Poll
Question:
Who'll win Division 3 of the NFL
Option 1: Armagh
Option 2: Derry
Option 3: Fermanagh
Option 4: Longford
Option 5: Offaly
Option 6: Sligo
Option 7: Westmeath
Option 8: Wexford
Offaly for the win.💚🏐💛
Feck everyone else.
Will be happy to survive.
Should be an interesting division. New year, new manager, New backroom team, New hope.
I expect mid table but that's a pure guess..
Derry and Armagh should gain promotion from this Division but i have a feeling one of them will slip up (maybe Armagh again) and allow someone like Westmeath to be promoted instead. Wexford look like they will be relegated back to Div 4 anyone's guess who will join them.
Ordinarily I would be expecting Armagh to give promotion a real go this year. This expectation would have been based on the excellent progress made in reaching an All Ireland quarter-final, which seemed to breath new life into McGeeney's tenure. It might have been reasonable to expect the 2017 Championship run to encourage players to redouble their efforts for 2018.
Unfortunately though, the reality of modern day football seems to have bitten hard and quite a significant number of players have made themselves unavailable for at least the league and possibly beyond that. That is likely to expose Armagh's lack of strength in depth and as a consequence I'd be very surprised if we were to end up finishing in the top two.
Derry and Armagh seems to be favourites to go up.
According to reports Fermanagh have put an awful lot of work into their preseason.
Alot will depend on our first 2 games. If we can win them and with Derry and Armagh to play at home we should be able to give promotion a rattle.
At the end of last season I was confident Armagh would get out of this division. Now, not so much
No faith in promotion for Armagh this year. Hopefully i will be pleasantly surprised.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 03, 2018, 03:21:48 PM
No faith in promotion for Armagh this year. Hopefully i will be pleasantly surprised.
Is that why you fecked off to the soccer, Mr Campbell? ;)
Armagh's starting 15 for tonight's McKenna cup looks strong enough on paper. We'll see if it is tissue paper in about an hour's time.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 03, 2018, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 03, 2018, 03:21:48 PM
No faith in promotion for Armagh this year. Hopefully i will be pleasantly surprised.
Is that why you fecked off to the soccer, Mr Campbell? ;)
Not having spoken to the lad myself but i would be very surprised if soccer had any bearing on his decision.
As is tradition, we'll be going up or down, we'll have to get all our key players back to go up. Impossible to call how this division will go, 6 of the 8 teams are under new management, will be interesting.
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
I think that you're seriously underrating us. (OY)
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
I agree with you, possibly flipping us and Westmeath, otherwise what I would have posted myself. I think promotion will be the aim but we'll just fall short without the Slaughtneil contingent.
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 14, 2018, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
I think that you're seriously underrating us. (OY)
No, i don't think that i am. I think most of the teams in Div 3 are stronger that Offaly (IMO...but what do i know ;))
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 14, 2018, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
I think that you're seriously underrating us. (OY)
No, i don't think that i am. I think most of the teams in Div 3 are stronger that Offaly (IMO...but what do i know ;))
If we have a decent league we should come ahead of Sligo, Wexford, Westmeath and Longford( in no particular order)
We still have Eoin Carroll, our best midfielder(he's quality), and Peter Cunningham(another quality player equally as good at CF or CB) to come back.
Lads could be brought in during the league as well based on club form, and/or injuries.
Armagh
Derry
Fermanagh
Sligo
Longford
Westmeath
Offaly
Wexford
Derry is a team very much in transition, huge amount of young footballers added to the senior panel this year, a fair amount culled, and a clatter club bound. It'll be a tight enough year or two while Damien puts his stamp on the team.
I like that Westmeath team and i think a lot of you are underestimating them
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 16, 2018, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 14, 2018, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
I think that you're seriously underrating us. (OY)
No, i don't think that i am. I think most of the teams in Div 3 are stronger that Offaly (IMO...but what do i know ;))
If we have a decent league we should come ahead of Sligo, Wexford, Westmeath and Longford( in no particular order)
We still have Eoin Carroll, our best midfielder(he's quality), and Peter Cunningham(another quality player equally as good at CF or CB) to come back.
Lads could be brought in during the league as well based on club form, and/or injuries.
Have you anyone to kick the ball over the bar though? :P
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
I like that Westmeath team and i think a lot of you are underestimating them
Agreed. 15/8 for promotion.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 17, 2018, 09:41:18 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 16, 2018, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 14, 2018, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
I think that you're seriously underrating us. (OY)
No, i don't think that i am. I think most of the teams in Div 3 are stronger that Offaly (IMO...but what do i know ;))
If we have a decent league we should come ahead of Sligo, Wexford, Westmeath and Longford( in no particular order)
We still have Eoin Carroll, our best midfielder(he's quality), and Peter Cunningham(another quality player equally as good at CF or CB) to come back.
Lads could be brought in during the league as well based on club form, and/or injuries.
Have you anyone to kick the ball over the bar though? :P
If Cunningham plays at CF, yes. Johnny Maloney also has to come back. Hopefully he'll go in at CB or midfield.
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 17, 2018, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 17, 2018, 09:41:18 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 16, 2018, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 14, 2018, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
I think that you're seriously underrating us. (OY)
No, i don't think that i am. I think most of the teams in Div 3 are stronger that Offaly (IMO...but what do i know ;))
If we have a decent league we should come ahead of Sligo, Wexford, Westmeath and Longford( in no particular order)
We still have Eoin Carroll, our best midfielder(he's quality), and Peter Cunningham(another quality player equally as good at CF or CB) to come back.
Lads could be brought in during the league as well based on club form, and/or injuries.
Have you anyone to kick the ball over the bar though? :P
If Cunningham plays at CF, yes. Johnny Maloney also has to come back. Hopefully he'll go in at CB or midfield.
Also don't forget the next wunderkind. He can score.
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
I like that Westmeath team and i think a lot of you are underestimating them
I might be overestimating them but i think Westmeath will be promoted along side Armagh.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
I like that Westmeath team and i think a lot of you are underestimating them
I might be overestimating them but i think Westmeath will be promoted along side Armagh.
I don't mind that. As long as they don't cry when Armagh fans come down do Mullingar again
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2018, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 17, 2018, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 17, 2018, 09:41:18 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 16, 2018, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 14, 2018, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 14, 2018, 08:56:49 PM
I think Fermanagh or Westmeath will get one of the promotion places, Derry could struggle without their Slaughneil players available and Armagh have had a large number of withdrawals from their squad but they should be still knocking on the door, i'll be shocked if it's not a last minute, last game outcome for promotion. Def will be a tight division alright.
Fermanagh
Armagh
Derry
Westmeath
Longford
Sligo
Wexford
Offaly
Please don't get offended if i have your team in or around the bottom as i genuinely haven't a clue on anything about Wexford, Sligo, Offaly and Longford. Wexford could well get promoted...lol. It's such a tight division if i do this again tomorrow i'd have teams in a different place. Sligo and Longford are usually strong at home, dunno how Wexford are doing and there is nothing between the other teams...Looking forward to it all the same
I think that you're seriously underrating us. (OY)
No, i don't think that i am. I think most of the teams in Div 3 are stronger that Offaly (IMO...but what do i know ;))
If we have a decent league we should come ahead of Sligo, Wexford, Westmeath and Longford( in no particular order)
We still have Eoin Carroll, our best midfielder(he's quality), and Peter Cunningham(another quality player equally as good at CF or CB) to come back.
Lads could be brought in during the league as well based on club form, and/or injuries.
Have you anyone to kick the ball over the bar though? :P
If Cunningham plays at CF, yes. Johnny Maloney also has to come back. Hopefully he'll go in at CB or midfield.
Also don't forget the next wunderkind. He can score.
I'm aware, he's still in school!
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 17, 2018, 05:02:50 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
I like that Westmeath team and i think a lot of you are underestimating them
I might be overestimating them but i think Westmeath will be promoted along side Armagh.
I don't mind that. As long as they don't cry when Armagh fans come down do Mullingar again
Red carpet being dry cleaned for that visit as we speak.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 18, 2018, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 17, 2018, 05:02:50 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
I like that Westmeath team and i think a lot of you are underestimating them
I might be overestimating them but i think Westmeath will be promoted along side Armagh.
I don't mind that. As long as they don't cry when Armagh fans come down do Mullingar again
Red carpet being dry cleaned for that visit as we speak.
haha, glad to hear it
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 18, 2018, 09:41:56 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 17, 2018, 05:02:50 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: illdecide on January 16, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
I like that Westmeath team and i think a lot of you are underestimating them
I might be overestimating them but i think Westmeath will be promoted along side Armagh.
I don't mind that. As long as they don't cry when Armagh fans come down do Mullingar again
Red carpet being dry cleaned for that visit as we speak.
Any chance you could make that carpet Orange?
Would like to think Armagh can get out of this Div but i'm less confident than I was for the reasons already stated. I think any 2 from Fermanagh, Armagh, Derry & Westmeath can go up. Re Offaly - Armagh gave them an awful hammering last year so i don't expect an easy game this time around.
No too much confidence among ye boys for us and Wexford to make headlines!!!
Yiz are probably right.
So - the fun begins next Sun for us all.
Offaly v Longford in Tullamore
Will there be heated seats?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 22, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
No too much confidence among ye boys for us and Wexford to make headlines!!!
Yiz are probably right.
So - the fun begins next Sun for us all.
Offaly v Longford in Tullamore
Will there be heated seats?
Better seats than in Pearse Park anyway.
Should be a good game. We're down a couple of wiser heads through injury, but hopefully this inexperienced team can get us off to a good start. ie a win
Will Armagh have many lads playing Sigerson tomorrow?
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
Will Armagh have many lads playing Sigerson tomorrow?
the ulster universities don't play until next week according to this
http://www.gaa.ie/highereducation/fixtures-and-results/sigerson-cup/
I think we've a few panellists in action today and tomorrow. A bit of a balls really.
Half time from Tullamore
Offaly 1-01
Longford 0-14
While Offaly are agin the breeze they are pretty dire. Longford making much better use of possession.
HT Armagh 0-10 0-2 Sligo.
Offaly 1-04
Longford 3-15
Christ above that's some beating
Full time
Offaly 1-13
Longford 3-18
Full time
Derry 2-14
Westmeath 2-17
Derry had a penalty saved in additional time to level it.
Full Time Armagh 2-17 Sligo 0-09.
Fermanagh 3-07 Wexford 2-05
Fermanagh got 3 very lucky goals .
We were cruising until Ryan Jones was sent off in the second half.
Poor enough fair.
A wins a win but would need to improve if we are to be promoted
Sligo very poor today but you can only beat what's in front of you
Sligo team selection was in some ways hard to believe. 6 or 7 debuts.......far too many at the one time. We're heading for Division 4 I think. We have some good young lads coming in but throwing them to the wolves like this is exactly what is not needed. Could be a long year.
Carew might be missed yet.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 28, 2018, 04:40:36 PM
Sligo team selection was in some ways hard to believe. 6 or 7 debuts.......far too many at the one time. We're heading for Division 4 I think. We have some good young lads coming in but throwing them to the wolves like this is exactly what is not needed. Could be a long year.
What other options have we Seanie?
The only player with experience on the bench today was Donovan, who made his first appearance of the season as a late sub last week, is now 35 and probably short on match fitness as I believe he had a minor knee surgery not long before Christmas.
Cian Breheny has hardly played in the past two season with injuries. Egan is injured at present, Kelly and McIntyre have not committed, Harrison doesn't seem to be available yet, Mark Breheny has retired, Kevin McDonnell must be carrying an injury at present. David Kelly has also not committed. There aren't any other options there. Eoin McHugh might be experienced in terms of age but he's only played about 4 or 5 times in Championship for Sligo.
Sadly that's as good as it is. Carew got a lot of stick for apparently not breeding enough new blood into the squad, now Corey is getting it for breeding too many new players. Right now we're in a very sticky period of transition and it'll likely get worse before it gets better. O'Hara said a few weeks back that he hopes Corey goes with new players even it means relegation to Div 4 and I think he's right. The Armagh game is our most difficult match on paper so hopefully these lads are quick learners.
Who would you have had starting today that was available to start?
Sweet Jesus.
That was surely the worst Offaly side ever to put on the jersey.
Longford aren't world beaters, by any stretch of the imagination, but what I saw today was awful from Offaly.
Longford mentally togged in with 10 minutes to go and Offaly scored 6-8 points to take the shambolic look off the scoreboard.
That said, Longford's forwards had some great scores with Robbie Smyth and Rian Brady scoring some lovely points.
Ok - first game is over and we have Derry at home next Sunday. Looking forward to it already.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 28, 2018, 05:21:32 PM
Sweet Jesus.
That was surely the worst Offaly side ever to put on the jersey.
Longford aren't world beaters, by any stretch of the imagination, but what I saw today was awful from Offaly.
Longford mentally togged in with 10 minutes to go and Offaly scored 6-8 points to take the shambolic look off the scoreboard.
That said, Longford's forwards had some great scores with Robbie Smyth and Rian Brady scoring some lovely points.
Ok - first game is over and we have Derry at home next Sunday. Looking forward to it already.
We've quite a poor panel, with some good players. Doesn't look good for us. I reckon that it'll be similar to last year, a last minute escape from relegation.
Poor keeper.
We've no midfield.(Thank God Eoin Carroll is yet to come back)
Poor overall. I'm in bad form now. :-[
Quote from: sligoman on January 28, 2018, 05:00:44 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 28, 2018, 04:40:36 PM
Sligo team selection was in some ways hard to believe. 6 or 7 debuts.......far too many at the one time. We're heading for Division 4 I think. We have some good young lads coming in but throwing them to the wolves like this is exactly what is not needed. Could be a long year.
What other options have we Seanie?
The only player with experience on the bench today was Donovan, who made his first appearance of the season as a late sub last week, is now 35 and probably short on match fitness as I believe he had a minor knee surgery not long before Christmas.
Cian Breheny has hardly played in the past two season with injuries. Egan is injured at present, Kelly and McIntyre have not committed, Harrison doesn't seem to be available yet, Mark Breheny has retired, Kevin McDonnell must be carrying an injury at present. David Kelly has also not committed. There aren't any other options there. Eoin McHugh might be experienced in terms of age but he's only played about 4 or 5 times in Championship for Sligo.
Sadly that's as good as it is. Carew got a lot of stick for apparently not breeding enough new blood into the squad, now Corey is getting it for breeding too many new players. Right now we're in a very sticky period of transition and it'll likely get worse before it gets better. O'Hara said a few weeks back that he hopes Corey goes with new players even it means relegation to Div 4 and I think he's right. The Armagh game is our most difficult match on paper so hopefully these lads are quick learners.
Who would you have had starting today that was available to start?
There are plenty of lads who were in and around the panel, most who got very little game time in Carew's tenure, who are worth a shot. One lad from my own club is among them. I'd be biased obviously but I was at games last year and people from other clubs were asking why he wasn't getting a run. I suppose at least he was making the bench at times last year. However, the policy now seems to be to go from one extreme to the other and this probably explains why a lot of lads have opted out. I just hope it works out. It's not a way to do things in my view....putting so many young lads in at once. I just find it very, very odd and it doesn't help those guys.
I've savage admiration for EOH and always have had but I don't understand his statement. It's most unlike him. I think we're good enough to survive in Div3 but things will need to improve a serious amount.
Interesting to see if the Westmeath County Board will welcome Armagh's "horrendous" fans to the Dunnes Stores Arena in Mullingar next Sunday.We promise not to intimidate the natives nor drink the pubs of Mullingar dry like we did last July😂
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 28, 2018, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: sligoman on January 28, 2018, 05:00:44 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 28, 2018, 04:40:36 PM
Sligo team selection was in some ways hard to believe. 6 or 7 debuts.......far too many at the one time. We're heading for Division 4 I think. We have some good young lads coming in but throwing them to the wolves like this is exactly what is not needed. Could be a long year.
What other options have we Seanie?
The only player with experience on the bench today was Donovan, who made his first appearance of the season as a late sub last week, is now 35 and probably short on match fitness as I believe he had a minor knee surgery not long before Christmas.
Cian Breheny has hardly played in the past two season with injuries. Egan is injured at present, Kelly and McIntyre have not committed, Harrison doesn't seem to be available yet, Mark Breheny has retired, Kevin McDonnell must be carrying an injury at present. David Kelly has also not committed. There aren't any other options there. Eoin McHugh might be experienced in terms of age but he's only played about 4 or 5 times in Championship for Sligo.
Sadly that's as good as it is. Carew got a lot of stick for apparently not breeding enough new blood into the squad, now Corey is getting it for breeding too many new players. Right now we're in a very sticky period of transition and it'll likely get worse before it gets better. O'Hara said a few weeks back that he hopes Corey goes with new players even it means relegation to Div 4 and I think he's right. The Armagh game is our most difficult match on paper so hopefully these lads are quick learners.
Who would you have had starting today that was available to start?
There are plenty of lads who were in and around the panel, most who got very little game time in Carew's tenure, who are worth a shot. One lad from my own club is among them. I'd be biased obviously but I was at games last year and people from other clubs were asking why he wasn't getting a run. I suppose at least he was making the bench at times last year. However, the policy now seems to be to go from one extreme to the other and this probably explains why a lot of lads have opted out. I just hope it works out. It's not a way to do things in my view....putting so many young lads in at once. I just find it very, very odd and it doesn't help those guys.
I've savage admiration for EOH and always have had but I don't understand his statement. It's most unlike him. I think we're good enough to survive in Div3 but things will need to improve a serious amount.
I presume that's Laffey you're referring to?
At this level, he is no more experienced than the lads that started today. We have little choice, Breheny has retired, McIntyre and Kelly have not committed for whatever reason and David Kelly has opted out like he has done for pretty much the last two years - that is really it. I don't think there is much point in persisting with guys who have been given chances in the past few years and just aren't up to it.
It's not ideal we have had to blood so many new players together but I don't think its like Corey had a choice. I hope he is given plenty of time and patience, the rebuilding process has been long overdue and it may take time.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 28, 2018, 10:59:53 PM
Interesting to see if the Westmeath County Board will welcome Armagh's "horrendous" fans to the Dunnes Stores Arena in Mullingar next Sunday.We promise not to intimidate the natives nor drink the pubs of Mullingar dry like we did last July😂
Bunch of crying bitches! hope they get the result they deserve, Armagh by five points.
Good way to start off the league campaign yesterday with a comfortable win. Thought we made a very positive start, dominating around the middle and taking some excellent long range points with the aid of a strong breeze. Sligo seemed intent on using their full forward Pat Hughes but he was tightly marked by Aaron McKay who had a very good game. Indeed the whole defence was playing well at this stage of the game - tackling and covering that was both determined and disciplined. The one minor issue was Sligo's first point late in the half which was a free that was moved up into a scoring position because of back chat to the ref.
With the score 10-2 at half time and Sligo with the breeze, I was concerned that shipping an early goal might make a game of it. However we got the opening goal, after great work by Mini McShane who used his speed to break the cover, with the ball being set up for Andrew Murnin to palm to the net. That score - despite coming early in the second half - essentially signaled the end of the match. We dominated for a period thereafter but began to get careless in our play and turned the ball over a number of times and indeed Sligo spurned a couple of good goal chances.
A good way to start the league but there will be clearly tougher obstacles ahead. Next week will be a case in point. However there seemed to be a positive vibe in the attitude of the team despite the number of players who have made themselves unavailable.
Purely on the basis of what I saw yesterday, Sligo will struggle.
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Sligo team selection was in some ways hard to believe. 6 or 7 debuts.......far too many at the one time. We're heading for Division 4 I think. We have some good young lads coming in but throwing them to the wolves like this is exactly what is not needed. Could be a long year.
What other options have we Seanie?
The only player with experience on the bench today was Donovan, who made his first appearance of the season as a late sub last week, is now 35 and probably short on match fitness as I believe he had a minor knee surgery not long before Christmas.
Cian Breheny has hardly played in the past two season with injuries. Egan is injured at present, Kelly and McIntyre have not committed, Harrison doesn't seem to be available yet, Mark Breheny has retired, Kevin McDonnell must be carrying an injury at present. David Kelly has also not committed. There aren't any other options there. Eoin McHugh might be experienced in terms of age but he's only played about 4 or 5 times in Championship for Sligo.
Sadly that's as good as it is. Carew got a lot of stick for apparently not breeding enough new blood into the squad, now Corey is getting it for breeding too many new players. Right now we're in a very sticky period of transition and it'll likely get worse before it gets better. O'Hara said a few weeks back that he hopes Corey goes with new players even it means relegation to Div 4 and I think he's right. The Armagh game is our most difficult match on paper so hopefully these lads are quick learners.
Who would you have had starting today that was available to start?
There are plenty of lads who were in and around the panel, most who got very little game time in Carew's tenure, who are worth a shot. One lad from my own club is among them. I'd be biased obviously but I was at games last year and people from other clubs were asking why he wasn't getting a run. I suppose at least he was making the bench at times last year. However, the policy now seems to be to go from one extreme to the other and this probably explains why a lot of lads have opted out. I just hope it works out. It's not a way to do things in my view....putting so many young lads in at once. I just find it very, very odd and it doesn't help those guys.
I've savage admiration for EOH and always have had but I don't understand his statement. It's most unlike him. I think we're good enough to survive in Div3 but things will need to improve a serious amount.
I presume that's Laffey you're referring to?
At this level, he is no more experienced than the lads that started today. We have little choice, Breheny has retired, McIntyre and Kelly have not committed for whatever reason and David Kelly has opted out like he has done for pretty much the last two years - that is really it. I don't think there is much point in persisting with guys who have been given chances in the past few years and just aren't up to it.
It's not ideal we have had to blood so many new players together but I don't think its like Corey had a choice. I hope he is given plenty of time and patience, the rebuilding process has been long overdue and it may take time.
I'm not advocating persisting with guys who have had plenty of chances and failed in the past. I just think we have some more physically mature players we could use rather than throw in so many young lads against a Kieran McGeeney managed team. Blend them in gradually I would have thought was the sensible approach. I believe a more subtle approach could have been taken....you think we have no other players so it's the only option. We'll have to agree to disagree but it's amazing we were able to field teams at all last year! I'd be concerned at so many players opting out including a good few guys who have plenty to offer at this level. McIntyre and Kelly not playing are two massive hammer blows, both were automatic selections for me. Not sure why Ross wouldn't have started either, think he played in last FBD game. Kyle Cawley and Cian Breheny came on but surely could have started? Maybe it's just a difference in approach but I'd have liked to see a solid start and build from there.
Think you're overreacting by your
hope Corey is given time comment. It's possible to have a difference of opinion or be surprised at something without wanting to sack someone. By and large we all agree these lads are the backbone of the team for years to come....I just hope beatings like yesterday don't impact their development.
Huge game next week. We really need to go all out to get these two points against Wexford.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on January 29, 2018, 07:51:33 AM
Good way to start off the league campaign yesterday with a comfortable win. Thought we made a very positive start, dominating around the middle and taking some excellent long range points with the aid of a strong breeze. Sligo seemed intent on using their full forward Pat Hughes but he was tightly marked by Aaron McKay who had a very good game. Indeed the whole defence was playing well at this stage of the game - tackling and covering that was both determined and disciplined. The one minor issue was Sligo's first point late in the half which was a free that was moved up into a scoring position because of back chat to the ref.
With the score 10-2 at half time and Sligo with the breeze, I was concerned that shipping an early goal might make a game of it. However we got the opening goal, after great work by Mini McShane who used his speed to break the cover, with the ball being set up for Andrew Murnin to palm to the net. That score - despite coming early in the second half - essentially signaled the end of the match. We dominated for a period thereafter but began to get careless in our play and turned the ball over a number of times and indeed Sligo spurned a couple of good goal chances.
A good way to start the league but there will be clearly tougher obstacles ahead. Next week will be a case in point. However there seemed to be a positive vibe in the attitude of the team despite the number of players who have made themselves unavailable.
Purely on the basis of what I saw yesterday, Sligo will struggle.
Cant argue with this. Looking forward to the trip to Mullingar and see what type of welcome we get after the Summer
1st 25 mins the Armagh defence turned over a mighty amount of ball but they were also aided with a good few wayward passes by Sligo that were easily mopped up. Armagh seemed to take their foot off the gas after their 1st goal and could easily have conceded 1 or 2 goals themselves. Rallied again towards the end.
I went expecting a much tougher day at the office but was pleasantly surprised. Rafferty hit some lovely scores.
Could Derry be in a spot of bother ?
Quote from: FermGael on January 29, 2018, 09:54:07 AM
Could Derry be in a spot of bother ?
Possibly. We have a new management team who want to put their own stamp on things so they've left out a few lads and brought in some young lads too. Along with that the missing Slaughtneil contingent doesn't help things.
Promotion should be our main aim but I think that will quickly change to survival!
Quote from: FermGael on January 29, 2018, 09:54:07 AM
Could Derry be in a spot of bother ?
The jury will have a fair idea after Derry's trip to Longford next Sunday. I don't think we're dragging them to Ballymahon as we did a few years ago ;D
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Quote from: FermGael on January 29, 2018, 09:54:07 AM
Could Derry be in a spot of bother ?
Possibly. We have a new management team who want to put their own stamp on things so they've left out a few lads and brought in some young lads too. Along with that the missing Slaughtneil contingent doesn't help things.
Promotion should be our main aim but I think that will quickly change to survival!
Seen your line up and didn't know too many on it.
It's a very hard division to get out off. Very physical and a steep learning curve for young players.
You need a few experienced heads.
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Quote from: screenexile on January 29, 2018, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: FermGael on January 29, 2018, 09:54:07 AM
Could Derry be in a spot of bother ?
Possibly. We have a new management team who want to put their own stamp on things so they've left out a few lads and brought in some young lads too. Along with that the missing Slaughtneil contingent doesn't help things.
Promotion should be our main aim but I think that will quickly change to survival!
Seen your line up and didn't know too many on it.
It's a very hard division to get out off. Very physical and a steep learning curve for young players.
You need a few experienced heads.
One of our most experienced heads got sent off when we were a man up and looked like pushing on yesterday ::)
Quote from: stew on January 28, 2018, 11:13:56 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 28, 2018, 10:59:53 PM
Interesting to see if the Westmeath County Board will welcome Armagh's "horrendous" fans to the Dunnes Stores Arena in Mullingar next Sunday.We promise not to intimidate the natives nor drink the pubs of Mullingar dry like we did last July😂
Bunch of crying bitches! hope they get the result they deserve, Armagh by five points.
2 solid contributions from 2 of the most esteemed members of the board.
Decent trip up to Derry yesterday, a win always helps with a 10 hour day like that. Less said about the referee the better, if he's not a headmaster from a Christian Brother school in the 70s he has missed his vocation in life. Gave Westmeath a penalty for a jersey tug in the area that is never given in the first minute. Balanced that out with a penalty award in the last minute that no one knows what was for. And in between blew for decisions that seemed to be based on flipping a coin to decide which way to award them. Sent lads to the line for minor indiscretions too, when it wasn't really a double yellows kind of game. Threw a couple of them out as well for two text book shoulders. The assessor probably gave him top marks.
The football when it was allowed to occur wasn't bad. Carberry mixed some poor kickouts with some outstanding saves including the penalty right at the end that would have drawn the game. Boidu looks the part in the corner, reminiscent of John Keane back in the noughties. Heslin and Jimmy did well in the half back line and midfield but the rest of that sector needs improvement. Half forward line is very strong. Ger Egan and the Bear battered the Derry defence all day, great heart and leadership shown by the pair of them. Ronan O'Toole had a solid debut buzzing about there as well, a solid addition to the panel. Luke and Callum look a good pairing inside and took some fine scores. Callum particularly. If David Clifford had scored 2 of the points Callum scored yesterday the whole of League Sunday would have been devoted to him. Back to goal, under savage pressure and still managed to get his foot around the ball a couple of times. I don't think he's missed a score-able chance since the start of the year, bit of work to do on his first touch but starting the year with a bang.
That should set us up for a right crack at promotion now as that was our toughest away trip and we have 4 games left at home. Right clanger to come in Cusack Park next Sunday, if we get something out of that game we'll be well set up.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 29, 2018, 10:15:25 AM
Right clanger to come in Cusack Park next Sunday, if we get something out of that game we'll be well set up.
I would say the same from an Armagh perspective. We were very lucky to come away with a win last summer (although the refereeing that evening still lives in the memory). Sligo were very poor but we put them away in a manner that Armagh teams tend not to do but next Sunday promises to be one of our bigger tests (along with our trip to Fermanagh imo).
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Quote from: FermGael on January 29, 2018, 09:54:07 AM
Could Derry be in a spot of bother ?
The jury will have a fair idea after Derry's trip to Longford next Sunday. I don't think we're dragging them to Ballymahon as we did a few years ago ;D
Ah, the memories. ;D
Indeed Billy.
Derry got horrid annoyed at looking across the pitch and seeing cows staring at them. The stand was basically a lean-to.
Mickey Moran was bullin afterwards - refused to shake hands with the victorious Longford boys. There was a Derry poster on here at the time took umbrage as well. Da Bishop methinks.
That was the day Jamesie Martin played well.
The only day.
All too easy for Armagh yesterday, last year missed out on promotion with the last kick of the game in round 7 this year I wouldn't be surprised if Armagh are promoted before round 7.
John Heslin is a rolls Royce of a player; thats a number of times i seen him live now, if he was playing for Dublin; Mayo or Kerry they be having him up their with the superstars of the game! More ability than Murphy; O'Shea; all the dublin forwards except Connolly; some players like him only end up like John Galvin; Great players we dont get to see on the tail end of championship time! and only real gaa die supporters from other counties will remember!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 29, 2018, 07:52:17 PM
All too easy for Armagh yesterday, last year missed out on promotion with the last kick of the game in round 7 this year I wouldn't be surprised if Armagh are promoted before round 7.
Your quote brings to mind a great line from Winston Wolfe in Pulp Fiction when the lads admire the job they have done, cleaning up the car. Yesterday's match gives no real insight into how Armagh will go this year. My sense would be that next week will give a clearer understanding. With the players that have opted out this year, I feel our odds on winning promotion are a lot longer than last year. We got out of jail in Mullingar during the Summer and I'd guess we will do well to come out undefeated this time.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 29, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
John Heslin is a rolls Royce of a player; thats a number of times i seen him live now, if he was playing for Dublin; Mayo or Kerry they be having him up their with the superstars of the game! More ability than Murphy; O'Shea; all the dublin forwards except Connolly; some players like him only end up like John Galvin; Great players we dont get to see on the tail end of championship time! and only real gaa die supporters from other counties will remember!
I agree to a certain extent, he's an excellent player and I wish he was an Armagh man. WM have 3 or 4 top notch players and i wouldn't be surprised to see them beat Armagh on Sunday, i have tipped them for promotion and I believe the winners of Sundays match will get one of the 2 promotion places. Armagh can win in Mullingar but it will be difficult and if they do i'll expect them to have 8pts from their first four games...Sunday is a big one alright...
P.S. Please change them old wooden seats in that stand...brutal and the most uncomfortable seats in Ireland ;)
Quote from: illdecide on January 30, 2018, 09:48:44 AM
P.S. Please change them old wooden seats in that stand...brutal and the most uncomfortable seats in Ireland ;)
Now the competition for the worst seats would be a very competitive league.
Last time in Mullingar the weather was perfect, this might not be true on Sunday.
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Quote from: illdecide on January 30, 2018, 09:48:44 AM
P.S. Please change them old wooden seats in that stand...brutal and the most uncomfortable seats in Ireland ;)
Now the competition for the worst seats would be a very competitive league.
Last time in Mullingar the weather was perfect, this might not be true on Sunday.
Yup, gonna need to get there early to get under cover
Armagh had a good win on Sunday against a young and inexperienced Sligo side. We were clinical in taking our chances, hit some great scores from range, tackled well and forced a number of turnovers. It will be interesting to see if we can repeat this sort of performance on Sunday against Westmeath. They should have beaten us in the summer and no doubt they will want to get one over on us and push for promotion. The loss of James Morgan, Stefan Campbell, Jamie Clarke and Oisin O'Neill will be more keenly felt in games like this. While our full forward line scored a hatful on Sunday, I'd be interested to see if they can operate in the same way in Mullingar. If we can win that, then we will be doing very well, with more tough games to come.
Armagh were decent, but they did well mainly because Sligo were poor. The Armagh attack struggled at times when Sligo were grouped in defence and against a well organised defence they might not score enough. Armagh has a recent recrord of nice socres when the opposition have given up or are in disarray, but an inability to penetrate a blanket defence. Westmeath will be tougher, we didn't have Jamie or James Morgan for most of the game in the summer, but Stefan Campbell and Oisin O'Neill got useful scores that day, and they won't this week.
I am so looking forward to our trip to Armagh Sunday week.
Top of the table clash ;D
Parents are staying in the City Hotel - is that the best place for the grandest of celebratory dinners apres match or is there a better place nearby?
Nothing fancy schmansy - just a grand lock of spuds/chips and a daycent bullock on the plate.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 01, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
I am so looking forward to our trip to Armagh Sunday week.
Top of the table clash ;D
Parents are staying in the City Hotel - is that the best place for the grandest of celebratory dinners apres match or is there a better place nearby?
Nothing fancy schmansy - just a grand lock of spuds/chips and a daycent bullock on the plate.
But the meat from a heifer is nicer!
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 01, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
I am so looking forward to our trip to Armagh Sunday week.
Top of the table clash ;D
Parents are staying in the City Hotel - is that the best place for the grandest of celebratory dinners apres match or is there a better place nearby?
Nothing fancy schmansy - just a grand lock of spuds/chips and a daycent bullock on the plate.
Probably best to stick to hotel. There are better and probably cheaper places elsewhere in the city but the hotel is handy and food decent enough. Besides you southerners are well used to high prices!
Quote1. Patrick Dunican (Shamrocks)
2. David Brady (Edenderry)
3. Paul McConway (Tullamore)
4. Sean Pender (Edenderry)
5. David Dempsey (Ballycommon)
6. Peter Cunningham (Bracknagh)
7. Niall Darby (Rhode)
8. Conor McNamee (Rhode)
9. Craig Dunne (Gracefield)
10. Jordan Hayes (Edenderry)
11. Michael Brazil (Tullamore)
12. Shane Nally (Ferbane)
13. Cian Johnson (Ferbane)
14. Anton Sullivan (Rhode)
15. Nigel Dunne (Shamrocks)
16. Barry Rohan (Shannonbridge)
17. Joseph O'Connor (St. Rynagh's)
18. Bobby O'Dea (Durrow)
19. Bernard Allen (Tubber)
20. Shane Tierney (Daingean)
21. Sean Doyle (Edenderry)
22. John Moloney (Tullamore)
23. Aaron Hensey (Tullamore)
24. James Lalor (Raheen)
25. Jack Egan (Ferbane)
26. Conor Carroll (Raheen)
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Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 01, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
I am so looking forward to our trip to Armagh Sunday week.
Top of the table clash ;D
Parents are staying in the City Hotel - is that the best place for the grandest of celebratory dinners apres match or is there a better place nearby?
Nothing fancy schmansy - just a grand lock of spuds/chips and a daycent bullock on the plate.
Probably best to stick to hotel. There are better and probably cheaper places elsewhere in the city but the hotel is handy and food decent enough. Besides you southerners are well used to high prices!
Fryer Tucks isnt too far away
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 01, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
I am so looking forward to our trip to Armagh Sunday week.
Top of the table clash ;D
Parents are staying in the City Hotel - is that the best place for the grandest of celebratory dinners apres match or is there a better place nearby?
Nothing fancy schmansy - just a grand lock of spuds/chips and a daycent bullock on the plate.
You're confident for this weekend then. Maybe rightly so
Huge game for us at home against Wexford. Hoping a decent home crowd turns out and this will help our young lads put last week behind them and get the result. I think we should start one or two more experienced players and blend in the younger lads as the game develops. Hope Ross, Kyle Cawley, Cian B start (and obviously would love to see my clubmate Peter Laffey involved, he's definitely worth a shot and has waited long enough for it)......we need to get a good, stable first half to let these lads grow in confidence. Wexford had a couple of lads sent off last week.....are they suspended or were they double yellows? Tough start for them with long trips to Enniskillen and Sligo off the bat.
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 02, 2018, 10:55:48 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 01, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
I am so looking forward to our trip to Armagh Sunday week.
Top of the table clash ;D
Parents are staying in the City Hotel - is that the best place for the grandest of celebratory dinners apres match or is there a better place nearby?
Nothing fancy schmansy - just a grand lock of spuds/chips and a daycent bullock on the plate.
You're confident for this weekend then. Maybe rightly so
Tell them to take the time to go to the Port Mor in Blackwatertown, similar price but twice the feed, best eating house in the area and less than ten minutes from the hotel.
Quote from: lurganblue on February 02, 2018, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on February 01, 2018, 08:34:42 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 01, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
I am so looking forward to our trip to Armagh Sunday week.
Top of the table clash ;D
Parents are staying in the City Hotel - is that the best place for the grandest of celebratory dinners apres match or is there a better place nearby?
Nothing fancy schmansy - just a grand lock of spuds/chips and a daycent bullock on the plate.
Probably best to stick to hotel. There are better and probably cheaper places elsewhere in the city but the hotel is handy and food decent enough. Besides you southerners are well used to high prices!
Fryer Tucks isnt too far away
Friar Tucks is not too far away either!
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2018, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 02, 2018, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on February 01, 2018, 08:34:42 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 01, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
I am so looking forward to our trip to Armagh Sunday week.
Top of the table clash ;D
Parents are staying in the City Hotel - is that the best place for the grandest of celebratory dinners apres match or is there a better place nearby?
Nothing fancy schmansy - just a grand lock of spuds/chips and a daycent bullock on the plate.
Probably best to stick to hotel. There are better and probably cheaper places elsewhere in the city but the hotel is handy and food decent enough. Besides you southerners are well used to high prices!
Fryer Tucks isnt too far away
Friar Tucks is not too far away either!
:-[ you can tell i frequent it quite a bit
I can confirm this is true...Friar
You can get a load of white gloopy stuff on top of your burger.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWxxm1MIMAAG7p6.jpg)
I thought Friar Tucks was in Newry?
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Westmeath's Colin Kelly has named his 15 to start against Armagh this Sunday at 2pm in TEG Cusack Park.
1 Eoin Carberry
2 Mark McCallon
3 Killian Daly
4 Boidu Sayeh
5 Noel Mulligan
6 Sam Duncan
7 James Dolan
8 Alan Stone
9 Denis Corroon
10 Kieran Martin
11 John Heslin
12 Ger Egan
13 Callum McCormack
14 Luke Loughlin
15 John Egan
https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-starting-15-to-face-armagh/
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 02, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
Huge game for us at home against Wexford. Hoping a decent home crowd turns out and this will help our young lads put last week behind them and get the result. I think we should start one or two more experienced players and blend in the younger lads as the game develops. Hope Ross, Kyle Cawley, Cian B start (and obviously would love to see my clubmate Peter Laffey involved, he's definitely worth a shot and has waited long enough for it)......we need to get a good, stable first half to let these lads grow in confidence. Wexford had a couple of lads sent off last week.....are they suspended or were they double yellows? Tough start for them with long trips to Enniskillen and Sligo off the bat.
One straight red and the other 2 yellows Seanie
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 01, 2018, 11:59:47 PM
Quote1. Patrick Dunican (Shamrocks)
2. David Brady (Edenderry)
3. Paul McConway (Tullamore)
4. Sean Pender (Edenderry)
5. David Dempsey (Ballycommon)
6. Peter Cunningham (Bracknagh)
7. Niall Darby (Rhode)
8. Conor McNamee (Rhode)
9. Craig Dunne (Gracefield)
10. Jordan Hayes (Edenderry)
11. Michael Brazil (Tullamore)
12. Shane Nally (Ferbane)
13. Cian Johnson (Ferbane)
14. Anton Sullivan (Rhode)
15. Nigel Dunne (Shamrocks)
16. Barry Rohan (Shannonbridge)
17. Joseph O'Connor (St. Rynagh's)
18. Bobby O'Dea (Durrow)
19. Bernard Allen (Tubber)
20. Shane Tierney (Daingean)
21. Sean Doyle (Edenderry)
22. John Moloney (Tullamore)
23. Aaron Hensey (Tullamore)
24. James Lalor (Raheen)
25. Jack Egan (Ferbane)
26. Conor Carroll (Raheen)
I thought Peter Cunningham was injured for the league, big boost to have him back.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 03, 2018, 12:48:17 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 01, 2018, 11:59:47 PM
Quote1. Patrick Dunican (Shamrocks)
2. David Brady (Edenderry)
3. Paul McConway (Tullamore)
4. Sean Pender (Edenderry)
5. David Dempsey (Ballycommon)
6. Peter Cunningham (Bracknagh)
7. Niall Darby (Rhode)
8. Conor McNamee (Rhode)
9. Craig Dunne (Gracefield)
10. Jordan Hayes (Edenderry)
11. Michael Brazil (Tullamore)
12. Shane Nally (Ferbane)
13. Cian Johnson (Ferbane)
14. Anton Sullivan (Rhode)
15. Nigel Dunne (Shamrocks)
16. Barry Rohan (Shannonbridge)
17. Joseph O'Connor (St. Rynagh's)
18. Bobby O'Dea (Durrow)
19. Bernard Allen (Tubber)
20. Shane Tierney (Daingean)
21. Sean Doyle (Edenderry)
22. John Moloney (Tullamore)
23. Aaron Hensey (Tullamore)
24. James Lalor (Raheen)
25. Jack Egan (Ferbane)
26. Conor Carroll (Raheen)
I thought Peter Cunningham was injured for the league, big boost to have him back.
All we need now are midfielders.
Any handy pubs near that longford pitch; we always seem to come in on the top end of the town away from the main town?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2018, 08:34:36 AM
Any handy pubs near that longford pitch; we always seem to come in on the top end of the town away from the main town?
The short answer is No. The long answer won't help you much either - the pubs are in the town, Pearse Park isn't.
If calling in to the pubs in the town; what time u need to at; in time for the game?
About 15 min walk from centre of town to Pearse Park. No seats so standing room only
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Any pub recommendations
No seats in Longford pubs or no seats in the stadium of light?
Valentines is the only pub I could recommend. Middle of town. It has seats. Pearse Park seats out of action for another few months
Ok thanks
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 03, 2018, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2018, 08:34:36 AM
Any handy pubs near that longford pitch; we always seem to come in on the top end of the town away from the main town?
The short answer is No. The long answer won't help you much either - the pubs are in the town, Pearse Park isn't.
So the short answer is no, and the long answer is noooooooooooo.
Currently:
Longford 0-04
Derry 0-01
Half time:
Longford 0-06
Derry 1-01
Sligo seem to be in charge agin Wexford.
Other two games are 2.30 throw ins.
Longford 1-08
Derry 1-05
23 mins gone second half
Final score from Pearse Park
Longford 1-13
Derry 1-06
We won by 3 in the end. Not pretty but a win is a win. Poor performances by our established forwards, Murphy, marren and Hughes all very poor, some of the young lads, carabiner, Oconnor, Cawley did well based on the commentary. We have a win, we have another game for the younger lads and we won a must win game. Lots of work to do..
Armagh 2.12 westmeath 1.11
about 10 minutes left
Final score Armagh 2.17 Westmeath 1.11
After a slow start, this was a good shift by Armagh. When WH scored the goal in the second half Armagh went up and scored 1=05, which more or less ensured the outcome.
That's an excellent victory at a ground where we often struggle. As Armaghniac said, Westmeath scored a goal and a point to take the lead after Armagh led for nearly all of the first fifty minutes. We appear to have responded magnificently, outscoring them by 1-9 to 0-2 from there to the finish. It suggests a very good team spirit, and there was some evidence of this in the first game at home to Sligo. Given the publicity there had been about the players opting out, that is very reassuring to see and suggests a positive response and mindset.
Good win for Fermanagh today against a poor Offally side.
Probably played the 2 weakest teams in the league and we
will have to improve as we are still conceding sloppy goals
Who did the scoring for Armagh today? Big tally which is good to see
Quote from: downtown on February 04, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
Who did the scoring for Armagh today? Big tally which is good to see
Last week there was a question mark over the opposition, but to get a similar score over Westmeath is good work, especially after a slow start.
Good spread of scorers
Blaine Hughes; Patrick Burns, Aaron McKay, Paul Hughes; Niall Rowland, Gregory McCabe, Mark Shields; Stephen Sheridan (0-1), Charlie Vernon (0-1); Ryan McShane (0-1), Aidan Forker (0-2), Ronan Lappin (1-0); Rory Grugan (1-4, 0-2f, 1-0 pen) Niall Grimley (0-2f), Ethan Rafferty (0-5, 0-1f).
Did it take us about 20 minutes to score over very first point? Very slow start.
18 and a half but we hit some poor wides before that.
Some of Ethan's scores were superb
Good win but the chances missed in the first 18 minutes were unbelievable.Also grateful for the traditional poor finish of games by Westmeath.Some good scores from Rafferty and Forker.Mc Corry clearly having a good influence on the line.Home victory over Longford should secure promotion,as we will not lose to Wexford,Fermanagh,Offaly or Derry as long as focus is maintained
Quote from: armaghniac on February 04, 2018, 06:41:13 PM
Quote from: downtown on February 04, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
Who did the scoring for Armagh today? Big tally which is good to see
Last week there was a question mark over the opposition, but to get a similar score over Westmeath is good work, especially after a slow start.
Good spread of scorers
Blaine Hughes; Patrick Burns, Aaron McKay, Paul Hughes; Niall Rowland, Gregory McCabe, Mark Shields; Stephen Sheridan (0-1), Charlie Vernon (0-1); Ryan McShane (0-1), Aidan Forker (0-2), Ronan Lappin (1-0); Rory Grugan (1-4, 0-2f, 1-0 pen) Niall Grimley (0-2f), Ethan Rafferty (0-5, 0-1f).
Armagh should be in D2.
Armagh moving along nicely now. In truth should be playing division 2 football this year and that bit of anger of not playing in a higher level has been displayed in the two performances. I do believe promotion should be wrapped up this spring with a game or two to spare.
After last weeks impressive performance against a inexperienced Sligo side I think a lot of Armagh fans were unsure whether we could repeat this performance against a good Westmeath side who had a great win against Derry. To win like this again is very pleasing and shows that we are indeed in with a good chance of promotion. We should be in Division 2 now but for throwing away wins to last second goals against Sligo and Tipp last season. The team look like they have a ruthless streak in them to ensure this doesn't happen again. It's been well publicised that we are missing a couple of key men and my worry was that we wouldn't be able to compensate for them. So far I'm being proven wrong.
What is happening in Derry. Joe Brolly reckoned they'd be ditching the negative football and attacking strongly this year. Very poor start for a county with some great players.
Armagh 1/10 to be promoted (PaddyPower).
I know we are playing well, but unsure that we have a 90% chance of being promoted (which is what those odds imply).
To be Promoted
Armagh 1/10
Fermanagh evens
Longford 11/8
Westmeath 5/2
Sligo 13/2
Derry 14/1
Offaly 25/1
Wexford 50/1
I think it's a certainty if we beat Longford.Derry,Offaly and Wexford are incapable of beating us,and it would take a bad day at the office for Fermanagh to do so.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 04, 2018, 08:56:43 PM
Armagh 1/10 to be promoted (PaddyPower).
I know we are playing well, but unsure that we have a 90% chance of being promoted (which is what those odds imply).
To be Promoted
Armagh 1/10
Fermanagh evens
Longford 11/8
Westmeath 5/2
Sligo 13/2
Derry 14/1
Offaly 25/1
Wexford 50/1
2 to get promoted.
The two teams that Armagh beat so far both won their other game (Sligo beat Wexford and Westmeath beat Derry)
As a comparison the other 2 teams on 4 points, Longford and Fermanagh, won games against sides who lost their other game.
Combine this with last year's form and it's not that shocking. IIRC Armagh were short enough odds to get promoted even before the first league game, so it's not shocking they have tightened as much as they have.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 04, 2018, 09:18:20 PM
I think it's a certainty if we beat Longford.Derry,Offaly and Wexford are incapable of beating us,and it would take a bad day at the office for Fermanagh to do so.
It's been nearly 15 years Tony.
Time to move on.....
I know.Fermanagh beat once us every 100 years.
Quote from: FermGael on February 04, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
It's been nearly 15 years Tony.
Time to move on.....
Not quite fourteen years actually. Don't know about anyone else, but it still haunts me.
It will haunt every Armagh player and supporter who played or was there that day.Due to over confidence we threw away a place in the Final at the very least.Inexcusable
Does anyone know what was wrong with andy murnin today?
Good win for Armagh, clearly learning from last years mistakes. Derry appear to be in self destruct mode
Derry worryingly in free fall, don't think we end up in divisions 4 but i think there are only 2 teams i think we can beat at the minute in this division,, too many good players not on the county panel, and a very inexperienced team been played at the minute.
Quote from: regal on February 04, 2018, 11:28:09 PM
Does anyone know what was wrong with andy murnin today?
Good win for Armagh, clearly learning from last years mistakes. Derry appear to be in self destruct mode
Not sure but he did warm up with other subs in second half
I really enjoyed today and it was a pretty good win. Yes there's lots to work on but there were loads of positives for me. It was much better than I expected. I think having Ross in the FB was absolutely crucial. Even if he's not fully up to speed he's just so good and a true leader.....he continues to do amazing things. We were physically much smaller in the middle of the field but worked hard to overcome that disadvantage. I liked that lads role their sleeves up and were happy to do the dirty work which often goes unnoticed. That's crucial. Defensively we mostly had a good shape when we got set up but if Wexford got forward quickly we were a little porous. Also at times in the second half when we were well set we seemed to let them in too easily for scores. I saw enough though to suggest this is a work in progress and will get better as we go along. Certainly looked better than anything I saw in the last few years....lads clearly knew their roles.
In attack we did some good work but some of the players mentioned were disappointing. Coen had an excellent game and will be very important for us as the year progresses. Murf started well spraying a lot of good ball into the FF line and got a cracking goal but as the game went on he made a few uncharacteristic mistakes. I feel he's not being helped by being moved around the formation so much. Personally I feel he should be left inside.....he's at his most effective in there relative to who'd replace him. I certainly think he put in a decent shift all told though. Wouldn't say he was poor by any means. Hughes didn't have one of his better days, strangely losing his footing very often when getting set to challenge for high balls. Marren got on a lot of ball but with the exception of one really excellent quick transfer to Carrabine seemed intent on going for his own score or coming back out to where the pass came from. I suppose he has learned the lesson that points after your name makes it hard for you to be dropped!
The two wing forwards as mentioned and Luke Nicholson were notable performers for me. Also one of Eoin McHugh's better games, still has a lot to offer. Ewing has really developed into a first class player for us, he's just a lynchpin. To be fair though it was decent all over. Lots to build on. We'll need to improve for tougher tests ahead but I'm encouraged.
Very disappointing showing from Westmeath yesterday, apart from Heslin & Luke at times the lads never got into the game at all. We gave Armagh the platform to dominate the game by having no plan for the kickouts apart from kick it out to Heslin. Heslin is a wonderful fielder but can't be expected to dominate midfield single handily and when he did win the mark we had no plan for moving the ball on. John Egan going off early seemed to unsettle us but we got back into it in the second half before immediately making a hames of it and giving away a penalty. Wexford away next weekend where we will hopefully pick up the pieces, the lads should be stewing after that all week and put in a performance. Needs to be a couple of changes in the middle 8 too, all those substituted should be looking over their shoulder.
Div 3 bubbling up nicely.
Happy with our performances so far but massive test come this Sunday. Not sure we will come out of Armagh with less than a spanking but we'll give it a lash. This game will tell us where we really are as, with all due respect to Offaly and Derry, they didn't really put it up to us.
Wildweasel - did you travel to the game? Sorry there were no seats and the shelter behind the town goal was rudimentary (at best).
We'll have semi-decent facilities back before the Meath match in the Leinster.
Did Derry play ultra-defensive. I got the impression they did.
If so, why??????
Yes was down; Longford won in 2nd gear to be honest! Longford would be better than Westmeath team wise! Played ultra defendive as they shipped serious scores to westmeath last week! Problem is; if u play like that u got to break quickly into attack; we cant seem to do that@
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 04, 2018, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 04, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
It's been nearly 15 years Tony.
Time to move on.....
Not quite fourteen years actually. Don't know about anyone else, but it still haunts me.
That one and the 2005 AI Semi final are the 2 which hurt the most
The problem we're all in Div 3 lads is we're inconsistent. Potentially on our day we're all capable of beating each other but then go out next week and get beat, Div 1 & 2 teams do it week in week out.
Was really surprised that Armagh was as comfortable as they did as i expected a lot tougher game than that, I'm so glad we have Longford at home as they're usually very hard to beat in Longford.
Fermanagh are moving along nicely too, will be hard to beat.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 05, 2018, 10:06:39 AM
Happy with our performances so far but massive test come this Sunday. Not sure we will come out of Armagh with less than a spanking but we'll give it a lash. This game will tell us where we really are as, with all due respect to Offaly and Derry, they didn't really put it up to us.
Hopefully you'll have some indigestion at the game, but a lovely meal at the City Hotel.
Quote from: illdecide on February 05, 2018, 10:46:24 AM
The problem we're all in Div 3 lads is we're inconsistent. Potentially on our day we're all capable of beating each other but then go out next week and get beat
Armagh cannot be relied on, alas.
Quote from: illdecide on February 05, 2018, 10:46:24 AM
The problem we're all in Div 3 lads is we're inconsistent. Potentially on our day we're all capable of beating each other but then go out next week and get beat, Div 1 & 2 teams do it week in week out.
Was really surprised that Armagh was as comfortable as they did as i expected a lot tougher game than that, I'm so glad we have Longford at home as they're usually very hard to beat in Longford.
Fermanagh are moving along nicely too, will be hard to beat.
Whilst we (Fermanagh) have won both games, we haven't really been going that well. We have been lucky to get the supposed 2 weakest teams in the Division so far. Our attitude and workrate have been first class but our standard of play has been relatively poor. We've benefitted from some really soft goals and have also given away some really soft goals. Brewster Park is a real slog at the moment which doesn't help, it'll be nice to get away from it this weekend. Hopefully our attacking play and ability to move the ball forward can improve; our starting forwards have only scored 0-6 in 2 games (excluding those goals.)
Quote from: Lucifer on February 06, 2018, 09:09:34 AM
Quote from: illdecide on February 05, 2018, 10:46:24 AM
The problem we're all in Div 3 lads is we're inconsistent. Potentially on our day we're all capable of beating each other but then go out next week and get beat, Div 1 & 2 teams do it week in week out.
Was really surprised that Armagh was as comfortable as they did as i expected a lot tougher game than that, I'm so glad we have Longford at home as they're usually very hard to beat in Longford.
Fermanagh are moving along nicely too, will be hard to beat.
Whilst we (Fermanagh) have won both games, we haven't really been going that well. We have been lucky to get the supposed 2 weakest teams in the Division so far. Our attitude and workrate have been first class but our standard of play has been relatively poor. We've benefitted from some really soft goals and have also given away some really soft goals. Brewster Park is a real slog at the moment which doesn't help, it'll be nice to get away from it this weekend. Hopefully our attacking play and ability to move the ball forward can improve; our starting forwards have only scored 0-6 in 2 games (excluding those goals.)
Hi Rory ;)
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 05, 2018, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 04, 2018, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 04, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
It's been nearly 15 years Tony.
Time to move on.....
Not quite fourteen years actually. Don't know about anyone else, but it still haunts me.
That one and the 2005 AI Semi final are the 2 which hurt the most
+1
Sligo v Wexford Matchday Vlog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujAcwlWUsxk
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on February 06, 2018, 09:00:05 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 05, 2018, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 04, 2018, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 04, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
It's been nearly 15 years Tony.
Time to move on.....
Not quite fourteen years actually. Don't know about anyone else, but it still haunts me.
That one and the 2005 AI Semi final are the 2 which hurt the most
+1
I was there that day in the Athletic grounds........
That was worse
Fermanagh head to Sligo on Sunday.
Should be another good test of where we are at.
Being honest you would have expected 4 points out of our first 2 games.
I would think Sligo will be a step up in standard from Wexford and Offaly.
Corey will have them well drilled and he will know exactly what to expect from Fermanagh.
We are still conceding very soft goals and this has not really been remedied from last year.
At times this year we have looked very strong defensively but individual players seems to be making
Poor decisions especially when we have got a lead of 5 or 6 points up.
Seamie Quigley hopefully should be over the flu but Sean played very well last week.
Would be interesting to see an we accommodate both of them in the same team with Conal Jones at full forward as well.
Ryan Jones should be back after suspension which will be a big help around the middle and Micky Jones looked very good last week at corner back. Good to have him back.
Can't see Tomas or Ruairi Corrigan starting on Sunday as they have not played a minute this year yet. But it would be good to see them make the bench.
Fermanagh need to win this game on Sunday. Would set them up well going into the break and with Derry to play next at home, it could leave them well set for promotion.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 02:10:34 AM
I really enjoyed today and it was a pretty good win. Yes there's lots to work on but there were loads of positives for me. It was much better than I expected. I think having Ross in the FB was absolutely crucial. Even if he's not fully up to speed he's just so good and a true leader.....he continues to do amazing things. We were physically much smaller in the middle of the field but worked hard to overcome that disadvantage. I liked that lads role their sleeves up and were happy to do the dirty work which often goes unnoticed. That's crucial. Defensively we mostly had a good shape when we got set up but if Wexford got forward quickly we were a little porous. Also at times in the second half when we were well set we seemed to let them in too easily for scores. I saw enough though to suggest this is a work in progress and will get better as we go along. Certainly looked better than anything I saw in the last few years....lads clearly knew their roles.
In attack we did some good work but some of the players mentioned were disappointing. Coen had an excellent game and will be very important for us as the year progresses. Murf started well spraying a lot of good ball into the FF line and got a cracking goal but as the game went on he made a few uncharacteristic mistakes. I feel he's not being helped by being moved around the formation so much. Personally I feel he should be left inside.....he's at his most effective in there relative to who'd replace him. I certainly think he put in a decent shift all told though. Wouldn't say he was poor by any means. Hughes didn't have one of his better days, strangely losing his footing very often when getting set to challenge for high balls. Marren got on a lot of ball but with the exception of one really excellent quick transfer to Carrabine seemed intent on going for his own score or coming back out to where the pass came from. I suppose he has learned the lesson that points after your name makes it hard for you to be dropped!
The two wing forwards as mentioned and Luke Nicholson were notable performers for me. Also one of Eoin McHugh's better games, still has a lot to offer. Ewing has really developed into a first class player for us, he's just a lynchpin. To be fair though it was decent all over. Lots to build on. We'll need to improve for tougher tests ahead but I'm encouraged.
Would agree with a lot of this.
A good confidence booster for the young lads and you can see there is a lot of potential there when they get used to the physicality of the senior game.
McGuinness and Nicholson certainly look like they will be mainstays for the future, how ready they are now is debatable but I think it's fair to say they would still be the best options available in the county at present in those positions.
I was very impressed with Carrabine and he could have a lot to offer. Watching Sligo in recent years you can see new players have been tried out but they haven't been good enough by and large, we've got a very talented batch of young players coming through now, it may take time for them to adapt but for the first while in a long time the future is beginning to look up.
Ross was brilliant and even at his age he still has a lot to offer. Credit to the likes of Donovan, Harrison, Marren, Egan etc - they could easily have thrown the towel in, playing for Sligo over the past few years was never going to be rewarding but I think they have helped the young players settle in and this could be vital for the future of the team.
As regards Murphy, it would probably suit his game playing inside more but the problem is we can't afford to play him inside, we have other good options inside but we are really lacking players around the middle of the field.
Hopefully McDonnell returns soon and Cian Breheny can stay fit.
Pitch inspection tomorrow morning at 9 for Fermanagh and Sligo.
Fermanagh v Sligo off due to waterlogged pitch
Very disappointing but an outrageous amount of rain fell yesterday and it was wet to begin with.
Pitch declared fine for Armagh game
Although it's snowing in the cathedral city at the moment
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 11, 2018, 09:20:18 AM
Very disappointing but an outrageous amount of rain fell yesterday and it was wet to begin with.
Yes serious rain.
Good to see they made the call early.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 04, 2018, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: FermGael on February 04, 2018, 10:04:36 PM
It's been nearly 15 years Tony.
Time to move on.....
Not quite fourteen years actually. Don't know about anyone else, but it still haunts me.
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Always view that one as the one that got away.
Mayo in the semi, couldn't have lived with us at our best.
Kerry in the final, who knows
I will be interested to see how the Athletic grounds pitch holds up today, I would have thought this game should have been cancelled.
A win today would virtually guarantee we go up, Longford are flying so hoping for a good game and of course an armagh win.
Derry Offaly game is off
Longford up by 3 at halftime
My arse is frozen but we're ahead so fingers crossed. No sign of Tony Fearon. Is he tall?
I'd imagine you'd hear him before you saw him.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 11, 2018, 02:52:46 PM
My arse is frozen but we're ahead so fingers crossed. No sign of Tony Fearon. Is he tall?
Round
5 mins left, Longford 3 up. Armagh very, very wasteful.
Armagh 1 up 5 mins into injury time.
Feck it. We blew it but then Armagh had shocking wides
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 11, 2018, 03:45:44 PM
Feck it. We blew it but then Armagh had shocking wides
How did Longford lose that.
Armagh need to learn how to shoot cos some of their wides were awful.
Exciting end to the game but we stole that. Great goal from Rafferty tho
Longford will be disappointed not to get something from this. Armagh's poor shooting wasting plenty of possession, but you won't see many goals better than Rafferty's.
Shamrock I missed you! Don't know how Longford lost that one.I'm sure you saw the Cathedral and the school right beside it on the hill.That's St Pat's College mine and Barry Devlin of Horslips old school though he was a few years before me.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 11, 2018, 04:39:02 PM
Shamrock I missed you! Don't know how Longford lost that one.I'm sure you saw the Cathedral and the school right beside it on the hill.That's St Pat's College mine and Barry Devlin of Horslips old school though he was a few years before me.
We scored more. That's how it works
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 11, 2018, 03:45:44 PM
Feck it. We blew it but then Armagh had shocking wides
Was sitting beside four Longford people, they were right, they deserved at least the draw if not the win but conceded Armagh missed enough chances to win three games, tactically Armagh were a disaster with the extra man and we often had four men back when there was only the Longford FF in out half, and we were very slow to get men forward.
It was a niggly game, a few poor tackles by both sides and you had the standard baffling decisions from the referee, there was not a whole pile of quality on offer but the last ten to fifteen minutes were nerve jangling and the crowd really helped us over the line.
I felt bad for Longford, they played hard but I think the first half killed them, they were content to fart about with the ball in the half back line when playing with the wind and downhill, they would have won this if they had been mosr ambitious, anyhow, a perfect start for us and it is hard to see who is going to stop us from winning the division or at least gaining promotion, albeit a year late.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 11, 2018, 04:39:02 PM
Shamrock I missed you! Don't know how Longford lost that one.I'm sure you saw the Cathedral and the school right beside it on the hill.That's St Pat's College mine and Barry Devlin of Horslips old school though he was a few years before me.
Imagine missing The Plague by a few years....lucky Barry!
Poor enough today. The pitch is the worst I have seen it since the new Athletic Grounds opened. Longford are no bad team but they spend a lot of time playing in triangles with little progress. They are well organised and will be pushing for promotion. I was the other end of the field so not sure if penalty was right or not but Donaghy looked incensed. To be fair it looked a penalty from where I sat.
That is the worst Armagh have played this year but they ground out a victory. The strike from Rafferty for the goal was worth paying in for. Last year Armagh would not have ground out a result. It wasn't pretty in the last few minutes but Mccory has obviously brought a bit of something to the table.
Armagh were awful today and somehow won a game we scarcely deserved to get a point from. I thought that Longford were the better team for the most part and will be massively disappointed not to have gotten at least a draw. Had they not had a man sent off, I think they would have won. Despite having two impressive wins so far, Armagh are still Division 3 team which means they can't be relied on to be consistent. Our play today was ridden with errors, inaccuracy and bad decision making. Some of the wides we hit from frees were absolutely awful and could have cost us. Ethan Rafferty was our stand out player today and there wasn't really anyone else who made much of an impression. I thought that today we really missed our best forwards that aren't available. We needed to have that bit of skill and craft to open them up and we didn't have it. Ethan Rafferty is a monster and can barge his way over a lot of players, but that isn't a tactic that will work against the best teams, which is one worry I have for later in the year. But we won, remain unbeaten, are still top and look like we're going to get promoted, so that's a positive. That type of performance may also be useful as reminder to the team that they can't take anything for granted and we have to perform in each game. It doesn't just happen, you have to work hard for it. Hopefully we will see a better performance against Offaly.
It's the strangest feeling going to a match hoping not to be slaughtered and then coming away disappointed that you didn't win.
God I would have savoured the victory - but down a man for 25+ mins had to eventually cost us.
It was an enjoyable game - hardly great quality - but enough to keep the heart racing.
Did the ref feck us in the end? Was it a free out for us just before Armagh got the goal? I dunno. Look it was a frantic finish with cards galore and it was hard to keep up with it all. We lost, but we died with the boots on.
I missed saying hello to forum lads here. I was in the centre of the main stand. Beside some Armagh auld wans who seem to think opposition players can only step once with the ball.
I'll be hearing "SCHTEPS REF" in me dreams.
Night!
I would love to say we're looking good for a respectable League. Next game is home v Wexford. Armagh should have no trouble against Offaly.
I was sitting beside the father of a famous ex Armagh player and the names and expletives he called every Armagh player all day was unbelievable.Then he said calmly to me at the end "It was great to get a win there!"😂😂
A win is a win for Armagh and the type of grind out win that is more useful moving forward to what should be promotion and league final in Croke park.
Exactly.We had three points only (and a home defeat to Laois) after three games last year with all the big names
How much did geezer drop to the ref ????
I spoke to Denis Connerton tonight and have never heard a ,manager as deflated about refereeing
Quote from: Orchard park on February 11, 2018, 10:59:46 PM
How much did geezer drop to the ref ????
I spoke to Denis Connerton tonight and have never heard a ,manager as deflated about refereeing
The ref made a lot of baffling decisions. Some benefitted Longford
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 11, 2018, 11:02:39 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on February 11, 2018, 10:59:46 PM
How much did geezer drop to the ref ????
I spoke to Denis Connerton tonight and have never heard a ,manager as deflated about refereeing
The ref made a lot of baffling decisions. Some benefitted Longford
A minority I'm told but the complaint wasnt on bias alone it was on ineptitude as a starting point
Quote from: Orchard park on February 11, 2018, 10:59:46 PM
How much did geezer drop to the ref ????
I spoke to Denis Connerton tonight and have never heard a ,manager as deflated about refereeing
That is scandalous. The referee gave poor decisions against both teams. The red card was for 2 high tackles and both black cards were correct. Armagh had a couple of black cards too. Longford would be better concentrating on improving their tackling. They had a few other neck high tackles too. The free at the end mentioned on tv is one that you get some days and not on other days. Truth is Longford played well Armagh didn't but got lucky and won.
24 vs 12 frees I think Longford stats show this % of frees conceded has never happened under Denis Connerton before.......
And before you get on yiur high horse the comment 're geezer paying off the ref off was in jest. ( though if he did its claimed back already)
Quote from: Orchard park on February 11, 2018, 11:15:54 PM
24 vs 12 frees I think Longford stats show this % of frees conceded has never happened under Denis Connerton before.......
And before you get on yiur high horse the comment 're geezer paying off the ref off was in jest. ( though if he did its claimed back already)
I still believe Longford committed a serious amount of stupid fouls. The referee did not have a great game in my opinion but the suggestion that he favoured Armagh is wide of the mark. We can also quote statistics all night. Longford scored 1-5 out of 110 from frees. Armagh scored 2 out of 1.11. I think Geezer quoted that Armagh scored 12 out of 34 scoring chances. That gives Armagh things to work on. Longford should lick their wounds and walk on. They still have a great chance of promotion. I hope we meet in league final.
Nah. I don't fully subscribe to the manager's assessment. Being there and being with other Longford folk there was no sense that the ref was riding us. Farrell deserved his two yellows for two awkward challenges. Shur, he knew it himself. One black card actually improved things and one happened so late it was immaterial.
What DOES seem to be true and, I am putting on the tin foil hat for this one, is that any time Longford play Ulster opposition, especially away, is that it's always an Ulster ref. Always. Now so what, you may say.....but some can get paranoid that all ye Ulster boys stick together!
Perhaps it's a subtle revenge for us inflicting Derek Fahy and John Bannon on ye :-\
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How much did geezer drop to the ref ????
I spoke to Denis Connerton tonight and have never heard a ,manager as deflated about refereeing
The ref made a lot of baffling decisions. Some benefitted Longford
A minority I'm told but the complaint wasnt on bias alone it was on ineptitude as a starting point
His ineptitude benefitted both teams at various points. As has been said, all cards given were correct. Longford may feel hard done by over our goal and for that I don't blame them, he did seem to take too many steps
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 12, 2018, 08:46:57 AM
Nah. I don't fully subscribe to the manager's assessment. Being there and being with other Longford folk there was no sense that the ref was riding us. Farrell deserved his two yellows for two awkward challenges. Shur, he knew it himself. One black card actually improved things and one happened so late it was immaterial.
What DOES seem to be true and, I am putting on the tin foil hat for this one, is that any time Longford play Ulster opposition, especially away, is that it's always an Ulster ref. Always. Now so what, you may say.....but some can get paranoid that all ye Ulster boys stick together!
Perhaps it's a subtle revenge for us inflicting Derek Fahy and John Bannon on ye :-\
Didn't Wally Flood get a few inter-county games back in the day - we will never get Karma after that ... :o
Westmeath made hard work of beating a very poor Wexford in a bitterly cold Wexford Park yesterday. It might have been sunny but no warmth found its way into the stand. It would have been much more comfortable if we had taken any of the goal opportunities that presented themselves. We have steadily declined performance wise since the Derry game and we need to turn the ship around if we want to maintain our chances of promotion. Armagh are as good as up seeing as all their wins have come against 3 of the other 4 teams who have points on the board. Our next three games will see us join them or fade away out of contention.
Positives were the fielding and scoring from Heslin, a class act but we really need a better plan for our kickouts than lump it out to him. Luke took some nice points too but serious questions remain about his temperament, himself and Kelly had words back and forth at one stage in the second half when both should know better. Martin played well in patches, Jimmy Dolan made some hard runs and lads need to get their heads as I don't think they found him once. Good if not surprising to see Cooroon back on the field, less than 2 week after getting his appendix out.Good to see Gonoud back too.
You'd always take a 3 point win down in Wexford Park especially more so when you don't play particularly well. But they are in a bad way and are nearly unquestionably heading back to Division 4. Ben Brosnan looks a shadow of his former self and they are missing Lyng in a big way.They are missing their support too, who are probably concentrating on just the hurling. Two weeks now for Westmeath to turn the ship around, a win over Sligo will set us up for a good crack at promotion, lots to work on.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 12, 2018, 08:46:57 AM
Nah. I don't fully subscribe to the manager's assessment. Being there and being with other Longford folk there was no sense that the ref was riding us. Farrell deserved his two yellows for two awkward challenges. Shur, he knew it himself. One black card actually improved things and one happened so late it was immaterial.
What DOES seem to be true and, I am putting on the tin foil hat for this one, is that any time Longford play Ulster opposition, especially away, is that it's always an Ulster ref. Always. Now so what, you may say.....but some can get paranoid that all ye Ulster boys stick together!
Perhaps it's a subtle revenge for us inflicting Derek Fahy and John Bannon on ye :-\
Sure a Cavan man would never give Armagh anything!
Wasn't at the game but going on the highlights on LS we got away with the goal on two counts - foul on the defender and too many steps.
That said, we got so many ridings from referees last year that we are due the karma payback.
Speaking of brutal refs - one blessing from being in division 3 is that Paddy Neilan now seems to be a division 1/2 assignment so we can't be afflicted by his special version of officiating.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 12, 2018, 10:51:50 AM
Wasn't at the game but going on the highlights on LS we got away with the goal on two counts - foul on the defender and too many steps.
That said, we got so many ridings from referees last year that we are due the karma payback.
Speaking of brutal refs - one blessing from being in division 3 is that Paddy Neilan now seems to be a division 1/2 assignment so we can't be afflicted by his special version of officiating.
+1
Sligo v Fermanagh refixed for next Sunday at 2pm in Markievicz Park.
Offaly v Derry game which was called of late yesterday will now take place this coming Sunday at 2pm in Celtic Park, Derry
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Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 12, 2018, 08:46:57 AM
Nah. I don't fully subscribe to the manager's assessment. Being there and being with other Longford folk there was no sense that the ref was riding us. Farrell deserved his two yellows for two awkward challenges. Shur, he knew it himself. One black card actually improved things and one happened so late it was immaterial.
What DOES seem to be true and, I am putting on the tin foil hat for this one, is that any time Longford play Ulster opposition, especially away, is that it's always an Ulster ref. Always. Now so what, you may say.....but some can get paranoid that all ye Ulster boys stick together!
Perhaps it's a subtle revenge for us inflicting Derek Fahy and John Bannon on ye :-\
Sure a Cavan man would never give Armagh anyone anything!
Never a truer word said.
Wasn't able to get to our match yesterday but it sounds as though it was a rather fortuitous victory. Whilst I would have sympathy for the Longford folk here, it's not something I think we should beat ourselves up over, as this time last year we went through a league campaign where absolutely nothing went right from start to finish. I get a sense from listening to reports that it was not unlike our victory over Tipperary in the Athletic Grounds three years ago. Hopefully that is a good omen for the rest of the league.
If the match helps to bring a dose of reality into where exactly Armagh are in terms of development, then it may prove even more valuable than simply the two points gained over a potential promotion rival.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 12, 2018, 11:05:23 PM
Wasn't able to get to our match yesterday but it sounds as though it was a rather fortuitous victory. Whilst I would have sympathy for the Longford folk here, it's not something I think we should beat ourselves up over, as this time last year we went through a league campaign where absolutely nothing went right from start to finish. I get a sense from listening to reports that it was not unlike our victory over Tipperary in the Athletic Grounds three years ago. Hopefully that is a good omen for the rest of the league.
If the match helps to bring a dose of reality into where exactly Armagh are in terms of development, then it may prove even more valuable than simply the two points gained over a potential promotion rival.
Well put Rufus, I ran into Eamon at the game yesterday, we both thought we deserved at least a point from the game and the good news is that we are now winning games we would have lost two to three seasons ago, and that despite some of our best players being awol. Young Rafferty can take a score, damn. )
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 12, 2018, 11:05:23 PM
Wasn't able to get to our match yesterday but it sounds as though it was a rather fortuitous victory. Whilst I would have sympathy for the Longford folk here, it's not something I think we should beat ourselves up over, as this time last year we went through a league campaign where absolutely nothing went right from start to finish. I get a sense from listening to reports that it was not unlike our victory over Tipperary in the Athletic Grounds three years ago. Hopefully that is a good omen for the rest of the league.
If the match helps to bring a dose of reality into where exactly Armagh are in terms of development, then it may prove even more valuable than simply the two points gained over a potential promotion rival.
Ye beat us by 30 points. Hardly a disaster.
Derry (v Offaly): Oran Hartin; Michael McEvoy, Kevin Johnston, Ruairi Mooney; Michael Bateson, Carlus McWilliams, Conor Doherty; Conor McAtamney, Emmett Bradley; Padraig McGrogan, Enda Lynn (C), Benny Heron; Peter Hagan, Terence O'Brien, Niall Toner. Subs: Ben McKinless, Aaron Bradley, Declan Cassidy, James Kielt, Mark Lynch, Conor McCluskey, Danny Tallon.
Derry have nemaed a panel of just 22 players.
Pep taken over Derry?
Quote from: FermGael on February 17, 2018, 10:35:24 AM
Derry (v Offaly): Oran Hartin; Michael McEvoy, Kevin Johnston, Ruairi Mooney; Michael Bateson, Carlus McWilliams, Conor Doherty; Conor McAtamney, Emmett Bradley; Padraig McGrogan, Enda Lynn (C), Benny Heron; Peter Hagan, Terence O'Brien, Niall Toner. Subs: Ben McKinless, Aaron Bradley, Declan Cassidy, James Kielt, Mark Lynch, Conor McCluskey, Danny Tallon.
Derry have nemaed a panel of just 22 players.
Pep taken over Derry?
Cork footballers haven't named a full 26 for any of their league games this year.
Maybe the upcoming Slaughneil v Nemo game has something to do with it?
Fermanagh neat Sligo by 5 . Typical ulster shyte defensive play but I suppose it works.
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 18, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
Fermanagh neat Sligo by 5 . Typical ulster shyte defensive play but I suppose it works.
Fermanagh did enough without really having to get out of second gear.
It was not pretty but was effective.
Have not got a clue what the Sligo game plan was to be honest.
Tougher games now lie ahead starting with Derry next Saturday night.
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 18, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
Fermanagh neat Sligo by 5 . Typical ulster shyte defensive play but I suppose it works.
Honestly - if that's the impression you got from Ocean FM you need to write an email to ask the station to change their commentary team. There was only one team who had an attacking plan in this game and unfortunately it wasn't Sligo. I'll give a more in depth write up later.....frustrating and not good enough in parts but I'm still positive overall. Aido and Kevin Mc back is huge for us. We've a lot to work on but we have to be realistic. Fermanagh are a good side who are going well. This game won't define our league.
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 18, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
Fermanagh neat Sligo by 5 . Typical ulster shyte defensive play but I suppose it works.
I suppose the 2-17 armagh racked up against you was typical Ulster shyte defensive play too?
No- Armagh play more open football.
It sounded like it was 15 behind the ball at all times for Fermanagh, which is what Gallagher did with Donegal. No debate on who were the better team, I'm just tired of not seeing open football anymore.
Agree with you Seanie on the future, Aido is a great addition and great to see McDonnell back.
Congrats Fermanagh - keep it open...
Sounded like? So you weren't actually at the game?
From a Sligo perspective I could sense the over reaction to today before I made my way to the exit after the final whistle. I'm not quite that downbeat. Going in there today I thought it a tough ask against a team that is going very well. We've a few major players only just back in the fold and a lot of young lads getting blooded. In that context, being 3 points down heading into injury time was not too bad.
Big disappointment was our attacking play. Whatever plan we had simply didn't work but what we saw out there made no sense. Personally I felt it was a day to try a few long deliveries into Murphy and Hughes but instead we had Hughes and wing forward struggling with the Fermanagh number 5 and Murphy eventually drifting out the field. His point, Sligo's 4th, was an example of what could have worked but when we did have targets inside we were too slow either coming out from the back or deciding to play it in. This needs a lot of work. I think we need to be more direct and quicker and think it's within the group to improve hugely here. Would have liked to see more of Finian Cawley and Sean Carrabine. Was slightly surprised to see both them and McHugh subbed when they were but perhaps there were injuries or factors not obvious to me.
Positives? Defensively, we looked solid for the most part and tackled fairly and honestly. This builds on what I thought I'd seen in the Wexford game. Fermanagh were pretty impressive and fast getting the ball moved up the field but we got set up much quicker than against Wexford. We needed to as Fermanagh were dangerous inside with Jones and Quigley. Thought our FB line coped pretty well....McGuinness and Nicholson doing well again. Was great to see Adrian McIntyre back and he had a fine game. He lost a ball which looked tired but I wouldn't have taken him off. Had a huge influence for us especially when you consider he's only back. Also just brilliant to see Kevin McDonnell back. 3 games in a week for him.....great to see after all his injury woes. Liam Gaughan's cameo as a sub was extremely promising, he has massive potential. We're in a much better place numbers wise that we were at the start of the league.
For us it's about survival. The games look tough but we need to eke out a win or two and I just have a feeling that we will. A lot of work to be done though to bring about the improvement I think we can make.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 18, 2018, 08:27:08 PM
From a Sligo perspective I could sense the over reaction to today before I made my way to the exit after the final whistle. I'm not quite that downbeat. Going in there today I thought it a tough ask against a team that is going very well. We've a few major players only just back in the fold and a lot of young lads getting blooded. In that context, being 3 points down heading into injury time was not too bad.
Big disappointment was our attacking play. Whatever plan we had simply didn't work but what we saw out there made no sense. Personally I felt it was a day to try a few long deliveries into Murphy and Hughes but instead we had Hughes and wing forward struggling with the Fermanagh number 5 and Murphy eventually drifting out the field. His point, Sligo's 4th, was an example of what could have worked but when we did have targets inside we were too slow either coming out from the back or deciding to play it in. This needs a lot of work. I think we need to be more direct and quicker and think it's within the group to improve hugely here. Would have liked to see more of Finian Cawley and Sean Carrabine. Was slightly surprised to see both them and McHugh subbed when they were but perhaps there were injuries or factors not obvious to me.
Positives? Defensively, we looked solid for the most part and tackled fairly and honestly. This builds on what I thought I'd seen in the Wexford game. Fermanagh were pretty impressive and fast getting the ball moved up the field but we got set up much quicker than against Wexford. We needed to as Fermanagh were dangerous inside with Jones and Quigley. Thought our FB line coped pretty well....McGuinness and Nicholson doing well again. Was great to see Adrian McIntyre back and he had a fine game. He lost a ball which looked tired but I wouldn't have taken him off. Had a huge influence for us especially when you consider he's only back. Also just brilliant to see Kevin McDonnell back. 3 games in a week for him.....great to see after all his injury woes. Liam Gaughan's cameo as a sub was extremely promising, he has massive potential. We're in a much better place numbers wise that we were at the start of the league.
For us it's about survival. The games look tough but we need to eke out a win or two and I just have a feeling that we will. A lot of work to be done though to bring about the improvement I think we can make.
Armagh got robbed in Sligo last year, absolutely robbed, I would love to see Armagh pound on ye but ya never know.
Quote from: stew on February 18, 2018, 10:36:35 PM
Armagh got robbed in Sligo last year, absolutely robbed, I would love to see Armagh pound on ye but ya never know.
My prediction for this year, Armagh 2-17 Sligo 0-9.
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Quote from: stew on February 18, 2018, 10:36:35 PM
Armagh got robbed in Sligo last year, absolutely robbed, I would love to see Armagh pound on ye but ya never know.
My prediction for this year, Armagh 2-17 Sligo 0-9.
I will go for the same score. Just a hunch.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 19, 2018, 12:02:09 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2018, 11:41:03 PM
Quote from: stew on February 18, 2018, 10:36:35 PM
Armagh got robbed in Sligo last year, absolutely robbed, I would love to see Armagh pound on ye but ya never know.
My prediction for this year, Armagh 2-17 Sligo 0-9.
I will go for the same score. Just a hunch.
Will any bookie take us on, I wonder?
Armagh lads looking for the love I see :-\
Next weekend sees Wexford travel to pearse park.
Have to win this to stay in touch and not get dragged down into a battle.
Mid league predictions from me sees Armagh and Fermanagh up and Wexford and Offaly doomed.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 18, 2018, 07:43:39 PM
Sounded like? So you weren't actually at the game?
Correct Walter, but I was lucky enough to be born with 2 ears and a bit of a brain so when the commentator said 50 times that "Fermanagh have funneled back all 15 players inside the 50", I can make the connection.
It seems Fermanagh are a good outfit, with some really good players, I just hate watching the hand passing and rubbish that goes on around the 45, when the other team have 15 men back. Again, no complaints about who the better team was...
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2018, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 19, 2018, 12:02:09 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 18, 2018, 11:41:03 PM
Quote from: stew on February 18, 2018, 10:36:35 PM
Armagh got robbed in Sligo last year, absolutely robbed, I would love to see Armagh pound on ye but ya never know.
My prediction for this year, Armagh 2-17 Sligo 0-9.
I will go for the same score. Just a hunch.
Will any bookie take us on, I wonder?
Stews bookie might lol
Paudie Hughes down to referee Fermanagh and Derry.
Why would the gaa send an Armagh man to do this ?
Surely they can see a potential conflict of interest .
Quote from: FermGael on February 19, 2018, 11:30:44 PM
Paudie Hughes down to referee Fermanagh and Derry.
Why would the gaa send an Armagh man to do this ?
Surely they can see a potential conflict of interest .
Insane, i remember one of the Duffy's reffing a match which had direct consequences on us but i'm told no one would of known where they were from lol
Just seeing who is progressing from the club to county matches with the GAA genuinely shocks me what refs are working there way up the ladder
Just seen we have Patrick Maguire from Longford, could be something similar but don't think so,neither of us really going for promotion
I sympathise to both fermanagh & derry supporters for having Paudie Hughes this weekend, however, if there is a possible conflict of interest who does fermgael think paudie might favour??
Armagh had a Roscommon referee when playing Sligo last year and a Clare referee when playing tipp in the last league match last year. It's division 3, nobody gives a sh*t. More reason to get out of it
In all fairness Paudie will rob both of you and will show no favouritism...lol. Fermanagh have nothing to worry about, sure you're home to Derry...handy 2pts :P
In our game against Wexford we had Laverty from Antrim and he was really good. Unfortunately a rare occurrence but credit where it's due.
Can't remember the name of the guy from last Sunday but he was from Carlow and he was awful.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 20, 2018, 09:08:35 AM
In our game against Wexford we had Laverty from Antrim and he was really good. Unfortunately a rare occurrence but credit where it's due.
Can't remember the name of the guy from last Sunday but he was from Carlow and he was awful.
I always found Paudie to be fair enough TBH, he's just very fussy and doesn't let too much go. Just needs to let the game flow a bit more, don't worry he'll be grand.
Hope ye all get Mooney from Cavan at some stage ::)
As long as we don't get Neilan again I will be happy. Or that Kerryman who reffed us against Westmeath last Summer
Neilan is very bad, hate seeing him coming.
Quote from: FermGael on February 19, 2018, 11:30:44 PM
Paudie Hughes down to referee Fermanagh and Derry.
Why would the gaa send an Armagh man to do this ?
Surely they can see a potential conflict of interest .
paudie will show no favouritism, he`s from cross so he hates Armagh also ;)
Quote from: naka on February 20, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
paudie will show no favouritism, he`s from cross so he hates Armagh also ;)
;D
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 20, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
As long as we don't get Neilan again I will be happy. Or that Kerryman who reffed us against Westmeath last Summer
Here's a neutral's observation of that Kerryman's performance http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27979.msg1712435#msg1712435 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27979.msg1712435#msg1712435)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 22, 2018, 09:29:31 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 20, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
As long as we don't get Neilan again I will be happy. Or that Kerryman who reffed us against Westmeath last Summer
Here's a neutral's observation of that Kerryman's performance http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27979.msg1712435#msg1712435 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27979.msg1712435#msg1712435)
I remember that at the time. I disagreed then and I still disagree now. Admittedly, I may be biased
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 22, 2018, 11:00:14 AM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 22, 2018, 09:29:31 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 20, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
As long as we don't get Neilan again I will be happy. Or that Kerryman who reffed us against Westmeath last Summer
Here's a neutral's observation of that Kerryman's performance http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27979.msg1712435#msg1712435 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27979.msg1712435#msg1712435)
I remember that at the time. I disagreed then and I still disagree now. Admittedly, I may be biased
+1
I also remember him refereeing Laois v Armagh part 2 in 2016. He managed to yellow card Aidan Forker for getting punched in the groin! His sending off of Aaron Findon near the end still remains a mystery. To be fair to him though that year you could have booked either of them at the start of the game as they were always going to do something silly !
Big defining weekend ahead...any predictions folks
You'd have to expect Westmeath to beat us. Our performance level would need to go up a couple of notches to win that one. Same can be said of Offaly against Armagh, even with home advantage. I'd go for Fermanagh over Derry though they didn't really put us away despite their superiority the last day. Longford at home should have too much for Wexford. Sligo, Offaly, Derry and Wexford would need to improve a good bit on there they've been so far to get a win this weekend. looks like relegation is between those 4.
if predictions are right and Fermanagh, Armagh, Longford and Westmeath win it will be an interesting last few games with 3 teams on 6pts and one on 8pts, the three on six play each other so it gives these games a bit of championship bite, with Fermanagh also playing Armagh they have the toughest run in on paper .
Are the Sligo lads alright for directions Sunday? It's only been 30 years since they've visited, 29 since we beat them in the league, lots of ground to be made up.
https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/ (https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/)
Weekend Predictions:
Sat
Fermanagh v Derry Fermanagh
Sun
Westmeath v Sligo Westmeath
Longford v Wexford Longford
Offaly v Armagh Armagh
Nothing too controversial there in my predictions.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 23, 2018, 03:40:38 PM
Are the Sligo lads alright for directions Sunday? It's only been 30 years since they've visited, 29 since we beat them in the league, lots of ground to be made up.
https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/ (https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/)
Unfortunately I won't be making the trip. Will have to rely on the vagaries of Ocean FM's commentary. What's your local radio station Croi....might listen via them instead.
Funny sequence there with so all games in the last 30 years in Sligo venues. Hope we can keep the winning run going....badly need some points.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 23, 2018, 03:44:36 PM
Weekend Predictions:
Sat
Fermanagh v Derry Fermanagh
Sun
Westmeath v Sligo Westmeath
Longford v Wexford Longford
Offaly v Armagh Armagh
Nothing too controversial there in my predictions.
Would agree with those predictions
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 23, 2018, 03:59:32 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 23, 2018, 03:44:36 PM
Weekend Predictions:
Sat
Fermanagh v Derry Fermanagh
Sun
Westmeath v Sligo Westmeath
Longford v Wexford Longford
Offaly v Armagh Armagh
Nothing too controversial there in my predictions.
Would agree with those predictions
+1
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 23, 2018, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 23, 2018, 03:40:38 PM
Are the Sligo lads alright for directions Sunday? It's only been 30 years since they've visited, 29 since we beat them in the league, lots of ground to be made up.
https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/ (https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/)
Unfortunately I won't be making the trip. Will have to rely on the vagaries of Ocean FM's commentary. What's your local radio station Croi....might listen via them instead.
Funny sequence there with so all games in the last 30 years in Sligo venues. Hope we can keep the winning run going....badly need some points.
Midlands Radio 3, Will O'Callaghan in the studio is very good, does a bit with Off The Ball now as well. Gerry Russell probably providing the agricultural commentary, although he's taking the Tony O'Donoghue approach to post match interviews these days. https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/performance-today-wasnt-good-enough (https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/performance-today-wasnt-good-enough)
Ah results; i drown my sorrows in the enniskillen clubhouse before the game lol
FIrst game after the break. This is traditionally the graveyard of the punters as teams improve and results are skewed from form.
Let me know when the Derry Team turn up !!!
Fermanagh 1-12 Derry 1-03 at HT.
Quote from: FermGael on February 24, 2018, 07:43:01 PM
Fermanagh 1-12 Derry 1-03 at HT.
Were Fermanagh playing with the wind?
Fermanagh twice as fit: are playing actual men not cubs, and by far got the strongest midfield in Ulster! But dont worry our Goalkeeper will still kick it out to midfield all nite long@ Derry v Wexford the game to see whos going to Division 4!@
There aint no wind!!and its aint the goalkeepers fault: i presume hes playing to instruction!
No. They are playing in third gear.
Tight now
Only 2 points in it, injury time. 1-16 to 3-8.
That was the final score. Ferm by 2.
Fermanagh tried their best to lose that
Ye let us back into a game we had no right to be in last week too.
An excellent first half last night from Fermanagh followed by a shocking second half.
We were flying in the first half.
1-8 to no score up and Derry were all over the shop.
We conceded a silly goal before half time from a quick free. Exact same as the goals Derry
scored last year but we recovered to go in 9 or 10 up at half time.
Start of the second half our goalkeeper decided to make a game if it.
Missed one in the air and it sailed into the back of the net and about a minute later kicked one from
his hands straight to a Derry forward who buried it.
We were then in bother. We went back into a defensive shell and invited Derry into us.
They had another goal chance they missed and Fermanagh were very glad of the final whistle.
Why the Derry management did not start Benny Herron and Danny Tallon amazed me because they made
a very nice noticeable difference in the second half.
Being honest we still have not really played anybody we would not expect to bear.
Derry were poor and only for our keeper giving them a lifeline, we were 10 points the better team.
What is worrying is that we are getting good leads on teams and then sitting back and letting them back into games.
It has happened against Derry, Sligo and Offally in the second half.
We play Westmeath, Armagh and Longford in that order.
If our second half performances don't improve we will not get promoted.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 23, 2018, 05:34:04 PM
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 23, 2018, 03:40:38 PM
Are the Sligo lads alright for directions Sunday? It's only been 30 years since they've visited, 29 since we beat them in the league, lots of ground to be made up.
https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/ (https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/)
Unfortunately I won't be making the trip. Will have to rely on the vagaries of Ocean FM's commentary. What's your local radio station Croi....might listen via them instead.
Funny sequence there with so all games in the last 30 years in Sligo venues. Hope we can keep the winning run going....badly need some points.
Midlands Radio 3, Will O'Callaghan in the studio is very good, does a bit with Off The Ball now as well. Gerry Russell probably providing the agricultural commentary, although he's taking the Tony O'Donoghue approach to post match interviews these days. https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/performance-today-wasnt-good-enough (https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/performance-today-wasnt-good-enough)
Today will tell us a lot about where sligo is at. I like the team we have picked, great to see two players in midfield that I would consider natural midfielders (Oconnor and mcDonnell), Cian Breheny in forwards will inject some much needed pace. Hughes And okelly not starting, great to see young Liam Gaughan in there. I wouldn't be surprised if we pulled off an upset, even if we lose, I think it won't be by much.
Fingers crossed..
Longford 1-09
Wexford 0-07
Wexford down to 14
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 25, 2018, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 23, 2018, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 23, 2018, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 23, 2018, 03:40:38 PM
Are the Sligo lads alright for directions Sunday? It's only been 30 years since they've visited, 29 since we beat them in the league, lots of ground to be made up.
https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/ (https://westmeathgaa.ie/westmeath-footballers-look-to-maintain-their-promotion-seeking-momentum/)
Westmeath with a flattering 6 pt win. Better team won but we had them on the ropes with 5 mins left, twice Westmeath cleared goal bound shots which would have tied it.
Some positives to take away but some players didn't get going.
Lots of criticism of the ref from ocean fm commentators. We are in trouble but we are improving and I think we do enough to stay up
Unfortunately I won't be making the trip. Will have to rely on the vagaries of Ocean FM's commentary. What's your local radio station Croi....might listen via them instead.
Funny sequence there with so all games in the last 30 years in Sligo venues. Hope we can keep the winning run going....badly need some points.
Midlands Radio 3, Will O'Callaghan in the studio is very good, does a bit with Off The Ball now as well. Gerry Russell probably providing the agricultural commentary, although he's taking the Tony O'Donoghue approach to post match interviews these days. https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/performance-today-wasnt-good-enough (https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/performance-today-wasnt-good-enough)
Today will tell us a lot about where sligo is at. I like the team we have picked, great to see two players in midfield that I would consider natural midfielders (Oconnor and mcDonnell), Cian Breheny in forwards will inject some much needed pace. Hughes And okelly not starting, great to see young Liam Gaughan in there. I wouldn't be surprised if we pulled off an upset, even if we lose, I think it won't be by much.
Fingers crossed..
Result
Longford 1-12
Wexford 0-09
Not a great game but, with 6 points, the first priority of staying in the Div, is all but assured.
Armagh by 6 in the end(1-15 to 1-9)
A dreadful sesond half by both with only 9 points scored
But a wins a win.
Quote from: naka on February 25, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
Armagh by 6 in the end(1-15 to 1-9)
A dreadful sesond half by both with only 9 points scored
But a wins a win.
The radio commentary was hilarious, at one point yer man had ELO singing a song by I think Mannfred Mann, he was all over the shop, entertaining and to be fair, Armagh were very solid and but for some wayward shooting (again) We would have won by another cricket score.
Good to see Offally on the rie again, they went at it hammer and tongs and fought til the end, good luck to them the rest of the way, their schedule gets easier from here on out.
Listened to the Down game on we are ulster today then swapped to the armagh tv 'commentary' for our game. The difference in what was provided was, eh, startling. I 'listened' to the rest of the game on twitter.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 25, 2018, 05:28:10 PM
Listened to the Down game on we are ulster today then swapped to the armagh tv 'commentary' for our game. The difference in what was provided was, eh, startling. I 'listened' to the rest of the game on twitter.
+1
Much of the commentary was being lost to shout outs to anyone who had texted in or liked on Facebook.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 25, 2018, 05:28:10 PM
Listened to the Down game on we are ulster today then swapped to the armagh tv 'commentary' for our game. The difference in what was provided was, eh, startling. I 'listened' to the rest of the game on twitter.
Why would an Armagh man listen to a Down game over his own teams game?
I thought yer man was drunk at first, he was all over the place and I enjoyed the craic, the actual commentary itself was rough to say the least but for the league he was grand as nobody really gives a shite compared to championship football.
Down game was on first.
I disagree on the quality. If Armagh tv are going to go to the trouble I'm sure it takes to broadcast this then surely they should endeavour to do the front facing part as well as possible. It's awful and I was genuinely happier to get score updates and comment on twitter than to endure that.
Maybe it was the direct comparison with we are ulster effort on the down game that emphasised the contrast.
4 wins from 4 games for Armagh and a fairly routine win against Offaly this afternoon. 2nd half 0-4 each less said about that the better.
Seems we played reasonably well but the free scores granted to them by our kickout were hard to overcome. An obvious thing that has not been dealt with by successive managers....the mind boggles. At least last week nearly all the kickouts went long so we lost possession far away from goal as opposed to in the scoring area or out over the sideline.
3 more games and at least one win required. I'm hopeful we might eke out one or two wins. Next weekend could be fun weather wise.
Heard Corey said on the radio that Rooney was gone. Bit of a surprise.
Squeaky bum time in Div 3.
Armagh have to travel to Enniskillen and Wexford but host Derry next week (with Slaughneil players back perhaps)
Fermanagh have tricky away games to Longford and Westmeath as well as the home tie agin Armagh.
Longford have a trip to Sligo and home games v Westmeath and Fermanagh.
Westmeath welcome Fermanagh, away to Longford and then a wrap up with a visit by Offaly.
So it could be a major traffic jam at the top by the time the dust settles. Anyone brave enough to call it?
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 26, 2018, 07:50:18 AM
Seems we played reasonably well but the free scores granted to them by our kickout were hard to overcome. An obvious thing that has not been dealt with by successive managers....the mind boggles. At least last week nearly all the kickouts went long so we lost possession far away from goal as opposed to in the scoring area or out over the sideline.
3 more games and at least one win required. I'm hopeful we might eke out one or two wins. Next weekend could be fun weather wise.
Heard Corey said on the radio that Rooney was gone. Bit of a surprise.
I was quite impressed with yere kickouts actually Seanie, thought they gave ye a foothold in the game along with winning the majority of our long ones. Yes a few went out over the sideline, 3 that I can recall off the top of my head, but in the main we couldn't get a hand on them. Numerous times ye worked the ball quickly out of a short kickout into your D, bypassed our massed ranks in the middle and were able to then attack our exposed defence.
If we were comprehensively beaten in the kickout battle I thought we were the better team in open play. We looked to stretch the play when attacking and negotiated the sweeper, sometimes double sweeper, with ease. We still have a lot of work to do on taking our goal chances, that's 2 games in a row where we missed numerous gilt edged chances. Was great to see Ger Egan back kicking points over for fun and Jimmy Dolan as well as running through the gears got an absolute belter from under the stand. Disappointing to see Callum go off so early, looked like his eye was in for the day, hopefully just a strain. Luke popped up with his usual few points too but as did Kieran Martin but the reserves aren't putting them under enough pressure for my likening.
There seems to be 2 divisions within this division, a top 4 and a bottom 4. The 3 games we've won have come against the bottom 4 and we didn't fare too well against the one top 4 team we've played so next Sunday's game against Fermanagh will tell us where we really are. If we can win that we are rightly in the promotion hunt, lose and we can start preparing for Division 3 football again next year, should be a right good game and if anything like the support that was in Breffni Park a few years ago travels down it be a cracking atmosphere too.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 26, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
Armagh have to travel to Enniskillen and Wexford but host Derry next week (with Slaughneil players back perhaps)
I very much doubt if there will be games next week if there is 30cm of snow on Friday.
A postponement would almost certainly mean that the Derry would have the Slaughneil players back (unless they want to open a coffee shop in New York or something). However, Armagh have some injuries also that could benefit from an extra week.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2018, 10:07:05 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 26, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
Armagh have to travel to Enniskillen and Wexford but host Derry next week (with Slaughneil players back perhaps)
I very much doubt if there will be games next week if there is 30cm of snow on Friday.
A postponement would almost certainly mean that the Derry would have the Slaughneil players back (unless they want to open a coffee shop in New York or something). However, Armagh have some injuries also that could benefit from an extra week.
would Armagh be good enough to beat Tyrone this summer? the teams seem to be going in opposite directions
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2018, 10:33:46 AM
would Armagh be good enough to beat Tyrone this summer? the teams seem to be going in opposite directions
I don't think the teams have gone in opposite directions since last year, Armagh are doing better than last year in the league and Tyrone are not exactly pulling up trees. But I doubt if Armagh have done much to close the gap.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 26, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
So it could be a major traffic jam at the top by the time the dust settles. Anyone brave enough to call it?
Very difficult to call. I can't work out all the mathematical permutations, but it has to be two from Armagh, Fermanagh, Longford and Westmeath. For Armagh, there is a real bonus in that the other three all have to play each other and thus points will be dropped. Indeed Fermanagh's last three games are likely to be their toughest, as they face us, Longford and Westmeath.
Armagh though do not fill me with confidence and I do not see them going the whole league with a 100% record.
Very difficult to predict, but if I was forced to call it I would say Armagh and Longford to go up, with Longford beating Armagh in the final.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2018, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2018, 10:33:46 AM
would Armagh be good enough to beat Tyrone this summer? the teams seem to be going in opposite directions
I don't think the teams have gone in opposite directions since last year, Armagh are doing better than last year in the league and Tyrone are not exactly pulling up trees. But I doubt if Armagh have done much to close the gap.
Tyrone are 5/4 to win ulster
https://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football
I don't think they have performed at that level so far
Quote from: armaghniac on February 26, 2018, 10:07:05 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 26, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
Armagh have to travel to Enniskillen and Wexford but host Derry next week (with Slaughneil players back perhaps)
I very much doubt if there will be games next week if there is 30cm of snow on Friday.
A postponement would almost certainly mean that the Derry would have the Slaughneil players back (unless they want to open a coffee shop in New York or something). However, Armagh have some injuries also that could benefit from an extra week.
The O'Byrne Cup will be completed after the championship at this rate...
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 26, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
Squeaky bum time in Div 3.
Armagh have to travel to Enniskillen and Wexford but host Derry next week (with Slaughneil players back perhaps)
Fermanagh have tricky away games to Longford and Westmeath as well as the home tie agin Armagh.
Longford have a trip to Sligo and home games v Westmeath and Fermanagh.
Westmeath welcome Fermanagh, away to Longford and then a wrap up with a visit by Offaly.
So it could be a major traffic jam at the top by the time the dust settles. Anyone brave enough to call it?
Armagh are in my view as good as promoted as they have already beaten 2 of the chasing pack. Longford probably favourites for the other spot as their games against the other 2 contenders are at home. Followed by Fermanagh as they have maximum points on the board already and Armagh will surely have promotion secured and will be resting players for the last round game against them.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on February 26, 2018, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 26, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
Squeaky bum time in Div 3.
Armagh have to travel to Enniskillen and Wexford but host Derry next week (with Slaughneil players back perhaps)
Fermanagh have tricky away games to Longford and Westmeath as well as the home tie agin Armagh.
Longford have a trip to Sligo and home games v Westmeath and Fermanagh.
Westmeath welcome Fermanagh, away to Longford and then a wrap up with a visit by Offaly.
So it could be a major traffic jam at the top by the time the dust settles. Anyone brave enough to call it?
Armagh are in my view as good as promoted as they have already beaten 2 of the chasing pack. Longford probably favourites for the other spot as their games against the other 2 contenders are at home. Followed by Fermanagh as they have maximum points on the board already and Armagh will surely have promotion secured and will be resting players for the last round game against them.
we have wexford last game out
I think Armagh and Fermanagh will take the promotion spots.
Offaly and Wexford are fcuked.
Longford had a bad day at the office yesterday, even though we won. Wexford are horrid poor by all accounts. Not sure if they are as bad as Offaly.
No offence to the Sligo lads I think we'll beat Sligo but will find it tough v Fermanagh in our last game. Westmeath..........well anything could happen here as it's a local derby and lads will be rizzed. There is no safely predicting this but if gun was to head I would put the few bob on Westmeath as John Heslin is hard to manage and I am not sure we have the lads to manage him.
But my one wish was to stay up and not be thinking of the Londons and Leitrims in 2019 so it's bonus territory now.
A bit of pressure will do any of the 4 teams at the top the world of good. Think Fermanagh will drop points with their tough run of games. Armagh are perched nicely but Derry potentially at full strength and Fermanagh away can change that very quickly for them.
Armagh and Fermanagh for promotion is my prediction at this stage.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on February 26, 2018, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 26, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
So it could be a major traffic jam at the top by the time the dust settles. Anyone brave enough to call it?
Very difficult to call. I can't work out all the mathematical permutations, but it has to be two from Armagh, Fermanagh, Longford and Westmeath. For Armagh, there is a real bonus in that the other three all have to play each other and thus points will be dropped. Indeed Fermanagh's last three games are likely to be their toughest, as they face us, Longford and Westmeath.
Armagh though do not fill me with confidence and I do not see them going the whole league with a 100% record.
Very difficult to predict, but if I was forced to call it I would say Armagh and Longford to go up, with Longford beating Armagh in the final.
Thanks for the kiss of death, Rufus.
Armagh and Westlucan for me, I'd say, with Armagh to win the final.
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 26, 2018, 02:37:05 PM
Thanks for the kiss of death, Rufus.
Armagh and Westlucan for me, I'd say, with Armagh to win the final.
;D
Didn't get to see our match with yerselves Billy, but I know a lot of our ones were quite impressed. I think Longford will take both Westmeath and Fermanagh at home which should be enough to see youse over the line!
It's Armagh & Fermanagh for me but really is a hard one to call...Longford are usually good at home and hard to beat there so just a guess until that game takes place. Armagh wheels could easily fall off too, three tough games left.
Quote from: illdecide on February 26, 2018, 03:56:28 PM
It's Armagh & Fermanagh for me but really is a hard one to call...Longford are usually good at home and hard to beat there so just a guess until that game takes place. Armagh wheels could easily fall off too, three tough games left.
Havent seen any of Fermanagh's games thus far but 4 wins from 4 speaks for itself.
However, Longford have been the best team we have played so far - going solely on performances against us - and I think they have a good chance of promotion. Fermanagh will obv be there or there abouts too but their last 3 games are their tiughest
Armagh V Derry tough one as Derry need points. Fermanagh V Armagh most probably Fermanagh will be the better side but Armagh will nick this game as they usually do against Fermanagh.Two points virtually assured against Wexford,hard to believe Armagh V Wexford was the Div 1 Final not too long ago
Quote from: T Fearon on February 26, 2018, 11:12:05 PM
hard to believe Armagh V Wexford was the Div 1 Final not too long ago
13 years ago!
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on February 27, 2018, 04:29:49 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 26, 2018, 11:12:05 PM
hard to believe Armagh V Wexford was the Div 1 Final not too long ago
13 years ago!
Going by our form at the minute it's harder to believe that Derry have been in 3 Div 1 finals since then, most recently in 2014.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 26, 2018, 11:12:05 PM
Armagh V Derry tough one as Derry need points. Fermanagh V Armagh most probably Fermanagh will be the better side but Armagh will nick this game as they usually do against Fermanagh.Two points virtually assured against Wexford,hard to believe Armagh V Wexford was the Div 1 Final not too long ago
funnily enough I think Armagh could lose next 2 and still get promoted if they beat wexford
I can't see anything other than a horrible tetchy all Ulster affair against Fermanagh which will be very much 50/50. IF the Derry match was going to go ahead this Saturday evening I would fancy Armagh as the Slaughtneil players looked as if they are in a bad need of a break and Derry are going poorly at the minute. If Derry were to get snared in a relegation battle further down the line and Armagh didn't play them until then I'd imagine McKaigue, Rodgers and the other lads would be pulled in and Armagh wouldn't get it as easy. Armagh's promotion is not as cast iron as the media would have you believe.
Markers
Armagh are going up that I am confident of.
Hopefully game goes ahead on Saturday as amoff the drink and need to be preoccupied
Quote from: naka on February 27, 2018, 07:13:15 PM
Markers
Armagh are going up that I am confident of.
Hopefully game goes ahead on Saturday as amoff the drink and need to be preoccupied
Naka you should know if there is a hard way of doing something Armagh will find it, Armagh are down a fair bit of quality from last season (without being too unfair to the current players) but for me they're beating teams down to their commitment, stubbornness and pure desire to do well in the Armagh Jersey, of course they have quality players there too but they have a lot of young lads who will need a year or two to gain the experience and hopefully they'll get it in Div 2 next year.
Quote from: naka on February 27, 2018, 07:13:15 PM
Markers
Armagh are going up that I am confident of.
Hopefully game goes ahead on Saturday as amoff the drink and need to be preoccupied
If you are about Armagh you would need to get working with the shovel, although Armagh won't get as much snow as places to the South East.
Quote from: armaghniac on February 28, 2018, 12:00:29 PM
Quote from: naka on February 27, 2018, 07:13:15 PM
Markers
Armagh are going up that I am confident of.
Hopefully game goes ahead on Saturday as amoff the drink and need to be preoccupied
If you are about Armagh you would need to get working with the shovel, although Armagh won't get as much snow as places to the South East.
I do not see how our game is played this weekend, which is a shame as night games are always good craic at the home of Tyrone Championship matches. )
Things aren't too bad around here just yet. If we get any sort of a thaw Saturday Sligo might be fine. There hasn't ben much snow and not an awful lot forecast. Some games will get cancelled though so they might do a rework of the calendar and do a blanket call off.
Croc what are the chances of the Westmeath game going ahead ?
All NFL games off this weekend.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 01, 2018, 12:33:38 PM
All NFL games off this weekend.
Well done, that had to happen and they did it early enough, player safety comes first and fans dont need to be on the roads when they are this shite.
correct decision
Derry manager Damian McErlain plans to see out the remainder of their Allianz FL Division 3 campaign minus the services of the Slaughtneil contingent.
Nemo Rangers brought the curtain down on Slaughtneil's All-Ireland Club SFC adventure last Saturday but the Oak Leaf boss is prepared to let vice-captain Brendan Rogers and his five club-mates sit out the final three rounds of the league in a bid to have them fresh for the championship.
"We can't rush them back," he told The Belfast Telegraph.
"We want them coming back and being an addition for us. If you are forcing men back who are just after a long season like that - in fact, they are not after one long season, they are after two long seasons - and two years in a row of that, mentally and physically, there is going to be a toll on them.
"They need to normalise their lives a bit, for a few weeks anyway and see where that takes them. For us, it is more about them."
Hope he sticks to that!
Honestly Derry are the worst team we have played all year.
If that story is true, Derry at 4-1 to be relegated is worth a punt
Quote from: FermGael on March 05, 2018, 09:56:56 AM
Honestly Derry are the worst team we have played all year.
If that story is true, Derry at 4-1 to be relegated is worth a punt
If that is true this is a great decision by a manager who puts the welfare of the players first, what a concept! Fair play to him.
They'll play against us in the last game if they're in danger of the drop.
Quote from: FermGael on March 04, 2018, 11:10:34 PM
Derry manager Damian McErlain plans to see out the remainder of their Allianz FL Division 3 campaign minus the services of the Slaughtneil contingent.
Nemo Rangers brought the curtain down on Slaughtneil's All-Ireland Club SFC adventure last Saturday but the Oak Leaf boss is prepared to let vice-captain Brendan Rogers and his five club-mates sit out the final three rounds of the league in a bid to have them fresh for the championship.
"We can't rush them back," he told The Belfast Telegraph.
"We want them coming back and being an addition for us. If you are forcing men back who are just after a long season like that - in fact, they are not after one long season, they are after two long seasons - and two years in a row of that, mentally and physically, there is going to be a toll on them.
"They need to normalise their lives a bit, for a few weeks anyway and see where that takes them. For us, it is more about them."
respect, a manager who doesn't want to flog players.
fair play to him.
welfare first, an alien concept in the GAA.
Gerry McGowan and Paul Rouse have been added to the Sligo management team. Have heard nothing but positive comments about Gerry so it's clearly a good thing he is getting involved. He will continue with Tourlestrane also. Don't know a lot about Rouse, think he was with Dromore and Ardboe in recent times in Tyrone. Hopefully we can kick on and get a few wins.
That's good news Seanie. Important to have at least one local involved. Gerry will be a great addition. We need a good performance on Sunday if we are to rattle Longford. If we can get a hold at midfield,cut out the silly turnovers and improve kick outs we have a chance. Is a game we really need to win as our score diff is not good.
I believe Longford will be missing Mickey Quinn the next few games due to him getting married! Will be hard to plug the centre back gap - perhaps it's time for the Bull Masterson to shine once more.
Armagh's fixture v Derry is in paper for Sat evening with a 7:00 throw in but nothing on GAA.ie website about it...Is it safe to assume Sat evening is a go...just need to make plans for it
Quote from: illdecide on March 06, 2018, 11:22:02 AM
Armagh's fixture v Derry is in paper for Sat evening with a 7:00 throw in but nothing on GAA.ie website about it...Is it safe to assume Sat evening is a go...just need to make plans for it
its on the GAA website as 7 on Sat night. It's in the article called This Week's Allianz League Fixtures
Quote from: FermGael on March 04, 2018, 11:10:34 PM
Derry manager Damian McErlain plans to see out the remainder of their Allianz FL Division 3 campaign minus the services of the Slaughtneil contingent.
Nemo Rangers brought the curtain down on Slaughtneil's All-Ireland Club SFC adventure last Saturday but the Oak Leaf boss is prepared to let vice-captain Brendan Rogers and his five club-mates sit out the final three rounds of the league in a bid to have them fresh for the championship.
"We can't rush them back," he told The Belfast Telegraph.
"We want them coming back and being an addition for us. If you are forcing men back who are just after a long season like that - in fact, they are not after one long season, they are after two long seasons - and two years in a row of that, mentally and physically, there is going to be a toll on them.
"They need to normalise their lives a bit, for a few weeks anyway and see where that takes them. For us, it is more about them."
Don't be buying the spin, the players are the ones dictating this, Mc Erlain has no choice but to bend the knee. Infact I predict he will do well to have half of the s'neil players he selected staying on the panel.
I think they played 1 hurling game and 1 football game in 3 months! Hardly burn out as county teama been training past 2 months at least! Why they were selected on the original panel beats me
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 06, 2018, 07:58:31 PM
I think they played 1 hurling game and 1 football game in 3 months! Hardly burn out as county teama been training past 2 months at least! Why they were selected on the original panel beats me
Christ but you are the ultimate hurler on the ditch. These boys have been going flat out for a long time. You ever start a season in November and keep her lit until the following september? It's a fair old stint. Now put yourself in the Slaughtneil men's shoes. Training session after training session, mentally preparing for the big games. Imagine going at it for pretty much 4 odd years, training right through the winter once you've negotiated your own county championship. You then prepare flat out for the best teams in the other counties, then provincial, then back to club and round and round we go, and many of them going at it in 2 codes! A few weeks rest is what these boys need, whether it's their decision or Mackers. Flogging the shite out of them isn't what they need.
Never mind the emotional crushing blow that the defeat(s) bring.
Squeaky bum time now in the Division, looking forward to Armagh v Derry game on Sat. Games will be a lot tougher from now on-wards as teams are getting closer to Championship pace and fighting to avoid relegation etc. I think if Armagh beat Derry on Sat night it will set them up for promotion even if Fermanagh were to beat them the following week, I still think Derry will be ok too from relegation as i'll expect them to win their last two games (nothing guaranteed I know)
Armagh v Derry could be a really good game. The extra week off following the bad weather may well see some of the key Slaughneil players coming back in for Derry, which should make a difference to them. From what I've heard, Derry haven't been great so far and have a big rebuild job on their hands. Armagh should look forward to a stern test against a fellow Ulster team. We've done well so far and the last win against Longford was a huge one. We played terribly and won a game we didn't deserve to. I expect another tough encounter here. Derry always play well against us, no matter what their form is. I'd expect the same on Saturday night. If we can get back to playing to how we were before Longford, then I think we should have too much for them. Another win should really tighten our grip on promotion.
Longford coming to visit on Sunday. Despite the final scoreline I think we didn't do too badly against Westmeath but I suspect Longford are a better side again so we'll need to really up it in this one. It should be obvious what our problems are so hopefully we've addressed some of them. I also hope the upheaval and new faces results in a positive reaction. 3 awkward games left.....need at least one win and possibly more.
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on March 08, 2018, 05:19:43 PM
Armagh v Derry could be a really good game. The extra week off following the bad weather may well see some of the key Slaughneil players coming back in for Derry, which should make a difference to them. From what I've heard, Derry haven't been great so far and have a big rebuild job on their hands. Armagh should look forward to a stern test against a fellow Ulster team. We've done well so far and the last win against Longford was a huge one. We played terribly and won a game we didn't deserve to. I expect another tough encounter here. Derry always play well against us, no matter what their form is. I'd expect the same on Saturday night. If we can get back to playing to how we were before Longford, then I think we should have too much for them. Another win should really tighten our grip on promotion.
Not according to our manager. Armagh should beat us handily enough at the minute.
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on March 08, 2018, 05:19:43 PM
Armagh v Derry could be a really good game. The extra week off following the bad weather may well see some of the key Slaughneil players coming back in for Derry, which should make a difference to them. From what I've heard, Derry haven't been great so far and have a big rebuild job on their hands. Armagh should look forward to a stern test against a fellow Ulster team. We've done well so far and the last win against Longford was a huge one. We played terribly and won a game we didn't deserve to. I expect another tough encounter here. Derry always play well against us, no matter what their form is. I'd expect the same on Saturday night. If we can get back to playing to how we were before Longford, then I think we should have too much for them. Another win should really tighten our grip on promotion.
Not according to our manager. Armagh should beat us handily enough at the minute.
not if we play as we have in the last 2 games
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on March 08, 2018, 05:19:43 PM
Armagh v Derry could be a really good game. The extra week off following the bad weather may well see some of the key Slaughneil players coming back in for Derry, which should make a difference to them. From what I've heard, Derry haven't been great so far and have a big rebuild job on their hands. Armagh should look forward to a stern test against a fellow Ulster team. We've done well so far and the last win against Longford was a huge one. We played terribly and won a game we didn't deserve to. I expect another tough encounter here. Derry always play well against us, no matter what their form is. I'd expect the same on Saturday night. If we can get back to playing to how we were before Longford, then I think we should have too much for them. Another win should really tighten our grip on promotion.
Not according to our manager. Armagh should beat us handily enough at the minute.
I thought that if the game had gone ahead last weekend they wouldn't have played. Not that I wanting them to play this weekend!
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on March 09, 2018, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 09, 2018, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on March 08, 2018, 05:19:43 PM
Armagh v Derry could be a really good game. The extra week off following the bad weather may well see some of the key Slaughneil players coming back in for Derry, which should make a difference to them. From what I've heard, Derry haven't been great so far and have a big rebuild job on their hands. Armagh should look forward to a stern test against a fellow Ulster team. We've done well so far and the last win against Longford was a huge one. We played terribly and won a game we didn't deserve to. I expect another tough encounter here. Derry always play well against us, no matter what their form is. I'd expect the same on Saturday night. If we can get back to playing to how we were before Longford, then I think we should have too much for them. Another win should really tighten our grip on promotion.
Not according to our manager. Armagh should beat us handily enough at the minute.
I thought that if the game had gone ahead last weekend they wouldn't have played. Not that I wanting them to play this weekend!
As a Slaughtneil player I imagine you'd be torn, if you are on the panel you hate the thought of going into division 4, that said you are tired, beaten up and carrying injuroes, the heart would say go play, the head would say rest and heal, that is why the manager is so important here, someone needs to protect the players from themselves and I admire what he is doing.
The McKenna Cup match between Armagh and Derry was close enough.
Derry hi need the win more than Armagh, so i expect the Derry wans to win by 3 or 4 points/
1 (GK) Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Oisin Lappin An Machaire
4 Paul Hughes Raonaithe na Croise
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
7 Joe McElroy Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Ethan Rafferty An Ghráinseach
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 09, 2018, 07:58:35 PM
1 (GK) Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Oisin Lappin An Machaire
4 Paul Hughes Raonaithe na Croise
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
7 Joe McElroy Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Ethan Rafferty An Ghráinseach
Would have liked to see Gavin Mc Parland getting some game time,
No donaghy, shields, nor mc Kay,
Armagh struggling
Derry reeled off 5 points in a row to lead 06 to 1-2
8-7 to Derry at half time
Tbf Armagh have a strange team out
I don't know about 4/5 on the team
Rafferty going off is a blow. Not playing well at all however
Strong second half by Armagh to win by 4
Tbf murnin and Grugan were excellent
That's Armagh promoted.
Quote from: FermGael on March 10, 2018, 08:40:13 PM
That's Armagh promoted.
If Fermanagh win tomorrow are ye up as Well?
Good win for Armagh after average enough 1st half.
You need to win one of your last 2 to be promoted .
You will do that
Beating Wexford doesn't guarantee promotion unless other results go Armagh's way. Beating Fermanagh does. So not home and dry yet.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 10, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
Beating Wexford doesn't guarantee promotion unless other results go Armagh's way. Beating Fermanagh does. So not home and dry yet.
Beating Wexford will guarantee promotion for Armagh.
Quote from: FermGael on March 10, 2018, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 10, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
Beating Wexford doesn't guarantee promotion unless other results go Armagh's way. Beating Fermanagh does. So not home and dry yet.
Beating Wexford will guarantee promotion for Armagh.
No it won't. If Fermanagh beat Armagh and win one of their other two games but to loose to either Westmeath or Longford, three teams could end up on 12.
Scoring the comes into play
Quote from: David McKeown on March 10, 2018, 09:08:17 PM
Quote from: FermGael on March 10, 2018, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 10, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
Beating Wexford doesn't guarantee promotion unless other results go Armagh's way. Beating Fermanagh does. So not home and dry yet.
Beating Wexford will guarantee promotion for Armagh.
No it won't. If Fermanagh beat Armagh and win one of their other two games but to loose to either Westmeath or Longford, three teams could end up on 12.
Armagh have beaten both Westmeath and Longford, if they beat Wexford we are promoted.
Exactly Stew
So much for not playing slaughtneil players !
I took the nephew to his first Armagh game, paid for the tickets and found a tenner at his feet, offere him a pond and he wasnt having it, held out for the fiver and got if if and when Armagh won. )
Coming out of the ground I met the legend that is Tony fearon, an absolute gentleman and we had a bit of a lsugh about the board etc, all in good fun.
I am thrilled we won this game but I saw the young Derry player being taken to hospital, I am concerned for him, he was not well, looks like a severe concussion to me, he did not seem coherentand was very lethargic.
Onwards and upwards, I hope Fermanagh go up with us because to me they are the best team in the division bar ourselves.
He is no legend.
Saw him this morning in the sports biography section of Easons in the Buttercrane. He looked bereft. Didn't speak to him. Cleaning up vomit is an unpleasant task
Quote from: stew on March 10, 2018, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 10, 2018, 09:08:17 PM
Quote from: FermGael on March 10, 2018, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 10, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
Beating Wexford doesn't guarantee promotion unless other results go Armagh's way. Beating Fermanagh does. So not home and dry yet.
Beating Wexford will guarantee promotion for Armagh.
No it won't. If Fermanagh beat Armagh and win one of their other two games but to loose to either Westmeath or Longford, three teams could end up on 12.
Armagh have beaten both Westmeath and Longford, if they beat Wexford we are promoted.
If either Westmeath or Longford win out they will be on 12 points. They will have beaten Fermanagh who can end up on 12 points and we will end up on 12 points (assuming we beat Wexford and loose to Fermanagh. So each team will finish on 12 with one win and one loss in the head to heads. It will then be down to scoring difference. So Armagh are not guaranteed promotion by simply beating Wexford but are if they beat Fermanagh or if they beat Wedford and then Westmeath draw with Longford or if Fermanagh win out
Longford play Westmeath in the next round so both can't win all their remaining games.
Fermanagh also play Westmeath tomorrow and Longford last game.
Quote from: stew on March 10, 2018, 09:25:42 PM
I took the nephew to his first Armagh game, paid for the tickets and found a tenner at his feet, offere him a pond and he wasnt having it, held out for the fiver and got if if and when Armagh won. )
Coming out of the ground I met the legend that is Tony fearon, an absolute gentleman and we had a bit of a lsugh about the board etc, all in good fun.
I am thrilled we won this game but I saw the young Derry player being taken to hospital, I am concerned for him, he was not well, looks like a severe concussion to me, he did not seem coherentand was very lethargic.
Onwards and upwards, I hope Fermanagh go up with us because to me they are the best team in the division bar ourselves.
I was talking to Tony inside the ground, and I think he is enjoying his little sojourn away from GAA Board.
Derry have always got good footballers, but they are not playing as a team like Armagh.
Is this a stalker thread now?
Quote from: LCohen on March 10, 2018, 09:42:14 PM
He is no legend.
Saw him this morning in the sports biography section of Easons in the Buttercrane. He looked bereft. Didn't speak to him. Cleaning up vomit is an unpleasant task
Tony Fearon has made this board since its inception, nobody knows who the hell you are? nor for that matter who I am, Tony is a legend and only a thick tube like yourself would fail to recognise that!
So next time you see see him in Easons in the Buttercrane introduce yourself and tell him what you think of him L Cohen, you cowardly, backstabbling knifer.
That is all. )
Quote from: FermGael on March 10, 2018, 10:32:54 PM
Longford play Westmeath in the next round so both can't win all their remaining games.
Fermanagh also play Westmeath tomorrow and Longford last game.
Yes and provided the winner of it beats Fermanagh and wins their other game they will finish on 12. Fermanagh will finish on 12 if they beat Armagh, loose to that winner and win their other game. Armagh will finish on 12 if they beat Wexford but loose to Fermanagh. In such a scenario it will then be down to scoring difference.
Armagh current have a score difference of +34.
Fermanagh have +20.
Longford have +23
Westmeath have +3.
Unless Armagh decide to take a real hammering I would say you are safe in that regard as well
I saw Tony at the burger stall in Portadown last night. He looked melancholic yet mysteriously optimistic. I didn't speak to him.
The last time Fermanagh played Westmeath in the league was 2004.
Fermanagh went on to play in an all Ireland semi that year and Westmeath won Leinster.
That was in the old 1a,1b,2a,2b system.
As far as I remember Fermmaagh also beat Dublin at home in the league that year.
That old system for the league was great.
Gave smaller counties regular exposure against bigger counties and brought them on.
Stalker league table
Name, Sightings, Actual Contact
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Stew, 1, 1
Orior, 1, 1
O'Neill, 1, 0
BennyCake, 0, 0
Interesting enough match last night. Armagh were short a lot of players with a very inexperienced bench. Then they lost McIlroy and Rafferty early on with Rafferty a particular miss. His injury looked particularly bad. Hopefully he can be fit for championship.
Given the missing players and the sprinkling of Slaughtneil players Derry had back I would not have given Armagh much hope of winning before the game. However Derry were terrible for the most part and will need to improve if they are not to get relegated again.
On another note I assume Derek O Mahoney was relegated to a division 3 match after his club semi final performance. He could be in Division 4 next day out ! His first half performance was particularly eccentric.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 08:57:45 AM
Interesting enough match last night. Armagh were short a lot of players with a very inexperienced bench. Then they lost McIlroy and Rafferty early on with Rafferty a particular miss. His injury looked particularly bad. Hopefully he can be fit for championship.
Given the missing players and the sprinkling of Slaughtneil players Derry had back I would not have given Armagh much hope of winning before the game. However Derry were terrible for the most part and will need to improve if they are not to get relegated again.
On another note I assume Derek O Mahoney was relegated to a division 3 match after his club semi final performance. He could be in Division 4 next day out ! His first half performance was particularly eccentric.
do refs get demoted for poor performances, its usually the case that the more criticism there is the bigger the games they end up getting. All ill say is he isnt someone i enjoy seeing being named to do any of my clubs games down here, can make crazy decisions and very fond of the black card
Quote from: tippabu on March 11, 2018, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 08:57:45 AM
Interesting enough match last night. Armagh were short a lot of players with a very inexperienced bench. Then they lost McIlroy and Rafferty early on with Rafferty a particular miss. His injury looked particularly bad. Hopefully he can be fit for championship.
Given the missing players and the sprinkling of Slaughtneil players Derry had back I would not have given Armagh much hope of winning before the game. However Derry were terrible for the most part and will need to improve if they are not to get relegated again.
On another note I assume Derek O Mahoney was relegated to a division 3 match after his club semi final performance. He could be in Division 4 next day out ! His first half performance was particularly eccentric.
do refs get demoted for poor performances, its usually the case that the more criticism there is the bigger the games they end up getting. All ill say is he isnt someone i enjoy seeing being named to do any of my clubs games down here, can make crazy decisions and very fond of the black card
No black cards but plenty of yellow- some undoubtedly deserved. The problem I had was the amount of frees he gave for very innocent looking challenges. At times you were guessing what frees were for. To be fair I don't feel he favoured either side but players did get frustrated.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 09:06:15 AM
Quote from: tippabu on March 11, 2018, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 08:57:45 AM
Interesting enough match last night. Armagh were short a lot of players with a very inexperienced bench. Then they lost McIlroy and Rafferty early on with Rafferty a particular miss. His injury looked particularly bad. Hopefully he can be fit for championship.
Given the missing players and the sprinkling of Slaughtneil players Derry had back I would not have given Armagh much hope of winning before the game. However Derry were terrible for the most part and will need to improve if they are not to get relegated again.
On another note I assume Derek O Mahoney was relegated to a division 3 match after his club semi final performance. He could be in Division 4 next day out ! His first half performance was particularly eccentric.
do refs get demoted for poor performances, its usually the case that the more criticism there is the bigger the games they end up getting. All ill say is he isnt someone i enjoy seeing being named to do any of my clubs games down here, can make crazy decisions and very fond of the black card
No black cards but plenty of yellow- some undoubtedly deserved. The problem I had was the amount of frees he gave for very innocent looking challenges. At times you were guessing what frees were for. To be fair I don't feel he favoured either side but players did get frustrated.
As a Derry fan among hundreds of Armagh fans I did get a good laugh at the abuse given to the ref "go back to Tipperary ya c**t" and "cheat cheat cheat" at this point yous were four points up.
Quote from: markl121 on March 11, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 09:06:15 AM
Quote from: tippabu on March 11, 2018, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 08:57:45 AM
Interesting enough match last night. Armagh were short a lot of players with a very inexperienced bench. Then they lost McIlroy and Rafferty early on with Rafferty a particular miss. His injury looked particularly bad. Hopefully he can be fit for championship.
Given the missing players and the sprinkling of Slaughtneil players Derry had back I would not have given Armagh much hope of winning before the game. However Derry were terrible for the most part and will need to improve if they are not to get relegated again.
On another note I assume Derek O Mahoney was relegated to a division 3 match after his club semi final performance. He could be in Division 4 next day out ! His first half performance was particularly eccentric.
do refs get demoted for poor performances, its usually the case that the more criticism there is the bigger the games they end up getting. All ill say is he isnt someone i enjoy seeing being named to do any of my clubs games down here, can make crazy decisions and very fond of the black card
No black cards but plenty of yellow- some undoubtedly deserved. The problem I had was the amount of frees he gave for very innocent looking challenges. At times you were guessing what frees were for. To be fair I don't feel he favoured either side but players did get frustrated.
As a Derry fan among hundreds of Armagh fans I did get a good laugh at the abuse given to the ref "go back to Tipperary ya c**t" and "cheat cheat cheat" at this point yous were four points up.
Fair play to you, one of fourteen Derry supporters at the game, the ref was fair to both sides I thought, he was unbiased which is about all you can hope for, that said, Derry bring less fans to games than Kerry do prior to the AIF, and that is hard to do.
The attendance last night was poor altogether, I would have thought given it was a Saturday night game the place would have been near full, not even close.
Ha see to me it seemed a big crowd. You should see the crowds we get at Celtic Park (570 last time out)
Quote from: stew on March 11, 2018, 09:37:30 AM
Quote from: markl121 on March 11, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 09:06:15 AM
Quote from: tippabu on March 11, 2018, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 08:57:45 AM
Interesting enough match last night. Armagh were short a lot of players with a very inexperienced bench. Then they lost McIlroy and Rafferty early on with Rafferty a particular miss. His injury looked particularly bad. Hopefully he can be fit for championship.
Given the missing players and the sprinkling of Slaughtneil players Derry had back I would not have given Armagh much hope of winning before the game. However Derry were terrible for the most part and will need to improve if they are not to get relegated again.
On another note I assume Derek O Mahoney was relegated to a division 3 match after his club semi final performance. He could be in Division 4 next day out ! His first half performance was particularly eccentric.
do refs get demoted for poor performances, its usually the case that the more criticism there is the bigger the games they end up getting. All ill say is he isnt someone i enjoy seeing being named to do any of my clubs games down here, can make crazy decisions and very fond of the black card
No black cards but plenty of yellow- some undoubtedly deserved. The problem I had was the amount of frees he gave for very innocent looking challenges. At times you were guessing what frees were for. To be fair I don't feel he favoured either side but players did get frustrated.
As a Derry fan among hundreds of Armagh fans I did get a good laugh at the abuse given to the ref "go back to Tipperary ya c**t" and "cheat cheat cheat" at this point yous were four points up.
Fair play to you, one of fourteen Derry supporters at the game, the ref was fair to both sides I thought, he was unbiased which is about all you can hope for, that said, Derry bring less fans to games than Kerry do prior to the AIF, and that is hard to do.
The attendance last night was poor altogether, I would have thought given it was a Saturday night game the place would have been near full, not even close.
I would agree he was unbiased but he was poor. Some very baffling decisions. I cringed a bit at the chest chest chest chant but had a laugh at the go home to Tipperary shout
Unfortunately I had to leave the game at half time last night as my daughter was brought in to Craigavon hospital.
At 22:30 I seen the young Derry player who was taken off during the first half sitting outside the x-Ray department in Craigavon. It seemed that he had his mother and father with him.
Was just thinking that with the amount of money spent on preparing county teams if county players couldn't expect their Counties to look after them better than having to go through the local A&E system? Lord knows what time they got away at last night and they they had to drive from Craigavon to somewhere in Derry.
It just didn't seem right to me.
I know that if the injury happened in a club game that's what he would have to do, but it didn't.
Quote from: markl121 on March 11, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 09:06:15 AM
Quote from: tippabu on March 11, 2018, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 11, 2018, 08:57:45 AM
Interesting enough match last night. Armagh were short a lot of players with a very inexperienced bench. Then they lost McIlroy and Rafferty early on with Rafferty a particular miss. His injury looked particularly bad. Hopefully he can be fit for championship.
Given the missing players and the sprinkling of Slaughtneil players Derry had back I would not have given Armagh much hope of winning before the game. However Derry were terrible for the most part and will need to improve if they are not to get relegated again.
On another note I assume Derek O Mahoney was relegated to a division 3 match after his club semi final performance. He could be in Division 4 next day out ! His first half performance was particularly eccentric.
do refs get demoted for poor performances, its usually the case that the more criticism there is the bigger the games they end up getting. All ill say is he isnt someone i enjoy seeing being named to do any of my clubs games down here, can make crazy decisions and very fond of the black card
No black cards but plenty of yellow- some undoubtedly deserved. The problem I had was the amount of frees he gave for very innocent looking challenges. At times you were guessing what frees were for. To be fair I don't feel he favoured either side but players did get frustrated.
As a Derry fan among hundreds of Armagh fans I did get a good laugh at the abuse given to the ref "go back to Tipperary ya c**t" and "cheat cheat cheat" at this point yous were four points up.
It wasn't me. Honest. ;D
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 11, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
Unfortunately I had to leave the game at half time last night as my daughter was brought in to Craigavon hospital.
At 22:30 I seen the young Derry player who was taken off during the first half sitting outside the x-Ray department in Craigavon. It seemed that he had his mother and father with him.
Was just thinking that with the amount of money spent on preparing county teams if county players couldn't expect their Counties to look after them better than having to go through the local A&E system? Lord knows what time they got away at last night and they they had to drive from Craigavon to somewhere in Derry.
It just didn't seem right to me.
I know that if the injury happened in a club game that's what he would have to do, but it didn't.
Unfortunately there sometimes isn't an option I had to sit in that waiting area for 11 hours on Monday because the private a and e on Lisburn Road wouldn't have been able to treat what the GP thought was wrong with me. I imagine this may well have been a similar situation.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 11, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 11, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
Unfortunately I had to leave the game at half time last night as my daughter was brought in to Craigavon hospital.
At 22:30 I seen the young Derry player who was taken off during the first half sitting outside the x-Ray department in Craigavon. It seemed that he had his mother and father with him.
Was just thinking that with the amount of money spent on preparing county teams if county players couldn't expect their Counties to look after them better than having to go through the local A&E system? Lord knows what time they got away at last night and they they had to drive from Craigavon to somewhere in Derry.
It just didn't seem right to me.
I know that if the injury happened in a club game that's what he would have to do, but it didn't.
Unfortunately there sometimes isn't an option I had to sit in that waiting area for 11 hours on Monday because the private a and e on Lisburn Road wouldn't have been able to treat what the GP thought was wrong with me. I imagine this may well have been a similar situation.
I 'm working on the basis that had he been wearing the white Ulster rugby jersey and suffered the same injury he wouldn't have been sent to the local A&E department? I don't actually know if that is the case or not; I just assume it is.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 11, 2018, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 11, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 11, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
Unfortunately I had to leave the game at half time last night as my daughter was brought in to Craigavon hospital.
At 22:30 I seen the young Derry player who was taken off during the first half sitting outside the x-Ray department in Craigavon. It seemed that he had his mother and father with him.
Was just thinking that with the amount of money spent on preparing county teams if county players couldn't expect their Counties to look after them better than having to go through the local A&E system? Lord knows what time they got away at last night and they they had to drive from Craigavon to somewhere in Derry.
It just didn't seem right to me.
I know that if the injury happened in a club game that's what he would have to do, but it didn't.
Unfortunately there sometimes isn't an option I had to sit in that waiting area for 11 hours on Monday because the private a and e on Lisburn Road wouldn't have been able to treat what the GP thought was wrong with me. I imagine this may well have been a similar situation.
I 'm working on the basis that had he been wearing the white Ulster rugby jersey and suffered the same injury he wouldn't have been sent to the local A&E department? I don't actually know if that is the case or not; I just assume it is.
Sometimes there just isn't somewhere else to go.
Was the injured Derry player the one who was hit by Morning?
There was a few calls to the ref by some people registering their dissatisfaction with his performance. I bet the same people could not referee a match themselves
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 11, 2018, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 11, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 11, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
Unfortunately I had to leave the game at half time last night as my daughter was brought in to Craigavon hospital.
At 22:30 I seen the young Derry player who was taken off during the first half sitting outside the x-Ray department in Craigavon. It seemed that he had his mother and father with him.
Was just thinking that with the amount of money spent on preparing county teams if county players couldn't expect their Counties to look after them better than having to go through the local A&E system? Lord knows what time they got away at last night and they they had to drive from Craigavon to somewhere in Derry.
It just didn't seem right to me.
I know that if the injury happened in a club game that's what he would have to do, but it didn't.
Unfortunately there sometimes isn't an option I had to sit in that waiting area for 11 hours on Monday because the private a and e on Lisburn Road wouldn't have been able to treat what the GP thought was wrong with me. I imagine this may well have been a similar situation.
I 'm working on the basis that had he been wearing the white Ulster rugby jersey and suffered the same injury he wouldn't have been sent to the local A&E department? I don't actually know if that is the case or not; I just assume it is.
Where else would he go? If he needed an X-ray, CT scan or MRI on a Saturday night then the good old NHS is virtually the only option and Craigavon can be a zoo after hours as it becomes overrun by sheer numbers, too many with cases that should be turned away to the on-site out of hours GP. His only other option would have been Altnagelvin and its no better than Craigavon except it does turn away some of those who need a GP and send them to the on-site out of hours GP.
As David says the only private A&E is in Kingsbridge in Belfast is a fairly lightweight option for those with minor injuries and anyone with anything more severe is sent on the the RVH. Money doesn't buy emergency medicine, the private sector just skims off the elective medicine and simple cases.
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2018, 12:58:56 PM
Was the injured Derry player the one who was hit by Morning?
There was a few calls to the ref by some people registering their dissatisfaction with his performance. I bet the same people could not referee a match themselves
Correct. And I will be first to admit it. Hard enough refereeing an under 8 match. You will note everyone is saying he was fair. The problem I have is that the authorities seem determined to promote officious referees instead of those who let the game flow but get most big decisions right. The referee last night has had a number of big games but had a poor match last night in my opinion. And as for shouts from the crowd. People get emotional at matches and say things they wouldnt when thinking rationally. It is why we love sport.
Ocean FM boys depressed already. Sligo 14 behind ball. Sole pt for Longford
Sligo 0-00
Longford 0-03
Sligo 0-01
Longford 0-05
18 mins gone
Sligo 0-05
Longford 0-05
Rally back from Sligo with the aid of a good breeze.
29 gone in first half
Longford have gone to pot!
Sligo 0-09
Longford 0-05
Half time
Great 15 mins from our lads, terrible first 20. Big breeze for Longford in second half will be tough but at least we have started to play some great scores. Longford are dangerous, should be a tight second half, we need the points
Rip roaring second half
Sligo 0-12
Longford 2-07
Sligo 0-14
Longford 2-07
Sligo 0-14
Longford 2-09
Sligo 0-17
Longford 2-11
Sligo 0-17
Longford 2-12
Into added time :-\
That's it - a draw.
Sounded like a great second half shamrock. Wide open, the goals killed us. Probably a fair result in the end. Our backs need to tighten it up a bit. Sligo showed a lot of resolve and are on the up in my opinion.
Westmeath 0-02 Fermanagh 0-07 half time
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 11, 2018, 03:42:43 PM
Sounded like a great second half shamrock. Wide open, the goals killed us. Probably a fair result in the end. Our backs need to tighten it up a bit. Sligo showed a lot of resolve and are on the up in my opinion.
Hopefully Sligo are on the rise, Longford are no mugs, we caught ye early, I hope Sligo stay up.
Big result for West Meath if rte right
They must have reeled off some scores as last I checked they were 4 down
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 11, 2018, 03:42:43 PM
Sounded like a great second half shamrock. Wide open, the goals killed us. Probably a fair result in the end. Our backs need to tighten it up a bit. Sligo showed a lot of resolve and are on the up in my opinion.
Yes Sligoman2 - I think a draw was a fair result as either side had chances at the end.
Westmeath did well cos it looked hopless. Great tweet for the WH twitterman thanking all the mammies for raising such great lads.
Promotion spot 2 all to play for.
Quote from: naka on March 11, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
Big result for West Meath if rte right
They must have reeled off some scores as last I checked they were 4 down
Was at it. Westmeath were very good in the second half. The goal looked like winning it for Fermanagh but Westmeath got 6 in a row to win by 2. Heslin moving from midfield (where outside of catching kickouts he was poor) to full forward changed the game. Fermanagh very organised and well drilled, but struggled in the middle third in the second half. Also, on the rare occasion a Fermanagh back was left one on one, the Westmeath forward was able to expose far too easily.
Quote from: Orior on March 11, 2018, 08:39:59 AM
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Very similar pattern for Fermanagh today
Very good first half and then poor in the second half.
It's been the pattern all year
We lost Eoin Donnelly as he didn't come out for the second half and that was crucial.
He had been dominating around the middle and had been the hub for Fermanagh in the first half.
With him gone nobody stepped up and we retreated defensively.
The red card for Cian McManus was also critical.
With the man advantage plus the wind Westmeath picked us off.
Heaslin is a class act but we have only ourselves to blame.
The last 4 points all came from defensive mistakes where we gave away possession or
conceded needless frees.
Massive game next weekend against Armagh.
Eoin Donnelly's needs to be playing .
Longford's persistence with passing the ball backways and across the field should have cost them today. 5-1 up against the wind after 20 mins then allow Sligo 10 unanswered points to go 6 points down before they finally woke up again . Comical umpiring at the town end as a Longford effort which the goalie attempted to catch as it went over the bar was waved wide by the 2 clowns either side of the post . Thankfully the linesman put it right. After going a point up we reverted to try and play keep ball and gave it away allowing Sligo to deservedly equalize. A HUGE game awaits against Westmeath now . James Mc Givney is a huge loss . Would have got us a point or 2 today. Either the Sligo backs were brilliant not fouling or Longford's were woefull as we scored 2 from frees while Sligo got 8 . Cannot afford a repeat next Sunday with Heslin around .
What a roller coaster. After being terribly annoyed and angry with our pathetic setup and play for the first 15-20 minutes the transformation was incredible. One of our players roared over to the dugout "can we push up, can we push up" and Sligo did and it totally changed the game. Our lads were allowed to play football and showed that they can. Far from faultless and the two goals came about far too easily but overall it was encouraging and a very committed display from our lads. At times Longford looked really good especially early on when they patiently recycled the ball before picking their moment and playing a neat ball to open up our 14 man defence. When we took them on though we were as good as them in the main and richly deserved a point. I really think our management need to get more clued in though.....some of the substitutions and messing with kickouts are hard to understand and really it's stuff management should have sorted by now.
Was pretty disappointed with the officials. As the previous poster mentioned there was a ridiculous delay over awarding a clear point to Longford and it summed a patchy game by the officials. I know we did get a lot of scoreable frees but there were two obvious ones in the second half not given that resulted in Longford points. I did think our backs were more disciplined in their tackling but I there were funny decisions all day. The red card was correct though.....can't meet a guy with the elbow like that (though it is often missed).
Massive game next week in Tullamore against a resurgent Offaly. A win and we're safe, lose and we're in awful trouble. I'm much more optimistic than before today but it's going to be a huge battle down there.
That was a great win for Armagh on Saturday night against a game Derry side. At this stage of the league, it's just about winning games and securing promotion. The depth of our panel is really being tested and guys who were on the periphery on the team are having to step up, which they did the other night. It's great to see McGeeney putting his faith in young players and them responding. It's taken a couple of years and a lot of frustration, but I think we are starting to see the results of McGeeney's persistence. Losing Ethan Rafferty is a real worry. He's got the main bulk of our scores to date, with Grugan and Murnin supporting him. Having lost Stefan Campbell and Jamie Clarke at the start of the season, we were always going to be light on scoring forwards and Rafferty had really stepped up to the plate to replace them. Without him in the team, other players will need to step forward and fill the void. It's vital that he's back for Championship.
Next weekend's game against Fermanagh could be a real gutting match. Win that and I think we will have secured promotion. With Fermanagh losing this weekend and with Armagh travelling to Enniskillen for their Championship encounter, they will want to lay down a marker. They are a good side and matches between the two sides over the last few years have been heated enough and I imagine the next one will be no different.
I felt that we were exceptionally poor in the first half on Saturday evening. It was like a hangover from the second half in Tullamore. There was a good turnaround in the second half with some good scores taken.
The loss of Rafferty is massive. We are now completely reliant on Grugan and Murnin. It's dangerous to be so reliant on such an injury prone player as Murnin. Grugan's form has been patchy also (evidenced by his poor attempt when one-on-one with the keeper) but there were signs of improvement in the second half.
I feel Niall Rowland has received some rough treatment by management. He was one of our better players last year in the league and didn't get a run in the championship. Why did he not start on Saturday evening? He helped turn the game when he came on.
As Patrick says above Sunday will be a typical tetchy all Ulster affair. When you have Ryan McMenamin and Rory Gallagher on the line you know what's coming. This Armagh team have struggled to break down blanket defences and that's what they'll be facing on Sunday. Rafferty's ability to take long range points will be sorely missed.
Mackers what is his injury...
illdecide, it's reported to be a knee injury.
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 12, 2018, 01:12:36 PM
illdecide, it's reported to be a knee injury.
it was a knee injury but the worry is that its a cartilage or other season ending injury, hopefully just a bang on the knee
Quote from: naka on March 12, 2018, 02:10:43 PM
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 12, 2018, 01:12:36 PM
illdecide, it's reported to be a knee injury.
it was a knee injury but the worry is that its a cartilage or other season ending injury, hopefully just a bang on the knee
I would expect it certainly to be the end of the league for him. Fingers crossed for championship.
Quote from: shark on March 11, 2018, 05:05:57 PM
Quote from: naka on March 11, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
Big result for West Meath if rte right
They must have reeled off some scores as last I checked they were 4 down
Was at it. Westmeath were very good in the second half. The goal looked like winning it for Fermanagh but Westmeath got 6 in a row to win by 2. Heslin moving from midfield (where outside of catching kickouts he was poor) to full forward changed the game. Fermanagh very organised and well drilled, but struggled in the middle third in the second half. Also, on the rare occasion a Fermanagh back was left one on one, the Westmeath forward was able to expose far too easily.
One of the best league matches I've been to in years. Great support from the travelling Fermanagh contingent, loud and passionate but you never felt it was going to go somewhere it shouldn't like some visitors in recent years.
It was a tale of two different approaches in the first half, Fermanagh played with the heads up and their first option was to give the ball to the man in the better position. Ours was to take an unnecessary solo or two with the head down before looking to move it on or take it into contact. With the result the inside forwards received no ball in and we invariably were overturned on the 45. Footwear choice seemed poor on our side as well as numerous players lost their footing as opposed to Fermanagh. Heslin was as guilty on both of these points as all the others but his catches in that first half will be what he'll be remembered for. That catch in front of the stand where he rotated in midair and caught it falling backwards was the best catch I have seen in any code in any sphere. Never mind being up there with all the great Gaelic football catches. It's a crying shame RTE didn't have a camera there to capture it. Breath still not back
We addressed this to some degree in the second half and showed great heart to keep plugging away. The goal would have ripped the heart out of most teams but we kept chipping away and we got some reward in injury time. Heslin going inside offered us a serious threat in there and balls were sent his way that weren't sent inside in the first half. The sending off probably decided the game IMO, we seemed to get in and around them easier with a man less in their defensive zone. The last 10 minutes was worth the admission price alone and the early cheers from the terrace were quickly amplified in the stands. Been a while since there was such a passionate atmosphere in Cusack Park, great to hear.
FermGael, only saw your PM there, trust you got parked up ok and result not withstanding enjoyed your visit to Mullingar.
Derry have been very disappointing.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 12, 2018, 04:51:22 PM
Great support from the travelling Fermanagh contingent, loud and passionate but you never felt it was going to go somewhere it shouldn't like some visitors in recent years.
Arlene obviously didn't make it to this one then.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 12, 2018, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 12, 2018, 04:51:22 PM
Great support from the travelling Fermanagh contingent, loud and passionate but you never felt it was going to go somewhere it shouldn't like some visitors in recent years.
Arlene obviously didn't make it to this one then.
I wonder if any Westmeath fans made it to their home game this time
Quote from: armaghniac on March 12, 2018, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 12, 2018, 04:51:22 PM
Great support from the travelling Fermanagh contingent, loud and passionate but you never felt it was going to go somewhere it shouldn't like some visitors in recent years.
Arlene obviously didn't make it to this one then.
Herself and Tom are due in on Sunday
Derry disappoonting? Its literally the worst derry team from the mid 1960's! Theres at least 8-10 players of a better county standard who is either not playing; injured or not selected within the county@ Derry were 1 of the few teams to beat Dublin in the league in recent years but never recovered from the pasting against Dublin in a league final a few years bck
surely Armagh's current forward line can't be the only ones in the county worthy of a call up? Is there nobody on the panel or on club teams who could fill his shoes given the chance? big loss if his injury is serious....
Barry Cassidy referring on Sunday lads.
Big game for us against Offaly. I think we have only scored 1 goal so far which is a worrying stat. Hopefully we can rectify that. Loser probably goes down so a lot at stake.
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Big game for us against Offaly. I think we have only scored 1 goal so far which is a worrying stat. Hopefully we can rectify that. Loser probably goes down so a lot at stake.
Yeah, we don't look like getting goals because we haven't played an attacking enough style and we don't pick the best natural goalscorer I've seen in a long time (Kyle Cawley). I'm hopeful last Sundays change in tactics will continue and that Kyle gets more game time. If we got quick ball in to him and Coen we'd make goal chances, no doubts. We're very much an evolving puzzle.....just hope we've enough to get this job done on Sunday.
Quote from: FermGael on March 13, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Barry Cassidy referring on Sunday lads.
God help ye.
At this stage I think we are just hoping we can beat Wexford at home this weekend, which should be enough to keep us up. I wouldn't be confident going away to Sligo needing points.
Quote from: FermGael on March 13, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Barry Cassidy referring on Sunday lads.
God help both teams.
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2018, 09:39:38 AM
At this stage I think we are just hoping we can beat Wexford at home this weekend, which should be enough to keep us up. I wouldn't be confident going away to Sligo needing points.
I agree with the inverse of that. I wouldn't relish having to beat a Derrry team to stay up especially if they were also I. The danger zone.
For us, a win in either of our last two games guarantees survival..
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2018, 09:39:38 AM
At this stage I think we are just hoping we can beat Wexford at home this weekend, which should be enough to keep us up. I wouldn't be confident going away to Sligo needing points.
It's depressing that it's come to this isn't it
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Big game for us against Offaly. I think we have only scored 1 goal so far which is a worrying stat. Hopefully we can rectify that. Loser probably goes down so a lot at stake.
Offaly definitely go down if they lose.
Sligo can lose and stay up by beating Derry though.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on March 15, 2018, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Big game for us against Offaly. I think we have only scored 1 goal so far which is a worrying stat. Hopefully we can rectify that. Loser probably goes down so a lot at stake.
Offaly definitely go down if they lose.
Sligo can lose and stay up by beating Derry though.
Whilst likely this is incorrect. Offaly could win their last game and if Derry failed to get more than 1 point out of their 2 games then Derry would be relegated.
For what it's worth I still fancy Sligo and Derry to pick up wins this weekend leaving Offaly and Wexford relegated.
Fancy Fermanagh to beat Armagh, our need is greater!
Could see a scenario where Fermanagh, Armagh and Westmeath all tied on 12 points and comes down to scoring difference.
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 15, 2018, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on March 15, 2018, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: sligoman2 on March 13, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Big game for us against Offaly. I think we have only scored 1 goal so far which is a worrying stat. Hopefully we can rectify that. Loser probably goes down so a lot at stake.
Offaly definitely go down if they lose.
Sligo can lose and stay up by beating Derry though.
Whilst likely this is incorrect. Offaly could win their last game and if Derry failed to get more than 1 point out of their 2 games then Derry would be relegated.
For what it's worth I still fancy Sligo and Derry to pick up wins this weekend leaving Offaly and Wexford relegated.
Well that scenario is technically possible, but Derry's last 2 games will be against Wexford who are winless and Sligo who would already safe and have no incentive to try.
If Offaly can't beat Sligo at home, they won't beat Westmeath away.
Quote from: tintin25 on March 15, 2018, 11:42:36 AM
Fancy Fermanagh to beat Armagh, our need is greater!
Could see a scenario where Fermanagh, Armagh and Westmeath all tied on 12 points and comes down to scoring difference.
Armagh have so many injuries I can`t see any other result
"Fancy Fermanagh to beat Armagh, our need is greater!
Could see a scenario where Fermanagh, Armagh and Westmeath all tied on 12 points and comes down to scoring difference."
That would work well for Westmeath as the head to head would kick in and put Westmeath ahead of Fermanagh regardless of scoring difference.
Quote from: Iarmhí Abú on March 15, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
"Fancy Fermanagh to beat Armagh, our need is greater!
Could see a scenario where Fermanagh, Armagh and Westmeath all tied on 12 points and comes down to scoring difference."
That would work well for Westmeath as the head to head would kick in and put Westmeath ahead of Fermanagh regardless of scoring difference.
Head to head only applies when 2 teams finish on the same points Iarmhí Abú (good to hear from ya, twas a while). 3 or more it comes down to points difference and we're firmly in 3rd position of that race at the moment. It would be rough as f**k for any team not to get promoted on 12 points, 10 usually secures it.
Quote from: naka on March 15, 2018, 04:27:28 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on March 15, 2018, 11:42:36 AM
Fancy Fermanagh to beat Armagh, our need is greater!
Could see a scenario where Fermanagh, Armagh and Westmeath all tied on 12 points and comes down to scoring difference.
Armagh have so many injuries I can`t see any other result
If Eoin Donnelly is fit Fermanagh have a chance.
If he in injured, as I suspect he is , then Armagh by 3.
Langford to beat westmeath to put the cat among the pigeons
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Armagh 15 for Sunday, looks like Ethan Rafferty fit?
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Oisin Lappin An Machaire
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
7 Ryan Kennedy Baile Mhic an Aba
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Ethan Rafferty An Ghráinseach
These games have a chance for Sunday, not being in snowy regions.
Rafferty won't start
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 16, 2018, 10:35:01 PM
Armagh 15 for Sunday, looks like Ethan Rafferty fit?
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Oisin Lappin An Machaire
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
7 Ryan Kennedy Baile Mhic an Aba
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Ethan Rafferty An Ghráinseach
Our entire defence is so young and inexperienced that this could be a problem on Sunday. Fermanagh are seasoned, well drilled and dogged. Their experience and power up front could cause our young defence some real problems. I think McCabe is the only one who started in the Championship last season. I'd be shocked if Rafferty played. His injury last week sounded quite serious and less it wasn't as bad as first feared and actually isn't that bad, then they shouldn't risk him. I see Fermanagh winning this one.
On a side note, does any Armagh fan know what the deal with Kevin Dyas is? Has he packed in the football? After all the rehab work he was doing last season, he was always with the team at games as part of the squad, he hasn't been at the games this season.
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on March 16, 2018, 11:29:20 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 16, 2018, 10:35:01 PM
Armagh 15 for Sunday, looks like Ethan Rafferty fit?
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Oisin Lappin An Machaire
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
7 Ryan Kennedy Baile Mhic an Aba
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Ethan Rafferty An Ghráinseach
Our entire defence is so young and inexperienced that this could be a problem on Sunday. Fermanagh are seasoned, well drilled and dogged. Their experience and power up front could cause our young defence some real problems. I think McCabe is the only one who started in the Championship last season. I'd be shocked if Rafferty played. His injury last week sounded quite serious and less it wasn't as bad as first feared and actually isn't that bad, then they shouldn't risk him. I see Fermanagh winning this one.
On a side note, does any Armagh fan know what the deal with Kevin Dyas is? Has he packed in the football? After all the rehab work he was doing last season, he was always with the team at games as part of the squad, he hasn't been at the games this season.
This week's Gaelic Life said he was back training with county.
Offally v Sligo off
Much snow on the ground in Longford?
Game goes ahead Croi after pitch inspection at 10am.
I have decided not to travel - fair amount of snow on the Siteside so I will rely on Shiteside for coverage.
Longford missing Mickey Quinn so I think we won't get over that.
Saw that SS, fair amount of snow in Site Westmeath too, hard to believe pitch 60km away passed an inspection. Prob too risky for me to travel too for game that may yet be called off.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 16, 2018, 10:35:01 PM
Armagh 15 for Sunday, looks like Ethan Rafferty fit?
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Oisin Lappin An Machaire
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
7 Ryan Kennedy Baile Mhic an Aba
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Ethan Rafferty An Ghráinseach
Some turnover in that defence over recent years. I wouldn't recognise one name there from #2 to #7.
What radio station is carrying the Armagh game?
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 18, 2018, 02:09:45 PM
What radio station is carrying the Armagh game?
Go on to Armagh gaa website
3-0 to Fermanagh
Hardly recognise any Armagh players
Armagh wouldn't give PA the team line up to announce.
Armagh GAA can be petulant.
Half time in Longford
Longford 0-12
Westmeath 1-07
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 18, 2018, 02:27:15 PM
Armagh wouldn't give PA the team line up to announce.
Not the biggest crime committed this afternoon. Fecking awful half of football as predicted.
Game in Longford is a cracker.
WH down to 14. Longford 9 wides >:(. Still 1 pt up
Goal for Longford.
Into injury time - Longford 1-16 Westmeath 1-12
Longford 10 different scorers and about 12 wides so it seems we were way the better side so far.
Armagh somehow managed to let Fermanagh hang on for a draw.
Westmeath down to 13.
All over:
Longford 1-16
Westmeath 1-12
Westmeath out of the promotion race methinks.
That's Armagh promoted.
With Longford win over Westmeath and a draw with Fermanagh, Armagh have been promoted.
Quote from: ardchieftain on March 18, 2018, 03:37:44 PM
Armagh somehow managed to let Fermanagh hang on for a draw.
Armagh just kept possession
Funnily enough I think we saw the northerners being extremely neighbourly
Well done Armagh.
If we get at least a draw at home next Sun v Fermanagh we go up as well.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 18, 2018, 03:48:42 PM
Well done Armagh.
If we get at least a draw at home next Sun v Fermanagh we go up as well.
Unless Westmeath beat Offaly by 27+ points. Then you'll need to win ;)
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Where to start.
Barry Cassidy is as good a place as any.
There can be no complaints about the 2 Fermanagh sendings off.
But how Forker stayed on the pitch is beyond me. Dropped the knees and then struck in the first half and Barry then decided to book the wrong Armagh player.
Last 20 minutes was all about Barty making the game about Barry. Some terrible decisions.
Fermanagh did very well to hang on for that draw with 13 men.
Unlike other games some lads stood up and put the shoulder to the wheel.
It wasn't pretty but Armagh helped by kicking some outrageous wides.
Rafferty was clearly a massive loss for them.
We could have snatched it at the end as well only for a great black card from the Armagh corner back.
There is a reason Fermanagh and Armagh are in this division .
Both lack quality and need to stop the side to side passing possession game.
It was an awful watch.
Man on the PA at Brewster Park: "The Armagh team we're not sure of as their management refused to furnish us with it".
Great piece of work. Even raised a chuckle from the Armagh management.
All to play for next weekend against Longford.
Happy enough with that after last week.
Still in our hands.
Disappointed to read that about Forker. I didn't see the incidents you refer to but it wouldn't be surprising. He's been having a very good campaign as his discipline had improved. He was one of Armagh's better players today..
Armagh's squad is being stretched to breaking point with all the injuries, good to see Brendan Donaghy back.
Fermanagh played in a very defensive manner as expected. Armagh struggled to break them down with repeated lateral passing in the first half. We played with more urgency in the second half and broke through with increasing regularity but then kicked some awful wides.
I thought we did very well in midfield in the second half securing a mountain of possession against a quality midfielder in Donnelly.
I would predict a tough day in the office for Fermanagh next week as Longford are the best team we have faced in the division by some distance.
Great effort from Longford today. Took a while to get going as they let Westmeath go 5-0 up before they decided to start to play . The Bull was immense. Took some huge marks and prevented at least 2 of Heslin's free's dropping over the bar. Good to see James back even it was only for a brief time due to his black card. To be in with a chance of promotion in our own hands going into the last game is probably more than most expected . Disappointing crowd today as the snow in Westmeath this morning put a lot of people off travelling. They missed a cracking game .
Fermangh Armagh game was dreadful however all that mattered today was Armagh securing promotion without needing to worry about round 7.
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Quote from: FermGael on March 13, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Barry Cassidy referring on Sunday lads.
God help both teams.
Quote from: FermGael on March 18, 2018, 04:53:26 PM
Where to start.
Barry Cassidy is as good a place as any.
There can be no complaints about the 2 Fermanagh sendings off.
But how Forker stayed on the pitch is beyond me. Dropped the knees and then struck in the first half and Barry then decided to book the wrong Armagh player.
Last 20 minutes was all about Barty making the game about Barry. Some terrible decisions.
Told you. Best referees are virtually invisible and Cassidy shines out like a beacon.
That was a terrible game of football today between Fermanagh and Armagh, in bitterly cold windy conditions, on a heavy pitch, that contributed to the poor show. While I'm delighted that Armagh have achieved promotion, I wasn't pleased with how they played. Fermanagh bought a great amount of intensity to the game in the first half and really suffocated Armagh. Their tackling and turnovers were excellent. They got some good scores from play and Armagh indiscipline handed them a number of simple frees. The youth, inexperience and lack of quality the deeper we've had to go into our panel showed in the first half.
Second half we played a lot better, won a lot of ball in the middle, tightened up defensively and looked more threatening going forward. But like the first half our shot execution and free taking was abysmal. Fermanagh didn't seem to be able to bring the same level of intensity to the game in the second half. I didn't see what the first red card was for, but the ref was right in front of it over on the other side of the field. The second player could have no complaints about his second yellow either. I didn't see what Forker did, only the aftermath. He does have form and for years has been doing stupid macho things, which gets him and the team in trouble. His discipline has really improved this season but I wouldn't be surprised if he did something he shouldn't have. One player for me who definitely should have walked was Niall Grimley. He swung at elbow at Seamus Quigley and while it didn't connect and Quigley faked injury, the intent was there and should have been a red.
Today's performance will stand to some of the younger, less experienced members of the team, while others didn't really take their chance, in what were in fairness tough conditions. Playing Fermanagh in the League final as another warm up to the Championship clash could see the animosity that clearly exists between the teams go up another level.
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on March 18, 2018, 10:42:52 PM
That was a terrible game of football today between Fermanagh and Armagh, in bitterly cold windy conditions, on a heavy pitch, that contributed to the poor show. While I'm delighted that Armagh have achieved promotion, I wasn't pleased with how they played. Fermanagh bought a great amount of intensity to the game in the first half and really suffocated Armagh. Their tackling and turnovers were excellent. They got some good scores from play and Armagh indiscipline handed them a number of simple frees. The youth, inexperience and lack of quality the deeper we've had to go into our panel showed in the first half.
Second half we played a lot better, won a lot of ball in the middle, tightened up defensively and looked more threatening going forward. But like the first half our shot execution and free taking was abysmal. Fermanagh didn't seem to be able to bring the same level of intensity to the game in the second half. I didn't see what the first red card was for, but the ref was right in front of it over on the other side of the field. The second player could have no complaints about his second yellow either. I didn't see what Forker did, only the aftermath. He does have form and for years has been doing stupid macho things, which gets him and the team in trouble. His discipline has really improved this season but I wouldn't be surprised if he did something he shouldn't have. One player for me who definitely should have walked was Niall Grimley. He swung at elbow at Seamus Quigley and while it didn't connect and Quigley faked injury, the intent was there and should have been a red.
Today's performance will stand to some of the younger, less experienced members of the team, while others didn't really take their chance, in what were in fairness tough conditions. Playing Fermanagh in the League final as another warm up to the Championship clash could see the animosity that clearly exists between the teams go up another level.
Not convinced the Grimley incident is as clear cut as you suggest. The referee had given him a free and Quigley continued to pull and drag him. Grimley threw the arm back to break free. Don't think it was a straight red but probably should have been a second yellow. But was in last seconds of game. On a similar note if Grugan had have fallen as theatrically as Quigley when the Fermanagh man 'pushed him with his head there could have been another red.
Speaking of Quigley he was hardly recognisable he has lost so much weight.
This has been a good league for Armagh. Given the quality of players who left the panel at the start of the year I thought we would do well to stay in the division. Add the incredible injury list going in to the game today I could not see us getting anything from the match. In the end we probably should have won. Hopefully fitness and quality of play will improve as the ground hardens.
Armagh players not playing today:
Morgan McKay Hughes
Shields Higgins McElroy
O'Neill
Campbell Rafferty ohanlon
Clarke O'Neill
Others - heffron / caolan Rafferty
A good achievement for the current squad to gain promotion with a game to spare.
Quote from: regal on March 19, 2018, 01:05:40 AM
Armagh players not playing today:
Morgan McKay Hughes
Shields Higgins McElroy
O'Neill
Campbell Rafferty ohanlon
Clarke O'Neill
Others - heffron / caolan Rafferty
A good achievement for the current squad to gain promotion with a game to spare.
You could add Ryan McShane who was injured against Offally and Gavin McParland who although named in subs today has not played football since September due to a head injury.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 18, 2018, 11:04:00 PM
Not convinced the Grimley incident is as clear cut as you suggest. The referee had given him a free and Quigley continued to pull and drag him. Grimley threw the arm back to break free. Don't think it was a straight red but probably should have been a second yellow. But was in last seconds of game. On a similar note if Grugan had have fallen as theatrically as Quigley when the Fermanagh man 'pushed him with his head there could have been another red.
Speaking of Quigley he was hardly recognisable he has lost so much weight.
This has been a good league for Armagh. Given the quality of players who left the panel at the start of the year I thought we would do well to stay in the division. Add the incredible injury list going in to the game today I could not see us getting anything from the match. In the end we probably should have won. Hopefully fitness and quality of play will improve as the ground hardens.
I see your point. But whether or not he was being dragged it's a dangerous thing to do IMO. If he'd have connected it would have been red. As for Grugan's penalty incident, I thought it was one. The defender clearly pulled him back. I was thinking the same about Quigley, then I saw the one I thought it was, Sean, sitting in front of me and going to warm up and then checked the programme again and saw that it was Seamus, his brother who was playing!
It's been a good league. As you point out, we've faired better than expected. Losing O'Hanlon, Clarke, Campbell, O'Neill and Morgan at the start of the season was very hard to take. But players like Rafferty and Grugan have really driven this team on. Add in the list of injuries to key players who would definitely start like McKay, McParland, Donaghy and Hughes to name some, we've had to play players who in all likely hood wouldn't have gotten a game and most of them have performed very well. To compete and do well in the Championship and Division Two, we'll need a lot of these guys fit and available.
Quote from: regal on March 19, 2018, 01:05:40 AM
Armagh players not playing today:
Morgan McKay Hughes
Shields Higgins McElroy
O'Neill
Campbell Rafferty ohanlon
Clarke O'Neill
Others - heffron / caolan Rafferty
A good achievement for the current squad to gain promotion with a game to spare.
Add in Stephen Harrold, Eugene McVerry, Kevin Dyas and Michael Murray as long term absentees, but players who would make us better and you have some team there! It's actually quite frustrating, when you think of what's missing and the players who've done so well and we've unearthed, we'd have some squad of players to pick from!
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on March 18, 2018, 10:42:52 PM
That was a terrible game of football today between Fermanagh and Armagh, in bitterly cold windy conditions, on a heavy pitch, that contributed to the poor show. While I'm delighted that Armagh have achieved promotion, I wasn't pleased with how they played. Fermanagh bought a great amount of intensity to the game in the first half and really suffocated Armagh. Their tackling and turnovers were excellent. They got some good scores from play and Armagh indiscipline handed them a number of simple frees. The youth, inexperience and lack of quality the deeper we've had to go into our panel showed in the first half.
Second half we played a lot better, won a lot of ball in the middle, tightened up defensively and looked more threatening going forward. But like the first half our shot execution and free taking was abysmal. Fermanagh didn't seem to be able to bring the same level of intensity to the game in the second half. I didn't see what the first red card was for, but the ref was right in front of it over on the other side of the field. The second player could have no complaints about his second yellow either. I didn't see what Forker did, only the aftermath. He does have form and for years has been doing stupid macho things, which gets him and the team in trouble. His discipline has really improved this season but I wouldn't be surprised if he did something he shouldn't have. One player for me who definitely should have walked was Niall Grimley. He swung at elbow at Seamus Quigley and while it didn't connect and Quigley faked injury, the intent was there and should have been a red.
Today's performance will stand to some of the younger, less experienced members of the team, while others didn't really take their chance, in what were in fairness tough conditions. Playing Fermanagh in the League final as another warm up to the Championship clash could see the animosity that clearly exists between the teams go up another level.
We are better than Fermanagh, we are promoted and I think we will be a solid division 2 team the first year and hopefully we will kick on in year two and push for promotion.
I think we will be fine against Fermanagh in the Championship but I have been known to be wrong before, Down for example last year.
Low scoring contest in a windy Tullamore. HT Offaly 0-4 Sligo 0-2 both sides down to 14 men. Carroll for Offaly,Coen for Sligo.
55 mins gone Offaly 0-6 Sligo 0-6
FT Offaly 0-8 Sligo 0-8. A Sligo free in the 6th minute of injury time rescued a draw
All to play for next weekend at top and bottom
A game to play yet then. A draw would do us.
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Can Westmeath still go up? Hope they have something still to play for.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on March 19, 2018, 07:02:12 PM
Can Westmeath still go up? Hope they have something still to play for.
They need longford and fermanagh to draw and then beat offaly by 27 points!!
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on March 19, 2018, 07:02:12 PM
Can Westmeath still go up? Hope they have something still to play for.
Playing Offaly. That's enough in itself. Plus, there has been a fair bit of niggle between these two groups of players over the past few years. Westmeath will want to win, don't worry.
Westmeath have to win by 27pts and hope Longford and Fermanagh draw. A tall order.
With eff all to be doing yesterday I tuned into Ocean FM to hear the bize. Honest to God, they are the most depressing duo that I have ever heard. Now, in fairness, the first half sounded like nightmare stuff, but them Sligo lads would have you reaching for the whiskey.
Final call.
Decided
Promotion 1 - Armagh
Relegation 1 - Wexford
Promotion 2 - Longford (after a dour defensive encounter)
Relegation 2 - I reckon both Offaly and Sligo will lose so it's toodle-loo to Offaly.
Division 3 final. Armagh v Longford. Armagh to win but each side will have at least 2 sent off!
Quote from: shark on March 19, 2018, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on March 19, 2018, 07:02:12 PM
Can Westmeath still go up? Hope they have something still to play for.
Playing Offaly. That's enough in itself. Plus, there has been a fair bit of niggle between these two groups of players over the past few years. Westmeath will want to win, don't worry.
That's what I suspected. We'll have to play better and try and get something out of the Derry game regardless. I wasn't at the Offaly game but from the radio and from a couple of people I know at the game (Sligo and Offaly) it appears it was chronic in the first half and decent in the second half. Thankfully Offaly tightened up and got nervy and negative in the second half while Sligo eventually got going.
I'd be very concerned about aspects of our tactics and approach but in general I believe in the players. I think we're capable of giving Derry a good game and if we're in the mix in the last 10 minutes hopefully get a result. Playing with 14 men behind the ball and not taking one long kickout when you're playing with the breeze and being persistently fouled when you try to run is crazy. I hope Coen's red card is appealed (heard it was very harsh) because we need him and Kyle Cawley starting the next day.
If somebody would have told me at the start of the year that Fermanagh would be in a winner takes all game having played all of the league campaign without Sean Quigley and both Corrigan's starting a game I would have bitten your hand off.
In fairness to Gallagher he has put a bit of depth into the squad to get us into this position. Seamie Quigleys form has been fantastic and he really has knuckled down this year.
IMO Rory needs to start his strongest attacking team. I suspect it will be a a tight affair on Sunday. I see no harm in putting Sean up top alongside Seamie with Tomas as well. That is our strongest attacking lineup and will mean Longford will have to decide where to deploy their sweeper or sweepers. So far we have been easy to defend against as Seamie has been isolated on his own with a sweeper or 3 ( as Armagh had in the second half with 13 men and the breeze). The three of them individually are good enough to get scores and the Quigleys will also give us a very good long ball option. They will occupy the Longford defenders and give our half backs a license to break forward and score which they have been doing all year.
It's a very winnable game on Sunday. It should be at championship pace.
I was impressed by Fermanagh against Armagh because they were up against it and still managed to get a point. More of that spirit will be needed on Sunday.
As for relegation, I have a funny feeling Derry will be relegated. I think Sligo will beat them at home. Derry won't bring a big support and Westmeath may take a chance to run the panel as realistically they can't go up.
Quote from: FermGael on March 20, 2018, 09:49:29 AM
If somebody would have told me at the start of the year that Fermanagh would be in a winner takes all game having played all of the league campaign without Sean Quigley and both Corrigan's starting a game I would have bitten your hand off.
In fairness to Gallagher he has put a bit of depth into the squad to get us into this position. Seamie Quigleys form has been fantastic and he really has knuckled down this year.
IMO Rory needs to start his strongest attacking team. I suspect it will be a a tight affair on Sunday. I see no harm in putting Sean up top alongside Seamie with Tomas as well. That is our strongest attacking lineup and will mean Longford will have to decide where to deploy their sweeper or sweepers. So far we have been easy to defend against as Seamie has been isolated on his own with a sweeper or 3 ( as Armagh had in the second half with 13 men and the breeze). The three of them individually are good enough to get scores and the Quigleys will also give us a very good long ball option. They will occupy the Longford defenders and give our half backs a license to break forward and score which they have been doing all year.
It's a very winnable game on Sunday. It should be at championship pace.
I was impressed by Fermanagh against Armagh because they were up against it and still managed to get a point. More of that spirit will be needed on Sunday.
As for relegation, I have a funny feeling Derry will be relegated. I think Sligo will beat them at home. Derry won't bring a big support and Westmeath may take a chance to run the panel as realistically they can't go up.
Will he start the 3 of them though? It appears he has selected players to play a certain style of system and it's probably unlikely he would start the 3 of them together. I agree that we need our strongest side out and we still don't seem to be scoring enough. The goalkeeping position is still a concern.
Travelled to Longford in the end Sunday, twas a grand day up there, well apart from the swirling wind. Kickouts decided this game in the end, Longford absolutely bossed us on them. We never got to grips with them at all as they had three separate plans for them. In the first half they spread out and looked for the short one out to the corner or popped into the free man in space between the 21 and the 45. In the second half they bunched together in the middle, then broke out into space and accurate kicking invariably found a runner. Then the knockout punch was to push men out into the middle while Westmeath were protecting the short runs out into space man, Longford kicked it long over everyone and worked the clinching goal with extra men and our backline exposed. While Longford were working through their kickout strategy routines we were kicking out long balls that were coming down with snow on them with our most effective high fielder sitting inside in the full forward line. As far as I can see we've damn all work done on kickouts and it'll be the reason we don't get promoted this year. Disappointing as we've some talented players who'd hold their own in division 2, just missing a center back and a midfield.
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Quote from: FermGael on March 20, 2018, 09:49:29 AM
If somebody would have told me at the start of the year that Fermanagh would be in a winner takes all game having played all of the league campaign without Sean Quigley and both Corrigan's starting a game I would have bitten your hand off.
In fairness to Gallagher he has put a bit of depth into the squad to get us into this position. Seamie Quigleys form has been fantastic and he really has knuckled down this year.
IMO Rory needs to start his strongest attacking team. I suspect it will be a a tight affair on Sunday. I see no harm in putting Sean up top alongside Seamie with Tomas as well. That is our strongest attacking lineup and will mean Longford will have to decide where to deploy their sweeper or sweepers. So far we have been easy to defend against as Seamie has been isolated on his own with a sweeper or 3 ( as Armagh had in the second half with 13 men and the breeze). The three of them individually are good enough to get scores and the Quigleys will also give us a very good long ball option. They will occupy the Longford defenders and give our half backs a license to break forward and score which they have been doing all year.
It's a very winnable game on Sunday. It should be at championship pace.
I was impressed by Fermanagh against Armagh because they were up against it and still managed to get a point. More of that spirit will be needed on Sunday.
As for relegation, I have a funny feeling Derry will be relegated. I think Sligo will beat them at home. Derry won't bring a big support and Westmeath may take a chance to run the panel as realistically they can't go up.
Will he start the 3 of them though? It appears he has selected players to play a certain style of system and it's probably unlikely he would start the 3 of them together. I agree that we need our strongest side out and we still don't seem to be scoring enough. The goalkeeping position is still a concern.
He has to start at least 2 of them on Sunday if we are to win.
Seamie needs some help up there.
At a guess I would say he will start Tomas and leave Sean on the bench.
The ballsy thing would be to start all three and give them something to think about.
Is Eoin Donnelly still injured?
No played against Armagh
All set for Squeaky Bum Sunday?
Offaly, Derry, Sligo, Longford and Fermanagh all have something to play for.
Armagh will travel to Wexford with the gossuns. Both have sealed fates.
Westmeath will try and hammer Offaly to see if they can take Longford/Fermanagh at the death.
Sligo and Derry will go hammer and tongs.
But Pearse Park is where my interest will lie. Are ye travellin FermGael? Bring lots os warm clothing and wet weather gear, just in case.
I hope to get there to bite the fingernails to the quick.............best of luck everyone.
Anybody know where the division three final is gonna be?
Normally played with the D4 Final the day before the D1/D2 Finals in Croke Park.
However this year the Finals are in a " fluid" situation so God knows. .....
Div3 final in Croke Park tomorrow week afaik.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 23, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
All set for Squeaky Bum Sunday?
Offaly, Derry, Sligo, Longford and Fermanagh all have something to play for.
Armagh will travel to Wexford with the gossuns. Both have sealed fates.
Westmeath will try and hammer Offaly to see if they can take Longford/Fermanagh at the death.
Sligo and Derry will go hammer and tongs.
But Pearse Park is where my interest will lie. Are ye travellin FermGael? Bring lots os warm clothing and wet weather gear, just in case.
I hope to get there to bite the fingernails to the quick.............best of luck everyone.
Travelling down.
Seems to be a serious Fermanagh crowd heading down as well.
What would we be needing with wet weather clothing ?
Sure the last time I was in Longford the stand was being sorted.
I assume that's sorted at this stage......
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 23, 2018, 06:49:02 PM
Div3 final in Croke Park tomorrow week afaik.
While the contenders wouldn't be the worst supported, it would be a bit windswept. They should just fix it for Breffni park.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 23, 2018, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 23, 2018, 06:49:02 PM
Div3 final in Croke Park tomorrow week afaik.
While the contenders wouldn't be the worst supported, it would be a bit windswept. They should just fix it for Breffni park.
Also it is probably going to be covered by TG4.
In the event of Longford getting there I would be just as happy in Breffni as in Croker.
My only request would be that it's not a fecking Ulster ref again. I'll take a ref from the North Pole ahead of an Ulster ref. My unprovable theory is that Ulster refs will always give Ulster teams an easy ride when they play Longford.
Would the players/managers not prefer Croker, over a provincial ground? Somewhere like Clones would have a much better atmosphere than a 90% empty Croker, but it may be the only chance a lot of Div 3 & 4 players ever get to play there. Give them that at least, as well as the prospect of a walk up the steps of the Hogan Stand. Granted that may not be the case this year, as most of the counties involved are from Leinster & have a better chance than most of playing in Croker occasionally. I'm talking in the general sense.
Quote from: FermGael on March 23, 2018, 07:59:50 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 23, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
All set for Squeaky Bum Sunday?
Offaly, Derry, Sligo, Longford and Fermanagh all have something to play for.
Armagh will travel to Wexford with the gossuns. Both have sealed fates.
Westmeath will try and hammer Offaly to see if they can take Longford/Fermanagh at the death.
Sligo and Derry will go hammer and tongs.
But Pearse Park is where my interest will lie. Are ye travellin FermGael? Bring lots os warm clothing and wet weather gear, just in case.
I hope to get there to bite the fingernails to the quick.............best of luck everyone.
Travelling down.
Seems to be a serious Fermanagh crowd heading down as well.
What would we be needing with wet weather clothing ?
Sure the last time I was in Longford the stand was being sorted.
I assume that's sorted at this stage......
Well when I was down watching derry a few weeks ago it wasnt sorted. I didnt know it was closed so was thankful that it was a nice day. An old longford man told me they expected it to be open for the championship season.
You had this bucko that was stopping the redevelopment of Pearse Park
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Hope Derry go down.
Madden was a lúdramán and he has gone from the mix.
Part of the problem stand area has been demolished and the underpinning of the rest should be complete in time for the visit of Meath in early June in the Leinster.
It looks like a sunny day in Longford tomorrow so may be no need for wet gear.
O'Neill in there with the studs up........
Hope Fermanagh win tomorrow. (Sorry SS)
Hope Derry stay up...
Hope Longford win and get an Ulster ref in match v Armagh and he gives Armagh all the decisions :P
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2018, 09:04:30 PM
Hope Fermanagh win tomorrow. (Sorry SS)
You're grand Sir. I know Mayo wouldn't want to meet us in Div 2 next year! :-*
Quick question, is the main stand closed in Longford today? Is there any seating at all now?
Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on March 25, 2018, 09:57:27 AM
Quick question, is the main stand closed in Longford today? Is there any seating at all now?
Only seating is a small section beside press area which is our Ard Comhairle and it's usually for auld fellas and guests
Cheers for that
Is the westmeath team named yet?
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 25, 2018, 11:17:11 AM
Is the westmeath team named yet?
Don't know but thanks to massive investment by our county board in the area of time travel, the Offaly team is
M Furlong
M. Lowry
L. O'Connor
M. Fitzgerald
P. Fitzgerald
S. Lowry
L. Currams
T. O'Connor
J. Guinan
R. Connor (c)
G. Carroll
J. Mooney
M. Connor
B. Lowry.
20 odd mins gone and Wexford are beating Armagh 8 nil!
Is there a big wind in Wexford ?? 8-0 Wexford at the minute
Bet365 mustn't know match has already started, still offering 3/1 on a Wexford win!
Thanks lad great spot. I'm all over that lol
Armagh never scored in first half
9-0
Perfect day for football as well.
They are getting roasted all over the pitch .
Armagh and Wexford playing a friendly? Is there a strong wind? Is there a big slope on the pitch?
Wexford 0-11 0-0 Armagh after 41 mins
Bit of a slap in the face for any Armagh fans who travelled down.
Mini comeback underway, with 20 mins to go:
Wexford 0-12 0-4 Armagh
10 mins to go:
Wexford 0-12 1-7 Armagh
Guess what?
An Ulster ref >:(
Paul Faloon from Down
Wexford win by one point
Tryst me Paul didn't help Armagh in the last 5
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 25, 2018, 02:34:14 PM
Guess what?
An Ulster ref >:(
Paul Faloon from Down
That's no advantage to us .
Half time. Not championship fare.
Longford 0-07
Fermanagh 0-06
Very poor fare on show.
Too nervous teams
Yeah Baby- we win by 2 points and finally scored goals - looks like Derry are done to Div 4. Well done Offaly on survival.
I feel we are on the way up, this was a huge win for us in my opinion.
Welcome Laois and Carlow...
Woohoo Christ that was nerve wracking no thanks to westmeath
Well done the Sligo players
Well done Sligeach
I'm gutted. Well done Fermanagh
See ye next year lads :)
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 25, 2018, 04:45:05 PM
I'm gutted. Well done Fermanagh
Ah feck. I thought we'd have pints at the league finals next saturday.
That was a robbery
We're not gone yet!
Derry in D4. Jaysus
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Quote from: laoislad on March 25, 2018, 04:47:27 PM
See ye next year lads :)
You won't. We'll be on the Div 2 thread. Thank feck ;D
We really did steal that one today.
Longford will be kicking themselves.
2 points up entering injury time and knowing a draw was enough to take them up. They should have closed that out.
In fairness we missed a couple of very kickable scores in the last 10 minutes and it looked like we had blew our chance.
Seamie Quigley stole a few yards for the winning free but it was still some hit.
I think the last 2 Fermanagh frees were dubious enough ( especially the free for the equaliser) but we will take them
Eoin Donnelly was immense in the final quarter and led from the front. Was great of the Longford keeper to keep firing his kickouts on top of him.
Fair play to the Fermanagh players. They took a lot of abuse from a lot of media pundits when they got rid of Wee Pete last year. At the time I didn't agree with the way it was handled but I understood why they did it.
The promotion today was the vindication of that decision and those same pundits have been very quiet this evening.
Also delighted to see Seamie Quigley trimmed down and playing football. Everybody in Fermanagh knows the ability he was and what he could offer if he bought in. Rory has seemed to get through to him and he hasn't even scratched the surface of what he could do. Great to see him back and showing his skills on the national level.
Fair play to fermanagh as I didn't fancy them to beat Longford yesterday. Longford will be sick as they seemed to be the better team against both promoted teams.
Armagh's lack of depth in the squad is alarming but not surprising considering those not available. Any chance we could bring back Campbell, rian and oisin O'Neill for championship?
I don't see the point in bringing the division 3 & 4 finals to croke park. There will be very few there and the atmosphere will be non existent. Bring it to Omaha and get a half decent crowd
Our football was cat - back and forth back and forth. I know Fermanagh set up defensively but we seem to be unable to kick the ball over the bar from 40 mtrs out.
I was worried about the Ulster ref - look, I've said it before, we always seem to come out on the wrong end of bad decisions. One or two at the end were just this side of dodge.......
But I begrudge Fermanagh nothing - they came to do a job and they did it. It's not pretty though.
I am gutted, as were the players at the end, but when I look back at last year I get some perspective. Our last kick from a perhaps dodgy free got us a draw in Belfast and saved us from Div 4 so perhaps swings and roundabouts.
The only other thing was that there was zero atmosphere at the game. The style of football sucked the life out of the crowd.
And as a final dig the Fermanagh supporters were a joy to mingle with - unlike some other Div 3 opponents of the past few years. Ahem!
FCUK it - nobody died.
I will take the closing line as a shot at Armagh supporters SS!
In times past I'd have defended us with the 'every team has them' approach but I have been at 6 out of our 7 NFL games this year and I have to say I can see where the annoyance comes from. We have a large and loyal fan base for a division 3 team and each away game was well supported but there were several occasions in this campaign that I have been just plain embarrassed by the conduct of groups of our - usually older- supporters and have found myself shutting people up and apologising to opposition supporters.
At the minute we have an inordinately large portion of fans who don't go to club football or are even involved with clubs in any way. These are certainly a stay over from the 'glory days' when the bandwagon hooked on several trailers. These people are of course entitled to support Armagh and their money at the gate is as good as anyone's but they invariably are not very knowledgeable about the game and for whatever reason they seem to empower each other vocally. A not uncommon occurrence when a crew of these kick off abusing officials, opposition or Geezer I'll catch the eye of someone near who I don't quite know but played against or coached an u14 game on the sideline against and we'll both just shake our heads in mutual understanding that the fool's pardon card should be played.
The perfect example was yesterday - some lad from Carlow we'd never heard of was down to ref so before the game the crew I was with were lamenting the side effects of being in division 3 and gettting sent the also rans to officiate. As the game unfolded it became clear that the Carlow man was good and although we were getting a spanking everyone around me was commenting on his performance.
Fast forward through a nothing game where we started a batch of panelists before mounting a comeback that could have won the game but it would have been harsh on Wexford on the day. We're queuing to get down the steps out of the stand at the end and are treated to a group of 'supporters' waiting at the fence to abuse the ref and throw programs at him. Fcuk me I'd love to chase those clowns.
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 26, 2018, 09:23:42 AM
I will take the closing line as a shot at Armagh supporters SS!
In times past I'd have defended us with the 'every team has them' approach but I have been at 6 out of our 7 NFL games this year and I have to say I can see where the annoyance comes from. We have a large and loyal fan base for a division 3 team and each away game was well supported but there were several occasions in this campaign that I have been just plain embarrassed by the conduct of groups of our - usually older- supporters and have found myself shutting people up and apologising to opposition supporters.
At the minute we have an inordinately large portion of fans who don't go to club football or are even involved with clubs in any way. These are certainly a stay over from the 'glory days' when the bandwagon hooked on several trailers. These people are of course entitled to support Armagh and their money at the gate is as good as anyone's but they invariably are not very knowledgeable about the game and for whatever reason they seem to empower each other vocally. A not uncommon occurrence when a crew of these kick off abusing officials, opposition or Geezer I'll catch the eye of someone near who I don't quite know but played against or coached an u14 game on the sideline against and we'll both just shake our heads in mutual understanding that the fool's pardon card should be played.
The perfect example was yesterday - some lad from Carlow we'd never heard of was down to ref so before the game the crew I was with were lamenting the side effects of being in division 3 and gettting sent the also rans to officiate. As the game unfolded it became clear that the Carlow man was good and although we were getting a spanking everyone around me was commenting on his performance.
Fast forward through a nothing game where we started a batch of panelists before mounting a comeback that could have won the game but it would have been harsh on Wexford on the day. We're queuing to get down the steps out of the stand at the end and are treated to a group of 'supporters' waiting at the fence to abuse the ref and throw programs at him. Fcuk me I'd love to chase those clowns.
+1
Quote from: Orior on March 26, 2018, 10:33:02 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 26, 2018, 09:23:42 AM
I will take the closing line as a shot at Armagh supporters SS!
In times past I'd have defended us with the 'every team has them' approach but I have been at 6 out of our 7 NFL games this year and I have to say I can see where the annoyance comes from. We have a large and loyal fan base for a division 3 team and each away game was well supported but there were several occasions in this campaign that I have been just plain embarrassed by the conduct of groups of our - usually older- supporters and have found myself shutting people up and apologising to opposition supporters.
At the minute we have an inordinately large portion of fans who don't go to club football or are even involved with clubs in any way. These are certainly a stay over from the 'glory days' when the bandwagon hooked on several trailers. These people are of course entitled to support Armagh and their money at the gate is as good as anyone's but they invariably are not very knowledgeable about the game and for whatever reason they seem to empower each other vocally. A not uncommon occurrence when a crew of these kick off abusing officials, opposition or Geezer I'll catch the eye of someone near who I don't quite know but played against or coached an u14 game on the sideline against and we'll both just shake our heads in mutual understanding that the fool's pardon card should be played.
The perfect example was yesterday - some lad from Carlow we'd never heard of was down to ref so before the game the crew I was with were lamenting the side effects of being in division 3 and gettting sent the also rans to officiate. As the game unfolded it became clear that the Carlow man was good and although we were getting a spanking everyone around me was commenting on his performance.
Fast forward through a nothing game where we started a batch of panelists before mounting a comeback that could have won the game but it would have been harsh on Wexford on the day. We're queuing to get down the steps out of the stand at the end and are treated to a group of 'supporters' waiting at the fence to abuse the ref and throw programs at him. Fcuk me I'd love to chase those clowns.
+1
+1
I know exactly the type of fan you're talking about, i've seen them and heard them at games and it is embarrassing alright. I'd love to punch them in the face but usually have my kid with me so just bit my lip
Had Sligo and Derry agreed to play for a draw, but when word came through that Offaly were bridging the 6 point scoring difference deficit, Sligo had to go for the win?
QuoteI will take the closing line as a shot at Armagh supporters SS!
Some Armagh supporters DK. Some.
But look - it's all done and dusted now. If me aunt has balls etc.
I will look at starting a campaign that when county teams from different provinces meet that the ref should be from a neutral province.
I will raise the matter at club level to get a motion drafted.
I wasn't there but it certainly didn't appear to be the case from the radio commentary. Sligo were 4 points down with about 15-20 minutes to go and looked like we were gone. From the tempo and excitement of the game I think it's virtually impossible there was any agreement.
Great character by our players and I think vindication of what many of us believe about our team. When we're let play we'll leak a few scores but we can get scores ourselves. We're beyond clueless when in the strait jacket of 14 men behind the ball. Saw a photo of Corey after the game and he looked a very relieved man.....I'm sure he knows now the best way to set us up. 6 weeks to London where we've a score to settle.
5 p.m on Saturday for the final
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 26, 2018, 12:32:58 PM
I wasn't there but it certainly didn't appear to be the case from the radio commentary. Sligo were 4 points down with about 15-20 minutes to go and looked like we were gone. From the tempo and excitement of the game I think it's virtually impossible there was any agreement.
Great character by our players and I think vindication of what many of us believe about our team. When we're let play we'll leak a few scores but we can get scores ourselves. We're beyond clueless when in the strait jacket of 14 men behind the ball. Saw a photo of Corey after the game and he looked a very relieved man.....I'm sure he knows now the best way to set us up. 6 weeks to London where we've a score to settle.
Wouldn't anyone be?
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 26, 2018, 12:27:41 PM
QuoteI will take the closing line as a shot at Armagh supporters SS!
Some Armagh supporters DK. Some.
But look - it's all done and dusted now. If me aunt has balls etc.
I will look at starting a campaign that when county teams from different provinces meet that the ref should be from a neutral province.
I will raise the matter at club level to get a motion drafted.
Strange I've often asked for the same thing but for an almost opposite reason. I've always thought Ulster refs were particularly hard on Armagh. I have thought that other provinces refs have tended to favour their own though to some extent
Quote from: FermGael on March 26, 2018, 01:52:15 PM
5 p.m on Saturday for the final
Glad it's in Croke Park. I don't see the point in having a final in a league competition unless it's in Croke Park.
Engineering works on the railway line from Drogheda to Dublin so bus service operating on Saturday...FFS
Quote from: David McKeown on March 26, 2018, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: FermGael on March 26, 2018, 01:52:15 PM
5 p.m on Saturday for the final
Glad it's in Croke Park. I don't see the point in having a final in a league competition unless it's in Croke Park.
I don't see the point in having a final in a league competition even if it is in Croke Park.
Div 3 next year with Louth,Westmeath,Longford,Offaly,Carlow,Laois is like a mini Leinster championship
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
Div 3 next year with Louth,Westmeath,Longford,Offaly,Carlow,Laois is like a mini Leinster championship
And we'll have four of them away :'(
Quote from: DuffleKing on March 26, 2018, 09:23:42 AM
I will take the closing line as a shot at Armagh supporters SS!
In times past I'd have defended us with the 'every team has them' approach but I have been at 6 out of our 7 NFL games this year and I have to say I can see where the annoyance comes from. We have a large and loyal fan base for a division 3 team and each away game was well supported but there were several occasions in this campaign that I have been just plain embarrassed by the conduct of groups of our - usually older- supporters and have found myself shutting people up and apologising to opposition supporters.
At the minute we have an inordinately large portion of fans who don't go to club football or are even involved with clubs in any way. These are certainly a stay over from the 'glory days' when the bandwagon hooked on several trailers. These people are of course entitled to support Armagh and their money at the gate is as good as anyone's but they invariably are not very knowledgeable about the game and for whatever reason they seem to empower each other vocally. A not uncommon occurrence when a crew of these kick off abusing officials, opposition or Geezer I'll catch the eye of someone near who I don't quite know but played against or coached an u14 game on the sideline against and we'll both just shake our heads in mutual understanding that the fool's pardon card should be played.
The perfect example was yesterday - some lad from Carlow we'd never heard of was down to ref so before the game the crew I was with were lamenting the side effects of being in division 3 and gettting sent the also rans to officiate. As the game unfolded it became clear that the Carlow man was good and although we were getting a spanking everyone around me was commenting on his performance.
Fast forward through a nothing game where we started a batch of panelists before mounting a comeback that could have won the game but it would have been harsh on Wexford on the day. We're queuing to get down the steps out of the stand at the end and are treated to a group of 'supporters' waiting at the fence to abuse the ref and throw programs at him. Fcuk me I'd love to chase those clowns.
At times we all give referees a bit during a game but when the final whistle goes that should be it. As you say the actions of a few supporters is getting embarrassing. I remember apologising to Kildare supporters last year due to the language of a few supporters a few rows behind us in Croke Park last year. I would also add that the abuse some of our own players - particularly goalkeepers over the last few years - have received has been terrible.
Anyone know if Rafferty is back for the final?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
Div 3 next year with Louth,Westmeath,Longford,Offaly,Carlow,Laois is like a mini Leinster championship
Meath might be there yet.
I was at the Wexford match yesterday. Haven't been at a County match all year. I prefer Club football but the Wexford match was an opportunity to get a night away with the lads and have a bit of craic. I thought the referee had an excellent match. He let play flow, well as much as County football does actually flow nowadays, and none of the 5 of us would have any axe to grind with him.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 26, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
I was at the Wexford match yesterday. Haven't been at a County match all year. I prefer Club football but the Wexford match was an opportunity to get a night away with the lads and have a bit of craic. I thought the referee had an excellent match. He let play flow, well as much as County football does actually flow nowadays, and none of the 5 of us would have any axe to grind with him.
I don't know what sort of club football you've been watching if you think it's any more free-flowing. The more limited the teams get the less adventurous it tends to be.
Quote from: Syferus on March 26, 2018, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 26, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
I was at the Wexford match yesterday. Haven't been at a County match all year. I prefer Club football but the Wexford match was an opportunity to get a night away with the lads and have a bit of craic. I thought the referee had an excellent match. He let play flow, well as much as County football does actually flow nowadays, and none of the 5 of us would have any axe to grind with him.
I don't know what sort of club football you've been watching if you think it's any more free-flowing. The more limited the teams get the less adventurous it tends to be.
Due to the dominance of Crossmaglen Armagh club football has generally been more open as players might as well enjoy themselves if they had no chance of winning anything. Although not universal this did spread across other levels too. To be fair that is more a personal opinion than an absolute fact. Hopefully that doesn't change now that Cross have not made the last 2 county finals.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 26, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
I was at the Wexford match yesterday. Haven't been at a County match all year. I prefer Club football but the Wexford match was an opportunity to get a night away with the lads and have a bit of craic. I thought the referee had an excellent match. He let play flow, well as much as County football does actually flow nowadays, and none of the 5 of us would have any axe to grind with him.
So what happened Armagh for the first 40 mins? I didnt get to see a match report. Is our second string that bad?
Quote from: Syferus on March 26, 2018, 07:24:14 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 26, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
I was at the Wexford match yesterday. Haven't been at a County match all year. I prefer Club football but the Wexford match was an opportunity to get a night away with the lads and have a bit of craic. I thought the referee had an excellent match. He let play flow, well as much as County football does actually flow nowadays, and none of the 5 of us would have any axe to grind with him.
I don't know what sort of club football you've been watching if you think it's any more free-flowing. The more limited the teams get the less adventurous it tends to be.
Clin football round my way is a joy to watch
Quote from: Orior on March 26, 2018, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on March 26, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
I was at the Wexford match yesterday. Haven't been at a County match all year. I prefer Club football but the Wexford match was an opportunity to get a night away with the lads and have a bit of craic. I thought the referee had an excellent match. He let play flow, well as much as County football does actually flow nowadays, and none of the 5 of us would have any axe to grind with him.
So what happened Armagh for the first 40 mins? I didnt get to see a match report. Is our second string that bad?
They were pretty poor to be honest. Sure why would they be any other way. Most of the second string haven't played any competitive football worth talking about, for years
A very under strength Westmeath team took to the pitch last Sunday, apologies to Derry folk everywhere. We were bossed completely in the middle of the field and after an alright league campaign we are no closer to having a midfield partnership sorted. Discipline is now an issue as well, we've finished with 13 and 12 men respectively in our last two games. Early sendings off in the second half had big impacts in both games. The one positive we can take from the game though was Fagans kickouts, if we had him in goals for the Longford game I think we'd have won that game and would now be promoted. Staying in division 3 for another year mightn't be such a bad outcome. Teams who've gotten 2 successive promotions subsequently find the 3rd year tough going and usually get relegated, like Louth and Kildare this year.
Big rethink needed from management and lots to work on for championship. Where we go from here will be interesting to see.
Having insiders in the Westmeath camp helped :)
Offaly are certs for relegation next year!!
Again?
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 27, 2018, 02:49:44 PM
Again?
Nah, we'll knock Leix back off their pedestal again, back to the basement, where they belong.
Lads next years Division 3
Sligo
Offaly
Westmeath
Longford
Laois
Carlow
Louth
AND
Down or Meath
Looks a bit less stronger than previous years, 4 Homes is a massive advantage and has kept us up more often than not but even 3 homes games against Offaly, Louth & Carlow at least would be a boost.
Cork could be down yet either
Back in 2005, things were much different for Armagh and Wexford:
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/979089717768704000/video/1 (https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/979089717768704000/video/1)
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on March 27, 2018, 10:26:41 AM
A very under strength Westmeath team took to the pitch last Sunday, apologies to Derry folk everywhere.
Genuine question - how is this VERY understrength?
K Fagan; M McCallon, K Daly, B Sayeh; R Wallace, J Gonoud, J Dolan; A Stone, D Corroon; L Loughlin (1-4, 1-1 frees), R O'Toole (0-1), A McGivney; J Connellan (0-5, two frees), C McCormack (0-1), T McDaniel.
You've said yourself that the goalie was an improvement, though I personally have time for Carberry. Frank Boyle is out with injury, no different to Offaly missing players like Eoin Rigney and Eoin Carroll. John Egan was suspended, which again is a result of his own actions and very much part of football. Ger Egan and Kieran Martin are guaranteed starters fair enough but they played half the game, and the result was very much in the balance when they came on the field. John Connellan hasn't started many games but to be honest I think he's the best pure corner forward in the county anyway.
It seems to me ye were short Heslin, and that was pretty much it. Best player in the county absolutely, but hardly a case for very understrength by himself. What am I missing?
Armagh team for Division 3 final:
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Aaron McKay Dromainn Tí
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Brendan Donaghy Cluain Mhor
7 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Gavin McParland Baile Mhic an Aba
Any news on Ethan Rafferty Paul Hughes or Mark shields ?
Doesn't take much to excite Stevie these days it seems...
http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/steven-mcdonnell-excited-armagh-potential/
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 30, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Armagh team for Division 3 final:
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Aaron McKay Dromainn Tí
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Brendan Donaghy Cluain Mhor
7 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Gavin McParland Baile Mhic an Aba
Looks like anyone except Rangers...
Quote from: omochain on March 31, 2018, 06:08:41 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 30, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Armagh team for Division 3 final:
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Aaron McKay Dromainn Tí
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Brendan Donaghy Cluain Mhor
7 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Gavin McParland Baile Mhic an Aba
Looks like anyone except Rangers...
Hughes is injured and others have made themselves unavailable
Best of luck to Fermanagh later on today. (Sorry Armagh ones)
Quote from: omochain on March 31, 2018, 06:08:41 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 30, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Armagh team for Division 3 final:
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Aaron McKay Dromainn Tí
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Brendan Donaghy Cluain Mhor
7 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Gavin McParland Baile Mhic an Aba
Looks like anyone except Rangers...
That jumped out at me as well, hard to fathom, then again Geezer never did have any gra for Cross and vice versa.
Anyone know if you can order tickets via tickets.ie, and show a pdf file at the ticket gate???
Quote from: stew on March 31, 2018, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: omochain on March 31, 2018, 06:08:41 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on March 30, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Armagh team for Division 3 final:
1 Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupáin
2 Patrick Burns Foirceall
3 Aaron McKay Dromainn Tí
4 Jamie Cosgrove Cill Shleibhe
5 Niall Rowland Baile Mhic Cholla
6 Brendan Donaghy Cluain Mhor
7 Gregory McCabe Seán Ó Néill
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
10 Ben Crealey An Machaire
11 Aidan Forker An Machaire
12 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
13 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
14 Andrew Murnin Naomh Pól
15 Gavin McParland Baile Mhic an Aba
Looks like anyone except Rangers...
That jumped out at me as well, hard to fathom, then again Geezer never did have any gra for Cross and vice versa.
Hughes is on the panel but is injured. The other ones who were on the panel last year have made themselves unavailable
Be a tight match, Armagh by one
That was incredibly stupid by Quigley.
Let's change that prediction ! Black card for Quigley
Only switched over what did Sean Quigley get his black card for?
Shoulder in chest of guy trying to run past him
8 each at HT a decent game.
Armagh have kicked some nice scores. Pity we haven't seen the best of Quigley, gets hardly any ball going in and basically there to kick the frees.
Good game. Murnin is a good footballer.
One quigley making up for the other.
Pretty evenly matched but i think armagh maybe that bit better.
Armagh that bit better in 2nd half.
how many at this game? alot of background crowd noise on tg4 but not sure if its real?
Nothing between those two sides pity it took a lucky goal to separate the two.
Tight game, think Armagh just about deserved it. Fermanagh are very frustrating to watch...granted Gallagher has got them promoted which was the main objective but they won't win too much with only 1/2 proper forwards on the pitch.
Goalkeeping position needs to be sorted asap...give me a goalkeeper who is comfortable under the high ball any day.
Armagh have a good spread of boys able to kick a point. Fermanagh don't have as much. Armagh a bit better. Thought fermanagh had a couple of dubious frees that kept them in it.
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2018, 06:30:00 PM
how many at this game? alot of background crowd noise on tg4 but not sure if its real?
9074 was announced.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 31, 2018, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2018, 06:30:00 PM
how many at this game? alot of background crowd noise on tg4 but not sure if its real?
9074 was announced.
Most of the Laois and Carlow fans left after the first game.
Best team won. Winning trophies in Croke Park is always a healthy habit. The Ulster championship quarter final meeting on May 19th should be a feisty affair.
Entertaining enough game, great to see Dyas fit to play. I'm more impressed with Niall Grimley everytime I see him, genuine top class footballer. Burns in CB looks a potential class act, very like Andy Mallon. Good sub performance from Mini McShane, did give a couple of poor passes but he's in running for a Championship start. Murnin excellent but we need a bit of variation up front as one man forward lines are easy shut down.
I was trying to think what likely starters were missing? Paul Hughes & Mark Shields, anyone else??
sound like a lot of singing/chanting in the background on tg4? no way it was from the crowd at the game. crowd noise dubbed over?
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2018, 07:12:52 PM
sound like a lot of singing/chanting in the background on tg4? no way it was from the crowd at the game. crowd noise dubbed over?
Crowd of eejits from Fermanagh never stopped singing through the match. Don't think we've got that bad in football that tg4 have to start dubbing over the sound of our games.
Yeah i thought it sounded like there was a bunch of fermanagh ultras lol.
Your just lucky yous weren't in front of an uncooth "lady" from Fermanagh in premium level shouting to kick it into quigley, even when ball was out of play... Fair few f**k Armagh w*****s thrown in there too...
Fermanagh are awful to watch. Hit one ball into the full forward line before the black card and an attempt at the end to loft one in for a goal at the end drifted wide. In between they never even attempt to hit the Full forward line direct. They are pointless.
Promotion achieved but without serious improvement they will be chewed up and spat out by Division 2.
In parts of the game Armagh tried to play decent football. The only side who did. Promotion achieved but poor as Fermanagh were today if they had a left footed free taker they would probably have beaten us.
Hard to be enthusiastic.
Murnin was fantastic though
Enjoyed the game , Armagh at times moved the ball well.
Thought Grimley and Murnin were in tip top form, if Murnin's distribution improves he will be some footballer. Lovely to see dyas back .
All in all nice evening but Brewster park will be tighter and nastier when it arrives.
Quote from: mackers on March 31, 2018, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on March 31, 2018, 07:12:52 PM
sound like a lot of singing/chanting in the background on tg4? no way it was from the crowd at the game. crowd noise dubbed over?
Crowd of eejits from Fermanagh never stopped singing through the match. Don't think we've got that bad in football that tg4 have to start dubbing over the sound of our games.
Just ignore him, the Tyrone ones say he is a Fermanagh man masquerading as someone from Tyrone and only a fool would suggest that TG4 dubs crowd noise on to matches it televises.
Quote from: LCohen on March 31, 2018, 09:19:40 PM
In parts of the game Armagh tried to play decent football. The only side who did. Promotion achieved but poor as Fermanagh were today if they had a left footed free taker they would probably have beaten us.
Murnin was fantastic though
Armagh made an effort, but the passes need to be precise, Fermanagh are well drilled defensively.
As the left footed freetaker, Armagh need to stop giving away frees. Their tacking always looks a bit wild and most refs are going to give frees in this case. They need to examine why we give away more frees than we get, other than blaming the referee.
Dyas is potentially a good addition, someone to deliver a decent pass into the likes of Murnin.
Not having Orange tinted glasses on but Fermanagh seemed to get the free kicks a lot easier than Armagh, I will call a spade a spade i thought some of Armagh's tackling was wreckless/careless. Armagh are def light up front for natural scorers but it's great to see a few younger faces coming in and playing in HQ will certainly help them and give them a thirst for more...
How many of Fermanagh's scores were from play?
Fermanagh are very difficult to watch! Very slow build up! They go down very easily looking to buy frees and the ref bought it over & over.... kept them in the game.
Neutral here... I thought fermanagh got 3 maybe 4 suspect frees. They missed a few though. The two jones guys scored maybe 4 between them, 1 i think and mulrone 1. I don't remember that many more but suspect there were a couple. Quigley may have scored from play.A couple of frees they may have scored from play.
I like how armagh play the game. Lots of accurate kicking. Also it is good they don't look like gym monkeys with a few skinny enough mobile guys. I didn't think you would see that in a mcgeeney team. One thing i would say is they need better discipline as they lost ten yards at least 3 times if memory serves me correctly.
It could be a decent game in ulster. I would expect sean quigley on for longer and whatever pitch they play on will be tighter than croke so Armagh probably won't be able to play as expansive a game.
Ulster has a lot of close calls this year.
Quote from: JP on March 31, 2018, 10:30:51 PM
Fermanagh are very difficult to watch! Very slow build up! They go down very easily looking to buy frees and the ref bought it over & over.... kept them in the game.
Typical Rory Gallagher setup just like Donegal, buy a free and Murphy or McFadden will kick it over no need to rely on getting scores from play.
Overall terrible refereeing for both sides, just because it's division three shouldn't mean allocation of poor referees.
Quote from: illdecide on March 31, 2018, 10:06:23 PM
Not having Orange tinted glasses on but Fermanagh seemed to get the free kicks a lot easier than Armagh, I will call a spade a spade i thought some of Armagh's tackling was wreckless/careless. Armagh are def light up front for natural scorers but it's great to see a few younger faces coming in and playing in HQ will certainly help them and give them a thirst for more...
How many of Fermanagh's scores were from play?
I know what you're saying but at the same time most of the frees Fermanagh got were frees. We need to tighten up for May. In fact had Quigjey brought his shooting boots out for the second half the result may have been different
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 31, 2018, 10:06:23 PM
Not having Orange tinted glasses on but Fermanagh seemed to get the free kicks a lot easier than Armagh, I will call a spade a spade i thought some of Armagh's tackling was wreckless/careless. Armagh are def light up front for natural scorers but it's great to see a few younger faces coming in and playing in HQ will certainly help them and give them a thirst for more...
How many of Fermanagh's scores were from play?
I know what you're saying but at the same time most of the frees Fermanagh got were frees. We need to tighten up for May. In fact had Quigjey brought his shooting boots out for the second half the result may have been different
Would say a few frees were dives
Armagh seemed to work harder for their frees
My fear is the amount of wides we seem to stack up every game
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 31, 2018, 10:06:23 PM
Not having Orange tinted glasses on but Fermanagh seemed to get the free kicks a lot easier than Armagh, I will call a spade a spade i thought some of Armagh's tackling was wreckless/careless. Armagh are def light up front for natural scorers but it's great to see a few younger faces coming in and playing in HQ will certainly help them and give them a thirst for more...
How many of Fermanagh's scores were from play?
I know what you're saying but at the same time most of the frees Fermanagh got were frees. We need to tighten up for May. In fact had Quigjey brought his shooting boots out for the second half the result may have been different
Would say a few frees were dives
Armagh seemed to work harder for their frees
My fear is the amount of wides we seem to stack up every game
I'm rewatching he game now and there were def a few more dubious frees than I thought when at the game
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 31, 2018, 10:06:23 PM
Not having Orange tinted glasses on but Fermanagh seemed to get the free kicks a lot easier than Armagh, I will call a spade a spade i thought some of Armagh's tackling was wreckless/careless. Armagh are def light up front for natural scorers but it's great to see a few younger faces coming in and playing in HQ will certainly help them and give them a thirst for more...
How many of Fermanagh's scores were from play?
I know what you're saying but at the same time most of the frees Fermanagh got were frees. We need to tighten up for May. In fact had Quigjey brought his shooting boots out for the second half the result may have been different
Would say a few frees were dives
Armagh seemed to work harder for their frees
My fear is the amount of wides we seem to stack up every game
I'm rewatching he game now and there were def a few more dubious frees than I thought when at the game
Rewatched it myself. Armagh had 8 yellow cards and about 6 must have been for perceived high tackles. Not convinced about many of them. Also noted that Fermanagh made very few tackles compared to Armagh. Despite much of the criticism he wasn't the worst referee.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 31, 2018, 10:06:23 PM
Not having Orange tinted glasses on but Fermanagh seemed to get the free kicks a lot easier than Armagh, I will call a spade a spade i thought some of Armagh's tackling was wreckless/careless. Armagh are def light up front for natural scorers but it's great to see a few younger faces coming in and playing in HQ will certainly help them and give them a thirst for more...
How many of Fermanagh's scores were from play?
I know what you're saying but at the same time most of the frees Fermanagh got were frees. We need to tighten up for May. In fact had Quigjey brought his shooting boots out for the second half the result may have been different
Would say a few frees were dives
Armagh seemed to work harder for their frees
My fear is the amount of wides we seem to stack up every game
I'm rewatching he game now and there were def a few more dubious frees than I thought when at the game
Rewatched it myself. Armagh had 8 yellow cards and about 6 must have been for perceived high tackles. Not convinced about many of them. Also noted that Fermanagh made very few tackles compared to Armagh. Despite much of the criticism he wasn't the worst referee.
I wouldn't have him down as the worst ref for sure. Regarding the high tackles, anyone that was near the neck was yellowed and the ref signalled it. Even though they weren't too bad. Is there a directive that those tackles are an automatic yellow?
Our tackling is brutal at times. Inaccurate and indisciplined. Ethan got marched back in scoring territory in the first half for complaining to the ref about the most obvious of fouls. Those fouls and that indiscipline are going to cost against better opposition or in games with more intensity. The game in Enniskillen will be a lot more intense.
When we didn't move the ball quickly Fermanagh got around us and picked off a lot of turnovers. That game plan will be easier again in a tighter pitch with championship intensity. We need to move the ball quickly more often. Be brave
How about you dont know how to tackle!!!
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 31, 2018, 10:06:23 PM
Not having Orange tinted glasses on but Fermanagh seemed to get the free kicks a lot easier than Armagh, I will call a spade a spade i thought some of Armagh's tackling was wreckless/careless. Armagh are def light up front for natural scorers but it's great to see a few younger faces coming in and playing in HQ will certainly help them and give them a thirst for more...
How many of Fermanagh's scores were from play?
I know what you're saying but at the same time most of the frees Fermanagh got were frees. We need to tighten up for May. In fact had Quigjey brought his shooting boots out for the second half the result may have been different
Would say a few frees were dives
Armagh seemed to work harder for their frees
My fear is the amount of wides we seem to stack up every game
I'm rewatching he game now and there were def a few more dubious frees than I thought when at the game
Fermanagh No.5 won them more dubious frees in scrabble positions than anyone else on the field.
There was a lack of consistency in the decisions especially in the second half when he let more go for Fermanagh in defence compared to when Armagh were defending.
Armagh didn't play the referee and lacked discipline when decisions went against them and this affected the referee's decision making.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2018, 08:09:34 AM
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Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: naka on March 31, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 31, 2018, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 31, 2018, 10:06:23 PM
Not having Orange tinted glasses on but Fermanagh seemed to get the free kicks a lot easier than Armagh, I will call a spade a spade i thought some of Armagh's tackling was wreckless/careless. Armagh are def light up front for natural scorers but it's great to see a few younger faces coming in and playing in HQ will certainly help them and give them a thirst for more...
How many of Fermanagh's scores were from play?
I know what you're saying but at the same time most of the frees Fermanagh got were frees. We need to tighten up for May. In fact had Quigjey brought his shooting boots out for the second half the result may have been different
Would say a few frees were dives
Armagh seemed to work harder for their frees
My fear is the amount of wides we seem to stack up every game
I'm rewatching he game now and there were def a few more dubious frees than I thought when at the game
Rewatched it myself. Armagh had 8 yellow cards and about 6 must have been for perceived high tackles. Not convinced about many of them. Also noted that Fermanagh made very few tackles compared to Armagh. Despite much of the criticism he wasn't the worst referee.
I wouldn't have him down as the worst ref for sure. Regarding the high tackles, anyone that was near the neck was yellowed and the ref signalled it. Even though they weren't too bad. Is there a directive that those tackles are an automatic yellow?
High tackle is automatic yellow yeah.
TBH i thought with 10 mins to go Armagh (5pts up) started to empty their bench to give some subs game time in Croke Pk and i think that let Fermanagh back into it...not a bad game and not a lot between the 2 teams with Armagh just that we bit better
Interesting enough game for what it was.
Will bear little resemblance to the game we will see on the 13th of May.
Fermanaghs vulnerability to a high ball came to the fore again and Armagh with Rafferty in there
will have noticed a very obvious weakness.
What Fermanagh can take out of it is that Armagh can't tackle and have poor discipline.
That is something we have to exploit.
The referee did give Fermnagh some soft frees but Armagh only have themselves to blame for that.
There approach to when a decision is given against them is very strange.
You would think that the referee was going to change his mind when they verbally contested the decision.
Strange ....
We have big issues on tackling accuracy and on discipline. We don't play the ref well.
Fermanagh base their game plan on the officials not policing off the ball stuff. If Fermanagh got the c20 yellow cards their antics should trigger then they could never win a game.
I would expect Armagh to play this angle very hard in the run up to the championship game
Fermanagh brutal to watch. They've hardly a forward of note. Bbot enough quality in attack to do teams damage.
Quote from: FermGael on April 01, 2018, 03:38:59 PM
You would think that the referee was going to change his mind when they verbally contested the decision.
Strange ....
This is a an absolute pet hate of mine, I have to say, as there was at least one free moved up from a possibility to a near certainty.
By the way - to describe the Armagh players' frustration at the ref as 'strange' is...well...strange. Have a look at many sports and you'll see evidence of the same.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 01, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 01, 2018, 03:38:59 PM
You would think that the referee was going to change his mind when they verbally contested the decision.
Strange ....
This is a an absolute pet hate of mine, I have to say, as there was at least one free moved up from a possibility to a near certainty.
By the way - to describe the Armagh players' frustration at the ref as 'strange' is...well...strange. Have a look at many sports and you'll see evidence of the same.
Ok so not "strange". Try "stupid"
Interesting to see similar tackles to bookings yesterday not punished in the same way in the division 2 final today.
I have never witnessed a referee change their mind after being challenged over a decision by a player.
All I have witnessed is a referee moving a free forward and then, as what happened yesterday, giving the
opposition team some soft frees.
I am not sure why players bother with it.
I would agree that Fermanagh commit abit more in the attacking side of the game.
They have a set of forwards who can do damage.
But then a reliable left footed free taker yesterday and we would probably have won so it might not be pretty
but it is effective.
Quote from: FermGael on April 01, 2018, 06:29:34 PM
I have never witnessed a referee change their mind after being challenged over a decision by a player.
All I have witnessed is a referee moving a free forward and then, as what happened yesterday, giving the
opposition team some soft frees.
I am not sure why players bother with it.
I would agree that Fermanagh commit abit more in the attacking side of the game.
They have a set of forwards who can do damage.
But then a reliable left footed free taker yesterday and we would probably have won so it might not be pretty
but it is effective.
You were never going to win that game yesterday, that was obvious from early on, we are better than you lot by three or so points, if you had upped your game we would have too I believe, the right team won the division and the right team went up with them. The proof of the pudding is in the eating they say, we shall see come Championship time.
On watching again last. Ight it looked like Quigley gave McCabe a wee punch in the gut. Not much in it mind but the ref could have taken exception to it.
Quote from: FermGael on April 01, 2018, 06:29:34 PM
I have never witnessed a referee change their mind after being challenged over a decision by a player.
All I have witnessed is a referee moving a free forward and then, as what happened yesterday, giving the
opposition team some soft frees.
I am not sure why players bother with it.
I would agree that Fermanagh commit abit more in the attacking side of the game.
They have a set of forwards who can do damage.
But then a reliable left footed free taker yesterday and we would probably have won so it might not be pretty
but it is effective.
Is the underlying logic not so much that you won't change the referees mind on this one but you may get the next one a bit easier or make it harder for them to get the next one.
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Quote from: FermGael on April 01, 2018, 06:29:34 PM
I have never witnessed a referee change their mind after being challenged over a decision by a player.
All I have witnessed is a referee moving a free forward and then, as what happened yesterday, giving the
opposition team some soft frees.
I am not sure why players bother with it.
I would agree that Fermanagh commit abit more in the attacking side of the game.
They have a set of forwards who can do damage.
But then a reliable left footed free taker yesterday and we would probably have won so it might not be pretty
but it is effective.
Is the underlying logic not so much that you won't change the referees mind on this one but you may get the next one a bit easier or make it harder for them to get the next one.
Or you could put the ref against you
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Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2018, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 01, 2018, 06:29:34 PM
I have never witnessed a referee change their mind after being challenged over a decision by a player.
All I have witnessed is a referee moving a free forward and then, as what happened yesterday, giving the
opposition team some soft frees.
I am not sure why players bother with it.
I would agree that Fermanagh commit abit more in the attacking side of the game.
They have a set of forwards who can do damage.
But then a reliable left footed free taker yesterday and we would probably have won so it might not be pretty
but it is effective.
Is the underlying logic not so much that you won't change the referees mind on this one but you may get the next one a bit easier or make it harder for them to get the next one.
Or you could put the ref against you
+1
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 01, 2018, 11:00:06 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 01, 2018, 06:56:48 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2018, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 01, 2018, 06:29:34 PM
I have never witnessed a referee change their mind after being challenged over a decision by a player.
All I have witnessed is a referee moving a free forward and then, as what happened yesterday, giving the
opposition team some soft frees.
I am not sure why players bother with it.
I would agree that Fermanagh commit abit more in the attacking side of the game.
They have a set of forwards who can do damage.
But then a reliable left footed free taker yesterday and we would probably have won so it might not be pretty
but it is effective.
Is the underlying logic not so much that you won't change the referees mind on this one but you may get the next one a bit easier or make it harder for them to get the next one.
Or you could put the ref against you
+1
Oh absolutely I remember talking to a few county footballers about this many years ago who would have been well known for 'expressing their opinion' to a referee and that was their justification.
Quote from: LCohen on April 01, 2018, 04:26:27 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 01, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
This is a an absolute pet hate of mine, I have to say, as there was at least one free moved up from a possibility to a near certainty.
By the way - to describe the Armagh players' frustration at the ref as 'strange' is...well...strange. Have a look at many sports and you'll see evidence of the same.
Ok so not "strange". Try "stupid"
No issue at all - 'stupid', yes, 'ill-disciplined', absolutely - 'strange' though suggests that it is something peculiar to Armagh players, and it is not.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 02, 2018, 07:51:33 AM
Quote from: LCohen on April 01, 2018, 04:26:27 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 01, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
This is a an absolute pet hate of mine, I have to say, as there was at least one free moved up from a possibility to a near certainty.
By the way - to describe the Armagh players' frustration at the ref as 'strange' is...well...strange. Have a look at many sports and you'll see evidence of the same.
Ok so not "strange". Try "stupid"
No issue at all - 'stupid', yes, 'ill-disciplined', absolutely - 'strange' though suggests that it is something peculiar to Armagh players, and it is not.
Agreed on that.
Some talk on how fouls were called/punished in the Division 3 final that were let go yesterday. There is no doubt that is frustrating and that consistency should be strived for. But in the meantime we need to be technically better in the tackle, sensible enough to adapt to how the referee is calling things and not stupid enough to rile him with indisciplined back chat
I thought Fermanagh were excellent at working with the referee. But in a way that reflects no credit on them or in football
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Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 02, 2018, 07:51:33 AM
Quote from: LCohen on April 01, 2018, 04:26:27 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 01, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
This is a an absolute pet hate of mine, I have to say, as there was at least one free moved up from a possibility to a near certainty.
By the way - to describe the Armagh players' frustration at the ref as 'strange' is...well...strange. Have a look at many sports and you'll see evidence of the same.
Ok so not "strange". Try "stupid"
No issue at all - 'stupid', yes, 'ill-disciplined', absolutely - 'strange' though suggests that it is something peculiar to Armagh players, and it is not.
Agreed on that.
Some talk on how fouls were called/punished in the Division 3 final that were let go yesterday. There is no doubt that is frustrating and that consistency should be strived for. But in the meantime we need to be technically better in the tackle, sensible enough to adapt to how the referee is calling things and not stupid enough to rile him with indisciplined back chat
I thought Fermanagh were excellent at working with the referee. But in a way that reflects no credit on them or in football
+1
By now you would thought that McGeeney would have created a team ethos of working the referee, discipline in accepting decisions whatever their consequence and being able to tackle properly.
The seatbelt tackle is now an immediate free if not a yellow card, why is this not being trained out of players.
McGeeney has always talked about defining the tackle but has not yet trained all of his players how to tackle effectively but without giving away the free?
Teams get a reputation among referees and suffer as a consequence, has this not occurred to the Armagh management as they begin a journey with a young team?
The greatest Armagh team knew how to work the referee and apart of Marty O'Rourke accepted decisions without rebuke and played on. Has this lesson been lost on the current management team?
Quote from: bennydorano on March 31, 2018, 07:11:53 PM
I was trying to think what likely starters were missing? Paul Hughes & Mark Shields, anyone else??
Those would be the most likely and McParland in my opinion. At the moment I'd say that our Championship team would look something like:
Blaine Hughes
Patrick Burn, Aaron McKay, Paul Hughes
Mark Shields, Brendan Donaghy, Gregory McCabe
Stephen Sheridan, Charlie Vernon
Ben Crealey, Aidan Forker, Nially Grimley
Ethan Rafferty, Andrew Murnin, Rory Grugan
Ryan McShane won't have done his chances any harm either and having Kevin Dyas back could be a great option off the bench, as we are lacking creativity. We don't have many scoring forwards after the departure of Stefan Campbell and Jamie Clarke at the start of the season and this is one area of concern for me. Elsewhere, I think we look strong in a number of positions and have good options. The league has allowed a number of young players to come into the team, get some good game time and perform well. Championship is a whole other level, but we're still developing a squad, which is needed with so many high profile departures, it's difficult to get any continuity in our team. Great to win Division Three. Playing higher calibre teams next season will be great for this group of players.
Did anyone, other than Jim McCorry, notice Down falling into Division 3 as Armagh stepped up to Division 2?
Hard not to smile.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 03, 2018, 09:17:16 AM
Did anyone, other than Jim McCorry, notice Down falling into Division 3 as Armagh stepped up to Division 2?
Hard not to smile.
It's great working with Down people who are tying themselves up in knots over eamon burns. Really don't rate him!!
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on April 03, 2018, 12:16:24 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 31, 2018, 07:11:53 PM
I was trying to think what likely starters were missing? Paul Hughes & Mark Shields, anyone else??
Those would be the most likely and McParland in my opinion. At the moment I'd say that our Championship team would look something like:
Blaine Hughes
Patrick Burn, Aaron McKay, Paul Hughes
Mark Shields, Brendan Donaghy, Gregory McCabe
Stephen Sheridan, Charlie Vernon
Ben Crealey, Aidan Forker, Nially Grimley
Ethan Rafferty, Andrew Murnin, Rory Grugan
Ryan McShane won't have done his chances any harm either and having Kevin Dyas back could be a great option off the bench, as we are lacking creativity. We don't have many scoring forwards after the departure of Stefan Campbell and Jamie Clarke at the start of the season and this is one area of concern for me. Elsewhere, I think we look strong in a number of positions and have good options. The league has allowed a number of young players to come into the team, get some good game time and perform well. Championship is a whole other level, but we're still developing a squad, which is needed with so many high profile departures, it's difficult to get any continuity in our team. Great to win Division Three. Playing higher calibre teams next season will be great for this group of players.
I think Mini McShane will make the Championship team, your HF line (& the most likely one tbf) is all big guys who aren't super mobile,Miini gives us something different, that speed with a low centre of gravity that is hard to deal with, he could start in corner forward just as easily tho.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 03, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on April 03, 2018, 12:16:24 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 31, 2018, 07:11:53 PM
I was trying to think what likely starters were missing? Paul Hughes & Mark Shields, anyone else??
Those would be the most likely and McParland in my opinion. At the moment I'd say that our Championship team would look something like:
Blaine Hughes
Patrick Burn, Aaron McKay, Paul Hughes
Mark Shields, Brendan Donaghy, Gregory McCabe
Stephen Sheridan, Charlie Vernon
Ben Crealey, Aidan Forker, Nially Grimley
Ethan Rafferty, Andrew Murnin, Rory Grugan
Ryan McShane won't have done his chances any harm either and having Kevin Dyas back could be a great option off the bench, as we are lacking creativity. We don't have many scoring forwards after the departure of Stefan Campbell and Jamie Clarke at the start of the season and this is one area of concern for me. Elsewhere, I think we look strong in a number of positions and have good options. The league has allowed a number of young players to come into the team, get some good game time and perform well. Championship is a whole other level, but we're still developing a squad, which is needed with so many high profile departures, it's difficult to get any continuity in our team. Great to win Division Three. Playing higher calibre teams next season will be great for this group of players.
I think Mini McShane will make the Championship team, your HF line (& the most likely one tbf) is all big guys who aren't super mobile,Miini gives us something different, that speed with a low centre of gravity that is hard to deal with, he could start in corner forward just as easily tho.
Benny is mini McShane one of yours? wasn't sure what club he's from...Some of them new young lads into the team this year i've took my eye of the ball and not sure what their clubs are...
Yeah, he's Harps. Not sure what age he is, 23/24.
Who does Conor Macken play for? Can't say I've heard of him before and can't recall seeing his name on a match day panel.
Quote from: Patrick-Armagh on April 03, 2018, 02:13:04 PM
Who does Conor Macken play for? Can't say I've heard of him before and can't recall seeing his name on a match day panel.
Same club as McCabe I read somewhere.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 03, 2018, 09:29:50 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 03, 2018, 09:17:16 AM
Did anyone, other than Jim McCorry, notice Down falling into Division 3 as Armagh stepped up to Division 2?
Hard not to smile.
It's great working with Down people who are tying themselves up in knots over eamon burns. Really don't rate him!!
Problem is their arrogance prevents them from rating anyone taking the senior county team while the real problem is the general malaise in football across such a highly populated county.
Down got rid of McCorry too hastily after one season after he over achieved by getting them promoted to division 1. He had one bad defeat to Wexford I think but I could never understand the logic of replacing a manager like McCorry who a good track record with a manager who to the best of my knowledge, had no history of success. That said he simply doesn't have the players.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 03, 2018, 07:06:17 PM
Down got rid of McCorry too hastily after one season after he over achieved by getting them promoted to division 1. He had one bad defeat to Wexford I think but I could never understand the logic of replacing a manager like McCorry who a good track record with a manager who to the best of my knowledge, had no history of success. That said he simply doesn't have the players.
Sheer parochialism overtook logic when they refused to recognise how far football had deteriorated since 1994.
To be fair they were in the ai final 2010 and only lost by a point.
God did armagh bring anyone to croker...??
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2018, 10:10:07 PM
To be fair they were in the ai final 2010 and only lost by a point.
To be really fair the luck was hanging out of them in 2010 & Clarke was fit and interested.
Ripped kerry apart.
With clarke pulling strings they had boys in forwards who could rip teams apart.
The wee fella mccuminskey from dundrum was a massive loss.
They were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
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To be fair they were in the ai final 2010 and only lost by a point.
I still shake my head in disbelief at that and my blood runs cold at how easily they could have won that. Armagh had a very indifferent team that year and still gave Down a sound beating in the Division 2 League Final.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
They probably didn't deserve the AI based on the performances of that year but they had been consistently good in the previous 3 years (bar games played in CP against Kerry) - more "deserving" of an AI than either Kildare or Down imo
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 03, 2018, 10:10:07 PM
To be fair they were in the ai final 2010 and only lost by a point.
It's still brings a smile that the 'aristocrats' are following Derry down the divisions and relieved that Armagh are escaping Division 3.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
They probably didn't deserve the AI based on the performances of that year but they had been consistently good in the previous 3 years (bar games played in CP against Kerry) - more "deserving" of an AI than either Kildare or Down imo
Maybe but the way Kildare were playing that year (albeit after being upended by Louth) I felt they were the better team that year, Cork had their usual loss to Kerry and got the handiest possible draw going almost every time after that, and a Dublin team in the semi that was undergoing serious carthasis after the Kerry and Meath drubbings before becoming the team they are now, but they still could have won but for McConnell late on giving away a penalty and later getting the line, and a Down team in the final that came almost out of nowhere and went back there almost as quickly. Always regarded them as a fine example of flat track bullies as leading football teams go, they'd flatten any disjointed shambles of a team no bother but even if an average team were well organised and put it up to them they struggled to get through.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
They probably didn't deserve the AI based on the performances of that year but they had been consistently good in the previous 3 years (bar games played in CP against Kerry) - more "deserving" of an AI than either Kildare or Down imo
Maybe but the way Kildare were playing that year (albeit after being upended by Louth) I felt they were the better team that year, Cork had their usual loss to Kerry and got the handiest possible draw going almost every time after that, and a Dublin team in the semi that was undergoing serious carthasis after the Kerry and Meath drubbings before becoming the team they are now, but they still could have won but for McConnell late on giving away a penalty and later getting the line, and a Down team in the final that came almost out of nowhere and went back there almost as quickly. Always regarded them as a fine example of flat track bullies as leading football teams go, they'd flatten any disjointed shambles of a team no bother but even if an average team were well organised and put it up to them they struggled to get through.
Usual loss to Kerry hardly applied at that time, when referring to Munster championship which you are doing here. They beat Kerry in 2006, 2008 and 2009. That Cork team deserved their All-Ireland. 3 finals and 2 semi finals from 2006 to 2010. And in all that time they only lost to 1 team.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
They probably didn't deserve the AI based on the performances of that year but they had been consistently good in the previous 3 years (bar games played in CP against Kerry) - more "deserving" of an AI than either Kildare or Down imo
Maybe but the way Kildare were playing that year (albeit after being upended by Louth) I felt they were the better team that year, Cork had their usual loss to Kerry and got the handiest possible draw going almost every time after that, and a Dublin team in the semi that was undergoing serious carthasis after the Kerry and Meath drubbings before becoming the team they are now, but they still could have won but for McConnell late on giving away a penalty and later getting the line, and a Down team in the final that came almost out of nowhere and went back there almost as quickly. Always regarded them as a fine example of flat track bullies as leading football teams go, they'd flatten any disjointed shambles of a team no bother but even if an average team were well organised and put it up to them they struggled to get through.
Usual loss to Kerry hardly applied at that time, when referring to Munster championship which you are doing here. They beat Kerry in 2006, 2008 and 2009. That Cork team deserved their All-Ireland. 3 finals and 2 semi finals from 2006 to 2010. And in all that time they only lost to 1 team.
You only "deserve" something if you go and get it. They'd never have won a final against anyone else I feel and even at half time I thought Down had them. For all the ability on paper of that Cork team they really had a soft centre....there was always a flop in them on the big day.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
They probably didn't deserve the AI based on the performances of that year but they had been consistently good in the previous 3 years (bar games played in CP against Kerry) - more "deserving" of an AI than either Kildare or Down imo
Maybe but the way Kildare were playing that year (albeit after being upended by Louth) I felt they were the better team that year, Cork had their usual loss to Kerry and got the handiest possible draw going almost every time after that, and a Dublin team in the semi that was undergoing serious carthasis after the Kerry and Meath drubbings before becoming the team they are now, but they still could have won but for McConnell late on giving away a penalty and later getting the line, and a Down team in the final that came almost out of nowhere and went back there almost as quickly. Always regarded them as a fine example of flat track bullies as leading football teams go, they'd flatten any disjointed shambles of a team no bother but even if an average team were well organised and put it up to them they struggled to get through.
Usual loss to Kerry hardly applied at that time, when referring to Munster championship which you are doing here. They beat Kerry in 2006, 2008 and 2009. That Cork team deserved their All-Ireland. 3 finals and 2 semi finals from 2006 to 2010. And in all that time they only lost to 1 team.
You only "deserve" something if you go and get it. They'd never have won a final against anyone else I feel and even at half time I thought Down had them. For all the ability on paper of that Cork team they really had a soft centre....there was always a flop in them on the big day.
And they did go and get it!
We will never know if they would have beaten anyone else. I have my doubts they would have beaten Kerry. But they were better than everyone else they faced for the 5 preceeding years.
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Quote from: Owenmoresider on April 05, 2018, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on April 05, 2018, 12:49:22 AM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on April 04, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
They probably didn't deserve the AI based on the performances of that year but they had been consistently good in the previous 3 years (bar games played in CP against Kerry) - more "deserving" of an AI than either Kildare or Down imo
Maybe but the way Kildare were playing that year (albeit after being upended by Louth) I felt they were the better team that year, Cork had their usual loss to Kerry and got the handiest possible draw going almost every time after that, and a Dublin team in the semi that was undergoing serious carthasis after the Kerry and Meath drubbings before becoming the team they are now, but they still could have won but for McConnell late on giving away a penalty and later getting the line, and a Down team in the final that came almost out of nowhere and went back there almost as quickly. Always regarded them as a fine example of flat track bullies as leading football teams go, they'd flatten any disjointed shambles of a team no bother but even if an average team were well organised and put it up to them they struggled to get through.
Usual loss to Kerry hardly applied at that time, when referring to Munster championship which you are doing here. They beat Kerry in 2006, 2008 and 2009. That Cork team deserved their All-Ireland. 3 finals and 2 semi finals from 2006 to 2010. And in all that time they only lost to 1 team.
If we use the standard of "hardly applied" to 2010 then you can certainly use it to those years, for those wins were all in Munster and also all down in the Pairc (they still haven't beaten Kerry in Killarney since 1995), and what happened in each of those years when Kerry met them later on in Croke Park when it really did matter...
Also they might well have only lost to one team, but they didn't win too many games that they weren't already expected to. Bar those wins over Kerry (all in Munster and all in PuiC), Tyrone in 2009 was the biggest scalp they took, and tbf it was hard to argue with the merit of that one, there were other wins against Galway (05), Meath (07), Dublin (10), but they weren't exactly exceptional opponents at the time and Dublin were only evolving into the marauding force they have since become. We played them twice in that time, the first time we weren't really up to much, but were getting on top of them in the second half and were only 2 points behind until conceding a soft goal that killed us, and the second time our entire team completely froze, and yet Cork still only won by six points. A good team but far from a great one.
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Quote from: Owenmoresider on April 04, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
They probably didn't deserve the AI based on the performances of that year but they had been consistently good in the previous 3 years (bar games played in CP against Kerry) - more "deserving" of an AI than either Kildare or Down imo
Maybe but the way Kildare were playing that year (albeit after being upended by Louth) I felt they were the better team that year, Cork had their usual loss to Kerry and got the handiest possible draw going almost every time after that, and a Dublin team in the semi that was undergoing serious carthasis after the Kerry and Meath drubbings before becoming the team they are now, but they still could have won but for McConnell late on giving away a penalty and later getting the line, and a Down team in the final that came almost out of nowhere and went back there almost as quickly. Always regarded them as a fine example of flat track bullies as leading football teams go, they'd flatten any disjointed shambles of a team no bother but even if an average team were well organised and put it up to them they struggled to get through.
Usual loss to Kerry hardly applied at that time, when referring to Munster championship which you are doing here. They beat Kerry in 2006, 2008 and 2009. That Cork team deserved their All-Ireland. 3 finals and 2 semi finals from 2006 to 2010. And in all that time they only lost to 1 team.
If we use the standard of "hardly applied" to 2010 then you can certainly use it to those years, for those wins were all in Munster and also all down in the Pairc (they still haven't beaten Kerry in Killarney since 1995), and what happened in each of those years when Kerry met them later on in Croke Park when it really did matter...
Also they might well have only lost to one team, but they didn't win too many games that they weren't already expected to. Bar those wins over Kerry (all in Munster and all in PuiC), Tyrone in 2009 was the biggest scalp they took, and tbf it was hard to argue with the merit of that one, there were other wins against Galway (05), Meath (07), Dublin (10), but they weren't exactly exceptional opponents at the time and Dublin were only evolving into the marauding force they have since become. We played them twice in that time, the first time we weren't really up to much, but were getting on top of them in the second half and were only 2 points behind until conceding a soft goal that killed us, and the second time our entire team completely froze, and yet Cork still only won by six points. A good team but far from a great one.
I would not consider them one of the great teams either. Certainly not in the typical sporting use of the word. However my point, and reason for commenting initially, was that they deserved their all Ireland. The comment above that rarely has a team deserved an all Ireland less is inaccurate I feel. They showed commendable resilience and yes they fell over the line in the end, but they were the best team in the country that year.
Are Cork in Division 3 ???????
Is this thread still here? Some of us have moved on.
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Quote from: Owenmoresider on April 04, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 04, 2018, 07:01:44 PMThey were very lucky against kildare but not sure on the rest. I think had kildare beat down they'd have won the ai but that is another story.
Always thought the same, Kildare had great momentum that year and might well have done it had the officials done their job right in the semi. Rarely has a team deserved an All Ireland less than that Cork team in 2010, it was handed to them.
They probably didn't deserve the AI based on the performances of that year but they had been consistently good in the previous 3 years (bar games played in CP against Kerry) - more "deserving" of an AI than either Kildare or Down imo
Maybe but the way Kildare were playing that year (albeit after being upended by Louth) I felt they were the better team that year, Cork had their usual loss to Kerry and got the handiest possible draw going almost every time after that, and a Dublin team in the semi that was undergoing serious carthasis after the Kerry and Meath drubbings before becoming the team they are now, but they still could have won but for McConnell late on giving away a penalty and later getting the line, and a Down team in the final that came almost out of nowhere and went back there almost as quickly. Always regarded them as a fine example of flat track bullies as leading football teams go, they'd flatten any disjointed shambles of a team no bother but even if an average team were well organised and put it up to them they struggled to get through.
Usual loss to Kerry hardly applied at that time, when referring to Munster championship which you are doing here. They beat Kerry in 2006, 2008 and 2009. That Cork team deserved their All-Ireland. 3 finals and 2 semi finals from 2006 to 2010. And in all that time they only lost to 1 team.
If we use the standard of "hardly applied" to 2010 then you can certainly use it to those years, for those wins were all in Munster and also all down in the Pairc (they still haven't beaten Kerry in Killarney since 1995), and what happened in each of those years when Kerry met them later on in Croke Park when it really did matter...
Also they might well have only lost to one team, but they didn't win too many games that they weren't already expected to. Bar those wins over Kerry (all in Munster and all in PuiC), Tyrone in 2009 was the biggest scalp they took, and tbf it was hard to argue with the merit of that one, there were other wins against Galway (05), Meath (07), Dublin (10), but they weren't exactly exceptional opponents at the time and Dublin were only evolving into the marauding force they have since become. We played them twice in that time, the first time we weren't really up to much, but were getting on top of them in the second half and were only 2 points behind until conceding a soft goal that killed us, and the second time our entire team completely froze, and yet Cork still only won by six points. A good team but far from a great one.
I would not consider them one of the great teams either. Certainly not in the typical sporting use of the word. However my point, and reason for commenting initially, was that they deserved their all Ireland. The comment above that rarely has a team deserved an all Ireland less is inaccurate I feel. They showed commendable resilience and yes they fell over the line in the end, but they were the best team in the country that year.
No team deserves an All Ireland. You gotta earn it. That's all you hear about Mayo teams every year.
I actually thought that Cork were pretty good that year apart from the final. They had a very powerful running game off the ball which was very hard for defences to deal with players all running at very unconventional angles to create space for Others bursting through. I enjoyed seeing them three or four times live. I think the standard of the top teams then was far lower than it is now, with the current Dublin (especially) and Mayo teams much better than that Cork team but I don't think that Cork team was any worse than some Other all Ireland winners over the previous decade.