Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[seafoid]

Israel has asked 1.1 million people to leave Gaza while it carpet bombs their homes. Egypt told them not to go to Egypt.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-uk-leaders-paving-way-ethnic-cleansing-gaza
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that Israel's response will "change the Middle East". Gallant said that Gaza "will never go back to what it was". A former Israeli general said that Israel "must create an unprecedented humanitarian disaster in Gaza", adding that the "ultimate tool" was damage to the water system.
This is apocalyptic talk. Israel's right to self-defence does not extend to the wiping out of entire neighbourhoods, medieval siege, random slaughter of children, or damaging water supplies. Yet western leaders are going along with all of this."

Except for a few including Ireland

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-uk-leaders-paving-way-ethnic-cleansing-gaza

In a heartrending tweet on Wednesday, Palestinian playwright Samah Sabawi noted: "I told my family in #Gaza to get out when I heard reports the US is coordinating a plan to offer safe passage for civilians out of Gaza into Egypt. My aunty said 'Do you guarantee we would be allowed to return?' I couldn't. I know ethnic cleansing when I see it. She refuses to leave. Death or eternal refugeehood. What would you choose?"
I pray that I am wrong, but I fear western leaders are now establishing the political foundation that would leave us complicit in massacres, indiscriminate bombing, and ethnic cleansing. Meanwhile, inflammatory and reckless media reporting is establishing the emotional foundation. Never has the time for statesmanship been more needed.

[Rudi]

"Israel has a right to defend itself".
They didn't do much defending of itself when Hamas invaded!!
They're "defending" usually consists of firing missiles into apartment blocks and other offensive actions.

Thats pretty accurate.
 "Destruction not accuracy" in the words of the IDF. If Hamas is a "monster", past & present Israeli governments & defence forces created it.

[seafoid]

finkelstein on Israel's plan https://twitter.com/normfinkelstein/status/1711385526534623618

Finkelstein re Gaza  https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1711305933349966150

[tiempo]

Ethnic cleaning is the inevitable conclusion of giving political cover to sectarian conflict.

Looking on I can't help but think how lucky we were to get out of our own conflict and into the 21st century finally at peace and a path to self determination. The ethnic cleansing of Ireland over a number of centuries at times would have been equivalent to what is going on now in Palestine.

While we laugh at the loser mentality and dogshit politics, truth is Sammy, Bryson, Jeffrey and their like would love a situation equivalent to whats going on now in Palestine with taigs in the crosshair and nowhere to run. Their forefathers had a chance and only for a very delicately balanced counterinsurgency and a fuckton of good luck did we escape relatively intact.

One of the greatest days in Irish history was when Thatcher didn't die in Brighton as that would have certainly resulted in an amphibious landing within the 6 counties and incredibly harsh reprisals.

One day one of these f**king uber zealots will push the big red button and it'll be over for all of us very quickly, Netanyahu is a serious candidate to do something even more cuntish than he is now and throw a tactical nuke in the mix, he wants his name up in lights for this shit, this is the conclusion of his political lifes work and he has no issue breaking new ground late on

[seafoid]

https://philipstephens.substack.com/p/israel-will-not-find-security-in

[Jell 0 Biafra]

https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-stands-with-israel-because-it-seems-like-yo-1850922505

Outstanding.

[J70]

Peter Beinart on the current situation.  As always, a very thoughtful and honest piece.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/peter-beinart-israel-palestine-conflict.htmlhttps://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/peter-beinart-israel-palestine-conflict.html

My advice would be to try to make sure that you are accessing sources of information that focus on the humanity of both sides. Try to expose yourself to things that will force you to reckon with the humanity and suffering on both sides. Don't choose. And also try to find voices, both of Palestinians and Israeli Jews, who you feel have a message of common humanity. There are people. There are actually a lot of them. And they're extraordinary. It's just that they are often really disempowered at a moment like this. But I think it's at this moment that their voices are the most important.

Good article.

[Eamonnca1]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

Israel is an offshoot of western culture. It's basically an American colony in the Middle East and is far and away the biggest recipient of American aid. People in the western world have an interest in it in a way that they don't for other conflicts that they don't feel any connection to. Do you really care if Nagorno Karabakh belongs to Armenia or Azerbaijan?

[dec]

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-school-to-be-contacted-by-department-of-education-over-pro-palestine-rally/a401939145.html

The Department of Education has said it will be contacting a Belfast school for "further information" after videos and photographs were shared online of pupils holding a rally in support of Palestinians in Gaza.

Colaiste Feirste, which is the only Irish language speaking secondary school based in Belfast took to the social media website X (formerly Twitter) on Wednesday to share images of pupils holding Palestinian flags with caption 'Tacaionn maid leis an Phalaistin' which roughly translates to 'We Support Palestine'.

The photographs were accompanied by a video of an apparent pupil who gave a speech entirely in Irish where the school reiterated its support for those living in Gaza.

In a statement to this newspaper, a spokesperson for the Department of Education said: "This issue has been drawn to the attention of the Department. We will be contacting the school to obtain further information on the matter."

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The social media posts were later deleted and are no longer available on the school's social media channel but was later replaced with a screenshot from a video of the pupil who gave the speech with a caption translated from Irish stating: "Some students organised a demonstration for the rights and justice of Palestine yesterday, showing the great humanitarian heart they have and their commitment to the people around the world."

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[Milltown Row2]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

Israel is an offshoot of western culture. It's basically an American colony in the Middle East and is far and away the biggest recipient of American aid. People in the western world have an interest in it in a way that they don't for other conflicts that they don't feel any connection to. Do you really care if Nagorno Karabakh belongs to Armenia or Azerbaijan?

I see one life lost in conflict no different to another. I don't see a hierarchy in these wars, you'd struggle to not get emotional watching the stuff going on in Syria. Especially the doc on the team of rescuers, harrowing

[Eamonnca1]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

Israel is an offshoot of western culture. It's basically an American colony in the Middle East and is far and away the biggest recipient of American aid. People in the western world have an interest in it in a way that they don't for other conflicts that they don't feel any connection to. Do you really care if Nagorno Karabakh belongs to Armenia or Azerbaijan?

I see one life lost in conflict no different to another. I don't see a hierarchy in these wars, you'd struggle to not get emotional watching the stuff going on in Syria. Especially the doc on the team of rescuers, harrowing

Right. But how much coverage are you going to see of conflicts like Syria or Yemen? It's hard to get emotional about humanitarian disasters if they're kept hidden from you. I was glancing at some news coverage the other night and the Israeli casualties were shown up front, but the strikes on Palestinians were shown from the warplane's own camera or from a distance. This is typical of American coverage. UK outlets like Channel 4 do a somewhat better job of getting in closer to the Palestinian suffering, but it's very hard to do when the Israelis are so indiscriminate in their bombing.

[Milltown Row2]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

Israel is an offshoot of western culture. It's basically an American colony in the Middle East and is far and away the biggest recipient of American aid. People in the western world have an interest in it in a way that they don't for other conflicts that they don't feel any connection to. Do you really care if Nagorno Karabakh belongs to Armenia or Azerbaijan?

I see one life lost in conflict no different to another. I don't see a hierarchy in these wars, you'd struggle to not get emotional watching the stuff going on in Syria. Especially the doc on the team of rescuers, harrowing

Right. But how much coverage are you going to see of conflicts like Syria or Yemen? It's hard to get emotional about humanitarian disasters if they're kept hidden from you. I was glancing at some news coverage the other night and the Israeli casualties were shown up front, but the strikes on Palestinians were shown from the warplane's own camera or from a distance. This is typical of American coverage. UK outlets like Channel 4 do a somewhat better job of getting in closer to the Palestinian suffering, but it's very hard to do when the Israelis are so indiscriminate in their bombing.

Punch in war in Syria to google and you'll find everything on it from all sides. What these people and those in Gaza go through is no different..

Said before, people hear (and see) what they want to

[Eamonnca1]

But you have to go out of your way to find out what's going on in Syria. You have to go out of your way to avoid the news in Palestine. That's the difference.

[Milltown Row2]

But you have to go out of your way to find out what's going on in Syria. You have to go out of your way to avoid the news in Palestine. That's the difference.

To be fair what news I get is generally on way to work and on way home...

If you are influenced by the main networks or only concerned with what's happening in one of hundreds of current wars then that's all you'll see.

Last Men in Aleppo... watch this if you haven't already

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Are we more vocal/aware about the other war campaigns in other countries as we are for the Palestine cause?

No

So why is the 'connection' so great? Somalia has lost hundreds of thousands of people in a civil war, displaced double that in refuges ..

People probably couldn't give a stuff about them it seems

Israel is an offshoot of western culture. It's basically an American colony in the Middle East and is far and away the biggest recipient of American aid. People in the western world have an interest in it in a way that they don't for other conflicts that they don't feel any connection to. Do you really care if Nagorno Karabakh belongs to Armenia or Azerbaijan?

I see one life lost in conflict no different to another. I don't see a hierarchy in these wars, you'd struggle to not get emotional watching the stuff going on in Syria. Especially the doc on the team of rescuers, harrowing

Right. But how much coverage are you going to see of conflicts like Syria or Yemen? It's hard to get emotional about humanitarian disasters if they're kept hidden from you. I was glancing at some news coverage the other night and the Israeli casualties were shown up front, but the strikes on Palestinians were shown from the warplane's own camera or from a distance. This is typical of American coverage. UK outlets like Channel 4 do a somewhat better job of getting in closer to the Palestinian suffering, but it's very hard to do when the Israelis are so indiscriminate in their bombing.

Punch in war in Syria to google and you'll find everything on it from all sides. What these people and those in Gaza go through is no different..

Said before, people hear (and see) what they want to

Every conflict is different but also every conflict should be avoided.

i find Syria is way more complex then Palestine, there are more groups, aliances etc.

Can I ask why you continually try to move move the topic off Palestine to the taliban, Syria etc.