Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[imtommygunn]

Watching the limited scenes from Gaza tonight is genuinely heartbreaking

They are basically carpet bombing the place

It looks like an artist's illustration of hell

To think there were stupid bastards arguing a few days ago that the Israelis didn't bomb the hospital

The hospital is nothing to tonight's barrage

Surely at some point in the next few hours some of the main western leaders HAS to shout stop

   exactly what I am seeing too. It is absolutely brutal and how anyone can try and defend this is beyond me. There has to be intervention- has to be.

[seafoid]

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

"In an interview with Israel's Mako news outlet, one Apache pilot reflected on the tortuous dilemma of whether to shoot at people and cars returning to Gaza. He knew that many of those vehicles may have contained Israeli captives. But he chose to open fire anyway. "I choose targets like that," the pilot reflected, "where I tell myself that the chance that I am shooting here on hostages as well is low." However, he admitted that his judgment "was not 100%."

"I understand that we have to shoot here and quickly," the commander of the Apache unit, Lt. Col. E., told Mako in a separate report. "Shooting at people in our territory – this is something I never thought I would do."

Lt. Col. A., a reserve pilot in the same unit, described a fog of confusion: "I find myself in a dilemma as to what to shoot at, because there are so many of them."

A report on the Apache squadrons by the Israeli outlet Yedioth Aharanoth noted that "the pilots realized that there was tremendous difficulty in distinguishing within the occupied outposts and settlements who was a terrorist and who was a soldier or civilian... The rate of fire against the thousands of terrorists was tremendous at first, and only at a certain point did the pilots begin to slow down the attacks and carefully select the targets."Israeli security forces also opened fire on fleeing Israelis whom they mistook for Hamas gunmen. A resident of Ashkelon named Danielle Rachiel described nearly being killed after escaping from the Nova music festival when it was attacked by militants from Gaza. "As we reached the roundabout [at a kibbutz], we saw Israeli security forces!" Rachiel recalled. "We held our heads down [because] we automatically knew they'd be suspicious of us, in a small beat-up car... from the same direction the terrorists were coming from. Our forces began shooting at us!"

Basically Israeli blames Hamas for 1400 dead Israelis but the music festival and the kibbutz , both in Israel, were attaccked from the air by Israel.

Israel makes the INLA and the Shankill Butchers look like the Artane Boys Band.

[burdizzo]

The power of religion. Or the danger of religion. Goes beyond money.

religion is not the main point, just as in the 6 counties.

Can these people be accused of being anti Semites
https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/1718030480459620604

Religion is a big marker of identity and ethnicity. I reckon, just as in the Six Counties, there'd have been nothing if everyone was the same (sect of the same) religion.

It's all very well for them ones to wring their hands in the safety of NYC. It's meaningless. They're not threatened by the terror of Hamas.

[LC]

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

"In an interview with Israel's Mako news outlet, one Apache pilot reflected on the tortuous dilemma of whether to shoot at people and cars returning to Gaza. He knew that many of those vehicles may have contained Israeli captives. But he chose to open fire anyway. "I choose targets like that," the pilot reflected, "where I tell myself that the chance that I am shooting here on hostages as well is low." However, he admitted that his judgment "was not 100%."

"I understand that we have to shoot here and quickly," the commander of the Apache unit, Lt. Col. E., told Mako in a separate report. "Shooting at people in our territory – this is something I never thought I would do."

Lt. Col. A., a reserve pilot in the same unit, described a fog of confusion: "I find myself in a dilemma as to what to shoot at, because there are so many of them."

A report on the Apache squadrons by the Israeli outlet Yedioth Aharanoth noted that "the pilots realized that there was tremendous difficulty in distinguishing within the occupied outposts and settlements who was a terrorist and who was a soldier or civilian... The rate of fire against the thousands of terrorists was tremendous at first, and only at a certain point did the pilots begin to slow down the attacks and carefully select the targets."Israeli security forces also opened fire on fleeing Israelis whom they mistook for Hamas gunmen. A resident of Ashkelon named Danielle Rachiel described nearly being killed after escaping from the Nova music festival when it was attacked by militants from Gaza. "As we reached the roundabout [at a kibbutz], we saw Israeli security forces!" Rachiel recalled. "We held our heads down [because] we automatically knew they'd be suspicious of us, in a small beat-up car... from the same direction the terrorists were coming from. Our forces began shooting at us!"

Basically Israeli blames Hamas for 1400 dead Israelis but the music festival and the kibbutz , both in Israel, were attaccked from the air by Israel.

Israel makes the INLA and the Shankill Butchers look like the Artane Boys Band.

Could not agree more.

[Armagh18]

It's just not stopping. When is anyone going to step in and put an end to this madness 

Biden is a moron and a coward. Look at the balls he made of Afghanistan and had no compunction in leaving them to it. Trump had a part to play but sleepy Joe let it happen. They keep saying Israel has a right to defend itself as if killing 10,000 people (minimum) is defending yourself. Israel are Israel and this is expected behaviour- I blame Biden for most of this.

It's a succession of British and American leaders going back years and years. Realistically unless Russia, China or some middle eastern state steps in then in 50 years there'll be no more Palestine. Its like an extended holocaust.

[Milltown Row2]

Seafoid you stopped at 800 and then implied 600 were killed by friendly fire..

No one is disputing friendly fire, it happens and has happened on both sides, but figures of 600?

That's a stretch, no?

[seafoid]

The power of religion. Or the danger of religion. Goes beyond money.

religion is not the main point, just as in the 6 counties.

Can these people be accused of being anti Semites
https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/1718030480459620604

Religion is a big marker of identity and ethnicity. I reckon, just as in the Six Counties, there'd have been nothing if everyone was the same (sect of the same) religion.

It's all very well for them ones to wring their hands in the safety of NYC. It's meaningless. They're not threatened by the terror of Hamas.

Hamas don't bomb hospitals. They don't blow up Israeli apartment blocks. They don't burn people alive with white phosphorous. Israelis live meaningful lives. Palestinians do not. Croppies never did.

[gallsman]

The Grayzone ffs! Are f**king serious?!

Gript. The Grayzone. What next for the luminaries of this board to show how much they're not hoodwinked by the corrupt, bought and paid for by (insert figure opposed to your politics here) mainstream media. f**king Infowars?!

[seafoid]

The power of religion. Or the danger of religion. Goes beyond money.

religion is not the main point, just as in the 6 counties.

Can these people be accused of being anti Semites
https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/1718030480459620604

2 similarities with the North are

1. Settler colonialism. Ulster plantation started in 1607. Zionist plantation started 1881. The natives were forced off the good land and onto the bad land and the mountains. The North is about 2 cultures. 2 worlds colliding. So is Israel.  Hegemony is never over. It is always disputed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfe_KYM3l94

2. The British empire.You can throw in Sri Lanka, Cyprus and Kashmir.

[seafoid]

The power of religion. Or the danger of religion. Goes beyond money.

religion is not the main point, just as in the 6 counties.

Can these people be accused of being anti Semites
https://twitter.com/jvplive/status/1718030480459620604

2 similarities with the North are

1. Settler colonialism. Ulster plantation started in 1607. Zionist plantation started 1881. The natives were forced off the good land and onto the bad land and the mountains. The North is about 2 cultures. 2 worlds colliding. So is Israel.  Hegemony is never over. It is always disputed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfe_KYM3l94

2. The British empire.You can throw in Sri Lanka, Cyprus and Kashmir.

[seafoid]

Seafoid you stopped at 800 and then implied 600 were killed by friendly fire..

No one is disputing friendly fire, it happens and has happened on both sides, but figures of 600?

That's a stretch, no?

I said they did not kill 1400 and we don't know about the last 600.
It is all under military censorship now anyway. It's wrong to say that they killed 1400 people.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The Grayzone ffs! Are f**king serious?!

Gript. The Grayzone. What next for the luminaries of this board to show how much they're not hoodwinked by the corrupt, bought and paid for by (insert figure opposed to your politics here) mainstream media. f**king Infowars?!

So you ignore it because its the grayzone, you ignore the actual Israelis and what they actually said (not their govt)...  there is quotes, there are interviews. but it's the grayzone and we are all idiots.. 

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Seafoid you stopped at 800 and then implied 600 were killed by friendly fire..

No one is disputing friendly fire, it happens and has happened on both sides, but figures of 600?

That's a stretch, no?

it is not friendly fire when it is a deliberate act.

[seafoid]

The thing about the Israelis killed by their own side .Even if it was only 100 at the Kibbutz and the numbers were revised to 1300 killed by Hamas and 100 Israelis murdered by their own army for ideological reasons and this was all over UTV and BBC NI and Belfast Live and MUTV and The Sunday World and Sunday Life even loyalists and law and order types like Hound and Burdizzo would question their kneejerk support for Israel. This is why it is important and this why the data is not available. 

[seafoid]

Seafoid you stopped at 800 and then implied 600 were killed by friendly fire..

No one is disputing friendly fire, it happens and has happened on both sides, but figures of 600?

That's a stretch, no?

it is not friendly fire when it is a deliberate act.

Israel presented the kibbutz dead as burnt alive by Hamas when Israel killed them with missiles and tank attacks.
That is not friendly fire. That is seriously fucked up. And if it gets out to the regular media it is very, very bad for Israel. I don't know of any OECD country that would do that. Even Johnny Adair would never have done that.