Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Hound]

Israel has just released what 'looks to be' compelling evidence that the hospital explosion was caused by misfiring Islamic jihad rockets from a nearby cemetery and not by Israel. We'll see if it stands up.
Like everything in this conflict, it's horrific

It doesnt

So you just automatically believe the Hamas explanation?

As the Sky News reporter said immediately after the IDF press conference, what the Israelis say is going on in Gaza is usually very different to the reality of what's actually happening. However, in this press conference they were anxious to be open and transparent. They usually only accept questions from selected press, this time everyone who wanted to ask a question seemed to be allowed. They seem very confident they are on the right side of this incident.

I don't know whether it's Hamas or Israel that is bald faced lying about the hospital massacre. The key factor seems to be whether the hospital is standing or not. Israel says any structural damage is minor, whereas if it was their missiles it would be destroyed. They say the car park took the brunt, yet there is no crater. Therefore they say it was Palestinian rockets and that the accelerant/fuel caused as much damage as the rockets themselves as they had been launched close by. And then there was multiple small explosions as vehicles went up and fires started, that did reach the hospital. Most people who died were taking shelter in the car park rather than in the hospital. They say they welcome independent media to visit the site but Hamas are trying to seal it off to prevent this.

Unlike Netanyahu, who seemed to be implying Hamas deliberately targeted the hospital to gain sympathy etc, the IDF spokesman was clear this was a misfiring Palestinian rocket aimed at Israel.

I don't know what happened to the hospital but I'm prepared to listen to both sides with an open mind. Apart from mowing down the initial Hamas killers, I've been very much against the Israeli response, but blaming them for an atrocity before there's anything close to proof will only backfire

[north_antrim_hound]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4idQbwsvtUo

Why does morgan keep bringing on guest that can rip him to shreds.

[Taylor]

Israel has just released what 'looks to be' compelling evidence that the hospital explosion was caused by misfiring Islamic jihad rockets from a nearby cemetery and not by Israel. We'll see if it stands up.
Like everything in this conflict, it's horrific

It doesnt

So you just automatically believe the Hamas explanation?

As the Sky News reporter said immediately after the IDF press conference, what the Israelis say is going on in Gaza is usually very different to the reality of what's actually happening. However, in this press conference they were anxious to be open and transparent. They usually only accept questions from selected press, this time everyone who wanted to ask a question seemed to be allowed. They seem very confident they are on the right side of this incident.

I don't know whether it's Hamas or Israel that is bald faced lying about the hospital massacre. The key factor seems to be whether the hospital is standing or not. Israel says any structural damage is minor, whereas if it was their missiles it would be destroyed. They say the car park took the brunt, yet there is no crater. Therefore they say it was Palestinian rockets and that the accelerant/fuel caused as much damage as the rockets themselves as they had been launched close by. And then there was multiple small explosions as vehicles went up and fires started, that did reach the hospital. Most people who died were taking shelter in the car park rather than in the hospital. They say they welcome independent media to visit the site but Hamas are trying to seal it off to prevent this.

Unlike Netanyahu, who seemed to be implying Hamas deliberately targeted the hospital to gain sympathy etc, the IDF spokesman was clear this was a misfiring Palestinian rocket aimed at Israel.

I don't know what happened to the hospital but I'm prepared to listen to both sides with an open mind. Apart from mowing down the initial Hamas killers, I've been very much against the Israeli response, but blaming them for an atrocity before there's anything close to proof will only backfire

Did members of the Israeli ministry tweet that a hospital had been hit by their rockets and then delete the tweet?

[Armagh18]

Israel has just released what 'looks to be' compelling evidence that the hospital explosion was caused by misfiring Islamic jihad rockets from a nearby cemetery and not by Israel. We'll see if it stands up.
Like everything in this conflict, it's horrific

It doesnt

So you just automatically believe the Hamas explanation?

As the Sky News reporter said immediately after the IDF press conference, what the Israelis say is going on in Gaza is usually very different to the reality of what's actually happening. However, in this press conference they were anxious to be open and transparent. They usually only accept questions from selected press, this time everyone who wanted to ask a question seemed to be allowed. They seem very confident they are on the right side of this incident.

I don't know whether it's Hamas or Israel that is bald faced lying about the hospital massacre. The key factor seems to be whether the hospital is standing or not. Israel says any structural damage is minor, whereas if it was their missiles it would be destroyed. They say the car park took the brunt, yet there is no crater. Therefore they say it was Palestinian rockets and that the accelerant/fuel caused as much damage as the rockets themselves as they had been launched close by. And then there was multiple small explosions as vehicles went up and fires started, that did reach the hospital. Most people who died were taking shelter in the car park rather than in the hospital. They say they welcome independent media to visit the site but Hamas are trying to seal it off to prevent this.

Unlike Netanyahu, who seemed to be implying Hamas deliberately targeted the hospital to gain sympathy etc, the IDF spokesman was clear this was a misfiring Palestinian rocket aimed at Israel.

I don't know what happened to the hospital but I'm prepared to listen to both sides with an open mind. Apart from mowing down the initial Hamas killers, I've been very much against the Israeli response, but blaming them for an atrocity before there's anything close to proof will only backfire

Did members of the Israeli ministry tweet that a hospital had been hit by their rockets and then delete the tweet?

They issued a warning to evacuate it apparently.

[dec]

I thought it's was interesting that Israel are blaming Islamic jihad rather than Hamas.

On a separate issue I don't think the Arabs should have cancelled the meetings with Biden even in the circumstances.

[Itchy]

Israel has just released what 'looks to be' compelling evidence that the hospital explosion was caused by misfiring Islamic jihad rockets from a nearby cemetery and not by Israel. We'll see if it stands up.
Like everything in this conflict, it's horrific

It doesnt

So you just automatically believe the Hamas explanation?

As the Sky News reporter said immediately after the IDF press conference, what the Israelis say is going on in Gaza is usually very different to the reality of what's actually happening. However, in this press conference they were anxious to be open and transparent. They usually only accept questions from selected press, this time everyone who wanted to ask a question seemed to be allowed. They seem very confident they are on the right side of this incident.

I don't know whether it's Hamas or Israel that is bald faced lying about the hospital massacre. The key factor seems to be whether the hospital is standing or not. Israel says any structural damage is minor, whereas if it was their missiles it would be destroyed. They say the car park took the brunt, yet there is no crater. Therefore they say it was Palestinian rockets and that the accelerant/fuel caused as much damage as the rockets themselves as they had been launched close by. And then there was multiple small explosions as vehicles went up and fires started, that did reach the hospital. Most people who died were taking shelter in the car park rather than in the hospital. They say they welcome independent media to visit the site but Hamas are trying to seal it off to prevent this.

Unlike Netanyahu, who seemed to be implying Hamas deliberately targeted the hospital to gain sympathy etc, the IDF spokesman was clear this was a misfiring Palestinian rocket aimed at Israel.

I don't know what happened to the hospital but I'm prepared to listen to both sides with an open mind. Apart from mowing down the initial Hamas killers, I've been very much against the Israeli response, but blaming them for an atrocity before there's anything close to proof will only backfire

Because Hound, on two separate tweets immediately after the blast Israeli forces admitted hitting the hospital and even boasted about it. One said that "we heard there are no medical supplies in the hospital so we decided to put them out of their misery" (this one was on their arabic channel). Plenty of screen grabs taken online. Then they deleted those messages and put up a video supposedly showing a Hamas rocket doing the damage but a journalist pointed out the time stamp was 40 mins after the event. So that was deleted too. Now we just have words from them saying their intelligence says it was a islamic jihad group. Its complete lies and I repeat, if you believe anything Israel says you are an idiot.

[Hound]

Israel has just released what 'looks to be' compelling evidence that the hospital explosion was caused by misfiring Islamic jihad rockets from a nearby cemetery and not by Israel. We'll see if it stands up.
Like everything in this conflict, it's horrific

It doesnt

So you just automatically believe the Hamas explanation?

As the Sky News reporter said immediately after the IDF press conference, what the Israelis say is going on in Gaza is usually very different to the reality of what's actually happening. However, in this press conference they were anxious to be open and transparent. They usually only accept questions from selected press, this time everyone who wanted to ask a question seemed to be allowed. They seem very confident they are on the right side of this incident.

I don't know whether it's Hamas or Israel that is bald faced lying about the hospital massacre. The key factor seems to be whether the hospital is standing or not. Israel says any structural damage is minor, whereas if it was their missiles it would be destroyed. They say the car park took the brunt, yet there is no crater. Therefore they say it was Palestinian rockets and that the accelerant/fuel caused as much damage as the rockets themselves as they had been launched close by. And then there was multiple small explosions as vehicles went up and fires started, that did reach the hospital. Most people who died were taking shelter in the car park rather than in the hospital. They say they welcome independent media to visit the site but Hamas are trying to seal it off to prevent this.

Unlike Netanyahu, who seemed to be implying Hamas deliberately targeted the hospital to gain sympathy etc, the IDF spokesman was clear this was a misfiring Palestinian rocket aimed at Israel.

I don't know what happened to the hospital but I'm prepared to listen to both sides with an open mind. Apart from mowing down the initial Hamas killers, I've been very much against the Israeli response, but blaming them for an atrocity before there's anything close to proof will only backfire

Because Hound, on two separate tweets immediately after the blast Israeli forces admitted hitting the hospital and even boasted about it. One said that "we heard there are no medical supplies in the hospital so we decided to put them out of their misery" (this one was on their arabic channel). Plenty of screen grabs taken online. Then they deleted those messages and put up a video supposedly showing a Hamas rocket doing the damage but a journalist pointed out the time stamp was 40 mins after the event. So that was deleted too. Now we just have words from them saying their intelligence says it was a islamic jihad group. Its complete lies and I repeat, if you believe anything Israel says you are an idiot.

Your last line is hilarious given the rest of your response is 100% social media unsubstantiated nonsense. 

As I said above, I'm not on the side of the Israelis and am sickened by the collective punishment attacks they are undertaking, but we'll wait and see whether the Israeli explanation re the hospital holds water, and I think the truth will come out this time. But feel free to believe everything Hamas says!

Why not debate the points actually raised in an official public forum in relation to the hospital massacre rather than pointing to social media nonsense? I'm very interested to hear other points of view, but I certainly don't believe what I read on social media, deleted tweets, unofficial accounts, etc, etc.

[Hound]

I thought it's was interesting that Israel are blaming Islamic jihad rather than Hamas.

On a separate issue I don't think the Arabs should have cancelled the meetings with Biden even in the circumstances.

Not only that but also that it was an accident. I think they are using this as an opportunity to tell a truth that holds up, which they can use to their advantage later.  But we'll see.

Another thing the IDF spokesman said that was interesting was he didn't blame Egypt, Jordan, UAE at all for jumping to the conclusion that Israel did it but now that their new evidence will show them the truth.

Al Jazeera are still going all-in that Israel deliberately bombed the hospital.
One of their reporters earlier speculated that one of the reasons the Arabs won't speak to Biden as initially planned is that Biden is not ready to call for a ceasefire yet.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Hospital explosion and Hamas rocket context...

https://twitter.com/AllezLesBoulez/status/1714378224099053600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1714378224099053600%7Ctwgr%5E0d31a1f3baa970f5804663ec9c7875afae268d77%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onetouchfootball.com%2Fforum%2Fone-touch-football%2Fworld%2F2124229-israel%2Fpage73

[tonto1888]

Israel has just released what 'looks to be' compelling evidence that the hospital explosion was caused by misfiring Islamic jihad rockets from a nearby cemetery and not by Israel. We'll see if it stands up.
Like everything in this conflict, it's horrific

It doesnt

So you just automatically believe the Hamas explanation?

As the Sky News reporter said immediately after the IDF press conference, what the Israelis say is going on in Gaza is usually very different to the reality of what's actually happening. However, in this press conference they were anxious to be open and transparent. They usually only accept questions from selected press, this time everyone who wanted to ask a question seemed to be allowed. They seem very confident they are on the right side of this incident.

I don't know whether it's Hamas or Israel that is bald faced lying about the hospital massacre. The key factor seems to be whether the hospital is standing or not. Israel says any structural damage is minor, whereas if it was their missiles it would be destroyed. They say the car park took the brunt, yet there is no crater. Therefore they say it was Palestinian rockets and that the accelerant/fuel caused as much damage as the rockets themselves as they had been launched close by. And then there was multiple small explosions as vehicles went up and fires started, that did reach the hospital. Most people who died were taking shelter in the car park rather than in the hospital. They say they welcome independent media to visit the site but Hamas are trying to seal it off to prevent this.

Unlike Netanyahu, who seemed to be implying Hamas deliberately targeted the hospital to gain sympathy etc, the IDF spokesman was clear this was a misfiring Palestinian rocket aimed at Israel.

I don't know what happened to the hospital but I'm prepared to listen to both sides with an open mind. Apart from mowing down the initial Hamas killers, I've been very much against the Israeli response, but blaming them for an atrocity before there's anything close to proof will only backfire

I dont now what to believe in this instant. Usually I dont believeanything Israel say bit as you point out theyre being very open/ Both are plausible I think

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Israel: Yeah, we bombed Northern Gaza to rubble, back to the stone age.  And we bombed parts of Southern Gaza (yeah, the part we told everyone to go to).  But the hospital? Nah, that was someone else.

[whitey]

People will believe whatever version of events that fuels their narrative

[Franko]

People will believe whatever version of events that fuels their narrative

Idiots will

In the absence of definitive proof, anyone with a brain will look at the available evidence and history and make a decision on where the truth lies

[Itchy]

Israel has just released what 'looks to be' compelling evidence that the hospital explosion was caused by misfiring Islamic jihad rockets from a nearby cemetery and not by Israel. We'll see if it stands up.
Like everything in this conflict, it's horrific

It doesnt

So you just automatically believe the Hamas explanation?

As the Sky News reporter said immediately after the IDF press conference, what the Israelis say is going on in Gaza is usually very different to the reality of what's actually happening. However, in this press conference they were anxious to be open and transparent. They usually only accept questions from selected press, this time everyone who wanted to ask a question seemed to be allowed. They seem very confident they are on the right side of this incident.

I don't know whether it's Hamas or Israel that is bald faced lying about the hospital massacre. The key factor seems to be whether the hospital is standing or not. Israel says any structural damage is minor, whereas if it was their missiles it would be destroyed. They say the car park took the brunt, yet there is no crater. Therefore they say it was Palestinian rockets and that the accelerant/fuel caused as much damage as the rockets themselves as they had been launched close by. And then there was multiple small explosions as vehicles went up and fires started, that did reach the hospital. Most people who died were taking shelter in the car park rather than in the hospital. They say they welcome independent media to visit the site but Hamas are trying to seal it off to prevent this.

Unlike Netanyahu, who seemed to be implying Hamas deliberately targeted the hospital to gain sympathy etc, the IDF spokesman was clear this was a misfiring Palestinian rocket aimed at Israel.

I don't know what happened to the hospital but I'm prepared to listen to both sides with an open mind. Apart from mowing down the initial Hamas killers, I've been very much against the Israeli response, but blaming them for an atrocity before there's anything close to proof will only backfire

Because Hound, on two separate tweets immediately after the blast Israeli forces admitted hitting the hospital and even boasted about it. One said that "we heard there are no medical supplies in the hospital so we decided to put them out of their misery" (this one was on their arabic channel). Plenty of screen grabs taken online. Then they deleted those messages and put up a video supposedly showing a Hamas rocket doing the damage but a journalist pointed out the time stamp was 40 mins after the event. So that was deleted too. Now we just have words from them saying their intelligence says it was a islamic jihad group. Its complete lies and I repeat, if you believe anything Israel says you are an idiot.

Your last line is hilarious given the rest of your response is 100% social media unsubstantiated nonsense. 

As I said above, I'm not on the side of the Israelis and am sickened by the collective punishment attacks they are undertaking, but we'll wait and see whether the Israeli explanation re the hospital holds water, and I think the truth will come out this time. But feel free to believe everything Hamas says!

Why not debate the points actually raised in an official public forum in relation to the hospital massacre rather than pointing to social media nonsense? I'm very interested to hear other points of view, but I certainly don't believe what I read on social media, deleted tweets, unofficial accounts, etc, etc.

It is social media from Israels defense forces that was posted as the strike happened. Its there for you to see if you have the brains to work a phone or laptop.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Doctors Without Borders have made the following statement.

"Doctors in Gaza are now carrying out operations without anaesthetics."

https://twitter.com/EmergMedDr/status/1714604300033224753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1714604300033224753%7Ctwgr%5E403016bec96fea989032cd7fbac8f20b12ed1688%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onetouchfootball.com%2Fforum%2Fone-touch-football%2Fworld%2F2124229-israel%2Fpage75