Is nobody interested in the final on Sunday?
I know there's not as many Kerry and Dublin posters on here as there used to be but does nobody care any more.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems like he's stoking the fire a bit where he's calling the Dubs out for their hard edge and cynicism.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/analysing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-three-examples-of-dublins-hard-edge-and-cynicism-35601841.html
Are most people just expecting another Dublin handy win with no fireworks?
It most be one of the lowest key finals ever.
Fitzmaurice knows there will be only 1 way for Kerry to take down the dubs. One record gone, Can dubs push on and take that coveted 5 in a row in due course, becoming the greatest team in the history of Gaelic football.
with 2 months to go to their championship game Kerry must lay the marker down. Noth this year lads.
What Ive heard is that there will be no dry powder left.
Could be a classic.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 07, 2017, 01:56:31 PM
Is nobody interested in the final on Sunday?
I know there's not as many Kerry and Dublin posters on here as there used to be but does nobody care any more.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems like he's stoking the fire a bit where he's calling the Dubs out for their hard edge and cynicism.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/analysing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-three-examples-of-dublins-hard-edge-and-cynicism-35601841.html
Are most people just expecting another Dublin handy win with no fireworks?
It most be one of the lowest key finals ever.
Dublin are without doubt the best team of all time and will continue to be for as long as they like, notwithstanding the odd negative result once in a while. Given the resources they have at their disposal, there's no way any other team will be able to match them in terms of physical and psychological preparation. Some, few, counties will also spend way above their means to try and keep up with the Dubs but they can never have more than occasional success.
Pity is that success in Gaelic football comes down to hard cash and with the Dubs, and a few others some distance behind, can spend more to prepare an amateur team than the GDP of some third world countries, I cannot see Kerry or any other team going up against the Dublin with any degree of optimism and given the cost of tickets and transport et. there will be very few from other counties that'll turn up for the final. There may be more at a Leinster championship game than you'll see on Sunday. ;D
The 30 other Counties boredom factor has set in.
Meath should be playing Kildare.
Hollywood are making a movie about it starring Morgan Freeman. He will be taking the frees. And standing around the square.
I'm really looking forward to this weekend but the league had it's natural conclusion last weekend so people are not overly bothered by who wins these games. The lower division finals are usually very good and they should be excellent again this year. However, the division one could be the pick of the bunch. Kerry are closing the gap on Dublin and I expect them to match Dublin over the next few years. They are bringing through excellent young players and importantly many brilliant young forwards.
What sort of crowd they expecting for Sunday?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 03:32:31 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 07, 2017, 01:56:31 PM
Is nobody interested in the final on Sunday?
I know there's not as many Kerry and Dublin posters on here as there used to be but does nobody care any more.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems like he's stoking the fire a bit where he's calling the Dubs out for their hard edge and cynicism.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/analysing-eamonn-fitzmaurices-three-examples-of-dublins-hard-edge-and-cynicism-35601841.html
Are most people just expecting another Dublin handy win with no fireworks?
It most be one of the lowest key finals ever.
Dublin are without doubt the best team of all time and will continue to be for as long as they like, notwithstanding the odd negative result once in a while. Given the resources they have at their disposal, there's no way any other team will be able to match them in terms of physical and psychological preparation. Some, few, counties will also spend way above their means to try and keep up with the Dubs but they can never have more than occasional success.
Pity is that success in Gaelic football comes down to hard cash and with the Dubs, and a few others some distance behind, can spend more to prepare an amateur team than the GDP of some third world countries, I cannot see Kerry or any other team going up against the Dublin with any degree of optimism and given the cost of tickets and transport et. there will be very few from other counties that'll turn up for the final. There may be more at a Leinster championship game than you'll see on Sunday. ;D
You've hit the nail on the head there Lar. There has always been inequality in the GAA. That goes without saying. Otherwise Leitrim would have more Connacht titles (at least)!
But this Dublin Dominance carries huge long term problems. Never in any other Sport/Code has there or is there the advantages that Dublin have.
Imagine England having all their Six Nations games in Twickenham! Dublin in the AI series are like the host National at a Soccer World Cup.
Kerry look depressed! The Tyrone anomaly 10 years ago was one they knew they could over come. This is just beyond them and they know it. Super 8 now means your could have to beat Dublin three times if you are a Leinster County to win an AI. Meanwhile Dublin Supporters are getting bored. Super 8 is for them really! They need an extra challenge or two more to make their dominance a bit more fun. It just feels like we are all a side show for Dublin and the Coffers in Croke Park.
Mayo maybe depressed but Kerry are going about the business of challenging the Dubs rather than moaning about them. Kerry are winning minor All Irelands, club titles, Hogan cups and probably an U21 shortly. Perhaps it's time that other counties similar in size a resources to Kerry got on with it?
And those of us with less resources/ population/hurley go Inter and Junior for National championship?
I think it's a weird one for us, because there was no expectation of facing Dublin in a League final again after the way results were going. The fact it come just 7 days after Tyrone game aswell doesn't help with build up.
I don't think we're fully ready yet to take on Dublin. We need 100% strength and that means Jameso, Enright, Young and a few of the 21s. All unavailable for this game Sunday, so much like last year I can see us competing for much of the game but possibly falling off a bit in the last quarter. Dublin's bench (whoever is on it) will make an impact and if they had the same personnel to come on as they had in Tralee a few weeks ago, it would make a bigger difference in Croker.
Some of the shite in the media recently (Paul Curran etc) hasn't even had much impact, although Fitzmaurice fired a few shots back the other day. I don't think it makes a blind bit of difference. Logically, Dublin are 5/6 points a better squad right now and that will probably show again on Sunday. If Gavin decided to try out a few options again (Reddin, Scully etc) to see how they handle it, it may narrow the gap somewhat, but still hard to see Kerry winning unless they improve hugely from even last week when an abject Tyrone limped in and out of Killarney.
Kerry in transition reaching back to back league finals highlights the lack of truly great competition for Dublin.
We all could talk up Dublin however does anyone stop and question how good they really are? For me the strength of any team is the strength of their opposition.
The main challengers to Dublin currently.
1. Kerry in transition and will be few years before they get back to the level they once were.
2. Mayo haven't beaten Dublin since 2012 and probably peaked themselves in 2013.
3. Tyrone lack scoring forwards and not a patch of their All Ireland winning teams.
4. Donegal in transition and have overplayed their U21s this spring a risk that could backfire badly for them this summer.
5. Monaghan is this the year for them to finally win All Ireland quarter final?
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 05:32:27 PM
Mayo maybe depressed but Kerry are going about the business of challenging the Dubs rather than moaning about them. Kerry are winning minor All Irelands, club titles, Hogan cups and probably an U21 shortly. Perhaps it's time that other counties similar in size a resources to Kerry got on with it?
The Kerry brand name is huge, they can make one trip overseas and rake in the type of cash that the majority of counties can only dream of.
The school and minor AI success of the last few years is thanks mostly to the huge cash pumped into their development and coaching at grass roots level and again the type of money a lot of counties couldn't afford.
Mayo raise huge cash abroad as well and Donegal have done so too. There have always been differences in playing and financial resources and while Dublin are an exception in financial and playing numbers, Kerry are not. If Kerry can produce players that can compete with Dublin and win All Irelands why can't others?
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Mayo raise huge cash abroad as well and Donegal have done so too. There have always been differences in playing and financial resources and while Dublin are an exception in financial and playing numbers, Kerry are not. If Kerry can produce players that can compete with Dublin and win All Irelands why can't others?
But the thing is they can't! Not at the moment!
League finals never felt right to me, to be honest.
Even when we were winning them.
I suppose it's nice to win one if you're not used to winning stuff in general.
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 05:32:27 PM
Mayo maybe depressed but Kerry are going about the business of challenging the Dubs rather than moaning about them. Kerry are winning minor All Irelands, club titles, Hogan cups and probably an U21 shortly. Perhaps it's time that other counties similar in size a resources to Kerry got on with it?
Mayo have won a minor title, U21 title, club title and school's All Ireland titles (Rice & Drummond) in the last five years so while Kerry are rising fast we are hardly just sitting in the corner crying about Paddy Macenaney! ;)
I think we have challenged the Dubs at senior more than Kerry in the championship recently so a few lads on here moaning hardly equates to a county with less resources than Kerry or Dublin moaning??? When was the last time you heard a current or very recent Mayo player, coach or manager mention Dublin or Kerry resources/venues/refs/decisions etc...
We in Mayo all know our problem ie forwards and not producing them!!
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Mayo raise huge cash abroad as well and Donegal have done so too. There have always been differences in playing and financial resources and while Dublin are an exception in financial and playing numbers, Kerry are not. If Kerry can produce players that can compete with Dublin and win All Irelands why can't others?
Mayo should raise huge cash in the States especially but we don't and from the last New York trip came home with about €7000 whereas Kerry last raised in the region of €150,000 from a trip there. They also have smartly got the Kerry Group on board whereas we have a multinational that was started and owned by two huge Mayo fans that are not involved in any meaningful way with the county. Again like the forwards problem this is a something we need to solve and has nothing to do with Kerry or Dublin or even Meath!!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 07, 2017, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Mayo raise huge cash abroad as well and Donegal have done so too. There have always been differences in playing and financial resources and while Dublin are an exception in financial and playing numbers, Kerry are not. If Kerry can produce players that can compete with Dublin and win All Irelands why can't others?
But the thing is they can't! Not at the moment!
Have Kerry not won the last 3 minor All Irelands? Sure Dublin haven't even made one since 2012. Kerry will be as strong if not stronger than Dublin in the next few years.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 07, 2017, 08:55:22 PM
League finals never felt right to me, to be honest.
Even when we were winning them.
I suppose it's nice to win one if you're not used to winning stuff in general.
Good point re league finals. I have always found them an anti climax unless 2 outsiders are involved.
If Monaghan and Donegal had made the final there'd be novelty value interest at least.
I think it's time to abandon League Finals but I suppose 40k at an average €25 a head........
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 09:26:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 07, 2017, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Mayo raise huge cash abroad as well and Donegal have done so too. There have always been differences in playing and financial resources and while Dublin are an exception in financial and playing numbers, Kerry are not. If Kerry can produce players that can compete with Dublin and win All Irelands why can't others?
But the thing is they can't! Not at the moment!
Have Kerry not won the last 3 minor All Irelands? Sure Dublin haven't even made one since 2012. Kerry will be as strong if not stronger than Dublin in the next few years.
Dublin have won 7 of the last 9 under 21 Leinster titles!
Dublin have won 4 of the last 8 Leinster Minor titles!
Dublin have won 9 of the last 12 Leinster Club titles!
Dublin have won 11 of the last 12 Leinster Senior titles!
Dublin have won 2 of the last 4 Senior Club AIs!
Dublin have won a Minor AI in 2012.
Dublin won under 21 AI in 2010, 2012, 2014
Dublin senior team has won 4 of the last 6 AIs!
Dublin have won the last 4 National Leagues!
This is a Tsunami of titles! Look how well Dublin fared 10 years plus and you will see the Change!
It's frightening.
Most of that list only proves Dublin are the best team in Leinster which is irrelevant. The senior team are undoubtedly the best team in Ireland but the underage trend is not in their favour. Kerry are the growing force and importantly they are producing great young forwards. Dublin won't be languishing in division 3 anytime shortly but Kerry, at least, will be beating them soon.
Any teams named?
Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 10:43:20 PM
Most of that list only proves Dublin are the best team in Leinster which is irrelevant. The senior team are undoubtedly the best team in Ireland but the underage trend is not in their favour. Kerry are the growing force and importantly they are producing great young forwards. Dublin won't be languishing in division 3 anytime shortly but Kerry, at least, will be beating them soon.
Most of that list proves that Dublin have been dominating Leinster for the last 10 plus years and that they have got a strong foothold in dominating the National stage the last 6 years or so.
Kerry (at the moment) are no where near that!
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2017, 10:52:15 PM
Any teams named?
Kerry:
1. Brendan Kealy
2. Fionn Fitzgerald (C)
3. Mark Griffin
4. Ronan Shanahan
5. Peter Crowley
6. Tadhg Morley
7. Paul Murphy
8. David Moran
9. Anthony Maher
10. Jonathan Lyne
11. Michael Geaney
12. Donnchadh Walsh
13. Kevin McCarthy
14. Paul Geaney
15. Stephen O'Brien
Fir Ionaid:
16. Brian Kelly
17. Jack Barry
18. Barry John Keane
19. Jack Savage
20. Bryan Sheehan
21. Darran O'Sullivan
22. Adrian Spillane
23. Gavin Crowley
24. Denis Daly
25. Cathal Ó Lúing
26. Kieran Donaghy
27. Conor Keane
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
Well said Lar. Also the amount of underage amalgamations in Mayo is frightening. As mentioned by.others, a clear longterm programme has to be planned and well thought out.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 07, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 07, 2017, 10:52:15 PM
Any teams named?
Kerry:
1. Brendan Kealy
2. Fionn Fitzgerald (C)
3. Mark Griffin
4. Ronan Shanahan
5. Peter Crowley
6. Tadhg Morley
7. Paul Murphy
8. David Moran
9. Anthony Maher
10. Jonathan Lyne
11. Michael Geaney
12. Donnchadh Walsh
13. Kevin McCarthy
14. Paul Geaney
15. Stephen O'Brien
Fir Ionaid:
16. Brian Kelly
17. Jack Barry
18. Barry John Keane
19. Jack Savage
20. Bryan Sheehan
21. Darran O'Sullivan
22. Adrian Spillane
23. Gavin Crowley
24. Denis Daly
25. Cathal Ó Lúing
26. Kieran Donaghy
27. Conor Keane
Cheers
The (over) familiarity of a foregone conclusion it would seem, alas (the lack of hype), though I would hope that Kerry can actually put a decent shift in here, and maybe even nick it. Though they'll need to be 6 points or more ahead heading into the final ten minutes for that eventuality to actually materialise I'd say.
Not the Dubs' fault, that this monotony threatens, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be addressed.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
The Parish of Parke (also half of Turlough), The Parish of Keelogues (also half of Turlough and Ballyvary) and Crimlin (half parish of Parke). Name was Changed for just Parke which it was called up to lately. After a big row! The name came about to keep a lot of people happy and to stop players from Keelogues being Robbed by neighbouring Clubs!
The reality is that it is still known as Parke to everybody.
It will be a challenge for Kerry on Sunday no doubt but hopefully they will make a game of it d spite missing a few key players and some potentially good u21. Some of the comments on the the thread are very real but my experienc of living outside of kerry and Dublin is that , apart from Tyrone , Monaghan, Donegal and Kerry that teams (and interest amongst fans and clubs) has fallen away . outsiðe of Leinster (55 % of the population) amalgamations are fact of life so I would suggest focussing on the schools to develop interest in the game and skills in players. Really surprised recently to read that the number of clubs in Leinster outside of Dublin has dropped that for me is a big concern.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
Some very valid scary points, as for sure nothing will change in near term.
Digressing from football, but you have to wonder why Govt do not invest more in Knock (Ireland west) airport.
Not at all meant to be a politician comment but it would at least potentially stop the rot, by aiding both tourism and long term capital spending by corporations.
Btw, I think Dublin will win by at least 6. They should have won last years fixture by 12pts v a far better Kerry team.
Not convinced at all with the current new Kerry players.
James O Donouhgue also out.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2017, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
The Parish of Parke (also half of Turlough), The Parish of Keelogues (also half of Turlough and Ballyvary) and Crimlin (half parish of Parke). Name was Changed for just Parke which it was called up to lately. After a big row! The name came about to keep a lot of people happy and to stop players from Keelogues being Robbed by neighbouring Clubs!
The reality is that it is still known as Parke to everybody.
I know the craic alright.
I was addressing that at those who can see nothing wrong with Dublin's stranglehold on the game for now and forever. The whole goddamn lot may play as Parke but look at the area that once had three clubs and now has only one. Amalgamations left right and centre to try and keep the game alive.
As John Power says, the number of clubs in Leinster is dropping as well so what hope is there for Connacht and the other counties isolated counties? Population figures give a false impression of what the reality is.
Figures are skewed by the number of non-nationals coming to live in those counties. The actual population in the counties I have in mind may have increased somewhat, (apart from Mayo) but the fact is they are not GAA-oriented. Anyone know when the last rural club in rural counties was founded? Very few in cities and large towns but none I have heard of in country areas.
The probability is that things are going to get worse not better.
Quote from: joemamas on April 08, 2017, 01:55:23 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
Some very valid scary points, as for sure nothing will change in near term.
Digressing from football, but you have to wonder why Govt do not invest more in Knock (Ireland west) airport.
Not at all meant to be a politician comment but it would at least potentially stop the rot, by aiding both tourism and long term capital spending by corporations.
Btw, I think Dublin will win by at least 6. They should have won last years fixture by 12pts v a far better Kerry team.
Not convinced at all with the current new Kerry players.
James O Donouhgue also out.
I sure do and I got it from the horse's (aka Monsignor Horan) mouth. At the time we were talking, there was one Dáil seat at most in Mayo that could change hands at a General Election, whereas there were possibly three in Limerick/Clare that could go FF or FG if Knock was allowed to do anything that might take business from Shannon.
What time is throw in and is it on tele?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 08, 2017, 09:13:03 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 08, 2017, 07:58:57 AM
What time is throw in and is it on tele?
4pm on TG4.
Very thoughtful time for the handful of Kerry supporters going to the game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2017, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 08, 2017, 09:13:03 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 08, 2017, 07:58:57 AM
What time is throw in and is it on tele?
4pm on TG4.
Very thoughtful time for the handful of Kerry supporters going to the game.
At least the traffic won't be too heavy on the way home for the poor divileens. Unlike All Ireland final day, and the match only throws in half an hour earlier.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 02:11:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2017, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
The Parish of Parke (also half of Turlough), The Parish of Keelogues (also half of Turlough and Ballyvary) and Crimlin (half parish of Parke). Name was Changed for just Parke which it was called up to lately. After a big row! The name came about to keep a lot of people happy and to stop players from Keelogues being Robbed by neighbouring Clubs!
The reality is that it is still known as Parke to everybody.
I know the craic alright.
I was addressing that at those who can see nothing wrong with Dublin's stranglehold on the game for now and forever. The whole goddamn lot may play as Parke but look at the area that once had three clubs and now has only one. Amalgamations left right and centre to try and keep the game alive.
As John Power says, the number of clubs in Leinster is dropping as well so what hope is there for Connacht and the other counties isolated counties? Population figures give a false impression of what the reality is.
Figures are skewed by the number of non-nationals coming to live in those counties. The actual population in the counties I have in mind may have increased somewhat, (apart from Mayo) but the fact is they are not GAA-oriented. Anyone know when the last rural club in rural counties was founded? Very few in cities and large towns but none I have heard of in country areas.
The probability is that things are going to get worse not better.
The Dubs have a long term success rate of around 19% of all Irelands.
They won a higher percentage pre 1921
This team is dependent on 6 or 7 key players who won't be around forever.
On the economic front things are probably going to change soon because the system
doesn't work for the majority of people.
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 02:11:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2017, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
The Parish of Parke (also half of Turlough), The Parish of Keelogues (also half of Turlough and Ballyvary) and Crimlin (half parish of Parke). Name was Changed for just Parke which it was called up to lately. After a big row! The name came about to keep a lot of people happy and to stop players from Keelogues being Robbed by neighbouring Clubs!
The reality is that it is still known as Parke to everybody.
I know the craic alright.
I was addressing that at those who can see nothing wrong with Dublin's stranglehold on the game for now and forever. The whole goddamn lot may play as Parke but look at the area that once had three clubs and now has only one. Amalgamations left right and centre to try and keep the game alive.
As John Power says, the number of clubs in Leinster is dropping as well so what hope is there for Connacht and the other counties isolated counties? Population figures give a false impression of what the reality is.
Figures are skewed by the number of non-nationals coming to live in those counties. The actual population in the counties I have in mind may have increased somewhat, (apart from Mayo) but the fact is they are not GAA-oriented. Anyone know when the last rural club in rural counties was founded? Very few in cities and large towns but none I have heard of in country areas.
The probability is that things are going to get worse not better.
The Dubs have a long term success rate of around 19% of all Irelands.
They won a higher percentage pre 1921
This team is dependent on 6 or 7 key players who won't be around forever.
On the economic front things are probably going to change soon because the system
doesn't work for the majority of people.
Far from me bit it to fight with you but the facts don't support your argument.
The idea that when Berno and Clucko and Dermo and Flynner and the likes retire, the Dubs will drop back into the pack once more is wishful thinking at best and a sign that whoever belives that could do with a spell in a home for the bewildered.
What about McCaffrey, McCarthy, Fenton, Kilkenny, Costello, Small, Rock and all who are coming through in a never ending stream? Even if you could discount the fact that Dublin won't be going away any time soon, there's the little matter of finance involved. Nowadays, it takes more to prepare a team to win an All Ireland than it took to put Neil Armstrong on the moon. Mayo and Kerry and Tyrone or Donegal etc. won't be able to keep up the challenge year after year. They're bankrupting themselves as it is.
Statistics? Like Mark Twain said, there's lies, damn lies and statistics.
What happened fadó, fadó has no bearing on the present or future because of the changed social and economic conditions that prevail now. Besides, Dublin didn't have their Blue Wave initiative in operation until 2011.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 02:11:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2017, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
The Parish of Parke (also half of Turlough), The Parish of Keelogues (also half of Turlough and Ballyvary) and Crimlin (half parish of Parke). Name was Changed for just Parke which it was called up to lately. After a big row! The name came about to keep a lot of people happy and to stop players from Keelogues being Robbed by neighbouring Clubs!
The reality is that it is still known as Parke to everybody.
I know the craic alright.
I was addressing that at those who can see nothing wrong with Dublin's stranglehold on the game for now and forever. The whole goddamn lot may play as Parke but look at the area that once had three clubs and now has only one. Amalgamations left right and centre to try and keep the game alive.
As John Power says, the number of clubs in Leinster is dropping as well so what hope is there for Connacht and the other counties isolated counties? Population figures give a false impression of what the reality is.
Figures are skewed by the number of non-nationals coming to live in those counties. The actual population in the counties I have in mind may have increased somewhat, (apart from Mayo) but the fact is they are not GAA-oriented. Anyone know when the last rural club in rural counties was founded? Very few in cities and large towns but none I have heard of in country areas.
The probability is that things are going to get worse not better.
The Dubs have a long term success rate of around 19% of all Irelands.
They won a higher percentage pre 1921
This team is dependent on 6 or 7 key players who won't be around forever.
On the economic front things are probably going to change soon because the system
doesn't work for the majority of people.
Far from me bit it to fight with you but the facts don't support your argument.
The idea that when Berno and Clucko and Dermo and Flynner and the likes retire, the Dubs will drop back into the pack once more is wishful thinking at best and a sign that whoever belives that could do with a spell in a home for the bewildered.
What about McCaffrey, McCarthy, Fenton, Kilkenny, Costello, Small, Rock and all who are coming through in a never ending stream? Even if you could discount the fact that Dublin won't be going away any time soon, there's the little matter of finance involved. Nowadays, it takes more to prepare a team to win an All Ireland than it took to put Neil Armstrong on the moon. Mayo and Kerry and Tyrone or Donegal etc. won't be able to keep up the challenge year after year. They're bankrupting themselves as it is.
Statistics? Like Mark Twain said, there's lies, damn lies and statistics.
What happened fadó, fadó has no bearing on the present or future because of the changed social and economic conditions that prevail now. Besides, Dublin didn't have their Blue Wave initiative in operation until 2011.
Fadó, fadó is important because of how economic systems work. Now is most similar to the 1930s for example.
Mayo and Donegal might fall back but other counties will replace them.
Dublin's economic success is built on debt and speculation. Debt will probably be written off in the new system.
I dont think Jim Gavin will emulate Brian Cody either.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 08, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2017, 09:26:08 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 08, 2017, 09:13:03 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 08, 2017, 07:58:57 AM
What time is throw in and is it on tele?
4pm on TG4.
Very thoughtful time for the handful of Kerry supporters going to the game.
At least the traffic won't be too heavy on the way home for the poor divileens. Unlike All Ireland final day, and the match only throws in half an hour earlier.
4 hours (350km) one way to Dingle! The traffic wouldn't want to be heavy!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 02:11:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2017, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
The Parish of Parke (also half of Turlough), The Parish of Keelogues (also half of Turlough and Ballyvary) and Crimlin (half parish of Parke). Name was Changed for just Parke which it was called up to lately. After a big row! The name came about to keep a lot of people happy and to stop players from Keelogues being Robbed by neighbouring Clubs!
The reality is that it is still known as Parke to everybody.
I know the craic alright.
I was addressing that at those who can see nothing wrong with Dublin's stranglehold on the game for now and forever. The whole goddamn lot may play as Parke but look at the area that once had three clubs and now has only one. Amalgamations left right and centre to try and keep the game alive.
As John Power says, the number of clubs in Leinster is dropping as well so what hope is there for Connacht and the other counties isolated counties? Population figures give a false impression of what the reality is.
Figures are skewed by the number of non-nationals coming to live in those counties. The actual population in the counties I have in mind may have increased somewhat, (apart from Mayo) but the fact is they are not GAA-oriented. Anyone know when the last rural club in rural counties was founded? Very few in cities and large towns but none I have heard of in country areas.
The probability is that things are going to get worse not better.
The Dubs have a long term success rate of around 19% of all Irelands.
They won a higher percentage pre 1921
This team is dependent on 6 or 7 key players who won't be around forever.
On the economic front things are probably going to change soon because the system
doesn't work for the majority of people.
Far from me bit it to fight with you but the facts don't support your argument.
The idea that when Berno and Clucko and Dermo and Flynner and the likes retire, the Dubs will drop back into the pack once more is wishful thinking at best and a sign that whoever belives that could do with a spell in a home for the bewildered.
What about McCaffrey, McCarthy, Fenton, Kilkenny, Costello, Small, Rock and all who are coming through in a never ending stream? Even if you could discount the fact that Dublin won't be going away any time soon, there's the little matter of finance involved. Nowadays, it takes more to prepare a team to win an All Ireland than it took to put Neil Armstrong on the moon. Mayo and Kerry and Tyrone or Donegal etc. won't be able to keep up the challenge year after year. They're bankrupting themselves as it is.
Statistics? Like Mark Twain said, there's lies, damn lies and statistics.
What happened fadó, fadó has no bearing on the present or future because of the changed social and economic conditions that prevail now. Besides, Dublin didn't have their Blue Wave initiative in operation until 2011.
I don't agree with this. Flynn, Cluxton, Connolly and Brogan will be considered amongst the best if not the best players to have played their position. In the same way Tyrone have still produced very good footballers they haven't replaced the likes of O'Neill, Canavan, McGuigan, Dooher etc. with players of similar ability.
Kerry are producing more young players likely to be regarded as great players. Dublin have and will continue to produce very good to great players but they won't always have the truly great players they've have now. If Dublin had won the last three minor All Irelands it would be used as further evidence of Dublin's certain future dominance yet it seems it's not evidence of Kerry's future dominance. These young players will be (are) joining a panel with brilliant players like Moran, O'Donoghue, Geaney etc. so Kerry will match Dublin in the near future.
Mayo would have beaten this Dublin team already if they had better forwards. Kerry will shortly have enough of them to do it. Monaghan are a county the rest of the country would do well to take heed of. With a small population and limited resources they have established themselves as a top 6 team for a number of years. Why can't bigger, better resourced counties do better?
In saying that, I do appreciate the broader economic issues and population trends but I'm not sure what the GAA can do about that or how we can change our IC competitions to reflect those realities.
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2017, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 02:11:43 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2017, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 07, 2017, 11:15:48 PM
As I see it, the jackeens vs the culchies is all right for a bit of pub talk and some waffle on internet forums (fora?) but Dublin's dominance on the field right now isn't my biggest concern. I think Jim Gavin is a good manager and a very nice chap and he's only making the best of what he has at his disposal, as any manager worth his salt would do.
But there are socio-economic forces at work that will propel Dublin further and farther away from the chasing pack and that can't be good for Dublin and for the whole of culchie land.
Rural communities along the western seaboard are being decimated by the drift of people from the land to the towns and cities along the eastern coast. That's a fact of life and it's tearing the heart out of towns and villages in Mayo, Galway and every other with its arse to the Atlantic. Anyone who takes a walk around Ballinrobe or Kiltimagh or other small towns in Mayo on any night will find pubs shut down and shops that were shuttered a few years ago.
The arrival of multinational supermarkets on the scene has given the kibosh to small shops that served as social centres, just as blacksmiths' forges did in previous generations. THe GAA is in serious trouble, at least in the short to medium term as the young , fit and ambitious are packing up in greater numbers than ever before.
You have assloads of clubs in Dublin that have no room for new members while you have the likes of Parke-Keelouges- Crimlin trying to survive in Mayo. (Where did the three names come from? Go figure....)
Dublin can only get bigger and better and further ahead of the rest, there is no other logical alternative. But the percentage of the population of those who engage actively in GAA affairs is decreasing. I mentioned Erin's Isle before- a middling-sized club with a catchment area with the same population as County Cavan. One club to represent over 72,000 people! And that's only one example.
Not good for the future of the GAA.
Believe me, there may be is trouble ahead!
The Parish of Parke (also half of Turlough), The Parish of Keelogues (also half of Turlough and Ballyvary) and Crimlin (half parish of Parke). Name was Changed for just Parke which it was called up to lately. After a big row! The name came about to keep a lot of people happy and to stop players from Keelogues being Robbed by neighbouring Clubs!
The reality is that it is still known as Parke to everybody.
I know the craic alright.
I was addressing that at those who can see nothing wrong with Dublin's stranglehold on the game for now and forever. The whole goddamn lot may play as Parke but look at the area that once had three clubs and now has only one. Amalgamations left right and centre to try and keep the game alive.
As John Power says, the number of clubs in Leinster is dropping as well so what hope is there for Connacht and the other counties isolated counties? Population figures give a false impression of what the reality is.
Figures are skewed by the number of non-nationals coming to live in those counties. The actual population in the counties I have in mind may have increased somewhat, (apart from Mayo) but the fact is they are not GAA-oriented. Anyone know when the last rural club in rural counties was founded? Very few in cities and large towns but none I have heard of in country areas.
The probability is that things are going to get worse not better.
The Dubs have a long term success rate of around 19% of all Irelands.
They won a higher percentage pre 1921
This team is dependent on 6 or 7 key players who won't be around forever.
On the economic front things are probably going to change soon because the system
doesn't work for the majority of people.
Far from me bit it to fight with you but the facts don't support your argument.
The idea that when Berno and Clucko and Dermo and Flynner and the likes retire, the Dubs will drop back into the pack once more is wishful thinking at best and a sign that whoever belives that could do with a spell in a home for the bewildered.
What about McCaffrey, McCarthy, Fenton, Kilkenny, Costello, Small, Rock and all who are coming through in a never ending stream? Even if you could discount the fact that Dublin won't be going away any time soon, there's the little matter of finance involved. Nowadays, it takes more to prepare a team to win an All Ireland than it took to put Neil Armstrong on the moon. Mayo and Kerry and Tyrone or Donegal etc. won't be able to keep up the challenge year after year. They're bankrupting themselves as it is.
Statistics? Like Mark Twain said, there's lies, damn lies and statistics.
What happened fadó, fadó has no bearing on the present or future because of the changed social and economic conditions that prevail now. Besides, Dublin didn't have their Blue Wave initiative in operation until 2011.
I don't agree with this. Flynn, Cluxton, Connolly and Brogan will be considered amongst the best if not the best players to have played their position. In the same way Tyrone have still produced very good footballers they haven't replaced the likes of O'Neill, Canavan, McGuigan, Dooher etc. with players of similar ability.
Kerry are producing more young players likely to be regarded as great players. Dublin have and will continue to produce very good to great players but they won't always have the truly great players they've have now. If Dublin had won the last three minor All Irelands it would be used as further evidence of Dublin's certain future dominance yet it seems it's not evidence of Kerry's future dominance. These young players will be (are) joining a panel with brilliant players like Moran, O'Donoghue, Geaney etc. so Kerry will match Dublin in the near future.
Mayo would have beaten this Dublin team already if they had better forwards. Kerry will shortly have enough of them to do it. Monaghan are a county the rest of the country would do well to take heed of. With a small population and limited resources they have established themselves as a top 6 team for a number of years. Why can't bigger, better resourced counties do better?
In saying that, I do appreciate the broader economic issues and population trends but I'm not sure what the GAA can do about that or how we can change our IC competitions to reflect those realities.
As you know, I seldom disagree with you. ;D
I accept that there's a lot of merit in what you say but by no means everything. I have said many times that I think Jim Gavin is a decent sort and a very good manager and he is only doiing what any good manager would do. He and Dublin can't be blamed for issues outside their control. But there's nothinh whatever to suggest that Dublin are only dominant because they have a number of talented players- buckos that can't be replaced. The eviodence suggests otherwise. I gave a list of younger players who are coming through at present. Can you name a single one of them that wouldn't walk on to any other team in the country. Professionalism and Science have come together to insure that Dublin wille to the fore for the foreseeable future. Monaghan are indeed a good side but they won't be good enough to overtake Dublin because the don't have the money or the population needed to do so. LIke the other counties you mention they might beat Dublin once in a while as there is only so much a professional back up and a huge population can help. On the field it's 15 against 15 so Dublin cannot be sure of winning the AI year after year but they certainly are set to win most of them,
Population size determines the amount of money a sponsor is prepared to put up. It also means that players are very likely to live work/study and train without having to travel long distances going from one to another. I'd say no Dublin player has to travel more that ten miles to do just that. For Mayo lads, it a case of travelling around 1,000 km to get down home for training 3 times a week.It often means a load of them piling into a shared car, leaving Dublin around 3 or 4 pm and getting back 12 hours late. Remember the time PIllar Caffrey had early morning sessions for his squad?
What other county could do that!
Anyway, regardless of what Dublin may or may not do, the GAA is facing a crisis in rural Ireland. Rural depopulation is a big, big problem and it is going to get worse. That will impinge on the game in Dublin also. They need worthwhile competition to prosper. The top two teams in the land going toe to toe in the second most important competition in the land and very few will be bothered about the result. Unless the GAA as a whole takes note of what is happening, it's a case of going about re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Basically, we are all fecked. ;D
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Quote from: Zulu on April 07, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
Mayo raise huge cash abroad as well and Donegal have done so too. There have always been differences in playing and financial resources and while Dublin are an exception in financial and playing numbers, Kerry are not. If Kerry can produce players that can compete with Dublin and win All Irelands why can't others?
But the thing is they can't! Not at the moment!
Have Kerry not won the last 3 minor All Irelands? Sure Dublin haven't even made one since 2012. Kerry will be as strong if not stronger than Dublin in the next few years.
Dublin have won 7 of the last 9 under 21 Leinster titles!
Dublin have won 4 of the last 8 Leinster Minor titles!
Dublin have won 9 of the last 12 Leinster Club titles!
Dublin have won 11 of the last 12 Leinster Senior titles!
Dublin have won 2 of the last 4 Senior Club AIs!
Dublin have won a Minor AI in 2012.
Dublin won under 21 AI in 2010, 2012, 2014
Dublin senior team has won 4 of the last 6 AIs!
Dublin have won the last 4 National Leagues!
This is a Tsunami of titles! Look how well Dublin fared 10 years plus and you will see the Change!
It's frightening.
Kerry are emerging fast and hoovering up underage titles
Won last 3 minor All Irelands with practically 3 different group of players
4 Hogans Cups-St Brendans x2, Dingle x2
2 Junior All Irelands
Dr Crokes winning club All Ireland
dominant at intermediate and junior club level.
Odds on favourites to win u21 and minor titles this year
Lar, I don't disagree on the larger point regarding rural depopulation but the players you mentioned, like John Small and Dean Rock are good players rather than great players. Connolly, Cluxton, Flynn and Brogan will be in the conversation when they are picking the next centenary team. Dublin will be one of the top 3 or 4 teams for the foreseeable future but the idea that they'll be unbeatable is patently not true and Kerry are now dominating at nearly every level bar senior county so I see no reason why that won't transfer to senior in due course.
Kerry have embraced the challenge Dublin are posing, it's about time others did so too.
I think 13 different clubs are represented in Dublin's starting line-up.
That's before you get to Clontarf, Ballyboden, Whitehall etc. in the subs.
GAA said to be expecting around 40k tomorrow.
Wasn't it nearly a full house last year.
It seems people even from Dublin and Kerry are getting bored of it.
I won't even bother watching it myself.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 08, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
GAA said to be expecting around 40k tomorrow.
Wasn't it nearly a full house last year.
It seems people even from Dublin and Kerry are getting bored of it.
I won't even bother watching it myself.
1916 centenary commemoration rubbish was on last year. That being said there will be a terrible attendance from Kildare and presumably Galway for the D2 final, people are sick of Croke park double headers. Cavan and Tyrone would have brought bigger support last year.
40K would be a great crowd. Wasn't there a 1916 celebration show on last year as well?
On the finals themselves, Westmeath way too strong for Wexford who are playing a pretty terrible brand of football. They seem to have no outlet ahead to kick the ball into.
Kieran Martin is a great player to have in your full forward line. Great to make himself available but brilliant then to go at his marker which creates opportunities for himself and others to score. Westmeath look good, they have a few very good players.
Heslin, Sharry and Martin would make almost any team in the country.
Why are Louth playing in Tyrone jerseys?
I thought they wore red shirts.
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2017, 03:13:41 PM
Lar, I don't disagree on the larger point regarding rural depopulation but the players you mentioned, like John Small and Dean Rock are good players rather than great players. Connolly, Cluxton, Flynn and Brogan will be in the conversation when they are picking the next centenary team. Dublin will be one of the top 3 or 4 teams for the foreseeable future but the idea that they'll be unbeatable is patently not true and Kerry are now dominating at nearly every level bar senior county so I see no reason why that won't transfer to senior in due course.
Kerry have embraced the challenge Dublin are posing, it's about time others did so too.
I don't buy the 1000 year Dub reich theory. In the last 5 championships the Dubs won the same number of finals that Mayo lost. Mayo should have won at least one.
Poor stuff so far in the division 3 final.
Well moving on from the Mayo are the shite be rural depopulation argument, on the actual game tomorrow I like the new look Kerry half back line. Much more speed and atheletesicm than in the past few years. If they can get a good performance out of Mike Geaney and Lyne in the half forwards maybe they found sneak it by a point of two??
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2017, 03:13:41 PM
Lar, I don't disagree on the larger point regarding rural depopulation but the players you mentioned, like John Small and Dean Rock are good players rather than great players. Connolly, Cluxton, Flynn and Brogan will be in the conversation when they are picking the next centenary team. Dublin will be one of the top 3 or 4 teams for the foreseeable future but the idea that they'll be unbeatable is patently not true and Kerry are now dominating at nearly every level bar senior county so I see no reason why that won't transfer to senior in due course.
Kerry have embraced the challenge Dublin are posing, it's about time others did so too.
Pretty harsh on Mayo & Donegal, Zulu with your constant reference to Kerry being then only county to embrace the challenge of Dublin. Mayo and Donegal have beaten this Dublin team in the championship since 2011 whereas Kerry haven't!! Also Mayo at U21 and Donegal at minor have beaten Dublin in All Ireland semi finals in the not too distant past. Kerry are showing the greatest potential with their minors but they still haven't challenged the Dubs yet but maybe that all changes tomorrow!!
Sorry Crete Boom, you're right and that wasn't really what I was trying to say. Mayo, Donegal and a few others have taken up the challenge but must continue to do so and not focus on Dublin. Croke Park will always be based in Dublin, they'll always have the biggest population and greatest potential for generating money however, they won't always develop once in a generation players so big counties like Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Kildare, Meath etc. can expect to challenge and win if they continue to do things correctly. Kerry are currently proof of that as they are now developing more of the best young players in Ireland.
What's the point of playing the division 3,4 finals in a empty Croke park?. A double header in somewhere like Tullamore would make more sense.
Division 3 final has picked up a bit and there are some great scores but it's still not a good game IMO. Conceding the kickout and carrying the ball the length of the field just isn't great to watch.
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2017, 03:13:41 PM
Lar, I don't disagree on the larger point regarding rural depopulation but the players you mentioned, like John Small and Dean Rock are good players rather than great players. Connolly, Cluxton, Flynn and Brogan will be in the conversation when they are picking the next centenary team. Dublin will be one of the top 3 or 4 teams for the foreseeable future but the idea that they'll be unbeatable is patently not true and Kerry are now dominating at nearly every level bar senior county so I see no reason why that won't transfer to senior in due course.
Kerry have embraced the challenge Dublin are posing, it's about time others did so too.
Yeah, I'd accept what you say about Rock and Small but Dublin are better placed to produce good young players than any other county because of the professional set up they have.
I don't and never did say that Dublin will always win everything in sight as I have said numerous times, on the field its 15 against 15 and other counties could well beat them on any given day. But over the course of, say, a decade, Dublin is odds on to win more than any other county.
Also, don't forget that most of the team that were humiliated by Meath in 2010 went on to win the AI in the following year and several more since.
That defeat stung the Dublin county board into action and the result, as the fella said, is history.
THe problem for me is that we no longer have an amatuer ethos at least where the more high profile counties are concerned and Dublin leads the way here.
Now, as you say Kerry have taken up the Dublin challenge, or have they?
Why is the outcome of the league final attracting so little interest?
Kerry are doing very well at all grade below senior inter county and despite the disparity in resources, you'd still expect their seniors to lead the challenge to Dublin most years.
But there are a few significant differences between success at underage and success at senior level. First and foremost is the issue of money. To gain success at senior level costs millions with more psychos, physios, doctors, masseurs, specialist coaches, psychologists and I'd say in Dublin's case at least one psychiatrist, and God knows who else.
Spending on underage grades is a different matter entirely. A team can be well-prepared at that level without having to spend a fortune that most counties don't have.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 05:45:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2017, 03:13:41 PM
Lar, I don't disagree on the larger point regarding rural depopulation but the players you mentioned, like John Small and Dean Rock are good players rather than great players. Connolly, Cluxton, Flynn and Brogan will be in the conversation when they are picking the next centenary team. Dublin will be one of the top 3 or 4 teams for the foreseeable future but the idea that they'll be unbeatable is patently not true and Kerry are now dominating at nearly every level bar senior county so I see no reason why that won't transfer to senior in due course.
Kerry have embraced the challenge Dublin are posing, it's about time others did so too.
Yeah, I'd accept what you say about Rock and Small but Dublin are better placed to produce good young players than any other county because of the professional set up they have.
I don't and never did say that Dublin will always win everything in sight as I have said numerous times, on the field its 15 against 15 and other counties could well beat them on any given day. But over the course of, say, a decade, Dublin is odds on to win more than any other county.
Also, don't forget that most of the team that were humiliated by Meath in 2010 went on to win the AI in the following year and several more since.
That defeat stung the Dublin county board into action and the result, as the fella said, is history.
THe problem for me is that we no longer have an amatuer ethos at least where the more high profile counties are concerned and Dublin leads the way here.
Now, as you say Kerry have taken up the Dublin challenge, or have they?
Why is the outcome of the league final attracting so little interest?
Kerry are doing very well at all grade below senior inter county and despite the disparity in resources, you'd still expect their seniors to lead the challenge to Dublin most years.
But there are a few significant differences between success at underage and success at senior level. First and foremost is the issue of money. To gain success at senior level costs millions with more psychos, physios, doctors, masseurs, specialist coaches, psychologists and I'd say in Dublin's case at least one psychiatrist, and God knows who else.
Spending on underage grades is a different matter entirely. A team can be well-prepared at that level without having to spend a fortune that most counties don't have.
Lar
The Dubs were banging on the door for a long time before 2011.
Winning begets winning and they managed the team well.
But they have only won 4 all Irelands in 20 years, 3 less than Kerry
It's up to the other teams to beat them
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2017, 05:40:34 PM
Sorry Crete Boom, you're right and that wasn't really what I was trying to say. Mayo, Donegal and a few others have taken up the challenge but must continue to do so and not focus on Dublin. Croke Park will always be based in Dublin, they'll always have the biggest population and greatest potential for generating money however, they won't always develop once in a generation players so big counties like Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Kildare, Meath etc. can expect to challenge and win if they continue to do things correctly. Kerry are currently proof of that as they are now developing more of the best young players in Ireland.
I totally agree Zulu. Now if only they could sort the championship structure and fixture list we would be on the pig's back!! ;D ;D
I'd accept all that Lar but I think Kerry have enough money to fund the development of good minors into good seniors. Money of course is important but while things like Aer Lingus or some clothes company becoming official partners of Dublin GAA it won't impact upon the ability to play. As long as Mayo, Kerry etc. can afford a good medical staff, good S&C experts etc. then they'll be fine.
Ireland and New Zealand are examples of countries with less resources competing well in rugby. The Dallas Cowboys are proof money and resources doesn't always triumph.
I guess what I'm saying is that Dublin is Dublin and we can either shrug our shoulders and complain about things we can't change or we can try our best and enjoy the times when other counties can match them. I think that will be more often than not though I fully accept Dublin will win significantly more in the next 50 years than they won in the last.
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 08, 2017, 06:01:02 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2017, 05:40:34 PM
Sorry Crete Boom, you're right and that wasn't really what I was trying to say. Mayo, Donegal and a few others have taken up the challenge but must continue to do so and not focus on Dublin. Croke Park will always be based in Dublin, they'll always have the biggest population and greatest potential for generating money however, they won't always develop once in a generation players so big counties like Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, Kildare, Meath etc. can expect to challenge and win if they continue to do things correctly. Kerry are currently proof of that as they are now developing more of the best young players in Ireland.
I totally agree Zulu. Now if only they could sort the championship structure and fixture list we would be on the pig's back!! ;D ;D
Ah here Crete Boom don't encourage me to get on that high horse again!!
Quinlivan and Sweeney are having an average day(by their standards) in front of the posts today!!
I wonder will Jack Kennedy play football or hurling this summer??
Louth making a fightback, only 4 in it now
Why aren't they pushing up man on man for the Tipp kickouts though? There's nothing to lose now so don't let Tipp have easy possession and eat up the clock working it out.
I don't know Zulu cause they have competed well when Tipp have gone long!! Jesus Liam McGrath is a great sub to be able to bring on!!
Well that's that. Tipp will be a tough nut for a lot of teams come the summer. Not sure about Louth, it's the first time I've seen them and while they've some good footballers I'm not sure they're capable of challenging division one or two teams.
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 08, 2017, 06:17:16 PM
Quinlivan and Sweeney are having an average day(by their standards) in front of the posts today!!
I wonder will Jack Kennedy play football or hurling this summer??
Having watched jack Kennedy closely last week and loosely today I hope he's a better hurler than he is footballer. However, the main quality he lacked playing football is, I would imagine, a major stumbling block to being an intercounty hurler as well...
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 08, 2017, 07:16:35 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 08, 2017, 06:17:16 PM
Quinlivan and Sweeney are having an average day(by their standards) in front of the posts today!!
I wonder will Jack Kennedy play football or hurling this summer??
Having watched jack Kennedy closely last week and loosely today I hope he's a better hurler than he is footballer. However, the main quality he lacked playing football is, I would imagine, a major stumbling block to being an intercounty hurler as well...
Do you mean pace as in a lack of?
Hard to read anything out of those league finals today. Both games lacked intensity they were challenge like contests in truth.
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 08, 2017, 07:30:21 PM
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Quote from: Crete Boom on April 08, 2017, 06:17:16 PM
Quinlivan and Sweeney are having an average day(by their standards) in front of the posts today!!
I wonder will Jack Kennedy play football or hurling this summer??
Having watched jack Kennedy closely last week and loosely today I hope he's a better hurler than he is footballer. However, the main quality he lacked playing football is, I would imagine, a major stumbling block to being an intercounty hurler as well...
Do you mean pace as in a lack of?
Intestinal fortitude
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Quote from: Crete Boom on April 08, 2017, 07:30:21 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 08, 2017, 07:16:35 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 08, 2017, 06:17:16 PM
Quinlivan and Sweeney are having an average day(by their standards) in front of the posts today!!
I wonder will Jack Kennedy play football or hurling this summer??
Having watched jack Kennedy closely last week and loosely today I hope he's a better hurler than he is footballer. However, the main quality he lacked playing football is, I would imagine, a major stumbling block to being an intercounty hurler as well...
Do you mean pace as in a lack of?
Intestinal fortitude
Ah yeah I hear yeah!! Didn't notice that myself but I haven't seen him up close like you have.
He wouldn't be the first Tipp hurler to have a deficit in intestinal fortitude though!!
Ye are calling a 19 or 20 year old lad out for guts? Fair play to ye. Heroes both.
Are you citing age as mitigation?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2017, 09:00:03 PM
Ye are calling a 19 or 20 year old lad out for guts? Fair play to ye. Heroes both.
I think you read what I posted again. Plenty on here have constantly questions the guts of players of my own county , so case they could be right , some cases they were wrong but I don't take it personal and I am sure Jack Kennedy couldn't give a shite what I think today to be honest.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 08, 2017, 05:45:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2017, 03:13:41 PM
Lar, I don't disagree on the larger point regarding rural depopulation but the players you mentioned, like John Small and Dean Rock are good players rather than great players. Connolly, Cluxton, Flynn and Brogan will be in the conversation when they are picking the next centenary team. Dublin will be one of the top 3 or 4 teams for the foreseeable future but the idea that they'll be unbeatable is patently not true and Kerry are now dominating at nearly every level bar senior county so I see no reason why that won't transfer to senior in due course.
Kerry have embraced the challenge Dublin are posing, it's about time others did so too.
Yeah, I'd accept what you say about Rock and Small but Dublin are better placed to produce good young players than any other county because of the professional set up they have.
I don't and never did say that Dublin will always win everything in sight as I have said numerous times, on the field its 15 against 15 and other counties could well beat them on any given day. But over the course of, say, a decade, Dublin is odds on to win more than any other county.
Also, don't forget that most of the team that were humiliated by Meath in 2010 went on to win the AI in the following year and several more since.
That defeat stung the Dublin county board into action and the result, as the fella said, is history.
THe problem for me is that we no longer have an amatuer ethos at least where the more high profile counties are concerned and Dublin leads the way here.
Now, as you say Kerry have taken up the Dublin challenge, or have they?
Why is the outcome of the league final attracting so little interest?
Kerry are doing very well at all grade below senior inter county and despite the disparity in resources, you'd still expect their seniors to lead the challenge to Dublin most years.
But there are a few significant differences between success at underage and success at senior level. First and foremost is the issue of money. To gain success at senior level costs millions with more psychos, physios, doctors, masseurs, specialist coaches, psychologists and I'd say in Dublin's case at least one psychiatrist, and God knows who else.
Spending on underage grades is a different matter entirely. A team can be well-prepared at that level without having to spend a fortune that most counties don't have.
Lar
The Dubs were banging on the door for a long time before 2011.
Winning begets winning and they managed the team well.
But they have only won 4 all Irelands in 20 years, 3 less than Kerry
It's up to the other teams to beat them
Maybe you should read this piece by Alan Brogan (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-meath-humiliation-in-2010-was-the-turning-point-for-dublin-34828103.html) It's his take on the humiliation Dublin suffered at the hands of Meath in 2010 and of county board's determination not to let this sort of thing happen again. The key point is that it took a conscious decision by the county board to put football in the county on an organised standard. Hence you had the Blue Flag initiative and this is something no other county will ever be able to achieve. Sure Dublin may only have won 4 All Irelands in the last twenty years but the crucial point is that all four came when the county board took action to maximise Dublin's potential. They won four of the last five which gives a different slant to things.
You appear to think that the events of fadó, fadó have a bearing on what's happening anois, anois.
Okay here are two statements and one's a doubler. Tell me which one has more pertinence at the present time.
1. Fadó,fadó, Mayo once had more people than Dublin
2A. Anois, anois Dublin has a bigger population than twice the combined total of the counties of Connacht.
2B. The population of Dublin is as great as that of 21 other counties combined.
Fair dues to the Dublin Supporters, they seem to have traveled in great numbers! :P
This is more like it.
Soft frees to the Dubs.
Should that have been pulled back there when Cluxton grabbed a ball from behind the goal rather than wait for the kerry player to give the ball back? Didn't make any difference but just wondering
Connolly losing the rag here. Be better taking him off.
Dublin will hardly be beat this year either looking at it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2017, 04:35:54 PM
Connolly losing the rag here. Be better taking him off.
Dublin will hardly be beat this year either looking at it.
Black carded...
Connolly back to being a looper no team can rely on.
Best footballer in Ireland my arse.
That's the dumbest black card I've ever seen in my life.
What was he at.
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2017, 04:36:44 PM
Connolly back to being a looper no team can rely on.
Best footballer in Ireland my arse.
Leopard never changes his spots.
Poor Connolly, targeted again
Walsh is some tr**p
Walsh?
Walsh was lucky there. Could easily interpret that as a strike to the head.
For all the problems with the black card, and there are many, it has been put to good use in the first half for two challenges that deserved what they got.
Ref doing well here.
Needs to keep a firm grip on proceedings.
the boy goading connolly was not walsh.
Also mccarthy actually lifted hand first there
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 04:40:21 PM
Ref doing well here.
Needs to keep a firm grip on proceedings.
Up Ros.
I'm sure the Dublin media will be crying about something the ref did in the morning even if they end up hammering Kerry.
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Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 04:40:21 PM
Ref doing well here.
Needs to keep a firm grip on proceedings.
Up Ros.
I'm sure the Dublin media will be crying about something the ref did in the morning even if they end up hammering Kerry.
The best first half against Dublin and Kerry in Croke Park a Roscommon man has had in awhile.
That was very good. Didn't see what Connolly did for his black but some great scores, proper defending and good intensity.
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
That was very good. Didn't see what Connolly did for his black but some great scores, proper defending and good intensity.
The worrying thing from a dublin perspective would be that was some young kerry guy goading him into that. The fella just never learns.
Mccarthy got a sly enough dig in there.
Good game so far. Get the feeling Kerry could do with an early goal this half or the Dubs might pull away. Super point by Kilkenny just before halftime.
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
That was very good. Didn't see what Connolly did for his black but some great scores, proper defending and good intensity.
Pulled his marker by the back of his neck to ground. Real brainless moment from Connolly. If a national final between Kerry Dublin didn't have good intensity the game would be fecked altogether.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 04:40:21 PM
Ref doing well here.
Needs to keep a firm grip on proceedings.
That dope Bernard Flynn said Conollys card was not justified. What a Fffiinn clown.
Martin Clarke absolutely slating the (Down) linesman , saying he Brannigan wanted his moment in the spotlight. Then whined about he got a double yellow in his last game in coke park. Poor lad.
Is clarke a bollocks, don't know shag all about him.
Pathetic comments all the same. he obviously has some beef with him, Brannigan, but don't be asshole and air your chip on your shoulder on national radio, at half time in an excellent game.
Back to the game, really enjoying it,
Shocked how Flynn is still on, Brogan to a lesser tent, Fenton non existant, other Dublin midfielder carrying the load big time.
Mr Brannigan has form in regard to seeking spotlight does he dye his hair by any chance used to be ginger now its more blonde.
It's the nature of the GAA, that if an official you don't like makes the right decision, you're required to convince yourself it was the wrong decision.
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Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
That was very good. Didn't see what Connolly did for his black but some great scores, proper defending and good intensity.
Pulled his marker by the back of his neck to ground. Real brainless moment from Connolly. If a national final between Kerry Dublin didn't have good intensity the game would be fecked altogether.
Unfortunately there's been plenty of league finals which haven't been so I'm quite happy with what we've seen in the first half. Hopefully Kerry can stay in touch.
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Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
That was very good. Didn't see what Connolly did for his black but some great scores, proper defending and good intensity.
Pulled his marker by the back of his neck to ground. Real brainless moment from Connolly. If a national final between Kerry Dublin didn't have good intensity the game would be fecked altogether.
Unfortunately there's been plenty of league finals which haven't been so I'm quite happy with what we've seen in the first half. Hopefully Kerry can stay in touch.
Don't worry Zulu, they won't last the pace with ye.
Is James O'Donoghue on the bench?
How was that a yellow for Fenton instead of a black?? :o
Well done ref, bring it up.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:08:32 PM
Is James O'Donoghue on the bench?
He wasn't named on the bench during the week.
Ref not afraid to penalise the Dubs here.
What did Cluxton do to get the yellow?
If he went after the ref at half-time, that would explain a lot. ;)
McMahon lucky.
Have Dublin forgotten how to tackle without fouling?
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Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
That was very good. Didn't see what Connolly did for his black but some great scores, proper defending and good intensity.
Pulled his marker by the back of his neck to ground. Real brainless moment from Connolly. If a national final between Kerry Dublin didn't have good intensity the game would be fecked altogether.
Unfortunately there's been plenty of league finals which haven't been so I'm quite happy with what we've seen in the first half. Hopefully Kerry can stay in touch.
Don't worry Zulu, they won't last the pace with ye.
Get yer money on Kerry now lads Syferus has given the Dubs the kiss of death.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:14:56 PM
Ref not afraid to penalise the Dubs here.
What did Cluxton do to get the yellow?
If he went after the ref at half-time, that would explain a lot. ;)
Queue the it woz the ref what did us in headlines tommorow..
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 05:15:20 PM
Have Dublin forgotten how to tackle without fouling?
Philly McMahon is very fond of going in with the closed fist, and he's not too worried where it lands either.
Geaney is class.
Dubs' discipline and shape collapses...
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 09, 2017, 05:15:20 PM
Have Dublin forgotten how to tackle without fouling?
It's refreshing to see a ref give frees for the many fouls Dublin can normally get away with. Kerry well up for this game and are full value for their 5 point lead so far.
Super point from mannion. Dubs not gone yet
Some game now.
Punch in the stomach. Red card. Oh wait... it was a Dub, no foul.
Kerry nearly got the onion bag there, that would have made it interesting.
That double goal save could be a huge moment in the game.
Hmmm... dunno about that block.
Foot block??
McCarthy could have had 2 straight reds in this game.
Great defending from mcmahon, Kerry missed the 45 too. And another wide from kerry. Could rue those
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 05:17:19 PM
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Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
That was very good. Didn't see what Connolly did for his black but some great scores, proper defending and good intensity.
Pulled his marker by the back of his neck to ground. Real brainless moment from Connolly. If a national final between Kerry Dublin didn't have good intensity the game would be fecked altogether.
Unfortunately there's been plenty of league finals which haven't been so I'm quite happy with what we've seen in the first half. Hopefully Kerry can stay in touch.
Don't worry Zulu, they won't last the pace with ye.
Get yer money on Kerry now lads Syferus has given the Dubs the kiss of death.
Lol
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2017, 05:27:26 PM
Foot block??
Don't think so, ball hadn't been kicked.
Dublin goal!!
And just like that a Dublin goal!
Kerry will rue the last 5 mins.
Should have pulled away.
As I was saying, Kerry needed a 6 point lead heading into the final 10 ( hope I'm wrong though ;) ).
Jesus that was no free.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:29:23 PM
Kerry will rue the last 5 mins.
Should have pulled away.
Yes will have only themselves to blame if they don't win this game.
What was the keeper at there?
Bryan Sheehan on.
Suddenly any free within 70 yards is kickable.
Some attempt at a kick there from mdma ;D
Quote from: clarshack on April 09, 2017, 05:27:31 PM
McCarthy could have had 2 straight reds in this game.
Haha....he took Vaughan clean out of it in the AIF replay, and I dont think he even got a yellow. Vaughan didnt make it out for second half. During the same sequesnce mysteriously Tom Parsons ended up needing 7 stitches over his eye...again not as much as a yellow
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Bryan Sheehan on.
Suddenly any free within 70 yards is kickable.
..and Kerry are down to 14 men.
That was a penalty.
Quote from: joemamas on April 09, 2017, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 04:40:21 PM
Ref doing well here.
Needs to keep a firm grip on proceedings.
That dope Bernard Flynn said Conollys card was not justified. What a Fffiinn clown.
Martin Clarke absolutely slating the (Down) linesman , saying he Brannigan wanted his moment in the spotlight. Then whined about he got a double yellow in his last game in coke park. Poor lad.
Is clarke a bollocks, don't know shag all about him.
Pathetic comments all the same. he obviously has some beef with him, Brannigan, but don't be asshole and air your chip on your shoulder on national radio, at half time in an excellent game.
TG4 reckoned Connolly could have got a red.
/Jim.
What a score from Moran!!
When they go over, it's probably your day.
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 05:36:05 PM
That was a penalty.
Think it probably was alright.
Moran is a force of nature!
Kevin McManamon with a goal to win this now would be priceless. ;D
They could win it with points yet...
The Kerry goalie is all over the place.
Maher with the Pateen Donnellan there.
Cluxton again...
Who said kerry were cynical too :D
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2017, 05:35:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Bryan Sheehan on.
Suddenly any free within 70 yards is kickable.
..and Kerry are down to 14 men.
;D
You never disappoint.
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Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2017, 05:35:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Bryan Sheehan on.
Suddenly any free within 70 yards is kickable.
..and Kerry are down to 14 men.
;D
You never disappoint.
The polar opposite of Mayo.
Great game.
You can forget about Anthony Maher as a man.
Why didn't Cluxton not come down!!
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The Kerry goalie is all over the place.
Couple of head staggers there alright
Enjoyable 2nd half. Ref was all over the place
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Cluxton again...
Who said kerry were cynical too :D
He should have taken it. Rock doesn't have the temperament for a kick like that
Fair play to Kerry for continuing to attack and not trying to protect the lead.
You can't sit back when you have a lead against the Dubs.
Great stuff from both teams.
Kerry wanted it more but losing the unbeaten run in a final in Croke Park will hurt Dublin (more than they let on).
Great game and Kerry prove it can be done.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2017, 05:44:22 PM
You can forget about Anthony Maher as a man.
He was likely watching the clip from the Tipp-Armagh game.
Well done Kerry, the Crossmaglen Rangers of the inter-county game.
Shades of 1975 again with Mickos babes?
Presumably Joe Brolly will want a rule change again?
Great game well done Kerry.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 09, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
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Cluxton again...
Who said kerry were cynical too :D
He should have taken it. Rock doesn't have the temperament for a kick like that
He nailed one from further out against Tyrone to preserve the record earlier in the league.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 09, 2017, 05:37:31 PM
Moran is a force of nature!
And an absolute top guy.
What a super game.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 09, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Cluxton again...
Who said kerry were cynical too :D
He should have taken it. Rock doesn't have the temperament for a kick like that
More a question of distance than temperament, I think.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on April 09, 2017, 05:46:36 PM
Presumably Joe Brolly will want a rule change again?
For,the one millionth time. The black card was already voted in the previous congress when Brolly went on his rant at Cavanagh.
Get in! The long trip home will be shortened with smiles on our face. Fair Dues to Maher for taking the Black at the end. Stopped a sure score. Black card still helps the cheaters!
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:45:07 PM
Fair play to Kerry for continuing to attack and not trying to protect the lead.
You can't sit back when you have a lead against the Dubs.
Great stuff from both teams.
Kerry wanted it more but losing the unbeaten run in a final in Croke Park will hurt Dublin (more than they let on).
Forewarned is forearmed. Losing today probably makes it more unlikely they'll lose when the real stuff gets underway. The dressing room wall was getting a bit bare of motivational material when they were targeting referees before matches..
Quote from: StGallsGAA on April 09, 2017, 05:46:36 PM
Presumably Joe Brolly will want a rule change again?
Why? Did an Ulster team (or Tyrone) win something?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on April 09, 2017, 05:40:48 PM
The Kerry goalie is all over the place.
Couple of head staggers there alright
Enjoyable 2nd half. Ref was all over the place
Think he is a ref with potential . Big game for him tiday . At least he was better than last time i saw him
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 09, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Cluxton again...
Who said kerry were cynical too :D
He should have taken it. Rock doesn't have the temperament for a kick like that
Did it hit post, camera shot was behind Goal no replay
More a question of distance than temperament, I think.
The ref had a good game.
Somebody has to lose every game.
It isn't always because of the ref.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 09, 2017, 05:46:21 PM
Shades of 1975 again with Mickos babes?
It is notable that a team can have the Gooch retire, Donaghy on the bench etc and still push on. Some done, more to do.
Add a fit O'Donoghue into the mix as well.
Free to o Sullivan was bigmistake
However he did not under any circumstances cost Dublin the game
Great win, but lots of mistakes and missed chances by Kerry to improve on.
Last 5 times Kerry won the league they went on to win the All-Ireland so hopefully that trend will continue.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:53:20 PM
Add a fit O'Donoghue into the mix as well.
What is the story with him ? Hasn't been fit for a long time.
Still expect dubs to win but this probably mean kerry will go to number 2.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2017, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 09, 2017, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 09, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Cluxton again...
Who said kerry were cynical too :D
He should have taken it. Rock doesn't have the temperament for a kick like that
He nailed one from further out against Tyrone to preserve the record earlier in the league.
The one that wasn't even a foul you'll agree? Hard enough playing youse v 15 never mind 16!
Great game/final credit to what is the two best sides in the country. Kerry fully deserved their win but I don't think the margin of victory do them justice. Dublin have sailed close to the wind on a number of occasions this year and were eventually caught today. They probably avoid Kerry now until the All Ireland final and that should give them the time to regroup and get over todays defeat.
54K at it too. Time to stop the moaning about the Dubs and follow Kerry's lead. When played by teams wanting to beat each other there's still no game to match football.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 09, 2017, 05:37:31 PM
Moran is a force of nature!
In todays "modern" football it was great to see a old fashioned traditional midfielder produce a man of the match performance.
Great game of football.
Probably no harm for the Dubs to lose the unbeaten record although they probably would have preferred if it was last week than today. Otherwise it would be mentioned before every single game this Summer. Not to mention it gives them a chip on the shoulder now for the rest of the year. Nothing like seeing another team pick up a trophy in front if you to focus the minds again.
Great game. Now I can go back to the Resevoir Dubs site again :)
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 06:02:15 PM
54K at it too. Time to stop the moaning about the Dubs and follow Kerry's lead. When played by teams wanting to beat each other there's still no game to match football.
Dublin have had their fill of it from Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Kerry (x2) this spring. Kerry had that bit of class and luck that got them over the line today, I think Dublin are having some bother with their inside line at the minute. Brogan is 33, Andrews is badly out of form and looks too heavy, Mannion is very erratic so it leaves us with an interesting summer ahead.
Going to have to split Kerry if we're to get that complete Dublin domination everyone keeps banging on about.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2017, 06:15:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 06:02:15 PM
54K at it too. Time to stop the moaning about the Dubs and follow Kerry's lead. When played by teams wanting to beat each other there's still no game to match football.
Dublin have had their fill of it from Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Kerry (x2) this spring. Kerry had that bit of class and luck that got them over the line today, I think Dublin are having some bother with their inside line at the minute. Brogan is 33, Andrews is badly out of form and looks too heavy, Mannion is very erratic so it leaves us with an interesting summer ahead.
He was brilliant today.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on April 09, 2017, 06:15:44 PM
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2017, 06:02:15 PM
54K at it too. Time to stop the moaning about the Dubs and follow Kerry's lead. When played by teams wanting to beat each other there's still no game to match football.
Dublin have had their fill of it from Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal and Kerry (x2) this spring. Kerry had that bit of class and luck that got them over the line today, I think Dublin are having some bother with their inside line at the minute. Brogan is 33, Andrews is badly out of form and looks too heavy, Mannion is very erratic so it leaves us with an interesting summer ahead.
He was brilliant today.
Agree, he almost rescued the game for them.
How in the world did Jim Gavin and his backroom/stats team of 20 etc keep Flynn on for 60 minutes
He could have been taken off after 20,
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Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Bryan Sheehan on.
Suddenly any free within 70 yards is kickable.
..and Kerry are down to 14 men.
;D
You never disappoint.
The polar opposite of Mayo.
Great game.
Another perfect zero for Syfīn in the prediction stakes.
Told stolen-sheep the Dublin would once more hockey Kerry :-[
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Quote from: armaghniac on April 09, 2017, 05:37:31 PM
Moran is a force of nature!
In todays "modern" football it was great to see a old fashioned traditional midfielder produce a man of the match performance.
He was absolutely brilliant today. That score into the Canal end under serious pressure was something else. Griffin I thought was immense as well, some derv in his tank
yes also thought Griffen was very good today.Took the game to Dublin .
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Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2017, 05:35:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Bryan Sheehan on.
Suddenly any free within 70 yards is kickable.
..and Kerry are down to 14 men.
;D
You never disappoint.
The polar opposite of Mayo.
Great game.
Another perfect zero for Syfīn in the prediction stakes.
Told stolen-sheep the Dublin would once more hockey Kerry :-[
I hope you bothered watching the game today Rossfan.
Ag obair Farr.
Congratulations and well done Kerry. It looks like Dublin's much predicted One Thousand Year Reich will not now come to pass.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 09, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
Congratulations and well done Kerry. It looks like Dublin's much predicted One Thousand Year Reich will not now come to pass.
Because of today? Dublin are still 6/4 to win the AI! Hardly the end of an era odds?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 09, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
Congratulations and well done Kerry. It looks like Dublin's much predicted One Thousand Year Reich will not now come to pass.
Even the Roman Empire lost the odd legion, but still lasted 500 years.
The barbarians came out on top in the end though.
A great game between two excellent teams .
Was expecting however a few pages of vitriol for Anthony Maher doing a "Cavanagh". Is that tumbleweed I see?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 09:36:49 PM
The barbarians came out on top in the end though.
So Meath will be taking over ??
Once we take back Gaul.
Brilliant game to finish a really exciting league
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 09, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
Congratulations and well done Kerry. It looks like Dublin's much predicted One Thousand Year Reich will not now come to pass.
Ya wha. Connolly had a meltdown and yer backs seemed to be getting tips from ours today and yet ye had a kick to draw the game..
I don't think the Fenton incident was a black card now that I've seen it properly.
Both refs did well today, good to see new blood coming through.
Did that last free come off the post?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 09, 2017, 10:16:41 PM
I don't think the Fenton incident was a black card now that I've seen it properly.
Both refs did well today, good to see new blood coming through.
Haven't seen the replays but if it was a card then surely it was a black?
Not sure it was a card of any colour tbh.
Possibly not but I bet if Connolly hadn't already gone, it would have been black
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 09, 2017, 10:17:12 PM
Did that last free come off the post?
Yes - it came off the post.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on April 09, 2017, 10:17:12 PM
Did that last free come off the post?
Yes - it came off the post.
A game of inches I suppose
And yes Maher made sure the ball was put back them couple of inches after his Black Card!
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Quote from: macdanger2 on April 09, 2017, 10:17:12 PM
Did that last free come off the post?
Yes - it came off the post.
A game of inches I suppose
And yes Maher made sure the ball was put back them couple of inches after his Black Card!
It was still taken a few feet further forward than where the foul took place and ironically would have gone over if taken from the right spot.
Great game, but I'd see the defeat as a blessing in disguise for Dublin. The bigger fish is the three-in-a-row. Never got the sense that Dublin were putting too much into the league this year and were sluggish in many games. They may have felt they peaked too early last year and just about got over the line against Mayo, who themselves lived dangerously but improved as the year went on. That said, had a couple of decisions gone Dublin's way yesterday, they'd have pulled off a narrow victory, despite Kerry dominating for a long spell of the second half. Could be like 1977 - young Kerry team win the league, but we remember what happens in the championship.
Enjoyable day out in HQ yesterday. Kerry deserved the win alright but I wouldn't be overly concerned for the summer. Some great scores and some great blackguarding - nearly championship pace.
Quote from: Declan on April 10, 2017, 01:53:04 PM
Enjoyable day out in HQ yesterday. Kerry deserved the win alright but I wouldn't be overly concerned for the summer. Some great scores and some great blackguarding - nearly championship pace.
The difference between the two games in terms of intensity was amazing.
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Quote from: Declan on April 10, 2017, 01:53:04 PM
Enjoyable day out in HQ yesterday. Kerry deserved the win alright but I wouldn't be overly concerned for the summer. Some great scores and some great blackguarding - nearly championship pace.
The difference between the two games in terms of intensity was amazing.
Money greases the wheels of excellence..
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Quote from: Declan on April 10, 2017, 01:53:04 PM
Enjoyable day out in HQ yesterday. Kerry deserved the win alright but I wouldn't be overly concerned for the summer. Some great scores and some great blackguarding - nearly championship pace.
The difference between the two games in terms of intensity was amazing.
Money greases the wheels of excellence..
Jeez, Syf, you're hitting a purple patch lately- keep 'er lit! ;D
That's as succinct and relevant as anyone could hope for.
When it costs as much to put a Gaelic senior football team on the field as it does to put an astronaut on the moon, it's time to stop and take stock.
I'm all in favour of the Dubs being sent to the moon.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 11, 2017, 01:15:23 PM
I'm all in favour of the Dubs being sent to the moon.
Who'd sponsor the rocket?
Really enjoyed the Division 1 final. It showed that rumours of the death of gaelic football have been greatly exaggerated. Huge credit to Kerry for a super performance but of course Dublin were only the width of a post from extra time which again underlines how hard they are to beat. I think there is a lot for Dublin to learn from this game which will make them even better for the championship. I also believe this win will boost Kerry and actually fuel their hunger and belief.
As for the others - Donegal have been the standout in terms of surpassing expectation. Their young lads will have played lots of football come august but they're young so they might well kick on. Mayo will be there or thereabouts. They have very little improvement to make. They still haven't unearthed personnel for their problem areas but better game planning/management might overcome that. I wouldn't pay too much heed to their iffy league campaign. They might start the championship poorly again but should be challenging come August. Tyrone started so well but have regressed badly. I'd be worried for them but could still see them turning things around and being a major force. Shot selection and missing good chances need to be erased. Monaghan are a really exciting outfit. Jack McCarron's emergence has made up for a bit of a dip by McManus but in the championship I think McManus will benefit hugely from McCarron.
Beyond those it's hard to see serious contenders. Galway deservedly won the D2 final because they wanted it but I was mightily disappointed with Kildare. Themselves and Meath really should be a lot better than they are and should be able to put it up to Dublin. It looks like Westmeath are the next best team in Leinster again though I accept Meath and Kildare are better than last year.
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I'm all in favour of the Dubs being sent to the moon.
Who'd sponsor the rocket?
Barney Rocket
Morgan fuels
Maybe Bord na Mona
The National Stud
Mr Tayto
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Quote from: Jinxy on April 11, 2017, 01:15:23 PM
I'm all in favour of the Dubs being sent to the moon.
Who'd sponsor the rocket?
They already have a rocket, he plays the attacking corner back roll
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 11, 2017, 01:44:26 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 11, 2017, 01:15:23 PM
I'm all in favour of the Dubs being sent to the moon.
Who'd sponsor the rocket?
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I think it's been a really good league and has shown that the gap between the top 6 and the rest isn't so big. The performances of Monaghan and Donegal were the biggest surprise, I thought both would have been involved in the relgation scrap but those 2 and Tyrone will fight out the Ulster championship this summer. Dublin to me look like a team that have plateaued and possibly peaked. They no longer play the swashbuckling attacking football of 2014 when they created umpteen goal chances in every game. Maybe the loss of the unbeaten record might help them play with more freedom but they are no longer tha all attacking force that they were 3 years ago. kilkenny has summed up the evolution of this Dublin side. They have turned to pragmatism rather than creative play.
The standout players that I've seen in this years league have been David Moran, Paul Geaney and Ryan McHugh all of whom are now firmly in the top half dozen players in the country imo.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 11, 2017, 02:27:04 PM
I think it's been a really good league and has shown that the gap between the top 6 and the rest isn't so big. The performances of Monaghan and Donegal were the biggest surprise, I thought both would have been involved in the relgation scrap but those 2 and Tyrone will fight out the Ulster championship this summer. Dublin to me look like a team that have plateaued and possibly peaked. They no longer play the swashbuckling attacking football of 2014 when they created umpteen goal chances in every game. Maybe the loss of the unbeaten record might help them play with more freedom but they are no longer tha all attacking force that they were 3 years ago. kilkenny has summed up the evolution of this Dublin side. They have turned to pragmatism rather than creative play.
The standout players that I've seen in this years league have been David Moran, Paul Geaney and Ryan McHugh all of whom are now firmly in the top half dozen players in the country imo.
Not sure about this, in fact, I would say the opposite!
Not sure there really is a top 6 to be honest. There is Dublin, Kerry and possibly Mayo with Kerry on an upward swing and Mayo maybe on the beginnings of a slight downward swing. Not sure Monaghan, Tyrone are quite at that level really. Donegal is harder to figure out as they've had so much turnover. The Summer will probably tell us more about them.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 11, 2017, 04:03:32 PM
Not sure there really is a top 6 to be honest. There is Dublin, Kerry and possibly Mayo with Kerry on an upward swing and Mayo maybe on the beginnings of a slight downward swing. Not sure Monaghan, Tyrone are quite at that level really. Donegal is harder to figure out as they've had so much turnover. The Summer will probably tell us more about them.
There's Dublin and then there's everyone else. Mayo are still a better match-up against Dublin than Kerry.
Will you stop embarrassing the rest of us Rossies with your sh1te.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 11, 2017, 05:39:15 PM
Will you stop embarrassing the rest of us Rossies with your sh1te.
You embarrass yourself enough for the both of us.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 11, 2017, 04:03:32 PM
Not sure there really is a top 6 to be honest. There is Dublin, Kerry and possibly Mayo with Kerry on an upward swing and Mayo maybe on the beginnings of a slight downward swing. Not sure Monaghan, Tyrone are quite at that level really. Donegal is harder to figure out as they've had so much turnover. The Summer will probably tell us more about them.
There's Dublin and then there's everyone else. Mayo are still a better match-up against Dublin than Kerry.
Don't agree with you regarding Mayo being a better match-up. While it was 'only the league' final on Sunday, I have a feeling that Kerry will put it up to the Dubs once again later on.
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I think it's been a really good league and has shown that the gap between the top 6 and the rest isn't so big. The performances of Monaghan and Donegal were the biggest surprise, I thought both would have been involved in the relgation scrap but those 2 and Tyrone will fight out the Ulster championship this summer. Dublin to me look like a team that have plateaued and possibly peaked. They no longer play the swashbuckling attacking football of 2014 when they created umpteen goal chances in every game. Maybe the loss of the unbeaten record might help them play with more freedom but they are no longer tha all attacking force that they were 3 years ago. kilkenny has summed up the evolution of this Dublin side. They have turned to pragmatism rather than creative play.
The standout players that I've seen in this years league have been David Moran, Paul Geaney and Ryan McHugh all of whom are now firmly in the top half dozen players in the country imo.
Not sure about this, in fact, I would say the opposite!
I did in fact mean to say the opposite, that there is a gap between the top 6 and the rest. I believe that the 3 Ulster sides will struggle to maintain a season long peak though and think that Sam will fall between the other 3 if I'm being kind to Mayo.
I thought the way Jack Barry limited the effectiveness of Fenton on Sunday was the most interesting thing other teams can take from the game, he really makes dublin tick.
Did Kerry use 2 or 3 "blood" subs the last day?
Quote from: highorlow on April 14, 2017, 02:39:45 PM
Did Kerry use 2 or 3 "blood" subs the last day?
Is there a limit on the amount of blood subs you can use by the way? Or because a blood sub is usually mandated by the referee, is it separate from your allocation of 6 in total?
I should know this.
I think there's no limit.
While sending a lad off for blood us up to the ref there seems no limit to the amount if time the temporary sub can stay on the field which leaves it very open to abuse by cynical Counties like Kerry.
Another one for Jarlath and his boys to tidy up
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2017, 03:38:38 PM
I think there's no limit.
While sending a lad off for blood us up to the ref there seems no limit to the amount if time the temporary sub can stay on the field which leaves it very open to abuse by cynical Counties like Kerry.
Another one for Jarlath and his boys to tidy up
I know Cormac Reilly
made Mayo count at least one of Cillian O'Connor/Aidan O'Shea Blood subs as a real substitution after their bad collision in 2014. Limited Horans options considerably in a such a tight, energy sapping game.
No surprise there, Cormac is the weakest Referee in the game. Just thought I'd mention that for the 35467th time!
Was good to see Kerry finally beat the Dubs which will give them and others some hope.
However, I think the Dubs have been in third gear so far and have been toying with teams so far. They've played a lot of new faces throughout the league and I think it's still theirs to lose. They've become much more defensively organised and when they have Cooper, O'Sullivan, McCarthy, McCaffrey and McMahon all back they will be tough to break down.
I can see them beating the exhausted Ulster champions in the semifinal to set up another Kerry or Mayo final.
Donegal will be worth watching though as I believe their new boys on the block are all big tall fast lads who I think will beat the Dubs tomorrow.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 14, 2017, 08:53:52 PM
Was good to see Kerry finally beat the Dubs which will give them and others some hope.
However, I think the Dubs have been in third gear so far and have been toying with teams so far. They've played a lot of new faces throughout the league and I think it's still theirs to lose. They've become much more defensively organised and when they have Cooper, O'Sullivan, McCarthy, McCaffrey and McMahon all back they will be tough to break down.
I can see them beating the exhausted Ulster champions in the semifinal to set up another Kerry or Mayo final.
Donegal will be worth watching though as I believe their new boys on the block are all big tall fast lads who I think will beat the Dubs tomorrow.
I wouldn't be that sure about the Dubs, Fuzzman 3 in a row is a huge ask and Kerry had the Dubs in trouble the last day. They don't seem to be as far ahead of the pack as the Kilkenny hurlers were in 2008 for example.
Donegal beating Dublin tomorrow won't mean much for the senior championship. Donegal put a lot of effort into this years NFL and by over playing U21s they could be maxed out by August.
Kerry are the most likely team to beat Dublin again this summer. I can't see any Ulster side or Mayo toppling the Dubs. Fuzzman what gear was Dublin in for the last number of AI finals? Far from top gear I'd reckon and like any team that are aiming to stay at the top they will need new faces and freshness injected into their side.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 14, 2017, 09:47:38 PM
Donegal beating Dublin tomorrow won't mean much for the senior championship. Donegal put a lot of effort into this years NFL and by over playing U21s they could be maxed out by August.
Kerry are the most likely team to beat Dublin again this summer. I can't see any Ulster side or Mayo toppling the Dubs. Fuzzman what gear was Dublin in for the last number of AI finals? Far from top gear I'd reckon and like any team that are aiming to stay at the top they will need new faces and freshness injected into their side.
The too much/too little merry-go-round about league effort is one of the gold standard tropes of this board and GAA in general.