I see the Handicap keeps going down it was 20 points after Dublin beat Longford but now is as low as 14 ...
Is Cluxton worth 6 points to the Dubs?
Attride is a bigger loss he is Laois's best defender!
Should be a good open game but Dublin will probably have far too much from about 30 mins on!
Hopefully Laois can do what they did in Nolan park two years ago and make a fight of it!
What kind of crowd are they expecting?
Dublin are preparing for the super8, they won't be near full tilt. Anywhere else I would expect Dub to win by 6-8 but playing at home makes that a 10-12 spread.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCW6eFjc44&feature=youtu.be
I'm not sure how Jim Gavin manages to keep a straight face at times, the man talks some rubbish.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 19, 2018, 10:14:51 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCW6eFjc44&feature=youtu.be
I'm not sure how Jim Gavin manages to keep a straight face at times, the man talks some rubbish.
What's your problem with Jim Gavin's interview?
Jesus, he can't win. Make the usual "we take the opposition seriously, no matter how easily we think we'll beat them" remarks and he gets slaughtered for taking the piss. Admit that he thinks the Dubs will cruise to a handy 10 pt plus win and he'll get slaughtered for being arrogant, or showing the oppositon no respect. Inter county managers just can't win. Is it any wonder so many of them choose to keep the media at arms length?
Will anyone outside of Dublin or Laois even bother to watch this game?
Quote from: Unlaoised on June 19, 2018, 10:57:12 AM
I see the Handicap keeps going down it was 20 points after Dublin beat Longford but now is as low as 14 ...
Is Cluxton worth 6 points to the Dubs?
Attride is a bigger loss he is Laois's best defender!
Should be a good open game but Dublin will probably have far too much from about 30 mins on!
Hopefully Laois can do what they did in Nolan park two years ago and make a fight of it!
PP Handicap v Longford was 18. PP Handicap with Laois was initially 16 when I looked, now it's 15.
Cluxton is clearly a very important player for the Dubs. If there's a risk he could exacerbate the injury then I doubt he'll start, but he'll want to play. I think he'll be named in the program at number 1 either way.
I thought Comerford looked nervous enough (understandable for a young lad on his debut), in particular under the high ball. There was one very poor punch early on which almost led to a Laois goal chance but Jonny Cooper made a brilliant block. His kickouts were pretty much spot on, although Longford didn't put him under any real pressure in this regard as they'd only 14 men. If he does start, you would presume Laois will try to pressurise him.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2018, 09:58:51 AM
Will anyone outside of Dublin or Laois even bother to watch this game?
I will because I enjoy watching the tweaks Jim Gavin has made to the Dubs this year, like Kilkenny being closer to goal, Fenton definitely being more attack minded and how they get on without Cluxton. Laois will make a game of it if they can get enough decent ball into the Kingstons.
Laois need at least five more Kingstons to make a game of this.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 20, 2018, 11:51:44 AM
Laois need at least five more Kingstons to make a game of this.
The 2nd Kingston was actually very quiet v Carlow. They'll certainly need more from him.
I think the Laois keeper will do more than anyone to create an atmosphere!
Laois keeper will be told to stay put sunday id say ...he will be needed to stop shots not go on solo runs
This Antrim man may take a spin down the road. Enjoyed the Laois keeper v Carlow...why not tear on out...sure anyone can fill in in goals
Fancy the Dubs to win by how many they want but would love to see Laois get ahead and make a game if it
Realistically its best team ever v Div 4 and could be a 20 point plus win for the Dubs if they want it to be
Im just looking forward to the Carvery and anything else is a bonus!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2018, 09:58:51 AM
Will anyone outside of Dublin or Laois even bother to watch this game?
When the top teams get into their stride they can play some brilliant football, e.g. Mayo's 4-19 to 0-9 demolition of the Rossies last year ;)
I'm hoping that Laois will be competitive but it's a huge ask for a team coming from Division 4.
Really looking forward to 4pm on Sunday. Japan and Senegal game is on the TV!
I'm actually a bit worried about whether discord might raise its head in the Dubs camp this year. Like any successful team there's been a great bond and togetherness between the team of the last few years. It had threatened to go pear shaped about 5 years ago when Philly and Diarmo had serious fisticuffs at training, but they sorted that out and it brought everyone closer.
This year we've had Connolly leaving. Now it's certainly not all to do with Gavin, but the fact they don't really get on hasn't helped. And Gavin certainly didnt go all out to try and get him back onboard.
There have been rumours circulating, totally unsubstantiated, of a few of the sub forwards not being happy with their opportunities, or lack thereof, and in particular of the stated policy of training impacting on teamsheet not being adhered to.
Dubs have had a lot of injuries in defence during the league, and actually down to the bare bones with Howard being relocated from wing forward to wing back leaving the back 6 as Fitz-Philly-Lowndes, Howard-McCarthy-Cooper with only Daly really left as an adequate replacement.
But now McCaffrey, O'Sullivan, Small and Davy Byrne are all going to be available, so who gets left out? Some big decisions coming up and there's going to be some disappointed experienced players.
Okay its definitely easier to keep everyone happy when you're winning, but its harder when you're telling experienced All Ireland winners who are still at the top of their game in their own heads, that they're only on the bench. Will be interesting to see how Gavin manages to keep the happy camp.
If Dublin was split they'd all be getting on their first 15s ;)
Quote from: Hound on June 21, 2018, 08:41:49 AM
I'm actually a bit worried about whether discord might raise its head in the Dubs camp this year. Like any successful team there's been a great bond and togetherness between the team of the last few years. It had threatened to go pear shaped about 5 years ago when Philly and Diarmo had serious fisticuffs at training, but they sorted that out and it brought everyone closer.
This year we've had Connolly leaving. Now it's certainly not all to do with Gavin, but the fact they don't really get on hasn't helped. And Gavin certainly didnt go all out to try and get him back onboard.
There have been rumours circulating, totally unsubstantiated, of a few of the sub forwards not being happy with their opportunities, or lack thereof, and in particular of the stated policy of training impacting on teamsheet not being adhered to.
Dubs have had a lot of injuries in defence during the league, and actually down to the bare bones with Howard being relocated from wing forward to wing back leaving the back 6 as Fitz-Philly-Lowndes, Howard-McCarthy-Cooper with only Daly really left as an adequate replacement.
But now McCaffrey, O'Sullivan, Small and Davy Byrne are all going to be available, so who gets left out? Some big decisions coming up and there's going to be some disappointed experienced players.
Okay its definitely easier to keep everyone happy when you're winning, but its harder when you're telling experienced All Ireland winners who are still at the top of their game in their own heads, that they're only on the bench. Will be interesting to see how Gavin manages to keep the happy camp.
In summary, Dublin's primary weakness this year is the fact that they have too many good players.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 21, 2018, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 21, 2018, 08:41:49 AM
I'm actually a bit worried about whether discord might raise its head in the Dubs camp this year. Like any successful team there's been a great bond and togetherness between the team of the last few years. It had threatened to go pear shaped about 5 years ago when Philly and Diarmo had serious fisticuffs at training, but they sorted that out and it brought everyone closer.
This year we've had Connolly leaving. Now it's certainly not all to do with Gavin, but the fact they don't really get on hasn't helped. And Gavin certainly didnt go all out to try and get him back onboard.
There have been rumours circulating, totally unsubstantiated, of a few of the sub forwards not being happy with their opportunities, or lack thereof, and in particular of the stated policy of training impacting on teamsheet not being adhered to.
Dubs have had a lot of injuries in defence during the league, and actually down to the bare bones with Howard being relocated from wing forward to wing back leaving the back 6 as Fitz-Philly-Lowndes, Howard-McCarthy-Cooper with only Daly really left as an adequate replacement.
But now McCaffrey, O'Sullivan, Small and Davy Byrne are all going to be available, so who gets left out? Some big decisions coming up and there's going to be some disappointed experienced players.
Okay its definitely easier to keep everyone happy when you're winning, but its harder when you're telling experienced All Ireland winners who are still at the top of their game in their own heads, that they're only on the bench. Will be interesting to see how Gavin manages to keep the happy camp.
In summary, Dublin's primary weakness this year is the fact that they have too many good players.
We'll happily take some of them off your hands
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2018, 09:58:51 AM
Will anyone outside of Dublin or Laois even bother to watch this game?
One thing for sure if Laois lose we won't be locking this thread out of sourness of being beaten.
What do you mean IF....?
Quote from: Jinxy on June 21, 2018, 09:55:55 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 21, 2018, 08:41:49 AM
I'm actually a bit worried about whether discord might raise its head in the Dubs camp this year. Like any successful team there's been a great bond and togetherness between the team of the last few years. It had threatened to go pear shaped about 5 years ago when Philly and Diarmo had serious fisticuffs at training, but they sorted that out and it brought everyone closer.
This year we've had Connolly leaving. Now it's certainly not all to do with Gavin, but the fact they don't really get on hasn't helped. And Gavin certainly didnt go all out to try and get him back onboard.
There have been rumours circulating, totally unsubstantiated, of a few of the sub forwards not being happy with their opportunities, or lack thereof, and in particular of the stated policy of training impacting on teamsheet not being adhered to.
Dubs have had a lot of injuries in defence during the league, and actually down to the bare bones with Howard being relocated from wing forward to wing back leaving the back 6 as Fitz-Philly-Lowndes, Howard-McCarthy-Cooper with only Daly really left as an adequate replacement.
But now McCaffrey, O'Sullivan, Small and Davy Byrne are all going to be available, so who gets left out? Some big decisions coming up and there's going to be some disappointed experienced players.
Okay its definitely easier to keep everyone happy when you're winning, but its harder when you're telling experienced All Ireland winners who are still at the top of their game in their own heads, that they're only on the bench. Will be interesting to see how Gavin manages to keep the happy camp.
In summary, Dublin's primary weakness this year is the fact that they have too many good players.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
https://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/laois-have-skills-to-give-dublin-a-real-leinster-final-test-37035493.html (https://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/laois-have-skills-to-give-dublin-a-real-leinster-final-test-37035493.html)
Some patronising rubbish from Whelan in this article. Obviously tuned for his Dublin audience.
Name checks 35 year old Ross Munnelly as threat, now I was a big fan Ross back in the day, but Ross will be eaten alive by Dublin's defenders.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2018, 11:04:06 AM
https://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/laois-have-skills-to-give-dublin-a-real-leinster-final-test-37035493.html (https://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/laois-have-skills-to-give-dublin-a-real-leinster-final-test-37035493.html)
Some patronising rubbish from Whelan in this article. Obviously tuned for his Dublin audience.
Name checks 35 year old Ross Munnelly as threat, now I was a big fan Ross back in the day, but Ross will be eaten alive by Dublin's defenders.
That's it really.
Quote from: Hound on June 21, 2018, 08:41:49 AM
I'm actually a bit worried about whether discord might raise its head in the Dubs camp this year. Like any successful team there's been a great bond and togetherness between the team of the last few years. It had threatened to go pear shaped about 5 years ago when Philly and Diarmo had serious fisticuffs at training, but they sorted that out and it brought everyone closer.
This year we've had Connolly leaving. Now it's certainly not all to do with Gavin, but the fact they don't really get on hasn't helped. And Gavin certainly didnt go all out to try and get him back onboard.
There have been rumours circulating, totally unsubstantiated, of a few of the sub forwards not being happy with their opportunities, or lack thereof, and in particular of the stated policy of training impacting on teamsheet not being adhered to.
Dubs have had a lot of injuries in defence during the league, and actually down to the bare bones with Howard being relocated from wing forward to wing back leaving the back 6 as Fitz-Philly-Lowndes, Howard-McCarthy-Cooper with only Daly really left as an adequate replacement.
But now McCaffrey, O'Sullivan, Small and Davy Byrne are all going to be available, so who gets left out? Some big decisions coming up and there's going to be some disappointed experienced players.
Okay its definitely easier to keep everyone happy when you're winning, but its harder when you're telling experienced All Ireland winners who are still at the top of their game in their own heads, that they're only on the bench. Will be interesting to see how Gavin manages to keep the happy camp.
I think maybe the rumours are normal around such a well run squad and throw in the pressure of trying to equal Kerry's four in a row then the whispers can become incessant roars especially in a fan's mind!! Gavin has show to be adept in keeping a highly competitive and once in a generation talent wise squad together without much fuss but the pressure of wining four in a row must be huge even for the current Dubs setup.
On Connolly while they obviously didn't get on I don't think Jims rules or beliefs are the main reason he is gone because I am sure he was felxible with him to a point just as he turns a blind eye to Philly McMahon's media profile (which must privately annoy such a low profile charcter) or how he indulges Cluxton's need to play every single game despite this impacting on squad depth which Jim has been determined to build in every other position especially during the league and early championship games. Looking fom outside though Gavin seems to be an excellent man manager so if I were a Dubs fan I wouldn't worry too much about how he marshalls the boys returning from injury with the lads perfoming well in their absence.
I think the Dub fans should be happy with the tweaks which Gavin has introduced during the league and champioship so far, and the form of Mannion and McAuley especially. Gavin seems to have moved on the game plan slightly as he expects to come up against the new younger Kerry team to negate their strengths and maybe only us (which is a big if as we try to even reach the super 8's) can throw a spanner in the works as Dublin v Mayo championship games just seem to be an old fashion all out battle because of the way both teams match up in the middle third when both teams are at top form.Galway should trouble the Dubs with the forward talent they have but I think the tactics Kevin Walsh favours could well see Galway struggle in Croke park and the super 8's. For me only injuries could catch out Gavin and the Dubs with the extra games in the All Ireland series this year.
I see the margin of victory for Dublin on Sunday looking at the odds is 29 points. Now I know it's the best side v Laois who were playing division 4 football this spring but surely Laois won't be so poorly organized to allow themselves to ship a defeat like that in a provincial final?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 22, 2018, 02:31:22 PM
I see the margin of victory for Dublin on Sunday looking at the odds is 29 points. Now I know it's the best side v Laois who were playing division 4 football this spring but surely Laois won't be so poorly organized to allow themselves to ship a defeat like that in a provincial final?
It's half that
Quote from: Gold on June 20, 2018, 11:23:44 PM
This Antrim man may take a spin down the road. Enjoyed the Laois keeper v Carlow...why not tear on out...sure anyone can fill in in goals
Fancy the Dubs to win by how many they want but would love to see Laois get ahead and make a game if it
Realistically its best team ever v Div 4 and could be a 20 point plus win for the Dubs if they want it to be
Im just looking forward to the Carvery and anything else is a bonus!
good man make sure u shout for Laois
Only only about 40 hours to go. I'm beside myself at this stage. I don't think I can stand the tension.
That's the spirit Hardy.
The last time someone other than Dublin won Leinster was Louth in 2010, here's hoping Laois can do the same.
Quote from: laoislad on June 23, 2018, 08:54:01 AM
That's the spirit Hardy.
The last time someone other than Dublin won Leinster was Louth in 2010, here's hoping Laois can do the same.
I notice that the kick-off time of England's World Cup game has a brought forward to avoid a clash with the Dubs game. They don't want to lose viewers to the SuperDubs.
COYBIB
Laois, Laois, Laois, Laois, Laois, Laois, Laois, Laois!!!!!!
In summary, Dublin's primary weakness this year is the fact that they have too many good players.
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We'll happily take some of them off your hands
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When you say "WE", Mayoforsam, who exactly are you referring to.
What we have been told now for years, is finally coming to fruition.
This Dublin team is only a fad and today it finally showed signs of it decline!
Ciaran Kilkenny