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I am happy enough with that, you have nothing constructive to offer to this discussion, your archaic views are the primary reason the Church is struggling in modern society yet you see yourself as a champion of the Catholic church.  You really do not have a clue on this one.

So when someone disagrees with your cosy world-view you dismiss them as " nothing constructive" to offer. I have simply presented and opinion, it may not even be my personal opinion and all you can do is throw personal insults. Is that what passes for constructive debate of Gaaboard these days?

You're absolutely wrong. If a Doctor has a relationship with a patient - while the patient is in care of the hospital - that is wrong.

Doctors and patients are quite free to see each other outside of the hospital setting.

Unless you're suggesting that this affair was going on "inside" the actual grounds of the church - these two are totally different.

"Flagrant breach of the rules by someone who should know better"?
This is a man who fell in love with someone. I am sure this man has done more soul searching about this than any of us can imagine

"He should be hounded out of the parish"?
Jesus H Christ - I assume you'd be outside his door with your pitchfork and lantern then? By all accounts - this is one of the good men out there. Its a shame that he isnt strong enough to be your kinda priest.

The man is a Catholic priest. She is a divorced/separated Catholic. As a divorced/separated person the woman is obviously in estranged or in difficulties with the Church. In those circumstances, the duty of the priest is to provide for her spiritual well-being and guide her in such a way so as she can reconcile herself with the Church. So just like the doctor/patient comparison, the priest has a clear duty in such circumstances and that duty is most definitely not to be shagging her.

You need to get a grip on reality Donagh, honestly.

Case closed then 

And if we had put the boot into the priest you'd be calling us all anti church. Would ya ever give it a rest and stop talking rubbish. How is it a serious abuse of position for a man to form a relationship with a woman. The woman has divorced her husband so what he thinks is irrelevant. Are you some sort of fundamentalist catholic?, you weren't so quick to criticise the church when we were debating their abuse of children and subsequent cover up - instead you blamed the government. Or maybe that is your problem, protect the mechanics of the church but not the people who "belong" to it, is that it. Do you consider yourself a republican too?

It's not an abuse of position for a man and woman to form a relationship but it is for a priest for reasons I've outlined in previous posts. Now if you haven't the confidence in your position to debate an issue on it's merit without getting personal, I'll leave you to it.

Did it not say she's seperated from the husband. While it may be a massive storm in an tea cup locally its no big deal. Man shags woman. The world hasnt ended. And in other news cat miaows.

He's a priest. His duty in such situations would be to provide pastoral care and guidance to the woman, not get her into bed.

Are they estranged because of this, or was that already something that had happened?

Theres a huge difference in Teacher-  pupil relationships, compared to this and your other example.

Hes a man. Its naive of the church to believe that these kinds of things wont ever happen. Infact - I dont believe that the church thinks it wont happen.

No there's not. The teacher, doctor and priest are all placed in a position of trust by virtue of their positions. They are expected not to use their influence over the vulnerable or impressionable. This is not a question over the Church's celibacy rules but a flagrant breach of trust by someone who should know better. If he was a doctor he'd be struck off and possibly fired if he was a teacher. What do they do in Derry, they give him a fecking standing ovation! Been watching too many Hollywood rom-coms up there - the man should have been hounded out of the parish.

Oh I dunno...

Maybe between:
Northern Ireland - a politically divided society where ruthless gangs were murdering and terrorising the people, so that the forces of Law and Order allegedly  authorised a "Shoot-on-Sight" policy, to try to stop it all from escalating,
Versus
South Africa - a politically divided society where ruthless gangs are murdering and terrorising the people, so that the forces of Law and Order are publicly  authorising a "Shoot-on-Sight" policy, to try to stop it all from escalating...

No? 

You are insinuating there is something to compare in six Armagh murders in 1982 and something that's happening in South Africa at the moment.

In each of these incidents the RUC knowingly shot dead six unarmed men who could have been arrested. You allege this was an attempt to stop violence from escalating when it's obvious to all impartial observers that they were nothing more than revenge/reprisal killings by the state which could only escalate into more violence.

Now what exactly are the similarities with the article you have posted about South Africa?

Some fairly typical Gaaboard responses on this thread. In the rush to slap the priest on the back and stick the boot into the Church no one has considered the possibility of a very serious abuse of position and breech of trust by this priest. Would a teaching shagging his pupil, or a doctor a patient get the same reaction? I wonder what the woman's husband and father of the children thinks about it all.

However, it offers an interesting comparison to the situation in NI,

I must be missing something. What comparison?

Today is St Fintan of Rheinau. Not to be confused with any of the other 54 Irish St Fintans, this one was kidnapped by Vikings and jumped overboard somewhere near the Orkneys.

I'll be honest and say I envy yiz. Not enough hours in the day though.

Shoot-to-kill files disclosure delayed

The PSNI has asked for more time to hand over secret reports into "shoot-to-kill" incidents to the coroners' court.
Wednesday, 11 November 2009
police spokesman said: "Regrettably the PSNI has been unable to meet the deadline set by the coroner for disclosure of the reports.

"This is due to the volume and nature of the material to be processed and the complexity of the issues involved."

This comes a week after the police promised to hand over the top secret material.

The police service notified the coroner in advance of what it called an "unavoidable" delay. It is understood the force wants the matter deferred until February 2010.

The investigation into the shoot-to-kill incidents was conducted by former Greater Manchester Police Deputy Chief Constable John Stalker and Sir Colin Sampson of the West Yorkshire Police.

Their reports have never been made public.

In September Coroner John Leckey gave new Chief Constable Matt Baggott until November 9 to release the never published reports to the Coroner's Court to assist his investigation.

The alleged shoot-to-kill operations were carried out in the Co Armagh area in the weeks following the murders of three RUC officers in an IRA landmine.

They refer to three separate incidents:

    * The shooting dead of IRA men Gervaise McKerr, Eugene Toman and John Burns in Lurgan on November 11 1982.
    * The shooting of Catholic teenager Michael Tighe near Craigavon on November 24 1982.
    * The killings of INLA suspects Seamus Grew and Roddy Carroll near Armagh city on December 12 1982.

Sinn Fein Policing Board member Martina Anderson said: "Sinn Fein intends to raise the issue as a matter of urgency as we will not allow bad practices of the RUC to be carried through into the PSNI.

"We are demanding that the Stalker Report is given to the coroner's office immediately so that these inquests can proceed as soon as possible."


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Dubai investors (excluding investors of Zero Five Zero Limited developments)

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Escrow accounts

For investors in Sports City wishing to find out the status of their funds they need to contact Dubai Islamic bank. They are the escrow agents for the developments in Sports City.  Investors need to give their name and the unit number in the development and the bank will verify the funds.

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Sounds like he just wants his money back.

Join the Ulster Council mailing list, they're forever copying everyones address into the 'CC' box.

Ah right, maybe not then.