Best team that didn't win an all Ireland ?

[shark]

Probably Cork of the late 70's from what I've heard. Being biased I'll say Derry 1994. They might actually have been better than they were in 93 but just couldn't beat Down on the day. Nobody else really got close to Down that year.

Totally agree that Derry tram shouldve won more than 1 all ireland. Tyrone were very lucky to have a back door when they were good. Derry and Down would prob have another 1 or 2 in the 90s had there been a back door. Dubs and Meath also. They were good early 90s

They couldn't all have won more all-Irelands though. There was only one each year!

[Jinxy]

'97 was the one that got away for us.

[clarshack]

if there was a backdoor in 1995, Derry would have bounced back from the defeat to 13 man Tyrone and won the All-Ireland imo.

[macdanger2]

This Mayo team simply doesn't have good forwards. O'Connor is massively overrated. Moran is the only talented forward they have but he's not the player he once was.

And yet we could / should have beaten one of the all-time great teams last year and the year before

[rrhf]

if there was a backdoor in 1995, Derry would have bounced back from the defeat to 13 man Tyrone and won the All-Ireland imo.

Why would the perpetual self loathing have been parked for the county cause?
The argument that a Derry team with 1 forward that bate an auld done Cork in 1993 should be even considered as a team that could have won more than 1 can be easily corrected by a general look at that team.  Some cracking defensive players no doubt, Anthony Tohill and no terrible weaknesses was their ingredient.  They wouldn't have had a patch of the Armagh 00s or the Donegal team of the last 5 years.     

[The Stallion]

Lol. That Derry side were far far better than the Donegal one you mention. Also a good bit better than Armagh in my opinion.

That Donegal team had very few really good players, it was all about the system. In terms of ability, Derry had far better footballers.

[dec]

The Armagh team of the late 70s early 80s was the equal of the Roscommon team of the same era.

But neither team were quite the equals of the Kerry and Dublin teams of the same era.

[rrhf]

Great corner backs, centre half back and midfielders. And tough guys all around the field.  Now go through that forward line again with totals of what they scored that year.  Brollys own team were a workmanlike with next to zero natural flair and were extremely systematic.
They all had their jobs to do and they done them well. I think it does them a great disservice to say they were capable of winning a second All Ireland they done absolutely brilliant to win 1 and all in an era where Kerry and Dubs, Meath, Cork and Galway were not at the races. So massive achievement and the embodiment of a great managers work. 
Then the self loathing started. 

[Estimator]

1st Rd v Down 3-11
Semi-Final v Monaghan 0-19
Ulster Final v Donegal 0-08 (Horrible day - Match should have been postponed with the amount of water on the pitch)

AI semi v Dublin 0-15
All Ireland Final v Cork 1-14

Total 4-67 = 15.8pts/game

Scorers
Gormley 0-25 (Forward)
Tohill 0-15 (Midfield)
Heaney 1-2 (Forward)
Cassidy 0-05 (Forward)
Brolly 0-05 (Forward)
Burns 1-01 (Forward)
McGurk 0-03 (Defender)
McGilligan 0-03 (Midfield)
Ferris 1-0 (Forward)
H Downey 0-02 (Defender)
Barton 0-2 (Forward)
Diamond 0-01 (Defender)
Coleman 0-01 (Defender)
McNicholl 0-01 (Forward)

In the 5 C'ship games that Derry played in '93, Brolly started two of them (v Dublin and Cork) where he amassed a grand total of 2pts. He wasn't used against Down. He scored 3pts in a cameo appearance against Monaghan in the semi-final, but he didn't start the Ulster Final, though he did make a non-scoring appearance. 
Brolly didn't get his All Stars until '96 & '97

[rrhf]

So outside the freetakers Tohill and Gormley the Derry forward line and subs scored 216 in 5 games.  thats between 7 players.  This averages just over 3 points a forward in 5 games or 1 point per forward every game and 2/3.  Just how many more all irelands did they cruelly miss out on?
People very close to that all Ireland winning set up now say that defenders are winning games and not forwards.  Plus Ca change!
Now Down had some class forwards, just didnt need the in 94 because forwards were not needed then.  They were needed in the 2000s and in 1998.  But not by Derry.
They won an all ireland with great freetakers. 

[Franko]

So outside the freetakers Tohill and Gormley the Derry forward line and subs scored 216 in 5 games.  thats between 7 players.  This averages just over 3 points a forward in 5 games or 1 point per forward every game and 2/3 and a next.  Just how many more all irelands did they cruelly miss out on?

Why are you not including what the freetakers scored?  Appreciate Tohill was a midfielder but was Gormley not allowed to score from play or something?

[rrhf]

Franko as a Derry man you should know that a one legged Enda Gormley was one of the best and most reliable freetakers in the land that year.  He struck the ball beautifully and erringly from the ground without fail game after game.  Tohill and his giant frees were a thing of beauty.  Time and time again.  He hit frees like Bryan Sheehan. All day long. 
Id love to know how many those great freetakers missed that year Id guess not many.   
 

[Estimator]

So outside the freetakers Tohill and Gormley the Derry forward line and subs scored 216 in 5 games.  thats between 7 players.  This averages just over 3 points a forward in 5 games or 1 point per forward every game and 2/3 and a next.  Just how many more all irelands did they cruelly miss out on?

Nice bit of messing going on RRHF!
I'm glad that you are now setting the parameters on valid scores... So the only scores that count are those from Forwards, and if a Forward also takes the Frees then none of his scores count at all.

[Maroon Manc]

Which team would the Mayo posters consider the better one, the team from 96 & 97 or the current lot?

[dublin7]

Which team would the Mayo posters consider the better one, the team from 96 & 97 or the current lot?

Mayo 96 team should have won the all ireland especially the 1st day. Better than the current team. Best forward on the current side is Andy Moran and he is 33/34.