Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Itchy]

The 3rd oldest Christian church in the world bombed last night. It was sheltering civilians and reports believe something like 100 dead. These were Christian Palestinians mostly which I imagine in US eyes are worth 3 Muslims each. I suppose its difficult to see churches, they don't really stand out in the skyline do they. Its a measure of the depravity going on that this is just getting a shoulder shrug from the media today. Maybe Hamas were inside getting their confessions taken, hadnt thought of that.

The media seem to shrug their shoulders at most deaths in conflict, tomorrow or the next day when the IDF go in there will be bloodshed for months. Gaza is at least getting media attention.

55 Civilians, Including 12 Children, 10 Women, and Two Individuals Who Died due to Torture Documented Killed in Syria in September 2023
Killings are Still a Daily Occurrence in Syria, With the Country Still One of the World's Worst in Terms of Bloodshed

Other countries going through similar atrocities, but some are at least getting some spotlight

https://snhr.org/blog/category/report/monthly-reports/victims-death-toll/

I've got to the point in life where you can only look after your own shit, piling the misery of other nations conflicts onto yourself will do you no good

What are you on about, wasn't Syria saved (maybe even defended?) by America and the people freed to live happily ever after.

So you are agreeing that the US is every bit as bad as Putin, Netanyahu etc
If that's the case we are in agreement. Historically we have help the yanks up to be better than that but the more we see the more we know it isn't.

We cant say all the problems of the world begin and end with them but I would say they are more responsible than any other country bar the Brits who started most of it.

Main reason was the Arab spring uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, the Americans only getting involved because ISIS was being allowed to train its fighters there and Russia's entry was to stop western influences.

The place is a cluster f**k and not because of the Americans

The Middle East has always been, through history, a cluster f**k sitting on a timebomb ready to explode and at the minute who knows how this will escalate and spread to major cities around the world.

You probably cheered at 9/11 also, considering they deserved it

Why people are getting more carried away at what's happening in Palestine, when there are more atrocities elsewhere is a strange one but I don't see too many Syria flags or Somalian flegs uppa Falls

No I didn't cheer at 9/11 and only a sick p***k would even suggest such a thing.

And by the way, the americans got involved in the Arab Spring risings to over throw the peoples choice and to replace it with a puppet they would control or is that me just being anti American again. Those dumb Arabs have no idea how to use democracy so we will do it for them. Ah the land of free that started with their own genocide.

[NAG1]

The thing I keep coming back to time and time again in this is the 'failure' of Israeli intelligence.

We are some how supposed to believe that they can tell that Hamas are hiding in these bunkers and basements in densely populated areas, but yet they had no idea the initial attack was coming.

[Milltown Row2]

The thing I keep coming back to time and time again in this is the 'failure' of Israeli intelligence.

We are some how supposed to believe that they can tell that Hamas are hiding in these bunkers and basements in densely populated areas, but yet they had no idea the initial attack was coming.

Maybe the Americans hid that information....

Look said before, you only need to get lucky once, if the Israeli government allowed that to happen, that will come out, as 1,400 people lost their lives, over 200 hostages being held in Gaza, with, lets face it, zero chance of survival when the army goes in, if it became public knowledge that they knew this was happening I doubt very much the ordinary Israeli would accept that for 'flattening' Gaza as an end goal.

[Milltown Row2]

The 3rd oldest Christian church in the world bombed last night. It was sheltering civilians and reports believe something like 100 dead. These were Christian Palestinians mostly which I imagine in US eyes are worth 3 Muslims each. I suppose its difficult to see churches, they don't really stand out in the skyline do they. Its a measure of the depravity going on that this is just getting a shoulder shrug from the media today. Maybe Hamas were inside getting their confessions taken, hadnt thought of that.

The media seem to shrug their shoulders at most deaths in conflict, tomorrow or the next day when the IDF go in there will be bloodshed for months. Gaza is at least getting media attention.

55 Civilians, Including 12 Children, 10 Women, and Two Individuals Who Died due to Torture Documented Killed in Syria in September 2023
Killings are Still a Daily Occurrence in Syria, With the Country Still One of the World's Worst in Terms of Bloodshed

Other countries going through similar atrocities, but some are at least getting some spotlight

https://snhr.org/blog/category/report/monthly-reports/victims-death-toll/

I've got to the point in life where you can only look after your own shit, piling the misery of other nations conflicts onto yourself will do you no good

What are you on about, wasn't Syria saved (maybe even defended?) by America and the people freed to live happily ever after.

So you are agreeing that the US is every bit as bad as Putin, Netanyahu etc
If that's the case we are in agreement. Historically we have help the yanks up to be better than that but the more we see the more we know it isn't.

We cant say all the problems of the world begin and end with them but I would say they are more responsible than any other country bar the Brits who started most of it.

Main reason was the Arab spring uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt, the Americans only getting involved because ISIS was being allowed to train its fighters there and Russia's entry was to stop western influences.

The place is a cluster f**k and not because of the Americans

The Middle East has always been, through history, a cluster f**k sitting on a timebomb ready to explode and at the minute who knows how this will escalate and spread to major cities around the world.

You probably cheered at 9/11 also, considering they deserved it

Why people are getting more carried away at what's happening in Palestine, when there are more atrocities elsewhere is a strange one but I don't see too many Syria flags or Somalian flegs uppa Falls

No I didn't cheer at 9/11 and only a sick p***k would even suggest such a thing.

And by the way, the americans got involved in the Arab Spring risings to over throw the peoples choice and to replace it with a puppet they would control or is that me just being anti American again. Those dumb Arabs have no idea how to use democracy so we will do it for them. Ah the land of free that started with their own genocide.

Are we talking about the Republic here?

I'd say there isnt too many countries that didn't start with trying to wipe out themons

As for no USA involvement in other Arab countries, you feel the Saudis are doing a great job?

[Eamonnca1]

And by the way, the americans got involved in the Arab Spring risings to over throw the peoples choice and to replace it with a puppet they would control or is that me just being anti American again. Those dumb Arabs have no idea how to use democracy so we will do it for them. Ah the land of free that started with their own genocide.

This is either a misfired attempt at sarcasm or is spectacularly stupid. The Arab Spring uprisings were sparked by rising food prices. They were against corrupt, unelected regimes and they were a demand for democracy.

[burdizzo]

And by the way, the americans got involved in the Arab Spring risings to over throw the peoples choice and to replace it with a puppet they would control or is that me just being anti American again. Those dumb Arabs have no idea how to use democracy so we will do it for them. Ah the land of free that started with their own genocide.

This is either a misfired attempt at sarcasm or is spectacularly stupid. The Arab Spring uprisings were sparked by rising food prices. They were against corrupt, unelected regimes and they were a demand for democracy.

They may have been sparked by rising food prices, but they were certainly fanned by American involvement.

[Armagh18]

Russia has no agency, nor do the likes of Ukraine who were pushing for NATO membership and European integration?

I spoke about lies above. One of the most pernicious lies is that somehow Ukraine's actions are directed by the US, the EU or someone else. Ukraine does not want to ruled by Russia, why the f*ck should it, and it wants to join the EU and NATO to ensure that it is not ruled by Russia.
An analogy is Brexit, if you read the Telegraph, Daily Mail etc you would believe that Varadkar was being directed by the EU to cause problems in the 6 counties. Of course, the reality is that the Irish people do not want a trade border on this island and they told Varadkar to go to the EU and ensure that they did not have one.

If someone is to make an argument then transparent bollix does not help.

Ukraine hasn't been ruled by Russia for a long time but something changed in the last few yrs. Go have a look at a map of NATO and US bases around the world and you might get a clue. Have a look at the bases around China too. If you think the USA are the good guys these days you need to get your head checked out.

They never were the good guys were they? Maybe up to WW2 but since then they've consistently stuck their noses in and started or made worse every single conflict since. 

[bennydorano]

And by the way, the americans got involved in the Arab Spring risings to over throw the peoples choice and to replace it with a puppet they would control or is that me just being anti American again. Those dumb Arabs have no idea how to use democracy so we will do it for them. Ah the land of free that started with their own genocide.

This is either a misfired attempt at sarcasm or is spectacularly stupid. The Arab Spring uprisings were sparked by rising food prices. They were against corrupt, unelected regimes and they were a demand for democracy.

They may have been sparked by rising food prices, but they were certainly fanned by American involvement.

My own personal lasting memory of it all is David Cameron cheerleading continually for it, it was all rhetoric with no actual substance behind it.

[Itchy]

And by the way, the americans got involved in the Arab Spring risings to over throw the peoples choice and to replace it with a puppet they would control or is that me just being anti American again. Those dumb Arabs have no idea how to use democracy so we will do it for them. Ah the land of free that started with their own genocide.

This is either a misfired attempt at sarcasm or is spectacularly stupid. The Arab Spring uprisings were sparked by rising food prices. They were against corrupt, unelected regimes and they were a demand for democracy.

No lad, you just read it wrong. The yanks got involved to throw out the new popular leaders to be replaced with their stooges. The welfare of the people there if zero interest. Did same in numerous countries in South and Latin America

[armaghniac]

They never were the good guys were they? Maybe up to WW2 but since then they've consistently stuck their noses in and started or made worse every single conflict since. 

They are on the right side in Ukraine.

[Eire90]

An Israeli politician issued a series of furious threats against Russia during an appearance on a Russian state-controlled TV network Thursday, vowing to retaliate against Moscow's actions during the wars in Ukraine and Gaza. Amir Weitmann, the founder and chairman of the libertarian caucus in Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, said "Russia will pay the price" after Israel defeats Hamas. "Russia will pay the price?" British RT host Rory Suchet asked incredulously. "Russia is supporting the enemies of Israel," Weitmann raged. "Russia is supporting Nazi people who want to commit genocide on us." He went on to add: "We're not forgetting what you are doing. We're not forgetting. We will come. We will make sure that Ukraine wins. We will make sure that you pay the price for what you have done." In a televised address Thursday night, President Joe Biden linked Hamas and Russia, saying they "both want to annihilate a neighboring democracy."

[PadraicHenryPearse]

2 US hostages released I believe.

Ursela von der leyen still warmonging at every opportunity

another hospital getting warnings of being targeted.

[AustinPowers]

And by the way, the americans got involved in the Arab Spring risings to over throw the peoples choice and to replace it with a puppet they would control or is that me just being anti American again. Those dumb Arabs have no idea how to use democracy so we will do it for them. Ah the land of free that started with their own genocide.

This is either a misfired attempt at sarcasm or is spectacularly stupid. The Arab Spring uprisings were sparked by rising food prices. They were against corrupt, unelected regimes and they were a demand for democracy.

No lad, you just read it wrong. The yanks got involved to throw out the new popular leaders to be replaced with their stooges. The welfare of the people there if zero interest. Did same in numerous countries in South and Latin America

Correct

[Milltown Row2]

And by the way, the americans got involved in the Arab Spring risings to over throw the peoples choice and to replace it with a puppet they would control or is that me just being anti American again. Those dumb Arabs have no idea how to use democracy so we will do it for them. Ah the land of free that started with their own genocide.

This is either a misfired attempt at sarcasm or is spectacularly stupid. The Arab Spring uprisings were sparked by rising food prices. They were against corrupt, unelected regimes and they were a demand for democracy.

No lad, you just read it wrong. The yanks got involved to throw out the new popular leaders to be replaced with their stooges. The welfare of the people there if zero interest. Did same in numerous countries in South and Latin America

Correct

The problem in that area has been going on before Columbus found America, so you're both incorrect

[SHEEDY]

Channel 4 news tonight with a report from independent experts claiming the rocket fired at the hospital came from the direction of Israel and not from the western direction which Israel claimed. The trajectory and sound boom it created came from the opposite direction that Israel said.

They also claim the recording of 2 Hamas fighters discussing the attack was a digitally altered copy and couldn't be used as any sort of credible evidence.


Another hospital warned to evacuate tonight as Israel continues its targeting of supposedly safe spaces.