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#1
General discussion / Re: Holidays
Today at 05:49:51 PM
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Quote from: screenexile on May 10, 2024, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2024, 02:56:15 PMWell it's the lodges/villas I meant. I wouldn't be one for the aul tent now. Fond of my air con and instant hot water. Iberian finals are in Salou next Saturday with a bank holiday on the Monday so we're going down and staying for a few days.

Sanguli is the best Eurocamp I've been to by a fair bit. Class spot!!

Heading to Cambrils this year and interested to see how it compares to Marina di Venezia. 
Cambrils is fantastic. Been 5 times. Kids love it.

Would love to have my kids that age again to go back.. Cambrills was excellent
#2
Quote from: gallsman on Today at 05:38:20 PMRef didn't want to risk being in position of giving away a dodgy free for a potential winner.

Considering the quality of some of the scores, I found the whole thing very boring.

10 seconds, I'll not hold him on that with how defensive they'd have played that ball!

On a positive I backed the draw so fair play ref!
#3
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on Today at 04:23:16 PMA missed free isn't. And that's the point, you shouldn't be looking at the outcome.
The penalty for committing a foul near your own goal is that the opposition is presented with a scoring opportunity (a free). They are not given a score, just the opportunity to get one. The onus is entirely on them to capitalise on that. If they miss it, tough luck.
The advantage rule should allow them to make use of a better opportunity if it presents itself but again, the onus should be entirely on them to capitalise on it and if they miss it, tough luck.

For me, the main reason for the advantage rule is so that the awarding of a free kick is not a punishment to the fouled team.

And of course it's my opinion.

From a personal perspective from playing as a defender for most of my playing days I'd have same opinion.

That said when I started to play up front I'd be looking my advantage, in essence my cake and eat it attitude.

But the rules are the rules.. lots of them need looked at tweaked to help..

I'd love a rule that would wipe out slabbering, but hey can't fix that side of things
#4
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on Today at 11:51:28 AMThe logic is that you don't get 2 attempts at a shot for a foul. You get 1.

That can be a free or let the play continue if the opportunity is deemed by the ref to be better than the original free.

A free is not a guaranteed score. If you don't take advantage of it then tough. The same should apply to shots that are deemed to be "better than the free".

There is an advantage if he misses in the 5 seconds. He just didn't take it.



And that's your opinion and grand. But that's not how it's done or intended.

A free is not guaranteed but it's a better advantage than a missed shot.
#5
Quote from: Armagh18 on Today at 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on Today at 11:12:56 AMThat's a good point.
It also reinforces my belief that the rule is wrong in that if you get an opportunity to shoot from a more advantageous position then you should not get a free regardless of the outcome.
It should be one or the other.
depends if you're shooting off balance i think

There's no advantage if he misses within the 5 seconds. So if he misses then within the 5 seconds, bring it back for the free, because in olden times the ref gives the free and they score from it. I'm not sure of the logic he had a chance but missed, tough?
#6
Quote from: David McKeown on Today at 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: Gianni on Today at 10:47:35 AMHi men! I am Giovanni from Italy, I come from Rome. I am an amateur soccer player and now I discover this new sport, i.e. Gaelic Football.
I have already read all the rules but I still have doubts.
Ok, let's get started.

1. When the player is in possession of the ball, the ball is held in his hands, he could:
  A. throw the ball in the air and catch it again with your hands? I think not, right?
  B. throw the ball in the air, hit it with any part of the body except arms and hands and then catch it in the hands? I don't think so, am I right?
  C. throw the ball and hit it with any part of the body, maybe like someone throws the ball in the air and then hits it with his head, legal?
  D. Bringing the ball with the hands at head height and then, without either throwing or releasing it, hitting the ball with the head or any part of the body except the hands, legal?

2. Rule: 1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be bounced more than once in succession.. So a player could control the ball with one hand (or two?) and play it basketball style as far as he wants? It would be much easier than soloing so how come we don't see it? The reason I expect is that 'caught' does not infer with both hands?

3. When a player tries to catch a ball in the air he may touch the ball several times with his hands as long as he has control of it. But could he continue to bounce the ball from his hand into the air as Hurling players do with stick and ball?
Rule: To play the ball up with the hand(s) and catch it again before it touches the ground, another player, or goal-posts
But, according to the rule, a player, once he touches the ball once in the air, cannot touch it a second or third time?
I believe as long as he can't control the ball the player could do it, but if we interpret the rule literally this wouldn't be legal, would it?

4. Situation: a player takes possession and hops the ball.

 A. After the hop he flicks it up in the air and catches it before it bounces the ground, a posts or a player.
 B. he flicks it to pass the ball to someone else.
 C. he flicks it to score a goal.
are A, B, C legals?

5. Situation: a player with the foot or with other parts of body but the hands tries a "Sombrero trick" and:
 A. in the air he strikes the ball to an other direction.
 B. in the air he strikes the ball and then he caught it.
 C. in the air he caught it and goes on.

6. Ladies Gaelic football allows this:
Rule: A player may toss up the ball with one hand and play it off with the same hand.
So a player toss up the ball with right hand, surpass a player and then he can catch it with right hand, legal?
What does mean this Rule: Showing the Ball or Turning Twice with the ball is NOT a foul providing it is done within the 4 step rule.
I mean what are the showing the ball or turning twice.

Thanks

I'll leave these to the resident ref but you have given PTSD with point 2. The way that rule is to be interpreted after the Clifford or Ganey (can't remember which) goal makes no sense. For a ball to be considered bounced it has to leave the hands, hit the ground and return immediately into the hand. As a result the the rule basically says you can continue to bounce the ball provided you never bounce the ball.

I'll go through some of these later, but the bounce rule has been in place forever, you could if your opponents let you literally bounce it up the pitch.

But to say it's easier than soloing it is bananas, the ball is more exposed and easier tackled if bouncing it up the pitch, one of the main reasons as to why you don't see it done on purpose

Not sure why anyone would think showing the ball (providing the ball isn't shifted from one hand to the other) or turning twice within the time it takes 4 steps is or should be a foul, theoretically I can turn 20 times (if I was a ballerina) in the time it takes to take four steps.
#7
Quote from: David McKeown on Today at 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2024, 12:25:28 PMPersonally I let it continue a 'good' 5 seconds in those critical areas (goal scoring ops) and other than him committing an aggressive foul himself or literally taking the piss in steps I'll bring back for the original

2 games in a row now (football) lads and management are still unsure of the rules for even the basics that have been about for years.

As David has said many times, its not a black and white set of rules, it is in most parts down to the ref's interpretation of the rules which largely pisses people off, but that's the way it is currently until a review is done to tidy it up

Before the advantage rule we used to have the 'slow' whistle which allowed us to give a player a chance to 'break' free of a challenge and possibly set up play, or score.  Sort of stuck on both now lol!



There was one last night in the Cork v Limerick match that made me wonder. Cork attacking near the end chasing a goal. Advantage given inside the 21. Player breaks free, and gets a shot away off target. Goes over the bar but he was clearly shooting for goal. Should that come back? I mean I know he scored but Cork needed a goal and got one from a free in the same position against Clare the last day out. I genuinely don't know what should happen in that scenario. Would the attacker have been better deliberately missing?

Remembered it, never thought that any of the players or management wanted that retaken. But it's a good point because had he missed it would have undoubtedly been brought back for a 21 yard free.

The introduction of the advantage rule was to reduce the amount of fouls happening in the game, creating less breaks better fluency.

When done well it's better for the game, think it works better in hurling.
#8
Quote from: Nanderson on May 11, 2024, 11:47:54 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 11, 2024, 11:43:27 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2024, 11:39:55 PMI say they had machines in Israel dialling in flat out!
I expect Israel to have been given 12 points by the UK
Confirmed. Massive right wing media pushing people to vote for Israel

Gave Ireland 10 too, not sure how that fits in lol
#9
General discussion / Re: Astronomy Thread
May 11, 2024, 11:48:41 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2024, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: downtown on May 11, 2024, 11:00:24 PMAny sightings or is tonight looking to good ?
Had a quick check outside and nothing. Patchy cloud.

A very lovely crescent moon though
#10
Croatia  have shit the bed here! Bottled job, in their hands too! Theirs to lose and they lost it!
#11
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2024, 11:38:28 PMUK popular as ever lol

Yes but Israel get a huge number! The cants
#12
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 11, 2024, 11:23:13 PMI didn't think much of the Swiss song myself. I think it will crash in the public vote.

Would need to be a huge swing for Swiss to lose now
#13
Quote from: Nanderson on May 11, 2024, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2024, 11:04:01 PMIsrael have Germany 10 points lol.

England rock bottom

No surprise
8 points back from Germany. Brothers in arms

It was booed too when it came up
#14
Quote from: jcpen on May 11, 2024, 10:59:58 PMIt's Switzerlands to lose, if they don't win it from here be some bottle job.

Only half time these scores
#15
Israel have Germany 10 points lol.

England rock bottom

No surprise