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Is nobody interested in the final on Sunday?
I know there's not as many Kerry and Dublin posters on here as there used to be but does nobody care any more.

Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems like he's stoking the fire a bit where he's calling the Dubs out for their hard edge and cynicism.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/analysing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-three-examples-of-dublins-hard-edge-and-cynicism-35601841.html

Are most people just expecting another Dublin handy win with no fireworks?
It most be one of the lowest key finals ever.

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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2017, 02:33:56 PM »
Fitzmaurice knows there will be only 1 way for Kerry to take down the dubs.  One record gone, Can dubs push on and take that coveted 5 in a row in due course, becoming the greatest team in the history of Gaelic football.   
with 2 months to go to their championship game Kerry must lay the marker down. Noth this year lads.   
What Ive heard is that there will be no dry powder left. 
Could be a classic. 

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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2017, 03:32:31 PM »
Is nobody interested in the final on Sunday?
I know there's not as many Kerry and Dublin posters on here as there used to be but does nobody care any more.

Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems like he's stoking the fire a bit where he's calling the Dubs out for their hard edge and cynicism.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/analysing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-three-examples-of-dublins-hard-edge-and-cynicism-35601841.html

Are most people just expecting another Dublin handy win with no fireworks?
It most be one of the lowest key finals ever.

Dublin are without doubt the best team of all time and will continue to be for as long as they like, notwithstanding the odd negative result once in a while.  Given the resources they have at their disposal, thereís no way any other team will be able to match them in terms of physical and psychological preparation. Some, few,  counties will also spend way above their means to try and keep up with the Dubs but they can never have more than occasional success.
Pity is that success in Gaelic football comes down to hard cash and with the Dubs, and a few others some distance behind, can spend more to prepare an amateur  team than the GDP of some third world countries, I cannot see Kerry or any other team going up against the Dublin with any degree of optimism and given the cost of tickets and transport et. there will be very few from other counties thatíll turn up for the final. There may be more at a Leinster championship game than youíll see on Sunday.  ;D

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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2017, 03:58:53 PM »
The 30 other Counties boredom factor has set in.
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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2017, 04:16:44 PM »
Meath should be playing Kildare.
Hollywood are making a movie about it starring Morgan Freeman. He will be taking the frees. And standing around the square.
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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2017, 04:33:28 PM »
I'm really looking forward to this weekend but the league had it's natural conclusion last weekend so people are not overly bothered by who wins these games. The lower division finals are usually very good and they should be excellent again this year. However, the division one could be the pick of the bunch. Kerry are closing the gap on Dublin and I expect them to match Dublin over the next few years. They are bringing through excellent young players and importantly many brilliant young forwards.

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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2017, 04:54:47 PM »
What sort of crowd they expecting for Sunday?


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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2017, 05:21:39 PM »
Is nobody interested in the final on Sunday?
I know there's not as many Kerry and Dublin posters on here as there used to be but does nobody care any more.

Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems like he's stoking the fire a bit where he's calling the Dubs out for their hard edge and cynicism.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/analysing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-three-examples-of-dublins-hard-edge-and-cynicism-35601841.html

Are most people just expecting another Dublin handy win with no fireworks?
It most be one of the lowest key finals ever.

Dublin are without doubt the best team of all time and will continue to be for as long as they like, notwithstanding the odd negative result once in a while.  Given the resources they have at their disposal, thereís no way any other team will be able to match them in terms of physical and psychological preparation. Some, few,  counties will also spend way above their means to try and keep up with the Dubs but they can never have more than occasional success.
Pity is that success in Gaelic football comes down to hard cash and with the Dubs, and a few others some distance behind, can spend more to prepare an amateur  team than the GDP of some third world countries, I cannot see Kerry or any other team going up against the Dublin with any degree of optimism and given the cost of tickets and transport et. there will be very few from other counties thatíll turn up for the final. There may be more at a Leinster championship game than youíll see on Sunday.  ;D

You've hit the nail on the head there Lar. There has always been inequality in the GAA. That goes without saying. Otherwise Leitrim would have more Connacht titles (at least)!

But this Dublin Dominance carries huge long term problems. Never in any other Sport/Code has there or is there the advantages that Dublin have.

Imagine England having all their Six Nations games in Twickenham! Dublin in the AI series are like the host National at a Soccer World Cup.
Kerry look depressed! The Tyrone anomaly 10 years ago was one they knew they could over come. This is just beyond them and they know it. Super 8 now means your could have to beat Dublin three times if you are a Leinster County to win an AI.  Meanwhile Dublin Supporters are getting bored. Super 8 is for them really! They need an extra challenge or two more to make their dominance a bit more fun. It just feels like we are all a side show for Dublin and the Coffers in Croke Park.

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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2017, 05:32:27 PM »
Mayo maybe depressed but Kerry are going about the business of challenging the Dubs rather than moaning about them. Kerry are winning minor All Irelands, club titles, Hogan cups and probably an U21 shortly. Perhaps it's time that other counties similar in size a resources to Kerry got on with it?

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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2017, 05:39:00 PM »
And those of us with less resources/ population/hurley  go Inter and Junior for National championship?
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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2017, 05:44:49 PM »
I think it's a weird one for us, because there was no expectation of facing Dublin in a League final again after the way results were going. The fact it come just 7 days after Tyrone game aswell doesn't help with build up.

I don't think we're fully ready yet to take on Dublin. We need 100% strength and that means Jameso, Enright, Young and a few of the 21s. All unavailable for this game Sunday, so much like last year I can see us competing for much of the game but possibly falling off a bit in the last quarter. Dublin's bench (whoever is on it) will make an impact and if they had the same personnel to come on as they had in Tralee a few weeks ago, it would make a bigger difference in Croker.

Some of the shite in the media recently (Paul Curran etc) hasn't even had much impact, although Fitzmaurice fired a few shots back the other day. I don't think it makes a blind bit of difference. Logically, Dublin are 5/6 points a better squad right now and that will probably show again on Sunday. If Gavin decided to try out a few options again (Reddin, Scully etc) to see how they handle it, it may narrow the gap somewhat, but still hard to see Kerry winning unless they improve hugely from even last week when an abject Tyrone limped in and out of Killarney.
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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2017, 05:50:04 PM »
Kerry in transition reaching back to back league finals highlights the lack of truly great competition for Dublin.

We all could talk up Dublin however does anyone stop and question how good they really are? For me the strength of any team is the strength of their opposition.

The main challengers to Dublin currently.

1. Kerry in transition and will be few years before they get back to the level they once were.

2. Mayo haven't beaten Dublin since 2012 and probably peaked themselves in 2013.

3. Tyrone lack scoring forwards and not a patch of their All Ireland winning teams.

4. Donegal in transition and have overplayed their U21s this spring a risk that could backfire badly for them this summer.

5. Monaghan is this the year for them to finally win All Ireland quarter final?


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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2017, 06:02:12 PM »
Mayo maybe depressed but Kerry are going about the business of challenging the Dubs rather than moaning about them. Kerry are winning minor All Irelands, club titles, Hogan cups and probably an U21 shortly. Perhaps it's time that other counties similar in size a resources to Kerry got on with it?
The Kerry brand name is huge, they can make one trip overseas and rake in the type of cash that the majority of counties can only dream of.

The school and minor AI success of the last few years is thanks mostly to the huge cash pumped into their development and coaching at grass roots level and again the type of money a lot of counties couldn't afford.

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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2017, 06:45:39 PM »
Mayo raise huge cash abroad as well and Donegal have done so too. There have always been differences in playing and financial resources and while Dublin are an exception in financial and playing numbers, Kerry are not. If Kerry can produce players that can compete with Dublin and win All Irelands why can't others?


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Re: All this league positivity talk and yet no thread for the final
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2017, 07:23:43 PM »
Mayo raise huge cash abroad as well and Donegal have done so too. There have always been differences in playing and financial resources and while Dublin are an exception in financial and playing numbers, Kerry are not. If Kerry can produce players that can compete with Dublin and win All Irelands why can't others?

But the thing is they can't! Not at the moment!