Onwards and upwards, though safe to say that we'll need to be a bit more switched on from the throw-in for the final.
Any word on Stevie's injury?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 20, 2010, 05:15:16 PM
Onwards and upwards, though safe to say that we'll need to be a bit more switched on from the throw-in for the final.
Any word on Stevie's injury?
Heard it was his heal and nothing serious. Anyone confirm this?
Hope it is Monaghan..will be a tough, tight game. The final last year was awful...over in 15 minutes. Fermanagh would be the same.
QuoteHope it is Monaghan..will be a tough, tight game. The final last year was awful...over in 15 minutes. Fermanagh would be the same.
So that's Fermanagh beaten in both games then!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 20, 2010, 07:31:06 PM
QuoteHope it is Monaghan..will be a tough, tight game. The final last year was awful...over in 15 minutes. Fermanagh would be the same.
So that's Fermanagh beaten in both games then!
Eh? It is very clear what I said. Antrim = crap Fermanagh = crap. Monaghan would give Tyrone a good game.
That has to be the most condescending post I have ever read on this board.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2010, 08:45:14 PM
That has to be the most condescending post I have ever read on this board.
It's the truth. Antrim in Ulster final was over in 15 minutes last year and Fermanagh would be the same. Galls man wanted it spelled out... be careful what you ask for ;)
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Eh? It is very clear what I said. Antrim = crap Fermanagh = crap. Monaghan would give Tyrone a good game.
At least Antrim pushed Kerry all the way in their last championship meeting unlike yourselves... ;)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 20, 2010, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 20, 2010, 07:31:06 PM
QuoteHope it is Monaghan..will be a tough, tight game. The final last year was awful...over in 15 minutes. Fermanagh would be the same.
So that's Fermanagh beaten in both games then!
Eh? It is very clear what I said. Antrim = crap Fermanagh = crap. Monaghan would give Tyrone a good game.
You're bound to get your wish then - as fermanagh are crap, monaghan are bound to beat them easily...
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 20, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 20, 2010, 08:45:14 PM
That has to be the most condescending post I have ever read on this board.
It's the truth. Antrim in Ulster final was over in 15 minutes last year and Fermanagh would be the same. Galls man wanted it spelled out... be careful what you ask for ;)
All I ask for is that in the next few months an attitude like that comes back to haunt you ;)
Quote from: under the bar on June 20, 2010, 09:00:42 PM
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Eh? It is very clear what I said. Antrim = crap Fermanagh = crap. Monaghan would give Tyrone a good game.
At least Antrim pushed Kerry all the way in their last championship meeting unlike yourselves... ;)
Ourselves beat Kerry in our last three championship meetings :D
It's funny how if you 'big up' the smaller teams before a game you're a 'cute hoor' or patronising, yet when someone says something like this they're condescending. You just can't win!
I'd have to agree with longrunsthefox. Fermanagh might beat Monaghan next week but I could definitely see Monaghan giving Tyrone a better run in the final than Fermanagh.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 20, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
It's funny how if you 'big up' the smaller teams before a game you're a 'cute hoor' or patronising, yet when someone says something like this they're condescending. You just can't win!
I'd have to agree with longrunsthefox. Fermanagh might beat Monaghan next week but I could definitely see Monaghan giving Tyrone a better run in the final than Fermanagh.
:D By virtue of what - your crystal ball?
When are Monaghan people going to realise they're no good? In this - their golden era, each year they'll have one decent win, 'put-it-up-to' a big team (by virtue of being dirty bastards), still get beat, and believe that if they'd beat said team they'd also have beat every other team said team beat to win AI.
I love following Fermanagh, because any win they have is unexpected. Of course we get a little carried away, but nothing compared to the delusions a lot of monaghan ones seem to have. Mebbe theres something in those mushrooms...
Btw, the game v monaghan is exactly 50:50 imo.
Quotethe game v monaghan is exactly 50:50 imo.
If you believe that I suggest that you get on to your bookie right away, they don't think so.
I know that...I'll have a few quid on, but not much, because even if they are overpriced, I still make it evens they'll get beat
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 20, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
It's funny how if you 'big up' the smaller teams before a game you're a 'cute hoor' or patronising, yet when someone says something like this they're condescending. You just can't win!
I'd have to agree with longrunsthefox. Fermanagh might beat Monaghan next week but I could definitely see Monaghan giving Tyrone a better run in the final than Fermanagh.
:D By virtue of what - your crystal ball?
When are Monaghan people going to realise they're no good? In this - their golden era, each year they'll have one decent win, 'put-it-up-to' a big team (by virtue of being dirty b**tards), still get beat, and believe that if they'd beat said team they'd also have beat every other team said team beat to win AI.
I love following Fermanagh, because any win they have is unexpected. Of course we get a little carried away, but nothing compared to the delusions a lot of monaghan ones seem to have. Mebbe theres something in those mushrooms...
Btw, the game v monaghan is exactly 50:50 imo.
:D The spite is hilarious! If Monaghan are no good then I'd hate to think what Fermanagh are. I've always liked Fermanagh in some ways as they're a plucky team who regularly punch above their weight, having very low playing numbers in the county. But comments such as this bring me back to earth!
I've family in Fermanagh and would hear alot about the feeling in the county regarding the football, and I can't see how Monaghan fans are as delusional as Fermanagh fans! One win against a poor, disorganised Cavan team and Fermanagh fans are looking forward to another Ulster final! Talk about losing the run of yourselves!
I'm wary about the game on Sunday, as Fermanagh are definately a bogey team for Monaghan this last decade or so and always cause us problems(hopefully that will change this weekend), but we really should be winning this by a few points if we're serious about winning an Ulster title. No point in beating around the bush here, at present we're a better team than Fermanagh player for player(imo of course) and we should be translating that to the scoreboard.
There is already a thread for the Monaghan/Fermanagh game and it's far too premature for either fans to engage with Tyronies strutting their prerogatives for the Anglo Celt.
At first it's...
Quote from: haranguerer on June 13, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 12, 2010, 07:26:35 PM
Monaghan by a cricket score
You're right - hard to see anything else. Armagh are some side and they hammered them sure.
I reckon monaghan will take it easily - clerkin will score more of those wonder points he regularly does, and hanratty'll get about 3.5.
Followed by...
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 20, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
It's funny how if you 'big up' the smaller teams before a game you're a 'cute hoor' or patronising, yet when someone says something like this they're condescending. You just can't win!
I'd have to agree with longrunsthefox. Fermanagh might beat Monaghan next week but I could definitely see Monaghan giving Tyrone a better run in the final than Fermanagh.
:D By virtue of what - your crystal ball?
When are Monaghan people going to realise they're no good? In this - their golden era, each year they'll have one decent win, 'put-it-up-to' a big team (by virtue of being dirty b**tards), still get beat, and believe that if they'd beat said team they'd also have beat every other team said team beat to win AI.
I love following Fermanagh, because any win they have is unexpected. Of course we get a little carried away, but nothing compared to the delusions a lot of monaghan ones seem to have. Mebbe theres something in those mushrooms...
Btw, the game v monaghan is exactly 50:50 imo.
A wee touch of bi-polar disorder there haranguerer or are you just arse-boxing?? ::)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 21, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
A wee touch of bi-polar disorder there haranguerer or are you just arse-boxing?? ::)
When it comes to Fermanagh you're either Upper or Lower.
Will Fermangh write another song if they get to the Ulster final? :P
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 21, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
At first it's...
Quote from: haranguerer on June 13, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 12, 2010, 07:26:35 PM
Monaghan by a cricket score
You're right - hard to see anything else. Armagh are some side and they hammered them sure.
I reckon monaghan will take it easily - clerkin will score more of those wonder points he regularly does, and hanratty'll get about 3.5.
A wee touch of bi-polar disorder there haranguerer or are you just arse-boxing?? ::)
Jesus...how could you not tell the above was sarcasm :D
And schkite, delusion indeed ;)
'Fermanagh are a team who always cause us problems...'[Yes, 'problems' being knocking yous out of the championship on a regular basis]
'One win against a disorganised Cavan side and they're looking to an Ulster final...'[Hello? Armagh anyone?]
'If monaghan are no good I'd hate to think what fermanagh are...'[I know what they are, thats why I said every win is unexpected - you have to realise Monaghan are about the same]
I wont even start on the player for player bit - I mean, how do you go about comparing Hanratty to anything that even resembles a footballer?
Longrunsthefox, on behalf of my fellow countymen and women :-[ :-[ :-[
God I love the championship though! ;D
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 21, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
At first it's...
Quote from: haranguerer on June 13, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 12, 2010, 07:26:35 PM
Monaghan by a cricket score
You're right - hard to see anything else. Armagh are some side and they hammered them sure.
I reckon monaghan will take it easily - clerkin will score more of those wonder points he regularly does, and hanratty'll get about 3.5.
A wee touch of bi-polar disorder there haranguerer or are you just arse-boxing?? ::)
Jesus...how could you not tell the above was sarcasm :D
And schkite, delusion indeed ;)
'Fermanagh are a team who always cause us problems...'[Yes, 'problems' being knocking yous out of the championship on a regular basis]
'One win against a disorganised Cavan side and they're looking to an Ulster final...'[Hello? Armagh anyone?]
'If monaghan are no good I'd hate to think what fermanagh are...'[I know what they are, thats why I said every win is unexpected - you have to realise Monaghan are about the same]
I wont even start on the player for player bit - I mean, how do you go about comparing Hanratty to anything that even resembles a footballer?
Longrunsthefox, on behalf of my fellow countymen and women :-[ :-[ :-[
God I love the championship though! ;D
I agree with you there, he shouldn't be starting as I've said before many a time. Full-forward line should be McManus-Woods-Tommy.
McManus is the one I'm worried about - we've handled the best of the rest, but hes come on leaps and bounds in the last two years.
Quote from: under the bar on June 20, 2010, 09:00:42 PM
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Eh? It is very clear what I said. Antrim = crap Fermanagh = crap. Monaghan would give Tyrone a good game.
At least Antrim pushed Kerry all the way in their last championship meeting unlike yourselves... ;)
:D Ach now, thats just funny. :D
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 21, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
At first it's...
Quote from: haranguerer on June 13, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 12, 2010, 07:26:35 PM
Monaghan by a cricket score
You're right - hard to see anything else. Armagh are some side and they hammered them sure.
I reckon monaghan will take it easily - clerkin will score more of those wonder points he regularly does, and hanratty'll get about 3.5.
A wee touch of bi-polar disorder there haranguerer or are you just arse-boxing?? ::)
Jesus...how could you not tell the above was sarcasm :D
And schkite, delusion indeed ;)
'Fermanagh are a team who always cause us problems...'[Yes, 'problems' being knocking yous out of the championship on a regular basis]
'One win against a disorganised Cavan side and they're looking to an Ulster final...'[Hello? Armagh anyone?]
'If monaghan are no good I'd hate to think what fermanagh are...'[I know what they are, thats why I said every win is unexpected - you have to realise Monaghan are about the same]
I wont even start on the player for player bit - I mean, how do you go about comparing Hanratty to anything that even resembles a footballer?
Longrunsthefox, on behalf of my fellow countymen and women :-[ :-[ :-[
God I love the championship though! ;D
Congratulations Haranguerer on being elected to speak on 'behalf of your fellow countymen and women' ::)
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 21, 2010, 02:17:02 PM
At first it's...
Quote from: haranguerer on June 13, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 12, 2010, 07:26:35 PM
Monaghan by a cricket score
You're right - hard to see anything else. Armagh are some side and they hammered them sure.
I reckon monaghan will take it easily - clerkin will score more of those wonder points he regularly does, and hanratty'll get about 3.5.
A wee touch of bi-polar disorder there haranguerer or are you just arse-boxing?? ::)
Jesus...how could you not tell the above was sarcasm :D
And schkite, delusion indeed ;)
'Fermanagh are a team who always cause us problems...'[Yes, 'problems' being knocking yous out of the championship on a regular basis]
'One win against a disorganised Cavan side and they're looking to an Ulster final...'[Hello? Armagh anyone?]
'If monaghan are no good I'd hate to think what fermanagh are...'[I know what they are, thats why I said every win is unexpected - you have to realise Monaghan are about the same]
I wont even start on the player for player bit - I mean, how do you go about comparing Hanratty to anything that even resembles a footballer?
Longrunsthefox, on behalf of my fellow countymen and women :-[ :-[ :-[
God I love the championship though! ;D
Take a browse on over to your Hogan stand page and you'll see who's suffering from 'delusions of grandeur'. Fermanagh folk are the only ones I hear bigging up Monaghan after our victory over Armagh.. Most Monaghan 'supporters' don't suffer from the inflated egos you constantly allude to.
And anyways, this should all be on the actual game thread and not some premature hypothetical thread...
Have to agree, Fermanagh ones are hard work and haven't even won an Ulster title FGS!
Fox, sorry for being so presumptuous as to assume I could speak for my fellow countymen and women in a light-hearted way. On my own behalf, can I just say you're a complete dickhead? ;)
Stephen O'Neill battles with Brendan McArdle before having to go off at Casement Park
Stephen O'Neill is in no danger of missing the Ulster final, Tyrone assistant boss Tony Donnelly has said.
The former Footballer of the Year had to go off after just 11 minutes of Sunday's semi-final against Down after suffering a foot injury.
But the damage is no worse than bruising to his heel, sustained after he came down heavily on the firm Casement Park surface.
"He should be okay towards the end of the week," said Donnelly.
"He's hoping to play for his club at the weekend.
"He went out for a ball and stopped, using that foot as the anchor.
"It was a mixture of the hard ground and the way he stamped into the ground that caused the injury.
"He couldn't put any weight on it afterwards and obviously had to come off. But it's good news that it isn't anything worse than that."
O'Neill is expected to feature for his club Clan na nGael in an Intermediate Championship tie against Kevin Hughes's Killeeshil on Saturday.
It will be an anxious weekend for manager Mickey Harte, who will be hoping to avoid further injury problems during a weekend of championship action.
Many of his players will be in action in four senior championship ties, as well as games in the intermediate and junior grades.
Martin Penrose will play for Aghyaran against an Ardboe side that contains the McGuigan brothers, Brian and Tommy.
Davy and Peter Harte, meanwhile, will be in the Errigal Ciaran team that faces Owen Mulligan's Cookstown, the reigning All-Ireland IFC champions.
Moy have Sean and Colm Cavanagh, Philip Jordan and Ryan Mellon in their side to take on the McMahon brothers and Omagh, while Conor Gormley plays for Carrickmore against Killyclogher.
Tyrone will face either Monaghan or Fermanagh in the Ulster decider on 18 July.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8752477.stm
Is the Fermanagh / Monaghan game not just a waste of time lads? ok Maybe a chance for the local rivalry to be stoked up for the week thats about it. Give the trophy to Tyrone and we'll get on with the backdoor stuff.
If Fermanagh beat Monaghan you may give the Anglo-Celt Cup to Tyrone alright. If Monaghan get through it will not be a forgone conclusion.
Fox you sure are doing quite a bit of fishing today I see.
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 20, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
It's funny how if you 'big up' the smaller teams before a game you're a 'cute hoor' or patronising, yet when someone says something like this they're condescending. You just can't win!
I'd have to agree with longrunsthefox. Fermanagh might beat Monaghan next week but I could definitely see Monaghan giving Tyrone a better run in the final than Fermanagh.
:D By virtue of what - your crystal ball?
When are Monaghan people going to realise they're no good? In this - their golden era, each year they'll have one decent win, 'put-it-up-to' a big team (by virtue of being dirty b**tards), still get beat, and believe that if they'd beat said team they'd also have beat every other team said team beat to win AI.
I love following Fermanagh, because any win they have is unexpected. Of course we get a little carried away, but nothing compared to the delusions a lot of monaghan ones seem to have. Mebbe theres something in those mushrooms...
Btw, the game v monaghan is exactly 50:50 imo.
By virtue of my own assessment of both teams. I didn't claim to be presenting fact.
And i'd prefer to be 'no good' in Division 1 than in Division 4. Monaghan might not have made the big breakthrough like Tyrone or Armagh, but any win is not "unexpected", as you claim it is when following Fermanagh. There's no harm in going out to win.
As for this being our 'golden era', that is generally accepted as the mid 80s with a modest 2 Ulsters, a National League and 5 All Stars. We're doing alright at the minute, but it's not quite 'golden'.
Anyone any early thoughts on possible starting 15? I'd go for the following:
Packie
Carlin
Justy
Swift
Pete Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Sean Cav
Hub
Dooher
B Mc Guigan
Joey
Mugsy
SoN
Penrose
I think BMcG has to start and with it looking likely that SoN will be fine for the 18th then Colm Cav would be replaced by Sean. I can't see this happening and Colm has done nothing wrong but there's going to be a real dilema about fitting BMcG in (if he does indeed start) who do you drop/swap around?
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 21, 2010, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 20, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
It's funny how if you 'big up' the smaller teams before a game you're a 'cute hoor' or patronising, yet when someone says something like this they're condescending. You just can't win!
I'd have to agree with longrunsthefox. Fermanagh might beat Monaghan next week but I could definitely see Monaghan giving Tyrone a better run in the final than Fermanagh.
:D By virtue of what - your crystal ball?
When are Monaghan people going to realise they're no good? In this - their golden era, each year they'll have one decent win, 'put-it-up-to' a big team (by virtue of being dirty b**tards), still get beat, and believe that if they'd beat said team they'd also have beat every other team said team beat to win AI.
I love following Fermanagh, because any win they have is unexpected. Of course we get a little carried away, but nothing compared to the delusions a lot of monaghan ones seem to have. Mebbe theres something in those mushrooms...
Btw, the game v monaghan is exactly 50:50 imo.
By virtue of my own assessment of both teams. I didn't claim to be presenting fact.
And i'd prefer to be 'no good' in Division 1 than in Division 4. Monaghan might not have made the big breakthrough like Tyrone or Armagh, but any win is not "unexpected", as you claim it is when following Fermanagh. There's no harm in going out to win.
As for this being our 'golden era', that is generally accepted as the mid 80s with a modest 2 Ulsters, a National League and 5 All Stars. We're doing alright at the minute, but it's not quite 'golden'.
5 allstars, really? Did anyone get one in two different positions? ::) And yes, it is more than we have, and no, I dont care.
Silver era then. My issue with your assessment that Monaghan would put it up to Tyrone better than Fermanagh is that its hard to see what it is based on. If its your assessment of the two teams as you say, and who is better, then surely the winner of the match will decide that? Its laughable to hear the likes of yourself come out with patronising rubbish about 'Fermanagh always cause us trouble', etc, etc, and 'We havent made the big breakthrough like Tyrone or Armagh...' - because the fact is you havent made any kind of breakthrough. Yis havent even got to an AI semi-final in the last decade for gawds sake... :P
As for league, if we prevail on Sun, neither you nor I will give a flying f**k about our league position. Under Bantys rein, no county in Ireland has taken the National League more seriously than monaghan. Whenever Banty does leave (most likely at the end of this year) hes gonna leave an awful mess behind, because he certainly hasnt done enough to develop the team. Compare the monaghan and fermanagh teams that met two years ago - m'han is virtually the same, fermanagh is unrecognisable.
If monaghan win, I'll be supporting them against Tyrone in the final. You should remember though Maguire that yous aren't quite there yet.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 22, 2010, 12:29:52 AM
Anyone any early thoughts on possible starting 15? I'd go for the following:
Packie
Carlin
Justy
Swift
Pete Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Sean Cav
Hub
Dooher
B Mc Guigan
Joey
Mugsy
SoN
Penrose
I think BMcG has to start and with it looking likely that SoN will be fine for the 18th then Colm Cav would be replaced by Sean. I can't see this happening and Colm has done nothing wrong but there's going to be a real dilema about fitting BMcG in (if he does indeed start) who do you drop/swap around?
I don't see the need for McGuigan to start. If O'Neill hadn't have went off I still think Tyrone would have beat Down. McGuigan could be brought on to replace anyone from Dooher to Pete Harte. He can be used for any number of reasons and it might be better to wait and see how the game is going and how all the players are playing before introducing him. THis way his talents will be used to their best.
Quote from: haranguerer on June 22, 2010, 07:07:50 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 21, 2010, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 20, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
It's funny how if you 'big up' the smaller teams before a game you're a 'cute hoor' or patronising, yet when someone says something like this they're condescending. You just can't win!
I'd have to agree with longrunsthefox. Fermanagh might beat Monaghan next week but I could definitely see Monaghan giving Tyrone a better run in the final than Fermanagh.
:D By virtue of what - your crystal ball?
When are Monaghan people going to realise they're no good? In this - their golden era, each year they'll have one decent win, 'put-it-up-to' a big team (by virtue of being dirty b**tards), still get beat, and believe that if they'd beat said team they'd also have beat every other team said team beat to win AI.
I love following Fermanagh, because any win they have is unexpected. Of course we get a little carried away, but nothing compared to the delusions a lot of monaghan ones seem to have. Mebbe theres something in those mushrooms...
Btw, the game v monaghan is exactly 50:50 imo.
By virtue of my own assessment of both teams. I didn't claim to be presenting fact.
And i'd prefer to be 'no good' in Division 1 than in Division 4. Monaghan might not have made the big breakthrough like Tyrone or Armagh, but any win is not "unexpected", as you claim it is when following Fermanagh. There's no harm in going out to win.
As for this being our 'golden era', that is generally accepted as the mid 80s with a modest 2 Ulsters, a National League and 5 All Stars. We're doing alright at the minute, but it's not quite 'golden'.
5 allstars, really? Did anyone get one in two different positions? ::) And yes, it is more than we have, and no, I dont care.
Silver era then. My issue with your assessment that Monaghan would put it up to Tyrone better than Fermanagh is that its hard to see what it is based on. If its your assessment of the two teams as you say, and who is better, then surely the winner of the match will decide that? Its laughable to hear the likes of yourself come out with patronising rubbish about 'Fermanagh always cause us trouble', etc, etc, and 'We havent made the big breakthrough like Tyrone or Armagh...' - because the fact is you havent made any kind of breakthrough. Yis havent even got to an AI semi-final in the last decade for gawds sake... :P
As for league, if we prevail on Sun, neither you nor I will give a flying f**k about our league position. Under Bantys rein, no county in Ireland has taken the National League more seriously than monaghan. Whenever Banty does leave (most likely at the end of this year) hes gonna leave an awful mess behind, because he certainly hasnt done enough to develop the team. Compare the monaghan and fermanagh teams that met two years ago - m'han is virtually the same, fermanagh is unrecognisable.
If monaghan win, I'll be supporting them against Tyrone in the final. You should remember though Maguire that yous aren't quite there yet.
One more post and you'll have made your eagerly awaited 1000 - congratulations in advance! ::)
I haven't had a chance to look at the game on tape yet, but I had my head in my hands on numerous occasions when red sean got his hands on the ball. I was one of the posters who thought he was unlucky not to get a start. I think his first 3 posessions ended in bad mistakes. At one stage he started soloing up the park only to be easily disposessed by 2 down men. This is something that happened regularly in the league and is painful viewing. Maybe I'm being harsh. I want a 2nd look.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on June 22, 2010, 12:55:55 PM
I haven't had a chance to look at the game on tape yet, but I had my head in my hands on numerous occasions when red sean got his hands on the ball. I was one of the posters who thought he was unlucky not to get a start. I think his first 3 possessions ended in bad mistakes. At one stage he started soloing up the park only to be easily dispossessed by 2 down men. This is something that happened regularly in the league and is painful viewing. Maybe I'm being harsh. I want a 2nd look.
I was just watching the second half again and I think your being harsh. He had loads of possession which he distributed well. i think the only mistake was when he was dispossessed by the two Down men. He didn't get past the first challenge cleanly enough which allowed him to get caught by the second. It was happening Muligan and Dooher on a few occasions too. Overall he had a good game. He would have converted the 45 at the end too if McGuigan hadn't have made the mistake and kicked it the wrong way ;)
Sounds like Stevie will be ok to play for the Clanns this Sat night in the championship v Killeshil.
Think it was just bruising on his heel from what I heard.
Presume the final will be in Clones then or is this not decided yet.
I deserve a day out on the beer so will need to find a driver.
Hmmmm.....
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/ (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/) - Stevie played only the last ten for Clanns and didn't look happy. Dooher and Hub went head to head. This is a short video showing some of the action.
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 20, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
It's funny how if you 'big up' the smaller teams before a game you're a 'cute hoor' or patronising, yet when someone says something like this they're condescending. You just can't win!
I'd have to agree with longrunsthefox. Fermanagh might beat Monaghan next week but I could definitely see Monaghan giving Tyrone a better run in the final than Fermanagh.
:D By virtue of what - your crystal ball?
When are Monaghan people going to realise they're no good? In this - their golden era, each year they'll have one decent win, 'put-it-up-to' a big team (by virtue of being dirty b**tards), still get beat, and believe that if they'd beat said team they'd also have beat every other team said team beat to win AI.
I love following Fermanagh, because any win they have is unexpected. Of course we get a little carried away, but nothing compared to the delusions a lot of monaghan ones seem to have. Mebbe theres something in those mushrooms...
Btw, the game v monaghan is exactly 50:50 imo.
I won't say I told you so but ;)
A broken clock is still right twice a day fox ::)
Despite having mostly the same personnel (which influenced my reasoning), thats a different m'han team than those I've seen other years. Very strong, supremely fit, played a great running game, and missed nothing. Fair play to them. Hope they win it, they and the banty deserve it!
Quote from: haranguerer on June 27, 2010, 08:28:06 PM
A broken clock is still right twice a day fox ::)
Despite having mostly the same personnel (which influenced my reasoning), thats a different m'han team than those I've seen other years. Very strong, supremely fit, played a great running game, and missed nothing. Fair play to them. Hope they win it, they and the banty deserve it!
I agree with you and as I said they will give Tyrone their fill of it. Could be quite a final.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 28, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
I agree with you and as I said they will give Tyrone their fill of it. Could be quite a final.
Tyrone are already full of it ;D
We should be much better equipped this year than in 07 but it will still be a mammoth task, of that I've no doubt. We've options on the bench which is great to see and unique almost for a small county. All the subs done well yesterday but I suppose none of them came on to turn the game around, good performances none the less.
I was happy to see Monaghan hold the ball and run down the clock in the early satges on the second half but I would like to see more of a blend of ball retention and attacking play. I was at the Tyrone/Down game and Tyrone were masters at holding possesion and winding down the clock. This has to be the most frustrating thing for the trailing team and is a good skillset for a team collectively to possess, however unpretty it may look...
There's a great hunger and pace about Monaghan this year but the most postivie thing I have seen is the impreovement in discipline. I reckon calling men ashore one branded with a yellow card might have something to do with it..
Fermanagh probably weren't the test that was anticipated or the test that Monaghan needed but our boys have (largely) stuck to the script for the last two outings which is positive. It's hard to know how to read the fact that we conceded 2:02 in the last ten minutes, concering but Banty will and should use it to put pressure on the lads to retain their places. A few years ago they'd have looked towards the bench and not been overly worried but the stock has risen so they should be concerned now..
Anyways, looking forward to some interesting debate in the coming weeks and can't wait till the final..
This is going to be a belter of a game. I can't wait. IMO this will be an outstanding Ulster final
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2010, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 28, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
I agree with you and as I said they will give Tyrone their fill of it. Could be quite a final.
Tyrone are already full of it ;D
All Ireland medals? ;)
Quote from: haranguerer on June 21, 2010, 01:14:14 PM
When are Monaghan people going to realise they're no good?
Not for another day at least!
Quote from: haranguerer on June 13, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
I reckon monaghan will take it easily - clerkin will score more of those wonder points he regularly does, and hanratty'll get about 3.5.
No joy from Hanratty, but you were right on the other two counts!
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 28, 2010, 12:04:33 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2010, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 28, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
I agree with you and as I said they will give Tyrone their fill of it. Could be quite a final.
Tyrone are already full of it ;D
All Ireland medals? ;)
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Are you a Tyronie, Fox? it might explain how you could even try to make the singular "it" to refer to the plural of a noun :)
So much for hard road to an Ulster final. Much ado about nothing.
I have heard many say that Tyrone are there for the taking.
I don't agree, first we will have to dominate and beat Tyrone with our football - speed of movements, skill on the ball and point scoring, then we will take them.
I can't say I was not pleased with the hammering dished out to Fermanagh, but I also can't say that it was a performance from a team that is good enough to win Ulster. Quite simply we were not asked any serious questions and dodled along with the fairies in the second half performance. The team discipline slipped a few notches below that control, we were disjointed and were not punished by a dispirited Fermanagh until the game was just about over
Against Armagh we were always in control in the 2nd half, remaining a strongly disciplined unit and stepped up when needed to reply to the Armagh points.
Personally I am not at all worried going into this final, I have full confidence that we will be ready on the day and not blow it like last time in the first half. We are in another groove now.
I am glad for once Tyrone are not going into a game as red-hot favourites. Alot of people believe Monaghan will beat them, and going on Tyrones performances to date they see Tyrone as not being great. I have a feeling that this will work in Tyrones favour though. I can't wait for the final now., it would have been pretty drab if Fermanagh were the opposition.
The favourite tag as distinct from a hot favourite tag won't make a blind bit of difference on the pitch.
Both set-ups are too long in the tooth to get carried away by it anyway.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 28, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
and going on Tyrones performances to date they see Tyrone as not being great.
I seen them first hand against Down and however about being not great (in the second half) they knew exactly what to do to beat Down i.e. own the ball and slow the game right down to their pace. My big worry is that they'll do the same to Monaghan but I'd also be confident that our boys might not afford them that luxury. If it's a shoot-out then it'll be some spectacle. I can't see our lads going 8pts down again and then bustin themselves to pull it back. It all makes for a very interesting final..
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2010, 02:04:03 PM
Both set-ups are too long in the tooth to get carried away by it anyway.
I wouldn't say that Monaghan haven't won an Ulster final since 1988 and only contested one since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOA7rOjoWao// - Paul Grimley talks up the Ulster Final. It'll be his 5th, 4 with Armagh.
I must say I was delighted with the way Monaghan won yesterday
They have strolled into this final with their confidence sky high with no hard questions having been asked of them
After the 2007 game I was totally amazed at how over confident the fans still were for the qualifiers. People then say us lads are so full of it but at least we've won something in the last 10 years.
I think Banty will have his work cut out trying to work out what way we will play this one as there seems to be new tactics each day. We might even take back Peter and big Plunkett and use them as a decoy.
How would John Lynch do on wee ginger nut Freeman?
Wonder would he be so keen pointing into his face?
Presume ye'll try yer wee jersey stunt again.
Yeah yeah we'll play in all Blue if ye play in yer dark pink again.
That really knocked us for 6.
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2010, 01:25:04 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 28, 2010, 12:04:33 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2010, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 28, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
I agree with you and as I said they will give Tyrone their fill of it. Could be quite a final.
Tyrone are already full of it ;D
All Ireland medals? ;)
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Are you a Tyronie, Fox? it might explain how you could even try to make the singular "it" to refer to the plural of a noun :)
So much for hard road to an Ulster final. Much ado about nothing.
I have heard many say that Tyrone are there for the taking.
I don't agree, first we will have to dominate and beat Tyrone with our football - speed of movements, skill on the ball and point scoring, then we will take them.
I can't say I was not pleased with the hammering dished out to Fermanagh, but I also can't say that it was a performance from a team that is good enough to win Ulster. Quite simply we were not asked any serious questions and dodled along with the fairies in the second half performance. The team discipline slipped a few notches below that control, we were disjointed and were not punished by a dispirited Fermanagh until the game was just about over
Against Armagh we were always in control in the 2nd half, remaining a strongly disciplined unit and stepped up when needed to reply to the Armagh points.
Personally I am not at all worried going into this final, I have full confidence that we will be ready on the day and not blow it like last time in the first half. We are in another groove now.
Main Street-you are in serious danger of mixing me up with someone who gives a f**k ::)
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 28, 2010, 03:30:48 PM
How would John Lynch do on wee ginger nut Freeman?
Wonder would he be so keen pointing into his face?
Presume ye'll try yer wee jersey stunt again.
Yeah yeah we'll play in all Blue if ye play in yer dark pink again.
Laughable, coming from a Tyrone man, I'm still unsure though as to whether it's 'laughable with' or laughable at'? ::)
The more I think about it, the less I worry from a Tyrone point of view.
People are talking about this big, strong, skillful and powerful side that has reached the Ulster Final, and I still can't get my head around the fact that they are talking about Monaghan. There are alot of miles on the clock for alot of the Monaghan players, and with the like of Tommy Freeman past his best and Finlay only good for a free or two who will carry their scoring burden? Has the like of big Dick enough mobility to keep up with the dynamic Tyrone midfield and will Tyrone stop playing at half time like they did in 2007 to give the fans their moneys worth?
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 28, 2010, 03:55:04 PM
will Tyrone stop playing at half time like they did in 2007 to give the fans their moneys worth?
We never think in terms of money's worth from our team's effort on the pitch.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 28, 2010, 03:55:04 PM
The more I think about it, the less I worry from a Tyrone point of view.
People are talking about this big, strong, skillful and powerful side that has reached the Ulster Final, and I still can't get my head around the fact that they are talking about Monaghan. There are alot of miles on the clock for alot of the Monaghan players, and with the like of Tommy Freeman past his best and Finlay only good for a free or two who will carry their scoring burden? Has the like of big Dick enough mobility to keep up with the dynamic Tyrone midfield and will Tyrone stop playing at half time like they did in 2007 to give the fans their moneys worth?
I hope Mickey Harte uses a simllar crude analogy of the Monaghan team and their ability as you do Nrico.. ;)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 28, 2010, 05:35:17 PM
I hope Mickey Harte uses a simllar crude analogy of the Monaghan team and their ability as you do Nrico.. ;)
I doubt it. Harte doesn't do crude. He would probably put it better while keeping with the opinion.
Looking back at last year Tyrone won Ulster at a canter. They were barley cahllenged apart from the odd purple patch here and there. I think this years championship looks similar. I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrone didn't have to get out of third gear to win this final.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 28, 2010, 06:44:20 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 28, 2010, 05:35:17 PM
I hope Mickey Harte uses a simllar crude analogy of the Monaghan team and their ability as you do Nrico.. ;)
I doubt it. Harte doesn't do crude. He would probably put it better while keeping with the opinion.
Looking back at last year Tyrone won Ulster at a canter. They were barley cahllenged apart from the odd purple patch here and there. I think this years championship looks similar. I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrone didn't have to get out of third gear to win this final.
Will they really need to reach third gear? Second will surely suffice!
The arrogance of some Tyrone posters is starting to annoy me (I'm not referring to Omagh Gaels joke in last post). The current Monaghan team deserve a lot of respect and won't be easily defeated in the final especially as its their second final in last 3 years now. They've some great footballers like Finlay,McManus,Freemans,Clerkin etc and could easily beat Tyrone.
second final in 4 years, Tyrone rightly confident with their third final in 4 years but this Monaghan team has more steel than in many a recent year
2007 Monaghan v Tyrone
2008 Fermanagh v Armagh
2009 Tyrone v Antrim
2010 Tyrone v Monaghan
I think Tyrone shouldn't be complacent about this one. They havent really clicked into gear yet. Monaghan on the other hand have done well so far, the only worry for their supporters is the too early peaking syndrome.
Does anyone have the dates for the quarter finals?
Norf...QF's are on the 31/07/10, 01/08/10 and 02/08/10.
Here's a link to complete championship wallchart:
http://www.gaa.ie/content/downloads/wallcharts/football_wallchart.pdf
Quote from: comethekingdom on June 28, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
I think Tyrone shouldn't be complacent about this one. They havent really clicked into gear yet. Monaghan on the other hand have done well so far, the only worry for their supporters is the too early peaking syndrome.
That's the point. There has been no need for Tyrone to click into gear in Ulster in 09 and so far this year.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 28, 2010, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: comethekingdom on June 28, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
I think Tyrone shouldn't be complacent about this one. They havent really clicked into gear yet. Monaghan on the other hand have done well so far, the only worry for their supporters is the too early peaking syndrome.
That's the point. There has been no need for Tyrone to click into gear in Ulster in 09 and so far this year.
That's easy to say but when Tyrone needed to click into gear v Cork last year they couldn't. The Monaghan match looks like Tyrone's toughest game in Ulster since defeated in 2008 by Down.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 28, 2010, 11:14:12 PM
That's easy to say but when Tyrone needed to click into gear v Cork last year they couldn't. The Monaghan match looks like Tyrone's toughest game in Ulster since defeated in 2008 by Down.
You're absolutly spot on, that was easy to say. Again my point was that Tyrone didn't need to kick into gear in Ulster. If Monaghan can ask that of them then we might be facing a problem but I don't think they will.
Having giving it some consideration and accepting the power of Monaghan, I have to conclude that Tyrone will win handy enough. Easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy 8)
Unlike O'Neill and a few other Tyroneites on here I am a firm believer of positive mental attitude at all times
However, I just don't see where Monaghan are getting their optimism from.
Yeah sure they've beat Armagh & Derry a few times in the last few years & they held Kerry close in 2007 but like c'mon who are they kidding. Its all about winning the big matches. Getting over the finish line and not just having moral victory.
Not since the days of Nudie Hughes has a Monaghan team looked like winning an Ulster.
At least wee James said at the end of the Down game that Tyrone were just toying with us in the second half. I think adding Grimley to the Monaghan backroom team has helped add more steel to a very skillful, silky outfit that too often enough depended on playing too nicey nicey football rather than getting stuck in and out muscling their opponents the way the Kerrys, Corks & Tyrone have been doing of late
I'm sure I will have egg on my face come 5pm on Sunday 18th July but for the life of me I just can't see where they will outscore this Tyrone team.
It could be a good game to get a few of the young lads a run out like Coney if Peter & Plunkett are away that weekend.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on June 29, 2010, 12:28:36 AM
Unlike O'Neill and a few other Tyroneites on here I am a firm believer of positive mental attitude at all times
However, I just don't see where Monaghan are getting their optimism from.
Yeah sure they've beat Armagh & Derry a few times in the last few years & they held Kerry close in 2007 but like c'mon who are they kidding. Its all about winning the big matches. Getting over the finish line and not just having moral victory.
Not since the days of Nudie Hughes has a Monaghan team looked like winning an Ulster.
At least wee James said at the end of the Down game that Tyrone were just toying with us in the second half. I think adding Grimley to the Monaghan backroom team has helped add more steel to a very skillful, silky outfit that too often enough depended on playing too nicey nicey football rather than getting stuck in and out muscling their opponents the way the Kerrys, Corks & Tyrone have been doing of late
I'm sure I will have egg on my face come 5pm on Sunday 18th July but for the life of me I just can't see where they will outscore this Tyrone team.
It could be a good game to get a few of the young lads a run out like Coney if Peter & Plunkett are away that weekend.
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I presume you're on the wind up.........the most impressive thing about Monaghan this year is the move away from the Rambo tactics that have blighted their performances over the last number of years. Dunno whether it's all down to Grimley or not but it's a hell of a coincidence that they are playing with a lot more discipline and a lot more offensively since he has come in.
Monaghan will give Tyrone a hell of a game, the only doubt that I have is that they haven't been in a close match and the two stuffings that they have handed out so far will be of no benefit to them on the 18th of July.
Quote from: mackers on June 29, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
I presume you're on the wind up.........the most impressive thing about Monaghan this year is the move away from the Rambo tactics that have blighted their performances over the last number of years. Dunno whether it's all down to Grimley or not but it's a hell of a coincidence that they are playing with a lot more discipline and a lot more offensively since he has come in.
Monaghan will give Tyrone a hell of a game, the only doubt that I have is that they haven't been in a close match and the two stuffings that they have handed out so far will be of no benefit to them on the 18th of July.
That's easy when your up against nothing. Monaghan will need a different approach when up against Tyrone.
it's great to see the monaghan people so confident! every game tyrone have played this year the media (irish news, bbc sport) have been dying to write the obituary for this team. hasn't turned out like that has it? it won't in clones either. we are still one of the 3 best teams in this country. monaghan aren't. nice to see a neutral venue though ;)
Quote from: talktothehand on June 29, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
it's great to see the monaghan people so confident! every game tyrone have played this year the media (irish news, bbc sport) have been dying to write the obituary for this team. hasn't turned out like that has it? it won't in clones either. we are still one of the 3 best teams in this country. monaghan aren't. nice to see a neutral venue though ;)
Where would you like it played given the fact Clones has the biggest seated capacity, Croke Park?? And, it's not *much* of a disadvantage for Tyrone given their frequency their over the past decade.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 29, 2010, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 29, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
I presume you're on the wind up.........the most impressive thing about Monaghan this year is the move away from the Rambo tactics that have blighted their performances over the last number of years. Dunno whether it's all down to Grimley or not but it's a hell of a coincidence that they are playing with a lot more discipline and a lot more offensively since he has come in.
Monaghan will give Tyrone a hell of a game, the only doubt that I have is that they haven't been in a close match and the two stuffings that they have handed out so far will be of no benefit to them on the 18th of July.
That's easy when your up against nothing. Monaghan will need a different approach when up against Tyrone.
Please elaborate?
Quote from: mackers on June 29, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 29, 2010, 12:28:36 AM
Unlike O'Neill and a few other Tyroneites on here I am a firm believer of positive mental attitude at all times
However, I just don't see where Monaghan are getting their optimism from.
Yeah sure they've beat Armagh & Derry a few times in the last few years & they held Kerry close in 2007 but like c'mon who are they kidding. Its all about winning the big matches. Getting over the finish line and not just having moral victory.
Not since the days of Nudie Hughes has a Monaghan team looked like winning an Ulster.
At least wee James said at the end of the Down game that Tyrone were just toying with us in the second half. I think adding Grimley to the Monaghan backroom team has helped add more steel to a very skillful, silky outfit that too often enough depended on playing too nicey nicey football rather than getting stuck in and out muscling their opponents the way the Kerrys, Corks & Tyrone have been doing of late
I'm sure I will have egg on my face come 5pm on Sunday 18th July but for the life of me I just can't see where they will outscore this Tyrone team.
It could be a good game to get a few of the young lads a run out like Coney if Peter & Plunkett are away that weekend.
I presume you're on the wind up.........the most impressive thing about Monaghan this year is the move away from the Rambo tactics that have blighted their performances over the last number of years. Dunno whether it's all down to Grimley or not but it's a hell of a coincidence that they are playing with a lot more discipline and a lot more offensively since he has come in.
Monaghan will give Tyrone a hell of a game, the only doubt that I have is that they haven't been in a close match and the two stuffings that they have handed out so far will be of no benefit to them on the 18th of July.
I disagree. They beat a fancied Armagh team who were 4 points up in the first 15mins with Stevie McDonnell scroing freely of either foot. The heads could have dropped though and the script fired out the windy but they didn't capitulate and stuck to the plan. There's no substitute for winning and being in a winning way definitely accounts for a lot. They are playing a open, supportive and fast counter-atacking type of football this year so I disagree how any of the above qualities will be of no benefit to them come July 18th.
Quote from: talktothehand on June 29, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
it's great to see the monaghan people so confident! every game tyrone have played this year the media (irish news, bbc sport) have been dying to write the obituary for this team. hasn't turned out like that has it? it won't in clones either. we are still one of the 3 best teams in this country. monaghan aren't. nice to see a neutral venue though ;)
Is it wrong that we fancy our chances? Would ye rather if we had no belief and simply gave up on the day? God forbid we feel like we have a chance, given how badly the team want this and they're playing well. We may not have been in a proper tight game yet but I'm sure we will be ready for the battle on the day. Of course Tyrone are a better team, and are still one of the top three, I don't see anyone from Monaghan disagreeing with this so I don't see why the Tyronies are making light of us. Tyrone have the players and the experience, and will rightly be strong favourites to win back-to-back Ulster titles. However I still think we can cause an upset, why would I bother going if I didn't?
Quote from: Zapatista on June 29, 2010, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 29, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
I presume you're on the wind up.........the most impressive thing about Monaghan this year is the move away from the Rambo tactics that have blighted their performances over the last number of years. Dunno whether it's all down to Grimley or not but it's a hell of a coincidence that they are playing with a lot more discipline and a lot more offensively since he has come in.
Monaghan will give Tyrone a hell of a game, the only doubt that I have is that they haven't been in a close match and the two stuffings that they have handed out so far will be of no benefit to them on the 18th of July.
That's easy when your up against nothing. Monaghan will need a different approach when up against Tyrone.
What was defective about the approach to the 2 games already played that would not work against the mightyTyrone?
Reading this thread you would think there's no point monaghan turning up!
Monaghan demolished an armagh team who to be honest would be much better than that of down. You could really argue that neither have been challenged so not sure anyone will be more prepared than the other.
I do think antrim exposed a few tyrone half backs and they've learnt from it but you could argue stevie exposed a few monaghan defenders and they've learnt from that. All even in that regard.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 29, 2010, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: mackers on June 29, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 29, 2010, 12:28:36 AM
Unlike O'Neill and a few other Tyroneites on here I am a firm believer of positive mental attitude at all times
However, I just don't see where Monaghan are getting their optimism from.
Yeah sure they've beat Armagh & Derry a few times in the last few years & they held Kerry close in 2007 but like c'mon who are they kidding. Its all about winning the big matches. Getting over the finish line and not just having moral victory.
Not since the days of Nudie Hughes has a Monaghan team looked like winning an Ulster.
At least wee James said at the end of the Down game that Tyrone were just toying with us in the second half. I think adding Grimley to the Monaghan backroom team has helped add more steel to a very skillful, silky outfit that too often enough depended on playing too nicey nicey football rather than getting stuck in and out muscling their opponents the way the Kerrys, Corks & Tyrone have been doing of late
I'm sure I will have egg on my face come 5pm on Sunday 18th July but for the life of me I just can't see where they will outscore this Tyrone team.
It could be a good game to get a few of the young lads a run out like Coney if Peter & Plunkett are away that weekend.
I presume you're on the wind up.........the most impressive thing about Monaghan this year is the move away from the Rambo tactics that have blighted their performances over the last number of years. Dunno whether it's all down to Grimley or not but it's a hell of a coincidence that they are playing with a lot more discipline and a lot more offensively since he has come in.
Monaghan will give Tyrone a hell of a game, the only doubt that I have is that they haven't been in a close match and the two stuffings that they have handed out so far will be of no benefit to them on the 18th of July.
I disagree. They beat a fancied Armagh team who were 4 points up in the first 15mins with Stevie McDonnell scroing freely of either foot. The heads could have dropped though and the script fired out the windy but they didn't capitulate and stuck to the plan. There's no substitute for winning and being in a winning way definitely accounts for a lot. They are playing a open, supportive and fast counter-atacking type of football this year so I disagree how any of the above qualities will be of no benefit to them come July 18th.
Very true. The management and players identified the problems and corrected them very quickly. I'm not saying playing the type of football that Monaghan are playing will be of no benefit, in fact it's exactly the type of football to play against Tyrone, my point was that Monaghan would have been better served by having a tight game somewhere along the line.
The arrogance of some of the Tyrone posters is simply staggering...............
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
What was defective about the approach to the 2 games already played that would not work against the mightyTyrone?
I'm not saying it's defective just that it won't be good enough. It will take Tyrone about 10 mins to suck the life out of any
disiplined offence.
And what Schkite says -
QuoteOf course Tyrone are a better team, and are still one of the top three
QuoteTyrone have the players and the experience, and will rightly be strong favourites to win back-to-back Ulster titles
The funny thing is that Monaghan think they will be dictating the type of game they play. That won't be happening. Tyrone will be setting the pace and Monaghan will be responing to that. It's exactly what Tyrone did to Antrim and what Down attempted on Tyrone before Tyrone took the bull by the horns and basically bullied Down about the place. Either way Tyrone win.
Fortunately for their shareholders, Paddy Power has more of a rational overview.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 29, 2010, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
What was defective about the approach to the 2 games already played that would not work against the mightyTyrone?
I'm not saying it's defective just that it won't be good enough. It will take Tyrone about 10 mins to suck the life out of any disiplined offence.
And what Schkite says -
QuoteOf course Tyrone are a better team, and are still one of the top three
QuoteTyrone have the players and the experience, and will rightly be strong favourites to win back-to-back Ulster titles
The funny thing is that Monaghan think they will be dictating the type of game they play. That won't be happening. Tyrone will be setting the pace and Monaghan will be responing to that. It's exactly what Tyrone did to Antrim and what Down attempted on Tyrone before Tyrone took the bull by the horns and basically bullied Down about the place. Either way Tyrone win.
Who claimed this? Regardless of the result, I don't think Tyrone will be bullying Monaghan around the place. I'm amazed at the amount of Tyrone people who expect the team to just have to turn up. Being confident of your team and expecting them to win is fine, but most of ye seem to believe Tyrone will win pulling up, barely having to try. I've a notion it'll be a slightly tighter game than that. I can only hope Mickey Harte and the Tyrone team are as cocky but I doubt it.
Unlike some of the Tyronies here, I doubt that Mickey Harte would indulge in the folly construction of a trojan horse for the benefit of Monaghan to use.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 29, 2010, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
What was defective about the approach to the 2 games already played that would not work against the mightyTyrone?
I'm not saying it's defective just that it won't be good enough. It will take Tyrone about 10 mins to suck the life out of any disiplined offence.
And what Schkite says -
QuoteOf course Tyrone are a better team, and are still one of the top three
QuoteTyrone have the players and the experience, and will rightly be strong favourites to win back-to-back Ulster titles
The funny thing is that Monaghan think they will be dictating the type of game they play. That won't be happening. Tyrone will be setting the pace and Monaghan will be responing to that. It's exactly what Tyrone did to Antrim and what Down attempted on Tyrone before Tyrone took the bull by the horns and basically bullied Down about the place. Either way Tyrone win.
And in the event of this not happening? It's a dangerous enough game to play... Monaghan are not Antrim or Down so it's a tenuous link you make above.
Have you considered a 'shoot out' or is is the negative strangling tactic the only one on your radar?
The arrogance is un-fathomable here, to the point where I'm wondering is it a wind-up! This chat of second gear/third gear etc. disrespectful to say the least!
With all the talk on only needing 2nd and 3rd gear,
could it be that 4th gear looks like this?
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/91/217666256_c4e7fb92d2.jpg)
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2010, 01:23:40 PM
With all the talk on only needing 2nd and 3rd gear,
could it be that 4th gear looks like this?
Is that 'blue' lube you have on there Main? maybe that's the secret.. ;)
I fear for Monaghan in the ulster final. Mickey harte will have a big ambush set up and will have tyrone snuff out all the Aces Monaghan have used in their play thus far this year.
Once Tyrone got up and running they shut down Down completley. It was savagely done.
Monaghans counter attacking game wont know what to do when they are encouraged forward by the usual Tyrone tactics and Hartes master planning.
Beating an armagh team that had peaked for the league final and beating a Derry side that made france look like the harlem globetrotters in their togetherness was no test.
Tyrone are timing their run through ulster to take in the final and then after that plateau, start the climb for the summit.
While I think they could beat kerry, I'm not so sure they could take Cork.
Monaghan are no cork!
Tyronies by 8 points .
Lynchbhoy, nobody here has mentioned that beating Derry had even happened, never mind an event of any significance,
not even beating Tyrone (sure who didn't beat them?) in the league has any significance.
We haven't gone through the gears yet never mind revved high enough to tickle the turbo charge into action, been stuck in cruise controlt in all the test runs ;D
But, if not your vote, I'm sure we at least have your good will.
Read something on HS about big Sean being injury doubt for final -nany truth in this?
They won't need him and best to err on the side of caution and if there are any doubts about Sean's fitness hold him for the quarter-final.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 29, 2010, 10:17:02 PM
They won't need him and best to err on the side of caution and if there are any doubts about Sean's fitness hold him for the quarter-final.
:D Aye sure why not rest all the big men and give the minors a run out!
Jaysus I must have missed the game this year where Tyrone have put in a decent 70 mins
of football to warrant this kind of confidence :-\
Taped the Monaghan game on Sunday and watched tonight. To be honest its hard to see Monaghan winning after watching that. They've or 6 decent players who would probably make the Tyrone squad but there's 3 or 4 players who'd be lucky to feature in the top 50 players in Tyrone. That's no disrespect to Monaghan who are an improving team and give there all but just don't think they have enough.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2010, 10:57:34 PM
Taped the Monaghan game on Sunday and watched tonight. To be honest its hard to see Monaghan winning after watching that. They've or 6 decent players who would probably make the Tyrone squad but there's 3 or 4 players who'd be lucky to feature in the top 50 players in Tyrone. That's no disrespect to Monaghan who are an improving team and give there all but just don't think they have enough.
You'd be struggling to get 6 Monaghan players who you would definitely make the Tyrone side.
The Monaghan lads are all workers with the odd footballer threw in. Tyrone have 15 ball players. Tyrone to win by at least 6 points.
It is a home draw for Monaghan and they will find it easier to get motivated than Tyrone which will both work in their favour. That's why I'd give them a slight chance. Not sure why Paddy Power has the betting so close though, I'd say there's a few Tyrone posters here who will be out to make a few pound.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2010, 11:29:38 PM
It is a home draw for Monaghan and they will find it easier to get motivated than Tyrone which will both work in their favour. That's why I'd give them a slight chance. Not sure why Paddy Power has the betting so close though, I'd say there's a few Tyrone posters here who will be out to make a few pound.
Tyrone will be very short odds. Filll your boots on Tyrone !!!
After some of the arrogance and complete bullshit I have read in this thread, I sincerely hope Monaghan whip Tieyerown by 15 points ;D
Quote from: hardstation on June 29, 2010, 11:52:31 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 29, 2010, 11:44:13 PM
After some of the arrogance and complete bullshit I have read in this thread, I sincerely hope Monaghan whip Tieyerown by 15 points ;D
I'm sure you would love Monaghan to 'whip' Tyrone even if there had been no 'arrogance and complete bullshit' but why '15 points'?
Post macth he can say he wasn't serious. Get out clause.
Let's stop being silly and be serious for a minute...
Who will Monaghan want to avoid in the qualifiers?
Quote from: hardstation on June 29, 2010, 11:52:31 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on June 29, 2010, 11:44:13 PM
After some of the arrogance and complete bullshit I have read in this thread, I sincerely hope Monaghan whip Tieyerown by 15 points ;D
I'm sure you would love Monaghan to 'whip' Tyrone even if there had been no 'arrogance and complete bullshit' but why '15 points'?
It's more than 12 :D
Banty's Monaghan have always taken something from Armagh's style of play and Grimley's arrival means that there is a lot of experience from a period when Tyrone found it harder to beat Armagh than Kerry. Tyrone may beat Monaghan, but I don't think they will have it easy.
Have been busy today so only reading through the thread now
I'm amazed myself at the overwhelming positive attitude of my fellow county men & women.
I may have said a few things tongue in cheek the other evening but I meant most of it
Monaghan like Tyrone struggled in the league but difference was we were experimenting heavily with our large panel and have no real interest in the league any more
We were upset at getting nailed by Cork last summer who didnt have the b&lls to go and finish the job off.
Likewise I sense Monaghan will have this fear also that they will pay us too much respect and not have a clue who to double mark or where to build their defensive wall. How will they cope when we get a man sent off and the pressure of who becomes the spare man.
Will they double team up on Justy or Joe in case they push forward for scores or just play 2 keepers?
In fairness Tomboy Freeman & yer man at 11who's name escapes me right now are good players & will no doubt score if given good supply. Outside those two are ye depending on yer old Dick to get ye 5 points from play from outside the 40?
I'd say Hub just loves playing with against Dick.
Will ye be wearing Blue this time or do ye fancy another wee fine?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 29, 2010, 11:29:38 PM
It is a home draw for Monaghan and they will find it easier to get motivated than Tyrone which will both work in their favour. That's why I'd give them a slight chance.
Motivated? What are you on? if there are doubts about Tyrone getting motivated for an Ulster final, then they're already dead.
QuoteNot sure why Paddy Power has the betting so close though, I'd say there's a few Tyrone posters here who will be out to make a few pound.
You would think that at 5-4 on Tyrone with PP, that Tyronies would be pouring thousands on them wouldn't you? ;D
Place a Eur 100 bet and you are certain to win Eur80
But the reality is, the blind bluster here is about a Tyrone dream team, a team that might materialise in Clones and not about what we have seen so far, a good Tyrone team who will be defending their Ulster title. And maybe Armagh are in a better shape than Down.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2010, 06:24:28 PM
Lynchbhoy, nobody here has mentioned that beating Derry had even happened, never mind an event of any significance,
not even beating Tyrone (sure who didn't beat them?) in the league has any significance.
We haven't gone through the gears yet never mind revved high enough to tickle the turbo charge into action, been stuck in cruise controlt in all the test runs ;D
But, if not your vote, I'm sure we at least have your good will.
Actually in the league two wee teams called Cork and Kerry didn't manage to beat Tyrone, but who cares about the league anyway, not much room in the trophy cabinet at this stage for an old NFL cup.
On the match, its probably a bit early to be naming teams, hopefully no Tyrone players pick up injuries with the clubs in the run up to the Final. Its good to see Monaghan into the final again, its good when you see the lesser teams like themselves and Fermanagh getting a bit of exposure and even better to see their fans getting a wee day out (although it didnt last long in 2007 when Philly Jordan set the tone with the early goal). I just don't know what to expect from Monaghan, as in reality they have beaten a poor Armagh team and a terrible Fermanagh side and seem to think they are world beaters all of a sudden. The way the revered Banty operates smacks of desperation at times, what with sticking full backs in at full forward in 2007 and sticking defenders in goals in 2010, are Monaghan that stuck for players? Maybe Rory Woods can talk his uncle into lining out for the final.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 30, 2010, 12:01:47 AM
Let's stop being silly and be serious for a minute...
Who will Monaghan want to avoid in the qualifiers?
Tyrone, when Tyrone are on their way back from a few trips down the country in the qualifiers! :P
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on June 30, 2010, 09:14:23 AM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 30, 2010, 12:01:47 AM
Let's stop being silly and be serious for a minute...
Who will Monaghan want to avoid in the qualifiers?
Tyrone, when Tyrone are on their way back from a few trips down the country in the qualifiers! :P
That only says that you want to avoid Tyrone.
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2010, 06:24:28 PM
Lynchbhoy, nobody here has mentioned that beating Derry had even happened, never mind an event of any significance,
not even beating Tyrone (sure who didn't beat them?) in the league has any significance.
We haven't gone through the gears yet never mind revved high enough to tickle the turbo charge into action, been stuck in cruise controlt in all the test runs ;D
But, if not your vote, I'm sure we at least have your good will.
will have all the good will I can muster, but it generally doesnt do Derry much good - so dont think that Monaghan will do much from it !!
I received a €100 paddy power bet for a pressie last weekend, will prob stick it on tyrone, will nearly double my money , not bad for a 'safe bet' !!
What''s the craic with Hughes/Duffy? Is Duffy still injured or is he really that bad under the high ball?
Hughes was a stop-gap. He plays goal like a full back and that will cost Monaghan in the long run. He wasn't at fault for the two Fermanagh goals but he didn't even make a shape at them which doesn't bode well for the more saveable shots to come. If Hughes had been in goal for Tyrone against Down would they have won?
Sloppy goals notwithstanding, Monaghan by 4 ;)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 30, 2010, 09:29:31 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2010, 06:24:28 PM
Lynchbhoy, nobody here has mentioned that beating Derry had even happened, never mind an event of any significance,
not even beating Tyrone (sure who didn't beat them?) in the league has any significance.
We haven't gone through the gears yet never mind revved high enough to tickle the turbo charge into action, been stuck in cruise controlt in all the test runs ;D
But, if not your vote, I'm sure we at least have your good will.
will have all the good will I can muster, but it generally doesnt do Derry much good - so dont think that Monaghan will do much from it !!
I received a €100 paddy power bet for a pressie last weekend, will prob stick it on tyrone, will nearly double my money , not bad for a 'safe bet' !!
At least you are braver than these Tyrone lads - or more foolish ;D
On Betfair, there hasn't been a bet laid on Tyrone in ages.
I suspect that the bluster here is just the rattling of empty pockets.
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2010, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on June 30, 2010, 09:29:31 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 29, 2010, 06:24:28 PM
Lynchbhoy, nobody here has mentioned that beating Derry had even happened, never mind an event of any significance,
not even beating Tyrone (sure who didn't beat them?) in the league has any significance.
We haven't gone through the gears yet never mind revved high enough to tickle the turbo charge into action, been stuck in cruise controlt in all the test runs ;D
But, if not your vote, I'm sure we at least have your good will.
will have all the good will I can muster, but it generally doesnt do Derry much good - so dont think that Monaghan will do much from it !!
I received a €100 paddy power bet for a pressie last weekend, will prob stick it on tyrone, will nearly double my money , not bad for a 'safe bet' !!
At least you are braver than these Tyrone lads - or more foolish ;D
On Betfair, there hasn't been a bet laid on Tyrone in ages.
I suspect that the bluster here is just the rattling of empty pockets.
"Oh the credit crunch is killing me..."
Plenty of empty pockets around Tyrone indeed, but we're all saving the diesel money for the trips to Croker. Diesel money is about the only thing Monaghan will get off Tyrone this summer. :P
Reports are Ryan McMenamin has missed a couple of training sessions as of late.
Quote from: dropped short on June 30, 2010, 10:42:05 AM
Reports are Ryan McMenamin has missed a couple of training sessions as of late.
he's been locked in a cage and mickey harte has been poking him with a stick. he's getting released on 18th july in clones!!
Quote from: dropped short on June 30, 2010, 10:42:05 AM
Reports are Ryan McMenamin has missed a couple of training sessions as of late.
It's true and he's not the only one. In fact nobody is training for this one they just meet and play pool and stuff.
The losing mentality is never far away.
The excuses are already being set in advance, 'we didn't take Monaghan serious enough' 'we thought we would up the schedule after Clones' 'we thought there was no point in peaking too early for the likes of the Monaghan plodders'.
I doubt any excuses will be needed, will the old heads in the Monaghan team be able to keep up with the ferocity of their younger Tyrone counterparts?
Now Main Street, you are making up excuses that no one here has mentioned.
Would you prefer people hide like they usually do in saying things they don't mean so that they can save face if it all goes wrong? Look at all the ammunition you'll have if Monaghan win.
Re: the betting, don't you know we have an "excellent centre" to be building to try to rival that fancy place you have near Iniskeen. Can't be wasting money on gambling.
I see no reason why Tyrone can't win this. Logically we shouldn't lose until we meet someone better than us. And I don't think Monaghan fit that bill.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 30, 2010, 12:44:56 AM
Will they double team up on Justy or Joe in case they push forward for scores or just play 2 keepers?
lets double-team a couple of defending double-teamers...thats the future of gaelic right there ;D
I hope this years championship trend of lower division league teams beating higher division teams doesnt follow through for this decider. Wouldnt like to see Monaghan lose to a second tier side in the final. ;D
Quote from: J OGorman on June 30, 2010, 01:29:18 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 30, 2010, 12:44:56 AM
Will they double team up on Justy or Joe in case they push forward for scores or just play 2 keepers?
lets double-team a couple of defending double-teamers...thats the future of gaelic right there ;D
Ignore Fuzzman, on this thread he has already stated that Paul Grimley has added a bit of steel to a team that played "nice" football and admitted that he couldn't remember Paul Finlay's name.........a real fountain of football knowledge......... :D :D
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 30, 2010, 12:44:56 AM
In fairness Tomboy Freeman & yer man at 11who's name escapes me right now are good players & will no doubt score if given good supply. Outside those two are ye depending on yer old Dick to get ye 5 points from play from outside the 40?
You're clearly bang up to date with our scoring threat. McManus isn't even on your radar. Might be worth considering that 9 players scored against Fermanagh. There was a pretty decent spread in the Armagh game too. We're not short of options to send over a few points.
The general tone of this thread is difficult to comprehend. I've been at both Tyrone games this year and I haven't seen anything spectacular. Maybe they just haven't been properly tested? Same as Monaghan then.
Quote from: Rois on June 30, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
Logically we shouldn't lose until we meet someone better than us. And I don't think Monaghan fit that bill.
Is sporting results were dictated by logic...
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 30, 2010, 12:44:56 AM
Likewise I sense Monaghan will have this fear also that they will pay us too much respect
Not a hope. 2007 will stand to Monaghan big time. Beating Tyrone in Inniskeen (yes, i know it was only the league... but psychologically it may be more significant from a Monaghan perspective - It had been a long time since Monaghan had beaten Tyrone) will also do no harm. There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game due to having too much respect for Tyrone. There will be no fear. Monaghan will be up for this from the throw in and i'd be surprised if we went into significant arrears at the start of the game.
Monaghan could be over confident going into this game. There is a danger Monaghan could find cause not to show Tyrone the proper respect and this could cost them dearly.
I was just trying to annoy ye lads with purposely not remembering Finlay
He's on my Fantasy team and thought he was a class act years ago
How old is he now? I see he made a bit of a stand for his team mate too
I am not totally writing off Monaghan folks but am amazed from 2003 onwards how ye seem to be optimistic.
Would I be right some of ye think ye could go the whole way this year if things go right for ye?
I think McManus will have not come up against a player like Justy before.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 30, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 30, 2010, 12:44:56 AM
Likewise I sense Monaghan will have this fear also that they will pay us too much respect
Not a hope. 2007 will stand to Monaghan big time. Beating Tyrone in Inniskeen (yes, i know it was only the league... but psychologically it may be more significant from a Monaghan perspective - It had been a long time since Monaghan had beaten Tyrone) will also do no harm. There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game due to having too much respect for Tyrone. There will be no fear. Monaghan will be up for this from the throw in and i'd be surprised if we went into significant arrears at the start of the game.
I have to say that's a line I hate hearing. Saying a team had "too much respect" for another team. I think it's a load of auld bull. I think it's just another way of saying, "that team were better than you and they showed it on the day".
PS That's not actually in relation to this game just a point in general. Maybe I should put it in the gear grinding thread!!
McManus hasn't exactly been scoring for fun, I think he has something like two points from play in the two games so far, hardly impressive considering the total posted by Monaghan. Tyrone were well able to curb a seemingly more potent Down attack in the last game so the Monaghan forwards are hardly going to strike fear into Tyrone. I simply think there is too many average players in the Monaghan side to really break into that top bracket.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 30, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 30, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
Logically we shouldn't lose until we meet someone better than us. And I don't think Monaghan fit that bill.
Is sporting results were dictated by logic...
Agreed, but without the value of time travel and therefore not knowing the result, a logical (Tyrone :P) person would at this stage conclude that we should beat Monaghan.
Monaghan Have progressed this year under the leadership of Paul G the armagh man. but i don t see this being a factor in the ulster final. tyrone by 7
I didn't think there was such a thing as a logical Tyrone person ;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2010, 04:02:28 PM
McManus hasn't exactly been scoring for fun, I think he has something like two points from play in the two games so far, hardly impressive considering the total posted by Monaghan. Tyrone were well able to curb a seemingly more potent Down attack in the last game so the Monaghan forwards are hardly going to strike fear into Tyrone. I simply think there is too many average players in the Monaghan side to really break into that top bracket.
He hasn't been scoring for fun in the championship, but racked up good scores in the league, second to Bernard Brogan in Div. 1 if I'm not mistaken. What's been most impressive about him in the last two games is his all round play, none of his markers could keep near him and he was at the heart of most of Monaghan's scores, especially against Fermanagh. He'll have it tougher against Tyrone of course but hopefully he can rise to the occasion. I'd have to disagree about Down having a more potent attack, but that's just my opinion.
No Schkite, it is not just your opinion.
And I do believe that Armagh have more about them than Down.
They certainly don't have less.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 30, 2010, 03:27:35 PM
Monaghan could be over confident going into this game. There is a danger Monaghan could find cause not to show Tyrone the proper respect and this could cost them dearly.
Now you mention respect ::)
What do you want, a guard of honour for the Tyrone players before and after the game? ;D
It is taken for granted that Monaghan have respect for this opponent and respect for Mickey Harte and Tyrone GAA is beyond doubt. Respect for the opponent is something you could certainly brush up on. What on earth gives you the idea that Monaghan might not respect Tyrone? Just because a few Monaghan posters on here are fully confident in their team performing up to and even beyond their ability, in the Ulster Final?
Monaghan are not going into this game like kids visiting a candy store for the first time, like they did in 2007. This is a much better team than that day. They are not going in afraid of Tyrone or afraid of getting beat, they are going in to win the Ulster Final.
Getting to the Ulster final itself is no big deal, I certainly feel no sense of achievement, this team is totally focussed on beating Tyrone. For us Monaghan folk, we are fortunate that the players/ management have dedicated themselves to get into this position to achieve it.
Frig me that's all Monaghan need, another all star back into the Tyrone squad.
I would ask Tyrone to do a lap of honour after the Ulster final this year. Last year when Dooher and McMenamin lifted the Anglo - Celt cup and barely smiled and the team walked straight into the dressing room. My cubs were at their first Ulster final and would have loved to see the team going around the field with cup. l know the All Ireland is the main objective but at least pretend to be happy to win Ulster.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 30, 2010, 08:36:31 PM
I would ask Tyrone to do a lap of honour after the Ulster final this year. Last year they Dooher and McMenamin lifted the Anglo - Celt cup and barely smiled and the team walked straight into the dressing room. My cubs were at their first Ulster final and would have loved to see the team going around the field with cup. l know the All Ireland is the main objective but at least pretend to be happy to win Ulster.
:D
Your arrogance knows no bounds. I hope yis get stuffed :P
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 30, 2010, 08:36:31 PM
I would ask Tyrone to do a lap of honour after the Ulster final this year. Last year they Dooher and McMenamin lifted the Anglo - Celt cup and barely smiled and the team walked straight into the dressing room. My cubs were at their first Ulster final and would have loved to see the team going around the field with cup. l know the All Ireland is the main objective but at least pretend to be happy to win Ulster.
A lot of the fans probably won't stay at the end so would it not make sense just to do the lap of honour at the start of the game so everyone gets a chance to see it? Maybe between the pre match parade and anthem?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 30, 2010, 10:29:54 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 30, 2010, 08:36:31 PM
I would ask Tyrone to do a lap of honour after the Ulster final this year. Last year they Dooher and McMenamin lifted the Anglo - Celt cup and barely smiled and the team walked straight into the dressing room. My cubs were at their first Ulster final and would have loved to see the team going around the field with cup. l know the All Ireland is the main objective but at least pretend to be happy to win Ulster.
A lot of the fans probably won't stay at the end so would it not make sense just to do the lap of honour at the start of the game so everyone gets a chance to see it? Maybe between the pre match parade and anthem?
:D You're a rascal Santa, good idea tho.
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on June 30, 2010, 03:27:35 PM
Monaghan could be over confident going into this game. There is a danger Monaghan could find cause not to show Tyrone the proper respect and this could cost them dearly.
Now you mention respect ::)
What do you want, a guard of honour for the Tyrone players before and after the game? ;D
It is taken for granted that Monaghan have respect for this opponent and respect for Mickey Harte and Tyrone GAA is beyond doubt. Respect for the opponent is something you could certainly brush up on. What on earth gives you the idea that Monaghan might not respect Tyrone?
I didn't bring it up. I took it from here.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 30, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game due to having too much respect for Tyrone. There will be no fear.
I don't see how monaghan can win this game!! I get the feeling that Tyrone will always have that little bit extra for whatever monaghan throws at them. (and i don't think monaghan are as good as they are made out to be :-\) Tyrone by 5.
Think Monaghan offer something different than in previous, great going forward, solid at the back, and that full back turned keeper seems up to any task. Shock on the cards.
Monaghan by 8
Quote from: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 05:18:39 AM
Think Monaghan offer something different than in previous, great going forward, solid at the back, and that full back turned keeper seems up to any task. Shock on the cards.
Monaghan by 8
Up to any task? Did you see the 2 goals that went by him at the weekend? It looked like he had lead in his boots, he could barely move.
I think im entitled to my opinion
The sense of entitlement on this thread is sickening.
Zapatista wait and see kid ;)
It'll be a long time waiting for Monaghan to win Ulster ;)
Quote from: Zapatista on July 01, 2010, 08:54:11 AM
The sense of entitlement on this thread is sickening.
The sense of
entitlement arrogance on this thread is sickening.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2010, 10:41:03 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 01, 2010, 08:54:11 AM
The sense of entitlement on this thread is sickening.
The sense of entitlement arrogance on this thread is sickening.
It's not arrogance. It's the 16th man.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 01, 2010, 12:38:38 AM
I didn't bring it up. I took it from here.
"There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game due to having too much respect for Tyrone. There will be no fear."
Piss poor comprehension Zap, perhaps a sign of desperation to fill the large gaps in your actual football analysis?
Maguire is quite succinct when he writes that the Monaghan team won't be burdened by having too much respect for Tyrone. Equally so, Monaghan won't be burdened by a false sense of where they are in Ulster football after their 2 impressive victories. Both Monaghan and Tyrone will have their hands full trying to gain the upper hand.
Should make interesting viewing for the dedicated neutral.
Seems to be an outbreak of hoganstand on this thread ???. Anyway this looks a tough game to call. Its still hard to know exactly where Tyrone are. They werent really tested most of last summer then produced a very insipid performance in the All-Ireland Semi. The subsequent league campaign was underwhelming although it was good to see a few younger lads get a chance (and a few older lads get a break). The two championship games to date havent told us all that much either with Tyrone producing perhaps 1 spell of great football in each match then seeing it out. Some Tyrone posters are talking about the team going up through the gears as required but we havent seen yet if Tyrone 2010 are capable of that. Id like Brian McGuigan to come back into the starting team and we will need a greater scoring return from the full-forward line. SON if fit will make a difference there.
Monaghan in many ways go into the game in better shape than Tyrone. Their league campaign was ultimately a success and for all that Armagh and Fermanagh were sh*t Monaghan still ran up two very impressive scores against them. They played at a high level for pretty much the 70 minutes in both matches, unlike Tyrone. The age profile is different but the way Monaghan are playing is a bit like Tyrone back at the start of the Harte reign. Should be a fascinating game, too close to call.
At last...... a sensible Tyrone poster......
To be honest I'd be more wary of meeting Monaghan further down the line in the AI serie. They should be handy bate on the 18th,but like Derry in 2001, may be a tougher cookie on down the road.
On the contrary, further down the line, a Tyrone team, with the smell of a Sam Maguire wafting more strongly through their nostrils, with more proven fluidity to their game, would imo be a more formidable opponent for Monaghan than in this cosy local affair.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 01, 2010, 12:46:40 PM
To be honest I'd be more wary of meeting Monaghan further down the line in the AI serie. They should be handy bate on the 18th,but like Derry in 2001, may be a tougher cookie on down the road.
How? ::)
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 01, 2010, 11:28:41 AM
Seems to be an outbreak of hoganstand on this thread ???. Anyway this looks a tough game to call. Its still hard to know exactly where Tyrone are. They werent really tested most of last summer then produced a very insipid performance in the All-Ireland Semi. The subsequent league campaign was underwhelming although it was good to see a few younger lads get a chance (and a few older lads get a break). The two championship games to date havent told us all that much either with Tyrone producing perhaps 1 spell of great football in each match then seeing it out. Some Tyrone posters are talking about the team going up through the gears as required but we havent seen yet if Tyrone 2010 are capable of that. Id like Brian McGuigan to come back into the starting team and we will need a greater scoring return from the full-forward line. SON if fit will make a difference there.
Sense at last! I've been to both Tyrone's championship games this year and totally agree with you. They'll be very hard to beat as they are massively experienced as evidenced in the Down game but I genuinely don't think it will be the one sided game some of your fellow Tyrone posters are purporting..
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2010, 01:56:53 PM
On the contrary, further down the line, a Tyrone team, with the smell of a Sam Maguire wafting more strongly through their nostrils, with more proven fluidity to their game, would imo be a more formidable opponent for Monaghan than in this cosy local affair.
..and no safety net!
on reflection I now think tyronies will win it by 10 points ! :'(
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 01, 2010, 02:50:25 PM
on reflection I now think tyronies will win it by 10 points ! :'(
Do you seriously think either Tyrone or Monaghan folk on here are gonna take a Derry man backing Tyrone seriously? ;D
I think the issue is can Tyrone do an Ulster final minor and senior double? It would be good if the younger lads went into the quarter finals as Ulster champions as well.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 01, 2010, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 01, 2010, 02:50:25 PM
on reflection I now think tyronies will win it by 10 points ! :'(
Do you seriously think either Tyrone or Monaghan folk on here are gonna take a Derry man backing Tyrone seriously? ;D
sure its no odds if ya dont GMF !
I hardly enjoy predicting wins for the red arse county !
A handy game for Enda to break himself back in again ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on July 01, 2010, 04:02:35 PM
A handy game for Enda to break himself back in again ;)
Agreed EC, he shouldn't have to put too much strain on his hamstrings against the like of Dick Clerkin, it will be a good wee warm up for him and get him ready for the big games that will be coming up.
Must have been some close scrape down in Carlow, Lynchbhoy is cracking up, right in front of our eyes.
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2010, 04:26:35 PM
Must have been some close scrape down in Carlow, Lynchbhoy is cracking up, right in front of our eyes.
that happened a long time ago MS !!
Quote from: Zapatista on July 01, 2010, 12:38:38 AM
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on June 30, 2010, 03:27:35 PM
Monaghan could be over confident going into this game. There is a danger Monaghan could find cause not to show Tyrone the proper respect and this could cost them dearly.
Now you mention respect ::)
What do you want, a guard of honour for the Tyrone players before and after the game? ;D
It is taken for granted that Monaghan have respect for this opponent and respect for Mickey Harte and Tyrone GAA is beyond doubt. Respect for the opponent is something you could certainly brush up on. What on earth gives you the idea that Monaghan might not respect Tyrone?
I didn't bring it up. I took it from here.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 30, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game due to having too much respect for Tyrone. There will be no fear.
There's the subtle difference between having respect for a team and having too much respect (or indeed too little), to the extent that it impairs a team's performance.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 30, 2010, 04:02:28 PM
McManus hasn't exactly been scoring for fun, I think he has something like two points from play in the two games so far, hardly impressive considering the total posted by Monaghan.
It might be worth looking at the number of frees he won and the fact that Fermanagh had 4 different defenders on him during the game. One statistic in isolation tells half a story. He was also MOTM for both BBC and Irish News. But by all means, underestimate him.
Again, a bit surprised by the way many Tyrone posters are disregarding Monaghan. In 2007, Tyrone won by 2 points. That was Monaghan's first Ulster Final in 20 odd years and they were clearly like a rabbit in the headlights for the first 10-15 minutes, letting Tyrone build up a very healthy lead.
This is 2010, Monaghan have 2007 under their belts, so the nerves shouldn't be a significant factor. Monaghan are definitely a better team than they were in 2007; are Tyrone better, the same, or worse? Again, remembering that Tyrone only won by 2 points in 2007.
I'm not sure where these wild winning margins are coming from.
As a Tyrone man, I must say I'm somewhat bemused and embarrassed by the arrogance and overconfidence of some on this thread.It's not like the lads have really done anything of particular note in the two Championship games thus far, neither of the vanquished teams was anything special, in fact some might say I'm being kind there.
And whilst this year, so far, might appear to be more promising than last it cannot be denied that there are a lot of miles on the legs of some of the more established players, players who have been the bedrock of whatever success has flowed these last few years.
After a decidedly indifferent League campaign (I know, of little relevance, but still) a swallow (or two) does not the summer make; therefore a little more circumspection and a little less hot-air convection, a little more humility and a little less hubris, would not go amiss;
A few examples:
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2010, 01:25:04 PM
Personally I am not at all worried going into this final...
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
Monaghan are not going into this game like kids visiting a candy store for the first time, like they did in 2007. This is a much better team than that day. They are not going in afraid of Tyrone or afraid of getting beat, they are going in to win the Ulster Final.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 30, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game... There will be no fear. Monaghan will be up for this...
Yep, as a Tyrone man and fellow Ulsterman of the Monaghan contributors I really am somewhat bemused and embarrassed, for (some of) them! :P ;D
Oh ye of little faith...
Personally I think we'd be safer setting up a quarter final thread and leaving the Monaghan lads to it here. Not much point in discussing a game we're unlikely to lose. I know it's early but has anyone any preferences for who'd they'd like in the quarters? The Dubs? Armagh? Cork?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 01, 2010, 05:30:31 PM
As a Tyrone man, I must say I'm somewhat bemused and embarrassed by the arrogance and overconfidence of some on this thread.
It's not like the lads have really done anything of particular note in the two Championship games thus far, neither of the vanquished teams was anything special, in fact some might say I'm being kind there.
And whilst this year, so far, might appear to be more promising than last it cannot be denied that there are a lot of miles on the legs of some of the more established players, players who have been the bedrock of whatever success has flowed these last few years.
After a decidedly indifferent League campaign (I know, of little relevance, but still) a swallow (or two) does not the summer make; therefore a little more circumspection and a little less hot-air convection, a little more humility and a little less hubris, would not go amiss;
A few examples:
Quote from: Main Street on June 28, 2010, 01:25:04 PM
Personally I am not at all worried going into this final...
Quote from: Main Street on June 30, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
Monaghan are not going into this game like kids visiting a candy store for the first time, like they did in 2007. This is a much better team than that day. They are not going in afraid of Tyrone or afraid of getting beat, they are going in to win the Ulster Final.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 30, 2010, 03:00:46 PM
There's not a mission Monaghan will lose this game... There will be no fear. Monaghan will be up for this...
Yep, as a Tyrone man and fellow Ulsterman of the Monaghan contributors I really am somewhat bemused and embarrassed, for (some of) them! :P ;D
You make Benny Hill appear highbrow.
Maybe this smartass editing of quotes is regarded as great craic in Tyrone.
And no doubt the other Tyronies who have been struggling with basic comprehension would find it all a hoot.
Does this moronic schoolyard stuff happen in all the Tyrone threads?
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 01, 2010, 07:04:45 PM
Personally I think we'd be safer setting up a quarter final thread and leaving the Monaghan lads to it here. Not much point in discussing a game we're unlikely to lose. I know it's early but has anyone any preferences for who'd they'd like in the quarters? The Dubs? Armagh? Cork?
I wouldn't really fancy running into Cork in the quarters. I think we'd handle the rest ok.
Ahhhh lads & lassies ye've all lost the run of yerselves
I know we've got bigger fish to fry should we get that far but I am not in the camp that we'll hammer Monaghan
I'm even worried that we might struggle against them should they get off to a good start
Remember the start they got in 2005 was it in Croker with us needing great goals from M&C to take control in the second half
I must say I didn't enjoy the Ulster final in 2007 and thought Monaghan were very dirty and had it not been for some skillful diving on Tyrone's behalf I'm not sure how we'd have faired
Anyways I think Monaghan will give us a hell of a game and depending on how we take our scores and stop them from scoring too much will determine the outcome of this fascinating encounter.
I hope its a nice sunny day in Clones and that football is the winner at the end of the day and Spillane wont me moaning too much
Monaghan will never get a better chance to win Ulster and i expect them to fight tooth and nail for every ball and in the end prevail.The Grimley factor can not be underestimated either.
Quote from: ardchieftain on July 01, 2010, 11:55:43 PM
Monaghan will never get a better chance to win Ulster and i expect them to fight tooth and nail for every ball and in the end prevail.The Grimley factor can not be underestimated either.
Aye-that's really worried Tyrone in the past ::)
QuoteWhat is 'The Grimley Factor'?
It works the same as Sun Protection Factor, it doesn't stop Tyrone burning you but it makes it a lot less likely.
Monaghan to win, 1-13 to 0-11. (HT 1-7 to 0-7)
Freeman 1-3, Finlay 0-5, Dick 0-2, AN Other 0-2, Corey 0-1
Penrose 0-4, O'Neill 0-2, Mugsy 0-1, Hub 0-1, Cavanagh S, 0-1, P Harte 0-1, Joe McMahon 0-1
2 red cards - Gormley and B McGuigan.
Quote from: hardstation on July 02, 2010, 12:00:28 AM
What is 'The Grimley Factor'?
You don't know?
;D
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/kmh/lowres/kmhn624l.jpg)
Couldn't have put it better myself Armaghniac.
Really looking forward to this game. It should be quite the tussle.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 01, 2010, 11:20:09 PM
Remember the start they got in 2005 was it in Croker with us needing great goals from M&C to take control in the second half
Are you joking? Your boys can't even remember the 2010 NFL, never mind the halcyon days of 2005! ::)
Quote from: ONeill on July 02, 2010, 12:34:13 AM
Monaghan to win, 1-13 to 0-11. (HT 1-7 to 0-7)
Freeman 1-3, Finlay 0-5, Dick 0-2, AN Other 0-2, Corey 0-1
Penrose 0-4, O'Neill 0-2, Mugsy 0-1, Hub 0-1, Cavanagh S, 0-1, P Harte 0-1, Joe McMahon 0-1
2 red cards - Gormley and B McGuigan.
Arse boxin... ;)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8776025.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8776025.stm)
Briliant! ;D
Arse-boxin aside, Monaghan have been mightily impressive this year. They dismantled Armagh like no other side in recent years (prob a decade) and treated Fermanagh like pesky irritants. It was like the Tyrone of 2003. Monaghan seem to be in the zone - a team hell bent of securing the legacy of this side with an Ulster title and they'll trample over anything that gets in their way. If Tyrone fall the same way as Armagh and Fermanagh then they deserve all the plaudits that'll come their way, especially after the abuse that befell them v Derry in 2009. How much of that is down to Grimley I don't know but last year Monaghan looked like a team that'd emptied the tank this last 3-4 years.
However, Tyrone are in a position that is rather advantageous. No matter what the bookies say (they'll have Tyrone odds-on) the majority of pundits and general public will fancy Monaghan to take this one. Tyrone haven't really put together a good half this year whilst Monaghan are blitzing sides. Sean Cavanagh was in the paper last week talking about 'this great Monaghan side' that everyone is going on about and how they're up against it. The pressure really is on Monaghan now. Can they deliver? Against Kerry twice and Tyrone twice in the last five years they had the chance to announce their arrival as a genuine heavyweight but fell short. It's now or never in terms of winning an Anglo-Celt for the first time in nearly a quarter of a century.
Tyrone on the other hand don't really have much pressure on them. They've loosely talked about winning back-to-back Ulsters but not with much conviction in terms of it being an all-consuming goal. For the first time in Mickey's reign, Tyrone can approach a championship game knowing that win or lose, they're still on course - a loss will only be a slight blip and maybe a welcome extra game before the quarters. No one would begrudge Monaghan an Ulster title. Have they the knackers to grasp it?
Incidentally, I've heard people claim that this is a Monaghan outfit who know this is their last big push - how many of that side are 28-32?
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 02, 2010, 10:24:32 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8776025.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8776025.stm)
Briliant! ;D
Vivid memories of that game and Cranney. Remember a few serious threats against his safety!
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 02, 2010, 10:24:32 AM
Briliant! ;D
Aaahhhh... the memories in the distant mists of time ;)
Quote from: ONeill on July 02, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
Arse-boxin aside, Monaghan have been mightily impressive this year. They dismantled Armagh like no other side in recent years (prob a decade) and treated Fermanagh like pesky irritants. It was like the Tyrone of 2003. Monaghan seem to be in the zone - a team hell bent of securing the legacy of this side with an Ulster title and they'll trample over anything that gets in their way. If Tyrone fall the same way as Armagh and Fermanagh then they deserve all the plaudits that'll come their way, especially after the abuse that befell them v Derry in 2009. How much of that is down to Grimley I don't know but last year Monaghan looked like a team that'd emptied the tank this last 3-4 years.
However, Tyrone are in a position that is rather advantageous. No matter what the bookies say (they'll have Tyrone odds-on) the majority of pundits and general public will fancy Monaghan to take this one. Tyrone haven't really put together a good half this year whilst Monaghan are blitzing sides. Sean Cavanagh was in the paper last week talking about 'this great Monaghan side' that everyone is going on about and how they're up against it. The pressure really is on Monaghan now. Can they deliver? Against Kerry twice and Tyrone twice in the last five years they had the chance to announce their arrival as a genuine heavyweight but fell short. It's now or never in terms of winning an Anglo-Celt for the first time in nearly a quarter of a century.
Tyrone on the other hand don't really have much pressure on them. They've loosely talked about winning back-to-back Ulsters but not with much conviction in terms of it being an all-consuming goal. For the first time in Mickey's reign, Tyrone can approach a championship game knowing that win or lose, they're still on course - a loss will only be a slight blip and maybe a welcome extra game before the quarters. No one would begrudge Monaghan an Ulster title. Have they the knackers to grasp it?
Incidentally, I've heard people claim that this is a Monaghan outfit who know this is their last big push - how many of that side are 28-32?
Good post, and regarding the reference to Tyrone potentially going into the qualifiers I think that a defeat against Monaghan would actually do more good for Tyrone this season in the long run, not that I will be hoping they lose come Ulster Final day.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 02, 2010, 11:01:54 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 02, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
Arse-boxin aside, Monaghan have been mightily impressive this year. They dismantled Armagh like no other side in recent years (prob a decade) and treated Fermanagh like pesky irritants. It was like the Tyrone of 2003. Monaghan seem to be in the zone - a team hell bent of securing the legacy of this side with an Ulster title and they'll trample over anything that gets in their way. If Tyrone fall the same way as Armagh and Fermanagh then they deserve all the plaudits that'll come their way, especially after the abuse that befell them v Derry in 2009. How much of that is down to Grimley I don't know but last year Monaghan looked like a team that'd emptied the tank this last 3-4 years.
However, Tyrone are in a position that is rather advantageous. No matter what the bookies say (they'll have Tyrone odds-on) the majority of pundits and general public will fancy Monaghan to take this one. Tyrone haven't really put together a good half this year whilst Monaghan are blitzing sides. Sean Cavanagh was in the paper last week talking about 'this great Monaghan side' that everyone is going on about and how they're up against it. The pressure really is on Monaghan now. Can they deliver? Against Kerry twice and Tyrone twice in the last five years they had the chance to announce their arrival as a genuine heavyweight but fell short. It's now or never in terms of winning an Anglo-Celt for the first time in nearly a quarter of a century.
Tyrone on the other hand don't really have much pressure on them. They've loosely talked about winning back-to-back Ulsters but not with much conviction in terms of it being an all-consuming goal. For the first time in Mickey's reign, Tyrone can approach a championship game knowing that win or lose, they're still on course - a loss will only be a slight blip and maybe a welcome extra game before the quarters. No one would begrudge Monaghan an Ulster title. Have they the knackers to grasp it?
Incidentally, I've heard people claim that this is a Monaghan outfit who know this is their last big push - how many of that side are 28-32?
Good post, and regarding the reference to Tyrone potentially going into the qualifiers I think that a defeat against Monaghan would actually do more good for Tyrone this season in the long run, not that I will be hoping they lose come Ulster Final day.
So who's doing who a favour here??
Quote from: ONeill on July 02, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
Arse-boxin aside, Monaghan have been mightily impressive this year. They dismantled Armagh like no other side in recent years (prob a decade) and treated Fermanagh like pesky irritants. It was like the Tyrone of 2003. Monaghan seem to be in the zone - a team hell bent of securing the legacy of this side with an Ulster title and they'll trample over anything that gets in their way. If Tyrone fall the same way as Armagh and Fermanagh then they deserve all the plaudits that'll come their way, especially after the abuse that befell them v Derry in 2009. How much of that is down to Grimley I don't know but last year Monaghan looked like a team that'd emptied the tank this last 3-4 years.
However, Tyrone are in a position that is rather advantageous. No matter what the bookies say (they'll have Tyrone odds-on) the majority of pundits and general public will fancy Monaghan to take this one. Tyrone haven't really put together a good half this year whilst Monaghan are blitzing sides. Sean Cavanagh was in the paper last week talking about 'this great Monaghan side' that everyone is going on about and how they're up against it. The pressure really is on Monaghan now. Can they deliver? Against Kerry twice and Tyrone twice in the last five years they had the chance to announce their arrival as a genuine heavyweight but fell short. It's now or never in terms of winning an Anglo-Celt for the first time in nearly a quarter of a century.
Tyrone on the other hand don't really have much pressure on them. They've loosely talked about winning back-to-back Ulsters but not with much conviction in terms of it being an all-consuming goal. For the first time in Mickey's reign, Tyrone can approach a championship game knowing that win or lose, they're still on course - a loss will only be a slight blip and maybe a welcome extra game before the quarters. No one would begrudge Monaghan an Ulster title. Have they the knackers to grasp it?
Incidentally, I've heard people claim that this is a Monaghan outfit who know this is their last big push - how many of that side are 28-32?
Good assessment O'Neill. They have fallen short in all their years together (taking 2004 as the starting point), apart from the NFL Div2 title that year (it's all relative lads!). On the age profile I'd say the following squad players are between 28-32;
Shane Duffy
Dermot McArdle
JP Mone
Gary McQuaid
Damien Freeman
Dick Clerkin
Rory Woods
Paul Finlay (might be just 28)
Tommy Freeman
Monaghan are a terrific team and I am delighted to see them in another USFC Final and against Tyrone too. This will service us well, as we had it too easy against Antrim last week that eventually costed us problems against Cork in the semi-final. When we win Ulster this team and go onto win Sam, Monaghan can take pride in giving us a test before the real football started.
On the contrary, most pundits and most neutrals, will fancy Tyrone to edge this one.
The talk amongst pundits is that Monaghan will give Tyrone, at a minimum, a serious test and have a fair to good chance of winning.
There is no wave of expectation from pundits or the knowledgeable public that Monaghan will win.
Here on the board with the neutrals, there is maybe a hope amongst some, that Monaghan will do it but there is no evident expectation that they will do it.
Inside Monaghan, of course the pressure is on to win the Anglo Celt. The expectation is that that they are ready for this game and play out the whole 70 mins.
Quote from: ziggysego on July 02, 2010, 12:25:14 PM
Monaghan are a terrific team and I am delighted to see them in another USFC Final and against Tyrone too. This will service us well, as we had it too easy against Antrim last week that eventually costed us problems against Cork in the semi-final. When we win Ulster this team and go onto win Sam, Monaghan can take pride in giving us a test before the real football started.
With a statement like that at least you can claim after the game that you were talking absolute bullsh*t..
The best 'disclaimer' to date it has to be said..
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 02, 2010, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 02, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
Arse-boxin aside, Monaghan have been mightily impressive this year. They dismantled Armagh like no other side in recent years (prob a decade) and treated Fermanagh like pesky irritants. It was like the Tyrone of 2003. Monaghan seem to be in the zone - a team hell bent of securing the legacy of this side with an Ulster title and they'll trample over anything that gets in their way. If Tyrone fall the same way as Armagh and Fermanagh then they deserve all the plaudits that'll come their way, especially after the abuse that befell them v Derry in 2009. How much of that is down to Grimley I don't know but last year Monaghan looked like a team that'd emptied the tank this last 3-4 years.
However, Tyrone are in a position that is rather advantageous. No matter what the bookies say (they'll have Tyrone odds-on) the majority of pundits and general public will fancy Monaghan to take this one. Tyrone haven't really put together a good half this year whilst Monaghan are blitzing sides. Sean Cavanagh was in the paper last week talking about 'this great Monaghan side' that everyone is going on about and how they're up against it. The pressure really is on Monaghan now. Can they deliver? Against Kerry twice and Tyrone twice in the last five years they had the chance to announce their arrival as a genuine heavyweight but fell short. It's now or never in terms of winning an Anglo-Celt for the first time in nearly a quarter of a century.
Tyrone on the other hand don't really have much pressure on them. They've loosely talked about winning back-to-back Ulsters but not with much conviction in terms of it being an all-consuming goal. For the first time in Mickey's reign, Tyrone can approach a championship game knowing that win or lose, they're still on course - a loss will only be a slight blip and maybe a welcome extra game before the quarters. No one would begrudge Monaghan an Ulster title. Have they the knackers to grasp it?
Incidentally, I've heard people claim that this is a Monaghan outfit who know this is their last big push - how many of that side are 28-32?
Good assessment O'Neill. They have fallen short in all their years together (taking 2004 as the starting point), apart from the NFL Div2 title that year (it's all relative lads!). On the age profile I'd say the following squad players are between 28-32;
Shane Duffy
Dermot McArdle
JP Mone
Gary McQuaid
Damien Freeman
Dick Clerkin
Rory Woods
Paul Finlay (might be just 28)
Tommy Freeman
GMF what about Vinny Mone? Damien Freeman is the other side of that age bracket...
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
You make Benny Hill appear highbrow.
Maybe this smartass editing of quotes is regarded as great craic in Tyrone.
And no doubt the other Tyronies who have been struggling with basic comprehension would find it all a hoot.
Does this moronic schoolyard stuff happen in all the Tyrone threads?
:D :D :D
Fish in a barrel.
Still, for someone who passionately believes that some Indian bloke can survive for decades on nothing more than ambient air, there's no reason why Monaghan can't win an Ulster on nothing more than hot air, especially as expelled from your rear end.
:D :D :D
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2010, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 02, 2010, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 02, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
Arse-boxin aside, Monaghan have been mightily impressive this year. They dismantled Armagh like no other side in recent years (prob a decade) and treated Fermanagh like pesky irritants. It was like the Tyrone of 2003. Monaghan seem to be in the zone - a team hell bent of securing the legacy of this side with an Ulster title and they'll trample over anything that gets in their way. If Tyrone fall the same way as Armagh and Fermanagh then they deserve all the plaudits that'll come their way, especially after the abuse that befell them v Derry in 2009. How much of that is down to Grimley I don't know but last year Monaghan looked like a team that'd emptied the tank this last 3-4 years.
However, Tyrone are in a position that is rather advantageous. No matter what the bookies say (they'll have Tyrone odds-on) the majority of pundits and general public will fancy Monaghan to take this one. Tyrone haven't really put together a good half this year whilst Monaghan are blitzing sides. Sean Cavanagh was in the paper last week talking about 'this great Monaghan side' that everyone is going on about and how they're up against it. The pressure really is on Monaghan now. Can they deliver? Against Kerry twice and Tyrone twice in the last five years they had the chance to announce their arrival as a genuine heavyweight but fell short. It's now or never in terms of winning an Anglo-Celt for the first time in nearly a quarter of a century.
Tyrone on the other hand don't really have much pressure on them. They've loosely talked about winning back-to-back Ulsters but not with much conviction in terms of it being an all-consuming goal. For the first time in Mickey's reign, Tyrone can approach a championship game knowing that win or lose, they're still on course - a loss will only be a slight blip and maybe a welcome extra game before the quarters. No one would begrudge Monaghan an Ulster title. Have they the knackers to grasp it?
Incidentally, I've heard people claim that this is a Monaghan outfit who know this is their last big push - how many of that side are 28-32?
Good assessment O'Neill. They have fallen short in all their years together (taking 2004 as the starting point), apart from the NFL Div2 title that year (it's all relative lads!). On the age profile I'd say the following squad players are between 28-32;
Shane Duffy
Dermot McArdle
JP Mone
Gary McQuaid
Damien Freeman
Dick Clerkin
Rory Woods
Paul Finlay (might be just 28)
Tommy Freeman
GMF what about Vinny Mone? Damien Freeman is the other side of that age bracket...
Vinney Corey or Dessie Mone?? Neither are over 28 AFAIK. Damien Freeman and Dermot McArdle are indeed the other end, 33ish I think..
I presume the teams will be playing in their second colours. Do Tyrone have a new red jersey designed yet?
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on July 02, 2010, 02:23:49 PM
I presume the teams will be playing in their second colours. Do Tyrone have a new red jersey designed yet?
It's hard to know what colour Monaghan will turn up in.. ::) The choice costs them €6000 though!
Just back from week's training & I notice my name all over this thread
I'll have to check did the wife or the young cub do any other damage.
I think this could be the best Ulster final for a long time if Monaghan continue their standard of improvement.
Tactically I'd say Harte might have one over on the Monaghan bench as he knows most of his players can play various different ways but that could also be our downfall.
I think its very important that SoN is back fit & ready to go from the start
Mugsy's game suffers for one when Stevie's not there and even though Big Sean can play 14 well, he's not got the same FF cleverness to know when to turn & shoot or when to flick it on and tends not to bring others into play as well.
I think wee Tommy Freeman is a great wee player even though he annoys me so much with his attitude and often finger pointing at defenders marking him
Of course he'll be a marked man as will McManus ;) but Tyrone are well used to dealing with teams with a few good forwards
So as usual it will come down to how well we break even around the middle and can Hub & prob Colm Cava get a grip of the game here and not let Monaghan get too much ball into their FF line
I think it could be a fascinating challenge as many would say Monaghan are still on the way up whilst many are still doubting that Tyrone are on the way down.
Having Joey & Justy fit the last year or two has really added some solidity to our defense and as we know both can push forward & take scores.
I'm still reasonably confident we can push on & struggle past Monaghan but if not maybe an extra game going into a 1/4 final might be of benefit as often we have seen the provincial winners get screwed over waiting weeks for their next game.
Anyways I reckon it will end up being a Tyrone v Derry Final with the Bradley brothers being reunited with Jame Kielt player of the year.
I'll get my coat
What do you think the match up's be for this game?
Conor McManus----> Justin McMahon
Tommy Freeman-----> Dermot Carlin
Paul Finlay-----> Conor Gormley
Sean Canvanagh----> Vincent Corey
Brian Dooher--------> Damian Freeman
Owen Mulligan-------> JP Mone
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 02, 2010, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
You make Benny Hill appear highbrow.
Maybe this smartass editing of quotes is regarded as great craic in Tyrone.
And no doubt the other Tyronies who have been struggling with basic comprehension would find it all a hoot.
Does this moronic schoolyard stuff happen in all the Tyrone threads?
:D :D :D
Fish in a barrel.
Still, for someone who passionately believes that some Indian bloke can survive for decades on nothing more than ambient air, there's no reason why Monaghan can't win an Ulster on nothing more than hot air, especially as expelled from your rear end.
:D :D :D
Another Tyronie with a flexible grasp of comprehension. I never stated any beliefs remotely, re the old codger's claims, either way.
Feck it, sure why should I give a f*ck what goes through a Tyronies brain, but what ever goes through there, has plenty of space to give one hell of a good rattle. ;D
Tyrone still at 4/5 lads. Have none of ye taken up the banker bet of this century?
Go on, sure it's such a safe bet.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 02, 2010, 01:17:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 02, 2010, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 02, 2010, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 02, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
Arse-boxin aside, Monaghan have been mightily impressive this year. They dismantled Armagh like no other side in recent years (prob a decade) and treated Fermanagh like pesky irritants. It was like the Tyrone of 2003. Monaghan seem to be in the zone - a team hell bent of securing the legacy of this side with an Ulster title and they'll trample over anything that gets in their way. If Tyrone fall the same way as Armagh and Fermanagh then they deserve all the plaudits that'll come their way, especially after the abuse that befell them v Derry in 2009. How much of that is down to Grimley I don't know but last year Monaghan looked like a team that'd emptied the tank this last 3-4 years.
However, Tyrone are in a position that is rather advantageous. No matter what the bookies say (they'll have Tyrone odds-on) the majority of pundits and general public will fancy Monaghan to take this one. Tyrone haven't really put together a good half this year whilst Monaghan are blitzing sides. Sean Cavanagh was in the paper last week talking about 'this great Monaghan side' that everyone is going on about and how they're up against it. The pressure really is on Monaghan now. Can they deliver? Against Kerry twice and Tyrone twice in the last five years they had the chance to announce their arrival as a genuine heavyweight but fell short. It's now or never in terms of winning an Anglo-Celt for the first time in nearly a quarter of a century.
Tyrone on the other hand don't really have much pressure on them. They've loosely talked about winning back-to-back Ulsters but not with much conviction in terms of it being an all-consuming goal. For the first time in Mickey's reign, Tyrone can approach a championship game knowing that win or lose, they're still on course - a loss will only be a slight blip and maybe a welcome extra game before the quarters. No one would begrudge Monaghan an Ulster title. Have they the knackers to grasp it?
Incidentally, I've heard people claim that this is a Monaghan outfit who know this is their last big push - how many of that side are 28-32?
Good assessment O'Neill. They have fallen short in all their years together (taking 2004 as the starting point), apart from the NFL Div2 title that year (it's all relative lads!). On the age profile I'd say the following squad players are between 28-32;
Shane Duffy
Dermot McArdle
JP Mone
Gary McQuaid
Damien Freeman
Dick Clerkin
Rory Woods
Paul Finlay (might be just 28)
Tommy Freeman
GMF what about Vinny Mone? Damien Freeman is the other side of that age bracket...
Vinney Corey or Dessie Mone?? Neither are over 28 AFAIK. Damien Freeman and Dermot McArdle are indeed the other end, 33ish I think..
Dessie is 26. Vinny is 27, as is Finlay. Duffy and Dick around 28, Tommy and Woods 29, McQuaid 30, JP 31 and McArdle and Damien are about 33 alright.
Despite being the elder statesmen of the team, Damien and McArdle look in great shape, they're fellas that would really look after themselves and look like they could go for a while yet, Damien especially, that break during the league did him the world of good, as it did for McQuaid. I would expect JP to hang up the boots after this year, he's still playing great stuff imo but is married with a couple of young kids and think he might quit, it's alot of commitment for someone with a young family and he's been there a long time. It would be great for him and the other older fellas to have some silverware to show after all the years they've been with the county, but it has to be earned on the day.
Quote from: Main Street on July 02, 2010, 07:12:40 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 02, 2010, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 01, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
You make Benny Hill appear highbrow.
Maybe this smartass editing of quotes is regarded as great craic in Tyrone.
And no doubt the other Tyronies who have been struggling with basic comprehension would find it all a hoot.
Does this moronic schoolyard stuff happen in all the Tyrone threads?
:D :D :D
Fish in a barrel.
Still, for someone who passionately believes that some Indian bloke can survive for decades on nothing more than ambient air, there's no reason why Monaghan can't win an Ulster on nothing more than hot air, especially as expelled from your rear end.
:D :D :D
Another Tyronie with a flexible grasp of comprehension. I never stated any beliefs remotely, re the old codger's claims, either way.
Oh yeah? --> http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16105.30
Which is it, Alzheimers or senility? ;)
Though if Monaghan produce as many tricks as that old fraud on the 18th we're fecked.
Anyone familar wth the seating plan in the Pat McGrane stand? As you pass through the turntiles what letter is the first section you come to ?
I remember from last years final the my seat was in section AA which was on the far side of the McGrane stand and possibly the worst view I have ever had at a GAA match.
Quote from: Gaffer on July 03, 2010, 02:21:40 PM
Anyone familar wth the seating plan in the Pat McGrane stand? As you pass through the turntiles what letter is the first section you come to ?
I remember from last years final the my seat was in section AA which was on the far side of the McGrane stand and possibly the worst view I have ever had at a GAA match.
L
the sections from left to right (if you are facing Gerry Arthurs stand) are:
L K J H G F E D C B A
Quote from: clarshack on July 04, 2010, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on July 03, 2010, 02:21:40 PM
Anyone familar wth the seating plan in the Pat McGrane stand? As you pass through the turntiles what letter is the first section you come to ?
I remember from last years final the my seat was in section AA which was on the far side of the McGrane stand and possibly the worst view I have ever had at a GAA match.
L
the sections from left to right (if you are facing Gerry Arthurs stand) are:
L K J H G F E D C B A
Great stuff Clarshack. Appreciated
BBC.co.uk have been showing the classic match highlights for the games, very good to watch. The 88 final was on there, Nudie Hughes running the show.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8776025.stm
looking forward to it, the local barman is a monaghan man and has been going on and on about the game,
So Kerry are the first provincial winners of 2010
Will Sligo, Monaghan & Louth join them as 4 surprise winners for the year
Its certainly possible anyways?
Any team news or injuries lads over the weekend?
Will Davey or Ricey be back in I wonder?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2010, 11:13:56 PM
So Kerry are the first provincial winners of 2010
Will Sligo, Monaghan & Louth join them as 4 surprise winners for the year
Its certainly possible anyways?
Any team news or injuries lads over the weekend?
Will Davey or Ricey be back in I wonder?
I think Sligo and Louth will.
Davey will be back. I have him on my fantasy team as I have him as a cert to start every game. I was very disappointed last time >:(
Quote from: Zapatista on July 04, 2010, 11:49:36 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 04, 2010, 11:13:56 PM
So Kerry are the first provincial winners of 2010
Will Sligo, Monaghan & Louth join them as 4 surprise winners for the year
Its certainly possible anyways?
Any team news or injuries lads over the weekend?
Will Davey or Ricey be back in I wonder?
I think Sligo and Louth will.
Davey will be back. I have him on my fantasy team as I have him as a cert to start every game. I was very disappointed last time >:(
Your claiming Louth will beat Meath but Monaghan won't beat Tyrone? ::)
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 08:31:49 AM
Your claiming Louth will beat Meath but Monaghan won't beat Tyrone? ::)
What's wrong with that?
Quote from: Zapatista on July 05, 2010, 08:33:37 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 08:31:49 AM
Your claiming Louth will beat Meath but Monaghan won't beat Tyrone? ::)
What's wrong with that?
I reckon Monanghan have a better chance of beating Tyrone than Louth have of beating Meath! :o
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on July 05, 2010, 08:33:37 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 08:31:49 AM
Your claiming Louth will beat Meath but Monaghan won't beat Tyrone? ::)
What's wrong with that?
I reckon Monanghan have a better chance of beating Tyrone than Louth have of beating Meath! :o
That's deadly.
Quote from: thejuice on July 04, 2010, 10:43:54 AM
BBC.co.uk have been showing the classic match highlights for the games, very good to watch. The 88 final was on there, Nudie Hughes running the show.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8776025.stm
looking forward to it, the local barman is a monaghan man and has been going on and on about the game,
Newgrange?
Antrim hammered by Kildare doesn't bode well for Tyrone. Dick must be licking his lips.
Quote from: ONeill on July 05, 2010, 09:58:45 AM
Antrim hammered by Kildare doesn't bode well for Tyrone. Dick must be licking his lips.
How do you work that one out??
Bloody work getting in the way of my board posting most days now.
Watched that BBC programme extract. Was amazed to hear that was the first time the two teams met in the final despite both teams being in loads of finals. That's was my first Ulster final with our club man Paddy Ball playing well at No7.
Lads if Freeman is well marked and doesn't score much would ye still be thinking there's enough firepower there to still cause us much damage.
I'd imagine McManus will have a tough game v Justy or Joey. Block probably v Finlay.
How long a break is there between the final and the qualifier?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 05, 2010, 06:36:06 PM
Lads if Freeman is well marked and doesn't score much would ye still be thinking there's enough firepower there to still cause us much damage.
Considering Freeman (only) scored 3 points from a total of 21 against Fermanagh and 1-04 out of 1-18 against Armagh, I wouldn't be too worried.
There's a much greater spread of scorers for us this year than in the past, midfield and the half-back line chipping in well. Of course if Tommy, McManus and Finlay are all held, then Tyrone will be on their way to winning it, but Tyrone will be doing well to shut them all down the form they're in.
Who will be on Tommy anyway, Gormley no?
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2010, 08:24:24 PM
There's a much greater spread of scorers for us this year than in the past, midfield and the half-back line chipping in well. Of course if Tommy, McManus and Finlay are all held, then Tyrone will be on their way to winning it, but Tyrone will be doing well to shut them all down the form they're in.
Who will be on Tommy anyway, Gormley no?
After Inniskeen, let's hope so!
Would Carlin be in with a shout for picking up Tommy?
I'd imagine Justy will be on Mc Manus, Block on Finlay and Swift (if playing) on Hanratty or replacement(I'd say Mc Elroy would be in with a shout for a start?)
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 05, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
Would Carlin be in with a shout for picking up Tommy?
I'd imagine Justy will be on Mc Manus, Block on Finlay and Swift (if playing) on Hanratty or replacement(I'd say Mc Elroy would be in with a shout for a start?)
He should be on form, but I can see Hanratty starting again. The thing with him is, you'll know what kind of a game he'll have from the first couple of touches he gets, if he scores with his first shot he could have a stormer, if he puts one short or gives the ball away he's likely to have a frustrating day and be called ashore early. Hopefully it's the former as god knows he's due more of them, and McElroy is still a good man to come on and get a couple of points. We'll need all our weapons firing to beat Tyrone and if Hanratty can play a similar role to what he did against Armagh, or even better against Derry in the qualifiers last year, I'd be happy with that.
Hanrattys' a fierce man for doing very little with a whole pile of effort, although his hair is probably responsible for a lot of it :)
He can win a few frees.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 05, 2010, 10:36:55 PM
He can win a few frees.
Yeah, that's been his main contribution the last while(and he can do it well), but as a corner-forward he really should be contributing more scoring-wise. He has a unique way of running with the ball(to say the least!), the way he jigs around the place the defenders never know what he's going to do with the ball. Problem is, often he doesn't either! He looks like he's handling a hot potato alot of the time but does draw a good few frees as you say.
He is out of his depth. McManus has been very good tho.
The Monaghan men on the board - Schkite, Maguire and Grandmasterflash - that's the build up like down Oriel way? Is it a big, big deal - moreso than 2007 - or has that experience made it a more measured affair?
Not arse-boxin but I'm sure that, although it's Tyrone they're playing, there's big expectations.
Quote from: ONeill on July 05, 2010, 11:53:47 PM
The Monaghan men on the board - Schkite, Maguire and Grandmasterflash - that's the build up like down Oriel way? Is it a big, big deal - moreso than 2007 - or has that experience made it a more measured affair?
Not arse-boxin but I'm sure that, although it's Tyrone they're playing, there's big expectations.
Haven't been home in the last few weeks so can't really say. I get the impression that there's more confidence this time though, more belief that this team can take Tyrone.
Hanratty can' be that bad if he's on the first 15...
He gave Marc O'Se a while roasting in croke the other year. He shapes funny as a footballer though.
Anyone know anything about getting tickets for this?
I have my season ticket, but I've managed to chat a few friends into going to the final too. Keep me company on the way from Belfast to Clones.
None of us are affiliated with clubs so I was wondering if the tickets will be on general sale, or will it only be through clubs?
Edit: Never mind, I checked Ticketmaster and they are selling for the final already.
Although that begs the question of where my ticket will be for to try and get us all in the same area
The build up is very quiet, is it me or our area, or is it generally the form?
Quote from: Doohicky on July 06, 2010, 08:56:51 AM
Anyone know anything about getting tickets for this?
I have my season ticket, but I've managed to chat a few friends into going to the final too. Keep me company on the way from Belfast to Clones.
None of us are affiliated with clubs so I was wondering if the tickets will be on general sale, or will it only be through clubs?
Edit: Never mind, I checked Ticketmaster and they are selling for the final already.
Although that begs the question of where my ticket will be for to try and get us all in the same area
Get tickets for the hill, O Duffy or Roslea Road end (which are open terraces). That way you'll be together.
Quote from: ONeill on July 05, 2010, 11:53:47 PM
The Monaghan men on the board - Schkite, Maguire and Grandmasterflash - that's the build up like down Oriel way? Is it a big, big deal - moreso than 2007 - or has that experience made it a more measured affair?
Not arse-boxin but I'm sure that, although it's Tyrone they're playing, there's big expectations.
I'm living in Belfast mesel O Neill. Was down for the Fermanagh game and was surprised at the amount of flags dawned from houses/shops/silage pits/mail bins etc. I'd say a bit of that was the Fermanagh factor (different to the Grimley factor however!) though i.e. a local derby. As Maguire says, the level of expectation would definitely be higher and there would be more confidence. Nobody that I know would be underestimating the task or would be complacent about it in any way. At the end of the day, a lot of Monaghan folik (incl. myself) would have seen Tyrone playing more in Clones than Monaghan in the last 15/20 years and know what they're about...
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 06, 2010, 09:35:31 AM
Quote from: Doohicky on July 06, 2010, 08:56:51 AM
Anyone know anything about getting tickets for this?
I have my season ticket, but I've managed to chat a few friends into going to the final too. Keep me company on the way from Belfast to Clones.
None of us are affiliated with clubs so I was wondering if the tickets will be on general sale, or will it only be through clubs?
Edit: Never mind, I checked Ticketmaster and they are selling for the final already.
Although that begs the question of where my ticket will be for to try and get us all in the same area
Get tickets for the hill, O Duffy or Roslea Road end (which are open terraces). That way you'll be together.
Not much good if my season ticket is limited to one of the seating areas though is it?
It 'shouldn't' be, but that's not a guarantee
I don't know whether the championship is different, but in the league you could email the season ticket people and request your ticket for a different area in the ground i.e. the terrace if you wanted.
There's no flags or bunting down here at all in Dublin
Well none except in my house in Clontarf who also happen to where Red & White like Louth jersey
Quote from: ONeill on July 05, 2010, 11:53:47 PM
The Monaghan men on the board - Schkite, Maguire and Grandmasterflash - that's the build up like down Oriel way? Is it a big, big deal - moreso than 2007 - or has that experience made it a more measured affair?
Not arse-boxin but I'm sure that, although it's Tyrone they're playing, there's big expectations.
Pretty much as Maguire and GMF say, there's more confidence that this Monaghan team can beat Tyrone, but at the same time everyone is still very wary of Tyrone and see it very much as a tough mission to beat them. Expectation is higher than in recent years but not to the stage of people fully expecting Monaghan to beat Tyrone, everyone knows the difficulty of the task at hand.
One of the Tyrone posters questioned the respect / fear factors earlier in the thread. Banty has summed it up nicely:
Quote"It is a huge task, one we are looking forward to. We totally respect Tyrone. They have won three All-Irelands and are possible the best team I've seen leave Ulster from I have started to watch football.
"But we don't fear them. We don't fear anybody. This group of players has a belief within themselves. It is about pushing on from where we are," added the Corduff man.
And we love you too Banty ;)
Fair words, in fairness.
was 2005 the last Ulster final that went to a draw?
I have to give it to ye farney crew that you're certainly approaching the game the right way.
I still think if SoN plays Tyrone will win but I'm not convinced he will play the whole game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 06, 2010, 08:42:08 PM
was 2005 the last Ulster final that went to a draw?
I have to give it to ye farney crew that you're certainly approaching the game the right way.
I still think if SoN plays Tyrone will win but I'm not convinced he will play the whole game.
Armagh - Fermanagh 2008.
Banty does talk some bull occasionally, but even when he obviously goes way overboard with the flattery, there will always be some Tyronies around to swallow it wholesale.
We won't be playing yesteryear's team.
Well actually, maybe we are playing yesteryear's team.
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2010, 10:53:27 PM
Banty does talk some bull occasionally, but even when he obviously goes way overboard with the flattery, there will always be some Tyronies around to swallow it wholesale.
I know what you mean:
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
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"But we don't fear them. We don't fear anybody.
...
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2010, 11:05:12 PM
Christ almighty! Obviously I want us to win Ulster and get into a quarter-final that way, but if we lost and then get to the quarter-final, the sight of being drawn against Kerry yet again would make me cry!
+1
Some rubbish all right :D
I see the beeb have it that O'Neill is doubtful: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8794959.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8794959.stm). The injury looked innocuous enough but was obviously worse than first feared..
There's no point in dressing it up, that's advantage Monaghan. Even if the man's on the pitch that's your best defender tied up and possibly the dreaded sweeper system too to cut supply into him. If he doesn't make it would it likely be M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan in the FF line with Brian McGuigan starting at CHF? I thought he done enough there the last day to merit a start..
Banty's favourite expression
"We emptied the tank out there"
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 06, 2010, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2010, 10:53:27 PM
Banty does talk some bull occasionally, but even when he obviously goes way overboard with the flattery, there will always be some Tyronies around to swallow it wholesale.
I know what you mean:
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
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"But we don't fear them. We don't fear anybody.
...
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2010, 11:05:12 PM
Christ almighty! Obviously I want us to win Ulster and get into a quarter-final that way, but if we lost and then get to the quarter-final, the sight of being drawn against Kerry yet again would make me cry!
+1
Some rubbish all right :D
You'll have to elaborate for me Strabane Man (considering there are quite a few mushrooms between my ears). I'm not getting your joined up thinking here?! ::)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 06, 2010, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2010, 10:53:27 PM
Banty does talk some bull occasionally, but even when he obviously goes way overboard with the flattery, there will always be some Tyronies around to swallow it wholesale.
I know what you mean:
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
Quote
"But we don't fear them. We don't fear anybody.
...
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2010, 11:05:12 PM
Christ almighty! Obviously I want us to win Ulster and get into a quarter-final that way, but if we lost and then get to the quarter-final, the sight of being drawn against Kerry yet again would make me cry!
+1
Some rubbish all right :D
What I meant there, it's not so much that we're "afraid" of Kerry(although they'd obviously be one of the toughest draws going and still wouldn't want to draw them), but that it would be de-ja vu all over again! Kerry are the only non-Ulster team we've played in the championship since 2006 FFS! Seriously getting sick of the sight of some teams!
Quote from: Schkite on July 06, 2010, 11:17:37 PM
What I meant there, it's not so much that we're "afraid" of Kerry(although they'd obviously be one of the toughest draws going and still wouldn't want to draw them), but that it would be de-ja vu all over again! Kerry are the only non-Ulster team we've played in the championship since 2006 FFS! Seriously getting sick of the sight of some teams!
I'll give you the benefit of my doubt there Schkite; maybe it's because we laugh (uncontrollably) with joy any time we draw Kerry that we automatically interpret anyone who sheds a tear as being fearful of them ;)
"But we don't fear them. We don't fear anybody. This group of players has a belief within themselves. It is about pushing on from where we are," added the Corduff man. [/size] [/quote]
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I was only messing about respect earlier. Good of Banty to address it all the same. My view on it would be, if he is serious then he is conceding ground. I'd be letting my players know that they will not be getting any respect. What would you be respecting them about? Claiming you'll respect them automatically makes you inferior.
Jeepers O'Neill has tara bad luck with injuries.
If he doesn't start it more than likely frees up that CHF slot with Sean moving to FF. Tommy/Brian battle perhaps. As you say, going by the Down game, Brian has put in some claim.
I wonder how close McGinley, Mellon, McCullagh or Coney are to starting. I'd like to see P Harte getting a wing half forward spot with either Ricey or Davy back at 5.
Considering that Kyle Coney hasn't been used in the championship yet,its highly unlikely that he's in Harte's thoughts for a start.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 06, 2010, 11:15:42 PM
You'll have to elaborate for me Strabane Man (considering there are quite a few mushrooms between my ears). I'm not getting your joined up thinking here?! ::)
"joined up thinking" ;D
But this time, I hope he has enough cop to enjoin such an invitation.
Quote from: Main Street on July 07, 2010, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 06, 2010, 11:15:42 PM
You'll have to elaborate for me Strabane Man (considering there are quite a few mushrooms between my ears). I'm not getting your joined up thinking here?! ::)
"joined up thinking" ;D
But this time, I hope he has enough cop to enjoin such an invitation.
A bit more cop-on than your grasp of the English language (evidently):
enjoin–verb (used with object)
1. to prescribe (a course of action) with authority or emphasis: The doctor enjoined a strict diet.
2. to direct or order to do something: He was enjoined to live more frugally.
3. Law . to prohibit or restrain by an injunction.WTF?! ::)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 06, 2010, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2010, 10:53:27 PM
Banty does talk some bull occasionally, but even when he obviously goes way overboard with the flattery, there will always be some Tyronies around to swallow it wholesale.
I know what you mean:
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
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"But we don't fear them. We don't fear anybody.
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Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2010, 11:05:12 PM
Christ almighty! Obviously I want us to win Ulster and get into a quarter-final that way, but if we lost and then get to the quarter-final, the sight of being drawn against Kerry yet again would make me cry!
+1
Some rubbish all right :D
Yes, because clearly Banty was talking on behalf of the general Monaghan public and not just the squad. ::)
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 07, 2010, 06:39:22 PM
Yes, because clearly Banty was talking on behalf of the general Monaghan public and not just the squad. ::)
You're a sharp one, that stinging riposte can't have taken you more than a single... day! :P
Why Tyrone will beat Monaghan - http://www.tyronegaa.ie/tyrone-gaa-tv/
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 07, 2010, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 06, 2010, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 06, 2010, 10:53:27 PM
Banty does talk some bull occasionally, but even when he obviously goes way overboard with the flattery, there will always be some Tyronies around to swallow it wholesale.
I know what you mean:
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 06, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
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"But we don't fear them. We don't fear anybody.
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Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on July 05, 2010, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 05, 2010, 11:05:12 PM
Christ almighty! Obviously I want us to win Ulster and get into a quarter-final that way, but if we lost and then get to the quarter-final, the sight of being drawn against Kerry yet again would make me cry!
+1
Some rubbish all right :D
Yes, because clearly Banty was talking on behalf of the general Monaghan public and not just the squad. ::)
I know he likes his wee power trips, but is your man McEnaney now the King of Monaghan or something?
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 09, 2010, 08:26:44 AM
I know he likes his wee power trips, but is your man McEnaney now the King of Monaghan or something?
What is this Country coming to? A Goat is the king of Kerry and now a Hen is the king of Monaghan. Where will it end ???
And none a patch on Philomena.
What about Brave Harte
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Any word on the injury front?
I presume a clean bill of health apart from SON and Cass?
Hopefully SON is fit enough to be used as a sub at the least.
Gotta wonder whay he wasn't using mouldies on that casement pitch???? (unless they were the screw in type)
Any word on who is referee for the game? Hopefully not a Louth man.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 12, 2010, 01:43:42 PM
Any word on who is referee for the game? Hopefully not a Louth man.
Howard Webb
Quote from: tyroneman on July 12, 2010, 01:07:49 PM
Any word on the injury front?
I presume a clean bill of health apart from SON and Cass?
Hopefully SON is fit enough to be used as a sub at the least.
Gotta wonder whay he wasn't using mouldies on that casement pitch???? (unless they were the screw in type)
Son never trained at the weekend so i would assume he`s not going to make it unless he does a lazarus act,everybody else fit apart from cassidy.
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 12, 2010, 01:43:42 PM
Any word on who is referee for the game? Hopefully not a Louth man.
David Coldrick -
MeathThat's Monaghan screwed then!
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 12, 2010, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 12, 2010, 01:43:42 PM
Any word on who is referee for the game? Hopefully not a Louth man.
David Coldrick - Meath
That's Monaghan screwed then!
The conspiracy theorists will love that !
I expect Banty to state that Monaghan fear nothing from Coldrick, that we go into this game with proper due respect for the appointed referee and we aim to win this game by playing the game fairly and squarely.
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 04:25:50 PM
I expect Banty to state that Monaghan fear nothing from Coldrick, that we go into this game with proper due respect for the appointed referee and we aim to win this game by playing the game fairly and squarely.
and that his boys will empty the tank out there
These days, we don't have to empty the tank.
Quote from: Main Street on July 12, 2010, 08:24:50 PM
These days, we don't have to empty the tank.
Not in the first two rounds you didn t. Sunday'll be another matter
Hang on a second, let me find it, rewind.
"We don't fear anybody, we have full respect for Armagh Fermanagh Tyrone, but we are supremely confident in our ability."
I for one fear Monaghan and will pay them the respect they now deserve
Its' a weird and maybe condescending thing to say but its been a while since I've went to a game feeling like this.
I think you could even see a draw with the Meath ref having a tough game on his hands.
I see its a 2pm throw in and with the minors at 12 it could be an early start
Still, the wife doesn't need to know I'll be home early,
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Monaghan are the form team, Harte insists
Mickey Harte admits Monaghan's impressive form is a big concern to him ahead of Sunday's Ulster SFC final.
The Farney County have crushed Armagh and Fermanagh in their last two outings and Harte accepts that they have played a lot better than Tyrone have in reaching the decider.
"If you're looking at current form, they are the form team of the championship so far as they games they've played, they've coasted through them," the Tyrone manager said in the Irish News.
"In any province, nobody has shown as much quality and as much ability to be ahead of their opponents, so that's where they're coming from. We understand that, but we're not low in confidence either. We have a good side, we have a lot of experience.
"We mightn't have had the prettiest of victories, but to me it's not about pretty at this tage, it's about actually getting the victory. We have our two victories as well and this is the one that counts now."
He continued: "They (Monaghan) have been the most impressive side, with the scores they racked up, and the new people coming in and giving them a sort of a new angle that probably wasn't there a couple of years ago, as well as the experience of those who were there.
"So probably their mix is more potent than it would have been to date, so that's something we have to understand and try to contend with. We'll do our best to do that. We'll keep our eyes open and see what we can see."
A tough game lies ahead for Tyrone but thats what you want at this stage of the season. Should know better after this weekend if the team are capable of stepping it up and not just playing for spells in games. That's been the big problem over the last two years.
Assuming O'Neill doesn't start I'd guess Brian McGuigan will come in with Cavanagh at full forward. Both Swift and Peter Harte could come under pressure to start. Harte's best chance may be in the forwards with Joe McMahon in defence. If McMenamin is fit he could claim a starting spot. Any word of who's been going well in training?
FOSB any chance you can post up the article with Paul Grimley in today's IN? Thought it was quite interesting in that it was absent of the usual pre match cliches that are bandied about around this time. He appears to be refreshing in his honesty and calls a spade a spade.
Sorry omagh_gael, the Irish News don't have their 'save page as a PDF' currently enabled (currently greyed out), can only be saved as the JPEG -- no good for here (took the above from Hoganstand).
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 13, 2010, 10:26:46 PM
Sorry omagh_gael, the Irish News don't have their 'save page as a PDF' currently enabled (currently greyed out), can only be saved as the JPEG -- no good for here (took the above from Hoganstand).
Which was better than the version in the IN which repeated the same thing about 5 times to fill the back page!
Quite simply Monaghan.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 13, 2010, 10:26:46 PM
Sorry omagh_gael, the Irish News don't have their 'save page as a PDF' currently enabled (currently greyed out), can only be saved as the JPEG -- no good for here (took the above from Hoganstand).
Ah right only took a quick gander at your post and thought it was the IN article.
I'd say TD is on the money regarding starting 15. SoN highly unlikely to make the starting team if he missed out training at the weekend. Will be interesting to see how we fare if Sean does play in FF alongside Mugsy, something that never occurred for any length of time during the championship run in 08.
I see the Tyrone team taking refuge on our side while they scive off for the day/weekend.. Kick our ass at football but use us as a safehouse.. Its just use and abuse.. ;D
Brian Dooher has been ruled out of Sunday's game due to getting his leg stuck in our round tower.
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Hehe.
They've fierce small Towers round your way Maguire. Sure Dooher's only five foot nothin and it still only reaches his togs!
No-One seems to know for sure but from my sources Stevie will not play any part on Sunday.
His heel has been very slow to heal and so I'd say you'll see Big Sean back in at FF
Wonder will we see any shock inclusions like Coney or Mulgrew
Mickey throws in the odd curve ball for games like this
I think I'll try to get in for the minor match for a change
What times are the pubs open from?
Going to pick up my tickets now in a few minutes, will try to suss out the story on SON.
Reasons why Tyrone will win
Most experienced team in Ireland, leaders all over the field ( especially Dooher, the Clan na nGael Iniesta ).the shrewdest manager in Ireland, hunger for 2 Ulsters in a row and a 4th All-Ireland and I believed all year that if anyone beat Down in Ulster they would win it.
Reasons why Monaghan will win
On the 11th July we made a 700 km round-trip from the Val de Loire to Lyon, crossing two great motorways of Europe.Given the day that was in it, there were loads of Dutch cars on the road taking their families to various camp-sites around France and Spain where they would win all the tennis, water-polo and bonny baby competitions before settling down to watch their nation in the World Cup final.We must have seen thousands of NL cars during the 7 hour journey but all day we saw just one flag- on a 10 D Opel Insignia complete with 2 Monaghan stickers.
Monaghan it is
I know its only Wed but can you name the team you'd like to see for your own county and give any explanations for changes to the normal
Packie
Carlin - Man to Mark Freeman
Justy
Cathal McCarron - Have saw Swift twice now and Thought he was just OK
Joey
Block
Jordan
Hub
Colm Cavanagh as Sunday will be no place for Mr Nicey
Dooher
Brian McGuigan - Still has what it takes and gives FF line time to shoot
Peter Harte - Could be our best player this year if gets enough ball
Penrose - workhorse that needs to make his score taking more consistent
Sean Big - Need to not be so 1 dimensional and lay better ball off
Mugsy - Need to work harder and stop fumbling but still a danger for goals.
I might put Joey at MF actually, drop Colm and put Ricey back into wing back.
Would be happy enough with that team. Think I'd leave Joe McMahon out of midfield as he does his best work in defence and despite his size has never convinced in the air there. He is currently one of most important players on the team.
I'm also not convinced yet that Peter Harte is ready to start yet. He will become a very good player but may be better used of bench at this stage. A fit Stevie O'Neill would take his place but with him unlikely to start there'd be a few in contention to start. Would not be suprised if Davy Harte finds his way back into the team although personally I woulnt start him.
It does sound a bit like the North Koreans there, with the family dynasty from the Supreme Leader evident in the team.
Could we ever think of swapping Justin and Joe? I love to see Justin on the ball, think he's a man who can cover a lot of distance with a couple of solos and a couple of bounces with those big strides.
Justin is definitely wasted in there. He is just too good. Cormac McAnallan done a super job in there and he was also wasted, as was Moynihan for Kerry. Really talented footballers can play in the trickiest positions but so much is taken from out the park. Then again, if the danger men inside are taken care off, then it's worth it as far as the managers are concerned. It's a tough one to call, but I'd like to see him move out the field in the next year or 2. Is there going to be a quality full back to step in though. I'd prefer to keep Joe out the field a bit further where his distribution is vital.
Any word on SoN Rois?
Weather not looking the best for Sunday.
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The time will soon be up. Tyrone's days are numbered as Ulster champions.
p.s. don't forget to bring that Anglo Celt cup with you.
QuotePosted by: Main Street
The time will soon be up. Tyrone's days are numbered as Ulster champions.
p.s. don't forget to bring that Anglo Celt cup with you.
Ah well sure it was a great decade while it lasted. Look after it for us til our minors of 2008 take it back off you shortly.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 14, 2010, 04:48:01 PM
I know its only Wed but can you name the team you'd like to see for your own county and give any explanations for changes to the normal
Packie
Carlin - Man to Mark Freeman
Justy
Cathal McCarron - Have saw Swift twice now and Thought he was just OK
Joey
Block
Jordan
Hub
Colm Cavanagh as Sunday will be no place for Mr Nicey
Dooher
Brian McGuigan - Still has what it takes and gives FF line time to shoot
Peter Harte - Could be our best player this year if gets enough ball
Penrose - workhorse that needs to make his score taking more consistent
Sean Big - Need to not be so 1 dimensional and lay better ball off
Mugsy - Need to work harder and stop fumbling but still a danger for goals.
I'd be very happy with that and with the subsequent options on the bench.
Still think this is Monaghan's year in Ulster. It's quite possible that they could complete a hattrick of impressive wins a la Tyrone last year, as long as they don't choke.
Tyrone will pack the defence early, snuff out Freeman and McManus and score on the break. They'll pull away to win by around 5.
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2010, 08:04:36 PM
Still think this is Monaghan's year in Ulster. It's quite possible that they could complete a hattrick of impressive wins a la Tyrone last year, as long as they don't choke.
Choking is for those who're crippled with fear.
Monaghan are free from the bondages of fear.
Our Great Leader has a firm grasp of the task ahead.
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A relative of Banty used to run a pub at the bottom of the town in Monaghan. We called in one evening on the way back from a league game in 2003 and he swore that Monaghan would beat Armagh in the Championship first round and banged his glass on the table with conviction. We laughed at the time but he was proved right.
Could be Monaghan's year.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 14, 2010, 11:40:15 PM
A relative of Banty used to run a pub at the bottom of the town in Monaghan. We called in one evening on the way back from a league game in 2003 and he swore that Monaghan would beat Armagh in the Championship first round and banged his glass on the table with conviction. We laughed at the time but he was proved right.
Could be Monaghan's year.
And did he swear that they would get bate in their next match?
anyone got a seating plan of clones??
cant recall how many sections each of the arthurs and mcgrane have??
The loser of this one is out again six days later in the Qualifiers. Another good reason not to lose (as if any further motivation were needed).
Isn't it Connacht v Ulster in this year's semis if both teams make it that far?
Monaghan v Sligo would have some prize for the winner.
Quote from: donelli on July 14, 2010, 11:58:50 PM
anyone got a seating plan of clones??
cant recall how many sections each of the arthurs and mcgrane have??
As you enter Paddy McGrane the sections are L K J H G F E D C B A AA
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2010, 12:04:30 AM
Isn't it Connacht v Ulster in this year's semis if both teams make it that far?
Yep, on the 22nd August.
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2010, 12:04:30 AM
Isn't it Connacht v Ulster in this year's semis if both teams make it that far?
Monaghan v Sligo would have some prize for the winner.
When is the last time the 4 provincial winners have made the Semi Finals?
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 15, 2010, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2010, 12:04:30 AM
Isn't it Connacht v Ulster in this year's semis if both teams make it that far?
Monaghan v Sligo would have some prize for the winner.
When is the last time the 4 provincial winners have made the Semi Finals?
2000
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on July 15, 2010, 12:23:43 AM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 15, 2010, 12:13:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2010, 12:04:30 AM
Isn't it Connacht v Ulster in this year's semis if both teams make it that far?
Monaghan v Sligo would have some prize for the winner.
When is the last time the 4 provincial winners have made the Semi Finals?
2000
Exactly. Pre-back door. I'd say you get some odds on the 4 provincial winners actually meeting in the SFs.
QuoteThe loser of this one is out again six days later in the Qualifiers. Another good reason not to lose (as if any further motivation were needed).
Depends how you look at it FOSB. Tyrone had a long lay off after a facile Ulster Final win last year and they almost paid the price against Kildare. In 2005 we got stronger with every game and there's nothing like game time if you can avoid injuries.
There should only be a 2 week lay off this year for the winners which would be perfect. Gives players a chance to get over niggly injuries picked up in the final. Would be very hard to lose this Sunday and come back and beat Cork 6 days later.
We are not thinking of anything else but the task on the day.
I can imagine that it's going to be a fierce tug of war to loosen Tyrone's (dead man like) grip on the Anglo Celt.
Should Monaghan prevail, I could only dream that we will go on to represent Ulster with a record that Tyrone have clocked up and with such humility, but that does truly appear to be a task of Himalayan proportions.
Aye that would be a nasty one meeting Cork after losing a provincial decider
How else would you like to avoid. Armagh/Dublin, Louth :o
I had been thinking earlier maybe it would be no bad thing to lose this final if we'd be without a match for weeks but a 2 week break is perfect so I think I'll tell Mickey full steam ahead.
Was chatting to a Down man there and he says that Tyrone are still an excellent outfit. He said they've got a manager that can see what's going wrong quite quickly and has the players to change it.
He said it wasn't that Down stopped playing but that Tyrone snubbed them out and Down had no way round it. Wee james did admit that afterwards
Stil,l I think Monaghan are a very different prospect. They bring a lot of momentum and even experience from their runs in previous years.
They seem to have the right mental attitude anyways but I wonder will they have enough good footballers to win this game. I'm not being smart assed for once when I say that.
I think if Tyrone had SoN, Mugsy & Penrose all flying and scoring at will we would probably win handy enough despite a tough match
However, if Stevie is out then Mugsy rarely plays as well & so Penrose may suffer as well. I think if Sean plays FF we'll need him to become much more open to change. He wont always be able to come running out, Collect and turn and shoot. He needs to feed those around him much better and focus on winning the ball and then fast hands layoff or even flick ons to Mugsy and whoever.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Mugsy out and Coney or Mellon or an Other in.
All in all I'm still quite undecided how this game is gonna go and have to admit I'm more fearful that optimistic. Still, I trust in Mickey and with a relatively fit squad I think we can change the way we play at the drop of a hat and no doubt King Mick has something up his sleevies.
Fair play Main Street. Nice to read a fellow Ulster Gael describe us having humility as many other counties would not see us like that. I know we have our fair share of big mouthed fans and WUMs like myself.
I just hope it's a good match and has no controversy or sending offs.
I'm getting excited already thinking about it and I'd say the unionists who watch the GAA will be delighted to see the red, white & blue in Clones beating lumps out of each other. :D :D :D
SON definitely out!
Who'll have the better (worst) moustaches? The Tyrone men or the Monaghan weemen?
Quote from: Rois on July 14, 2010, 05:23:42 PM
Could we ever think of swapping Justin and Joe? I love to see Justin on the ball, think he's a man who can cover a lot of distance with a couple of solos and a couple of bounces with those big strides.
Would love to see Justy out the field he's a class act in full flow - the last time he was out there a few years back i think they had to put an oxygen mask on one of the armagh players chasing him from half forward. :o
Yeah but I've given up on that one now
Full back has been a problem position a long time and I suppose Justy was young enough to nurture him into the position.
It love to see the two of them at MF for a game but I can see what Justy adds to that problem positon and he's probably the best FB we've had since Ciaran McGarvey
Where are most of ye meeting on Sunday?
Would it be too wild a suggestion to think that Enda McGinley might be ready to come in again?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2010, 02:11:49 PM
Yeah but I've given up on that one now
Full back has been a problem position a long time and I suppose Justy was young enough to nurture him into the position.
It love to see the two of them at MF for a game but I can see what Justy adds to that problem positon and he's probably the best FB we've had since Ciaran McGarvey
Where are most of ye meeting on Sunday?
Aside from Cormac you mean? And I'd agree, I'd like to see Mulligan sit one out
to see if it could ignite something in him...What's the word on McCullagh?
surely he's due a run out :-\
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/ (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/) - Super Dooher feature on TTV.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 15, 2010, 10:27:41 AM
Would be very hard to lose this Sunday and come back and beat Cork 6 days later.
That would be a nightmare scenario. A very good year could turn very bad within the space of a week.
I think we'll see something off the cuff from Harte this evening. As mentioned earlier in the thread these are the sort of games were he will throw in a curve ball. Also iv heard a rumour of a few surprises in the first 15.
My curve ball 15 would be
Packie
Carlin. Justy. Swift
Joey. Block. Jordan
Hub. Enda
P Harte. B Mc Guigan. Dooher
Penrose. Sean C. Coney
Thinking about it, this must be Dooher's 7th Ulster Final since 1996. I think that's even one more than Geezer. And Geezer lifted the cup 3 times, or was it 4 if you could McGrane 'sharing' it. It would be Dooher's 4th. Not that any of this will mean anything on Sunday but still it's some record.
Quote from: Rois on July 15, 2010, 05:20:14 PM
Would it be too wild a suggestion to think that Enda McGinley might be ready to come in again?
What is the word on Enda - is he back training well with Tyrone?
Ulster Senior Football Championship Final
Tyrone v Monaghan
Liosta
1 Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
2 Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
3 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
4 Ryan McMenamin – An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
7 Philip Jordan – An Mhaigh
8 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 Kevin Hughes – Cill Íseal
10 Brian Dooher – Clann na nGael
11 Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
12 Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
14 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
15 Owen Mulligan – An Chorra Chriochach
To quote my 2year old
I don't like it
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2010, 08:21:02 PM
To quote my 2year old
I don't like it
Not fussed on it either. Not much pace in that backline - Carlin cant count himself very very unlucky not to be starting.
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 15, 2010, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2010, 08:21:02 PM
To quote my 2year old
I don't like it
Not fussed on it either. Not much pace in that backline - Carlin cant count himself very very unlucky not to be starting.
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Injured ??
Certainly plenty of surprises in that team! Was not expecting Harte and Ricey to come back into the first 15. Perhaps they are there because Monaghan wouldn't have the mobility of, say, Cork so they mighn't be exposed pace wise. However, I didn't think P Harte and Swift done a whole pile wrong in the previous two games. Carlin has to be unfit, has been our best defender along with Justy all year.
Midfield as you were no real complaints been solid if unspectacular.
Up front appears to be a little impotent with Joey likely to fall back it will leave a front 5 that you can't see putting up a huge score. Fair enough this has t held us back in recent years.
Will Tommy stay at FF or will he switch with Sean? Where ever he starts he must be playing some stuff in training!
A few of those lads must have been really flying in training (along with the pigs).
In MIckey we trust - although that isnt the team I was expecting to see out.
A lot of experience there. Solid outfit. Looking forward to seeing mccarron in at the deep end. Hopefully Tommy is back to form.
Funny full back line.
Justin McMahon on McManus
ricey on freeman
McCarron on Woods/ Hanratty?
First c'ship start for mccarron is it?
What the hell did Carlin ever do on Mickey Harte??
The man must have a plan though - usually does...
Well, however perplexed we might be, just think of poor Banty! ;)
Strange line up alright but I have said that many times about Hartes teams and they usually come up trumps. Could be that he is basing selection solely on what he is seeing in training. Bit harsh on Carlin but at the end of the day he is not an automatic starter. would like to have seen brian mcg in from the start. Would'nt rush to judge this line up too quick, it is a long time till sunday
Perhaps he's picked his team based on the opposition and he views McCarron and Tommy as having a more effective artillery compared to others.
How will they line out?
Packy
Mc Carron. Justy. Block
Joey
Davey. Ricey. Jordan
Hub. Colm C
Dooher. Penrose
Sean C
Mugsy. Tommy
A bit of nostalgia for those Farney folk who are ancient enough to remember their last Anglo-Celt ;)
'88 legend Linden believes history could be repeated this Sunday
BY RONAN MC SHERRY
A GOAL keeping legend from the Monaghan team the last time they won the Anglo Celt Cup believes that history will be repeated against Tyrone on Sunday.
Paddy Linden was between the posts in 1988 when Monaghan defeated Tyrone in Clones, on a score-line of 1-10 to 0-11, to claim their 13th provincial crown. In a distinguished career the Ballybay man won three Ulster championship medals, a National league and was the first goal keeper from Ulster to be awarded an All Star. Incredibly Linden's first appearance in a county jersey was at senior level.
He retired in 1991 after 15 years with his county and went on playing with his club into his forties. Nowadays he coaches the under 10's in Ballybay, which he said he "enjoys but it is not the same as playing."
During the 1980s Tyrone and Monaghan were Ulster's most powerful challenge to Kerry's dominance, later replaced by Cork and Meath. In 1985, the year before Tyrone reached their first All Ireland final, Monaghan drew with Kerry in the All Ireland semi-final. The Oriel county also won the National League beating Armagh in the final after defeating Tyrone in a semi-final replay.
That semi-final draw with the great Kerry team is the biggest regret of Linden's playing career. It was a thrilling game that ended Kerry 1-12 Monaghan 2-9 with the former Louth manager Eamonn McEneaney kicking a spectacular equalising point from 48 metres out near the sideline beside the Hogan Stand to level the scores at the end. The Monaghan team included household names of the time Nudie Hughes, Gerry Mc Carville and Ray McCarron.
Linden recalled, "We should have beaten Kerry that day although they beat us well in the replay. Even when we drew the first game I still thought we could beat them and didn't think we had missed. However it wasn't to be. We had several players missing who played when we won the League Final. Who knows how we would have done if they had been there? We will never know that but certainly I look back on the first game and think we should have got to the All Ireland Final."
Tyrone met Monaghan in the 1988 Ulster final with Paddy collecting his third provincial meda. Monaghan have not won the Ulster crown since while Tyrone have lifted seven provincial and three All Ireland senior titles in the intervening years. "Twenty-two years is a long time and we should have won another couple of Ulster crowns since that," said Paddy.
"I don't think that title is too far away. My only memories of the 1988 final are that Tyrone were looking for a penalty near the end. It is unbelievable that is the only thing I can remember about that game. They claimed that Noel McGinn had been fouled. "To be honest I don't actually remember the particular incident. The referee didn't give it and that was the main thing. I remember Eugene McKenna and Kevin McCabe on that Tyrone team and Aidan Skelton in goals. Plunkett Donaghy was a good footballer too. I got to know a number of those lads from playing with Ulster.
"We were well beaten by Cork in the All Ireland semi-final and the team started to break up after that. It was nice to win Ulster and be awarded with an All Star. Looking back I would feel some regret that we could have won more and didn't get to the All Ireland final in 1985. If we had got there, you don't know what might have happened."
Sunday in Clones will bring back a few memories for the Ballybay man. Paddy is confident this Monaghan team can repeat the win of the class of '88. "They look good and they are playing
a bit better than they were a couple of years ago. I think they can beat Tyrone and I expect they will win by maybe two points.
" They have been thereabouts in the last few years but have to keep banging away and it will come right. It will bring back some great memories. Clones is a fabulous great venue and it is a fantastic occasion. It is nice to be going to St Tiarnach's Park to cheer on our own team."
I'm gutted that Carlin's not playing! I hope he's injured. But Mickey knows best I suppose.
Quote from: hardstation on July 15, 2010, 10:14:33 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 15, 2010, 10:13:06 PM
I'm gutted that Carlin's not playing! I hope he's injured. But Mickey knows best I suppose.
Nice. ;D
:D Sorry about that
Surprising team from Harte but thats par for the course with him. Carlin could be injured, he has played very well all year as stated by a few posters but the word at the weekend was Tommy gave him the run around in an in house game lately - perhaps that had an impact on Carlin losing out and Tommy coming back in. Would like to see Tommy at 11 and Sean at 14.
Ricey and Davey back in would lead you to believe they were injured the last day as opposed to dropped.
I'd say there could be a few mind games on here alright but in fairness to Mickey he doesn't tend to change the team just before throw in unless he has to
I suppose Tommy was next in line to come in when Stevie was out if he has been showing any form at training
I hope Mugsy gets off to a good start as he's very much a confidence player and if he loses the first few balls into him or gets stuck in this role of being pulled and dragged I just hope Mickey doesnt stick with him in the hope that he will come good again with a goal. Saying that I would have had him off ages before he scored that wonder goal v the Dubs in 2005.
Oh yeah that's right he fouled the ball. Forgot lads
It might sound strange but you could see Carlin being saved for the 2nd half to come in fresh to mark wee Tommy Freeman & having that yard on him with only playing half a game. I hope I don't have to eat my words there.
Am not surprised to see Davey back in but a bit surprised to see Ricey though I suppose he has a hell of a lot of experience
With Sean probably alternating between FF and CHF/MF I think we'll keep the Farneymen guessing right up to full time who's playing where.
We need a big game from Colm and do the simple things.
Hub too needs to keep his head and not get booked early as no doubt they'll target his aggression.
Just watch how many times Hub gets into great scoring positions. Bet he gets another goal.
G'nite
Quote from: Puckoon on July 15, 2010, 08:42:23 PM
In MIckey we trust - although that isnt the team I was expecting to see out.
Mickey has shown over the past 12 months that he along with O'Dywer with Kerry, Boylan with Meath that he keeps going back to the tried and trusted, the old guard, and eventually life catches up with us all.
When Harte makes these changes I think it shows the strength in depth rather than the return to the old guard. It will make it all very interesting to see what changes he makes if and when they need to be made. This is an Ulster Final and against a good Monaghan side who have only played one final. Harte starting with experiencd players with the younger fellas ready to come in is a sound imho. The pressure will be on Monaghan to come out all guns blazing and fellas like Block, Ricey and Harte could be vital in keeping cool heads and not allowing the occasion and the opposition to get to them.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 15, 2010, 08:57:04 PM
Well, however perplexed we might be, just think of poor Banty! ;)
Not by the looks of things
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Quote from: Main Street on July 16, 2010, 12:05:24 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 15, 2010, 08:57:04 PM
Well, however perplexed we might be, just think of poor Banty! ;)
Not by the looks of things
Which League, Qualifier, or non-Provincial Championship Final game was that after then? :D
Bit disappointed with a few changes on the team. The good thing though is the bench looks extremely strong with plenty of players to come on and change things. The likes of Carlin,Sean O'Neill,McGinley,McGuigan,Stevie O'Neill,McCullagh,Coney,Mellon and P Harte could all make significant impacts before its over.
any word on when Banty Grimley is naming the team ;D
Meath referee isn't it? Surely he'll return the favour.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 16, 2010, 12:37:54 AM
Bit disappointed with a few changes on the team. The good thing though is the bench looks extremely strong with plenty of players to come on and change things. The likes of Carlin,Sean O'Neill,McGinley,McGuigan,Stevie O'Neill,McCullagh,Coney,Mellon and P Harte could all make significant impacts before its over.
Carlin yes,Sean O'Neill yes ,McGinley no,McGuigan no,Stevie O'Neill yes ,McCullagh no ,Coney no ,Mellon no and P Harte yes
Quote from: ONeill on July 16, 2010, 01:08:20 AM
Meath referee isn't it? Surely he'll return the favour.
Hmmm... that's the danger (for us).
In order to leave no doubt at all about his impartiality, despite the massive favour accorded to his county by a Tyrone referee on Sunday last, he's like to be scrupulously objective, in Monaghan's favour, obviously.
This has the potential to be an absolute cracker on Sunday. Look at the saves, the keeper drama, the scores along the way, and the Clones setting is perfect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rniI_YNPFpQ//
The league game earlier in the year - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN2kzNXoXpE
Great point by Dick, outrunning Hub. Dummy from Mugsy.
Quote from: backofthehand on July 15, 2010, 08:06:20 PM
Ulster Senior Football Championship Final
Tyrone v Monaghan
Liosta
1 Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
2 Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
3 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
4 Ryan McMenamin – An Droim Mhór
5 Davy Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
7 Philip Jordan – An Mhaigh
8 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 Kevin Hughes – Cill Íseal
10 Brian Dooher – Clann na nGael
11 Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
12 Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
14 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
15 Owen Mulligan – An Chorra Chriochach
Absolutely astonished by this line up!! I think Mickeys trying to be too smart again (whilst hes a mastermind normally he has been known to be a tad too smart on some occasions)
Thought he had quoted injury to soften the blow on davy last time out when he really just had to drop him. Davys finished - What more does he want? he can just put another nephew in!
As for dropping Carlin - Totally unbelievable! If my memory serves me correctly I think his last good season came in 2007 when Tyrone went well in Ulster (he was being touted for possible all star nomination) and then he was dropped for the Meath QF match - What was the result of that game again?? And he's definitely not injured!
Loyalty to the old guard could be an issue here and it was the fall of many a dictator!
I really thought Tyrone would beat Monaghan (super confident) on Sunday for a long time now I think its going to be Monaghans year based on Mickeys selection!!!
Tut tut, the knives already out for Mickey Harte.
Meanwhile the Monaghan team go from strength to strength. Maybe we will even decide to have a goalkeeper for this game.
Happy camper Paul Grimley muses,
In Monaghan he has encouraged his players to relax and play with a greater freedom of spirit. When he arrived he found a squad being run like a company, every angle covered.
"They are not buying into the hype, the pressure doesn't have as much impact on them as it might have had before because they are confident in themselves," he says.
"That's come because out of the seven league matches we have played, in five of them we played extremely well and have played well in two of the championship matches. The confidence has come from those performances. They know now what they can do. They are a more disciplined team, more workmanlike and more attack-minded.
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on July 16, 2010, 09:32:01 AM
Davys finished - What more does he want? he can just put another nephew in!
As for dropping Carlin - Totally unbelievable! If my memory serves me correctly I think his last good season came in 2007 when Tyrone went well in Ulster (he was being touted for possible all star nomination) and then he was dropped for the Meath QF match - What was the result of that game again?? And he's definitely not injured!
Loyalty to the old guard could be an issue here and it was the fall of many a dictator!
Not sure you can really say Davy is "finished". He was a key player on the All-Ireland winning team just two years ago and at 28 he is hardly a veteran. Out of form perhaps but a player who has never let Tyrone down on the big occasions in the past. Peter Harte did pretty well the last day but his better work was further up the field and you can see why Uncle sees Davy as the better option for the half back line for this one.
In terms of Carlin I must admit I didnt see that one coming. The guy looked to have finally nailed down his place after years on the fringes of the team and if he isnt injured he must be gutted to have been dropped for this one. You would think Harte doesnt perhaps see him as a man for the big games and if thats the case Dermy would surely be thinking of calling it a day. Then again perhaps he will be involved on Sunday from the bench. McCarron himself has done well of late though and I was surprised he didnt get a start in the previous two games, so here's a big chance for him.
Quite surprised to see Tommy coming in rather than his older brother but presume he has been doing well in training. If we get the Tommy of 2008 we will be alright.
Im tipping Monaghan for this one as yet to see real evidence that Tyrone 2010 are capable of taking their game up a further level for the guts of the 70 minutes. Thats not to say they cant do it, I tipped them to lose to the Dubs in 2008 on the basis they hadnt produced for 70 minutes that summer and they turned in a brilliant performance. Same again please ;).
From what I've heard Stevie will not be an option to come on and not sure will he even be togged out.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 15, 2010, 11:29:24 PM
When Harte makes these changes I think it shows the strength in depth rather than the return to the old guard. It will make it all very interesting to see what changes he makes if and when they need to be made. This is an Ulster Final and against a good Monaghan side who have only played one final. Harte starting with experiencd players with the younger fellas ready to come in is a sound imho. The pressure will be on Monaghan to come out all guns blazing and fellas like Block, Ricey and Harte could be vital in keeping cool heads and not allowing the occasion and the opposition to get to them.
Good point Zap
Its better to start with the older wiser heads perhaps and take in the younger lads when things are going well or need a change.
I always fear for Davey though as he is often targeted by teams as the weak link and they often hit kickouts to his man and sometimes put a fast running forward on him to exploit his lack of pace. I'd say he's glad Dooher is back to support him though but I wont be surprised if we see him called ashore in the 2nd half.
Looks like it's gonna be a wet enough aul day doesn't it though some forecasts say cloudy with showers.
Monaghan Rumours saying Vinny Corey is on crutches and that McBennett is back in the squad and the starting 15, meaning Hughes can be moved out of goals to replace Corey...........
Fancy Monaghan at 5/4, along with Armagh at 11/8 and Kildare at 11/8
Quote from: gerry on July 16, 2010, 01:12:07 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 16, 2010, 12:37:54 AM
Bit disappointed with a few changes on the team. The good thing though is the bench looks extremely strong with plenty of players to come on and change things. The likes of Carlin,Sean O'Neill,McGinley,McGuigan,Stevie O'Neill,McCullagh,Coney,Mellon and P Harte could all make significant impacts before its over.
Carlin yes,Sean O'Neill yes ,McGinley no,McGuigan no,Stevie O'Neill yes ,McCullagh no ,Coney no ,Mellon no and P Harte yes
They obviously won't all make an impact this Sunday but they are capable of doing it. Four of the players you said no to have started on All Ireland Winning teams, 3 of them more than once. The other player Coney was the star of an All Ireland winning minor team and has great potential.
A few head scratchers. The only logic I can see in dropping Carlin for McCarron is that presumably McCarron picked up McManus in the Ulster Club game last winter and in Harte's eyes did a decent enough job in limiting him to 1 point from play.
old dogs for the hard road.
I think thats a superb selection from Harte - and a couple of changes in team show there is a huge push and competition for places right now.
These lads wont be out thought and out fought.
What odds do you think I could I get on both armagh and monaghan to lose by double digit scores this weekend?
I'm sticking that bet on tomorrow morning...
Keep it up Lynchbhoy, these Tyronies love a bit of flattery. They swallow it wholesale, they can't get enough of it.
He's being modest as usual.
You've persuaded me LynchBoy.
Fair play to ya cos I used to think yer were just another Typical Warped Anti Tyrone (TWAT) man but it seems you've seen the light and mended your ways.
I know someone in the Dubs setup and they are very confident that the REAL championship begins now and its time to deliver.
Come Sunday night I'd say you'll see Monaghan v the Dubs in the next round. ;)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2010, 03:15:55 PM
Come Sunday night I'd say you'll see Monaghan v the Dubs in the next round. ;)
That'll see the end of one of the big 20.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2010, 03:15:55 PM
You've persuaded me LynchBoy.
Fair play to ya cos I used to think yer were just another Typical Warped Anti Tyrone (t**t) man but it seems you've seen the light and mended your ways.
I know someone in the Dubs setup and they are very confident that the REAL championship begins now and its time to deliver.
Come Sunday night I'd say you'll see Monaghan v the Dubs in the next round. ;)
dont become confused between what I thik about footballing teams and results predictions and what I think of Tyronies !!
Ahh now lads
I've read complements this week from Down, Monaghan and Derry lads about Tyrone and what they've achieved in the last 7 years when football was born when Our Ma wounded the Kingdom and we've finished them off several times since. They havent gone away you know
Is there any truth Paddy Bradley was looking a game on Sunday? We could play him instead of Davey at wing back. He wont be double marked there.
I'm probably off line now til all weekend so hope ye all enjoy the game and may the best team win and I do mean that. I hope its a fair game with no aul nasty incidents and pray to God its not a draw as I'll never get let out for another game up the country.
The Tyrone generation of 1986 had more respect, had real cohones. We all know how Monaghan has suffered since partition, trying to keep you guys fed and clothed, in safe shelter and provided with the tools of the trade just so that you didn't turn into compliant sheep in the Orange statelet. The modern breed of Tyronie sadly appears to be divorced from the finer aspects of real character. No doubt being spoonfed Sams by the Supreme Leader has eroded a sense of reality. Not even the Supreme Leader can save ye now from your fate on Sunday.
Quote from: Main Street on July 16, 2010, 03:59:15 PM
The Tyrone generation of 1986 had more respect, had real cohones. We all know how Monaghan has suffered since partition, trying to keep you guys fed and clothed, in safe shelter and provided with the tools of the trade just so that you didn't turn into compliant sheep in the Orange statelet. The modern breed of Tyronie sadly appears to be divorced from the finer aspects of real character. No doubt being spoonfed Sams by the Supreme Leader has eroded a sense of reality. Not even the Supreme Leader can save ye now from your fate on Sunday.
:D
Touché
To be fair I have been on the wind up for this thread. I'm sure it'll be a great game with Ulsters finest on show. I hope it's close (i'm sure it will be)as the Ulster Championship needs it.
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 16, 2010, 01:03:24 PM
A few head scratchers. The only logic I can see in dropping Carlin for McCarron is that presumably McCarron picked up McManus in the Ulster Club game last winter and in Harte's eyes did a decent enough job in limiting him to 1 point from play.
???? what game where you watching?? McManus dominated that day, he was excellent, alright he got one point but was influential throughout the game.
McCarron is in on merit, he has been flying at training and in house games so had got his shot at starting on Sunday and deservedly so
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 16, 2010, 05:42:10 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 16, 2010, 01:03:24 PM
A few head scratchers. The only logic I can see in dropping Carlin for McCarron is that presumably McCarron picked up McManus in the Ulster Club game last winter and in Harte's eyes did a decent enough job in limiting him to 1 point from play.
???? what game where you watching?? McManus dominated that day, he was excellent, alright he got one point but was influential throughout the game.
McCarron is in on merit, he has been flying at training and in house games so had got his shot at starting on Sunday and deservedly so
I wasn't at it - I was merely speculating for a reason why Dermy Carlin has been inexplicably dropped when he's been excellent to date. I don't rate McCarron but I'm sure Mickey has a job in mind for him on Sunday otherwise he wouldn't have got the nod.
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 16, 2010, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 16, 2010, 05:42:10 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 16, 2010, 01:03:24 PM
A few head scratchers. The only logic I can see in dropping Carlin for McCarron is that presumably McCarron picked up McManus in the Ulster Club game last winter and in Harte's eyes did a decent enough job in limiting him to 1 point from play.
???? what game where you watching?? McManus dominated that day, he was excellent, alright he got one point but was influential throughout the game.
McCarron is in on merit, he has been flying at training and in house games so had got his shot at starting on Sunday and deservedly so
I wasn't at it - I was merely speculating for a reason why Dermy Carlin has been inexplicably dropped when he's been excellent to date. I don't rate McCarron but I'm sure Mickey has a job in mind for him on Sunday otherwise he wouldn't have got the nod.
Agree with you on Carlin, think he has been very harshly dropped considering his displays to date, actually feel wile sorry for him but the Tyrone selection goes a lot of what happens in training in these 'in house' games for team selection. Rumour has it that McCarron has been flying and has really be pushing for a spot and hence, has got his opportunity come 07/18/10.
McCarron's inclusion definately wouldn't have been anything to do with the Ulster club last year, McManus was deadly and that with a broken wrist. Don't see the argument about his height either as I'd imagine Justin McMahon will mark McManus while Freeman and Hanratty aren't big men. To an outsider Swift and especially Carlin seem to be very hard done by, but I suppose Harte knows his stuff and McCarron wouldn't be in if there wasn't a reason for it, he must be "flying in training" as they say!
it was a mistake to drop Carlin for the QF in 07 and I think its a mistake to drop him now.
Whatever about in house training Carlin has had a great year so far and deserves to be playing.
He had a excellent game against Monaghan in 07 and there is no reason to assume he would not do the same this time again.
Monaghan team named:
Darren Hughes
Dermot McArdle
John Paul Mone
Colin Walshe
Damien Freeman
Vincent Corey
Gary McQuaid
Dick Clerkin
Owen Lennon
Stephen Gollogly
Paul Finlay
Kieran Hughes
Ciaran Hanratty
Conor McManus
Tommy Freeman
So, according to that, no changes from the last day, but if you're to believe the rumours coming from the Monaghan camp there could be a couple of changes.
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Monaghan team named:
Darren Hughes
Dermot McArdle
John Paul Mone
Colin Walshe
Damien Freeman
Vincent Corey
Gary McQuaid
Dick Clerkin
Owen Lennon
Stephen Gollogly
Paul Finlay
Kieran Hughes
Ciaran Hanratty
Conor McManus
Tommy Freeman
So, according to that, no changes from the last day, but if you're to believe the rumours coming from the Monaghan camp there could be a couple of changes.
Anyone else think he isn't good enough to start this team? Didn't see him against fermanagh but against armagh he wasn't up to standard.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 16, 2010, 07:41:57 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Monaghan team named:
Darren Hughes
Dermot McArdle
John Paul Mone
Colin Walshe
Damien Freeman
Vincent Corey
Gary McQuaid
Dick Clerkin
Owen Lennon
Stephen Gollogly
Paul Finlay
Kieran Hughes
Ciaran Hanratty
Conor McManus
Tommy Freeman
So, according to that, no changes from the last day, but if you're to believe the rumours coming from the Monaghan camp there could be a couple of changes.
Anyone else think he isn't good enough to start this team? Didn't see him against fermanagh but against armagh he wasn't up to standard.
He had a far better game against Armagh than against Fermanagh so that will tell you all! Hugh McElroy can feel hard done by after doing well coming on the last two days but Banty must feel Hanratty is better starting than coming on, if he starts well he could have a good game but if he doesn't, forget about it - he was off after 15-20 minutes against Fermanagh.
Has talent but can't use it properly, and he hasn't pushed on and improved from when he burst onto the scene against Down in 2007.
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2010, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 16, 2010, 07:41:57 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Monaghan team named:
Darren Hughes
Dermot McArdle
John Paul Mone
Colin Walshe
Damien Freeman
Vincent Corey
Gary McQuaid
Dick Clerkin
Owen Lennon
Stephen Gollogly
Paul Finlay
Kieran Hughes
Ciaran Hanratty
Conor McManus
Tommy Freeman
So, according to that, no changes from the last day, but if you're to believe the rumours coming from the Monaghan camp there could be a couple of changes.
Anyone else think he isn't good enough to start this team? Didn't see him against fermanagh but against armagh he wasn't up to standard.
He had a far better game against Armagh than against Fermanagh so that will tell you all! Hugh McElroy can feel hard done by after doing well coming on the last two days but Banty must feel Hanratty is better starting than coming on, if he starts well he could have a good game but if he doesn't, forget about it - he was off after 15-20 minutes against Fermanagh.
Has talent but can't use it properly, and he hasn't pushed on and improved from when he burst onto the scene against Down in 2007.
If i remember correctly he came off early against armagh aswell.
I'm actually surprised Carlin lasted this long on the starting 15, not because he doesn't deserve to be there, but just that it seems MH has him as one of those players readily able to be chopped.
Fairly sickened for him as he'll fight tooth and nail for you all day and has been probably the stand out back this year. Still happy enough to see McCarron get the call up though, I rate him, just hasn't the form Carlin has proven this year.
Don't get me started on Davey Harte starting.
But sure we'll see how we do, still fancy Tyrone to win.
ALso feel very sorry for young Dermy. Great attitude and a very decent fella any time I spoke to him. I thought he was one of our best defenders this year - maybe MH has plans to bring him on early enough, after a yellow card or two has been dished out to others?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 16, 2010, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2010, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 16, 2010, 07:41:57 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Monaghan team named:
Darren Hughes
Dermot McArdle
John Paul Mone
Colin Walshe
Damien Freeman
Vincent Corey
Gary McQuaid
Dick Clerkin
Owen Lennon
Stephen Gollogly
Paul Finlay
Kieran Hughes
Ciaran Hanratty
Conor McManus
Tommy Freeman
So, according to that, no changes from the last day, but if you're to believe the rumours coming from the Monaghan camp there could be a couple of changes.
Anyone else think he isn't good enough to start this team? Didn't see him against fermanagh but against armagh he wasn't up to standard.
He had a far better game against Armagh than against Fermanagh so that will tell you all! Hugh McElroy can feel hard done by after doing well coming on the last two days but Banty must feel Hanratty is better starting than coming on, if he starts well he could have a good game but if he doesn't, forget about it - he was off after 15-20 minutes against Fermanagh.
Has talent but can't use it properly, and he hasn't pushed on and improved from when he burst onto the scene against Down in 2007.
If i remember correctly he came off early against armagh aswell.
He did yeah, but not quite as early! At least in the Armagh game he played a part. Won a few frees, took McKeever all round the place(still not sure why he was marking him, was out of the game as a result), and set up the goal whereas in the past he probably would have hurried and snatched at it himself. Hanratty's good games in the championship are few and far between unfortunately, but when he hits form he can be deadly, like against Down in '07 or the second Derry game last year. Sunday would be a good time for one of those days!
I am expecting a real dirty filthy game and Monaghan to win it - God help us all!
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Monaghan team named:
Darren Hughes
Dermot McArdle
John Paul Mone
Colin Walshe
Damien Freeman
Vincent Corey
Gary McQuaid
Dick Clerkin
Owen Lennon
Stephen Gollogly
Paul Finlay
Kieran Hughes
Ciaran Hanratty
Conor McManus
Tommy Freeman
So, according to that, no changes from the last day, but if you're to believe the rumours coming from the Monaghan camp there could be a couple of changes.
I'm disappointed that Hughes is in goals again. We could really have done with him out-field. Have the subs been listed? Is McBennett in there? Is Duffy there?
I'd also like to see Hugh McElroy given some proper game time, although it's good to have the likes of McElroy and Woods on the bench - I expect to see both at some stage, Woods more than likely after 20-25 minutes.
I must be the only Tyronnie who has gone from thinking we'll prob lose this to being more confident about winning. Monaghan offer no surprises to this Tyrone outfit and the team Mickey has chosen are man for man a better outfit on form. Very solid. You also now have Harte and Ricey with something to prove as a couple of very talented lads are breathing down their necks. I've only seen McCarron a few times but always impressed me. Carlin has been good on the eye this year but I'd still have my doubts against a quality forward. I'd worry slightly about Colm as he's due a stinker but there are options there if that's the case.
Draw. 1-11 to 0-14.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 16, 2010, 08:33:30 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 16, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Monaghan team named:
Darren Hughes
Dermot McArdle
John Paul Mone
Colin Walshe
Damien Freeman
Vincent Corey
Gary McQuaid
Dick Clerkin
Owen Lennon
Stephen Gollogly
Paul Finlay
Kieran Hughes
Ciaran Hanratty
Conor McManus
Tommy Freeman
So, according to that, no changes from the last day, but if you're to believe the rumours coming from the Monaghan camp there could be a couple of changes.
I'm disappointed that Hughes is in goals again. We could really have done with him out-field. Have the subs been listed? Is McBennett in there? Is Duffy there?
I'd also like to see Hugh McElroy given some proper game time, although it's good to have the likes of McElroy and Woods on the bench - I expect to see both at some stage, Woods more than likely after 20-25 minutes.
No subs listed yet so don't know about Duffy or McBennett. Of course there could be surprises yet but it seems to me Hughes will continue in goal. Is it true that McBennett has been back training or was that just a rumour? Maybe McBennett is there(if he is there!), it's in the case of Vinny being injured and Hughes going out to CHB and Butsy in goals. At this stage if everyone is fit I'd expect that team to start tbh. But if there's early problems you can be sure changes will be forthcoming. It's true we need our best players out the field and Hughes is definately one of them, but Banty might feel he doesn't want to change a winning team, the fact all 6 backs have done well too doesn't help Hughes in that regard.
Been very impressed with young Colin Walshe, has been very steady and has shown he has plenty to offer going forward.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
Been very impressed with young Colin Walshe, has been very steady and has shown he has plenty to offer going forward.
What else did black child tell you to say!!!
if anyone has a spare ticket 4 the hill could they pm me?cheers
Quote from: charlie stubbs on July 16, 2010, 10:36:07 PM
if anyone has a spare ticket 4 the hill could they pm me?cheers
They were still for sale on ticketmaster earlier this evening.
Monaghan's listings 1-30 for Sunday:
1 Darren Hughes
Dermot McArdle
John Paul Mone
Colin Walshe
Damien Freeman
Vincent Corey
Gary McQuaid
Dick Clerkin
Owen Lennon
Stephen Gollogly
Paul Finlay
Kieran Hughes
Ciarán Hanratty
Conor McManus
Tomás Freeman
16 Shane Duffy
Francis Caulfield
Martin McElroy
Dessie Mone
Neil McAdam
Hugh McElroy
Rory Woods
Colm Greenan
Gavin Doogan
Gavin Flanagan
Brendan McKenna
Kieran Duffy
Dermot Malone
Dean McDermott
30 Padraig McBennett
I would be surprised if Hughes starts in goal. McBennet to come in.
I'd be surprised too - especially with 2 keepers listed in the 30. Banty might have another £3k in his back pocket to pay for a number change on Sunday afternoon.
3 keepers in the 30 listed..
young malone listed too. good to see him back in as he impressed during the league...prob wont be near match fitness to feature in this one though
Quote from: thebandit on July 16, 2010, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
Been very impressed with young Colin Walshe, has been very steady and has shown he has plenty to offer going forward.
What else did black child tell you to say!!!
That Banty should recall Stephen Mc Ginity :)
Quote from: donelli on July 16, 2010, 11:47:48 PM
3 keepers in the 30 listed..
I wasn't counting Hughes!
'IF' that's the line up for Monaghan, I'd be looking at both corner backs as weak points and at Hanratty.
I'd expect 1, if not 2 of those off by 45 mins or half time.
Other than that it's a very strong Monaghan team, but I still don't think you can beat a team like Tyrone with possibly your best attacking runner or one of Ulsters top 5 defenders in goals. I don't think Monaghan can afford that luxury.
It will come down to how badly Tyrone want it.
We know how bad Monaghan will.
Quote from: The Konica on July 17, 2010, 02:55:22 AM
'IF' that's the line up for Monaghan, I'd be looking at both corner backs as weak points and at Hanratty.
Whatever about Hanratty (and there are numerous options up front if needed), I wouldn't be at all concerned about McArdle or Walshe - both are playing very well. There's always Dessie Mone on the bench if needed, but McArdle and Walshe deserve their starting place, in my opinion.
Q&A in yesterday's Irish News supplement:
What music do you like listening to?
Mickey: 'Good country music'
Banty: Bruce Springsteen. I enjoy The River, Dancing in the Dark and My Hometown
Banty 1, Mickey 0
:P
Time for the pointless prediction exercise:
Monaghan 1-12
Tyrone 0-15
Quote from: charlie stubbs on July 16, 2010, 10:36:07 PM
if anyone has a spare ticket 4 the hill could they pm me?cheers
They're still on Ticketmaster - buy online and pick up at their van in the town tomorrow.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2010, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: The Konica on July 17, 2010, 02:55:22 AM
'IF' that's the line up for Monaghan, I'd be looking at both corner backs as weak points and at Hanratty.
Whatever about Hanratty (and there are numerous options up front if needed), I wouldn't be at all concerned about McArdle or Walshe - both are playing very well. There's always Dessie Mone on the bench if needed, but McArdle and Walshe deserve their starting place, in my opinion.
McArdle can be often exploited caught for pace and has had a few bad days - not knocking the guy, he's been one of Ulsters best but he didn't play in the League much (at all) and missed the first SFC game I think.
Walshe is good, but this is a different league of competitor in an Ulster final.
I'm just saying, if I was Harte this is what I'd be looking at.
Hanratty is a surprise choice TBH.
I hope the Monaghan supporters don't abuse him again like I've heard them do before. That's just wrong, abusing one of your own.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
Q&A in yesterday's Irish News supplement:
What music do you like listening to?
Mickey: 'Good country music'
Banty: Bruce Springsteen. I enjoy The River, Dancing in the Dark and My Hometown
Banty 1, Mickey 0
:P
I liked Banty's answer to the question about what other sports he likes to follow:
None, I'd rather watch a junior C game down at the local club instead of another sport!
Also his favorite hobby was farming.
What a man!
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2010, 01:02:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
Q&A in yesterday's Irish News supplement:
What music do you like listening to?
Mickey: 'Good country music'
Banty: Bruce Springsteen. I enjoy The River, Dancing in the Dark and My Hometown
Banty 1, Mickey 0
:P
I liked Banty's answer to the question about what other sports he likes to follow:
None, I'd rather watch a junior C game down at the local club instead of another sport!
Also his favorite hobby was farming.
What a man!
Don't believe that she-it
He s probably glued to the Open like the rest of us
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2010, 11:55:00 PM
Quote from: thebandit on July 16, 2010, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
Been very impressed with young Colin Walshe, has been very steady and has shown he has plenty to offer going forward.
What else did black child tell you to say!!!
That Banty should recall Stephen Mc Ginity :)
if he's not busy away breaking toilets !
Quote from: Boycey on July 17, 2010, 01:39:10 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2010, 01:35:44 AM
Quote from: donelli on July 16, 2010, 11:47:48 PM
3 keepers in the 30 listed..
I wasn't counting Hughes!
There are 3 goalies in the 30 not counting Hughes
As far as i`m hearing vinny corey is def not playing so that wud explain why their is 3 keepers named in the 30,obviousll hughes will move into the defence instead of corey.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2010, 01:51:41 PM
Just after hearing the reason that D Carlin not starting, not football related.
?
Ah right. In that case, it's even more ridiculous if Hughes lines out at #1.
Quote from: Gaffer on July 17, 2010, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2010, 01:02:01 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 17, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
Q&A in yesterday's Irish News supplement:
What music do you like listening to?
Mickey: 'Good country music'
Banty: Bruce Springsteen. I enjoy The River, Dancing in the Dark and My Hometown
Banty 1, Mickey 0
:P
I liked Banty's answer to the question about what other sports he likes to follow:
None, I'd rather watch a junior C game down at the local club instead of another sport!
Also his favorite hobby was farming.
What a man!
Don't believe that she-it
He s probably glued to the Open like the rest of us
He probably wouldn't know it was on
Quote from: Gaffer on July 17, 2010, 01:31:10 PM
He s probably glued to the Open like the rest of us
Speak for yourself. I'm preferring to watch a fairly poor qualifier.
From the BBC C'ship tweet
QuoteMonaghan cap Vinnie Corey looks like missing t'morrow's Ulster final because of injury. D Hughes to play outfield. Shane Duffy in goals
http://twitter.com/bbcchampionship
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 17, 2010, 04:37:37 PM
From the BBC C'ship tweet
QuoteMonaghan cap Vinnie Corey looks like missing t'morrow's Ulster final because of injury. D Hughes to play outfield. Shane Duffy in goals
http://twitter.com/bbcchampionship
There'll be some rumours and lies told between now and 2pm tomorrow regarding who is starting and who is not starting.
Someone said earlier in the thread that Corey was on crutches.
Don't believe everything you hear re: Vinny. It's true he got injured but hopefully he will be fit to play some part tomorrow, at least we have a very able replacement in Hughes. The stories of him on crutches are exaggerated, it's not like he can't walk! But it would have to be some injury to keep Vinny from captaining his county in an Ulster final, I'll say that.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2010, 01:51:41 PM
Just after hearing the reason that D Carlin not starting, not football related.
whats the story with Carlin bot starting Omagh_gael
Is this game sold out or can someone get tickets in Clones
I have tickets but a mate wants to go and is looking for 2
Its all very quiet on here 2night
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 17, 2010, 06:42:46 PM
Someone said earlier in the thread that Corey was on crutches.
Sure he can still stand in goals.
You could still get tix on Ticketmaster last night Fuzz.
Alarm set, ETD sorted, Sat eve mass attended, all set. Looking forward to some good
football tomorrow. Tyrone by 4.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2010, 10:42:12 PM
Is this game sold out or can someone get tickets in Clones
I have tickets but a mate wants to go and is looking for 2
Its all very quiet on here 2night
They were still for sale on Ticketmaster today. There's always a few floating around on the day if you do a bit of shouting up the town.
Loads of Hill and O'Duffy tickets left according to what I heard earlier today. They should be on sale at the ticketmaster van opposite the Creighton.
about to leave soon and lets hope for a great day of football, the only question i have is should i bring a rain coat or sun cream?
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 17, 2010, 11:18:43 PM
Loads of Hill and O'Duffy tickets left according to what I heard earlier today. They should be on sale at the ticketmaster van opposite the Creighton.
It's normally half way up Church Hill on the left.
According to weather man it will dry up as the morning goes on with rain due to come back at around 4pm. By that time I hope I'm in a dry Clones bar toasting a double ulster sucess. Tir Eoghain Abu.
Tir Eoghain 1-15 Muineachan 1-13
From BBC Twitter. Balls.
Weather overcast in Clones. Monaghan update: Darren Hughes unlikely to play after injuring eyes while helping his dad with some welding #GAA
jesus just over an hour to go, i always said i would never get homesick in Sydney and i woke up this morning and fcuk me, wished i was full in Monaghan town talking shite bout what the crack would be in Clones tomorrow........ but I'm in Sydney and thats a fact, All the talkings done, the rumours are flying,the slaggen will be mighty and hopefully the ref won't get beat off the field at the end!!!
Hope yis all have a great day, i'm away to Paddy Maguires to roar on MUINEACHAIN!!!!!!!!!!
MUINEACHAIN ABU
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Monaghan under Grimley ;) to win by two this afternoon
Setanta not working for me? Anyone else having issues, or any other links?
Feck sake echo during anthem was awful, dont know how she managed to keep going. Just play it on the tannoy ffs.
Monaghan 0-01 Tyrone 0-00
Monaghan 0-01 Tyrone 0-01
Monaghan 0-01 Tyrone 0-02
Brollys sister singing the anthem has a fine set of lungs on her amongst other things.
Monaghan 0-02 Tyrone 0-02
Monaghan 0-03 Tyrone 0-02
Everyone on the Monaghan team is the player of the championship according to Sidearse.
Ricey's a horrible hoor.
Monaghan 0-03 Tyrone 0-03
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-03
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-03
D Freeman - yella
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-04
Tyrone have forgot their shooting boots.
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-05
Does Sidebottom annoy anyone else with his use of nicknames for the players?
Darragh Maloney's better on RTE.
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-06
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-07
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-07
O Lennon - yella
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-07
Half Time
Freeman's shot was straight at the keeper, as was the earlier one. Dunno how he is player of the first half.
Ulster teams are terrified of Tyrone.
Sean Cavanagh very quiet throughout. Ty's half-back line doing well.
Took Mulligan well over ten minutes to get a touch, but hes destroying Monaghan now. Finley giving Gormley the freedom of Clones aswell. Shooting needs to improve.
Start of 2nd Half
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-08
Monaghan need to switch Freeman and McManus out and put Woods in the FF line.
They've plenty of ball around the HF line they just don't have anyone that can shoot!
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-09
Tyrone are cruising now. Making it look very easy
First 12 scores came from 12 different players, some going!!
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-10
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-10
D Hughes - yella
Monaghan 0-04 Tyrone 0-10
M Penrose - yella
Monaghan 0-05 Tyrone 0-10
Armagh are in a sorry state if Monaghan are easily beaten! - looks that way.
Got to hand it to Tyrone though, 9 different scorers so far.
Monaghan 0-05 Tyrone 0-11
Monaghan 0-05 Tyrone 0-11
P Jordan - yella
Monaghan 0-06 Tyrone 0-11
No one saw this big a gap between these 2.
Going to be a few questions to be answered in the Westenra tonight!
Couple of changes for Tyrone now to freshen it up.
Monaghan 0-06 Tyrone 1-11
C Cavanagh 1-0
Tyrone 1-11
Mon 0-6
Monaghan 0-06 Tyrone 1-11
C Walsh - yella
Monaghan 0-06 Tyrone 1-12
T Freeman - yella
Monaghan 0-06 Tyrone 1-12
Three minutes injury time.
Monaghan 0-07 Tyrone 1-12
Monaghan 0-07 Tyrone 1-13
Monaghan 0-07 Tyrone 1-14
Sin é.
Very much like the Down win. Possession wins.
classy from ricey and penrose
The ref was very kind on Monaghan too...The same failings that have been there the last few years became apparent when tested.
Who l get man of the match lads?
7 points in 70 minutes - nearly as bad as Cavan against Cork.
Monaghan had a mountain to climb, but they went into that game with everything in their favour - What way were they prepared???? What kind of training did they do??? They looked like Armagh yesterday!
Serious questions to be asked.
One thing is certain, Armagh must have been very, very poor and if it was true like one poster suggested, that ******* or whoever just encouraged Monaghan to keep putting points on the board, that false scoreline didn't help Monaghan psychologically. It might have been better scrape into the final and have no illusions about the challenge facing them.
Very surprised. I'd say there is a hell of a job ahead to pick that team up for the next day out.
Surgical operation by Tyrone. They broke Monaghan utterly and comprehensively.
I blame the Prunty pitch.
Quote from: Main Street on July 18, 2010, 03:44:13 PM
Surgical operation by Tyrone. They broke Monaghan utterly and comprehensively.
I blame the Prunty pitch.
Serious question though Main street - Where did youse get it wrong today?
Do you think there was a small bit of complacency or not the same urgency coming into this game, or was a fear factor of Tyrone?
Great team performance from Tyrone against an a very poor Monaghan. Mc Carron or Gormley for MOTM.
Tyrone looked very good today .Disappointing for Monaghan can they re-group
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 18, 2010, 03:53:07 PM
Great team performance from Tyrone against an a very poor Monaghan. Mc Carron or Gormley for MOTM.
McCarron for me Carmen. As you say, a great team performance, but Monaghan were very disappointing.
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on July 18, 2010, 04:04:53 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 18, 2010, 03:53:07 PM
Great team performance from Tyrone against an a very poor Monaghan. Mc Carron or Gormley for MOTM.
McCarron for me Carmen. As you say, a great team performance, but Monaghan were very disappointing.
Would agree with that. For a man making his first championship start he was exceptional. I didn't know if he was capable of man marking a player like Freeman but apart from Freemans first score, he barely gave him a sniff.
It's a pity Monaghan weren't playing the Cavanagh family, they'd have won by one point!
McCarron's first Tyrone start was on K Donaghey v Kerry in Tralee in Feb 08. He went off injured that day but did ok. It was Dromore's 07 championship win that got him in M Harte's window.
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 03:48:09 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 18, 2010, 03:44:13 PM
Surgical operation by Tyrone. They broke Monaghan utterly and comprehensively.
I blame the Prunty pitch.
Serious question though Main street - Where did youse get it wrong today?
Do you think there was a small bit of complacency or not the same urgency coming into this game, or was a fear factor of Tyrone?
Who knows, but it was not complacency. I suppose there will be a lot of speculation about all that ball fumbling which Tyrone did not seem to suffer from.
But even in the minutes silence, Tyrone looked superior :)
Right from the throw-in you could see that Tyrone had this game in the bag.
A Monaghan at the top of their game, taking the opportunities that were there for them, might have made the game interesting, to be within 3 or 4 points of Tyrone at the end. Defense and midfield were okay, but making headway through Tyrone's defense was like trying to run through waist high mud. Tyrone's defending was for the most part supreme. They made Monaghan look inept and sucked any belief out of them. It takes a very good and disciplined team to that so clinically and so thoroughly. Tyrone are a football event.
Not a great spectacle but a good win for Tyrone, showed they were indeed capable of lifting their performance to a higher level than we saw against Antrim or Down. As Main Street said it was a magnificent defensive effort and the recalled lads did very well. Young McCarron more than justified his inclusion too. We would need more from the forwards though if Tyrone are to have a real tilt at the All-Ireland, far too many wides and really should have had Monaghan put away long before Colm Cavanagh got the goal. Plenty to work on but great to have another Ulster title. Have some sympathy for Monaghan who didnt do themselves justice at all. Even allowing for Tyrone being so strong defensively Monaghan are capable of much better than that, really woeful peformance by them and surprisingly flat all round at Clones.
And ye wonder why attendances are falling at GAA games?? Ye nordies will probably get a few days talking about this Final but to me it was the greatest load of tripe I have ever watched.
Quote from: Main Street on July 18, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
Who knows, but it was not complacency. I suppose there will be a lot of speculation about all that ball fumbling which Tyrone did not seem to suffer from.
But even in the minutes silence, Tyrone looked superior :)
Right from the throw-in you could see that Tyrone had this game in the bag.
A Monaghan at the top of their game, taking the opportunities that were there for them, might have made the game interesting, to be within 3 or 4 points of Tyrone at the end. Defense and midfield were okay, but making headway through Tyrone's defense was like trying to run through waist high mud. Tyrone's defending was for the most part supreme. They made Monaghan look inept and sucked any belief out of them. It takes a very good and disciplined team to that so clinically and so thoroughly. Tyrone are a football event.
Monaghan will take a lot from this. Going into the game on the back of two great high scoring wins and having shown all their armoury to m harte in advance allowed him to devise his gameplan to shut Monaghan down.
Apart from the last 10 mins where tyrone scored a bit more to put a bit of gloss on the scoreline, Monaghan kept the red arses from scoring much themselves. While it was a low scoring affair, it was far from puke football with the speed, physicality and effort from both.
I'd fancy Monaghan to beat any of the qualifier winners now - apart from maybe Cork. Could go a long way yet !
Hope JP Mone isnt too badly inj.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 18, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
And ye wonder why attendances are falling at GAA games?? Ye nordies will probably get a few days talking about this Final but to me it was the greatest load of tripe I have ever watched.
Each to their own Bud. IMO while it wasnt a scorefest, there was superb skills on view. Catching, kicking, blocking , defending and team passing - only the shooting wasnt great, but prob down to defenses pressurising the shooter !
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 18, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
And ye wonder why attendances are falling at GAA games?? Ye nordies will probably get a few days talking about this Final but to me it was the greatest load of tripe I have ever watched.
and your point? sh1te football all over the country lately. try watching the british open today and youll get more tripe
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 18, 2010, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 18, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
Who knows, but it was not complacency. I suppose there will be a lot of speculation about all that ball fumbling which Tyrone did not seem to suffer from.
But even in the minutes silence, Tyrone looked superior :)
Right from the throw-in you could see that Tyrone had this game in the bag.
A Monaghan at the top of their game, taking the opportunities that were there for them, might have made the game interesting, to be within 3 or 4 points of Tyrone at the end. Defense and midfield were okay, but making headway through Tyrone's defense was like trying to run through waist high mud. Tyrone's defending was for the most part supreme. They made Monaghan look inept and sucked any belief out of them. It takes a very good and disciplined team to that so clinically and so thoroughly. Tyrone are a football event.
Monaghan will take a lot from this. Going into the game on the back of two great high scoring wins and having shown all their armoury to m harte in advance allowed him to devise his gameplan to shut Monaghan down.
Apart from the last 10 mins where tyrone scored a bit more to put a bit of gloss on the scoreline, Monaghan kept the red arses from scoring much themselves. While it was a low scoring affair, it was far from puke football with the speed, physicality and effort from both.
I'd fancy Monaghan to beat any of the qualifier winners now - apart from maybe Cork. Could go a long way yet !
Hope JP Mone isnt too badly inj.
Stalking you Lynchboy!! :)
I think that will have taken alot out of Monaghan. I think they thought they had a real chance at it this year.
Might be harder than that to pick up the pieces?
I think Monaghan are a far better team than they showed today, but after seeing Armagh, I don't think we know how good they really are.
I would say that's JP's last appearance in a county jersey, and it's a great shame if he goes out like that. We're out again in a week and the way things are going we'd be doing well to trouble those qualifier teams coming through. JP's injury looked like a reoccurance of his knee problem which has troubled him for a while, and as I said before I think this would be his last year for the county.
On the game, well what can you say? Absolute disaster for Monaghan, every possible thing that could go wrong did. We made silly mistakes from beginning to end, players were slipping all over the place, taking the wrong option the majority of times, and so on. As the game wore on we struggled to break down Tyrone and work it into their third of the pitch, the wrong ball was going in time after time but the forwards weren't making runs and looking for it(although this was also the case for most of the game). Tyrone just suffocated us and squeezed the life out of us, it was impossible to claw our way back into the game. We just had no answer for it and as the game went into it's final stages Tyrone added the extra few scores to put gloss on the scoreline. Disasterous also from the point of view of the injuries picked up. As I say JP's didn't look good, Duffy seemed to hurt his leg again in a late kick-out and Hughes also looked to go over on his ankle but played on. Doubtful if Vinny will be back in time by the looks of it, there's alot to worry about with the next game in just a week. We will have our work cut out for us against any of the four teams at this rate, but knowing our luck I'm expecting Cork away.
I was watching the British open and it was more exciting than the Ulster Final. The Rossies/Sligo is the game to watch if you want to see skill.
Quote from: Schkite on July 18, 2010, 05:20:23 PM
I would say that's JP's last appearance in a county jersey, and it's a great shame if he goes out like that. We're out again in a week and the way things are going we'd be doing well to trouble those qualifier teams coming through. JP's injury looked like a reoccurance of his knee problem which has troubled him for a while, and as I said before I think this would be his last year for the county.
On the game, well what can you say? Absolute disaster for Monaghan, every possible thing that could go wrong did. We made silly mistakes from beginning to end, players were slipping all over the place, taking the wrong option the majority of times, and so on. As the game wore on we struggled to break down Tyrone and work it into their third of the pitch, the wrong ball was going in time after time but the forwards weren't making runs and looking for it(although this was also the case for most of the game). Tyrone just suffocated us and squeezed the life out of us, it was impossible to claw our way back into the game. We just had no answer for it and as the game went into it's final stages Tyrone added the extra few scores to put gloss on the scoreline. Disasterous also from the point of view of the injuries picked up. As I say JP's didn't look good, Duffy seemed to hurt his leg again in a late kick-out and Hughes also looked to go over on his ankle but played on. Doubtful if Vinny will be back in time by the looks of it, there's alot to worry about with the next game in just a week. We will have our work cut out for us against any of the four teams at this rate, but knowing our luck I'm expecting Cork away.
I still can't figure out what went wrong for Monaghan?
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 18, 2010, 05:20:23 PM
I would say that's JP's last appearance in a county jersey, and it's a great shame if he goes out like that. We're out again in a week and the way things are going we'd be doing well to trouble those qualifier teams coming through. JP's injury looked like a reoccurance of his knee problem which has troubled him for a while, and as I said before I think this would be his last year for the county.
On the game, well what can you say? Absolute disaster for Monaghan, every possible thing that could go wrong did. We made silly mistakes from beginning to end, players were slipping all over the place, taking the wrong option the majority of times, and so on. As the game wore on we struggled to break down Tyrone and work it into their third of the pitch, the wrong ball was going in time after time but the forwards weren't making runs and looking for it(although this was also the case for most of the game). Tyrone just suffocated us and squeezed the life out of us, it was impossible to claw our way back into the game. We just had no answer for it and as the game went into it's final stages Tyrone added the extra few scores to put gloss on the scoreline. Disasterous also from the point of view of the injuries picked up. As I say JP's didn't look good, Duffy seemed to hurt his leg again in a late kick-out and Hughes also looked to go over on his ankle but played on. Doubtful if Vinny will be back in time by the looks of it, there's alot to worry about with the next game in just a week. We will have our work cut out for us against any of the four teams at this rate, but knowing our luck I'm expecting Cork away.
I still can't figure out what went wrong for Monaghan?
Neither can I, I really thought we had a chance today but that was atrocious. I think Tyrone just went about their business efficiently and deployed their gameplan to perfection, and we had no answer for it. Certainly seems now that the two big wins over Armagh and Fermanagh were of no help to us today, we haven't been properly tested before this, as someone else said we'd probably have been better off coming in under the radar after scraping past the two teams. I was amazed at how many little mistakes we made, looked like nerves but that I wouldn't understand at all, that's the last thing I thought would happen. You'd think this was the team's first Ulster final when almost all of them played 3 years ago.
Quote from: Bud Wiser on July 18, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
I was watching the British open and it was more exciting than the Ulster Final. The Rossies/Sligo is the game to watch if you want to see skill.
the golf open ??!!!
sure thats not even real sport !
until they start hitting 4 irons straight under a challenge from a shoulder charge, then I'll admire their 'skill'.
John daly - what an 'athlete' !! ;) :D
even a bad game of football is better than most other sports - especially golf or soccer - including the world cup !
imo
McCarron was outstanding today and it'd be hard to look past him for MOTM. Gormley was also excellent as was Colm Cavanagh. Maybe Packie should get it for those two unreal saves. The defence was completely outstanding, choking out Monaghan and suffocated them at every opportunity.
Still the wasted opportunities for Tyrone will be a concern against sterner opposition, but with such a strong bench and the likes of CC and McCarron coming good at the right time things are looking good for Tyrone this year. Dare I suggest another Senior/Minor double?
Also, would it have killed yis to do a lap of honour before firing another Ango-Celt in the kit bag and into the back of the bus?
Quote from: Schkite on July 18, 2010, 05:32:32 PM
Neither can I, I really thought we had a chance today but that was atrocious. I think Tyrone just went about their business efficiently and deployed their gameplan to perfection, and we had no answer for it. Certainly seems now that the two big wins over Armagh and Fermanagh were of no help to us today, we haven't been properly tested before this, as someone else said we'd probably have been better off coming in under the radar after scraping past the two teams. I was amazed at how many little mistakes we made, looked like nerves but that I wouldn't understand at all, that's the last thing I thought would happen. You'd think this was the team's first Ulster final when almost all of them played 3 years ago.
those were your downfall imo - it gave m harte all his info on how to stop Monaghan and what their gameplan/key players etc was
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 18, 2010, 05:20:23 PM
I would say that's JP's last appearance in a county jersey, and it's a great shame if he goes out like that. We're out again in a week and the way things are going we'd be doing well to trouble those qualifier teams coming through. JP's injury looked like a reoccurance of his knee problem which has troubled him for a while, and as I said before I think this would be his last year for the county.
On the game, well what can you say? Absolute disaster for Monaghan, every possible thing that could go wrong did. We made silly mistakes from beginning to end, players were slipping all over the place, taking the wrong option the majority of times, and so on. As the game wore on we struggled to break down Tyrone and work it into their third of the pitch, the wrong ball was going in time after time but the forwards weren't making runs and looking for it(although this was also the case for most of the game). Tyrone just suffocated us and squeezed the life out of us, it was impossible to claw our way back into the game. We just had no answer for it and as the game went into it's final stages Tyrone added the extra few scores to put gloss on the scoreline. Disasterous also from the point of view of the injuries picked up. As I say JP's didn't look good, Duffy seemed to hurt his leg again in a late kick-out and Hughes also looked to go over on his ankle but played on. Doubtful if Vinny will be back in time by the looks of it, there's alot to worry about with the next game in just a week. We will have our work cut out for us against any of the four teams at this rate, but knowing our luck I'm expecting Cork away.
I still can't figure out what went wrong for Monaghan?
Maybe just beaten by the better team on the day?
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on July 18, 2010, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Schkite on July 18, 2010, 05:20:23 PM
I would say that's JP's last appearance in a county jersey, and it's a great shame if he goes out like that. We're out again in a week and the way things are going we'd be doing well to trouble those qualifier teams coming through. JP's injury looked like a reoccurance of his knee problem which has troubled him for a while, and as I said before I think this would be his last year for the county.
On the game, well what can you say? Absolute disaster for Monaghan, every possible thing that could go wrong did. We made silly mistakes from beginning to end, players were slipping all over the place, taking the wrong option the majority of times, and so on. As the game wore on we struggled to break down Tyrone and work it into their third of the pitch, the wrong ball was going in time after time but the forwards weren't making runs and looking for it(although this was also the case for most of the game). Tyrone just suffocated us and squeezed the life out of us, it was impossible to claw our way back into the game. We just had no answer for it and as the game went into it's final stages Tyrone added the extra few scores to put gloss on the scoreline. Disasterous also from the point of view of the injuries picked up. As I say JP's didn't look good, Duffy seemed to hurt his leg again in a late kick-out and Hughes also looked to go over on his ankle but played on. Doubtful if Vinny will be back in time by the looks of it, there's alot to worry about with the next game in just a week. We will have our work cut out for us against any of the four teams at this rate, but knowing our luck I'm expecting Cork away.
I still can't figure out what went wrong for Monaghan?
Maybe just beaten by the better team on the day?
Absolutely.
But the score line is the amazing bit!
Might be too many chiefs on the sideline there.
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We will have our work cut out for us against any of the four teams at this rate, but knowing our luck I'm expecting Cork away.
Are the next round if qualifiers not at a neutral venue?
Quote from: thebandit on July 18, 2010, 05:41:12 PM
Quote from: Schkite link=topic=16561.msg821046#
We will have our work cut out for us against any of the four teams at this rate, but knowing our luck I'm expecting Cork away.
Are the next round if qualifiers not at a neutral venue?
Actually yeah I think they are, forgot about that. But even Cork in Inniskeen would be a tough task!
Monaghan looked like Armagh today, if that isn't too harsh. Forwards squeezed out of it and resorted to the same going nowhere handpassing that we were at. If they'd gotten one of those goal chances in the first half things might have been more interesting. Thought Darren Hughes was very good though, Walshe held his own as well, but too many of the big names didn't count.
Tyrone were very impressive, controlled and superbly organised. Their tackling was top drawer too. Will probably needed more from their forwards if they're to go all the way, but they must have the Munster lads a bit worried.
I still think they'll not have the physicality to match Cork
Brilliant result for Tyrone which would have been a lot different but for 2 incredible saves by Packie Mc Connell.
Monaghan were shut out by a dominant Tyrone defence.
Mickey raised a few eyebrows with his team selection but as usual he came up trumps again.
Ulster teams are beaten before they even take to the field against Tyrone.
Give them far too much respect and retreat into their shells.
If Kildare, Cork or Dublin draw Tyrone they will horse into them from the start.
It'll be hard to see that team pick up the pieces for the weekend. All that adrenaline built up for today has fisseled out. They might stand a chance in a big open game against Kildare, which would suit them, but their only real chance is a draw with Down.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 18, 2010, 05:51:29 PM
Ulster teams are beaten before they even take to the field against Tyrone.
Give them far too much respect and retreat into their shells.
If Kildare, Cork or Dublin draw Tyrone they will horse into them from the start.
Usually Monaghan don't! That's what's surprising, 3 years ago they almost caught them in the final too.
It just looks like Monaghan had a very bad day at the office.
Can't see Dublin horsing into them! They'll not lay a finger on them. It's a decent Dublin team, but early in the life cycle for that!
I get the same vibe from Tyrone this year that I did last year and in 2007.
Stroll through Ulster and get caught in the quarter/semi final.
Dont have TV 3, will someone post the draw please.
Yeh, it's hard to know how good they really are (just like it's hard to know how good Monaghan are - as I guarantee you they're a lot better than they showed today!)
Quote from: Square Ball on July 18, 2010, 06:03:22 PM
Dont have TV 3, will someone post the draw please.
Dublin V Louth
Sligo V Down
Cork V Limerick
Monaghan V Kildare
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 18, 2010, 05:51:29 PM
Ulster teams are beaten before they even take to the field against Tyrone.
Give them far too much respect and retreat into their shells.
If Kildare, Cork or Dublin draw Tyrone they will horse into them from the start.
Usually Monaghan don't! That's what's surprising, 3 years ago they almost caught them in the final too.
It just looks like Monaghan had a very bad day at the office.
Can't see Dublin horsing into them! They'll not lay a finger on them. It's a decent Dublin team, but early in the life cycle for that!
Dublin are a poor team. Yesterdays game was terrible. 2 bad teams.
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 06:05:05 PM
Yeh, it's hard to know how good they really are (just like it's hard to know how good Monaghan are - as I guarantee you they're a lot better than they showed today!)
Right now we are somewhere in limbo, gasping for air after that strangulation.
Re Tyrone, at least it's not so difficult to see that their defense is up to speed, regardless of the unknowns of other aspects, I think Tyronies will be purring.
all the hype about monaghan fooled a lot of people. essentially its the same team, even mc manus has been playing 3 /4 years now. when harte left davey and ricey out against down he feared the pace of downs forwards. today he knew in golloghy and hughes and the hiding finlay there was a lack of pace and scores from play hence playing the 2 boys who are greatat driving forward. It was also clear gormley kept pushing forward cause they knew finlay does nt like the hard tracking. AndOnce tyrone played the sweeper the game was up. Long term I don't think sweeper will work against the likes of cork in croker. how could u leave the cork lads a spare man to allow them to run at you. its a 3 horse race atbest. to date tyrone have played none of the contenders and may not until an all ireland final. this could be the easiest all irelands won in recent years.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 18, 2010, 05:51:29 PM
Ulster teams are beaten before they even take to the field against Tyrone.
Give them far too much respect and retreat into their shells.
If Kildare, Cork or Dublin draw Tyrone they will horse into them from the start.
Dublin jinxy? Jaysus man.
Masterful defensive display from Tyrone today.McCarron,Gormley and Justin McMahon were outstanding,it would be hard to pick a man of the match.Hub and Colm Cavanagh battled well at midfield and it was pleasing to see the forwards working hard and creating turnovers.Dooher once again led from the front and we will have some bother trying to replace that man when he hangs them up.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 18, 2010, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 18, 2010, 05:51:29 PM
Ulster teams are beaten before they even take to the field against Tyrone.
Give them far too much respect and retreat into their shells.
If Kildare, Cork or Dublin draw Tyrone they will horse into them from the start.
Dublin jinxy? Jaysus man.
I never said they'd win.
Have to say only when you witness it in person can you truly appreciate the work-rate of the Tyrone players, exceptional work rate exceptional defence, I'll put my neck on the line but the team that beats Tyrone will win the All-Ireland. So calm on the pitch even their fans don't panic sicken ya..
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 18, 2010, 08:53:40 PM
Have to say only when you witness it in person can you truly appreciate the work-rate of the Tyrone players, exceptional work rate exceptional defence, I'll put my neck on the line but the team that beats Tyrone will win the All-Ireland. So calm on the pitch even their fans don't panic sicken ya..
hope you enjoyed your first ulster final - even if it wasnt a close game.
Also hope you managed to avoid the burger vans !
Tyrone have canged their defensive methodology after that kicking Cork gave them last year. Monaghans on form atack were the first to test it today.
Still will be interesting to see who wins the AI from the 'big three'
It's the team thing again, isn't it? I would struggle to name one outstanding player but I coul name five or six very good performances, McMahon, McConnell, Cavanagh Jr etc. Thought Jordan was on the ball a lot too, and maybe Penrose didn't post a prolific score today but at one stage had to come running up from the Monaghan 13m line to take a free.
Go team!
Totally astonished by that performance today. Shadow-boxed for 20 mins and then destroyed them. As LB says, Tyrone have completely changed tact in terms of defensive strategy. Mickey seems to have convinced the FB line that they can cope with any opponent without hauling in reinforcements.
Tyrone won that by 10 points without a conventional FF line at all. Truely astonishing result.
The one thing that has been noticeable in the last 2 games for Tyrone is the incredible defensive effort from all players on the team, akin to 2003 again. Mugsy is even out the field helping out frequently. Ironic how well the defence has played as a unit given that after the league the big worry on my mind and most fans would have been the defence in light of the huge tallies being shipped during the NFL campaign. It was good to see Colly Mc Cullagh on the pitch today, think he could have a big role to play this year yet and with SON returning the forward line will have a bit more potency about it. Really strong bench when you see the like of Carlin, Harte, Brian McGuigan and Colly coming on today. Still think Sean Cavanagh is wasted in the forward line, not as good receiving the ball with his back to goal.
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
Totally astonished by that performance today. Shadow-boxed for 20 mins and then destroyed them. As LB says, Tyrone have completely changed tact in terms of defensive strategy. Mickey seems to have convinced the FB line that they can cope with any opponent without hauling in reinforcements.
Tyrone won that by 10 points without a conventional FF line at all. Truely astonishing result.
Yep, just changes personnel to suit the occasion.
Great team performance from Tyrone today. Hard to pick a MOTM, so many players played well - McConnell, McCarron, Justy, Harte, Gormley, Jordan, Cavanagh x 2, Hub.
I don't think Monaghan are as bad as the scoreline suggested but this Tyrone team have been around for too long and don't panic and stick to the game plan.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 18, 2010, 05:51:29 PM
Ulster teams are beaten before they even take to the field against Tyrone.
Give them far too much respect and retreat into their shells.
If Kildare, Cork or Dublin draw Tyrone they will horse into them from the start.
And where has that got Kildare or Dublin?
Was another strange match for Tyrone where yet again they manage to do something new and unexpected
The words that kept coming to my mind was squeezed and suffocated Monaghan
We almost seemed to let Monaghan win MF and leave their wing backs free to run at us for the 1st half and soak up their pressure.
The 2 goal chances could have changed things a lot alright but there seemed to be a steeliness to our (American Accent) DEFENSE today.
I dont want to sound condescending but I think Monaghan bought into a lot of their own hype and thought they were better than they really were. Its one thing playing a team that go all out attack and you get more room them for your own attacks but Monaghan are not used to having to unlock such a defensive unit and so were lacking in Plan B & C.
Finlay, Freeman and McManus were well snuffed out after a good start for all three but when big questions were asked they were found wanting. I still think they're a good team and could run most teams close but they need a few more options if things aren't going their way
We were talking in the car back and we asked when is the last day big sean played well for a whole game.
I think Colm outshone him today and I really don't know what is Sean's best position now.
Forwards had a very off day and Tommy needs to learn that he doesn't have all day to make his mind up where to pass it to.
Is the next game in a fortnight? Can we meet Monaghan again?
I just watched the 1st half there again and the amount of shots we missed cos of kicks with the outside of the foot was bizarre.
QuoteHard to pick a MOTM, so many players played well - McConnell
i go with packie, if those two goals had have went in, the game would have changed big time. it would have give monaghan some boost.
Actually thought Jordan was one of Tyrone's worst performers. Lost more ball than was healthy. Most players put in excellent performances. The forwards put Monaghan under unreal pressure when they tried to come out.
Monaghan were pathetic.
I notice the round 4 qualifiers are next week. Did I dream the rule existed or did they get rid of the rule to guarantee a beaten provincial finalist a one week break
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
Totally astonished by that performance today. Shadow-boxed for 20 mins and then destroyed them. As LB says, Tyrone have completely changed tact in terms of defensive strategy. Mickey seems to have convinced the FB line that they can cope with any opponent without hauling in reinforcements.
Tyrone won that by 10 points without a conventional FF line at all. Truely astonishing result.
Not sure I agree entirely with that point Joe played the same role last year in numerous games.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 18, 2010, 09:27:29 PM
The one thing that has been noticeable in the last 2 games for Tyrone is the incredible defensive effort from all players on the team, akin to 2003 again. Mugsy is even out the field helping out frequently. Ironic how well the defence has played as a unit given that after the league the big worry on my mind and most fans would have been the defence in light of the huge tallies being shipped during the NFL campaign. It was good to see Colly Mc Cullagh on the pitch today, think he could have a big role to play this year yet and with SON returning the forward line will have a bit more potency about it. Really strong bench when you see the like of Carlin, Harte, Brian McGuigan and Colly coming on today. Still think Sean Cavanagh is wasted in the forward line, not as good receiving the ball with his back to goal.
Would agree a bit more with this point as made by Nico, the entire team is defending with a lot of vigour. The Tyrone defenders are almost making the opposition attackers defend against them at times. Every Tyrone defender bombed forward today when the opportunity arose and could do so in the knowledge he had cover in the shape of the midfield and half forward lines.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 18, 2010, 11:28:14 PM
Actually thought Jordan was one of Tyrone's worst performers. Lost more ball than was healthy. Most players put in excellent performances. The forwards put Monaghan under unreal pressure when they tried to come out.
Monaghan were pathetic.
R u sure watched the game at all are is that an anti moy comment i seem to remember you giving colm cavanagh plenty of grief earlier in the year as well.
Quote from: up tyrone on July 18, 2010, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 18, 2010, 11:28:14 PM
Actually thought Jordan was one of Tyrone's worst performers. Lost more ball than was healthy. Most players put in excellent performances. The forwards put Monaghan under unreal pressure when they tried to come out.
Monaghan were pathetic.
R u sure watched the game at all are is that an anti moy comment i seem to remember you giving colm cavanagh plenty of grief earlier in the year as well.
If you'd bothered to read my comments today you'd read how I had Colm up with Gormley and McCarron for MOTM so you're so far wrong it's not even funny. The world doesn't revolve around the Moy. The anti CC club had plenty of members, I was'nt one. Not often Colm puts in a better performance than Sean, today was for sure one. Philly came thought 4/5 times on the break and completely threw away the ball, you must not have seen the game I watched from the Hill.
He's pure fit and I rate him very highly - Jordan, but FFS grow up, he's not beyond a bit og criticism.
Thought that was Jordan had his best game of the championship so far. Those few times he lost it were more or less when the game was over in the last 7/8 mins.
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 19, 2010, 12:02:48 AM
Thought that was Jordan had his best game of the championship so far. Those few times he lost it were more or less when the game was over in the last 7/8 mins.
Not true at all. Not often Davey Harte or Gormley outshines Philly, normally the fittest man on the field, but if you watch the game again in full you'll see him lose possession under no pressure on a number of occasions. Wish some Tyrone supporters would drop the clubs colours and call and spade a spade.
I'm not a Moy man I can assure you. Just giving my opinion that I thought Jordan was good today - defensively very solid and was very good when he moved forward with the ball.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 18, 2010, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: up tyrone on July 18, 2010, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 18, 2010, 11:28:14 PM
Actually thought Jordan was one of Tyrone's worst performers. Lost more ball than was healthy. Most players put in excellent performances. The forwards put Monaghan under unreal pressure when they tried to come out.
Monaghan were pathetic.
R u sure watched the game at all are is that an anti moy comment i seem to remember you giving colm cavanagh plenty of grief earlier in the year as well.
If you'd bothered to read my comments today you'd read how I had Colm up with Gormley and McCarron for MOTM so you're so far wrong it's not even funny. The world doesn't revolve around the Moy. The anti CC club had plenty of members, I was'nt one. Not often Colm puts in a better performance than Sean, today was for sure one. Philly came thought 4/5 times on the break and completely threw away the ball, you must not have seen the game I watched from the Hill.
He's pure fit and I rate him very highly - Jordan, but FFS grow up, he's not beyond a bit og criticism.
Mayb i`m wrong but i wud say he was involved in at least half a dozen of tyrones scores cleaned up on break ball and his support play was very good also.I`II watch the video anyway!
I'm my humble opinion - which may be coloured by a several hours on the beer and without the aid of highlights or a second viewing-
Negatives: Ricey and Davy should be under serious pressure to start in the QF. For a start - Rory Woods shouldn't be beating any man to the ball - time and time and time again. Secondly, Davy may have got a couple of points but he's still a defensive liability.
Penrose was well snuffed out by young Browne - very few lads he'll meet that are on the same planet as him for pace - he can be forgiven for one off day!
Onto the positives.
Christ, was I wrong about Cathal McCarron! Tremendous man marking performance on Tommy Freeman and looked good on the ball coming out of defence. I don't think he's a future number 3 but he certainly has the makings of a very good corner back.
I really don't have the superlatives to describe the McMahon brothers in every aspect of the game. Unreal.
Colm Cavanagh? Ahem
Quote from: tyrone86 on February 07, 2010, 12:20:58 AM
As for Cavanagh the younger, play him at 8, 11 or 14 and give him a few weeks in the league to find his feet. He's certainly not a wing or corner man as the game passes him by far too much Sink or swim.
Forward line hasn't really kicked into gear yet - however they tend to be a different proposition in Croke Park. How could you be concerned about a forward line that has Sean Cavanagh with a performance that was mediocre at best and Stevie O'Neill not even togged out?
Edit: I was particularly harsh on Davy on second viewing, I think Mickey has gave him a specific job to do and it he did it fairly well. Ricey wasn't that bad either - still worrying that Woods was out in from so often but he'll improve.
Despite not finding the posts yesterday I thought Mugsy was sharp. He was out in front every time and set up a few scores - completely opposite performance from the Down game. Was it McArdle on him?
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 18, 2010, 05:34:01 PM
McCarron was outstanding today and it'd be hard to look past him for MOTM. Gormley was also excellent as was Colm Cavanagh. Maybe Packie should get it for those two unreal saves. The defence was completely outstanding, choking out Monaghan and suffocated them at every opportunity.
Still the wasted opportunities for Tyrone will be a concern against sterner opposition, but with such a strong bench and the likes of CC and McCarron coming good at the right time things are looking good for Tyrone this year. Dare I suggest another Senior/Minor double?
Also, would it have killed yis to do a lap of honour before firing another Ango-Celt in the kit bag and into the back of the bus?
Hardly unreal saves seeing as they were straight at him and he didn't even have to move for them. Any one o us could have saved them.
Fair play to Tyrone, they bossed the game from the start, very disappointed with Monaghan.
Tyrone will be hard to beat.
Quote from: Wee Shea on July 19, 2010, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 18, 2010, 05:34:01 PM
McCarron was outstanding today and it'd be hard to look past him for MOTM. Gormley was also excellent as was Colm Cavanagh. Maybe Packie should get it for those two unreal saves. The defence was completely outstanding, choking out Monaghan and suffocated them at every opportunity.
Still the wasted opportunities for Tyrone will be a concern against sterner opposition, but with such a strong bench and the likes of CC and McCarron coming good at the right time things are looking good for Tyrone this year. Dare I suggest another Senior/Minor double?
Also, would it have killed yis to do a lap of honour before firing another Ango-Celt in the kit bag and into the back of the bus?
Hardly unreal saves seeing as they were straight at him and he didn't even have to move for them. Any one o us could have saved them.
Two fantastic saves didn't commit himself and made the goal small for the forward...
What gloves was he wearing they looked the business?
Firstly well done to Tyrone, some performances in the full back and half back lines and then throw the keeper into the mix too. Up front they prob missed as much as they scored which also shows their dominance.
From a Monaghan point of view it was a very disappointing day out. The missed goal chances could have kept us in it a bit longer but too many of our better players didn't play up to standard and in most cases just were not let play due to Tyrones defensive brilliance. I thought Woods tried hard throughout, Darren Hughes too and Colin Walshe kept going right until the end. Our biggest problems were up front. One point by Finlay, one point by Tommy Freeman and just 2 from McManus tells its own story. We had enough of the ball early on around the middle of the field but converting that possession into chances (nevermind scores) was the issue. High balls into a one man full-forward line of Freeman was never going to work.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 18, 2010, 06:01:52 PM
I get the same vibe from Tyrone this year that I did last year and in 2007.
Stroll through Ulster and get caught in the quarter/semi final.
Wouldnt agree with the 2007 comparison. That was a Tyrone team in transition after all the injuries of 2006 and still looking to find their way without Brian McGuigan and Peter Canavan. They played well in Ulster but on reaching Croke Park Dooher and Gormley, who had been massive players in the previous games, played with injuries and SON was reduced to coming on a late sub. Had that been the case all summer Tyrone wouldnt have won Ulster in the first place so I wouldnt say it was a case of Tyrone being shown too much respect in Ulster then losing on the big stage.
2009 perhaps you have a point, Tyrone won that Ulster title without being tested and it did them few favours. We'll see the next few weeks exactly what level they are playing at.
Had a £5 spot left in my Ladbrokes account and stuck £2.50 each on Hub and Cavanagh Jr for first goal at 28/1 8)
Well this was my first time watching the Ulster Final with Tyrone in it from abroad. Not something I would like to do again as there was zero atmosphere in the pub we were in.
But other than that I could have few complaints.
My fear for Tyrone at the start of this campaign was definitely the defence. I'll put my hand up and say I felt Gormley had lost a few yards of pace and I thought he might struggle on the faster forwards. But he put in a great shift along with McCarron yesterday. Also with the two McMahon brothers we've really got little worries in that area now. And that's even before you look at the standard of subs you could bring on if one was having an of day.
I've seen mixed reviews about Jordan on here, but I have to say I thought he was very good. A complete flyer, we give the likes of Dooher alot of credit for the tracking back and the coverage of the pitch he does but Jordan was up and down that pitch for the whole game. He must be a nightmare for a forward to have to "mark".
Likewise Davey covered some amount of ground and popped up with two good points. Yet I'm sure he'll still be looking over his shoulder considering the quality of defenders that didn't start yesterday and I think in a closer match he might get caught out with his lack of speed.
Midfield did well and I can't see any changes to it unless there's an injury. Hub has looked very good this year and it's not often you'll see him land two points, so confidence must be high. CC definitely proving alot of people wrong and showing that Mickey Harte was right to stick by him.
Was disappointed with the forwards to a certain extent. I couldn't fault them for effort as they kept showing the whole match despite racking up a cricket score of wides. But I just have the feeling that if the defence had been under more pressure then we would have really struggled with scores. How many of the scores were either taken by the midfield or defenders or directly set up by an overlap move. We didn't really see any of the forwards win the ball and pop it over the bar. I suppose SON should help in that regard.
Also have to mention Mugsy's passing. His passing of maybe 30 - 40 yards is fantastic. How many times did he come deep and take the ball and then drop a pin point pass in.
But I'm sure Monaghan will be bitterly disappointed with their performance. I was expecting a close game but they just didn't seem to have the belief to keep plugging at Tyrone after the first 20 mins or so.
Phenomenal by Tyrone. :o
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 19, 2010, 12:02:48 AM
Thought that was Jordan had his best game of the championship so far. Those few times he lost it were more or less when the game was over in the last 7/8 mins.
Was a bit dissapointed with his actions on the pitch during the lat 10 mins. He goaded 2 seperate Monaghan players, almost inciting them to headbutt him. I thought he learned from his actions in 2003 against Armagh. A class player such as Jordan doesnt need to be at that carry-on.
Quote from: Tommo2 on July 19, 2010, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 19, 2010, 12:02:48 AM
Thought that was Jordan had his best game of the championship so far. Those few times he lost it were more or less when the game was over in the last 7/8 mins.
Was a bit dissapointed with his actions on the pitch during the lat 10 mins. He goaded 2 seperate Monaghan players, almost inciting them to headbutt him. I thought he learned from his actions in 2003 against Armagh. A class player such as Jordan doesnt need to be at that carry-on.
He's an absolute disgrace, they had the game won. A hateful yoke.
very disappointed with the monaghan challenge. tyrone needed a good tough game with the 1/4 Finals in mind. a good training session would probably be better preparation than what we encountered yesterday.
Cant underestimate how disapopinting that is from a Monaghan perspective.
We were rocked. A lot of our lads underperformed, Tyrone not choking us completly. We were second best thoughout. Tyrone doubled the lead in the last 5 mins but it was probably fair. though we arent that bad.
Reckon we had our biggest support at a match yesterday. The whole county got out. Must have outnumbered tyrone 2-3 to 1. Pity they outnumbered our scores 2-3 to 1 :'(
Going to be very hard for this team to pick themselves up for the Kildare match in 5 days... Ridiculus period of time for a beaten finalist to play a qualifier, but we knoew that was going to be the case yesterday morning so cant complain.
On a slightly different note I thought the ref was good yesterday. Quite often they get the headlines for the wrong reasons but I thought Coldrick did a good job yesterday.
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 19, 2010, 12:21:29 PM
On a slightly different note I thought the ref was goo yesterday. Quite often they get the headlines for the wrong reasons but I thought Coldrick did a good job yesterday.
wasthinking the same during the game myself.
I have been critical of coldrick in the past, but yesterday he had a superb game. Off the ball tackles, third man tackles etc - he spotted. He allowed the game to flow, he gave damien freeman a yellow and then two black book ticks- as he didnt want to disrupt the game etc.
Very sensible refereeing - almost mcananey-esque in its application yesterday.
Well done coldrick.
Please tell me someone else saw Pat McEnaney standing in a garden beside a cow selling tickets for a raffle? Is it only in Monaghan that a cow is offered as a raffle prize?
What about the shot of the old fella laying up on the hill behind Clones watching the game, cracker of a spot by the cameraman.
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Please tell me someone else saw Pat McEnaney standing in a garden beside a cow selling tickets for a raffle? Is it only in Monaghan that a cow is offered as a raffle prize?
it wasnt a cow...it was a heifer :P
Belgium blue if I am not mistaken
wonder who won it
Jordan got star man in the Irish News. Fair enough, I thought he was brilliant, yes a few fumbling errors near the end but top drawer performance. Any one of 6 or 7 players were superb yesterday. Packy, McCarron, Justy, Joe, Block, Cavanagh junior and hub were all contenders for me. Our midfield was getting roasted in the opening 20 minutes but the 2 lads battled hard throughout which is really encouraging for the remainder of the summer.
Quote from: Cde on July 19, 2010, 12:47:52 PM
Belgium blue if I am not mistaken
wonder who won it
If Mickey Harte bought a ticket on the way in I'd say he would have won the beast as well as the anglo celt...... ::)
Quote from: thebandit on July 19, 2010, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: Tommo2 on July 19, 2010, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 19, 2010, 12:02:48 AM
Thought that was Jordan had his best game of the championship so far. Those few times he lost it were more or less when the game was over in the last 7/8 mins.
Was a bit dissapointed with his actions on the pitch during the lat 10 mins. He goaded 2 seperate Monaghan players, almost inciting them to headbutt him. I thought he learned from his actions in 2003 against Armagh. A class player such as Jordan doesnt need to be at that carry-on.
He's an absolute disgrace, they had the game won. A hateful yoke.
Hold on a minute - Jordanwas only after receiving an upper cut from Mc Quaid in the incident you're talking about - he did well not react. Monaghan were going in hard and late at that stage.
Jordan was immense yesterday.
Caption time - what is Banty looking at in the ground ?
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48402000/jpg/_48402477_mcenaney.jpg)
Another good one :
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48401000/jpg/_48401633_cavanagh_mcmenamin.jpg)
Looks like Big Colm had a wager on him scoring first goal !!
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48401000/jpg/_48401634_colm_cavanagh.jpg)
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2010, 01:19:24 PM
Looks like Big Colm had a wager on him scoring first goal !!
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48401000/jpg/_48401634_colm_cavanagh.jpg)
No wonder he didn't pass to McCullagh!
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 19, 2010, 12:21:29 PM
On a slightly different note I thought the ref was goo yesterday. Quite often they get the headlines for the wrong reasons but I thought Coldrick did a good job yesterday.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 19, 2010, 12:33:33 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 19, 2010, 12:21:29 PM
On a slightly different note I thought the ref was goo yesterday. Quite often they get the headlines for the wrong reasons but I thought Coldrick did a good job yesterday.
wasthinking the same during the game myself.
I have been critical of coldrick in the past, but yesterday he had a superb game. Off the ball tackles, third man tackles etc - he spotted. He allowed the game to flow, he gave damien freeman a yellow and then two black book ticks- as he didnt want to disrupt the game etc.
Very sensible refereeing - almost mcananey-esque in its application yesterday.
Well done coldrick.
Totally agree. Bet you his assessment will not be as good as Sludden's in the Leinster final though. He will be criticised for not sending Freeman off and not giving Woods a yellow card when he kicked the ball away near the end.
Had a fair sized bet on Monaghan yesterday. Made the mistake of writing off Tyrone again. Great performance, their defence and workrate were especially impressive. I thought the game was very well refereed. None of the soft frees that turn me off watching football (almost none anyway). Well done ref.
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Please tell me someone else saw Pat McEnaney standing in a garden beside a cow selling tickets for a raffle? Is it only in Monaghan that a cow is offered as a raffle prize?
Here's the picture :
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/0003856e-674.jpg)
I wonder how Fiona Fearon enjoyed her day out having won tickets for the big game? Can't have been easy for her watching Armagh minors crushed by the mighty red hand and then have to sit thru Tyrone seniors cantering home as well. I wonder who Fiona took with her for the big day out?
Did anyone spot Fiona & her lucky companion?
Thoroughly enjoyable day yesterday. Came into Clones from Ballybay side, along with my Monaghan relatives, and felt like the only Tyrone man in town! Some craic in Fermanagh street before the game, definitely my favourite venue for a match.
With the luxury of a day off work today, I had the pleasure of spending my morning watching the game in the knowledge it would make pleasant viewing. In my eyes that was the best 70 minutes we've put in since the AI final in 08. Not a bad individual performance on the day, which is highlighted by the wide variety of MOTM choices. Personally i'd go with McCarron, didn't give Freeman a sniff the whole game. He was completely neutered, then again so was the majority of the Monaghan front men.
Two major incidents which didn't help the Farney men were Freeman's early goal chance and, more importantly in my view, Jap Finlay's relatively simple free kick that he missed in the first 5/10 minutes. This along with his '45 miss appeared to knock the stuffing out of him.
Great spread of scorers through-out the team and a very strong bench make me more optimistic for further honours than I was earlier in the year. With SoN to come back it only provides further ammunition, maybe not for scores alone, as he's been relatively quiet, but he is a big distraction for the opposition defenders.
Fair dues to Mickey again. All selections completely vindicated and many of us feeling rather stupid for questioning him. Roll on the QF's and if we can steer our way through this notoriously dangerous game who knows where we may end up.
Finally, one of my favourite sights in the GAA, hard to bate!
(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/darragh_mccullagh/IMG_0948.jpg?t=1279543501)
Quote from: orangeman on July 19, 2010, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 19, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Please tell me someone else saw Pat McEnaney standing in a garden beside a cow selling tickets for a raffle? Is it only in Monaghan that a cow is offered as a raffle prize?
Here's the picture :
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/0003856e-674.jpg)
They're selling those tickets since the end of May! Pat was on the street at the Carrick festival on June Bank Holiday weekend. Banty's daughter Laura was selling them in Clones yesterday as well.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on July 19, 2010, 01:34:42 PM
Totally agree. Bet you his assessment will not be as good as Sludden's in the Leinster final though. He will be criticised for not sending Freeman off and not giving Woods a yellow card when he kicked the ball away near the end.
He delegated Freeman to turn peacemaker after his last infringement.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16561.225 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16561.225)
I thought Mugsy played much better yesterday despite not getting a score
He was always out in front of his man and often did the simple thing
Unlike Big Sean he can vary what he does and can do that wee dummy so well to give himself a yard to look up
Was very disappointed with Tommy again as he has so much talent but seems lazy and doesnt seem to buy into the team ethic as well as the others. Its almost he's always thinking I have to play myself into this team by getting loads of scores.
I thiought Jordan had an excellent game as well but sure everyone made the odd mistake. Look at Justy's fumble for what could have been Freeman's goal.
Enjoyed yesterday, its been a while since I enjoyed a win like this, and it was because I had bulit Monagahan up in my own head, and should have known better with Tyrone. The older players really came through in styel and it looks like we are a serious punt for the major. The half back line was class, we have just so many good footballers who all want to play as a team. Tackling, support play and passing the ball to the players in the best position. The minor win made it an unforgettable double, to come to Clones with two teams and win both at a canter made for some slagging :D Another question for another day i know, but new blood does have to be introduced to keep the turnover sensible, nothing mental, just one or two.
Extremely disappointed, moreso with the performance than the result. This Monaghan team is a lot better than they showed today. Everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong. Even if one of the goals had gone in Monaghan might have got a bit of momentum going, but it was evident fairly early on that it just wasn't going to happen.
Monaghan would need to make the semi-final to counter the disappointment of that result. It's hard to see it happening.
Congratulations to Tyrone - and all the best for the rest of the season (unless we come up against you again)!
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 05:38:16 PM
Might be too many chiefs on the sideline there.
Funny how after Armagh and Fermanagh a lot of people were pointing to what Grimley had added. Do the same people think yesterday was down to Grimley too?
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 19, 2010, 10:10:40 AM
Well this was my first time watching the Ulster Final with Tyrone in it from abroad. Not something I would like to do again as there was zero atmosphere in the pub we were in.
Very poor atmosphere at the match itself actually - one of the flattest i've ever witnessed at an Ulster final, and i've been to a good few.
Although there was some Tyrone idiot on the hill beating a bodhran throughout the match, to the annoyance of just about everyone. Seemed totally oblivious to everyone around him telling him to shut up.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 05:38:16 PM
Might be too many chiefs on the sideline there.
Funny how after Armagh and Fermanagh a lot of people were pointing to what Grimley had added. Do the same people think yesterday was down to Grimley too?
Exactly. He had been overhyped by the media big time on what he had brought to the Monaghan setup. He must have felt underr alot of pressure yesterday.
Although the day as a whole was a bit low key due to a lack of completive edge in either game it was a great day for Tyrone. Tyrone 2-28 opposition 0-12 ;D Ulster will belong to Tyrone for a few years to come I think as the oppositions are just getting worse!
Quote from: Gaffer on July 19, 2010, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 03:42:33 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 05:38:16 PM
Might be too many chiefs on the sideline there.
Funny how after Armagh and Fermanagh a lot of people were pointing to what Grimley had added. Do the same people think yesterday was down to Grimley too?
Exactly. He had been overhyped by the media big time on what he had brought to the onaghan setuo. He ust have felt undrr alot of pressure yesterday.
Well he probably should be, shouldn't he?
He came at alot of expense and with alot of hype - though I'd be certain the latter wasn't his doing as he seems very quiet.
I'm sure he's a very decent man, and perhaps it's wrong to be singling him out at all.
But you have to wonder are there too many cooks cooking the broth?
It MUST be harder to make unanimous decisions on the line with 3 men wanting their way - I've bet at training it's even hard - imagine what it's like when you're under pressure on the sideline with 30 thousand people looking at you and Tyrone go stretching a 3 point lead to 5!!!
But Monaghan will regroup and I can't see them performing like that second day out.
I suppose the lack of atmosphere is down to two things
1: Us Tyrone supporters have had it too good in the last decade, the Ulster final doesn't mean the same anymore not when you know that we have an All Ireland winning team compared to the ninties when it was a big thing to win Ulster.
2: I would say price of alcohol would have had a big influance, back in the good days you went to a match, had a couple of pints, went to the game, went to same pub again and more pints. Now its more go to match and then go home.
and i suppose 3: the back down takes the edge of it as you know you have another bite of the cherry
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 19, 2010, 10:10:40 AM
Well this was my first time watching the Ulster Final with Tyrone in it from abroad. Not something I would like to do again as there was zero atmosphere in the pub we were in.
Very poor atmosphere at the match itself actually - one of the flattest i've ever witnessed at an Ulster final, and i've been to a good few.
Although there was some Tyrone idiot on the hill beating a bodhran throughout the match, to the annoyance of just about everyone. Seemed totally oblivious to everyone around him telling him to shut up.
I thought the atmosphere yesterday was as good as I could remember this last few years. I had the misfortune of being near someone who did the exact same thing in either the Antrim or Down games earlier this year and it nearly led to a big scuffle. Might be the same individual
Myself and a Monaghan fan in front of me were having a bit of a shouting match in the first twenty minutes (he persisted in telling every Tyrone player who made a mistake that they were finished, done, over, past it etc). Then he quietened down and had to move a few steps in front in the second half because I and my clann continued to cheer the Tyrone scores. Once it was over as a competition, of course the temperature would drop. Same happened last year against Antrim.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 19, 2010, 10:10:40 AM
Well this was my first time watching the Ulster Final with Tyrone in it from abroad. Not something I would like to do again as there was zero atmosphere in the pub we were in.
Very poor atmosphere at the match itself actually - one of the flattest i've ever witnessed at an Ulster final, and i've been to a good few.
Although there was some Tyrone idiot on the hill beating a bodhran throughout the match, to the annoyance of just about everyone. Seemed totally oblivious to everyone around him telling him to shut up.
I was beside that clown too. The f**king thing was so loud I could feel my chest vibrating. He did look like a bit of a space cadet though, mad head on him.
Quote from: AFS on July 19, 2010, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 19, 2010, 10:10:40 AM
Well this was my first time watching the Ulster Final with Tyrone in it from abroad. Not something I would like to do again as there was zero atmosphere in the pub we were in.
Very poor atmosphere at the match itself actually - one of the flattest i've ever witnessed at an Ulster final, and i've been to a good few.
Although there was some Tyrone idiot on the hill beating a bodhran throughout the match, to the annoyance of just about everyone. Seemed totally oblivious to everyone around him telling him to shut up.
I was beside that clown too. The f**king thing was so loud I could feel my chest vibrating. He did look like a bit of a space cadet though, mad head on him.
He was from the state so of course he was a fecking header ;D
Thought the atmosphere was decent before game, esp on way up to pitch but was farily flat pitchside and even moreso as game progressed.
Tyrone fans well outnumbered, although I was there with a few, would it be fair to say they are getting a little too used to success, Ulster final wins anyway in last 10 years or so and therefore not attracting as big a following as a few years back?
QuoteTyrone fans well outnumbered, although I was there with a few
And Tyrone has twice the population of Monaghan.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 19, 2010, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: AFS on July 19, 2010, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 19, 2010, 10:10:40 AM
Well this was my first time watching the Ulster Final with Tyrone in it from abroad. Not something I would like to do again as there was zero atmosphere in the pub we were in.
Very poor atmosphere at the match itself actually - one of the flattest i've ever witnessed at an Ulster final, and i've been to a good few.
Although there was some Tyrone idiot on the hill beating a bodhran throughout the match, to the annoyance of just about everyone. Seemed totally oblivious to everyone around him telling him to shut up.
I was beside that clown too. The f**king thing was so loud I could feel my chest vibrating. He did look like a bit of a space cadet though, mad head on him.
He was from the state so of course he was a fecking header ;D
Eh? He was a Tyrone man.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 19, 2010, 04:12:43 PM
I suppose the lack of atmosphere is down to two things
1: Us Tyrone supporters have had it too good in the last decade, the Ulster final doesn't mean the same anymore not when you know that we have an All Ireland winning team compared to the ninties when it was a big thing to win Ulster.
That's just it. A very significant proportion of Tyrone fans didn't even wait around for the presentation, nevermind try and get onto the pitch.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2010, 07:31:44 PM
QuoteTyrone fans well outnumbered, although I was there with a few
And Tyrone has twice the population of Monaghan.
monaghan people were out in force yesterday
They were sure they were coming to see Monaghan lifting the Anglo Celt
Quote from: Cde on July 19, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2010, 07:31:44 PM
QuoteTyrone fans well outnumbered, although I was there with a few
And Tyrone has twice the population of Monaghan.
monaghan people were out in force yesterday
They were sure they were coming to see Monaghan lifting the Anglo Celt
We were out in force in 2007 as well.
Quote from: Cde on July 19, 2010, 12:47:52 PM
Belgium blue if I am not mistaken
wonder who won it
You are - its belgian blue... :P
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 07:53:30 PM
Quote from: Cde on July 19, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2010, 07:31:44 PM
QuoteTyrone fans well outnumbered, although I was there with a few
And Tyrone has twice the population of Monaghan.
monaghan people were out in force yesterday
They were sure they were coming to see Monaghan lifting the Anglo Celt
We were out in force in 2007 as well.
the expectation was probably a little higher this time Maguire, I thought it was going to be a tight game. Didn't expect Tyrone to run away with like they did
One thing I would like to comment on and its the lack of people/towns who don't even bother to put out a flag. Was driving up through monaghan on saturday evening and happened to go through carrickmacross well the town was decked out to the nines and people along the roads had there flag out compare that to Tyrone, Aughnacloy had a couple at the top of the town Ballygawley hadn't anything worth talking about, u think someone could have stuck an ole flag on the new roundabout and Only one house along the ballygawley - omagh had a flag out, but the biggest surprise was Omagh, not a bloody thing. . What has happened.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 19, 2010, 10:39:54 PM
One thing I would like to comment on and its the lack of people/towns who don't even bother to put out a flag. Was driving up through monaghan on saturday evening and happened to go through carrickmacross well the town was decked out to the nines and people along the roads had there flag out compare that to Tyrone, Aughnacloy had a couple at the top of the town Ballygawley hadn't anything worth talking about, u think someone could have stuck an ole flag on the new roundabout and Only one house along the ballygawley - omagh had a flag out, but the biggest surprise was Omagh, not a bloody thing. . What has happened.
I'm all for a low key approach. Monaghan left the Ulster Championship with the same prise as Armagh, Derry Donegal etc.
Quote from: Cde on July 19, 2010, 09:16:08 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 07:53:30 PM
Quote from: Cde on July 19, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 19, 2010, 07:31:44 PM
QuoteTyrone fans well outnumbered, although I was there with a few
And Tyrone has twice the population of Monaghan.
monaghan people were out in force yesterday
They were sure they were coming to see Monaghan lifting the Anglo Celt
We were out in force in 2007 as well.
the expectation was probably a little higher this time Maguire, I thought it was going to be a tight game. Didn't expect Tyrone to run away with like they did
No doubt, and the margain of defeat defies logic. But regardless, for an Ulster final, Monaghan people will turn out in numbers whether in hope
or expectation.
Quote from: Qwerty28 on July 19, 2010, 07:09:55 PM
Thought the atmosphere was decent before game, esp on way up to pitch but was farily flat pitchside and even moreso as game progressed.
Tyrone fans well outnumbered, although I was there with a few, would it be fair to say they are getting a little too used to success, Ulster final wins anyway in last 10 years or so and therefore not attracting as big a following as a few years back?
I think a lot of them expected Tyrone to get beat which might have kept a few away.
I was in front of the guy with the bodhran too. I didn't mind it though.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 30, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 30, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
Logically we shouldn't lose until we meet someone better than us. And I don't think Monaghan fit that bill.
Is sporting results were dictated by logic...
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 11:26:52 PM
No doubt, and the margain of defeat defies logic. But regardless, for an Ulster final, Monaghan people will turn out in numbers whether in hope or expectation.
;)
How the feck did Lynchbhoy call this one ???
Ricey says Tyrone were 'miffed' by being written off, Tony Donnelly explains how Tyrone won the tactical battle, and Dooher is Dooher - all three new interviews are on the Ulster GAA website - http://ulster.gaa.ie///
I watched it again last night and maybe I was being a bit harsh on Sean.
He has set himself very high standards so I suppose we expect that all the time
He scored a few great long range points, one in particular under pressure
Colm played very well I thought and I noticed now when he gets knocked down he bounces back up again right away and gets on with it. No more crying.
I was far away from the action in the 2nd half but some of the late tackles that were going in were awful.
Of course I can understand their frustration as we were almost toying with them but the ref should still have sent of at least Damian Freeman if not the No 4 as well.
That incident on Dooher was disgraceful where he thought I'm F**ked if yer gonna do that dummy a third time and he shouldered him into the face.
Also thought Huighes was lucky a few times not to be shown the line.
When ye win a match like this ye tend to brush over these incidents but could have been different if someone got badly injured and out for the rest of the season just cos the ref thought the game was over and didn't wanna spoil it at a spectacle. Which is definitely wasnt anyway.
Had it been Ricey or Gormley doing some of those late shoulders or follow through I wonder would they have saw red?
The overall feeling after that game is that TEAM is the main focus and even when Carlin came on he gave McCarron a high 5
Has anyone heard from Fearon since?
Damien was lucky alright not to get a second yellow but I think you're overplaying the other incidents. Walsh lost the rag a wee bit at the end but Dooher was at the niggly stuff too, difference is he hid it much better. Inexperience showed on Walsh's part here. Don't think Hughes was in danger of going off, he played hard but no dirt involved, as far as I could see. Mind you I haven't watched the full thing again and I don't intend on either! You're probably right that the ref didn't want to send anyone off given the game was long over, certainly looked like he gave Damien a last, last warning near the end.
Quote from: Rois on July 20, 2010, 09:18:16 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 30, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 30, 2010, 12:43:10 PM
Logically we shouldn't lose until we meet someone better than us. And I don't think Monaghan fit that bill.
Is sporting results were dictated by logic...
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 19, 2010, 11:26:52 PM
No doubt, and the margain of defeat defies logic. But regardless, for an Ulster final, Monaghan people will turn out in numbers whether in hope or expectation.
;)
You illustrate my point perfectly.
On a more serious note ... how old that Brolly one that sang on Sunday? ;D
Not a half bad singer at all.
At least she didn't butcher it like many's a one has over the years.
Nothing worse than, just before the drama kicks off, and as Dessie is raking his studs down the back of the leg of the Full Forward, some poor young girl is wheeled out to confront the masses, like a Christian in the Colosseum decades ago, and wail's through the verses of something resembling the murder of cats trying to sing our beloved National Anthem.
Quote from: The Konica on July 20, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
On a more serious note ... how old that Brolly one that sang on Sunday? ;D
Not a half bad singer at all.
At least she didn't butcher it like many's a one has over the years.
Thought it was brutal myself.
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 20, 2010, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 20, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
On a more serious note ... how old that Brolly one that sang on Sunday? ;D
Not a half bad singer at all.
At least she didn't butcher it like many's a one has over the years.
Thought it was brutal myself.
Come on Maguire, there's been some shocking stuff at Clones over the years - that was good Sunday.
Quote from: The Konica on July 20, 2010, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on July 20, 2010, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: The Konica on July 20, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
On a more serious note ... how old that Brolly one that sang on Sunday? ;D
Not a half bad singer at all.
At least she didn't butcher it like many's a one has over the years.
Thought it was brutal myself.
Come on Maguire, there's been some shocking stuff at Clones over the years - that was good Sunday.
She can sing alright - it was just far too elaborate - overcooked.
Just leave it with the band.
I know what you mean but I didn't think it was too bad that way, I've heard some shocking ones - some you'd think it was X-Factor they were auditioning for.
Is she in a band?
Have to agree with Maguire here, overcooked in the extreme.
Voice maybe too strong for that job.
Was she related to Joe?
Sister according to McHugh in Star today
Quote from: tyroneman on July 20, 2010, 07:43:18 PM
Was she related to Joe?
You mean 'was' as in ... she's disowned him?
;D
There was possibly a slight timing issue between her and the band but I didn't think it wasn't too bad.
On a related note - in terms of her singing voice, she sounds exactly like her ma.
Quote from: tyrone86 on July 20, 2010, 08:08:32 PM
There was possibly a slight timing issue between her and the band but I didn't think it wasn't too bad.
On a related note - in terms of her singing voice, she sounds exactly like her ma.
How old is she then?
;D
http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/u/5/V80igyWTBs8// - the anthem by Mrs Brolly, in full!
I see Mickey Harte took exception to the lack of respect shown to Tyrone this year. Banty saying prematch, that Tyrone were the best team in Ulster in his lifetime, apparently only added fuel to the fire. Mickey was downright insulted with that putdown comment, he was almost heard responding 'we are the best in anyone's lifetime'.
Still blown away by that performance. We'll look back on this band of players in a decade or so and really appreciate how feckin good they were. Unfortunately, with the recent success, it's hard to fully enjoy an Ulster title the way you would've in the 80s and 90s. Halfway through the second half you're mulling over the possible quarter-finalists and wondering if they can maintain that performance for another 3 games. Well I am anyway.
There's still an awful more to come from the class of '10. Sean Cavanagh, Stevie O'Neill, the McGuigans - you're waiting for them to catch fire. Sorting out a scoring FF line. Who'll be corner back next. Monaghan's reaction to this will be interesting. I think they'll be hurting in a way that Banty'll use to good effect.
I hope they do oneill but I do remember on this board last year people going on about tyrone not hittin top gear yet and other teams better waych out when they do. As we all know tyrone never found that gear and were dumped out by cork, This group of players might be playin now at it full potential, I would love SON to shine this year in the championship but I don't see it happening, the man's legs are wrecked. Mickey knows this and that why he is looking for the half back line to surge forward and take their scores.
Quote from: Hereiam on July 20, 2010, 10:05:45 PM
I hope they do oneill but I do remember on this board last year people going on about tyrone not hittin top gear yet and other teams better waych out when they do. As we all know tyrone never found that gear and were dumped out by cork, This group of players might be playin now at it full potential, I would love SON to shine this year in the championship but I don't see it happening, the man's legs are wrecked. Mickey knows this and that why he is looking for the half back line to surge forward and take their scores.
Yeah, but we took it easy in the League this year, so easy that we're relegated ;)
That had the added advantage though, of not just resting the more established players, but also to give the newbies a chance to accustom themselves to the level and intensity, and some of those have indeed grown into their roles (see Colm Cav for example).
I don't think we will do it this year, its hard to say this but mickey needs to retire SON, Brian Dooher & ricey. They have done well for the county but there are better players sittin on the bench and Tyrone still have enough experienced players on the pitch to lead them on.
Retire them right now?
I agree and Gormley,Jordan,Hughes and McGinley as well. Sure there's better players not even on the squad than these boys. Once you hit 28 you should be retired.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2010, 02:20:43 PM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16561.225 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16561.225)
Was very disappointed with Tommy again as he has so much talent but seems lazy and doesnt seem to buy into the team ethic as well as the others. Its almost he's always thinking I have to play myself into this team by getting loads of scores.
To be fair to tommy i think your being very harsh on him here. I thought he played well the other day and had a hand in a lot of scores, especially in the first half. Maybe once when he got blocked he should have got a score but otherwise put in a lot of hard work and even forced a couple of turnovers if i remember. The younger cavanagh had a superb game i thought yet certain members on this board still wont admit they were wrong about him and give him more credit than he's getting. If sean played like he had on sunday he would get more praise. As for the super omagh lads, wow! Two brilliant footballers who just keep getting better.
The two McMahon boys are absolutely super footballers. Finally Joe seems to be getting the credit from outside of Tyrone that he deserves this year. It does beg the question who is better? Justin or Joe?
Quote from: tyroneboi on July 20, 2010, 11:00:52 PM
The two McMahon boys are absolutely super footballers. Finally Joe seems to be getting the credit from outside of Tyrone that he deserves this year. It does beg the question who is better? Justin or Joe?
True.
I will say though that there are a few on the team that could do Joe's job well (although he is prob the best man for the job) while not too many could do FB the way Justy does.
I'm not being smart but was there an arguement here earlier in the year that Sean Kelly was a better player than Phily Jordan? Thought I remembered reading it. Good to see him back playing well, a key member of the team. A lot of people had written him off but still well worth his place.
I don't know about Sean Kelly but Sean O'Neill is.
i thought he was talking about the cyclist
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 20, 2010, 10:36:29 PM
I agree and Gormley,Jordan,Hughes and McGinley as well. Sure there's better players not even on the squad than these boys. Once you hit 28 you should be retired.
Good job our All-Ireland winning captains of 03,05&08 did not go by that rule!! I take it you are joking?
QuoteI don't think we will do it this year, its hard to say this but mickey needs to retire SON, Brian Dooher & ricey. They have done well for the county but there are better players sittin on the bench and Tyrone still have enough experienced players on the pitch to lead them on.
You forgot to add something "
better players sittin on the bench in your opinion"
I think Mickey knows who is best to win championship games for him.
The puerile rants on this board are unbeleiveable at times. Can the mods not come up with some sort of test of intelligence before handing out permits to post?
Quote from: EC Unique on July 21, 2010, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 20, 2010, 10:36:29 PM
I agree and Gormley,Jordan,Hughes and McGinley as well. Sure there's better players not even on the squad than these boys. Once you hit 28 you should be retired.
Good job our All-Ireland winning captains of 03,05&08 did not go by that rule!! I take it you are joking?
Did ye win 3 AIs, I thought it was only 2?
This year, apart from his ability, you can't discount the sympathy factor that Dooher generates. Near the end of the Ulster Final when Dooher was on the receiving end of some physicality, even I was thinking 'ah shucks, now we are beating up on the old man'.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 21, 2010, 09:50:35 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on July 20, 2010, 10:36:29 PM
I agree and Gormley,Jordan,Hughes and McGinley as well. Sure there's better players not even on the squad than these boys. Once you hit 28 you should be retired.
Good job our All-Ireland winning captains of 03,05&08 did not go by that rule!! I take it you are joking?
Think he was being sarcastic in response to Hereiam's remarks.
Quote from: Zapatista on July 20, 2010, 11:58:06 PM
I don't know about Sean Kelly but Sean O'Neill is.
Good one!
Zap are you serious about Sean O'Neill being better than Philly Jordan? O'Neill is a brilliant footballer but he is not in Jordan league yet I would say. I have watched him on a number of occasions and I think he lacks postional sense at the minute to be a top class defender
Quote from: Wee Roddy on July 21, 2010, 01:16:18 PM
Zap are you serious about Sean O'Neill being better than Philly Jordan? O'Neill is a brilliant footballer but he is not in Jordan league yet I would say. I have watched him on a number of occasions and I think he lacks postional sense at the minute to be a top class defender
::)
In previous years I've noticed there has been a noticeable change in the performances of some players when they get to Croker. Players like Mugsy & Cavanagh seem to up a gear or something.
I wonder is it like cos they've a bigger stage and audience.
I remember when I used to play squash that if a few people would come and watch I'd up my game without thinking.
Mugsy seems to play much better in Croker v the Dubs that's for sure.
My point about Tommy was that he seems to be a bit more selfish that the other lads
I for one was very impressed with Mugsy on Sunday that he's happy to lay it off as often as he is to have a shot but I think Tommy feels he's on the fringe of the team so he has to be shooting more to score more to prove to Mickey he should be starting.
Quote from: Wee Roddy on July 21, 2010, 01:16:18 PM
Zap are you serious about Sean O'Neill being better than Philly Jordan? O'Neill is a brilliant footballer but he is not in Jordan league yet I would say. I have watched him on a number of occasions and I think he lacks postional sense at the minute to be a top class defender
I am serious. I might be a little bias though (no apology for it :) ).
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 22, 2010, 10:57:31 AM
In previous years I've noticed there has been a noticeable change in the performances of some players when they get to Croker. Players like Mugsy & Cavanagh seem to up a gear or something.
I wonder is it like cos they've a bigger stage and audience.
I remember when I used to play squash that if a few people would come and watch I'd up my game without thinking.
Mugsy seems to play much better in Croker v the Dubs that's for sure.
My point about Tommy was that he seems to be a bit more selfish that the other lads
I for one was very impressed with Mugsy on Sunday that he's happy to lay it off as often as he is to have a shot but I think Tommy feels he's on the fringe of the team so he has to be shooting more to score more to prove to Mickey he should be starting.
Agreed. Mugsy's very much a team player !!!