Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[PadraicHenryPearse]

We're only hearing about this because there's loads of Jews in the USA, UK that are wealthy and they vote.

wealthy jews control the media/governments/banks etc. is an anti semitic trope.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

more ambulances have been targeted by Israel. incriminate bombing of densely populated Gaza continues, silence from the EU/int community, not even the courtesy call for restraint.

[burdizzo]

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this below post is in reference to trailers post. not frankos


it's not the first post like that, so ignorance is not an excuse.

Explain.

Read back through the posts, you used anti semitic tropes in a previous post and were called out on it. Jews are not collectively responsible for Israel, holding Jews responsible for Israeli crimes is anti semitic. There are Jews who support Israel and Jews who don't.

I dunno, why would you care so much? Padraig Pearse wouldn't have?! Israel is a Jewish state, so it's fair - albeit deliberately provocative - to say "the Jews" did this, that, or the other. It is strange, however, as someone here implied: the ones in Israel appear to be far more together and into their sense of themselves, as opposed to the ones outside Israel who are far more the 'anti-fa' types. In fact, I know one of them personally - on one hand he has anti-fa t-shirts and attitudes, and on the other hand he goes around in faux bullet-ridden t-shirts w/ the slogan "Mossad - it was no accident!"! And he hates Palestinians!

[trailer]

We're only hearing about this because there's loads of Jews in the USA, UK that are wealthy and they vote.

wealthy jews control the media/governments/banks etc. is an anti semitic trope.

That's what you took from that?
There are lots of wars taking place at the moment, each with unfathomable massacres on a daily basis. Even when Israel launches attacks on Palestine we don't hear about them.
Israel has a huge diaspora in Europe and the US and that is why this is news, not because they set the agenda.

I have seen much coverage of the Syrian conflict, or Myanmar. Not many of those people living in the UK or US I suppose.

People need to look beyond what BBC and ITV are showing us.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

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this below post is in reference to trailers post. not frankos


it's not the first post like that, so ignorance is not an excuse.

Explain.

Read back through the posts, you used anti semitic tropes in a previous post and were called out on it. Jews are not collectively responsible for Israel, holding Jews responsible for Israeli crimes is anti semitic. There are Jews who support Israel and Jews who don't.

I dunno, why would you care so much? Padraig Pearse wouldn't have?! Israel is a Jewish state, so it's fair - albeit deliberately provocative - to say "the Jews" did this, that, or the other. It is strange, however, as someone here implied: the ones in Israel appear to be far more together and into their sense of themselves, as opposed to the ones outside Israel who are far more the 'anti-fa' types. In fact, I know one of them personally - on one hand he has anti-fa t-shirts and attitudes, and on the other hand he goes around in faux bullet-ridden t-shirts w/ the slogan "Mossad - it was no accident!"! And he hates Palestinians!

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I suppose anti semitic tropes and similar comments haven't ever led to anything too bad!!! racism is racism and should be called out. Anti semitism accusations are/can also be used to distract from legitimate criticism of Israel



I've no idea what the second half of you post is about, and don't care

[PadraicHenryPearse]

We're only hearing about this because there's loads of Jews in the USA, UK that are wealthy and they vote.

wealthy jews control the media/governments/banks etc. is an anti semitic trope.

That's what you took from that?
There are lots of wars taking place at the moment, each with unfathomable massacres on a daily basis. Even when Israel launches attacks on Palestine we don't hear about them.
Israel has a huge diaspora in Europe and the US and that is why this is news, not because they set the agenda.

I have seen much coverage of the Syrian conflict, or Myanmar. Not many of those people living in the UK or US I suppose.

People need to look beyond what BBC and ITV are showing us.

We're only hearing about this because there's loads of Jews in the USA, UK that are wealthy and they vote.

wealthy jews control the media/governments/banks etc. is an anti semitic trope.

That's what you took from that?
There are lots of wars taking place at the moment, each with unfathomable massacres on a daily basis. Even when Israel launches attacks on Palestine we don't hear about them.
Israel has a huge diaspora in Europe and the US and that is why this is news, not because they set the agenda.

I have seen much coverage of the Syrian conflict, or Myanmar. Not many of those people living in the UK or US I suppose.

People need to look beyond what BBC and ITV are showing us.

it's what you said. You could have said people who support Israel, or the Israeli lobby is very powerful.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

"We are Fighting with Human Animals and we will act accordingly"

[burdizzo]

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this below post is in reference to trailers post. not frankos


it's not the first post like that, so ignorance is not an excuse.

Explain.

Read back through the posts, you used anti semitic tropes in a previous post and were called out on it. Jews are not collectively responsible for Israel, holding Jews responsible for Israeli crimes is anti semitic. There are Jews who support Israel and Jews who don't.

I dunno, why would you care so much? Padraig Pearse wouldn't have?! Israel is a Jewish state, so it's fair - albeit deliberately provocative - to say "the Jews" did this, that, or the other. It is strange, however, as someone here implied: the ones in Israel appear to be far more together and into their sense of themselves, as opposed to the ones outside Israel who are far more the 'anti-fa' types. In fact, I know one of them personally - on one hand he has anti-fa t-shirts and attitudes, and on the other hand he goes around in faux bullet-ridden t-shirts w/ the slogan "Mossad - it was no accident!"! And he hates Palestinians!

.
I suppose anti semitic tropes and similar comments haven't ever led to anything too bad!!! racism is racism and should be called out. Anti semitism accusations are/can also be used to distract from legitimate criticism of Israel



I've no idea what the second half of you post is about, and don't care

My goodness. Let's be more plain - Jews in Europe and US promote cultural diffusion and the breakdown of traditional societal models, whereas in Israel itself, the complete reverse is the case. And one I know sees no contradiction in this!

[seafoid]

Anyone trying to justify this needs to take a good look at themselves

Take each atrocity be it from the Israeli's or Hamas and deal with that, the "ah but" argument is not going to work.

Israel needs to be accountable for their actions over the last 75 years or more, no one is saying what they have done over that period is fine, but butchering kids at a music festival and kidnapping 100 more will never make Hamas legit, political suicide. it beggars belief that in their head they thought that this would work out. I really fear for the 2.5 million people living in Gaza

There will be a door by door street by street take down once the troops go in, and it won't be nice and they actually won't give a stuff what anyone says when they take their revenge.

I'd be interested in what real options are open to Hamas.

1- There is zero interest from Israel and her allies in any negotiation and settlement.
2- Isreal's plan is to obliterate Palestine, get rid of their people and steal their land.
3- Israel has one of the best armed armies in the world with the best of the best technology. Palestine has relative sticks and stones
4- The "international community" don't give a f**k

So bearing the above in mind, it seems like peaceful protest, writing strongly worded letters and even pinpoint targeting of Israeli army targets are pretty much nonsense ideas.

What should they do?

This is what I keep coming back to.  And nobody will answer this.

You're a Palestinian father and a 35T digger with truck loads of soldiers armed to the teeth for protection is rolling up to your house to demolish it, leave you and your family homeless (minimum) and give it to someone else.

And nobody gives a fcuk, because you've watched it happen to all around you for years.

And someone like MR2 is typing bullshit on his laptop from his climate controlled living room telling you you should be calm and act rationally.

WTF...

Someone in Gaza is probably thinking about what Antrim hurling should do.

Hamas went and got help from the Iranians. That wasn't a bad idea. At the end of the day nobody actually  cares about dead Israelis. The news will move on. How many people remember the Titan submersible? That was 3 months ago.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

the news moves on, that doesn't mean people don't care.

burdizzo, still no clue what you are on about and still don't care.

Can I asked what sources posters are using to keep informed of the current 'escalation' and is it the same sources they already/previously used?

[trailer]

Anyone trying to justify this needs to take a good look at themselves

Take each atrocity be it from the Israeli's or Hamas and deal with that, the "ah but" argument is not going to work.

Israel needs to be accountable for their actions over the last 75 years or more, no one is saying what they have done over that period is fine, but butchering kids at a music festival and kidnapping 100 more will never make Hamas legit, political suicide. it beggars belief that in their head they thought that this would work out. I really fear for the 2.5 million people living in Gaza

There will be a door by door street by street take down once the troops go in, and it won't be nice and they actually won't give a stuff what anyone says when they take their revenge.

I'd be interested in what real options are open to Hamas.

1- There is zero interest from Israel and her allies in any negotiation and settlement.
2- Isreal's plan is to obliterate Palestine, get rid of their people and steal their land.
3- Israel has one of the best armed armies in the world with the best of the best technology. Palestine has relative sticks and stones
4- The "international community" don't give a f**k

So bearing the above in mind, it seems like peaceful protest, writing strongly worded letters and even pinpoint targeting of Israeli army targets are pretty much nonsense ideas.

What should they do?

This is what I keep coming back to.  And nobody will answer this.

You're a Palestinian father and a 35T digger with truck loads of soldiers armed to the teeth for protection is rolling up to your house to demolish it, leave you and your family homeless (minimum) and give it to someone else.

And nobody gives a fcuk, because you've watched it happen to all around you for years.

And someone like MR2 is typing bullshit on his laptop from his climate controlled living room telling you you should be calm and act rationally.

WTF...

Someone in Gaza is probably thinking about what Antrim hurling should do.

Hamas went and got help from the Iranians. That wasn't a bad idea. At the end of the day nobody actually  cares about dead Israelis. The news will move on. How many people remember the Titan submersible? That was 3 months ago.

To be fair I didn't care about the Titan submersible at the time, never mind 3 months on.

[general_lee]

Reports on Twitter of IDF now attacking Lebanon.

[Milltown Row2]

Reports on Twitter of IDF now attacking Lebanon.

Defo seen last nights news that they had already attacked the Lebanon, though that was the BBC not twitter

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The reporting true to form is referring to Israeli indiscriminate bombing as 'retalition' and people dying in Gaza and being killed in Israel.

Ursela van der leyen/EU still standing with Israel.

[seafoid]

The reporting true to form is referring to Israeli indiscriminate bombing as 'retalition' and people dying in Gaza and being killed in Israel.

Ursela van der leyen/EU still standing with Israel.

UvdL is German. The most rabid Israel supporters in the EU are the Germans and the Dutch.
The Zionists have them by the balls. 75% of Dutch Jews were murdered during WW2 with a little help from the locals. The figure is much higher than for France or Belgium.
Anne Frank is a sanitised version of what happened
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/nazioccupation/apeldoornsebos.html

And Germany ran the Holocaust. So you will never get either condemning Israel.

The problem with this is that Israel never adjusts its behaviour  because it never listens to anyone and there is never any accountability.It just lashes out in rage . A lot of Israelis believe that the Messiah made Israel possible and that the country is on a mission from God.   Some day  a bigger, more powerful enemy who doesn't give a f**k about human rights either will roll up and that will be the end of Israel.


https://nationalinterest.org/commentary/brzezinski-the-syria-crisis-8636

But in the long run, a hostile region like that cannot be policed, even by a nuclear-armed Israel. It will simply do to Israel what some of the wars have done to us on a smaller scale. Attrite it, tire it, fatigue it, demoralize it, cause emigration of the best and the first, and then some sort of cataclysm at the end which cannot be predicted at this stage because we don't know who will have what by when. And after all, Iran is next door. It might have some nuclear capability. Suppose the Israelis knock it off. What about Pakistan and others? The notion that one can control a region from a very strong and motivated country, but of only six million people, is simply a wild dream.