley u14 All Ireland starting this weekend

You wouldn't be too hopeful for success given that u14 squad only came together in May
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on August 03, 2022, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Laois man on August 02, 2022, 12:45:28 PM
Any update on a new hurling manager yet? It's going on a while now.

Brendan Bugler has it .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on August 03, 2022, 02:13:28 PM
Bugler is with birr at the moment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 03, 2022, 05:45:19 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 02, 2022, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 02, 2022, 12:00:22 PM
I see where we played Kilkenny at the weekend. I think it was U15. Any idea how it went? The Development Squad qualifiers are on next weekend.

U14s it was

Beaten by KK

Tony Forristal/Sonny Buckley u14 All Ireland starting this weekend

You wouldn't be too hopeful for success given that u14 squad only came together in May

Was that our A team against their A team or was it one of those Even teams blitzes they have now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on August 03, 2022, 08:04:44 PM
Quote from: Laois man on August 03, 2022, 02:13:28 PM
Bugler is with birr at the moment.

?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on August 03, 2022, 10:24:25 PM
Ye Bulger is training birr in offaly this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on August 04, 2022, 09:26:04 AM
Yes he is but I'd imagine he would be combining roles until his Birr position ends at the conclusion of the championship.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 04, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Lads we should keep the senior managers posts in the senior hurlers thread. This thread is for what's happening with the under age hurling in the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 04, 2022, 11:22:26 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 03, 2022, 05:45:19 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 02, 2022, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 02, 2022, 12:00:22 PM
I see where we played Kilkenny at the weekend. I think it was U15. Any idea how it went? The Development Squad qualifiers are on next weekend.

U14s it was

Beaten by KK

Tony Forristal/Sonny Buckley u14 All Ireland starting this weekend

You wouldn't be too hopeful for success given that u14 squad only came together in May

Was that our A team against their A team or was it one of those Even teams blitzes they have now.

Kk had 25 odd and Laois had 45 odd

Played one game
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 04, 2022, 11:16:54 PM
In with cork Tipperary and Wexford in the forristal this Saturday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 04, 2022, 11:25:38 PM
How the hell did we get in with them?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on August 05, 2022, 12:27:48 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 04, 2022, 11:16:54 PM
In with cork Tipperary and Wexford in the forristal this Saturday

Hopefully they give a good account of themselves over the weekend. After the ladies win at weekend and minor hurlers in Leinster final the county is craving for a bit of success.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 05, 2022, 09:41:00 PM
In the u15 Arrabawn tournament tomorrow

Laois 1 are drawn with Limerick 1  and Cork 2
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 06, 2022, 11:22:13 PM
Forristal/Buckley u14 qualifiers was moved to Wexford centre of excellence due to what had happened in Thurles last night

Tipperary didn't turn up

Laois A were competitive v Wexford but got a trimming against Cork

Laois B got the mother and father of beatings off both Cork and Wexford teams

When you see 1 mentor over each laois  team versus the setup of other counties

Laois would be better off staying at home until they sort their shit out

No offence to either the youngsters or the mentors who have taken up this thankless poisoned chalice
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on August 07, 2022, 06:26:45 PM
You would really have to wonder what the issues are here. I believe there was a great number of coaches turned out for the setanta programme this summer with great numbers of kids too. Very disappointing to see this happen at an important age group. What are these u14 kids impressions of standards at County level? The set up in there clubs is likely to be better. I thought part of the idea of Gdo's in the clubs was to allow the county gdo's to drive on the county development squads? Are they not involved here. Hard questions need to be asked and this cannot be allowed to happen in the coming years. After the positivity around the minors this year now is the time to drive on the groups coming behind them.
How did u15s get on? There set up any better?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on August 07, 2022, 08:02:36 PM
Can anyone here outline the people involved (and fair play to them for getting involved) with Laois u14, u15, u16 hurlers? The ppl involved seem to have been left shorthanded. I also ask what is the level of involvement from GDO's?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on August 07, 2022, 09:30:09 PM
Folks we are so far behind in Our is  set up is unbelievable . We have the players but the right coaching and professional is not in place.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: marty34 on August 07, 2022, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Laois man on August 07, 2022, 09:30:09 PM
Folks we are so far behind in Our is  set up is unbelievable . We have the players but the right coaching and professional is not in place.

That all costs money.

Is that the issue?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 08, 2022, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 07, 2022, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Laois man on August 07, 2022, 09:30:09 PM
Folks we are so far behind in Our is  set up is unbelievable . We have the players but the right coaching and professional is not in place.

That all costs money.

Is that the issue?


Surely to God it can't cost that much to run a development squad. What would you need? We have all the facilities needed: Pitches, gym, qualified S+C people. The spend needed couldn't be big. The biggest requirements are time inputted and effort. If we are short on those we are in bother.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on August 10, 2022, 03:29:07 PM
Still no hurling manager in place and a full round of Cship games on the weekend.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on August 10, 2022, 05:02:54 PM
Davy Fitz back in with Waterford seemingly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 12, 2022, 10:12:36 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 08, 2022, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 07, 2022, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Laois man on August 07, 2022, 09:30:09 PM
Folks we are so far behind in Our is  set up is unbelievable . We have the players but the right coaching and professional is not in place.

That all costs money.

Is that the issue?


Surely to God it can't cost that much to run a development squad. What would you need? We have all the facilities needed: Pitches, gym, qualified S+C people. The spend needed couldn't be big. The biggest requirements are time inputted and effort. If we are short on those we are in bother.

The reality is that nearly all hurling counties are training their 2022 u14 teams since before Christmas,they are together twice a week gym work ball wall tactics nutrition etc

In a lot of cases they are being looked after by ambitious managers with designs on bringing them through to minor and possibly beyond

Laois started trials in March/April at u14 to pick a squad without a management team in place to watch the trials

Only eventually got a manager nearly a month after the trials were over, the clubs then sent in names of players which meant the trials really were for nought and they started to train in May

And we expect our 14's to compete?

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 12, 2022, 10:57:03 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 12, 2022, 10:12:36 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 08, 2022, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on August 07, 2022, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Laois man on August 07, 2022, 09:30:09 PM
Folks we are so far behind in Our is  set up is unbelievable . We have the players but the right coaching and professional is not in place.

That all costs money.

Is that the issue?


Surely to God it can't cost that much to run a development squad. What would you need? We have all the facilities needed: Pitches, gym, qualified S+C people. The spend needed couldn't be big. The biggest requirements are time inputted and effort. If we are short on those we are in bother.

The reality is that nearly all hurling counties are training their 2022 u14 teams since before Christmas,they are together twice a week gym work ball wall tactics nutrition etc

In a lot of cases they are being looked after by ambitious managers with designs on bringing them through to minor and possibly beyond

Laois started trials in March/April at u14 to pick a squad without a management team in place to watch the trials

Only eventually got a manager nearly a month after the trials were over, the clubs then sent in names of players which meant the trials really were for nought and they started to train in May

And we expect our 14's to compete?


That's fairly grim.... And it isn't a financial issue either. It's an organisational disaster and is very unfair on the players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on August 22, 2022, 03:19:48 PM
Dublin have a new senior hurling manager I see aswell. And still not a word from our country  board and qfinals on Sunday.???
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 24, 2022, 09:41:51 AM
Laois play Galway White which is their third team in the semifinal of the Arrabawn u15 Plate Competition on Saturday

Throw in is for 12 in Toomevara

The plate is the third tier competition in the Arrabawn which is the A u15 competition

Laois don't have a team in any of the 3 levels of the John Doyle Cup/Shield or Plate which is the B u15 competition
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal

Pure madness. Who organises this rubbish? There's no way any county should have two teams in the same competition.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal

Pure madness. Who organises this rubbish? There's no way any county should have two teams in the same competition.

Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?

Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal

Pure madness. Who organises this rubbish? There's no way any county should have two teams in the same competition.

Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?

Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county

[ftp=ftp://Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?]Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ? (ftp://ftp://)[/ftp]

No. The situation we are in is all down to ourselves. I am however blaming them for putting a structure on a competition that allows two teams for the same county to meet in a national semi final. What was wrong with the old system where the A teams played in the Tony Forristal and the B teams plus some weaker counties played in the Sonny Walsh. A much better and more straightforward system.

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?[/b]]

Yes, but that in itself shows the ridiculous structure of the competition.

[ftp=ftp://[ftp=ftp://Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county][ftp]

100% correct. God be with the days when we were doing well in the Forristal, competing with and beating the top counties. We can't even get into it now. Shambolic.  (ftp://[ftp=ftp://%5Bb)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal

Pure madness. Who organises this rubbish? There's no way any county should have two teams in the same competition.

Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?

Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county

[ftp=ftp://Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?]Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ? (ftp://ftp://)[/ftp]

No. The situation we are in is all down to ourselves. I am however blaming them for putting a structure on a competition that allows two teams for the same county to meet in a national semi final. What was wrong with the old system where the A teams played in the Tony Forristal and the B teams plus some weaker counties played in the Sonny Walsh. A much better and more straightforward system.

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?[/b]]

Yes, but that in itself shows the ridiculous structure of the competition.

[ftp=ftp://[ftp=ftp://Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county][ftp]

100% correct. God be with the days when we were doing well in the Forristal, competing with and beating the top counties. We can't even get into it now. Shambolic.
(ftp://[ftp=ftp://%5Bb)

The laois A team found themselves in the B competition because they were the worst team in the qualifying section

That's how they found themselves down there

I presume we'd preferred if those kids got the shite kicked out of them in the A competition

At least then we could fool ourselves that we had a team in the A competition and everything was great

As for the god be with the days comment

In its 40 odd years of existence 

We have never won it

And I think Laois got to a semifinal just the once although I'm open to correction

A lot of the time we have been cannon fodder

So you can take off the rose tinted glasses there too


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal

Pure madness. Who organises this rubbish? There's no way any county should have two teams in the same competition.

Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?

Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county

[ftp=ftp://Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?]Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ? (ftp://ftp://)[/ftp]

No. The situation we are in is all down to ourselves. I am however blaming them for putting a structure on a competition that allows two teams for the same county to meet in a national semi final. What was wrong with the old system where the A teams played in the Tony Forristal and the B teams plus some weaker counties played in the Sonny Walsh. A much better and more straightforward system.

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?[/b]]

Yes, but that in itself shows the ridiculous structure of the competition.

[ftp=ftp://[ftp=ftp://Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county][ftp]

100% correct. God be with the days when we were doing well in the Forristal, competing with and beating the top counties. We can't even get into it now. Shambolic.
(ftp://[ftp=ftp://%5Bb)

The laois A team found themselves in the B competition because they were the worst team in the qualifying section

That's how they found themselves down there

I presume we'd preferred if those kids got the shite kicked out of them in the A competition


What I want is a situation which we had up to not so long ago where we were well prepared and competitive. Stupid comments like saying we prefer if they got the shite hurled out of them aren't helpful. Nobody wants that.

At least then we could fool ourselves that we had a team in the A competition and everything was great

As for the god be with the days comment

In its 40 odd years of existence 

We have never won it

And I think Laois got to a semifinal just the once although I'm open to correction

A lot of the time we have been cannon fodder

So you can take off the rose tinted glasses there too


For Laois, the Forristal has been very similar to how the McDonagh has been for the Seniors. Some years we are good enough to go up to A and other years we aren't. Over the years we weren't always in the Forristal. In those years we entered our first team in the Walsh (B). When we were in the A we put the second team in B. But no matter where we were there was never the ridiculous possibility of both our teams meeting each other.
We have shipped some bad results, that's true, but when we have been well organised we have competed well. Didn't we beat Kilkenny and Limerick not so long ago. Those are the days I wanted God to be with. That Kilkenny team got to a minor All Ireland. It's possible if done right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadsane on August 26, 2022, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal

Pure madness. Who organises this rubbish? There's no way any county should have two teams in the same competition.

Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?

Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county

[ftp=ftp://Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?]Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ? (ftp://ftp://)[/ftp]

No. The situation we are in is all down to ourselves. I am however blaming them for putting a structure on a competition that allows two teams for the same county to meet in a national semi final. What was wrong with the old system where the A teams played in the Tony Forristal and the B teams plus some weaker counties played in the Sonny Walsh. A much better and more straightforward system.

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?[/b]]

Yes, but that in itself shows the ridiculous structure of the competition.

[ftp=ftp://[ftp=ftp://Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county][ftp]

100% correct. God be with the days when we were doing well in the Forristal, competing with and beating the top counties. We can't even get into it now. Shambolic.
(ftp://[ftp=ftp://%5Bb)

The laois A team found themselves in the B competition because they were the worst team in the qualifying section

That's how they found themselves down there

I presume we'd preferred if those kids got the shite kicked out of them in the A competition

At least then we could fool ourselves that we had a team in the A competition and everything was great

As for the god be with the days comment

In its 40 odd years of existence 

We have never won it

And I think Laois got to a semifinal just the once although I'm open to correction

A lot of the time we have been cannon fodder

So you can take off the rose tinted glasses there too
I've been following this thread for a while now without an account, however curiosity got the better of me. I have a son in squads, and you seem to have more information about the squads than we as parents do. So with that, are you a parent? Coach with the squads? County board executive? Full time employee? From talking to our own coaching officer the extent of the detail you have on squads fixtures etc is much more than is circulated to clubs and parents so if you could direct me towards where this information is shared please that would be great?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal

Pure madness. Who organises this rubbish? There's no way any county should have two teams in the same competition.

Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?

Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county

[ftp=ftp://Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?]Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ? (ftp://ftp://)[/ftp]

No. The situation we are in is all down to ourselves. I am however blaming them for putting a structure on a competition that allows two teams for the same county to meet in a national semi final. What was wrong with the old system where the A teams played in the Tony Forristal and the B teams plus some weaker counties played in the Sonny Walsh. A much better and more straightforward system.

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?[/b]]

Yes, but that in itself shows the ridiculous structure of the competition.

[ftp=ftp://[ftp=ftp://Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county][ftp]

100% correct. God be with the days when we were doing well in the Forristal, competing with and beating the top counties. We can't even get into it now. Shambolic.
(ftp://[ftp=ftp://%5Bb)

The laois A team found themselves in the B competition because they were the worst team in the qualifying section

That's how they found themselves down there

I presume we'd preferred if those kids got the shite kicked out of them in the A competition


What I want is a situation which we had up to not so long ago where we were well prepared and competitive. Stupid comments like saying we prefer if they got the shite hurled out of them aren't helpful. Nobody wants that.

At least then we could fool ourselves that we had a team in the A competition and everything was great

As for the god be with the days comment

In its 40 odd years of existence 

We have never won it

And I think Laois got to a semifinal just the once although I'm open to correction

A lot of the time we have been cannon fodder

So you can take off the rose tinted glasses there too


For Laois, the Forristal has been very similar to how the McDonagh has been for the Seniors. Some years we are good enough to go up to A and other years we aren't. Over the years we weren't always in the Forristal. In those years we entered our first team in the Walsh (B). When we were in the A we put the second team in B. But no matter where we were there was never the ridiculous possibility of both our teams meeting each other.
We have shipped some bad results, that's true, but when we have been well organised we have competed well. Didn't we beat Kilkenny and Limerick not so long ago. Those are the days I wanted God to be with. That Kilkenny team got to a minor All Ireland. It's possible if done right.

Laois have themselves to blame for the "ridiculous possibility" of possibly playing each other in the second tier of a B all ireland

No one else

The year they bet Limerick and Kilkenny was 2017 beaten by Tipperary in the semifinal.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 02:36:17 PM
Quote from: clonadsane on August 26, 2022, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 26, 2022, 10:06:56 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Both Laois u14 teams in the Sonny Buckley this Saturday in Waterford which is the u14 B all ireland competition

Laois 1 play Wexford 2

Laois 2 play Tipperary 2


In the quarter finals

If both teams lose they will play each other in a shield semifinal

Pure madness. Who organises this rubbish? There's no way any county should have two teams in the same competition.

Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?

Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county

[ftp=ftp://Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ?]Are you actually blaming the organisers for where Laois find themselves ? (ftp://ftp://)[/ftp]

No. The situation we are in is all down to ourselves. I am however blaming them for putting a structure on a competition that allows two teams for the same county to meet in a national semi final. What was wrong with the old system where the A teams played in the Tony Forristal and the B teams plus some weaker counties played in the Sonny Walsh. A much better and more straightforward system.

You do know how laois found themselves having 2 teams in the B competition?[/b]]

Yes, but that in itself shows the ridiculous structure of the competition.

[ftp=ftp://[ftp=ftp://Maybe if Laois were serious about their u14 players,(see my previous post as to the utter shambles it's been this year)the first team wouldn't be in the B competition,and they would be the same as every other county][ftp]

100% correct. God be with the days when we were doing well in the Forristal, competing with and beating the top counties. We can't even get into it now. Shambolic.
(ftp://[ftp=ftp://%5Bb)

The laois A team found themselves in the B competition because they were the worst team in the qualifying section

That's how they found themselves down there

I presume we'd preferred if those kids got the shite kicked out of them in the A competition

At least then we could fool ourselves that we had a team in the A competition and everything was great

As for the god be with the days comment

In its 40 odd years of existence 

We have never won it

And I think Laois got to a semifinal just the once although I'm open to correction

A lot of the time we have been cannon fodder

So you can take off the rose tinted glasses there too
I've been following this thread for a while now without an account, however curiosity got the better of me. I have a son in squads, and you seem to have more information about the squads than we as parents do. So with that, are you a parent? Coach with the squads? County board executive? Full time employee? From talking to our own coaching officer the extent of the detail you have on squads fixtures etc is much more than is circulated to clubs and parents so if you could direct me towards where this information is shared please that would be great?


All on Twitter as regards competitions times dates and results

https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1562780127901077504?s=21&t=tF0nbNY7KgSeBF0qG4Tf_A

https://twitter.com/under15hurling/status/1562352977184178176?s=21&t=x2mR_A4XIKuvTQ8jnyUkrQ

Most county's have their Forristal and Arrabawn  squads and game times posted up across their social media channels 

https://twitter.com/under15hurling/status/1563122906904739841?s=21&t=x2mR_A4XIKuvTQ8jnyUkrQ

I've no doubt they will keep everyone in their counties abreast of their results and progress also

Laois don't seem to bother with any of this
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 27, 2022, 07:15:21 PM
U16s easily beat Kerry and lost to Meath in extra-time in a tournament at Clonad today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 27, 2022, 11:30:43 PM
Laois had 2 teams today in the Sonny Walsh u14 B competition in Waterford

Laois 1 0-07 Tipperary 2 12-28

Tipperary 2 then played Laois 2

Laois 2  2-10 Tipperary 2 7-15


Laois 1 then played Wexford 1

Laois 1 2-08  Wexford 1 3-11

Wexford 1 were subsequently beaten by Kerry in a shield final

Wexford 1 0-03 Kerry 1 3-11



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on August 27, 2022, 11:44:35 PM
You're doing a great service sharing those results.
The Tipp Games Dev twitter account, for example, didn't but important that you get to make your point.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2022, 12:51:47 AM
Quote from: Robbo on August 27, 2022, 11:44:35 PM
You're doing a great service sharing those results.
The Tipp Games Dev twitter account, for example, didn't but important that you get to make your point.

I took the information from the Tony Forristal Twitter account but maybe instead of having a pop at me,you and your ilk might do something about what happened today

I have flagged the absolute shambles that these kids have been put through by adults who sent them out today to get absolutely taken apart by teams who if they were given any sort of support or coaching would have given them a game at the very least.

Maybe you'd prefer if the results weren't out in the open and we could continue to fool ourselves.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on August 28, 2022, 08:46:46 AM
This is horrendous. What are we at? Who is responsible?
After all the good work done with resurrecting the setanta programme and this years minors its a real shame to see this happening.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 28, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
I share your skepticism regarding his sincerity & motives Robbo, but the results aren't his fault.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadsane on August 28, 2022, 01:07:13 PM
Quote from: Robbo on August 27, 2022, 11:44:35 PM
You're doing a great service sharing those results.
The Tipp Games Dev twitter account, for example, didn't but important that you get to make your point.
Convenient how the result of Laois 5-11 to Wexford 1-7 wasn't posted in his reply.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2022, 02:04:55 PM
Keep shooting the messenger lads instead of addressing any of the issues I've raised at any stage

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2022, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: clonadsane on August 28, 2022, 01:07:13 PM
Quote from: Robbo on August 27, 2022, 11:44:35 PM
You're doing a great service sharing those results.
The Tipp Games Dev twitter account, for example, didn't but important that you get to make your point.
Convenient how the result of Laois 5-11 to Wexford 1-7 wasn't posted in his reply.

The same Wexford team that were beaten 3-11 to 0-03 by Kerry in the shield B final?

That Wexford team?

But yeah better to send those young lads down there to get massacred and shove it under the carpet rather than highlighting the issues and doing something about it

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadsane on August 28, 2022, 02:24:19 PM
Context is key here. That same Kerry team that Kilkenny only beat by 6 points? Very easy to throw up results with no context. You mention 15s, a quick scroll through the twitter links you've posted shows that they got to a final? And if things are so bad, what are you doing to affect change aside from slaughter our kids online?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2022, 03:37:07 PM
Quote from: clonadsane on August 28, 2022, 02:24:19 PM
Context is key here. That same Kerry team that Kilkenny only beat by 6 points? Very easy to throw up results with no context. You mention 15s, a quick scroll through the twitter links you've posted shows that they got to a final? And if things are so bad, what are you doing to affect change aside from slaughter our kids online?


Are you actually defending the set up

unbelievable if you are

Kerry beat that Wexford team out the gate,so there's your context

The 15s are being beaten by club teams!!!

They got to a C final

As for the charge of "slaughtering kids online"

Have you read any of my posts up to now,go back to any page here and you will see the opposite

I have been ranting and to be honest wasting my time in highlighting issues with years and the response from most has either been defensive or attacking me,few if any have ever directed their fire where it should be directed.

Why don't you get involved?

You've a son involved



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 28, 2022, 03:54:55 PM
In fairness, I don't think it should be left to players' parents to take up management and/ or backroom roles. It compromises them and their sons. I know it happens all the time at club level out of necessity, but at county level it should be avoided as much as possible. Besides, I'm pretty sure there is at least one father involved w/ the u15s - but only because there was no one else willing to do it at the start. Of course, it's the same w/ the u16s - although in that case the manager's son was with the minors most of the year so it wasn't an issue.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2022, 04:00:44 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on August 28, 2022, 03:54:55 PM
In fairness, I don't think it should be left to players' parents to take up management and/ or backroom roles. It compromises them and their sons. I know it happens all the time at club level out of necessity, but at county level it should be avoided as much as possible. Besides, I'm pretty sure there is at least one father involved w/ the u15s - but only because there was no one else willing to do it at the start. Of course, it's the same w/ the u16s - although in that case the manager's son was with the minors most of the year so it wasn't an issue.

Parents involved with sons and daughters brings a myriad of issues even at club level but if there's no one willing to get involved

What should parents do ?

Stand idly by?

I also heard that Laois teams weren't listed 1 to 15 on the program because jerseys went missing and weren't replaced

Absolutely shameful if true
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 28, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
Are the football squads in similar/better/worse shape?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 28, 2022, 05:13:30 PM
I heard from a parent whose son is on both u15 squads that the football set-up is way better.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on August 29, 2022, 07:50:16 AM
7 years since I started this thread.  The set up underage appears to have gotten worse in that time. What will it be like in another 7 years?? Why can't we set up a robust long term plan for hurling in laois that encompasses the setanta programme leading on to our development squads. It should be that difficult or cost that  much. The senior managers job is almost not worth talking about until we get our act together underage
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 29, 2022, 09:07:57 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
Are the football squads in similar/better/worse shape?

The 15 football set up is better in spite of rather than  due to any support from the CB,Mentors are driving it themselves whilst battling those that should be helping them

The 14 set up ran divisional trials in March/April but unlike the hurling there was actually management in place to view the games

Squad put together and started to train in May probably would get similar hidings if there was a football Forristal but there's 6-9 mentors in place and they are working to a plan for the next 12-14 months

The default setting appears to be the word No to most suggestions mentors put in place and most of these requests aren't costing a nickel to implement
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 29, 2022, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 29, 2022, 09:07:57 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
Are the football squads in similar/better/worse shape?

The 15 football set up is better in spite of rather than  due to any support from the CB,Mentors are driving it themselves whilst battling those that should be helping them

The 14 set up ran divisional trials in March/April but unlike the hurling there was actually management in place to view the games

Squad put together and started to train in May probably would get similar hidings if there was a football Forristal but there's 6-9 mentors in place and they are working to a plan for the next 12-14 months

The default setting appears to be the word No to most suggestions mentors put in place and most of these requests aren't costing a nickel to implement


Apologies for all the questions but you seem to know your way around the squads. Would you know why a request for something that doesn't cost a nickel would be turned down.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 29, 2022, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 29, 2022, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 29, 2022, 09:07:57 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
Are the football squads in similar/better/worse shape?

The 15 football set up is better in spite of rather than  due to any support from the CB,Mentors are driving it themselves whilst battling those that should be helping them

The 14 set up ran divisional trials in March/April but unlike the hurling there was actually management in place to view the games

Squad put together and started to train in May probably would get similar hidings if there was a football Forristal but there's 6-9 mentors in place and they are working to a plan for the next 12-14 months

The default setting appears to be the word No to most suggestions mentors put in place and most of these requests aren't costing a nickel to implement


Apologies for all the questions but you seem to know your way around the squads. Would you know why a request for something that doesn't cost a nickel would be turned down.

Apathy?

Having to go beyond the bare minimum in a job your paid to do?

A culture of accepting the lowest common denominator?

Not giving a shit and not being held to account?

And as was proved by Laois in the Forristal in 2017 and by the Minors this year,the talent is within the county

But we as adults are failing the kids of the county

Every

Single

Year


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 29, 2022, 11:44:38 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 29, 2022, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 29, 2022, 09:36:33 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 29, 2022, 09:07:57 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on August 28, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
Are the football squads in similar/better/worse shape?

The 15 football set up is better in spite of rather than  due to any support from the CB,Mentors are driving it themselves whilst battling those that should be helping them

The 14 set up ran divisional trials in March/April but unlike the hurling there was actually management in place to view the games

Squad put together and started to train in May probably would get similar hidings if there was a football Forristal but there's 6-9 mentors in place and they are working to a plan for the next 12-14 months

The default setting appears to be the word No to most suggestions mentors put in place and most of these requests aren't costing a nickel to implement


Apologies for all the questions but you seem to know your way around the squads. Would you know why a request for something that doesn't cost a nickel would be turned down.

Apathy?

Having to go beyond the bare minimum in a job your paid to do?

A culture of accepting the lowest common denominator?

Not giving a shit and not being held to account?

And as was proved by Laois in the Forristal in 2017 and by the Minors this year,the talent is within the county

But we as adults are failing the kids of the county

Every

Single

Year


Shameful and scandalous
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on August 30, 2022, 05:39:38 PM
Just another small question how can they put mentors in place when people are not willing to allow their names to go forward. I was involved with a team in there for a while and to be fair to the co board anything that was looked for within reason was provided. A huge problem is actually getting people to come into be part of setups. We covered the Co looking for people to help at different levels. But could only get three volunteers.  So while I know the Co Board are far from perfect some blame must attach itself to people who are not willing to help out both at County level and also at club level
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 30, 2022, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Jd on August 30, 2022, 05:39:38 PM
Just another small question how can they put mentors in place when people are not willing to allow their names to go forward. I was involved with a team in there for a while and to be fair to the co board anything that was looked for within reason was provided. A huge problem is actually getting people to come into be part of setups. We covered the Co looking for people to help at different levels. But could only get three volunteers.  So while I know the Co Board are far from perfect some blame must attach itself to people who are not willing to help out both at County level and also at club level

And that's a very fair point too
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 06, 2022, 11:45:31 AM
Laois GAA starting the search for underage development squad mentors for 2023 good and early

If anyone has the necessary qualifications,I'm sure they would be delighted to hear from you


https://forms.office.com/r/SY0t7p4xD0
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on September 14, 2022, 08:55:33 AM
With the senior management now in place has there been any progress on the minor and u20 set up?
I think the u20s should have a decent outfit plenty of good hurlers around that age. You would expect a good number of this years minors to make the step up too.
Derek McGrath hasn't taken on any other role that I know of, hopefully he can be convinced to stay on. He has improved a lot of the players that he has had under him in the past couple of years.
I think Ollie Hally was mentioned to keep hold of the u20 job. If he does I think he could try to get someone with a bit more experience at a high level with him. Cheddar would add to the u20 set up imo, he would bring a bit of professionalism and passion into the group and set them up for senior county hurling.

Otherwise and ideally I would like to see Cheddar get involved and help drive the setanta programme and possibly oversee the development squads. I think there is a role there for someone and Cheddar would be the ideal candidate for it. Until we get our house in order here its hard to see us making much tangible progress at adult level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on September 14, 2022, 01:28:27 PM
What clubs make up Na Fianna in the U20 hurling Cship?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 14, 2022, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Laois man on September 14, 2022, 01:28:27 PM
What clubs make up Na Fianna in the U20 hurling Cship?

The amalgamations are in the fixtures and Gradings email sent out to your club secretary
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on September 14, 2022, 02:59:42 PM
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Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 12, 2022, 09:27:15 AM
Interesting that there hasn't been any comment on the minor final. I couldn't go. I was raging as it's the first one I've missed in years. Did any of ye get to it? By all accounts it was a very good game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 12, 2022, 11:54:46 AM
Just a Question sorry if this is not the page to post this. How are all the camogie games in O Moore Park cash at the stiles as payment and the hurling and fball all tickets?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 12, 2022, 01:45:45 PM
Probably because the Camogie is still a different association?? Not sure. I think these all-ticket matches are a pain in the hole, myself.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 12, 2022, 02:37:33 PM
Agree. But I seeing cash being taking at a hurling game at the stiles a few weeks ago and it was a all ticket game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 12, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 12, 2022, 01:45:45 PM
Probably because the Camogie is still a different association?? Not sure. I think these all-ticket matches are a pain in the hole, myself.

I find myself going to far fewer games now than I used to, mainly because of this. And I'm only in my 50s! I think it must be affecting attendances.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 12, 2022, 03:16:03 PM
Yes, I agree - very much in the same boat as you! I might have casually decided to stroll up to a semi-final, but pre-buying tickets was just too much trouble!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 12, 2022, 03:43:31 PM
Been at games in Kilkenny

Card reader at 2  stiles
Cash taken at 1 stile

And the rest you sail through after you scan

I know in one county,Attendances are up a third with cash taken in around 20%

Handling cash is a pain in the ring in an amateur organisation
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 12, 2022, 04:09:40 PM
Of course if a card could be taken at the gate, then that would be perfect. Like Burdizzo, I prefer to make a last minute decision to attend a game depending on what else is going on. I don't think people should be expected to plan to the extent that they are asked to do at the moment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 12, 2022, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on October 12, 2022, 04:09:40 PM
Of course if a card could be taken at the gate, then that would be perfect. Like Burdizzo, I prefer to make a last minute decision to attend a game depending on what else is going on. I don't think people should be expected to plan to the extent that they are asked to do at the moment.

How hard is it to buy a ticket though

Once you set up an account which is less than 5 mins

It takes less than a minute to buy a ticket each time

I'm presuming it takes you longer to get there than that unless your living in the likes of Parkside

But they should be giving the option of paying by credit card,a lot of counties seem to be doing that

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 12, 2022, 06:18:18 PM
It's probably not very difficult but I prefer not to have accounts and passwords and usernames if I can avoid it at all.

Of course I will still go to the matches that hold a special interest for me but I won't bother the ones that hold a casual interest. It seems I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 12, 2022, 07:08:18 PM
Any updates on what laois people are on Wille mangerment team.?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 12, 2022, 07:38:14 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on October 12, 2022, 06:18:18 PM
It's probably not very difficult but I prefer not to have accounts and passwords and usernames if I can avoid it at all.

Of course I will still go to the matches that hold a special interest for me but I won't bother the ones that hold a casual interest. It seems I'm not the only one.

So your not on social media,message boards,don't use a credit card,don't have a bank account etc?

Fair play to you if you can live off the grid and don't give your data details to the likes of Zuckerberg

Your an example to us all
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 14, 2022, 11:43:45 AM
Wow! You are taking quite a few impressive leaps of logic there! I never said any of these things!

As a matter of fact, my point was precisely the opposite. I already have too many accounts, passwords, and online engagements and I've come to the conclusion that these should be limited to the extent possible.

You are, of course, welcome to remain a centrepiece of "the grid" and I certainly won't pour scorn on you for that. I just have a different way of looking at it and I think I'm entitled to that view.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 14, 2022, 07:20:18 PM
3 U15 hurling finals on tomorrow must be nearly the last finals of the year. Best of luck to all clubs involved. Harps and Ctown in the A final in O Moore at 12.30pm 2 good teams harps very strong underage.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on October 15, 2022, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: Laois man on October 14, 2022, 07:20:18 PM
3 U15 hurling finals on tomorrow must be nearly the last finals of the year. Best of luck to all clubs involved. Harps and Ctown in the A final in O Moore at 12.30pm 2 good teams harps very strong underage.

Thats some casltown team. Very strong all over.
Ballyfin and park/T won other games.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 15, 2022, 03:20:59 PM
Ctown had a great first half some fine hurlers on that team lost there way a bit in the second half but a few lads with injuries and there was some wind there. Park had a good win after Extra time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 15, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: Laois man on October 14, 2022, 07:20:18 PM
3 U15 hurling finals on tomorrow must be nearly the last finals of the year. Best of luck to all clubs involved. Harps and Ctown in the A final in O Moore at 12.30pm 2 good teams harps very strong underage.
In fairness to The Harps they get to a lot if underage finals, surely has to translate to the progression of their senior team in the coming years
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on October 15, 2022, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: Laois man on October 15, 2022, 03:20:59 PM
Ctown had a great first half some fine hurlers on that team lost there way a bit in the second half but a few lads with injuries and there was some wind there. Park had a good win after Extra time.

A lot fine footballers on that c/Town team too. Lost a semi-final joined with ballyfin last week. Injurys played a part.
I think a good few of those lads will be strong senior hurlers in a few years.

The harps should target been the next team to make a senior final outsider of the current big 4. Foundation's def there. Lots of hurlers coming through
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 15, 2022, 04:52:13 PM
This is going to come across a bit shitty, but...

It would have been a set back for Laois hurling had The Harps been relegated again instead of Ballinakill.

Too much talent there/coming through to be hurling anywhere but senior.

You'd have to wonder why it isn't translating.

Very close to breaking through in the late 1990s under John Bourke and not too far away under John Taylor in the mid 2010s. But when both teams fell short they fell away badly.

I do think it will take somebody from outside to eventually inspire a breakthrough.
I wonder would Tullaroan direction provide someone!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on October 15, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on October 15, 2022, 04:52:13 PM
This is going to come across a bit shitty, but...

It would have been a set back for Laois hurling had The Harps been relegated again instead of Ballinakill.

Too much talent there/coming through to be hurling anywhere but senior.

You'd have to wonder why it isn't translating.

Very close to breaking through in the late 1990s under John Bourke and not too far away under John Taylor in the mid 2010s. But when both teams fell short they fell away badly.

I do think it will take somebody from outside to eventually inspire a breakthrough.
I wonder would Tullaroan direction provide someone!
Fair point. I do know from a few lads out that way that they were crippled with emigration in the last 10 years. Prominent players like Kevin galvin, Sean bourke, 2 delahuntys, ciaran fitz, pakie flynn for example. They seem to lose a lot of players after underage whereas traditionally camross and now C/B are retaining all their underage talent and making them stronger.
But the likes of The Harps, Abbeyleix and Castletown have a great chance over the next few years to be contesting semi finals and finals. The likes of BK and RE are ageing teams with no way near the calibre of underage talent as the aforementioned 3 clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 15, 2022, 05:37:57 PM
The trick will be for one of those 3 to appear in semis & finals year after year.
A semi final here or there is good fortune/luck of the draw.

Semi finals every year is progress.

Teams don't come from nowhere to win finals.
The first step is being at the business end every year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on October 17, 2022, 04:06:41 PM
Had the Harps been relegated it would have been a set back to them but sometimes going down a level, especially with a young team can be beneficial. Gaining adult hurling championship experience and winning games would create a positively that can be carried into the following year. A team like the Harps could win a county premier intermediate title and give Leinster and possibly even an All-Ireland title a right rattle. I said this 12 months ago about Abbeyleix and it appears that there is a good buzz around the team this year with their young players really progressing they hopefully they will challenge for Leinster this year.  Would expect them to challenge one or two teams in senior championship next year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 17, 2022, 06:37:34 PM
You have a point.

But I disagree.

The Harps are not long up.
Going down the last time was a disastrous few years for them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 17, 2022, 07:34:43 PM
They harps had very powerful underage teams in the 80s aswell won all before them but when the got to u21 they fell away. Had a good minor team this year aswell but came up short in the final same sat in the U15 final where they came up again a very good Ctown team. A lot of underage talent in ctown the next few years should be bright for them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 18, 2022, 06:42:54 PM
I am hearing Eamon Jackman is gone in as a laois senior hurling selector good appointment. Wonder is there many new faces gone in for pre season training?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on October 21, 2022, 10:35:26 AM
Any word on whats happening with the minors and u20s for 2023?
I know some county minor teams are already back training and running trials. After last year its hugely important that we are at least competitive in the coming years. No word on whether Qualter and McGrath are staying on or not. Many months have rolled by since they were out of the championship. Personally i would love to see them stay on. Nothing was expected of that team at the outset of the year and it turned out to be one of the best years for our minor hurlers for a long long time. I think the management had a big part to play in developing those players and improving them.
No word on u20s either. They should have a strong enough panel with 7 or 8 starters available from this years team and add in the strong minors from this year too.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 21, 2022, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on October 21, 2022, 10:35:26 AM
Any word on whats happening with the minors and u20s for 2023?
I know some county minor teams are already back training and running trials. After last year its hugely important that we are at least competitive in the coming years. No word on whether Qualter and McGrath are staying on or not. Many months have rolled by since they were out of the championship. Personally i would love to see them stay on. Nothing was expected of that team at the outset of the year and it turned out to be one of the best years for our minor hurlers for a long long time. I think the management had a big part to play in developing those players and improving them.
No word on u20s either. They should have a strong enough panel with 7 or 8 starters available from this years team and add in the strong minors from this year too.

Trials currently ongoing for u14 football and hurling
Trials ongoing for 15's hurling at the minute with the football trials at this level due to take place within the next month

Minor Football and u20 Football up and running

Somebody better informed might be able to fill in the remaining pieces of the jigsaw

All other serious hurling counties are well up and running with their minor program for 2023
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 21, 2022, 12:39:45 PM
Trials for minor hurling in November, I believe.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on October 21, 2022, 12:59:12 PM
 Whos over them?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 21, 2022, 01:51:42 PM
Not decided yet, I'd imagine. Eddie Downey was over the u16 development squad this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 21, 2022, 02:06:32 PM
There has been gym sessions through schools, to be fair.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on October 21, 2022, 03:52:47 PM
Very late to not have u20 and minor management in place  if that is the case
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on October 21, 2022, 05:03:10 PM
I think Halley and damien Carter are confirmed aren't they.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on October 21, 2022, 05:07:46 PM
U20 and minor respectively?
Is Qualter not involved this year so?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 01, 2022, 01:42:53 PM
U20 hurling Sfinals this weekend. Aleix probably the stand out team in this grade but Camross come into the Sfinal with a good win over Cbolla so should push Aleix all the way. Harps v Rdowney in the other Sfinal harps should win this with all there underage talent this last number of years but you just never know with the harps. Best of luck to all teams in the A and B Sfinals.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 02, 2022, 03:12:47 PM
When is the U21 A Hurling Final fixed for?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 05, 2022, 04:23:10 PM
What a win for the camross u20 hurlers this afternoon. Mossy keyes is the real deal. They bulied a big strong physical abbeyleix team in their own patch. Fancy rathdowney Errill to win the other semi. The Harps down a good few apparently. 
Final down for next Saturday in the centre of excellence
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 05, 2022, 04:35:15 PM
Best team won on the day Aleix will be very disappointed 6 or 7 of these lads hurled in the senior B final this year. Should be a good final now who ever getting through the other Sfinal.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Home Boys Home on November 06, 2022, 11:19:47 AM
Yes, Camross best team on the day, even though penalty at the end was a bit questionable we can't really have any complaints. I wouldn't say Camross bullied Abbeyleix though, but teams concentrated on hurling and Camross players were better at the basic skills. Only 3 or 4 of Abbeyleix lads performed really. In their defence, with football on Wednesday it was a second game in 4 days on a heavy pitch for most of our lads and been between leinster intermediate and u20 football also going on they haven't really had a chance to get together. Also, the 3 group games together really stood to Camross, our lads just had the one match with Harps.

Anyway, Camross look a good bet for the final, they were probably disappointed how the minor went, so a good shot at redemption for them. Tom Cuddy is going to be some hurler. 

As to the future, Mossy is excellent and definitely one for Laois going forward. From last year's Laois U20 team, I think Fionán Mahony might make it too, along with James Duggan and Ian Shanahan. Philip Tynan, Cillian Dunne, Noah Quinlan and the lads still underage next year might be better off staying with u20s for another year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on November 07, 2022, 08:47:47 AM
I think its important that Willie Maher leaves the u20 panel alone to concentrate on doing well in that competition. I dont believe that any of them would be physically able for senior inter county hurling yet anyway. The u20 panel should be strong (although we said the same about this years team too who were just a fraction off and injuries really didn't help).
Id be bringing in Mossy Keyes, James Duggan, Fionan Mahony, Tadgh Cuddy, Ian Shanahan and Danny Brennan into the senior set up to see how they get on.
The u20s should have a strong panel with a few from this years team available P Tynan, P Brennan, L Obular, N Quinlan, C Dunne, C Comerford, C Murphy
Theres a couple of others that i think are under age and might be worth a look Brian Duggan, Ciaran McKelvey, Padraig Rafter
Throw in B Reilly, T Cuddy, C Flynn, B Murphy, J Quinlan, J Breen, B Deegan, J Pearson and K Byrne off the minors.
Could be missing a few here too
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 07, 2022, 09:53:10 AM
Aaron Phelan. Ctown. Conor Fitz Park timahoe Cathal Cuddy camross and a few more out there aswell.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 11, 2022, 04:21:51 PM
Who will win the U20 Hurling final tomorrow?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 11, 2022, 06:30:34 PM
Hard to know but Camross have to be favourites after beating Alex but if the Harps perform they can win it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on November 13, 2022, 11:28:35 AM
Anyone at the 20s final? Good win for The Harps. Can they push on at senior next year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 13, 2022, 12:24:09 PM
Best team won i think Camross apart from keyes had no scoring forwards harps got a lucky enough goal in the second half and finished strong to win it. A lot of the Harps team would be hurling senior already.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 13, 2022, 02:35:26 PM
Harps were the better team alright in a tight dogged affair. Camross were too reliant on mossy keyes and Dan delaney frees. Lot of young talent in The harps.  They need to make a statement at senior level next year.
Terrible week for Abbeyleix on the other hand. Strong favourites for that u20 championship and went out poorly yesterday. I hope they can still kick on next year. Hurling in Laois needs the likes of Abbeyleix and The Harps to be competing strong at senior level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 13, 2022, 07:55:31 PM
Shocking week for Alex I said last week after watching them again Camross that they won't win in wicklow with half team hurling yesterday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on November 13, 2022, 09:41:03 PM
Indiscipline has been an issue with laois teams for a long time. Our county team has suffered a lot from red cards in recent years. Indiscipline again put to bed ballacollas hopes of another leinster final appearance. Its a pity as they had a good chance of winning that game today with the carlow champions up next.
Its something that needs addressing with the senior county team too. The way the game is played now you literally have no chance of winning a game with 14 given that possession and keeping the ball is vital. Referees will not give you a second chance either any infringement is a yellow and then you are on thin ice. Anything off the ball even the smallest dig will see you on the line. They are the most frustrating ones. Always needless.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 14, 2022, 12:02:15 PM
The sending off yesterday certainly didn't help but the two quick goals were the real problem as Crokes always kept Ballcolla at arms lenght.

In saying that they did make a fight of it but it was a big ask.

Willie just has enough of the pulling and dragging he got all afternoon and the game was up at that stage.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 30, 2022, 10:24:38 AM
inability to recruit suitable coaches for the inter-county squads has been labelled 'one of the biggest problems in Laois GAA'.

So says secretary Niall Handy who made the comments in his report ahead of Convention.

Mr Handy made the statements during his report on the Minor footballers who struggled this year.

He explained how it was initially difficult to put a management team in place for this group – a problem that he says is all too prevalent.

He says that hundreds of 'suitably qualified' people have been approached to get involved with academy and inter-county panels.

But these people continually turn down the opportunity to come on board.

Mr Handy said: "It is one aspect of the "job" that really disappoints me, whereby on a weekend or maybe a Monday morning, after taking a "beating" at some grade of Inter County level, be it Minor, U-20 or Senior, you get the call or hear the jibes from the usual brigade.

"Whether it be the lads at the barstool counter, who seem to have an outstanding knowledge and expertise on football and hurling, to the usual press personnel, and of course the keyboard warriors, as to the faults and tribulations of our panel and management and Laois GAA in general.

Now while many would be nowhere near qualified to get involved as a mentor or any other potential role within a team,
the real disappointment is the hundreds of suitably qualified personnel that have been contacted to get involved in numerous different roles with our Inter County panels and academies in recent years, and offer the same disappointing excuse for not committing.

"If you were to ask me, what is one of the biggest problems in Laois GAA, I have no hesitation in stating that it is our inability to recruit suitable coaches / mentors for our Inter County panels."
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 30, 2022, 12:45:21 PM
It isn't very dignified of a county secretary to be making comments like that in his annual report.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 30, 2022, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 30, 2022, 12:45:21 PM
It isn't very dignified of a county secretary to be making comments like that in his annual report.

Maybe not but unfortunately what he says is true
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 30, 2022, 09:41:57 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 30, 2022, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 30, 2022, 12:45:21 PM
It isn't very dignified of a county secretary to be making comments like that in his annual report.

Maybe not but unfortunately what he says is true

Making the question should be asked

Why are well qualified people refusing to go in and help?

It seems a lot of those that do go in are very quickly disillusioned

Underage development squads particularly in hurling are in a very poor state in this couny and I can't see it getting any better anytime soon.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 01, 2022, 10:15:55 AM
Too easy to blame those who won't volunteer. A ridiculous statement coming from I'm assuming, one of the only well paid employees of Laois GAA. Not that I'm saying it's his fault either, because this issue could never be solved by apportioning blame.

My own opinion is that we are small time. The whole machine of Laois GAA is designed to keep costs down and balance the books. There's no room to employ more coaches, badly needed, or full time employees in the main offices. Also very badly needed. Marketing, admin, website etc. Therefore, if we think small, we are small, and there is no incentive for anyone to go in and volunteer because it's thankless and generally pointless.

We have massive skills shortages across all areas of Laois GAA that in my opinion need financial resourcing, not volunteerism. Where that comes from I have no idea, but that's my take on it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 01, 2022, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 01, 2022, 10:15:55 AM
Too easy to blame those who won't volunteer. A ridiculous statement coming from I'm assuming, one of the only well paid employees of Laois GAA. Not that I'm saying it's his fault either, because this issue could never be solved by apportioning blame.

My own opinion is that we are small time. The whole machine of Laois GAA is designed to keep costs down and balance the books. There's no room to employ more coaches, badly needed, or full time employees in the main offices. Also very badly needed. Marketing, admin, website etc. Therefore, if we think small, we are small, and there is no incentive for anyone to go in and volunteer because it's thankless and generally pointless.

We have massive skills shortages across all areas of Laois GAA that in my opinion need financial resourcing, not volunteerism. Where that comes from I have no idea, but that's my take on it.

Laois GAA has run a Surplus of over €881,000 the past 2 years.

Why isnt that money being spent prudently and in areas where there will be a return on investment ?

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2021/12/01/laois-gaa-report-surplus-of-over-e500000-in-latest-annual-accounts (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2021/12/01/laois-gaa-report-surplus-of-over-e500000-in-latest-annual-accounts)
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/11/23/laois-gaa-report-surplus-of-over-e370000-in-latest-annual-accounts (https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/11/23/laois-gaa-report-surplus-of-over-e370000-in-latest-annual-accounts)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on December 02, 2022, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 30, 2022, 09:41:57 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 30, 2022, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on November 30, 2022, 12:45:21 PM
It isn't very dignified of a county secretary to be making comments like that in his annual report.

Maybe not but unfortunately what he says is true

Making the question should be asked

Why are well qualified people refusing to go in and help?

It seems a lot of those that do go in are very quickly disillusioned

Underage development squads particularly in hurling are in a very poor state in this couny and I can't see it getting any better anytime soon.


A bit of personality and manners might help. We had great people involved and they were all basically ran out of it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on December 02, 2022, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 01, 2022, 10:15:55 AM
There's no room to employ more coaches, badly needed, or full time employees in the main offices. Also very badly needed. Marketing, admin, website etc.
As we seem to have a few quid in the bank, I wonder would it be worthwhile for Laois GAA to employ a full time PR and marketing person. Someone good at a job like that could pay for themselves. A part time PRO is almost unrealistic in this day and age.
We seem to struggle to hold on to our coaches. There seems to be a problem retaining the good ones. New coaching officer incoming so hopefully he may bring some new ideas to the job.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on December 02, 2022, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: SCFC on December 02, 2022, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 01, 2022, 10:15:55 AM
There's no room to employ more coaches, badly needed, or full time employees in the main offices. Also very badly needed. Marketing, admin, website etc.
As we seem to have a few quid in the bank, I wonder would it be worthwhile for Laois GAA to employ a full time PR and marketing person. Someone good at a job like that could pay for themselves. A part time PRO is almost unrealistic in this day and age.
We seem to struggle to hold on to our coaches. There seems to be a problem retaining the good ones. New coaching officer incoming so hopefully he may bring some new ideas to the job.


Who's the new Coaching Officer?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on December 02, 2022, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on December 02, 2022, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: SCFC on December 02, 2022, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 01, 2022, 10:15:55 AM
There's no room to employ more coaches, badly needed, or full time employees in the main offices. Also very badly needed. Marketing, admin, website etc.
As we seem to have a few quid in the bank, I wonder would it be worthwhile for Laois GAA to employ a full time PR and marketing person. Someone good at a job like that could pay for themselves. A part time PRO is almost unrealistic in this day and age.
We seem to struggle to hold on to our coaches. There seems to be a problem retaining the good ones. New coaching officer incoming so hopefully he may bring some new ideas to the job.


Who's the new Coaching Officer?

Alan Langton of Barrowhouse
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisred on December 02, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
I know of hurling coach, living in Co Laois. Has won club championships in his native county at Senior, u20, minor level. Has intercounty experience coaching at senior and u20 level. Wrote to county board a couple of years back saying he was willing to help out with a team but never got a reply.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 02, 2022, 10:14:54 PM
Quote from: Laoisred on December 02, 2022, 09:31:23 PM
I know of hurling coach, living in Co Laois. Has won club championships in his native county at Senior, u20, minor level. Has intercounty experience coaching at senior and u20 level. Wrote to county board a couple of years back saying he was willing to help out with a team but never got a reply.

Look at the numbers of Laois men every year coaching outside the county particularly in Kilkenny and ask why they aren't being retained or enticed to stay in Laois and work with development squads.

Kiely,Donohue,Cahill,Sheedy,Lyng all were involved at underage with their respective counties before they stepped into the big job, but this managerial pathway route seems to be ignored here.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: High Fielder on December 03, 2022, 09:23:16 AM
It's incredibly hard to make a name for yourself in Laois. If you have any ambition, it's a real gamble getting involved at any level, simply because all our teams seem to be in decline. Nobody will remember that you worked hard or tried your best. People want winners, and there aren't too many of those in these parts. We find ourselves, at all levels, taking gambles on the unproven, because that's the market we're in.

Who do we blame for the above? Niall Handy says the lack of volunteers. You could turn that on its head and say Laois GAA does not create the right conditions for participation. It's not worth getting involved in. Coaches can't progress. Players can't win anything. Volunteers don't have the time and feel it's pointless. Etc. Etc. The answer probably lies somewhere between the two. It's everybody's fault, including the GAA itself which has made it impossible for Laois and counties like us to compete. We're not the only county in this position. Many of our neighbours are struggling too. Offaly are throwing money at the situation and seem to be getting some results. We don't have the same luxury. We're also, like everyone, fighting the battle against other sports, and with the size of our population, that's a battle we could do without.

You could write a book on this subject. Niall Handy writes his report and we debate on here daily. We've all made up our own minds and all of us think we have a handle on the issue. We probably don't. It's a complex subject.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 03, 2022, 01:02:58 PM
Many new faces in with the senior hurlers I wonder? Wexford on the 8th of January in the walsh Cup I see.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on December 09, 2022, 02:13:50 PM
Quote from: SCFC on December 02, 2022, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on December 02, 2022, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: SCFC on December 02, 2022, 12:22:41 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on December 01, 2022, 10:15:55 AM
There's no room to employ more coaches, badly needed, or full time employees in the main offices. Also very badly needed. Marketing, admin, website etc.
As we seem to have a few quid in the bank, I wonder would it be worthwhile for Laois GAA to employ a full time PR and marketing person. Someone good at a job like that could pay for themselves. A part time PRO is almost unrealistic in this day and age.
We seem to struggle to hold on to our coaches. There seems to be a problem retaining the good ones. New coaching officer incoming so hopefully he may bring some new ideas to the job.


Who's the new Coaching Officer?

Alan Langton of Barrowhouse

What happened? Why did Langton not take up the role?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 11, 2022, 11:32:47 AM
Would it not be a good idea to have a laois schools hurling team manganed by our laois U20 mangerment team. Like we have Mtrath. Rdowney. Heywood. Plaois Mmellick and port with school hurling teams. I see offaly are doing it and building for the U20 Cship.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 11, 2022, 11:39:10 AM
Quote from: Laois man on December 11, 2022, 11:32:47 AM
Would it not be a good idea to have a laois schools hurling team manganed by our laois U20 mangerment team. Like we have Mtrath. Rdowney. Heywood. Plaois Mmellick and port with school hurling teams. I see offaly are doing it and building for the U20 Cship.

It would be a no brainer to enter a laois schools team in the Leinster A senior schools championship,but there's neither the will or appetite or probably manpower to do it

Schools hurling is rapidly becoming a wasteland in the town of Portlaoise which is a worry not just for the club but also the county.

We will look back fondly on this years Minor Team and their journey to a Leinster final,because given the shambolic setup of the development squads at the younger age grades

It will be a while before we see it again.

Offaly have gotten their act together on so many areas in both codes
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 11, 2022, 12:18:54 PM
Agree. Offaly doing a lot of work underage I was at a schools game a few weeks ago and the full offaly U20 mangerment team were there watching the offaly school team. Our county board would need to up the ain't in the underage sector.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on December 12, 2022, 09:07:21 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on December 11, 2022, 11:39:10 AM
Quote from: Laois man on December 11, 2022, 11:32:47 AM
Would it not be a good idea to have a laois schools hurling team manganed by our laois U20 mangerment team. Like we have Mtrath. Rdowney. Heywood. Plaois Mmellick and port with school hurling teams. I see offaly are doing it and building for the U20 Cship.

It would be a no brainer to enter a laois schools team in the Leinster A senior schools championship,but there's neither the will or appetite or probably manpower to do it

Schools hurling is rapidly becoming a wasteland in the town of Portlaoise which is a worry not just for the club but also the county.

We will look back fondly on this years Minor Team and their journey to a Leinster final,because given the shambolic setup of the development squads at the younger age grades

It will be a while before we see it again.

Offaly have gotten their act together on so many areas in both codes


Do we not have a combined schools team. We definitely had one a few years ago. Why was it stopped?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 14, 2022, 03:09:16 PM
Our Coaching & Games department currently not good or active enough with initiatives,
Offaly again today recruiting brilliantly appointing Damien Coleman as Operations manager, the man behind all of Galway's underage success.

Yes they are pumping money in, but it's being done wisely and theirs a buzz around them, we have plenty of money too,

Talk of the renewed Setanta programme is only piece meal, academy squads have no buzz or direction about them, the overall organisation of the squads is so poor compared even just to Offaly never mind the bigger counties
Simple ideas like the combined schools, more club workshops, academy squad gear, more games, more promotion on social media
Offaly's initiatives around development squads, faithful fields, coaching initiatives are much more active than ours, and getting much more buy on from coaches, players, parents & clubs

Similar on the likes of Wexford, cork, Meath, Kilkenny

What is the actual role of the county board coaching officer when we have a games manager ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 14, 2022, 03:27:36 PM
Quote from: Ogie on December 14, 2022, 03:09:16 PM
Our Coaching & Games department currently not good or active enough with initiatives,
Offaly again today recruiting brilliantly appointing Damien Coleman as Operations manager, the man behind all of Galway's underage success.

Yes they are pumping money in, but it's being done wisely and theirs a buzz around them, we have plenty of money too,

Talk of the renewed Setanta programme is only piece meal, academy squads have no buzz or direction about them, the overall organisation of the squads is so poor compared even just to Offaly never mind the bigger counties
Simple ideas like the combined schools, more club workshops, academy squad gear, more games, more promotion on social media
Offaly's initiatives around development squads, faithful fields, coaching initiatives are much more active than ours, and getting much more buy on from coaches, players, parents & clubs

Similar on the likes of Wexford, cork, Meath, Kilkenny

What is the actual role of the county board coaching officer when we have a games manager ?

Offaly are running rings around us in all departments at the minute.

I see that they have 6/7 women at the County Board top table in area such as coaching officer, asst treasurer and Central Council reps

We can even get men to come in and fill 3 critical positions here

If we can't compete with Offaly with a smaller population than us and a similar split between the 2 codes what hope do we have with the Galways Corks and Limericks?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 15, 2022, 01:22:54 PM
Offaly have a few things we don't:

1. A visionary with real power: Michael Duignan.
2. Serious financial backing, including from Shane Lowry
3. Strong group of volunteers that are willing to work. We complain about lack of a strong board but nobody wants to do it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on December 15, 2022, 02:10:39 PM
lads just wanta give out and not work. fair pay to dignan, he went and did it and brought lads with hin
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 15, 2022, 02:25:22 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on December 15, 2022, 01:22:54 PM
Offaly have a few things we don't:

1. A visionary with real power: Michael Duignan.
2. Serious financial backing, including from Shane Lowry
3. Strong group of volunteers that are willing to work. We complain about lack of a strong board but nobody wants to do it.

4.Tradition and culture ,granted it's a while since they won a senior All Ireland but they have a core group of lads involved with development  squads who know what it takes,be it with Offaly but also with the likes of Birr and to a lesser extent Coolderry and Kilcormac.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on December 15, 2022, 03:11:49 PM
Quote from: Ogie on December 14, 2022, 03:09:16 PM
Our Coaching & Games department currently not good or active enough with initiatives,
Offaly again today recruiting brilliantly appointing Damien Coleman as Operations manager, the man behind all of Galway's underage success.

Yes they are pumping money in, but it's being done wisely and theirs a buzz around them, we have plenty of money too,

Talk of the renewed Setanta programme is only piece meal, academy squads have no buzz or direction about them, the overall organisation of the squads is so poor compared even just to Offaly never mind the bigger counties
Simple ideas like the combined schools, more club workshops, academy squad gear, more games, more promotion on social media
Offaly's initiatives around development squads, faithful fields, coaching initiatives are much more active than ours, and getting much more buy on from coaches, players, parents & clubs

Similar on the likes of Wexford, cork, Meath, Kilkenny

What is the actual role of the county board coaching officer when we have a games manager ?

On your last point about the County Coaching officer, what is the actual role of the County games manager? Setanta programme was drove by a volunteer during the summer. The Squads are a shambles, is that the Coaching office or games manager?
Coaching workshops, is that Games manager or GDA's?
From what i can see we have very little leadership coming from our games manager who is meant to be leading our GDA's. Maybe others have more interaction with our Coaching and Games department but from what I can see it's non existent.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on December 20, 2022, 05:20:08 PM
I saw Rosenallis congratulating lads on making the minor hurling panel on Social Media. Has it been released? Do any of ye have it? Thanks
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 20, 2022, 06:01:45 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on December 20, 2022, 05:20:08 PM
I saw Rosenallis congratulating lads on making the minor hurling panel on Social Media. Has it been released? Do any of ye have it? Thanks

Panel was finalised over the weekend

34 on it

Don't know if it's been made public yet

A Job for the PRO

Oh wait
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 17, 2023, 09:28:31 AM
LAOIS MINOR HURLING PANEL 2023

Eoghan Murphy (The Harps)
Justin Duggan (The Harps)
Mark Downey (The Harps)
Donal Deegan (The Harps)
Cormac Dunne (The Harps)
Ethan Lafferty (The Harps)
Lochlan Curran (The Harps)
Raymond Goode (Castletown)
Ryan Peters (Castletown)
Kyron Cuddy (Castletown)
Killian Breen (Castletown)
Eli Quinn (Abbeyleix)
Cormac Byrne (Abbeyleix)
Riain Mahony (Abbeyleix)
Caelum O'Brien (Mountrath)
Cian Hill (Mountrath)
Ruaidhri Kavanagh (Mountrath)
Rick Bannon (Camross)
Conor Mortimer (Camross)
Evan Cassin (Clough-Ballacolla)
Colm Brennan (Clough-Ballacolla)
Lorcan Dunne (Rathdowney-Errill)
Eoin Bracken (Rathdowney-Errill)
Rio Lacumber (Portlaoise)
David Brown (Portlaoise)
Patrick O'Callaghan (Clonad)
Liam Whelan (Clonad)
Jordan Downey (Portarlington)
Conor Maher (Portarlington)
Sam Somers (Rosenallis)
Oran Gorman (Rosenallis)
Jimmy Norton (Park-Ratheniska-Timahoe)
Charlie Hand (Emo)
Shane Connolly (Ballyfin)
Ben O'Mara (Ballinakill)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on January 17, 2023, 02:11:17 PM
Good to see Portarlington and Emo players involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 17, 2023, 03:25:25 PM
Nobody from. borris/kilcotton?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 17, 2023, 06:09:22 PM
The Harps won the u15 A championship in 2021 beating Mountrath well that particular day which might partly explain the harps numbers on the squad,now that most of them are up to the age at u17 in 23

The Harps bet PRT and Mountrath bet Raheen parish Gaels in the u15 A semifinals that year

To the best of my knowledge Borris Kilcotton weren't in the A at u15 that year
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on January 17, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
No, RPG won the shield final beating Rathdowney. Mountrath beat Abbeyleix in the semi-final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 17, 2023, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 17, 2023, 06:53:58 PM
No, RPG won the shield final beating Rathdowney. Mountrath beat Abbeyleix in the semi-final.

Fair play Bur

Your right

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 23, 2023, 03:02:49 PM
Just looking at some of the PP schools results from last week and Mountrath CS were beaten by 13 points by Naas CBS in B quarter final. Hurling in Naas is powering on.
Heywood unlucky to be beaten by a point after extra time by Castlecomer CS.

Offaly schools hurling in the A quarter final.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 23, 2023, 06:27:19 PM
Offaly team is made up of 95%of last year's minor team that were beating in the All Ireland. Plus its a combination team with 3 or 4 schools involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 23, 2023, 10:37:59 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 23, 2023, 03:02:49 PM
Just looking at some of the PP schools results from last week and Mountrath CS were beaten by 13 points by Naas CBS in B quarter final. Hurling in Naas is powering on.
Heywood unlucky to be beaten by a point after extra time by Castlecomer CS.

Offaly schools hurling in the A quarter final.

Nothing to stop a Laois schools team from playing in the A either

While individual schools could play in the B and C etc

If the will or interest was there
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 24, 2023, 09:05:58 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on January 23, 2023, 10:37:59 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on January 23, 2023, 03:02:49 PM
Just looking at some of the PP schools results from last week and Mountrath CS were beaten by 13 points by Naas CBS in B quarter final. Hurling in Naas is powering on.
Heywood unlucky to be beaten by a point after extra time by Castlecomer CS.

Offaly schools hurling in the A quarter final.

Nothing to stop a Laois schools team from playing in the A either

While individual schools could play in the B and C etc

If the will or interest was there

Did we not have combined schools teams in A before? Why were they stopped?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on January 24, 2023, 10:07:18 PM
Games Development

As previously stated the role of the coaching and games dept in Laois GAA doesnt appear to be doing a whole pile. You just have to look at Offaly and work going on there is huge in comparison to us. The have an agenda and they are going after that agenda with an ambitious plan to achieve as much as they can in terms of developing their games in order to put them in a position to win hurling and football titles in years to come. It will take time but they certainly are working hard especially since Michael Duignan took the reins there. He got good motivated like minded people around him and started driving all aspects of Offaly GAA forward.

I think there probably is some good work going on in Laois but we dont actually see it. The main reason being we currently dont have a County PRO. We have been lacking in that dept also for the past few years. We actually know very little of whats going on in Laois GAA circles and only for Laois today we wouldnt know anything. There wasnt one update from the walsh cup game on Sunday last on any Laois GAA social media outlets. We know every ball thats struck in Offaly, every initiative thats going on. Fair play to them they have their house in order.

Our games development manager and games promotion officers?

I dont like being too critical but I am quite involved in my own club and i dont see them. I have no idea what any of them actually do. Maybe they are flat out busy and doing great work but i dont see it and dont know where its happening. Leinster GAA have rolled out full time GPOs for clubs to bring on. This is a very positive step and i have no doubt their work will pay off in time to come. But this was brought about by Leinster GAA not Laois GAA, it fell on our lap.

The county development squads and setanta programme

The setanta programme is hugely important. This again is not coming from the county board or games development office as such. It was brought back in by Brendan Phelan (a club member) and Mattie Collier (Hurling board). To be fair i think it went fairly well last year for u10 kids. There was great buy in from kids and parents with over 120 completing the programme last summer. Again it shows the interest and desire for hurling in the county is there but we need leadership from the county board and an ambitious plan to drive things on. The setanta now needs to be upped for all age groups from u10 to u13. I believe that the setanta can be developed into something very special for kids if its supported and properly structured.

The development squads are now being supported by Laois Gaels. Again Laois Gaels are not directly working under the county board and were brought about by another club member Bryan Breen (and others). Fair play to Laois Gaels and hopefully they can be a long term success. After last years minor team success its imperative that a few competitive teams are brought along behind them. The development squads are hugely important. Last year some of the squads were a shambles which has been highlighted here before. Who is responsible for that? I know Niall Handy has a cut at ppl for not getting involved. I think ppl in Laois just think theres no point and that we will never get anywhere. If ppl had an impressive set up to come into I do believe that the will in Laois is there, the interest in hurling in Laois is there, the desire to achieve is there. People want to see a plan, they want to see a future, they want to see something worth working for and then they will come on board and row in.

Minors 2023

After a great year in 2022, what can we expect in 2023? The guts of 18,000 ppl in portlaoise for a Leinster final again highlights the appetite. The whole minor set up for the past couple of years was very impressive. Having someone like Derek McGrath there was invaluable to the players. This team and management was supported by an external source outside of county board. Would that external figure along with a few more external people with a love for laois hurling be brought together to try and help bring success to the county in future years? I hope the minors do well again this year but there seems to be a considerable drop off in terms of management personnel from last year to this year. Regardless I wish the team and management all the best, it will obviously be a hard act to follow.

Portlaoise

There should be two strong hurling clubs in Portlaoise. Currently there isnt one strong hurling club. Was it not part of a plan to create a new club in Portlaoise, what ever happened to that? They have a GPO in there now and while it will take time i think they can turn it around. Again the county board need to have a look at whats going on there, whether its creating a new club or getting kids out to clonad and PRT. There needs to be a long term plan for GAA participation in Portlaoise town. The numbers are huge, One club is not enough.

Schools

Literally no hurling in secondary schools in Portlaoise. Our biggest town by far, a hurling area...how are we ever supposed to improve? Could a combined Portlaoise schools hurling team be entered for starters and try to develop that. Maybe have an East and West Laois schools hurling team entered into the Leinster Schools B competition. The other option that we have tried before in a all of Laois combined schools team. I could be wrong but i think the combined Offaly schools team is only made up of 3 schools. I dont think Birr, Colaiste Cholim Tullamore or Kilcormac are part of that as they are involved in the Leinster Schools B which makes it even more impressive.

Maybe im wrong

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 25, 2023, 12:02:43 AM
Kilcormac have about 8 lads on the combined schools team birr are involved aswell Tullamore ain't. Also there mangerment team is the offaly U20 manager and selectors as all these lads will be offaly U20 players for there cship. Forward thinking by offaly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 25, 2023, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on January 24, 2023, 10:07:18 PM
Games Development

As previously stated the role of the coaching and games dept in Laois GAA doesnt appear to be doing a whole pile. You just have to look at Offaly and work going on there is huge in comparison to us. The have an agenda and they are going after that agenda with an ambitious plan to achieve as much as they can in terms of developing their games in order to put them in a position to win hurling and football titles in years to come. It will take time but they certainly are working hard especially since Michael Duignan took the reins there. He got good motivated like minded people around him and started driving all aspects of Offaly GAA forward.

I think there probably is some good work going on in Laois but we dont actually see it. The main reason being we currently dont have a County PRO. We have been lacking in that dept also for the past few years. We actually know very little of whats going on in Laois GAA circles and only for Laois today we wouldnt know anything. There wasnt one update from the walsh cup game on Sunday last on any Laois GAA social media outlets. We know every ball thats struck in Offaly, every initiative thats going on. Fair play to them they have their house in order.

Our games development manager and games promotion officers?

I dont like being too critical but I am quite involved in my own club and i dont see them. I have no idea what any of them actually do. Maybe they are flat out busy and doing great work but i dont see it and dont know where its happening. Leinster GAA have rolled out full time GPOs for clubs to bring on. This is a very positive step and i have no doubt their work will pay off in time to come. But this was brought about by Leinster GAA not Laois GAA, it fell on our lap.

The county development squads and setanta programme

The setanta programme is hugely important. This again is not coming from the county board or games development office as such. It was brought back in by Brendan Phelan (a club member) and Mattie Collier (Hurling board). To be fair i think it went fairly well last year for u10 kids. There was great buy in from kids and parents with over 120 completing the programme last summer. Again it shows the interest and desire for hurling in the county is there but we need leadership from the county board and an ambitious plan to drive things on. The setanta now needs to be upped for all age groups from u10 to u13. I believe that the setanta can be developed into something very special for kids if its supported and properly structured.

The development squads are now being supported by Laois Gaels. Again Laois Gaels are not directly working under the county board and were brought about by another club member Bryan Breen (and others). Fair play to Laois Gaels and hopefully they can be a long term success. After last years minor team success its imperative that a few competitive teams are brought along behind them. The development squads are hugely important. Last year some of the squads were a shambles which has been highlighted here before. Who is responsible for that? I know Niall Handy has a cut at ppl for not getting involved. I think ppl in Laois just think theres no point and that we will never get anywhere. If ppl had an impressive set up to come into I do believe that the will in Laois is there, the interest in hurling in Laois is there, the desire to achieve is there. People want to see a plan, they want to see a future, they want to see something worth working for and then they will come on board and row in.

Minors 2023

After a great year in 2022, what can we expect in 2023? The guts of 18,000 ppl in portlaoise for a Leinster final again highlights the appetite. The whole minor set up for the past couple of years was very impressive. Having someone like Derek McGrath there was invaluable to the players. This team and management was supported by an external source outside of county board. Would that external figure along with a few more external people with a love for laois hurling be brought together to try and help bring success to the county in future years? I hope the minors do well again this year but there seems to be a considerable drop off in terms of management personnel from last year to this year. Regardless I wish the team and management all the best, it will obviously be a hard act to follow.

Portlaoise

There should be two strong hurling clubs in Portlaoise. Currently there isnt one strong hurling club. Was it not part of a plan to create a new club in Portlaoise, what ever happened to that? They have a GPO in there now and while it will take time i think they can turn it around. Again the county board need to have a look at whats going on there, whether its creating a new club or getting kids out to clonad and PRT. There needs to be a long term plan for GAA participation in Portlaoise town. The numbers are huge, One club is not enough.

Schools

Literally no hurling in secondary schools in Portlaoise. Our biggest town by far, a hurling area...how are we ever supposed to improve? Could a combined Portlaoise schools hurling team be entered for starters and try to develop that. Maybe have an East and West Laois schools hurling team entered into the Leinster Schools B competition. The other option that we have tried before in a all of Laois combined schools team. I could be wrong but i think the combined Offaly schools team is only made up of 3 schools. I dont think Birr, Colaiste Cholim Tullamore or Kilcormac are part of that as they are involved in the Leinster Schools B which makes it even more impressive.

Maybe im wrong

Thoughts?

Excellent Post and nail on the head with everything you said

Kilcormac and Birr lads are hurling Leinster B with their schools and A on the combined Offaly schools,I don't think Colaiste Colm in Tullamore have their lads on the Offaly schools side

But imagine the amount of hurling those lads are getting

I spoke to one father recently who has a son in the cbs in portlaoise

They played 2 hurling games and had 2 hurling training sessions that academic year

Why even bother entering teams if that's the set up,so unfair on the young lads.

Agree with everything you said

It's the adults of Laois letting down the kids of Laois and in both codes
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 25, 2023, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: Laois man on January 25, 2023, 12:02:43 AM
Kilcormac have about 8 lads on the combined schools team birr are involved aswell Tullamore ain't. Also there mangerment team is the offaly U20 manager and selectors as all these lads will be offaly U20 players for there cship. Forward thinking by offaly.

You see that in most county's,

Joined up thinking

Padraic Maher Thurles CBS coach,Thurles Sars manager,Tipperary Senior Selector
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on January 25, 2023, 11:28:54 AM
You don't see that in Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 25, 2023, 12:47:35 PM
No problem filling Leinster Council or Centra Council Positions

But the fact that We can't get anyone to fill arguably the most important position in the county board says it all


Laois GAA Coaching Officer remains vacant
Laois GAA continue to be on the lookout for a Coaching Officer to fill the vacancy following the end of Fergal Byron's five-year term.

The role is a key position on the Laois GAA executive, one that works closely alongside Laois GAA's full-time Games Manager Mike Henchy.

Barrowhouse's Alan Langton was the only nominee for last December's county convention but his withdrawal meant that the position wasn't filled and it carried over to the January county board meeting which had to assume the status of a special convention to fill that role as well as that of PRO.

Former Laois minor football manager, Donncha Phelan from Ballyfin, had been nominated but also withdrew ahead of the meeting last week.

"This is extremely disappointing to find that we have not the personnel interested in our county to promote and work for our county in one of the most important positions on the Laois GAA management team," wrote county board secretary Niall Handy in an email to the clubs this week.

"As a result our February County Committee meeting on Monday, February 27, will now assume the status of Special Convention ... in another effort to elect a Coaching Officer
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on January 25, 2023, 01:25:17 PM
People like Pat Critchley, Tadhg Doran, Enda Murphy, Elaine Mahony, Lorcan Mahoney, David O'Brien, Mark Peters, Patrick Mullaney, Gary Moore would all do this role well and that's just from the hurling side. I presume all these have been asked.......... at least I hope they have.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 25, 2023, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on January 25, 2023, 01:25:17 PM
People like Pat Critchley, Tadhg Doran, Enda Murphy, Elaine Mahony, Lorcan Mahoney, David O'Brien, Mark Peters, Patrick Mullaney, Gary Moore would all do this role well and that's just from the hurling side. I presume all these have been asked.......... at least I hope they have.


Excellent People every last one of them
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on January 26, 2023, 02:22:28 PM
Perhaps establish a proper coaching committee or even better two coaching committees, one for hurling and one for football. Commit a serious portion of our surplus money from the last couple of years to these committees and with the right people there you will see results. People are more inclined to get involved when they know others-and especially good people- will be involved too. It is too much to ask one person to spearhead a role like this, especially with our county spread across hurling and football. I wouldn't blame anyone for passing over this position on the county board in its current guise. All you will get is grief, apathy and eventual disillusionment. Why would you put yourself through that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on January 26, 2023, 04:33:31 PM
Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the role of the coaching officer?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 26, 2023, 05:25:06 PM
Good win for St Fergals today
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on January 26, 2023, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on January 26, 2023, 04:33:31 PM
Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the role of the coaching officer?



The  Coaching Officer will encourage all club coaches to attend appropriate courses, workshops and seminars and receive coaching qualifications. The  Coaching Officer will also oversee the recruitment, appointment and development of coaches within the county , e.g. by sourcing mentors.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on January 26, 2023, 06:33:50 PM
Thanks a million.

It does sound like it's a job for a person who can motivate people to get involved and to upskill. Not an easy job in fairness.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 26, 2023, 09:06:05 PM
What is needed is what Duignan did in Offaly

Bring 6-8 liked minded people with him and have ready made Cabinet if you will

I see Castlecomer took a bit of a beating off Birr today in the Senior Schools B Semi Final After Comer beating Heywood by a Point AET in the Quarter Final,

they play the winners of Naas V Kilcormac in the Leinster B Final

while the Offaly Schools team are in the A semifinal this weekend
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on February 01, 2023, 05:14:49 PM
Rumours circulating from our Football & Hurling Academy Squads that our Coaching and Games office / staff in disarray with a number of pending departures

Awful Pity to see & damaging for our County, with Offaly and all around us making great strides forwards, backwards at a rate of knots we are going.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 02, 2023, 09:51:44 AM
Nothing like some good news to start the Laois Gaa day!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 02, 2023, 10:34:52 AM
Laois played Westmeath in a minor trial last weekend,won well

Laois played an u20 selection from Tipperary,got a bit of a hiding

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on February 02, 2023, 11:27:06 AM
Minors havent played anyone yet. Might have been u16. First minor practise match is Saturday v Wicklow.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on February 02, 2023, 11:28:37 AM
Apologies ........this is a hurling stream. Mixed up my codes
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 02, 2023, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: Jd on February 02, 2023, 11:27:06 AM
Minors havent played anyone yet. Might have been u16. First minor practise match is Saturday v Wicklow.

Minor Hurlers have also played and beaten Carlow in the past 10 days
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on February 03, 2023, 07:25:56 AM
Quote from: Ogie on February 01, 2023, 05:14:49 PM
Rumours circulating from our Football & Hurling Academy Squads that our Coaching and Games office / staff in disarray with a number of pending departures

Awful Pity to see & damaging for our County, with Offaly and all around us making great strides forwards, backwards at a rate of knots we are going.

How true is this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 03, 2023, 08:11:17 AM
Quote from: Batman!!! on February 03, 2023, 07:25:56 AM
Quote from: Ogie on February 01, 2023, 05:14:49 PM
Rumours circulating from our Football & Hurling Academy Squads that our Coaching and Games office / staff in disarray with a number of pending departures

Awful Pity to see & damaging for our County, with Offaly and all around us making great strides forwards, backwards at a rate of knots we are going.

How true is this?

Very true
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 03, 2023, 11:19:37 AM
I emailed Conor Shannon yesterday and it bounced straight back to say he had finished his role with Laois GAA on January 27th.

So he's gone anyway whatever about the rest of them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 04, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 03, 2023, 11:19:37 AM
I emailed Conor Shannon yesterday and it bounced straight back to say he had finished his role with Laois GAA on January 27th.

So he's gone anyway whatever about the rest of them.

Conor Gone

1 more about to finish up

and another also on the way out

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 04, 2023, 12:57:02 PM
Whatsthe story here lads why are they leaving?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on February 04, 2023, 03:09:14 PM
Games Manager with notice given in

Jason Coffey gone, taking up a new role
Conor Shannon gone, taking up a new role

Dispute with the County board and new head of S&C I believe,

We are left with one County GDA ( Football)

No new club GDA's being rolled out this year

A disaster , instead of getting better or trying to improve things we've hit the self destruct button,
I've said it before here, look across the border at what Offaly are doing with their coaching and games department, another huge victory for them today with the Offaly School Team project,

While our academy squads being run by lads that can't get a job in their clubs with no interest, oversight , planning or forward thinking from County Board and little from the coaching office.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 04, 2023, 03:39:12 PM
6 or 7 offaly schools together beat one Kkenny school by 2 points.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on February 04, 2023, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: Laois man on February 04, 2023, 03:39:12 PM
6 or 7 offaly schools together beat one Kkenny school by 2 points.

What an attitude! Kierans normally have the pick of a huge number of KK clubs. Those offaly players have just had the experience of beating a high quality Kk team in their own back yard. No amount of training can top that. I suppose the lads in Laois schools were better served today sitting at home watching Ireland vs Wales?! :o
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on February 04, 2023, 09:21:15 PM
Schools hurling is for schools team not for County teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 04, 2023, 09:57:29 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on February 04, 2023, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: Laois man on February 04, 2023, 03:39:12 PM
6 or 7 offaly schools together beat one Kkenny school by 2 points.

What an attitude! Kierans normally have the pick of a huge number of KK clubs. Those offaly players have just had the experience of beating a high quality Kk team in their own back yard. No amount of training can top that. I suppose the lads in Laois schools were better served today sitting at home watching Ireland vs Wales?! :o

Spot on

2 Laois Schools made a B Senior Schools Quarter Final this Year and no further

Thats where Laois schools Hurling is at

God Forbid anyone try and raise standards

Offaly had 3 schools in B Quarter Finals

2 in the semi finals

and if Kilcormac beat Naas next Weds night

An all Offaly B Schools Final

to go with A schools Title
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 04, 2023, 10:00:49 PM
Quote from: Laois man on February 04, 2023, 09:21:15 PM
Schools hurling is for schools team not for County teams.

Offaly also loaded up and brought 93 lads from their development squads today to that final, more joined up thinking

Kierans most years is a county team or as near as makes no difference

after tonights absolute shambles v Tipperary and whats going on with games development and GDA's currently

Im open to all and everything that shifts the dial even a little in this county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 05, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
I couldn't agree more with the last 2 posts. Off the back of their best minor team in 20 years the Offaly county board had the vision to try and develop that group of players standard even more. playing at the very top level gives those players the confidence to go and try and develop at senior inter county level.
Where is that vision in this county. Secondary school hurling is absolutely VITAL in any player/club/county's development.
if you break down the standard of hurling in our secondary schools it makes for horrific reading
(All levels and open to correction)

All Portlaoise schools, C level. Primary concern - Football and soccer
Portarlington, No competitive hurling that aware of. Primary concern - Football and rugby
Mountmellick, No competitive hurling that aware of. Primary concern - football
Clonaslee, C level. Make the best of small numbers available.
Heywood, Poor B level efforts. Primary concern - Football and Basketball
Rathdowney, C Level. Doing a great job with numbers available.
Mountrath, B level. The standard bearers for 2nd level hurling in this county.

The only slight sliver lining is The Harps lads going to Johnstown. Many have Leinster B medals over the last number of years. Playing in the A junior and Senior Championships this year.

There's no easy fix obviously but if the county board were serious about hurling they would employ GDAS and pay them well.
Address the player pathways. Primary/secondary/third level in tandem with the development squads.
A GDA specifically assigned to primary and secondary schools development. One goal being the development of a Laois Schools team in A grade at 14, 16 and 18s for league and championship.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 05, 2023, 05:13:45 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 05, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
I couldn't agree more with the last 2 posts. Off the back of their best minor team in 20 years the Offaly county board had the vision to try and develop that group of players standard even more. playing at the very top level gives those players the confidence to go and try and develop at senior inter county level.
Where is that vision in this county. Secondary school hurling is absolutely VITAL in any player/club/county's development.
if you break down the standard of hurling in our secondary schools it makes for horrific reading
(All levels and open to correction)

All Portlaoise schools, C level. Primary concern - Football and soccer
Portarlington, No competitive hurling that aware of. Primary concern - Football and rugby
Mountmellick, No competitive hurling that aware of. Primary concern - football
Clonaslee, C level. Make the best of small numbers available.
Heywood, Poor B level efforts. Primary concern - Football and Basketball
Rathdowney, C Level. Doing a great job with numbers available.
Mountrath, B level. The standard bearers for 2nd level hurling in this county.

The only slight sliver lining is The Harps lads going to Johnstown. Many have Leinster B medals over the last number of years. Playing in the A junior and Senior Championships this year.

There's no easy fix obviously but if the county board were serious about hurling they would employ GDAS and pay them well.
Address the player pathways. Primary/secondary/third level in tandem with the development squads.
A GDA specifically assigned to primary and secondary schools development. One goal being the development of a Laois Schools team in A grade at 14, 16 and 18s for league and championship.

We had a Laois Combined Colleges team at Juvenile age group hurling in A and it was gotten rid of.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 05, 2023, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 05, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
I couldn't agree more with the last 2 posts. Off the back of their best minor team in 20 years the Offaly county board had the vision to try and develop that group of players standard even more. playing at the very top level gives those players the confidence to go and try and develop at senior inter county level.
Where is that vision in this county. Secondary school hurling is absolutely VITAL in any player/club/county's development.
if you break down the standard of hurling in our secondary schools it makes for horrific reading
(All levels and open to correction)

All Portlaoise schools, C level. Primary concern - Football and soccer
Portarlington, No competitive hurling that aware of. Primary concern - Football and rugby
Mountmellick, No competitive hurling that aware of. Primary concern - football
Clonaslee, C level. Make the best of small numbers available.
Heywood, Poor B level efforts. Primary concern - Football and Basketball
Rathdowney, C Level. Doing a great job with numbers available.
Mountrath, B level. The standard bearers for 2nd level hurling in this county.

The only slight sliver lining is The Harps lads going to Johnstown. Many have Leinster B medals over the last number of years. Playing in the A junior and Senior Championships this year.

There's no easy fix obviously but if the county board were serious about hurling they would employ GDAS and pay them well.
Address the player pathways. Primary/secondary/third level in tandem with the development squads.
A GDA specifically assigned to primary and secondary schools development. One goal being the development of a Laois Schools team in A grade at 14, 16 and 18s for league and championship.

Schools Football isn't in much better of a state
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on February 05, 2023, 06:36:29 PM
The combined schools team would be a good idea but its really only one cog in a wheel that has fallen off the wagon. Before we even talk about secondary schools we need to get the club structures in place with full time GPOs. We need to develop and grow the setanta programme into something special for kids. We need to get hurling going properly in every primary school in laois. The development squads need major focus and attention and then the secondary schools too.
We actually need to start with 5 and 6 year olds and put in the work for 15 years time.
I'm sick and tired of hearing laois senior managers over the past 20 years talking about taking 'the learnings' from heavy defeats and trying to work on them. The same shite for years we are hearing. Bringing Dan Shanahan and the likes of Shane O Sullivan (performance coach) from waterford and paying them. Performance coach...for that last night, give me a break.
Its time for leadership in this county. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop making the same mistakes over and over. We need to start from scratch and we need to do it now!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on February 06, 2023, 01:14:09 AM
But lads, the footballlers have won two games in a row all is ok and rosey in the world!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tier2 on February 06, 2023, 08:57:50 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on February 05, 2023, 06:36:29 PM
The combined schools team would be a good idea but its really only one cog in a wheel that has fallen off the wagon. Before we even talk about secondary schools we need to get the club structures in place with full time GPOs. We need to develop and grow the setanta programme into something special for kids. We need to get hurling going properly in every primary school in laois. The development squads need major focus and attention and then the secondary schools too.
We actually need to start with 5 and 6 year olds and put in the work for 15 years time.
I'm sick and tired of hearing laois senior managers over the past 20 years talking about taking 'the learnings' from heavy defeats and trying to work on them. The same shite for years we are hearing. Bringing Dan Shanahan and the likes of Shane O Sullivan (performance coach) from waterford and paying them. Performance coach...for that last night, give me a break.
Its time for leadership in this county. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop making the same mistakes over and over. We need to start from scratch and we need to do it now!!

Completely agree more funding has to be put into the development panels along with support's for training the home grown coaches so we can Begin a succession plan for future Manager's to take roles
The setanta program also which has to be replicated on the football end.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 08, 2023, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on February 05, 2023, 06:36:29 PM
The combined schools team would be a good idea but its really only one cog in a wheel that has fallen off the wagon. Before we even talk about secondary schools we need to get the club structures in place with full time GPOs. We need to develop and grow the setanta programme into something special for kids. We need to get hurling going properly in every primary school in laois. The development squads need major focus and attention and then the secondary schools too.
We actually need to start with 5 and 6 year olds and put in the work for 15 years time.
I'm sick and tired of hearing laois senior managers over the past 20 years talking about taking 'the learnings' from heavy defeats and trying to work on them. The same shite for years we are hearing. Bringing Dan Shanahan and the likes of Shane O Sullivan (performance coach) from waterford and paying them. Performance coach...for that last night, give me a break.
Its time for leadership in this county. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop making the same mistakes over and over. We need to start from scratch and we need to do it now!!

Completely agree. It is all about the clubs and the coaching. There was never a hurler or footballer in Laois 'created' by a school or the county board. The county board have a role for sure but should all clubs not be able to pay a decent wage to a 'pro' to coach their underage teams for a few years the same way as they pay expenses to senior coaches and managers? Perhaps with financial assistance from the county board. The county board coaches never did much good IMO. Many of our young hurlers and footballers are being coached by parents who are doing their best but not at the right level to get lads to the standard needed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 09, 2023, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on February 08, 2023, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on February 05, 2023, 06:36:29 PM
The combined schools team would be a good idea but its really only one cog in a wheel that has fallen off the wagon. Before we even talk about secondary schools we need to get the club structures in place with full time GPOs. We need to develop and grow the setanta programme into something special for kids. We need to get hurling going properly in every primary school in laois. The development squads need major focus and attention and then the secondary schools too.
We actually need to start with 5 and 6 year olds and put in the work for 15 years time.
I'm sick and tired of hearing laois senior managers over the past 20 years talking about taking 'the learnings' from heavy defeats and trying to work on them. The same shite for years we are hearing. Bringing Dan Shanahan and the likes of Shane O Sullivan (performance coach) from waterford and paying them. Performance coach...for that last night, give me a break.
Its time for leadership in this county. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop making the same mistakes over and over. We need to start from scratch and we need to do it now!!

Completely agree. It is all about the clubs and the coaching. There was never a hurler or footballer in Laois 'created' by a school or the county board. The county board have a role for sure but should all clubs not be able to pay a decent wage to a 'pro' to coach their underage teams for a few years the same way as they pay expenses to senior coaches and managers? Perhaps with financial assistance from the county board. The county board coaches never did much good IMO. Many of our young hurlers and footballers are being coached by parents who are doing their best but not at the right level to get lads to the standard needed.


Exactly as opposed to lads getting a pile of Hurling in most other counties that are serious about it

Offaly won the A schools Hurling

All Offaly B schools Final

2 Offaly Schools and a Combined Offaly Schools in A football

There are 47 clubs in Laois and you are expecting each and every one of them to hire someone to go in and coach every juvenile team in their clubs?

Offaly has a smaller population,a smaller player base and they are starting to run rings around us
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tier2 on February 11, 2023, 12:37:51 PM
Did I see Laois played Offaly in a second year combined school's match today?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on February 11, 2023, 07:15:31 PM
Quote from: Tier2 on February 11, 2023, 12:37:51 PM
Did I see Laois played Offaly in a second year combined school's match today?
Yup. Laois won handy. Something like 5-15 to 1-12.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on February 19, 2023, 12:36:29 AM
https://twitter.com/deirdrekelly8/status/1626930942026649600?s=46&t=YZm3k7M1NQ3tAz3zndsiNw

Minor hurlers beaten by Kildare by a few points in a challenge match in hawkfield today. 3 x 30 minutes played.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on February 19, 2023, 08:49:21 AM
Think they already beat Offaly in a similar game a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on February 19, 2023, 12:17:48 PM
Kildare definitely beat Wexford last week down there, so they are handy enough
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 19, 2023, 01:09:37 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 19, 2023, 08:49:21 AM
Think they already beat Offaly in a similar game a couple of weeks ago.

Galway probably the team to beat now in the Leinster minor championship,dished out a bit of trimming to Offaly in the last fortnight
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on February 19, 2023, 01:22:58 PM
Yeah, how this helps Leinster hurling is beyond me.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois supporter on February 20, 2023, 01:10:08 AM
Laois played poorly and conceded 3 sloppy goals. Bitzed Kildare for 20 mins either side of half time and won by 3
.Last portion of the match was second string.
Kildare won that by 8 or 9 points.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 08:17:11 AM
kildare 5-19 Laois 3-19
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on February 20, 2023, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 19, 2023, 01:09:37 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 19, 2023, 08:49:21 AM
Think they already beat Offaly in a similar game a couple of weeks ago.

Galway probably the team to beat now in the Leinster minor championship,dished out a bit of trimming to Offaly in the last fortnight

Apparently there won't be a minor team in Ireland within 10 points of this Galway team. The future heir to Joe Cannings crown is among this group. A young lad from Clarenbridge. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2023, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: ottoman on February 20, 2023, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 19, 2023, 01:09:37 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 19, 2023, 08:49:21 AM
Think they already beat Offaly in a similar game a couple of weeks ago.

Galway probably the team to beat now in the Leinster minor championship,dished out a bit of trimming to Offaly in the last fortnight

Apparently there won't be a minor team in Ireland within 10 points of this Galway team. The future heir to Joe Cannings crown is among this group. A young lad from Clarenbridge.

Bit soon to be comparing Aaron Niland brother of Evan to Canning yet,but hes the makings of a fine hurler.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on February 20, 2023, 11:07:54 AM
Laois play anyone else recently? Will they be competetive this year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on February 20, 2023, 02:04:56 PM
St. Fergal's, Rathdowney lost to Cistercian, Roscrea in the Leinster senior schools 'C' semi-final today, after extra-time. In fairness, the Cistercian team would have a few Offaly minors on it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2023, 03:21:03 PM
Games Manager and 2 GDA's now gone in the past month

1 Football GDA left in situ

IIRC we were given a budget for 5 GDA's and a Games Manager
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?

                   Ben campion
Bobby Murphy.      Lawson.     Cathal Cuddy
Philip Tynan.     Tom Cuddy.     Rory Dunne
       Cody comerford.      Podge. Brennan
Cian conroy.     Cillian Dunne.     Brian duggan
Noah quinlan.    Ger Quinlan.   James cuddy

Ross coffey
Cathal Murphy
Colm byrne
Were the substitutes that came on. Its depressing that portlaoise have only one representative on the panel which is the sub goalkeeper.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on February 20, 2023, 05:09:18 PM
The point about Portlaoise having only one representative in the panel is actually replicated in a lot of the smaller and not so smaller counties across the country. The largest town having the least representation with the county etc .
I agree it is depressing but it's also maybe a social and cultural issue which needs to be addressed.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 21, 2023, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?

                   Ben campion
Bobby Murphy.      Lawson.     Cathal Cuddy
Philip Tynan.     Tom Cuddy.     Rory Dunne
       Cody comerford.      Podge. Brennan
Cian conroy.     Cillian Dunne.     Brian duggan
Noah quinlan.    Ger Quinlan.   James cuddy

Ross coffey
Cathal Murphy
Colm byrne
Were the substitutes that came on. Its depressing that portlaoise have only one representative on the panel which is the sub goalkeeper.

Portlaoise spend a fair chunk of their time in the likes of minor in the B, nevermind the fact that they should be a senior hurling club also

Hurling is on its knees in Portlaoise
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 21, 2023, 10:44:47 AM
While it's lamentable that hurling is at such a low ebb in the town surely tat's an opportunity for the likes of Clonad to get in younglads from the town who want to hurl.
Does it help your club at all?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?

                   Ben campion
Bobby Murphy.      Lawson.     Cathal Cuddy
Philip Tynan.     Tom Cuddy.     Rory Dunne
       Cody comerford.      Podge. Brennan
Cian conroy.     Cillian Dunne.     Brian duggan
Noah quinlan.    Ger Quinlan.   James cuddy

Ross coffey
Cathal Murphy
Colm byrne
Were the substitutes that came on. Its depressing that portlaoise have only one representative on the panel which is the sub goalkeeper.

Is that the full team? Must be lads missing if that is the line out.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 21, 2023, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on February 21, 2023, 10:44:47 AM
While it's lamentable that hurling is at such a low ebb in the town surely tat's an opportunity for the likes of Clonad to get in younglads from the town who want to hurl.
Does it help your club at all?

We do

But it's a struggle and Portlaoise tend to have first call on youngsters from a GAA background

If I won the Euromillions,I would consider having a second Clonad pitch and grounds in the town
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 21, 2023, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?

                   Ben campion
Bobby Murphy.      Lawson.     Cathal Cuddy
Philip Tynan.     Tom Cuddy.     Rory Dunne
       Cody comerford.      Podge. Brennan
Cian conroy.     Cillian Dunne.     Brian duggan
Noah quinlan.    Ger Quinlan.   James cuddy

Ross coffey
Cathal Murphy
Colm byrne
Were the substitutes that came on. Its depressing that portlaoise have only one representative on the panel which is the sub goalkeeper.

Is that the full team? Must be lads missing if that is the line out.
Aaron phelan, ciaran flynn,,possibly sean fitz and loughlin conway would pushing hard to start. Good few especially to the age didn't commit for one reason or another. There a very physically small team with one or two exceptions.. a good few of them seemed to be way off the pace fitness  wise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 21, 2023, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?

Aodh Bowes, Daniel Bowe, Jim O'Connor, David Dooley, Joe Corby

                   Ben campion
Bobby Murphy.      Lawson.     Cathal Cuddy
Philip Tynan.     Tom Cuddy.     Rory Dunne
       Cody comerford.      Podge. Brennan
Cian conroy.     Cillian Dunne.     Brian duggan
Noah quinlan.    Ger Quinlan.   James cuddy

Ross coffey
Cathal Murphy
Colm byrne
Were the substitutes that came on. Its depressing that portlaoise have only one representative on the panel which is the sub goalkeeper.

Is that the full team? Must be lads missing if that is the line out.
Aaron phelan, ciaran flynn,,possibly sean fitz and loughlin conway would pushing hard to start. Good few especially to the age didn't commit for one reason or another. There a very physically small team with one or two exceptions.. a good few of them seemed to be way off the pace fitness  wise.

Aodh Bowes, Joe Corby, David Dooley. Are they not available?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 21, 2023, 05:40:52 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 21, 2023, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?

Aodh Bowes, Daniel Bowe, Jim O'Connor, David Dooley, Joe Corby

                   Ben campion
Bobby Murphy.      Lawson.     Cathal Cuddy
Philip Tynan.     Tom Cuddy.     Rory Dunne
       Cody comerford.      Podge. Brennan
Cian conroy.     Cillian Dunne.     Brian duggan
Noah quinlan.    Ger Quinlan.   James cuddy

Ross coffey
Cathal Murphy
Colm byrne
Were the substitutes that came on. Its depressing that portlaoise have only one representative on the panel which is the sub goalkeeper.

Is that the full team? Must be lads missing if that is the line out.
Aaron phelan, ciaran flynn,,possibly sean fitz and loughlin conway would pushing hard to start. Good few especially to the age didn't commit for one reason or another. There a very physically small team with one or two exceptions.. a good few of them seemed to be way off the pace fitness  wise.

Aodh Bowes, Joe Corby, David Dooley. Are they not available?
Aodh Bowes withdrew
Joe corby unsure
David dooley rugby
Padraig rafter football
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 21, 2023, 05:40:52 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 21, 2023, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?

Aodh Bowes, Daniel Bowe, Jim O'Connor, David Dooley, Joe Corby

                   Ben campion
Bobby Murphy.      Lawson.     Cathal Cuddy
Philip Tynan.     Tom Cuddy.     Rory Dunne
       Cody comerford.      Podge. Brennan
Cian conroy.     Cillian Dunne.     Brian duggan
Noah quinlan.    Ger Quinlan.   James cuddy

Ross coffey
Cathal Murphy
Colm byrne
Were the substitutes that came on. Its depressing that portlaoise have only one representative on the panel which is the sub goalkeeper.

Is that the full team? Must be lads missing if that is the line out.
Aaron phelan, ciaran flynn,,possibly sean fitz and loughlin conway would pushing hard to start. Good few especially to the age didn't commit for one reason or another. There a very physically small team with one or two exceptions.. a good few of them seemed to be way off the pace fitness  wise.

Aodh Bowes, Joe Corby, David Dooley. Are they not available?
Aodh Bowes withdrew
Joe corby unsure
David dooley rugby
Padraig rafter football

Daniel Bowe, Jim O'Connor?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on February 22, 2023, 08:38:49 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 21, 2023, 05:40:52 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 21, 2023, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on February 21, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: on the hop on February 20, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on February 20, 2023, 02:13:03 PM
Laois u20s played westmeath in Coe yesterday. Very poor performance against an unfancied westmeath side. Laois near enough full strength except for aaron phelan and ciaran flynn who were injured.. Left with 5 min to go and laois were up by 2 or 3 points.

hardly know the team ?

Aodh Bowes, Daniel Bowe, Jim O'Connor, David Dooley, Joe Corby

                   Ben campion
Bobby Murphy.      Lawson.     Cathal Cuddy
Philip Tynan.     Tom Cuddy.     Rory Dunne
       Cody comerford.      Podge. Brennan
Cian conroy.     Cillian Dunne.     Brian duggan
Noah quinlan.    Ger Quinlan.   James cuddy

Ross coffey
Cathal Murphy
Colm byrne
Were the substitutes that came on. Its depressing that portlaoise have only one representative on the panel which is the sub goalkeeper.

Is that the full team? Must be lads missing if that is the line out.
Aaron phelan, ciaran flynn,,possibly sean fitz and loughlin conway would pushing hard to start. Good few especially to the age didn't commit for one reason or another. There a very physically small team with one or two exceptions.. a good few of them seemed to be way off the pace fitness  wise.

Aodh Bowes, Joe Corby, David Dooley. Are they not available?
Aodh Bowes withdrew
Joe corby unsure
David dooley rugby
Padraig rafter football

Daniel Bowe, Jim O'Connor?
Jim o Connor part of panel but not getting a look in
Daniel bowe never went in as far as I know
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 24, 2023, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 21, 2023, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on February 21, 2023, 10:44:47 AM
While it's lamentable that hurling is at such a low ebb in the town surely tat's an opportunity for the likes of Clonad to get in younglads from the town who want to hurl.
Does it help your club at all?

We do

But it's a struggle and Portlaoise tend to have first call on youngsters from a GAA background

If I won the Euromillions,I would consider having a second Clonad pitch and grounds in the town

Still pretending to be from Clonad?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 24, 2023, 11:56:50 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on February 24, 2023, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on February 21, 2023, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on February 21, 2023, 10:44:47 AM
While it's lamentable that hurling is at such a low ebb in the town surely tat's an opportunity for the likes of Clonad to get in younglads from the town who want to hurl.
Does it help your club at all?

We do

But it's a struggle and Portlaoise tend to have first call on youngsters from a GAA background

If I won the Euromillions,I would consider having a second Clonad pitch and grounds in the town

Still pretending to be from Clonad?!

Still pretending to know what you are talking about?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on March 03, 2023, 09:13:23 AM
Shocking news from Trumera. God rest the poor chap.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on March 03, 2023, 09:17:29 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on March 03, 2023, 09:13:23 AM
Shocking news from Trumera. God rest the poor chap.
Absolutely horrific news. Such a talented lad in all walks of life. Deepest sympathies to family, friends and the trumera club.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 03, 2023, 01:01:35 PM
So so sad may he Rip.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 05, 2023, 11:40:32 PM
Were laois U15s hurling Limerick over the weekend?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 06, 2023, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: Laois man on March 05, 2023, 11:40:32 PM
Were laois U15s hurling Limerick over the weekend?

Yes. It didn't go that well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on March 06, 2023, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on March 03, 2023, 09:13:23 AM
Shocking news from Trumera. God rest the poor chap.

One of the most difficult funerals I have ever been at. Heartbreaking.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 06, 2023, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: Laois man on March 05, 2023, 11:40:32 PM
Were laois U15s hurling Limerick over the weekend?

Limerick arrived with 2 teams and split them more or less evenly according to their mentors

Laois A conceded 7/8/9 goals in the first half alone

Laois B got an absolute trimming

Huge disparity in terms of coaching set up,warms up and organisation

Laois minors played the Clare celtic challenge team last week,competitive but beaten also

Laois minors are due to play Tipperary minors this Tuesday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on March 07, 2023, 08:58:37 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 06, 2023, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: Laois man on March 05, 2023, 11:40:32 PM
Were laois U15s hurling Limerick over the weekend?

Limerick arrived with 2 teams and split them more or less evenly according to their mentors

Laois A conceded 7/8/9 goals in the first half alone

Laois B got an absolute trimming

Huge disparity in terms of coaching set up,warms up and organisation

Laois minors played the Clare celtic challenge team last week,competitive but beaten also

Laois minors are due to play Tipperary minors this Tuesday


It was a bit silly to go play Limerick. A quick scan of last year's results would have shown that there is simply way too much between the teams to make a "challenge" out of it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 07, 2023, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on March 07, 2023, 08:58:37 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 06, 2023, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: Laois man on March 05, 2023, 11:40:32 PM
Were laois U15s hurling Limerick over the weekend?

Limerick arrived with 2 teams and split them more or less evenly according to their mentors

Laois A conceded 7/8/9 goals in the first half alone

Laois B got an absolute trimming

Huge disparity in terms of coaching set up,warms up and organisation

Laois minors played the Clare celtic challenge team last week,competitive but beaten also

Laois minors are due to play Tipperary minors this Tuesday


It was a bit silly to go play Limerick. A quick scan of last year's results would have shown that there is simply way too much between the teams to make a "challenge" out of it.

Agreed

but its hard to know what county this group would beat given where they are at.

I hope Im very wrong but the 2022 Minors will be regarded as the golden year for many years to come
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on March 07, 2023, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 07, 2023, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on March 07, 2023, 08:58:37 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 06, 2023, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: Laois man on March 05, 2023, 11:40:32 PM
Were laois U15s hurling Limerick over the weekend?

Limerick arrived with 2 teams and split them more or less evenly according to their mentors

Laois A conceded 7/8/9 goals in the first half alone

Laois B got an absolute trimming

Huge disparity in terms of coaching set up,warms up and organisation

Laois minors played the Clare celtic challenge team last week,competitive but beaten also

Laois minors are due to play Tipperary minors this Tuesday


It was a bit silly to go play Limerick. A quick scan of last year's results would have shown that there is simply way too much between the teams to make a "challenge" out of it.

Agreed

but its hard to know what county this group would beat given where they are at.

I hope Im very wrong but the 2022 Minors will be regarded as the golden year for many years to come


We're back in the Kildare, Westmeath, Kerry, Carlow group for challege games with our squads it seems.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 07, 2023, 10:19:30 AM
LAOIS MINOR HURLING PANEL 2023 
Eoghan Murphy (The Harps) – Captain
Justin Duggan (The Harps)
Mark Downey (The Harps)
Donal Deegan (The Harps)
Cormac Dunne (The Harps)
Ethan Lafferty (The Harps)
Lochlan Curran (The Harps)

Raymond Goode (Castletown)
Ryan Peters (Castletown) – Vice Captain
Kyron Cuddy (Castletown)
Killian Breen (Castletown)

Eli Quinn (Abbeyleix)
Cormac Byrne (Abbeyleix) – Vice-Captain
Riain Mahony (Abbeyleix)

Caelum O'Brien (Mountrath)
Cian Hill (Mountrath)
Ruaidhri Kavanagh (Mountrath)

Rick Bannon (Camross)
Conor Mortimer (Camross)

Evan Cassin (Clough-Ballacolla)
Colm Brennan (Clough-Ballacolla)

Lorcan Dunne (Rathdowney-Errill)
Eoin Bracken (Rathdowney-Errill)

David Brown (Portlaoise)

Patrick O'Callaghan (Clonad)
Liam Whelan (Clonad)

Jordan Downey (Portarlington)
Conor Maher (Portarlington)

Sam Somers (Rosenallis)
Oran Gorman (Rosenallis)

Jimmy Norton (Park-Ratheniska-Timahoe)

Charlie Hand (Emo)

Shane Connolly (Ballyfin)

Ben O'Mara (Ballinakill)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on March 07, 2023, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 07, 2023, 09:33:30 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on March 07, 2023, 08:58:37 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 06, 2023, 10:04:51 AM
Quote from: Laois man on March 05, 2023, 11:40:32 PM
Were laois U15s hurling Limerick over the weekend?

Limerick arrived with 2 teams and split them more or less evenly according to their mentors

Laois A conceded 7/8/9 goals in the first half alone

Laois B got an absolute trimming

Huge disparity in terms of coaching set up,warms up and organisation

Laois minors played the Clare celtic challenge team last week,competitive but beaten also

Laois minors are due to play Tipperary minors this Tuesday


It was a bit silly to go play Limerick. A quick scan of last year's results would have shown that there is simply way too much between the teams to make a "challenge" out of it.

Agreed

but its hard to know what county this group would beat given where they are at.

I hope Im very wrong but the 2022 Minors will be regarded as the golden year for many years to come
Your definitely not wrong. The development teams of last year and this year are poorly run with no proper structures or long term planning in place. We're only ticking boxes. No proper investment and now no required amount of gdo,s.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on March 08, 2023, 08:42:41 PM
The setanta programme and the development squads should become the most important teams in the county for the next 10 years. See what happens, its time to try something different. Laois people would be happy with a good minor or u20 team to follow rather than watch our seniors being hammered. How many thousands turned up to watch our minors last year compared to some senior games.
There needs to be a shift in focus asap
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 09, 2023, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2023, 08:42:41 PM
The setanta programme and the development squads should become the most important teams in the county for the next 10 years. See what happens, its time to try something different. Laois people would be happy with a good minor or u20 team to follow rather than watch our seniors being hammered. How many thousands turned up to watch our minors last year compared to some senior games.
There needs to be a shift in focus asap

There's no need for a shift in focus

What's needed is to focus across all the grades and not downgrade or throw out one group of hurlers over another

The CB in the last 2 years ran a surplus of close to €900k,use some of it but also get organised and work smart

Some of the story's coming out of the development squads are barely believable from an organisational viewpoint

If true
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Sideline12 on March 09, 2023, 06:49:46 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2023, 08:42:41 PM
The setanta programme and the development squads should become the most important teams in the county for the next 10 years. See what happens, its time to try something different. Laois people would be happy with a good minor or u20 team to follow rather than watch our seniors being hammered. How many thousands turned up to watch our minors last year compared to some senior games.
There needs to be a shift in focus asap
I agree 100%  plus our young footballer as well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on March 09, 2023, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 09, 2023, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2023, 08:42:41 PM
The setanta programme and the development squads should become the most important teams in the county for the next 10 years. See what happens, its time to try something different. Laois people would be happy with a good minor or u20 team to follow rather than watch our seniors being hammered. How many thousands turned up to watch our minors last year compared to some senior games.
There needs to be a shift in focus asap

There's no need for a shift in focus

What's needed is to focus across all the grades and not downgrade or throw out one group of hurlers over another

The CB in the last 2 years ran a surplus of close to €900k,use some of it but also get organised and work smart

Some of the story's coming out of the development squads are barely believable from an organisational viewpoint

If true

If we do as you say, nothing will change
Drastic overhaul is required
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 08:06:05 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 09, 2023, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 09, 2023, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2023, 08:42:41 PM
The setanta programme and the development squads should become the most important teams in the county for the next 10 years. See what happens, its time to try something different. Laois people would be happy with a good minor or u20 team to follow rather than watch our seniors being hammered. How many thousands turned up to watch our minors last year compared to some senior games.
There needs to be a shift in focus asap

There's no need for a shift in focus

What's needed is to focus across all the grades and not downgrade or throw out one group of hurlers over another

The CB in the last 2 years ran a surplus of close to €900k,use some of it but also get organised and work smart

Some of the story's coming out of the development squads are barely believable from an organisational viewpoint

If true

If we do as you say, nothing will change
Drastic overhaul is required

Tell us what you would do then?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 10, 2023, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 08:06:05 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 09, 2023, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 09, 2023, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2023, 08:42:41 PM
The setanta programme and the development squads should become the most important teams in the county for the next 10 years. See what happens, its time to try something different. Laois people would be happy with a good minor or u20 team to follow rather than watch our seniors being hammered. How many thousands turned up to watch our minors last year compared to some senior games.
There needs to be a shift in focus asap

There's no need for a shift in focus

What's needed is to focus across all the grades and not downgrade or throw out one group of hurlers over another

The CB in the last 2 years ran a surplus of close to €900k,use some of it but also get organised and work smart

Some of the story's coming out of the development squads are barely believable from an organisational viewpoint

If true

If we do as you say, nothing will change
Drastic overhaul is required

Tell us what you would do then?

I don't think it is massive. Need to put the money into high class coaching in the clubs. Pay suitable people to build standards and inspire our kids. Make the jobs financially attractive but based on a renewable term based on standards. We always talk about S&C etc which is important but unless you have the raw material it is pointless. County level GDAs don't work. The current model in Laois is to rely on parents, who are doing their best, to bring on our kids and we then expect the development panels / minor setups etc. to do the rest.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 06:12:21 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on March 10, 2023, 04:58:46 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 08:06:05 AM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 09, 2023, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 09, 2023, 05:22:46 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on March 08, 2023, 08:42:41 PM
The setanta programme and the development squads should become the most important teams in the county for the next 10 years. See what happens, its time to try something different. Laois people would be happy with a good minor or u20 team to follow rather than watch our seniors being hammered. How many thousands turned up to watch our minors last year compared to some senior games.
There needs to be a shift in focus asap

There's no need for a shift in focus

What's needed is to focus across all the grades and not downgrade or throw out one group of hurlers over another

The CB in the last 2 years ran a surplus of close to €900k,use some of it but also get organised and work smart

Some of the story's coming out of the development squads are barely believable from an organisational viewpoint

If true

If we do as you say, nothing will change
Drastic overhaul is required

Tell us what you would do then?

I don't think it is massive. Need to put the money into high class coaching in the clubs. Pay suitable people to build standards and inspire our kids. Make the jobs financially attractive but based on a renewable term based on standards. We always talk about S&C etc which is important but unless you have the raw material it is pointless. County level GDAs don't work. The current model in Laois is to rely on parents, who are doing their best, to bring on our kids and we then expect the development panels / minor setups etc. to do the rest.

There's already qualified GPO's working in Clubs and by the end of this year,any club that has put in for one will have one.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 10, 2023, 06:33:55 PM
How about using the surplus of €900,000 to put GDA's in place to provide hurling to every child in every primary school in the county instead of listening to the Enoch Burke style chairmen (forcing their preferences on their whole club/community) etc of clubs who resist all attempts to promote the game. How are these dinosaurs allowed into positions of power? Small-minded, fearful, inward looking and continuously placing obstacles in the way of hurling development.

Spare me the 'hurling clubs do the same arguments'. I acknowledge that but it doesn't make it right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 10, 2023, 06:33:55 PM
How about using the surplus of €900,000 to put GDA's in place to provide hurling to every child in every primary school in the county instead of listening to the Enoch Burke style chairmen (forcing their preferences on their whole club/community) etc of clubs who resist all attempts to promote the game. How are these dinosaurs allowed into positions of power? Small-minded, fearful, inward looking and continuously placing obstacles in the way of hurling development.

Spare me the 'hurling clubs do the same arguments'. I acknowledge that but it doesn't make it right.


Which clubs would they be ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 10, 2023, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 10, 2023, 06:33:55 PM
How about using the surplus of €900,000 to put GDA's in place to provide hurling to every child in every primary school in the county instead of listening to the Enoch Burke style chairmen (forcing their preferences on their whole club/community) etc of clubs who resist all attempts to promote the game. How are these dinosaurs allowed into positions of power? Small-minded, fearful, inward looking and continuously placing obstacles in the way of hurling development.

Spare me the 'hurling clubs do the same arguments'. I acknowledge that but it doesn't make it right.



Which clubs would they be ?

Whiuch football clubs discourage hurling?? I can think of a couple, all right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 08:53:26 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on March 10, 2023, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 10, 2023, 06:33:55 PM
How about using the surplus of €900,000 to put GDA's in place to provide hurling to every child in every primary school in the county instead of listening to the Enoch Burke style chairmen (forcing their preferences on their whole club/community) etc of clubs who resist all attempts to promote the game. How are these dinosaurs allowed into positions of power? Small-minded, fearful, inward looking and continuously placing obstacles in the way of hurling development.

Spare me the 'hurling clubs do the same arguments'. I acknowledge that but it doesn't make it right.



Which clubs would they be ?

Whiuch football clubs discourage hurling?? I can think of a couple, all right.

Who are the worst offenders?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 10, 2023, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 10, 2023, 06:33:55 PM
How about using the surplus of €900,000 to put GDA's in place to provide hurling to every child in every primary school in the county instead of listening to the Enoch Burke style chairmen (forcing their preferences on their whole club/community) etc of clubs who resist all attempts to promote the game. How are these dinosaurs allowed into positions of power? Small-minded, fearful, inward looking and continuously placing obstacles in the way of hurling development.

Spare me the 'hurling clubs do the same arguments'. I acknowledge that but it doesn't make it right.


Which clubs would they be ?

Look at the list of GAA clubs and then identify the football only clubs who have enough numbers to play Go Games football but have never attempted to play Go Games hurling. Most of these would resist the idea vehemently.

I would love if even one openminded such club read this post and thought 'why not give it a go next year?'
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 10, 2023, 08:55:16 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 10, 2023, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on March 10, 2023, 06:33:55 PM
How about using the surplus of €900,000 to put GDA's in place to provide hurling to every child in every primary school in the county instead of listening to the Enoch Burke style chairmen (forcing their preferences on their whole club/community) etc of clubs who resist all attempts to promote the game. How are these dinosaurs allowed into positions of power? Small-minded, fearful, inward looking and continuously placing obstacles in the way of hurling development.

Spare me the 'hurling clubs do the same arguments'. I acknowledge that but it doesn't make it right.




Which clubs would they be ?

Look at the list of GAA clubs and then identify the football only clubs who have enough numbers to play Go Games football but have never attempted to play Go Games hurling. Most of these would resist the idea vehemently.

the fact that we cant name the worst offenders on an anonomous GAA Forum kinda says it all

And thats even before anything is even done to address it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 11, 2023, 09:42:48 AM
Well, I think Portarlington and Emo would both be happy to let their underage hurling set-ups wither. Yes, they do have underage set-ups, but this is more down to the enthusiasm and hard work of individual parents, rather than a club commitment, and I know, in Portarlington's case, obstacles have been put in the way of progress. Of course, it's fair enough in a way - it's football men who run these clubs - but it will be a pity to see all that effort fade away. Also, I did hear there were efforts to establish a hurling club in the north east of the county, but I think it came to nought. In any case, it would probably have gone the way of Slieve Margy - where, again, I'm sure the football clubs were happy to let it wither, but hurling clubs in the area may have been equally happy for that to happen, so they could hoover up a few players for themselves.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 11, 2023, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on March 11, 2023, 09:42:48 AM
Well, I think Portarlington and Emo would both be happy to let their underage hurling set-ups wither. Yes, they do have underage set-ups, but this is more down to the enthusiasm and hard work of individual parents, rather than a club commitment, and I know, in Portarlington's case, obstacles have been put in the way of progress. Of course, it's fair enough in a way - it's football men who run these clubs] but it will be a pity to see all that effort fade away. Also, I did hear there were efforts to establish a hurling club in the north east of the county, but I think it came to nought. In any case, it would probably have gone the way of Slieve Margy - where, again, I'm sure the football clubs were happy to let it wither, but hurling clubs in the area may have been equally happy for that to happen, so they could hoover up a few players for themselves.

This line suggests that some club members opinions are more important than others. Its not 'fair enough' in any way. These are supposedly GAA clubs where actual club members are wilfully killing one of games of the association through obstruction, inaction or willful neglect. The people who play and promote hurling in these clubs have as much right to promote their chosen sport as any other member. Its the RESPONSIBILITY of the club executive to support these people in every way possible. Anyone who does the opposite is committing an act of treason against their own organisation.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on March 14, 2023, 12:27:23 AM
It's very easy to accuse clubs of being closed to hurling but in my opinion it's not true. Clubs will let anyone start a hurling team and many have tried. They fail not through resistance of clubs but through sheer lack of people to run such teams. Take port for instance..... A big traditional football club with an decent underage hurling setup. How many people are driving the hurling?? 5 or 6 whereas there's multiples of that doing football. There are not enough people skilled in hurling to teach the skills to kids and even if you put County coaches in there still won't be enough to sign up to coach. You mentioned Emo/St Paul's, these kids are getting good coaching through Emo and Rath schools as both principals are hurling men but once again once it goes back to the clubs there's only small numbers there to coach. Also parents choose which sport the child has a better chance of progressing in as they can't be out 6 nights a week. It's not the clubs which are stopping hurling but tradition. Clubs will always revert to their stronger code just to keep things going but as with hurling clubs will always struggle to get enough coaches to teach the weaker one.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 14, 2023, 09:13:50 AM
I'm normally very critical of the County Board but credit where it's due here

Most counties have been producing these booklets with years but fair play to whoever decide to produce it this year

https://laoisgaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023-Coiste-na-nA_g-Regulations-Summary.pdf
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 14, 2023, 02:43:56 PM
Quote from: Jd on March 14, 2023, 12:27:23 AM
It's very easy to accuse clubs of being closed to hurling but in my opinion it's not true. Clubs will let anyone start a hurling team and many have tried. They fail not through resistance of clubs but through sheer lack of people to run such teams. Take port for instance..... A big traditional football club with an decent underage hurling setup. How many people are driving the hurling?? 5 or 6 whereas there's multiples of that doing football. There are not enough people skilled in hurling to teach the skills to kids and even if you put County coaches in there still won't be enough to sign up to coach. You mentioned Emo/St Paul's, these kids are getting good coaching through Emo and Rath schools as both principals are hurling men but once again once it goes back to the clubs there's only small numbers there to coach. Also parents choose which sport the child has a better chance of progressing in as they can't be out 6 nights a week. It's not the clubs which are stopping hurling but tradition. Clubs will always revert to their stronger code just to keep things going but as with hurling clubs will always struggle to get enough coaches to teach the weaker one.

I don't agree on this at all. There are 5-6 ppl involved in Port because they have ignored the atmosphere of 'we don't really want hurling here'. It is difficult enough to attract ppl to get involved without the idea that 'hurling is a foreign sport' (yes, hard to believe but I have heard that one a few times in a variety of clubs)
If you think hurling isn't impeded, tripped up, ignored and neglected from those within our own organisation then I suggest you must be viewing the situation from quite a distance.

Now that Port have established juvenile hurling where is their determination to build on it and form an adult club in the area? There isn't any. They will be happy to allow those lads tip away at hurling as an isolated player with some club nearby. Safe in the knowledge that hurling will be dead in 10 years and it will be a long time again before ppl try to resurrect it. Very similar to Slieve Margy.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on March 14, 2023, 11:27:47 PM
What you say actually confirms what I said. There isn't the appetite in the traditional football clubs for hurling because there are not enough "hurling people" in these clubs. The football people don't care enough to try to develop it further and while I can't speak for all clubs I can honestly say that I have never seen anyone actively try to prevent hurling. It's not protests which kill hurling in the football areas but more apathy. Its the same as football in hurling areas. Unless a hurling person "blows in" to a football area or vice versa then it'll never start up much less grow. I love hurling but am from a football area. My young fella brings his hurl to school cos I almost bully him to but he himself has said there's more of the lads playing football so he'll l play that with his club
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 15, 2023, 04:00:25 PM
I didn't say there isn't appetite. There may be appetite in certain places but football focused club executives can gently persuade those people that it's not worth the hassle. Before they even find out if there is fuel for the fire, they put it out.

Are there underage hurling teams in your sons club?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on March 16, 2023, 04:28:09 PM
There is indeed an underage setup but no adult. He doesn't play with the club as he prefers football....... Football area
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 20, 2023, 01:35:37 PM
Quote from: Jd on March 14, 2023, 11:27:47 PM
What you say actually confirms what I said. There isn't the appetite in the traditional football clubs for hurling because there are not enough "hurling people" in these clubs. The football people don't care enough to try to develop it further and while I can't speak for all clubs I can honestly say that I have never seen anyone actively try to prevent hurling. It's not protests which kill hurling in the football areas but more apathy. Its the same as football in hurling areas. Unless a hurling person "blows in" to a football area or vice versa then it'll never start up much less grow. I love hurling but am from a football area. My young fella brings his hurl to school cos I almost bully him to but he himself has said there's more of the lads playing football so he'll l play that with his club

Most Hurling Clubs play Football at Juvenile and at some level at Adult Level

Football Clubs bar 1 or 2 exceptions dont play any Hurling whatsoever
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 20, 2023, 05:20:11 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on March 20, 2023, 01:35:37 PM
Quote from: Jd on March 14, 2023, 11:27:47 PM
What you say actually confirms what I said. There isn't the appetite in the traditional football clubs for hurling because there are not enough "hurling people" in these clubs. The football people don't care enough to try to develop it further and while I can't speak for all clubs I can honestly say that I have never seen anyone actively try to prevent hurling. It's not protests which kill hurling in the football areas but more apathy. Its the same as football in hurling areas. Unless a hurling person "blows in" to a football area or vice versa then it'll never start up much less grow. I love hurling but am from a football area. My young fella brings his hurl to school cos I almost bully him to but he himself has said there's more of the lads playing football so he'll l play that with his club

Most Hurling Clubs play Football at Juvenile and at some level at Adult Level

Football Clubs bar 1 or 2 exceptions dont play any Hurling whatsoever

This is true and we often have club officers tell us that "this is a 'football' area" and decide that nobody in the area wants to play hurling. An example would be if hurling coaching was offered to a primary school through a GDA. Often a club officer would say 'ah there wouldn't be any interest in that here.' So a 50-60 Yr old club officer decides that a whole class/school has no interest in hurling without even letting them try it or asking them. This happens. If you think otherwise you are naive.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 20, 2023, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Jd on March 16, 2023, 04:28:09 PM
There is indeed an underage setup but no adult. He doesn't play with the club as he prefers football....... Football area

and theres the mentality and root of the problem right there

its like as if parts of the county are walled off to hurling
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on March 21, 2023, 11:03:12 AM
But sure its true. There are distinct football and hurling areas.in Laois and people on here saying that football clubs should be pushing hurling at underage are living in a dreamworld. If the appetite is there then of course let kids play hurling but to say that there's suddenly going the be a big uptake of hurling in stradbally or ballylinan is just wrong no more than saying that Ballacolla are suddenly going to be a football superpower. Kids will pick whatever sport is big in a certain area and to excell at a sport then sometimes clubs and players just have to concentrate on one
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 21, 2023, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: Jd on March 21, 2023, 11:03:12 AM
But sure its true. There are distinct football and hurling areas.in Laois and people on here saying that football clubs should be pushing hurling at underage are living in a dreamworld. If the appetite is there then of course let kids play hurling but to say that there's suddenly going the be a big uptake of hurling in stradbally or ballylinan is just wrong no more than saying that Ballacolla are suddenly going to be a football superpower. Kids will pick whatever sport is big in a certain area and to excell at a sport then sometimes clubs and players just have to concentrate on one

all the Hurling Clubs have Football Teams at varying levels but at the least they do play Football

Can the same be said for Stradbally or Josephs or the vast vast majority of the "Football" Clubs?

Should the Hurling Clubs do as you say then and boot out football completely and concentrate solely on Hurling?

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 30, 2023, 06:06:58 PM
Best of luck to the U20 hurlers tomorrow night Kildare. Not a bad team on paper but it won't be easy get a win kildare are a good outfit.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on March 31, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
Good win for the U20s tonight well done.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 03, 2023, 11:17:24 AM
I couldn't get to it but Christ that was an awful hammering for our minors. I know Galway are good but 30 points is a desperate beating.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 03, 2023, 01:54:04 PM
Good chance the minors will lose to Antrim next weekend, too, and if I'm not mistaken, that'll leave them out of the championship altogether by Easter! Between the two games, 21 different players have started - and very few of them in the same position. Maybe they know their best 15 for the Antrim game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on April 03, 2023, 08:16:34 PM
We are gone so far backward in the last few years at academy squad level, minor down, with last year being an exceptional minor team.

It's back to the days of lads who can't get a job in the clubs putting their hand up for academy coaching roles, being left without any guidance and picking their club players,

No pathway or targets being set or delivered, we desperately need a good director of hurling with vision and knowledge of how to deliver, is this the hurling boards job to implement / deliver ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on April 04, 2023, 12:17:32 PM
not sure wat it says wen our minor manager is doin tv commentries for u20 football games in the middle o championship.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on April 04, 2023, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on April 04, 2023, 12:17:32 PM
not sure wat it says wen our minor manager is doin tv commentries for u20 football games in the middle o championship.

Did he miss any of his commitments (training sessions or matches) to the minor team? If not, he is a volunteer (who puts huge time into the minor hurlers) he is entitled to spend his free time any way he chooses. A ridiculous,  personal  and petty comment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Heshs Umpire on April 04, 2023, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: georgedoylesrightleg on April 04, 2023, 12:17:32 PM
not sure wat it says wen our minor manager is doin tv commentries for u20 football games in the middle o championship.
Can't see the problem to be honest. Surely he's entitled to do whatever he wants in his spare time?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 07, 2023, 09:20:32 PM
Fair play to the minors, beating Antrim today. I must say, I didn't think they would. Leaves them with a preliminary quarter-final against Kildare, and hopefully they'll negotiate that hurdle successfully, too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Saffrongael on April 07, 2023, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 07, 2023, 09:20:32 PM
Fair play to the minors, beating Antrim today. I must say, I didn't think they would. Leaves them with a preliminary quarter-final against Kildare, and hopefully they'll negotiate that hurdle successfully, too.

They were well ahead by about 8 or 9 but Antrim levelled it with about 5 to go
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 08, 2023, 12:18:50 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 07, 2023, 09:42:59 PM
They were well ahead by about 8 or 9 but Antrim levelled it with about 5 to go

Good to hear, more important to pull a victory off when the chips are down than cruising from 8pts or 9pts up to double that and learn little from it. Could be one of the more important victories this year for this crop of players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 21, 2023, 11:46:20 PM
Hard luck to our U20 hurlers tonight shocking way to lose a game. On a side note no cash being taking on turn stiles tonight and elderly people outside without tickets couldn't get in. Cop yer self's on cash is king at games for people to get entire. Not everybody is up tickets on there phone. Cork and Tipp gaa are taking cash but we can't  elderly people are afraid to go to fames now with the fear of not getting in my god the social side of the local games is gone. But still taking cash inside for programs and at tge shop. I rest my case.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 22, 2023, 07:22:55 AM
I went to one of the minor hurlers' games in O'MP, and they accepted cash off me...

I thought this u20 group was supposed to be quite good, no? Have they not underachieved a bit?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 22, 2023, 09:11:54 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 22, 2023, 07:22:55 AM
I went to one of the minor hurlers' games in O'MP, and they accepted cash off me...

I thought this u20 group was supposed to be quite good, no? Have they not underachieved a bit?

That's an awful regression for that group. Questions must be asked how this was allowed to happen. They were one of the best squads at the younger ages hammering the likes of Offaly and Westmeath and now they have lost to those two at minor and u20. Next year's team lost to Kildare at minor as well. Worrying for the future.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on April 22, 2023, 09:17:07 AM
Taking off lads then bringing them on. Other subs getting no game time at all wouldn't fresh legs in extra time be a help.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on April 22, 2023, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: Zooming around on April 22, 2023, 09:11:54 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on April 22, 2023, 07:22:55 AM
I went to one of the minor hurlers' games in O'MP, and they accepted cash off me...

I thought this u20 group was supposed to be quite good, no? Have they not underachieved a bit?

That's an awful regression for that group. Questions must be asked how this was allowed to happen. They were one of the best squads at the younger ages hammering the likes of Offaly and Westmeath and now they have lost to those two at minor and u20. Next year's team lost to Kildare at minor as well. Worrying for the future.
Exactly. That group performed famously at the tony forestal and won the Arrabawn shield beating tipps first team if I remember correctly.
I questioned why at least 5 to 6 lads to the age walked away this year who were all mainstays of that group . The management went with a large amount of last years minors but the step up to u20 is massive.
In all reality it was a complete shite show from start to finish. A serious knock back for laois hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on April 22, 2023, 11:21:05 AM
Yes I don't know anyone involved but it did look a bit of a mess to me. I hate watching good players who are making avoidable mistakes due to a lack of coaching. There are some good hurlers but there seems to be an idea that good players don't need coaching, which is complete nonsense. We've seen the same in football over the years.

Westmeath wanted it more, which is also not good.

The substitutions were just farcical to be honest.

As for the no cash policy, it's just stupid and annoying. I've gone to less than half the games I ordinarily would because of this and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on April 24, 2023, 10:09:58 PM
Valiant effort from the minor hurlers this evening. Couple of turning points that eventually got a useful dublin team over the line.
2nd game in the championship where they didn't make use of the extra man which is a pity because I thought they matched the Dubs in nearly all areas of the game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 24, 2023, 10:18:11 PM
I think Dublin were absolutely there for the taking for our minors tonight; a few botched goal chances (including a missed penalty, and an effort that hit the post) cost them. Still, at least they were beating who they should've been beating, and have definitely improved since the start of the championship. Actually, they've come on a good bit since over the last year when they were losing to the likes of Meath, so fair play to Damien Carter.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 24, 2023, 10:36:14 PM
Two sending offs in the closing stages, and Dublin down to 14 men too. Was the ref overly fussy?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 24, 2023, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: G@@ on April 24, 2023, 10:36:14 PM
Two sending offs in the closing stages, and Dublin down to 14 men too. Was the ref overly fussy?

Ruraí Kavanagh hit a lad, and a Dub came in as third man and flattened him, so got a straight red. Kavanagh was lucky enough to just get a yellow card that time, but picked up a second later on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 07, 2023, 12:04:35 PM
Celtic Challenge Quarter Final

Tipperary 12-20 Laois 0-09

Why are we sending young lads out to get absolutely slaughtered

its doing them absolutely no good
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on May 23, 2023, 08:47:51 AM
Portarlington's minor hurling resuls are very impressive. Fair play to the people involved. And they seem to be doing OK at under 15 and under 13 too. It would be great if an adult club got going in that corner of the county rather than seeing the young lads either give it up or get siphoned off by the more traditional clubs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 23, 2023, 09:11:29 AM
Quote from: The PRO on May 23, 2023, 08:47:51 AM
Portarlington's minor hurling resuls are very impressive. Fair play to the people involved. And they seem to be doing OK at under 15 and under 13 too. It would be great if an adult club got going in that corner of the county rather than seeing the young lads either give it up or get siphoned off by the more traditional clubs.

Some great hurling people in Port doing a great job. Fair play to them.

On a worrying note, i see our U15s were beaten by Kildare at the weekend.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on May 23, 2023, 10:29:17 AM
You cannot call any loss to a Kildare juvenile team a surprise any longer. The number of clubs playing hurling within Kildare has exploded in the last decade. Some of their clubs have shown at juvenile level that they can be very competitive against Kilkenny sides. With Kildare's population and interest in hurling rapidly growing it would be no surprise to see Kildare winning a Joe McDonagh Cup in the next 10 years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 23, 2023, 02:08:18 PM
Quote from: The PRO on May 23, 2023, 08:47:51 AM
Portarlington's minor hurling resuls are very impressive. Fair play to the people involved. And they seem to be doing OK at under 15 and under 13 too. It would be great if an adult club got going in that corner of the county rather than seeing the young lads either give it up or get siphoned off by the more traditional clubs.

Just had a look at Port's Juvenile Hurling Results

In the Minor B they are top of the league table and headed for a Minor B league Hurling Final

In the u15 B, they are 5 from 5 and will top their group

In the u13 B, They are 5 from 6 and will finish second in that league

Potentially they will be in all 3 underage B Hurling League finals

just goes to show what committed hurling people, good parents and young lads willing to work at the game can do in any "football" club

Well done Portarlington

they should be an inspiration for others

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on May 23, 2023, 05:40:53 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 23, 2023, 09:11:29 AM
Quote from: The PRO on May 23, 2023, 08:47:51 AM
Portarlington's minor hurling resuls are very impressive. Fair play to the people involved. And they seem to be doing OK at under 15 and under 13 too. It would be great if an adult club got going in that corner of the county rather than seeing the young lads either give it up or get siphoned off by the more traditional clubs.

Some great hurling people in Port doing a great job. Fair play to them.

On a worrying note, i see our U15s were beaten by Kildare at the weekend.

I read on another thread that laois u15s beat limerick at the weekend. 2 different squads? Was it the second team lost narrowly to kildare?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 23, 2023, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: mcwregor on May 23, 2023, 05:40:53 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on May 23, 2023, 09:11:29 AM
Quote from: The PRO on May 23, 2023, 08:47:51 AM
Portarlington's minor hurling resuls are very impressive. Fair play to the people involved. And they seem to be doing OK at under 15 and under 13 too. It would be great if an adult club got going in that corner of the county rather than seeing the young lads either give it up or get siphoned off by the more traditional clubs.

Some great hurling people in Port doing a great job. Fair play to them.

On a worrying note, i see our U15s were beaten by Kildare at the weekend.

I read on another thread that laois u15s beat limerick at the weekend. 2 different squads? Was it the second team lost narrowly to kildare?

Possibly ... hopefully.

That Limerick result is a good one but what squad did Limerick send out against us.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on May 24, 2023, 11:59:37 AM
I think Laois had two squads divided evenly play against two Limerick sides- I don't know the standard of the sides Limerick sent out. Won one and lost one but both games close. Good for morale. The Laois U20 side of this year defeated Limerick at U15 level in the Arrabawn five years ago. It is a pity that team did not progress as they might have been expected to- seeing Offaly in an All-Ireland U20 final shows what is possible with a bit of luck, S&C and good coaching all the way up. Hopefully these lads get the support they need over the next few years to develop.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 24, 2023, 04:13:07 PM
Limerick played Laois u15 in the Centre of Excellence back in early April,they brought 2 teams and handed out 2 unmerciful beatings to both Laois teams that day
So its had to know if Laois have improved or Limerick rejigged their team to face them in Limerick last week

Laois had 2 teams out last weekend

One beaten by Kildare and One who beat Limerick

From what I seen of those Laois u15's Id have major worries for that group going forward, the Coaching and General Set Up just doesn't seem up to it, in comparison to what they are facing in other Counties.

We will find out where they are at,when the Arrabawn Tournament is played in July
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on May 25, 2023, 10:02:56 AM
Ive heard decent reports of the Setanta programme with regards to numbers and effort being put in by both mentors and Players. Seems to be a very clear and well setup pathway to Co development squads. The goodwill is there if there's a proper plan in place. Apparently every player is being assessed over a number of skills and this recorded and dealt with over a 3/ 4 year period till they're ready for development squads. Credit to whoever is driving it
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on May 25, 2023, 02:09:12 PM
This is currently done and ran by volunteers.... Not full time staff. It's fine now but the volunteers will get fed up, changes to work etc and it'll all fall down again. The actual structures are not coming from the County Board. They are coming from a man who has decided in his own head enoigh is enough. Unfortunately it's a short term option
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on May 25, 2023, 08:43:20 PM
I'd say fair play to them. It'll require a huge amount of volunteers to run it anyway long term but there will have to be a paid fella or lady put in there full time to oversee the thing cos as you say people will get tired after a few years of it
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on May 31, 2023, 06:35:44 PM
I Was at a lot of U15 games this year so far between league and the feile some fine hurlers from a lot of clubs. Castletown are back strong again harps strong plus a lot more. Would now be the time to pull 30 plus of these lads together get a top management team in place and plan for the minor leinster championship in 2 years time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2023, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: Laois man on May 31, 2023, 06:35:44 PM
I Was at a lot of U15 games this year so far between league and the feile some fine hurlers from a lot of clubs. Castletown are back strong again harps strong plus a lot more. Would now be the time to pull 30 plus of these lads together get a top management team in place and plan for the minor leinster championship in 2 years time.

Looking in at that u15 grade this year there's the potential to turn that age group into something similar to the minor team of 2022 in 2 years time

But I feel the opposite will happen

Firstly it took nearly 7 months of begging last year from the County board before any sign of a management team was put in place

It was May last year when that happened every other county was up and running since October/November

I'm loathe to criticise the lads that stuck their heads above the parapet but from what I'm hearing is there are struggles with basic organisation

The training that I've seen taking place consists of 15 v 15 games and hurl away yourselves lads and backs v forwards

Nothing in the way of direction and/or spot and fix

No goalkeeper training

And lads hurling corner backs with their clubs now hurling corner forwards with the county,I have the suspicion that the lads over them don't actually watch too many club u15 games.

I've watched probably 10/12 sessions in passing in the last 12 months

I'd definitely retain the lads that are there currently but they need a top class coach and manger to come in and put a structure on things and provide direction

Otherwise this will be another group of lads who won't fulfill their obvious potential


The u14 group by comparison don't seem to have the organisational issues but in another year they will need similar specialist coaching assistance.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
Roughly how much do you think it would cost for a really decent coach for these lads?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2023, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
Roughly how much do you think it would cost for a really decent coach for these lads?

It's one thing finding and  paying a top end coach but your also looking at a support staff also

Top end Minor teams could have anything from 6 to 14 people who are also excellent in their areas of expertise



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 04:48:33 PM
But wouldn't most of these 6-14 people be volunteers at this level? Maybe the County Board could run some courses to build up skills for these volunteers? I'm still not really understanding why we're so far behind or why our volunteers are of lower quality than other counties?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2023, 05:54:59 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 04:48:33 PM
But wouldn't most of these 6-14 people be volunteers at this level? Maybe the County Board could run some courses to build up skills for these volunteers? I'm still not really understanding why we're so far behind or why our volunteers are of lower quality than other counties?

Of course many would be voluntary but it's a big commitment on their part and is the enthusiasm there at the minute ?

Is the budget or support there either ?

You made an excellent point about training up people,Is the forward planning on the part of the county board there to do this in evidence?

I know a father of a lad who will be playing in the minor final this weekend and the level of planning attention to detail and player development for the past 2 years would stun you.

And this is one age grade

You have u14/15/16/celtic challenge plus all the schools pulling their weight and then minors being put up into an even higher level of excellence with an u20 set up
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 09:00:07 PM
If you say that there is a good crop of kids at u15 level this year, I would absolutely believe it.

You'd hope that this fact would increase the level of enthusiasm and the support of the county board and others. If not, then we're really going nowhere at all.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2023, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 09:00:07 PM
If you say that there is a good crop of kids at u15 level this year, I would absolutely believe it.

You'd hope that this fact would increase the level of enthusiasm and the support of the county board and others. If not, then we're really going nowhere at all.

I'd also think we have the raw material too at u14 but it need to be coached and developed otherwise it will wither on the vine

There's been a few of examples in recent years of very competitive laois teams at u14/15 and it based on raw talent

Then the other counties coaching and s&c programs kick in and those laois teams get left behind
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 02, 2023, 01:42:06 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
Roughly how much do you think it would cost for a really decent coach for these lads?

€60k-€100k a year

It costs to run a successful intercounty minor hurling team

I asked 2 people in 2 separate counties that would have been involved with teams that played in minor all ireland very recently and that's what they came back with

When those 2 teams were u15 you were looking at costs of €40k-50k that year
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on June 02, 2023, 02:40:29 PM
youd wunder where our asociation is gone wen youre spendin a hundred grand to win an u17 medal
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on June 02, 2023, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 02, 2023, 01:42:06 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
Roughly how much do you think it would cost for a really decent coach for these lads?

€60k-€100k a year

It costs to run a successful intercounty minor hurling team

I asked 2 people in 2 separate counties that would have been involved with teams that played in minor all ireland very recently and that's what they came back with

When those 2 teams were u15 you were looking at costs of €40k-50k that year

Its crazy money to be competitive at underage level. I live in Dublin these days and I know from chatting to fellas out and about at underage club games that to the money involved in running things in Dublin for u13 development squads to the u17 panel is about 170/200k a year. Obviously, we wouldn't compare to Dublin as they are trying to coach/manager a much larger playing pool, but we would be looking at over a 100k a year if we were to have a similar operation in place from u13 level through to u17.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on June 02, 2023, 11:40:41 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 02, 2023, 01:42:06 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on June 01, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
Roughly how much do you think it would cost for a really decent coach for these lads?

€60k-€100k a year

It costs to run a successful intercounty minor hurling team

I asked 2 people in 2 separate counties that would have been involved with teams that played in minor all ireland very recently and that's what they came back with

When those 2 teams were u15 you were looking at costs of €40k-50k that year

This is really good information.

Let's imagine that our county board are only spending half the amount of the top counties. So in order to really compete, we'd need to come up with about EUR 20,000 for our talented u-15s to give them a chance to compete. Wouldn't it be possible to get say 4 businesses in the country to become the sponsors of that particular talented group and follow them up through the ranks? I think people would be interested in getting behind a particular team. I really don't think that would take too much effort. But of course the volunteers would have to be properly respected and supported too. This really should be possible.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on June 03, 2023, 07:32:41 PM
Now let's imagine your a business person and Laois GAA approach you for the 20k. Think about it and look at the people who would be asking you.

Chairperson - PJ Kelly, I can't think of one positive thing he has done in his role as Chairperson. No leadership or personality. Look across the border and see the influence Michael Duignan has had.

Hurling GDA - Declan Buggy, I don't know anything about him so I can't comment. I've heard some positive things from his previous job.

Football GDA - Donie Brennan, less said the better (represents alot of what's wrong with Laois GAA)

Head of S&C - Tom Hargroves, ran out of Tipp for running a very poor, laughable program with their senior hurlers. Their conditioning this year is chalk and cheese with last years. Just look at our senior footballers and how far they look off the pace from the middle of the road teams this year.

If 3 out of 4 of these people approached me I'd run a mile. No inspiration or initiative between them. Until we remove the deadwood and get passionate, progressive people involved we are wasting our time. We need to make Laois GAA a fashionable product and look at it as a business people want to investinandbe part of. If as it is in its current state is the best we can do, I certainly wouldn't be investing.

I'm just fed up of the whole thing and being bottom of the barrel. We will realistically never win an all ireland but we can be competitive and give people something to support and that kids want to be part of but right now, no chance. We are facilitating GAA not promoting it. Disillusioned with the whole thing.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadsane on June 03, 2023, 07:43:26 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2022/11/22/new-look-laois-gaa-jersey-for-2023-season-with-new-sponsor-revealed/

Couldn't agree more regarding our chairman. He references 'ambitious plans' in our sponsorship deal with laois hire, however from what I've heard, it's worse it's getting. Clear out needed from top to bottom. We seem to be a county paying lip service to the GAA.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on June 03, 2023, 09:28:20 PM
Wildflowers and LED lighting is the plan. And something about the teams at the end.. Very inspirational.

Still I think there is an opportunity to get further support, if it's needed, from small or medium-sized enterprises to support specific teams, especially at underage level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 12, 2023, 02:23:04 PM
Another excellent idea from Offaly

Every player has the opportunity to work with Offaly Coaches

https://twitter.com/offaly_gaa/status/1668225281700634626?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on June 24, 2023, 04:15:55 PM
Harps u15s thru to Division 2 feile final after beating kilcormac/kiloughey in the semi final. Hopefully they can see it out.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on June 27, 2023, 09:38:49 AM
Well done to Borris on a great performance at the Feile. The Laois teams seem to have done well in general.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on June 27, 2023, 12:07:46 PM
Devastating news emerging from The Harps. Deepest sympathies to everybody concerned.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on June 27, 2023, 02:39:39 PM
Shocking news RIP
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on June 28, 2023, 03:28:43 PM
Our thoughts are with the Deegan family and all associated with Harps GAA.

On a separate note, with the fallout from the footballers embarrassment in croke park at the weekend there are serious questions being asked of the co board.
I do expect some bit of joined up thinking meetings/forums/plans to take place. They simply just cannot ignore the current demise and apathy towards or county teams.

In all of this the hurling clubs need to be strong and vocal as i could easily see a plan for laois football being drawn up and hurling left to die a slow death.
We need to make sure hurling is part of any revolution, if there is one.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on June 28, 2023, 04:33:24 PM
Ah god . Deepest condolences to his family. Saw him hurling last year. Lovely person and family . RIP young man .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 07, 2023, 11:19:10 PM
Big win for Camross tonight in Div 1 final much better work rate than Cbolla.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 21, 2023, 03:31:16 PM
Has the new hurling GDA who was appointed back in March already left his position?

That's hardly the case is it ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 23, 2023, 07:55:52 AM
Great win for the u15 hurling team in the arawbawn today in Galway v Galway first team.
It about time we stopped bitching about this management and team and row in to help
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on July 23, 2023, 09:10:17 AM
Any indeed who management are or the make up of the team? Well done to all.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 24, 2023, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 23, 2023, 07:55:52 AM
Great win for the u15 hurling team in the arawbawn today in Galway v Galway first team.
It about time we stopped bitching about this management and team and row in to help

Not trying to be negative here but are you sure that was the Laois A team against the Galway A team. From what I saw of both squads last year, we wouldn't keep it pucked out to the Galway A team. I hope it's true though.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on July 24, 2023, 01:26:14 PM
Also not trying to take away from a good win but im fairly sure laois are operating in the b competition. Id imagine that's galways 2nd/3rd string?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on July 24, 2023, 02:25:42 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 23, 2023, 07:55:52 AM
Great win for the u15 hurling team in the arawbawn today in Galway v Galway first team.
It about time we stopped bitching about this management and team and row in to help

I don't think that was Galway's first team. I think we were in the B division of the tournament this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 24, 2023, 05:07:33 PM
Lads it a dreadful when so called Laois Gaels come on here to run down there own

Tells alot about the issue in the county.
Get off the keyboards and into coaching In the fields

Just got the fixtures for the arawbawn attaching them later for the craic.

As you can clearly see it's Galway 1 against laois
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 24, 2023, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 24, 2023, 05:07:33 PM
Lads it a dreadful when so called Laois Gaels come on here to run down there own

Tells alot about the issue in the county.
Get off the keyboards and into coaching In the fields

Just got the fixtures for the arawbawn attaching them later for the craic.

As you can clearly see it's Galway 1 against laois

2 posts in and you slating lads that have and are involved with their clubs and have made valuable contributions here online to try and address issues

If you are such a man in the know

Maybe you can tell us why the best hurler in the county at his age grade from Castletown has walked from this set up ?

Answer that and I'll have a few more questions for you
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 24, 2023, 09:03:15 PM
   Arrabawn B QF   

   Galway 1 v Laois   
   Galway 2 v Dublin 2   
   Dublin 1 v Tipperary 2   O'Toole Park Crumlin
   Kilkenny 2 v Offaly 1   
      
  i dont think you understand what is need in Laois Hurling . keyboard warriors are not the answer . putting half truths out to there thinking this is a answer is dreaming .sorry in my late reply i am just back from coaching two hurling sessions to juveniles. i was involved with this current team but had to leave due to time commitments . the player you speak of was never even in the top 5 while i was there just like other members of his family he decided Laois was not what he wanted . he wasn't begged back as why should he be ?? the management moved on and built a stronger team . he certainty wasn't a team player .

my interest in the future of Laois Hurling. just seen this some time ago and it drives me mad when people put half untruths up to suit there agenda ??  this team(the first team) yes have lost to limerick and dublin in challenge game but gone on to beat limerick in limerick and galway in galway,destory antrim in antrim although i am not involved i still keep a keen eye on this squad . there second team are not bad hurlers but find it hard to string win together , you should really contact Shane keegan because i know this management panel are always looking for help to drive thing on

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on July 24, 2023, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 24, 2023, 09:03:15 PM
   Arrabawn B QF   

   Galway 1 v Laois   
   Galway 2 v Dublin 2   
   Dublin 1 v Tipperary 2   O'Toole Park Crumlin
   Kilkenny 2 v Offaly 1   
      
  i dont think you understand what is need in Laois Hurling . keyboard warriors are not the answer . putting half truths out to there thinking this is a answer is dreaming .sorry in my late reply i am just back from coaching two hurling sessions to juveniles. i was involved with this current team but had to leave due to time commitments . the player you speak of was never even in the top 5 while i was there just like other members of his family he decided Laois was not what he wanted . he wasn't begged back as why should he be ?? the management moved on and built a stronger team . he certainty wasn't a team player .

my interest in the future of Laois Hurling. just seen this some time ago and it drives me mad when people put half untruths up to suit there agenda ??  this team(the first team) yes have lost to limerick and dublin in challenge game but gone on to beat limerick in limerick and galway in galway,destory antrim in antrim although i am not involved i still keep a keen eye on this squad . there second team are not bad hurlers but find it hard to string win together , you should really contact Shane keegan because i know this management panel are always looking for help to drive thing on

Was listening to Eamonn O Shea the other night about trying to create the idea that the county team should be elite at all levels and the players should feel it. While I applaud people like yourself for the time you are putting in, the post above doesn't seem like an elite way of managing young players (and I'm saying this without knowing any of the details or the people involved).

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 26, 2023, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 24, 2023, 09:03:15 PM
   Arrabawn B QF   

   Galway 1 v Laois   
   Galway 2 v Dublin 2   
   Dublin 1 v Tipperary 2   O'Toole Park Crumlin
   Kilkenny 2 v Offaly 1   
      
  i dont think you understand what is need in Laois Hurling . keyboard warriors are not the answer . putting half truths out to there thinking this is a answer is dreaming .sorry in my late reply i am just back from coaching two hurling sessions to juveniles. i was involved with this current team but had to leave due to time commitments . the player you speak of was never even in the top 5 while i was there just like other members of his family he decided Laois was not what he wanted . he wasn't begged back as why should he be ?? the management moved on and built a stronger team . he certainty wasn't a team player .

my interest in the future of Laois Hurling. just seen this some time ago and it drives me mad when people put half untruths up to suit there agenda ??  this team(the first team) yes have lost to limerick and dublin in challenge game but gone on to beat limerick in limerick and galway in galway,destory antrim in antrim although i am not involved i still keep a keen eye on this squad . there second team are not bad hurlers but find it hard to string win together , you should really contact Shane keegan because i know this management panel are always looking for help to drive thing on

Expressing doubt over the reality of a result is not being negative. I am not a keyboard warrior and I seldom have a personal go at anyone on here. Also, I purposely stated I wasn't being negative, I was just curious as to how our lads could beat Galway's best team. Galway won their section of the Tony Forristal last year while Laois got nowhere in the B and suffered such results in some games as to cause an outcry here (rightly).
For example. I was in the COE when this squad played Kilkenny last year. Kilkenny absolutely riddled our lads and as the game went on they simply couldn't weaken their team anymore. All the subs were put on and corner backs plus the goalie put in the forwards, everything, but still no let up in the one way traffic. It was embarrassing and I felt sorry for the young lads.  I subsequently found out that this was a Kilkenny B trial team who had a number of players on the day who didn't even make their B squad. Earlier that year in one of the Leinster blitzes, Kilkenny and Galway played each other with both counties having 3 even teams, 72 players each. Both teams played 2 games (6 games in total). Both counties won 2 games with 2 being drawn. That would suggest to me that Galway and Kilkenny are very evenly matched. Hence my suspicion.
Just because a team is named as Galway 1 doesn't mean it's their A team.
I'd be pretty certain that our U15s are nowhere near the level of Galway. We'll wait for the next couple of minor championships to prove that. I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 26, 2023, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on July 26, 2023, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 24, 2023, 09:03:15 PM
   Arrabawn B QF   

   Galway 1 v Laois   
   Galway 2 v Dublin 2   
   Dublin 1 v Tipperary 2   O'Toole Park Crumlin
   Kilkenny 2 v Offaly 1   
      
  i dont think you understand what is need in Laois Hurling . keyboard warriors are not the answer . putting half truths out to there thinking this is a answer is dreaming .sorry in my late reply i am just back from coaching two hurling sessions to juveniles. i was involved with this current team but had to leave due to time commitments . the player you speak of was never even in the top 5 while i was there just like other members of his family he decided Laois was not what he wanted . he wasn't begged back as why should he be ?? the management moved on and built a stronger team . he certainty wasn't a team player .

my interest in the future of Laois Hurling. just seen this some time ago and it drives me mad when people put half untruths up to suit there agenda ??  this team(the first team) yes have lost to limerick and dublin in challenge game but gone on to beat limerick in limerick and galway in galway,destory antrim in antrim although i am not involved i still keep a keen eye on this squad . there second team are not bad hurlers but find it hard to string win together , you should really contact Shane keegan because i know this management panel are always looking for help to drive thing on

Expressing doubt over the reality of a result is not being negative. I am not a keyboard warrior and I seldom have a personal go at anyone on here. Also, I purposely stated I wasn't being negative, I was just curious as to how our lads could beat Galway's best team. Galway won their section of the Tony Forristal last year while Laois got nowhere in the B and suffered such results in some games as to cause an outcry here (rightly).
For example. I was in the COE when this squad played Kilkenny last year. Kilkenny absolutely riddled our lads and as the game went on they simply couldn't weaken their team anymore. All the subs were put on and corner backs plus the goalie put in the forwards, everything, but still no let up in the one way traffic. It was embarrassing and I felt sorry for the young lads.  I subsequently found out that this was a Kilkenny B trial team who had a number of players on the day who didn't even make their B squad. Earlier that year in one of the Leinster blitzes, Kilkenny and Galway played each other with both counties having 3 even teams, 72 players each. Both teams played 2 games (6 games in total). Both counties won 2 games with 2 being drawn. That would suggest to me that Galway and Kilkenny are very evenly matched. Hence my suspicion.
Just because a team is named as Galway 1 doesn't mean it's their A team.
I'd be pretty certain that our U15s are nowhere near the level of Galway. We'll wait for the next couple of minor championships to prove that. I hope I'm wrong.

Excellent informed Post

Lads coming on here telling us it's all rosey in the garden when it so patently isn't and most of us involved also at the coal face of Juvenile Hurling and Football

We won't have to wait for the minor championship

The Arrabawn Competition is on in Tipperary on the 26th of August this Year

24 teams involved

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on July 26, 2023, 05:30:47 PM
Maybe I'm getting my wires crossed but didn't someone on here say not long ago that we have a very talented bunch of u-15s this year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 26, 2023, 07:09:43 PM
Look your opinion of this team has been so negative from your first post.
For such an informed man you clearly leave out so much information
You talk of this team at last year level . this team started out last year as 4 divisional teams .
They played other county teams while in this format
The  team reached the semi final of the Tony forrisal after beating cork and Wexford in Waterford lost to Tipperary who I believe won the competition out.
My point is if you have all the information why not put that up the positive aspects,.your comments are all so negative.
As I said my agenda is for development of this team and other underage teams in the county.i know that the management team are really struggling to get people to help out with mid week sessions. They train from 11 until 1.30 in the Coe on Tuesday. They also train every Saturday morning.
I will certainly try and make it down to Tipperary to support the lads.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 26, 2023, 08:59:58 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 26, 2023, 07:09:43 PM
Look your opinion of this team has been so negative from your first post.
For such an informed man you clearly leave out so much information
You talk of this team at last year level . this team started out last year as 4 divisional teams .
They played other county teams while in this format
The  team reached the semi final of the Tony forrisal after beating cork and Wexford in Waterford lost to Tipperary who I believe won the competition out.
My point is if you have all the information why not put that up the positive aspects,.your comments are all so negative.
As I said my agenda is for development of this team and other underage teams in the county.i know that the management team are really struggling to get people to help out with mid week sessions. They train from 11 until 1.30 in the Coe on Tuesday. They also train every Saturday morning.
I will certainly try and make it down to Tipperary to support the lads.

I suspected you were a bluffer but you've convinced me now

Laois weren't good enough to play in the Tony Forristal last year

Tipp beat Waterford 2 in 1 semi and Kilkenny beat Waterford 1 in the other

Tipp beat KK in the Final

The Forristal Shield Final was between Wexford and Cork which Wexford Won.

Laois played in the Sonny Walsh which is for the next 16 teams in the Country

Results here

Were

Laois 1 0-07 Tipperary 3 12-08

Laois 2 2-10 Tipperary 2 7-15

Wexford 2 3-11 Laois 2 2-08

Kerry won the Walsh Shield

Cork won the Walsh Cup



Trials were based on 4 divisional teams which were shambolic in their organization and they were whittled down to 40 odd lads



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on July 26, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Reading this thread with interest as I genuinely care about the state of Laois hurling. Often I read two people disagreeing on forums and I can cobble together the gist of the overall story as people will have share a common thread on details, facts, information (without actually agreeing).
However I have NEVER seen posters post such diametrically opposite details with both adamant they are correct. Can anyone corroborate either reports of results in Tony Forristal etc. ??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 26, 2023, 09:37:04 PM
My friend as I have already said laois played as divisional teams for a period last year so that was laois east,west , north,and South these teams played in the games approaching Tony forstell.
So laois played in the Sony Walsh.
Wexford played laois in the first game ls 5-11 wx 1.7

I have the team sheet here.i was there with the team . The email address for that laois team Is laoishurlingteam@gmail.com
If anyone wants to make contact I am sure the bluffer will be soon seen
I have and will continue to say that management need help if you are so good and knowledgeable why don't you help.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 26, 2023, 10:26:47 PM
Ah now I see what you are looking at laois second team results
Why don't you put laois first team results . ?
As i continue to say after the phase of 4 regional team laois split into two teams and continued in that format right up to now.
So you seem to giving the results and scores of the second team
I was with the first team in my time there.
Now I am done having pointless discussions its certainly not going t bring anything to this team or laois hurling
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 26, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 26, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Reading this thread with interest as I genuinely care about the state of Laois hurling. Often I read two people disagreeing on forums and I can cobble together the gist of the overall story as people will have share a common thread on details, facts, information (without actually agreeing).
However I have NEVER seen posters post such diametrically opposite details with both adamant they are correct. Can anyone corroborate either reports of results in Tony Forristal etc. ??

The Poster made the following comment

" The  team reached the semi final of the Tony forrisal after beating cork and Wexford in Waterford lost to Tipperary who I believe won the competition out."

You can verify whether he told the truth or not here

Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh Results 2022 results available below


https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563643591699836928?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563651881267863552?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on July 27, 2023, 07:52:33 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 26, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 26, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Reading this thread with interest as I genuinely care about the state of Laois hurling. Often I read two people disagreeing on forums and I can cobble together the gist of the overall story as people will have share a common thread on details, facts, information (without actually agreeing).
However I have NEVER seen posters post such diametrically opposite details with both adamant they are correct. Can anyone corroborate either reports of results in Tony Forristal etc. ??

The Poster made the following comment

" The  team reached the semi final of the Tony forrisal after beating cork and Wexford in Waterford lost to Tipperary who I believe won the competition out."

You can verify whether he told the truth or not here

Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh Results 2022 results available below


https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563643591699836928?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563651881267863552?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Thanks. Some questions on the structure of the current Forristal/Walsh Tournament.

My understanding is Forristal Cup is top, Forristal Shield is next and then Sonny Walsh tier 3. Why (in the results) are Wexford 2 in the Forristal Shield but Wexford 1 in the Sonny Walsh competition? I also see a Tipp 1 and 2 in the Sonny Walsh. Theres also a Tipp 1 in the Forristal.  Are they different teams? Should it read Tipp 1 in Forr and Tipp 2+3 in Sonny Walsh.

It just makes for unclear reading.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 27, 2023, 09:54:25 AM
Glad to clarify.
What went up on twitter was incorrect due to games had to be changed due to the death of Dylan quirke. As I said I was there what was put up on twitter was incorrect Tipperary and Wexford were in laois team one group. Hope that clear any confusion.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 27, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 27, 2023, 07:52:33 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 26, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 26, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Reading this thread with interest as I genuinely care about the state of Laois hurling. Often I read two people disagreeing on forums and I can cobble together the gist of the overall story as people will have share a common thread on details, facts, information (without actually agreeing).
However I have NEVER seen posters post such diametrically opposite details with both adamant they are correct. Can anyone corroborate either reports of results in Tony Forristal etc. ??

The Poster made the following comment

" The  team reached the semi final of the Tony forrisal after beating cork and Wexford in Waterford lost to Tipperary who I believe won the competition out."

You can verify whether he told the truth or not here

Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh Results 2022 results available below


https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563643591699836928?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563651881267863552?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Thanks. Some questions on the structure of the current Forristal/Walsh Tournament.

My understanding is Forristal Cup is top, Forristal Shield is next and then Sonny Walsh tier 3. Why (in the results) are Wexford 2 in the Forristal Shield but Wexford 1 in the Sonny Walsh competition? I also see a Tipp 1 and 2 in the Sonny Walsh. Theres also a Tipp 1 in the Forristal.  Are they different teams? Should it read Tipp 1 in Forr and Tipp 2+3 in Sonny Walsh.

It just makes for unclear reading.


The Tony Forristal is for the top teams.
The Sonny Walsh is made up of the second teams of the top counties plus some weaker counties.
Both the Forristal and Walsh cups have a shield for early round losers.
We have alternated between the Forristal and Walsh over the last number of years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Leixlad on July 27, 2023, 10:19:50 AM
I got a copy of this years u15 group results up to the Galway game (which i think was a playoff game post groups to determine final seedings for end of year tournament?)

John Doyle Group 4
Clare 2 1-08 V Limerick 2 1-08
Meath 1 4-09 V Laois 1 4-11
Clare 2 0-10 V Meath 1 1-12
Limerick 2 1-15 V Laois 1 2-21
Laois 1 1-09 V Clare 2 6-19
Meath 1 2-06 V Limerick 2 1-19

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 27, 2023, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 27, 2023, 07:52:33 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on July 26, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 26, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Reading this thread with interest as I genuinely care about the state of Laois hurling. Often I read two people disagreeing on forums and I can cobble together the gist of the overall story as people will have share a common thread on details, facts, information (without actually agreeing).
However I have NEVER seen posters post such diametrically opposite details with both adamant they are correct. Can anyone corroborate either reports of results in Tony Forristal etc. ??

The Poster made the following comment

" The  team reached the semi final of the Tony forrisal after beating cork and Wexford in Waterford lost to Tipperary who I believe won the competition out."

You can verify whether he told the truth or not here

Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh Results 2022 results available below


https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563643591699836928?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

https://twitter.com/tonyforristal/status/1563651881267863552?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

Thanks. Some questions on the structure of the current Forristal/Walsh Tournament.

My understanding is Forristal Cup is top, Forristal Shield is next and then Sonny Walsh tier 3. Why (in the results) are Wexford 2 in the Forristal Shield but Wexford 1 in the Sonny Walsh competition? I also see a Tipp 1 and 2 in the Sonny Walsh. Theres also a Tipp 1 in the Forristal.  Are they different teams? Should it read Tipp 1 in Forr and Tipp 2+3 in Sonny Walsh.

It just makes for unclear reading.

Forristal is Top tier

And splits into Cup and Shield

Sonny Walsh is second Tier

And also splits into Cup and Shield

The numbering of Teams can be confusing all right

Tipp 1 as per your example in the Forristal os their number 1 team

Tipp 1 in the walsh is their second squad and tipp 2 is their third squad

Laois had 2 squads in the Sonny walsh

Waterford had 2 squads make Forristal semi finals
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 27, 2023, 10:43:19 AM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 27, 2023, 09:54:25 AM
Glad to clarify.
What went up on twitter was incorrect due to games had to be changed due to the death of Dylan quirke. As I said I was there what was put up on twitter was incorrect Tipperary and Wexford were in laois team one group. Hope that clear any confusion.

Dillon Quirke died on the 5th of August last year

The Forristal and Walsh Conpetition took place on the 28th of August

Are you seriously telling us all that the Tony Forristal committee fabricated all its results,moved Laois out of the 16 team Forristal section,repeatedly put wrong results up then on social media and that no one challenged them ?

And that's even before we come to the spectators who witnessed the actual games ?


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on July 27, 2023, 11:29:37 AM
Quote from: Leixlad on July 27, 2023, 10:19:50 AM
I got a copy of this years u15 group results up to the Galway game (which i think was a playoff game post groups to determine final seedings for end of year tournament?)

John Doyle Group 4
Clare 2 1-08 V Limerick 2 1-08
Meath 1 4-09 V Laois 1 4-11
Clare 2 0-10 V Meath 1 1-12
Limerick 2 1-15 V Laois 1 2-21
Laois 1 1-09 V Clare 2 6-19
Meath 1 2-06 V Limerick 2 1-19

Theres being negative and then theres reality.
So the reality is Clare's second string beat us by 25 points? Or am I missing something?
Regardless we are competing in the B competition in most of these development squad tournaments
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 27, 2023, 03:17:45 PM
As Laoislad put up the results of this year competition .
Exactly as I said before . We best Limerick in Limerick lost to Clare but this was on the weekend that feile competition was played so we were missing alot of the team .
My post started by remarking how well our u15 done at the weekend by beating Galway 1 in Galway.
I have checked in with the management and no one has approached them with a view of helping out.
Tells alot about some of the knowledge men
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on July 27, 2023, 05:19:20 PM
It shouldn't be too much for the Laois GAA website to publish these results as a matter of course.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 27, 2023, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: Hurling123 on July 27, 2023, 03:17:45 PM
As Laoislad put up the results of this year competition .
Exactly as I said before . We best Limerick in Limerick lost to Clare but this was on the weekend that feile competition was played so we were missing alot of the team .
My post started by remarking how well our u15 done at the weekend by beating Galway 1 in Galway.
I have checked in with the management and no one has approached them with a view of helping out.
Tells alot about some of the knowledge men


So you're happy enough to acknowledge my point that a team named Galway 1 isn't necessary Galway's A team??#

Also, how do you know that some of us aren't or haven't been involved with our squads. Development Squads didn't start when you got involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Hurling123 on July 27, 2023, 08:03:22 PM
/U15          
Arrabawn A QF   Score              Arrabawn B QF   Score
Limerick v Clare   4-22 3-14              Galway 1 v Laois   3-17 3-18
Tipperary v Cork 2   1-22 2-10      Galway 2 v Dublin 2   5-21 0-07
Wexford v Waterford   1-16 0-21       Dublin 1 v Tipperary 2   
Cork 1 v Kilkenny   3-18 1-19     Kilkenny 2 v Offaly 1   7-18 1-18
   
copy and paste from the score at weekend
if you believe that Galway put there second team out against Laois and there first team v Dublin 2 fire away who am i to argue with you. as you see Galway have only two teams in the competition.
i certainly see it as a good win for a Laois team.

Certainly hope they put in a good performance the next day out.
as per previous post Tony Forristal and sonny walsh placings are based on results up to that date in the u14 competition along with the fact how your county preformed the previous year. Laois had decided to play the early round of this competition using divisional team.
North laois, South laois , east laois and West laois .so both laois south would play one half and north the second half(and vice versa for the other laois  team West and east) it was to try and get as many involved as possible it didnt work out to well.  laois had intended to play the last two rounds as academy teams A and B .
the last date to qualify for Tony F and Sonny walsh was due to be held in thurles on the 6th of august , on friday night Declan Quirke lost his life.Rip
the format was changed from the original fixture because there was no  means of telling where team stood .hence laois 1 played cork first won by 2 points played wexford next and won well . 
as per my reaching out to you to get involved i don't doubt you may have been involved before but maybe if you care so much now's the time to get involved again ??if this u15 team has some future we all need to help ???
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on July 27, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
Is it just me or is all that very confusing?
1) Is Galway 1 their best 15 and galway 2 their second string? Or are they 2 teams divided evenly?
2) Are the first games on each line the A quarter finals and the second game on each line the B comp?
3) if no 2 is the case then had galway 2 teams in the b comp?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on July 27, 2023, 11:45:19 PM
Without meaning it to be insulting but everytime @Hurling123 adds something I get even more confused 😕
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on July 27, 2023, 11:49:00 PM
Lots of waffle posted here
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 28, 2023, 12:57:50 AM
Quote from: Batman!!! on July 27, 2023, 11:49:00 PM
Lots of waffle posted here

The results from last years Tony Forristal and Sonny Walsh which I linked to,in a previous post don't lie

The results from this years Arrabawn u15 competition being played the end of August won't lie either

I have spoken to a few people in the past few days given the posts here from Hurling123 that are a lot closer to the u15's that what I would be

The difference between the u15 Hurling and Football set ups this year are night and day in terms of coaching,communication and organisation

The u15 hurlers have undoubted potential but the set up is shambolic

I witnessed it a few months back v Limerick in the CoE

I've also been in on other business and stood and watched training sessions which consisted of laps,backs and forwards and the 3 mentors chatting amongst themselves with no input or direction or coaching towards the players

If you don't believe me ,I'd ask you all to look into the u15 hurling set up and draw your own conclusions

I also am led to believe the u14 Hurling Squad is well organised.



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 28, 2023, 09:54:57 AM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on July 27, 2023, 11:45:19 PM
Without meaning it to be insulting but everytime @Hurling123 adds something I get even more confused 😕

Thanks be to jaysus there's someone else. I thought it was just me.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on July 28, 2023, 03:26:41 PM
U14 Hurling Squad had one mentor with them only in Thurles last weekend,
Farcical set up too from the word go
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 28, 2023, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: Ogie on July 28, 2023, 03:26:41 PM
U14 Hurling Squad had one mentor with them only in Thurles last weekend,
Farcical set up too from the word go

Sweet Jesus
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on August 01, 2023, 09:32:15 PM
One mentor can't be with a team on his own anymore Gaa rules every club knows that so how's is this happening?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2023, 02:38:12 PM
Result from the Arrabawn B  Cup  Semi Final Competition played in Cappawhite this morning

This would be the third level of the competition after the A Cup and Shield

Laois first Team v the Galway third team.

Laois 0:09
Galway 5:25

https://twitter.com/tipperarybng/status/1695399645340451191

https://twitter.com/tipperarybng/status/1695420272818401427?s=20



Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on August 26, 2023, 07:15:37 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on August 26, 2023, 02:38:12 PM
Result from the Arrabawn B  Cup  Semi Final Competition played in Cappawhite this morning

This would be the third level of the competition after the A Cup and Shield

Laois first Team v the Galway third team.

Laois 0:09
Galway 5:25

https://twitter.com/tipperarybng/status/1695399645340451191

https://twitter.com/tipperarybng/status/1695420272818401427?s=20

As expected by those who know. And we were led to believe that Laois were better than Galway.

Some lads need to realise that it is better to say nothing and let people think you're stupid than to speak and remove all doubt.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2023, 09:15:26 PM
Laois then played  in the B Cup third and fourth place playoff against Kilkenny's second team

Laois 3-08
Kilkenny 8-19

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on August 27, 2023, 10:02:40 PM
https://x.com/laoisgaels/status/1695799683371671760?s=46&t=grubKL1RsOWb2cojdN51-Q
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 27, 2023, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on August 27, 2023, 10:02:40 PM
https://x.com/laoisgaels/status/1695799683371671760?s=46&t=grubKL1RsOWb2cojdN51-Q

The second team didn't play in the Arrabawn finals in Tipperary as they didn't qualify for the semifinals at any level.

The second team played in Dublin yesterday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on August 30, 2023, 11:31:57 AM
These development squad results are very worrying. We are so far off the pace now even a monumental effort from all people involved couldnt arrest this slide. That's if there was ever a monumental effort made. Can see that happening. In addition are laois gaels masking the slide by putting up misleading posts of academy squad development? A semi final appearance against galway in the arrabawn cup would lead you to believe that we made the last 4 of the top teams in the country. From talking to people and reading this forum it is no surprise that we are where we are.
For the next two years we should be highly competitive at county under 20 level. While a lot of people were disappointed at losing to Westmeath this year I would point out that approx 11 players that saw action that evening are eligible to play u20 next year.
There needed to be a serious management team put in place. Considering the flak the county board have taken over the past few months they need to get a bounce out of some team next year. It needed to be an ultra-professional set up with a comprehensive S&C winter programme in order to bulk up to the physical levels required at this level. Unfortunately I am not convinced with the management team put in place. I have absolutely nothing against any of them and I am sure they are all good lads at a certain level but you would have to question what experience they have and what they have achieved to date. No doubt the county board would hit back with 'they were the best available from those who applied for the job'! Instead of putting a plan in place to search for and get the best man/men they could for the job(inside or outside the county). As things stand, In my view this team is more important than the senior team. Reason being if they are managed and developed properly they might have the potential to improve our fortunes somewhat at senior level in the next few years. The current senior hurling team have a ceiling on the level that they can achieve. Joe McDonagh is there for them alright but how much can they progress beyond that?
The lack of ambition or forward planning is depressing.
From last year's team the following are eligible;
Tom Cuddy
Cathal Cuddy
Aaron Phelan
Joe Pearson
Ciaran Flynn
Bobby Murphy
Cody Comerford
Brian Duggan
Jer Quinlan
Colin Byrne
Brochan O'Reilly
James Cuddy

Add in;
Cormac Hogan
Ciaran McKelvey
Jack Breen
Diarmuid Dooley
Jimmy Hyland
Eoghan Murphy
Cormac Byrne
Justin Duggan

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on August 30, 2023, 12:29:45 PM
If the proper set up is not in place lads won't go in.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 30, 2023, 12:54:44 PM
In fairness to Damien Carter, he did an all right job with the minors this year. Sure, they didn't over-achieve, but in the year up to that they were getting beaten by the likes of Meath and Westmeath. So, getting to a quarter final and being sort of unlucky to lose against Dublin wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on August 30, 2023, 01:24:55 PM
Yes fair play to him they did ok.
I would just be hoping for a little more than ok for the u20s.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 30, 2023, 01:58:59 PM
I know - but my point was that he took a seemingly below par bunch and made them respectable. Maybe with a good group he'll get more out of them? He's been getting some good out of Mountmellick, too, this past couple of years. Again, they're hardly a renowned hurling centre. I wouldn't write him off completely is all I'm saying.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on August 30, 2023, 02:16:04 PM
Because the usual happened as with all Academy squads,
The job is advertised / emails sent out - Anyone interested and no one decent is head hunted for these jobs,
Similar with the 20s I believe Carter was the only applicant,
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on October 05, 2023, 06:17:44 PM
https://www.echolive.ie/corksport/arid-41239228.html
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 07, 2023, 04:01:22 PM
Wins for Raheen Parish Gaels and Portarlington in the minor 'B' final and shield final last night. RPG had 8 Clonad, 5 Emo lads, and 2 Colt-Shanahoe. They beat Na Fianna who had a majority of Mountmellick lads w/ a few from Ballyfin and Clonaslee. Bit of a row near the end of the Port. v Camross game, and there'd be no love lost between those two. You'd wonder where those Port. lads will end up. They'd love to get them through to adult, but I think the thing may have slipped a bit this year, and it'll be very hard for them to achieve that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on October 07, 2023, 05:48:27 PM
Have Colt Shanahoe many fellas 15-17 other than the 2 starting? Very poor representation from them.

What's the history of bad blood between Port & Camross?

You'd imagine Mountmellick would be a natural home for the Port lads if they can't get through to adult?

That's a lot of clubs together to put out two sets of 15 x 17 year olds.
It's a huge problem.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 07, 2023, 11:50:54 PM
Yes, Colt-Shanahoe have little enough coming through. It's amazing, really: very recently - as in a year or two before the join-up - each club would have fielded two teams, and now they can barely get two between them. I suppose that's one reason they amalgamated - they saw how little they had coming. Sadly, it doesn't really seem to have gelled all that well, and even a win in the replay will hardly give them much of a boost.

The bad blood between Port. and Camross goes back a couple of years when a prominent Port. player got a foot injury against Camross. Neither side would be known to be shrinking violets, in any case!

Na Fianna take Clonaslee because... where else would they go?! Weak and all as Rosenalis were at minor this year, they still couldn't be tempted, even though Clonaslee have a few decent players (three starting in the final last night).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on October 08, 2023, 07:56:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 07, 2023, 04:01:22 PMWins for Raheen Parish Gaels and Portarlington in the minor 'B' final and shield final last night. RPG had 8 Clonad, 5 Emo lads, and 2 Colt-Shanahoe.....
You'd wonder where those Port. lads will end up.
Wouldn't it be good for long term development of hurling to put the 5 Emo lads with the Portarlington lads and any other lads from O'Dempseys and Courtwood to form a parish adult hurling team?
There's already Fionn Holland, Dan McCormack hurling with Clonad. And a couple of Emo lads hurling with Mountmellick. There's one lad from Courtwood with Clonad. There's also a couple of Portarlington lads who were minor last year but not this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 08, 2023, 10:19:12 PM
I think there were overtures in that direction already, but they didn't get much traction. Hard to see lads already established with clubs switching. Also, not sure how well St. Paul's and Port. juvenile set-ups pulled together in the past. It would make sense, all right, but it'd be hard to achieve.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 08, 2023, 10:42:34 PM
Clonaslee going to Na Fianna doesn't make sense considering their players are passing through Rosenallis. Mountmellick have traditionally accommodated players players from Clonaslee because Rosenallis and Clonaslee can't work things out. Ballyfin's big problem is that a lot of their better players put rugby first.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on October 09, 2023, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: SCFC on October 08, 2023, 07:56:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 07, 2023, 04:01:22 PMWins for Raheen Parish Gaels and Portarlington in the minor 'B' final and shield final last night. RPG had 8 Clonad, 5 Emo lads, and 2 Colt-Shanahoe.....
You'd wonder where those Port. lads will end up.
Wouldn't it be good for long term development of hurling to put the 5 Emo lads with the Portarlington lads and any other lads from O'Dempseys and Courtwood to form a parish adult hurling team?
There's already Fionn Holland, Dan McCormack hurling with Clonad. And a couple of Emo lads hurling with Mountmellick. There's one lad from Courtwood with Clonad. There's also a couple of Portarlington lads who were minor last year but not this year.
wood have man wit camros too
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 09, 2023, 07:27:49 AM
I think you mean Camross have a man w/ Courtwood, no?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on October 09, 2023, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on October 09, 2023, 07:27:49 AMI think you mean Camross have a man w/ Courtwood, no?!
I'd forgotten about him! Robbie Boland of Courtwood hurled a number of times this year with Clonad in league.
Also, Paddy Hosey of Emo with Trumera.
And there's a couple of Portarlington lads who were minor last year but not this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jd on October 13, 2023, 08:40:58 PM
Actually I was talking to a lad in work about tyrrell
He went to Courtwood on a full transfer and is playing with camross as an isolated player ;D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 19, 2023, 12:59:02 PM
Any news on the Senior hurlers backroom team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on October 19, 2023, 08:21:27 PM
Quote from: Zooming around on October 19, 2023, 12:59:02 PMAny news on the Senior hurlers backroom team?

Will there be any few Bob left?
Are we paying in sterling or euros for the football setup?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on October 20, 2023, 08:51:54 AM
Any new faces gone into the laois senior hurling panel I wonder?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 02, 2023, 06:57:44 PM
Positive steps with laois entering teams in senior A hurling and football schools competitions.

Exposure to hurling at that level
will do no harm and will be good preparation for minor and u20 championships.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 06, 2023, 10:11:28 AM
Very positive re the schools. It worked to Offaly's benefit. Why was it stopped anyhow as they have previously had a schools team in hurling?

Abbeyleix v Harps in U20.

Both teams continue to produce winning underage teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 07, 2023, 02:15:30 PM
Leinster club on Sunday Naas V Camross. And also A and B U20s finals on all could be close games.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 07, 2023, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: redsetanta on November 06, 2023, 10:11:28 AMVery positive re the schools. It worked to Offaly's benefit. Why was it stopped anyhow as they have previously had a schools team in hurling?

Abbeyleix v Harps in U20.

Both teams continue to produce winning underage teams.

It was there in the past and worked well but I think it was stopped due to costs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof86 on November 07, 2023, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Laois man on November 07, 2023, 02:15:30 PMLeinster club on Sunday Naas V Camross. And also A and B U20s finals on all could be close games.

Would love to see Camross rattle Naas but can't see them getting within 10 points tbh
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 07, 2023, 04:32:05 PM
Quote from: Spiritof86 on November 07, 2023, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Laois man on November 07, 2023, 02:15:30 PMLeinster club on Sunday Naas V Camross. And also A and B U20s finals on all could be close games.

Would love to see Camross rattle Naas but can't see them getting within 10 points tbh

No. Naas are good.

The Harps for the 'A' and Castletown for the 'B'.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix. on November 07, 2023, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 07, 2023, 04:32:05 PM
Quote from: Spiritof86 on November 07, 2023, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Laois man on November 07, 2023, 02:15:30 PMLeinster club on Sunday Naas V Camross. And also A and B U20s finals on all could be close games.

Would love to see Camross rattle Naas but can't see them getting within 10 points tbh

No. Naas are good.

The Harps for the 'A' and Castletown for the 'B'.

Camross always love being written off. Should be an even enough game, especially in O'Moore Park.
The A and B final will go either way.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on November 08, 2023, 09:29:15 PM
Don't think Camross will beat Naas, but surprised at the 10 point suggestion. To be fair, I'm also surprised at the bookies odds.

Surprised to see Castletown in the B at U20 level. They seem to have been progressing at underage level and by all accounts are a young senior team.
Looking at their team from last weekend with Aaron Phelan, Rory Kelly, Conor Doran, Jack Breen and Ciaran McKelvey all established senior hurlers, they will surely be too strong for Ballinakill-Pickas.

I think Abbeyleix will win the other one. The club badly need a final win after a fairytale year, with little to show at the end of it all (trophy wise!).
Should be a cracking game. Two clubs that are assembling some pool of talent!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mcwregor on November 08, 2023, 10:34:23 PM
Any word on new members on the laois hurling panel? Any retirements?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 08, 2023, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Laois man on November 08, 2023, 10:40:44 PMCounty board put Ctown in the B competition as the believe they weren't strong enough for the A.

Only drew with Raheen Parish Gaels in the group stages, but beat Ballinakill/ Ballypickas by 10. Mind you, I was surprised to see Portlaoise in the A. Could hardly have been weaker than Portlaoise, could they?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 08, 2023, 11:33:42 PM
Other team in Ctown parish played with na fianna U20 s i believe.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 08, 2023, 11:37:36 PM
Quote from: Laois man on November 08, 2023, 11:33:42 PMOther team in Ctown parish played with na fianna U20 s i believe.

You talking about Slieve Bloom, I presume. I understood Slieve Bloom had basically no juveniles bar the ones registered w/ Castletown, and that they'd have to transfer out to play with Slieve Bloom. Did SB have players on the Na Fianna team (who can't have been very good, at any rate)?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: John1 on November 09, 2023, 02:00:34 PM
Kelvin Burke, Slieve Bloom  u20 ??  Good skillful hurler from what I have seen & at that Age Group too he would shine no doubt.
Na Fianna mix of Mountmellick Ballyfin & Slieve Bloom I think correct me if I am wrong , but all clubs with no major potential coming through at that particular Age-Group, The 1st and latter especially over the years bar 1 or 2 .  Similar to RPG a mix of 3/4 Clubs & did not make an impact for the depth of clubs involved,  drawing with Castletown seen as great result & then loosing out to Ballinikill / Ballypickas.  Castletown would be stronger than Portlaoise I believe also.
Fear for Slieve Bloom next year they are a club struggling with very little coming through

Predicting The Harps , Castletown , Naas, Bray Emmett's ( with 1/2 possibly been out )
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Galtee1 on November 09, 2023, 03:07:04 PM
Harps & Abbeyleix should be a cracking final. Hard to gauge whether they are actually producing top talent or are the other clubs just considerably poor. Laois minors and u20s haven't exactly pulled up any trees bar an appearance in a Leinster Minor final in 2022.

Any word on new additions to the Laois Senior Panel?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Sir Alex7 on November 09, 2023, 06:07:15 PM
Hearing tat Lee cleere and mark kavanagh are back involved with laois
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 10, 2023, 10:06:22 PM
Some win for The Harps this evening in the u20.. serious crop of talented hurlers coming through. Surely next year they will be competing at the business end of the senior championship. 
Hard luck to abbeyleix.  3 tough losses but they too have plenty of top talent to work with.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on November 11, 2023, 11:51:01 AM
I didn't get to the game, but I'm surprised at the margin of victory!

Very important for The Harps to win the Intermediate & get to Premier Intermediate in the short term too.
With their numbers & talent coming through having two teams competing at as high a level as possible will be crucial.
There could be serous fall off otherwise.

Seriously clever management needed too to keep 20 seniors plus the 10/12 second team players who want to hurl Senior interested and feeling valued.

Most crucial of all could be what the guys about to depart senior after long careers do. Many of them owe the club nothing, but could have huge influence on the club over the next few years.
The culture of the 2nd team has a really huge bearing on what happens in a club.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: John1 on November 14, 2023, 04:50:17 PM
The Harps better team by far, would love to see them & Abbeyleix been in the Top4 Teams of Senior for the years to come freshen things up

Any other older players back in than Cleere & Kavanagh involved with the seniors?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Galtee1 on November 15, 2023, 01:43:41 PM
As a neutral, it wasn't a brilliant game in the u20 the other night as Harps were much the better side and to their credit it was a dominant display. Eoin Murphy centre back was immense for a guy only 17 years of age. Abbeyleix decision at HT to leave him free while 5 points down was crazy while on the other hand, The Harps got their match ups right.

Someone from Harps at the game told me Cody Comerford is called into the senior panel also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: John1 on November 15, 2023, 04:07:01 PM
Cody Comerford u20 again next year ?
Laois always seemed to have issue between u20 & Senior bringing in too many u21 players too soon. This resulting in a large group taken away from training with their team-mates on the u21 / now u20 Squad & they never made progress at that age-group although this should be deemed a vital age-group.
Players not getting enough game time, missing out with their own pre season games of u20 & setting them back confidence , interest & performance wise , as well as getting used to hurling with their own players

Views on 12 team Senior & Intermediate proposal  ?
Is it basically not although seeded on next years performances going into the 2025 Season, a Senior A/B & Intermediate A/B Competition set-up without stating . Don't get me wrong something has to be done to aid improvement of both the standard of games and the interest of neutrals to go to games, but lets say if a Clubs 2nd Team gets to an Intermediate Semi Final next year they cant gain promotion as their 1st team are already up senior , or will they be allowed as its ( Senior B )  & does a Team that was not good enough to make a semi-final Intermediate gain automatic promotion on this default.  Then the teams that lost all /  majority of their senior b games don't get relegated & allowed stay up otherwise
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 16, 2023, 11:24:38 AM
I cannot understand the clamour for major structural change to hurling championship.

Proposals

2 12's Senior and Intermediate

Positives

+more games (of disputable quality/competitiveness

Negatives
-dilutes the quality of both championships

-gets rid of a championship which takes the fill-up of success and the motivation for success away from more teams. Team 8-12 know they have no chance of winning either championship. Preparation will suffer. Standards will drop.

-Leinster: currently our 9th best is competitive in province but our 13th certainly will not be. 2024 could see BK bounce back with a Leinster Intermediate title. Wouldn't they come to senior in 2025 well prepared?

-teams lower down will suffer as senior teams can hold back players if playing lower seeded teams first.

10 team Proposal
Positives
+more games (of disputable quality)
+safety blanket for lower down senior teams

Negatives
- Bye weeks will leave an unfair advantage to senior clubs who could stack a second team if their seniors have a first round Bye. It distorts the other championships.

- teams 9 and 10 will be out of their depth (eg Ballyfin)

-again it negatively affects our clubs chances in Leinster

-why was their no clamour for change when Abbeyleix, Ballinakill etc were relegated.

Overall to be fair to all clubs the championships should be left at 8 teams.

Abbeyleix showed how going down Intermediate isn't a terminal blow and can be used to gain momentum.





Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 16, 2023, 12:33:40 PM
Yes, I agree, I think 8 teams is fine - it gives everyone something achievable to aim for.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on November 16, 2023, 02:43:55 PM
We have a bloated football championship that doesn't work and now we want to bloat our hurling championship. I would rather a 6 team championship played as a round robin with top team straight to the final and second v third through to a semi-final. Every club is guaranteed five competitive matches and with the progress Abbleyleix, Castletown and The Harps are making we could realistically expect six competitive teams to make up the group. We then would be sending our seventh ranked club into the Leinster intermediate who should be competitive at the standard.

For the development of the game the more championship games the top teams are playing against one another where there is something on the line the better. Ballyfin are the tenth ranked team presently in Laois and they are a long way off the standard required to compete at senior. What is the point of having them play at that level to be comprehensively beaten and weaken the senior and intermediate championship. 

 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 16, 2023, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: Laois Rising on November 16, 2023, 02:43:55 PMWe have a bloated football championship that doesn't work and now we want to bloat our hurling championship. I would rather a 6 team championship played as a round robin with top team straight to the final and second v third through to a semi-final. Every club is guaranteed five competitive matches and with the progress Abbleyleix, Castletown and The Harps are making we could realistically expect six competitive teams to make up the group. We then would be sending our seventh ranked club into the Leinster intermediate who should be competitive at the standard.

For the development of the game the more championship games the top teams are playing against one another where there is something on the line the better. Ballyfin are the tenth ranked team presently in Laois and they are a long way off the standard required to compete at senior. What is the point of having them play at that level to be comprehensively beaten and weaken the senior and intermediate championship. 

 

I think the 6 team cship would have merit over last 3 years but I do think with Camross, CB, RE, Abbeyleix strong and Harps
 castletown making progress and a possible return of BK then 8 teams is quite competitive. Its also a good number to allow some variety of structure.

Eg 2 x 4s groups
Open draw with qualifiers as previously
Or
Even 1 group of 8 with top 4 in semis and bottom 4 in relegation.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on November 16, 2023, 06:19:26 PM
10 team format will dilute the championship as the pressure will be off the mid division clubs if the likes of Ballyfin are playing senior. There is nothing wrong with the current format apart from clubs fearing relegation which should be a good thing. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 16, 2023, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on November 16, 2023, 06:19:26 PM10 team format will dilute the championship as the pressure will be off the mid division clubs if the likes of Ballyfin are playing senior. There is nothing wrong with the current format apart from clubs fearing relegation which should be a good thing. 

Thought the 10 team format was explicitly off the table? It's either the status quo, or the twelve?

A 12 team intermediate would be quite a weak championship.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on November 16, 2023, 09:08:08 PM
I think they are proposing 12 because it's safe to assume that will fail.
10 was too risky- it might have passed.

I think 6 would be a poor move.
The only benefit being that we'd be strong in Leinster Intermediate. Hardly the be all & end all.

We have 8 teams. It works as a number.
No need to change that.
But I do think the CB have strongly influenced the proposal of 12 being on the table- Safe in the knowledge that it would be a lot more likely to fail than 10!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 17, 2023, 06:21:57 AM
Quote from: Verbal on November 16, 2023, 09:08:08 PMI think they are proposing 12 because it's safe to assume that will fail.
10 was too risky- it might have passed.

I think 6 would be a poor move.
The only benefit being that we'd be strong in Leinster Intermediate. Hardly the be all & end all.

We have 8 teams. It works as a number.
No need to change that.
But I do think the CB have strongly influenced the proposal of 12 being on the table- Safe in the knowledge that it would be a lot more likely to fail than 10!

With both proposals significantly inferior to what we have already, I've no issue with that. All Championships have peaks on troughs. I think we are just out of a trough and the next few years will be better fare.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 17, 2023, 09:22:47 PM
If they go with 10 teams what 2 teams will come up.?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 17, 2023, 09:27:23 PM
Presumably Portlaoise as PIHC champions and Ballyfin as finalists while BK would not be relegated.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 17, 2023, 09:40:25 PM
Lads, the 10-team option is specifically not proposed. It's either eight, as now, or the fairly convoluted 12-team set-up. Personally, I favour the status quo.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 17, 2023, 10:01:53 PM
The 10 team option is gone back to the clubs to vote on I believe.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 17, 2023, 10:13:33 PM
Oh, really? That's not what Laois Today reported?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on November 17, 2023, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 17, 2023, 09:40:25 PMLads, the 10-team option is specifically not proposed. It's either eight, as now, or the fairly convoluted 12-team set-up. Personally, I favour the status quo.

That's my understanding too.
I don't want more than 8.
But I do think this appears underhand.

Basically- Give them 2 ridiculous options to ensure they don't change from 8!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 17, 2023, 11:23:26 PM
Only going what I was told by a person who was at the meeting.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 17, 2023, 11:26:43 PM
But lads we have 16 senior football team and county board feels that's OK 6 of them won't win the intermediate Cship but10 teams in the hurling is too many.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on November 17, 2023, 11:30:40 PM
Offaly have 10 teams with Kilcormac/Killoughy 2nd team winning the Senior B. The same is likely to happen in Laois with 10 teams and definitely 12. Camross and Rathdowney/Errill are well capable of winning a weaker 2nd tier. A handful of clubs are pushing 10 teams to give them a safety net.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 17, 2023, 11:35:59 PM
Safety net? If your not god enough you will go down
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 18, 2023, 08:42:37 AM
Quote from: Laois man on November 17, 2023, 11:26:43 PMBut lads we have 16 senior football team and county board feels that's OK 6 of them won't win the intermediate Cship but10 teams in the hurling is too many.

Just because we have one of the weakest, piss poor football championships, it doesn't mean we need to mess up the hurling.
8 is the right number at the moment.
Changing it now would be an embarrassment for BK.

Earn your stripes.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 18, 2023, 11:00:11 AM
A strong proposal was put to the county board on the night for a slight tweak to the 8 team championship.
Top team in each group straight thru to semi
2nd teams straight thru to Qf
3rd and 4th teams play each other in a preliminary Qf with winners obviously thru to Qf against 2nd placed teams.
Losers playing off in relegation final.
I think it's the best proposal. Teams will have 2 chances to avoid relegation if that's not enough the relevant teams deserves to go down.
Hope the county board considers it seriously.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on November 18, 2023, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 18, 2023, 11:00:11 AMA strong proposal was put to the county board on the night for a slight tweak to the 8 team championship.
Top team in each group straight thru to semi
2nd teams straight thru to Qf
3rd and 4th teams play each other in a preliminary Qf with winners obviously thru to Qf against 2nd placed teams.
Losers playing off in relegation final.
I think it's the best proposal. Teams will have 2 chances to avoid relegation if that's not enough the relevant teams deserves to go down.
Hope the county board considers it seriously.

I don't like this.
If a team trying to make a breakthrough beats someone more established & finishes above them, you might have to beat them again a week later.
E.g. from this year would be Castletown & Borris Kilcotton.

Has anyone ever explained what the problem was with the previous open draw style system?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 18, 2023, 02:10:13 PM
Quote from: Verbal on November 18, 2023, 12:58:03 PMIf a team trying to make a breakthrough beats someone more established & finishes above them, you might have to beat them again a week later.
E.g. from this year would be Castletown & Borris Kilcotton.

Has anyone ever explained what the problem was with the previous open draw style system?

I assume the third and fourth would criss-cross with the other group, so they couldn't be playing the same team again a week later?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on November 18, 2023, 08:40:33 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on November 18, 2023, 02:10:13 PM
Quote from: Verbal on November 18, 2023, 12:58:03 PMIf a team trying to make a breakthrough beats someone more established & finishes above them, you might have to beat them again a week later.
E.g. from this year would be Castletown & Borris Kilcotton.

Has anyone ever explained what the problem was with the previous open draw style system?

I assume the third and fourth would criss-cross with the other group, so they couldn't be playing the same team again a week later?

Yes, silly mistake from me.
Still,
If you finish 4th in a 4 team group, is it really a good thing to be given one last chance ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 19, 2023, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 18, 2023, 11:00:11 AMA strong proposal was put to the county board on the night for a slight tweak to the 8 team championship.
Top team in each group straight thru to semi
2nd teams straight thru to Qf
3rd and 4th teams play each other in a preliminary Qf with winners obviously thru to Qf against 2nd placed teams.
Losers playing off in relegation final.
I think it's the best proposal. Teams will have 2 chances to avoid relegation if that's not enough the relevant teams deserves to go down.
Hope the county board considers it seriously.

Does this not virtually make the groups pointless as nobody is knocked out. Lose all 3 games and you still in it? Is a semi final (more than likely 6 weeks away) a good reward for topping group? You could be playing a team with 2 extra knock matches under their belt.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 19, 2023, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on November 19, 2023, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on November 18, 2023, 11:00:11 AMA strong proposal was put to the county board on the night for a slight tweak to the 8 team championship.
Top team in each group straight thru to semi
2nd teams straight thru to Qf
3rd and 4th teams play each other in a preliminary Qf with winners obviously thru to Qf against 2nd placed teams.
Losers playing off in relegation final.
I think it's the best proposal. Teams will have 2 chances to avoid relegation if that's not enough the relevant teams deserves to go down.
Hope the county board considers it seriously.

Does this not virtually make the groups pointless as nobody is knocked out. Lose all 3 games and you still in it? Is a semi final (more than likely 6 weeks away) a good reward for topping group? You could be playing a team with 2 extra knock matches under their belt.
I disagree.  If you finish in top 2,no risk of relegation and the confidence of performing well to date.
Finish 3rd or 4th, relegation or a chance to get back into the championship means hopefully do or die hurling. No dead rubbers as we've seen in last few years with
3rd round championship group games.
This structure will, in my opinion keep the championship hugely competitive from start to finish.

Did anyone really forsee B/K getting relegated this year.

i agree its a double chance for a team to avoid relegation but
If you bring in the 10 team and indeed the 12 team structure the possibility of bullshite dead rubbers increase.
Have we enough teams to support 10 and 12 at senior level and the knock effect of diluting the lower tiers.
There's no perfect solution to any championship structure.  Its an evolving process where teams come and go. I suggested a 10 team structure before, but in hindsight I think we just don't have enough teams to make it work. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on November 21, 2023, 11:56:00 PM
For novelty I'd love to see the following system in place (obviously I know it will never pass in reality as a proposal).

8 senior teams play off with a first round do or die game (open draw as to who faces who). 4 teams progress to the next round with an open draw again. The two winning teams from these encounters proceed to play one another with the winner progressing to the final. The two losing teams then play off in a quarter final with the winner of that game facing the losing team of the two winning teams encounter in the semi-final.

The losing 8 teams play off in a senior B style competition as currently in use in the football championship.

What I like about this proposal is that it takes away the safety nets and the dead rubbers that the group games are currently throwing up. It also brings back cut-throat first round encounters that should add intensity and excitement to the championship. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on November 22, 2023, 05:59:02 AM
Jaysus that would be a bit drastic!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Smellyball on November 22, 2023, 10:52:48 AM
Quote from: Laois Rising on November 21, 2023, 11:56:00 PMFor novelty I'd love to see the following system in place (obviously I know it will never pass in reality as a proposal).

8 senior teams play off with a first round do or die game (open draw as to who faces who). 4 teams progress to the next round with an open draw again. The two winning teams from these encounters proceed to play one another with the winner progressing to the final. The two losing teams then play off in a quarter final with the winner of that game facing the losing team of the two winning teams encounter in the semi-final.

The losing 8 teams play off in a senior B style competition as currently in use in the football championship.

What I like about this proposal is that it takes away the safety nets and the dead rubbers that the group games are currently throwing up. It also brings back cut-throat first round encounters that should add intensity and excitement to the championship. 
Shit proposal. Lose your first game and the year is effectively over.
Plus what's the point of playing a quarter final, followed by another game when the finalists are already decided.... :o
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on November 22, 2023, 01:37:30 PM
Quote from: Laois Rising on November 21, 2023, 11:56:00 PMFor novelty I'd love to see the following system in place (obviously I know it will never pass in reality as a proposal).

8 senior teams play off with a first round do or die game (open draw as to who faces who). 4 teams progress to the next round with an open draw again. The two winning teams from these encounters proceed to play one another with the winner progressing to the final. The two losing teams then play off in a quarter final with the winner of that game facing the losing team of the two winning teams encounter in the semi-final.

The losing 8 teams play off in a senior B style competition as currently in use in the football championship.

What I like about this proposal is that it takes away the safety nets and the dead rubbers that the group games are currently throwing up. It also brings back cut-throat first round encounters that should add intensity and excitement to the championship. 

I wouldn't fancy that at all. No1, you would find it very hard to get managers, players, selectors etc to properly commit for a year for potentially 1 game of hurling. Imagine C/B and Camross or the like drawing each other in the first round. You would have to play the rest of the hurling championship with comfortably 1 of the best 4 teams in the county not in it. We don't have near enough top sides as it is, never mind eliminating 1 of them at the first round!!

Systems like this worked at county level and within some county club systems back in the day, but with the level of training and commitment required these days. Players want to be rewarded with matches and plenty of them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Smellyball on November 22, 2023, 09:21:09 PM
Quote from: Smellyball on November 22, 2023, 10:52:48 AM
Quote from: Laois Rising on November 21, 2023, 11:56:00 PMFor novelty I'd love to see the following system in place (obviously I know it will never pass in reality as a proposal).

8 senior teams play off with a first round do or die game (open draw as to who faces who). 4 teams progress to the next round with an open draw again. The two winning teams from these encounters proceed to play one another with the winner progressing to the final. The two losing teams then play off in a quarter final with the winner of that game facing the losing team of the two winning teams encounter in the semi-final.

The losing 8 teams play off in a senior B style competition as currently in use in the football championship.

What I like about this proposal is that it takes away the safety nets and the dead rubbers that the group games are currently throwing up. It also brings back cut-throat first round encounters that should add intensity and excitement to the championship. 
Shit proposal. Lose your first game and the year is effectively over.
Plus what's the point of playing a quarter final, followed by another game when the finalists are already decided.... :o

- The two winning teams from these encounters proceed to play one another with the winner progressing to the final. The two losing teams then play off in a quarter final with the winner of that game facing the losing team of the two winning teams encounter in the semi-final-
I went back and read this again to try understand it.... awful.
A team could potentially lose a semi final twice in the same competition.
Lol
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 23, 2023, 04:26:38 PM
Talking to a person in the know who tells me that the 8 team format will be abandoned from 2025. It will be a 10 or 12 team format to be decided by the ccc next week.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 23, 2023, 05:10:52 PM
I taught clubs were voting on it if it goes ahead or not.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on November 27, 2023, 10:04:46 PM
Looks like 10 team format for senior championship from 2025 onwards. Vote this evening at County board meeting
U17 championships to stay the same for another 3 years.
Not sure what the story is with the format for rest of adult championships.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on November 29, 2023, 12:31:02 AM
10 team SHC is a farce. We are doing well having 8 teams capable of playing senior hurling but definately not 8. Clubs who voted for just looking after their own patch
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on November 29, 2023, 12:41:03 AM
But 16 football teams his OK?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Robbo on November 29, 2023, 11:39:47 AM
Camross champs in 2017. Quick change the format.
Champs again in 2023. Change again.
:-X  :-X  :-X


Why are clubs afraid of a cut throat champ? Abbeyleix went down then won a final and stormed through to a senior final with a young team.





Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 29, 2023, 12:56:57 PM
Yes, as Batman!!! says, 10 teams is a farce. Two groups of five, I assume? Are the leagues going to go back to 10 teams per division, as well? All these extra games, and seemingly we have no refs, either?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 29, 2023, 01:01:53 PM
Have the management teams for the Laois minors and U21s for 2024 been sorted
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 29, 2023, 07:29:57 PM
I thought sense would prevail but no silly season is in full flow.

Clubs have decided to change the format at the top of the hurling tree before even considering how this will effect clubs lower down.

We now will be less competitive in Leinster and almost guarantees that no Laois team will gain experience at Leinster or All Ireland level at intermediate or junior level.

'Shur they don't matter'

We had a fair system. I shudder to think what patch up solution they will conjure up in January.

Clubs feathering their own nest.

Idiots.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Verbal on November 29, 2023, 09:22:07 PM
Poor poor decision.
We will look back on this with regret.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on November 29, 2023, 10:58:33 PM
The vote was tight but I take it some of the lower tier clubs must have voted for it. The likes of Colt/Shanahoe Rathdowney Errill and Borris/K all have 3 votes due to having nominal Gaelic football clubs which might be a factor. There is talk in Laois Today about cross over games to avoid byes. From watching the championship last summer we should have 6 rather than 10. Idiotic is the only word to describe the decision.     
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on November 30, 2023, 12:22:43 AM
Quote from: Laois man on November 29, 2023, 12:41:03 AMBut 16 football teams his OK?

No it's not okay but it seems that ship has sailed as clubs are afraid of the cut throat. Anyone who thinks the new SHC format is good needs to get themselves checked out quickly
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on November 30, 2023, 10:49:43 AM
huge canvssing by some clubs in this,easy guesswho to. bad new for leix. very bad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: John1 on November 30, 2023, 11:14:30 AM
Anybody know the proposed pro's in making people vote in a 10 team Championship at this Meeting or was it encouraged to be voted in.
As above stated more dead rubber games imaginable , games probably still played in O Moore Park with no atmosphere
& less competitiveness in Leinster at Lower tiers.
A Tweak to the 8 teams system could have worked perhaps as the standard is not there to make it 10,  & if not a success, 
then maybe look at it in 2 years with more creative ideas
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Boy Wonder on November 30, 2023, 12:31:05 PM
Interesting article in Leinster Express (https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaa/1360447/proud-laois-can-t-compete-in-current-hurling-system.html)

" 'Proud' Laois can't compete in current hurling system" - Martin Fogarty's views on hurling in Laois and Offaly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 30, 2023, 02:45:30 PM
8 team championship with just one group.
7 League games.
Only the final in O'Moore Park.
Very few meaningless games as there is nearly always potential to get to the first two or be in the bottom two. Always something to aim for.
Some potentially cracking games at regional venues in the knockout stages.
One drawback is the calendar. Is there room for 10 weekends of senior hurling? (Maybe not)

Knockout
First and Second through to the semi final with home advantage in the semi final.

First Round Knockout
Third at home to Sixth
Fourth at home to Fifth

Relegation Playoff
Seventh v Eight at a neutral venue

Semi Final
First and Second in Pot 1 (Home venue guaranteed)
First Round Winners in Pot 2
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 01, 2023, 06:43:43 PM
Any update on new managers with any of our club teams?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 01, 2023, 08:23:24 PM
Mick mc evoy and willie Hyland taking over clough ballacolla I'm hearing.
Portlaoise the same
Harps the same
John Walsh leaving colt shanahoe to manage ballinakill apparently.

Quote from: Laois man on December 01, 2023, 06:43:43 PMAny update on new managers with any of our club teams?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on December 02, 2023, 11:22:59 AM
John Walsh leaving colt shanahoe to manage ballinakill apparently. - I heard its Damien Walsh over Bkill with Sean Flynn as coach. He was an analyst with Tipperary. Don't know what his coaching experience is.

Camross on the hunt for a new manager. Richie Power was seemingly a done deal and pulled out.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 02, 2023, 12:30:58 PM
I don't think Richie Power was ever a done deal was contacted but wasn't interested.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on December 04, 2023, 09:35:43 AM
We beat Tipp. Encouraging
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on December 04, 2023, 03:46:57 PM
In what?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on December 04, 2023, 04:37:25 PM
A challenge match for the tipp development squad who will make up the panel numbers 32 to 40 for training.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on December 05, 2023, 08:33:37 AM
only eihgt of them, no wunder we won
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laois man on December 13, 2023, 03:24:25 PM
Any updates on management for our Senior and Senior B club teams for the year ahead?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Galtee1 on December 14, 2023, 02:45:47 PM
Borris & Ossory have appointed Paudie Bourke and Shane Scully from Jk Bracken Templemore.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on December 14, 2023, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Galtee1 on December 14, 2023, 02:45:47 PMBorris & Ossory have appointed Paudie Bourke and Shane Scully from Jk Bracken Templemore.

What about Kilcotton?! I'm joking; but I had heard a rumour (which I didn't believe) that Kilcotton were going on their own and that Borris were joining with Kyle!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Blow-in on December 18, 2023, 06:54:00 AM
Quote from: Galtee1 on December 14, 2023, 02:45:47 PMBorris & Ossory have appointed Paudie Bourke and Shane Scully from Jk Bracken Templemore.

A shrewd appointment by B/K by all accounts. They come with good reviews as an upcoming management team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 19, 2023, 09:28:29 AM
Was lucky enough to be at a Laois Hurling academy parents morning last Saturday,
Presentations from Shane Keegan and managers of each
County 16 & 15s squads continuing their gym work from last year, panels finalised with plenty of new lads on board which is great see it's not a closed shop, struggling to attract / finalise management teams

U14s trial process finished and panel picked,
excellent presentation and management team

Football trials just concluded last weekend also, panels tbc

New games manager bringing good energy around the squads good to see
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 19, 2023, 09:59:22 AM
That's great to hear Ogie.

Usually it's about the lack of organisation and apathy when it comes to underage groups.

Shane Keegan seems to be making a difference.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Spiritof1915 on December 19, 2023, 06:00:27 PM
Shane keegan is the right man for the job and hopefully gets everything he needs from the county board.
My only concern is that he commits to the job for the foreseeable future. Its will take several years to get the underage squads moving again.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ottoman on December 21, 2023, 01:53:46 PM
Quote from: Spiritof1915 on December 19, 2023, 06:00:27 PMShane keegan is the right man for the job and hopefully gets everything he needs from the county board.
My only concern is that he commits to the job for the foreseeable future. Its will take several years to get the underage squads moving again.

Shane is a smart, shrew operator who if given time and support will implement a top class system. My main concern would be, will he get the time and support from those at the upper level?

I've dealt with Shane on a few items through work and team related issues down through the years, and he doesn't strike me a someone who will be taking for a fool. So I'd imagine if things are moving along to his liking, he might move on elsewhere.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: georgedoylesrightleg on December 21, 2023, 04:24:52 PM
anywan here wunderin bout shane need to call him n get in n support him. hes pushin hte stone up de hte hill, help him