China Coronavirus

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

in relation to your daughter...March was a very differnet time and we werent as knowledgeable about covid... the aim is and should be for covid to effect other services as little as possible... this is not possible with numbers increasing... we already had wait lists etc. so health service is already strected and resources are limited and have always been limited...

[Seaney]

The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

in relation to your daughter...March was a very differnet time and we werent as knowledgeable about covid... the aim is and should be for covid to effect other services as little as possible... this is not possible with numbers increasing... we already had wait lists etc. so health service is already strected and resources are limited and have always been limited...

But it isn't about the number of people getting Covid, it is about the number of people needing beds and that is very low, also my point is the Health System in the North anyways is closed for most and had been since March,  this media narrative of publishing figures daily I don't understand.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The "let it rip" merchants seem to have forgotten the awful scenes from Italy last spring, a Country which has a very good health service which was totally overcome as Covud was ripping.
They also overlook the fact that the restrictions lowered the rate of infection.
"Health Officials on a power trip".
Such a ludicrous comment straight from the Gemma school of right wing nut job fuckwittery.
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

But sod them just "let it rip" and sure all will be fine.

It is a headline one would expect to see in the Sun, disproportionate and made with the only rational to get a reaction, it is quite pathetic that folk go down this route - there is no end game here - no vaccine will come to our aid, we have to learn to live with it, but you conclude that that means let it rip!

we tried living with it... numbers increased again after lockdown 1 so living with it is effectively lerting it rip or herd immunity approach..

if there is a successful way to live with it i am sure we wpuld all love to hear it and so would the governments of the world.

[Franko]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-54612567

The flu yer man said.

[trueblue1234]

The "let it rip" merchants seem to have forgotten the awful scenes from Italy last spring, a Country which has a very good health service which was totally overcome as Covud was ripping.
They also overlook the fact that the restrictions lowered the rate of infection.
"Health Officials on a power trip".
Such a ludicrous comment straight from the Gemma school of right wing nut job fuckwittery.
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

But sod them just "let it rip" and sure all will be fine.

It is a headline one would expect to see in the Sun, disproportionate and made with the only rational to get a reaction, it is quite pathetic that folk go down this route - there is no end game here - no vaccine will come to our aid, we have to learn to live with it, but you conclude that that means let it rip!

Can I ask why you state this? Is it based on anything?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

in relation to your daughter...March was a very differnet time and we werent as knowledgeable about covid... the aim is and should be for covid to effect other services as little as possible... this is not possible with numbers increasing... we already had wait lists etc. so health service is already strected and resources are limited and have always been limited...

But it isn't about the number of people getting Covid, it is about the number of people needing beds and that is very low, also my point is the Health System in the North anyways is closed for most and had been since March,  this media narrative of publishing figures daily I don't understand.

the more who have it, the more that need hospital treatment, the more that who need icu.....

[Seaney]

The "let it rip" merchants seem to have forgotten the awful scenes from Italy last spring, a Country which has a very good health service which was totally overcome as Covud was ripping.
They also overlook the fact that the restrictions lowered the rate of infection.
"Health Officials on a power trip".
Such a ludicrous comment straight from the Gemma school of right wing nut job fuckwittery.
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

But sod them just "let it rip" and sure all will be fine.

It is a headline one would expect to see in the Sun, disproportionate and made with the only rational to get a reaction, it is quite pathetic that folk go down this route - there is no end game here - no vaccine will come to our aid, we have to learn to live with it, but you conclude that that means let it rip!

we tried living with it... numbers increased again after lockdown 1 so living with it is effectively lerting it rip or herd immunity approach..

if there is a successful way to live with it i am sure we wpuld all love to hear it and so would the governments of the world.

There are several countries doing quite well as you know, living with it means there will be infections - seriously what is the end game you are searching for, if in 5 years time there is still no cure are you happy for the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of lives to be ruined with repeated lockdowns and missed cancer diagnosis, huge increase in alcohol and drug dependency, huge rise in suicides, failing relationships, family's tore apart -  to save a few hundred?

[GetOverTheBar]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-54612567

The flu yer man said.

Can anyone explain to me why they use per 100k of population for these figures.

So they say in this Derry has 770 per 100k  according to the Dept of Health but 55 people in the hospital. Why just not say 55 in hospital?

[Franko]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-54612567

The flu yer man said.

Can anyone explain to me why they use per 100k of population for these figures.

So they say in this Derry has 770 per 100k  according to the Dept of Health but 55 people in the hospital. Why just not say 55 in hospital?

Is this a serious question?

[Seaney]

The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

in relation to your daughter...March was a very differnet time and we werent as knowledgeable about covid... the aim is and should be for covid to effect other services as little as possible... this is not possible with numbers increasing... we already had wait lists etc. so health service is already strected and resources are limited and have always been limited...

But it isn't about the number of people getting Covid, it is about the number of people needing beds and that is very low, also my point is the Health System in the North anyways is closed for most and had been since March,  this media narrative of publishing figures daily I don't understand.

the more who have it, the more that need hospital treatment, the more that who need icu.....

Most won't need hospital treatment, less will need ICU, currently very few are getting any medial appointments - do you think that is proportionate?

[Seaney]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-54612567

The flu yer man said.

Can anyone explain to me why they use per 100k of population for these figures.

So they say in this Derry has 770 per 100k  according to the Dept of Health but 55 people in the hospital. Why just not say 55 in hospital?

Doesn't sound as scary.

[Seaney]

The "let it rip" merchants seem to have forgotten the awful scenes from Italy last spring, a Country which has a very good health service which was totally overcome as Covud was ripping.
They also overlook the fact that the restrictions lowered the rate of infection.
"Health Officials on a power trip".
Such a ludicrous comment straight from the Gemma school of right wing nut job fuckwittery.
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

But sod them just "let it rip" and sure all will be fine.

It is a headline one would expect to see in the Sun, disproportionate and made with the only rational to get a reaction, it is quite pathetic that folk go down this route - there is no end game here - no vaccine will come to our aid, we have to learn to live with it, but you conclude that that means let it rip!

Can I ask why you state this? Is it based on anything?

No I just made it up, having read this thread unless one is quoting a scientific officer in government pushing the we are all doomed narrative, it would seem just making things up for the posters here would have as much weight as quoting scientific evidence not from a government adviser.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

in relation to your daughter...March was a very differnet time and we werent as knowledgeable about covid... the aim is and should be for covid to effect other services as little as possible... this is not possible with numbers increasing... we already had wait lists etc. so health service is already strected and resources are limited and have always been limited...

But it isn't about the number of people getting Covid, it is about the number of people needing beds and that is very low, also my point is the Health System in the North anyways is closed for most and had been since March,  this media narrative of publishing figures daily I don't understand.

the more who have it, the more that need hospital treatment, the more that who need icu.....

Most won't need hospital treatment, less will need ICU, currently very few are getting any medial appointments - do you think that is proportionate?

but the numbers are increasing and will increase to a level where it cannot handle them or any other services if we continue to try and live with covid as we previously did

if the health service are not getting medical apts aove and beyond what is required for covid and expected covid then that is a failure on the health service not of lockdown. Lockdown reduces mumbers  of cases, numbers requiring hosilpital and numbers in icu.. it is then up to the health service to use that capacity appropriately.

[Keyser soze]

Jeez Angelo you must be one of the stupidest people ever on this board, and that is saying something.

Jesus lads, this is definitely the most anger filled thread in here in some time.

Angelo has some points like everyone else, some of the stuff he says is probably going to turn out true over the course of time. Some of the stuff, will be wrong.

Everyone is guessing at this stage still really, scarily.

Why are you quoting me when you said anger filled thread?

[Ed Ricketts]

The "let it rip" merchants seem to have forgotten the awful scenes from Italy last spring, a Country which has a very good health service which was totally overcome as Covud was ripping.
They also overlook the fact that the restrictions lowered the rate of infection.
"Health Officials on a power trip".
Such a ludicrous comment straight from the Gemma school of right wing nut job fuckwittery.
The less people getting Covid translates into more beds for people with other illnesses and more ICU beds for people who need major operations etc.

But sod them just "let it rip" and sure all will be fine.

It is a headline one would expect to see in the Sun, disproportionate and made with the only rational to get a reaction, it is quite pathetic that folk go down this route - there is no end game here - no vaccine will come to our aid, we have to learn to live with it, but you conclude that that means let it rip!

Can I ask why you state this? Is it based on anything?

This is an oddity of those opposed to any efforts to restrict COVID transmission.

Without very much at all to substantiate the prediction, they seem to have unilaterally decided that a vaccine will not be forthcoming. This idea is at the core of their argument.

There will not be a vaccine, so the delaying tactics of a lockdown are pointless, and that we need to transition to the new COVID world immediately.

Most with a semblance of wit can understand that this is an unreasonably position. Only six months of work has gone into developing a vaccine, and we have a lukewarm promise of one for next year. Even if none ever arrives, right now it is plainly much too early to give up on the prospect.